The Sevan Podcast - #461 - Lauren Kalil

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

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It looks like you guys are ready to bend the knee. Oh, yes, absolutely. Who is more nervous, me nervous me the listeners or all my boyfriends oh my boy i think you're the most nervous i'm definitely nervous but i'm telling you my boyfriends are nervous my boyfriends my my my my uh harem of men they don't want me talking to Lauren Khalil. They want to keep me in the dark. They want to be my favorite. Dang, you're busy.

Yeah, it's been a crazy month. Holy crap. Do you have an official – what are you doing over there at Morning Choco with video? It's like all of a sudden it's just ramped up and it's like there's multiple videos coming a day and you're interviewing everyone and anything. And I'm just like, holy cow. Yeah. So I manage their whole YouTube page.

So I schedule guests. I bounce topic ideas off of a small staff that we have that has weekly meetings. Patrick Clark, he's one of like the photographers and writers that works over there too. He kind of helps me get in contact with some people. He's just been in the space longer. So when it comes to like networking and stuff, he's really helped, you know, get my name out there, get contacts, things like that. But I try to produce some kind of video content at least five times a week. But obviously, like during semifinals, that was that was very different. Has it always been like that or did you just decide, OK, is there room?

Is there room for there's this term intrapreneurship. Do you know that term? I just learned it. Do you know that term? Intrapreneurship? Yeah. Entrepreneurship. Intrapreneurship. It's like when there's intrapreneurs in a business, like, so when CrossFit started, it was all intrapreneurs, meaning like Greg hired people and then basically you were allowed to do whatever you wanted and people would just work their ass off. Not whatever you wanted. Like you weren't

allowed, like if you were in the media department, you didn't go run over to the training department, but you'd be hired into the media department and they would be like, Hey, we need content. And so people would just, is it kind of like that? You're like just taking the bull by the horns and running with it. Like, Hey, good job, Lauren. And then you're like, okay. So you're kind of an entrepreneur within Morning Chalk Up. Sure. Yeah, I guess you could say that because before I was doing a lot of the written content, I was more or less just a contract worker, just writing talking to again, Patrick, who works for Morning Chalk Up. And he was like, Hey, I think that you could do something with like this YouTube page just with your broadcast experience. And I was like, Oh, like, I don't really know that

I want to like go back to like all that on camera stuff. I kind of like stepped away from that and was, you know, washed my hands of it. But then I started doing it. I got the itch again. And then I did it for a couple of months. And then I basically went to, you know, my boss at Morning Chalk Up and was like, hey, I think that we can like make this bigger than than what it has been and what it is right now. So that's when conversations started rolling kind of around like the Wadapalooza New year time yeah you're murdering it and maybe it's just me but are you getting looser too not only looser like are you coming more like off the script and like i mean look at some of these titles i'm like how am i going to compete with

these guys um start of a new dynasty dynasty um will there be another matt fraser is sarah pastor prime um what happens to teams if rich when if rich froning dies um i edited that one a little bit um i was like i don't know that's our title are are you getting um so are you like are you like a duck you've shaken it off and you're like you're going for it. You're just like, man, I'm flying north. know, interviewing people is kind of all the same skills, figuring out like the content and what really, um, like speaks to the audience is much different. So finding my groove and figuring out, okay, like what works, what doesn't work, what do people actually want to see is, you know, it's all been a learning process. I'm sure. Like when you started this, like a decade ago, it was, you know, okay, let's try this. Does it work? Doesn't it

work? What do people want? It was a God. I wish I was that thoughtful. I wish I was that thoughtful. I was just like, Oh my God, I hope I don't ask this. Oh shit. I'm actually asking this here. Here's what I mean. Um, um um so christian shaw has been in been interviewed by a thousand people and yesterday a clip came out and he's like blown away by what you asked and not only is he blown away by what you asked but you're asking something that seems like it's so far off the script and like like you're present for the conversation and i just don't feel like you see that in a lot of um journalism like there is a you know what i mean like uh 60 minutes we'll do a piece and they want

to show how this car manufacturer is polluting the river next to them and they're like determined to show that whereas i don't do that i'm just like i kind of do that but my thing is i just want to go deeper with someone i don't care where we do, whether we're talking about tampons or being a vegetarian or whatever, if we can go deeper into a subject, I'm content. Yeah. Well, and I just feel like you've started, say that again. I think that's what makes good journalism is you have like a skeleton of the questions you want to ask and you kind of have an idea of where it might go, but you let the person you're interviewing kind of just like lead where, where it takes. And I mean, you're, I'm sure you're always asking follow-up questions on the fly, whether they're scripted or not, or they just are based on the conversation. But you couldn't do that at your last job.

You didn't have the, there wasn't even the time really. Right. Yeah. especially because like with news like there's not really these extended stories you have a minute and a half to compile a story get your point across try to show both sides and that's it if it's a minute 36 those six seconds are getting cut um like like the story you did there's a story in your um real by the way you've done so much stuff it's nuts do you know how many news pieces you've done i have i have no idea it was that five days a week too or was that six or seven days a week what were those jobs you know just so people know what i'm talking about she worked at nbc3 cbs5 um cw6 uh something uh NY Central and Fox 11 and I may have missed some there was a channel 7 in there I saw too yeah so I worked in um Illinois which covered

Illinois Missouri and Iowa the tri-states then I worked in Green Bay Wisconsin um which sometimes like covered a little more than just Wisconsin. And then most recently, I worked in local news, kind of close to my hometown in upstate New York. So that was like five days a week. But I mean, the hours you're working, they range. And it depends. You're kind of always on call for breaking news. If something huge happens, we're understaffed, it's all hands on deck. I would work every weekend. So our staff would always be understaffed. And you would literally be doing everybody's job. I would be going out, getting my own interviews, photographing or getting video of everything I need, then going back, editing, writing,

producing, then getting ready in time to like be on camera, deliver the news, putting stories on the web. Like sometimes I think people don't realize like how many different jobs one person is doing when you're in the news. So I mean, burnout is high. And right now you're obviously seeing a lot of people getting out of local TV for, I mean, so many different reasons. The number of pages of notes I have is how nervous I am. He has a Bible. And anything over two pages means nervous, but only three, only three.

Like, I think the record was seven one time. I was like, seven is like when you know your notes are going to fuck you. I kind of like that you have paper notes, though. I always just have like a Word document on my computer or Google notes. I keep it up there too, but then I have to look over here and I can't fake that I'm actually paying attention to what you're saying. Fair, fair. So, so you, so you, so you, you, you were busy and you know that,

how did you get that first job? How do you, how do you, so you, you, you were busy and you know that, um, how, how did you get that first job? How do you, how do you, um, you just walk in and you're like, Hey, I want to be on TV and do news. How do you get that first job? You didn't internship at the golf channel. Yeah, that was so much fun. Is that the first gig? Is that the first gig? So I, I interned with them and then I interned with the Dan Patrick show. Okay. So those were kind of the two. That's this big sports show.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So I did that. I went to college for sports journalism, broadcast journalism, and then you create a reel. So all of the little highlights that you go out and shoot yourself a view on camera. And then you pretty much send that in your resume to anyone and anyone that will take you. So, I mean, applying to jobs, I applied to over 200 places just to see who would take me.

Wow. And then you get your foot in the door and like from there, it becomes a little bit easier. But I mean, you literally have to be willing to pack your bags and move wherever the job is. Is this guy still doing his gig, the Dan Patrick show? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you learn a lot there? city. I'm trying to think that was maybe 2014, 2013, around that time. Yeah. I mean, mostly of what you're doing, you're getting them coffee. You're like bringing the guests in. You're kind of working as a coordinator for them or basically anything that they need. And then when there's

downtime, that's when, you know, they gave me the opportunity to interview them, get myself on camera with them, those little things that I could then add to my highlight reel that I would send out to TV stations. And in 2014, so you're interning at the Dan Patrick Show, but you're also on the Sacred Heart dance team. Oh, yeah. Crazy. UDT. It was a great time. Is that a private university? Sacred Heart? Yep.

Is it some religious university? It's like some based in some... Yeah, it's a Catholic university, but I mean, you only... It was liberal arts, so you were required to take one religious course, basically any type of religion that you wanted to. Could you pull that YouTube up, Sousa? Oh, God. any type of religion that you wanted to. Could you pull that YouTube up, uh, Susa? Oh God.

So they, they did it. They did a documentary on like a three and a half minute documentary. And you got a little, you got a line in there. You haven't even changed that much. Oh my gosh. This is old.

You really dug deep for this. I'm impressed. Yeah. I was pretty happy when i found the site i'm not gonna lie uh and if you play a little bit i think um you play like 20 seconds we can hear so this is like a three minute 22 second documentary on the sacred hearts uh dance team which is the college that um uh lauren went to in in what state is this in connecticut and you're not in this picture are you no i'm not i wonder where i was actually i'm not sure it's a lot of studying abroad that year it's a lot of women on

this team oh yeah there's only women on this dance team no but i don't mean just women i just mean there's a lot there's like it's like the whole school is on it um yeah our dancing was pretty big i think the biggest year had about 50 of us and every year we like go down to daytona beach for uh dancing nationals that's where like if if you guys are familiar probably not but maybe the netflix series cheer no any takers okay i know what you're talking about i know what you're talking about yeah so like the cheerleading teams go down yeah see come on matt yeah yeah i knew you knew um hit play hit play and i think i think lauren has a talking part right here i don't even have to stop and help each other out to have people pushing you and always

support you. Being like, come on, we're almost there. We're going to get through it. It's really great because it's like you have 40 other sisters for you. The dance team typically practices three times a week. How? Oh, my God, that's so cringe. How are you doing that?

You look adorable. How are you doing that? You're doing the Dan Patrick show. And were you the student body president? I was. What is going on? Yeah, I've I've always been busy like my my jobs now. This is nothing uncharacteristic for me. I love to, you know, set goals and I love to achieve different accomplishments and, you know, do and accomplish as much as I can in my life. Are you nice? I think so. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people in the journalism space aren't nice people.

They're bullies. I wouldn't say that's true. You would or wouldn't? i wouldn't i would say that like some of the people i met in television were some of like the nicest most genuine people but you do get like that group of people that is in local tv just because they want to see their face on camera and they're very like prissy and like i gotta get my nails done i gotta have my hair so perfect and that's just like not me so by they're they're they're like they're beyond i feel like so this is the characteristic guy one of the thoughts i have about journalists they're wait but maybe you're a journalist say that again aren't you a journalist no i'm a comedian there there's there's a okay over assertiveness to them and over persistence to them um they lack boundaries and there's an entitlement to them like what like like they'll call you and ask for

something and even though you'll say i don't want to share it then the next day like hey are you going to give that to me and there just seems to be like this really, I don't know. And I don't know nearly as many journalists as you know, but just people in this field in general, I feel. Maybe it's insecurity, but it comes across as like deep arrogance. Even at the CrossFit Games, when you're lined up in the media pit, there's people who will get out of your way if they're not getting the shot. And there's other people who think that they're somehow entitled.

And even when I was the director of media over there, people would try to bully me. I'd be like, wow, you're nuts. I think it's tough because I don't know that those emotions come from people trying to be a bully. like those emotions come from people trying to be a bully, but more like if I want to get the best shot, I have to be aggressive and I have to put myself first and stand my ground. And again, like it comes to personality traits. Like I would say, depending on the situation,

I tend to be a little bit more passive. I'm not going to like push somebody out of the way to get what I want. I'm going to try to like, almost like kill people with kindness and try to like build bridges, make relationships and use that as my edge. But and maybe that's why I never got to where I wanted to in journalism, because I was not willing to go and knock on somebody's door after their 11 month baby was shot and killed for an interview. Like that's a boundary that I'm not willing to cross. And some people are. Yeah. That's interesting. When I would speak to Brian, I'd be like, Hey, have you spoken to this athlete yet? And he would be like, no, it's at the event. And I'm like, who gives a shit? Go talk to him. But he had that boundary, you know, like he wanted

to give them space. Yeah. It's hard. It's definitely a balancing act. Like I want to be respectful, but you also have a job to do. So kind of maneuvering that, I mean, just comes with time and also a little bit of personality. lucky they get to talk to me when you came when you when you come from something like television that is um there's a a script a process a method and you come over to something like um morning chalk up is morning chalk up more free is it less i what i think of it is I think of all the people in this space as being more malleable, more fluid, the ability to do more things. If that's true, were you okay with that or did that make you feel uncomfortable? I mean, I come, I like my life to be very like routine and, and structured. That's like why I can accomplish as much as I can because I'm very organized. I'm very, uh, almost like military like, but I've never been in the military. I did do ROTC in high school, but that's it. How long did you do that? Um, uh, freshman, sophomore, junior and senior year and high school. Okay.

I want to come back to that. That's, that's a trip that you did that. Okay. Um, but yeah, it's much more freeing to be with morning chalk up because it's, I mean, it's obviously structured, but when you think of like a news organization and like the big company that owns you, there's so many like rules and regulations and like training and like, you're really confined to certain boundaries where now I have so much more freedom and creativity freedom to kind of do what I want, obviously, like with the help and guidance of

others. But there's there's definitely more room for growth in that area. Do you get feedback at the morning chalk up? Yeah. And did you get feedback when you were at the new shows? Yes, but not the type of feedback that you would think. Meaning? So it's interesting. I never really got feedback on my performance, delivery, etc.

It was really always feedback on my appearance and how I could look more relatable to viewers. Oh, wow. You had, and listen, if you want to, if someone wants to go to war with me, I'll go to war with you in the YouTube comments. Oh boy. What a way to start it. Let's go, let's go. I just, I hate it.

Whenever I ask women about their outfits, people are like, you never asked men that. I'll be like, go fuck yourself. I'll ask men about their outfits all day long. Um, well you had a lot of outfits. Oh, I still have a lot of outfits. What do you do with all of that? You have to pay for those. It's a small fortune. What your, your outfits. Um, so eventually I got a stipend, but my first, you know, three to four years, it was, yeah, all out of my own pocket. I watched a bunch of reels that if you go to, um, but my first, you know, three to four years, it was, yeah, all out of my own pocket. I watched a bunch of reels that if you go to Lauren Khalil YouTube station, there are these nine minute reels that are just super dense with stories. It's actually really

cool to see. And there's like a bunch of those. And I, and I'm like, okay, I'm going to find the same outfit. I mean, even your hair changes a lot. Yeah. I couldn't, I couldn't find the same outfit. Yeah. People notice when you wear the same outfit. It's so weird. And, uh, and you're not supposed to do that. I mean, obviously they expect you to, but it's like, try not to wear the same thing for a month. But then like you talk to your co-anchor who's a guy and he's like, I have five ties and that's it.

Right. Right. I only want to wear this shirt. I only want to wear this shirt. I'm so bummed when it's a great shirt. Thank you. So they wanted you to look relatable, meaning just the way you did your makeup and your hair and the way you stood or. Oh, no. Like, OK, so a couple of things. So in our contracts, there's a whole section on appearance. And it goes into like, you cannot cut your hair, change your hair, like do anything to like your hair, tattoos, earrings without approval from basically like five different people from corporate. But then it goes on to say that you also cannot fluctuate within 10 pounds. Your weight. Wow. So yeah, your weight. Wow. Wow. Wow. I never had any conversations about that luckily, but there was this constant debate about my fricking arms that I had to cover them up. They were too muscular. I had one guy that would literally call me every Saturday night after my newscast and tell me, I'm going to find your steroids dealer. I know that you're

doping. You must be a transgender. You have two dicks. Apparently not just one was enough. I have two. Holy shit. Yeah. He would just constantly harass me and I'm like, yup. Okay. Let me know when you find this person. Wow. Yeah. So then management was like, you know, we're getting emails like about your arms that like it's not professional. And mind you, it's not like my boobs were ever hanging out. Like that.

Fine. Right. Right. Literally. And so like I did an experiment where I wore something that was like not crazy, but like a little more risky, low cleavage, but my arms were covered. Crickets. Nobody complained. But when my arms are out, it's like the world is ending.

Holy shit. So weird. Hey, can you imagine watching someone on TV and the colossal effort it would take to go over to your computer or pick up your phone. Yeah. Find an email address and peck it out. I'm trying to think what, I mean, I see the craziest shit every single day and I don't complain. I mean, batshit crazy stuff. So absurd.

Yeah. Yeah. Wild. So then they were like, you know're you're not married so you're unrelatable in that sense you don't have kids so you're unrelatable in that sense and then you're fit and the average news viewer is not fit so literally like nothing about me was like the mold that they wanted a local TV person to be. It's interesting how people recalibrate too.

Because I remember coming to CrossFit and thinking, not anything bad about the women, but I just remember thinking the women were muscular. And now I never think that thought. Right. It's just normal. I've never seen, yeah. I never like, oh, she's really muscular or they're just bodies. It's just normal. I've never seen. Yeah. I never like, oh, she's really muscular or they're just bodies. It's just a pile of bodies now. It's a trip. Yeah. It's fine. I mean,

everything worked out the way it should. It, you know, it stings at first when somebody is like, you're unrelatable because your arms are muscular, but you know, okay. like there could be worse things i suppose um what do you what is the steroids um uh comment made me think of andrew hiller what do you know andrew hiller have you met him i've never personally met him but i mean if somebody doesn't know who he is you must be living under a rock i suppose or maybe it's i think some of us just live kind of in a little bit of an echo chamber. Like there's a small group of us. He said something on one of his videos the other day. He said there's 300,000 people who sign up for the open.

And, you know, in relation, he was talking about how many subscribers he had. And I was like, yeah, it's kind of, we're really, really small fish talking to just a really, a really, aggressive aggressive is not the right word involves initiated. We're a small group of people, but the people we talk to are really initiated and invested. And so it feels like we're talking to like hundreds of thousands, right? We're our own little community. Um, have you ever been asked to do this, the stuff at the games where you interview the athletes afterwards? No, no. Would you do that?

Yeah. You'd be good at it. Do you feel for those people? Those people get so much criticism in the comments. Do you ever watch the chat? Those people get destroyed. I try to learn a lot of comments. I look at.

They're in a tough position. They have like one minute. Yeah. And the athletes are totally disheveled and the comments are just like, that's an ass question. It's like, no one's ever like brilliant work. I mean,

they get destroyed. No one has any, any like love for them. It's too bad. But I mean, it's like any internet trolls, like they're complaining about the person doing their job, but they've never done that job before, so they have no idea.

Right. My comments are usually pretty nice. There's just a few people make fun of my nose. Do you still get criticism for that? But I asked for it. That's probably true. To be all? But I asked for it. That's probably true. To be all fair. I asked for it.

What do you think of what Andrew's doing? His sort of like talk to the camera. I mean, he's kind of found his own niche in the community. He talks to the camera. He's critiquing the judging that the athletes um performances but basically he's he's like he's anointed himself kind of like the judge right i mean that's what he's doing he's just going around judging everyone not not based on their looks or the size of their arms but based on their criteria for keeping the rules in place that allow the function the the the competitions

to function with integrity well Well, I really think what he did is interesting because before him, nobody else was doing that. Nobody was calling people out or bringing to light how many issues there are with standards judging. So I think that him taking this moment to... I mean, he's gained so many people and like i mean you go to any crossfit box right now you ask hey have you seen andrew hiller's video most people that are like in touch and watch these shows have seen andrew hiller and know who he is um and i think like what he's doing brings a lot of topics to light that i think maybe have been like untalked about for too long. He recently made a video of Brooke Wells doing the rope climb. And he he says, I think the video says Brooke Wells has too much power. That's the title of the video. And so there's an insinuation

there that she was allowed to clamp her legs on the rope because of who she is but in the video he doesn't say that in the video he makes it clear that um it that the judge didn't see it or something he says the opposite i don't know i just sometimes i i i can't tell i can't tell if it's um maybe we're just in the early phases of it but sometimes I just think it's not the conclusions that he draws and a lot of people do this that the collusion like he he thinks there's like some sort of collusion at the top like Brooke Wells gets away with stuff because the referees are intimidated by her or the event organizers want her to go on to the games like he goes beyond just being like hey that that girl cheated i think it's an

interesting conversation because you couldn't do that at the morning chalk up uh no because i'm not andrew hiller is andrew hiller i'm lauren khalil representing morning chalk up yeah you can point out she clamped her legs on the rope but you you couldn't be like, and they let her get away with it unless they told you. But he can do that. Right. And I think like that's what people should notice the difference of. And this is not like a criticism to him because I think that there's room for him in the space to do what he's doing. And again, he's brought up so many topics that I think can hopefully create change or make this sport continue to move in the right direction. But he's not held to the same standards as a media company when it comes to fact checking

and making sure that like you do your due diligence and like get all sides of the story before you just put videos out. And again, like I, I love what he's doing. I watch his videos, but that's why he can have such immediacy getting some of these topics out because he doesn't need to go through like an editorial staff. Um, and sometimes like even a legal team, for instance. Yeah. A legal team. That's when, that's when, what's that grunt.

That's when you know, you've made it when you, when you when you have to your stuff has to go through a legal team he he said something to me um that i really liked um i'm reading this book it's um that uh matt delugos recommended it's called thinking like how champions think oh how champions think, I think I've heard of that one before. By Bob Rotella. Did you finish it yet? No, I'm just listening to it. I'm a couple hours through. That's good.

And Andrew said something the other day. He said we were doing the semifinals coverage and it was a lot of work. It was just a lot of time. It was just a lot of time. You guys have so many people on your live shows i don't know how you organize that to be completely we don't we don't it's a complete fucking shit show it's not it's not controlled it's it's cool to see like

how many people you guys can get to come on your live show i do i i admire that that's we just we just spam them in their text just hope someone uncontrollably yeah click the link click the link and it's and it's crazy because you don't want two to come on at the same it's a shit show but and the thing is as long as you're transparent that the audience feels like they're part of the shit show so they're they're okay with it you know you're not trying to put on some sort of veneer but he said at the end i've told this story probably four times now and that's it's he said at the end so everyone else gets off and it's just Andrew and I on, and we're not live. And I go, dang, dude, he goes, what? I'm like, you did all these shows with me. You didn't miss a single show. And he goes, yeah, I hate the thought of you working harder than me. Oh, wow. And, and, and when I

see how much content you put out, I, in that book, that book that book in that book how champions think that's one of the things and i definitely hate the thought of you working harder than me and i hate it like i can't get shane or or tia or i can't there's all this there's like 10 people you've gotten in the last month that i can't get and i i just i'm just uh i don't get angry but i start um you're competitive we all are but that's why it's interesting when viewers think that we all don't like watch each other and there's like this like oh I don't like him and they don't like me and it's like we're all just competitive we want to be the best like so you want to be the best I want to be the best Hiller wants to be

the best nothing wrong with that yeah Yeah. And are you competitive? Oh yeah. About everything. Yeah. About everything. Sometimes to a fault. What do you mean to a fault? Any example? I mean, uh, not off the top of my head because I, I live a pretty lone wolf life. It's me and, uh, I don't know where the dogs are, but I, I set high goals for myself and I want to achieve them. And if I see somebody else is like doing something that might be better than me, I'm like, okay, well, what can I do now? That's going to be better than them. And I like, won't sleep. I'll sacrifice sleep to like, get to there. better than them. And I like, won't sleep.

I'll sacrifice sleep to like get to there. The whole thing is something has happened. I think to the media space around CrossFit, have you seen this guy, Jason, Jason media? Have you seen his stuff? Oh yeah. Yeah. I think I tried to have him on for one of our recap shows, but like timing didn't work out, but yeah, he's doing stuff too. Yeah. Well, he's such a trip and he's got his whole unique like i can't i don't even know how to explain his style it's like hypnotizing

hello i feel like well and his voice is like david attenborough yeah yeah i'm like who the fuck is this guy but he's killing it we can't come with the accent let's be real yeah yeah this guy We can't compete with the accent. Let's be real. Yeah. Yeah, this guy. Yeah. It pained me the other day.

I followed him on both my accounts. Reluctantly. I'm like, I don't want to give you any followers, but I have to. You're too good. Killing it. There's him. And I don't know how new he is. He's got a lot of stuff.

There's him, and I don't know how new he is. He's got a lot of stuff. There's him and there's Andrew Hiller. Oh, and I feel like even I feel like just everyone's like sort of stepped up their game. Everyone's kind of like changing their titles and their software. And OK, we'll get to that. Thank you. Please, please keep feeding me questions. I only have pages worth. Have you noticed, have you,

how, how long have you been working at the morning chocolate? Um, a little over a year. So I started working with them when I was still at the local TV station. And that's, I kind of seeked them out and basically like ask for a job. I was like, Hey,

I do not want to resign my television contract. I'm going to need a job. How can I start working for you guys? And that's when I started contract working for them. It was a year ago this past March. And then I just started taking on more roles as I eventually didn't sign my contract again at the news station. So that's all you do? You're just morning chalk?

You're just CrossFit? No, no. So I also work at my local affiliate. I manage, um, like their media, their social media, and then I coach. Holy cow. Yeah. So both are, well, the gym is like kind of a full-time job, kind of. Um, and then this would be more of a part-time job, morning chalk up. But you're doing videos every day and you have to research the videos gotta make it happen i got goals savann yeah when you were when you were working on the tv shows did you have goals like were you like okay

i want to get onto a nationally syndicated show or i want to have a radio show. My dream from college, even maybe before college, was always to be a morning anchor for the Today Show. I grew up watching them. I loved everything they were about. We would go to New York City. We would go watch the show live.

It was always a huge goal for me. But obviously that changed pretty quickly once you get into television and you realize, okay, like this, this might not be what the big dream is. So when, when they talk to you about your arms, is it, is it face-to-face or is it on the phone? Um, face-to-face and email. Is it, is it, can you tell if the person's uncomfortable?

Oh yeah. My boss said to me like, so there was this anchor position that was going to move me Monday through Friday. He basically told me like, Hey, like we want to move you to Syracuse. Um, we're going to put you in the weekend anchor position, but when a Monday through Friday anchor position opens up, we're going to transition you into this role. Well, the opening happened. I approached him. Hey, hey like how do i apply for this how can we make this happen he strings me along strings me along eventually basically tells me that i don't get the job in person as he's sitting behind his desk and he goes oh like i'm just so nervous you're

gonna beat me up right now i'm just like what like beta who says that like my boss is telling me he's scared i'm gonna beat him up like i can't even believe this is real i can't believe this is real yeah healthy can't have you out there slowing our pfizer sales down we need you to slow down oh man and then he told you you can't be on the air because of your arms you can't do the anchor position um so he told me that that specific position i didn't get because i didn't have the right personality so my arms are too big and my personality sucks you you eventually did you eventually did have an anchor position though right oh? Oh yeah. Yeah. So this was just like, I was the weekend anchor. So I would anchor on the weekend. I would sometimes like fill in during the week, but normally during the week I would go out as

just like a reporter. They call it an MMJ, a multimedia journalist. So I go out with the camera. I find the story. I interview the people. I shoot all of the B roll, the video. I come back, I edit it. I write it, put it on the web, put it in the the b-roll the video i come back i edit it i write it put it on the web put it in the package send it to air i think this arm thing is probably really common with um women in the crossfit space yeah i mean you don't really see that many women crossfitters that women, CrossFitters that are in TV journalism. I know a couple, but, um, I just think that not, not so much anymore, but when my wife first started CrossFit, she, anytime she left the house, someone would stop her. It felt like, like you're just a line of whole foods and someone's like, how'd you get those arms?

I'll be like standing right next to her. I'm like, what the fuck? I don't know how she got those arms. Came out of her mom's vagina with her head with the big muscular eyes i'm just picturing you standing there with some guys that's what your workout routine you go to answer and he's like no sir sorry i was talking to your wife yeah it was like that it was like that uh will you show um will you pull up my uh i don't know what instagram account is on but i took a picture of my of my wife's back at um at disneyland the other day oh back shot and i just i and she she even said holy shit i never see my back before that's really what my back looks like

i was like yeah yeah the people just it's it, it's, it's, it's amazing. I just remember, you know, this isn't my line. This is Greg Glassman's line, but you do CrossFit. And the whole point is, is that your DNA is just going to present itself the way it's supposed to present itself when it's put under stress and hard work. That's it. Your body's just going to turn into what it's supposed to turn into. And the world still hasn't caught onto that, that, Hey, this is just an expression or, you know, we've all heard that line where a girl says, I don't want to work out. I don't want to get too bulky. And it's like, and the response is, Hey,

don't worry. You don't have the work ethic to get bulky. Like, don't worry. It's true. It takes hard work to get like buff arms that, you know, look muscular nutrition, your workouts. I mean, it's not just going to happen overnight. You, you posted yesterday a picture of you in a sauna. That's it. You have a sauna. I do. Yeah. Was that, was that hard to pull the trigger on that? Um, not really there. I honestly don't think they're as expensive as they maybe should be oh oh as they should be i like that how um you're a real capitalist i like that what how much how how much how much was it about two grand but they came and installed it and it's a two-person one

wow yeah you know it's a bluetooth and everything it's great so right before right before i saw that post i watched a video of you where they're where you're doing a news story about being locked in a car and you're in there for five minutes and to see how to see the temperatures and i and i wanted to just i wanted to reach oh there yeah you look oh yeah wow yeah and everywhere your legs look great too yeah she got a crazy body she she's just a it's just a girl's crossfit body you got a bunch of them at the gym but um yeah you go somewhere like that and you're just like and people are staring but it's just like she she doesn't do like she just does pilates crossfit and teaches yoga and breathing

it's not even like that much it's like like a half an hour, an hour every day. That's it. So many people are not exposed to like any type of fitness though, that they see something like that. And it's like not the norm. So I see you in that car and they put you in there for five minutes and I wanted you so bad to be like, fuck you. This is bullshit. CrossFitter sitting in a sauna at 150 degrees for 30 minutes. Shut up. Kid's fine in here. I think this was before my CrossFit days. She's like, when you got in the car, it was 92 degrees. And within five minutes, it was 106 degrees. And your heartbeat raised 10 beats.

I'm like, come on, shut it. We were trying to prove a point, Saman. We want to protect the kids and the pets actually like probably more like gets me angry when i see dogs in a car oh in the summer i'm that one that calls the cops on people i had the cops come i had the cops come and take my um i came back to my car once and and my dog was taken of my car. And there was a note, your dog's at the shelter. Oh, well, why would you do that? Why did you do that?

It wasn't it wasn't a hot day. And the car was parked in the shade and the windows were down. Well, a little bit. And it's a small dog. And we were only gone for we were only gone for nine hours. It wasn't like we were gone like a whole it wasn't an overnighter yeah i'm calling the whole SWAT team on you for that only nine hours so you this this this sauna thing um you use it every day? I try to. Just about every day.

I would say between like five and six times a week. Yeah, I really want to get one. And that sits in your house? Mm-hmm. Yep. So I get home from work. I'll turn it on. I'll go make dinner, take care of the dogs, let them out.

And by the time that routine is done, the sauna is warm, pop in for 35 minutes. We're good. And then do you take a cold shower? Oh, yeah. But I'm kind of a baby with like the cold shower. I try to do like 30 seconds, but it's really like five seconds. And then I'm like turning it hot. I'm like, okay, we're done here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You let it go on your head. On my back. On your back. Yeah. Yeah. I try to do the cold on the head and then it takes a little while to filter through this mat of clay I have on top before it gets to me. Where were you born?

Utica, New York. Do you have any Southern accent in you? I don't know. Do I sound Southern? When I was listening to your news pieces, sometimes I would hear you like this. I would hear you say certain words and I would think I would hear a little bit of a twang. And I was like, oh, maybe she's from the South. No, I think that was like when I lived in the Midwest. I think that just I mean, you're around people with different accents and eventually it kind of blends into your own.

I would say like now I have the most like all American normal, no accent. Then probably when I lived in Wisconsin, oh my God, when I moved back, I would say like the weirdest things. My family would just be like, where did that come from? Like the stuff like you see in the movie Fargo, like that kind of weird, like stuff Canadians say. So yeah, yeah. Lots of like the Canadian like A. Oh. Sprinkled in there. Yeah. Lots of like the Canadian like A. Oh. Sprinkled in there. Yeah, I haven't heard any of that from you.

The lovely city of Utica. Utica. There's an Office episode about Utica. 10 out of 10 probably wouldn't recommend living there. It looks lovely. Yeah. That picture is doing it a little more justice than photoshopped who's the uh who's the uh um worst interview you've done in the crossfit space

the worst interview yeah who are you like they're never coming on again i'm never i'm never saying i'm never fucking interviewing that person again this is a safe space you can speak honestly like i don't think there's anybody that i'm like oh man like i'll never have them on again i would say that like i'm getting a little bit more strict on video quality standards and not like filming on a potato. Right. Driving in a car. But, you know, like I get things happen, but I feel like at some point we need to just like professionalize a little bit. So I try now like to all my guests, hey, make sure you're on a stable Internet.

You know, make sure you're connected to Wi-Fi. Use Google Chrome, like all those things that I'm sure you guys tell your guests as well yeah the thing the thing the i mean i don't mind video quality being jacked up but it's when the audio so there were the you did make those i and i teased you in your dms there was those three there was those three videos with brian patrick and tommy they were short but the but i think it was um the audio was so choppy yeah do you think oh shit maybe i shouldn't publish those so the thing with those if it was just like a normal bottom line segment there have been ones that i've pulled and i'm just like i can't the quality is not there but for those ones it to me it was more of a thing

of consistency like we've done this for all the other semi-finals we kind of set the standard and have to do it right for these ones so it it was picking your battles do we not publish it and then look inconsistent or do we publish it people are gonna shit on the audio yeah and just hope that not all of the comments are terrible um do you get mad at do you get mad at those guys the the regulars let's say if it's someone like brian like in his audio is jacked up would you would you talk to him be like dude you can't do that to me give a little feedback yeah yes yes they've been giving feedback i i tell them i think i told them once you guys are like herding kittens like it's an impossible task i love the kittens so much but getting everybody

like together at the same time audio internet i mean you know everybody's got busy lives so how do you do it so let's say you wanted to have tommy patrick and brian on would you send out a text and there'd be a text read with the four of you? Yeah, I actually sent them all a text yesterday. We're trying to get something organized right now. And don't do that. And and and then you would say, OK, guys, these are the times Wednesday at nine, Thursday at nine or Friday at nine. times Wednesday at nine, Thursday at nine or Friday at nine. Yeah. Like this is my availability. This is the latest that we can do it, but I'd prefer to do it earlier.

And then you just keep your finger crossed that all of them are going to somehow like Patrick might say I'm available for our three. Brian says I'm available for two. Tommy says one. And then you're like, okay, then that's the one. Yeah. And like, sometimes we'll only have two out of the three of them on and like, I'm okay with that too. Yeah. Yeah. I do that too. Invite five people on to make it. You're like, when? Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. Um, and do you guys ever go live? Um, we did for the like open pre-shows that we did. We'll go live during the CrossFit games for a couple of things we were going to for

the semi-finals but since we were covering all three it just came down to like manpower and logistics which we just didn't have like in my mind i i was like we're doing this i'm gonna come up with the game plan we're gonna make it happen and then two days before i like looked at like the schedules when we finally got them and i was was like, I'm literally going to be sitting on this live feed potentially by myself for eight hours. Oh, yeah. That's the one knows that game. Like that game. Like nobody.

Nobody wants to sit and stare at me talking about random shit for. Oh, let's not get carried away. There'd be an audience. That's when I start talking about the vaccine. I don't think the audience I want. You should bring up religion, abortion, politics and the vaccine anytime shit gets slow it's a good riff yeah just go there no once uh the teleprompter went down when i was in uh local tv and like the last thing we were talking about was the pope and mind you i had called him the poop by mistake. So like, not on a great trajectory for this. The teleprompter goes down and my producer in my

ear was like, ad lib about the Pope. I'm like, are you freaking kidding me about the Pope? Do you know me? Like, but you went to sacred heart, but you went to sacred heart. And I went to Catholic school my whole life growing up, but I don't know enough about the Pope to ad lib for five minutes or whatever it was. So that was like not a great day for me. Did you say you were born in upstate New York? Yes. And that's just that's home for you. What is upstate New York?

Like, how far is that from New York City? From those of us who are like five hours. OK yeah i'm closer to canada okay and uh and you have a bunch of siblings two two boys um i have a younger brother and an older sister and uh and and how did you get into dancing my mom actually owns a dance studio in our hometown. Yep. So me and my sister grew up competitive dancing, you know, from the age of three. We both competed in college. She still teaches at my mom's dance studio.

Oh, yeah. That's a cool picture. That's a really cool picture. Thanks. Yeah, that was that. That's a really cool picture. Thanks. Yeah, that was that was at Nationals in Daytona. And so from when you were three all the way to college, you dance regularly. Yep. And then when I lived in Wisconsin, I did teach at a local dance studio.

But then like once I got into CrossFit, I kind of just didn't have the time to do that anymore. And like if my mom asks for help, I'll like go back home and I'll like help out with a class or whatever. But I don't really do it often anymore. What what tell me about what competitive dance looks like. And when you see people like Emma Lawson, like that was her background, too. Does it like warm your heart? Are you like, yeah, girl. Oh yeah. I love when there's other competitive dancers in the space. It's funny because I thought like, because of my dance background, that like gymnastics and body awareness and all of that would like transition.

Not at all. Picked up weightlifting super fast, but gymnastics, I still just like flail around. Interesting. Try not to. What does it look like? So you start Try not to. What does it look like? So you start dancing at three and what does that look like? Tap, ballet, hip hop, all of them. Yep, all of them.

You name it, I've done it. Besides like Irish dancing and stuff like that. But you would and you could. If someone like, hey, we're going to do this every day for an hour, day for 12 days, you'd be an Irish dancer in no time. Pick it up. You can do it. And then, and then what, tell me, I've never even, what is competitive dancing? I didn't even know there was competitive dancing. So yeah, like universities and colleges will have a dance team. Um, and you'll basically have a dance routine. you'll go and compete whether it's like at

nationals like we did but we also would do sidelines so at um football and basketball games we would have like root like 30 second routines that would happen during a timeout or then during halftime we would all go onto the court or the field do a big dance routine stuff like that and did you like that oh yeah it was so much fun i love it um that's why i chose the university i went to there's a video was good oh serious wow okay so they were known for it there's a video um i i don't know if i have it in my notes i don't know if i erased it it's at oh I did erase it no

there was a video of you on a football field no I think I have it you do let's see this oh no no but this is crazy sorry

hold on this is different this is funny. Sorry. Okay. Yeah. Hold on. This is different. This is a, so this, I do have a question about, sorry. So we'll shift here from David. Did you get hurt doing this? No, no. It's a, it's a tuck and roll. This is, I was like, oh, she got hurt and she's hiding it. No, I swear to God. I've been injured on the job, but not during this time. Paint this, paint this situation for us who are these guys and what are you doing here okay so this was one of the um uh i forget what you call it it's kind of like baseball how they have like the triple a double a like baseball teams this is that version but for football when i lived in green bay um so i did like morning live

segments with them before like their season kicked off i was interviewing some of the players they would show me different drills we would get them on camera um and then they showed me one of these drills so we did it on live television this is live yeah yeah wait till you see this guys okay go Oh, there you go. Whoa! Woo! Woo! Scoop it, scoop it. Yeah, baby. Woo! Yeah!

That purple thing you tackled, that could have gone horribly wrong. Yes. I was willing to risk it all for the television. Did you do a rehearsal of that? Oh, yeah. We practiced this a couple of times. Yeah. I mean, the way you hit that purple thing so

hard and you bounce off and like you you barely recover let's see one more time let's see one more time hey are they surprised your game um your uh your co-workers there like when they're like hey let's do this and you're like okay i'll do this are they surprised your game um your uh your co-workers there like when they're like hey let's do this and you're like okay i'll do this are they surprised your game because a lot of the other women and men wouldn't have done it like the running joke was that i should have had my own like tv franchise like along the lines like uh lauren does anything or let lauren do your job or you know watch lauren do this crazy shit because I literally don't really have like limits when it comes to like, you know, I'm, I'm really game to try

anything. And there were so many cool things that TV allowed me to do with opportunities in that sense. So you did, there was a show like that. There was a show that you did. Um, yeah, there was like a, a series of let Lauren do your job for, I think it was like a month long. It was during like a ratings period. Yeah. So they were trying to like boost viewership.

The, the Lauren Khalil do your job series. Yeah. Did you like that? When, what do you come up with that idea? They're like, Hey,

we're going to, we're going to, you're, you're, you're going to do this. And you're like, all right, I'll do it. No. Yeah. For that. I came up with it. or they're like, Hey, we're going to, we're going to, you're, you're, you're going to do this. And you're like, all right, I'll do it.

No. Yeah. For that. I came up with it because I was like, Oh, this is an opportunity for me to do some fun things and not have to like go interview people after they like have a house fire, have their family shot. So this was a lot nicer. Of all the videos I saw, none of them really made me feel uncomfortable except one oh god which one let's go to that one yeah hold on it's not the street hockey it's not the football

oh shit maybe there is maybe there is maybe i was too uncomfortable maybe i was too uncomfortable even write it in the notes yeah there's one where a guy's choking you oh yeah and then i like i think that's the one that i disarmed him yeah it was too it was so it was so intimate oh the dude was shooting a shot First of all, he's a really handsome man and she looks really good. She looks extremely beautiful in it. And he's like, it starts off where she's choking him. I think I found it.

Yeah. And then she's like, let's reverse the role. And then you go against the wall and he's choking you. I'm like, I did like pause it. I was on the assault bike. I was like,

I have pause this. This is making me feel pretty open-minded guy let's reverse the role i don't i don't remember choking the yeah that's the guy oh no it's not this one it's not this one but but um but it's in that it's in this it's in this uh wow you went way back this was my first tv job there's another one where she's with that guy and it's crazy and you could tell he doesn't want to do it like he's happy to have you choke him but when you're like okay i'm gonna let's reverse the role you choke me he's like do you remember that guy no oh yeah That was like over 10 years ago. So you don't know if I asked you, did he ask you for your phone number or anything afterwards?

Actually, there was only one situation ever that somebody asked me for my phone number that I had like worked with. Only one? Oh, yeah. Here's the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go back to the beginning. You got to see where she's this this is the guy uh a little bit more go a little oh this probably doesn't have a joke either yeah yeah normally like the demonstration would be at the end no no i could be projecting

but the whole time all this guy is thinking is oh oh, my God, I wonder if she's going to go out with me afterward. And he's freaking out. Oh, my God. So you're telling me the guy, the guy, the guy who none of those none of those guys like the guy who some of these guys just all look the same to me. They've learned one like the guy who's teaching the kids archery or or the other guy who's like in charge of like the guy who, um, some of these guys just all look the same to me. They blurred into one, like the guy who's teaching the kids archery or, or the other guy who's like in charge of like the storm cleanup. You're telling me none of those guys ever asked you out. No. Yeah. Only I said only one. And it was like a golf guy. Oh, that's what I was going to say. I could totally see these guys being like, Hey, you want to go golfing? So do golf so can i hear the golf story oh there wasn't

much of a story we i did a segment on like this virtual like golf thing and like one of his managers kept giving me a hard time like oh he really didn't want to wake up so yes there it is hold on we'll come back to this we'll come back to this we'll come back to this i want you guys to know this i hope it makes everyone there feel uncomfortable because, uh, cause either that or I'm just a fucked up. So we'll come back to that. I paused it on that one. Yeah. Thank you. It's so fucked up. Like what even is that? I want to be like, you guys should have dinner first or something. That's the best day of that dude's life. That's about it.

Okay. So, so it's a virtual golf thing and they they were giving you a hard time yeah no and his manager was giving me a hard time like he didn't want to wake up because we would expect people to be there at 4 a.m because that's our morning show would start at 4 30 and oh like he didn't want to like wake up super early but he knew you were coming and you were cute so he was like okay i'll do it he's single we should set you guys up. And I'm just like, Oh no, like, please leave me alone. And then like, at the end of it, he was like, yeah, like, I don't know, you should come back and like, I can give you some golf lessons. And I basically was like, yeah, like my brother works at a golf course and I grew up with a golf

family. So I already know how to play. Oh, no, no, no no no to the date sorry when's the last time you went on a date oh not now now we're getting into something um the last time I went on a date um I don't know it's been it's been a minute do you like dating, I hate dating. Yeah. I would, I would hate it too. It's terrible. I'd much rather just go to a party and just get drunk, meet some random person and get drunk. And like, that's the start of the relationship. I don't know exactly like that, but yeah, like I definitely would rather meet somebody authentically for sure i mean it could be kind of authentic that could have been i mean okay we'll circle back to that let's see the choking guy let's see the choking guy and then

we'll get back to it i want i want to make sure that i don't forget because i'm really curious when you picked up crossfit but um okay so so i can't with that screenshot, go to the beginning where he's, we'll go to the beginning where she's choking him. I want you to see how he's so intense. Oh, he's so fucking uncomfortable. No one wants to put their hands on you like that. No, no one, no healthy man wants to touch you like that. Everything in his whole body is saying, don't touch her like that.

Learning to fight off your attacker from a chokehold. Okay. Watch when she flips the script on him. what she says to him okay hit play on this let me watch this this is crazy here to relieve a little bit of pressure tuck my chin to bring the thumbs down and then i still need to work on escaping pause this like he's like dear lord only have pure thoughts dear lord only your thoughts your lord only dear lord only okay go on baseball i'm going to turn and open my shoulders as i swing my arm over to release the hands and then i want to come right back oh he's going to hell for that he's going to hell for that so say that obviously you're a lot stronger than me. If we do a little flip-flop. Oh, God. Your heart rate's at 180.

Yeah. Look at him. Look at him. He should have said, great job. He can't. He's frozen. Right there, he should have been like, oh, my God. So good, Lauren. Instead, he's like, holy he's frozen right right there he's gonna be like oh my god so good lauren instead he's like holy fuck he's freaking out he's having oh my god he's just trying to soak

it in while he can that is so funny i don't i do not have a uh hidden choking fetish i i just i just no there's no i don't have any fetish i'm normal as shit yeah normal um so is that rehearsed did he does he know you're gonna ask him to do that because he he seemed completely out of his like he didn't want to know he knew he knew what we were going to do. Yeah. Would you have dated him? No, no. I don't even know his name. Even better. How happy are you that you don't have to do all that makeup stuff anymore? Oh, you have no idea. I try to plan like as many YouTube videos on one day so that I only need to do my makeup one day.

This is a special occasion. I even put lip gloss on today. You're welcome. Yeah. Thank you. You look great. I, I, I, I, I, um, I have an aversion towards makeup. I'm like really prejudiced towards makeup. Oh yeah like i like i don't mind like um the like the black stuff that outlines the eye that's kind of cool and and is that what it is and then i think lip gloss is cool but but that that the red lipstick and just the when they put the plastic face on i just i i don't i don't don't want, I can't, I can't, I can't, something. So I, I like, I like the no makeup girls and you must be stoked. It looks like a shitload of work.

Uh, you learn to get pretty quick at it, but yeah, I hate putting makeup on. I hate doing my hair. I mean, I, I, I do it, but what if you showed up to the new show and you didn't do makeup? Oh my God. The place had burned down. Yeah. Would not be good. Would not be good. I've definitely pushed boundaries though, to try to not. Does Lauren have a CF man crush? That's totally inappropriate. How dare you? Come on, Jake. Come on, Jake. Come on, Jake. I have a lot too man crush that's totally inappropriate how dare you come on jake come on jake come on jake i have a lot too many to name on one episode don't um is your do you have a favorite crossfitter um favorite no no are you equally are you equally like the boys and the

girls oh yeah i have top athletes that i like i'm i'm both sides i mean i i honestly haven't met an athlete that like i've interviewed that i genuinely like haven't liked yet they're all very pleasant um where like there's people i've interviewed in tv where i'm like man that person was a dick yeah yeah so that hasn't happened yet which is cool so you're so you're living in upstate new york you go to college you do dance you know you want to get into tv you're the student body president holy shit um you're you make the dan patrick show that must have been exciting because that's that's a huge show and um when does uh your path cross with CrossFit? The summer of 2016, I'm on a family vacation. Me and my sister are sitting on the beach, boozing, trying to live our best life.

What were you drinking? What was your drink? It was probably something stupid like Mike's Hard Lemonade, something i would never touch now um i'm okay with mike's hard lemonade and all of a sudden we see our dad walk onto the beach without a shirt and it's like not normal for me to see my dad without a shirt and i'm just like looking at my sister are you kidding me why does he have a six-pack why does he look better than we look in our 20s when he's like 50? TRT. And what was he doing?

CrossFit. Oh, oh, oh. He was doing CrossFit. So if anyone would like to get on TRT, please go to CAHormones.com and use the code word SEVON for your free, free,

free, free, free, free blood work and free doctor's consultation. Okay, sorry. What about your dad? So your dad walks on the beach and you're like, damn, he looks good. And we're young girls.

And what the fuck? And we look fluffy. So what do we do? Well, she does nothing. She, she, she's a horizontal person. She loves to watch TV and chill. My favorite kind of girls. Horizontal ones. Go on.

Oh my God. I knew that was coming. Yeah. I was like, damn it. I teed myself up for that. That's fine. It was my sister, not me. So then I got back to Wisconsin after that trip and I signed up for a CrossFit gym. How did your dad find it? after that trip and I signed up for a CrossFit gym. How did you, how did your dad find it? Um,

he's always been super active, like whether it's golf, he did like the P90X. He has like all of that stuff in his basement. He's done Tough Mudders, Spartan races. He's always just been very active. Um, he unfortunately doesn't do CrossFit anymore because he's got like knees and

hip issues. So there's like, he basically can't squat or do any of that without surgery. Um, but yeah, so he's the reason why I stepped into a CrossFit gym and have been doing it ever since. What was the first gym you stepped into? It was called a CrossFit one shot. I did my on-ramp there. And then, um, when my on-ramp was done i

actually ended up changing gyms just because it was a little bit more convenient um and it was crossfit green bay in your in your shows do you um make ever give opinion i feel like when i think of you in your shows you're you are the one who's just pushing the show forward. You're pushing the show forward. You're pushing the show forward. But do you ever give your opinions on anything that's being said? Like, hey, I think Colton Mertens is not going to do well. I think that it was inappropriate that this judge did this.

When you're on-ramp, you should definitely not have someone for the first time do 50 air squats. Do you ever give, in your shows, your opinion? I try to refrain from my opinion. I, I don't think the purpose of the show that I run is to have my opinion. It's for me to find guests that have the opinions. Um, and as, and I work more as like the facilitator to, like you said, drive the conversation forward. Um, I think honestly like giving my opinion about certain things is like hard for me in this space, not because of what anybody else has like done or said or indifferent. Like I've been encouraged to

give my opinion, but like just working in TV, local news for so long where like you are not supposed to give your opinion. Obviously we see that happening now, which like is a totally different conversation, but like, I've been so trained to like be neutral. Like it's not about your opinion. It's about being a truth seeker and finding the truth. So like breaking from that mold is definitely like a struggle for me. If you could stay completely, if you could stay completely, if you could stay in that mode, you could, you could take someone down. Um, I mean, you could, you could always get to the truth. If you could keep your opinion out and just keep drilling down, what does that word mean? What does the word opinion mean?

And, you know, you just keep drilling, drilling down. And don't let Lauren get involved. I mean, I think you're on the path. That is the path to become the greatest reporter that ever lived. I mean, that's the whole thing, right? The second you bring yourself into it or the other person into it, the conversation has ended. We can no longer go deeper. I don't want to tell people how to feel.

I want to give you the information that I've discovered, and then you decide how you feel about it. Are there things that you sometimes have a strong opinion on and it's hard not to say? I would say less times than more just because I really try to see both sides of the coin. And I, if the information isn't there, I'll seek it out myself. Like, okay, like we're all thinking this right now, but what is the other side? Is there another side? Normally there is some kind of other side, whether it's made public or not, but I mean, sure. I'm a human. It's human nature to have strong feelings about things. But I really work hard to try to see what is the other side of however I feel. When you did that show, Will There Be Another Matt Fraser? And you had Jason Kalipa and Ben Bergeron on.

Were you pretty damn excited about that show? Yeah, that was fun. That was my first time meeting either of them. Yeah, it's a powerhouse show. It's an insane title. They're both so well-spoken. Jason brings crazy energy. Yeah. Just, he's a beast. Yeah. Whose idea was that show? That one, I think that might have been Justin's. And Justin LaFranco.

Correct. And even the title. Yeah. Him and I like work together on some of the titles. So I think we might've bounced back a couple of ideas, but. You have no idea. You do too many shows.

You don't know. It's just all, just a giant smoosh. I'm like, I don't even it's all just a giant smoosh i'm like i don't even remember okay and and then they and then when you set up that um do you do you have a text thread with all three of them on also so it's you and i try to sometimes it'll be me as like the middleman like i'll text one get their availability i'll text the other

get theirs and then like communicate with both of them but like if i can then i try to get everybody on the same text thread and and then uh and then a show like that what are you tempted to do a show like that live um yes and no like the thing is is those shows are so short that i don't know that like you would maximize as much on them from them being live as you would when it's more of like an extended like 30 plus minute show what do you mean maximize well i mean the thing that makes like a live show so great in my opinion is like having like the instant feedback from the people i mean you look over in the comments right now everybody's in the comment section we can pull them up in real time right lauren calil's friend time is killer it's the biggest kept secret i won't tell anybody what my fan fran time is but um but like when you only

have like a show that's between like 8 to 12 minutes that's where like all of the beef of the conversation is happening so then to be able to like interact with the viewers like bring them in for like their comments and stuff it's just like i don't know that like the flow the flow would just be different i feel like it would be a little forced where like, when you have more of more time where it's like 30 to an hour long, you can like play around and have more like room to do that kind of stuff. Like you never have to pee during the middle of your shows, do you? No. Cause they're so short. Yeah. What is the,

what's the longest show you've done? I mean, we had our uh our open preview shows that were an hour yeah it's crazy sometimes i have to pee and it's like yours was almost three hours yesterday yeah i'm sorry i was like holy crap i definitely would have had to pee and not well that one i didn't have to pee i don't know I don't know what's going on with my bladder it's like working again but um oh you know what it was I don't eat on Sundays and so on Mondays yeah I fast I stopped eating Saturday night and I don't eat again till Monday morning and I've been doing that for two years and so when I did that interview I hadn't eaten and so probably like all my shit's like and my shit functions so good after a fast. Like I'm just like, like everything, bladder, brain, everything's

great. Yeah. Do you fast? I don't, I like to eat. So you go into this CrossFit gym and you're just addicted. Oh yeah. Immediately, Immediately. I was like, okay. I joined one of the CrossFit gyms after the on-ramp and everything in November. And I signed up for a competition in February. Literally with no skills or anything. And I was like, I'm doing it. And I was the last. I did the scaled, obviously.

I will never forget. I was the last person on the floor, just trying to get a dang pull up. And it was like, no rep after no rep after no rep. And everybody's cheering for me. And I'm just like, I just want everybody to go away and leave me alone with my judge. I love the community. And I do too. But like my competitiveness just completely took over me. And I was like, I do not love being last right now no no yeah i was joking very strong for me the vultures come around and start cheering

yeah i'm like and and then and then you immediately start pitching crossfit stories to these uh these news stations that you work for, right? Yeah. They didn't love that. They didn't. Oh no. Like the ones that, I mean, some of them they liked and they're like, Oh yeah, Lauren's like the fitness person. It's great. But especially like during COVID, um, I forget what like came out from like the CDC or the health department, but it was basically when they said like, oh, like if you stay active, like this will help you, um, not like fight COVID, but this will, please don't say that word on my show.

Please don't say that. This will help your immunity, um, from like getting it really bad. Getting like, okay. Getting what? The virus. There you go. um from like getting it really bad getting like okay getting what the virus there you go and i had pitched this story like hey this whole time like i appreciate we keep telling people to like wear masks like like wipe down things like six feet whatever but we haven't really encouraged people to like just be healthy so i was pitching this idea that's profound shit i've never like felt so uncomfortable in a news room where i'm just sitting there and everybody is like not yelling at me but just like attack

attack attack and i'm like guys i'm literally not telling you that i don't like believe in this i'm not saying like i'm not saying like, I'm not saying anything. All I'm saying is this could be a good news story that we haven't told yet. And everybody was like, no, isn't it? It's it's well, for, first of all, thank you for bringing that up. Thanks for going to your news people and doing that. I mean, that's like the best story i've heard ever like i like you went you were a reporter for can you tell us what station it was no okay a reporter for a news station you go to your boss and you're like hey i have this idea

let's do a thing on how to be healthy and how it would boost your immune system and help you and there's no better time to to um uh fuck off uh uh there's no there's no i love chase and bill they are great they're great um there's no better time to um be healthy and to um and to work on yourself and work on your movement work on your diet and i think we should do a piece on that what you don't believe the virus is real i mean it was like that like literally like all of a sudden like um not exactly like that but more they were they were trying to twist my words to say that like i wasn't encouraging people to wear masks which like never was said i was like i'm not saying that i'm'm just saying like, yeah, we can keep masking, social distancing, whatever. But I also think we should like be prioritizing health.

Leave the room. Hey, on a side note, this book that I'm reading, it's so funny when people say stuff that they don't even know that they're saying. I think this book is old. This How to Think Like Champions by Bob Rotella. Yeah. But he talks about the,

my big huge problem with the masks is this. You're telling everyone around you that something's really, really, really wrong by wearing a mask. That's what you're doing. And the most people I know would be like, that's not true. But man, when you read this book and you read about how the subconscious and the conscious mind work, it's like, this guy's basically saying that someone walks in the room wearing a mask and it fucking speaks directly to everyone's subconscious. I mean, he did. That's not what the book's about, but like you start to see, like we have a profound impact on everyone around us. You light up a cigarette. You're telling everyone around you that smoking is okay. There you're telling their subconscious that

everything that we do has a profound we're all role models and uh i i just appreciate you know you don't hear you don't hear that story and and you know they made fun of they make fun of um uh both sides did it they make fun of marjorie taylor green for saying that crossfit will cure you of you know protect you from covid and they made fun of the fucking guy um who was the guy who was the news anchor at CNN who was in a cahoots with his brother that, um, that guy, what was his name? No, I'm just like, what is with you and the word cahoots? Oh, I just, well, I just like it. How much do you love that word? Well, I like it even better. Cause he made that shirt with the hooter shirt.

Now, when I say the word, I see that picture. I just think it means boobs. But he that guy, the right's attacking the guy on the left for working out. The right's attacking. They're attacking each other. They both have these role models who work out the right and the left. And instead of embracing them, they're shit on for it and it's like dude those were the like why why are you shitting on someone for making themselves better i i man um but you did do a bunch of crossfit

stories how many did you do you did a bunch more than one two three five yeah i would say like in like within a four-year time frame i probably did like five yeah that's cool yeah yeah it was super fun anytime like there was something relevant i tried to pitch it and say like yeah i already have it set up i already the people know that i'm coming i have my interviews we're good the news is that the news is really like when you look at your reels it really is just like a fucking shit storm of bad news it's so depressing and i and i can't like be mad about like the news industry for it because like unfortunately there is so many bad stories to tell and those obviously like need to take priority over like the nice feel good story. If it bleeds, it leads. Yeah. Look at Andrew Hiller. Look at Andrew Hiller.

Right. Right. That's, you know, what people want to see. That's what is important to their life and their safety and their kids and all of these other things. But I mean, I just didn't want to do it anymore. I was like, my life is depressing. Like I go home, I can't get rid of it. I go to work, I can't get rid of it. Let me show your favorite athlete, the darling of CrossFit, Brooke Wells, cheating on a rope climb and fucking people flock. Hey, someone said that she was cheating.

I don't think she gets, but I don't think that's cheating. What, can you pull up the definition of cheating man i think like i i i don't think like if you if you if your legs squeeze together on a rope at the top because you're fucking tired that that's cheating i think that's something else like i can't i can't ding her for that act dishonestly unfairly in order to get yeah we don't know we don't know if she was being dishonest only she would know that at the end of the day it is the decision of the judge lauren cleo from morning choco pespo i mean we can debate it until our faces turn blue but i mean i know that like when i'm doing wall balls if my feet are just a little bit wider i don't get below parallel i get too

parallel that if they're just slightly in then i hit parallel if i don't have a judge telling me i don't know it's not because I'm trying to cheat. It's because I seriously cannot feel the difference. So you agree with me? She wasn't cheating. Oh, yeah. I don't believe that she was actively cheating. Hour and 24 minutes and 29 seconds.

Lauren Clill gave her opinion on Brooke Wells in regards to her. Clip it. Clip it. Clip it, yeah. Oh, God, this is the only part that you'll see on social media. That's it. No context either, just straight opinion. No, none. And at some point, when you were doing this news media stuff you're like man maybe i should maybe there's some media in the crossfit space why did you didn't you think maybe i should go hq

and charlie doobie and that route but instead you went the morning chalk up route i mean i guess those are the two it's either morning chalk up or games those are the two places where media is done basically where you can you can work and get paid no one on my show gets paid shit well do you know what local tv people make they make dog shit my first job twenty four thousand dollars a year how do you live off that i could apply for food stamps if i wanted to wow damn yeah yeah how did you live off of that? Did you live at home? No, no. I was on my own in Illinois. I mean, you literally like go and buy the happy meal at McDonald's. That's what you do. Are you very unhealthy? Are you good with money?

Much better now. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Me too. I'm much better now. I used me too i'm much better now i used to be horrible okay um so how do you do so so you're tell me you're in 2020 you're you're working you're just working your ass off on new shows and when does it you're like maybe i can do this crossfit stuff full time it's it's funny you say that because honestly like that thought never really even crossed my mind in my mind i was like i'm willing to literally take any job right now to get out of television like i was applying for jobs that i wasn't even qualified for like the most random like jobs um just to get out of television and i knew that i like my, like part-time job at morning chalk up. Um, but I didn't like think. And you were writing at that point you were writing. Yep. At this point I was writing for them. Okay. And I was like, okay, is there a potential that

we could like make this full time? Like, what can we do? Because I'm as of the end of May, I'm unemployed. And I was technically like unemployed besides like my part-time job with Morning Chalk Up for a full month before. Because you quit your news job before getting another job? Yeah, like the timing just didn't sync up. And the problem with like a news job, you have to sign a contract. Like they don't like give you this grace period like we'll keep you for an extra month until you find a job. They're like, Nope, you either like are done May 30th or you sign another three year contract that is binding. And the only way you're getting out of this and we're not suing you is if you die.

And I'm not kidding. Like, I'm not kidding. I know people who have been sued for breaking their contract and they are in such great debt. It's sad. Wow. So, yeah, you do not re-sign that contract unless you are very confident. Wow. Just like, okay, if I get like a top 10 market and move to like this job or, you know, little things like that. But most companies won't say like, I want a complete out of the business. Most of them, you won't have that in there. So, so you're scared.

That was a scary month. Yeah. I was like, I've been doing this for almost a decade. I don't know like that. I have any other skills besides like being a reporter and like interviewing people. What the heck am I going to do? Like, I know that I'm like personal. I can like talk to a wall if it would answer. So like, how can I try to use like my communication skills to, to find a job? Um, and yeah,

luckily it all worked out out but it was a really scary time for a while it was it was even a little bit of like an identity crisis like oh my god this is what i've done this is what i like what's your college for like did i really waste all of this time um luckily i didn't because like it certainly helped me with what I do now. Was there a point that you ever felt after you were doing, so you graduate from college and did you call yourself a journalist already? Like I would, I'll give you an example. I would meet people who I would have made, like I had made like five movies and I would meet someone and they would be like, I'm a director. And I would, they'd be like, what do you do? And I'm like, I make movies. And I still didn't feel comfortable like calling myself a director. They'd never made a movie. I had made

five movies, but I was still not comfortable. Like I didn't think I was a director. Did you, was there a point when you're like, Oh, I'm a journalist? Like that you turned into it or did you fake it till you make it? Or did you still, did you never feel like a journalist? I think I always felt like a journalist. You did. Okay. I even look at like growing up and stuff. And I've always been somebody who was super inquisitive. And I've always like been somebody who asks like a million questions.

Like even when I'm at like my local affiliate, I will ask like seven questions to people before like they even get one question about me. I'm just genuinely like interested in other people and i'm interested in like other people's stories and like what they bring to the table and like why they're doing certain things so so so soon as you so you embodied that role yeah for sure and then so then you do it for 10 years and that's where the a little bit of the identity crisis comes. I'm very familiar with that also when that shit fucking gets pulled out from underneath you.

And then at the time you're doing like maybe an article a week, an article a month for Morning Chalk Up, Justin would just call you or someone would call you over there and be like, hey, can you do an article on so-and-so's shoes or and you would write it or. Yeah, I mean, I would I would pitch different ideas to like keep writing. And then there was like a transition period where like right before the games and then during the games, I was actually doing the newsletter for morning chalk up. So there was a point where I was like full-time for them. Um, then after the games, it just like, wasn't really a great fit for me in this like editorial role. And that's when I kind of transitioned back into part time. I took kind of the full time job at my local affiliate and then like through trial and error eventually like took over the YouTube page. Did you feel like it was a step up to go to Morning Chaka or did you feel like it was a step up in your career to go to morning chaka? Like, okay. Like in your career path, like, okay. Maybe career paths, not the right word in your life.

Like, okay. I'm really doing what I love now. Yeah. Yeah. Like the, I, as much as like, sometimes the stresses me out and I'm like, holy crap. Like I haven't slept. Like I haven't seen my family in weeks when like, I normally see them every week sometimes twice a week but like it doesn't feel like work to me I don't feel like the type of burnout that I felt from the news station where oh my god I really don't want to go into work today and be sent to excuse me but like east bum fuck to walk the streets to interview random people who don't want to talk to me. That doesn't sound like fun. Right, right, right. So yeah, like now it's so much fun. It's kind of crazy because like, I never thought like, even when I started CrossFit, that it would ever turn into like a career for me. I never really like thought that was an option. And you, did you ever, have you ever applied with the games team have no one over there's ever reached out to you um you would be so good at that um at taking that

abuse from the people in the chat doing you'd be great on you'd be great on the floor skin do you like uh uh j do you know jamie hagaya yeah hagia yeah hagia yeah she's great yeah she's great right yeah she's awesome yeah she kills that shit yeah she's been on a couple episodes of the bottom line with us oh she has okay so you know her nor you've talked to her yep yep her and i messaged back and forth on different things um i could just see you doing that they um i think that's like one of the areas that if i if there was more sideline reporting um uh it would be fun um for the games um the games feed so like and i don't mean to compare my fucking piecemeal fucking monster mash show to them but like when the semi-finals are going we'll have

people who are just fans like will plumber or even brian's done it a bunch of times they'll just be at the venue and they'll just come in on their cell phone and i'll be like hey where are you they're like i'm in the stands like if the games did that they didn't just wait to do the sideline reporter before and after they could have jamie or you down there during the event and be like, notice how close the reporter, the cameras are to Patrick Vellner with that handstand pushup. Oh my God. Did you see what I posted last night? I stole it from his YouTube video. That was wild. That's crazy. That photo got close. Yeah. i kind of like i hated him when i when it

happened and now i kind of love him i want to give that guy like a raise i mean the balls on that dude yeah yeah can you play it's on seven rinsta it's nuts like i only wonder what patrick was thinking in the moment and i know that like you talked to him and I forget what he said, but like, man, that was wild. I cannot believe that the photog did that, but I mean, it made for great video. The camera is huge. Yeah, those are the things too. That's what life's about, right?

Like if Pat can go back, like you don't take that moment. I mean, look at this. This is nuts. He steps forward. He steps forward. He steps forward. Look at the footwork of the cameraman, too, as he goes by. He knows what he's doing.

Look at Pat. Okay, let's look at his footwork. I didn't even look at his footwork. Is it nice? Is it like a moment? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at him. Look at him.

He's like, look at that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's trying to sneak by like he like if he moves his feet like that the pats won't realize he's there he's like how to sneak on by lauren i'm i'm wondering if someone in the truck was like hey dude you're on the wrong side like in his year no i think he's just out there vibing i don't think so i just think he got too comfortable i think he i think he took a few risks and he's like fuck it i'm gonna do a pan a super close pan across his face i mean does does he he knows um like they're like he knows he's camera seven right

camera guy was on sacred heart dance you know what i think he thought maybe if he did something bold like that we'd have him on the show it'd be like here we have the camera guy and we have pat velner everyone's trying to get on the show i watch that so he know he knows in his ear they're like hey we're live and camera six we're on you so don't do anything stupid i mean he knows in his ear, they're like, hey, we're live. And camera six, we're on you. So don't do anything stupid. I mean, he knows they're on his camera, right? Yeah, and his boss is probably like, damn, that's a good shot.

Look how intimate that was. Oh, my goodness. We could see every pore in his face. Oh, man. Are you going to the games this year? Hell yeah. And what for, what will you do there?

Oh, Savan. I hope you're ready to keep up, man. You better start preparing now. Oh wow. What are you doing there? You're making me nervous.

What, why, why are you going there? I got to go in 10 minutes to, to jump on a call about our game plan. So I hope that you're getting ready. Yeah. Yeah.

We, we have a huge meeting also in nine minutes. We actually do though. We actually do. What are we, what are we not about that though? It's probably like to get, try to get free coffee from Gabe or something.

What, what are you doing there why can't you just stay at home and like just do your shit from there why do you have to like go there savann yes tell me if somebody is working in the space for the nfl oh this is gonna hurt my feelings this is gonna hurt my feelings this is gonna hurt my feelings keep going you think that their ass would be home during the super bowl oh damn we were just chatting about this last night you take the financial hit and you get your ass to madison oh man are you not going no fuck no but suzy yesterday's like hey we uh one of our sponsors bought us two uh got got you two tickets to go to the games and it's the best call of cm

seats and this and this and this are you going to me i'm like hell no send hillar damn you're seriously not gonna go why what's what's your big like stink about it? I have to, I can't go there if I'm not working. And you're not going to work when you go? No. If I went there, I would be, I don't think I, well, I mean, if I, if I could figure out how to work there, but I'm just so, I'm just so comfortable working here. In the RV section. Yeah. I would do that. RV section is fun, I would do that. The RV section is fun. I would do that. Oh, so you do have a meeting? Tell me about your meeting in nine minutes. No, you're not part of the meeting.

This is my competitive edge on you, Savan. Come on. It's not fair. You have a big team. It's not fair. You have a big team, too. You have Sousa. I do have Sous thank you i'm just gonna go to the games and interview everybody right after you do or i'm just gonna follow you around

people people in local tv used to do that and it pissed me off i would go up to them hey can i grab you for an interview and then the other tv stations and i'm just like no box them out hey don't think for a second let me tell you something maybe i'll get choked at least once a week i go over i i stay on top of your shit and i will be like oh if i see someone that you interviewed i will for sure just right after interview them contact them hey we call my show there's no shame in that everybody does that 100 and another thing is if we're doing a um if we're doing some sort of like show some if taylor calls and is like hey let's talk about this i'll be like sure and then i'll just go straight over to morning chalk up and i'll watch your three shows on it and then just write down notes be like lauren said

tommy said this yeah and i just say it on my show over at morning chalk up i learned that and just do my just do it yeah hey hey you do give us credit so if if you give the source then yeah go ahead and do it who cares i do my whole show all my game shows i go over and steal from other people plagiarize oh my gosh man i can't believe i can't believe you feel like a journalist well what do you think i am i mean believe you feel like a journalist. What do you think I am? I mean, I think you are a journalist too. I just wish I knew what it felt like.

I just don't know what it feels like. I don't know. You're a journalist. You prepare notes. You fact check. A little bit. Do you get stressed every time you do a show? Like about a healthy stress?

I don't know. I definitely don't get like nervous. I get more excited. Like I'm excited to like hear what this person has to say and get to know them better. I would say that is kind of like the overwhelming emotion. Like I do, I try to do this show every morning at seven. And when my alarm goes off at six, well, usually I get up like about five 50 and I'm like, okay, go back to sleep, settle down.

And then my alarm goes off at six, but I'm so excited. I guess you're right. I'm maybe nervous. Isn't the right word. It feels a little nervous. A little part of me wants to run away and always not want to do the show. But I'm so excited to wake up. I'm not like, I'm never like.

Who are you interviewing today? Nobody today, but I have stuff scheduled to come out all week. I just got to do that when I'm done with this. Who are you interviewing tomorrow? You'll have to wait and see. I got to keep you on the edge of your seat. So good. You just don't know how much some of that stuff is going to bug them. I just am constantly going to plant seeds in your head to make you stir and think.

I can't, I can't stand how hard everyone's working everyone's working hard too the the coffee pods and wads guy the the this jason media guy you everyone's just just working so hard um and that's the that's the thing with the space everyone loves crossfit so much so people are starting to i mean it's um there's only there's only three things i do i work i work on this podcast. I am concerned and I, and I work on my health and I work on my kids and that's it. Those are great. Yeah. Those are, those are all good cups to have full. Those are only, but, but you only work on two things.

Your show and your health. She's also my show, my my health the media at my gym um the i coach my dogs oh good i'm gonna win i'm gonna win for sure you're trying to bait you with that one how many hours a week do you coach hey do you know um only two you want to this show is huge right now i can't believe how popular you are lauren is it yeah there's 430 people watching right now i was wondering like who wants to hear what i have to say a lot a lot of people yeah this show is huge um you went to africa yeah i was six months you went to nambia namibia namibiaia. Yeah. It's right next to South Africa. And you had a pretty intense romantic relationship there. No, I didn't. Like what?

I was like, Oh, there's a guy. There's a guy that got a disproportionate amount of Instagram time relative to other people. And I just thought part of the group that I traveled with, I just thought I'd take a stab in the dark. I thought I'd take a stab in the dark. Take a page out of my, take a page out of my boy,

Andrew Hiller's book. Just take a stack. Let's take a, let's take a stab in the dark. I'm looking to see how many. You've got two minutes to ask any other burning questions. That's what my wife told me. 900... Oh, it's because you said

the C word. I have to request a review. This thing's already been flagged. Uh-oh. We're under the eye. Thank you for your time. When you go into this meeting, don't you dare let anyone say anything bad about me. Defend my honor. Do you think that we just sit around talking shit about you?

No, no. They have better things to do. But they're definitely going to crack. There'll be a few jokes. There'll be a few jokes. A few jokes. No, this was honestly super fun. It was great getting to know you guys on a more intimate level.

Good, yeah. I harassed you. I'll tell you. So I harassed her in the DMs a little bit. So did you ever think, okay, we only have one minute left. It's 40 seconds. When I first heard saying your name on your podcast, did you always brace yourself like, oh, fuck, he's going to be an asshole to me?

I never really knew what to expect, to be honest. Yeah, me neither. I was like, oh like oh god i'm glad i didn't say anything bad about her i'm glad that you didn't you were always very kind you really were i think i i'm gonna try dick this was this was okay i'm gonna be very honest with you right now okay and and slightly arrogant all right let me take a sip of water. This show was a form of courtship slash interview process that you don't even, you're unaware of. All righty. All right.

On that note. You're just going to leave it at that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for coming on. Okay. Thanks, guys.