The Sevan Podcast - #699 - Tanner Shuck

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

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Look for new value programs when you shop at Loblaws, in-store and online. Conditions may apply. See in-store for details. Bam, bam, we're live. I take 100% responsibility for the naming of the show, even though I didn't name it. And I could give two shits if you're Natty or not, but I also think you are Natty. I just saw the title yeah no i just someone on my team named it i'm like wait what yeah no that's uh that's i laughed when i saw it i i laughed i i uh someone on my team is um is is a better marketer than i am i guess that's all right man that's good but i do believe you are if someone had to ask me um to bet two inches of my

penis whether you were natty or not, I would go with Natty. All right. Well, I guarantee you still have that two inches after that. Thank you. You know why I think you are, Natty, just from the aesthetic point of view? It's always those guys who start doing steroids. I feel like they start getting these trippy capsules on their shoulder. Not trippy.

They're cool. Delts. Yeah, just really pronounced deltoids. I know exactly what you're saying. That's what these are? These things on their shoulder. Not trippy, they're cool. Yeah. Just really, yeah. Really pronounced deltoids. I know. That's what these are. These things on the. That's correct. Yeah. And I always had nice shoulders, but mine never did that thing where it looks like I'm wearing shoulder pads. It's well, I mean, again, a lot of it's genetic. Like me, I just, I'm not a guy that's ever had

big delts. Like that's not a strong body part for me. But I mean, if you looked at me, I've looked the same way for probably the past 10 or 15 years. I've always, you know, been around 200, one night fluctuated between one 95 and two Oh five pounds. I've always been pretty lean and in shape, but I've, I've always been training. And I mean, the, the weights I lift are nothing, nothing incredible. So they are incredible. Yeah. Well, well, yeah, I would say that, man. But first off, I'd like to thank you for having me on your podcast, man. It's an honor to be here. And I genuinely appreciate it. Oh, brother. Thanks for coming on. Thanks. I stumbled across your Instagram account and I was like, holy shit, this guy's speaking my language. Well, man, I, uh, I appreciate that.

It's been strange. Like the, just the past, I'd say like seven or eight days, uh, my Instagram growth has been, you know, incredible. So it's like, I don't know what happened if the algorithm changed or some, some people just finally caught on, but I've gained like, I don't know, I want to say 50 or 60,000 followers just in the past eight days. No shit. Yeah. Yeah. So I was at, I was at 35,000,

I think right around when you reached at me and like, I'm, I'm getting close to 90 right now. So it's, I don't know. I don't honestly, I have no idea what I haven't changed anything. I've been posting. I've been very consistent with, with posting on social media for a while. I think maybe, maybe I'm very fortunate. i just may have hit a tipping point i'm not really sure um so i'm glad i found you when i did because ever since i i lost my blue check mark account and then my second account is so shadow ban so once people i can't get big people it's it's hard for me to get people who have huge followings anymore because they can't i can't get them in the dms so i'm glad i got you and now you're fucked because i have your phone number so i can just text now that's dude honestly

when you reached out to me i saw the message i was like savon matosi and i was like holy shit thanks i was i was i was amazed man because i've and forgive me that i don't know more about you but i know you're the man for crossfit as far as, you know, all their media and things like that. And yeah, I've been doing CrossFit for over 10 years. So, you know, I'm like, I'm, I was well aware of who you were and I was very pleasantly surprised that you reached out to me and would actually want to have me on your podcast. So genuinely it's an honor. I didn't even know until I listened to two podcasts you did back to back and um and last night i was listening to one after drinking a couple bottles of wine with some friends i had an instagram reel and then i came

back yeah and i'm like fuck tanner all right i'll do it and i'm pretty usually pretty motivated i usually i can't even remember the last time i didn't work out, but it showed me by listening. You know, they say that you are the five people you surround yourself by. And I wholeheartedly believe that we're all mirrors here mirroring each other. I do as well. And when I was listening to those podcasts back to back and then I came inside. Yeah, you you and I hate this word, but you influenced me. And I just fucking just

stopped everything i was doing and did 100 burpees and my family joined in which was nuts yeah no i saw that i saw that real when i was having breakfast this morning and i shared it again on my story and i was genuinely honored and if i i don't i'm not a fan of the word influence or influencer either and like but if if i can't have an influence on anyone just to live a happier and healthier life, then that that's very fulfilling to me. So I'm happy to hear that. And I didn't even know you were a CrossFitter. I had no, when I invited you on, I had no, I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, man, I've been doing CrossFit hard for like over 10 years. And I mean, honestly, I've had quite a bit of success with it, but no

one really knows because I've had so many injuries. And so the last time 16 surgeries. Yeah. Yeah. Legitimately 16 orthopedic surgeries. Uh, I spent over three years of my life in a wheelchair or on crutches. So, uh, I've, I've dealt with a fair amount of adversity in my life, you know, more than most people, but, you know, far less than many. Right, right. That is a long time, especially since so many of us working out is a way of life. I don't have any mental health issues, but my cocaine is a hundred burpees, you know? No, mine as well. Like I've, uh, I've said it numerous times. I am like addicted to exercise, you know, it's, it's, and it's the best way to, uh, get, you know, your dopamine and, and, um,

endorphins and all that. There's numerous ways you can get it, but vigorous exercises, definitely the best way, the most healthy way. And kind of, and, um, and the easy road to mental clarity, because when I'm for sure those last 50 burpees, I'm not like thinking about that flat tire that's on my car or the fact that, did I pay my mortgage payment? I'm like, it's, it's all about, it's all about just breathing. So it's kind of that free spiritual journey too. Yes. I've discovered like I have my biggest moments of clarity or, you know, I create a lot of my best content just off the cuff right after a workout or during a workout when I don't know what it is, the chemical balance in my brain is on,

but it's like your brain's firing on all cylinders, especially when you, you know, you get that endorphin and dopamine release. So I'm clearly definitely addicted to it. Have you, what time is it where you're at? It's, uh, 7, 12 PM. I'm located in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. Okay. And you've worked out already today. I have, yes. And you've worked out already today. I have. Yes. Because when my podcast, it's 7 a.m. here. And when my podcasts aren't at 7 a.m., if there are any other time, I always work out before the podcast.

And usually it's just 10 minutes on the assault bike and 100 burpees or something. Yeah. You know, just something simple. But I do it to to cheat to make sure uh, the most alert I can be when I go on the podcast. I love to just finish my workout 30 minutes before a cold shower and then, and then get the camera. I know. I think there's been scientific studies that have shown that, that, um, your cognitive function or, you know, it's, it's just enhanced right after a workout. It's better. And everyone feels more awake, more alert, probably more happy. The, what I do, I, first thing I do when I wake

up is I eat breakfast and then I go upstairs and I swim for 10 minutes and then I take a cold shower. So very similar morning routines. That's just for me. And I wouldn't consider that a workout, but more just as a way to wake up and get my mind right, you know, to start the day. Do you think that, I keep thinking I'm going to play this video, but do you think that, um, because you've been, um, had 16 surgeries, that sounds like the perfect workout in the morning for someone, for either someone who's older or someone who's nursing right uh you know some injuries to basically go into a weightless environment yes and then put the body in stress it seems i haven't heard that before but as soon as you said it i'm like fuck that's brilliant no it makes perfect

sense and that's a big reason why i've done it so i've had numerous injuries lower limb injuries you know shoulder surgeries and things like that and so so I've found the swimming pool just to be a great way to move my body and also enhance my breathing and get my heart rate up a little bit. And it's easy. It's not hard on my body. It doesn't hurt my joints. I mean, cause I'm hard enough on my body as it is. I also have an assault bike at my house and I use that as well, but normally I prefer going outside. And so when I can be outside, I just jump in a pool for 10 minutes and go and it works for me. Christian face on Tanner is the man. I'll, I'll be the determinant of that, but thank you for the thank you,

Christian. Thank you, Caleb. I'm so glad you're here, buddy. I started panicking. God, I've become so needy. I've become so soft when I don't see you on the backend, brother. I, I've become so needy. I've become so soft. When I don't see you on the back end, brother, I panic. I panic. Hey, how's it going? Caleb Tanner Tanner. Pleasure. I'm going to play this video here, and then after this, I'm going to relinquish the controls to Caleb. trolls to caleb but uh these are the kind of things that um it's it's hard well it's hard to

be unique in this space but i'm just loving tanner stuff i'm absolutely i'm absolutely loving it here we go sense nutrition advice do you know why you're fat and feel like shit red meat that's what's killing you it has nothing to do with the fact that you drink alcohol regularly sleep only five hours a night rarely exercise watch the news and live in a cycle of negativity. Don't get outside and eat a bunch of highly processed shit food. So if you want to get healthy, here's how to do it. Eliminate all personal responsibility. Never hold yourself accountable for the foods you eat or lack of physical activity.

And lastly, blame all your life's problems on everyone else. Because remember, nothing's ever your fault and it has nothing to do with your negative attitude and unwillingness to help yourself. And if that doesn't work, just eliminate another entire food group like eggs or dairy, and then start this process all over again. When you think of this, are you just giggling inside? Are you just like, yeah, this is fucking crazy that I'm going to do this? I don't think it's more or less giggling. I'd say I just – everyone's saying the same thing, especially on social media,

especially if you're a trainer. Everyone's saying the same thing. And so I just know if I wanted people to hear what I was saying and for it to resonate with them, you needed to say it in a way where it, it really makes people think about what they're doing, what they're doing, their, you know, their behavior and things like that. So, and it's just the, how ridiculous some things are these days, especially with health and nutrition. I just wanted to put out, put it in a way where it kind of makes people like realize

like, well, holy shit, man. So it's crazy. It's kind of profound in a way. So I don't giggle, but I just, I put it in a way where people aren't expecting to hear it. And so it actually makes them think about their behavior. That that's my whole podcast. I could just stop doing podcasts and just every, every morning at 7am instead of going live, I could just play that and save and save everyone. Yeah. I've done quite a few pieces of content, um, kind of using that method of reverse psychology or, you know, saying exactly what you would not expect me to say. And, uh, I've gotten quite a bit of positive feedback with it. So I think it, I think it helps people.

That's why Kyle Landis, the sad thing is some people don't realize he's being sarcastic. You know what's funny, Kyle? I was watching that last night and my wife was sitting next to me and it actually took me a few seconds too because she saw the meat thing and she looked over and she's like, oh, here we go again. And then, you know, 10 more seconds in, she figured out, oh, he's being. Yeah. So for anyone that, you know, I'm a huge proponent of eating high quality animal foods and I eat red meat every day, multiple times a day.

And I feel great and I'm quite confident I'm healthier than at least fitter than most people. I'd say that. Let me show you a crazy video someone sent me this morning. Caleb, do you see the one where it says added sugar? I saw this. I don't think people realize how badly you can mess up your hormones by eating sugar. And that if you consume it on a massive, massive scale, you'll do irreversible damage to your – this is my opinion. This is my opinion just from the little bit of facts that I know about hormones.

You will – especially if you give it to young kids, you will change the course of their life forever, and there will be no turning around. It's like if you bend the frame on a car. You can bend the frame on that car, and the car is totaleded and you will not ever be able to get that frame straight again. And if you consume too much sugar, especially at a young age, you'll have all sorts of genital issues also. Your testicles and your penis won't develop correctly. And there's some crazy shit that can happen to you. But as you get older, you will retard yourself. You will cause it so that your brain can't even think clearly.

And I've talked about it like this before. This is kind of my own thing. The very first thing we all want to do, the most important thing is we want to breathe. And then once we get breathing down uh it starts it's probably food and then somewhere in there and these two battle back and forth is uh shelter and sex those two you know are i think are interchangeable and if anything gets in that hierarchy like heroin or something you you will start to become subhuman you you won't be like the rest of us who have this protocol you won't be living in your in your natural state of breathing eating and then and then and by shelter i mean you know protection

from alligators and falling coconuts and shit like that yeah i think it's maslow's hierarchy of needs if i'm not oh is that what it is okay it's something along those lines i believe and and and you know i for guys i don't know about girls, but sex can really can weave in there, too, at some weird times. I think some it's a powerful force. It certainly is. Hormones, hormones in general are a very powerful force. And so this is probably the worst thing I think you can do that's readily available to humanity if you want to fuck with your foundation. We had Patrick Bed-David on. I don't know if you know who that is. But one of the things he did – he's an entrepreneur. He has the largest entrepreneurial YouTube channel on YouTube. Cool guy, you know, worth, you know, $300 million.

And he said at one, I can't remember how old he was, but at one point he told himself that he's not going to have sex again until he, he makes a million dollars. So he even leveraged that, you know, against himself. That's a certainly, that's a certainly a good way to ensure your own success. Okay. And action. How many sugars do you have with your cola? I have five, but I ain't got a spoon, so I'll just use what's left. This is disturbing even.

This is like watching one of those films how many sugars do you have you ever seen those films where it's like a guy's walking down the street of some like in philadelphia or somewhere and there's just people laid out everywhere shooting drugs this is like that to me it's just disturbing to me yeah sugar's uh it's extremely powerful i think i've seen a youtube video where they were running tests on mice and they're testing which one mice prefer between sugar and cocaine and actually sugar beats out cocaine. Wow. It's an evil industry, especially, you know, since processed foods really became so prevalent all over the world. I think 1970s, 1980s, they really just saw the whole world population health just decline dramatically. So it's a man, you know, the food industry or you could say greed. You know, it's the same.

Essentially, it's all based on money and making greed. But it's a pretty essentially it's all based on money and making and greed but it's a it's pretty evil evil industry and i always encourage people to eliminate processed foods or at least try to consume as much real whole high quality foods as possible you see um you know you go to cirque du soleil and it's like a lady riding a unicycle you're like that's cool and then and then and then she holds like a guy on top of her and then you're like holy shit and then the guy's juggling and you're like holy shit and then another unicycle comes out and they start juggling back and forth and it's another guy on top of another girl's shoulders and you're like what the fuck and you're like man how long did they practice that and you have this

anxiety as you watch it and you're like i've never seen this before that's why i paid you know 179 dollars for this ticket right when i when i watched that girl put that sugar in the cola it took no work but i'd never seen that before have you ever seen but i get that same feeling that i get from being at surf de soleil like holy shit someone stop her yeah no i've like like what she's juggling knives like what is she doing i've never seen anyone add sugar to cola i'm just like someone does anyone love her honestly it's i think it comes down to just a lot of parenting and conditioning you know the way you're brought up and um it's unfortunate just lack of education um some people with you know even how basic nutrition is most people are still lack the most basic nutritional knowledge. So it's, it's, it's unfortunate, but you know, this is the world we live in.

And she's for sure on medications that, that I think that's a girl. I can't even tell because that's one of the things that I think it was a girl too. I mean, I would presume she is, but you know, who knows. that's one of the things that I think it was a girl too. But I mean, I would presume she is, but you know, who knows that it will also, uh, what I've noticed is people who consume just sugar like that on that level, they start to become androgynous.

Yeah. Like I can't tell the difference. I don't, why don't we use that word more now? It's like all these crazy new words I have to learn like non-binary and all this whole new, how about what's androgynous mean? Am I using that word right

caleb you should look that up because i you know i'm i'll be 100 honest i'm not exactly sure of the of the definition i know i know endogenous and exogenous but uh i've heard the best way the best way to communicate is to people is just to use words as simply as possible yeah partly male and partly female. Ah, okay, yeah. That would be accurate then. I assume she was female, but, I mean, yeah, she could probably fit that description. Yeah, that could have easily have been a boy.

Hartle, thank you. Yes, words definitely do matter. I went to a medical site today i was looking something up and there was a note at the top of the article it says gender and sex are on um spectrums and i'm just like you fucking idiots and i just closed the article i have no faith in a medical uh a medical website that thinks that sex is on a spectrum. I don't agree. Yeah. I know there's a lot of... I mean, I haven't lived in the United States for like 10 years, but there's a lot of, I feel like, gender roles and specifics and things that are going on now

that I don't really understand. But if you want to be politically correct, you need to be that way, I suppose. Yeah suppose yeah well they conflated the two words even a lot of smart people are conflating the two words um i just think his gender is something in your imagination right like uh and i used baryshnikov from russia is the perfect example he wore black tights and a wife beater and in the united states that would be considered a feminine outfit but he's one of the most and he did ballet and yet he's one of the most masculine fucking you know badasses that ever lived and so gender is just your imagination and a social construct and just like i i don't even i'm 50 i don't even know what my gender is i don't even consider i just know that when i pee i have a dick and that makes me a man well i think that's

very sound logic sabana like that thank. And I do own some power tools, but I suck at using them. Well, if it makes you feel any better, I don't, I'm the worst handyman ever. I'm much better at working out than I am like building shelves. The first,

the first CrossFit Games champion, champions were Jolie Gentry and James Fitzgerald. Jolie Gentry was a police officer, and we know that the CrossFit has its roosts in first responders. We had a ton of first responders always at the games in the early years competing. And then

James Fitzgerald was also a professional athlete who didn't succeed in his goals. He wanted to be a professional soccer player. That's a lot of CrossFitters. I feel like, yes. And then we had Miko Salo. He wanted to be a professional soccer player, but he was also a firefighter. Yes. And so I've always thought of, and the list goes on and on. You had a Katie Motter who was, I believe she was drafted into the, the owner of a rogue fitness. I believe she was drafted into the owner of Rogue Fitness. I believe she was drafted into the WNBA, but it didn't work out. And so there's this, you had Annie Thor's daughter,

she was a pole vaulter. And you basically have these athletes where their professional careers or aspirations kind of come to a stop. And then, or their first responders, like Josh Bridges, who they use this fitness program in order to save their lives, you know, what, um, can, can you give us a little bit of, of your, your journey? Like, uh, where were you born? I was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but, uh, I was, I grew up in Chugiak, Alaska. Wow. And then, um, I moved back to Tulsa for high school and then i attended uh college in houston texas where i played football so a poet you were like a podunk boy you're a country boy like small town i wouldn't exactly consider myself country like so i was born in tulsa and then grew up as a kid in chugiak alaska and i wouldn't consider where i grew up in alaska as a podunk

you wouldn't how many people live there oh man honestly i haven't consider where i grew up in alaska as a podunk um you wouldn't how many people live there oh man honestly i haven't lived there for so long i couldn't tell you but i would venture to say i don't know did you have stoplights in your town yeah oh okay stoplight stoplight it's i know it's much more developed now so i moved moved away from there in 2002 so how did you get up there why why did your parents move there at work? Uh, yeah, work. My, my mom got a job and my dad is as well. Wow. What did they do up there? Uh, my mom was a nurse and then my dad had a few different jobs, but, uh, mainly he was a welder fabricator. Um, but yeah, it's a, it's a beautiful,

Alaska's beautiful, beautiful place. But, um, and then I had aspirations. I knew I wanted to play football in college and the opportunities to get recruited, you know, in Chugiak, Alaska are far less than, you know, getting recruited, you know, say from Oklahoma or Texas or somewhere. And so I took that pretty seriously. And luckily, I went back to Tulsa, Oklahoma and had a pretty had a successful high school career in football and then was able to go to Rice University and play college football. Did you, you played football in Alaska? I played football. Yeah. As a kid, but then I played high school football in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and then I played college football in Houston, Texas. Okay. Do they play high? Do they play football in Alaska? Where would the kids play yeah indoors uh no they play outdoors they just start

the season i think two months earlier so and still they run into winter you know towards the end of the season but they just start the season earlier wow crazy yeah yeah and when you alaska's it's a it's a developed developed state no no no you can't convince me all right well if you ever get an opportunity to visit there i'd highly recommend recommend it. It's beautiful. Just go make sure you go towards June and July when it's summer. It's the only state that I have not visited. I've always wanted to drive there from California. Yeah. If you ever have the opportunity, you should. I recommend it. Have you ever driven from the continental United States to Alaska or either? Well, I guess technically I have. So when I was a baby, I suppose, but I don't remember it. So I know my parents drove from Oklahoma up to Alaska when we moved up there, but I mean,

I don't really have any recollection of that. Do you have siblings? I have an older sister. I do. Yep. But, um, I I've kind of back to your question. I fell into CrossFit. It was very similar story. So I was a college athlete and I wasn't able to play football in the NFL, which that was always my dream. And then I, I found CrossFit and I quickly realized, all right, well, if I'm not going to play football, then I'm just going to work out. I'm just going to, you know, make a, make a, make a living working out. So that's, that's what I pursued. What position in football?

I played defense linebacker and safety in college. I looked a bit different than I did now. I was probably about 30 pounds heavier. And how tall are you? 5'11". And how close did you get? To the NFL? Yeah. I wouldn't say close. You know, I had a really good high school career, but my college football experience was less than stellar. I'll put it that way, but that really wasn't in my hands. I didn't exactly see eye to eye with my coaches. That's not making an excuse or anything. I didn't have a great college football experience, and I did not get on with my coaches.

But I still did the Rice Pro Day. I tried. I took it as far as I could, and I realized if I would have wanted to play professionally, but I still did, I did the rice pro day. I tried, I took it as far as I could. And I realized like, if I would have wanted to play professionally, perhaps I could have, but it would have been like an arena league or a small league. And, you know, once I found CrossFit, I realized like, all right, you know what? I could probably be pretty good at this. And so once I finished up doing my pro day, I just like went all in on CrossFit. And then that brought me kind of outside of the United States.

So probably kind of, yeah, it's kind of led me to where I am today in a way. What is that? What does that mean that you didn't get along with your, your, your coaches? Well, basically it means that I played my sophomore and junior year, but you know, my red shirt senior year, my fourth and junior year, but you know, my, uh, red shirt senior year, my fourth and fifth year, I didn't play. I just basically sat at the bench and I played scout team. And there, there were some events that happened during my career, um, that basically really weren't good. And you went to jail. You went to jail. I didn't go to jail. I, uh, I'll just put it this way.

Alcohol was involved. And, um, one of our, one of my teammates was acting inappropriately, you know, and, um, I handled it. I handled it in a way that was probably a far, a bit too aggressive. And he was kind of a, an important player on our team. But, uh, so yeah, there, there yeah, there was politics involved in that for sure. I know that for sure. And I had a position coach that, in my opinion, his personality and my personality were just basically polar opposites.

He was a very negative coach, you know, would never say anything good. And that's just the way he coached, not just me, but everyone like that. And it just really, uh, he and I just really not like butted heads a lot. And so they kind of wrote me off and I didn't, I wasn't able to, you know, didn't matter what I did. Didn't matter how good I was, how hard I worked, you know, I was sitting the bench no matter what. So that's kind of, that's kind of the way it went. Yeah. It, um, no matter what. So that's kind of, that's kind of the way it went. Yeah. It, um, it's crazy that you would play two years and then not your,

and then not your last two years. I'm guessing that the guy who came on to replace you wasn't better than you. I mean, this is, you know, this is 10 years ago, so on. So it's, it's, it's, I don't really want to, I'm not wanting to really live in the past, but I'll, uh, I'll put it this way. Like I worked really hard. I did everything I could, you know, to, I guess, be on, you know, contribute to my team. But, you know, when you're on a college football team, you don't have control of your life. But, you know, the coaches are going to determine who's going to play, who's going to get on the field, and who's going to sit the bench. And I know I'm not the only player, you know, that's experienced this, you know, a lot of this happens to guys all over the

country. It's happening to guys right now, you know? So when you, that's the best thing that happened to me, honestly, was when college football ended, I like was able to pursue CrossFit and that's obviously an individual sport. And so then I had control over my life and do that. And so playing college football, I mean, I made the best friends in my life, but, you know, I have very bitter memories and I kind of a bitter, bitter sentiments about it just because like I wasn't in control of my life no matter what I did. I used to watch football as a kid and my team was the Raiders. The Raiders and the Niners.

I was a niners fan too yep and i remember when they benched marcus allen because the problems he was having with the owner al davis and and that was like i just could not figure it out you're paying this guy to play but because you don't get along with them you put him on the bench it was crazy it's man that's what i i'd say and I, I can't speak for anyone else. I'm just telling my personal experience and how I feel about it. And I mean, I just did not have a good experience, you know, playing college football. And once I was done, I was done.

I never looked really back at it and I just kind of went all into CrossFit, but yeah, you just, I just remember being kind of really unhappy because like I didn't have control no matter what I did it didn't matter um is it was uh this guy uh chase brian is saying um ask tanner about alan tremble was that the coach there so chase brian hey chase um he and i were high school teammates you know and friends oh wow yeah uh he actually messaged me asking me if i was gonna be on this podcast because he because he's obviously an avid listener to your podcast. Yeah, yeah. I see him in the comments. Yeah, he's awesome. Awesome, dude. Alan Trimble was an incredible coach. And like I said, I had an exceptional high school football career. And I'm saying that with humility, but I had a really good career. And then I just went to college, you know, I was loaded with confidence. I felt really good about everything. I was always a really

hardworking guy, but it just, like I said, you know, once I got on the wrong side of my coaches, it didn't matter what would happen. But my high school football career was great. Alan Trimble, you know, rest in peace. He was a incredible man, incredible leader. And I felt very privileged to play for him at Jinx high school. Oh, wow. Okay. He was your high school coach. He was. Yeah. So you get out of, you get out of college and you're all alone there. There's no, there's no one, your family's not with you. Yeah. No. So yeah, my family was in Tulsa and I mean, I was down in Houston and like,

at that point in my life, I was actually, it was actually a kind of a low point. Like I had, I lost purpose, you know, I'd finished up college. Um, you know, I got two degrees in a minor, but I knew I wasn't cut out for a nine to five job and I knew I didn't want to work in a suit. You know, not that there's anything wrong with that. I just knew that wasn't for me. And, you know, one thing I just always really loved was working out. And so my, uh, transition into CrossFit was quite easy. Like I said, the first time I ever saw CrossFit on ESPN, I knew, all right, well, if I can't play football,

I'm doing that. And so that really took me out of the United States. So I moved to the Philippines because I wanted to compete in the Asia regional because it was a weaker regional and I wanted to go to the games. And so I did that, almost went to the games my first year, but, uh, I made a really bad mistake on the workout on the very first workout Jackie, and this is in 2013. And then that brought me to Dubai where I am today, where I was coaching CrossFit. And then, uh, I had quite a bit of success competing here in Dubai, but then just injuries kind of really, you know, took my career, like really kind of decimated my career, if that makes sense. And I'm still battling back, but I do hope I can compete in CrossFit again, maybe as a master. How old are you?

I'm 35. Oh, is this year even a possibility? possibility? Realistically next season, I may register for the open as a master, but I was, my plan is probably to take the entire year of 2023 to continue training. Cause I'm recovering from a pretty serious ankle injury that I suffered a year ago. And so I'm still rehabilitating my ankle and my legs. Like I've had like 11 knee surgery. So my knees are not in great shape and I'm doing everything I can to rehabilitate my knees and to strengthen my legs back to where they would need to be so I can compete at the level that I know I'm capable of. So it's, we'll see. I'm not, I'm not ruling it out, but 2024, my eyes are more set on 2024.

It would be pretty, it sounds like, uh, Rich rich froning's gonna compete this year as an individual i hope he does i look forward to watching him and he would be in your division uh yeah i think i think he's just a little you could compete against him that would be pretty cool just to do that man it would honestly it would be an honor and a privilege just to be able to compete at that high of a level again and if i could compete against rich froning that would be incredible i'd be an honor i've never met the guy i've always wanted to yeah cool as shit um i wonder if that's going to how much that's going to affect um that category meaning like so many people like you know more people are going to enter with just for the opportunity to say hey i can yeah can, yeah, that's, that's, you know, that's, that's, I mean, he's going to bring a lot

of validity to that division. I mean, people are going to start arguing that the winner of that could beat the games athlete. I mean, it's going to, people are going to propose it. It's yeah, no, for sure. I mean, and there, I think there would be validity in that argument. I mean, Rich Froning is, I mean, he's Rich Froning. What can you say about him? So it's, I'm really looking forward to watching him compete and to see, you know, what level, you know, of fitness he can bring at that age, you know? So it's exciting. Cause I mean, he's obviously pushed the boundaries and I'm excited to know like what's possible. So yeah, it's, I'm looking forward to it. And I think definitely a lot more people will be

paying attention to that master's category when he enters because he's just such you know he's a legend big name i i want to go back in the story to when you got out and in your first crossfit competition but first because i don't want to forget this story either if i heard you write one of the other podcasts is you had a 500 pound deadlift and you met a guy named mark you went out you found it you wanted a you saw a guy named mark deadlift 900 pounds and you're like i wonder if this guy can put 100 pounds on my deadlift i'm wondering if you could sort of um in detail tell us about that journey yeah how do you put on 100 pounds on your deadlift and how long did that take? It took me from January of 2021 to November of 2021. So it took me 10 months.

And I know that sounds, that sounds kind of quite absurd, but Mark, Mark Boyd is his name. I mean, he's a strength specialist and he's in a, was an elite strong man. And basically we just started a linear progression program and I wasn't doing as much CrossFit at that time. Like I dedicated solely 10 months, basically just to deadlift as much weight as I possibly could. Cause it was a lifetime goal of mine to deadlift over 600 pounds. What does that mean? Linear progression? What is it? That that's, uh uh basically you're just lifting heavier and heavier week after week and dropping the reps it's a it's it's a very common way for power lifters

and strong men to train and basically i wasn't doing much crossfit from january through november i was still doing a little bit but mainly my main focus was just getting as strong as possible with my deadlift because you know i've had a decentlift, but it was a goal of mine. I want to deadlift 600 pounds, you know, some, something that I just really wanted to do. And my knees at the time weren't really as healthy as they are now. So I really wasn't doing much squatting or anything like that. And I'm the kind of guy that I need purpose in my training and I need to have a goal. And so my goal, I just made it my goal, like, all right, I'm going to double 600 pounds. And so I found the best guy in Dubai to teach me how to do that. And so I worked with Mark, like I said, for about 10 months and we worked through it and

it wasn't a hundred pounds per se. So the first one, my first workout with him, um, I deadlifted, uh, 230 kg, which is I think like five, 10. I did that for two and a half reps two reps and so that was a starting point and then we just basically built it up from there and i mean it culminated in november when i deadlifted 605 but then like a fucking idiot fucking idiot i was so jacked up and ecstatic that i deadlifted the weight i literally slammed the bar down and then it landed on my knee and it broke my ankle. So I literally broke my own ankle because of my stupidity, I suppose. Yeah. It's, I don't even like watching the video. Is that the, is that the video? That's a picture of it. I think I might've deleted the video cause I can't stand watching it.

I have the video on my phone. Crazy. So from there you you you pushed the weight down and your knees were in front of it yeah exactly and like i had deadlifted like 585 like probably a month before that and i i was jacked up and i slammed the bar because i just deadlifted six plates and i was like fuck yeah this is dude i was jacked up i don't know i mean so ecstatic that i threw the bar down and it was all good and then i hit my. Like I've been working hard towards it for like 10 months straight. And I mean, I fucking pulled, you know, two 75 kg or six Oh five pounds. So dude, obviously I was really happy with it. And especially like I would consider myself as CrossFitter and there's not a lot of guys pulling 600 pounds that are, you know, CrossFitters.

So then I did it and man, just like an idiot, I just slammed it down. It landed on my right knee and then it broke my right ankle because of all the force. Did you know it broke your ankle right away? I knew that I really fucked my ankle up. I mean, what's odd is like, I did the same thing to my left ankle when I'm in college. So, and I knew, I knew I've had so many injuries that I know when I have an injury and I knew that I knew it was pretty severe because my ankle swelled up immediately as well so yeah it was not my finest moment chase i watched the video many times great yeah do you know her jamie latimer about to see him in a few hours do you train with her

oh god i don't jamie if i'm really sorry she's talking about rich oh okay okay okay he's going to the legends competition i think oh amazing okay good i was like oh geez i hope i'm not it's good um i i want to go back and get a little more details about your training for that but uh this i was actually wondering this too how so during this time when you're when you're working and you're in you and i don't believe you by the way when you say you're not doing a lot of you weren't doing a lot of crossfit because i know how you guys are it's probably you weren't doing a lot of crossfit relative to what you do but to what the rest of us do you were probably still getting it um

yeah yeah you're that's that's accurate i was probably hitting at least like two or three crossfit style workouts a week still. During that time, do you start doing a lot of accessory work too? Like things like the slack block? You know what's crazy? I just saw that comment. I'm not sure what a slack block was, but no, actually. Oh, I got to show you. You're going to fucking love it.

Go on. All right. But the approach I took when I started specializing towards a deadlift, actually I did less and I just, I just did more deadlifts and I did different variations of deadlifts. And also, I mean, like my coach, Mark, like, you know, credit to him. Like he's, he's actually younger than I am, but I mean, he's deadlifted like 900 pounds and about this, he was a little heavier than I am, but I mean, he pulled basically over a four times body weight deadlift, which is, it's insane, you know? And so, but he took him years to do it. You know, he failed numerous times, but basically when I made the goal, I like, I reached out to the most knowledgeable and best person I could in Dubai to teach me how to do it. Cause I didn't really want to do it with like an online coach. I wanted in-person training. So I'm a trainer and I hired my own trainer to get me there. Yeah. And you're an

amazing trainer. And the two podcasts I listened to, man, you really say all the, it's so obvious your passion. We'll get to this, but the bits where you talk about training people to get their first pull up and how rewarding that is, or even people to be able to do something as simple as a ring row, it just screams how legit you are. It's funny. Literally just two days ago, I made up another piece of content about that and just about how important it is for people just to master the most basic exercises. basic exercises, you know, and if you want to unlock anything else, like anything else advanced, you know, in your training, you must have a foundation of the basics first, but so many people want to skip over that and they want to do fancy exercises without putting in the work. And, you know, basically they're just going in circles because you're never going to get a muscle up until you master strict pull-ups or strict dips. Does that make sense? So it's, I don't know

why people don't see that, but it's a message I've been preaching for years now. And I'll continue to glass glassman says part of glass and what says he wishes he would have never introduced the kipping pull-up. It disgusts him to see people getting kipping pull-ups before they have like, yeah, I agree on that. And it's yeah. And that's, that's, that's honestly one of the, my biggest pet peeves with CrossFit. I mean, I have a few other things. I mean, in general, I love CrossFit, but there's a few problems with it, you know, but I mean, it's, it's really hard to manage and control, but yeah, that's one thing. And just the lack of mastering, developing foundational strength for most people, that's the biggest problem. And I coached CrossFit for six years and I've coached thousands of hours and thousands of classes. And I got to the point where I came,

I became kind of disenchanted with it because people always wanted to do just Metcon, Metcon, Metcon and something new, something new every day. And there just wasn't enough emphasis on mastering the most basic foundational movements, such as squats, pushups, rows, strict pull-ups, these kinds of things. And you can't go anywhere unless you've mastered the basics. You know, another thing he was really into that doesn't get translated well to CrossFit is since Greg's background was being a gymnast, he was really into negatives. And that's how I learned to muscle up. I just hung some rings under some stairs and I would just do negatives every single day. I would do 10 negatives.

The first one would be fast and slower and slower. And then by the 10th one, when I was warmed up, I would do it as slow as I could. I just did negatives. I did negatives today with my client, you know, and that's a, that's a great way to do it. What negative, what movement, what movement? Strip pull up, strip pull up. I do tons of, I have this little kid's gymnastic set.

And I do – even though I can do bar muscle-ups and muscle-ups, I do tons of negative still. I put – I do – I just jump up to the top of the bar and slowly lower myself. And I do sets of three and maybe ten of those. And then I'll put on a 16-pound weight vest and do the same thing. And I always – once I'm warm, I, it feels so great. Yeah. And that's the, that's honestly one of the best ways to train and develop, you know, the requisite strength to do those things. Cause when you're kipping so much more forces going through your joints and tendons and ligaments, and if you're not ready for that, it's just kind of an injury waiting to happen.

So you, I do almost exclusively strict work. I've been doing more kipping lately just because I've been doing more CrossFit lately, but I would spend majority of my time always doing strict work, strict dips, strict handstand pushups, strict muscle ups, strict legless rope climbs, all that kind of stuff. So I'm a huge proponent of developing strict strength. And the strict handstand pushup is pretty wild too. I never mastered that, but I've had, I had some, some, honestly, it's a harder one. And some people are just really good at them. And some people are just really bad at them. I've discovered that, you know, it's, it's, it's highly variable, especially that movement. Like a perfect example is like Laura Horvath. She's, you know, one of the fittest women in the world, but you

know, she can't do a single strict parallel handstand pushup. So it's, you know, one of the fittest women in the world, but you know, she can't do a single strict parallel handstand pushup. So it's, it's, that's a, that's a tricky movement. This, the strict handstand pushup, it's very tricky for a lot of people. The strict one I'm good with. It's the kip that. Oh, the kipping. Yeah. There's some shit gets weird on the kipping. Yeah. That's a, that's a matter of just kind of skill acquisition and practice, I presume. Thank you, Mason. Thank you. That's the first time in 700 shows that's the first time i've seen

that thank you um uh what do you think uh i want to get back deadlifts and back to football um but uh what do you think laura's do you think you could coach laura into getting strict handstand push-ups what do you think the issue is there some people say it's just she's just too big that she's gonna have to fucking lose 10 pounds well again I've never met her I don't know what kind of I I wouldn't say that first off I'd tell her I would never tell her that she couldn't do something because I think any coach that tells you you can't do something a terrible coach so I would definitely instill word that she has self-belief that she can do it. And, you know, strict handstand pushup, that's a matter of how strong you are relative to your body weight.

So I think losing some weight would, yeah, benefit her for sure. But, you know, that may be a detriment to other areas of her fitness. So that's, you know, kind of the catch-22 with, you know, high-level CrossFit. You know, you give up one thing to gain another. So it's tricky. But in general, I'm CrossFit, you know, if you give up one thing to gain another. So it's, it's tricky, but in general, I'm a huge proponent of, if you're going to be an elite CrossFitter, you want to be as strong and as lean as possible. And you want as much weight on your body working for you and as little weight on your body working against you. So I've always been,

I've always maintained a very lean, um, shape, you know, being, you know being you know in my physique so like you know i want everything my body working for me you know not not against me so like i'm always always quite lean because i just it helps your gymnastics and your body so much 15 years consumed a shitload of media i've never heard anyone say that and and that and it's like uh you want to be as strong as you can and as lean as you can so normally i walk around at 165 when i drop and that and it's like uh you want to be as strong as you can and as lean as you can so normally i walk around at 165 when i drop down to 150 it's almost feels like i could do a one-arm muscle-up it's like all of a sudden it feels like i'm fucking holding helium balloons

i can't even believe how easy the first couple are it's like yeah easier than a pull-up even it's weird well if you think about it i mean if you're holding extra body fat it's literally the same thing as wearing a weight vest around all the time but you just don't realize it that's just weight useless dead weight that you're holding on to and having to move and so you don't want that on your body especially if you're trying to be an elite crossfitter um no one's along that same line just to keep beating this dead horse no no one's ever won the New York City Marathon who's not dehydrated. They are severely dehydrated when they cross the finish line. Some people would be like, well, if you're dehydrated, it's not optimal performance.

At this elite level, there are some things that you have to really work. I was really happy to hear you say that. What do you weigh? What do you weigh? I fluctuate between 200 and 205, depending on the day, how much water I've drank or how much sodium I've had up. But my body fat generally stays around between 8 and 12%. I don't mean, I don't measure it every day, but I have a pretty good indicator. You know, as long as I can see my veins in my lower abdomen abdomen that's a pretty good indicator that you're like around sub 10 body fat so i always maintain the visibility of my you know veins in my lower abdomen if that makes sense i don't have veins in my lower abdomen

you do you just they just need to lose a bit of weight and they'll show up everyone's got them i knew i wasn't i knew i wasn't going to get away with that i knew i wasn't going to get away with Everyone's got them. I knew I wasn't going to get away with that. I knew I wasn't going to get away with that. So you go in there and your baseline is a little over 500-pound deadlift. And you start doing the training you were saying was a variety of deadlifts. Is it give us, is it the same training every week basically, but just at Q just keep adding a little more. I could walk you through that. It's quite simple. So basically what, when I started, when I did the first workout with him, he realized like my leg drive was an issue,

which wasn't surprising at all. Cause I haven't been able to squat for like eight or nine years. So I knew my legs, my legs were quite weak, but you know, my back is pretty strong. My posterior chain is pretty strong. So what we did is we started working leg drive in which we did that with heavy leg presses and also safety bar back squats. That's just to improve your leg drive. And I wasn't doing like a full 90 degree squat. It was, it was basically about 90 degrees, not below parallel. I should say, basically just trying to get my legs as strong as I could to mimic the starting position of the deadlift. And then I just did different variations of the deadlifts, whether that be, you know, normal conventional deadlifts, then deadlifts from blocks. So where the bar with the plates

are raised on like a two inch block, and then also deficit deadlifts, stiff legged deadlifts. And that's really was the bulk of my training. And each week we did a couple of peaks. So we did like a six week peak. I maxed out and then brought it back down and then built back up from there. So it was a very strategic approach, you know, very periodized and all planned out and it works. And another reason it worked, I should say, is because I believed in it. You know, any program works if you believe in it. And I also was incredibly consistent. I didn't miss a single workout with them week after week after week, you know, so being

consistent in self-belief is that's probably the most important thing in any program you follow, but that's kind of what I did. And then as the weights got heavier, I stripped away, you know, one deadlift variation, you know, so say one workout I was doing regular deadlifts, block pulls, um, stiff legged deadlifts and deficit deadlifts. So as the weight got heavier, I, maybe I would take away the deficit deadlifts block pulls, um, stiff legged deadlifts and deficit deadlifts. So as the weight got heavier, I, maybe I would take away the deficit deadlifts. Then I would lift as heavy as I could on block pulls, stiff legs, and regular deadlifts. Then when, when I could no longer do stiff legged

deadlifts, I dropped those. And then I only did block pulls and normal deadlifts. And then when I could no longer do the deadlifts, I only did the block pulls. And I, I worked up to a one rep max on a block pull. And so that allowed me to lift heavier weight than I ever have before, you know, basically priming my body and my central nervous system to be ready to handle, you know, a 600 pound deadlift. And so it was a very planned out periodized approach. Sumo deadlifts. Did you do those? No, sumo deadlifts. I don't, I'm not a fan of sumo deadlifts in general. Um, I almost said something really bad, but I shouldn't do that because there's nothing wrong with sumo deadlifts. Uh, so I was going to say sumo deadlifts are for pussies, but no,

I don't, I don't, I don't actually believe that. I don't believe that, you know, I have, you know, power lifters probably yelling at me right now, trying to punch me through the screen. Um, but yeah, how dare me, right. And I'm not a power lifter, you know, I'm not a power lifter and I respect power lifters and they're, they're way stronger than I am, but I, I wanted to, I'm only do conventional deadlifts because I want to compete in CrossFit again. And I've never, sumo deadlifts never been tested in CrossFit, not to say it won't be, but the bottom line is your leverages and the distance you're lifting the bar is far different when you're doing a

sumo deadlift and it's far easier. That's why the best deadlifters in the world are always pulling sumo. The heaviest deadlifts in the world are sumo deadlifts. Unless you're strong, man, they're doing conventional deadlifts, but you're using straps. And so they're not really hanging onto the bar. So when I was training for my deadlift, I used a basic ass rogue barbell, a stiff bar. I used metal plates because that's what they had at the gym. No straps, no nothing. I did it to mimic what I would be doing in a CrossFit competition. Cause that's what I wanted to carry over to. What happened with your squatting? And if you can't squat, how are you going to compete? What happened with your squatting?

And if you can't squat, how are you going to compete? So basically I've had 11 knee surgeries since 2014. And I've had a really severe. On both knees or just one? Both knees. I had a. Damn. I don't want to bore the audience with all my knee surgeries.

People like caring about it because other people have had knee surgeries. So it gives them hope that they can get back. You can certainly do a lot. So i'll make a long story short but my last competition was in 2014 and um i won that and then i knew my body was you won the dubai fitness championship i did yeah in 2014 you took first place yes who took second uh miko aron third miko aron took second that year yeah he's a three-time athlete oh yeah he was strong as shit he if it's the same guy i'm thinking too he had some fucked up form he was like one of the if it's the same guy i'm thinking he had the worst form of any crossfit games athlete i ever saw and yet he was a horse. His form could be better. I wouldn't put it so eloquently as you,

but, um, you know, it's, uh, he, uh, Miko is an incredible guy.

I actually know him quite well. He's still in Dubai and still training. He actually just won a competition like a couple of weeks ago, but, uh, yeah, he was an exceptional sectional CrossFitter still is, um, his form, you know,

it works for him. I'll put it that way. Yeah. So there you go right there. But, uh, he got second that year. And then, um, yeah, I honestly, I forgot the question. So after I won that competition, I knew my body was a wreck. Like I had to have shoulder surgery and my, I had no meniscus left in my right knee. So literally I was bone on bone. And so that's what kind of started, you know, the issues with my knees. I had to, I got a meniscectomy, but then the doctor went in there and realized there's nothing to take out because your meniscus is gone. It's literally just floating around in my knee. And so my, my femur and my tibia were just mashing together and I was wearing out the

cartilage, the articular cartilage. And so that doctor, literally that doctor said, you need to stop doing CrossFit and were just mashing together and I was wearing out the cartilage, the articular cartilage. And so that doctor, literally that doctor said, you need to stop doing CrossFit and you just need to stop being active and wait till you're 40 to have a knee replacement. That's what that doctor told me. Why wait till 40? Why not just do it right then and there? Just because when you have a knee replacement, generally they're only good for like 10 or 15 years and you want to put them off as much as possible. But that was bad advice. That was terrible advice, by the way. So I refuse to believe that because he told me to quit CrossFit and I said, you know, fuck that guy. I'm not, I'm not taking no for an answer. And so then I did a lot of research

all over. And then I found a highly specialized doctor that specializes in meniscus transplants. And so then I flew from Dubai to San Francisco, California. Oh, Dr. Stone. Yeah. Kevin Stone. Yeah. Yeah. He's a very, he's world renowned actually. So yeah, I spent about half the money I won in that competition getting a new meniscus. Did he give you the one that he invented or did you get a cadaver? I got a cadaver. So yeah, I I'm familiar with the one you're talking about. I don't know if that ever got passed in the U S to work. So I have a cadaver meniscus in my right knee and I, he had to replace my ACL as well. I had, I had a bunch of other issues.

And then, and did you like him? Did you like the experience? Yeah, I did. I did. Well, I have mixed emotions about it. I mean, for my right knee, he did amazing. He fixed my right knee, gave me a new meniscus and my right knee feels good right now. And I'm thankful. Hopefully it will fingers crossed. But, um, I ended up having left knee quadricep tendon issues in my left knee, I think, cause I was compensating so long, um, for my right knee with my left knee. So then I developed a pretty severe case of like patellar tendonitis. for my right knee with my left knee. So then I developed a pretty severe case of like patellar tendonitis. And I just didn't want to, I wanted to get back to competing so bad that I was very impatient and very, you know, just young and kind of immature. And I ended up having surgery,

you know, two surgeries on my left quadriceps tendon that I probably did not need. It could have been rehabilitated properly without surgery. And actually Dr. Stone performed a surgery on my left knee that kind of really negatively affected the tendon. And I Dr. Stone performed a surgery on my left knee that kind of really negatively affected the tendon. And I'm still, still kind of affected by that. Like my left quadriceps tendon is still kind of, it's not, not a hundred percent and I still didn't have to work through it. So I've, he's, he's an amazing doctor, but one surgery he did on me just didn't was, I don't, I think it was very premature if that makes sense. Did you have to pay for that out of pocket?

Yeah, I paid. He doesn't take insurance. That guy's such an elite doctor. He, he literally only does cash. So yeah, I did. And you spend, how much did you spend over there? In total for both surgeries? Yeah. So he actually did surgery on my shoulder too. So he actually, he's done three knee surgeries on me. He did one on my right knee, a big one. And then he did two surgeries. One was a minor arthroscopy that didn't fix the issue that I was having in my, my quad tendon. So then he did another one

where basically he like sewed my tendon from top to bottom, kind of sandwiching it together. And on that same surgery, he also cleaned out my right shoulder. So I had two surgeries in one session. So a shoulder surgery and a knee surgery. He did both of them. In grand total, I probably spent like $50,000, $60,000. Wow. Yeah, I actually thought it was actually going to be more than that. Well, you know what? If I think about it, it probably was more.

I think, honestly, my meniscus transplant and ACL surgery, that might have been like $40,000 alone. But the other two surgeries I had from them weren't, were not as expensive because they weren't as extensive, but I'd say 60,000 at least if I, I mean, this was like five years ago. Honestly, I remember it was, it was not great. And I had to take a small loan from my dad to afford it. And I was ashamed of that because I pride myself on being a man, but honestly I needed, I needed some money. So my dad had to loan me a bit of money. Your dad was happy to do it. Let me tell you. I pride myself on being a man, but honestly, I needed some money, so my dad had to loan me a bit of money to have a surgery. Your dad was happy to do it, let me tell you.

Yeah, I paid him back, so we're all good now. My wife went to him. It's funny. I was going to start the show with the story about that particular incident, but my wife went to him, and basically what had happened is the surgeon, she was going to do the, the, the artificial meniscus. And because the fucking idiot surgeon before him cleaned the meniscus without telling her, meaning completely cut it away. There was nowhere to attach the artificial one. Yeah. Then she ended up go ahead please sorry no you go ahead i was just gonna say because i've dealt with so many doctors that you have to realize like people just automatically assume because someone's a doctor that they know what they're talking about but

that's not the case like there's good doctors and there's bad doctors just like there's not the case there's good trainers and bad trainers there's good doctors bad doctors so like i've dealt with bad doctors and i can i really have empathy for your wife and you know she almost had her leg amputated too because she ended up getting a cadaver meniscus not from him from someone else and it's really a horror story the reason why it happened but it was because the insurance wanted them to do even though they she had proof that her meniscus was gone in order to for your insurance to pay the doctor that was going to perform the surgery had to first go in and look yeah so when he went in and look that irritated the knee and then they put in the cadaver meniscus and she got an infection she was very close to having her

entire leg amputated it was a scary six months it was fuck yeah that is fucked up i'm sorry to hear that i'm sorry to go through that yeah insurance companies are fucked up too like i don't even want to get started on insurance that's why like i didn't mind paying whatever sixty thousand dollars you know i didn't care like i just wanted to get healthy and i knew that dr stone was the best doctor in the world to probably handle my particular surgery and i mean that was money well spent in my opinion um so you so you're so you're doing these you're doing the deadlifts did you ever backslide in that in that journey going from 500 to 600 did you ever like what like you know like you're three months in and you're excited and you go in one day and you're like oh fuck i can't even do what

i did last week no uh so i certainly had days workouts where they weren't as good as others but i'll put it this way. I never have bad workouts ever because I choose not to. Um, and like my attitude is I'm so thankful just to be able to work out that I never have bad workouts. And so, yeah, some days I didn't feel great or my back was a bit sore or I wouldn't feel as strong as I normally did, but you know, so fucking what, you know, just go there and persevere and get it done. And I hit my numbers. There were some days where I didn't get as many reps at the weight that I wanted to, but that's why I was getting coached. You know, like he would see my coach would see

what the, what the speed of the bar was that day. And he would make the call, you know, like, all right, we're going to do three reps at five 50 today, you know, and maybe I would only get one. If the bar wasn't moving as fast as it should have, he would say, call it. You're not fully recovered. We'll come back and we'll do it next week. And that's what we did. You know? So I don't, I don't have, I don't have bad workouts.

I just, every, every day I work out, I'm honestly very thankful that I can even do that. Yeah. There's that's true. Go ahead. Go ahead, Caleb. Let's hear it. There's fucking people all over the world that are sick dying stuck in wheelchairs they can't work out they give anything in the

world just to be able to work out all right you should never look at exercise as an obligation it's a privilege just remember you don't have to work out you fucking get to work out when when you um i i know you have a videographer that works from with you is that just um you worked out you had this thought and you call someone over and you're like hey film this and then you just go and you go off the cuff no hey john come here hey. Hey, John. I'll let you, I'll let you see my videographer. Come here, John. Yeah. J and show yourself. So this is, this is my brother and he's with me every day. We're basically partners. And so we actually worked together at a CrossFit gym where he was their photographer, barista, everything. But then he was extremely skilled, extremely skilled guy. And he was way underpaid and treated not well.

And so when I quit that gym and started working for myself, I just knew, all right, if I wanted to take myself seriously, if I wanted to grow and reach more people, then I need to start focusing on social media. And then I just hired him. Like I just, he just works for me full time. And so he comes with me everywhere. And so I can make content whenever I want, whenever I need to. And, uh, that's honestly a bit like, that was the second best thing I probably ever did when I started working for myself. The first thing, the first best thing was stopped working for anyone else, but by myself. And then the next best thing was hire John. Cause it's honestly it's had a an incredible impact on my reach and to help and impact more people because social media is so powerful these days and he must be pretty excited about the explosion on instagram too right it's it's a it's a metric of success yeah it's like it's not just me it's us so. So, you know, but I like,

but what we're most excited about is actually YouTube. So our main focus is YouTube and just growing on YouTube and building up a YouTube channel. But yeah, he's definitely excited. I mean, he's he's excited because a lot of our hard work is starting to pay off and obviously he's, you know, financially incentivized as well. So it's, it's, it's, I feel very, very fortunate, you know, to, to have him. So it's, it's, it's, I feel very, very fortunate, you know, to, to have him and also very fortunate to have a very supportive girlfriend that, you know, lets me live my life the way I want. So yeah, it's, it's, it's really good. Uh, it sounds like you have people around you who believe in you, which is always a theme that I

love. I love surrounding myself with people who believe in me. Yeah. Well, oddly enough, you know, I actually don't, I don't spend time with a lot of people. So I'm very particular about the people I spend time with. Um, cause I just haven't met a lot of like-minded people here in Dubai. Um, I mean, I don't let people get too close to me, but my girlfriend and John, they're like, they're basically with me all the time. And so I feel very fortunate to have that. And then my dad. Where's your dad live? He lives in Oklahoma.

Oh. dad live? He lives in Oklahoma. Oh, um, tell me what's going on. What, what, what, why, why, why is that such a, uh, a strong emotional force for you? I didn't really want to do this. I didn't mean to, uh, I'll just put it this way. My dad's given up a lot for me. And so, sorry, man, you just triggered something in me. I'm really sorry. I'm not, I'm happy to be here with you brother well i can't really put it into words but he basically put his entire life on hold for me and he moved me from alaska to oklahoma just to play football

quit his job and uh basically just did everything he could for me so anyways man i need to stop this i'm really sorry i'm kind of embarrassed about this to be honest but uh hey dude i have three boys uh two uh two six-year-old boys an eight-year-old boy i would do anything for them when you talk about your dad, I can, your dad will do anything for you. You know, I mean, clearly you know that. No, so yeah, it all worked out. Like he literally took me out of middle school, moved me to Oklahoma, just not knowing whether I'd be able to get a football scholarship or not.

It was a huge risk, quit his job. He had a really good job. Did everything. Quit everything. All just so I would have the opportunity to go play college football. And it worked. It did. You know, I was a good high school football player and I went and played D1 football. And he's just always been in my corner. And, you know, I don't really care what anyone thinks of me except except you know my family yeah so that must have put a shitload of pressure on you uh in in some ways for sure because i i never i never felt like i lived up to my potential especially not in college but you know then like

once i finished up college, like it was like a second chance. And then I got into CrossFit and then, uh, you know, I was honestly legitimately probably one of the top five fittest guys in the world. I won the Dubai fitness championship, you know, in 2014. And that's the last time I competed, man. So the last time I competed, I won one of the, you know, at that time that was the second biggest competition, fitness competition in the world. yeah yeah and so i won that and then basically you know my ability to compete was kind of taken away from me just because of all my injuries and so yeah there's just a lot of and i'm sorry you had to see that probably there's probably a

lot of uh emotion and you know that i've had've had to face a lot of adversity, you know, between now and then, you know, having 16 surgeries and, and all those kinds of things and still trying to battle back every time to just to be able to, you know, work out the way I want to work out and compete at the level that I truly know I'm able to. So yeah. Um, and I'm, I'm really sorry. I got triggered right there. That was, uh, apologies about that. Are you kidding me? I'm just patting myself on the back. The more people I can have cry on the show, the better, the more real I think. Hey, he didn't call me tubby. Shut your pie hole. How he didn't. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Yeah. So no, I'm,, but you, you're right. You, I think you are definitely the average of the five people you surround yourself with. And as, as I mentioned before,

I'm quite particular about who I spend time with. Like I, uh, I don't, I don't really drink alcohol or do anything like that. And I maintain a pretty high level of discipline in my life and most, most every areas. And, um, I think that's been a really big reason why I've, I've, I've kind of experienced, you know, the moderate amount of, I guess, growth or, you know, if you want to call it success, even that I have, I just, why are you staying in Dubai? Well, why are you doing it? You've been there 10 years now. It'll be, it's nine years. I've been in nine years. I like Dubai. It's, it's treated me very well. The quality of life here. It's, it's, I enjoy it. And I met my girlfriend here and I mean,

you know, we both like it here. She's from Australia. I'm from obviously the United States. So it's just, which is where we are in our, you know, in our lives at this moment. And I don't really feel the need to return to the United States. I go back there once or twice a year to visit my family. And I feel like I'm very, very privileged to live here. Like Dubai is a really, I love living here. It's great. I mean, it is a desert, you know, but it's a very, very convenient, very safe place to live, you know, and you can't clean, clean as shit. Yeah. It's clean. I mean, yeah, for the most parts that, I mean, there's, there's parts that maybe aren't as clean per se, but, uh, yeah, it's a very clean, safe, you know, very kind of

futuristic place. And I mean, I'm still kind of a younger adult, so it's, it's the right place for me where I'm at right now. And also John, I kept my, my, my videographer, you know, obviously he's here in Dubai. And so just kind of things have just worked out to where it's been conducive for me to stay here. I'm not saying I won't return to the United States or I won't go live somewhere else, but you know, Dubai is good to me. And you know, I earn, um, I make a living here just fine. So it, it, it just makes sense. And you're not really paying as much tax. There's, you know, you're kind of tax exempt over here. So that's, there's reasons I'm here for sure. Tanner, this is amazing and inspiring. I feel like we're in the same boat.

Thank you, Whitney. Thank you very much. She won the Dubai fitness championships in 2014 also. No, she did not. Jamie, Jamie Simmons won it, I remember. Oh, wow. Yeah, she actually just did the Dubai Fitness Championship, just wrapped up last weekend. She got, I think, honestly, she got fourth. I might be mistaken.

Did you attend that? You know, I would have, except my girlfriend, Tenika, was competing herself. So I was at a different fitness competition, you know, supporting her. In Dubai? Was it in Dubai? there as a spectator. I've been there as a judge. You know, I knew part of me wanted to be there, but you know, it's also kind of hard for me to be there because when I see other people, see other athletes competing and me not being able to compete, it's kind of hard to watch. It's like, I don't watch football anymore either. You know, like I can't watch football anymore

because I don't enjoy it, you know, but fitness, I still have a, I still love CrossFit. I still love competing. So I still have that desire to do that. So it was just good. I needed to be there to support my girlfriend. And I knew I could watch it on YouTube. So I'm not really, I wasn't really bothered. Christine Young, another one bites the dust. Yes, I am quite proud of my undefeated.

I tell the guests before, I said, at some point you have to cry or else i will not air the episode oh man i'm so embarrassed if you can edit that part out i'd be totally fine with that uh i want to show um this video it's called the hungry test oh the the protein test yeah it's the third one down caleb. This Instagram account is absolutely wonderful. If you're planning on getting off social media, why not just unfollow everyone, including your wife, your husband, and all your best friends, and just follow Tanner and just watch his videos every day, just one a day. I mean, you can't go wrong. Go ahead, Taylor. This is great. I appreciate that.

a day. I mean, you can't go wrong. Go ahead, Taylor. This is great. How to decipher between true hunger and a craving. Take the protein test. If you're willing to eat pure protein as in a piece of chicken, fish or steak, you're actually hungry. But if a pure protein meal doesn't sound appetizing, you're not really hungry. You're just bored, emotional or having a craving. The protein test works for everyone, and it's a great way to build a healthier relationship with food so you can avoid overeating and not feeling like a fat sack of shit. I absolutely love that. Tell me how you came to that realization. Well, it's, man. That's just through your own experience. You're like, yeah,

I've just, I've just honed in on kind of developing a very, I consider it an extremely healthy relationship with food, but you know, other, my others may consider it unique, I suppose, but that's true. You know, it's, it's a hundred percent true people. So many people, and that's why the world is in an obesity epidemic. They eat for pleasure too much and they do not eat for purpose enough, you know, and humans were animals like any other animals, but did you know humans and animals domesticated by humans are the only animals in the world that suffer from obesity. And that's purely because we have, we have a incredibly unhealthy relationship with food and we look at food as entertainment, you know, and not to say

you can't have food for entertainment. You absolutely can, but you can't do it all the time. I mean, when you do it all the time, you just end up eating for pleasure and you overeat. And that's why people get fat. You know, they're eating obviously more calories than they're burning. And, you know, it's, it's literally that simple. So you can ask yourself this question. All right. If I'm hungry, I think I'm hungry. All right. Am I hungry enough to eat a piece of pure protein? Am I hungry enough to eat, you know, a piece of chicken or a piece of steak? You know, if that doesn't sound appetizing, then are you really hungry? No, you're absolutely not hungry. You're fucking bored, emotional. You're just having a craving and you're looking for something you know to do you're just looking

for entertainment if you're not hungry enough to eat pure protein you're not fucking hungry like that's that's that's literally the the truth it's you know and that's why people overeat they're just out of boredom you know or they're stressed or they're coping for something and they need to recognize that. Would you be willing to eat a piece of chicken right now? And no matter what, start making that every time before you eat, pull that piece of paper out and read that. Yeah. I've actually, there's a, there's. And you've built like a meditation gap in there, right? You've built yourself a little space before you take that handful of M&Ms or

those chocolate covered raisins. No, I mean, if you go ahead, sorry. No, no, that's it. That's it. I was just going to say, I tell people all the time to ask themselves like, you know, a few questions before they eat, I mean, if you go ahead, sorry. No, no, that's it. That's it. I was just going to say, I tell people all the time to ask themselves like, you know, a few questions before they eat, you know, every time you sit down and eat and have a meal, you need to ask yourself, especially if you have goals to lose weight or improve your body composition, you should ask yourself, why am I eating this? And then what is this meal about to do for my body? What is it

going to do for my body? And then ask yourself, is this meal that I'm about to eat? Is that going to get me closer to my goals or further away from my goals? You know, if you could just sit down and ask yourself those three questions, take 10 seconds to do that, that'll change your relationship with food or just give yourself a protein test and like say, all right, am I hungry enough to eat pure protein? If the answer is yes, then go eat protein. All right. Don't eat, don't, Don't go eat some low-quality shit food. You're not doing yourself any favors by doing that, especially if you want to get healthier or improve your body composition.

Yeah. It's that thought that you're hungry that I think that most people don't even witness. Yeah, they don't even recognize it. It's probably a misnomer even to say I'm hungry because, like you were saying, it's I'm bored or it's something else that's not even hunger that's triggering you. And you've built the habit of walking into the kitchen and grabbing a handful of something. What it is, is just people are looking for a hit of dopamine. That's all it is. You know, like that's what drives all human behavior is just dopamine mainly. That's the main neurotransmitter that, you know, affects drives human behavior.

And you can get dopamine from numerous different ways. You know, obviously exercise, having sex, drinking alcohol, doing drugs, eating something sweet, eating something salty. Those are all things trigger dopamine in the brain. And so when people get bored, you know, they can't have sex or they can't work out or they just, you know, it ran out of stuff to watch on television. It's like, Oh, I'll go eat some shit food. They're just trying to get a hit of dopamine. They just don't realize it.

I think I was in, I think was in dubai speaking of sex and i think i remember that i couldn't go to a porn site in my hotel room like you can't even watch porn there right like like all that shit's just blocked well yeah you can't i mean i mean a friend told did i say i i went to a porn site sorry one of my friends went to a porn you'd never do that you'd never know you just need a vpn yeah yeah i i couldn't even figure that shit out i'm like i'm just going to bed yeah that's that good for you i've lived here for nine years and honestly i can say i've i've never had a vpn good on you i've had a girlfriend and my left hand and i've been good to go awesome keep that imagination working strong why why lean on yeah um uh how about can you play the um the quit drinking one also uh caleb tanner is this okay that we're going through your instagram and absolutely man i'm honestly i'm i'm uh honored you

actually have consumed this much of my content. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Genuinely appreciate it. As hard as you work out, I prepare for my podcast. And I could just pick the guests I like. It's like free education for me. I pick a guest. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is awesome. I'm going to learn all about this guy.

I'm going to steal all this guy's best shit. Okay, action. So when I quit drinking, my life got exponentially better. It cleared my head and allowed me to focus more on my professional and personal goals. I can train harder than ever and make consistent progress, and I never feel like I'm going in circles like most people. Imagine what you could do if you quit drinking. Maybe you'd quit making bad decisions, eat less shit food, lose weight, get stronger, build confidence, be more productive, get your dream body. Get your dream girl to actually notice who you are. Maybe you could actually get laid without needing alcohol.

Holy fuck, what a novel idea. So here's my challenge to you. Cut out all alcohol for 30 days and watch how your life improves. Just two suggestions. Find a girlfriend that isn't crazy and be selective of the people you spend time with. Hang out with like-minded people that have similar goals and interests. And if all else fails, just stay home and jerk off.

By the way, I think when Tanner says find a girlfriend who's not crazy, that goes for boys too, or girls too. find a boyfriend that's not crazy. Unfortunately, it definitely resonates with me more to find a – to what he said because, unfortunately, I feel like a lot of my guy friends have hooked up with crazy chicks. But after a while – I have too. I think it happens to lots well it doesn't happen to guys like me consider yourself lucky good looking guys with nice bodies get crazy girlfriends i think that's one of the down one of the the things that sucks about being handsome and having a nice body have you heard that there's like that sliding scale like the hotter more sexy

is the more crazy yeah so yeah i you know i don't think there's i don't think i don't i don't i never had i don't really get crazy yeah you could argue you could argue there's validity in that for sure i mean either way i think it's it's best that you find a partner that is like-minded that is loving and that you genuinely get along with like i'm i'm super lucky like my girlfriend's like my best friend so you know it's it's it's incredible lucky listen listen uh don't don't act like i drink a lot i'm just i'm in newport beach for two weeks and i'm just it just so savannah where are you based most of the time normally santa cruz california oh man amazing uh my goal if i if i do actually do move back to the United States, I think I want to be in California.

It's nice. Oh, I would highly suggest you check out Florida. Yeah. It would be somewhere on the coast, somewhere where the weather's warm. I'm not really a fan of cold weather anymore. Yeah. I think – go ahead, Caleb. So just move to Nebraska.

There's no rules there. Just really – Can't move Caleb. So just move to Nebraska. There's no rules there. And I've been, I've been through Nebraska, Nebraska. It's, it's, it's nice, but it's kind of similar to Oklahoma, except I think it gets colder up there. It can get cold up there for sure. Listen guys, I'm in Newport for two weeks. I'm just, I'm just having a bloody Mary and I'm, and I'm, but I still fasted on my, did my 36 hour fast, my week, my weekly 36 hour fast, but like, I'm, and I'm, but I still fasted on my, did my 36 hour fast, my week, my weekly 36 hour fast.

But like, I'm giving it, cut me some slack. Jeez. You just go hammer some white claws, man. How many people, one night we did a,

a podcast just impromptu. And there was, when I came to the house, there was a white claw in the fridge and I drank it on the air. And usually, and now I'm having to eat my, eat my shit because everyone saw me eat a drink, a whiteana yeah well i'll be 100 honest like i don't drink only i'm only with a very few select people it's mainly just my college buddies so it's like that that's like the only time you'll

really get me to drink because i mean of course everyone enjoys drinking that's why people do it but uh you know i think the repercussions just aren't worth it especially not i mean not if you really value your health and if you take training really seriously it's not really conducive for that for most people it's probably okay but not for me personally no i agree i i i i think it's um i think drinking should be seen as the same ways like people view ayahuasca or like these you know theoretically therapeutic uh hallucinogenics but like when i when i drink i like to i drink so that i'll run outside naked in the rain i like to use the drug and not let the drug use me i'm not interested in sitting around uh drinking and and not exploring some new

avenue i really i just remember that in college i was saying well if going to get drunk, I'm running out in the street naked. Or I'm going to do something. I'm going to climb a tree that I should not be climbing. Or some shit. I want to do some crazy shit. I saw it as kind of medicinal. I want to think of alcohol as medicinal. Like to explore something new.

You can certainly think of it like that. And I mean, alcohol, I think it means different things to different people for sure. It's obviously the most widely abused way to get in an altered state of mind. But I wouldn't consider it healthy per se, like in no ways it actually good for your health, good for your brain, good for your body, you know? And if you say you need, you need it to be healthy, like, you know, you don't, it's need it to be healthy like oh you know you don't it's it's not it's it makes humans less resilient you know i mean i i heard that recently on an andrew humor and podcast like he's done a lot of research on that guy's far more intelligent than

i am i mean he's telling people you know like even so much as like one drink a week anything more than that can have you know detrimental effects on your health now are they major detrimental effects probably not and you're probably totally fine but well especially with people who are consuming shit loads of sugar and not sleeping and not working out it's just fucking a gasoline on the fire right there's yeah for sure and like people drink alcohol to get in the altered state of mind to feel better but in a way all you're really doing is you're borrowing happiness from tomorrow from the next day because the repercussions of a hangover you know that to me just not worth it anymore not worth it uh yes jeffrey i do have my limits i do unfortunately

alcohol is a crutch for me when i want to run around outside before i take a shower i need to be drunk i don't want to see myself naked. How come you're not covered in, how come you're not covered in tats tattoos? Do you have any tattoos? No, I do not have tattoos. You know, the most rebellious I've ever gotten is I have a bad haircut and I just, I got a, I got a nose ring earlier this year. I don't really know why I did. I think it was because I was at my buddy's wedding and it was, uh, I saw everyone, these, everyone there with nose rings and my other buddy who I really like and look up to. And he's just a total badass. He had a nose ring. I was like, all right, if he got one, I'm fucking getting one. So no tattoos, but, uh, I do have a nose ring and a bad haircut. Can you get tattoos in Dubai? Do they have tattoos?

Yeah, you did not. Again, I'm not the most informed person to know this but i i you can get tattoos here whether it's legal or not i don't know but i know you can get a tattoo here for sure if you know the right people i'm not sure i mean maybe it's opened up now maybe you can legally i'm not really sure have you ever seen a snot bubble come out of that hole uh like you sneeze or you laugh and you try to hold it in and like a snot bubble blows out of there not yet because mainly i always have the nose ring in so like the the holes i guess plugged per se not to say it won't happen but uh i've definitely had a lot of snot you know come out of my nose especially when i'm exercising so that that happens all the time i've had a nose

ring before it was cool bruce it was cool. What the fuck are you talking about? Bruce way. Well, I appreciate you telling me that so far. Do you have any tattoos? No, me? Yeah, no. Yeah. So I'm not, that's, that's the, that's the one thing I, I just don't know anything I'd want to put on my body that I want there forever. I lost my virginity when I was 18 and I've been coasting ever since.

I just, I had a very low, uh, low, low goals for me in life. I was like, you're set then you're set. You're a handsome guy and you're obviously doing good things. So that's like, you know what you're doing. Speaking about me being a handsome guy. I'm glad you brought that up. I was actually thinking the bar has been set so low for for attractiveness because there are so many unattractive people let me define attractive first

attractive um meaning someone who has the mindset to improve themselves day in and day out and therefore you see the manifestation in their body their their demeanor towards other human beings the bar has been set so low that even like a guy like me who's like five five and like a seven on my best day like it should just be raining pussy on me it's not and i'm and i'm married i don't need it to be i don't want it to be but i'm kind of sometimes surprised when i go out not and i'm and i'm married i don't need it to be i don't want it to be but i'm kind of sometimes surprised when i go out that like i'm not like the fucking beatles like they're like oh my god look a guy who stands upright yeah whose shoulders are water are broader than his hips i mean it should just be like caleb yeah caleb should walk outside and

just be like oh i don't know if i can go to the store why not because fuck it's going to be raining pussy on me i'm just i i'm part joking but part not like well i should be able to just roll into nebraska and just be like hey i don't care i'm a 22 year old girl but i don't care that he's 50 and like you know he's mobile he's not in a wheel like i went to disneyland and every chick there should have been trying to fuck me i'm not sure i'm sure you want to be fucking girls at disneyland no i don't but i should have at least had some people like can i get your number or like bump me in their cart and like grab my ass like there should have been something

what do you look like what do you look like with your shirt off who me yeah uh not like you i'll show you what i look like i'll show you what i look like without my i look good with my clothes on i look fucking amazing that's all right lift up your shirt yeah that's all right you know i got like i got like probably like 20 straight pull-ups if you were over here in a pinch okay that's yeah yeah that's legit then for sure you can wake me up in the middle of the night i could do a ring muscle-up just cold from the l-sit position i never kept a ring muscle-up all right yeah well then amen it should be it should be raining pussy on you then what's going on yeah yeah thank you thank you yeah Caleb, what are you going to say about it raining pussy on you?

Tell me. Please tell me you have a good story here. I'm too short. I know I'm too short. I know. I know. I am too short. That is.

That's why I don't go to bars. No one's ever like, oh, look, the five foot five guy. No. They card you at the bar because you can't see over it probably. Yeah. I was walking around just like in the city dubai uh he's in the middle east in an undisclosed location caleb's deployed right now by the way tanner okay okay um but like some we're just walking around and then you just have like people walking by and they're like staring at us because i'm the largest human

they've ever seen yeah and well i can't say that's true anyway whatever um the and then like these like two larger women were like walking by and they just like were just staring at me like i fucking you and i'm like and so me just being a nice guy i just looked at them and like smiled and like yeah just kept walking and as i'm walking by i just hear they go yeah i'm like what the fuck and i left it left. I need to get out of here. Were they wearing the burkas? Were they wearing the sheets, the ninja outfits? Yes.

They were. You just climbed under one of those. A bias, man. A bias. Savon, did you ever consider risers for your shoes? No. I'm a barefoot guy. It sucks. I can't even get... I got gnome feet, so I always have to wear like really wide,

flat shoes. There's nothing that can help me. That works. You know, I've noticed a lot of guys doing that too. I, uh, I was at a fitness expo risers. Yeah. Like a few weeks ago. And I noticed like some big time fitness influencers, they were all wearing these certain type of shoes that made them probably at least an inch or two taller you know so like i mean that's obviously it's a that's an option you know if you want to look taller than you are because women you know you can studies have shown this the women are generally just more attracted to taller taller guys don't give me your study shit it's just a fucking fact all right it is a fact i agree i. I'm agreeing. I mean, I wish I was, I'm attracted to taller guys. I want my friends to be tall.

I don't, I, I, if you're shorter than me, you can't be friends with me. Yeah. All my best friends. I can beat you up.

You have no value to me as a human. There you go. You know, but, uh, yeah, that's, uh,

honestly, I've actually made a piece of content about that recently. How, you know, men that take better care of themselves, obviously they're going to have a much easier time getting laid than guys that don't. And it's purely from a woman's perspective, they're looking for a mate, you know, based on like survival, like they're going to, they want the fittest male they possibly can, because that's going to allow

that woman to have the best chance at reproducing and surviving. And it's all evolutionary. Like we're humans are hardwired like that. So, you know, you can't really control your height, but you can control your weight, you know, and how healthy you are. And so, dude, if you, if you want to gain confidence and get girls or, you know, get acknowledged by girls, man, just fucking take care of yourself. That's probably the single best thing you can do, you know, and that that's, that's within your control. That's probably the single best thing you can do, you know, and that's within your control.

Will you play that clip down there at the bottom, Caleb? Get girls. With a U, get girls. Do you laugh at it? Because I'm just pecking away at my keyboard. You must see a lot of crazy shit in my notes, huh, Caleb? It's almost like English is a second language to me. It's way easier to get laid if you're fit and healthy. And I don't care how much money you have or how funny you are.

Case in point, Seth Rogen and Vince Vaughn probably look good to most women because they're charming and funny, right? That's until Ryan Reynolds and The Rock walk by. Why is this true? Because women are biologically programmed to be attracted to the most fit and healthy males. As they inherently know, that gives them the best chance for reproduction and survival. Humans are hardwired like this. So if you're funny but fat, you're stuck in the friend zone. Or if you're fat but you got money, you're paying for sex.

But if you're fit and healthy, you'll still get girls. Even if you're broke. I mean, just look at most bodybuilders. Now, if you're fit, healthy, and got money, you can get any girl. Being funny is just a plus. But if you're fat and broke, you're basically fucked. Tanner, I was after after I was I was an undergrad for seven years at UC Santa Barbara, and then my parents stopped paying for my shit and I ended up becoming homeless. And I basically, I lived on the streets for a couple of years there and I, then I moved into a car and during that time, all I did every day was work out and play Frisbee. I bet you got a lot of pussy though.

Oh bro. Yeah. Oh bro. Yeah. That's dude. That's that dude. That's crazy, man.

Crazy. I was just nice. Yeah. Played Frisisbee i never had my shirt on i just i was barefoot everywhere and it was just and i was in a college town and people just that's just honestly human behavior man it's just the way it just rained rained at all yeah rained all good relationships too no like 10 girlfriends at the same time. I loved every one of them. Like fucking hair, like a harem,

just like holy and broke as fuck. Like, like lit in my pockets. Yeah. Well, that's dude, that's the same man. Like it's crazy.

If you're, if you're, this is, I'm not, not to offend anyone. It's just facts, man. If you're a decently attractive guy and you're healthy,

dude, you're not, you're going to have a way bigger advantage with women than if you're not healthy. It's just, that's just, that's, that's human behavior. One-on-one it's simple. So simple. I'm happy for you, man. I bet that was a probably, probably good time in your life. Oh, it was great. And then, and then I'm, what's funny is I met my wife, my current wife then, and then she just kind of culled the herd. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Rick Ross has a, like Rick Ross has a word for that. Like the mate, she became the main bitch. She just like slowly. Just like that's I've, I've figured out. And I'm not saying this, but I've, I've been a fairly promiscuous person at times in my life as well. But I realized like, I don't really like being around. I don't like waking up next to women. Once I found a girl I like waking up next to, then I knew I was like, all right, you know what? I'm just going to stick with this one. Cause it's all, everything else is just kind of a waste of

time. Like it's easy to go out and chase pussy. But at the end of the day, it's kind of kind of an empty feeling once you do it enough and the novelty kind of wears off. And when you know you can get girls, it's like, all right, there's no challenge in that. And I think it's way better and way more fulfilling to find someone like your wife or someone that you genuinely enjoy being around that can also be your friend. My crowning achievement is my relationship with my wife. It is the singular greatest achievement I have in my life, my relationship with my wife. I'm so fucking proud and happy with it. It's fucking awesome.

That is fucking awesome because it's hard to do. Hard, yes, hard. Very hard. Yeah. Many, many people get together. They get married, and I think the divorce rate's over 50%. But, man, if you can find a person that you genuinely enjoy being around like all the time you need to hold on to that person you know and if they give you pussy on the side that's just a plus totally totally all right the total

was tanner is a coxman i think that's the guy who rides in a boat when's the last time i was on a boat i was actually on a boat a couple months ago. I was sailing up in Spain with my buddy Albert. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it was. But I wouldn't consider myself a coxswain. Definitely not. Maybe it used to be, but I've also discovered when you're single and you're going out all the time and chasing pussy and things like that, you're a lot less focused.

And obviously you're… Oh, it was a waste of time. It was a complete waste of time. Yeah. You're a lot less focused and you're obviously probably drinking a lot more alcohol, spending a lot more money, staying a lot, staying up late. And it's, it's not conducive for productivity or being a fit and healthy person. You know, what's interesting is I've had some pretty gnarly guys on the show and a couple of them have told me um do you know who nikki rod is the jujitsu guy nikki rodriguez i've you know i i do not apologize that's okay no it's okay a lot of jujitsu it's a really he's a he's a huge fish in a really niche genre. I would consider CrossFit, Jiu-Jitsu, strongman.

I feel like those are all kind of niche, kind of fringe sports. But yeah, they're definitely big in their own right, for sure. That's him there in the middle. Okay. Nicky Rot. And he's in – Next to the Lever King. Yeah.

And he's in – he kind of exploded on the scene. He was training with the most famous Jiu-jitsu guy in the world, Gordon Ryan, and then they had a falling out, and the camp split into two. And now he has this group called B-Team in Austin. Too much detail, but anyway. Yeah, I've heard of B-Team in Austin, so I'm somewhat aware of this guy. So I had him on the show, and I said, how do you stay so focused on your training? How do you – like you're your training um uh how do you like you're young how are you not like getting distracted by girls and chasing girls and he's

and he said dude i'm like what he's like look at me i'm like yeah i see you you're fucking amazing and he goes i don't chase girls ever guys like me don't go after girls ever and then i've heard that a few other times from from i'm like this is a guy who fights every day and you see his training videos and it's it looks horrible just just the most gentlest thing he does looks horrible yeah and i was like wow i i fuck i really fucked up 20 years of my life chasing girls yeah there he is with uh yeah um uh what's the ufc fighter the heavyweight yeah that's probably the that guy he's on his back is probably the fourth toughest guy on the fucking planet yeah probably i think a lot of guys are like that you know when you're kind of in your like the upper echelons of your to the alpha yeah

yeah in a way you don't really have to chase girls. Like, and I'm not saying this in any way either, but like, I've never really gone out of my way to chase women either. Um, you know, and if you're looking for it, you'll find it. It's it'll, it'll come to you. But I've also discovered just having a girlfriend for me is one of the best things I've ever done. It's just allowed me to be so much more focused, you know, and again, being able to be just a better person as well. I don't, I think chasing women when you're young, I think people need to go through that. You need to do that. And that's a part of life that you probably need to experience, but then you kind of realize what's important. And yeah, it's like all that shit's just a distraction, man. It's like, it really is. Like if you have,

if you're serious about your goals and you have ambitions, women can definitely get in the way of that if you let them, but just, you know, you don't need to trace them. By the way, the way I heard you say that is it's not the women's fault. It's if you let them, it's up to you. Yeah. No, you have to agree. It's not that women are bad. Yeah.

No, no, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I actually made a piece of content today that was very pro women. Um, but I'm a firm believer that everything in life is a choice, you know, and I think a big problem with most people is they don't realize that and they never, they never take a responsibility for their life. But if you think about it, you are where you are. Everyone is where they are in their life because of every choice they've made up until this point of their life. And so I think, you know, definitely you, you have the ability to take control of your life at any time.

You just have to choose to do that. And, you know, obviously chasing women or not is a choice for sure. I do, I do put, I do put in the hierarchy, chasing women is way better than watching porn. Like sitting around and watching porn is just stupid. You're not sure you're chasing women. At least you're sharpening some skillset porn. You're not sure.

You're getting some kind of human interaction. No, you're really not. I mean, I think there's been a huge movement towards that. Like stop watching porn. I think it's like the no FOP movement, you know,

but it's FOP stand for, I honestly, I can't remember, but it's, it's the, it's an acronym spelled N Oo-f-a-p i can't even remember what what that what it stands for but basically it's the movement to stop watching porn um it's either stop watching porn or stop jerking off i can't i can't remember

s-j-o-r-o-o-s-w stop watching porn s-w-p good start uh matt magnus home no i apologize for the title of this uh podcast i really it's my fault but uh i'm late to the show based on statistics all guys without shirts on the show is not natty is this the same here no no this guy's natty no fap an online community with thousands of members who practice avoiding all forms of artificial sexual stimulation well fuck yeah then i couldn't wear underwear when i put my underwear on i get stimulated fuck this is definitely this is definitely the best podcast i've ever been on savannah you're you're you're i really appreciate you having me on man thank you i'm glad you're here you're the fucking man i'll i'll say yeah

i'm not a i could not be a part of the no fop movement um either uh personally i don't watch porn i don't really take the time to watch porn but i mean well you can't your king won't let you i don't need to she yeah she's i'm very fortunate i have uh a healthy sex life thankfully fantastic yeah it's yeah yeah that's it's that's good on that and but uh i think humans are meant to do that you know like that that's like a primal urge that you know should not be ignored i mean having sex is what makes us human having sex is what makes humans like we're supposed to do that so even even jerking off like i think that's

i don't think that's frowned upon but i don't think it really should be like that's something that every guy does if he says he doesn't he's a fucking liar um my views on masturbation are have kind of evolved i think it's like um what you're saying about food too so i i don't think it should be um impulsive like just because like you're like you want to jerk off i don't think you should i think it's like one of those things like you should let rise like five times you know like when you're sitting somewhere and you you know like those people it's like dude you're just shut the fuck up you're saying everything that comes out of your mouth like only say every fifth thought like probably like i don't need to

know every single fucking thing you're thinking jerking off like that too just because you want to jerk off like hey maybe you should do 10 push-ups or maybe it shouldn't i don't need to know every single fucking thing you're thinking. Jerking off is like that too. Just because you want to jerk off, like, hey, maybe you should do 10 pushups. Or maybe it shouldn't – I don't think it's – you should allow it to become an impulse. Yeah, well said. Like an impulse spend. Like you're just on Amazon. You feel like you have to buy something. Yeah, but to not do it at all, to completely not do it at all, I think is – No, it's medicinal.

You need some. Yeah. Like, it's medicinal. You need some. Yeah. Like for sure. Like if you told me to go 30 days without busting a nut, I mean, I know I could do it because I'm a mentally strong and disciplined guy, but then I would just be like, why? Like, why? Why? Like, what purpose does this serve?

You know, it's like. I went two months once. Why? I'm curious why. I'm just, so it was, I was just young and I wanted to experiment and I was in college and I kept a pair of 20 pound dumbbells next to my bed. And so like, because two months is a long time. That's a really long time.

It's like any time I would want, like anything would happen. Like if the middle of the night I woke up and I thought I, like I just couldn't't keep my hands on myself i would just get up and do a bunch of sets with the 20 pound dumbbells and my shoulders got crazy developed in those two months but my theory was is i could take the blood out of my penis and bring it up to my shoulders i mean i just made that shit up myself you know what i mean yeah i mean that's again that's that's that's not bad logic i think that's kind of sound in a way but I feel like you're just like depriving yourself of basically a fundamental human need. Yeah. Just an experiment. It was just an experiment. And then, you know what,

well, you know, what happened is the, the, the, the guy who delivers weed to my house at that point, he had sent his girlfriend over to my house to drop the weed off. I think, what was her name? Kendall kendall and i she was just a friend there was never anything between us what was she looking pretty good by the end of that 60 days it had been two months and next thing i know we're in the fucking shower just getting crazy i don't even know how it fucking happened oh man see dude yeah that's dude that's that's hormones right there man that's literally that's that's purely hormones that's like right there, man. Literally, that's purely hormones.

That's like testosterone-driven behavior for sure. It was fucking nuts. It was just like we just started coiling like snakes. And next thing I know, we're like in the bathroom and then in the shower. And the grossest shower too, you know, like the shower at your college house. Yeah, for sure. That was kind of a buzz. But it probably didn't matter too much.

I mean, humans are going to do what they're gonna do man and i fell in love with her and then the dope dealer he he hated me yeah i could yeah hopefully you find a new dope dealer he hated me uh imagine going two months uh without it from covid oh really oh yeah philip was in the hospital this this guy got covid and got hospitalized yeah that would be rough that yeah i feel for you there philip that would be if you're like literally too sick or stuck in a hospital so you're not able to jerk off i guess there's there's certainly circumstances that would you know dictate that that would be yeah if i was in the hospital i'd be like man all i want to do is go home and bust a nut yeah i'm thinking that

for sure i think that almost always anyway yeah that'd be rough man I'd be like, man, all I want to do is go home and bust a nut. Yeah. I think that for sure. I think that almost always anyway. Yeah. That'd be rough, man. That'd be rough. Hey, so just a quick question, if I may, how did you get, how did you get started? And forgive me, I don't know this better, but how did you get started with CrossFit and how did you end up making all, you know, basically the like documentaries and all that kind of stuff?

I've always wanted to know, I've known who you are, but never knew how you got your start. I've always wanted to know. I've known who you are, but never knew how you got your start. So during that period that I was homeless and I was just barefoot and just cruising around, there was a home for developmentally disabled adults that I would walk by every day in Isla Vista, California. And I would just walk by there barefoot with my friends, you know, whatever, smoking weed, throwing a Frisbee, hanging out, holding hands with girls. And one day I thought, and I just, I was in a pretty profound deep state of love like always and and i was really working on myself it was like during my like i'm going to take full responsibility and at that point i kind of realized that if i was open to it that the world would conspire to help me and always bring good things to me but i had to be open to it and not

interrupt the process and i walked by that house one day and i was like fuck i could really love on these adults here like i may have something i could truly offer to these people so i went in there and i got the job and which was crazy because i did the interview barefoot and i was just a homeless guy and i started making 77 dollars and 25 cents an hour and at that point i'd saved up shitloads of money. And by shitloads, I mean like $7,000, like a consultation with Dr. Stone. Yeah, yeah.

And I bought a video camera, and then it just took off from there. At that point, about a year after I bought the video camera from Circuit City, I just wanted to, I thought it'd be cool to have a video camera and just film stuff. And that was when you put in the cassette tapes and then all of a sudden i heard apple was coming out with a computer and editing software i bought a car i plugged my

girlfriend helped me uh you know lent me some money i bought a car plugged the computer into the cigarette lighter and just every night started editing and then next thing i know i'm living out of a car making commercials and TV shows. And I started making this, I was still homeless and I was making these arm wrestling shows for ESPN. And there, this is in 2005 or six. And there, there was a guy who was crazy buff and crazy fit. And I go, what do you do to stay fit? He said, I do this thing called CrossFit. And he started telling me the workouts. And I told one of the producers at the time, I said, it's such a shame that someone could be so fit and lie about their workouts. Because he said he did like 100 pull-ups and shit, right?

Yeah. Like this is bullshit. Yeah. And then I looked. And my buddy's like, you know, we were just fucking two guys who like to hang out on the beach and be homeless. And so we started going to the rec center at UC Santa Barbara and started just trying to figure out on the beach and be homeless and so we started going to the uh to the rec center at uc santa barbara and started just trying to figure out what crossfit is and then i sent uh 2006 i sent uh or my buddy sent greg he's like hey i basically said hey let's see if we can get

a job with these people making videos for them their videos suck they have like four videos on their site and they're horrible this is when no one even wanted to put videos on the internet because it's kind of like the early days of the internet and it's still that's crazy and so we um he he typed out a letter to greg and lauren um i reviewed it he sent it we went over there we asked him for a half million dollars to make videos for him he said absolutely not but i'll give you a free l1 seminar i went to my l1 had my fucking head exploded open yeah and uh i couldn't i couldn't believe i couldn't fucking believe what i was being told and and that i hadn't thought of it myself and uh for the next year i worked for greg and lauren and crossfit for free and i just traveled around the united states filming seminars and man that's

incredible next thing i know i'm running the entire media filming seminars. And man, that's incredible. Next thing I know, I'm running the entire media department. Yeah, that's, that's, that's incredible. Right. And I was like you, I'm very, very disciplined. And like, I love working. I just, I just love, I want to grind. Evident, evident with what you do. And like, that's something that I feel so fortunate about.

And I mean, obviously you've experienced this as well, but I feel so fortunate to be able to do what I love doing and to be able to do something I'm so passionate about because I would be doing this regardless, you know, like health and fitness is all I'll ever do. I know that for sure. You know, and some, some shape or way or form like just health and fitness. And every day I wake up and I'm fucking hungry to go to go to go to work and do something so it's yeah man that's that's a really cool story really and you're doing it it's crazy you're doing it and dude you're contributing to the uh greater good of the

planet like your message don't ever let anyone i i don't know if you get this but sometimes people will say hey tell me hey i agree with everything you say. I don't like your delivery. And it's like, I hear you and I understand you and I feel you, but there's some people who do need my delivery. So maybe my delivery is not going to be the most popular. Maybe it's not going to be blah, blah, blah. I don't want to, my goal isn't to alienate people. I hope I'm not pushing people away from being healthy but um the people who do hear it the people who do there are people who are obese who need you to say hey motherfucker if you want pussy you better stop eating sugar and working out five times a week and yeah like if you can save one person's life like that that's and honestly man just especially lately i've been

getting overwhelmed with just positive messages saying, you know, what a positive impact I've had on people. And I've literally, they told me that I've changed their lives. And I know, I know I'm not for everyone for sure, but I literally say what I think in my head and I put it out there and you can look at it how you want, but I've always tried to put out a positive and uplifting message i may put it in a way that you may not like to hear it but you know if you get down to the root of it it's to take control of your life be healthy you know and and if you do that i mean honestly dude you're gonna be happy so it's i appreciate your comment fuck that sugar yeah fuck that sugar uh eat pussy not sugar okay i'll i'll well said well

said i'll take that into uh consideration um i want to play one you got time for one more video to show yeah man i got all the time in the world i'm still i can't believe i'm on your podcast still man this has been this has been great i didn't know really i don't even i didn't this has been great play whatever you want uh it's the one uh right above uh mr beaver um get girls it just says fat do you see it yes you're a good dude how lucky am i that the guy my uh co-host on the podcast his last name is beaver it's like touches the 12 year old boy and he's just like non-stop see beaver see beaver now that's true i just don't realize that lucky dude obese people can make every excuse in the world while they're fat and unhealthy.

But when you cut through all the bullshit, it boils down to one thing, choice. Healthy people don't have to be healthy. They choose to be healthy. Just like fat people don't have to be fat. They choose to be fat. No one forces you to overeat on shit food or drink too much alcohol.

No one forces you to sit on your ass and never exercise. You do that willingly. And if the truth hurts, too fucking bad. Because it's better to piss you off with the truth rather than deceive you with bullshit and excuses. Live in reality. Your lifestyle and consequently your health is a fucking choice. Bam. It's, uh, yeah.

Isn't that crazy that people, even to make yourself unhealthy, you have to choose that path. Because if you just did nothing, nothing would happen. But those people are actually choosing to go down a bad path. They are. They may not realize it at that point. They may not realize they're choosing it. Maybe people will blame it on their parents or realize they're choosing it. Maybe people will blame it on, you know, their parents or where they're brought up or big boned. Yeah. Big boned

or, you know, they can't afford to eat healthy food. There's all kinds of excuses in all of that kind of stuff, you know, but literally when you cut through that, when you cut through the bullshit and excuses, everything in your life is a choice. I mean, you choose to wake up every day. You choose to get dressed. You choose to go to work or all that kind of stuff. Like you choose to put that food in your mouth. You know, no one is forcing you to do anything. No one's holding a gun to your head.

Say, Hey, eat this fucking donut. You know, eat this bowl of sugary cereal. Those are all choices that you make every day, you know, and people just, they do it mindlessly. Most humans, they eat mindlessly without realizing it. But again, it's due to, it really just comes down to choice and you can literally take control of your health at any point. And there's reasons for all of this. But like I said, when you really cut through it all, if someone that's fat and obese, when they cut through it, it's all about taking personal responsibility and making a choice to be healthier. When you break it down to its simplest form, it really is that easy. Yeah, it is. He just told you that if you're not sure if you're hungry or not or you want to do the hunger test just are you willing to eat a chicken breast right now and i said this

one time on my show and i got a bunch of pushback on it and it's fucking hilarious but um for me when i want to drink alcohol if i just eat a piece of fruit that craving to drink alcohol immediately goes away a hundred percent it's not even there a little bit which makes me realize i'm not even chasing the alcohol i was chasing the sugar content in the alcohol and you give those tools or i say hey all you have to do for dessert for your for your kids third birthday party don't buy a fucking cake get a bunch of frozen berries and some hat and some heavy cream and make and pour it on the berries and pat every kid will be fucking completely stoked absolutely and that's responsible that's responsible parenting if you ask me yeah absolutely no one's gonna be like where's the fucking cake now i'm not against the cake either

by the way at some point like i don't get me wrong i'm not saying i've never got my kid a cake but like don't act like there's not real simple things that you could do to mitigate the fucking fire i mean if you have an obese fucking kid you you fucked up for sure and like what is what is giving them birthday cake teaching that kid that's literally just a pure and simple all right i'm gonna you know reward this kid versus giving them sugar you know that's right that's how that's how i'm gonna treat you like how does that you know affect a kid obviously they're raised on sugar and so they're gonna associate sugar with a reward. And it's like, man, that's just bad conditioning, bad human conditioning that so many people have done.

Like my parents gave me birthday cake. All parents do that. It's just something that we're, it's ingrained in our culture. But if you really think about it, like why the fuck are we doing that? Like I don't even have birthday cake anymore. I don't do that. why the fuck are we doing that? Like, I don't even have birthday cake anymore. I don't do that. Like instead I've, I've tried to start like this little mini trend of giving yourself a birthday steak instead of a birthday cake. Oh, you know, like why celebrate getting a year older by eating

some low quality sugar shit processed food? Like, are you really doing yourself any favors by doing that? Are you helping yourself? No. All you're doing is eating a low quality food and you're taking just a hit of sugar. You're taking momentary pleasure in trading that for long-term pain is what you're doing. If that makes sense. Like that's, that's what so many people do. I like that birthday steak. Yeah. Just do that. I mean, every time you eat some low quality shit food, yeah, it might taste good in the moment, but whatever, five, 10 minutes later, that feeling passes. And then most times you feel like shit. because I know when I eat low quality shit food, my body tells me and I feel like shit. And it's like, dude, why are you doing that? Why are you doing that to yourself?

And when you say momentary pleasure, when you say you feel like shit for me, it's I feel like I want I don't want to move. But but to when I do move, I feel like I've lost range of motion. Like everything's a little bit tighter. Yeah. You're honestly, I think it's an inflammatory response. And I think, I think most people, most people that have, you know, they don't pay attention to their health. They're walking around chronically inflamed. For sure. They really are. They don't even realize it, but they, that's their normal. So they just accept it as normal. Most people walk around bloated. Most people have probably bad digestion or have like, you know, whatever fucking diarrhea or just, you know, just not healthy, whatever bowel movements, but they just

accept that as normal. Are a lot of, go ahead. Go ahead. Sorry. I was just going to say, you know, most people, they don't even realize how much their life will improve, you know, when they start to get healthy. Literally every aspect of your life improves when you improve your health. That's another piece of content that I've made. But just getting healthy will change your life, you know, for the better. There were these three things Greg would say if you do a CrossFit, you'll either quit your job or you'll get a raise. You'll either get out of your relationship or it will get better.

And then there was a third one, but he would basically, he would, he would tell people, Hey, I'm right on this piece of paper, 10 things you want to happen in your life. And, and they would write it on write down those 10 things they want. And then he would have them they would write it on, write down those 10 things they want. And then he would have them fold it up and seal an envelope and be like, you never have to show anyone that. But after working out here at the Santa Cruz gym, this is when he was training people back in the early day, he opened this up six months later and tell me if you're closer to those 10 things without even trying, just because you're getting, you're hanging around people who

want to be better and you're making yourself better. And he said, it was like, always like people would be like, holy shit. Yeah, dude. And that like, honestly, I've never met Greg Glassman. I don't know, but I don't know what kind of man he is or anything like that, but he's definitely changed my life and he's made the world a significantly better place. You can say, I made a piece of content about Greg Glassman yesterday because he has that famous quote, the needs of humans don't vary by kind only by degree. Like, if you think about that, that is profound. All humans have the same fundamental needs, you know, just the difference between Olympic athletes and our moms. He uses that as an example, right? Exactly. Like our needs are, our needs are the same. And it's, man, I don't know that, that he was ahead of his time for sure.

You know, I would definitely say that. It's, it's, it's in cycles, right? It's kind of, it's where he came from. He came from Los Angeles in the 1950s and 60s when all the parks had steel rings. Right. And it, and it's like, and then, and then we moved to the Arnold Schwarzenegger away, the back and bys, chest and tris, and then we stopped squatting. And then now it's back again.

When I found CrossFit, I was 34, which is kind of funny, right? It's the same age you are now, basically. Yes. And I had never seen a rope in any gym anywhere. Right. And this is only 16 years ago yeah only gymnastics gyms yeah only gymnastics gyms that's that's what i'm saying man like uh i never saw anyone do an air i went to the gym every single fucking day through of my you know for 15 years before crossfit and i never saw

anyone do an air squat yeah i was just like and now that's like the, just your foundational shit. Absolutely. That's the first thing I'll teach someone. And I've taught thousands of people foundations. Um, I like, I was very fortunate. The first thing my dad ever taught me and he taught me how to work out when I was like five years old, I didn't start, I didn't start taking it seriously as I was about 10, but the first thing he taught me was, it was a squat. My dad came from a powerlifting background. So like I was raised on a very, you know, I had a really good upbringing with as far as strength and conditioning, you know, squats, deadlifts, you know, proper training. And then obviously I went and played football and college football. So I had a really good,

I had really good strength coaches. So I came into CrossFit already quite strong. So I had a really good foundation, but when I But when I found CrossFit, it just honestly, it made sense, man. It's like, to me, it makes perfect sense. If you want to be healthy, you want to have a good amount of absolute strength, meaning you want to be able to lift heavy weights, you know, like barbells. And you also want to have a good amount of relative strength, meaning you want to be able to lift your body weight. And you can't have good relative strength if you're fat, you know, but being fat's not

healthy. So that's why I feel like Greg Glassman by combining weightlifting and gymnastics, basically absolute strength and relative strength. That was kind of visionary as far as like health, you know, as far as like being, being healthy and getting strong, like dude, there's without a doubt, CrossFit CrossFters are the most fit people in the world and they're fucking jacked and they're fit and like that is health in my opinion when i would see we would have power lifters uh world famous power lifters come in and do like private seminars for the staff at hq in the early days or they would come and i would see them i i i thought i would that looks like a fucking miserable life.

You know what I mean? Because they didn't have what you just said, that relative weight. Like, there's like whole fitness or fitness. They don't. They're strong. They're strong. They were all smart to ridiculously smart, articulate guys. I mean, but fuck that.

It looked laborious to be them. Yeah. No, I personally, I would never power lift. I'd never be a strong man. I have no, no, nothing against anyone that power lifts. If you enjoy it, good for you. Great for it. But like, I want to train to be healthy, you know, and honestly, man, fucking, I came, I came from a college football background. So you did a fair amount of conditioning, but you obviously did a lot of strength. No gymnastics per se, but I was kind of more of a skilled position.

So doing box jumps or dips or pull-ups, I could already do all that stuff. But, dude, that is health, man. Dude, if you're lean, strong, and you have good metabolic conditioning, dude, you're going to be extremely healthy. You're going to be very far away from that. And happy. Yeah, and happy. And you're very far away from that spectrum of sickness. You know, there's sickness and health. Get, if you're strongly inject, you're going to be healthy. And if you maintain that for as long as possible,

you're going to live a long time. That's just undeniable. What about sparkling water? It's funny. You kind of said that I consider sparkling water, snob water. water it's funny you kind of said that i consider sparkling water snob water so you don't drink it no i'm actually joking it's i really can't believe you just brought that up because that's a uh a debate that i have with my girlfriend all the time she prefers sparkling water but in me coming from america i never really drank a lot of sparkling water so i've always drank still water i think i have bad news for tell Tell me. What is it? I think that it increases your chances of osteoporosis. Does it really? I've been looking into it, and it's kind of freaking me out.

I mean, not freaking me out. I'm actually going to look into that now. Yeah. I mean, if you drink a shit ton of sparkling water, I'm curious to research that now. The study was massive. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm curious to research that now. I, um, the study was massive. I want to say it was with like 80,000 nurses or something.

They did it. And then basically you had a 300% increase in chance of osteoporosis. If you drank sparkling water and a 500% chance increase percent increase for people who drank soda. Well, the soda doesn't surprise me at all, just because of the sugar content and how, you know, all that. But, uh, I know I, Hey, so just because of the sugar content and all that. I know. Hey, so Eric, this is what I've been doing.

Don't ruin sparkling water. I tried to stop drinking sparkling water, and once again, it's super easy. It's not the meat test, but anytime I want a sparkling water, I just run over and drink a glass of water, and fucking the desire for sparkling water goes away. I just forced down a quick eight ounces. Holy shit, man. You're going to have to send me the link to this study if you don't mind after this podcast. I'd be interested in reading it. I just forced down to click eight ounces. Holy shit, man. You're going to have to send me the link to this study. If you don't mind after this podcast, I'd be, I'd be interested in reading it. I've never been, I mean, I don't mind sparkling water. Some people love it. Like they just can't drink normal water because they find it boring, you know? But I mean, it's, that's just nonsense by the way. That's just, that's a story that they've spun for

themselves. That's, that's not to each their their own but i think if it seriously does increase your risk of osteoporosis uh i would definitely want to know that because i would definitely cut it out cut it out of my i don't trust a microwave either i i don't have i don't trust a microwave i have no i have no proof or i have no data for that but like i don't understand i'm not comfortable with whatever the fuck's going on in there i'm not mentally maybe i'm um i'm open to being wrong but i don't do microwaves i don't have a microwave in my house i don't i don't want to eat microwave food i don't want to do any microwave shit i i do own a microwave and i use it occasionally but i do try to heat up food or reheat food on a stove or in the oven if i can so i don't like using it. Cause I do feel like it's kind of unnatural, but again, you could probably find whichever study you want to support your bias. True. So it's, it's not probably, of course you can. Yeah, you can, you can. So it's,

it's, it's hard. I feel like if you're stressed about drinking sparkling water or using a microwave, but you are eating low quality processed shit food and drink alcohol regularly, you're stressing about the wrong things. Does that make sense? quality processed shit, food and drink alcohol regularly, you're stressing about the wrong things. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. I don't trust my iPhone either, David. I think I, that thing freaks me out that it's fucking nuking me. Sometimes I feel that thing warm in my pocket and I'm like, God damn it. You know, what's weird is like, I feel like our iPhones are listening to us all the time. Well, they are that they are. It's, it's strange. Like you can just literally be talking about something and then whatever the next day or even an hour later, you'll see a sponsored ad for whatever it is you were talking about.

And so it's like, fuck, our phones are listening to us all the time. Hey, the universe is listening to us all the time, too. Agreed. That's why I just brought up sparkling water. I'm listening to you through the universe. Well, you said that, you know, back in your college days, you were saying how you're kind of just putting out these positive, I don't know, vibrations in the universe. And then just one opportunity. I just accept the fact the universe will help me and be open to it.

Yes. And, Sivan, I accept that fact too because you're 100% correct. I'm a huge believer in the law of attraction and, you know, putting out what you truly want in life into the universe and it'll come to you. And once I started doing that, like, everything really has kind of come true. So I'm a huge believer in like people, people say that with religion or anything like that. I'm not a religious person, but I am a big believer in putting out the, what you want to attract in life, put that out and it'll come to you. How did you, um, uh, what events, was there a moment, what events brought you to that understanding of the universe

that it works that way? It's kind of funny. I read a book in college and it was based on, I just made a YouTube video about this. So it's strange because I'm going to put it out pretty soon. But the book was called the success principles by Jack Canfield. And I know that sounds really fucking, I don't know, cliche or kind of like, Oh yeah, really self-help books,

but I'm very familiar with who he is. He's okay. He's huge. Yeah. He's Jack Canfield or cornfield Canfield C A N F I E L D. Okay. But the reason I read that book is because the best player on our team, the most successful player, the hardest working guy, the most inspirational guy I've ever met.

His name is James Casey played in the NFL for seven years. Now he's an NFL coach for the Bengals. He's coaching football, a tremendously successful guy, the best guy on our team. And I really looked up to him because he was, uh, quite a, quite a few years older than me, but I literally asked him, James, dude, what can I do to be like you? And he said, dude, read the success principles, take a hundred percent responsibility for your life and decide what you want and start working towards that. And you put out those vibrations in the universe and you'll attract what you want. And when I read that book and I started

changing my behavior and started doing like that, literally everything's come true. Pretty much, pretty much everything. I mean, I wanted to play in the NFL, but at that point, that dream was kind of already given up. Then I wanted to be the fittest man in the world. And I got close, but unfortunately, injuries have kind of derailed that. But James Casey literally changed my life by telling me to read that book because I read that book. And then I put it into practice. You can't just fucking read a book and expect your life to change. You can't just take an easy path. You actually have to do the work every day and believe in it. But like literally that, that's what got me thinking about the law of attraction and putting out, you know,

positive vibrations into the universe. Cause I believe that shit wholeheartedly. You know, um, I, uh, Brian Johnson, I thought I was going to be able to go a whole show without talking about this. Brian Johnson's a friend of mine. That's the guy who's the liver king. Oh, wow. Okay. Is he a friend? Yeah.

Okay. And the second podcast he ever did was this podcast. tried to get him on the podcast before he was the liver king because I had heard of, I knew him as a guy who had changed his eating habits in order to help heal his son's autoimmune diseases. And I used to have this other podcast that's called Meet the Parents. It was like short-lived. And so I wanted to meet this dad who changed his eating habits to save his kid who was dying from autoimmune diseases, who was being tortured by autoimmune diseases. And he said, Hey, thank you so much for inviting me. I just can't come on. I'm super basically in a, I'm paraphrasing, but basically I'm too shy. I'm not well-spoken. I'm just, I can't do it. I will never do a podcast. I'll never, I'm like, okay.

And then eventually the, he started, he became the liver King, right? He used that and he, in the nine ancestral tenants, and he started right he used that and he in the nine ancestral tenants and he started going on this journey and he came on the podcast and when he came on the podcast he actually cried and he's like holy fuck i can't believe i'm fucking crying and for those of you who haven't seen that uh podcast i highly recommend it because i think in the first third it's a two and a half hour three hour podcast but i think in the first 30 minutes we get past the liver king character and I start actually talking to Brian Johnson. Yeah.

And I see that – so then his trainer, his personal trainer released the emails of him being on steroids. And his personal trainer ends up making a video defending um defending why he released him and and i think the defense is complete bullshit personally because if you really cared what whatever he says you should have just gone straight to brian you shouldn't have given it to derrick at more plates more dates even though i i hold no hard ill will towards towards derrick because that is his youtube channel right his channel is to study these things so i but all these other people who are fucking piling on him. It's so funny. Every time I bring it up, someone in the comments will be like, I can't believe you're defending the liver king.

I'm 100% not defending him. What I'm saying is this is an opportunity for you to look at yourself and to be positive and to act as yourself. Why do you care that he lied what did you what trust did you put in him why can't where where are the limits to your level to accept people for who they are like there's just this it's just so disappointing that so many people in our space who are supposed to be for the wellness and health of other people they're being exposed to me that they have limits of who they're trying to help now granted he's my friend so i know him as a real person and so these other people yeah not the character yeah but um you know

i hear i hear joe rogan say he'll never have him on the show and yet he's probably spent 10 hours talking about him right and there's a piece of disingenuineness that starts to creep in on me about about this you know like hey dude like he started just to help his kid and he admit i don't know if you saw his apology video but he basically says hey man i'm an insecure man with low self-esteem what the fuck can i say it's like i didn't i didn't i didn't watch the it's, it's an interesting talking point that you brought it up. Cause seven months ago, I made a piece of content about the liver King, um, saying whether he's natty or not.

I didn't care. I said, I don't care if he's natty. Yeah. I don't care either. Yeah. His overall message at that time was actually good. It's like, all right, Hey, be healthier, eat a real whole animal based food, spend more time outside you know besides besides him being a character you know it's yeah this is the piece

of content by the way this is insane this is insane that you're doing this these must these thanks but that's i've made this piece of content. This actually got over a million. It's almost got 2 million views on YouTube, you know, but then you say that. And it's interesting because you're, you're a, a friend of his and you've met him. I haven't met him, but, and I just recently put out a piece of content, you know, discrediting him because I was honestly really disappointed. It is disappointing because he, he staunchly denied taking steroids so many times, you know, when everyone kind of knew he was or definitely obviously suspected he was. And the biggest problem I have with him is that he's made this character and he's obviously extremely jacked and lean. But he has a conflict of interest because he has multiple supplement companies selling supplements. So he's directly benefiting from that.

And that's, I don't think people have a problem with his message. They have a problem with his conflict of interest, you know, in doing that. I'm not saying he's a bad guy. No, I agree with what you're saying. It's just, I think that there's a conflation of the issues. I agree. And I had seen that piece of content you made. So I wanted to ask you, I wanted to talk about it so that you could push back on me because it's important that i don't lick and live and lick in an echo chamber live in an echo chamber just for me it's two just two two two different uh issues he lied he um people were probably misled some people were probably misled by the fact that if they live this way they'll look like him they were misled they were they were misled some people were probably misled by the fact that if they live this way they'll look like him they were misled they were they were misled were misled not probably they were

in my opinion but but you and i weren't misled right i mean other people were misled but you and i like i wasn't like hey i'm gonna i take those pills but i didn't take those pills to try to look like him i didn't think that that was going to happen. And I think the nine ancestral tenants are still valuable. Yeah, they are. But dude, you are right. And I will agree with you on that. His overall message, that's why I was never a fan of the liver king, but I didn't hate him either because I was like, I can see it for what it is.

And I can look past his antics and sensationalism, and I can see, all right, this fucking guy is actually just telling people to eat real whole food, work out, be outside, you know, whatever, take cold showers, whatever. It's actually, that's not a bad thing. The reason he's gained so much traction on social media is because he's doing all this crazy shit, like drinking 50 egg yolks and biting raw liver and eating cow testicles. And that barbarian challenge is fucking nuts too. Yeah. If he really, I mean, whether or not he really did that every week, I don't know. You know, I have, I've doubts about that, but either way, it's like his message was, was okay. I have a problem with him lying and directly benefiting from that because while you may not have believed them or you kind of knew it didn't affect you or me,

because I think we probably have maybe more common sense than the average person dude how many how many people bought that guy's supplements because of how good he looks you know how jacked he is you know hey well i definitely yeah you know so like there's just a huge conflict of interest and then he lied about it and i got a problem with people that fucking lie man like with one one thing about my content, it's fucking honest, you know, and I'm putting out there. So it's like, that's why I lost a lot of respect for him. I'm sorry, but I mean, no, no, it's fair. No, no, it's fair. And it Bruce. So it's funny. So yeah,

he tainted his trust. Um, the, what's funny is the first, when, when it came out, the first thing I thought is, Oh shit, I wonder if he really sleeps on those wooden boards that he says he does. And I wonder if his pills actually have the dehydrated liver or whatever liver. Yeah. Are supplements pure? And I did a little research and I started watching more and more of his content. There's another guy out there who went and visited him at the ranch.

The guy's name is Jesse James. James West. Yeah. I watched that episode of YouTube. I watched that. more of his content there's a uh another guy out there who went and visited him at the ranch the guy's name is jesse james james west yeah and i watched that i watched that episode of youtube i watched that okay so i just watched that a couple days ago and that that's the liver king i know like he he did the barbarian challenge with jesse james he lost he he congratulates him they show themselves eating all the meat oh desiccated thank you thank you i know i always want to say defecated because it's the only word i know defecated the 14 year old boy in me again um anyway anyway it's it's an interesting time to see i i think we're more powerful as a um as a species being compassionate rather than um

aggressive not in all circumstances of course but i think compassion is a more powerful tool and i was going to relate this to to what you were saying about that book about putting out in the universe what you want like i i want to treat him the way i would want to be treated in this hard time for him and relative to all the fucking shit that's going on out there in the world i just think that this is pretty this is pretty fucking minor and i can still take away a lot of good things and i can take the high road and how how would i want to be treated now? Once again, of course I'm biased. Cause I know him. Right. And that's, that's, that's, that's Admiral Savant for sure. You know, the, the, again, I don't, I don't hate the guy. I don't know the guy. I've never met him. I can't speak on his character.

You only know what, what's what he, how he portrays himself on social media. Right. And I mean, again, I just have an issue with honesty. And I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people feel the same way I do is like, you know, he, he lied and he was directly benefiting from that. And so I think that says a lot about your, I think it says a lot about your character, you know? And I, again, I don't, I don't think his message was bad. However, I think there's people putting out way better messages and are honest about it. Like for example, maybe David Goggins, you know, something like some, some guy that's fucking real, you know, and is actually telling people to change their life and help themselves.

You know, David Goggins isn't leaning on fucking nine ancestral tenants and eating cow testicles and just doing crazy shit on social media, you know, but people, people that die, that guy's actually changing lives and helping people. And he's putting out, you know, a real true message and he's just not relying on social media and views and just, he's not attention seeking. Does that make sense? It does. It does. And so, but I think being compassionate, that's not, that's not a bad thing either, man. Like I see it is, it is, it is a conflation. You know, I see you brought up some very valid points and can probably, because you know, the guy, you actually really know him and you know, you can probably see what

kind of person he is. And I think about what he did for his kids basically. And that's the part that breaks my heart is that so many people are attacking him. Like that the whole thing is, is shenanigans, but it's not shenanigans. The origins of it is that he, he wanted to save his kids and his passion turned into his business. And then I feel like he took it too far. Like after he did, yes. Does he really need to go do all these crazy things on social media? Did he have to hire a whole team for social media and plan his basically everything was planned and calculated from my understanding?

Because I did watch that YouTube video for more place and more dates. You know, it's like he was a he was a charlatan oh god i know i should have ended the show eight seconds ago oh shit sorry no i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking i'm joking tana okay did i say something i should not have said no no not at all i that was my, that was my least favorite part when they were calling him a charlatan. That's I'm just, I'm struggling with it. I'm, I'm, I'm struggling with it. All right. You're good. You're good. You're good. I love you. I love you. You're good. Every, I love you. You're good. I need, I need, I need people like you on the show to talk to me.

I'm not as, I'm not as informed on him as, as you are again. And I purposely, you will not backpedal. I haven't consumed as much of his content as you have. Yeah. I've only seen what I see. And I'm like, honestly, the guy adds zero value to my life. And I think he's just, it was very attention seeking. And again, I have the issue with him staunchly denying accusations of steroids.

And then it comes out and he's been taking loads of steroids. I'm like, why was he taking those steroids he was taking that for the same reason most men take steroids to to look better but again most men don't have multiple supplement companies and aren't selling millions of dollars worth of products you know right so like that's the that's the issue man like do you think people would have buying would have been buying hey river king products how do you not look does products had he not looked the way he looks? Actually, maybe – let me go back a step. Probably the vast majority of people who have been on creatine bottles are juiced to the gills, and it's been misrepresented.

I remember when I used to go to the Arnold and the Mr. Universe to film arm wrestling shit, and all those dudes in the book were juiced to the gills, but they're selling you this protein, making you think that if you take it, you're going to look like them. So it's, it's kind of a, I am not getting heated. I am chill.

I'm chill. I haven't, I'm not getting heated. It's very similar, Savan. Very similar. So, so if anything,

I feel like it's been the same playbook over and over. The part where I give him grace is maybe because I'm mature and I want to look at myself and be like, why would I care if someone lied to me? What power am I giving to someone else that it makes me judge them for lying to me? I don't know. I want to be more reflective and more compassionate about it. I want to make sure that I'm not putting out anything negative. And as I said before, I think that's very admirable. I think it's very admirable.

And you know what? I probably should have said this earlier because everyone should be like this. If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, it's best not to say anything at all. if, if, cause everyone should be like this, if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, it's best not to say anything at all. You know, that's why I've, I've made those pieces of content and I won't speak about the liver King anymore because again, if I don't have anything nice to say, I probably shouldn't say anything bad. I didn't think you were mean in them either. By the way, you just kind of had them in the backdrop. You weren't vicious or anything. No, I'm not. I mean, I was just saying what was on my mind, man. I was just putting it out there.

And again, you shouldn't, man, I have better things to do with my time and talk badly about others. Does that make sense? And like I said, if I don't have anything nice to say about someone, I probably just shouldn't say anything at all. Cause I want to make sure whatever message I'm putting out there, it's a positive and uplifting message that actually, you know, helps people. And like, dude, there's enough negativity in the world already. And like the world doesn't need anymore. Adam Blakeslee, if you bought a Flex magazine in your life, the ads are of juiced up dudes selling supplements. Great argument. Okay, thank you.

Like I said, though, I'm not trying to defend him. Say it again? I'm not trying to defend the liver king. I'm just saying that for our own personal health, as high-level human we should be careful about throwing about kicking a man when he's down we should just we should be wise in our in our in our steps you know so what we should do is just instead of kicking him down maybe just not talk about him right right you know that's like that's honestly like again i think two or three years from now no one's gonna be talking about liver king people probably have long forgotten about him i mean they'll remember who remember who he was, but I don't think he's going to be a huge talking

point, you know, over podcasts or, you know, over people having dinner. Tanner Tanner and full disclosure, the liver King sponsored this podcast earlier this year, uh, about, I've talked about this ad nauseum, but about two months before we went to Wadapalooza, I sent him a text message and I said, Hey, do you want to sponsor Wadapalooza? And he't even say yes he just deposited twenty thousand dollars in my paypal account well again you you i have not had the same he's not even on steroids you know that he he just that

that was misunderstood he's not even on steroids no i'm just joking i'm just saying that because they said because i said he gave me 20 grand I'm just trying to, for 50 grand, he didn't do steroids. Wait, but did he really, did he really deposit $20,000? Yeah. That story's true. That story's true. Like I said, man, you know what I mean? It's like, it's, you know, what's bad. Oh, fuck you, David. Eat a dick. I'm sorry. I'm guilty of this as well.

Like there's always two sides to every story, you know? And so you've obviously seen both sides to that story. And whereas I have, and most other people haven't, and it's, it's very easy for us to judge him. And you're right. That's probably not the best thing to do. Like, you know, like I said, if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, it's probably best not to say anything at all. So. And I don't want to, and I don't want to, and I't want and i don't think um i want to be super clear i i didn't i didn't bring it up to like it's just it's it's just all my it's just on my mind because

i know him and and and i and i like you and we were just having a conversation and i don't think i wasn't i don't want you to feel like i accused you of doing anything i don't think anything you put out into the world um was was crazy like about him like you weren't like fuck this guy i hope he gets killed i mean not even close you weren't even at the one yard line of that so but i just wanted to talk to you about it well you know what savon this is your podcast i'm a guest on your podcast so we can talk about whatever you want and at the end of the day man i'm i'm honored to be here and on your podcast and like like i said i mean i have i have opinions you know and i'm entitled to those opinions just like everyone else is.

So yeah, you asked, you asked me some questions and I just answered them honestly. And you're putting out a shit ton of amazing content. Thank you. And I appreciate you for it. Um, and I, and I look forward to, uh, continuing our, our, our, our, I'm going to go out on a limb here, our friendship. Man, maybe me and you are friends if i i would i really hope we are we just spent over two and a half hours talking to each other that's more than

i'm gonna talk to my wife in the next week well yeah it's like i didn't know how long this podcast would go i didn't anticipate it going this long but it's gone fast like you're a man you're i hope i have the like the privilege to meet you in person one day yeah oh i think we're gonna do this again uh tanner stand your ground mate all right david he he's standing his ground shut the hell up everyone leave me alone i'm processing i'm processing i'm not i'm not one to back down but i'm also i'm one to respect other people's opinions you know that's that's uh that's that's fair like i said there's two sides to every story. So, you know, it is what it is. What time is it there now? Is it nine 30?

It's nine 35. Yeah. You demand. All right, brother. Thanks for coming on. You have my phone number. Text me anytime. You can't bug me. I do think that you and I just sparked a friendship. You're a great dude. You're a pleasure to talk to. I'll be in California next year for sure. I'm going to watch Metallica and Pantera. So if I'm in that part of the world,

maybe I'll have to hook you up. I can look you up. Awesome. All right, brother. Have a good one. Cheers. Thanks for your time.

Yep. Absolutely. Bye. Bye. That's a cool dude. He's really cool. Yeah. I enjoyed that a lot.

Uh, he's really cool yeah i enjoyed that a lot uh anxious to see jamie latimer slay the legends comp when does that start is that tomorrow i need to get in touch with james grubb i was supposed to have him on maybe i'll have jamie too jamie do we have each other's phone numbers i know this is like the 18th time i've asked you this does Does that start tomorrow, Caleb? I think it starts Friday. What's tomorrow? Is tomorrow Friday? Tomorrow's Thursday. Well done. Well, thank you. Thank you.

I don't know. I'm just hurting for my buddy a little bit. Clydesdale says it starts tomorrow. All right. Thank you, Scott. I'm just hurting for my buddy a little bit. No. Clydesdale says it starts tomorrow. Oh, all right. Thank you, Scott. She's driving.

Okay. Max push-up contest. Sevan, Hiller, and Tanner. God, I don't know if Hiller is stoppable. Holy shit. You want to hear something crazy? We're going to have Gary Roberts on. Oh, shit. I forgot to tell you guys this listen if you guys sign up for a consult for a consultation with california hormones you will be put into a drawing for a free

level one and i'll call the winner on december 24th damn it i was supposed to say at the beginning of the show i'm gonna write it right here really big now. Susie even reminded you. Thank you for reminding me. And we talked about it in the text. Free level one. What are the deets for the giveaway? Oh, shit.

I'm just seeing this. This is a reminder. Damn it. You got to get a free console from, uh, CF hormones, right? Yeah. Basically, uh, you just have to go over and sign up for a free, basically you need blood work. If you're in California, you can get it for free. If not, you need blood work and then, uh, sign up for a free consultation, use code seven or you could use, yeah, you seven and, uh, and get the free consultation and then you will be put in the

drawing uh for a free level one no no it won't be an online one we'll give you like an in-person one you better go in person yeah uh no but gary roberts yesterday told me are you ready for this boy am i he ran a 632 mile yesterday. Shut the fuck up. No way. No way. I saw some video. He's fucking moving. It's fucking crazy, dude.

Are you sure it wasn't on the same track that you ran your PR 300? The 330 meter track? Yeah. I can't remember whylex didn't want to do it yeah 632 he said uh when he went so right when he started uh before he started the california hormones he he is uh he ran a 10. It said 10 something. I'm going to have him on Friday with me and Hiller and we'll get him to, uh, I know it's crazy, right?

Jamie. It's crazy. What a little, little testosterone will do to you. He seems happy as all get out. It's pretty dope. Yeah. Uh,

if you don't follow the instagram account uh going rogue with seven you should this is uh one of the listeners is constantly putting up um clips from the show reels and it's pretty damn good well i'm I'm in all of them. So, of course, I think they're all good. But it's called Going Rogue with Sevan. And it's my favorite Instagram account. All right, guys. Caleb, thanks for being on. I was freaking out for a second. I'm like, how am I going to run all this shit?

Glad you're here. I'm testing you for when i am no longer in my equity experiment we have to figure something out i'm scared to go to the to go to the in-person l1 covid alan always great to see you uh okay i gotta get this call i'll talk to you guys later bye