The Sevan Podcast - #610 - Alma Ohene-Opare

Episode Date: September 27, 2022

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Learn more at LandRover.ca. Bam, we're live. Good morning. Good morning. Alma Ohin Opar. Ohene Opari. Ohene Opari. Alma Ohene Opari. It's just Alma Ohene Opari. Alma Ohene Opari.

Yep, you got that. Alma Ohene Opari. Alma Ohene Opari Alma Ohini Opari. And you even got a hyphen in your name. Yep. Is it mom and dad mixed together? No, just my dad's middle name he gave to all his kids. Oh, good morning.

I'm Sevan. Good morning. Thanks for doing this, brother. Thank you for having me. Good morning. Thanks for doing this, brother. Thank you for having me. Can I, I want to play this clip from your Instagram real quick.

All right. Let me see if I can find exactly where it is. There's so many. There's so many good ones. Oh, man. Let's start with this one. Let's see if I can pull this up smoothly. Okay, here we go. Here we go. Study people who are at the pinnacle of anything.

You recognize that to get there, motivation was maybe 1% of the formula. Maybe. 1%. You thought motivation was the formula. Winners don't need motivation. Winners need discipline. Discipline is about getting it done because it needs to get done,

not because I feel like it, not because I'm motivated for it. You think Nelson Mandela was motivated to spend 27 years in prison you think martin luther king was motivated to march across the states and proclaim freedom you think you know if you look at people to change the world they're not doing it because they're motivated they're doing it because they made a commitment to do it and they disciplined to see it through discipline is far more important than motivation, which is why you've got to be careful the decisions you make. Because once you make the decision, you have to see that decision through. Like my mentor says, first we make the decisions, then the decisions make us.

No plan B. Just really good habits. Exactly. Do you know where you got your good habits from? I would say definitely from my parents. My parents were exemplary in raising us up to be people who understood responsibility, understood duty, and understood what was necessary for success. So this was, you know, my parents are very hardworking. My mom was an entrepreneur and she never saw a problem that she didn't believe could be solved. And she just went to work anytime she found a problem. She just went

to work to try to solve that problem. And so that's the kind of upbringing that I've had growing up. And that has permeated all through my life up till this point. And you're living where now? I live in Utah. Over here. That's the state stuck between Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, Idaho. And there's something else over here. I wish Colorado. And you come from here. You're born over here.

Yep. Ghana, Western Africa. I spent a lot of time in Africa, but not Western Africa. And when you say your mom, Alma, when you say your mom was an entrepreneur, what does that look like in Ghana? What are some of the ventures she was involved in? So my mom actually, ever since she got married, just to back up a little bit. So my mom actually went to high school, her last year of high school in New York. her last year of high school in New York. So she won an essay contest and was able to get a scholarship to be an exchange student up in New York. And so that was kind of her heritage. And when she got back home, she got married to my dad. She immediately went to work to try to

find some way to support him as he also supported the family. And so she started with just selling of textiles and things like that, just trading. And then she started making pastries and baking goods that my dad would then take to work to sell to his colleagues and friends. And so that's what she kept doing. But one passion that she had was when she would walk to school with us, her kids, she would find herself standing there and watching the people take care of the kids. And she felt kind of mesmerized by it. And eventually, she spoke to one of the owners of the school

and said, you know, when I grow up, I want to start a school. And the lady said, why wait till you're old? Like, why not do it now? And so she, that lady planted that seed in my mom, and she set out to achieve that goal. So in 1989, my mom set up her first school with 11 kids in a relatively, I'd say, disadvantaged neighborhood in the capital of Ghana. And so she started her school there. She called it the Sunbeam Nursery School. And that school ended up growing and becoming very large. She got up to 700 students. She was able to move my entire family to attend that school. And that's where I went until ninth grade. All my cousins ended up going to that school. She, through that school and others, she set up others, other campuses. She educated close to, I would say probably close to 10,000 people over 30 years.

And so this is something that she was dedicated to even until her unfortunate passing in April this year. She was building yet another school when she passed. And so my mom has been really big as an entrepreneur. And as she ran the school, every time there was a need, she decided to solve it. And so one of the things she saw was, you know, of course, because of the needs of the school with the kids, many of them coming to school without breakfast, she actually created a bakery, which she called a Bountiful Bakery. And she started making the bread and the pastries that she would then feed the kids with when they would come to school. with when they would come to school. And beyond that, she loved a lot of these kids who were growing up and she wanted to help them, you know, get married and start their families. And so she went to school and started doing cake decorations. So she was making wedding cakes and in decorations for people and so on. So my mom was involved in probably 10 or 15 different ventures.

So my mom was involved in probably 10 or 15 different ventures. And many times we had to tell her, mom, you know, even when she was sick, get into the end of her life. We're saying you need to retire. It's our generation now. Let's take over from you and let's, you know, have you retire. And she said, if I stop this, I will die. So she was a serial entrepreneur. She really was.

Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Alma, you popped up. this i will die so she was a serial entrepreneur she really was definitely just yeah definitely uh alma you popped up i'm saying your name right right alma alma ohini opari opari um you popped up on my radar obviously for the reason you popped up on millions of people's radar you uh sent the open letter to uh joe biden it it was it was so uh appropriate as a um lifelong uh liberal who voted for obama hillary clinton uh etc um to see what's coming out of that administration is i mean to to look back and see what was coming out of all the administrations is kind of scary. Just the divisiveness and the manipulation of the people. I'm still on the naive side of the fence where I don't think that they're doing it on purpose. I don't think that they really realize that they are the plantation owners and that they are continuing the spread of racism through their benign attempts to get rid of it. I don't think that they realize what they're doing. But that being said, it is so – when I – there's three groups of people that I really think need to speak up in this country. I think the obese people need to speak up and take responsibility for the – I think the whole entire pandemic was – I think that the entire pandemic, those who were at threat were strictly just the obese.

I think that was the singular correlate that was the problem. I think that gay people need to speak up and separate themselves from the trans community and let them know, hey, there's no – this is a totally different situation. And then I think people with black skin need to speak up and be like, hey, they're pushing this victim mindset on us because unfortunately the straight white people are terrified, right? They don't want to be accused of being racist. They don't want to be accused of being homophobic. They don't want to be accused of being racist. They don't want to be accused of being homophobic. They don't want to be accused of being fattest. Right. And so everyone's so scared and trying to walk this this really narrow political line. this, this task of, of, of representing people with melanated skin, people who just biologically are, um, more, uh, better prepared to live closer to the equator. I mean, that is the only, uh, I think difference between us, but they keep wanting to say it's black and white,

but really it's just a biological thing. And it actually has nothing to do with race. If anything, it just has to do with culture. These are my opinions. Um, how do you have the, uh, It just has to do with culture. These are my opinions. How do you have the audacity, the balls to do this? Like, aren't you afraid that I would think that people with black skin would be just as afraid that they're going to alienate themselves from people who look like them the same way white people are going to be afraid to get judged for being racist? to get judged for being racist? I think the truth is much more important than any other considerations I may have. And I remember growing up, my dad had a plaque in our living room that said two things.

The first one said, do what is right and let the consequence follow. And the second one said, if you do what is right, you have no need to fear. And so a lot of times my philosophy is, what is the worst case scenario in anything that I'm doing? And am I prepared to live with the consequences of that worst case scenario? And what is the alternative? And so by doing that analysis, I say to myself, if I don't speak up, who would? And if I speak up, and that means that it costs me something, If I speak up and that means that it costs me something, then for me, that is a price worth it to pay. I grew up in a country that was under military dictatorship for the first seven years of my life.

And ideas like freedom of speech were not guaranteed. And there was an actual fear of retribution from the government for speaking against the government. And having grown up under those conditions, and finally, being here in America, I will not take my freedom of speech for granted. here in America, I will not take my freedom of speech for granted. And so my belief is that, you know, I have been blessed with the ability to express myself in a way that conveys important points without any malice and without any anger towards anyone. And I believe that is the kind of speech that we need to promote so that we can begin to talk to each other again, so that we can begin to hear each other again. And that is the path that will lead us back to the greatness that America is known for. And I want to be a catalyst to bring back that kind of conversation. for. And I want to be a catalyst to bring back that kind of conversation. How do I, how do I do that? How do I, um, um, talk like you so that when I express my ideas,

they're not offensive just based on, or, or, or alienate people based on their tone and sort of the anger that I might express? I would say, first, the truth by its very nature is sometimes offensive to certain people. So you can't always avoid offending somebody when you're speaking the truth. That's a reality of life. And so my goal is not necessarily not to offend anybody, but my goal is to make my intentions clear. A lot of times we are assuming people's intentions as they speak to us. And we judge what they're saying based on those predetermined intentions that we have assigned to that person. And so, for instance, someone commented on one of my videos recently and said, hey, the people you're talking about

or the people you're supporting don't like you. They hate you. They don't think you're human. That was amazing. That was very manipulative on their part. think you're a human. That was amazing. That was very manipulative on their part. And so if you approach a conversation with that premise already embedded in your heart, there is absolutely no chance that you end up in a place where there's constructive moving forward. Right. And so I say, first, get rid of all the prejudice and begin to see people as, one, fellow citizens, but also, even if you believe that they are wrong in some way, you should have enough humility and enough sense to say, this person is a potential convert. And if they're a potential convert, then how do I further that conversion by hating them? Right.

Right. And so one philosophy that I live by is leave every conversation as a friend rather than an enemy, if you can help them. Right. And so when I go into a conversation or if I'm speaking about something, I say, what is my goal with this conversation? What do I want people to do after they hear something like this? And that's kind of how I frame what I'm saying. And I make sure I pick my words carefully, as carefully as I can to make sure that I'm not putting off any vibe that I don't intend to. Yeah, it's the vibe.

But in the end, I still want to speak the truth. I think I can vibe people wrong. It's not the, I'm not worried about offending them either or hurting their feelings, but I do, I am disappointed when I alienate people. I get a little disappointed in myself. It's natural. And I think it's normal that some people, no matter what you do, will be alienated.

Seriously, if you come. And that's why I decided to join this movement to reclaim the whole MAGA idea from all the people who have taken it and, you know, completely twisted it. Because, you know, if I said to, I went to some random village in Africa, and I said to them, let's make this village great again. I don't assume that people will immediately say, well, you hate us. And that's why you're saying that. Right. And so we have created this atmosphere where language cannot be taken for what it is. There's always some digging in for some nefarious backstory to the language that is being spoken, such that when you say even benign things, people hear something completely different. So say make america great again and somebody

says no i hear make america white again i'm like how do you come i call that um i call that being trapped in their head definitely um and i i don't call that exactly it's it's a form of mental slavery yeah there's they spin a net of listening, they're constantly spinning narratives around everything that's coming in. That is true. They don't even know they're doing it, and then they react to their own narrative. So now they're talking to themselves, and they don't even see Alma or Savant. That is exactly the case. The way I have described it recently is people subscribe to different channels for their news.

But unfortunately, I think there's a trend where people are outsourcing their thinking to those platforms that they subscribe to. And so instead of hearing the information and analyzing that information in their own CPU, so to speak, and then kind of internalizing that information in a way that makes sense to them, and then speaking about that experience that they have after receiving that message. People are just short-circuiting the whole process and saying, I trust the source, and

so I am just going to outsource my thinking to them. And so anything that they spew out, I will just be a conduit for the regurgitation of that information without even thinking through it. And so you find a lot of people saying the same thing. And my question is, how is it possible that you could have, 100 people spread across the entire country,

literally saying the same words and you realize they're not really thinking through it. They've just outsourced that thinking to some tink-tink, and they're just repeating the words of the tink-tink. Even the most simple things, people struggle with listening to – because I've spent months and months living in Africa, and I spent months and months living in China and in India, and I filmed movies in over 100 countries. And when people refer to people by the color of their skin, I see this giant miss, this giant ignorance because it has nothing to do with the color of skin. It's all cult or race. It's all cultural. So you can't you can't even say that, you know, black people as a culture. If you haven't lived in Africa for six months because the cultures are it's like saying, you know, white people, but you've never been to Iceland. The white people ineland are fucking nothing like the white people in fucking los angeles i apologize for the swearing i want to tell you guys something really quick for those you don't know and i apologize for not introducing and uh introducing you to him alma ohini is it right orhini opari opari um born in uh ghana came to this country 19 years ago. Recently, in the last couple of years, became a U.S. citizen. He came here for missionary work.

He did not come here as a Muslim, as some of you racists in the comments say. No, I'm just joking. Four children, been married for 16 years. He's a no plan B guy. There's no – he doesn't need any motivation um he just has one plan one vision he moves forward with it he's highly disciplined uh and he's maybe the most articulate uh and kind of like he speaks like how i imagine the um the buddha would speak just pulling his words very gently sorry if that was sacrilegious since you're a Christian.

He pulls his words very gently from a well of words and brings them and gives them life in this world. And it's made him a social media, you know, for those of us who need to hear his calmness and his clarity. It's made him a vital part of our social media experience. Why not stay in Ghana? Your mom has a school with 700 kids. You could take that school over. You could get married there. You could live just a cool life.

You know, why not do that? I mean, it sounds like you had a good base there. Definitely. Why come over here and start from scratch? I know. Definitely. there definitely so i come over here and start from scratch i know um definitely uh i do not claim at all to come from some you know underprivileged background i was actually very privileged growing up in ghana my parents were well to do as far as um you know comparably or relatively and and they like i said set up this wonderful base for us. And so one of the

things that I did initially in Ghana is I graduated high school at 16 and I wanted to come to college in the U.S. However, I was too young. My parents wouldn't let me come to America at 16 and go to college by myself. So they actually gave me an alternative. And the alternative was to hire me in their school to teach. So I became a teacher late, you know, in my 16th year and started teaching English and started teaching computer skills to kids from K to ninth grade. And so I had the opportunity to kind of, you know, learn how to transform my thoughts into words, but not only into words, but words that people would understand and to leverage

analogies and storytelling as a way to convey important points. And so that's something that I really admire my parents for doing for me. And they did this for all my siblings as well. Everyone in my family had the opportunity to teach in the schools. And so we all learned that and were able to gain this kind of public speaking abilities from it. And then from there, the reason I didn't stay personally was because there were things that I wanted to do that I felt, you know, whether true or not, I felt I couldn't achieve over there. And for me, it is all encapsulated

in a really interesting story that happened to me when I was in high school. I found a physics textbook and in there, there was instructions on how to construct your own pinhole camera. And I wanted to do that so badly. So I called a group of friends and we started putting that stuff together. We

realized we needed this particular film and I couldn't find it. I just scoured the entire city. I couldn't find it. Eventually I had to make do with an alternative and I didn't know if that alternative will work, but I had to try it. And so I tried it. We put this camera together and then we took some pictures with it, but I could never find anyone to print those pictures for me. And so that basically is a quintessential explanation of how I felt being there. You could have things you wanted to do, but the system and the infrastructure and the entire community was not arrayed to help people do certain things that were kind of out of the spectrum of possibilities. And so you find yourself kind of censoring yourself a little bit in your dreams, saying, well, this, I can't do that. You know, that I can't do here. And I said, I wanted to go to a place where I could dream freely, that I could think about anything I wanted to do and be sure that I could find someone or something or a system or a tool

that could allow me to do that. And the way I summarize that is I could wake up in the morning with an idea, go to Home Depot or Lowe's, buy some material, and come home on the same day and build a prototype without thinking, right? And I couldn't do that in Ghana. I could wake up, I could think about great ideas, but there was always some structural blockade that prevented me from getting to the other side of that dream. And I wanted to be in a place where I wasn't burdened and I didn't have to kind of censor my dreams to fit what the society could give me. I don't think that story is so out of reach of most Americans even being able to empathize it. I had a gentleman from the Ukraine on the show many, many years ago. He came to the United States – or no, he met his wife there who was doing missionary work. She came from California.

They ended up having seven kids. They ended up doing missionary work in Afghanistan, which was just crazy. But anyway, he said he just couldn't believe the fact that in the United States you could walk down the street, walk into a McDonald's, and apply for a job and be working the next day. He just said that he – and the fact that there were jobs everywhere. He said it's not even like that in my country. He couldn't even believe the stuff that we – We take for granted yeah that we take for granted uh in the camera story is fascinating um what a what a healthy uh sort of inquisition you did experiment do you do you know um thomas so well are you familiar with him the economist yes I am, yes.

I'm not going to do this justice. I wish I could speak more clearly on this. But basically he was saying that what happened was is that to people with black skin in the United States is they got involved in politics, and that took them down the wrong path. So today, a lot of people think the whites are the richest people in the country. But if you look at that medium income, they make 66% or something like that of the average. If you were to break people down by the way they look, they make 66% of what Chinese people make in this country or Indians. And then there's a whole list of, you know, if you break down the ethnicities, whites are like at the halfway point. And he suggesting that that those indians chinese um he lists a whole bunch of them just kept their head down and because uh people with black skin chose the path of politics that's where they got derailed and started being used as a tool of manipulation do you have any thoughts on that that that that world of politics is just there is no end game there.

There is no success there. I will look at it a little differently, please. And the way I look at it is and I apologize if I misrepresented Thomas Sowell and he didn't say that. I apologize. Yeah, that's OK. So I will look at it a little differently. That's okay. So I will look at it a little differently. I say, to the extent that Black people got involved in politics, I think they were compelled to, considering the history and how the country in many respects were arrayed against them as a group of people. And so there were only two, I would say, there was only one legal way to assert your rights, right? The other way was to fight for it violently, but the other way was to use the political process to change some of those laws and systems that were in place. And so I think, you know, they had to leverage politics as a way to kind of get the message out there and fight for civil rights and so on and so forth.

The question is... Like literally get the shackles off, like, hey, we have to fucking change the laws. They had to first deal with that. And unfortunately, the way you do that is through the political system. Otherwise, it's, you know... Right, violence. You're fighting against the country. And so I would say how they got to that was not necessarily a choice.

It was something that they had to do because that was the only way you could, you know, get yourself at the table to make the kind of difference and that you needed to make in that community. So putting that aside, I personally don't purport to represent or speak on, you know, Black issues necessarily. And the reason I don't is because the way I look at it is I don't have a full and clear perspective of people's perceptions of themselves and their perceptions of the opportunities around them. So one way I look at it is I recently got myself one of those VR headsets, the Oculus, and I started using it. There's a game in there called the Plank Experience. And that game is, it basically has you enter a virtual elevator. It takes you 10 stories up and opens the elevator. And all you see is basically a little plank and you have to walk the plank and you are

basically 10 stories high. And a minute before wearing those glasses, you believed and knew and could trust the ground as being solid. But once you have those glasses on, suddenly your perception is completely different. And it doesn't matter whether the people around you are saying to you, the ground is solid, you can walk on it. You still see and have that perception that you are going to fall. And so even people who had just minutes ago that's it

yeah okay that's exactly it and you can see so even people who had could trust the ground just a couple of minutes ago suddenly are placed into this world where they can't trust anything anymore. And so my view is that I don't have those glasses on. And so I can't necessarily, you know, make judgments about somebody's perception of their existence. And what we need to do is to, rather than shun people because they believe something that we, from our perspective, think is not real, that we embrace people, welcome them to the table. And if we believe they have glasses on that need to be removed, maybe we help them through the process of removing those glasses

and help them see that it is possible to walk on the ground and not be afraid. And I think that's the approach we need to take rather than the more combative approach, which is to just deny that people are seeing what they clearly believe they're seeing. are seeing what they clearly believe they're seeing. And I think that hasn't helped anybody because we're still in that situation where people still believe there is systemic racism and systemic oppression that is holding them back and so on. And so my kids, my goal for my kids is to make sure that they don't ever pick up those glasses and put that on. My goal for my kids is to make sure that they see, as I see, a land full of opportunity where they can pick whatever it is they want to do and work hard and achieve it.

And I'm going to be there as a support system for them. as a support system for them. And I think that's the way we need to approach young kids who believe they can't succeed in America. I think the worst thing you can do to a person is to hide from them their potential. And what we need to start doing is showing people their potential, revealing that potential to them. And this is something my parents did when they started their school. They actually created a charity school in a small village and we would meet these kids who had no shoes on, who had barely any clothing and these kids will walk miles and miles to come to school.

And we would take these kids, bring them into our school in the capital. And within a year, everything changes. Their outlook on life changes. When you ask them what they want to be in the future, that changes. Everything changes because we changed their perspective and we showed them a glimpse of their potential. And I think that's the thing that we need to be focused on is showing people their potential. And then if they see any barriers, we become the support system that they can anchor against so that they can go ahead and try to push down those barriers. And that's what I want to do. My goal is not to denigrate anybody for their experiences.

I want to make sure that I fully appreciate where they're coming from and then be a catalyst to help them see how they can escape that. I've always felt that one of the most damaging things you could do to yourself, this is a Lao Tzu saying from the Tao Te Ching. He says, argue your limitations and they are yours but what's worse than that is arguing other people's limitations for them so um when when someone says uh uh i'm a victim and then you have someone like lebron saying yes you are a victim and jumping on board and validating their limitations i see it as one of the worst things you could do as a, as a, as a human being to another human being. I'd like to play this clip right here. Another fantastic clip here. Oh, and you know what I'm going to do here? I'm going to just change if you're okay with it.

I'm going to change your name. Oh, maybe I can put both. I'm going to put your instagram handle here like this are you okay with that um i'm not seeing i just put willful positivity okay so that if people wanted to follow you okay i'm gonna go ahead and play this clip listen up guys to this one hi everyone i came to america with nothing but a simple dream a dream to leave my mark on the world. America owed me nothing except the freedom to chart my own path. Along the way, I met two types of people, those who believed in their own potential and made the choices necessary to achieve their dreams. And those who believed they had no choices except the ones imposed upon them by some

invisible force seeking to keep them down. I learned that as an individual, it was in my power to make my own way and that my dreams were not subservient to the immoral and artificial limits placed on people that look like me. I believe a crucial key to success is to never adopt the limitations of others. The only limitations I acknowledge are the ones I plan to overcome tomorrow. The limitations of others. It's so good. It's so wise.

It's such great stuff. So if someone could remember just that, that final part and walk around the world with that. Do not, do not, Do not argue your limitations. Do not let anyone else argue your limitations for you. They're dream stealers. I often think that they're the most vocal or the most delusional. And so that they are afraid their glasses might fall off. And so they're trying to get the masses to validate that the plank is real. Exactly.

Exactly. And I think that's where the media and a lot of pundits are going. And a lot of academia is going towards this idea of creating or making the plank real. Now, it was real at some point. Right, Now, it was real at some point. Right, right. Right. It was real at some point. However, not recognizing when you have transcended a challenge keeps you wallowing in the mire of that challenge. Right. And so we need to teach people when they have actually broken that threshold to say, hey, there's no looking back now.

You've transcended this challenge and you need to press forward. And I think a lot of people don't realize it. And the worst thing you can do to a person is to not let them know when they have overcome something that is pretty significant. That is pretty significant. And so this idea of kind of pulling people back into that struggle is something that I think we need to fight against. And in Ghana, there's something we call PhD. PhD. And what that means is pull him down. Pull him down.

And you've heard this analogy probably before. Tall poppy syndrome is the same thing, right? Exactly. You know that? I haven't heard that. Okay, you go ahead and then I'll share mine. Go ahead. Pull him down. Basically, it's the idea of crabs in a bucket, right? When you have crabs in a bucket, they all try to escape. But as soon as they see someone trying to escape, they just pull him down and they all end up stuck in that bucket. And and so that's something that's a cornerstone of socialism.

I wish people I wish people knew that that that's the price you pay for everyone to live in a prison and have clean sheets and get fed the same time every day and the same shit food. OK, great. We all have security now. But the price you pay is anyone who wants to get a new pillow, they're executed. They're just pulled right down. Exactly. And that is the structure that we need to break.

So when we talk about structural challenges, those are the structures that need to come down. those are the structures that need to come down. The structures that basically say, if you get out of this bucket, then somehow you're a traitor to the cause, right? That somehow if you succeed, then your success can only be celebrated as a solo, rare feat that cannot be replicated by other people. So people tell me all the time, well, just because you had it easy doesn't mean other people are going to have it easy. And that's fundamentally true, but it is also a manipulative kind of way of thinking of saying that even if you see someone succeed, you can't leverage that knowledge to your own success. That somehow they succeeded with some formula that is not replicable to you.

And that's a lie. And so when I hear people who have succeeded, you know, join on or hang on to this narrative that somehow the people behind them cannot do the same. It just disappoints me greatly. And my hope is to kind of, you know, I feel like those are the structural things that need to be changed. By the way, the tall poppy syndrome, there's a great wiki article on it, but it's basically, I think it comes from the Nordic countries that basically any flower that sticks out over the rest of the flowers, you cut it off. You keep the field level. My dad came here as an immigrant, became – worked his ass off, Alma.

Drove the forklift, worked in the liquor store, became the typical Middle Eastern guy who sold – worked at a liquor store. Came here also the same way you did he went to seminary school and then came here when he was 18 19 years old not that you went to seminary school but you came here you know um through means of uh of um institutional god and now he feels guilty his whole life he's felt guilty for his success. He feels guilty. And I wonder, is that why LeBron, Oprah, Jay-Z, Obama, they can't – do they feel guilty and so they still maintain the victim narrative why don't they just say i mean no one worked harder than lebron why can't he just say that hey guys it's totally possible i just worked hard quit being a pussy quit complaining just everyone worked hard dude nothing was given to me why can't he just why can't obama say that why can't jay-z say that why are they still they're appealing to the masses they're telling the masses that the plank is real.

Yeah. Why are they doing that? Why don't they stop? Because they feel guilty like my dad for their success? I can't purport to understand kind of the operation of their minds. However, I think this is something that I have kind of derived myself, which is the idea that there is a possibility anytime a person goes through a struggle, right.

To have that struggle become part of their identity. Of course. Yes. Yes. And once you adopt a struggle as part of your identity, then leaving that struggle behind feels like giving up your identity. Ah, right. And, and that is why people are drawn back to the struggle, even as

they, you know, you know, live in their million dollar mansion, the struggle is their identity. And so it's like, you know, if you take my Africanness out of me, then you're taking something that is significant to my existence. Right? And nobody wants to give that up. And so what I say to people, and especially to my kids, is never allow your struggles to become your identity. See your struggle as a temporary process that refines you in a lot of ways and gets you to the other side, which is where you want to be. And then leave that struggle behind. And then your goal at that point is to help people also do the same. So it's no longer your identity. Your identity is success. Your identity is transcending the things that have held you down. Your identity is overcoming,

and that is what you should embrace as your identity. And then use your struggle as a catalyst to push you towards that true identity, which is to be free, to be a free agent, to be able to control your destiny, right? But once you allow your struggle to be your identity, then it's hard to leave it behind because it feels like you're leaving

a part of yourself behind. And so that's how I approach that particular concept. It's interesting, Alma, there is this phenomenon that is very, very prevalent in black American culture and in Jewish American culture where they pull the kid aside. And they do exactly the opposite of what you told your kid. They say, hey, Ari, you're a Jew, Ari Rabinowitz, and the world hates Jews, and you're going to have to watch your back your whole life. And just remember, no one likes a Jew, and you're a Jew, and we have to stay strong together.

Don't trust anyone. Don't trust those black people. Definitely don't trust those Armenians over there. And Ari Rabinowitz, and same thing with black culture. Remember, whitey hates you. The world's out to get you. Everyone's racist. It's crazy. And I say the structures that are most determinant of a person's trajectory in life are the structures that exist in their own mind. And so when you plant that seed into the mind of a child, then what you're doing is building up these walls that many may not be able to um overcome not only that they're going to try to spend their life validating them i saw that white man cross the street he must have been racist

i saw that man uh he said i got jewed they must all say they must all think that they spend the rest of their life trying to to validate an identity it's nuts nuts. Exactly. And for me, I say this. I say, yes, there are racists in the world. Yes, there are people who are prejudiced. But I look at it as, I look at it very simply. I say, I know my worth, right? I know my worth. I know what I bring to the table.

I know that I have value. That value exists irrespective of anybody else's experience. And because of that, I can go into the world. And if someone is racist towards me, if someone doesn't hire me because of the color of my skin, if somebody decides to say something mean to me, it is their problem. It poses very little effect on me. Because once again, I live in a country with myriad opportunities. And if I don't get hired here, I would get hired there. And if I don't get hired there, I can create my own.

And so that is how I deal with that, that if there is some racist somewhere who's like, I'm not going to interact with this man because of my bigotry, that bigotry leads to their own kind of myopic existence. It creates a box around them that is a detriment to their own lives and their own souls. And that has nothing to do with me. Right. And so I will go into the world and I will smile and I will I will act as if I belong because I do. And I am not going to wait for the validation of others to determine how I feel about myself. So I think first, we have to understand our own self-worth, understand what we bring to the table. And that means that preparing ourselves to excel, that means taking education seriously and becoming competent in whatever we're doing. So that when people discriminate against you, they will be doing it against their own interests. Right. And, and that's, that's how I approach it. Wow. I like that last part. You didn't hire me, your loss.

Exactly. You will discriminate against me, against your own interests. Jeremy Eat World, as a black man raised by a black man that thinks very similar to Alma, everything he is saying is amazing. Basically, I'm saying Alma is my dad. Thank you. When you – I don't want people to get this twisted. When he says that he grew up privileged in Ghana, I would like to push back on Alma a little bit. He tells a story of his mom being sick and calling an ambulance, and it's taking 30 minutes for the ambulance to arrive. This is not a place of privilege. Africa is a very, very, very tough continent. It is, uh, it is a, it is a extremely, it is an extreme lifestyle that you can't understand unless you've been there. And

none of those places, if you haven't lived in Africa for six months, you're like missing a whole massive social experiment. You have no idea. You have no reference for reality. You've never been to India for six months. You have no reference for reality. It's nuts. Yes. And my only response to that will be that I was privileged relative to everybody else, right? Not necessarily comparing that to life in America in any way. Let me explain to you what privilege is in Africa.

Privilege in Africa is when the cobra bites your – sneaks into the kid's bedroom and bites one of the kids, you happen to have the antidote three blocks away. Where the unprivileged communities don't have the antidote and the kid dies. And if you think I'm making that shit up, I'm not. That's fucking the reality of living on that continent. A cobra will come into your bedroom and fucking get you at night. So, yeah, Africa, I would say in general, I actually don't have a lot of experience living in Africa because I've actually only lived in Ghana. And so my experience is that Africa represents extremes. Right. So you do have extreme privilege and extreme wealth. And,

and then you also have extreme poverty. But even with that wealth comes a price to pay extreme violence, extreme corruption, extreme. It's, it's not a, it is true. It is true. It's a tough kind of wealth. It's not, it's not fun and games. It is true. And Ghana has been lucky to not have been a place of kind of a lot of the civil wars and things like that. We had our fair share of military coups and so on in the you know, subsided. And so this is, I would say that I had a life, you know, my sisters, my little brother, my dad are still in Ghana. And I would say that in general, they have a life that I am not ashamed of. Right. And they're able to do a lot of good for the people. My sisters have continued my mom's schools and,

and they're working on that right now. And so I am not necessarily, I wouldn't say that I'm ashamed of anything that is happening. However, it's a mindset that I'm trying to overcome. And one of the things that happens when I go to Ghana every now and then is you get there and you see some challenge, some problem. You're like, okay, this problem should have a solution. And then you begin to propose some solutions. And the thing you hear from people is, oh, this, I mean, this is not America.

This is Ghana. This can't happen here. Like, you can't do this here. Like, you're expecting too much. This is Ghana. And you get, you hear that all the time. And it just boggles my mind. I'm like, if we can remove those shackles and say, no, this is not acceptable. I'm going to be the solution to the problems I see in the world. And I'm going to find a way to do it. And if it means teaming up with somebody from America to do that, maybe that's what I have to do. But I can't sit down and allow life to dictate what I can and cannot do. I think our purpose in this life is not to be acted upon by the elements, but to actually make a path for ourselves.

And the way we do that is to break our mental shackles and to attack things and to challenge ideas and to create a world where we are the actors that bring the change that we're looking for, rather than, you know, waiting for other people or systems to solve our problems. One of the things you would hear in Ghana a lot is, oh, I wish the government will do this. And the government needs to do this. You'll see somebody with, you know, water, this. You'll see somebody with open water pit in front of their house and mosquitoes are breeding in there. And they say, I need the government to come and take care of this. And I say, why not you? It's affecting you. The mosquitoes are biting you. You're getting malaria. Why not you fix that

problem? And why not figure out a way to turn that problem into something that you do that becomes an economic, um, boon for you. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Do you, um, how did you meet your wife? Is your, is your wife from Ghana? My wife is from Ghana as well. I met her at a, what we call a youth conference, which is basically a church conference of all the youth in our church. And that's when I met her for the first time. And I've known her since I was about, I knew of her, but I've known her since I was about 15. And when I came to the United States the first time, I asked her, I said, will you wait for me? And she said, no. She said no. So I came back after

two years of being in Los Angeles. And fortunately for me, she was not engaged. And so I was able to pop the question. And eventually we were able to get married in 2006. And two months, I think three months after we got married, she joined me. She came back with me to the U.S. Do you still have a home in Ghana? I left Ghana when I was 19 so I never built anything for myself in Ghana my parents oh my dad is still there so my dad has a home there that's where I usually stay when I go back my wife's family has a home as well and so that's sometimes we would stay

there as well but we never built anything because I left just at 19. And so everything I've ever built has been in the U.S. And we're hoping to build something there someday. So when we go back, we can have our own place. But right now, we don't have a home there yet. How old are your kids, Alma? I have a 15-year-old, a 14-year-old, a 10-year-old, and a 5-year-old who will turn 6 in November. A 14 and a 15-year-old. Yeah.

They're so close that for nine days in the year, they are the same age. Wow. So you had a baby that wasn't one and your wife's like, hey, I'm pregnant? Yes. The baby was about, I think, what, six or seven months when my wife was pregnant. That's incredible. My wife, was she still breastfeeding when she was pregnant with the other one? Yes. And that's where we were. We heard some old wife's tale that, you know, while you're breastfeeding, you're OK. Oh, you can't get pregnant. Oh, that did not work out for us. And it's turned out to be an awesome opportunity because I love my daughter to death.

She is such a great example. She's like, you know, the head of the family when mom and dad are not there. This is the 14 year old. The 14 year old. Yeah. The girls mature so much faster. I have three boys. And when they're friends, when they're with the girls, I'm like, the girls are like. We leave the boys are like animals compared to the girls yeah the boys are just completely out of control yeah my son just uh plays football he's he somehow figured out a you know a big big gene that apparently we don't have i'm five seven my son is six two and 235 pounds playing D-tackle for his high school. Have your kids been back to Ghana? They have. So I took them back the first time in 2012.

And so they were able to go there. And while I was there, I actually had a really cool experience with them where I took them back to one of the slave castles that took, that was the Torah fair for a lot of the slave trade that came from Ghana to the West. And so I took them there. We had a great experience kind of learning about that history and showing them kind of, you know, these are your roots and these are some of the history that we have to deal with and grapple with. And it was a very solemn experience.

So they enjoyed that. We've gone back two more times. We went back again this year because my mom passed away. And so we all went back and joined in the funeral and everything. But yeah, they love it over there. It's hot, but they love to meet with all their cousins and have fun over there. Are your kids in public school?

Yes. Do you have any issues with that? I'm surprised you're not homeschooling. You know, you're this fringe religious man. You should have them at home and hiding them from the world. I'm lucky. I feel like I'm lucky because I live in a state that hasn't gone off the rails as much. And so our schools have not been politicized as much as other places in the country. And so we still stand for excellence. We still say the pledge.

We still, you know, try to create a respectful environment. However, all the woke nonsense has not penetrated just yet anyway. And so our schools are pretty good here. What a great experience. Let me talk about one of your experiences you talked about, and then we'll talk back to your kids. You came to the United States. You came to Los Angeles. You were doing missionary work, which I just perceive as going door to door, um, uh, engaging people in the discussions of God. Yep. And there

was a four month period where only one, you only got into one house and yet you kept going. And there's something very interesting. You said it wasn't just necessarily your goal to get into people's house and speak to them, but that to leave an impression on them so that when they had another opportunity, you had already, let's say, greased the groove. Planted the seed. Exactly. Planted the seed. Exactly. And that's where this idea that I shared earlier of looking at everybody you're interacting with as a potential convert.

And that changes how you approach them, right? You don't go guns blazing to tell them why they're wrong, right? You look for common ground. And that's what you do when you want to help people see things your way. And so I learned a lot of that kind of human interaction from serving as a missionary, because I was not always going to get somebody to open the door. But if I were nice to them, then maybe they would open the door for the next person that comes after me. Right. You know, three years later, I met people who said, hey, I had, you know, had missionaries come over to my house many, many times.

I never opened the door. 25 years later, I decided to convert to Christianity or I decided to join the church or whatever. But it took 25 years. But if they kept having 25 years of bad experiences with people who berated them and insulted them and told them they were wrong, you are most certainly never going to have that, you know, conversion at the end. as fellow, you know, parishioners in my church. And I need to treat them such that I can not be ashamed to sit next to them when they're ready to come in. There's no part of me... The Defender 110 is up for the adventure. This iconic, award-winning vehicle has been redefined with a distinctive, modern design.

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They want to throw a temper tantrum. They want to throw a stone. You know, I've told the story many times, but I lent a friend several thousand dollars and they didn't pay me back. And my other friends are like, are you not going to be his friend? And I said, no, our friendship isn't contingent on that. I won't lend him money again. I won't be afraid to talk about it and tell the truth. Yo, Omar, are you going to pay me that money or what, dude? But I'm still going to go have lunch with him. I'm still going to play Frisbee with him. I'm still going to be nice to his kids. I'm still going to,

there's never a reason. I think mother Teresa said it. Don't be nice to people because they're nice to you. Be nice to people because you're a nice person. And the same way it goes, don't be mean to someone So you played or you read a little clip where I said that you should not allow other people to dictate your limitations the same way you don't adopt other people's grievances. Right. And a lot of times you people are adopting other people's grievances. So they say, hey, you don't like this person. And I don't like this person either because I like you. And if you don't like that person, I don't like that person either. And I say, I don't hate anybody, but if I ever choose to dislike somebody, I'm going to do it on my own terms. Yeah. There's, there's this, uh, and it's done under the guise of loyalty. I know. Yeah. I know.

And so one thing that I do is a thought experiment that I ask people to do every now and then. I say to them, if you think you don't like somebody and you don't want to be around them, imagine they were in a car accident. Does that change anything? Yeah, it does. Right? I You'd want to run over and help my enemy if they were in an accident. Exactly. Do you say that, well, I hate this guy so much that, you know, if he is dying on the street from a car accident, I am just going to walk away and I'm going to be glad he's dead. Like, is that how you're going to feel? Now, if you feel that way, I hope personally that I never, ever experienced that kind of hatred for somebody. And you saw a little bit of that when the queen died in England.

You saw some people come out of the woodwork and make certain incendiary statements. Like they were happy she's dead? Exactly. Like they were happy she's dead. Exactly. Someone went as far as saying before her death was announced, one professor actually went and said that she should have a cruel and painful death or something to that effect. Wow. Wow. And I was like, there has to be something wrong in your own heart for you to produce that kind of venom.

Right. Because that venom has to be produced somewhere in the chambers of your heart. And so there has to be something wrong. This is not something that is acquired on the street. There has to be something fundamentally wrong to feel that way because human nature is not that way. Human nature is such that we feel empathy naturally towards people who we don't even know. That's human nature. We feel empathy when we see other people suffering. And so in order to kill that part of yourself, you literally have to affirmatively go through a process that kills it inside of you. And this is a phenomenon we say you're past feeling.

You've gone to a point where you're past feeling. You've reached a point where, you know, you're no longer exhibiting the natural tendencies of human beings. And so it's unfortunate that such people exist. I try not to engage them. And yesterday I had a friend on TikTok send me a video and the caption to the video is, you cannot be a true Christian and be MAGA. And I'm like, I'm not even going to engage. I just, I'm not going to engage. I'm not even going to listen to this because it is one of those things where I'm like, the premise is so loaded.

The premise is so loaded. You have to unpack so much. Why can't you make America great again? It's already the baggage they're bringing to that. Exactly. And my friend was like, why wouldn't you engage? And I said, I like my sanity. I like my sanity. And it seems like there are people out there who want to throw out these kind of outrageous and outlandish claims and ideas. And actually this morning, I wrote something that I'm going to post later on, but I will share it with you really quickly. So I said, bad ideas are like weeds that grow where they're not wanted and thrive where they're ignored. They make their way in the stealth of night and choke and stall everything that's right. And we must stand together to defeat these bad ideas, right? People, there's a proliferation of bad ideas out there.

And there's this kind of sense that we need to tolerate everything. And yeah, there are things that are bad and we need to call them out. And so when I hear things like that, I try as much as possible. I am respectful as much as I can, but I sometimes choose not to engage. There was another quote that my dad used to say all the time. It's like, sometimes the best answer for a fool is silence. To engage someone like that would be if you and I were to argue whether Bigfoot had hair or fur. Exactly. And then we would lose our friendship over because you said he

had fur and i said he had hair exactly completely about an imaginary character i mean it's it's there becomes a and i appreciate you saying you want to keep your sanity in one of your interviews you said that um we shouldn't call other people um evil and um i am a huge believer in that. I don't believe in evil the way I hear the word used. I think evil is a lazy word. I think people use that word when they're unable to understand something and they want to point at it. And you even went as far as to say, we shouldn't make these caricatures of groups of people and then lump them as evil exactly tell me about that that's a little weird for me to hear you say that because i i feel like it's my christian friends who who most enjoy that word so yes um in saying that i am not denying

the fact that evil exists okay right and and so the reason i say we shouldn't create caricatures of people and put them in these groups and then paint that entire group as a certain way, the reason I say that is because I can go into almost any group I believe, almost any group, and find things that I can agree on with somebody. And I always start from the home. I say, does this person love their kids? I do. I love my kids. Does this person want their kids to come home safely from school? I do. I probably believe they do as well. And suddenly that begins to humanize that person. Right. Irrespective of anything else they have done, that begins to humanize them. Okay. Even evil people.

Even evil people. They want their kids to come home safely. Exactly. But then where the distinction begins is how does that person interact with me and do they mean me any harm? Right. And that's where that distinction begins to kind of make itself apparent. I will move myself away from someone is if they either intend or are telegraphing or have shown in the past that they will do me harm. Right. And so and that, for the most part, doesn't apply in a lot of situations. Of course, there are crazy people out there. We need to beware of those people and we need to defend ourselves against those people in every legal way that we can. However, 99%, I believe, of all our interactions are going to be with people who are not meaning to harm us physically. And so in that sense, then we have a disagreement.

We have a disagreement on something, some policy. Maybe they believe socialism is the way to go. And I believe something. They put old people, you should never quarantine the healthy. And that policy was ignored and they quarantined healthy and tens of thousands of elderly people died. The question, I guess, is mens rea, right? I wouldn't call those people evil, but they did it on purpose. But I don't know if they killed the people on purpose,

but the idea, they did it with the goal in mind of helping these people, I think. And that's where a distinction lies. And that's something that in political conversation, we need to be very aware of is the idea that good intentions are not by themselves, the justification for their existence. Right. And sometimes people judge good intentions as the results. So they look at it and say, well, I intended to do this thing. And therefore, you should cheer me on based on my intentions, not necessarily based on the actual results that happened. Right. And so you hear I look, for instance, I say, OK, all these government programs on poverty reduction programs spend trillions of dollars over 30 years, and you barely make a dent in that. But then people say, well, what would you have done otherwise? You know, we had good intentions. And so we should be applauded for those intentions. And I say, but what were the results? People are more dependent, people are, you know, less likely to, to be able to

pick themselves up and get things done in their own lives. Baltimore, San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles. They did the same shit for 40 years and all they did was make more poor people and more drug addicts. Exactly. And so good intentions are not to be a substitute for the actual results that they engender. And so, and that's usually, I would say, one of the biggest divides that I see in politics in America is that you have Santa Claus on one side, right? And it's very, very hard, I think, to run against Santa Claus, no matter what. You are already in a losing position.

Oh, meaning, meaning, sorry to be so blatant, but meaning the Democrats will, we'll just print more money and bring more money to you. That's part of it. We're just going to shower you with free needles and free this. And, and. Exactly. It's this idea that you can get things for free and there is this abundance of stuff that we can give you. But the funny thing is they don't actually have to deliver on those promises because the promise is convincing. Oh, that's their intention. The promise is sufficiently convincing. It is always better than, let's say, the conservative side that says hey pull yourself up

go to work take care of your family take responsibility for your own life and the government will do much less for you than you want yes you know that's the true kind of conservative um stance and that doesn't seem so appealing no it doesn't seem so appealing and it's much easier to tell people you know know, pay us, you know, these taxes. We'll take the taxes, not from you. We'll take it from these, you know, nefarious rich people over there. And then we will take them and give them to you. And we'll give you all these, you know, things that you can have for free. For instance, do you know any rich people? And I know you do. I've heard your stories. Are any of them nefarious?

Many of them have helped me. I mean, in starting my own business… I don't know one bad rich person. Every rich person I know is the most generous person I know. They're so… And why are they generous? Because they're fucking rich. I mean, I can't speak for everybody. However, I've had good experiences with people who have wealth because at the end of the day, there's not much you can buy beyond your basic needs. Like once you have gotten everything and every material thing you want, you realize that there's no joy to be had in just hoarding money. You realize that there's no joy to be had in just hoarding money. And you realize that the joy is in leveraging those resources to change other people's lives. And that's what brings you joy in seeing other people do great things. And so I want to be that guy in the future who is, you know, pushing and helping other people reach their goals. And I think in our political climate, being the guy in the room that is going to say, sorry, you know, I get that you've gone through a hard time, but hey, suck it up and move on. And let's move to the next chapter and let's overcome the next hill. Like that is the kind of message we need. But you have a lot of people who are willing to say,

no, you don't need that. You need a universal basic income. You need, you know, all your needs met. You have a right to housing. You have a right to, you know, everything that you need to thrive in life. And that has to be provided not by you, but by some taxation on some people. By the prison warden, by the plantation owner. Exactly. That's what happens. You don't have to build a prison on purpose or build a slave plantation on purpose. You can do it accidentally. I don't think people realize that. The road to that plantation is paved with good intentions. Yeah. Yeah. Well, right. And so yesterday the president said something that I caught. I don't know if anybody caught this, but I caught this where he said that this November climate change

is on the ballot and the, the, the, the world or the survival of our planet is on the ballot. And then the question I asked myself was, I thought they said they just passed historic funding for climate change and they were going to solve all the problems with that money. So how come that is on the ballot now? I thought we've solved it. We allocated the money. And so shouldn't that be solved? They said the same thing of Obamacare. They said, once we pass this thing, all these healthcare problems, all these insurance problems will be gone. I'm like, I thought we solved that problem when you passed this bill. Right. And so is this promise, constant promise and promise and promise. And we keep falling for these promises and they don't actually deliver any solutions. to believe that maybe next time they will actually fulfill that promise versus relegating and understanding yourself that I have to start getting up myself and I have to be the catalyst to the change that I want to see in my own life. You make this video, you address it to the president of the United States. You very gently and powerfully explained to him that um

alienating half the country is not what you would like to see it's not why you came here it's not how you value being an american that you would like that it wasn't it wasn't cool what he did um and then you send it to him and i ask you this and a lot of people have asked you do you think he saw it but i don't i don't see him as a is a i see something wrong with him when i see him like like all the all the stuff that the right wing is putting out where they show him like shaking hands with the air i don't believe any of that to be honest i i imagine that there's someone off camera going to shake hands with him i always picture that there's something we can't see it's not that stuff i'm talking about it's not but it's the it's some other things it's the stumbling on words

it's the getting lost while he's speaking continuously it's the um the way he moves his body moves something does not seem right to me and i i don't even think he i think that i don't even think he can see it i don't think he i think something i think our president is so far gone it's it's that it's scary it's scary even to think about how far gone he is and to try to figure out who's actually running the country right yeah for me the comparison is capable of seeing your video his mental capacity sorry to put you on the spot no this is this is how i'm gonna put it so um my comparison is this in in the you know 20s and 30s i think in the 30s and 40s we had fdr um and this was a time when we didn't have the

kind of technology we have today. And so people did not know, even Woodrow Wilson, same thing, he, towards the end of his presidency, was completely incapable of running the country. Even Reagan, something was wrong with Reagan too. Something Something was wrong with Reagan. So at the end of that, and the thing I keep telling myself is in the 1930s and 20s and 40s, we didn't have the technology to disseminate everything that was happening in the White House. And so people, you know, would get the news and they would hear things on radio and so on. And they had to kind of imagine what was going on because they didn't always see it. And so and I'm like, so it was very easy in those days to hide the idea that the president does something wrong with the president.

Right. And and I'm like, has it become any easier? Because it doesn't seem so to me. I feel like the same thing. It's so much easier, even with all the technology we have today, that somehow we don't know for sure if the president is okay. Because a narrative has been created and, and this kind of shield has been created. So my only concern is when the president says things like,

I'm not allowed to do this. I'm not allowed to ask questions or I'm not allowed to say this. Right. And that's where my concern comes in. I said, who is not allowing you to say this? You know, I always take that as tongue in cheek-cheek like he's being cute

like how and maybe that's not the place for the president but it would be like if you know one of my friends says to me oh if i say hey can you come out he goes let me ask the old lady like he's asking his wife in i'll say in one case i could be wrong maybe two cases i'll say okay but when it becomes like a pattern where you see that he's constantly saying and maybe looking to his side and saying I'm not allowed to say this or I shouldn't say this. And I'm like, you are the president of the United States. To hold this position where you should be able to tell us what you're thinking and not be concerned about somebody off screen who is telling you what to say or not to say. And who is telling you who to call on and who not to call on from the media. And so that's where my concern lies.

At the end of the day, I think what we need to do is show up at the polls. That's the most important thing. Some people who have commented on my videos have said, hey, we've been fighting and we don't know if anything is going to change. And I'm like, show up at the polls. Show up in such numbers that you can't be ignored. And I know people say, hey, we showed up in 2020 and still, you know, the results didn't go our way. And I get that, but that's not an opportunity for despair. Like not showing up doesn't solve anything. It just entrenches the things that you don't like even further deeper in the ground. And so my advice to people is just show up,

prove those posters wrong. Prove those people who yesterday Michael Moore was talking about some blue wave coming up. I'm like, OK, I don't know, but we just have to show up. For me, it means a lot because this will be the very first time I get the chance to vote. I've never voted anywhere in my life. And this will be my first opportunity to do so. And when I hear people, you know, saying, hey, I'm not, you know, voter enthusiasm is low, that just kind of like, it's a dagger in my heart, because I say, you have a place where your vote could actually mean something, especially when you go to congressional races and you go to,

you talk about school board elections and state offices and things like that. That is where the rubber meets the road. And if you're not willing to participate in that, then what right do you have to wish that the country changes, right? If you're not willing to do that basic thing. If you're not willing to do that basic thing. When Gavin Newsom was being put up for recall, he said that anyone who't want to be a bigot, racist, or misogynist. I just – does that really work on people? What's he trying to – and we saw Biden basically do the same thing, right? And that's why you addressed him.

We saw him say something that's not true to be divisive. By the way, yesterday, I don't know if you saw, but yesterday he said that the, um, in 41 States, the price of gas is less than $2. And so they're just openly lying now, but, Oh, so, so sorry. I'm opening up so many doors. Let's look at that. For example, like, I don't think he, that's what makes me think he's, um, insane. I don't think he even thinks about what he's reading. I think they just say, say this, and he says it. Yeah. So yes, I do not believe that saying half the country is potential terrorists or extremists and people who are – The entire country is potential terrorists.

Let's be clear, if you can do third grade math, the entire country, the entire planet is potential terrorists. The way they say shit is just so idiotic. I know. And so I don't think it adds any new votes or changes other people's votes. However, I think there were, even on my video, there were people who called themselves Republicans who started kind of sorting themselves out based on that characterization. They kept saying, oh, if you're a true Republican, then you're not a MAGA Republican. And so based on the parameters that have been set by the president and the media and pundits, people are beginning to separate themselves. And so what they have done is not to necessarily switch votes, but if they can create the idea that, like the president said, the MAGA Republicans have taken over the party, then you have these moderate, potentially Republicans who have separated themselves from this nefarious label who may say, well, I can't vote Democrat, but I'm not going to, I've lined myself with the MAGA Republicans, and so I'm not going to show up.

And so I'm not going to show up. Right. So they didn't convert any new voters to their side, but they could potentially, you know, dissuade people who would normally vote Republican by creating this caricature. I have never wear a MAGA hat because I wouldn't want to deal with the social pressure. Exactly. I have a friend who voted for even disaffected Democrats who realize that, you know, things need to change, but they can't bring themselves to vote Republican because of that caricature that has been created. Can we start something new? Closet MAGA, Closet MAGA. It's C-M-A-G-A. C-M-A-G-A. And we wear our Closet MAGA gear. Seriously. Exactly. And I hope, I mean, I think it is in our hands to make the change. But I hope people show up and actually make their voices heard. C-M-A-G-A plus. Cl, closet MAGA plus. Oh, I like it.

Yeah. So it's up to us to make those changes that we want to see. And if we, if we don't do that, then we will get what we deserve. We will end up getting what we deserve. And for me personally, it's a little bit tragic to be the person who came here with all these dreams and so on. And the good thing is I will thrive irrespective of who is in the White House. I will make a way for myself. I didn't come 8,500 miles to be mediocre. Right. Right. And so I am going to thrive. However, I feel for the people who are left with little hope. I have a little, a few friends who say, I don't think anything's going to change. It's not. And they're kind of in this state of despair. Right. And I hope that, and what I call myself now is I'm a cheerleader for America. I want to be the guy who leads that pep rally, who says, it is okay to be proud, to be American.

I want to wake up in the morning and feel that sense of excitement that I'm privileged to be born here or to have become an American citizen, and that I can make the changes necessary in my life to lead my life where I wanted to go. And I don't necessarily need the government to give me permission to do so. Right. This is a country where cup stacking can be a thing. Right. Think about that. It's actually pretty incredible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Think about that and tell me you don't have opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. And so I say, I do not suffer mediocrity. I teach that to my kids and I hope that others will not kind of acquiesce to this malaise that we're having in a country and they can wake up and say, I will, I will choose something different

today. And whether it's in my own personal life or in the way I vote, I will choose something different because something different is worth trying because what we have right now, it's not working. You demand. Hey, I, I, man. Hey, my mom always tells me that people should come onto my podcast and I should treat them like they're in my living room. Even if I don't like them, I should be nice to them because they're in my house and they're my guest. But someone like you, man, it's so easy to be nice to you. You're so cool. Thanks for coming on with me and letting me dig around in your brain. You're always welcome on the show. Congratulations on the new podcast. I see you got the microphone.

I'm getting ready. I'm getting all the studio ready. So I need to figure out the lighting a little bit, but I, yeah, I'm hoping that I can share my message, which I have trademarked actually, Willful Positivity, to kind of change the tone of our conversations in the country. And I hope I can contribute to that. And later this year, I'm actually trying to finish my memoir here. And so I'll hope to be able to come back when the book is released so I can tell people about it. But basically, I go through my experience growing up in Africa, in Ghana, all the way through my becoming an American citizen, all the way to my very first vote in November. And so the entire story and then what my plans are for the future. Are you going to have an audio book?

I, if there's demand for it. Yes. I would definitely do that. Anything, if you ever want to come back on, anything you want to talk about, you release the book, you want to talk about your podcast. I would love to have you on. I mean, you're the kind of gentleman we could talk about all sorts of subjects, schooling, raising kids, what the best thing to eat is right before you go to bed. I'll do it from the superficial to the deep with you, God, anything you want, brother. That sounds great. Thank you so much for the opportunity and thank all the listeners and

the comments that have been coming through. Thank you so much for having me. And I hope you can find me wherever you do your social media i am there and i hope to to interact with you soon great and alma you have my phone number i sent it to you in the email okay um you can text me anytime i don't sleep by my phone you can text uh anytime all right awesome thank you so much all right brother ciao all right bye yes so stoked great show god i um uh yesterday the first 40 minutes with scott i was just a mess i had like seven pages of notes i didn't know where i wanted to start i didn't know how to handle the conversation i was fucking a train wreck and then it got I thought it got good after that.

I feel like I should have Scott on again, but, um, uh, that I love that show. I just had a blast with that dude right there. Dude's dope. Um,

I have said, and I think that, I don't know if this is true. I just say this. People say, hey, why did you get kicked off of Instagram? Why did you lose your blue checkmark account? And I think I would say that the reason why I lost the blue checkmark account is because it would sum up in a nutshell. It would say this.

Hey, Travis, please don't do anything to encourage Colin Lawrence's alter ego Jeff Baco to continue that dumb shit. Please just act like he doesn't – just hit the reset button on anything he says. Don't validate him. Okay, where was I? I would say to people, just show me one healthy person. Just show me one healthy person who's died from COVID. And I think that that sums up why I was kicked off of Instagram. Maybe it wasn't that exact thing, but just show me one. And of course, which is fascinating, the same two people that were proposed to me over and

over were just the same two people over and over and over and over for two years and we to be honest we could never tell if they were healthy or not there wasn't enough information on them but everyone else the other fucking millions of people it was very clear that they were unhealthy so even if i lost that i'm cool with it that you guys were able there was a 15 year old boy out of new york and then there was one other cat uh a gay uh broadway star musical which other people had then later told me that they knew him and he had a really bad uh coke habit and if you have a really bad coke habit you probably have a really bad vape habit too vaping habit but um which would mean that you're very susceptible to covet okay so uh i told you that for two years just show me one healthy now one healthy person who's died from now i want to share something else with you

i want i bet you that there isn't one doctor out there, not one, who wouldn't acknowledge that more healthy people have died from the vaccine than healthy people have died from COVID. I'm going to say that to you one more time. I bet you can't find one doctor who wouldn't agree with this statement. More healthy people have died from the vaccine than have died from COVID. And what do I mean by healthy? I mean this percentage of the population that doesn't eat processed foods or added sugar. Let's just say added sugar. You cannot, even the fucked up brainwashed doctors know that's true now.

Family and friends are coming out of the woodwork now being like, holy shit, you were right. Dude, I wasn't right. Third grade math was right. You have to know two ideas. You need to know simple arithmetic, adding and subtracting. And then you need to be able to do – you need to understand that um age is just a correlate um you i still didn't know anything but i could be like for sure keep an open mind be like well i don't know if getting old is how susceptible that makes you babe i hear the alexa alarm going off so here's the two things you can't show me a healthy person who's died from covid and now we have more healthy people so who's the selfish ones now

healthy people have died from taking the vaccine to save who to save who? To save who? I'm pretty close-minded about the topic of people who – I don't agree with what Scott Scher was saying yesterday, that people didn't have a choice. He's arguing people's limitations for them, something that Alma said that you shouldn't do. I agree you shouldn't do it. He said that people didn't know they were duped. They didn't have the information.

This is a common one that a lot of my friends say, oh, but we all thought. No, we all didn't think. Even my wife will say that to me sometimes. Well, in the beginning, you were scared too. No, I wasn't. You got me confused with some other dude with a fucking CEO shirt on. And I'm not saying that it's not okay, that it wasn't okay to be scared. I'm not suggesting that.

I'm just saying at some point, you became an accomplice. that i'm just saying at some point you became an accomplice being an accomplice to killing people because of your choices like blatantly like not like 35 degrees of separation not like the same way i bought this iphone and i'm probably an accomplice to uh i'm probably an accomplice to killing some people. Oh, yeah. Felix Shumsky. Thank you for sharing this, by the way.

Unfortunately, I did three vaccines and got sick with heart muscle inflammation, and no doctor will admit it. It was because of the vaccine. it was because of the vaccine. If I saw that Emily Rolfe was on the Cocktails podcast with the

Make Wads Great Again guy and Nikki Brazier. And it was Emily Rolfe and Dr. Sean Rocket. And I didn't listen to the whole thing. I listened to like 15 minutes of it. And they were talking. And so I apologize if I'm mischaracterizing it.

But they were talking about what happened to her. And what I. Even if they're 100% right. There's so many people being injured by the vaccine right now. And there's so many doctors coming out about it. The fact that I didn't hear it brought up in those 15 minutes as a possible cause just means that like nothing else you said was nothing else you said was valid.

Maybe they did. Maybe they did mention it later. Maybe, I mean, I kept hoping they'd be like, and that wackadoodle seven thinks it's because of the vaccine. I don't want to smash that podcast, but I've listened to it three times now because people who are on my show were on that show and I had to go there and listen to it. I don't even know if horrible does it justice.

It is unique in its ability to talk about what your favorite meatballs are. I mean, it is a trip. I don't think it's good for your brand to go on there. Anyway, I'm going to start a war with that guy. He's got 375,000 followers. I have 4,622. When I talk this low, can you guys hear me?

Even when they did with Vellner was bad. Well, you keep going back there and listening how's that uh great question uh felix did you get better no yeah that one uh sorry felix did you get better or did you still do you still have it i think what happens oh here we go uh felix the way, one nurse told me because I'm only 34, no here history is probably because of the – because I'm only – no something history. That's a typo, I think. No previous history is probably – yeah, yeah, of course, yeah. You know why? Yeah, because she's seen a shitload.

I'm very late today. Was today's good? I'm a couple, I'm behind a couple of good episodes. Need to catch up. Was today's good? Is there, are there such thing as bad boobs? Think of this show as just boobs. They're all good

today's show good I'd fucking come over there to Ireland and Scotland or wherever wherever you are Mr. Clive alright today is All right. Today is Tuesday.

Kids are doing jiu-jitsu in our jiu-jitsu room right now with the instructor. Oh, no, he doesn't come till 915. Oh, shit. What am I going to do for the next two hours of my life? Not a good guess. Oh, I should see who's coming on tomorrow. Maybe I'll do that. Plug that for a second.

I do think I need to have a MAGA shirt that's like not a MAGA shirt, but like everyone knows the MAGA shirt. It's like just for insecure MAGA people like me. The 20. Oh, shit. Okay. So tomorrow I have an 20... Oh, shit. Okay. So tomorrow I have an affiliate show at 7 a.m. with Rob Best. I don't even know what the name of his affiliate is.

I'm such a jackass. Well, I have to do research on him. And then at 11 a.m. I have... At 11 a.m. I have Aljo on, Aljamain Sterling. That's so cool. Let me see if – let me come on for a second. I have a question for you aljermaine sterling is fighting uh i think it's ufc2 does anyone know it's uh um it's uh ufc

ufc Oh, you know what? I'm going to play this too. I'm going to play this too. I meant to, this, this really sums up what I, what I've been trying to say for so long about like, you can't just look at people by the color of their skin and figure out anything about them. Like when they say black people, this or white people, this, this is it right here. Let me see if I can. This is from alma's instagram also check this out this is pretty good race in a very different way i didn't grow up

thinking or being told that because of the color of my skin by default i'm somewhat oppressed and i need to look at anyone who is white as my oppressor or my victimizer. And I am the victim. It's just not the way that I was raised culturally. It just isn't. So I feel as though in the present day, I'm being forced to step into a racial conversation that doesn't align with my actual so-called lived experience, right? And I have a lot of questions about it. And I think that's the most inconvenient part because you're not allowed to say,

hey, but I was born and raised in Zimbabwe and my experience of my race is very different. And I actually don't see myself as oppressed. It's not even... See how that works? It's the exact – that plank, that Oculus plank analogy he gave was fantastic, wasn't it, that Alma gave? Wow. And that's basically what she was saying.

How can she see herself like that? She wasn't raised like that. Stop doing that, Jews and blacks of America. Stop raising your kid with these fucking poisoning their minds. Oh, here he is. Dude. Hello? Hello?

Hey. Hi. Don't fuck with me. I do what I want, son. God, can I say something to you that's just way off topic? Yeah. You look really handsome right now. Thanks.

I get that all the time. I like the facial hair. Thank you. Yeah. Are you coming on for Aljo tomorrow? Huh? I didn't even know. I only sent you 10 messages.

God, I hate dealing with famous people like you. You're so fucking hard to wrangle. Tomorrow, motherfucker. It ain't got nothing to do with fame. Dude, my ADD's so bad. You probably sent that text when I was in outer space, man. Let me think. 11 a.m. Pacific Standard Time tomorrow.

On my schedule, it says, Aljamain Sterling with Darian Weeks and Justin Nunley. Tomorrow? Tomorrow. Tomorrow, brother. Right after, right after we get the hay off the trucks, we're going to come and, uh, and talk to Aljo. Have some Kool-Aid. Only, only if you pull up my latest video that I just posted.

Yeah, I'm going to pull it up right now pull it up I usually pull it out alright Pee Wee Herman you're quick is it on oh it's with Kevin Hart yeah okay here we go here Okay, here we go.

Here we go. Here we go. What the fuck is wrong with Darian? How come he's not on here? I gave you guys 30 seconds notice. Okay, here we go. This is from Justin Danger Nunley on Instagram. He's also on TikTok. And here we go.

Instagram. He's also on tick tick cock. And here we go. Got to do is flip the thing around and just press his button. Sorry to cut you short, Kevin. Listen, did you know that the world's tallest people are located in the Netherlands and the average height for males is just under six feet tall? Now you do. Take two. All you got to do is flip the thing around and just press this button. Sorry to cut you short, Kevin. Listen, did you know that the world's tallest people are located in the Netherlands and the average height for males is just under six feet tall? Now you do.

Hey, I would have thought I was taller than that. No. Hey, you look really good. What are you doing? Are you working out or something? Even in this video, you look good. Or you're letting your hair show more, I think. Why are you up?

Well, I mean, dude, I got a good hairline. I know. Why are you buttering me up right now? I already said I'd come on. All right, fine. You look like ass. Thanks. That's more like it.

Okay. Well, thanks for coming on want i was just so excited when i saw aljo's coming on tomorrow that i had to send you and darian a link i was like holy shit it's gonna be so fun tomorrow it's gonna be chaos aljo huh i think i think he's got tj's number i think i i believe i believe in aljo now he's the real deal after the second do you do you want me to like do you want me to come on and like do my normal thing or do you want me to be serious no i don't care like can i can i roast aljo yes roast the fuck out of him i'd love to see you guys go to war that'd be awesome like he don't want the smoke i know that for a fact well if what

was that sound was that you yeah uh was that your cell phone dude i'm i'm so manly that like i just be walking in the old spice theme place i don't think i don't't want to step on your creativity. I don't think you should rip on him for his fighting career. Oh, I wouldn't do that. Yeah, okay. But everything else, like his hair or his cock size, I think all that shit's fair game. No, no, no. I wouldn't, no, because that's just disrespectful to insult a man's trade. But insulting his male pattern baldness?

I'll go after that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you should take some shots at Darian's career, too, while you're there. No, I'm good. Dude, I'm going to give it a few weeks. That was a rough fight. That's a rough fight, and I love Darian to death. You know what?

Hey, and just for everybody in the chat, Darian still ain't sent me his fucking address. Oh, so you couldn't send him the 12-pack and Addy Ice, you promised him. Bush, baby. Hey, this right here is a Bush household. Hey, so you're still working. Your studio is even getting fancier. Right. Look, whatever I send him is it's gonna be my own label though

you know oh wow i like it yes hey that green screen is brilliant right there so that thing just retracts up and exposes the doorway but if it's down it's like tells your kids and your wife stay the fuck out yeah don't don't be fucking with daddy daddy yeah picasso's at work yeah me hey you know me making bread and crystal making bread's two different things when when i do it we get we get a lot of money when she does it we can't have sex ouch it was the yeast infection joke. Ouch. Ouch. Hey, those are your text messages pouring in. You see, this is why. Like, I should just sit on here with you and just keep everything off silent.

Like, dude, I can't keep up. Hold on. Let me show you something. Yeah. Hey, we should be sending them links and just having them come into the show. Let me make sure I'm not fixing. Dude, like, look. So I like I literally can't. Oh, geez.

I can't keep up, man. Like I've got 140 text messages since like two days ago. Like, I can't do this, man. You've been working on them all morning. I've got 50 missed calls i just don't even try anymore i want to see if i'm more popular than you no no i met 36 text messages while i was on this show heidi said i like how justin tries out his trash jokes on here. On the peons.

On the peons. All right. Well, thank you. So tomorrow, 11 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. What time is that for you? What time is it right now there for you? Is it 10.52? Yeah.

Yeah, 10.52. So you're two hours yeah ahead of me yeah even though i'm in florida i said that that really throws a lot because people find out i'm in florida and everybody just assumes i'm eastern and it has caused a lot of like scheduling conflicts because people just assume i'm eastern i'm like no yeah yeah i was just tripping just now when i said it i was like am i an idiot why isn't he three hours yeah no like right before you get into tallahassee right that's when it changes over to eastern but like where we're at like this is the redneck riviera we call it la lower alabama baby right you mess with me you mess with the whole damn trailer park fair so this is not like florida this is like alabama

with with some nice beaches and rich people alabama hey you know who i just had on just right before you who knew that guy alma is his shit's blowing up on tiktok he made he did the letter to joe biden about maga he has the politics stuff don't don't pop on my page anymore okay let's look at this real quick uh where's florida it's over here somewhere wait where's what are you doing you're up there in maine okay so you're over here you're over here like in pensacola no i'm in between pensacola and just zoom in zoom all the way in i'll show you where i'm at you're by cuba no do i look cuban yes uh destin doesn't say destin or fort walton beach oh i saw destin somewhere no you're way too far dog like you you you're fucking up right now what are you doing zoom in hold on oh i see destin i see destin there's destin

yeah right there see it that's where you live man that's where i'd be staying that's a good ass life no no it's not no it's not because um like during the winter months it is but like during summer months it's like just constant flows of traffic. And there's two types of drivers in Florida, those on legal drugs and those on illegal drugs, right? Oh, oh. Yeah, you better have a lot of patience and a dash cam if you live in Florida. Look at this fucking map down here. What a fucking mess the border is.

Hey, but do you go to the beach a lot? There must be a lot of hot chicks in bathing suits rolling around yes yes so blake so my my nine-year-old we just found out yesterday like so he's just like me right personality wise he like funny as shit and gay gay and funny as shit right exactly you know um just like monkey pogs baby um he understands comedic timing and everything right and we just found out your state that like he's gifted like dude's like very high IQ you know he's only nine right so whatever the fuck that means going on down the road I don't know know. But yeah, he. When he was about a year younger, like he's always been obsessed with boobs, like, you know, and we go to the beach and he'd be like, Daddy, healthy, healthy, healthy obsession. She got some big ones. And I'm like, dog, shut up. Your mom's right there. I'm wearing sunglasses for a reason. Shut up. shut up your mom's right there i'm wearing sunglasses for a reason shut up i'm telling you he's he's fucking wild i've heard my uh sons as we drive down the street and there'd

be a girl in a bikini and i've heard one of my sons uh on multiple occasions say titties titties that's what he says i wasn't gonna throw it all out there but yeah he's just like daddy she got some big old titties i'm like bro you got he let my kid learn that shit from my wife my wife's all horrible she's all over she just can't stop looking at tits really no it's all my fault hey how'd the show go friday i thought our show did the one the arch oh oh oh the one where you were in the car yeah like you said uh feedback i had airpods in i don't know why you was hearing feedback it was it was it was it was good enough i was happy it was good enough i mean i i always get a little depressed when it's not the three of us um but it was good it was good better than i

thought they always end up being better than i thought especially since we didn't have a lot of ufc stuff to talk about but but i think that that's good and you know what's crazy my executive i i wanted to pull out of the show i didn't want to do the show and suza says no dude the producer's like friday needs to be you and nunley and darian regardless like and you need to start getting comfortable with that and and and start making that its own thing. And he was right. I'm glad I did that.

He was totally right. The show, like, you would have had more UFC content had Darian, like, actually did well in the spot, you know? But it is what it is. Damn. That was harsh. You know what? I sit here and talk shit.

I ain't got the balls to get in that ring. I'll get that back to in that ring. All right. So I'll see you tomorrow. We have two shows this week, Wednesday and Friday. Yeah. You know what I've been trying to do, right? What? Like ever since like the first time that you started trying to like push me on out, like I'm trying to prolong this conversation and just see how long I can keep you on this show. Dude, I have to pee so bad. I'm like, I know. I know that.

That's like you. As soon as this show's over, you're like up and pee. And like, you got to you got the bladder the size of a peanut. I want to tell you something. It's super duper duper top secret. And I don't want anyone to hear. Well, there's a lot of people in here, ain't it? Just lean in really close.

OK, come on later buh-bye all right guys show's over love you guys see you tomorrow buh-bye