The Sevan Podcast - #491 - Dr. Amy West M.D.

Episode Date: July 16, 2022

Amy West is a sports medicine doctor at Norhwell Health, the team physician for Hofstra University, a L1 CrossFit Trainer, and a representative of CrossFit Health. We probably missed a few things. Basically, she's the best. Welcome to this episode of the Sevan Podcast! Sign up for our email: https://thesevanpodcast.com/ ------------------------- Partners: https://cahormones.com/ - CODE "SEVAN" FOR FREE CONSULTATION https://www.paperstcoffee.com/ - THE COFFEE I DRINK! https://www.hybridathletics.com/produ... - THE BARBELL BRUSH Support the show Partners: https://cahormones.com/ - CODE "SEVAN" FOR FREE CONSULTATION https://www.paperstcoffee.com/ - THE COFFEE I DRINK! https://asrx.com/collections/the-real... - OUR TSHIRTS ... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I did this workout the other day, and I feel like my whole body feels inflamed from it. It was like a real CrossFit workout. I did that workout that other day and I feel like my whole body feels inflamed from it. It was like a real CrossFit workout. I did that workout that Hobart suggested I do. That was hard. Good morning, Athena. Good morning, Athena. So I, last night or this morning, this way, excuse me, last night or this morning. I can't remember. Um, by the way, we are having Amy West on today at some point.

I believe it will happen. Uh, last night I logged into my Instagram account. I didn't even log in. I just clicked a little icon on my phone. Is that what it's called? Icon picture. account i didn't even log in i just clicked a little icon on my phone is that what it's called icon picture and uh good morning mlk5240 frank good morning i clicked on the the icon and it said my account had been suspended i don't really think that that um i don't think when i think of the word suspended i guess i should look up it means that they're going to give it back to me, but I don't think that's the case.

Right. Suspended. Oh, I should change my. This at sub-Omitosian you see on the screen here. I don't think this is. I don't think that's a good account anymore. I think that account might be gone forever. It's weird.

It kind of lets me look at it, but not really. Oh, I don't even know how to get to my other account does anyone know my other account is it sevan rinsta with an r sevan r-i-n-s-t-a is that i don't know if that's it anyway the account's gone i always want i kind of i always wondered how that was going to feel when it's gone. Savon Rinsta. Okay, yeah, that's my only... That's my only... Can you believe there's another Savon Matosi on Instagram

and they have like an accent over the E? It looks like it's like a Latin dude. He's got a sombrero on. Or he's used cultural appropriation. Oh, shit. a sombrero on or he's used cultural appropriation oh shit and i can't even get to my seven rinsed account it says this account is private what the fuck is going on can you guys see any of my accounts anyway i think i i think i got i think i got tossed off of instagram last night hi good morning hey what's up man is that your house yeah this is my apartment yeah that's cool yeah it's pretty dope you can see manhattan back there

that is that is so awesome yeah it's pretty sweet do you have one of those um i was gonna call it a bidet but it's not a bidet. It's a bidet. What's the place where you go downstairs and you can buy a plastic? Oh, a bidet? Yeah. You have one of those nearby your house? In this area, not so much, but they're not that far. Maybe two, three blocks up that way. Yeah.

So if you're hungry 24 hours a day, you could just go get a box of pineapples or whatever. Yeah. I mean, you can get anything you want out here. Yeah, for sure. Wow. Hi, welcome. What technical issues did you have this morning? My computer, like, decided to update last night, so then it, like –

Ah. And then, like, it just was, like, not – it just was, like, loading for, like, 45 minutes, and I was like, what the fuck? So I was like, hopefully it gets done soon, but let me just get this crap off my table. But – No, no, leave it. Don't leave it. Leave it leave it i like it let's have some what's in that green what's in that since you're freaking out i'm gonna make you freak out more what's in that green box behind your head what's in what's that your knitting supplies no dog dog toys fucking sleuther you are you are should i put my instagram handle there instead maybe i'll do that how do i change the name that's on here um i think you just click on the box on the blue part

once or twice do you see it down there i can do it too what's your instagram handle oh do you found you found it yeah i found i got it all right we'll do that hey have you ever gone back and watched the podcast that we did together in 2018 i've seen pieces of it yeah pretty uh pretty crazy yeah i watched it last night and i and i was like yeah it's gonna be very arrogant what i'm about to say okay uh man it was man it was a good podcast yeah no i mean i i think the best part of it for me was like at the end when you were like it's something like physiatrists are crossfit practitioners and they don't even know it and

i was like yes that's the you got it you know after after like two hours we we got there and i was like yes and that's what you be a physiatrist that's yeah that's technically what i am but people don't know what that is. And it's confusing. Yeah, tell us. By the way, I can't even I had picked all these Instagram posts that you had made to show on the show. And last night I got kicked off of Instagram. I'm logged into Instagram on my computer. I can't even get access to it. I can't get access to your account on my computer because it says the account I'm trying to use. It's a fucking mess. Have you ever been kicked off of Instagram? I haven't. I'm not as controversial as you are.

I know. I feel pretty cool. It reminds me of CrossFit Health. Their tagline was, let's start with the truth. Do you remember that? I have the T-shirt that says it. Yeah, let's start with the truth. Okay.

So I feel like that's my pedigree. Yeah. Let's start with the truth. Okay. So that's, I feel like that's my pedigree. Yeah. So what's a physiatrist? Physiatrist. So doctors of physical medicine and rehabilitation. So that's kind of the long term for it. But we are physicians that focus on physical function and uh essentially the physical effects of disease processes on the body so um but you know how how things affect people's physical function that's kind of the that's a psychiatrist so that's that's often confused for. Good job, Seve. Good job. Darn it. Okay, spell it for me.

P, let me write it down. So it is P-H-Y-S-I-A-T-R-I-S-T. Let's Google it. Okay, okay. There we go. When I want to know if someone's a real doctor or not i always this is this is my litmus test um can you prescribe drugs yeah okay yeah i'm an md if someone needed something you could like write it on a sheet of paper and then they could go to the drug pusher. Okay.

Physical medicine and rehabilitation. What's that mean, physical medicine? Oh, physical, like, okay. So like, no, what does that mean? Physical medicine and rehabilitation, also known as physiatrists, treat a wide variety of medical conditions affecting the brain, spinal cord, nerves, bones, joints, ligaments, muscles, and tendons. Maybe I just need to know like why someone would come visit you. So, I mean, we are pretty broad. So what I do most of my time is I'm a sports medicine physiatrist.

So I treat aches and pains and injuries that are essentially orthopedic stuff that's non-operative. So if something hurts you and you want to feel better i i do that um so people would come to you before they have their soul their uh they see um what's the doctor's name shit i can't remember his name why am i forgetting the guy the guy who's the orthopedic surgeon um for uh uh crossfit he's the head doctor yeah just a rocket yeah yeah so they see you and then you're like oh you're fucked go see sean yeah so if i think you need um something rebuilt then yeah you get hit by a car he's the guy to see but 99 of stuff that comes through an orthopedic office

is non-operative so your knee hurts your back hurts this thing aches a little bit need an injection need physical therapy that's i'm the i'm the i do all that i do all the joints and stuff injections and all that kind of stuff why did you choose um that path did you have something that you wanted to fix on yourself no well i mean i i've always been kind of like athletic and stuff so i wanted to work with athletic people. Oh, come on. You played softball. Let's not, let's not get carried away. Did you say athletic?

Oh yeah. Right. Right. Wow. We went there. We did. But no, but I've been playing all kinds of things my whole life. So yeah. So then I just wanted to work in sports, but didn't want to go into surgery because surgery

is a bit of a long it's a long haul it's it's a lot it's a lot so i said how else can i do this without being in training forever and hating my life so and then i found i found physiatry and crossfit kind of the same time so you know it's the it's the where doctors of function and crossfit is the sport of function so it kind of it kind of worked out nicely a lot of the same goals in mind um who um how old were you when you started med school how old was i 20 that's a hard question uh 24 25 i was a little bit later than people normally would be because i worked in television and stuff.

As I know the story, you went to NYC medical, NYC medical school. You went to NYC film school. NYU. Yeah. NYU, NYU, NYU. Thank you. It's going to be a long morning for me. I can tell NYU film school. And I, and I fancy myself as a filmmaker. So, and that was the place to go. Like if you, if you wanted to be a filmmaker anywhere, uh, as a young man or young woman or young, whatever, uh, you went to NYU film school. That was like the creme de la creme.

And then you, and then you, and then you worked over in London at the BBC and over there, you found some, you didn't like it. You were, you're like,'re like okay this isn't me so then you decided to go back to you went to Columbia University and filled in the missing prerequisites and buffed up your resume and then you applied to go to Harvard Medical School and got accepted and you started that journey yeah I mean so yeah just that's pretty much the story yeah yeah well yeah give me some juicy details that i skipped uh um well i mean i was working in like music television i did that in new york uh for a little bit i did that in london for a little bit when you say music television you mean m like mtv god you make it sound so it's mtv people don't let her trick you music television remember the show trl everybody remember that so it's mtv people don't let her trick you music television remember

the show trl everybody remember that show i worked on it i don't remember that show we talked about that in the in the pap in the other podcast too matt knew it yeah it's i mean it was like i worked there kind of after it's like big heyday but um okay like when i was in high school that was like the thing but um and then yeah so then i went to and then i got kind of a little bit disillusioned with uh with television industry as one may because it's a lot of bouncing around and doing stuff that wasn't all that it fulfilling um then i yes then i went down to columbia and then i i became a surgical videographer for a while so i was in ors like filming surgeries and making video little videos like instructional

videos um and that was kind of like a nice bridge between the two for other surgeons so someone would do a surgery you would film it and that would be part of someone else's education yeah so i was like in the ors filming surgeries and then I'd edit them together. And then the surgery videos were used for like, um, like educational purposes for residents and stuff to learn how to do the procedures. And is that, do you ever throw almost throw up in there? Like you're like, no, not, not during those procedures. It takes a lot for me to get that way. But, uh, I think like only a handful of times during like my actual medical training i was like okay this is this is really gross but um uh visual or smell like for me it would be the

smell like i'm pretty good looking at anything but if i smell something a little crazy i could get a little uncomfortable like uh uncomfortable in my own skin no there are definitely like some smells and stuff that are not are not cool but i think the one thing i saw during residency that was kind of gross was like uh like surgery on an eyeball like when you see like an eyeball get cut like that that was like that that hit me that was hard i was like hey what is that is that because um is that something like deeper because we're all just mirrors here like like you know when you see like a fish come out of the water, someone catches a fish and you see him kind of like gasping for air and like it kind of hurts your heart or like or I've even heard hunters say like you shoot down an animal and like you're glad you got a party who doesn't like it either. Do you think when you see the eyeball cut, the reason why it's uncomfortable is because you have these flashes of it being your own eyeball.

Yeah, I mean, there's an element of that. I mean, certainly like or like watching like gynecological procedures. It's like a little bit for me, whereas like I can see. I mean, like on the men and I'm like, whatever. Gynecological is like on the vagina. Yeah, yeah. You know, what kind of mean like on the vagina? I'm like, whatever. Gynecological is like on the vagina? Yeah. Yeah. You know.

What kind of procedures happen on the vagina? The vagina is perfect. It doesn't – only babies come out of there. There's no procedures down there. I mean, that's not exactly – You guys don't have a foreskin that needs to be removed, do you? God, we're poor. That's a pretty traumatic event that can happen.

It's a pretty major event. But happen. It's a pretty major event. But, I mean, other things get done. But, like, for me, that's a little harder to watch than, like, some guy – something happened to him down there. I'm like, meh. Oh, yeah, because you don't have one of those. Fuck it. I – have you ever been present for a circumcision? Yeah.

You have? Mm-hmm. They don't numb the baby do they they just they got do you remember i don't remember it was i mean but i think i mean the nerve endings they're not even fully developed so i don't think they even does the baby like it i wouldn't say like it is i don't think that's the word that i would use i don't i don't know if they're even aware really, but I watched a movie called American circumcision. Okay.

Have you heard of that movie? I have not. No. Oh man. I don't know if I should have seen it, but it's a, they show all the contraptions that like that they tie the babies in or like they showed them the, the,

the kind of this gun thing that pushes the foreskin away and then snips it off one i've only heard one of one of my one of my uh colleagues at crossfit told me that they took his baby away and then they did the circumcision and he heard screams come from the room from the baby that he um he'd never heard his baby ever make those sounds ever again. And I mean, the ones that I saw, which not many, they use, it's sort of like almost like a thimble kind of looking thing. And they kind of put it over the, they stretch the foreskin over it and then they cut around it. Oh, like with an exact, with like an exacto knife? Kind of. Yeah. Okay. Which was like so long ago, but not that that not that i'm an expert in that by any means but you were just filming okay i felt that i know that one that one hit me

there you go see it's a human experience we're all just i shouldn't have said that exacto knife seven days a week you deal you you deal with with people's physical ailments. Yeah. I mean, so, yeah, my main job is I'm a sports medicine provider. So people come to see me and they say, this thing hurts. Fix it. That's kind of that's usually I work with some teams as well. So I'm a team physician for college out here.

So I see the athletes you know they have skin injured in practice or whatever um but that's my sub specialty of physiatry because i choose pretty broad um do you do you uh have a specialty in like either women or men i mean i guess you could say i'm sort uh, at least where I work sort of like the expert in women, like female athletes, um, things related things. So yeah. Um, women's sports injuries and things like that. That's sort of like, it's also just like a clinical interest of mine selfishly. Cause it's like, what, you know, you got one of those, you own a, you own a Mazda Miata.

So you like to work on them. I guess you could say that. Yeah. I just, I could, I could speak from experience. What, um, what um what um what team can you say what team you're the physician for yeah so i mean hofstra university which is a d1 school out here um also work peripherally with like our health system has contracts with like the islanders and the rangers and stuff hey is there anything um is there any sport that both men and women play where you see different injuries based on our, I'm going to use a word here, I have no idea what it means, physiology? Like, so like in men and women's soccer, do you see, like, do you see different injuries based on the fact that it really can't be explained?

Like, man, why are all the men getting this and all the women getting this and no one really knows? Well, I mean, so we see that a lot with like ACL injuries, for example. Women are more prone to get them from a non-contact event. So, you know, men usually get those injuries if someone like hits them in the knee, whereas like women are more likely to get them just like cutting, twisting, turning. A lot of that has to do with the way our legs are shaped and the laxity in our ligaments and the angle at which the tibia lies. And so there's actually, it's a huge kind of research subject. How do we better train women so that they don't have these issues? Part of it is just like our bodies work against us a little bit, but part of it is training and working on certain things. Like when women jump and land

in general, our knees tend to kind of go inward and that's part of it because our angle, our legs are angled that way. But also, um, you know, we like training women to jump and land properly is like a huge, uh, like thing in sports medicine. So prevent these kinds of injuries, it's like training the glutes and all that. So, and you know, so there's things like that where our bodies are just different, but also I do think there is a hormonal effect on like how people move, um, which is like to be determined how, how, how that happens. You know, the research behind that is sort of lacking, but, um, you know, I think when someone says that you'd like throw like a boy, there's something to that. Um, you know, I think when someone says that you like throw like a boy,

there's something to that. Um, and it's, there's a way that you move that is not necessarily taught or, um, but there's something to that. Well, we don't know what that is. That's like an interest of mine. It sounds like it's, it's also like the nuances around maybe like our physiology, right? The way our, our, our, our hips, our legs are just all, all that stuff. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's how, how we're built, but then also how we use it is a little different.

I think that's where CrossFit's really interesting because you can, it's like the first time when like, I mean, I feel that like women are sort of trained men and women sort of trained the same. And then you have men and women doing things that, especially in women like that were not necessarily expected. I mean, it was like, it was, it's a common, it was a common thought, you know, 10 years ago that women just can't do pull-ups. Like that's like a thing. It really was, huh? Yeah. I couldn't do, that is, that's why. Oh yeah.

Because in the presidential fitness exam, they would have all the boys go here and they'd have all the girls and me go over here. I always had to go with the girls and we would just hang. We would just hang. Yeah. We didn't get to do pull-ups but actually you're right so the but but the but the girls like then when you saw them on the playground the girls did all the cool shit with the bars monkey bars that the boys couldn't do so it's kind of ass backwards yeah but it's like we tend in general like women tend to be more flexible and then to be stronger but like i think cross it's kind of like this great place where everyone sort of gets equalized, which is why I gravitated towards it.

Hey, that's – it's amazing how far we've come. And I've already forgotten. You're right. The girls didn't even do pull-ups in the presidential exam. I wonder if they do now. Do they even have the presidential fitness exam anymore? I don't know. I haven't looked into that um it's it's but it's crazy i mean like i mean also like with

in general like it just crossfit really brought in this whole era of like appreciating what women's bodies do and not what they look like you know it's not like it's not how small you are it's like oh look what you can do look what you can lift what you can right you know you know um there is a curl ups partial ups shuttle run v sit sit up one mile run this not pull-ups oh okay so it does look like women have pull-ups but you know what wow the standard is like probably a lot less it's probably like they have to do like a half of one or something. You're going to trip on this if I'm reading this right. Okay. This represents the 85th percentile.

Oh, these are how many they can do, not what they need to do. It's interesting. Women can do, according to this, up to the age of nine, if you get two, you're in the 85th percentile. Then from nine, no, sorry, from 10 to 11, it goes up to three. And then it drops again. And then when you get to 16 and 17-year-old girls, it drops even further to one. So according to this, you peaked out when you were nine or 10. Well, then puberty hits and kind of, you know, the idea is that we kind of like lose. You lose your strength to weight

ratio yeah yeah i guess you don't have to and the dude just keep putting on more and more yeah but yeah it's like it's and it's also just i mean in general kids in this country are getting fatter and less athletic so you know the if you and this is something that i saw in a talk a long time ago but if you like look at gym class from like the 1950s, you'll see like pegboards and rings and like people doing like kids doing pull-ups and working on like pommel horses and stuff. And like, that was just like gym in 1950 or whatever, you know, whenever, but now it's like kids are doing like wall pushups. Like that's kind of it, you know. So the standard has certainly. There's a movie. Do you remember the name of the movie?

There's a movie that shows basically physical ed class during President Kennedy's reign. Oh, I'm nervous. God, what is that name of that documentary? It's amazing. And basically I can't remember if it was Kennedy or Johnson, but basically one of them said that basically the

status of a country can be basically summed up by the fitness of its kids. Yeah, things were so different. They don't even do Fran, I know, they don't even do Fran at the L1 anymore. They stopped doing that do Fran. I know. They don't even do Fran at the L1 anymore. They stopped doing that years and years ago for safety reasons. And, you know, on one hand, I mean, Greg didn't want to get sued, right?

Someone fall off a pull-up bar. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, the kids that I treat, I see, like, kind of two categories. Like, either kids that are super focused on they're like super focused on like one sport all year so they're and usually like there's some family pressure like this kid's going to be the best whatever and they do one sport all year and these kids get these crazy injuries that usually don't see until you know you're much older because they're just overstressing their bodies or it's like kids that are totally like unathletic just like lack basic ability to move kind of stuff and then they get injured as a

result of that it's like rare that you just see a kid that's like oh i'm just like i play outside and then i you know and then i go to do this once a week or that once a week it's like they're either like doing tons of the same thing or like nothing so there's been you see mostly um healthy people because of the medicine you're in as opposed to if you were let's say a heart doctor you would just see just fucking everyone 90 of your clients would be overweight um i would say no so like so um well, yes. So I do see a lot of sports injuries and people getting injured doing athletic things. I see that. And that's why I like doing what I do, but I do, I mean, musculoskeletal pain is like the chronic

disease of the body, right? Like, so if you have diabetes, hypertension, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, guess what? Your back probably hurts too. So those people come in or you probably have terrible arthritis and I take care of that. So yeah, I'd say like probably like 60, 40 or 70, 30 of like more unhealthy people to like – No shit. Oh, yeah. I mean, do you, do you, can you, can you keep it? Can you just keep it real with someone? Like if someone, if, if a, if a woman comes in, who's five, five, who should weigh 150 pounds and she weighs 250 pounds and her knee hurts, do you just say, Hey, it's because every time you step, you have an extra 400 pounds of pressure on your knee. Well, more than the joint was made. like, like where, where, where?

Uh, I could, you know, so it's weird. Cause in medicine, like, especially like where the, where this, you know, the health system I work for, it's like, we're all kind of like held under like essentially like Google reviews. So you can say something like that. And the person's going to go home and write, you know, Dr. West called me fat and that's going to be online for people to see. So, um, so, you know, uh, I usually, you know, I try to broach the subject. If someone brings it up, someone says, I need to lose weight. And I go, well, yeah, you do. And did you know that every pound of pressure, you know, it's on every 10 pounds on your body is 40 pounds of pressure on your knees. So you can imagine that if you lost 10 pounds, how much better you feel like that kind of stuff. Um, but it's, it's usually like that person has

to kind of bring it up and then I will agree with them. Um, you know, or I'll mention it in a laundry list of things that can make you feel better is weight loss as well. Um, but it's a little, you have to kind of dance around it a little bit because ideally, yes, I'd like to have those conversations with everybody, but I don't think people necessarily want to hear it. So you are part psychiatrist. You're navigating a wild landscape. Oh, yes. Yeah. Many times because sometimes people have pain it's it's not just straightforward it's the frustration to me is this and this i'm not pointing the finger at you at all

the frustration or any doctor the frustration is this what we're describing is a society that caters to the lowest common denominator. And so you're being punished for flourishing. I put on, um, but, but, um, you know, I went on vacation and I, and I just sat around and drank and ate dessert. I come visit you and you may say, Hey, what did you do last week? And be like, Oh, I went to the Bahamas and I was just drinking and blah, blah. And you may, Hey, and I go, I put on 15 pounds and maybe like, Hey, that's probably just inflammation. Don't worry about your knee. Can we practice something?

And I say, sure. What's up? And be like, Hey, maybe just cut out a added sugar for the next week. And let's not have you eat past seven o'clock at night and then i come back and see me in two weeks and then let's talk about your knee then i mean is it that's some sound uh and you could be like put your hand on my shoulder and look me in the eye and be like hey you want to know the really good news and i go what and be like you could take care of this yourself probably you're not even gonna fucking need me and get the lowest and let the lowest common denominator might be pissed right yeah so fuck you i came for you to fix this shit amy well and that's and that's in the people most of the

time people show up with the expect expectation of this thing hurts fix me yeah i wish it was less than that so and and i try to get the sense of you know if there are people that i can i see that they want to put the time energy effort in i there are certain like physical therapists that i know in the area who are you know top-notch guys they you know they're out they usually don't accept insurance but they're you know yeah and that's the thing too yep yep they say that it's not fair but but the rich people can can pay for an honest uh for for an honest um what's that called diagnosis yeah so you know it's like i i there are therapists that you know physical therapists

that i know that i'm like listen this guy is get you ready to, to run that marathon or whatever. If you put in the time, the energy, the effort, you want to spend the money. I got the guy for you. 90%, 99% of people that I come across, they don't want that. You know, they don't want that. They don't want to do that. They just like fix it, you know, give me an injection. Okay. Um, so, you know, it's, it's a balance. Unfortunately, this is, you know, the medical, the medical landscape right now. Um, what, how are the, um, how long have you been doing medicine? How long have you been practicing medicine? I mean, I've been out of training for almost four years, but, you know, in med school and residency and all that for about 10 years. And have you seen a decline all that for about 10 years and and have you

seen a uh a decline of the patient in 10 years um in terms of let me give you the metaphor in terms of uh you used to just see a bunch of honda civics coming in with uh flat tires and now you see like fenders broken and fucking i mean have you seen the decline of the quality of the patient when they come in? You're like, man, this is, they used to just come in with a flat and I could put some air in it and fix it. Now this shit is like, I mean, I'd say I I've worked in different environments. So like during training, I did a lot of like inpatient medicine,

which is like a whole other landscape of sick. And now I'm all outpatient. So in general, the people I see are not like critically ill. So I can't, I can't really speak to that. I'll say that, you know, I, I overall, I think we're kind of when you're at first, when you first start medicine, you kind of have like a, this kind of like wide eye view of everyone that you could kind of say, like, if I only can, you know, I could, I could see the ways to fix this and you have hope that you could kind of say like if i only could you know uh i i could i could see the ways to fix this and you have hope that you can do it and then once you get to like where i'm

at you're like okay well this is what it is so i have to just kind of work within that space that that kind of sucks though right but i mean yeah you're right. Yeah. Are there, do you ever, do you ever develop relationships with clients to where it transcends that? Um, you know, I think what's, what's kind of cool in what I'm doing now is that I've. Like if I called you, like if I called you, Amy, I'd be like, Hey Amy, give it to me fucking straight. And you can be like, okay, fuck fuck i saw you on your instagram and you got a fucking gut when you're doing pull-ups first you gotta fucking like get that shit fixed like do you have clients where

you can just be like um well i'll say this i in the local like area um i am sort of like i'm known in like a few of the boxes in the, in the region. So like, I, you know, I'll be at a competition and then I'll see like people that I treated and like, you know, so when we can kind of have those conversations offline, you know, but like, so I do have people like that who mostly that I know through, through CrossFitting that I can have those conversations with if I need to, but not like average, like patient. I have to kind of keep it very professional in that sense.

Someone called me the other day and they were like, or they hit me up and they texted me and they said, Hey, uh, one of my friends needs a doctor and they want to go to a CrossFit doctor because I just feel like they feel like they can't get the right treatment from a regular doctor. And I, and I sent it, I said, Oh, what about Dr. Nick? I think that's his name. The guy I had him on the show before out of Invictus, really big yoke, black dude, handsome. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. The fittest doc. Yeah. And, uh, and he goes, Oh yeah, you're right. But those of us who are, um, crossfitters, uh, through and through, we kind of want everyone in our ecosystem to be crossfitters, our plumber, our teacher, our, the guy, like you want every single person because there's something that we think differently about you and your work ethic

and your commitment to excellence. Right. you just like you get it you see someone with nanos on you're like i got you yeah i bet you that guy i bet you that guy's a great plumber i bet you when he's under the sink he like everything's like he leaves and the shit's good yeah there you go he works hard it's not gonna leak again next week he's gonna put in the good garbage disposal right yeah there's just like a there's just like a a connection that you have that you just you just people get it um can people contact do you take do you have private clients do you work with do you have a private business outside i mean i i no i don't i i i work through a health system but i do like telehealth visits and things like that so sometimes if someone's

not like in the immediate area so i so i so um so people who see this show, they can't just pick you as a doctor. They can't be like, oh, I remember seeing that girl on Sevan's podcast. That lady's a CrossFitter and she's a physician. Oh, and even more importantly, she's interested in – she's a physiatrist. But they can't – thank you. They can't just contact you. I mean not like for medical advice like offline, but as far as like seeing someone as a patient. Yeah, as a patient.

I can potentially be able to do that via the internet through this health system I work for. Why not just start – is it hard? Why not just start your own – aren't there enough wealthy crossfitters out there to um sustain someone like that to sustain a practice okay i need a hundred of you to give me a hundred thousand dollar down payment and i'm your doctor for the year i mean that sounds like a great idea um that's like the dream or to like have a have a box and like sort of run it as like a uh like a community health center essentially like. Like that's. We have friends who do that, Amy, you know, you know, we, you, I mean,

I know you know this for sure, but for the people listening, we have friends who not only who are doctors who kind of do like you and I both have friends who pay a doctor just a $20,000 a year just to be able to call the doctor and and and we know doctors who accept that who have like a hundred clients like that super wealthy and it's just a call you i mean that's just the baseline like you get the phone number of the doctor for 20 grand yeah yeah i mean how much how much to get your phone number how much do i have to pay you to get your phone number i don't know i gotta think about that i mean hey i uh i have to i have to think your phone number? I don't know. I gotta think about that. I mean, Hey, I, uh,

I have to have to think about that. I'm not too business savvy. So like something like that is like, I don't even know like where to start, but maybe there's a group of us that can kind of synergize or something, but that's the, that's the goal. That's the dream. Like being able to have a, like a CrossFit gym that serves as like a community health center, a bridge from post acute rehab into the community. Cause I mean, I, I, when I, in physiatry,

a lot of my training was with working with people with spinal cord injuries and traumatic brain injuries and adaptive, you know, you know, amputees, adaptive athletes and stuff. So to me, it was like, wow, this is, this, these people would be great to be in a CrossFit gym to see, you know, the, you know, amputees, adaptive athletes and stuff. So to me, it was like, wow, this is, this, these people would be great to be in a CrossFit gym to see, you know, once they finished their acute rehab, like here's the perfect shuttle for that. But you know, it's, it's like hard convincing the health systems that that's a good idea. So you're in,

you're in London, you tell me, tell me how you found um crossfit and and how and your kind of your medical school your transition from film school or being in the film world to uh medical school how did those two how did those two kind of line up so i mean how i started uh so i was working in television um i am not the kind of person that likes to like bounce around from thing to thing to thing. So I got kind of, it was like, that's the way the industry is, is like, you have a job for a few months and you're kind of always bouncing around. And I just kind of got sick of it. And then, you know, I started working as a surgical videographer. So I was like in the hospital and I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting.

And then, you know, so my dad is a firefighter, a 9-11 first responder. My brother is a police officer. It's like there are people like, you know, working for the common good. And when I was living in London, as soon as I left, there was a terrorist bombing there that happened. was living in London as soon as like I left there was a terrorist bombing there that happened um and I just remember being like if I was still there like what like good would I have been in that situation and probably nothing you know I wouldn't be able to do anything so I was like what can I do to like be more of used to the the universe and I always liked school I was always like into that stuff so I was like well if you have the capacity to do that then maybe you should

do that so then I started looking like how could I go to med school if I wanted to? Was that quick? Does that happen in an hour, that conversation? Or is that a week or a month? Oh, that, I mean, that's, that was like, you know, probably six months of me being like, what should I do? What should I do? What should I do?

I'm a planner. I like to always have like something, okay, how am I going to figure out this situation? I'm not like where I'm at right now. How do I get around it? You know? So, so yeah. So then I went, of looking at all these programs and then I found something called the post-bac program, which is actually pretty common, uh, where you just do the sciences essentially to apply to med school. That was at Columbia. Yeah. Um, and I, you know,

I did that and then, you know, ended up, ended up at Harvard, which was cool. that and then you know ended up ended up at harvard which was cool how do you get into harvard do you is do you just uh go online and fill out the application uh amy west okay i mean i mean yeah you know they require a whole bunch of transcripts and recommendations i had to volunteer at a hospital i i mean i think honestly like key to, I tell like kids who were like, how do I get into med school? It's like make yourself different because they see tons of kids who are all like super high achieving the bunch of science stuff or super boring, but they're going to remember the television producer that came through,

you know, or whatever it is. So get some life experience. That's not just school and be someone that they can remember when they interview them you know so did you did your parents pay the um uh admissions people any money under under the table i don't think so i definitely don't think that happened were you surprised when you got in were you like holy shit. It's like one of those things that, um, did you have a plan B? Yes. I mean, I was accepted. I was accepted to, uh, you know, a handful of them. So, um, and then when that came through, like, Oh,

you know, at the time I was living in New York and I wasn't even sure like, do I want to leave New York? I've never left New York in my life other than that time I was in London. And I was like, you don't pass that opportunity up. And was there anywhere you weren't accepted? I don't remember. I don't think so. I didn't apply to all that many schools, but no, I don't think so. I think maybe I got waitlisted somewhere or something, but I don't remember which one. And then you get, it's just, it comes in an envelope and it says Harvard and then you get it's just it comes in an envelope and it says harvard and then

you open it and it's like hi amy we're excited to have you for the 2000 blah blah blah season yeah so what was funny about that is that the envelope got delivered to the wrong house oh i like it these people who like lived down the street from me they came by with this like big envelope from harvard they're like we think this is important so um but yeah um when my mom was only one of uh my mom was uh the first woman to graduate from her law school and um i think she went to night law school while she was pregnant either with me or my sister i can't remember the story but it's a it's a fucking crazy story my mom's a savage and what ended up happening was the the some of her classmates called her on the rotary phone and we're like we got our we got our you know uh our bar exam we

passed where you know we passed the bar exam you know and my mom's like oh shit awesome congratulations so my mom goes downstairs and is like waiting for the mail person and the mail person comes by and there's nothing. So my mom's just fucking bummed. Right. Because everyone got their acceptance and she didn't. And then the mailman goes down and then he comes back an hour later. Oh, I forgot this. And it was a bar exam.

Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. So so you get that and and you open it up and you're accepted and then, and then you just start, you just go and crush it. I mean, you get a long journey. I mean, I also in the middle of, uh, med school, I took some med schools four years and the third year is usually the most difficult because you just thrown in the wards and your,

your hours are terrible and it sucks. Um, and then between my third and fourth year is i took a year off to do an education degree at the harvard graduate school of education um i took a year off to do another degree i don't know if you use the word took a year off right but i'll let it slide go on it was kind of like a year off because like intensity level of workload you know so um and then that's during that time is though i had a lot of like time off you know it's like i just went to class and came home and i didn't have to do anything extra so um that's when i i started looking into like working in with physiatrists i found out about that um and that's also when i used to pass CrossFit Fenway, RIP, was very close to Harvard Med School. And I used to pass all the time and

be like, I don't, I want to do that. It looks like fun. So I had the time. I was like, okay. So that's how I started. No shit. Hey, you sound like a professional CrossFitter. They're like, yeah, I took today off. I just worked on my rowing. You're like, hmm. I've worked on your rowing. Great. Okay. And so you start CrossFit and going back to softball. So you loved basketball, but you were good at softball. You were great. Yeah, I was better at it. Yeah, I was better at it. And did you play any collegiate basketball yeah i mean i played i i'd not i ended up graduating early and stuff so it didn't like work out but but you did play um you did play collegiate softball i did for the short time that i was able to yeah Ever get drilled by the ball? I have.

I got hit in the face once. I got hit pretty – when I played overseas, I played softball overseas for a summer. I got wailed in the knee with a pitch once. That wasn't fun. Ooh. Ever been hit in the head? No, thank God.

I've seen other people get hit in the head. It's not cute um what about that uh what about that achilles uh is the achilles tendon when that thing snaps and people think uh that they've been hit by a ball did you ever see that like someone running around second base and they think the ball hit them but it was their achilles fucking snapped i mean i've i've seen it in other sports as like a physician and i've had people i know people that's happened to why do people always think that recently one of my friends one of our mutual friends was playing basketball a couple weeks ago and they snapped their achilles tendon and he stood up and he's like okay who tripped me and everyone's like no one was near you and he's like yeah i felt someone kick me and trip me and then they're like

dude your your your achilles tendon snap why is that why do people they always that's common right you think you've been hit yeah i mean it's like a it's like a rubber band that snaps in your leg so you think when it snaps that you feel that like pop you think you know is it that it must have got hit here you know before you realize your foot can't move um so so before surgery if that happened to you were fucked and your ankle would just do this the rest of your life i mean you'd have trouble lifting it up and down yeah i mean it's the main and those are the things that medicine's amazing for that's why we need doctors right to to tie that thing back up so it doesn't right so that's that would be an orthopedic surgeon

you need that repaired but i i see a lot of, oh, my penis tendon kind of hurts when I run. So it's like, well, it's intact. You don't need to see a surgeon for that. They're not going to do anything about that. That's where I come in. How about, how about plantar fasciitis? Have you ever had that? I haven't had it, but I treat, I treat it quite a bit. it, but I treat it quite a bit. Yeah. What is that? I had that once it went away, but it's the most bizarre thing ever because it feels like something's in your heel, but then you touch your heel and there's nothing in there, but you could swear there's like, there's a tack in there. Yeah. There's just some tissue that attaches to your heel bone that, um, you can get irritation where it, where it attaches. Um, and a lot of times that has to do with the you know the flexibility of your of that tissue but also with your like foot muscles so something called like the intrinsic foot muscles or the

foot core where like if you if you look at babies for example like they can spread their toes out like this no problem and as we get older we sort of lose that ability because we you know we wear shoes and a lot of those little tiny foot muscles atrophy or just not used so you know think we see a lot you can see a lot of problems in the foot that can be remedied by strengthening up those muscles again and being able to move them what does walking barefoot do that yeah it helps do you use toe spacers i don't but i probably should. It would work, right? I mean, I think they're a good thing to use. I haven't used them myself, though.

Like you can stretch shit out. You can stretch skin out. Like I've seen things where people will dangle stuff from their ears a couple hours every day, and then eventually – I just remember seeing shit like that as a kid, like on Ripley's Believe It or Not. Yeah, yeah. That's incredible. I guess it's the same kind of idea, for sure just put just just push your toes out have you seen have you seen this lady um uh who's in the masters um she's 72 years old I want to say she's from Finland was making fun of her name the other day. I can't even show her Instagram account.

Her name is J-O-K-E. It looks like joke. And her last name is D-I-K-O-F-F, like dick off. So that's why I was – yeah. I'm sure it's pronounced different in whatever country. She's Hungarian or whatever. But there's a video of her on Instagram at 72 doing a legless rope climb. Have you seen this?

I think I have seen it actually. I think I have seen it, at least briefly. Yeah, good for her. Yeah, it's nuts. Yeah. A legless rope climb is hard for anyone. I guess young people don't understand. If that shit's not warm, that shit's not like it is when you're 25. That shit feels like it'll just snap off and break.

Who's your oldest patient? How old's your oldest patient? Oh, I've had patients in over 100. No kidding? Yeah. I mean, but it's usually like they have bad knee arthritis or whatever. They're not doing legless or climbs. They're sitting around.

My mom went to the doctor. My mom had some knee issues and she went to the doctor. And like part of me just want to tell her, mom, you're fucking old. Stop going to the doctor. Like, that's just normal. But she went to the doctor and he gave her some exercises and the shit got better. But at 100, isn't there a point where you're just going to be like, no, you're old. Stop.

Just go home and die. I mean, I wouldn't say that, but,'ll try to help how I can. So I can try here. I can try to help you. Do you do any eye stuff? Do you help with vision? No. No, that's not your – I don't mess – no. I don't mess with that. Are you still involved with CrossFit Health? I am.

I think they're sort of retooling or, you know, kind of reorganizing. So I'm not really sure what is happening 100% with it. But like at the games this year, I'm doing a CrossFit Health panel with Athena, our good friend Athena. this year I'm doing a CrossFit health panel with Athena, our good friend, Athena. Um, and so I'll be kind of be speaking,

I guess, on behalf of CrossFit health in some, in some way. Um, and I'm doing some other talks that while I'm there. So, so it's, it's, you know,

I'm still involved with it. What it is exactly is, is I think it's still kind of being figured out. It's kind of a trip because I would say, and I'm being a little cavalier saying this when CrossFit health was started, it was Greg's pet project. It was for him personally, the company was chugging along and it was his project. And, and when I say pet project,

I don't mean to poo poo it at all or to mean that it wasn't – that it was small or insignificant. It was far from that, but it required – it was his, and it was about the ills of modern medicine, and let's start with the truth. And you were at all those events, and someone would come up and tell us about how 50% of the stuff in medical journals is unreplicatable. And they would give us all the evidence for it, and we would be like, oh. Everyone's like, oh. Or statins. They would talk about p-values and about how statins actually don't work and and and how people shouldn't be and you just it was and then when he was gone i i don't know why why why keep it why keep it do you know do you know what i mean by that like it was it was uh it was one man's mission right well i think it sort of had two arms as far as I saw it. So one was the,

was like the think tank. It was Greg gathering the scientists and people that he respected. And we would just all, all the, and all the doctors who were like-minded in the country to get together and network, to talk about this stuff, to kind of, you know, basically have a chat about it and, and talk about it. And I think that was, and that's really like, that's what was kind of Greg's vision for it, I think. And then there was this whole other side of it. I think there were a lot of us who were like, how do we make this, you know, especially as doctors, we're're like we want like organization and structure and like how can we how can we make this a network that um so that if your friend

needs a doctor who's a crossfit doctor they can go on crossfit.com and find it or how can we work together so that we can make functional like fitness facilities that are also health care facilities or how can we um you know, how can we make some like the doc in the box thing? Yeah. I remember those things or there was, there was, there was a, how can we make it so CrossFitters get reduced insurance or things like that? Yeah. You know, or like CME credits for our, you know, you know, so stuff like that. So I think like there was like a whole other, or how can we organize formal research and and do the experiments or how do we find out who's doing stuff in, you know, in California with the person in New York and network? You know, so I think there was that aspect of it, too. So I think, you know, that piece of it is also exciting.

So I think there's sort of sort of two arms as I always saw it. exciting so i think there's sort of sort of two arms as i always saw it i i saw it's where i saw it was where mature crossfitters ended up going there was there was this um you know when you're 22 years old and you're doing crossfit and you hear that um it's the cure for type 2 diabetes you're like who cares and that's okay i that's maybe what your attitude should be. But when you're 26 and you've been doing CrossFit for four years and you find out your cousin over in South Carolina has been diagnosed with type two diabetes and you've been a CrossFitter, you're like, oh, I work out in this gym with this woman named Amy West and she was wearing an Octane CrossFit shirt

that said we cure type two diabetes. I wonder what that meant. And because she's with people who, who are in the health, it just takes a little longer for those things to, um, to percolate, to grow, to, to, to get nurtured in, in, in, in younger CrossFitters. Uh, when you, when you made that, um, um i i still going back to that thing i still don't think it's i almost feel like that they should shut it down and bring it back as something else it was just so specialized to what he was doing i don't know i don't know what's going on over there but um what what what julie or doing that precision health care the way that thing was going i think it was julie spearing it that was the care, the way that thing was going, I think it was Julie Spearhead.

That was the exact opposite of what Greg was planning, like 100 percent in the opposite direction. It wasn't to – CrossFit Health was more to indoctrinate doctors with CrossFit than to indoctrinate CrossFitters with doctors. Do you know what I'm saying? doctors yeah do you know what i'm saying yeah and that whole thing i you know i wasn't involved in any of that but um i for me i think the network was what important and really i mean some of the best um i mean i've met so many like great people oh hold on one second amy we're having a crazy audio issue did something happen on your end am i am i okay okay okay uh no what happened you're getting choppy and you're coming in and out not your video but just your audio almost like um there's someone listening from like a third world country on their phone line i don't think so or like you're tapping could you just log out and log

back in real quick log out of this yeah just like hang up on me and then just call back crackly yes heidi thank you crackly i am well behaved i like her a lot and she's she's she's navigating um she has her foot in imagine imagine you having your foot in the center of a circle and then outside the circle and it's turning so she's being kind of pulled in these in these weird directions so I want to be yeah it was a bad mic connection something happened yeah as if the feds tapped in yeah yeah yeah yeah that would be good if i was high on meth i might believe you it's it's your audio bouncing back on her computer it's my audio oh like maybe she had her volume up too loud i mean i'll ask about that even in her even

in her medicine practice she has that right like she knows some of the things that she should be saying to clients, but she can't say because she's navigating a difficult terrain. And so she's on the DEI council. So that's got to be some difficult. Oh, let me ask her. Is it better? better yeah everyone was uh yeah it is better so far all right hey you know what's interesting so you're on this you're kind of in some in some imagine this you know those restaurants at the top of buildings and they spin yeah and there's a spot in the center that doesn't spin and as a little kid like you can put one foot on the in the center and one foot on the out and and then it starts spinning slowly and then you can't, you can't do it anymore. It's kind of like you, your life is kind of like that in the things you're in. So you're in, you do the DEI council.

So that's a difficult thing to navigate. You're in, in your professional, in your healthcare, you know, like what we were talking about, there's, there's things like they, the truth, you could just blatantly give to your clients, but you have to navigate this uh these areas and um and there was a and then and then crossfit health there's you're a uh you're in that you're you're kind of like a bridge you're a navigator do you ever feel like you're being ripped in half because you have your foot on the inside of the circle outside and you're like okay i'm gonna have to lift one of them i um i see myself as a connector yeah okay um you know so and i you know looking through all these things

through a health lens is really my my focus so i try to maintain that but i think you know it's the thing you have to kind of you have to navigate you have to like know know your audience a little bit know you know what what the rules are and all that so there's there's definitely times when i'm like frustrated yeah you know you have to kind of just sit back and watch things unravel because i'm like sort of like on the inside but on the outside at the same time so i i you know i just try to i just try to keep doing work that i enjoy and try to stay connected to people that I like and hope that that gets recognized and people enjoy it and that I can help people out. Or if I say, Hey, this person's doing this and they should meet that person and maybe I connect you guys and

all that. So, um, but yeah, I'm a bit of a top that keeps spinning. I definitely. Yeah. Do you, um, do you get frustrated or, or do you like the challenge of being in these sort of contentious. Areas. I mean, I think in general, I like to be. Like the challenge. Yeah, I like the challenge challenge i also just i like that um i i just at the end of the day i just want people to recognize like the value that i bring so whoever's doing that um you know i'm happy to to be part of whatever that is without kind of losing my own

focus truth north truth yeah something like that i'd like i watched your um your presentation on youtube yesterday it was posted on crossfit oh yeah account yeah that was like um i didn't know that they were posting it so i got started getting all these like emails that were like oh like your thing i'm like what because i shot that back in like march you should that was filmed back in march yeah it was for the crossroad health conference that happened so i i did it and i you know i think it was march or whatever it was um so i hadn't really thought about it since then so then and then they put and what was it they put it in the email with like this weird looking picture of me i was like come on man come on like

couldn't use a better screenshot than that bro but um but yeah so but yeah so that that's that's kind of stuff i've been talking about for for years and i think a version of that talk is what initially i think maybe greg saw and how i got kind of invited out to the ddcs or whatever but yeah you did you did at your hospital. What's that called? What's that rounds thing called? Is it called rounds? Oh, grand rounds. Grand rounds. So you were, you were at your hospital. You gave a talk about how CrossFit is not dangerous or the misconceptions

around the danger, the danger. Yeah. I mean, and also how at the time I was in my residency in physiatry and it was like, this is how CrossFit and physiatry are almost the same thing. Are you paid by CrossFit? I wish. No, I mean, so like, do I get a, I get like a stipend for. But you're not an employee of CrossFit.

No, no, no, no. I thought it was pretty wild that you brought up the NSCA case. Like wild in a good way. Yeah. I mean, so I wasn't sure if they're going to keep it in actually i i haven't seen the final edit of of that talk it's in there it's in there it's it's in what's interesting is is it that you have a slide from the russell's uh website yep yeah it's on my assault bike like going holy shit have i been peddling too hard? Like, wow, she really is saying this shit. Yeah.

I mean, I think it's important to know why the data may be what it is or what it was and to know who is putting out the data and what may be of influence, you know? Do you know what happened in that case? Like at the end? Like ultimately, no. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I know that there was a ruling, but I don't know what happened in that case like at the end like ultimately no yeah i don't know i mean i know that there was a ruling but i don't know what's if you did know would you tell me like if you know i don't i i i don't know i i don't know i believe i believe you that you don't know but but i'm just going along this way for because it's fun and it adds tension um Um, so, so someone, so someone knows what happened.

Yeah. I don't, I, no one told me I can tell you that much. But you do. So, so just to get you guys up to speed, basically in a nutshell, there was a study done about a CrossFit with the, I think university of Ohio and the NSCA and Greg basically sent some lawyers down there and they interviewed all the people who in the paper said they were injured. And I think only one of them said that they may have been injured or something, but basically no one was injured. And, and then, then through discovering whatnot, they found that a guy named William Kramer at the NSCA and others were involved in

basically, they basically said, Hey, hey if you if you don't put they told the student who's trying to get the paper published if you don't put injuries in this paper we're not going to publish it and crossfit uh uncovered that and then uh when greg called those guys soda whores they sued greg back and in that that's where they really fucked up and in that discovery when greg did discovery on that case, they found like a million fucking emails. No shit, Amy, with the word CrossFit in it that in the other case they lied about that said didn't exist. And then both of the federal judge and the state judge spoke and then the whole thing fucking collapsed. And we saw some and we saw some unprecedented shit.

The the the NSCA quickly dropped its case against suing Greg. And Greg didn't want them to drop it because he wanted to keep using Discovery. Discovery is basically when someone sues you, you can go into their house and look in their underwear drawer. And everyone can start looking in everyone's underwear drawer and looking for shit. And they didn't think it out too well. And they got spanked up. spanked up. So basically in my opinion, when you say that there's a, um, CrossFit injures people, you're basically attacking the 15,000 affiliates or 10,000 or 2000, however many is left, right? They're trying to run a business to make people better. And then you say, so,

so then the judge kept saying to Greg, Hey, are you going to settle? Are you going to settle? And some numbers like 50 million, a hundred million, we're going to be thrown around and greg's like no i don't i'm not doing this for the money i want to just keep learning more and more about who was involved in the conspiracy and judge is like all right you can keep suing them and and keep keep driving down this lane until until uh until it's forced to come to a decision and before that happened, Greg sold the company. And then when the – and Greg had told the affiliates. He stood up and told the affiliates many times, there's one thing I will tell you. I will never have this case sealed. So even if I don't make – even if we don't get any money from it, the one thing I'm going to stand by the whole time is that you guys can always go back and look at this case and see what happened because it was important to him that the world saw it because what had happened was and you mentioned this in your talk that the nsca had fabricated this study that said crossfitters crossfit affiliates injure people and then that was reposted more than 400 times including an outside magazine fucking affiliates

everywhere so the new owners come in and the case is settled in the first fucking year and it's sealed and like i know marshall brenner must know what happened right that's the attorney you know are are you friends with i mean i know what i mean i know i don't love him but i don't know he's a great guy i love him i would consider him a friend even though i try not to talk to him because i don't want to put him in an awkward situation but um but yeah i mean there was it's fucked up man it's fucked up

we need to know what happened yeah so that's an issue but also I need to know more what happened there I don't give a fuck why Dave was fired and it's none of anyone's business in my opinion it's between him and his boss it's cause he smells like shit what do I care but this other thing is the implications are for all the affiliates.

And I just I don't. Well, yeah. I mean, the more dangerous thing, too, is that these these these organizations were looking to make CrossFit illegal. I think that yes, I think that's that was sort of the the the false data. Come on, Amy. You're just crazy. That could never happen. I mean, the false data was used in to say that, you know, the CrossFit trainers have no, their training isn't adequate because they don't get certification through this governing body. Therefore they're training people legally, and they're also hurting people. So, I mean, that was was kind of the the cascade follow the bouncing ball a little bit uh if you didn't

just hear what amy said you have to just rewind this part and listen to that again it's not a joke it's not a joke it's and it's it's why i tell you guys as much as i fucking have fun partying with the games the games means nothing because if something like this would have just passed through the whole the whole thing gets folded up and taken away there were there were there were bills that were you know in different states to to legalize crossfit training essentially without um crossfit trainers having an sca or ac. Yep. And it was all, and it was all, well,

you know, as we started digging into it, it was all money related. Anyway, I appreciate you bringing it up. It should never, it should never go away. I,

I personally, um, if, if I, if I was an affiliate, that would be like one of my number one concerns. People are always like, what's the affiliate proposition.

You know what the affiliate proposition is. You're basically playing a loyalty payment payment the brand is a fucking great brand all of us i mean even even people like me who've been fired can't stop talking about how great the l1 is it's so awesome the community's great but they do deserve above anything else you do deserve to know who your enemies are and that you have to see that case that enemy is real and it's not dead yeah and then also the um you know i think what surprised a lot of physicians about that is is who's controlling the medical data you know and that you look at coca-cola's hands and in supporting physician groups you know, medical societies,

including one of the biggest sports medicine societies in the world. You know, most, most physicians don't realize that. So. Most people don't realize the history. Yeah. And another thing, if you're curious, go just look up the history. I know, I know you know it, but the history of-cola and the cdc you will be you will be very uh i don't know if you'll be surprised i was very surprised the cdc does not exist without coca-cola with with the donations coca-cola made does not go look it on wikipedia and let me tell you wikipedia does not want to be saying any bad shit about the cdc Yeah. Yeah, it definitely has a lot of, there's a lot, you can get, you can get really kind of caught in the weeds there. Do, um, the, the people that you saw, uh, anecdotally,

as we went through this, um, what I, the so-called pandemic, the people that you saw who did CrossFit, um, did they unequivocally do better when they got covid can you say that yeah i mean i so i was relocated to the emergency room during like the height of covid here so i work in an office as essentially a an orthopedic provider that's my day job but during the height of the pandemic, they closed the offices and I was put in the emergency room to like basically be like traffic control there. It was kind of, and that's not my training. So I'll just say that. But I was in the part of the emergency room that was for essentially people that they deemed were like stable enough to

go home. So basically my job is to like, are you stable? If so, tell them what to do and not do and send them out. Um, and you know, you just gave him, you gave him a mountain doing a snicker bar and send them home. Yeah, pretty much. Uh, no, it was just like, you know, your oxygen is, is okay. You're not sick enough to be here, go home. Um, but a lot, you know, a lot of the people that were coming through were not, you know, examples of health I'd say, but that's, I had a very kind of limited experience. I wasn't on the, you know, inpatient wards, like intubating people or anything like that. But, but it was a lot of like, it was also a lot of hysteria because

I was there for like two or three weeks. And, you know, you'd see the same people coming back day after day being like, I still feel sick. It's like, you're going to feel sick. Go home and just stay away from people. And they're just, I think they just go home and get themselves all worked up, you know, and come back the next day. And it's like, this is the worst place you can be.

Just go home. Does everyone who works in the hospital get it because they work in the hospital where it's at? I mean, I knock on wood have not gotten it yet, but. What? No. I never. I'm knocking all the wood right now, but I skirted it somehow.

Yeah. I, I, I skirted it somehow. Or, but you could, um, I don't know what the numbers are now, but in the beginning it was 80% asymptomatic. So you could have had it and just not known. Right. I guess. I mean, maybe I, I, I've taken one COVID test in the past and I never, I, I didn't, you know, I didn't test positive, but maybe, maybe I didn't realize it. You've only had one COVID test. Yeah. I thought I just pictured like every time you went to the doc,

the hospital, if you were a doctor, like, like you just like, they just swab you. No, I, I, that didn't happen to me, but I, but so when I was working in the hospital, like when they relocated me, this is before they had like a lot of testing available. So they didn't they only used it on people who were like going to be hospitalized or like, you know, employees that were sick. So I I skirted that. I when you say there was hysteria, what does that look like?

Hysteria just means like people make hysteria is just like craziness, right? That the people are just acting irrational. Is that what hysteria means? Yeah. I mean, it was just a lot of, um, so, you know, on TV it was this constant, like just barrage of like, people are getting sick and people are dying, but you know, so people watching that and you'd have whole families come in and be like. Undovernable emotional excess. Okay. Yeah. I like that. You know, it's like people were like, the waiting rooms were packed full of people who, you know, some of them had fever. Some of them were told to come in to buy their primary care doctors. Cause they thought they needed to be hospitalized. And there was a lot of angry people too,

because we weren't testing people at the time. We didn't have the supplies to be testing like mass testing. And people would say, come and say, I need a test. And it's like, well, we don't have a test. You're're stable we're not going to test you and then there was arguments there or people not understanding like you know we're going to discharge you you're stable but they wanted to be in the hospital you know so there was a lot of like yeah you know you had to be kind of prepared to almost for a fight sometimes because people were and then also because people just like so revved up they were so like nervous that they were just gonna go home and tank because you hear

these stories of people like discharged from the hospital and go home and then he died because you know they rapidly declined or whatever but um oh so i think there was a lot of that but so any part of it fun like like because of the chaos you know like sometimes you're in chaotic situations and you're just kind of like wow wow, this is kind of cool. It was weird. I mean, so also I'd have to spend 12 hours like plastic, like I'd be like wrapped in plastic essentially for 12 hours, which that sucked. It wasn't fun. It was just like, it was a thing that when I was doing it, I was like, you're, you're like in history right now.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. You know what I mean? Like you're, you're, you appreciate the now oh yeah yeah okay you know what i mean like you're you're you appreciate the experience yeah yeah it's like so you know i was happy to be able to help because doing what i do normally doesn't really affect that it was just it was kind of having a ringside seat i guess but um yeah you know hope that doesn't happen again across with the last couple years yeah same it's like holy shit i got a ringside seat to this chaos yeah so so i

could start it yeah i i knew people who like were a hundred percent in their in their in their fucking chatterbox mouth um uh and they're when we talk that had zero fear of covid thought it was a fucking joke never masked never nothing but when they got it it was a different story like you could tell they had been infected with the hysteria around it because they got scared yeah all of a sudden all the stories oh my god even though they were fine the uh the hysteria fucked with them like you know what i mean like they're like i think i'm short of breath i'm like you do you know yeah i mean there was tons of that yeah totally this shit's real but i you know and then we'd see people who'd come in and they'd be like oh you know so basically i had to

tell them we're not testing you but assume you have covid because you have all the symptoms go home to stay away from your family whatever and. And they'd be like, well, can I can still go to work at Dunkin Donuts? Right. And I'd be like, no. And this is like, and that was kind of the, that was like also really hard. Cause you know, this is why this disease is spreading because people aren't getting it. Like just not understanding. They're like, oh, I don't go anywhere. I just go to the grocery store. It's like, no, no, no, no, don't do that. You don't. Or they just be like, I'm like not testing them. And then be like, well, so I don't have it then. I was like, no, no, no. It's all I said. You have it, but you know, but so stuff like that where, you know,

it was also like a, you could see kind of how this can get out of hand or, you know, because certain rules are just kind of people weren't getting it. The public, um, just kind of people weren't getting it the the public um the public isn't really that smart i mean and by smart i just i'm not gonna not disagree with you but by smart i mean they people really lack um uh the ability to self-evaluate so i know so many people now who are afraid of uh live shooter situations even though they're 47 years old and they've never even heard a gunshot

but they're afraid of live shooter situations because of something they saw on tv and they don't want their kids to go to school or a friend told me this the other day he twice he's been in a movie theater with his wife where his wife has said hey i saw a guy come in who looks sketchy i want to leave my buddy's like why he's all he had a the guy had a bag and they had to leave and that's all but but she has no she's never been around a shooter. She's never seen a gun. She never – like it's just what the TV told her, right? Yeah. And it's fascinating to me. That shit's powerful. Yeah. I mean especially like if you're being inundated with that stuff everywhere you look.

You know? the people that um can you describe the well the people you see who have the most serious situations is it would you say it's all diet related the people you see i mean like if you could give one piece of advice like in my line of work yeah uh like in my like sports medicine wise yeah um i think that's a big part of it. I think I get a mixture of unfortunate circumstances and then also like, you know, just bad things happening to people, unlucky things, but also, you know, a lot of this is like, you know, because people aren't taking care of themselves, you know, whether that's diet related exercise or whatever. Yeah. That is what doctors are for unfortunately um it's been lost

they're for unfortunate situations right but they're big but the vast majority of their time is being spent on not unfortunate situations right exactly i mean it's like people you know sometimes who are actively hurting themselves yeah so yeah i guess that's a better way to say it's self-inflicted like ideally you want doctors on ready for things that's like not your fault right right you know so that doesn't always that's not always what happens like you go to dive to save a uh a ball from going in the goal and your head hits the side of the goal and you're knocked out that's when you want a doctor right i see concussions as well so is that or you fall and break your hand or whatever and then there's you know other things

that i see that are you know it's basically like you're you haven't taken care of yourself for 50 years so it's going to catch up to you if um uh if if someone's a hundred pounds overweight, let's say it's a, let's say I weigh 250 pounds instead of 150 pounds. And I said, I wanted to start exercising and I came to you as a doctor. Could you give me advice on, on what exercise I should do? Is that within your, are you allowed to do that? I'm allowed to do that. Like allowed to, I guess.

So normally like, usually what I do though is like, I try to, cause you know, I have like 15 minute appointment slots and stuff. So like, I can't like, I don't like sit down and break down someone's whole life with them. But usually then I try to find, you know, either things that they like doing or, you know, try to talk about, you know, stuff they like to do. My thing would always like, my personal thing would be like to connect them with either like a CrossFit gym. I know, like I know certain ones in my area that I would trust with someone who's

new or to connect them with some of the kind of physical therapists that I know that kind of work with more athletic people and stuff. So, you know, I'm always like trying to connect, you know, make those connections because I, you know, I those connections. Cause I, you know, I'm not going to be showing them the exercises in clinic, but if I connect them with someone who I know will, then that's, that's what I like to do. Do you do that?

Yeah, I do. Is that frequent? It's like, it's not frequent though. You know? So sometimes if someone's like, really like seriously considering it, then yes, I'll say, I know, I know the person for you. Or sometimes if they see, people will see me and they say what do you do i want to do that so then i go oh okay well here's what i do yeah i like that so they can tell they can tell through your doctor's clothing that you're fit when i well when i wear when I don't have sleeves on, which I find gets me more respect than an actual white coat. So, yeah.

But people will ask like, oh, what do you do? Okay, well. You walk around like this. Hi, I'm Dr. Amy West. I mean, some people would say that I do. Not really. Who did we have we had uh we had we had lauren khalil on she's a reporter with the morning chalk up i think she runs their youtube channel over there and she was on and she used to work uh in television like at five or six news stations and

and i think she had a pretty i think she had a pretty, I think she had a pretty good, um, gig, like three of those fucking tiny States in the middle, like Iowa and Missouri and something else. I think she worked on like their morning show or something. She had a big shot there, but anyway, they told her,

yo bitch, your arms are too big. Keep that shit covered. Oh yeah. I'm like, that's fucking nuts. Oh, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at all. And like, that's, yeah, men are intimidated by women with muscles or a lot of men are, I'll say. But yeah, I think even like in the, certainly in a professional setting too, it's kind of like, they're just not used to it either. So like, whoa, what do we cover that? they're just not used to it either so like whoa what do we cover that uh miss west used the word intimidated i looked it up frightened or over awe that means like overstimulated i like over awe

i've never even heard that word that's one word o-v-e-r-a-w-e do you know that word overall i'll look that word up too in a minute frightened or overall especially in order to make them do what one wants. Wow. Yeah. Frightened. What does it mean? What does it mean? Made to feel timid.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. May look at, look at the blame just in the use of that word made like your arms made me feel timid.

Fuck off and grow a set. Yeah, exactly. Do people, will people just reach out and touch them it's happened it's not frequent but it's happened yeah i think you should expect that i think you should give people leeway on that even if you have bound even if you have boundary issues if you have your guns out like i think it's okay people it's or yeah people will comment about that sometimes. I had this guy on yesterday, Amy.

I think you would like talking to him. His name was – what the fuck was his name? He's the walk-on all four guys. He has a million TikTok followers, and he spends a half an hour minimum every day walking on all four. And he started doing that because of wrist injury. What the – Nathaniel Nolan. Okay. And instead of running away from his wrist injury, he was wearing wrist guards and all this shit, his whole like – and instead, he just – he leaned into it.

Day one, he did a plank for a minute. Day two, he did planks for two minutes. And then he just – and every day for 30 days, he increased by a minute. And he was a plank for a minute. Day two, he did planks for two minutes. And then, you know, and he just, and every day for 30 days, he increased by a minute. And he was already a pretty fit guy. And then he started just like walking around. And now he's almost a year into it of walking on all four. And he has had zero wrist pain.

All, everything went away. All sorts of pains went away. And his forearms got crazy. I bet. Yeah. That's interesting. When you look at our dermatomes in our body so basically how the spinal nerves feed our feet our limbs it actually makes more sense when you see someone on all fours than when they're standing up um so for anyone who's a a nerd

into that kind of stuff check it check out a picture of that because it's actually really interesting i'm gonna see if i can put a dermatomes with an m okay explain that to me again i'm gonna see if i can pull this up so that each nerve in our spine nerve root in our spine feeds a part of the body uh-huh yeah you see this is this is real medicine this isn't any of that that that oriental medicine or this is no this is some real This isn't any of that Oriental medicine? No, this is some real stuff. This isn't any of that crazy Asian shit? Yeah, so when you see someone standing up, you see there's like – it's kind of a little hard to understand because the way the dermatomes are labeled. See like L234 in the front, and then in the back, it's the sacral ones.

So it looks kind of weird when someone's standing upright. But actually, if you see the picture of the dermatomes with someone on all fours, it actually makes more sense. Starts to make sense? Yeah, it more visually makes sense. I just can't stop staring at the penis on this one. I'm not surprised'm not yep not surprised i am not oh look look look look here's here's one with one guy bent over so you see how it just

makes a little more sense it kind of goes sequentially rather when someone's standing up yeah so i don't know for for those like us um for we uh medical nerdy people that that was like whoa um but you know that's that's just something that i find interesting god the body's neat hey none of none of the dermatome pictures have a vagina they're all they're all dudes yeah you know what i've never thought about that but wait wait here's one oh there go. I don't know if that's a vagina. Oh yeah. Look at those are, I see those are women's hips. I think. Right. You know, um, I, I never really thought about that before, but I'm, I'm not surprised. That's where your head went with it, but okay.

How, as a doctor, do you have to do continuing education every year? Yeah. We have to do a certain amount of credits and stuff. Don't ask me what they are because I do not remember. I have no idea. But you do stay up with it, right? You have to, right? I mean, I have to, yeah, for my licensing and board certification and all that. And does any of the CrossFit health stuff, I know we talked all that yeah and does any of the crossfit health stuff i know we talked about that earlier does any of the crossfit health stuff cover that so some of the stuff now is cme like the health conference for example we're able to get c i think cme credits for the talk i'm giving with athena at the games i think is going to be a cme credit things can be filmed and recorded so um i that stuff they're starting to do some of those

things which is nice because it's actually stuff that people want to watch that i would actually want to watch that i can get credit for so that's good um that and i remember that being one of the areas that um during crossfit health i would hear doctors talk about that was one of the areas that was kind of the areas that was kind of corrupt. This, the whole CME situation that it was basically, these things were being run by pharmaceutical companies, these continued educations. And it was really basically just extravagant golf trips and shit like that. And not so much anymore. You think that's, that's, I don't, I don't know. I know, I know before it was like very blatant and like, I think they had

to put, crack some rules down that like, you can't, it's like a little bit much, but yeah. You can't be go to Bahamas for a week, but just listen to someone talk for three minutes. Right. Paid for by Pfizer. Yeah. So I don't think that stuff as, as like rampant as it was, but I don't know, honestly. Do you use a chiropractor? I don't. I'm not really like against it or anything.

You don't poo-poo them? No, but I think with chiropractors, it's like their training is so varied. And some of them are really excellent and do really great work. And then there's some people who are kind of a little bit shady in some of the things that they do. Um, I've seen that. Um, so they're all over the place and I think there's some cryo-practors I super have a lot of respect for. I think they're great. Others that I think are a little bit, uh, not so great, but. Why don't you go to one? Don't you need to like,

like need an adjustment every week or something? Um, I, maybe I should, I don't know. I haven't, I've never just never, I've just never done it, but, um, you know, maybe, maybe it's about time. You know, I'm so busy. I don't know if I have to squeeze in time for that, you know? Yeah. I was thinking about, I was thinking about just all this stuff.

I think of my wife as being like super low maintenance, like one of the most low maintenance people I know. But she still has like – there's still just like shit she does as a woman that like she gets haircuts or she'll get her legs waxed or she'll get her nails done or something like that. And I'm just like, holy shit. It's a struggle for me to get to the fucking dentist. Like I don't want to give up any time. I mean I got to call someone and go over to see them for an hour. Fuck that. Yeah.

Yeah. You guys have, you get haircuts. I do. I have, so my hair is curly. So I have it. It's, it's a lifestyle, not a hairstyle. There's a lot of things I have to do in my day to, to, to maintain this. I'll say that.

Yeah. If on a humid day, that shit'll get crazy right oh yeah oh yeah there's a whole there's a whole thing that i do with it that i gotta yeah so um yeah i'm generally like a low maintenance person in general but with my hair i gotta there's shit that has to be done shit that has has to be done. When I came into CrossFit, everyone came in through the website. And so when I hear people say stuff like affiliates are too expensive or the barrier to entry is too high, I kind of trip. Because I, and I, and, and we, I basically like, we would go to the website and we would see the word snatch or the word clean and jerk or the word thruster. And then you would have to start, and they didn't have pictures and videos on there yet.

So you'd have to search the internet to figure out what these movements were. Or you had to like, you had to, you had to start doing research. Right. And you had to look around. And, and, and Greg made everything free. Right. And Greg made everything free. And there's very big names in the tech world that we all know who they were going to be original investors in CrossFit, but they decided, fuck this. This guy, Greg Glassman, is crazy. He's giving everything away free. batshit crazy and they the seminars and then soon as videos started being allowed to go on the web and by allowed i mean the the band there was the bandwidth and speed for people to upload and download it it used to be really slow as you remember and how old are you are you i'm 50 you're not 50 right are you 40 35 no uh i'm 37 oh 37 okay yeah okay so you're just a young you're

just a spring chicken i just you don't look you don't you don't look like you're 50 don't get me wrong it's just you've done thank you yeah yeah you look like you're you look like you're 30 um nice take it so so um it's just it's just a trip to me how much this shit is about so then he started filming all the all the uh we we started filming all the l1s and putting them for free on the internet everyone's like oh my god no one's gonna come because they can just get them free on the internet right the exact opposite happened do you remember i don't know if you remember this he used to start the seminars by saying it would be 60 people in there and he'd be like you paid all paid a thousand dollars to be here when when a 12 year old could figure out everything I'm about to say on the internet today for free, people would be like, yeah.

And the truth was, he was being a little cat. The fact that you could have him and Nicole Carroll and people like that with their eyeballs on you to help on fuck you. That was the vernacular back then. That was invaluable. that was invaluable. And then recently – so then that thing didn't raise in price for $1,000 for 15 years. And recently they just raised it like $100 or $200, and people are getting upset. And I'm just like – I'm just tripping. I'm just tripping that this thing is so fucking amazing.

It's all free on the internet. They never raised the price p it's just uh and yet there's some people who still think it's not um inclusive or isn't accessible or it's like yeah if you if you're blind and deaf i don't know if there is a place for you to get find crossfit if you were both of those i think by design I mean I think by design um CrossFit is like the most accessible accessible form of exercise I don't know if everyone realizes that and self-help longevity health it's like right right but I think there's maybe people don't perceive it that way so like my maybe i don't care about how they perceive it i care about the truth i mean it is the truth i

think it's as far as getting people kind of in the boxes i think is the is the is what we're aiming for right yeah well i don't know um i mean i am for i i don know. I don't know what the goal is, but I was just – now that I'm on this kind of tirade, if you could only take – if you're a human being born on planet Earth and you were only allowed to eat and move so that you live as long as possible and so that you could learn more shit and be happier date more girls or boys i just it's uh i mean how i mean did you take your l1 um well i did i took it a long time ago and then i was part of the first mdl one the first one yeah i was i was ground zero there yeah hey did you like taking the l1 for the second time or like this is lame and i know all this shit no i liked it i mean it was you know what was cool about when i did the the mdl one was that all the people there were you know like the og like mdl one so like we we all like met for the first time there and some of these people are still like really good friends of mine so um you know it it was really it was really nice it

was like crazy experience to be like like flown out to the ranch and like got to see like meet all these people and it was like bizarre experience but great great yeah i mean it was it was it was a lot of fun i loved it and and what you're so knowledgeable on so many subjects and you've gone deep into medicine and yet you still embrace what you learned in these two days and carry it with you everywhere you go and are still part of the mothership yeah i mean it's all it's all to me it's it's what it's like what excites me about i it's it's like actually it's giving real solutions i guess you know i think in medicine it's easy to become very like disheartened and with what we're doing, because it's just, you know, sort of churning out numbers and quick fixes and stuff. But when you, with CrossFit and the L1 and seeing how that could be used so effectively

to, to treat so many different things, it's exciting. I think that's like why a lot of the MDdl ones are or you know we're so excited about that because it's like great there's a bunch of people get it and maybe we can like all do something so you said in the beginning that um these are like-minded doctors and you were referencing uh i think cross-fitting doctors yeah who would go to the um mdl ones or what they call the ddc the derelict doctors club um when you say like-minded could you give me some examples of where you you guys had your your venn diagrams crossed how you were like-minded well i mean one thing was sort of in like personal care. So like self care,

like all of us for the most part were people who prioritize doing CrossFit in our own lives, you know, to take care of ourselves. I made it a priority in our day, which in medicine is very rare, that people actually take care of themselves. So that's part of it. But then also, you know, we all kind of saw the value in what CrossFit can do to change people's health. So, you know, and wanted to kind of incorporate it in some way in our practices. Or I think we're all excited by that too, excited by the idea of potentially being able to mix the two worlds of medicine and CrossFit together more formally. It's, it's, um, when you say personal self-care, I mean, I, all I hear is personal responsibility and accountability. Yeah. There's that. I mean, I think a lot, it's, it's really,

it's not unusual to see a physician who's out of shape right well i think a lot of physicians who are in crossfit um uh um uh there was a physician who was on the show he was a what are the guys that give you the drug anesthesiologist he was an anesthesiologist bob and he was on the show on the crossfit podcast and he basically said that's what he said one time he bent down like next to a patient and he thought to himself holy shit like this patient's looking at me like i'm a fat tub of shit and and and they're looking at me and that's what got him into crossfit he wanted to present

better to his patients he didn't want to be winded when he dropped to one knee to talk to a patient. Yeah. And it's, you know, medical training kind of beats you up and, uh, doesn't allow you to have a lot of time for yourself. So it's really easy to come out the other end of that and be like, Holy crap. Um, to get myself together. I love seven, but he always said, no, no, Russ, I'm going to help you. I love you, Sevan, and you always remind me of the scene from blah, blah, blah, whatever the fuck you said. But it's not but. But gives the implication that it's bad. There's nothing bad about me. I'm good to the center.

There's no but in me. I'm all good. Thoughts on mental health affecting physical health like if you keep emotions etc bottled up it leads to cancer in your body miss amy west um that's bullshit just push that shit down i mean mental health affects everything so i i think it's certainly um can really i mean it can affect you on all ends, certainly physically. I've seen it happen. So I don't know.

I can't say like leading to cancer per se, but certainly leading to other physical ailments for sure. Yeah, I think it's legit. 15 years ago, 20 years ago, I went to a doctor and I asked him something about diet and he, oh, fuck. I was probably 16 years old. 34 years ago, I asked the doctor something at Kaiser and Martinez about diet, and he laughed at me. He tried to make me feel like an idiot for asking it. Then my dad got an infection, I don't know, let's say 15 years ago, and he was in Oakland, Kaiser, and he was in there for like 10 days. And they could not

figure out what the infection was. And they kept giving him all these antibiotics. It was some kind of E. coli and they couldn't, they couldn't fix it and they couldn't grow it on a culture. And it was fucking scary. And, and I remember, and eventually there was a doctor on the East coast who told the doctors on the West coast what it was. And they fixed my dad. I can't remember what they gave him. But, um, but, uh, when I asked the doctors there, West coast what it was and they fixed my dad. I can't remember what they gave him. But, but when I asked the doctors there, Hey, is there anything he should or shouldn't be eating? Maybe this is 20 years ago. Is there anything he should or shouldn't be eating? They laughed at me.

Okay. And these guys now I know are complete fucking idiots because I've done my own research now about NK cells and T cells and how the immune system works and how leptin receptors work. And I know you're fucking your immune system anytime you put sugar in your body, like fucking it, added sugar. It wreaks havoc on – for a bunch of different reasons. Even if someone says, no, it doesn't, a little bit's okay, I know that I can – from the research I've done, I can see insulin in the bloodstream causes at bare minimum traffic that slows down T cells and NK cells in their motility. Bare minimum, but then the implications of what they say about leptin cells or leptin receptors also being the communicators to NK cells from the hypothalamus to tell them, hey, we have a bad guy in the system, and all that shit can get all whack out of whack. And then we see it with COVID.

I said it fucking some pretty radical shit, but basically I want to see someone who doesn't eat refined carbohydrates and added sugars. I want to see one person who died from COVID from that. So now it's like known. Like, hey, what you eat directly affects you. I think what this guy Kenneth is saying is that if you kind of view us as an electrical system, like there's just energies flowing in and out of us, right? Some sort of electrical grid. I don't know. It's probably nothing. And you have some sort of thought that requires energy to have.

And that thought is um i hate armenians and you and and it's a thought you you nerd that that kind of builds when the energy hits that it's like it's like i guess i picture maybe like sun going through a magnifying glass it starts burning and causing disease it manifests as something else right okay so he suggested i think what he's suggesting is that if you have shitty thoughts can those somehow fuck up your electromagnetic field i have no idea what i'm talking about i mean and and it start and it start to uh what's the word what you guys use where like mastitate what's that what's that what's it comes it causes necrosis like can that manifest can

thought actually manifest into physical disease is what he's asking i'm trying to paint some sort of imaginary picture for it but so i mean i think the way that i can see that happening is sort of through stress hormones in your body so if you're okay a lot of anxiety or stress or whatever that increases stress hormones in your body essentially it's sort of like an inflammatory response if you will so okay and that brings it to more of the physical instead of this kind of imaginary world that I'm like, I mean, I can't think about the electrical fields, but I, but it certainly be a lot of stress in your body that sort of elevated levels and hormones that are circulating that can have all kinds of effects on your, on your body. So, Kenneth, if your thought is that every time you go out, you're worried about a shooter because that's what you see on CNN, even though in your personal life, you've never fucking seen even a gun. Maybe you should probably – that could cause some sort of physical or chemical reactions in your body that fuck you up. Potentially. I mean if you're living at a high anxiety level all the time that's not good for your body um oh someone like someone just wrote yeah so something like shingles for example um that like lives in your nerve roots and when under high if your body

is under stress you can i can kind of um reappear essentially that actually happened to me. So I know. So, um, you, you had shingles. I did. Yeah. My mom had that too. Is that,

she said it's fucked up. It sucks. I mean, it was a long time ago, but it hurts. Yeah. That's what she said. It's like a dormant,

uh, virus that just kind of lives in your nerve roots, but under stress, it can pop up. So that's an example of like physical you know i'm trying to think of what's what stress is like yesterday a cop was driving behind me and i got stressed out i don't even know why i think i think i'm not i don't i didn't do anything wrong i got my insurance in my car but i just you know what i mean do you get stressed out when they're, do you, do you drive a car?

Do you own a car? I do now. Yeah. I am pretty common for New York people not to own a car, right? Yeah. Well, I work, I kind of work out, uh, outside of the city, so I need one, but, but yeah, but I have a shield because I work with the police department. Oh, so what do you do?

That's right. I do see pictures when I used to be able to look at Instagram earlier yesterday. I would see pictures of you with firefighters and police officers. What's that relationship about? Yeah. So, I mean, I know a lot of, you know, like I said, my family's been involved in law enforcement firefighting for my whole, you know, my life. So I ended up connecting with the NYPD CrossFit guys, um, and the FDNY

CrossFit guys, and they were sort of independently doing things. And, uh, I, I guess I became, I'm sort of like their, their, their team physician, if you will. Um, and then we organized events. I got my health system to sponsor them. So, um, you know, kick back a little money for them and then they get to do cool events and they're doing some cool community events and things like that. So, you know, when they have an event like I'm there and we, you know, it's just sort of I kind of work with them peripherally. way for those of you who don't know how massive that is the nypd has got to be probably 30 000 cops and 45 000 total personnel probably another 15 000 civilians is it that big it's huge right it's i mean big i don't know the numbers but nypd uh like a few so pre-covid um the nypd had a functional fitness seminar and they invited me kelly starrett and jason kalipa to speak at it it was actually this really cool event where

they did they invite me why didn't they invite me i don't know 36 000 officers 19 000 civilians okay go on yes yeah so they had this big functional fitness event. And at the time the thought was maybe like to incorporate more like crossfit training into their training or whatever. But, um, and it was great. I mean, we had a huge auditorium full of people who were all like on board, like, yeah, let's do this. And then like COVID hit commissioners change, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, who knows, but, um, but yeah, so it was, uh, it was, it was pretty, it was a pretty cool event to see the, the, I'm talking about, you know,

CrossFit stuff, but actually met, I met these guys through like doing local competitions, I think. And like, and actually at one of the, one of the events I was at, someone said, they had heard, heard you talking about me and they said, Oh, I heard, i heard your name on seven's podcast so you must be cool i was like oh yeah yeah good oh that was the one where i was saying i can't believe you're still single you're a good catch thank you i i appreciate i appreciate that so but i but i know why now you're too busy listen i make time for things

i need to make time for so any if there are any people out there, any guys looking for – yeah, we can make this a live call-in show. Let's do it. If you're intimidated by strong women, Amy West is for you because then she can help you get over those fears. There you go. She'll cure you. Hal Roberts says, 26 years working as an occupational therapist along with the required continuing education and they'll want to still easily the best continuing education I've attended. Yeah, if you want to apply something, man. You like my electric field explanation. Okay, good. The imagination of a podcast host.

I appreciate you coming on. I have three pages of notes. I never even got to. You got the imagination of a podcast host. I appreciate you coming on. I have three pages of notes I never even got to. I got to have you back on. Did you have fun? Oh, yeah. I always enjoy talking to you. It's been a while, so I'm always down for that.

You have a dog in there? He's not here right now, but I do have a dog. And where is he? He's at my parents' house right now because I didn want him like bouncing around in the background the whole time oh shit that's nice you so when you have when i saw a picture of that dog um i thought oh shit if that dog has to so if that dog wakes you up at three in the morning like like last night my dog licked me in the face and my dog does not lick me in the face like so i'm like okay something and i went outside and he took a deuce at three in the morning and that's that's just a totally you know

like i'm glad i listened to that because you know that don't that doesn't happen very often what happens if your dog licks you in the face i mean you look like you're up high in a building i am um well he doesn't he doesn't do that like i he like he has his own room that he sleeps in that has like a nice manhattan view by the way um and i he doesn't wake me up in the middle of night i mean sometimes you know this happens when i uh there's a surprise on the floor in the morning but that's not that's not typical so but but you do if he has to pee or poop you have to take him out it's like having a dog in the city is like a commitment. Yeah.

Go down the, down the hallway, down the elevator. Yeah. And are you ever like, oh shit, I think I've waited too long. He's going to do it in the elevator. No, but when I first got him before he like understood that what an elevator was, there was some, there were some times, one time he went inside the revolving door. So that was fun. Wow. With his leash on.

Yeah. He just started squatting as the door was spinning. There's this story of Nicole Carroll walked onto an elevator with her dog, and the door closed on the leash of what the dog was dog was on i don't know if i'm telling the story exactly right but the dog started going up oh yeah and nicole just fucking grub grabbed yeah if she wasn't fucking cock diesel strong that had never she basically grabbed this leash and hung there and let it pull her and the dog up and then eventually the leash snapped but if it wouldn't i think it maybe would have just pulled the dog up and just fucking killed the dog you know what i mean yeah i've seen i've seen videos of that of people dying like that

yeah there's a show on spanish tv called alarma tv that you have to watch it because they show the craziest videos but things like that or like people getting decapitated in elevators like crazy but it's yeah i've seen i think i've seen a video too where that happens have you ever been stuck in an elevator no i hope that i hope i don't i hope that doesn't happen yeah but i don't think so it happened to me in portland the fire department had to come get us out and right before i got on the elevator was in a hotel i'm like you know i have to pee really bad maybe I should pee in here in the lobby I'm like I'm going to my room I'll just pee in my room and then I got stuck in the elevator so I couldn't even enjoy the two hours in the elevator if there wouldn't have been other people

in there I'd have peed in the corner oh that, that's nice. The corner. Did you hear me? Thoughtful. Next time, you know. It's always next time. Corey, there are mysteries in life. And yes. Yeah, Corey. I'm asking myself the same question, Corey. You're right. This is one of them.

Yeah. Thank you for coming on. Thanks for your... People are going to think I'm on my best behavior with you. That makes me happy. That means my mom's going to be happy too. Really? Wow. Okay. Well, I'm happy, happy to do it. I'm not intimidated by her arms. I'm intimidated by her, uh, schooling. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a regular girl. All right. Um, you can only text me now we can no longer talk on instagram since my account is gone all right sounds good all right have a great day thanks for coming on same to you nice seeing you again bye bye another show down the hatch hey if if if if i did i i aspire to be described as cock diesel strong someday yes i um i was stressed out when they closed the case the nsca case because what was going on and being uncovered on was really messed up yeah jeffrey howard l3 so i'm freaking out not that my instagram is gone but that my computer i want to show you guys what happens here maybe someone so when i it must be something in my cookies, right, in my cookies, my cookies. If I go here to – so this is – so I'm on – this is just the browser Safari is open, right? This is how I would share a page, and I type in Instagram.com, right?

And I get sorry something went wrong. And that's because it's somewhere in my cookies or somewhere. It's trying to log on to my Seva Matosian Instagram account, which has been canceled. So, how do i fix that anyway i think matt suza i can't do the live call-in show without access to instagram because that's like the whole show is me just leaning on all sorts of shit in my notes from instagram but i think sua will be here tonight. Anyway.

And then tomorrow we have Dalton Ross on. Savon, you're being hacked by the feds. You're definitely on the watch list by the disinformation board. That's okay. I didn't do anything wrong. Just chilling. Shut down and restart? Oh, really?

Okay. I like. Oh, the whole computer or just, all right, that's fine. I was going to say the whole computer or just Chrome. Oh, let me see. Maybe if I open, I'm in Chrome. Maybe if I open Safari. so i i wonder do i get my it says i'm suspended but that's just them lying to me right that's like they don't know what the definition between gender and sex like they say suspended but but it really is uh what's the two things that could happen to you in school when you're in high school you could be suspended or started with an e not extradited what was it expelled instagram oh wow it's asking me if i want to sign on when i go to safari with my at savomatocin account all right let's see what let's see what happens here oh it says they just sent me a text with my code to log back into my account all right okay guys i'll finish this up maybe i'll expel thank you kenneth um look at all the

expelled wow you guys are fast brandon waddell dick butter geez louise geez louise heidi krum j kelly elise car riddow kenneth the lap and bruce okay guys i will uh hope you guys enjoy the show and i will see you guys this evening buh-bye