The Sevan Podcast - #211 - Live Call in Show

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

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We're live. We're live. We're live. bam we're live i wonder if i should close my texts on my computer that are coming in so that i don't look at them okay closed oh shit i don't have my cell phone with me today that's weird the call-in uh oh no no i have the call-in one i usually have my other cell phone here just so i can like look stuff up or like if i if you start talking too much i can start going on my instagram do you feel naked without it

not yet good morning guys we're supposed to have Nicodemus Rodriguez on this morning. He switched to Sunday, which is pretty awesome that we're going to have him on. And it's even more awesome that he called. Those bars behind me, I'll tell you, I'm in this room. I need to shift my desk around. I'm in my office, which is detached from my my main house and it's a really cool room and i have so much just fancy fancy stuff in here that i don't use anymore because i'm not i'm a dad instead of a filmmaker but i put those bars on there and like some screen that like on the door that like stops bullets and all that shit because i don't know when i moved

here i was like hey i gotta protect all this the truth is, is I live out in the middle of fucking nowhere and no one would ever come out here. And, and anyway, it's just silly. Uh, it's going to be interesting trying to get through this show today. There's my brain has just been partying all morning. I've been up for an hour. I got up at 6 a.m. And I'm just like, man, where should I start the show today? Where should I start the show today? It is a live call-in show. It's just myself and Sousa this morning.

Feel free to call in. Wow. Wow. Is that a record? I don't know. It's pretty fast. Wait. Good morning, Mars. Oh, yeah. Wow. That's cool.

That is cool. That might be cooler than Colton Merton's. Holy cow. Hey, what's up? Oh, shit. I don't have him on. What's up, Mars? It's your first day. My first day? My first day of what? Oh, am i on now yeah but i but i'm tripping on this i just saw graham holmberg posted so i'm just like savoring it just i'm not really paying attention to you just like that's correct you know i'm used to that i'm just like

it's like it's like it's like it's like some girl told me she had the first time i'm just savoring it knowing i'm gonna fuck it up the first time. I'm just savoring it, knowing I'm going to fuck it up. What? Sorry, Marge. I'm just like any other guest you have on. You're not paying attention to me. Yeah, mostly. Oh, and that brings me to my first point. This is called the Sebon Podcast.

And it's so funny how I mean this with just all the peace and love from my heart. But it's so amazing how utterly stupid some of you are and the presuppositions you make you say stuff like just let um their sevan goes interrupting the guest again if the guest is talking it's because they're interrupting me this is the sevan podcast you guys they're here as an accoutrement. They're like Daniel Brandon of the CrossFit Games. They're just a really nice garnish,

but it has no fucking chance of winning. That's what my guests are. Sorry, Mars. I got distracted. Did she hurt your feelings? No, no. That's a compliment. That's a compliment to light a fire under her ass. I got distracted. Did she hurt your feelings? No, no, that's a compliment. That's a compliment to light a fire under her ass. I love her.

I throw the garnish away. So I think that, that would, that would hurt quite a bit. Oh, well I put the parsley in my mouth and just play with it. They're different kinds of, that's what I mean. I think differently. This is the Sevan podcast. What? You can contact those oral fixations on podcast that sounds great how can i help you another sad story for you stevan okay i uh you're still a virgin oh man wow that'd be a surprise i have two kids so uh i uh i lost my job uh again and uh yeah believe it or not i uh i was working as a

balloon animal maker guy and uh i take the really really hot oleico barbells and i turn them into balloon animals and i i lost my job man i don't i don't know where I could find a job for a guy that turned barbells into balloon animals. It's just, I don't know where to turn. It's blowing my mind. Looking at one of the ads in the newspaper, nothing for a barbell guy that turned barbells into balloon animals.

Nothing. I look on Craigslist. Excuse me, Sivan. You're interrupting the guest again. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. All right, so I go on Craigslist. Excuse me, Siobhan. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. So I go on Craigslist and there's

nothing on the personals. There's a lot of stuff on the personals. Not for a barbell balloon guy. I just don't know where to turn. Siobhan, now's the perfect time for you to interject. First, before anything, Mars, I want to make sure sure is your mental health okay do you

maybe you don't need a job maybe you need to take a month off maybe you need to take a month off don't don't worry about your family and your kids and the people who rely on you maybe you should just make a post on your instagram and talk about how depressed you are because you can't find a job and just how hard your life is right now and just let your family just fucking blow in the wind for the last for the next couple years and you don't worry about it maybe have you thought about that option just post on your social media about your tough mental condition have you thought maybe maybe if i can't do anything i i should start a podcast that's another another thing. Or buy a company.

Buy a company. Maybe you're depressed. You want to buy a big, big company that 100,000 people rely on to make a living, to put food on their table, and then see if that helps fix your mental illness. Maybe you should do that. I'll only do that if I can fire the entire media team. Oh, you're fucking good. God damn, you're good. Sorry, sorry. I retract that last statement. I mean, gosh darn it, you're fucking good. God damn, you're good. Sorry, sorry.

I retract that last statement. I mean, gosh darn it, you're good. That's right. My kids are listening. You better watch your fucking mouth. It's not that. I don't want to alienate my Christian brethren. I'm trying to do my duty. I care about other people's feelings as long as it doesn't stop other people from feeding their kids.

I really do. I really, really, really, really do. Why are you living in California? I don't know. I'm just saying it's getting to a point where you might want to move. So here, I think I see an attack. I see the word Matt and Josh and then relevant. Is that someone making fun of me?

First, Seven tries to hold on to Matt and Joshua to stay relevant, then goes hopping to stay relevant now that he's been re-levantished again? Well, yeah. What the fuck, Alan? It's way too early to be be drinking i don't know what the fuck you're saying i like to take the opinions of people that can't spell and take them to heart i'm sorry say that again what did you say about i like i like to take the opinions of the people that can't spell or speak and take it to heart yes Yes. You called me a dog. No, I called you a God. Oh, my bad. Well, Mars, thank you. In all, in all honesty, I really want to say, I, I didn't mean to make light of the fact you lost your job.

And I do want to suggest that for free, you can go to barbelljobs.com and, and look for a new job. I did not mean to like take your your disadvantaged position and make a little skit out of it and then plug my sponsor that it's kind of dickish but it just it works out nicely you know what i'm never calling you again how dare you all right peace and love fuck he hung up on us oh no look at sorry gotta go mexican guy's calling oh i hung up on a mexican guy a her a melanated guy i'm fucking gonna get canceled the guy's last name was hernandez hernandez sorry hernandez shit i was trying to do some oh there he is there he is dude this guy's a

french first name this guy's a french first name and a Mexican last name. This we're getting some major equity. Hello. Hello. Hello. Can you hear me? Uh, I'm, I'm kind of, I'm looking at barbelljobs.com and trying to talk to you at the same time, but I'm doing my best. Um, I have a question. Yes, Mr. Hernandez. Thanks for calling the show we're getting our Latinx quota up for the month there you go

I'm sorry it's early in the morning but you guys already touched on this so I want to dive into it you are friends with Greg that's my understanding I want to know I think a lot of people in the community want to know how I think a lot of people in the community want to know,

um, how was the dynamic inside HQ in terms of, um, being aggressive to girls in terms of, like, I don't know what happened, but like abuse me, this females.

Um, what do you, what do you mean abusing? What do you mean abusing? Tell me what's, what's abusing females look like. I want to hear this. Um, what do you, what do you mean abusing? What do you mean abusing? Tell me what's, what's, what's abusing females look like. I want to hear this.

Um, I don't know. That's what I'm asking. Like whenever he left, there was a bunch of stories of like, for example, like the wifi password being something weird. Like,

I don't know what it was. It was, it was, you mean wet pussy? Uh huh. Stuff like that. So like, so this is my, this is my understanding. And I think the understanding of the community is, like, from him, like, this is what I've heard online.

Like, he used to, like, grab girls' butts or something like that or rub them or, like, grab their shoulders, stuff like that. And no one said anything, never, because they were, like, scared of him. What's your what what's what happened there and then something like that happened why you didn't do anything why they didn't do anything it's always been in the back of my mind like why these guys are admired so much like they never stood up for the girls if if that's if that story is correct that's what i've read online. Right, right. So I worked at CrossFitting for 15 years.

I would say over 10 of those years, I spent almost every waking moment with Greg. I lived with Greg for three years at his home in San Diego, California. When I mean I lived with him, meaning I slept in a bedroom that was, you know, I don't know, in the same house as him. And my wife lived there, and I raised my son there, Avi, for the first year. I will tell you this. A hundred to one, I saw women be more – not according to my rules of what's appropriate and not appropriate because you're probably asking the wrong person but according to the rules of like say like maybe what you're alluding to or what um what other people think is right not right over a hundred times to one i saw women be far more inappropriate with greg than he was with them now do i think greg thought it was inappropriate no there were employees and and

fans we would be just we would be somewhere we'd be in a meeting or something and an employee, female employee would walk in and she would walk straight to him where he's sitting in his chair and rub her hand across his back, rub his hand across her chest. When we would go out in public, the women would just hug him and grab him and hold him. And men would do that too. But I would see people put their hands on his leg under the table.

I saw stuff like that. In those years, I never saw Greg slap anyone's butt. Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. The most inappropriate thing I ever saw Greg do was sometimes I'd be taking a piss and he'd want to talk. Let's say I was outside somewhere. Let's say we were driving across country and we pulled over and we're taking a piss. And I was outside peeing on a tree. He would come stand right next to me because he fucking had something to say did you know that insulin blah blah blah blah blah and start talking to me about

fucking insulin and mitochondria where i got my dick in my hand and i just need a fucking few seconds to pee but this motherfucker's got so much on his fucking mind that he's got to come pee right next to me and tell me about fucking insulin and then i fucking look at his dick and i'm like jesus i'll go from his dick to his eyeballs to his dick to his eyeballs and i'm like i can't help it i'm one of those guys like if there's a dick out next to me i look at it it's fucked up and it's just normal just normal it's like a it's maybe it's a little bigger than normal but i have a huge dick so they all look small to me. But I never, ever – we partied a lot. But I was – I can – it's so preposterous.

It's as preposterous as to say that Floyd-19 was fucking racist or insensitive. That just – it shows the fucking massive ignorance on people's perspective. The massive incident. Floyd 19 was a reference to the fact that the college that had put out covid guidelines, the institution that had put out covid covid guidelines was so bad. And now they were chiming in on how the United States should handle its racial racial disparity shit, whatever presuppositions they made, was now chiming in on that. And he was saying you fucked up Floyd, and now you're going to fuck up COVID-19. If you can't see that, that's a whole other show, and we could talk about it. But the cure should never cause more damage than the disease.

And right now the cure is is 10 billion to one, no matter how you slice it. And if you're, I wanna tell you this, and I've been fighting with some doctors, friends of mine, if you've participated in the cure at all, you are fucking complicit. If you were pro-mask, but you're anti-vaccine

or you're pro-vaccine and anti-mask, anywhere you jump into this now, you are complicit. It doesn't matter if you were just the train driver that drove the jews to fucking auschwitz you are fucking complicit anyway so going back to what you're saying i never saw anything i never saw anything that was even 10 of the way fucking people behaved in high school or in college and on top of that this is his fucking company the so so if you want to come to his house you know and and get there and and get drunk and get in the hot tub and and and whatever like he i know he's never forcing anyone and by the way here's another thing that people

don't know about greg greg's always the first one to sleep at night he's not the guy like greg goes to bed like at nine and he's up at three in the morning. He's not the guy hanging out at the fucking party until fucking midnight one in the morning trying to fucking bottom feet off of drunk bitches. That ain't his thing. He doesn't do that. When you say

we used to party. Party like a motherfucker. We partied hard. I'm very ignorant Party like a motherfucker. We partied hard. I'm very ignorant, but like how – Coors Light. Coors Light. Coors Light. And then all of a sudden he ran into some doctor, and the doctor told him that – he ran into a scientist guy.

And unfortunately, the guy got murdered. What? What was this guy's name? Ran into him at a Starbucks. We're talking to him and him and Greg got into this two hour conversation about nucleic acid and its relationship to diabetes and yeast. And right then and at that point, we were drinking a shit ton of beer every night. And Greg would say it was mostly just me and Greg. When I say party, like we were almost always alone or maybe a couple other executives.

And that's your party. It's just like you guys drinking beer yeah yeah yeah at the house he didn't want to go out either he needs to be by his computer and by his phone and and by a whiteboard he really likes a whiteboard and and so then from that day on greg goes hey i'm never gonna drink another beer again and i'm thinking to myself you're you're out of your fucking mind dude you as i've known you for 10 years and you drink 10 fucking Coors Light a day. And he stopped. He never drank another beer again. He switched to Tito's.

It was fucking nuts. Because of that conversation. Yeah, and I think I lost 10 pounds. I stopped drinking Coors Light too. And so it's just complete horseshit. Did you see the article in the New York Times, Andre? No, I searched that way from – Yeah, search New York Times, Greg Glassman, and there's a –

Oh. Oh, someone said in the comments, Sevan always brings it back to him. No, if the show's not about me, that means it's going in the wrong fucking direction. It's not that I'm bringing it back to me that should upset you. Anyway. Yes, thank you, sir. It's not that I'm bringing it back to me that should upset you. Anyway.

Yes. Thank you, sir. So there's a paragraph in there that's – it's just a classic example of things taken completely out of context. I'll tell you what. There's – I'll tell you a story I haven't told you before. There were these – say it again. There's two. You're saying the one that says, roughly, owner fostered sexist company culture yeah that's right

and what's even more insane about that is there's there was never a place where the women were more equal that outside of there was never a place where women were more equal it was fucking insane i'm telling you i could be doing overhead squats in the gym at h HQ with 95 pounds and some girl from across the gym with 135 would yell at me. You're a bitch. That's it. It was OK. Relative to her, I was being a bitch. It was the there was an environment there of young people who were really, really fucking personally accountable, responsible, aggressive and and hyper fixated on, um, on CrossFit. But there wasn't a, and,

and you have to understand another thing. When they say Greg set the culture in the office, he was never in the office. Those people you heard bitching, they set the culture in the office. There were so few executives in the office. I was, I'm trying to think besides the IT guy, I'm thinking maybe I was the second most executive who was in the office. was i'm trying to think besides the it guy i'm thinking maybe i was the second most executive who was in the office and it was not it was those other guys who were fucking complaining those whiny fucking bitches who have tall men syndrome because they were never picked on in kids as kids and now they're oversensitive those are the fucking guys who set the culture in the office it was nuts it's it's everything you read in there everything you read in there is just

horseshit and and if you don't believe me what you can do is you can look at the art the the paragraph in there that they wrote about me and then go back and listen to the stacy tovar podcast now don't get me wrong i'm it's not lost on me that that that i am not appropriate i'm i'm an outside dog i get it i burp at the dinner table. I say fat instead of obese. I worked hard, though, to be like this. I worked hard to fucking build my integrity and trade in my kindness for it. Kindness is nothing. the man was surrounded by people working out in their bra and panties he was richer than fucking god and he was he fucking handled it like it like it better than anyone i could imagine elmer fudd rants about his bff i have to question more about about greg i don't know if you want to answer them but um oh yeah sure yeah you're he's i assume you're his friend um can you give an update? So like for me, that guy, he was my hero.

But like where is he at? He got $100 million and then where is he? What is he doing? He got much more than, much, much more than $100 million. Wasn't the deal $100 million? No, sir. million and um wasn't the deal 100 million no sir and and and since then i think uh whatever he had is probably doubled and uh he is doing very very very well i'm actually going out to see him um in the first week of december i'm going to spend a week our families are going to spend a week

together and can you and just so you know so anyone's like well of course he's defending him he's his best friend dude you can go back in my podcast and i've talked some horrendous shit about greg too yeah like i'm telling you like like you think it's fun i would love to compare notes with sammy you think it's fun living with matt fraser i'd love to compare notes with uh froning's wife you think it's fun like these are fucking like these people are uh eccentric beyond eccentric success doesn't come with just like uh they're not they're not eccentric for the sake of being eccentric but the crossfit games champ wants to get up at fucking midnight and fucking have a steak and then

go out and run fucking uh a marathon that's what he's fucking doing he's not gonna cuddle in fucking bed with you and rub your back and it's like that with greg let me tell you like if you want if you wanted to run with someone who is a hundred percent devoted to health and fitness and here's the thing also let me tell you if you compare his leadership to the current leadership the affiliates are fucked. The community is fucked. So bad. And actually, I was going to talk about that a little bit today. It is so bad.

Ask yourself why Eric Rosa bought the company. Ask yourself how much he owns of this company. Can you answer that? Because I don't know. You know? Yeah, I do know. I do know. Well, I don't know why he bought it, but I know how much percentage he owns. But what's the percentage?

I'm not telling you. Can I find that online? Let's just say other people can make decisions that go above him. This company does not care. We just – and it's so sad. We just saw this man send out an email that conflates his mental health with the mental health of the entire country, with the mental health of one of the employee's husbands who was a fucking war hero who killed himself. We just saw him, and then we saw people in the community who were like, oh my god, such a good job, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Hey, man, a ton of us have had mental health issues fuck i was homeless for two years another five years i lived in a fucking car it's fucking hard when i was 16 i didn't leave the house for two weeks because i was afraid i was gonna die this is this is part this is this is the cat this is the butter this is the caterpillar

coming out of the cocoon and being a butterfly. That is not a time to be at the helm. You're worried about a guy who some fucking shit rag newspaper says rubbed a girl's butt inappropriately? Fucking you have a guy at the helm of a company that has 15,000 small mom and pop businesses that probably employ three people each. That's 45,000 people. Let's say another 45,000 people in the ecosystem that's a hundred thousand fucking jobs you have fucking 90 000 jobs in the ecosystem and that's being very conservative that are reliant on a leader that's fucking mentally broken what the fuck what the fuck step the fuck down that's my that's what

i that's what i say to you and your mental health issues are a totally different thing. That's a complete fucking conflation of trying to get emotional appeal from the crew. are falling for it saying it brings great attention what do let me tell you what mental illness is mental illness is owning an affiliate the last two years and not having crossfit hq stand up for you and defend you to the u.s government that was trying to shut your ass down to the fucking german government that was trying to shut your ass down that you know you have the you you have to put food on your table you have to pay your rent you have to pay your lease you're already all in i bet you i bet you 80 of crossfit gym owners are all in what do i mean by that like they are fucking the paycheck the paycheck and they're like chasing their dream and and and this guy's now taking a one month rest and writing this it's

just it's not you know of course no one wants to talk about it because then like you're attacked it's just what it's just woke shit it's just like you don't want to talk about the real issue you don't want to be like hey that guy's really shitty at his job because he's black and you're scared fuck that you don't want to talk about that this is so fucked up so fucked up because you can't attack someone who has mental health issues fuck you this is a fucking this is just another thing and even if i'm wrong it doesn't matter he needs to get the fuck out of the way there's people's lives at stake this guy has fucking probably 100 200 million

dollars from his sale to oracle and by the way i want to say this too in in in true sympathy to mr rosa when i had fucking mental health issues, and by the way, if you haven't had them, you will have them. It's part of your evolution of consciousness. If this guy, it's really hard if you're rich. When you're poor, it's easy as fuck, especially if you don't have anyone who relies on you. I was just fucking 20 years old. I had no one to rely on me. I'm poor. I just ended up being homeless. It was awesome. I just got to deal with my own shit. And there's a huge component of narcissism to mental illness.

Don't think there's not. Oh, that's so mean, Savon. I didn't make the rules. I didn't make the rules. That's God's fault. I'm pretty sure Graham Holmberg loves God. Talk to him. Graham, call in. Tell us why God's doing this to us.

Do you think like a big difference between Glassman and Rosa? It's the way Glassman was leading had nothing to do with money. The thing is this. When I was fired, Eric wrote me a really nice text message and said, thanks for your contribution over all these years to the games. That just shows he has no idea what is what is going on when, when he, when Eric, Greg created CrossFit, Greg created all the literature, all the journal articles in the beginning, everything it's his vision.

He was, he never did it. Like, so when I was a little kid, I sold lemonade, not because I wanted to make great lemonade, but because I wanted to make some money so that I could buy something out of the best catalog. Greg made CrossFit. We'd have to ask him why Greg made Greg made fucking CrossFit and designed it because he at the time he didn't he didn't have a car. He rode his bike to work. He had clients at a gold gym and he was genuinely interested in what would make people better. I'm guessing he didn't he didn't have a car he rode his bike to work he had clients at a gold's gym and he was genuinely interested in what would make people better i'm guessing he wasn't married at the time too so he was interested in girls i think that's what a lot of male trainer i think that's what just a lot of young men are interested in but he was at the gym and he's just training guys

and training guys and finding out what works and what doesn't work and what works and he himself was a was a uh super high level gymnast and athlete. And so I think he was just tinkering with it. And then I think he's really, really smart. I know he is. And he comes from a pedigree from his mom and dad of hard workers who believe in science, the scientific method. And so he started writing this stuff down and it just started growing. And then what really happened is he was in Santa Cruz, still didn't own a car, still rode his bike to work, but he had this really wealthy client who said, hey, you need to put this shit online because I'm going to be traveling the world for the next six months. And when Greg put it online as a blog, it just shot off. He had no – his wife made him – Lauren made him put the computer in the garage.

She didn't believe in having computers in the house. And so he would go out there every night and just write the workout. It was before there were even pictures on the internet for those of you who are too young to know that because it fucked up the download speed. And so there would just be these scribblings, and that's – and then basically it grew and grew and grew, and he stayed hyper-focused on making the fittest people in the world. Just like the people think the CrossFit games are something that it's not the CrossFit games. I'm sure the marathon has something similar in its history. The marathon was probably like who can run away from the lion,

the fastest, the CrossFit games were just a place to celebrate this methodology and figure out who, who through its use, who became the fittest. And, and Eric has none of that when eric came on board he didn't even know what gpp was general physical preparedness that's okay that he didn't know

that but when he bought something and he has no idea what he bought when i spoke to eric in my first like i guess i would say job interview i said hey what did you think of the L one? And he said, I don't really remember. I go, when did you take it? He said a handful of years ago. I go, you don't really remember it. He goes, yeah. I'm like, you weren't blown away by it. He goes, no, not really. And, and I'm like, wow. Like he re and then when he said to me, thanks for your contribution to the games on the left, he doesn't know when he talked about in a lecture he gave to all the staff. One time he talked about the, the CrossFit, and he never mentioned the training staff. Oh, don't get me started on the training staff.

The training staff, there was 179 L1 trainers. One of the things that makes CrossFit so special – and Greg loved the trainers. He talked incessantly about Nicole's team and Dave's team, the trainers. They hold what Greg calls the L1 kernel. He knew that if everyone died on the planet and one trainer lived, that the methodology would continue. It would continue. Ryan says, Sevan is genuinely upset. And to be honest, it's kind of hot.

I'll take what I can get. Thank you, it's kind of hot. I'll take what I can get. Thank you, Ryan. I love you. I have a last question. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Can I finish one more thing?

Thank you. He – if you don't love the trainers, if they're not at the forefront of – they are this business. And Rosa doesn't know that either. He doesn't – when he talked about the three pillars of CrossFit, he mentioned like the games, the this and the that and never mentioned the trainers. The trainers are everything. Those people on Nicole's team are everything. And to not know that and treat the company like that is – it's nuts. It's nuts it's nuts what's more important to take care of your upholstery in your car or the engine and the tires and they have it all backwards he thinks they think the board thinks that they fucking bought the harley davidson they did not they bought the hell's angels they need to

be run completely different there's no motorcycle manufacturing. This precision healthcare thing, this is nuts. There's no leadership from Rosa. There's no leadership coming out of HQ. And why is that? Because there's no one with a vision anymore. Well, maybe there's a vision, but the vision doesn't fit. The vision doesn't fit the vehicle that they're driving. You can't have a vision to ride a boat across a lake when you're

sitting in a car. They're in the wrong vehicle. They're confused about what they bought. Now, not all of them. I guarantee you the trainers know there's a ton of people. I don't know if anyone's being honest with Rosa or the board, but there's a ton of people I'm sure who do know. I had Nicole's fucking got to know. I mean, that, that fucking chick is that's, that's like, I don't understand. she should be fucking president united states uh dave fucking knows 100 all the staff know who've been there all the trainers know they fucked up too i could say some bad shit about them but but i'm on a high note about them those fucking idiots turned on greg anyway the stuff that greg did your, the stuff that Greg did, your wife, the stuff that Greg did to the community,

you're fucking, your wife does things a million and your kids doing things a million times worse to every day than what he did to the community. I understand why people are upset at Greg. We were all hiding in a house and he coughed and the zombies then came to the house and started eating us. I know it sucked. He threw a fucking rock at the home of the zombies, and they came after CrossFit, and all the businesses had their feelings hurt. I get it. I totally get it.

It's not that what he said was insensitive. It's not what he said is racist. It's not what he said is sexist. It just sucks that you fucking own CrossFit blah, blah, blah, and Greg turned the zombies on your gym. That sucks. I agree. I'll give you that.

That's it. That comment he made floyd 19 was like fucking making noise and the zombies heard us and came and started eating some of us sucks sucks sorry i agree i'll figure it out bro thank you and last one i'm trying to think i want to tell you i want to i'm trying to figure out if i slept with any of the employees when I was at CrossFit Inc. I don't think I did. Just my wife. I mean, I was sleeping with her before she became an employee.

I don't – just the sex thing is just so nuts. Do you know that we – Greg lived in Portland, and we never – I've never been to a strip club with Greg. Do you know, like, I had these ideations, these fucking psychotic ideations that one day this guy with all this money would fucking take me. And I've only been to one other strip club. I went in Mexico once, two times. I went once in San Francisco for a birthday party. I left like in five minutes. It's fucking, I did not enjoy it.

I started, I wanted to cry actually because what the girls were doing was making me sad in the way the dudes were treating them. I guess I wasn't emotionally mature enough to handle it. And then I went once in Mexico, but I always thought, Oh my God, what if Greg and I could, I could go, Greg's so rich. What if we went to a strip club in Portland? And like, he did that thing. Like my Mayweather does where he throws $20,000 bills in the air, right? I always thought maybe that could happen, but I never even went to a strip club with this guy and I did everything with them. I cannot like there's like, I'm telling you, I peed on a thousand trees with this guy since Dick did everything with them i cannot like there's i did like i'm telling you i peed on a thousand trees with this guy since dick too many times brother thank you for taking my call

yeah thanks for fucking being a dick and trying to fucking call me out on my own show i love you okay bye nice okay bye nice you know the interesting thing is about that uh him talking about like the culture is i think it's really shocking and you you brought it up i'm glad you said it is when he said greg was never even in the office yeah he wasn't in the office and i think dave actually said that on a podcast a while back and i think i forget which one he was on but anyhow he had said he was like what do you mean the culture he goes you were the culture you guys blame me blame ben ellis or the, the IT guy. He was like, where was Greg?

Greg was remote. He goes, I wasn't even in the office that much. He goes, what do you mean culture? Which I think a lot of people don't know that. Fuck, the show's over. I'm fucking tired. Was that it? Did you just?

Kate Gordon says that sometimes you should have sex and not ejaculate. I think I just had sex, but I didn't ejaculate. I'm exhausted. That sounds frustrating. It's just weird. Oh, shut up if you don't get that metaphor. I don't give a fuck. I started off so good.

You don't know how fucking like my hat got tight when i saw graham holmberg commented like literally like my head started swelling did you see this other one no yes big fan of the content hopefully we can connect soon dude i gotta have that guy what what what at suze's fault you haven't been invited. Jamal, what's up, brother? Oh, Devon, I think you'll be proud of me. I'm not in bed this time when I call you. Okay.

Oh, my goodness. Why do you guys always call in pairs? That's good. That's good. What are your hands doing? What are your hands doing right now? They're gripping the steering wheel fairly, though. All right. All right. doing what are your hands doing right now they're uh gripping the steering wheel barely though all right we i just left the gym and we did uh death by cows on our salt bike oh shit uh so explain that to me a little bit so the way we did it this time was you have one minute per round

so if the round is like the round of 12 you have to hit 12 calories within that minute and then you get a 30 second rest afterwards to go ahead and reset your bike and stuff a little bit different than how other death buys go um how how many calories so literally the first minute you do one calorie the second minute two calories third minute three calories or do you start just like at 10 calories or five no you start at start at one work your, shit. And how far did you make it? I got 17 plus 13. Oh, that's awesome.

16 plus 13. So in the 17th minute, you got 13 calories. No, no, no. I finished the round of 16. So I hit the 16-minute mark. I was in in the round of 17 i only ended up getting 13 calories i'm gonna try that it's fun i've done that with burpees before i used to do that a lot actually with burpees just to get them like sneak up on me i think the most i ever got was 17 and then i never revisited that again i didn't like that feeling too much oh yeah i definitely had the bandy legs coming off

i there was this other workout we used to do at hq a lot too well for some most of the people there it was a warm-up but not for me for me it was a workout i think it was like it was horrible it was 10 calories on the assault bike, 10 burpees for 20 minutes on the minute. Okay. On the minute. So, like, you just went back and forth, back and forth. It was something like that. But somehow it got worse as you went on.

I can't remember. I mean, it just sounds horrible to think about. But, you know, that's just me. I don't get 12 calories a round. How about you eat a dick not you not you jamal my friend oh thank you colin oh okay but yeah that's all i wanted to call and say all right cool go ahead and have fun with that later okay also yes uh i recorded a video of my demo I'll have to send it to you later. Is it a stand-up routine or music or what?

Say it again? Is it a demo of music or a stand-up routine or pole dancing? Or what is it? Is it video, audio? What is it? Oh, it's of the gym. Oh, of your gym. I thought you said you recorded your demo.

Like you were going to send me a two-minute stand-up routine you did an audition tape yeah some shit like that you were gonna or you were gonna road climb dancing yes yes yes i mean i guess that's what a crossfitter would do at a strip club uh yes oh wad zombie i want to talk about that get out of jail free card for a minute okay thank you jamal all right bye uh so that is a very very very interesting thing get out of jail free card so what if if if i i i know that he is being – and I would like someone to explain this to me, but I guess I get it. People are celebrating him because he's drawing attention to mental illness, and he – when you do that, it allows other people to feel comfortable talking about mental illness i guess that's the that's the positive and and people people are saying that that's good leadership that's where it gets conflated that

maybe it's good leadership but it's not good leadership of crossfit hq it's it's not good leadership of something if i owned an affiliate i wouldn't think it was good leadership well i think this is an important point too because there's two different there's two different ways people take this conversation right they see it as is and then they celebrate the fact that um he's willing to come out and talk about it which you and i think both is is a good thing you need to get yourself help you need to get yourself right but then there's the second point and let me say even more important than get yourself help you have to help yourself i'm going to tell you there is no way out without doing the work yeah and i think or you can start drinking you could start drinking but but it's kind of

it just delays the work that's a short-term strategy and um so what i think is that he a lot of the people that are uh celebrating the fact that he came out to destigmatize kind of the mental health issue is good. And it is good that he's talking. Yeah, I'm not even buying that, though. I don't even know. Maybe I live in a shell, but like destigmatized. Like what's the stigma? No, totally. But then you shouldn't be running a company that you shouldn't be running a company that one hundred thousand people. Well, sorry, that's not a stigma. That's a truth. You should not be running a company when people's livelihood and people's kids – sorry, Sousa.

God, I feel bad interrupting you. I'm going to stop. Why'd you stop? You shouldn't run a company. I don't know what the stigma is. People think you're weak. People think something's wrong with you. People, okay, well, so what? Then that's just part what the stigma is. Like people think you're weak. People think something's wrong with you. People, okay, well, so what?

Like, then that's just part of the mental illness. Get over that. Like, there's nothing we can do about what other people think. But, but to conflate that with what good leadership is there, there's, this is like, maybe that's good social leadership. Like when I go to the skate park and pick up trash, that's the first thing I do. By the way, I've been doing that now for two years and the only person who's ever

said thank you to me is a 12 year old boy none of the parents have ever said thank you to me it's fucking amazing not that I care I don't want to thank you but but it's kind of like I remember there was that the filmmaker girl Mariah Moore who

who's married to tyson oldroyd well i'd give bonus i gave bonuses out one time at hq and she wrote me a thank you letter and it made every like i didn't need a thank you letter but when she wrote me the thank you letter it made it all of a sudden made me think that everyone who didn't write the thank you letter was an asshole do you know what I mean? Like if she would have said nothing, I would have expected nothing. But she set the bar too high. She set the bar.

Okay, sorry. I'll do you one better. There was a grandmother that actually kept track of all the thank you cards that were sent versus gift. And that's how you got kept in the good graces. Oh, really? Wow. So don't underestimate how impactful those could be. But the point that I was getting, which you touched on, which is that there's two separate

conversations and people are doing what you're saying, which is conflating the two. Number one, is it good that he's helping himself? Is it good that he's at least explaining what's going on and is comfortable coming out with it? Yes. No one's disagreeing with that. but now we need to have the secondary conversation with the secondary conversation is now what because you can't have somebody leading like as you said a hundred thousand people and employees or lives that are being affected when you consider the affiliates the employees the vendors the ecosystem of crossfit. Now what, though? Because in that conversation, we had…

I don't want to take it there, but he… I'll go here. I'll go here. This is gentle without bringing me into it, my personal issues. issues why did he buy this company and whatever whatever reason whatever reason he bought it for it's it's it's it's uh it's it's it's it's just crazy uh that i don't think he bought it so that he could come out and send the staff and in the world a letter about his his fucking depression yeah no i mean this could be possibly as a cure for his depression and as wad zombie said to get out of jail free card now all of a sudden let's say you're on the board let's go here fuck it i'm going here let's say you're on the board who can't you fire you can't fire the gay dude you can't fire the black dude and you can't fire the dude who just said he has mental illness and depression maybe maybe this is his way of putting a shield around himself so the woke crowd will protect him i don't know

that's all speculation my friends all speculation but and i don't believe any of that by the way and by the way i'd fire someone who is gay black or mentally depressed or whatever tall and handsome and white especially you fuckers here's the thing though most of that stuff is you can fire seven and yeah you could fire me too they didn't fire me my position was eliminated my job position was eliminated there was no need for me i don't know what that means boom penny drops it's bam we're live not boom the penny stop drops dude did you did you that new show were you gonna say something to suza oh i was just gonna say that a lot of the symbolism in theater that is propped up for the appeasing of the crowd or the audience. Once the the boardroom sits down to have a discussion and that door is shut, I guarantee you all that goes out the window because the only thing that they're caring about is a return on their investment. And that's all that they're focused on.

So they'll do little things like this to kind of appease the crowd or to soften it as far as a PR stunt goes. But at the end of the day, when that board sits down there, they're saying, is this guy fit to make us a return on our investment? And to them, I guarantee you that's the only thing that matters.

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19 plus and physically located in Ontario. Gambling problem? Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connects Ontario.ca. Please play responsibly. I very well said the, the last time that I had mental illness was I was at a, I was at, it was actually at a CrossFit executive's house and his wife had made lemon lemon like lemon brownies that had marijuana in them you know i don't fuck with marijuana i don't smoke that shit i don't eat that shit i don't

fuck with that stuff i mean i used to smoke it like from the minute i woke up till the minute i went to bed i haven't done that in 30 30 years And I knew that there was marijuana in there. And as the night went on and the night went on, I was getting hungrier and hungrier. And I was like, fuck it. I kept looking at him. And right before we left, I'm like, fuck it. I'm just eating one of these. How bad can it be? Dude.

Say my last words. Dude. Dude. I was fucking crazy. It was the worst 12 hours of my fucking life. I wanted to run from my fucking thoughts. It was the worst 12 hours of my fucking life. I wanted to run from my fucking thoughts. It was so loud in there. It was like being in a taxi cab with music I hated full blast.

It sucked. It sucked. Hey, caller, how are you? 203. Hey, am I on the line? You are. Cool. Wow. I love Crossfit and i love ufc so ultimately i'm chasing your podcast daily holy shit yep what's your name jody and and oh are you the one who writes nasty comments about me

On YouTube like Sevan shut up No Is your last name Lynn No Jody Lynn Is it Jody Lynn Yeah Jody Lynn yeah Oh yeah you write nasty comments about me I'm not that nasty come on

You always tell me to shut the fuck up I know exactly who you are In your profile picture you're all professional You're in like a grey suit and shit All fancy Exactly who you are. And you, in your profile picture, you're all professional. You're in like a gray suit and shit. All fancy. Exactly. I hate it.

I'm selling cabinets here in Connecticut. I hate it when pretty girls put me down. It's like the double fucking. I'm mostly complimentary. Come on. I'm like, Oh my God. No wonder. Uh,

well, thank you. I can't believe you're calling. Great to, great to hear from you. You are mostly, you are mostly complimentary. You are mostly complimentary. No, that's not true. You're fitty-fitty. You're the kid who stands like the other two kids are on the teeter-totter and you stand in the middle and try to control it from the middle with your feet. I'll tell you when you can go up. Yeah, I've been addicted to your podcast from the old days. Well, that's cool. Do you have kids, Jody? I had one quick question.

Yes. I'm very rare that I love the UFC and spend Saturday nights watching them. So I'm wondering if your wife watches with you. Boy, it's a really sensitive subject for me. I've never actually really talked to her about this. it's a, it's a really sensitive subject for me. I've never actually really talked to her about this,

but she, she will come. She, she actually, what's interesting is she will come and watch when the women fight, which kind of surprises me. I don't see that as like as much from my wife, like having interest in like male or female, but when the women fight,

she'll definitely come over and sit down. And when the main event, but do you know what she does the whole time? We have people over and my wife like caters to them the whole time like she wants to make sure that the people at our house are having fun well that's appropriate i mean i know but i wish you participate i know i wish you wouldn't i wish you would just come sit down like i like part of me just feels bad for the whole time well i'm the opposite i don't want to entertain anybody i just want to watch the fight yeah if you come over to my house and watch the fights, I sit on this chair. It's like always my chair. And I'm either looking at the fights or looking at my phone or looking at you like in disbelief. Did we really just see that? And then that's it. Like, I don't try to happen.

sure all the seating's right like if there's a chair that's not facing the tv i'll get up and move it for my guest but other than that like i just like hey if you want to drink something go to the fridge we have sparkling water and if not shut the fuck up and watch the fight yeah in my group i'm just like the opposite of every other woman there i'm like just let me watch the fight please did you fight yourself no yeah i just think it's a beautiful expression of the body just in full strength. And the dudes, it is really fun seeing all their bodies. I mean, that they have the commitment, the discipline, and the schedule to put out that power through their bodies. It's excellent. I even like the Ben Rothwell body, like when he fought that other dude, the dude from Brazil,

I called him black yesterday, but I guess he's not black. Do you know which fight I'm talking about? It was on the, uh, it was the fight right before the Holloway fight last weekend. Yeah. I even like their bodies. I'm like, man, I love watching these bodies move around. It's so crazy. Even Gypsy King is just huge. Yes. Yes. But he can move. Yes. I love his body. He's so great.

Oh, my goodness. And I'm a huge fan of Deontay Wilder now, too. I didn't like him, but after that last fight, I fell in love with him. Oh, my goodness. The fighters are nuts. Well, I'm falling in love with all these fighters you have on, so I really appreciate that. Okay, cool. On Sunday, I'm having Nick Rodriguez on.

I think that's going to be really cool. If you don't know who that is, there's a 40-minute documentary about him that I highly recommend seeing. Yeah, and the 18th is a big fight, too. Who's fighting on the 18th? A bunch of people are fighting, but we're having a party that night, so you're invited. Oh, thank you. Cross country. Awesome.

I don't know how you watch that all afternoon, though. Well, I wake up pretty early, and I just take the kids and run them ragged on Saturday. So they have tennis in the morning, and then I take them to the— We're up until 1 watching that stuff. Oh, yeah. We're not up that late. Yeah. Oh, so you listen i have to go and i have to go and work but you are definitely causing a lot of unproductivity in my life okay

don't fill any shitty shitty cabinets like i have one house that has really nice cabinets and i have one house that has really shitty cabinets so good good stuff to people, man. Cabinets that go sideways suck. I have cabinets for every budget. You just tell me what you want to spend. You get what you need. All right. I just want one that opens up nicely with good action, that doesn't get stuck, that doesn't come off the tracks.

Don't sell me the newest fucking innovation that fucking doesn't slam. I need something that works. Well, I have a lot of working cabinets, so. All right. You can get me offline on that one. I can get you off anytime. All right. You have a good day. Bye.

Bye-bye. My cabinet. I have this fucking brand-new Home Depot fucking kitchen cabinet monstrosity at this house I live in now. And I mean brand new. I bought a flip and it's four years old now. The drawers suck. I like those ones that don't slam. Yeah, but I just had to go there.

I know if they work, they're cool. Hey, I've had the privilege of being in some pretty cool houses. And I know you probably have too as well and i always thought the key to the luxury was just being able to just swing it and walk away knowing it was gonna shut same with the toilet seat you just hit it and walk away and you know it's coming down oh that's interesting my my dad changed all the toilet seats in my house to those ones that go down slowly i just fucking hate them you don't even have to hold on so it doesn't slam you just hit it and walk away oh i'm at hot mama yoga of course you are get the stretch in colin get the stretch in uh okay so i don't i don't want to beat a dead horse

i um you know what i'm interested in i would rather i would rather have my hand chopped off than be stuck with a brain that doesn't work right i work in a home for mentally disabled adults for five years i i lived there i've seen mental disability i've had my own fucking you know challenges of going very but knock on wood it's been fucking 20 some odd years um but uh and anyone who's ever done acid or mushrooms or marijuana or even drink too much alcohol and you're like why did i do this to myself it really is very close to that but it just doesn't go away um you know we when i worked at hq we did fucking dozens of

pieces on mental health and showed transformational stories of people who had mental health issues and pulled out but but but don't be fucking duped people by by don't let that don't let the issues conflate this this this uh it and it and it takes years to recover from something like that and rebuild don't don't conflate the issues of mental illness with being a good leader that that drives a boat through through narrow waterways it's a fucking this is idiocy this is just more woke idiocy this is because you can't separate your intellect from your feelings. And you have to. If you're on a plane and the pilot, the co-pilot comes on and says, sorry, you haven't heard from us because we're having issues.

The pilot actually has mental illness issues. And you're in that airplane. What's your very first thought? You're not thinking, yes, I'm so proud this person is seeking help. You're thinking, holy shit, I hope we could land this plane. Then we'll worry about it, the person is seeking help. Holy shit, I hope we could land this plane. Then we'll worry about it the person is seeking help, right? The people who fall for that are the same

idiots who fell for Katrin Doder and all these athletes who said, I'm out when Greg did what he did. Dude, they're not in the plane. They own the... What's up, Mars? You know what I hate?

Talk to me. I want to know what you love well i'll tell you what i hate and i'll tell you what i love all right i hate when the pilot comes on and he tells me that his mental illness is he has a fetish for crashing planes into hills hey and you know what that guy needs to do? He needs to look for a new trabajo. He needs a new trabajo. No, no. Just give him a private plane.

It's fine. He needs to go to barbelljobs.com and get a new job. He can use Wiz Khalifa's private pilot. That's fine. You guys didn't know I knew Spanish. Wiz Khalifa. Man, you don't like Wiz Khalifa's private pilot. That's fine. You guys didn't know I knew Spanish. Wiz Khalifa. Man, you don't like Wiz Khalifa? You want him to crash?

What's up? No, I don't know. There was something about his pilot for having drama the other day, I guess. I don't know. Internet drama. I got a few questions for you. If you don't mind me derailing you. And I told you I was never going to call you again, but that's a lie.

I think you have a split personality, so was never going to call you again, but that's, that's laugh. I think you have a split personality. So I'm going to give you a pass. Well, if I do, it's from looking for your podcast. So, uh, uh, get some questions about Greg from listening to the caller earlier. Yes. I know you wanted to bring this back up. So here I am. Uh, when you said Greg Greg did you mean Joe Biden I'm hearing a lot about sniffing people and rubbing shoulders

sorry I was looking at my biceps that's fine say that again what about Joe Biden no I was just curious if you worked for Joe Biden I didn't realize Joe Biden was in charge of CrossFit you hear about the sniffing sniffing hair and rubbing shoulders so i was just curious no i think that you were you just got

confused no no no no no i didn't did not work for joe biden or did i ever see greg glassman sniffing anyone's hair um and and if i did see him rubbing shoulders i'll tell you what greg has really strong hands i can greg's rub my shoulders a few times, you know, where he comes up behind you and puts his hands on your shoulders. And I actually, I really like human touch. One of the things about CrossFit is there was a lot of hugging, and I really enjoyed that. And it was funny because there were people who didn't like it, like Adrian Bosman and Dave didn't like it. But then that just, and I'm guilty. I would hug them extra hard just to fuck with them.

So I think, I think Dave's the kind of guy you need to get into a corner and hug as hard as you can. There was this, the, the, the, the, the HR lady at HQ was the most inappropriate hugger, which the irony was just crazy. Another question. When you were peeing. And what's inappropriate hugging? Does anyone know? If anyone wants to write that in the comments, I'll tell you what inappropriate hugging is. I want to see some guesses.

What did you say? Sorry, Marsh. Well, I was curious that when you were peeing next to Greg and he started talking to you about insulin and diabetes, did it make peeing a little hard? Like, did I feel movement down there? Yeah. Did that kind of get your engine roaring? No, I think just right away, as soon as I think that someone can

see... I'm still... I'm like a four-year-old. As soon as I think someone can see my penis, I panic. Like... Okay. You know what I mean? Like, I just panic. Yeah, I just kind of thought the diabetes talk might get you. Maybe I'm wrong. I got you tagged wrong, but that's okay. No, sorry. I just need to listen to another 200 episodes to get you figured out.

Well, I'm really open. So you would think that just, I can see how you would think that I'm very, I'm very open-minded. So I can see how you. Yeah. You tried me as the kind of guy where I tell you that your zipper's down. You said, I know. All right, man. I man whatever I use that hips touch I never saw a hips touch oh yeah hips touch yes that's it that's exactly it like if you push your

shit up against like you know there's girls like usually it seems like they have big boobs and you hug them and they do the thing where like you guys make a teepee when you hug. Like they won't hug you. It's like whatever. Okay. I don't care. You do you. But the hips touching is weird. Like I hip hub like my wife. Yeah.

And that's it. I haven't put no one else's on that list. I don't. I just I don't. I mean maybe my mom and my dad. Maybe my mom and my dad. Maybe my mom and my dad, but I just really just squeeze the shit out of them because I know I love it when my kids squeeze the shit out of me. Yeah, hips touch. Yeah, that chick – that HR lady would just – it was crazy.

It was crazy. I got another question. Yes. What's your problem with Dan Bailey? Buddy, I can't go there. I love Dan. He's a great dude. I don't know about that.

I've told the story before. I'll leave it. I hate vagaries because then it lets other people fill in the blanks. And I know a lot of people do that. Did he send you a bag of decaf? Yeah, that would be – I wish i could say something like that the thing is this uh i i felt very uh close to him i did a lot of shit for him i even put my job on the line for him and that's that's all like he doesn't owe me anything for that he doesn't like that's that's all by my own choice so i have this built i had this built – I had this built-up idea of who he was in my head.

And when the boat got rocked, when the whole thing went down with Floyd 19 and the new company coming in and Eric Rose buying the company, he did shit to me. He didn't have my back. He turned on me. He basically was saying shit like, hey, you should fire Sevan. This is a guy who fucking lived in my house with my fucking kid for two months this is a guy who fucking when he moved out left fucking bullet casings and bullets under his bed this is a guy that like i i let the company do danny broflex and blow him the fuck up and i sent heber mars to visit him and film shit about

him all on the fucking reg we fucking loved on him so fucking hard and his fucking payback to me is to say yeah someone should get fired that's what i heard and i heard it from multiple very solid good great sources fuck that guy that is well i'm glad but the thing is like i don't want to talk shit about someone and then you'd be like um in the big picture he didn't do anything to me. Right. Like, like I really enjoyed hanging out with him. He was fun.

He was nice. We made a lot of good videos together. I just, I, it hurt. I had an image of him as someone who wouldn't have, like, if someone asked, Hey, should someone still work at HQ and be like, Oh my God. Yes. Yes. He's fucking weird.

Yes. He says some things inappropriate, but his fucking love for making for people as a whole and for making the world a better place and spreading the message is second to none. And and like like I would be OK with that because that's the that's the bullshit image I have of myself. It would not. Yeah, you got to get rid of this motherfucker. And there's a bunch of people who did that. And I get it. I read the book Mouse, the Pulitzer Prize winning book Mouse. I know what happens when they come after the Jewss they all fucking start turning on each other and i can imagine what it's like being in a swimming pool and 80 people are drowning you don't give a fuck who's underneath you you're trying to climb to the top but it's still but it's still hard but why you read the

book mouse all the price of mouth all right so um i uh and by the way it's it's a graphic novel novel it's a comic book oh i know what you're talking about it's like it's like uh yeah it's a cartoonized uh book about mice at the if you have not read that book

you have to read that book not you mars you don't have to do anything you demand okay that's good i'm have to read that book not you mars you don't have to do anything you demand okay that's good i'm glad to hear that uh okay well yeah that's all i really should so i've just like i it's not him it's it's that he didn't live up to the image i had of him yeah in my head do you know what i mean it's like my wife always exceeds my wife always exceeds my expectations of her dan bailey fell well short but they're my expectations so what am i gonna i guess that i guess that and i have no i have no and it's not my place to say um what what's up

with him and him and josh no that's. It's probably about the coffee company, but who knows? Was Dan the one Josh does like from the Good Dudes coffee? Are you talking about me or are you reading comments? No, I'm just reading comments. Can you stop talking? Yeah, that's okay. All right. I got nothing else.

I told you I wasn't going to call again. I'll call you again. I'll call you again. Don't call me again, buddy. The answer you were looking for was docking for 100 points. That's what it's called when you hug someone, Johnny? Like hip to hip? Docking? Docking.

Literally the boat Dan lived on rocked. I don't. Okay. Yeah. So Greg told me never to do fucking Danny Broflex ever, ever, ever. That's not what this fucking company is about. He thought it was fucking stupid. He thought it dumbed down all of us.

And I still, I still went forward with it. I didn't obey. I didn't obey. I could have lost my job for it. Just like a docking on urban dictionary. and it wasn't what I was expecting. Oh, what is it? What is it? I think it might be funny if I just, I'll bring it up and you can read it out loud so you will share it in real time here. Man, the numbers of the show on iTunes and Spotify is blowing me away.

What made me think of that is why it's important to reach it because not everyone's watching. Docking, a very intimate and intense sexual act performed by two uncircumcised men. I guess I could do it. Guy 1 pulls his foreskin back and holds it while Guy 2 stretches his open and outward as far as possible over the head and shaft of guy one's penis then guy one repeats the procedure as he's releasing all of his foreskin that he has holding back tightly pulling the opening out as far down as possible over guy two's penis wow it's like kissing penises it's like it's like it's like French kissing of penises. Was there more?

I wasn't done. Was there more? I mean, that's the gist of it there, right? Do you want me to bring it back up? I don't know. Horseskin is awesome, though. I'm sorry for anyone who had theirs chopped off. It's so cool.

It's another one of those subjects that you want to see a fucked up movie. Like two things I recommend you do you want you go to the pita website and watch their 25 minute 25 minute video on how meat is harvested it's fucking brutal if you can get through that in one sitting that movie i want to know if you can get through that without crying like i was crying so hard there was like snot pouring out of my nose and then the other thing is you should uh you just go to the pita website and they have like it's like their video of like why you should be vegan or whatever why you shouldn't hurt animals yeah yeah if you could find that i watched it like five or six or eight years ago and then it's brutal it's brutal and then the other thing is if you want to see something just absolutely nuts especially if you're going to have kids, you should watch the movie American Circumcision.

And man, man, oh man. I didn't get through anything today on my list. I don't know. I thought I stayed. Oh, you know who I've been texting with is Sarah Sigmund's daughter. I thought I stayed. Oh, you know who I've been texting with is Sarah Sigmund's daughter.

And, um, the last text she said is that she wanted to come on the show Sunday. Sunday is going to be crazy. Sunday is so busy Sunday. We already have two people scheduled. We have the new show and, um, and Nick Rodriguez.

Yeah. Uh, And Nick Rodriguez. Yeah. Yeah. When I was – oh, I talked about that already. I have a note here. Savon, stay calm. I was pretty calm today, right? As a 35-year-old man, I was circumcised last night on my dock. Oh, shit. Why were you circumcised at 35?

That's so interesting to me it's definitely it's definitely if you're going to get circumcised you want to do it when you're old i don't not know if this is true but i read this one time this is gonna fucking break some of you um so so you know you know that the body is basically just a bunch of the same shit over and over the way your lips work your nipples work and your penis work they all kind of work the same way they fill with blood that the cell makeup is the same there's these just different responses all over your body and it's the same thing repeated over and over or mechanisms and one of the things that's fascinating is um you know your fingers fingernails and in your fingertips are super duper sensitive and uh there's a there's a layer of skin that attaches it's like double-sided tape that keeps your fingernail attached to your finger well that same layer of skin

in a baby keeps the foreskin attached to the head of the penis. And when they circumcise the baby, it rips off that layer of double-sided tape that's on the head of the penis. Well, it's not supposed to take that off. What's supposed to happen is that membrane is supposed to attach to the head of the penis over time and detach from the foreskin and then live there for the life of the penis. And that's where like 80% of the nerve endings are. So if you're circumcised, it's like having that piece of tape that holds your fingernail to your finger together. Now, if that's true or not, I don't know. It's very hard finding stuff about this subject because no one wants to talk about it.

Like not doctors, not anyone. It's crazy. Do you already know when Sarah will will be on i don't she's told me like hey i want to come on but but it's going to be like a balancing act she doesn't want to come on on the days i'm talking about uh circumcision so it's like we're trying to figure out what day that's uh that's another reason why this is called the sebon podcast this is just me living out my dream of trying to be funny so there uh but she said sunday and then we moved nick rodriguez to sunday and then she's also in a country that has a significant i don't want to say where she's at in case she doesn't want anyone to know with that that has a significant time difference than where

i'm at and so i have two shows already scheduled for sunday and then i have a jiu-jitsu tournament i'm taking my kids to my kids fourth or fifth jiu-jitsu tournament and so then somewhere i need to come in and i need to ride the assault bike so it's just a busy day sunday so but but i mean i would dude i would do just about anything to have her on i want to build that relationship with her savon's dream is talking about penises and I am living my dream. Uh, why thank you, Melissa. Oh my goodness.

Okay. Um, a little note here. You know, when I, um, uh, I was going to talk about Mexicansicans whites and blacks and how the different different skin colors say my name um my mom bought a truck oh

my mom bought me a truck i was gonna tell that story rain boots for kids i see kids wearing rain good thank you i don't like any of my fallback subjects. Good morning, Nick. Good morning. Good morning. Is this the Matt Cesar show? This is the Matt Cesar show. Thank you for calling.

Okay, good, good. Let me make sure. This is Juan Zombie. Oh, hey, what's up? Okay good good Let me make sure Uh this is uh Wands on me Oh hey what's up Yeah I figured I should finally call in at some point you know Yeah yeah yeah I like it Instead of just hanging around in the chat a bit But uh

Have you figured out If you're moving out of state yet Uh no I haven't Hey um Tell me about your meme account what are you doing you're really really you your your memes are you found a they're not all over the place you found a pattern and you're sticking with it but i think you should go all over the place yeah i i try to go all over the place but you know i i'm more just anything

that i i see that kind of if it strikes something with me i'll do it so i don't know i'm not super creative but what are you talking about like well i don't know like you know some of these guys will post like 10 cat videos and and dogs and all sorts of kind of like cute shit and I don't know I just like I just kind of want to explore the the shit that no one wants to talk about when they're at the gym you know or at CrossFit or wherever they're at like you did a whole okay that's fair like you did i i feel like and maybe i'm totally wrong but in my mind when i think about your account i think about your account is is having basically always being like this it shows like daniel

brandon working out and then it says um how people act when they see daniel working out and then it's a movie clip and then you do that for nick your rank car and then you go back and you do that for sarah sigman's daughter and then you go back and you do that for rich froning and i'm like hmm this is like i think you can only do that one once once a month yeah i think you did your whole year's worth i think you did your whole year's worth in a month. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of did. I don't want to be a dick. Because I really like your talent.

No, that's totally fair. It's just, you know, I don't know. It's kind of weird. Like if I make something and I think it's funny, I can't wait. I don't know. I get like super impatient. And so like sometimes I'll post like six things in one day. just because like oh i made it and i like it so i just want it to be out there but you're a two-pump chump aren't you you're a two-pump chump aren't you yeah oh yeah i can

tell you just soon as something feels good and it feels right you're letting it go yeah i might i might be all out of flutes by Christmas my wife should have a talk with you make you feel bad fix that but no I mean you know and that was something that I stumbled upon by accident like I made one about you know Daniel

Brandon and then it kind of blew up so I was like oh you know let me see if there's any other way I could do this and that led to the rest of them. But, you know, I try to go all over as much as I can. But, you know, it's also kind of hard because, you know, a lot of these guys will, you know, people who have meme accounts already, you know, you got to look and make sure you're not coming up with something that someone else has already done too. I'd like to see you just make memes making fun of that other meme account the woke memes yeah i i try to take jabs every once in a while just because like i don't think people realize what they're getting with that you know

but i you know i mean because the stuff that I'm putting out there, it's not like, I mean, I know everyone else is thinking about it, you know, but like the other meme accounts, they just, I don't know, they put cats and dogs and SpongeBob and, and whatever. So I don't know. I just, I don't want to do that. That's not funny to me. Is SpongeBob gay? Yes. For sure. Like, I don't know. Why is the bad guy in Spongebob the one-eyed pickle? Why? Seriously, why?

That's not cool. The one-eyed pickle's a good guy. He's totally misunderstood. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, and, like, I mean, just even the fact that you would, like, say that is just the total opposite of the woke, you know, bullshit pages. And it's like, I've never listened to that guy's podcast, but I can't imagine I would like even a minute of it. My mom told me not to say anything if I have nothing nice to say. Well, yeah.

Yeah, I just can't imagine what kind of conversations they're having on that podcast and that they could be anything meaningful or thoughtful. I'm sure they're the highest moral and ethical integrity that would make every mom and dad proud of their kids. God bless America

and God bless Eric Rose's leadership for coming out and drawing attention to mental illness. Hang tight, affiliates. It's been two years, just lockdowns and fucked up shit. But you,

as soon as I'm better, I will get back to steering us to the Holy land. Thank you. I'm just telling you, I like, you know, just my opinion. Obviously I've never met either of them,

but I think last one's got a bigger dick than rosa does you will probably know a little more you could probably take a guess but man rose has got a yeah i mean rosa doesn't deserve a big dick he got a such a nice body man he has a fucking nice body oh yeah i was i don't even listen to him when he talks i just stare at his arms and i love his head and his neck i think he's a beautiful man he's a fucking he's such a good looking man he's got a great body obviously has an insane work ethic this fucking i someone should accuse him of being on steroids that's probably why i don't like him you know glassman was a little more relatable for me and then and then they're like oh, we got this new CEO for CrossFit.

And you're like, oh, God, this guy's fucking good looking. And everything. And he works out with his shirt off and shit. It's like, God. Yeah. I mean, gosh darn it. He really is a remarkable specimen. And he's no spring chicken.

Yeah, yeah. really is a remarkable specimen and he's no um he's no spring chicken yeah yeah but yeah so i'll just call in and leave it to that but okay well keep up the good work if anyone wants to send memes do you do people send you unsolicited memes and you're like hey can i post this and they're like yeah sure go ahead oh yeah get some, uh, not, not a whole ton, but like, I'll get some people that will send me some like truly fucked up shit. And I'm like, Oh, this is awesome.

Can I post it? Oh, good. And then, you know, and sometimes like all come up with something, but I can't like quite finish it. And I'll send it to guys like Taylor,

uh, Taylor self. And he'll be like, Oh, this is a good caption for that. And he'll like help me out with it I like it and I'll also send I'll do the

opposite like I'll find some I think might be kind of messed up or a little too overboard and I'll send it to people and be like hey is this too much and they'll be like yeah I don't post that send me those please DM me those okay thank you I'll send you one that i've been debating for

a while but please yeah i'll send you that please i'll give you my professional opinion i ran the media company at crossfit inc from when it was 300 affiliates to 15 000 affiliates i have no peer in the business okay thank you very much all right all right have a good one bye all right uh bore bore do you know that that's one of the words i don't let my kids use All right. Have a good one. Bye. Boring. Do you know that that's one of the words I don't let my kids use? Boring? Yeah. They're not allowed to, like, they could say eat a dick. I mean, I would tell them not to, but they wouldn't have to, like, do burpees for it. Or, like, if I heard one of them say, that guy's a bitch, like, I'd be like, please don't talk like that. But they're not allowed to say boring or disgusting. Interesting. Why?

I don't think they add value to the conversation. I mean, I just don't think they use – no, here's the thing. They don't use them appropriately. They don't use them appropriately. But that part of the show may have been boring. That may have been actually used appropriately but my kids will just say it like you know can i watch tv i'm like is it friday and they're like no and they're like boring and i'm like 20 burpees that's not even that doesn't even make sense yeah we couldn't say it because then you got you got put to work this is so close-minded oh my god

no more seven will oh my god no more seven will ever go back to crossfit hq meaning like you think i did something that made it so it fucked up my job application yeah because you put this part too oh my god no more hope seven i think you're totally wrong i think they're so open-minded over there and they see that my passion and my singular focus on making the world a better place that uh that that it can happen that oh please post those memes the accounts won't post uh okay uh one more that's really disappointing to hear so i'm sorry what what's disappointing did i have foreskin oh maybe that you won't go back to crossfit oh i mean guys guys it looks like oh i think that was totally coordinated. I think you guys have you guys seen it?

What have you guys seen what that letter wrote? It's like first he says I printed it out. I was going to read it to you guys. But basically the beginning he sends this letter to the entire CrossFit team. And then they and then I think Morning Chalk Up posted it. And then they reposted what Morning Chalk Up wrote. And OK, here it is. This is just nuts.

This is what just makes it realize that it's just a marketing ploy. It's just a – not to say that he's not wounded mentally, but this just shows you that the whole thing is a joke. As some of you – this is Dear Team. As some of you may have noticed, I haven't been around as much as usual over the past few weeks. I wanted to share the reason why i have been taking some time to seek treatment for depression and then he defends his position nearly 300 million people suffer from depression and covet has accelerated this global crisis first of all of course covet is covet has not accelerated this crisis the

response to covet has accelerated this crisis and you were part crisis, and you were part of that, dude. You were part of that. You helped that. You helped keep the shenanigans up. So don't fucking lie. That's just a fucking lie. There's nothing sincere there. The depression rates have tripled in the U.S. in suicides. Yeah.

And, you know, in suicides, 10th leading cause of death. It's always fucking been like that, dude. And do you know who's getting it? Kids. And do you know who's getting it kids and do you know why because of the fucking shit you supported from your fucking white ivory towers that um as the uh as the leader of crossfit hq you had a fuck you have the cure to chronic disease and mental disorders and all that shit and you let them shut you down for two years don't now like start playing this other side it's it's such a bitch move it's such a bitch move and it has to hold on and it's hit close

to home for too many of us including those now he's like bringing all of us in into his shit do you know what do you know when people talk like that like they say we all know what's going on what donald trump is doing over there and so now now it's like if you don't think like me you're an idiot so that's that that kind of talk like you either agree with me or you're an idiot including those in crossfit home office which really means hq you call it home office because you've pussified it because for some reason you think hq is who knows you think it represents military or masculinity? Anyway, including those in the CrossFit HQ following the death of Chad Payton earlier this year. Chad Payton was fucking in the military. He wasn't a fucking multi-multi-millionaire, maybe billionaire, depending on what you believe, of a guy who sold his company to Oracle and then bought CrossFit HQ on a fucking whim during whim during a fucking crisis like what are you doing comparing yourself to chad payton and i'd love to know if he asked

nicole payton if he could do that before he did because what is she supposed to say i really don't want to drag her into this but what is she supposed to say i'm going to too late oh yeah go ahead i work for crossfit hq and they asked me if you can reference my husband who died, who committed suicide. If she says no, does she lose her job? If she says yes, is it what she really wants to do? leadership of a company where fucking tens of thousands of mom and dads, small businesses depend on your leadership and you're conflating you being able to steer the boat with your leadership and social causes. This is fucking lunacy. People don't fall for this shit. While it is uncontrollable for me to be this trans,

while it's uncomfortable for me to be this transparent about my journey. Unnecessary. Unnecessary. It's uncomfortable for you? How do you think it feels? It's uncomfortable for you? How do you think it feels for the people who rely on your leadership? It's all relative, man.

The only reason my penis is big is because I'm 5'5". It would not look big on shack while it is uncomfortable for me to be in this transparent dude you're fucking this is this is nuts if you fall for this while it is uncomfortable for me to be this transparent about my journey i i don't care it's that's not the place to say this i've decided to discuss openly rather than avoid these tough conversations avoid avoid the you don't need to have tough conversations you need to start working on yourself dude so my expression experience can help destigmatize oh oh, now you're helping these – that's why you're doing this.

So that other people who are fucking – have mental issues can now come out. I get it. Then step down and foster healing. This is so twisted. This is so twisted. This is so twisted. And of course, no one wants to come out and say anything because you can't fire the gay guy. You can't fire the black guy. You can't fire the tranny.

You can't fire the person with mental illness because then the woke mob will come after you. But let me tell you something. I would be willing to bet big money that the majority of affiliates are like, wow. Like this is finding out when you're 14 years old that it's not been okay for your mom and dad to be beating you. Or it wasn't okay for your mom's boyfriend to be molesting you for the last five years. You're 14 years old and you just figured that out. And be molesting you for the last five years you're 14 years old and you just figured that out and the next two years until you're 16 you're looking for an exit strategy this is your your mom and dad have to be strong your mom and dad have to be strong they can be open they can talk to you about shit, but they got to be strong.

Anyway, I really don't want to go into bashing him because it – you're capable of anything when you're in a bad state of mind like that, but he has people around him. And maybe he's used. Maybe this isn't even a direct hit eric rosa i mean they replaced me with a fucking pr guy i was a fucking media guy and they replaced me with the pr guy a pr guy needs there to be problems or else his role is not needed he has to have problems pr guys do not thrive when there's success so maybe he's just gotten bad advice but it is just going further down the hole of the victim mindset and don't anyone say don't

do I have a collar on? do I have a collar on? I don't think so oh did you oh my god i'm so sorry bob yeah i answered and i i don't want to interrupt sorry yeah yeah yeah yeah i know you're a good dude i almost hung up on you i was like what is my phone doing on there someone calling sorry bob i'm sorry i i't, you know, someone said the other day, seven, I know you think the vaccines are fake and that just shows that like, you're just not listening. Like I, I 100% don't think the vaccines are fake. The vaccines are as real as

like, as, as my hand is. And I don't think that there's, I don't think that there's anything funny or pleasant about mental illness. And I'm not saying that to like, like I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with that shit. I'm not, and I'm not saying that so that you're like, I took to cover my ass. I'm saying that. So you won't conflate the two of what I'm saying between what leadership is, what the,

what the, what the world needs from fucking one of the last true healing organizations on the planet to, to versus this guy's own personal issues. Like we have to separate the two. This is nuts. And the fact that they're willing to conflate them is gross. It's hugely manipulative.

Sorry, go ahead, Bob. Okay. Then I'm done. I'm done with that. Well, no,

I like what you said, because I think it's kind of manipulative to make you seem stronger amidst your depression to like use your own issues to encourage other people in almost like a self-promoting way yes yes yes yeah and maybe maybe he wasn't going for that, but kind of what it seems like. I mean, let me read this to you, Bob. Will wrote this. I have to go. I have to go. I have to go. Will wrote this. I don't see how putting this out there in the public of a forum could possibly be helpful for Rosa himself. It would just make people around him cautious with what they say, which compounds the issue. Of course, the very well said, obviously different people – obviously different for people close to him in his life

because they will feel comfortable navigating that relationship without thinking they're overstepping. Yeah, I mean the whole thing is – it's already probably a prison working in corporate America. And this just puts up another bar. I'm taking my kids to the skate park right now to surf with Pro Skater Josh. It's only been 20 lessons, and I still don't know the guy's last name. Josh Pro Skater. Guy's YouTube station is exploding. When I met him, he had fewer subscribers than me.

Now he's got like 50,000. Bob, is there anything else you'd like to say? I want to go to Sunnyvale with my kids. Yeah, you go do that. I'll call in to get Colton Mertens back on sometime. I was like 45 minutes late to the show today. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

We'll do another one the next time a guest flakes on us, which is always once a week. That's good. All right. Thanks, Bob. Bye. Susan, let me see what the fuck's going on real quick here. Where's my wife? Shit.

Shit, shit, shit. I better just go. I don't want to go. I'm having so much fun. Oh, I'm not sitting down usually because I'm cleaning so I don't have to clean everything at midnight. Oh, shit. She's responding to. You? About the UFC fight? Yeah, about how I feel bad about how she. Are the kids ready to go? Excuse me. My mom must hate it when I burp on the air. I would also like to make a prediction about the general topic of discussion today. I think the letter that Rosa put out and I think the immediate news medias like in the fitness industry picking it up is alluding to his potential exit as CEO. whether he steps down, whether they remove him, whether what, but I think this is, I think this is building to that. And it's giving him

a cover from the community. Because like you were saying earlier, if you step down due to mental health reasons, there's, you've kind of put a safeguard up against yourself and the promises that you've made prior. And obviously nobody's going to hold you to that. So I just think a standby, because I think we'll be having a new CEO for CrossFit within the next 12 months. Yeah. I think you're probably right on all that.

Yeah. I also going back to what you said about the other media chiming in I think it's all coordinated I have no proof of that but I think the release I think that they probably like they told they get together with I think that that guy who owns Morning Chalk Up and the PR guy at HQ are just like complete butt buddies i think they manipulate and i don't think there's any honest reporting i don't think it's i mean honest to the point where not that they're lying but i think it's all just massaged and coaxed or at least 50 it's a weird relationship it's just i shouldn't say all that's too too too broad but it's a it's

a weird relationship and i'm sure the men's health thing i would bet they knew the day before the crossfit community no new i would say like this is all just coordinate there's if you knew what was going on behind the scenes you wouldn't think that it had integrity or honesty now if it did have that like if if if like if rosa was like giving a speech to the trainers and then he just started crying like or something like this. But this isn't like that. This isn't like impromptu. But but which I don't care, which I don't care if they're doing it.

But but then don't present it the other way. It just stinks to high heaven. We we weren't raised like this in this company by Greg to be like this. Yeah. to be like this yeah um savon is starting to look like uncle jr from sopranos i don't know i don't know that show but i like it um i was just you know what today i'm gonna be fucking cool today and i just put on these glasses did you see the morning chalk up disclaimer about the don't make any critical comments? Oh, shit. Oh, please tell me you're joking. Please tell me you're joking.

That was the disclaimer. Please tell me you're joking. They've created a framework and now in which you can't say anything negative about it, even if you're not talking about mental health and issues and you're only concerned with the leadership and future and vision of CrossFit. Right. Like you can't have that conversation anymore because you'll be pushed down by people saying, well, come on, dude, can't you give him some respect? You know how hard it was for him to come out and explain that he has these issues. And you're saying, look, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about his ability to lead in the mental state that he's in. And also to that article that I was referring to as far as like media was

actually men's health. And it came out two days ago and I got this email from the affiliate email. I got it two days ago. So when you're talking about it being coordinated and released at the same time, that's very obvious just by the timelines in the ironic part of it, the guy who wrote it, which nothing against him, but his title and like claim in his letters is all NASA next to his name, which if that's not ironic,

I don't know what is. It's all, it's, I, I'm not even like, I'm not even smart. And I, I can see it like being played out like that.

I might, my default is just to believe and trust. Okay. Love you guys. Uh, uh, bye.