The Sevan Podcast - #235 - Dave Lipson

Episode Date: December 20, 2021

The owner of Thundrbro, Dave Lipson is a World-renowned bro. With background in professional baseball and strength and conditioning, Dave travels the world training trainers on how to thrash clients and mold them into rock hard adonis Gods. He has trained entertainment celebrities, professional MLB and NFL athletes and CrossFit Games champions. Dave enjoys smashing drums and touring with Metal bands, lifting massive weights sexing it up with his beloved wife.The Sevan Podcast is sponsored by http://www.barbelljobs.comFollow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/therealsevanpodcast/Episode Videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC59b5GwfJN9HY7uhhCW-ACw/videosSevan's Stuff:https://www.instagram.com/sevanmatossian/?hl=enhttps://app.sugarwod.com/marketplace/3-playing-brothers Support the showPartners:https://cahormones.com/ - CODE "SEVAN" FOR FREE CONSULTATIONhttps://www.paperstcoffee.com/ - THE COFFEE I DRINK!https://asrx.com/collections/the-real... - OUR TSHIRTS... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I think that's the closest we've ever gone to being perfect. 7 a.m. on the dot. I think that's the closest we've ever gone to being perfect. Look, there's Dave. Hey, what's up? How's it going, guys? So, listen, I'm actually en route right now to Miami to do a photo shoot. So, the car is a little bit noisy.

I wanted to check with you on the sound quality, make sure it was okay. Or, you know, if you guys wanted to reschedule for a quieter time but uh i i i'm in a jeep right now so i just wanted to make sure if you guys can hear okay or if it's too noisy show canceled yeah okay no no no hey dude i can't see you so it sounds like you're in a rainstorm yeah can we just say that can we say you got locked out of your house and you're just on your porch and it's just raining really hard this is kind of the mindset i like to put myself in it's just sitting in a dark closet while it rains on the roof you know just it's in my own thoughts wow great to hear your voice i have um i have uh three, one where I stare at my

beautiful face. And then on the right and left, I can look at you whenever I want one you're shirtless and the other one you're sleeveless. So I can just pretend like I'm looking at you. If we turn on the video, will you just start hiccuping? Yeah, I'll show you. Hold on. Uh, let me turn my camera on. We got a little baby Zoe back here. There she is. Oh, my goodness. Oh, that's a real baby now. Yeah, she's fully toddler now.

She's beyond baby. She's toddler. Oh, my God. Cam is behind the wheel. And we're driving for a photo shoot in Miami right now. And then we're headed down to Key West for vacation for the week. We're coming off of three, well, back-to-back-to-back show weekends, which is really exhausting and hard. So this vacation is long overdue.

How old's the baby? 18 months old. And so Zoe walks? 18 months old. Uh, and so, and so Zoe walks. Oh yeah. She walks, she talks,

she poops, she sings, she dances, she blows kisses. Um, she smiles, she giggles. She's the best.

And, uh, and when you say, um, three show weekends, what do you mean? What, what,

what kind of shows are you doing? Bodybuilding shows. And they're particularly physically and mentally exhausting because, you know, for the show, you don't really eat much. You know, you're just kind of eating rice cakes the whole day. You're very dehydrated. And for me, I compete in multiple categories so i do super heavyweight bodybuilding and men's physique which means that i gotta like pump up and go through posing routines four times which it might not sound like much but it shakes down almost a thousand push-ups in one

day just pumping up you know to get on stage that many times do a lot of people do more than one category? You know what? It's less common, but it's so in line with like the CrossFit methodology, right? Like to be able to step into any arena and hold your own. So, you know, it really, in bodybuilding, the categories are bodybuilding and then everything else is kind of a scaled down version of bodybuilding so there's classic physique where the guys are in briefs and they're a little bit smaller there's men's physique where they're wearing board shorts and they're just painted on their upper body uh the reason why i compete in multiple categories is because i really love bodybuilding and just uh you know the physical display the posing the training uh the amount of uh you know, the physical display, the posing, the training, the amount of, you know, muscle you

have to develop to be competitive at it. But also for men's physique, it's, you know, it's the kind of thing where at the professional level, men's physique athletes really look like bodybuilders because they're just so big now. So, you know, competing in these shows, they were very big, like national championship types of shows. So I competed in both categories because, you know, one, because I really love competing in bodybuilding, and two, I competed in physique just because I have a shot of placing really well. Because you have an insane physique.

Hey, hold on one second. What is your Instagram? I'm going to fix your name here at the bottom at dave freaking lipson dave dave freaking lipson f-r-e-a-k-i-n-g r-a-k-i-n oh gee how's that does that wait how can i just fix those uh oh there it is wait how can i just fix those yeah oh there it is how's that does that look right there it is nice that looks awesome yeah um dave um how long have you you did three bodybuilding shows in three weeks all in florida uh no they're all over the country so yeah no they were in arizona um there was one I did in Orlando, in Orlando Nationals. But, you know, for the national shows, you usually travel for them.

The local shows, you know, there's a local show in every city. So you can usually find one anywhere. But for the nationals, it's usually like Miami or Las Vegas or some big city where everyone flies into. And Cammie's doing them also? Yeah, so, you know, I compete in a lot of the men's categories. Camille, for the first time, just competed in bikini, which, well, for the second time, actually. The first time was her first show was in October,

and then she actually qualified to go to this national championship with her you know she won her category uh at her show so she qualified for nationals just competed with me this past weekend but I mean dude she has changed so immensely uh physically emotionally especially coming off of the year we had you know know, being in the hospital with the baby, seeing her just come absolutely full circle. I mean, she lost like 60 pounds. It was pretty impressive. Yeah, this picture is incredible. Who took this, by the way?

That was our babysitter who was helping us watch Zoe because when we're both competing somebody's got to watch the baby so we actually had a helper that would take care of Zoe so we could both do our things and get stage ready but yeah it's in our hotel room

right before I think it's the night before she's about to go on stage prejudging the next morning. A portrait mode on the iPhone? Yeah, I mean, like, it's incredible. The iPhones are, like, you can really do some impressive things with both the video and the photo now on the iPhone. I think she does this, like, HD 60 settings sometimes on video and stuff,

but I think that's just a regular camera on the iPhone X. Yeah, it is truly an incredible picture. Do you see that muscle that's on her right leg? Like right below her bikini? Yeah, her hip flexor, yes. Is that what it's called? Because yesterday I was looking at this picture with emily abbott and she told me what that muscle was called but i forget what she said but she said it's the longest muscle of the body and i told her yeah camille's body that's the longest muscle but it's not the longest muscle on my body but i mean we're

all different no it's not um it could be i don't know exactly what you're talking about but there is both like the hip flexor the sartorius the psoas what was the first one you said the sartorius and yes it goes from the knee and it wraps around the leg yeah yeah that i mean it really is a remarkable photo is it when you look at that i was saying that says so much about our life with like mom in the bikini with her ugg boots and then the baby in the background pulling at her ankles and i'm there making like oatmeal with protein powder you know in the kitchen or whatever. It's just that it's, it's a snapshot of everything you need to know about us. Dave, I, I, I don't remember the first time I met you,

but I've definitely known you since 2010, maybe earlier, maybe 2009. Um, and in 2010, I spent, um, I spent a bunch of time with you. We did that. We did that trip with Rob Orlando and Bill Grundler and Dave was Hobart on that trip. No, he wasn't on that one, but he was on another one like the second chapter, I think. And then there was the Tahoe throwdown. Yep. And then there was the Tahoe throwdown. Yep. I want to bring up a story. Well, so there's these people that I've had on the show that I've had like these speed bumps with over the years.

Just nothing bad happened, but there was just miscommunication. I had Jason Kalipa on. I had Kelly Starrett on. I had Rich Froning on. And I'd like to bring up something with you that I think that you heard. I heard that you didn't like me, so I was really surprised that you would come on the air with me. And I just wanted to clear something up that you may have heard that absolutely couldn't be further from the truth. Okay. And I was told that GQ and Business Insider and New York Times was calling people and telling people that I had footage of you and Camille having sex and that I was passing it around the executives at CrossFit HQ.

And I want to be super duper clear that I've never filmed anyone having sex. I've never seen you and Camille having sex. And that all the only talk I've ever heard about you guys having sex was the fact that you have a baby. I could make some presuppositions and that you guys hooked up in 2010 at that at the house that I never even went in. Or if I did go in it, I never saw you and Camille there at the again faster house. So I just wanted to clear that up with you. So you know that I there's that was pure fishing expedition on those scumbags part there's no truth to that i i think that most of what i heard from them had uh to do with greg glasper uh yeah and and and uh

stories that were kind of floating around about him and other women and activities and some of his buddies like Jim Jordan. We, you know, it was, I think it's an interesting time that we're living in where people are getting exposed for their indiscretions. systems, companies, and cultures are under the limelight with social media where people are actually, you can't really hide stuff anymore. So I think most of the conversation was about Greg, not necessarily who he was tasking to perform this, that, or the other thing.

And it sounds to me like he had his hands full, if you know what I mean. Well, okay. I spent a lot of time with him. I didn't see any of that, but I do know, I just wanted to clear that up if you heard that. Oh, yeah. I had heard

lots of stuff. Okay. And I think... that that there oh yeah i i had heard i had heard lots of stuff um okay you know and i think uh i never even talked to those people and they never called me and i never had a chance to say anything i just wanted you to know that i never said anything to them about you or cammy and i have uh oh you froze and and i have no and then nothing like that is even remotely true nor did i spread that rumor or anything listen i i it's kind of hard to know now like i said with all the social media and ability for people to communicate you know really this kind of tribal thinking where people get on a bandwagon and you know they're either camp greg or camp whoever right right the usually the truth comes out you know like i i and that's why when we were you know hearing all kinds of stories about crossfit and greg and hq you know my position

has always been that like well if there, if there's something there, someone's going to find it and there'll be a price to pay. And that's it. Right. Yeah. They ended up not all three of the organizations ended up not publishing the the articles. So, yeah, that's like, you know, I don't know where all that stuff kind of came from initially. I think it was right around the time that there was some sizzle going on and people were getting riled up over one thing or another. And it was a perfect opportunity to maybe, you know, roast the next guy. I will. This is something that I haven't really shared.

And maybe Greg will eventually come on the podcast and I'll tell you about it, but there was talk. You knew we were in a CrossFit Inc was in a lawsuit with the NSCA, right? Um, I, you know, I, I, I've known that for about 10 years. I remember a time when they weren't in some kind of lawsuit with the NSCA. Um, you know, I, i i i don't know i don't know really what the lawsuits exactly accomplish you know like it it seems it seems to me like anything else um there was a point where they were offering there was talk of them offering Anything else? any amount of money when you have cancer you have to cut it out and throw it away and hope it never comes back and what was interesting and i'll leave it at this and then maybe we can um at some point the penalty it becomes cheaper to buy crossfit than pay the penalty and so i'll leave that as

the sort of um a pretty strong hypothesis of what we saw occur. Yeah. You know, I think the universe has a way karma, it all has a way of, of working itself out. You know, everyone usually gets what they deserve. And so like, you know, when I, you know, I don't think like the whole, the whole thing about the NSCA and CrossFit and whatever false claims about injuries or this and that, the God's honest truth is if CrossFit is destined to succeed, then it will. And if CrossFit is inherently dangerous, then people will see that. It doesn't matter what kind of semantics one organization

is debating because time tells the truth. And I think what we're kind of seeing now is for all the claims people have made, good or bad, about CrossFit, I think the real results is on where the company's at and how it's growing. And I think the writing is on the wall. You know, I think it's had a big impact on the fitness industry. It made a big, big waves. And now we're kind of dealing with the aftershocks and things are kind of settling down or slowing down into what I think the future holds for fitness, which is understanding that, you know, CrossFit is great. It has a context. It's definitely not a cure-all for everything, but it certainly can help a lot of people as well as a lot of other training methodologies. But, you know, I think we're kind of past that point of trying to posture and argue because results are king and you can't fake results. So, you know, if the program's dangerous,

we're going to see lots of injured athletes. And if it works real well, we're going to continue to see this kind of exponential growth. And I think it is, you know, it's never as good or as bad as you think it is, you know. I think it's just fine. It's fine. It's like any other decent fitness program where, you know, there's lots of different ways to train. And within specific context, you can use CrossFit as a really valuable tool, but you know, to be able to sit there and say on one end, you know, if you do CrossFit, you're destined for a catastrophic injury.

That might not be a hundred percent true, but neither is it. Only 98% true. Exactly. And, and then likewise, if you were to, if you were to say, you know, you say, you know, if you do CrossFit, you're not going to have any issues. That's not quite true either. It's as dangerous program because like any drug, you know, the more potent it is, the more risky it is. And that's just the reality of it. Or any relationship. Yeah. Hey, Dave. So a year ago, you did a video with the Buttery Bros over Zoom.

I watched that last night okay i don't know if it's a testament to how crazy talented heber and mars are or how good and captivating you are but that is like the first 18 minutes of that show is you and them and cammy working out and i cannot believe how well that turned out did you ever go back and watch that after you filmed that? No, I really, I really didn't. And I think this was probably the time when we were both living at the hospital too. So, you know, we had like a rental house across the street from the hospital because we were in there with our daughter and they called up that they were in town and said, Hey, you want to do a workout? And I mean, any opportunity to get out of that hospital and go train in the gym, especially with those guys, you know, jumped at it.

So it was a really nice break for me to be able to just get out of that environment and have some fun slinging iron with the bros in the gym. This is the one you guys did over Zoom, though. It was mostly like you were in a garage. You were separate. Oh, yeah. I remember that. We did like an arm pump workout. Yes.

Yeah. And that's why I can't believe how good it was. I'm like, holy cow, Heber and Mars and Lipson made an 18-minute Zoom call into something that was totally palatable and watchable. Yeah, well, that was just like I put them through one of our hypertrophy finishers. And all of these little workouts we do, these finisher workouts, they're all pretty short. So you can do it over Zoom and really thrash someone with like a light weight or whatever but uh that's exactly what it's supposed to be like is like working hard having fun bringing thunder and getting your pump on uh it was a very authentic i remember that it was like it was during quarantine so

we were doing all these zoom classes and stuff and uh it was just an authentic little process with the guys pumping their guns at the gym one of the things that you assigned to them was to do um bench press with a weight that they could do 150 reps in five minutes and so as i was watching you guys do that i was in my garage and i had just been on the assault bike for 15 minutes. So I laid on the ground on one of those like, you know, those steppers where you can stack plastic steps underneath it. Yeah, like a Reebok step. Yeah. I laid one of those on the ground with no plastic underneath it. So I was just like four inches off the ground and I took two 20 pound dumbbells.

Yeah. And I did a set of 25 and then I was toast. And so I did my next set of 25 with no weight, just like this. Yep. Just cross. And I still only made it to 125. Like I alternated 25 with the 20 pound weights

and then 25 just doing my arms. And I only made it to 125 in five minutes. That's what I love about hypertrophy training and bodybuilding especially is, you know, I think for years and years I was so conditioned to think that the only way to create intensity is to put more weight on the bar or try to go faster. And with hypertrophy, it's just about finding creative ways to get muscles to failure. And some days it can be something like that, like a lightweight where we say, hey, you're going to press this lightweight for five minutes and try to get about 150 reps in. Some days it's like heavy mechanical loading.

Some days it's tempos. Some days it's drop sets or supersets. But it's really nice to not have that pressure, the same kind of pressure you might feel like when you put your name on the whiteboard, to just be like, you know, it doesn't matter how heavy it is. The only thing that matters is getting your muscles to that state of failure and then getting maybe a few forced reps in consistently to help yourself grow. That's, that's really the sweet spot when it comes to, to, you know, getting muscles into that state where they can bulk and thicken and get, you know, larger cross-sectional strength.

What is hypertrophy? Hypertrophy describes one way that the body adapts to stress. And, you know, it could be as a result of hormonal stimulation, inflammation, or increased workload. But when a cell increases in size beyond its normal size, it's gone through hypertrophy. Now, there's lots of different types of hypertrophy, right? There's favorable kinds, like we're talking about, which is hypertrophy of the skeletal muscle, like the striated muscle on the body, the muscle that provides action of bone. But there's also, you know, hypertrophy you don't want, like hypertrophy of your heart, right? Hypertrophy of your internal organs.

hypertrophy of your heart, hypertrophy of your internal organs. So for the sake of what we're talking about, we're talking about the bulking and thickening of muscle cells as an adaptation process with regard to the types of stress you're putting on that muscle. So it's cells growing in size, not the sheer number of cells growing? So you can actually have both, but one is less common. So the bulk in the fibers, the way this actually works within the muscle cell is you can think of your muscle cells as these different long strands of protein. They're myosin-enactive proteins, and they actually hook onto each other just like a piece of Velcro and pull on each other to shorten. Well, around each muscle cell is an outer membrane called the sarcolemma.

So when you create muscle damage from training, you get these little micro tears in that outer membrane, which heal and remodel and grow back thicker. In addition to those individual contractile components of those myosin-enacted proteins, those bonds, they get damaged. And when they grow and heal, they grow back thicker and more numerous, meaning now your muscle has an ability to contract at a higher force because it has that cross-sectional strength and the ability to not just connect more myosin-enacted bonds, but for those bonds to actually be stronger because now they call them myofilaments have actually thickened up. So yeah, I mean, listen, from a simple standpoint, it looks like getting bigger, but at the muscle

cell level, there's some really interesting things that are happening. And what's even more exciting is the specific types of principles you can implement into your training to target that type of adaptation, to specifically target muscle growth. So it's adaptation. Yeah, and some things work better than others, to be honest with you. An untrained athlete, they can do anything. They can lift soup cans or do those bands with the handles and probably see some muscle hypertrophy because

they're putting stress on those cells in a way that they're probably unaccustomed to. But for someone who's a little bit trained, it becomes clear that, you know, doing cardio doesn't build muscle and it really gets a little bit narrower and specific in the scope, not just what you're doing, but how you're doing it. That's going to dictate the rate of your results. What was the term you've used? You've used it like three times. Is it cross-sectional strength? Is that what you said? Yeah, cross-sectional strength of muscles. Basically, if you were to kind of cut that muscle right down the middle, you would look at its density and its volume and its ability to handle force. So the bigger, the thicker the muscle, the more cross-sectional

strength it has. Just like, think about like a rope, right? You got a thin piece of twine, and now you got a big thick rope. The thick rope is going to have much more tensile strength. Yeah. In 2010, I think it was when I went and filmed Rich, and I bring this up because I watched your podcast with Jason Kalipa, and you were talking about using these movements to even make better CrossFitters and you know Rich did a lot of like bodybuilding movements back then still with his CrossFit so I would see him do like two or three CrossFit workouts and then I would see him do sit-ups slow crunches with a hundred pound dumbbell on his stomach or in his hands, or I'd see him do curls, or I would see him like do the traditional bodybuilding movements. And yeah, go ahead. Well, I was going to say like, honestly, functional movements are the best bodybuilding movements. It's just how you're doing them.

That's going to dictate how much you're, it's going to garner hypertrophy, right? So like, how much it's going to garner hypertrophy, right? So like, you know, all the slow lifts we do, bench, squat, deadlifts, variation of, and then even all of the pieces of the movements, like you were mentioning, the bicep curl, the tricep extension, the leg extension, the hamstring curl,

all of these movements have the ability to put force on muscle in a way that allows for time under tension, that allows for some decent heavy mechanical loading so that muscles can actually respond to that stress and grow. I mean, not just the muscles, also the tendons, the bones, all that stuff gets thicker and denser to handle that kind of heavy, heavy stress, just muscle pulling on bone. But, you know, it's not necessarily the bicep curl that makes it bodybuilding. What makes it bodybuilding is the sets, the reps, and how you're doing it. Because, you know,

if we take like, say something like, I don't know, a deadlift, right? I can sit there and I could deadlift 135 pounds as fast as I can and move around and bounce the bar off the ground. But it's not really doing much for me in terms of muscle growth. You know, I take that same movement and now I say, okay, I'm going to incorporate some tempos or some pauses, or I'm just going to move slower and more intentionally so I can put my finger right on that muscle group that I'm trying to get into. Now it becomes extremely potent. So in some some ways momentum is the enemy of hypertrophy and it's not just the movement selection but more so how you're performing the movement that's going to determine how much that muscle is going to be able to grow

do you think all the champions um know that do you think all the people at the top do you think tia matt rich they all do and sorry if i'm screwing up my understanding of this, but slow reps, lighter and slower reps as part of their regimen? has to do with how many kipping pull-ups you're going to be able to do or how fast your mile time is and much more to do to just understand the physiology of muscle growth. So in a lot of ways, it's not really the CrossFitter's forte. You can say you're doing bodybuilding and copy whatever Dorian Yates was doing back in the 1990s, but having an understanding of it is really important because you want to know not just what you're doing, but why an understanding of it is really important because you want to know not just what you're doing, but why you're doing it so that you can more accurately hit the training. So I think there's, you know, there's huge opportunity across people will learn a lot

more about this because I believe that hypertrophy is really the foundation of everything. You know, you have to have the physiology, you have to have the biological adaptations, you know, so now all you got to do is kind of train that wiring well to be able to express it as best you can. But most people are not limited by their ability to move efficiently. I think CrossFitters are like really good at cheating. Most people are limited just by the size of their physical body and their contractile potential. Most people are limited just by the size of their physical body and their contractile potential. And I think that makes sense that Rich and Tia would do more of that stuff because of the volume that they put on their bodies. They need to fortify those joints.

And I think hypertrophy is really rehabilitative to the body and you're actually building the body up. And there are so many other things that go into it too, right? Like your training volume, nutrition, your internal chemistry. I mean, there's so many other things that go into it too right like your training volume nutrition your internal chemistry i mean there's there's so many layers to this the community that knows the most about it is the bodybuilding community but i think as crossfitters people are learning more and more because they're starting to understand the utility in the context even beyond performance of just being able to say like hey i'm proud to be able to wear the work on my body that I do in the gym. And I'm happy with the way that I look. Um, does this fit in this category? So you have, let's say you have, uh, 50 kipping pull-ups and you have 22 strict pull-ups, right?

And so one of the things you add to your training is, um of a very slow and controlled 10-pound weighted pull-up. Does that fit in that? Yes and no. I mean, listen, you could put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. to mix these things together when you try to turn the conditioning into bodybuilding or when you try to turn the bodybuilding into conditioning you usually end up bastardizing both so i'm more of a fan of completely separating the hypertrophy training and having that be whatever 50 60 75 percent of your training of just specific reps and sets and tempos and then letting the conditioning just be the conditioning as opposed to trying to make the conditioning

hypertrophy because you're just, all you're doing is just sacrificing your addition, your ability to condition well and not getting some really hypertrophy training in. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel you. What percentage of your training is CrossFit now? It depends on the phase of the year. You know, if we're getting ready for a show prep, there'll be a lot more. There'll be about once a day.

You'll have to have some high-intensity conditioning. If it's an off-season where you're trying to put on muscle mass, you might condition two, three times a week, but for shorter durations. At the end of my prep, I was doing two hours a day of conditioning and two hours a day of lifting so it's a lot of training and that's not a major caloric deficit you know like 1700 calories just to be able to get really really crazy crazy lean but that's not where I would live I think for most people I think for most people the formula is the amount of time that you're spending

you know and the time that's required to build muscle. If you train five days a week, usually about 75 percent of that training time should be hypertrophy training, bodybuilding type of work. And about 25 percent should be conditioning because that's where people have the most room to grow. room to grow and they're still getting a lot of the same benefits that they would get from the conditioning in the lifting like increasing their you know lifting with a higher heart rate um you know burning through body fat but the bang for your buck there is probably the greatest in terms of training effect i think that's where i'm headed yeah i mean listen i think i'm like go ahead go ahead you get to a certain age where you're like hey I'm not trying to be the fittest man on earth. I just want to look really good naked and not be hurt and be able to do stuff outside the gym.

Yeah, I'd like I'd like to be able to pick up my kids and run a half a mile. Like, yeah, I'd be away from away from the burning building. You know what I mean? And then other than that, like really, I just want to be like not hurt. Exactly. And I think that's great because like, this is a way, like one of the things I'm, I really love about training is I love the functional movement. So really fun and athletic.

But the idea of doing like a one rep max back squat or deadlift, or even like a five rep max back squat, it's so it feels so dangerous to me, given my situation, you know, having been through back injuries and back surgeries and broken myself down a lot. 90% of my one rep max or better. Maybe I'm going to take this down to 60 and move it with control until my mechanics start to fail. Not only am I able to train pain-free, but you see this huge catalyst for muscle growth, which is really what I'm after. I want to wear that work on my body. I want to walk into a room and have people know that I train a lot.

Do you still barbell snatch ever? No, not really. Those are one of those movements that for me, anything with like very ballistic kind of movement is just not a good idea for me with what I got going on in my back. And, you know, honestly, my back is very healthy right now. I've been pain free for years. back is very healthy right now it's i've been pain-free for years but the reason i have been pain-free is because i've avoided those things like you know like going on a fucking roller coaster ride with a barbell yeah um a hundred percent would you get on a trampoline do you jump on trampolines would you do that to play with your kids or no you won't even fuck with that

i would do it but i might do it gently like when we go to the theme park, like I avoid the tower of terror, you know, and, and, and part of me like really wants to do it, but then I remember what it's like to, you know, not be able to tie your shoes for two weeks. So, you know, and I think that's the hard thing is, is as a coach too, like, I think I give people some really good advice, especially when it comes to injury or performance. And sometimes I find it hard for me to take my own advice, you know, because I would just be like, okay, well, just don't back squat and deadlift really heavy and avoid those things that you know are triggers for your back. But it's easier said than done because, you know, that carrot's right in front of your nose. And it's just, you know, you just, you do one good lift and you're like, yeah, I think I could do this today. And then all of a sudden it's that one rep where you're like, oh, shit, shouldn't have done that.

After I had my first kid, after my wife had had our first kid, there was a time I hurt my back so bad. And it was doing something like snatches or deadlifting that I basically had to crawl into the shower to pee. like snatches or deadlifting that I basically had to crawl into the shower to pee. Yeah. And I was like that for three days. And I decided after that I would never let that happen again. And it was, you're right. I basically cut all anything I lifted by 50%. I just cut everything in half.

Like, okay, I'm not doing any of that shit ever again. Yeah, exactly. And it's hard not to get peer pressured in the gym, you know, because especially in a CrossFit gym where intensity is celebrated so much that, you know, you get a circle of people, you know, for trouble. And unfortunately that's a really common story, uh, with, with back injuries is, uh, you know, I think, um, I look back at my training career and I wish I would've just pulled back like 10% on some of those heavy lifts, just like 10% less. And maybe I could have trained like that for a lot longer, but, um, it's just hard because hindsight's 2020, right? Yeah. But you're still loving training, obviously. Oh, it's, it's just hard because hindsight's 2020 right yeah but you're still loving training obviously oh it's it's this has been so huge for me it's like finding a whole new passion here like taking what i've learned from crossfit and now opening up this box and learning all this

new stuff about bodybuilding and nutrition and liking the way that my body looks. And, you know, like at, you know, at like 40 years old, I've never looked better. And I'm really proud of all the work I've put in. But more so, I'm so grateful for all of our athletes that have kind of gone through the same journey as me with Thunderbro, my company that, you know, I just kind of share what I'm doing. And now we have this huge community of people hybriding performance and aesthetics together. So yeah, it's been wonderful. It's a really nice middle ground, getting bodybuilders training more functional,

getting CrossFitters starting to heal themselves up and get themselves into the aesthetic that they've always wanted. And I'm in the middle just trying to figure out how to do it better um why no e and thunder bro because it's like fun doctor bro ah yeah take a seat we got the fun doctor bro shirt on here ah um how did what's the origins of the name? How'd you come up with Thunderbro? You know, this, this was all kind of happened after I'd had back surgery. And before that, I was really down on myself. You know, I kind of had my dick in the dirt. I didn't think I'd be able to train again. I was, had doubts about my career, you know, all that stuff, because I really wasn't sure if I'd be able to move. You know, I was losing feeling in my legs and looking at a big back surgery.

And I'm just like, all the doctors are telling me, well, just don't lift anymore. And I'm like, but I love lifting. It's my career. It's my passion. It's what I know the most about in the world, you know? So I was really just mentally and emotionally in this weak spot. And then when I had the surgery, I decided I didn't want to be that person anymore. I wanted to be the person that would come into a room and be a fountain, you know, fill people up around me or just bring thunder in this very positive way where, you know, you're being the type of man that you want to be.

you know you're you're being the type of man that you want to be and it helps to do it with your bros because there's nothing better than going in the garage with your buddy slinging around some iron having fun working hard getting huge and so that's that's the beginning of thunder bro it's just like you know that that idea really that mindset and attitude of of not allowing yourself to be defeated and being uh being, you know, being the light and the people around that, you know, when you walk into a room, you're there to bring it in a positive, maybe slightly aggressive way. Oh, there she goes. No crying. You know, you really described yourself well there of how I think about you. You really are a fountain of positive energy and a light. And you always have been a very – I think people love being around you, just absolutely love being around you.

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always kind of in some ways maybe try to model my personality when i think about the type of man i want to be you know i think about these influential characters man I want to be, you know, I think about these influential characters in my life that for whatever reason just made me feel a certain way. Right. And actually one of them, you know, when I was a little kid and I'm sure you were the same, like I loved superheroes, right. And WWF wrestling. And I was in the age in the nineties where I would get up every Saturday morning and watch American gladiators. You remember the original American gladadiators? Yeah.

Well, there was a guy on there that played Nitro, and his name is Dan Clark, Dan Nitro Clark. And we actually became friends. He was at a Level 1 seminar in, like, 2012. And we started hamming it up and became friends. And since then, we've stayed in touch. And he's done some really, like, a lot lot of like legitimate mental skills, development work with me, working on exactly what I'm talking with you about is, you know, trying to be the man that you want to be, the man that you would be proud of. You know, looking back at your life, not a childish version of yourself or a vain version or just that version that, you know, you were just a little bit weak for whatever reason. just that version that, you know, you were just a little bit weak for whatever reason, but being a good standup man where, you know, you can, uh, you can look back on the day and know that it counted for something that you impacted people and that you could be proud

of your effort and lay your head to rest knowing that you were the best version of you. Um, Dave, are you Jewish? I am Jewish, yes. Both your mom and your dad? Well, so, yes, my dad's a rabbi. My sister's a rabbi. My brother's a rabbi. My mother converted from Catholicism. She's from a pretty hardcore Catholic family. So I've had exposure to both.

But, you know, I was born and raised Jewish and, you know, full deal. I gave bar mitzvah lessons to kids when I was in high school and stuff. And, uh, you know, you had a bar mitzvah, you did a bar mitzvah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's a very important. That's your, you know, it's your right passage to becoming a man. It's a, it's a big moment. Um, yeah, that was, you know, and, and, and it's funny now because, you know, the book of Jewish sports heroes is really like a pamphlet. It's not very big. So when I go back home or go to synagogue, you know, everyone, everyone thinks of me as like, you know, the athlete at the temple. But the truth is, there's just not a lot of Jewish athletes.

Is Lipson a Jewish name? athletes um is lipson a jewish name yes yeah it is um a lot of these names uh were you like changed sometimes from when they came over and whatever from eastern europe my family came from russia uh in the early 1900s but um yeah like uh lips it is a jewish name there's a lot of different kind of variations of what they think the original name could be. But yeah, now it is. I remember that because I remember when I would hang with you,

when I hung with you in Tahoe, you mentioned Sandy Colfax. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he was. Yeah. He's him and Hank Greenberg,

you know, Jewish hall of famers. He was probably the greatest pitcher of all time too so we'll take it we'll take that one for sure and sandy i think you told me he was this uh is there an award in baseball called the cy young yeah there's this the cy young award is given to the best pitcher in major league baseball each year in the american and national league and he won that oh yeah no not even that i mean he was just like incredibly dominant and what was weird about him was like he was like unhittable for a short period of time he had a

pretty short career uh he retired when he was still in his in his like mid-30s um because he was starting to have elbow problems but in there was like a stretch of like six years where he was starting to have elbow problems. But there was a stretch of six years where he was just untouchable, dominant, most dominant pitcher in the big leagues. He's like one of those legendary tales. It's almost good that he retired so early, because he finished at the top of his game. I went to my wife's family's house. We had one of our kids, 23, in Mead, under a fake name, of course.

And we had to do it for something. And he's 51% Ashkenazi. That's my wife's side. And he's 49% Armenian. Yeah, that makes sense. percent um armenian yeah that makes sense you know there there are two different types of lineages of uh jewish tribes one is called ashkenazi another one is called sephardic and they're they're really from different regions of the middle east i think one is closer to um one is closer to africa and another one might be closer to like

spain italy more more european um so yeah i mean but i i believe it is the ashkenazi that have like a darker skin or from like morocco africa kind of area i think they're the more inbred one like i think like you got like we didn't do it but you're supposed to get like we she was supposed to get a bunch of tests to make sure he didn't come out all weird yeah there there are some diseases you know that are they actually have drawn back to uh you know jewish tribes that are genetic diseases but uh hopefully nobody has to deal with that yeah yeah yeah yeah of course of course um but what i thought so this was leading to me so so over thanksgiving we went and saw her family and i always have to remember that you can't hug the women on her side of the family like not her mom and her sister but like

the the ones from new york the orthodox jews you can't hug the women do you have any of those in your family you're not allowed to hug them and they well well so there are so many different i would call them levels but there are different sects of judaism just like there are different types of christianity right i mean you got like you got mormons you've got uh new age christians catholics baptists uh episcopalian right well it's the same thing with judaism where you have like uh ultra orthodox jews which are very like right wing old school live by the torah you know dressing the in the in the jackets and the ropes the hats and separate the men from the women that's probably the most they hang a sheet up at parties and shit where the women are on one side and the dudes are on the other exactly then there are orthodox jews which are a little more conservative but still observe a lot of the same rules like the

separating men from women or how you're dressed or you know the touching that kind of stuff and then there's like reforming conservative jews which probably represent the majority of jews in america which it's nothing like that there's no you know there aren't any kind of like strict rules that's more of a orthodox ultra orthodox thing but those communities are very very tight so you see neighborhoods in like uh new york that are exclusively jewish neighborhoods because there are you know ultra orthodox jews that they all stay together on the same block you know it's fascinating too about they have like six or seven kids and the reason why i i really cannot stand going to la but i make the

trip and bear down because i love my kids being around those kids they're like at least this particular orthodox family the kids are so wholesome so pure so like uh tribal and like loving and like it's you know i don't know any amish people but it's how i kind of imagine amish people to be i bet it's a learning experience for both sides because the orthodox kids are probably having their minds blown you know about what's commonplace for your kids and vice versa your kids are probably enthralled by you know why they do some of the things that they do and you know the rules the structure that they have um why florida how did you end up in florida and do i need to move there

oh man florida's been great so far it's been an awesome move um are you just barefoot in shorts all day that's what i imagine i imagine you just accept the humidity and like you never get dressed well there's no reason for sleeves and most wear shorts most days the sun's out most days um it's just there's so many reasons why i like florida right now but we got here because mostly because of our daughter you know she was born very premature we spent three months in the hospital with her. When we finally got out of the hospital, we realized we really couldn't take her home. Because we lived way up in the mountains, which is like an hour from any kind of emergency services.

And it was too high for her. We were having issues breathing. So we knew at that point we were probably going to have to move out of Colorado. anything so we knew at that point we're probably have to move out of Colorado um and uh you know Kami wanted to move to Hawaii because we had a hell of a year but we ended up kind of looking at states that made more sense for us maybe to be closer to family or to make more sense for our business so we were we're looking at like Florida and Texas and even going back home to Connecticut and Florida seemed like the best one. It's great.

Our families are down here. You know, there's no state income tax. The state is wonderful. The people are great. And we really like our life and our lifestyle. We have this really awesome house. Uh-oh. Dave Lifson is taking a break. He's's using the restroom now he will be back in 10 seconds there he is yeah he just took a bathroom break and now he's back refreshed we're back so what

city in florida uh so it's it's a town called indians Beach. And Indian Rocks Beach, is that on the beach? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's right there. It's basically like if you go to Tampa and you go straight to the water from Tampa, that's where we are. Dave, this is the biggest amount of money anyone's ever given the show. What is this? Yeah.

On August 11, 2011, at University of California, San Diego, Dave Lipson was one of my level one instructors. His passion for overall health and CrossFit methodology he was teaching was inspiring. I really enjoy seeing his journey now with bodybuilding. Cheers and all the best. Hey, Olson, this guy is contagious. I totally know what you mean. He is like cranberry juice or mustard. If you get close to it, you're getting some on you and it's going to get on you and it's going to leave a mark on you.

Well, it's such an honor to hear that. You know, sometimes I forget how many seminars, how many athletes and trainers that we've had the honor of just working with. athletes and trainers that we've had the honor of just working with. It's not really typical, you know, as a trainer to have taught tens of thousands of people, you know? So in that regard, it's, it's been, it's been quite a unique experience just knowing as many different trainers and athletes that we got the opportunity to, to meet and educate a little bit. Oh, you're on the Gulfulf of mexico yeah yeah it's beautiful it's got white sand beaches um okay you're on that side of

florida wow yes yeah oh you're by clearwater that's's where the guys are. The Scientologists have their mothership there, right? Yeah, they do. I have a bunch of friends who are Scientologists. Trip on that. Oh, really? I didn't even know for a couple years. Are you a Scientologist? Wait a second. Are you talking about CrossFit or Scientology? Both. I have a bunch of friends who are CrossFitting Scientologists, but what's weird is I talking about CrossFit or Scientology? Both. I have a bunch of friends who are CrossFitting Scientologists, but it's weird as I didn't know they were Scientologists

for years. It's a pretty big group of them. I was going to ask you what the difference was. Oh, good point. Very good point. And well, they talk what they never talk about Scientology, which is they're pretty. Are you a Scientologist? No, no. I mean, listen, I think religion's really interesting, but no, I'm not. And how did you find this place, Indian Rock? You know, it was crazy. I don't know if during quarantine you went through the same stuff,

but I got the Zillow app. You ever been on that app before? I use Tria but i love it i love it it's like it's like real estate it's like real estate porn yes it's so good i look every day and and you're like oh honey look this one's got a tennis court we could turn into a gym you know yes um so anyways i was just looking around florida you didn't know what city i wanted to live in or what would be good for us i had a couple ideas um but i just happened to see this one like by the water that i clicked on it looked insane i was like wow this house looks amazing and we weren't down there so i sent my dad over to take a look at it. I go, what do you think? And he goes, you should put an offer on it.

So we ended up buying our house without even ever seeing it, in person at least. But it's awesome. You know, it's great. We love it. And it's so funny because one of my best friends and my training partner, who was actually up in Boston, he ended up moving down to Florida to the same town right around the corner from me. Uh, so it was, uh, it was serendipitous. Hey, is that, is that characteristic of both? Oh, is that characteristic of both you and Cammy to do

something spontaneous like that? Like, do you guys fight over that? Like, are you like like she's like put an offer on it you're like no way or vice versa or was it how does that work it's a pretty big spontaneous move if you heard any of that i heard it all dude um can. Can you hear me now? Yeah. I was going to get me now. All right. Good. So I think for Cam and I, we're both creatures of habit. We like a process, and in some ways we're very boring because we just like to do what we do.

But having said that, any opportunity we get to, like, go on an adventure or try something different, we're both, you know, we're both game to strap it on and do whatever. So I think we both have kind of that adventurous outlook on life where, you know, we don't we really don't stay in places more than five years. You know, you're moving every five years just because we like to we like to change it up. That being said, do you think you're home i don't know i mean i thought our last home was home and it ended up not being i mean i i think it's home right now for sure um and we're gonna really enjoy it and you know get the most out of it but i i couldn't really say you know uh just we most out of it. But I, I couldn't really say, you know, uh, just, we just try to stay present and, and, and make the day count. Why are you going down to, um, if you're in Florida, why go down to a Key West, uh, for holiday?

Why not just stay at your house? You know, it's a little bit, one, it's a little bit more tropical. So it's more like the Caribbean with the beaches and the environment down there. It's about eight hours away from us. Two, you know, we want to get out of the house. So we want to have some kind of vacation. So we just got a resort for the week down there just to be in a hotel and have somebody clean up after us, you know? Yeah, I totally get it. You'll stay in a hotel and have somebody clean up after us you know yeah i totally get it you'll stay in a hotel not a vrbo no no no we're gonna we're gonna try to like do it fancy we never do it fancy and we're gonna try to do it fancy this time i like hotel i know a lot of people

like vrbo i like hotel um i like hotel because someone changes my sheets and I can order room service. And I just like hotel. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like having freshly folded sheets. Yeah. And just like a clean room. Have you been to Key West before? I've been there once and it's an interesting town. Yes.

People told me it's kind of like a cougar city. Yeah, it's a trip. It's definitely a trip. Yeah. Big gay scene there. Big gay scene there. Yeah. You're going to be quite the piece of ass there.

I hope so. You know, it's funny. As I get older, I appreciate any support I can get. The the it was the only time anyone's ever honked at me was I was in San Francisco and it was after a rave and it was like probably like seven in the morning. And me and all my homies were hanging out on some front porch by Golden Gate Park at some dude's house, you popping Vicodin and trying to come down off of ecstasy. And we all had our shirts off. And I walked around the corner to go to the liquor store or something, and someone honked at me, and it was like a car full of old dudes. And I was like, I'll take it.

Fucking take it. I'll take it. I mean, I felt good. I was like, yeah, I really enjoyed it. I'm not even joking. I was like, all right, finally someone honked at me. enjoyed it i'm not even joking i was like all right someone finally someone honked at me isn't it crazy just the cultural shift on gender identity that we've seen in our lifetime it to me it's just nuts like full circle from the 80s from like you know bad guy high school

villains just like being straight up terrible and now now it's just like, it's, it's, it's pretty, uh, it's pretty incredible. What, what we've seen just in the time since I was in high school and how all these alternative lifestyles and gender identities are now like it flipped it on its head. You know, it, it, it turned it from a weakness into a strength. What do you mean? Give me an example. I'm sorry. What?

Do you have money for this? Sorry, so I'll give you one second. Cash. Just paying Bitcoin, Dave. Paying Bitcoin. Okay. Are you playing with Bitcoin? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Give me an example of what you mean by that. Gosh. All right. Let me an example of what you mean by that. Gosh. All right. Let me ask you a question. When did you graduate high school? 1990. And what was the popular high school movie back then? Boy, I can't even.

Someone help me out. I can't even remember. Was it like Fast Times't even remember was it like was it like fast times at richmond high yeah probably something like that yeah that was even a little bit yeah yeah yeah yeah probably fast times yes yes good so so go back and watch your old high school movies yes and and look at how anyone with an alternative lifestyle is portrayed in those movies versus versus now that's what i'm talking about there's so much stuff in it and it's not just on that end it's also on like um you know male misogyny too right i mean there's things that they were in those movies that you could never get away with

now you know because it's just such a different time god i really like fast times at ridgemont high that was a great movie i really liked that music when the girl gets out of the pool and what's his name judd nelson's jacking off in the bathroom oh it's it's it's like even that stuff like you could never get away with that now oh my god what that scene is just amazing we were we were watching american high and we were just saying like the way the women were kind of portrayed and treated in those movies, high school movies. I'm like, oh, my God, there would be like social uproar if that happened today. There was another movie called Porky's. I think I was like a junior high when that came out.

And I was I wasn't allowed to see it. But the other kids would talk about it at school. And I remember just fucking losing my mind like I had to see it, but I never got to see it. I don't even know if I ever did see it.'s good man you know evolution is good you know changing changing is good people should be changing if you're not changing you're dying hey do you think that um do you think that uh um having your shirt off all the time is a good kind of um pressure to manage your diet like like if you knew you were gonna have your shirt off would you be more strict with your diet yeah like when i go places like if i'm on um like when i've gone to hawaii yeah i i'm always a little bit hungry because i i don't want to stuff myself and feel uncomfortable because i always want to have my shirt off, right?

Like always when I go to the – and I kind of appreciate that peer – I appreciate that peer pressure, peer pressure that I put on myself. Not even real peer pressure. I appreciate the self-consciousness that helps me manage my diet. Maybe it's a pathology. I don't know. I think that depends more on the person. I can tell you down here in Florida, there are a lot of people with their shirts off that do not give a shit what they look like they got french fries in one hand and ice cream in the other exactly candy on the way but that is a real thing because i'll tell you like uh for our athletes you have that are saying like

gonna do their first bodybuilding show uh that knowing that they're going to be on that stage you know basically naked uh you know in front of a bunch of strangers with a panel of judges looking to pick them apart there's nothing that creates the same kind of like level of compliance and dedication and consistency than having that desperation of knowing that, you know, you're going to be exposed. People are going to see all that stuff that you're doing there. There it is. Men's physique. Hey, do they give you those shorts? No. You know, most people, you got to wear a certain type of board short that's not too short and not too long.

I like those because of the color and they're nice and tight on my legs. But most people, yeah, most people are just using like regular kind of like pearly style board shorts. How about, look, can you wear those every day or those too tight around the cock and balls um you know what's funny is like those shorts the waist is loose but the legs are too tight so it gets really tight right around that area uh and the glutes too you know like my legs are too big for those shorts but when you're doing you know you're getting ready for a show you're trying to get your waist as slim as you can men's physique i don't see those photos dude what's your um what's your max weighted pull-up uh dave i don't know i've done uh body weight before you know like your body weight on top of your body weight. Wow.

Holy shit. Holy shit. Do you do pull-ups every day? No. See, that's the thing is like with hypertrophy training, you need to work on a split that allows the body part to recover. So like you can't do legs every day. You can't do chest every day.

You can't do pull-ups every day because you're never going to give that muscle time to actually grow okay got it got it i was at a hotel um recently and i did skull crushers for the first time in fuck skull crushers one where you lie on the bench right and you hold the weight behind your arms and you pull it to your chest the dog that's a pullover uh for the lat yeah unless you're bending your elbows and you know bending and sending your elbows is a skull crusher but pulling the weight over your head is is a pullover whatever it was my my triceps were on fire and for the next three days my triceps were sore and i was so i like it makes me want to buy a bench now for my house like i so miss that kind of training i just loved how and my sleeves got a little tight around my arms

and i just i just really liked it there's nothing more gratifying than watching your body grow you know like it you know seeing the the shirts fitting tighter the arms getting bigger uh the waist getting slimmer like that's the kind of stuff that you can see in the mirror i think people underestimate how powerful that is it creates a lot of momentum that gets you charged up to go back in the gym and get excited about training. You have a program, it's called 90 Days to Getting Huge. Is that the name of it? I mean, I got lots of programs. That's our kind of beginner entry-level program. It's for people who are new to hypertrophy. It's for people coming off of injury. I used it coming off of back surgery. It's all really lightweight, but with lots of tempos and volume. Our most popular hypertrophy program is muscle anarchy. And it's really cool.

It's all these advanced bodybuilding concepts overlapped on top of just functional movements with minimal equipment, just barbells and dumbbells. And like we were talking about, 75% of the program is hypertrophy training, and the other 25% is conditioning. And then you see we do these challenges that include nutrition. So we have our 30-day shred challenge, which is a fat loss challenge. We have our muscle mania challenge, which is a muscle gain challenge. And they use that same kind of method that we do in muscle anarchy, but we do a one-on-one coaching and weekly check-ins to keep people

progressing in the right direction. Um, is this Jason Ackerman in this picture? I just saw, I don't think so. On, on the far right. That wasn't him.

No. Where was that picture? I just saw a picture of him. That's JP on the left. Go down to the bottom, Siobhan. Okay? And now you can look at JP's before and after. Keep scrolling down.

See that one on the far left? This guy. The guy with the mustache. That's JP? Yeah, you know JPp he works on staff crazy he's from san diego he did our shred program and you can see you know the shred program is great for putting on muscle and losing body fat all these people down here are are pretty shred athletes holy cow yeah i mean we do big things with the physical transformation and we really got it

dialed in i think one of the things we do especially well is we make it very comprehensive where the training is really the least of it it's really about the lifestyle the nutrition the supplements the discipline like that's that's a ticket because know, you got 23 hours outside to fuck it up. Right. So we try to limit the ability for the athlete to deviate, give them the lowest, lowest barrier to success. In this picture, you're holding an eggplant. I can't remember the last time I've ever seen a photo of someone holding an eggplant. In my last year at CrossFit I stopped using the eggplant emoji I used to love that emoji like just like the big dick emoji like yes and I stopped using it because I was scared and after I got fired I've really incorporated I try to use the eggplant at least once a day uh in a text to someone as kind of like a fuck you I'm free so I really appreciate

this um I think I can't tell if that's a small eggplant or you have huge hands. I think that's what they were going for in that photo shoot. I appreciate it a lot. Oh, and check this out. Go to library.

Okay. There's a new book we just put out. Scroll down a little bit. It is called The Hy hypertrophy finish. These are all books that I've written. Okay. Click on that hypertrophy finishers Bible book. Now that's the seminar. Yeah. Click on the book. Right in the middle. Oh, the Bible, the finishers Bible. bible yeah you're asking about judaism don't you want the bible yes yeah all right yeah so this is my newest book it's awesome it's got 125 killer hypertrophy finisher workouts these are just like 10 to 15 minute little workout pieces

that demolish muscle and it's categorized all by muscle group and movement function so if you want to find some chest day finishers or some leg day finishers there's some killer killer workouts in there and they're all just organized it's like it's the best of my muscle anarchy programming but it's all kind of organized into a hard copy for people to just reference. And there it is. It's awful. I think people are going to love it. Hey, I noticed that the e-book's not available and it's only available in a hand copy.

Why is that? I prefer a hand copy. I never buy an e-book. It's because you get the e-book with the hard copy. They come together. Yeah. You get the e-book with the hard copy. They come together. Yeah. You get the two for one. I love this, how the buy now bro button shakes.

Yeah. You got to buy it now. Look, I got two copies. Awesome. I got two copies. Awesome. I got a question for you. I don't know, and I don't mean to ambush you with this question, but fuck it. I'm going to do it anyway. Let's talk about raw eggs.

Okay. Should you eat your egg raw or should you cook it? And what's the difference? For most people, probably not not most people have allergies to eggs specifically the egg white uh it creates an inflammatory response in a majority of people and not cooking them only enhances that response like if you get the runs you know if you eat a bunch of raw egg whites then have to go take a shit that's a good sign that you are allergic to egg whites and most people would have that reaction just drinking raw egg whites so they you know the purist would argue maybe you

get more nutrients if it's not cooked but the god's honest truth is you get a lot less nutrients if you have diarrhea um do you eat raw eggs yourself i eat eggs i eat tons of eggs but i cook them steak and eggs all day. Steak and spinach. You know, all the stuff that helps your muscles grow. How about any of the raw meat shit? Are you fucking around with any of that? No way. No way. I think you're much more likely to pick up some kind of pathology from a tapeworm or a parasite or have a bad reaction. And the most important thing is that you're taking care of your gut.

So you don't mess around with raw food for a reason. There's a reason why people cook food. Right. How about raw milk? No, definitely not. And my friend Tim gave himself type 1 diabetes eating raw milk. Oh, serious? Yeah, because you know with type 1, there's always a trigger. So he decided he was going to do a raw milk diet, got crazy sick, and then the next thing he knew,

he had type 1 diabetes after two weeks of being ill from drinking that raw milk. That was the trigger that triggered that autoimmune response that started shutting down his pancreas. Yeah, wait, and that's a done deal. He's got that now for the rest of his life? I mean, usually these people are destined to have it. It's just a matter of when and what's going to trigger it. And so, yeah, he's got it for the rest of his life. Holy cow.

So, yeah, that pretty much settles my raw milk debate. Vincent Palmaro, best guest ever. Sevan, I think he means Sevan. He says seven. You're amazing. And, David, you're inspirational. Thank you, guys. Thank you so much.

I appreciate it. What about the carnivore diet in general? I think any diet that's extreme is going to be hard to maintain. You know, all these things have context. It'd be good for a period of time. But for most people, they're going to find the most success with balance and consistency. And anything that's all meat or all vegetable or one meal a day, that's, you know, it'll work for a while. And then usually end up with issues, maybe with the carnivore diet.

Maybe it's too much stress on the kidneys diet maybe it's too much stress on the kidneys maybe it's too much stress on the thyroid um you know with the vegan diet maybe you start getting anemic because you don't have enough of a full panel of branch chain amino acids i don't know but in general i think i see most athletes doing better with balance consistency And is there a diet you subscribe to like a one word diet? Like, I mean, honestly, it's just kind of figuring out your macronutrient prescription for your goals at the moment. I think I have three different types of diets I usually follow. One is for maintaining, one is for gaining and one is for cutting. And the only thing that changes is the food types are generally the same.

I like the foods that like me, not the foods that I like. So I'm always eating these things, you know, optimized gut function, hormones, but the way I am positioning protein, carbs, and fat can change based on the specific goal within that phase. And what are the go-to foods, Dave? I mean, listen, you're never going to go wrong with good meat and vegetables, right? But specifically, I do a lot of steak and eggs, salmon, spinach, peppers, carrots. Really, if you guys are familiar with Stan Effig's vertical diet, the food ingredients from that vertical diet are outstanding for just optimizing, you know, your, your own internal chemistry. And then you can position that, those food types, however you want to fit whatever macros

you're following. So, uh, what was the name of the diet? Tell me the name of it again. It's called the vertical diet. And, uh, it's, it's really about the right foods. What about avocados? Yep. That's in there. Um, and what about Brussels sprouts? Nope. What about avocados? Yep, that's in there. And what about Brussels sprouts?

Nope, it's not. And why not Brussels sprouts? Too hard for the gut to digest. Oh, interesting. That's why you get farty after your Brussels sprouts. Oh, interesting. Wow.

Do you fuck with peanut butter? Sometimes, yeah, but I know some people who can't because maybe they got a little allergy. But I do lots of almond butter, lots of peanut butter, oatmeal with peanut butter and protein powder. That's an easy go-to. There's lots of stuff. But in general, I think you want to make sure that most of the food you're putting in is good whole foods and that you're dialing in the quantities to you know meet what it is that you're after hey uh so my baby is ryan right now a lot and i gotta start driving and let cam take care of her so i'm gonna cut out now brother thanks for having me on

absolutely anytime dave anytime brother all right i'll talk to you soon okay bye okay bye So I'm going to cut out now, brother. You're the man. Thanks for having me on. Absolutely. Anytime, Dave. Anytime, brother. All right. I'll talk to you soon. Okay. Bye. Okay.

Bye-bye. Well, I have some immediate thoughts. I enjoyed my time with Dave. I see this comment, Craig. Can we say hi to Cammie? When she asked for money and I saw his response, I thought it was whatever I picked up from that, I thought it was better that I not, not, not, not bug her. I was just, I was just getting something from the beginning that she wanted nothing to do with it. Like when he said, Hey, we're driving. And he pointed his phone over to Cammie. I was just, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just my own insecurity, but I was just getting something like, Hey, she doesn't want to be involved in this. Or

there was something there between them. Like maybe they had a tough morning. I don't know. But I didn't want to like, if he, if he, if he wanted to include her, that would have been great. Um, I just, yesterday I just watched the video with, um, Heber and Mars, uh, uh, doing a workout with them. It's actually, it's, it's crazy that Hebrew Mars were able to take a zoom call and turn it into a full 30 minute video or whatever it was. I mean, they did an amazing job and, uh, damn, I didn't get to ask him about bands. I wanted to ask him about bands. I really don't like bands, but everyone's using bands, but I just, there's a, uh, uh, a feeling I get from them that just doesn't feel, I just don't like it, the instability of them.

But maybe that's why I should use them. But in that video that he makes with Heber and Marsh, him and Cammie almost seem like they're jockeying for camera time. Like she wants some camera time too, and they're kind of like pushing up to the front of the camera. And I didn't get any of that from her today. I don't think she wanted to be on. I did notice she was wearing braids and she looked fantastic.

Yeah, and a crying baby so fucking stressful it like a crying baby sister even though i didn't even notice the baby's crying maybe because it's not my baby oh well that was good um i feel better i'm glad i was glad i got to talk to dave I didn't want there to be anything weird between us. He's a good dude. You probably see eye to eye different on a little bit on things. For some reason, I just don't have, I'm just not afraid of things like getting sick in any way. but I've never eaten a raw egg. So what do I know? But I do drink raw milk. Uh, all in your head. Oh, good. Good. Nothing. I like better than being stuck in my head. Uh, thank you, Matt. I think that I think some people might take offense to that, but that's good. I I'll take that as a positive comment. Oh no, not worried. Not worried. I just I was just reflecting. All of those comments were just reflecting on the the Craig wanted me to say hi to Cammie. And I wanted to say hi to her, too, but I thought it was better to. Yeah, I think I think I think regardless if I was in my head or whether I'm worried or not worried, I think I assessed it correctly tomorrow.

Who do we have on tomorrow? Let me look at my phone. Let me look at my phone. You see your podcast? Oh, shit. Josh just said our podcast got removed. Okay, I'll fix that. I'll fix it.

I will fix that. Just need to remove Jake Paul part. Jake Paul fight. Damn it. That happened on the new show yesterday too. Okay, let me tell you what the schedule is like. Tomorrow we have Hunter McIntyre.

I'm sure we're going to talk about steroids. He has some pretty strong thoughts and opinions and beliefs and facts and ideas around steroids in the community. We'll probably talk about a lot of stuff. He's an awesome dude. Then on Wednesday, we have Dr. Asim Malhorta. He wrote this book, 21 Days to Immunity, I think.

He is the Sanjay Gupta for some of England's big news stations. He is he did get vaccinated, but he doesn't believe the vaccine should be mandated. It should be a fun discussion with him. Then on Thursday, we have Sage Bergener. That's Mike Bergener's daughter. And on Christmas Eve, the 24th, we're doing a live call-in show and then we got a bunch of crazy people coming up in the pipeline bands have been around for decades you see the comments about CBS yes Nate I'll fix that now tell Sousa to respond to his email if you guys

are still needing apparel help okay thanks Travis brah they were driving and too much stuff going on with that great show on with that word okay guys uh peace and love