The Sevan Podcast - #591 - Kealan Henry

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

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Am I here by myself? What the hell's going on where am i not that window eric weiss hi good morning for a second time if i do seem a little edgy on this show it's because i am not yet at peace. What are you not yet at peace with, Sevan? I am not yet at peace with the fact that... Hi, Jody. I'm not yet at peace with the fact that 10 minutes ago,

my son said, hey, I want to skate on the ramp, and I went to the back of the van to get a skateboard out and it's not back there hi thank you for the coffee i'm trying my wife just said have fun i'm trying i just bought obby a new skateboard the other day we went there took the time out of the day, had the whole thing assembled. The board was given to us by a guy named Ryan Sheckler. Well-accomplished skateboarder. Put the whole board together. Froze?

Who froze? No, I never froze. I never went anywhere told you i'm edgy and uh poor keelan i hope keelan has healing properties when he comes on maybe he'll heal me and uh and i just went into the back of the car to get the skateboard out and it's not there and he's like and his right away his response just like his dad he goes on the offense nothing like a good defense not what is it best defense is a great offense he right away goes i left it right outside the car when i got in the car at the skate park yesterday

and then he said i want another another one. And that was it. I snapped. I don't want another one. I want that old one back. It's fucking expensive. Super cool board. Super cool. Damn. Sheckler gave us the, I think the guy's name is Ryan Sheckler.

Maybe I can bring up his Instagram account while we wait for Keelan. Ryan. Oh, Shecks, this guy. This guy right here. God, technology is amazing. This dude. Shecks, Ryan Sheckler. I skateboard and I'm from San Clemente, California. And it was a really cool board.

I wonder if I could show it to you. What was so unique about it is it's wide, but the wheelbase is pretty narrow. So good for kids. I noticed Avi skateboarding on it right away. It was amazing. Oh, here it is right here oh my goodness that's the board he had he had that one with the tiger on it tag your favorite local shop shops can now order ah killing me dying Killing me. Dying.

Should I go put up a sign at the skate park? Eric, Susie, Daniel, geez, Louise, Jeremy, Eat World. Oh, sorry about the world. I know, it sucks. What sucks is I just spent 70 bucks getting these awesome green plated Ace 33 trucks. Took it down to the shop. Got it assembled. Got him the grip tape he wanted. New bearings, new wheels.

tape he wanted new bearings new wheels i'm i'm frustrated with him i i take it upon myself like i didn't teach him well not to lose his shit and you know what and that's where the responsibility i guess does fall on me because um i always load the car up for him great talking with my brother Machine Gun Kelly. Proud of you, dude. Show last night was amazing. Cool photo of Ryan Sheckler and Machine Gun Kelly. Damn, Machine Gun Kelly is tall. Or maybe he's got those platforms on.

That whole room looks crooked. What's going on with that room? Okay, Keelan henry enough of this feeling sorry for myself please let this be keelan's oh there it is guy took um 40th at the crossfit games i don't even know if he competed in a single event he's also a chad schroeder hillar fit and wad zombie plus four more follow this guy can i click on that and see who the other four are oh these are people we share cat sheer see all followers uh and he got 40 to the cross the Games because he had to pull out, not because he's ass.

Well, maybe he's ass too. I don't mean to rule that out. But he had to pull out. He is from the country of South Africa. He represented the continent, the entire continent of Africa, which is the butt of a lot of my jokes when it comes to competitors at the CrossFit Games. But what really caught my attention was this photo.

And yesterday, when I was going through and doing all the research on the guy, he was on what looked like a pretty big news show in South Africa. And when they asked him about CrossFit, one of the elements that he mentioned is the diet and that you're not supposed to eat sugar, added sugar, and I really like that. I really, really, really, really, really like that. I can't remember another. I can't remember. No, no, don't donate any money.

I have at least 50. Don't donate money for i'm not i'm not i have at least 50 old don't don't don't donate money for the deck that's not why i was saying that no uh i i don't i can't remember hearing any other games athletes talk about the no sugar thing uh-oh keelan has responded hey stevan can you give me five minutes sure but yeah of, of course. Of course. You the man. You the man. You top 50, top 40 fittest guys on the planet. Jesse, oh, do you do colonoscopies?

Is that where the guy sticks the fingers in your ass? I did that once. Fingers in the ass? Someone's texting me. I did that once. Fingers in the ass. Someone's texting me. I did that once and they sent me to a specialist and they did it to me again. Just fingers, me again just fingers not a camera and tubing and most people it's not appropriate to text while you're doing a podcast but when you're as funny as me you can do all that shit when your life's like just raw uh suzy tell colonoscopy is when they put the camera up your ass yeah okay. Okay. So I haven't had that. A phenomenal week, sir.

Mr. Olson. Thank you. Oh, I'm going to use that nine 99 to order new ACE 33 trucks. So I can put together another board for my son. You know what? I'm maybe, maybe, you know what I'll do. I wonder if Travis from Bellinghaus from vindicate will hate this travis from uh vindicate uh sent me a board a sebon podcast board

maybe i'll maybe i'll put that together and have my son write that i know it's supposed to be just like an art piece but fuck it driving to cali and i get two podcasts. Seven is the man, Daniel Gurity. Uh, here's the thing. I was actually supposed to do a third podcast today, three, but I did not. Thank you,

Mr. Olson. I appreciate it a lot. Um, but, uh, um, Greg and his family are flying into California tonight.

And so I'm like, hell I'm partying. So I moved tonight's podcast to Saturday it's with J.R. Howell and Taylor self and we're going to dissect the Madrid programming that Madrid show the other day bored the shit out of me I mean I'm still I still like I still give it a nine because I got to hang

with Brian I hope that I think the programming show will be more fun or critical Brandon Waddle maybe it should be Seve does it all now instead of Heidi does it all. Why? What was Heidi doing? Definitely not Heidi doing it all. Silver lining, your son knows not to do it again. God, I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I just told someone yesterday, that is the fourth board we've lost, and that's the fourth board we've lost in skateboarding. Almost basically every day for two and a half years.

I think you can say every day. All left at the skate park. All left somewhere at that transfer point. left somewhere at that transfer point all left at that transfer point i never do that i've never i never never lose my wallet or any of that shit i never lose i guess i guess i don't know if i don't lose stuff because maybe i lose stuff that i don't know i lose but i didn't even lose my virginity till i was 18 so so keelan used to be a big old rugby player look at him I lose, but I didn't even lose my virginity till I was 18. So, so Keelan used to be a big old rugby player.

Look at him. And he lost a bunch of weight. And, uh, and he talks about that as part of his journey. And I like that. 105 kgs, overweight, unfit and unemployed. Dang. Would you make a flyer and put it up at the skate park and be like, hey, I lost this board, this brand new board. My son lost this brand new board. Please return. Here's the phone number. My son lost his brand new board.

Please return. Here's the phone number. Yeah, I do. I do have the badisi on my mind. It could go away quickly. I got a brand new cup of coffee. Third cup of the day. Crazy diluted though.

Third paper street cup of coffee of the day. Basically what I do is I put a shot of espresso in this cup. And then I fill the rest up with hot water. So it's a slow drip of fuel i don't think you get closure to a lost skateboard yeah no it's a lost cause thanks thanks thanks maybe i'll just go on um so just go on amazon right now and buy a new uh set of trucks one just call it a day keelan is now 12 minutes late when do i get upset at that you lost the one wheel there too right oh thanks adam thanks yes it's four skateboards in a one wheel. And I purposely didn't say that because I was like, I had a little pride. Yep, I did. It's all I did.

Do you think last week cutting media had any overall positive impact on the space creating ops for podcasts like this no absolutely not absolutely not absolutely no positive impact what it did is is uh when we lost the media then right after that the floyd 19 thing happened and we were unarmed any criticism that anyone put upon us we were unarmed and able to unable to fight back we needed to be able to fight back we needed to be remember that shit that trump used to do like where he would say something fucked up and then a few days later he'd just say something fucked up again so you forget the last fucked up thing he said and it was just this constant barrage of shit that coming out we couldn't even do that if we would have had a media team we could have flooded the space in that narrative where people couldn't do media because crossfit hogged it all

or we had our hand up like this it's never been more up than this than it is today crossfit has never been more exclusive than it is today on all fronts color your skin media content size your cock all of it hi caller how are you so what's up dude it's jim i'm processing hi jim hey um question because i heard you said greg's coming in um today so have you talked to him in like the last, I mean obviously he's talking about has he commented on the direction events have gone and kind of completely strayed from his vision or not

and kind of where the community's at as a whole? Is that something we're going to get in the book that's going to be coming out? No, not really. Nothing that I could share. i mean stuff that like you know me and him are out riding bikes or fucking around laughing or throwing rocks or and just just you know humor humor stuff you know what i mean i mean when he sends me a picture of his new wakeboarding boat and i'm and and and i'm like so did you hear you hear that they did an extra lap at the games?

He's like, you know what I mean? He's like, dude, he wants to – you know what I mean? We're in totally different worlds. And he is so – CrossFit, basically how he's evolved is you have to think of a scientist in a lab, and CrossFit was was one of his experiments and it's done. And now he's like on to another experiment. And his experiment is looking at broken science science wrong. And when you try to prove science right, it's no longer science. That's not what – it's like putting the dick in the ass and calling it procreation. That is not procreation. That's sodomy. God, that was good.

God, that – but you see how there's a confusion because the whole – I mean, it happens. Jim, I got to let you go. Love you. Bye. Cool, man. Hey, buddy. Hey.

How's it going? I'm pretty wound up. You feeling good? Sorry I'm late. No, it's good. I had a, on a scale, I live a perfect life. And I had, on a scale of one to 10, I had something bad happen to me that's like a, not even a one. But when you live a perfect life, you know what I mean?

It was like, you know, like a shoelace breaking. I don't really know what you mean because I don't know what a perfect life is. Oh, oh. A perfect life, like you wake up and you're like, yeah. And then a bad thing is like when you put your shoes on your shoelace breaks and you're like oh but in the big picture but in the big picture you're just in a few minutes away from talking to keelan henry so who gives a shit of your shoelace bro how you guys doing awesome are you outside i just got home just got into my apartment oh that and are you outside though

no i'm inside is there too much sound no no no no no no it's perfect but it looks like you're outside and that we're like looking in a window inside that's the kitchen dude it's the kitchen oh wow that's nice that's stylish it's a's an apartment, and I live in France. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, I live in France. What are you doing there? Are you dating the same girl that Lazar Djukic is dating? You guys are dating the same girl? I don't think so. Not that I know of.

I mean, hey. I thought South Africa was where your domicile was, where you put your head down at night. No, my nationality is South African. I was born in South Africa. I am South African. I still consider myself a South African. But I live and work and my life goes on in France. And in what city in France?

Bordeaux. Oh, shit. Do you know Daniel? Daniel Chaffee? Yeah. I don't know him personally. I know who he is, but I don't know him personally, no.

Because he has a gym there also, right? Yeah. It's called Bordeaux. It's called CrossFit Louvre. Even the one in Bordeaux is called that? Yeah. There's three. There's three louvres. There's the Louvre 1, 2, and 3.

You can go train there anytime you want, by the way. If you want to go in there and just say, Sevan said I could train here. I've never been there. Now I've got a reason to go. How close is it to your house? It's about like 20, 30 minutes away. Oh, okay.

I always thought of Bordeaux as being small. It's not small? It is fairly small. It is fairly small. But I mean, to get around, it's not the easiest. Your nationality, South African, what's your ethnicity? In South Africa, it's called colored. But in America, it would be called mixed race.

And what are those mixes? A lot of mixes. A lot of mixes. A lot of mixes. A lot of mixes, man. A lot of mixes. You don't even know? I know some. I know some.

I don't know some. I know some. On my mother's side, she's from Swaziland. So that's a country within South Africa. And so she's a Swazi in Swaziland so that's a country within South Africa and so she's a Swazi in Swaziland descendants of John Donne who was like a white Zulu king he had like 40 Zulu wives and so it's like a big family then my dad's side uh then on my dad's side um he's from Cozumel Natal so Durban and that's um it's there's quite a lot of uh it's very um Indian based so the I think my grandfather

he's from Mauritius like the island you look Indian you look Indian I like Indian yeah you look kind of but you could also be a really dark Mexican you look Indian or You look Indian. I look Indian. Yeah, you look Indian. Kind of. But you could also be a really dark Mexican. You look Indian or you could be really like... I get either Indian, either Mexican or Brazilian. Oh, yeah. It depends on the day. It depends on how much time I've had.

And how did you end up in France? Through my old career. So I used to be a rugby player. That was how I made my living. And obviously, I was a rugby player. Got recruited to play for

a team in France and then just ended up staying. Met a girl. Stopped rugby. And now CrossFit. Are those two connected? You met the girl and then you stopped rugby, and now CrossFit. Are those two connected? You met the girl and then you stopped rugby. That's not connected.

That's just the order of events. She wasn't like, hey, you got to stop playing rugby. No, that's not connected. So you're born in South Africa? Yeah, I was born in South Africa. And what was the first sport you played? The first sport I played was soccer. Yeah so South Africa is quite a it's a huge fitness culture it's like it's very supportive sports and culture and I played soccer growing up and then a rugby soccer and rugby was basically the base of the

the first two sports I played and then cricket and basically so the school that I grew up was an all-boys school and you basically had to choose a sport either summer sports or winter sports and I would do cricket in the summer when I was young and soccer in the winter. And then as I grew older, like I got to like 13, 14, that's when we started with like you're allowed to play rugby with boots. So when you're under 13, you have to play rugby barefoot, which is really fun. But it's not as hectic.

And then I've got my older brother. I watched him play rugby, and I was like, this is some hardcore shit, so I've got to get into that. And then I changed. I went to water polo and swimming and rugby. Dude, that's an – first of all, I've never heard of a sport anywhere where in the beginning you had to play barefoot, except for like, you know, I mean, like beach volleyball or something, something where it's like. So that's fascinating to me.

And that's awesome. Like, that's the way it should be. They should make all youth sports play barefoot. What's interesting is my kid's tennis coach doesn't want him playing barefoot because I guess in tennis, one of the ways you slow down is when you're moving laterally to get the ball you drag your foot your other foot to slow you down and he says you won't develop that skill if you don't wear shoes but because you won't want to drag your foot you know what i mean right they're just kids they'll drag it right quit being a pussy and drag it yeah i guess i know what you mean but yeah don't be a be a pussy, man. Just drag it.

Just drag it, yeah. Did you like that as a kid? Was that hard transitioning to shoes? Do you remember that? I don't remember, but I mean, if it was hard transitioning, but I used to do everything barefoot. So I would always be playing. You either play barefoot or you play, you know, you just get used to it.

And then, obviously, going into high school, you have to wear boots for protection because, obviously, other guys are wearing boots. And if you're going to get a stud in your face, which has happened before, it's not fun. But transitioning from barefoot to shoes, I think, honestly, in my opinion, like later in my years now, it's definitely made a difference. And I wish I'd been barefoot for longer. Didn't you guys – didn't Africa have the 10,000-meter runner who ran barefoot in the Olympics, Zola Budd? Yeah.

Do you remember her? She might be – you might be too young. Yeah, I, Zola Budd? Yeah. Do you remember her? You might be too young. Yeah, I know Zola Budd, yeah. Yeah, and she got knocked down in the 10,000-meter. I think someone stepped on her, and she got up and still finished. But she ran the 10,000-meter at the Olympics barefoot. Yeah, so when I grew up, even in the athletics and stuff, so I did a bit of cross-country.

I did a bit of athletics, javelin bit of like Athletics Javelin The 400 meter And stuff like that Because That's like normal In South Africa It's like those kind of activities Like you kind of had to do it And that was all done barefoot

Like that was all barefoot You threw the javelin barefoot Yeah Stud Yeah dude Hey If I'm in South Africa And I'm just walking around barefoot, is it just anywhere?

Is that a scene? Like people will look at me like, or no? It depends where you are. But it depends where you are. It depends where you are. But in certain places, they'll just be like, well, this is like another normal guy. Yeah. So like where I grew up in Johannesburg, which is this like the center.

So that's like very, you know, like who's who's who and people like they're trying to want to do better than others so if you'd walk barefoot there you'd be quite they'd judge you quite a bit and then I moved to Durban for rugby so that's like by the coast so that's like beach town and people are very more relaxed and they like I'd go into shopping centers barefoot and do everything barefoot like I was like 22 years old 21 years old going to like a shopping center barefoot and nobody nobody would be bothered man yeah that's a good ass life yeah and when you say that you you think that that's affected you um at this at this latter age meaning made you more in touch with your made you a better athlete made you a better athlete, made you a better athlete. You think,

I don't know. I don't know. I can't say if it has or hasn't, but I mean, now I like, I just always wish she was. And that's the, like I always wish she was.

And I've had, and I've had quite a bit of like feet issue problems or like ankles. And so I did a few ligaments in my ankle playing rugby. And then over the years, it's like just attendance like overused and tendonitis and all that stuff and um my feet have taken quite a bit of strain but i mean the only thing that's changed that i was just wearing more shoes and i coach all day wearing shoes you wear shoes all day you train wearing shoes

like limit you go in your bed wearing shoes then it's like too much shoes man uh i don't i don't know if this is true or but many years ago um joe westerlin who works for crossfit he's on the level one staff and he was a strength and conditioning coach at the university of maybe omaha i can't Big school, prestigious position he had and a big, big, big, big athletic school. And he basically, his theory was, is that because people put shoes on, they lost, they lost a foot mobility, ankle flexion. And then when you lose ankle flexion, your knees start compensating for it. And then your hips start compensating for it and then your hips start compensating for it and everything all the other um you know the back as it moves further away has to compensate for

your lack of ankle flexion and that that's basically the source of all the knee replacements back people's back pains all that shit and i was like wow it's so simple savannah like just the next time you're out in public and like someone's wearing short socks or someone's wearing sandals or high heels or something, just look at their Achilles tendon. Just look at their Achilles tendon. You'll see their Achilles tendon will have a slight bend in it.

It's just misformed because it's so used to you having an internal rotation. But you have to be standing upright. I'm barefoot so much. I'm barefoot like 99% of the time. Fuck shoes. But I will look at that.

So you're saying when you stand up, you'll see it curve in like this? Yeah, you can just look at it like that. Yeah, the kid is standing straight. So it'll either be nice and thick or it'll be a bit like… So my kids almost never wear shoes and they do so much jumping is one of the cornerstones of our my kids their Achilles tendon is

the thickest cable by the time they were five I would see that thing I'm like that thing is like the thickest cable ever it's so thick not used to saying things like that say that again not used to saying things so thick. Say that again. Not used to saying things so thick. No.

Every once in a while, every three or four times a day, I see something that I'm impressed at how thick it is. So water polo, soccer, helped build an enormous metabolic capacity as a kid. Yeah, definitely, man.

Definitely, man. Sports like rugby, soccer, athletics, water polo. Water polo was probably one of the hardest sports. For me, that was one of the hardest sports I've ever played. Water polo, it's tough it's tough and but great uh great conditioning you know if you ever traded water for like longer than 20 minutes your body your body feels it while other dudes are trying to push you down scratch you kick you um do bad shit to you yeah um so when you said that um as a boy in school you had to pick uh a sport we i'd never even heard of anything like that like you didn't have to do that in the united states was that really

was that just um poetic license on your part or you really did have to pick a sport at this school? Like, all the boys had to play. As far as I know, you had to pick. Like, as far as I know, you had to choose a sport. Like, there were so many teams. So it would be the A team, the B team, the C team, just to, like, the F team. So, like, even the guys in the F team,

they would still go out and play. Like, they would have to go and play. Like, even if you were shit at sports and you would still have to go out and play like you had to do it and um I think there must have been like yeah like six teams six seven teams and you had to choose a summer sport and a winter sport which I thought that was like really cool and then but I think it's changed quite a bit now you know times have changed so a softer a softer more gentler pussified africa pretty much yeah pretty much we have nothing like that going on here in the united states we're only getting stronger yeah so basically when i was when i was like 16

years old 15 16 years old i moved i immigrated to England, to the UK with my family. And that's where I was like, yeah, okay, you didn't have to choose a sport. You could wear whatever you wanted to school. You could do whatever you want, really. I mean, you could smoke outside the school gates and then go into school and have like no repercussion. You could do pretty much whatever you wanted that's when i was like hey things are different here and then yeah then i

spent a few years in the uk went back to south africa then went back to the uk and yeah now i'm in france so how old are you now did you say uh 29 um why did your family at 15 and 16 you were like probably in in the united states you were like a sophomore in high school your second year of high school you put you had a couple more years of school left yeah yeah why why did your parents go to the uk for work and was that hard switching schools uh yeah it was it was very hard like there was even a moment where i think i spent like six months just by myself or just with my dad in South Africa. The change was so hard. So we go back and forth, back and forth.

And then eventually we just moved over just to start a new life. Africa is not easy. Africa is not easy. As much as it's a beautiful country and work and life, it's not easy. So we decided to move to the uk gave it a go uh eventually uh it didn't work out we decided to come back to this to south africa and um things have worked out anyway so so so basically when you're living in south africa your family's like hey there might be better opportunity in the UK.

Yeah. And that opportunity looks like just I'm just throwing this out there. More money, less violence? Pretty much. Yeah. I mean, that's I mean, I guess kind of that's what we're all looking for. Right. More money, less violence.

That's the ideal kind of life. Shitload of money. No one's beating you up exactly nobody's trying to steal your money yeah uh your your girlfriend in um france is she french yes she's french and uh born and raised born and raised and what how many languages do you speak i just be well fluently i speak two languages i speak english and french not not not africans i can speak it i mean i'm not fluent i can i can understand it uh 100 i can i can speak it if i need to get by uh And then like same with like, but Azulu, I can understand a little bit. I can't really speak Azulu that much, but I mean, also in South Africa, you have to choose a language as well, English or Afrikaans or Azulu.

So yeah, I can understand. I took Afrikaans, I can understand Afrikaans. I thought everyone there spoke Afrikaans, no? No. Most people do, but no, not really. The language is English. Most people speak English. And then how did you learn French?

I just picked it up. I just wanted to pick up girls, so I had to learn French. So how old were you when you learned French? 26. Wow. Was that hard yeah very hard very hard so i moved over for rugby and then like um so the club signed like three players three south africans so we've moved over together they like put us in a house and for the first like year or two we basically just like stuck together just didn't speak french you know just kind of just enjoying like our own thing and then eventually you kind of like get

yourself try and throw yourself into an uncomfortable position and then try and learn how to speak the language so i was like screwed i had to learn somehow and then i i can't let and i suppose if you look at it through CrossFit I kind of learned pretty well because one of the the trainers in my team he opened up a CrossFit gym and like everything

was in English back then so there was no like French CrossFit level one or any like anything any CrossFit educational stuff in French

so he asked me to give like he asked me just to give him a hand and I just said yeah with pleasure and then I just kind kind of started like coaching with him like part time and helping him and then kind of got into it. And yeah, that's when my CrossFit started. Is that where you met your girlfriend in the gym?

No, no. Does she CrossFit? No. No. Wow. Is that a good thing? Yes, I know. Yes, I know. I mean, I don't want to force her to CrossFit. She does whatever she wants to do.

And I'm happy with that. I like that we are kind of opposite in that way. If I come home and I'm like, I couldn't get a muscle-up, she'd be like, what the fuck's a muscle-up? Who cares? Which is kind of good. It's kind of good to have that balance. So no, it's not a problem for me at all.

When you learn a new language, does your perception of the world change? Definitely. How is that? Like, can you give me an example of how your perception of the world changes? It's insane. But like, you see the world in two different places, you know. American English based world where like there's this I suppose the language goes with the culture

the language goes with the culture so the more I learn French the more I go deeper into the French culture so you see things differently and the French are like they don't like to be influenced by the outside like Americans and stuff like that you see things differently. And the French are like, they don't like to be influenced by the outside, like Americans and stuff like that.

So you definitely see the world differently. And I suppose coming from Africa, going to the UK and then France, you definitely see the world differently. So that because mentality and culture, people are so ready, like, for anything, you know. It's like the Wild West in South Africa. But in a good sense, like, it's such a beautiful country. Like, the people are amazing.

The country is amazing. Like, you know. But at any second, somebody can just pull you out of your car and take your car. Any second, yeah. So you could be driving and during the sunset and then next minute someone's taking your car and you're like well shit what can i do uh in france life is good people like have it so good yeah but they will complain you know people have complained for the smallest things and that's like their

shoelace breaking that back at the beginning it's the way it is here in the states too everyone has it so good yeah exactly they're so upset that they they called me seven instead of savan or whatever the fuck my name is and someone's getting upset it's like oh yeah exactly so you see things like through perspective and you learn, you learn like things differently. And the good thing about learning another language is that obviously you put yourself in a different perspective and you learn to see the world differently. You know, myself, I've learned to just take a step back, you know, don't have to open your mouth all the time.

You don't have to say whatever you like thinking. That's probably, I guess, one of the biggest problems we have in the world today is that everybody has an opinion and everybody has to have that opinion heard sometimes you can just have an opinion and not say it you know and just keep it for yourself and believe what you want to believe you know do what you want to do that's fine but you don't have to shout it out and make your points to everyone you know so in france people are very very uh vocal about that you know making things heard and getting things done. And you've got to get those shoelaces done.

You've got to be so upset that your shoelace is broke. And do you think you learned that, creating that space between expressing your opinion because you had to learn a new language and you just weren't as quick to just spit out your opinion? Yes, definitely. Yeah, that's cool. Definitely, because you take time. You take time to think about what you actually want to say and if you and if you take too long well then your moments passed and then right you know you don't say it so you take time you think about what you really want to say uh you think about like if i'm saying this in this in this way am i saying this phrase in this certain manner,

is it really important? Are these people really going to listen to me? Are they really not going to listen to me? A lot of the time, you say things and people just won't listen. That's true. And then sometimes people, you'll say something correctly and they'll be like,

well, this guy's actually just talking shit. So you definitely take time to think about it just i mean i'd uh-oh uh-oh wait i think you covered your uh your microphone oh it's okay yep i said i would recommend anybody take a year off and go to like a country where it's not your they don't speak your main like your home language your native tongue just spend like a year just trying to learn and trying to speak another language like because you learn from like the baby level you know so you learn to be like a baby so then you think about things a lot more like in detail and what you want to say

and how you want to say it and that make that goes a long way this uh guy um i know one time said that people should only express um every fifth fifth thought but the problem is is people react so quickly they they can't even they can't do that right they have a thought and just they they say it as when they say it that's the first time they they heard the thought that so then they actually start to believe they are the thought yeah 100 that's interesting the fifth so he said he should only express the fifth saying every fifth thought you have that's the one you should express don't express more than that because and what that does is that starts that's a it's a meditation practice right you have to be aware enough so yeah 100 that's actually true you got to be aware like what you're

saying and it's like am i really contributing with saying the first thing that comes out of my mouth is this are the people really listening to what i'm going to say and you know is it really important the perfect example that i see just i don't know once a month in my in my um in my life or once every two months is you're driving and someone flips you off and your automatic response is to flip them off but if you don't you're every single time my thing is to put my hand out the window sorry dude or we're good we're good you know what i mean yeah like definitely yeah i know it goes away but the first thought is like just match birds right you know it's like fuck you no fuck you if you let that one go you'd be like cool sorry my bad my bad sorry

i was texting your mom yeah Yeah, definitely, man. If everybody could just take a minute to think about what they say, the world would probably be better. When you're doing rugby, how do your parents react? Does everyone do rugby? Does anyone actually make a living playing rugby their whole life, or is there so few at the top? a living playing rugby their whole life or is it just is there so few at the top is it because it seems like by the time you as a young man if you go to france to play rugby at this point you put in such a level of commitment that you're like okay i'm hoping i can make a living doing this

yeah definitely man so it's complicated you know rugby is such a it is such an amazing sport. I love the sport. I have a complicated relationship with rugby at the moment. But having said that, it's true. It's hard to break through. In South Africa, there's such a huge group of talent,

of athletes. And it's the same thing across. It's the same thing across. There's a big group of talent of like athletes and it's the same thing across with it it's the same thing across with like there's a big group of like talented athletes but to break through is so difficult right and the only opportunities are elsewhere so overseas say that again the early opportunities why the only opportunities are elsewhere so i went to the uk i went to france you know to find other opportunities and even then then, to break through, it was still hard. So you can definitely make a living, but you can definitely make a living. I mean, I can go back now and sign to a team here in France and, like, just make – I'd probably make more money than what I'm making now as a coach, but I mean,

the passion, the risk versus reward is not there. The risk versus reward is not there for myself. Meaning you get hurt and the next year you're unemployed. Yeah, basically. And basically, it's not even that. I mean, you can get hurt and then

within three months, they'll be like, listen, you can't play anymore. You're not providing anything for the team. We're cutting you from the group and we found somebody else. So next one in, first one out. And then you're looking for another club. That happened to me my whole career. I never played like I wanted to play pro rugby national team.

That would make a huge living. That was the dream. That was the dream. That was the dream. But, you know, unfortunately, that's not reality. I did everything that I could to get there. You know, I put in the hours, put in the work. Did what I could and still never made it. I managed to be a professional rugby and make a living for for like i think

three years i made a living out of the 10 years that i sacrificed and you know still got nothing but not much to show for it after that just that i'm pretty good at fitness yeah and in this picture here is this the um is this the rug is this what you look like when you're playing rugby? Is that the rugby version of you? Yeah, it's not far off. It's not far off. How much do you weigh there?

105 kilos. That's like 225 pounds, just a bit more. And how tall are you? Do you know in inches or in feet? Like in inches, I'm like a meter 68. Okay. I don't know what's that in inches. Someone will put it in the comments.

I'm not for all from Fraser or Colton Burton. Oh, so you're like 5'5"? Yeah. Well, you're proportioned good. Thank you. When I look at you, you don't look like you're 5'5". Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment and and when you lost this 40 pounds did you do it on purpose or this just uh incidental a byproduct of doing crossfit a byproduct of the crossfit

honestly it was accidental you know i mean so obviously in rugby you got to be big you have to be strong and you got to be fast and most coaches want bigger guys so i was doing everything in my power to be as big as possible like that's why i was big you know i was eating so much i was training like just weight lifting uh like powerlifting basically and just trying to get as big as possible and as heavy as possible. Because weight means weight. Got too big. And then, you know, got too big. Got cut from the team. Found another team.

Eventually, the guy opened the CrossFit gym. He was like, just come try CrossFit. Come try CrossFit. I was like, no, that's for pussies, man. I that shit i don't do i don't do well said well said and um and then uh i was just like okay i'll do it i'll try it i tried it once i was like geez again this is hectic um i was really insane uh so this giant this guy – sorry, I have to show this picture one more time. This giant guy did CrossFit right here? Yeah.

This guy tried it on the right? Yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay. I got my ass whipped by like just everybody. What? Do you remember the first workout? Yeah, I do.

What was it? It was Diane, 21-59, hands on push-ups, deadlifts. Wow. Okay. So when you looked at it, you're like, I can do this. Yeah, man. I was like, 21 deadlifts, 100 kilos, 25 pounds. That's so easy.

I did the deadlifts like so easy. And I did the first 21 hands and pushups strict, like unbroken. And then I think my heart rate went to like 250. You just stopped. I just couldn't move. I just stopped. I did the deadlifts. I don't know if that's ever happened to you. The first

time you've ever done a high-intensity workout after a long while, your body just like, it's like a cramp, but just your whole body. No, I've not had that. But I appreciate you, Keelan, trying to talk, a CrossFit Games athlete trying to talk war stories with me. I appreciate the respect.

No, I have not had that happen to me. I walked. I almost walked once when I did Murph. I didn't quite walk. I almost walked. I just jogged so slow. It looked like walking. But no, I never had my whole – never worked out so hard that my whole body stopped.

My goodness. And so then what happens from there? How does the – so you're a rugby player. You dabble in CrossFit. So at some point there had to be this leap, right? Now, are both your feet in the CrossFit bucket? No. You still have rugby aspirations?

Oh, no, no, no. The dream's still alive? No, no, no. Now it's full CrossFit. Yeah, it's full CrossFit. So tell me about stepping over. When did you let go of rugby and kind of step into the CrossFit as an athlete? over when did you let go of rugby and kind of step into the crossfit as an athlete that's a tough question but i mean so it was slow kind of gradual like you didn't even see it

happening no no i saw it happening but i just continued rugby so i lost like a lot of weights uh with like really fast like within like six months of doing crossfit so i was like a full in bought into it um you know i have i have my strength conditioning like deployment everything so i've done that since young and i've always been into like fitness and everything so i went full into crossfit it's just level one you know it's free and then anybody can read it yeah so i went on it read it did it and i was like okay this is interesting i did the zone diet you know you do like the blocks and everything i was like yeah that's interesting uh i i didn't i didn't i think it's pretty good

i mean i think it's pretty decent but i just adapted it to what i could be more functional with and then uh geez the weight went off so fast i got really fit and um then i started i was doing like crossfit like two times a week and i was coaching two times a week what what year is this uh 2017 so uh that's five years ago and you you would yeah that was like basically at the beginning it was like the beginning when i just did and then so there's like three four months of like just doing crossfit and i was just like you know you go you dive into the rabbit hole like all in i in, I was, like, CrossFit, CrossFit, you see, like, Chris Froning and Dan Bailey, I was, like, dude, these guys are jacked, I want to look like that, and I found,

like, Ben Bergeron on the internet, so Comchain was free, like, free programming, I was, like, what the hell is this, three-headed beast and all that stuff, I was, like, wow, this is insane, how is this three headed beast and all that stuff was like, wow, this is insane. Went full into it, you know, I did the open by accident. So basically it was like, I think that was the year when Reebok was like, if you buy a pair of nanos, you get a registration for the open.

And I was like, it was like six months had gone by and I was doing like, I was doing weightlifting and Metcons and like these Adidas runners. So I was like, hey, let me finally invest in a pair of crossfit shoes. And happened to get a registration for the Open. Did it. Did pretty well. Well, like pretty well for my box and the box. right and then i was like yeah this is pretty fun watch the guys like the best guys do it froning and the guys like that it's like this is really interesting still did rugby and then eventually 2019 came 2018 2019 i was like let me maybe try a competition. I don't know if I was going to do it.

I was still playing rugby. I'd play rugby like every weekend. I was contracted as a full-time player. And, did they say anything about your weight loss? No, no, no,

no, no, no. Cause I mean, my performance was still good. Like my performance was actually never better. Like I was still performing. I was performing better than I'd ever been because that was my

original style of play I was more mobile and more dynamic and because dear Greg Glassman your program made me a better rugby player thank you much love Keelan Henry yeah basically it's the truth man I mean here and I'm Greg I'll respond to you yeah no shit Keelan Henry. Yeah, dude, it's the truth, man. I mean. And I'm Greg. I'll respond to you. Yeah, no shit, Keelan. I have 10 million of these letters. Thanks. Go fuck yourself. No, I'm joking.

I just love it. I just, it never gets old, right? It just never gets old. Here you are. I'm looking at the picture again. Here you are, this prototypical rugby player. You start CrossFit. You don't get what you want, but you become a better rugby player you start crossfit you don't get what you want but you become a better rugby player

yeah and what you wanted was to be bigger and faster and instead you became smaller and more fit yeah definitely hey um you said you picked up the l1 manual and just read it it was free yeah um you said your mom was indian no i i don't know if I've ever had Indian relatives. Oh, I just said you look Indian. Yeah. What do you think it is that culturally your parents gave to you? You ruined my stereotype. I was going to say something really racist about Indians.

Just like, fuck, of course you just picked up the L1 manual. What do you think it is about your culture and your upbringing that makes it that you would just go get the book and read it and learn it what do you think your parents instilled in you to be honest i wouldn't i wouldn't say that because i mean i'm probably the worst type of stairs i've ended because i didn't finish high school and like i was the worst in school i wouldn't read anything but that i was just it just appealed to me because i was interested in it because I wanted to be fitter. I wanted to be better. I wanted to be a professional rugby player and I wanted to be the best rugby player. So I would read all these articles.

Back in the day, there was bodybuilding.com. They would have loads of articles of just training. Then I'd find that. Then I'd go to T-Nation. Then you'd go to different – just all these on on the internet where you can just read about training and like like being at like athletic performance you know so obviously that interests me and then i saw uh the games at first when i saw it i was like this is a load of bullshit you know this is there'll never be a sport uh the first time i saw it was on espn. They were throwing the medicine ball on a GHD, and I was like, yeah, I'll never do that.

I was like, I'll never do that shit. I was like, wow, no way. I remember that. I remember that. I was like, what is this? It's not a real sport. And then I saw them doing the butterfly pull-ups. I was like, no way.

What is this? This is ridiculous. But I watched a video of Dan Daly on YouTube. I can't remember the name of the video, but he was doing like three workouts or he was doing like one workout with dumbbells. And he was so jacked. And I was like, I want to look like that. What can I do to look like that?

If he's doing that, I should be able to do it. Like if I did that, I'll look like that. You know, he was basically like the same, like the same profile as me. You know, he's like kind of stucky you know he's a big and i think he probably i think he ran the 400 also didn't you say he ran the 400 he probably he ran like the 200 or the 400 also yeah yeah yeah i think he did so yeah so i was like he's got a good profile like let me see like i mean if i could look like that and you know back in the day i would as being as like a young athlete like if you look good you'll be good but i mean that's not true but i mean if you look good you'll be good that's what i thought okay right right if

you look good you'll be good so i was like what can i do today so let me see what this is about and at that time i was helping um the guy open the crossword gym and i was like let's see what this crossword level one is and i just read it and i was like oh this is interesting and then the more level one is. And I just read it and I was like, oh, this is interesting. And then the more I read it, it was like more interesting. It's like, yeah, this is interesting. It's very interesting. I mean, it's nothing new. It's something that I've never learned before.

But I mean, it's just a different way of saying it. It's interesting. Yeah. So that's, I mean, I thought, why not? It's free. Anything free is good, man. The takeaway there for me is that, and I don't know why more people don't know this. All you have to do is find what someone's interested in, and they'll consume it.

And you don't have to put someone in a math class. If they're interested in fitness, they'll figure out math. Give them all the stuff they need. They'll figure it out. When you want to talk to them about power under the curve or you want want to talk to them about power and output they'll start learning physics when you when they when they start looking into supplements they'll start learning chemistry you can take any subject 100 when they start looking about the origins of of man they'll start learning history they'll be like well how did the earliest uh who were the strongest men throughout time and they'll learn history 100 100 yeah you know you'll find out that the strongest men ever were the strongest men throughout time? And they'll learn history. 100%, man. 100% agree with you.

You'll find out that the strongest men ever were the guys who built the fucking pyramids. You know what I mean? And why were they strong? And this is the workout. What did the strongest men ever eat? I mean, it's just crazy. Here you are, a guy who doesn't graduate from high school, but yet you picked up the l1 and yet the smartest doctors in the fucking world cardiologists in the world are killing people while the book that you read the l1 is saving people's lives

who have the same fucking problem go to a cardiologist he'll fucking kill you go to keelan henry he'll fucking save your life he didn't graduate from high school i rest my case it's fucking nuts yeah it's crazy it crazy. It's nuts. It's crazy. It's crazy. And what did you see in yourself? What makes you think that you could compete at the games with these monsters? Do you think you have confidence or do you have massive insecurity? Like it has to be one or the other, right?

Or like who are you trying to prove something to or do you just have so much belief in yourself? Why would you have massive insecurity like it has to be one or the other right or or like who are you trying to prove something to or do you just have so much why would you have massive insecurity i i don't know um your dad never liked you and so you um have a you you have something an axe to grind you know what i mean i mean i mean you look at greg glassman who developed this right he was born with polio a tough upbringing and he had he has, a tough upbringing, and he had, he has a chip on his shoulder and he had something to prove to the fucking world. No one wanted to touch him. They thought that it was the AIDS of the day. They thought if you touch this kid, you're going to fucking die, get polio and die. People picked on him the whole time. So he's like, okay,

you know what I mean? He became, he became the fucking most vocal smartest, toughest guy in the room. Hey assholes, who's looking at me you know what i mean yeah uh so like how do you i i would look i could i could look at the picture of dan or rich and i could empathize with you to be like hey i want to look like that but to think that i could step on the floor and do what they do i don't know i i don't have that in me you know you have to believe in yourself i mean i would never i would never have started like that I could step on the floor and do what they do, I don't know. I don't have that in me. You know, you have to believe in yourself.

I mean, I would never have started rugby if I didn't believe in myself. My dad was always believing in me. My parents have always supported me in everything. My parents grew up in apartheid, so you know it's apartheid, right? Yeah, that's where – no, tell me what apartheid is. I know what it is. I was an 80s baby, but tell me. So no tell me what apartheid is i i know what it is i was i was an 80s baby but tell me tell me what you should know what a positive is so basically i was in south africa when um people of like people of color or non-white people were basically uh just had no rights and uh are you a person of color yes i'm not a person of color i can't tell

yeah yeah basically so there was basically uh people of color well mostly um black africans and then they would also be like against indians and colored people like mixed race people even like the chinese people so there was basically just people of color, right? They had different rights. Anyone non-white. Anyone non-white. Anyone non-white, yeah. Okay. So my dad and my parents and my mother as well,

they basically grew up not being able. So my dad, he was not allowed to do sports. They weren't allowed to go to the field and play soccer. They weren't allowed to do this. They had to do certain things, whatever they were told. So my dad has always been like, he wants me to do as many things as i could that's why i was doing as many sports as i probably could like you know and he would like if i didn't want to do sports you would be like okay cool you don't have to do sports i want to do sports i can do

sports you know so he gave me all the opportunities which i appreciate you, I'm thankful for that. What year did apartheid go away? The year I was born, 1993. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And that was pretty chaotic. That was a chaotic time for South Africa, right? Yeah, it was.

It was pretty intense, yeah. Yeah, it was. It was pretty intense, yeah. And then it wasn't until – what did you say? You were 15 years old, so that was – so 2008. Oh, so during the economic collapse, at least here in the United States, that's when you moved to the UK. Yeah. And did your whole family move? Yeah, my whole family so then you you you're working in the crossfit gym i'm jumping back ahead again um you're working in the crossfit gym and when do you and you enter the open and

you do pretty good when when does it like okay i'm gonna make i'm gonna make a run for this i'm gonna put my head down and really become the fittest version of uh keelan henry possible so there was like there was a few there was a few years i was like i should probably do this full time or i should probably just go full out like full out and compete but i wasn't ready i wasn't ready to give up on the rugby gym you know i wasn't ready to give up i sacrificed so much to be there and i wasn't quite ready so that was like i did the i did the opening for like two three years while i was a regular and i knew i could compete i knew i could do pretty well but i mean i just wasn't ready to give up and 2019 yeah the end of 2019 the season 2019 2020 season i got a huge injury so i fractured my skull

um opened up my retina and was basically blind in one eye and then had to operate on my eye and they just like to like take out all the fluid and all the blood in my eye replace with artificial fluid and everything and I had like a so it's called like a cataract a boxers cataract so when you get too many hits in the in the head you get a cataract in the eye and so I had that operation done and um like a month two months later um i did the two the 2020 open and that was when they qualified the national champions i think it was or 2019 2020 i don't know uh 19 i think 19 2019 yeah 2019 and i was like after like three workouts i was sitting first and i was like what i haven't trained at all was sitting first. And I was like, what? I haven't trained at all.

Like I had just inaugurated like two months ago. And I was like sitting first. And I was like, what if I qualified for the Games? You know, this would be insane. And then Jason beat me. I mean, Jason is just an animal. And Jason beat me and I finished second, I think, in the Open. And I was like, okay, maybe this is like pretty good.

Maybe I'll get around to it. Then the next year COVID came and I was like, oh, well, screw that. You know, it's too late to compete. Do I really want to compete, you know? Where are you living at this time? I'm still in France. I'm still living in France. Okay, okay.

And I've lived in France for like six years. I haven't moved here. I was like, yeah, is it worth it worth it you know like what's the reward you know what's the reward from competing and stuff like that and then the covid came so i couldn't compete i did enter like a few competitions uh qualified for the lowlands but throw it on and then i got cancelled uh and then i did dubai i qualified uh no i nearly qualified for dubai but i won like a the raffle where they paid for my flights to go watch the dubai competition which was amazing like that was like that that's when i was like open my eyes and that's when i saw like athletes like for the first time so i'd never seen athletes outside of my box and i was like well okay shit

these dudes are insane. So you went? Yeah, I went, dude. Yeah, what year was that? 2020. 2019 or 2020? But during the so-called pandemic, you went? Just before the pandemic. Okay.

Just before the pandemic. Okay, and so you saw all the other guys and you're like oh shit this is a like this is pretty cool sports i mean this i can get into it i can definitely get into it you know i think i can i can compete with these guys um i was like hey let's see what happens then i moved and i started coaching full-time uh last last year I I mean I was I gave it like full in I was like all into it but mindset wasn't there you know just like you said I wasn't all in mindset physically I think I was there I could have won physically I could have won but mentally I definitely I didn't win I finished fifth last year in the semifinals and then this

year I was like I really want to go. I really want to win. I know I'm capable. I know I'm capable. And I know I'm capable of going to the games and competing with the best of the games. I know I'm capable. And so this year I went all in and qualified for the games. Unfortunately, injury came and finished last.

What was the injury? like you predicted what was the injury? a few injuries a few injuries basically I tore my hamstring where and when? 10 days before the games before I was about to fly out

to America it was my last session my last repetition doing hang power cleans and it just snapped great three eight centimeters nice and deep so it was quite a big one everyone was like well you shouldn't even fly

and I was like well screw it I'll fly I'll try and compete anyway and like so basically does that hurt when that happens you shouldn't even fly, you know? And I was like, well, screw it, I'll fly. I'll try and compete anyway. And like, so basically the ball... Does that hurt when that happens? No, it's weird. But do you know something happened? Like, you're like, what was that? It's like someone shot a gun.

Like, the sound was like someone shot a gun. The feeling was like somebody just kicked you in the back of the leg. But you look behind you and there's like no one you're like what and um you don't it's not like really painful it's like you can you just limp a bit you're like oh what is that the my coach was like my training partner was like 10 meters away from me and he's like what does that sound so you can hear it from like 10 meters away and then uh i also fell off my bicycle because i go to my i go to work every day on my bike and i fell off my bicycle and landed on my hand and really messed up my tendon in my hand like i couldn't even hold a dumbbell for a month before

the game so you know a whole lot of a whole lot of things a whole lot of things i had to get i had to get the vaccine because america has to have the vaccine i want to apologize on behalf of all americans for that man it's it's it's his man it's fine he played by the rules they played by the rules all right fine you know so apologize so i had to get the vaccine uh was uh then i got on the vaccine i was like sick for a week. Of course. I couldn't do anything. The whole build-up, I was overtraining because I was just like compensating from small injuries. And, you know, that whole idea of going to the games, it's insane. You know, you're like, I've just qualified for the CrossFit Games.

I have to train like crazy, you know. And a part of like social media, you see these guys training like six, seven hours a day. You're like, this guy's doing seven hours a day. I want to do eight hours a day. You know, this guy's doing like 10 workouts a day like this guy's doing seven hours a day i want to do eight hours a day you know this guy's doing like 10 sit 10 workouts a day i want to do 11 workouts a day so i got really caught up in it like i got really caught up and like i was like i missed a day i would do two days like to catch up you know right right i went all out i went all out and i was over training and under recovering and know, I wasn't surprised that, like, I got hit.

Did you even compete in one event at the Games this year? I did. I competed in three events. You did? Yeah. But injured and beat up? Injured and beat up, dude. And what finally happened on the – what was the third event?

Was that the Capital? No, yeah. So I pulled up before the Capital. So basically, well, I did the bike to work, which was funny because, I mean, I actually placed pretty well in that workout. I don't know. Well, not pretty well. I placed like four guys with one leg, if you know anything. I did the triplets.

I think that's the triplets. Is that the pegboard, the second one? Yeah, 28th. I mean, dude, 28th. Yeah, that's the triplet. Is that the pegboard, the second one? Yeah, 28th. I mean, dude, 28th. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I hadn't done, step one, I haven't done a workout in 10 days. Like, I haven't done a workout. I'm not joking when I say a workout in 10 days,

let alone, like, a toes-to-bar with a torn hamstring. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you about the toes-to-bar. Was that crazy? I had to basically do, like, a knee-to-elbow, like, elbow, like a strict knee to elbow, and just touch the bar, like just limit. Did you get a lot of no reps on that? No, dude. I was just doing them like five by five. I was just doing five reps by five reps.

I'd do five reps, drop down, five reps, drop down, without like forcing it, you know. Not trying to hurt myself. Not trying to be stupid. I heard you only did four laps on the bike and they didn't catch you. I think I did seven laps, dude. Oh, okay.

Uh, I, I definitely did four laps. Like, come on, dude, I didn't do, you know,

the guy in front of you is in front of you. You know, he's not going to do that. Come on. Like that whole lap situation was pretty messed up to be honest. Meaning, meaning you think that the athletes should have known. Yeah, you definitely should have known yeah you definitely

should know like i i know this shouldn't be the athlete's responsibility but you should know like you should know in that workout koski at the last his last round he just came up right next to me i looked at him i was like you're on your fifth lap aren't you and he's like yes so i was like okay so i know i've definitely got one Because I didn't see him the whole race. I knew the guy in front of me was in front of me. And if you know the guy's in front of you, you can see he's in front of you. If he's not pulling in before you, you shouldn't be pulling in either. Right.

Right. And what about when you get off the bike and you sprint to the finish line? You don't sprint, right? No, I don't sprint. right? You're just hobble. Even the starts, the starts, I just walked. I just kind of like jogged like a trot. What are the games medics? What are the games medics say to you?

Are they like, Hey Keelan, you can't go. They were really good. They were really good. They were like, if you, if you need to stop, like, just stop. Like you, you just let us know. We hear, you know, they were there for me. Like they were like pretty supportive. I just said, Hey, listen, I want to,

I want to, I just want to enjoy the moments, enjoy the experience and make the most of it. And then the moment got pretty deep when I did the, the, um, what is the workouts when you do the 400, 600,

800 sprints? Oh, with the, with the 300 pounds overhead. Yeah. Which one was that? Yeah, that moment got really deep for me. Which one was that? What was that called? Shuttle to overhead?

Yeah, shuttle to overhead, yeah. That moment got really deep for me, man. I was like, because I couldn't even finish the run. Oh. Everybody, you just see like people just going back and forth. And I looked up, looked in the crowd, and you can just see people's faces like, what is he doing? Like, what is he doing? And I was like, what am I doing?

What am I doing? Is this worth it? And then I was just like, no, you know, it's the capital. They said there's no time cap for the capital. You have to finish it. So I was like, no no i'm not doing anything like that did did you from from when you qualified to when you realized um something's wrong with you to when you finally pulled out did you ever have an emotional breakdown like on the plane flight

over when you got to your hotel room or when you realized you that night you pulled your hamstring did you did was there ever a moment where you put your hands in your your head and just cried and like what the fuck uh there were many moments like that there were many moments like that but i mean that's been happening my whole life you know as a as a like a struggling professional athlete all my life i i've had that more times than i've had success so i've had more time i've had that experience way more times than anybody should have. But, I mean, I'm used to it. So it's not like the worst thing that can happen. I just, you know, you learn from it and you get over it.

You're just like, okay, it's happened, it's happened. You know, what can I do to get better? How is this, like, is this really going to affect my life? Am I dead? No, it's not the truth you know i mean there's way these people like with situations that are way worse out there you know especially coming from south africa when you see how people struggle he's like not competing at the games okay that's not too bad listen i'm i'm still here i'm on a i'm on a

plane to madison that i've just qualified with again. Of course, I definitely want to compete and I should compete and I'm going to compete. And I will prove you wrong, Sam. I will not be 40th on the list again. Hey, and you're the first black guy to come from Africa.

Yeah, true. True. That's fucking funny. You said you cracked your my skull skull playing rugby yeah i'm kind of afraid to ask how that happened uh just took a knee to the back of the head to the back of the head so basically i i ran into the ball i tucked my head in to praise for impact but i tucked my head in too low i dropped down too low he also dropped down too low and came in with like a knee and knee to head at the right time right spots straight ko woke up oh straight it is a ko oh wow straight ko just woke up like a few seconds later

i was like what the fuck where am i uh couldn't see anything uh yeah did you think you were dead no i don't think i was dead i was like what if i get me uh did you were you not Did you have a concussion? Were you throwing up? No. I've never thrown up from a concussion. I've had a few concussions and I've never thrown up. Damn.

Yeah. I've had many concussions. I've had like about, I think about seven, eight. Do you tell your parents about that or do you keep that, you're like, nah, they don't need to know that. Some of them, they know. Some of them, they don't know. Right. Yeah.

Some of them, they've been with me, like, going to get MRI scan, like, you know, the scans. And they're like, oh, my God. And also, they got to pay that bill. Right. and also they got to pay that bill. Right. But now in my later stages, I'll tell them. I'll keep honest with them and I'll be more honest.

So you're in the hunt for 2023? Yeah, definitely. And what about that hamstring? Is it healed? It's feeling good back training did you have surgery on it no i didn't have surgery on it it wasn't it wasn't like the tendon anything so it is okay it's um who's your coach uh i don't really have a coach i don't have a coach but i suppose my coach would be Denis Dubois. He's a French guy who coaches Guillaume Bryant.

Oh, okay. Do you train with him? We train now and then. We train every now and then. When you don't have a coach, if there's something you're bad at, do you have that discipline to just be like, Hey, I'm rowing every day. I suck at rowing. I'm going to row every day. Yes or no. I mean, like if your coach is like, you suck at rowing,

I just row. I'm going to be like, fuck this coach. I'm not going to just do that. I mean, you have to have some limit. Like if you really think, I mean, Hey, it's really think i mean hey it's work for some people it's work for some people but if you think just rowing every day and just be getting a good at rowing is going to make you a better athlete then do it if you don't think so then don't do it i mean i i like to do the things that i enjoy and the things that i don't enjoy but i'll do it and like the way i want to do it you know i don it. I don't need somebody shouting at me and be like, hey, you need to squat every single day. You need to get stronger.

I know I need to get stronger. I mean, I'm going to get stronger, and I know what I need to do. It's fine. You don't need a coach to be all up in your grill all the time, man. Do you consider doing that? Do you consider joining the Mayhem programming or wanting to be in a camp?

Is it anything you consider? Do you want to hear a funny story? Please. I did just that. I program for myself. I just do what I want to do. And so last year, I finished fifth at the semifinals.

So I was like, let me see what it is. Let me join a program. Let me join a program and see what they can offer me. I joined this one program, which is really good, really well-known, and offers quite a good service. Did the workouts. Hey, look, I qualified. So the program might work. The program might work.

I mean, it's not a coach. I don't have a coach, but it's the program. And you followed it pretty meticulously? Yeah, I followed it pretty – yeah, I followed it like every day, pretty much routine. Got me to the games, but had no help getting to the games, had no supports, like nothing, man. I reached out to them. There were some guys who were really like nice, but not helpful. Like me, they're like me. I'm very nice, but I'm not so helpful. Yeah. Like, like me,

like me. I'm very nice, but I'm not so helpful. Basically. Yeah, basically like you. Meaning, you,

meaning you bought this program. There were some people, you liked the programming. You think it helped you, but when you reached out to the, the, the business or the, the group that does the programming,

it's just like hey how are you nice hair yeah not even that there was like they're not even as nice as me left me on red oh shit have you told them i haven't told them i mean like what i mean i i didn't tell them i mean i i went i even went to them at the games and i was like yo dude i follow your program uh now you're awesome and it was like okay cool shook my hand and it was like carried on doing what he was doing okay cool that was like awkward moments i was like okay cool okay cool and i was like hey carry on with my day then i guess yeah wow yeah wow um here here's why that's weird to me because the um the community is not that big no i know it's not i mean it's big like it's like if you it's like it covers the planet but it's really shallow water it's only like

half inch of water not a deep lake no but now i work with dennis at harder faster stronger so he's a french guy he doesn't he's not too far from me and um so like i mean we go back and forth he'll send me some programs i'll send him what i'm doing uh i'll be like oh that's very interesting i'll i'll try and add that into my program and he'll tell me like we were we just worked together and we're like we're just we're just good friends and we get along well and we'll chat and we'll talk about training we'll talk about the games we got to live the games experience together which is great having him and him there like together that was like awesome having them there you know mentally that was amazing because we you know there's like three of us in the same hotel room and we just had a good laugh you know through the good times and

the bad times and uh you know he's a great guy he's very intelligent he knows what he's talking about you know he's the guy you see that photo and there's like four of us there after the yeah yeah those are the two guys there dennis is the guy with the glasses and guillaume is the guy with the he's he also went to the games as an individual he finished like 26 I think I was looking to see

if there was a picture with you with one of these famous trainers to see which one you were talking about but it doesn't even seem like there's a picture

with you and that person do you really think I was going to ask him for a photo do you do you know like yo can I get a photo with you man nah I was going to ask him for a photo can i get a photo with you man no i wasn't gonna ask him for a photo i mean hey like values are

more important than who you are you know if you like if you someone who's like just friendly and you can have good values and good morals, that's important. That's very important, you know. Just be like, well done, congratulations, you know, what can we do for you? Hey, man, here's a T-shirt. Here's a T-shirt. Like that's small things go far, you know. If he was like, dude, listen, great, we're having a training camp

this weekend. We can't help you financially but you're invited awesome that's good to know i'll do my best to be there you know i invite people all the time to shit that i know they can't come to just so i can get the credit of inviting them ah you're welcome you see and then people will be like you're a good dude you're a good dude with good values and good morals i just made you know i have this fruit tree, Keelan, and it's just dumping fruit, these passion fruit. I have thousands of them, right? And they're $3.99 a pop at the store, $3.99.

So you know what I do? I just give like 10 to everyone I know. And I'm like a god. I'm like, people just be like, hey, they'll lie to. I'm like, I'm like, like people just be like, Hey, they'll lie to me and be like, Oh, you look good today.

I mean, people will say crazy shit to me now. You know what, if you gave me 10 of those fruits, I'd be like, you're one of the best guys ever. You're one of my best mates. You know,

I'd be like, this guy's amazing. I wonder if I could send you 10 to France. Will you text me your address? I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to send you 20. Okay. If you send me 20, you're a real good guy, address? I'm going to try to send you 20. Okay. If you send me 20,

you're a real good guy, man. I'm going to get two years of friendship out of you. At least. Minimum. So the goal is to go to the Games in 2023. Can you make it? Can you do it again? Hey, man, that's fine. It's not easy.

It's not easy. It's crazy, actually. It's kind of batshit crazy You know I think Africa is definitely one of the hardest regions I promise you Wait a minute It's the easiest region No no no

It's not the easiest region It's one of the hardest regions to qualify I'll explain to you why right you're going to ruin my whole stick I always talk shit about fucking Africa don't ruin it I know you do I listen to you talking shit about it

I'm like this guy is just talking shit you're going to ruin my whole stick okay go ahead you have to tape it to win you can't have any mistakes. You have to win. It's like you're basically taping to win the games before going to qualify to the games, dude.

It's so much harder, you know? And like, having said that, the field is not as deep. Yes, I agree. The field is not as deep in talent, but the top five is very competitive. And there's just one. You're saying it's just one mistake and you're fucked.

Exactly. Those top 12 guys are very competitive for one spot, whereas Europe, they'd feel they'd be like 15 deep, but there's five spots, so it's pretty much equivalent. That one spot, you're like, hey, man, one spot, you fuck up one

time, you're done, dude. And your whole year's gone. Your whole year's gone, yeah. Your whole year's gone. All right. So it's not easy. I'm buying it. I'm buying it.

People always talk shit. And people, I'm looking at you, people are like, yeah, yeah. You and Brian's friend. I like how you lean into the camera. I actually just felt a bead of sweat just build up In between my butt cheeks when you lean into the camera I was like oh fuck here we go Yeah man you guys always talk shit about Africa But I mean it's a hard region

And I mean the money and the setup Dude if you had seen the semi-final in Africa You'd be quite shocked man You'd be like what Dude it is insane What do you mean by that Just how Austere it is insane. What do you mean by that? Just how austere it is?

It's gritty? It's gritty, dude. The hosts and stuff, they do a good job. What's that guy's name? Who's the host? Tion? Tion. I met him a bunch. He seemed cool as shit to me.

He made the best of what he could do and you know i know i know chad now chad around would be he's great yeah i think he'll definitely push it in a better direction uh and tiana those guys they did the best they can with what they could but i mean it's still like subpar you know it's not like if you go there, you'd be like, what? Is this like a local show or, you know? Like a junior high track and field event? Yeah, dude. You know, I mean, it's, yeah, it's basically like that. And that was my first ever competition.

And I've only done two competitions in my life. There's two competitions. That is something crazy. I saw one of your interviews. You've only done two competitions and then the CrossFit Games. Yeah. Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah, so, I mean, you guys –

What did Jason say to you when you made it this year? Was he pissed? No, he wasn't pissed. Like, he was – I mean, I guess – Did he go masters? Maybe he was pissed. Maybe he just didn't show it. But, I mean, Jason's a good guy.

Like, that dude's insane. He is a good guy. I got nothing but respect for that guy. One of the best African athletes, even CrossFit athletes. He's a great athlete. He finished top 10. He's been there. He's done great performance in Dubai and stuff like that.

Dude's a beast. He's got like four kids or, I don't know, two kids. He's like 38. Proof that CrossFit does work at all ages. He pushed me to the limit and I pushed him to the limit. That was great. Having someone like that in the competition, when you've got

one spot and there's three of you going for that one spot, it's tough. If the field was deeper, let's say one spot. And there's like three of you going for that one spot. It's tough. You know, it's not like there's like, if the field was deeper, let's say the top 10, the top 10 were like all competitive and you, they all pushing for that top spot.

You can mess up and then catch up, you know, but the Chris is only like three guys. It's the, the margin is so, it's so tight. Are you a good coach? I try to be. Do you,

do you enjoy it? Yes, I know. I mean, obviously this, this time lately, it's training for the games was insane. You know,

if you go, if you're a good coach, you put in a lot of like energy, you know, you, you walk a lot, you move a lot, you,

you do the movements a lot. And you you know you you walk a lot you move a lot you you do the movements a lot and you know i'm i coached like 35 hours a week and training to the games i was like training like 20 30 hours a week and if i'm i was still trying to keep a good standard of coaching if you i'll do like 16 to 20 steps a day coaching and i ride my bike to work and to another gym and i was like man if you're going to be a good coach and an athlete, it's complicated. So at this moment, I do enjoy coaching. But at the moment, no, because, I mean, I want to be competitive.

So you've got to find the balance. Do you want to be the coach or do you want to be the best athlete? be the best athletes um what what um do you think you could offer um a you know a world-class uh rugby team um you could advance their coaching and training yeah fitness training could you be a strength coach for with what you know now that you perform crossfit at the highest level i have done with i have done with i have worked with some teams and i mean i do enjoy it that's just like again another sacrifice because then you're working with the team you gotta like you always on uh you're always going away on the weekends you know you it's quite a commitment you know like there if you're committing for a pro team

you're committing a lot of hours and a lot of time a lot of individual needs and then you're working with like big egos you know big egos big egos professional rugby players and you know professional athletes anybody with athletes you know it's hard to tell them hey listen you gotta do this and then you know nowadays everybody knows better so maybe why not maybe one day i will work in a rugby situation uh for the moment, I'm enjoying CrossFit coaching. I'm enjoying CrossFit training. While I'm still fairly young, I just want to push as an athlete and make the most of it. And, you know, look, you can be a good coach,

but if nobody knows who you are, are you going to make a living? No. You can be a shitty coach and be like the best athletes in the world and everybody will buy your program. Right? But you're a shit coach. So you make a good living. So while you're still young, like if you can compete, compete.

Make a name for yourself. Put yourself out there. Get a good image out there and then you know slowly work your way into coaching some other guys have done it seems to be working pretty well for them i love it um well uh torque tank what do you think about that device the torque tank never used it i don't i don't think it should be in competition. Anything that's if you push harder, resist harder,

that doesn't make any sense. Can you explain to me why that doesn't make any sense to you? What do you need to explain? I don't need it explained to me. I need someone else to explain it to the world too. I feel like I've always explained it to people. Can you explain to us why? What about competition makes it fun? The harder you push, the harder it pushes you.

So it's basically saying you're going to do front squats, but every time you squat, the bar is going to push back. The bar is going to push back against you. Every time you squat, if you want to go faster, the bar is going to push back harder. What? No, that doesn't make sense. Have you ever heard of – I don't know if these stories are true i don't know anyone who knows kim jong-un or whatever the guy's name is for north korea but i heard like if you play golf with him like every

shot's a whole you got to say every shot of his is a hole in one and i feel happens i something bad happens to you but i i feel like that's what the torque tank is. When you put it in a competition setting, it's like – so you're punished. Like you just have to do it. You're punished for doing better. It's just complete – it's not competition. It's not – yeah. Wow, okay.

I'm glad you – Hey, man, a good old sled is all you need, man. A sled. What's wrong with the old sled? Like what's wrong with the sled? Yeah. It's probably the best, like the sled is probably the best tool for training anyway for crossfit and all athletes. Do you think then the only reason why we see it in competitions is because they paid money?

Probably. We'll get, we'll get to the bottom of this eventually probably it's interesting i here here's the thing too someone writes the torque tank may only make sense if it could measure power somehow i don't even trust that yeah but then how would you do that in competition like like maybe you push it and there's some digital readout on it and it's measuring but i i don't even trust those things i don't trust the monitors i don't trust the magnets the fan blades that i don't trust any of that shit just i mean how about just a sled with some weight on it and you push it i agree with you i agree with you i

mean even in crossfit like when you look at the machines and i've got nothing i love machines i mean i've worked on a lot of the machines so the ski the row and the bike a guy like myself who's got smaller limbs and lighter will always be at a disadvantage no matter how much effort i try no matter how much work i put in i will always be at a disadvantage because there's an algorithm within this machine right so the bigger and the heavier you are the better and faster you'll be you know if it's a sled push that's like straight up dude if you if you're bigger and heavier sure weight moves weights but if you work harder like bigger and heavier, sure, weight means weight. But if you work harder,

like I can work harder, you know, but a machine will always be a machine. So it's got, I mean, is it, is it really a good test of fitness? Yes.

And no, yes. I know it is a good test of fitness. The bike, the ski, the row, they good test of fitness. Can you,

is it a good way of measuring fitness? I don't know. If it's like rowing on the water. Yeah sure because then it's like there's a good transfer to sports the sport elements where you have to know a bit of skill and how you're rowing and etc and all that stuff uh if you're right if you're biking on the on the bike basically like the bike to work i thought that event was great look dude i mean i bike to work every day i know how was great. Look, dude, I mean, I bike to work every day. I know how to ride a bike. I passed some guys who, I mean,

I was like, wow, these guys are big athletes. I looked, I was like just pedaling like easy. I looked to my left and some guys were like breathing so heavy and they didn't know how to change gears and they were like struggling. I was like, I was like,

what's going on here, man? Oh, way to say on, on, on, at the CrossFit games. Yeah.

The CrossFit games. Yeah. You were biking kind of weird though though, too, weren't you? I was just biking. I was biking normally. I was just like, this is just a bike, man. I was biking as much as I can with one leg. I've got one hamstring, dude.

I couldn't be back. Oh, right. Okay. Because I noticed your arms were bent like this. Oh, yeah. So I did have my arms out quite a bit because i was using my arms a lot on the toaster bar so i just use a lever so you're doing a lot of the your lats you put your lats in try and like round your back so i don't have to have that hamstring extension so i was doing a lot of

the work of my on the toaster with my lats so my arms that were blown up quite a bit and uh and dude i just got big arms and big lats dude come on you do have fucking gigantic arms your arms are gigantic thanks everyone i appreciate it yeah i was comparing them this morning to alexander carones like you're you're trying that guy's got some big arms dude geez yeah or jason kalipa your arms are really how did they get like that that just born like that or just a lot of triceps dude when i was young like when we started training when i started in the gym like we were told deadlifts and squats that's no go like that'll just hurt your back yeah bench

biceps and triceps bro yeah did you do a lot of close grip bench bench press too yeah yeah i did some of those yesterday i When I was in school, anytime we'd go out before we'd go out anywhere, like a party or anything with my brother, I was like 14, 15 and going to school. We'd do 21s

every four or five times a week. You know it's 21s? I think it's like seven like this and then seven full range yeah yeah yeah i know that shit yeah i know that shit yeah we'll hit 21s we'll do three sets of 21s then we'll do the diamond push-ups the low push-ups get that bicep pump then like you're looking nice and sore yeah it's a little too small exactly dude you know it's you know it's a hey

man i was i'm not the tallest guy i know i'm like five foot five like you said i'm well you gotta have you gotta compensate somehow what you can um keelan why did you um we talked about how i talked all that shit about africa about how easy it is to go from there it's ridiculous i made fun of i can't remember what the other continent is. I'm always making fun of too, but you ranked me last. I ranked you last. Um, why did you, um, come on the, uh, podcast where you like, fuck this guy. I'm not coming on his show. Or are you like, Oh no, it's all in good heart. I'm coming on. It's all in good heart, man. Hey, listen, everybody's allowed to have an opinion. I mean, Hey, look, you rang me last and I came last. So there's got to be some reason.

But no, the truth is, the truth is. Your loss was my win. Your loss was my win. I know. I mean, I'm happy to talk about it. It's important to have these conversations. And, you know, it's important to express yourself and to be heard and to listen. You know, I listen to your podcast every now and then.

And, you know, it's, it's, it's interesting. You know, I don't see why I shouldn't go on a podcast and I'm not, I'm not anything. I'm not hiding anything. I've got nothing to hide. I mean, I've got anything to express and say what I want to say.

I'm happy to be here. It's nice to chat with you. You're a nice guy. Sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah. Um, I really appreciate you coming on.

Um, I, everything I've heard about you, there, there's not a lot about, about you on the,, there's not a lot of interviews I could find about you, but everyone who knows you that I know said that you're one of the nicest guys that they met at the CrossFit Games. And I just want to say that I second that. You're a gentleman. I appreciate you coming on. And you said you just got off work?

Yeah, I just got off work. i just got to work i finished at seven o'clock actually i thought the podcast was tomorrow because you said tomorrow at uh but tomorrow is for you tomorrow but today is for me today so i think i'm the center of the universe i'm so sorry yeah that's why my problems since i've been born um uh when i text you just now on your phone did you get the text yeah i did okay okay i did i did i did i did i think i replied to you i don't know if i did and i was just had to ride back home so i i oh yes i see it i see it i see it i see it okay i see it now yeah yeah and i did respond because i text you here and on WhatsApp okay at both places alright brother hey thank you

you have my number text me anytime I don't sleep by my phone you can never interrupt me it was really an honor to meet you I don't say this to a lot of people I can't think of anyone I've said it to in Sickener podcast I hope we get to hang out sometime and meet in person you're a cool dude appreciate it dude appreciate it man we'llikner podcast. I hope we get to hang out sometime and meet in person. You're a cool dude. Appreciate it, dude.

Appreciate it, man. We'll keep in contact. I'm waiting for my fruit. Yes. Oh, will you send me your address? I'm going to try to do it. Okay. Okay, brother.

Thanks for the podcast. Yep. Bye. Bye. Send me your shirt size too. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'll send you one of your new favorite shirt.

Okay. Thanks, dude. Bye. I'll send you one of your, your new favorite shirt. Thanks dude. Two podcasts today. I canceled my third.

That's a cool dude. Not going to lie. I was a little nervous. It's a little nervous. I don't even remember. I was just a little nervous cause I just didn't have a lot of, I couldn't do a lot of research on him. There's not a lot of stuff out there about them um oh this person wants to know more about my colonoscopy you know what kaiser did i was like uh kaiser sent me a piece of paper to

put in my toilet and then shit on it and shit on it and then from there I'm gonna send them a sample there send them a sample

but I didn't do it. Maybe I should get a colonoscopy. I don't know. I feel great. I look great. Don't I look great? I feel great. I look great.

I sound great. The only thing I need more of is sleep. I just need a little more sleep. I just i i don't normally say shit like that but i just need to sleep a tiny bit more maybe a call-in show tonight maybe no no no i'm going out greg's in town tonight i'm going out that's what i'm doing i think his plane lands any minute how's the flight How's the flight? How's the flight? All right.

Ah, yes. Andrew. Andrew Hiller. What's up alright guys thank you um yes Tommy has warned me about that that's right uh

Sevan do you know who he was I don't know who he was talking about uh Johnny I didn't even know if he was fucking black or not I don't even know shit I thought for sure he was a Pakistani guy or an Indian guy. ask because for the fucking life of me i didn't want it to be rich froning that's why i didn't ask i didn't care who else it was i just did not want it to be rich i love rich so much i didn't want anyone to say anything bad about rich and then me just fucking have to get on a plane go to france and fucking put keelan in a headlock France and fucking put Keelan in a headlock.

Oh, I know. I know. I owe you. I know. I owe you some footage from that. I have the footage too. I know. I know.

I owe it. I do owe it to you guys. Some footage from Greg's last up. He's having another up coming up here on October 7th. Pretty excited about that. All right, guys. Thank you, Mr. Wayne. Thank you, as always. Brandon Waddle, Adam Blakeslee,

Eric Wise, Johnny, I don't know who he's talking about, Javier Acosta, Vindicate. Get your gear, your podcast gear at Vindicate. All this shit's cool. This is from Vindicate, the shirt. Travis, I'm thinking about building out that skateboard today i don't know if that's i'm gonna get in trouble with you for that um who else on here needs to be uh miss riddow elise car riddow eric wise melissa

odd odier armenian uh contingent I don't see anyone else it's just the same six of you in here rack biceps curl athlete I don't know what that is hi to you Trish hi he said he said he listens to the podcast Waddell Waddell

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Waddell sounds better. I know. You can see why he might not like it, though, right? That's not one of those attractive traits when someone waddles. This is not. Rack biceps. There are five million white people in South Africa. I. Yeah. Yeah. I mean South Africa. I. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, there's fucking. Yeah. Gazillions. Sounds like there's some Chinese people in there, too. Why did rack biceps make fun of me for something? Saying Z is Z. Most people are mixed. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with that country?

No chance it was rich thank you then if it then if it was then if it was mad he took a second shot at him too which was kind of funny that was the funniest part of the show seven thanks for all your hard work thank you send. Send my wife a text. Tell her. Brandon Waddell. I used to get to punish prisoners when they mispronounced it. Oh, shit. Okay, well, that's a good note to change the show on.

I will talk to you guys later. Peace and love.