The Sevan Podcast - #5 - Shakha Gillin

Episode Date: May 7, 2020

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Oh, that's okay. It's S-H-A-K-H-A. Uh-oh, this pen doesn't work. S-H-A-K-A. Why do I, that's it? You have to add an H. K H a. Okay. And I always want to spell it S H a K a H. Well, so that extra, I don't know how to spell. So no, my, like my dad at one point told me I say my own name wrong,

but it's in Indian in Gujarati. There's like, there's two letters. There's one that's a K and's one that's a K and then one that's a KH and so that's what it is it it's still shaka I don't I don't actually care you're a pediatrician yes how long have you done that 20 years I holy smokes yeah so I went to college 1990 to 93 I went to UCSD I went to graduate 1990 to 93. I went to UCSD. I went to- Did you graduate from high school in 90? I graduated from high school in 90.

Did you? Oh, me too. Yeah. I'm 47. How old are you? I'm 48. I look so much older than you. Did you skip a grade?

No. I mean, I was only 17 when I graduated, but I didn't skip a grade. I don't look, I look way older. I do. You look young as shit. You look like a young, you look like a young Indian girl. See, it's, and I don't, Botox, even though you've seen my twin and, you know, she's a dermatologist. Well, you've seen my twin and, you know, she's a dermatologist.

And I think everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I don't, I actually like looking older now. You don't have any signs of North County, San Diego. Yeah, right, right. Code Botox. You look great. I got, I don't, I don't have either of those. Right. So 94 to 98, I went to UCSD for med school. I said, I didn't med school for undergrad med school for med, sorry,

UCSD for undergrad UCSD for med school, did my residency, then did a chief year and then started working in private practice in 2001. And are babies your specialty or do you take them all the way to how old? I take him to 18, but I actually have a lot of kids that I continue to take care of afterwards because they go off to college and then they, we still want to see them and they still want to see us. It's nice. Like we love them. So you've had, have you had clients for 20 years? Do you know someone from one to 21? Yeah. I have, I have grandkids too. Like I have, I'd have kids that I've known and they've had kids. It's awesome. I know. Right. It's really lucky. It's like super lucky. And it's like, it's a long relationship and they don't always love me. And sometimes I'm mad at them and that's okay.

You know, one of the weirdest things to hear as a parent, um, and you have a, you have a child too. You have a boy, right? He's 15, 15. I have a 15 year old son. Um, when you're just minding your own business, maybe you're sitting on the toilet, looking at your Instagram and the other parent says, where's so-and-so like I just, just now this morning, I heard my wife asking one of my other kids, where's this kid? Just that you just feel your heart just like drop, like, wait, someone doesn't know where, I mean, even though the whole time, I don't know where my kids are. But as soon as you hear that, where's this kid? And you're just like, Oh, and I immediately jump up and start searching for him. It's weird. Once you have

kids, you're like never really off. But I'll tell you, once they turn about like 11, 12, Taj now, he's 15 and I can go the entire day and have no clue what he did. It's, they're just become completely independent. It gets pretty crazy. Yeah. Why aren't kids getting COVID? Or let me re rephrase that why is it so few kids are getting

covid why is it just like minuscule amounts i think there's a lot to it the kids are getting covid they are um i don't but just just so you would say when they're getting it like i just it was 22,360 people who, God, were they hospitalized or did they have COVID? I want to say that they had COVID. I'm trying to remember which country it was, but only 10 of them were between the age of zero and 19. Sorry, it was deaths. It was deaths in a country i think it was the uk 23 600 deaths and 10 of them were um for kids between the age of 0 and 19 so i'm sorry i asked the question wrong they're getting the covid sorry why are the numbers so freaking small 10 out of 24 000 yes okay so the two parts that one is is, are they getting COVID? The verdict's still out, but I'll tell you as a pediatrician, I think that they're getting COVID. I think that

their symptoms are just mild. Why are they not dying from COVID? And so you're absolutely right. I mean, there's been sprinkling of cases that are more severe with kids with COVID, but for the, I mean, other than maybe a dozen kids who were more severe in the entire world, we're not seeing any significant deaths from COVID in kids. And I think it's because COVID is specifically, the severity is with people with chronic disease. So it's the diabetics, it's the heart disease. There recently has been some discussion about the vasculitis and inflammation and so the vascular inflammation. And so we are seeing some kids with a little bit of vascular inflammation, but

you take somebody who is, you know, 40, 50 and has diabetes or heart disease, or you take somebody 80 who maybe has mild but has had it for a long time, chronic disease. They're much more susceptible to die than a five-year-old who is been pretty healthy all their lives. all their lives. So what you're saying is someone between the age of zero and 19 hasn't been on the planet long enough to damage themselves enough to make them susceptible for COVID to push them off the cliff into death. I would totally think that. I totally think that. What is chronic disease? Okay, sorry. Answer that. Go ahead. Finish. For kids, there's like this idea. We don't know 100%. There's this idea behind perhaps they don't a hundred percent. There's this idea behind, perhaps they don't have the receptors. And there is that science, there's these angiotensin receptors that perhaps they don't have, which may be part of it. We see that with strep, strep pharyngitis, we see kids less

than three usually don't get it. But overall for kids, kids overall are still getting it. Just like strep. Strep, you usually don't get it in less than three. I see nine-month-olds with it. So every kid's not the same. And so kids are getting it. I'll tell you, we've seen kids with it. They're just getting it mild. And which is, I'm just going to make a comment. I know you didn't ask this, but it's one of the reasons why when you talk about how bad these viruses are and shutting down economies and shutting down actual other healthcare, all of that, this one's not hitting the kids. I mean, thank God we can all go to bed and know that our kids are okay. I think I could Google right now. I could make up like just really obscure shit, like kids that died from swallowing batteries and I could Google right now, I could make up like just really obscure shit, like kids that died

from swallowing batteries and I could find, or kids who tripped and fell downstairs on a seatbelt and their baby seat. I would bet that I could find more kids who die from accidents with their baby seat than COVID deaths. I mean, I don't know that I haven't looked, but there's all sorts of freakish. I mean, I Googled recently 12,000 people die a year from falling down the stairs totally you can probably get more like selfie deaths death by selfie with children than you would with covid self what's selfie death what's what's that mean you know death right like you're taking your own selfie and you die oh there's behind you oh yeah right or you fall down fall step off a cliff or fall down some stairs or like the people who've done the selfie with the handgun and accidentally shoot themselves.

Yeah. Like that happens to me on a cliff, by the way, because I'm so bad. I can't even get the right button. Fall into the Grand Canyon as you're taking your selfie. Yeah, totally. OK, then you were going to ask me about the chronic disease and I just cut you off. Sorry. So what is chronic disease? That's such a, I mean, there's so many reasons to answer that. Wait, sorry, let me ask you one more question first. So comorbidity is when there's multiple reasons why someone died. And underlying conditions is just if you have, you're alive.

It's a comorbidity, but you're alive, right? You get what I'm saying? Comorbidity is a term you only use for dead people. Yeah. And underlying conditions is you can use it for dead people or alive people. Yeah. It's basically the same stuff. This is all like, but they all refer to chronic diseases. Is that true? Yes. Chronic diseases. Well, comorbidities, um, you know, it's, you could consider like smoking a comorbidity, but it's not really a chronic disease. Okay, right, okay. But it's kind of just the way we talk about it, right? But smoking does cause chronic disease.

The actual fact of smoking isn't a chronic disease. Totally. So it's just the way, like the words we use, right? So at the end of the day, chronic diseases are diseases that are considered for a prolonged period, the word chronic, right? So it's less than, sorry, excuse me, it's greater than three months. So you have it for longer than three months. And I think like the way I like to describe it is it's the self-inflicted inflammation that occurs from, and I say self-inflicted because it's due to choices. So it's not an accident. It's not an ingestion, right? So, I mean, I think that-

Give me an example. What do you mean self-inflicted? Like I drink too much soda? I drink a Coke and M&Ms every morning at lunchtime? No, that's actually chronic disease. That's what I mean. When you say self-inflicted, what do you mean? Yeah. So yeah. So yeah, self-inflicted. Exactly. So by diet and exercise choices, diet and exercise smoking. Yes. I'm sorry. I lost the track on that, but yes, absolutely. Versus an infection, which again, you know, we've all heard that amazing, the five buckets of death, which is just fantastic, but it's like basically not some sort of the chronic disease is not something you're born with. So if you're born with, you know, not four

chambers of your heart, so you have a congenital heart defect, right? Or if you have, you know, in an infection, an infection can cross over now, as we've seen with COVID and we see with influenza, with so many other viruses and infections that when you have chronic disease, you're just much more susceptible to infections. Okay. Let me go through some of these things that I keep seeing in the paper over and over and see if these are chronic diseases. These are comorbidities. These are comorbidities. So every day, I see that it seems like the lowest I've seen now is 88% of the deaths in COVID of comorbidities, but I've seen as high as 99%. And I feel more confident. It feels like when I investigate people who died who were seemingly healthy, they all seem to be obese, just from pictures I've seen.

Totally. And the more numbers are more like the 95 to 99%, 99 to 99, 95 to 99%. And, um, there was something interesting that I did. I do understand is that a lot of times they won't give the, um, the coma, but they won't say anything. And so I think the reporters will report that as healthy, otherwise healthy individual. And it's not that they were healthy. It's that they weren't able to list their medical history because of privacy regulations. And so just because something's not given to the media, it doesn't mean that it wasn't there. And right. Well, yeah, that and some of the just the negligent reporting. So the lady who died, the first lady who died in Santa Clara County, she's the first death in the United States on February 6th.

I forget her name. But the report from CNN was is that she died seemingly healthy. And I remember her picture. And she was 57 years old. And they posted a little tiny headshot of her. And the headshot of her, she looked great. She didn't even look 57. She looked like she was 37.

Well, then I searched her name on the Internet and I found a more recent picture of her. She looked great. She didn't even look 57. She looked like she was 37. Well, then I searched her name on the internet and I found a more recent picture of her and she was easily 60 pounds overweight. And, uh, she clearly had health issues. You know, she was one of those women that had arms bigger than like, you know, my thigh. It's unfortunate. Right. It's unfortunate. But i just need the reporting to be accurate so basically what i'm trying to figure out is this hypertension diabetes obesity what are these things and why are they why are all the people dying have it why do they have these things and why and and what confuses it more is they keep saying black people, men, and elderly are more susceptible. And they're adding these three factors in.

And that makes it more confusing for me, too, because the real number I want to look at is this big one, this 95% of comorbidity. I don't think it has anything to do with – I don't think this virus is like, oh, there's a black man who's 65. Let's get him. I mean, this is not smart, right? It doesn't have a, this virus just, it's equal opportunity, right? It is. Except for maybe kids, except for maybe babies.

No, it's still equal opportunity. It's not like, oh gosh, the babies are so cute. Let's not, let's meet, right? It's not. And so what are, and are these things, can we just go through some of these? Like what is hypertension? High blood pressure, but I think that it's high blood pressure. And so what happens with your high blood pressure is, is that, you know, depending on what's causing it. And the majority of times it's actually, um, it's being caused by, by dietary, um, by dietary choices.

Like what gives you high blood pressure if you eat it? Well, okay. So it's the traditional thought, the old fashioned medical thought was it was salt. And I don't think that, I think it's sugar and inflammation that goes towards creating a high insulin response. And the insulin response will go and to all end organs or wherever it goes, it will cause damage to everywhere it affects. And so that's going to cause the diabetes, which is when you're, the diabetes is when your, the diabetes is when your blood sugar is high. Okay. Um, and then hypertension is when you're, um, the, the pressure in your bloodstream is high and then your body has, um, compensatory mechanisms that it has to keep, to keep all of your, your system working right. Right. So if your blood pressure is high, um, I'm trying to think of how to describe it. Like bottom line is if your blood pressure is high,

right, your heart has to work harder. Okay. Right. Heart's pumping against something that has a higher pressure. And so your body's working harder. I think you said that. And then you gave me something else. Obesity. Obesity is just the obvious. Oh, careful. It's not not it's not obvious to anyone it's a but now obesity is like a rash where you can't hide it right right but i don't think people know i don't i think a lot of people don't even know why they're obese like they just think like either they're on aisle or they think that they just eat too much or they're like hey man i haven't like i haven't eaten and I only drink

three Cokes a day and only have a pound of M&Ms. Why am I fat? Totally. It's not rocket science. It's not rocket science. Do you remember when there was like, um, everybody was looking for like the, the leptin, um, you know, what, what's causing you to be obese. And it's not that, um, but the thyroid is what regulates when you're hungry or not hungry, right? Yeah. But it's not, it's not related to any of that. We're all hungry when we see junk food. I mean, it's pretty rare that you go past a donut and smell it. Actually, there's psychological changes that happen. So the psychology to the physiologic changes that happen to your body. So there's, when you smell food, when you smell food, your hormones release all sorts of

things in your body to make you want to eat. Have you ever noticed that you're not hungry? And then you walking through the kitchen is crazy. Yeah. Anytime I walk through my kitchen, I have to like hold my hands by my side. I cannot even be hungry at all and just walk by a jar of like macadamia nuts and like a handful of them has got to go down. Exactly. And so it's not, there's nothing special in your body. You know, the people, people come to me and say, I think my, my child is sugar sensitive. Now your child is not sugar sensitive. Everybody's sugar sensitive. And I understand they, they asked me this because, you know, they have two or three kids and one kid will eat more sugar than the others.

And that's fine. I think that's more behavioral, but it's not that one kid is more sugar sensitive. We're all sensitive to sugar. Sugar is toxic to all of us. And so in time, I'm not going to even go over the whole thing because literally it's like chapters and chapters and chapters of, we could like talk for two days about the, the biology and the chemistry behind why sugar will then eventually lead to hypertension, diabetes, but I just think it's important to know that it does. And this is what I've been, this is what I've been, you know, programmed by, by being in the, in the CrossFit cult, but

is, is to avoid sugar. And that's what I'm telling people. Like if, if I age, if, if, so, so basically we went through hypertension, sugar-related, diabetes, sugar-related, obesity, sugar-related, high blood pressure, sugar-related, and these seem to be all wrapped up in the comorbidities. Matter of fact, people are having multiple of these. Like what was it in, in, in, I don't remember if it was China or Italy, 47% of the people had three comorbidities, which makes sense, right? If you're obese, you, you, there's a good chance you have type two diabetes and you have hypertension, right? Yeah. And then I want to mention on the, on the diabetes that, you know, 50% of people have diabetes or prediabetes. The majority of people don't know it. And so why, why do the majority of people don't know they have prediabetes, the majority of people don't know it. And so why, why do the

majority of people don't know they have prediabetes or diabetes? Because our norm is to have so much sugar that we think we're okay. Okay. And also if you eat a ton of sugar and then you exercise and you work it off, you actually don't have to be obese, but you could be pre-diabetic or diabetic. Does that make sense? The majority are actually normal weight. So the obesity is helpful to recognize. You're like, whoa, there's a problem. But if you look like somebody like me, I also could be pre-diabetic and never have known it. Because I can just eat a ton of sugar and work out and think I look okay. No, no, it's okay. It's okay. We have an unstable connection. That's my fault.

I need to hook this computer up to an ethernet. Can you hear me? Okay. I can hear you now. I know you're a doctor and this is, I'm putting you on the spot by asking you to speculate what the media is doing. We see all the comorbidities. We see all the underlying conditions. The media is not hiding that, but it is just always a footnote. It's not very often in the title of the article. We're getting tons of advice on flattening the curve, how to wear your masks, the importance of quarantining. We're seeing all these people doing the virtue signaling through

their social media. They're doing their part. When to me, there's really should only be one message. And I actually heard Charles Barkley say it on CNN. It's time for personal responsibility. It's time to buy an assault bike, stop your drinking to only during the weekends and completely cut out refined carbohydrates and sugar. If you actually want to survive this thing. If you're taking the fucking COVID seriously, fuck your mask. I mean, that's my opinion. Like, why isn't the media saying that? Why don't they just, I mean, or am I just totally lost my mind? No, I actually love Charles Barkley, by the way. I think he's really smart. So take personal responsibility. I completely agree.

Why is the media not emphasizing health in a health crisis? I don't know. More specifically than health. Like, I don't want to hear about hydroxychloroquine. I want to hear about fucking get off the sugar. Like, why are people trying? Why is someone like waiting for a vaccine, waiting for the drug when all they have to do i'm pretty sure that they you could have this amazing transformation in 21 days i'm pretty sure you could just stop eating sugar and refined carbohydrates get all the carbohydrates you want from from green vegetables or if you if you're in a food drought

because i know that's the excuse people like to do stop eating both pieces of bread on your sandwich i mean really take the refined carbohydrate sugar thing seriously and i think in three weeks you should have an immune system that makes it so we won't be reading about you in the paper i mean this is going off of what the media is telling me but yet no one's saying that yet it seems so obvious well i'm going to be like not, so I think that is, that's a huge, huge part of it, but I'm going to go like a little bit broader. I actually, so I think that number one, the media should be talking about that. Right. But why are they not talking about it? So yes, eating right and exercising have to be, and then getting proper sleep is extremely important,

right? That's going to keep you from being another statistic, which most of the people who are listening and most CrossFitters already know that, right? They know that the key to them is to keep doing it during quarantine. It's not like, oh, I can't get out. I was told I can't get out. Well, first of all, everybody in the US, I think can get out. So you got to just figure it out, modify, do something. But you've got to exercise. I would say it's time to not exercise once a day, but to exercise two or three times a day. But Shaka, Shaka, and please push back.

The truth is the diet will get you to the 90-yard line, won't it? 100%. 100%. I mean, just stop. Yeah. Just stop eating the sugar. And you know what's even better? You're not only helping yourself. I mean, just stop eating the sugar. And you know what's even better?

You're not only helping yourself, you're helping all of civilization. Actually, all these people who are saying, oh, I want to help my local physicians and doctors, and you're not doing your part if you don't stay quarantined. No, that's actually not true. You're not doing your part if you're eating refined carbohydrates. 100%. 100%. But here's why the media is not saying- Thank you. This interview is over. Yeah, the conversation is over. 100%. No, but why is the media not saying it? Yes, why?

Why is Baskin Robbins open while gyms are closed? Yes. It goes down to the same one thing. none of this has been based on science. There's no science behind why the florist is going to be opening up on Friday, but the CrossFit's not. There's no science behind that. Okay. There's no science behind why daycares have actually been open the whole time up to 10 kids. And yet gyms have not right.

There's so hospital celebrating the 150 cases of candy. Hershey chocolate sent them. That's just embarrassing. And pictures of the admin standing in front of four pallets of fucking candy. But I'll go, yeah, I'll go more with Charles Barkley than I will with, it's not just the sugar. We do also have

to be responsible because we actually just, and I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this with COVID like I do every year with influenza and RSV. For me, influenza and RSV are a big deal because I take care of kids. What's RSV? What's RSV? RSV is respiratory syncytial virus. It's a virus that can give adults a cold, but little babies can die from it. And I have seriously sick babies every winter with this. And people walk around with the worst hygiene I've ever seen. They have colds and they touch babies and they make my baby sick. Bottom line is they make my baby sick. So would it be wonderful is if everybody could be eating perfectly and we don't have any viruses around. Awesome. But

that's not the case. So we do have viruses around. We do have COVID around. And someone is going to visit their grandparents or the parents. And so yes, would it be nice to eliminate the deaths by getting those grandparents off the sugar? Yes. But in the meantime, I'm going to also say that we have to be responsible with hygiene. If you're sick, you can't go visit your grandparents in a nursing home. So I do believe that that has to be part of the message. The problem is they've totally gotten rid of them. They're not even addressing the message of be healthy. When they're putting gyms and boutique exercise studios, boxes, whatever you want to call it,

when they're putting them in the same category as nail salons, I feel like it's insulting. And movie theaters, it's insulting. They've eliminated it as a part of health, and they put it into something of pleasure. Right. I don't think there's a better time ever than to just completely vilify sugar. I hear what you're saying.

I know. I know. It's important to wash your hands. And I know I've said it five times. I'm a broken record. But how does anyone have an opinion on anything? Like, if you could only do one thing, wear masks and have hand sanitizer or not eat sugar which would you choose me to protect yourself from uh the covid yeah there was only one of the like if you had to be like okay i i can with the

magic with the with the wave of a wand i can lower my blood sugar level to the perfect number or i could have all the masks and hand sanitizer i want. What would you do? That's not a good option. I would say eliminate all the sugar, eliminate the sugar, and stay away from sick people. Those are the two I would choose. I don't think that the mask and the hand sanitizer. Now, would I go to a medical facility with no soap? No, I don't want to go to a hospital with no soap. As a doctor, do you want me walking?

I haven't eaten any sugar. So I'm going to come take care of you without washing my hands. No, I want both. I don't have to have one or the other. I'm going to have both. I'm going to have hygiene and get off the sugar. You don't like my question. You don't like my question. That's a lot higher. You don't like my question. No, but what I'm, what you're getting to is absolutely the sugars causing the, the severity and the mortality in this virus. A hundred percent. People ask me not as often as they ask you probably only once a day for me. What, what's your plan for your fitness for your kids? They always ask me and And I always, you know, I don't really have a plan. I'm just kind of winging this. And since I work for CrossFit,

it's pretty easy to wing because it's in my face all the time, healthy people and movement and being creative around human movement. But I tell people who have babies, in my opinion, and this is based in no science, that the holy grail of fitness is crawling. is based in no science that the holy grail of fitness is crawling and that i would encourage you never ever ever to encourage your kids to walk i wouldn't keep those things in those house that the kids stand up and push i wouldn't put your fingers out and let them walk i wouldn't do any of that shit and i would never put socks on them either because you want their and i would never put those onesies on them that cover their feet and I just want my kid like his walking should take because once he walks that's it you're done crawling why do you say that because I love what you I love what you're saying but I want why why do you think crawling is so important I want to know what you like you say that uh because it's

it's so physical because now like you know in the you know when you go to your crossfit gym and they're like okay we're gonna warm up with bear crawls I'm like like, you know, in the, you know, when you go to your CrossFit gym and they're like, okay, we're going to warm up with bear crawls. I'm like, fuck me. You know what I mean? But I always feel so good. My shoulders feel great. My hips feel great. My legs feel great. My brain feels great. I come to the present when I have to go on all fours, like instantaneously, right? There's all that, you know, the left side and right side, all that shit that the psychologists love to talk about. Well, that's it. So if you look at what babies do when they crawl, and then you also threw in they are not wearing socks, a lot of that is sensory input.

And so what we'll see with kids is like, even right now, when you have older kids who aren't quite having the same social interactions, and they're having difficulties with their sensory input, if you get them to go back and crawl, a lot of it gets, a lot of it improves with them crawling. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Like how old kids are you talking about? Like five-year-olds, 10 years old? Yeah. There's actually like different schools of thought on it that the crawling is really, it's during a pivotal time of development for sensory input. So, and it makes sense, right? I mean. You're getting, you're crawling. Yes. Yes. It's motor, but it's also, they're touching

things. They're feeling things. they're having, like you said, the left side of the brain and the right side of the brain. And, and it's all being integrated. And so it's, it's fascinating because I always was taught when I did pediatrics, like, you know, a million years ago is that kids don't have to crawl, but throughout my practice- Who taught you that? That was like something taught in school?

Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter. They're fine. If they don't crawl, it's okay. Because sometimes kids will go straight from sitting to standing to walking. They start cruising the furniture. But I'll tell you from my experience, it's been, and now we've just seen so much more of it with an explosion of sensory resources. we have seen so that yes you know kids can go straight from the standing to cruising furniture but those that crawl really get that um that part of the development where they they have all of that sensory input i think it's great yeah and it's funny i i always took it to, I less, I worried less about the mental than the physical. I just thought, hey, and that maybe that's just because, you know, the CrossFitter in me.

But you're right. It's crazy sensory. But the reason why I didn't put the socks on them is because I wanted them to be able to use their toes and their feet. And I didn't want to. What does that mean? That means they have to feel it. They know what things feel, right? And then they use it because they grip with it. I love what you're doing with the kids.

I love, not only are you just letting them move around all day. So when you talk about what do we recommend for the kids, just move. How about this? Just get up and do something. But what I love is that what you're doing with your posting is you're really encouraging others to get that idea and to just let their kids. It's just such a great influence. How come I don't even have 9,000 followers? I want 9 million followers and Red Bull to offer me a contract. I think it's a thing now. It's like if you're authentic and you're doing

something real that you just you have less followers right like if you yes you can just tag things if you spend your whole time like tat I think like tagging and things like that then you just get a ton of followers and then I'd rather just you just post whatever you want and then just organically, authentically get the followers that get it. So my thing, my only thing around posting is I just want to post every day. So I just want to make sure, and for two reasons. One, because I just want the followers to get their fix, but I guess also because it's kind of my scrapbook, right? Yeah.

And I love making videos. I love it. I love what you're doing with the kids. Thank you. What they're doing. The other thing is falling. So one day I tried to count how many times my kids fall. And like, I was like, it was like by 11 a.m. And each of them had gone like over 200 falls and I just couldn't do it anymore. And the thing with falling is, is that every time

they fall, they have to stand up. And so if you let your kid fall 500 times a day, he has to stand 500 times a day. And I just, and that's happening just on an average day for three years straight. So 500 falls a day, that's 15,000 times. No, is that 150,000 times? What's 15 times 300? Is that 150,000? No. Add two zeros to your 15 times three. 45, right? 15 times 300, you said?

Yeah. 45 and add two zeros. So what is it? 4,500. Is it? 15 times. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. You're right. I love that we're having Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Sorry, you're right. I love that we're having to. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You said 15. It would be 450,000. 450 times 300. Let's do, yeah. 15 times 300.

No, sorry. 500 times 300. If you fall 500 times a day, 300 a year basically what i'm that's right 500 times a day and you do that 365 days a year and you do that for the first three years of your life that's got to be a million do you know how many air squats that is yeah that's another cornerstone for my parenting one just, just because people are always asking, what's the fitness plans? And it's like, okay, let them crawl and let them fall and let them stand. Don't stop them from falling and don't run over and pick them up.

And you understand that you just described not just a physical theory, but also just a way to parent for any type of situation. Let them crawl, let them fall, let them get up, which is something that we are completely, it's so hard for parents to do, but it's so important. It's really important. We need to let our kids crawl, fall, and stand. and stand. And so whether it's for physical activity or, you know, you know, sometimes I just sometimes watch and I'm like,

I couldn't even do it. That one picture that you had with, when they, which one got on the Avi got on the fence. Recently. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When he climbed up on the fence at the baseball diamond. Yeah. I was like, Oh my goodness. I am going to lose my marbles here. His soccer coach hated that. His soccer coach lectured me when I was done. I just hate it. I was just like, oh, my God. OK, so and that happens. Right. And they but whether it's something like that or whether it's like letting our kids go and and do something that they're not comfortable with and then they fall and then they get back up right like i can't we can't give we

can't do everything for them otherwise they don't learn themselves kids are so spoiled nowadays they're so spoiled and they need to learn they need to learn about everything being handed to them 500 falls times 365 is 182 500 times you have to stand up every year yeah that is world-class fitness you can make a song out of that too, like with rent. By the way, so the fence thing, I wouldn't recommend most parents do that either. But since my boys have been hanging from rings and pulling on rings that we have in the living room since they've been nine months old, I have such faith in their grip strength. Totally. But you're absolutely right, though.

And you're right about the foundation for what you've taught them. The foundation of letting them fall. It's hard to do. And you know, you got to use some sense, right? Like, um, there's like a top of a flight of stairs. I don't do that. I don't do that. Like, like if I'm, if I, even now when my kids are five and three, if we're going downstairs or upstairs, I'm always behind them and I'm always on alert to catch them. And although they've never fallen, I'm not letting my, that's my job. No, you're always there. You're always there. You're checked in and you're there. I'm not like, Oh, so cavalier that you just go up the flight of stairs by yourself. And I'm not texting her on my phone. I'm maybe making an Instagram video. Yeah, but you're, you're there. You're totally there. So, um, I love it. What vitamins? So since the COVID thing started, I've made sure I take my fish oil every day.

I take my vitamin C every day. And I take a little vitamin D. I never used to take vitamin D before the COVID. And that's it. And my kids, I give fish oil every day. Oh, good. Is that cool? Should I be supplementing with something else?

Do you believe in vitamins? No, I don't. I believe in eating real foods. Okay, you'd be able to get it with real foods. And what I'm going to talk about kids, because that's what I do is fish oils are actually the only thing I recommend is because they just don't get it. But everything else, they should get real foods. And people always ask me like, you know, what foods should they get? Just get real foods. If you get, and it's pretty impressive.

If you get rid of the junk food, by the way, the other day, I actually, I totally lied. And I told this kid that because of the supply chain issues with COVID, that they stopped making all the crackers and the granola bars because there's been issues with the supply chain. And I went, I almost wanted to tell the kid and I'm

like, mom, you're welcome. I almost wanted to tell the kid that Disneyland isn't never going to open either. But I was like, I can't believe I just lied to this kid. But I'm like, yeah, you know what? They don't make crackers and granola bars anymore. There's a supply chain issue. and granola bars anymore. There's a supply chain issue. So if you get rid of the granola bars, the goldfish, all of the processed foods, your kid will eat enough real foods. Give them some vegetables, give them some protein and healthy fats, give them avocado, eggs, meat. They'll have enough of everything they need. Mix up the colors. Why do parents give their kids sugar? Because it's easy and it's normal.

I think that one of the biggest reasons why is we've normalized it, where people just do what everybody else is doing. I mean, it's kind of like the COVID hysteria. We're just one thing after the next. We're just doing what other people are doing. And we're not really thinking for ourselves. Right. It's really not cool. Right. I mean, giving your kid sugar is really not cool. Right. I mean, no, it's not cool at all, but that's, but I don't think it's like you're hurting your kid. You're a hundred percent hurting your kid.

It's 100% hurting your kid, giving them sugars, hurting them. Absolutely. And they're not meant to eat or have that or, and drink. I said eat, but it's, they're not meant to eat or have that or and drink i i said eat but they're not meant to drink that much sugar and ever ever the amount of sugar that kids get nowadays is the amount like in one day that a kid would have gotten in five years oh my god how long are you talking like a hundred years ago? Right. No, even less than that. Like, like eight years ago. Um, but if you look at it, so even, even the organizations that have been a little bit, um, not so conservative, they've kind of been, they've been, um, moderate because they want to, they want to please parents. They don't want to be too strict. They even say no more than 25 grams of sugar per day, right?

Of 25 grams of added sugar per day. That's more in than in one juice, Gatorade, all of that. And so parents, I mean, just, let's just stop with the drinks. How's that? You don't need to drink anything with sugar, water, milk, if you want. My kids only drink water and whole milk and they don't even drink that much whole milk. Yeah. They just drink water. And you know, I, I actually think the reason why parents are giving them, I mean, the, the juice, the Gatorade, all of just a little bit of lemonade. I'm like a little bit of lemonade. don't need that no what for who is that for yeah i don't think they give it because they're like it's not like they're giving so it's like they're giving their kids cocaine but it's not like they're giving their kids cocaine because they're not intentionally being evil they don't know any better and all the

all the all the bad kids i know eat sugar yeah all the bad kids i know by sugar i mean like like a bagel like i'll be somewhere with with a family and we have our kids and our kids we all show up together somewhere and all of a sudden their kids are eating like doritos or bagels or ice and then they're behaving poorly holy shit yeah it's like so obvious to me my kids my kids if i give them ice cream, like at a birthday party, the next two hours, they ha I have to have them outside. I'll kill somebody. They cannot be in the house. Well, same thing for us too. Right? Like you can feel it. If you ever took the time to actually go, that's my body's response right now, you know, drink a thing of orange juice and

see what your body feels like. It feels awful. You just never recognized it. Right. And so, so even if we went and met the, the medical guidelines, people aren't meeting it. One Snapple has like 60 plus grams of sugar added sugar in it. It's horrible. It's horrible. So I think the real problem is, is that we need to get the word out. We need to get the word out to people that no, a little bit is not a little bit. It's no longer a little bit. It may be a little bit compared to what you did two days ago, or maybe a little bit compared to your neighbors, your friends. But just because everybody's doing it doesn't make it healthy or safe.

And we're seeing what's happening. When parents bring their kids in to see you, do the fathers ever hit on you? All the time. I mean, it's hard not to no seriously do they never ever would you know yeah yeah no i don't because nobody ever does because yeah i'm not buying that i'm not buying that i also have on scrubs i don't have a a bit of makeup. You even commented, you're like, why is your hair back? Like, because I'm being a doctor right now. It's never happened. No, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure now. Because you know what? I mean, I'm actually being sincere.

I think that that's such a special relationship. Like, I love my parents. I love my moms and dads. And we just, I mean, we were in for the long haul. Right. And we're in it for so long that if it's a real, it's a real special relationship too. But dudes are dudes. Yeah. But you're pretty and you're smart and your money. And I would just think that like, there's nothing more important than your kids you know you just went through a divorce now you're over there with dr shaka and your kid you're looking for a new mom for your kid

i love you seth but no and listen i love that people are so good to me because they know that I'll give anything for their kids. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm lucky because, and they know, who do you love more than the people that love your children, right? Oh, man. Someone could just say one nice thing. There's people, actual people that I have not liked my whole life that have been involved in my life for 40 years. And they said one nice thing about my kids.

And I'm like, I fucking love this person. Right. Oh, it's just transformational. If you want to blow someone just love on their kids. Right. But, and I'm like, I, they don't even, they don't always have to like me, but we do love each other because it's, it's a long time. You're talking about your clients, my clients, my, yeah. And like, I'll even say things too. Like, so, so you know that I'm always talking about in what ways we can get rid of the sugar, right? What ways can we have our kids eat properly, eat healthy? But then even other things, like I've had, you know,

I actually love, I've had dads that, you know, I've walked in the room the first visit. I'm like, yeah, you're smoking and you got to stop the smoking. And they'll look at me like, really, why? smoking and you got to stop the smoking. And they'll look at me like, really? Why? You smell it on them? You smell it on them? Yeah. And I've had, I'm, I'm proud to say that the next time they come in, they don't smell like smoke and they'll say, you know, I just, I thought it was really cool that you cared to say something like, well,

I think it's really cool that you stopped because it is really important. So now if I can get that message to the sugar, I think that would be amazing. The problem with the sugar is, is our culture and our society is just coming around to recognizing that. I mean, like you mentioned with the media, with COVID, we're sitting around talking about masks and hand sanitizers, but we're not, but we've put people inside their house so they can't do anything, but sit inside their house and eat, I guess, you know, it's just awful. There's this, there's this fucking pseudo kindness, politeness, niceness, niceness, that really is just codependency and absolving people of personal responsibility. And I'm so fucking sick and tired of it and being vilified for trying to actually help people when the people, and you're being vilified by the people who are actually hurting them with their

bullshit kindness. And I give you an example. You just gave one, the guy came in and he's a parent and he obviously wants advice from his doctor and he doesn't see where it's coming from and he gets it. Quit fucking smoking. Well, yesterday out out of nowhere a young lady i haven't talked to since 2018 she was a guest on the podcast and she had lost like 80 pounds and she had cured herself of crohn's disease or lupus or some shit some crazy shit she cured herself of from doing crossFit and eating right. Right. And she texted me yesterday and said, Hey, I've put on 80 pounds. And I said, Hey man, I just texted her back. You better fucking stop eating. You better fast for 36 hours, just water, stop eating sugar and start exercising. This COVID thing is just creeping on people like you. And she, we went back and forth for about i don't know five or six hours texting and finally she said hey thanks for fucking kicking me in the ass and it's like yeah

i love that was not the time to put on kid gloves and be like it's inappropriate blah blah blah to talk about no that's not like what are you talking about i'm not comfortable telling her that i'm not doing it like i'm not getting doing it. Cause I'm, it's not doing anything for me. I don't care, but it's like, it's, it's, it's like what you owe someone. The bus is coming. Get out of the street. I mean, you fucking owe that to your fellow man. Right. I know. I'm going to say one more thing, pet peeve. These fucking idiots are out walking around Santa Cruz with a fucking mask on, but you're walking in the bike lane. And I go, someone's going to hit you with their car, dude. Why do people walk in the street?

Okay, that was a total tangent. No, I hear you. I completely hear you. And they wear the mask, and then they take them off, and they're eating junk. They're eating sugar. I completely agree with you. You know, it's really hard. I think that you kind of nailed something. It's harder to care about somebody and say the truth than it is to just keep saying yes, yes. Okay, sure. It's so

much harder. And at the same time, it's just, it's actually so much more caring and better if you tell people the truth, right? Right. Oh, so much better. So much better. But it's actually so much more caring and better if you tell people the truth right right oh so much better so much better but it's hard to do and not worry about and not worry about their feelings not be preserving not be preserving um your relationship over their life like their life is what's important yeah do you have you always go ahead sorry no what are you gonna ask have you always had perfect skin do any people do are there going to ask? Have you always had perfect skin? Do Indian people, are there any Indian people who don't have perfect skin? Sure.

I think I, you're so sweet. I had this girlfriend in college. She was Pakistani. And to me, you guys are the same. I'm probably getting in trouble for that. But she was like a, she looked like Cindy. She was like a dark skin, Cindy Crawford, but her skin was like you could ice skate on her skin. That shit was like, so soft velvet. Yeah. Crazy.

And you have great skin and your sister has great skin and Deepak Chopra has great skin. I'm just like, who like, I love you. Well, I love you well yeah we're I think we're lucky we have other stuff we don't even start don't I but Indian people don't have bad skin that's like you can just throw that into like that's that's fair to be racist towards Indian people in Pakistan yeah yeah I think we only have good skin if we have leprosy I could I could uh we have leprosy then you, I could racial profile you guys as having good skin. Yeah. Uh-huh. It's okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, a hundred percent. Like we have great skin. It's funny. Cause your sister's a dermatologist. Yeah. She has perfect skin. It's like, she's not letting me do like the i just like i want to be a junkie and do like lasers and things like that i don't do botox because i don't want to i just kind of want to age right but to each their own right if you would you could do whatever you want i don't care yeah although that that's that there there's people now that there's people now where there's people who've had to get

facial work. I don't know if it's just me. I should actually ask my wife this when we get off the call, but I have trouble. Like I avoid them because I have trouble looking at them because like some chatter starts up in my brain. Like I started like looking at their lips weird or their face weird or their cheeks. And I start's weird. I kind of avoid those people. I wonder if a lot of people avoid them. They kind of look like the Joker from. Yeah, it's weird. Batman.

Is it the Joker? No. What's the one? It's the Joker. The one with the big smile. Yeah, it's the Joker. Yeah. I forgot what his girlfriend's name is, but I love her because Margot Robbie plays her.

Remember? No. Oh, she's rad. In that movie, The Joker? Well, no oh she's rad in that movie the joker well no he's a girlfriend in um in real life squad oh oh god i forget that movie i want to go back to chronic disease i want to go back to covid okay okay i just covid i could talk about all day right now because it's people need to hear other stuff too though like about doc people hitting on you and shit yeah no because you keep asking the question it's like i understand but you're thinking scientifically you're thinking rationally when this entire covid from oh my

goodness 1.5 million people are gonna die so we have to all lock down to not locking down or being um more careful with old people to or how about fuck you don't close my beach make chocolate illegal like you want to do some draconian shit how about you let me move my body around but you make it illegal to eat certain shit how about we just go around and anyone drinking a fucking coke goes to jail i'm serious because the reason behind that is there's too many politics there's too much politics and as a specific sense it's more effective to save lives i think it's more effective to save lives but the beauty of this i think is that it's kind of exposed to even a lot of doctors as to the non-science and the nonsense so that as a physician, I have to question what's being presented to me. And for so many years and so many doctors, they just get spoon-fed things like low

fat, right? The whole low fat and this whole explosion of the sugar industry was just spoon-fed to us. And now the COVID has even the people that were the biggest followers and the most trusting are now asking, what's going on with the WHO? What's going on with the CDC? Why are they recommending these things? And so that's actually something that's come out of this as to remind. A lot of physicians, when they went to remind most, a lot of physicians when they went to medical school would question things. You know, they, we were actually smart and head of the class. And then we kind of just turn into robots. And so it's so important for us to

question everything that comes our way. And with COVID it's so clear. I mean, again, we're in the exit plan right now. We're in the exit strategy. And most people are waiting around for their politicians to tell them what to open and how to open it. But there's no science in that. Right? There's no what in that? There's no science. There's no science as to why a daycare is open and golfing is open in California, as opposed to why a gym isn't open. as opposed to why a gym isn't open. And what do you make of that? So you're saying the entire exit strategy is just money-driven politics, constituency, getting votes.

That's, I mean, it's just, there's no, has nothing to do with saving lives or? I think each region or each city or whatever, wherever you are in the world. Has its own bias? Yeah, and I think that there's some places that they're actually working hard to do it. Well, I mean, in San Diego, I'm actually, I've become quite pleased with our city with their, you know,

despite the fact even about a week ago when our California announced that they were going to initially for about a hot second, they said they were going to close all the beaches again. And our city didn't, was not going to, because going to the beach is not causing disease. So I loved the closing the ocean part was absolutely showed, was a complete illustration example of the stupidity of everything. so why in the world you would close an ocean it seems like a basic right to be able to go out in the ocean and people that go in the ocean it's not a social event a and b it's you're not getting disease in the ocean so it was such a

great example of how non-science so much of this is how long does covid live in salt water it doesn't it doesn't okay i mean i mean i kind of made a joke on like make sure you don't poop while you go surfing because you don't want that poop to go into the bazillion gallons of of water come on shore and have somebody running by it's just idiotic that whole thing is idiotic so open the oceans luckily we have our um beaches are closed in santa cruz i went yesterday you can't go to the beach yeah there's a big sign that's bolted in like it's going to be there forever that says no pedestrians on the beach that's ridiculous fucking ridiculous reactive too. And so I am quite pleased with our, so I don't want to throw all everybody under the bus because I'm pleased with San Diego. I've actually been

completely impressed with the work they're doing and how they're moving towards this exit plan. But overall the exit plans make no sense. They just, I mean, just think about it, take two seconds and think about for everybody listening, what's opening and what's not and why. I mean, are we going with the hygiene theory that the things that are more clean are opening first? Are we going for a more essential, the things that are needed are going first? No, we're just kind of- What if we didn't let the things open where the obese people hung out? I know that sounds horrible, but think about it. If the number one underlying condition in the world is obesity. And when I mean number one, I mean, I'm talking like 50%. And then the rest of them are like diabetes, hypertension. I mean, how the fuck is Costco open?

just uh that place the the two costcos i've been to in my life vallejo costco and richmond costco i mean though it looks like there's a rule that you have to be 70 pounds overweight to get in there i mean it and then everything's covered in plastic so i'm guessing the um the tova just loves hanging out in there and the crevices and cracks of all the plastic well i think those people are susceptible to dying. Yeah, I think that the Costco's and the, look, I understand. I would much rather have had this quarantine with grocery stores and places open. Right. Like I would have been, I'm not saying that we should have closed any of them.

Because I'm not saying we should have closed anything. Having said that. Yeah, would you say that? Do you think the quarantine is complete nonsense? Yeah, I think that the science is not behind the quarantine yeah me too i don't think we should have closed anything i totally agree with you no i don't think maybe nursing homes maybe nursing homes well yeah there's a lot of deaths there man i'm not saying that i don't care about the deaths what i'm saying is is oh no of no, of course not. It's tragic. No, every doctor cares about every debt, but does that mean that we should have closed down

the world because of it? There, I don't see any science behind that. And so what we should have done is what you said, which is be very mindful and careful around those at risk, right? So that's where I go into stop the sugar, but also wash your hands, both. And grandma doesn't come over when all three kids have snot pouring out of their nose. A hundred percent. So if you're sick, you stay home. If you're high risk, we have to be careful around you.

So the mask thing, do you need to wear a mask when you're surfing? No. Do you need to wear a mask in your car by yourself? No, that's ridiculous. But would you consider wearing a mask when you go visit? So like my parents are old and my dad has every medical condition. And so I would, I would either not visit him.

I would 100% not visit him when I was sick. And so there are people who visited their parents who were 80-something years old, and they didn't feel well, and they didn't know that that's what it was. And so we need to stop that. If you're sick, you stay home. If you are high risk, we need to take care of you. But the rest of the world can go out when they're healthy. I think that helps. It's funny.

My whole life, I've never worried about being sick. Never once. I've never avoided anyone for a cold. I don't not kiss anyone. I shared toothbrush with my wife for the first 20 years. For some reason, she won't do that with me anymore, but, um, I've never, I'm not doing any of that. I've never, I was barefoot once for two years. Um, opposite of that. Like I don't during the wintertime, I'm like, don't hug me because I love the flu. I love the flu. But having said that, so I'm somebody who never wanted the flu because that the quarantine was unnecessary. What we did is we just put a blanket around everybody and didn't actually look at who was affecting and in what way it was affecting anyone.

Even now, in the exit plan, no one's talking about staying home if sick, right? They're just open. Right. If you're sick, stay home. Right. You know, I've never known anyone who's diagnosed with the flu. Really? I've claimed to have had the flu, and I've known hundreds of people who've said they've had the flu.

But I've never known anyone who went to the hospital, and the doctor's like, oh, yes, here's your test, and you have the flu. I mean, you do because you're a doctor, right? Yeah. But I've been asking people that question who aren't doctors, and no one knows anyone who was officially diagnosed with the flu. Well, I do. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. I take care of patients every year who have the flu. And I've been a lot more afraid

during flu season and RSV season. And I've had a lot more sleepless nights than I have with COVID. I'll tell you at the beginning of COVID, you know, cause the flu kills kids, right? Yeah. And people just, they, they don't really care. People don't care. And it's not, I'm not saying that they're evil, but how many people do you know that have gone to every holiday party and then they give you a hug and then they say, oh, I have the flu.

Like- How about the parents let their kids, the craziest part is how many kids I see running around with snot pouring out of their nose. Right. Like what are you doing? Wipe your kid, wipe your kid, wipe your kid. And then the news media is saying kids don't get COVID. My kids get everything.

Right. They touch everything. They put everything in their nose. Is it, I'll finish on something strong. Ready? Yes. Is it, is it okay thinking like, pardon me, I will, i like i want my kids to get covid i want to get covid i'm 48 and i want to hurry up and get it because i don't want to get it when i'm 70 because i'll be scared then and i want my kids to get it because i want them to start building the antibodies now i want my kids like yeah so am i thinking wrong i mean don't get me wrong i don't want to come to your hospital and like i don't want you like to give them the uh give me the uh suppository covet i don't want it that bad

but like i'm not afraid if like if my mom had it i wouldn't i wouldn't avoid my mom no um you're talking about a chicken pox party right so which i did do by the way as a kid i did do the chicken pox party as a kid okay Okay. So this is different. So it's not wrong to, to think, and I've actually been asked this by a lot of people, right? So you know, you haven't, I'm the first, what are you talking? Yes. You're, you're always the first. Um, it's okay for you to feel like, and here's the reason why it's okay for you and your kids. There's a 99.999% chance that you're going to be fine. Am I afraid that I'm going to die of the flu? I mean, excuse me, of COVID. I'm not. I'm not going to die of COVID and neither are you. Okay. And neither are your kids. So a lot of people

have been asking like, God, they're just, and it gets down to a really big problem is that our country is paralyzed by fear. We're paralyzed by fear to the point that people are like, just get it over with. Just get the thing over with. And that's why people want the antibody test because they want to know that they've already been done. Yes, yes. People don't want the antibody test

so they can go lick every wall. They want it because of the paralysis of fear. You're exactly right. People are living in so much fear. So is that okay for you to say, can I just get it and be done with it? Yeah, I get that. I do. And it's not, I don't think it's negligent for you, a completely healthy 40 something year old to say, I don't care if I get it. The problem isn't that the problem is, is that if you have, and so yeah, go for it. Right. But then you have to be

responsible. And that's why I like Charles Barkley is always smart. So if you then go and visit your 80 something, if I then go and I go to work as a physician, so I know physicians who've said, you know what, I'm going to, I'm just going to get it. And I'm, I'm willing to get it. Well, yeah, you kind of can be willing to get it, but then you have to be responsible when you get it, right? So I can't go visit my parents and it's not responsible for me to go out everywhere. So get it. But then once you get it, please be responsible and don't give it to, don't go visit a nursing home. Right, right, right. Matter of fact, that's when you quarantine yourself. Yeah, yeah. Yes, if you're sick or if you're high risk. So and by the way, the nursing homes, it's that's where we need the hygiene and the mass is the nursing home, not at the healthy.

If you go to the box healthy and you were healthy and you know you're healthy and you haven't been around anybody sick you don't need to worry about the stuff you need to worry when you're either going to costco and exposing everybody at risk or there's somebody with 102 fever next to you that's when you need to does that make sense yeah or the kid would like i read a story recently a kid in indonesia died of the covid and then i dug into the story a little more and the kid was almost dead from dengue fever and it's like yeah the worst part is about this did you like make me laugh and i have to remember that we're talking about like a kid that passed away and i'm still a doctor and so i can't laugh out loud at the ridiculousness of it right sorry i'll try to be more courteous no but it's and we're swabbing someone can you please be more yes yes it's just negligent on the on the media's part to be recording something as a covet death for a child scaring the shit out of parents all around the

world and then i dig into it and the kid was fucking malnourished and had dengue fever and it's like yeah dude, I mean. Though you had a couple in India with cancer. Something like that too, yeah. Three people. Oh yeah, terminally ill. Yes, yesterday. Five people died in some village in India or Bihar.

Is that Bihar, India? Yeah, Bihar. And they were all terminally ill. Okay, and I know you said you wanted to end, but I have to tell you something. Yeah, I have to pee so bad. I'm going to pop. But I was, you know, I've been walking and they did close our trails, right? So they closed our trails and I can't wait for them to open them. But I was walking on the street and I almost

stepped on a rattlesnake. I, on the rattle. Can you open it? That would have been a COVID death, COVID death. I on the rattle. Can you open a COVID death? COVID death. Dude. I mean, you should be celebrating me right now as a, as a either a doctor or a delivery man. I'm one of them that should be celebrated. And instead I would have died from a rattlesnake. Did it, um, did it waggle at you? My sister, she was,

my sister and I were walking and she goes stop and move. And I was actually really proud of her because instead of just screaming, My sister and I were walking and she goes, stop and move. And I was actually really proud of her because instead of just screaming, she said, stop and move. And then she literally pulled me towards her and I jumped. And I don't know why I actually listened. And then I looked down and it was the rattle. And then the snake was up and was... You should have taken a picture and text me. I totally wanted to.

And then I realized I was going to die by selfie. And instead I needed to back out. Right. Can you imagine if I was taking a video or a picture of a rattlesnake about to bite me? No, no, thank you. So you, so you nailed it. I think it's really important for, um, health to be just stop the sugar. for health to be, just stop the sugar. Tell me how great I am. You're amazing. You're true. You're always, from the start,

you've been texting me every single day, articles about chronic disease and COVID, chronic disease, sugar, all of that. And so I think that it's a really important point. I think that, God, I love that you brought it down to Charles Barkley, who I've always just thought he was awesome to say, just be responsible, be responsible. He was on CNN. They were trying to get him to play the race thing. Like, Hey, there's symptomatic racism and blah, blah, blah. And he's like, Hey man. And I'm paraphrasing. He said, now I agree with all that. Now's not the time. The time now is

just to give people basically the tools to heal themselves. And I want to tell you what I'm doing. I ride an exercise bike and I only drink on the weekends and he gave this list of shit. And I was like, yeah, you say it, Charles. Try to save people's lives. Instead of every, so it's time for everybody to get out from under the bed and know that we're now, we're now not in the doc.

The hospitals are way prepared. We're so prepared that doctors don't have enough work. Speaking of getting out underneath the bed, is it weird when you have had like a client for like five years and they always come in together and then all of a sudden they come in and they got their new mate. You know what I mean? Like you knew the husband and wife and their two kids and they always come to visit and then all of a sudden the husband comes in and he's got like this 18 year old new wife and you're like what the fuck you i was wondering

where you were gonna go with the whole bed i didn't know where you were gonna go yeah totally no no no it's good it's fine it's totally see you look right at the 18 year old new trophy wife and you're like have you had her tested for venereal diseases just blast you get it with me like that how did you know that exactly how i approach it a hundred percent thank you for your time i thank you thanks for um just exposing the truth you know we'll talk. How about I call you back like in a month and we'll talk about how the exit strategy is going. If we're not out by then, I don't even want to talk.

There's not good. There better be nothing to talk about. We got to get out. I'm thinking may is the time that people who want to go baby steps who want to go full out. It's may come out. I've been ready to come out for years. June. We better be doing it yeah like it's i don't have time for this stuff in june

dude can you imagine all like there's good shit and bad shit happening with people at home i don't want to get into it that's political because it's good. If I had one more rich person, tell me how wonderful it is in quarantine and how the life lessons, sorry, that was totally not inappropriate. That was totally inappropriate, right? Like it's life lessons of being in quarantine of realizing how you can connect with your family while you have money is totally different than what quarantine is doing to the rest of the world you're gonna make me say it the two metrics to look at are how many tens of thousands of 80 year olds are we willing to let die versus how many kids we're allowing to be molested at home yeah let's put that on the

fucking scale you want to protect all these 80 year old people who are two years away from their own death anyway from covid well how many kids have to be molested for you to be OK with that at home? I did not even realize doing horrible shit to them because they're stuck at home in quarantine with them. You know, that shit's happening. I if I could have bet on what you were going to say next. I'm saying no kids. I'd rather say that again. Sorry. Sorry. I know I wouldn't have made it if you said I'd give you a thousand bucks. If you know what I'm going to say next, that never would have crossed my mind.

I just, there's no amount. I don't like, I mean, I'm so biased. I have three kids. There's no, I don't want any bad shit happening to kids.

Yeah, absolutely. And, and, and I'm willing to, if I was 80 years old and my, and I had grandkids, I'd rather fucking die than let my grandkids be molested.

Bad stuff is happening to kids kids oh horrible they're not meant to be in quarantine no from them not going to school to them drinking too many cans of coke at home to them learning how to smoke their parents weed to them hurting themselves there's that whole spectrum i'm getting so many injuries so many injuries okay i know you have to go pee yes that's true mind your own business didn't that didn't you say that yeah i know but for me it's right here all right let's connect in a month about let's talk about something other than covid because no no we can talk about how i don't know never mind we'll talk about other things but we can talk about my ex

that looked like a pakistani cindy crawford yes and but I just hope that the people listening know that it's time it's time to think it's actually time to think it's time to be responsible but it's time to think be responsible yeah personal responsibility yes like think for yourself like don't wait for someone else to tell you how to move forward peace