The Sevan Podcast - #715 - Dominic Tierno - Super Creator

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

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Good morning. Is my math right? If there's 3.6 million people born in the u.s every year are you telling me two percent of people fucking die from fentanyl overdose of the birth of that's like the that those are your chances it's a hundred it's a hundred thousand a year now we're at so oh would that be 0.5 maybe what is it? 10% of a million is $100,000, right? Right. So if it's 3.2... So if it's 3.6 million, it's like 2%, isn't it? No? Is my math bad?

Yeah, I think so. Okay. What do I do? I divide 3.6 million into $100,000? Would that get it for me? These are really bad odds yes that is what we would do 100 000 divided by 3,600,000. Dude, it is. It's 0.027. That's almost 3%. I don't get it, though, because 100,000 is...

10% of a million, so then I just divided that by 3. Oh, my gosh. That's bad. I've never done that statistic before did you you might have dude i'm telling you i cried my eyes out last night jorge ventura the great the greatest living journalist alive today in my fucking opinion jorge ventura sent me your film and uh i watched it just you know in the living room, I pulled it up. I start bawling.

My sister walks by the TV. She starts crying. I'm holding my face like this, trying to keep my shit together. Wow. Caleb, meet Dominic. Dominic, Caleb. Caleb. What's up, man?

Nice to meet you, Dominic. Caleb is deployed overseas in an undisclosed location somewhere in a desert. Wow. And so he's forced to work on the show. He's stuck here perpetually. The name of the movie we're talking about is called Dead on Arrival. It was made in 2020. I also cannot recommend enough another movie he made called nox's story

i was unable to find uh the other side which is uh another movie he made i sent all three of these movies to my uh nephews last night and i said boys you got to watch this shit they're they're like uh 14 16 and 18 perfect yeah the premise of the movie is we've left the era of don't do drugs they're bad for you and you might get addicted to holy shit if you get one speck of fentanyl you're toast and it's everywhere and here's the catch people the vast majority of these people aren't doing fentanyl it'sl. It's getting in their shit and they're dying from it. They're smoking weed. They're taking a fake Xanax. They're taking a fake Adderall. They're snorting some lines with some buddies. And somehow some fentanyl has got in there and they die. And I lived through the whole entire, you know, all the cancer deaths. I lived through the whole entire – all the cancer deaths. I lived through all the AIDS deaths, and I never have had this many people in my circle die ever, not even close from all those other things.

I don't know a single person who died from COVID, and yet I know a shitload of people who've already OD'd on fentanyl. And none of them – you're right, as you say in the movie none of them were doing fentanyl no they weren't it's like going to the store and buying an apple and you bite into it it's a fucking cantaloupe that kills you yeah right right that's a bad part yeah right wow congratulations dude what a powerful movie thank much. Yeah, we so my wife is sitting in this room and it was literally her and I essentially Christine, who you see in the credits. She kind of got me into this space. She had made a really, really successful film called Overtaken. But she was just a mom from where I grew up who just wanted to do something about this issue a long time ago. And so we partnered together a decade ago almost to start making these films.

It's been kind of like a one-man crew ever since. We made Dead on Arrival with like $30,000, I think, that was donated. And we flew these parents out to where I am, rented an Airbnb, and just told their story. And that's done it. It's now gone around the world hundreds millions of views maybe i don't know i i put it out for free it's free to download for schools which some people be like well why would you do that and you can't track how people viewed it i

wanted as little barrier to entry as possible yeah don't listen to those idiots that don't listen to those idiots that whole view thing and likes, it's all jackassery. Yeah. It's all, I'm the greatest living podcaster alive, and I get seven likes per Instagram post. Tell them, Caleb. Yeah, what's up with that? He's not wrong. Hey, I'm sorry.

Did you say you met your wife while making a movie no i'm saying she's in the well actually kind of i met my wife making a video that's a long story but her and i were basically the crew for dead on arrival i mean it was i wrote it shot it directed it edited it her by my side hugging the parents as they're crying in between takes. And we just sat there and did it. I'm not some big production or crew or budget or whatever.

It's just... It sure looks like it. But your wife's not Christine Wood. No. No. She is another man's wife and as much... Well, I won't say that that she is older than i am right

different different different league we'll say just different league right she's is she between me and you or is she me i'm 50 50 as they say she is above she's gone before you she she okay okay um your first movie how old are you i'm 26 okay uh caleb can we play the trailer i know he's so accomplished already his first movie was in 2004 his first movie was in 2014 oh we're gonna this is a 30 second trailer from the movie dead on arrival if you are a parent you have to see this it will be the fastest 20 minutes of your life and you will get to purge some um tears here we go i can't hear it for some reason if you haven't it's really quiet okay i'll listen very well what say it again i gave you a shitty shitty link

it's just really quiet i'll find another okay it's probably on the trailers on youtube also oh and that was on youtube but that's in stories uh and where do you live where's home for you, Dominic? So born and raised in Orange County, California, and went to school in Pennsylvania, came back to work in Los Angeles for three years. And now the beginning of 2020 moved to Boise, Idaho. So twists and turns there. Wow. And why Boise? For many reasons that California is not anymore. Idaho is.

And that's where I wanted to come and raise my family. Just values aligned more with what I'm going for in life for the future. So I loved growing up in California. I just have watched it kind of fall apart over the past 26 years. So I couldn't do it. For my kids and my future family, it seemed right to come here. And it has been. We're super blessed to be here.

Okay, let's play this. And I have questions about Boise. Because I've heard Boise is turning into California, too. And you have to go further north. You have to go, like, towards Quarter Lane. Yeah, they're saying that. But no, but still good. Boise's good. Yeah. Okay. Action. Heard of fentanyl. It's time to learn about it.

Now fentanyl is being deceitfully disguised as almost any drug. And as a result is killing over 150 people a day in the United States alone. My new film dead Dead on Arrival, sheds light on this silent crisis that is stealing the lives of curious young people. I'm asking you to watch and share it right now. And this O'Connell, there's an O'Connell family that gets a thank you at the end of both

nox's story and dead on arrival who are those cats yeah so he has funded every one of these films i've done uh his name is george o'connell he owns o'connell landscaping which is in south orange county where i'm from so he'll do like all the plants for Laguna Beach and all that kind of area. For people who don't know, Laguna Beach is off the hook. This area is extremely, extremely wealthy area, beyond wealthy. Yeah. So, and he is beyond wealthy as a result of that. And he's very graciously donated all the funds to make these

films with literally all he's got yeah maybe put my name in some text or something super humble man and man i mean there's a great reward for him for having funded this film which has saved many many lives i believe already i believe so too. Do you think, um, do you think when I was a kid, Dominic, uh, it was Nancy Reagan and Ronald Reagan, and it was just the no campaign. And then they had that thing called dare. And after they, um, did studies on dare, that was like some, some acronym for keeping kids off of drugs. did studies on dare that was like some some acronym for keeping kids off of drugs they the final um belief on dare was is that it actually introduced more kids to drugs than uh they put then got kids off of drugs and that the just no campaign was actually a failure worse than a

failure it backfired and introduced kids to drugs and it caused to rebel. And I watch your movie and I don't get any of that effect from it, but I'm concerned that I'm just old. And maybe, have you ever thought that maybe your movie would make kids want to do drugs? I don't see that at all, by the way, I want to tell you. Like I have three little boys and I'm like, holy shit. You know? Yeah, I mean.

What are your thoughts on that? I think you're right about dare and the just say, no, I think drug education, even when I was in school was pretty corny and something to be made fun of. Honestly, drugs. I remember or dare,

pardon me. He would say stands for like drugs are really exciting or something like that. And they'd make fun of the acronym, right. And make some trendy t-shirts or stickers or whatever. And kids would just make fun of the, just say, no kids don't like to hear. No, they like to hear yes. And so they don't want to be told what not to do. I remember someone was telling me the other day when they're training pilots, when the pilots flying the plane, if you tell the pilot, hey, don't hit this obstacle, he's more likely to hit the obstacle than if you say, hey, go around this. And so what I tried to do with my first film, The Other Side, it was actually about telling kids, hey, I'm not telling

you don't do this. I'm telling you go this way. And it was a film interviewing a bunch of, we had a UFC quarterback, we had a fashion model and actor, people, young kids who were really successful already who had decided not to go that route. And it was like, hey, follow your passion and your purpose kind of thing and you'll avoid this. That message has, still works, but is not complete because of fentanyl now. So now I've had to go back to telling them, all right, I know you don't like to hear no, but I'm telling you, if you don't want to die, you got to listen to the word no, because there's no room for a mistake or a try or an experiment anymore. And so when I'm telling him it that way, and as raw as I did in Dead on Arrival, I think they get it. And I think they're smart enough to see, all right, this guy's not just some goofy, you know, parent or police officer telling me and

police officers are not goofy. I'm just saying, right, bring in the education that they bring in. It's not just some corny, like, don't do it because, you know, you're gonna die and you're gonna this. It's like, no, look at the deaths. Here's the parents crying. Imagine that being your mom and your dad. And I think they can see that and understand, OK, I actually need to not do this and I need to listen. And we've heard it with parents and teachers who have reported after kids watching the film. Just the other day, it was shown at Porter Middle School. I think it's in the valley near L.A. shown at a porter middle school i think it's in the valley near la and teachers were reporting to jaime the dad in the film saying these kids are literally walking back to class some in tears

looking at their friends like dude i'm not gonna do drugs ever you know with a straight face it is so it does make kids cry too that makes me happy to hear that i really couldn't tell because every time the parents would talk i would imagine i was them and i would fucking just come unhinged like literally unhinged i was sobbing i get messages and comments from kids in middle schools or high schools saying hey they showed your film in my class today and it really it brought me to tears i cried the whole time and i think it's them imagining putting them their parents through that kind of pain good and that keeps them from making that a parent dm me though and this kind of messed with me a little bit a couple days ago and she said hey i i tend to ask people what did i do wrong

in that film what would you have what did i miss what could i have done better and this is a parent who does some drug education and and stuff like that for like underprivileged youth and she said well your film does really well for the kids i show it but there are some who don't have parents who love them like that and who maybe wouldn't cry for them or at least they don't feel like they would and so that message kind of goes over their head a little bit. They feel like no one loves them enough. So they wouldn't disappoint anyone really if that happened to them. And that really kind of messed with me.

But I kind of wish I'd put in the film like, hey, you may think you're alone or you don't matter. And maybe that's why you're trying a pill or this kind of drug. But I want to let you know, you not alone i care about you there is someone who loves you and cares about you who would not want to see you gone from this thing so something to think about for the future messaging but the reason why i liked your message is i didn't do drugs for any of the reasons that they say that people do drugs. Like I wasn't rebelling. There was no peer pressure. I wasn't running or trying to mask anything. It just, it was there.

There was no, it was, you know what I mean? Just in high school, just, it was, or, you know, my parents just had a liquor cabinet and I just, I just was just like, come on, I'll try this. Or I like the way it feels. I mean, another thing that resonated with me, and we'll try to connect all these, is I actually, for some reason in the seventh grade, my ankle started hurting. I have no idea why. And my mom took me to the doctor, and it was just nagging me and nagging me. And the doctors actually told my parents that the reason why my ankle was hurting was it was some sort of rebellion on my part because my parents were divorced.

I was just fucking nuts. My mom told me that when we got in the car. I'm like, this is fucking crazy. But anyway, they gave me Vicodin. Wow. And my mom and my mom, you know, both my parents were workaholics and my mom just gave me the pills and I could, you know, regulate them on my own. And I remember taking a Vicodin at school and all of a sudden thinking I was the coolest kid in school. I just got so calm. I was so chill. Nothing could phase me. I was like,

wow, this is fucking amazing. These pills are amazing. And to this day, it's, it's stuck with me. I've only done, you know, I've only done, uh, when I, when I hurt my back and they prescribed Vicodin to me, it hasn't been years. I don't use them because later on I want to use them recreationally. I want to sit down and watch a movie and take a Vicodin and drink a beer. Right. And I never even thought, holy shit, that was introduced to me in the seventh grade. I didn't think about that until I saw your movie i was like wow a fucking doctor and then you mentioned in the movie the conflation of drugs um these are drugs but they're they're prescribed to us as medicine

but they're not medicine no No. No. And, and you know, and I'm, I think there's a whole issue with overprescribing and things like that, which I didn't touch on in the film. The reality is a lot of this happens because of sports injuries or kids being treated like I was for depression or anxiety, had a kind of a rough childhood and just had some mental stuff i was dealing with at

15 16 and doctor decided to put me on prozac and zoloft and stuff wow medication and then give me xanax as a backup you know in case of emergency type thing and same thing i relate you know i i would take a xanax and i'd be like dude all is up up in here. I was so chill in class. All of a sudden I would be going on a flight or whatever, going back between college. And I didn't really like flying too much at the time. And I'd take a Xanax. And then I hear Drake's song. Come on, Papa.

And I'm like, yeah, I am out like a light. I'm not worried about nothing. You know, and I kind of I didn't become a Xanax addict, thank God. But if I had been in a position where I couldn't get those pills anymore and it felt like I needed them, okay, let me just get on Snapchat or hit up my buddy at college and say, hey, bro, you got anyone who has Xanax? I just need a couple. I just need a couple, bro. I'm flying back home for Christmas. I'm going to go see my family.

I just, you know, where I can get a couple Xanax. And cool, if it were now, you know, today, that guy would be like, sure, dude. Yeah, I got this guy, my friend on Snapchat. He sells these Xanax pills. Cool, man. Let me get two. All right, 20 bucks. Yeah, whatever.

No problem. He'll show up to my dorm room. Give me the couple pills. I open them. Says Xanax. Has the little lines in. I can break a little half off. Little do. I open them, says Xanax, has the little lines in. I can break a little half off. Little do I know it has no Xanax in whatsoever.

It's been pressed to look like Xanax and is actually just a white pill binder with a bit of fentanyl in it. And I hop on to take that plane, break off two of those little squares and I'm dead on the plane ride at home and they're trying to resuscitate me and I land and I died of a fentanyl overdose. These are things that are happening now that I

missed just a few years ago, even though I was a good kid going to college, had big plans for the future and just needed a Xanax every once in a while to help calm my anxiety that I was trying to work through desperately. Right. And so there are these good kids out there now who are not drug addicts, not looking to take fentanyl, just looking for some relief, and they're duped into taking this disgusting, horrible poison that ultimately kills them. And so it's a different world.

You do mention, I think it's in Knox's story that the United States makes up 5% of the U.S. – the U.S. makes up 5 are in the world and i showed that our consumption of pharmaceuticals is larger than the gdp gross uh what's gdp stand for gross domestic product it's more than half the countries on that list so we spend more money in the united states on pharmaceuticals than the entire gdp of a country like Finland or New Zealand. Our pharmaceutical economy is stronger. And that first popped on my radar one time. I was making a movie over in Kenya, and when I was flying back, I heard how much the United States spent just on sleeping pills.

And I saw that our sleeping pill consumption was larger than the GDP of Kenya. And I was like, holy shit. Everyone's everyone's on drugs, huh? Yeah. I mean, when I say everyone, it's like I think I heard 80 percent of the U.S. population pops pills on a daily basis. It's wild. It's become so normalized. And people look at it as they say self-medicating.

You know, that's like the term now. Oh, as they say self-medicating you know that's like the the term now oh i'm just self-medicating and it's like what what does that mean you know what i mean self-medicating it's just i i don't know i feel like that i'm 26 so i don't know but i feel like that wasn't a term 20 years ago i always just heard it around marijuana people would say hey i'm self you self-medicate yeah and now that's just become a blanket term for i'm just taking all sorts of pills and drugs and things and it's it's just become okay and people don't want to deal with any emotions anymore i had had another conversation of, you know, men, particularly like masculinity and stuff going out the window because men don't want to deal with emotions. And there's doctors and people are throwing pills at them all the time to to cover up and women too but you know just avoiding actually dealing with emotions and

working through things and building up strength and it's up in your mental toughness so to speak and just popping a pill and it's just making men and women weak and beggars for these drugs to the point where they'll hop on social media and and buy a pill from someone they don't even know i think we're getting a hum from one of your mics. Do you hear it? It's like an electrical hum. Do you hear it, Caleb? You do.

Maybe one of the plugs needs to be pushed in a little tighter. All right, let me see. Sorry to bug you. No, I'm sorry. Is it still going? Yeah. Will you try logging out and coming right back in yeah for sure thank you

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Men self-medicate with Viagra and good website from the links in the – Jeez, Louise. Corey. My goodness. Let's see. Bring Dominic back in. It's still there. We'll just deal with it uh audrey yes i was actually depressed after i had a catastrophic knee injury in the ocean three years ago so i get it but also my friends don't incorporate uh things like eating right or exercise either when when, another thing I'm noticing, this is off subject a little bit, but, uh,

vaping, it seems like that's just like taking over our youth. I was talking to one of my nephews and he said that his friend, he's the only him and one other guy. There's only two of them in their crew. These are healthy, good kids. They're the only two that don't vape. Wow. Are you seeing that everywhere?

I've seen it firsthand. I was a vape crackhead in high school and college. I'm not kidding. And I didn't, I've never drank. First of all, by the way, I grew up in AA meetings with my mom and stepdads and just kind of scarred me.

Just didn't want to, you know, go ahead everyone else, but I just didn't have to you know go ahead everyone else but i just didn't have an interest hardly smoked weed never besides a couple of pills to help for my mental health just no drugs but nicotine and those e-cigarettes never smoked cigarette but vaped for years because in high school it was just like this new cool thing that tasted so good and the flavors and the i mean someone handed me here's vanilla oh my gosh here's blue raspberry and here's this and here's this candy and this churro and this all this stuff and next thing you know i'm like two or three years down the line and

actually addicted to nicotine yeah it's crazy and it's so worse now because now they've made so many different little discreet. I remember someone who watched my film said a parent, their kid said they caught him smoking, you know, a vape or whatever. And they said, yeah, the bathrooms at school, the kids don't call them the bathroom. They call them the jewel room. Wow. Is that the preferred vape to jewel? It was when I was. I think now there's like puff bars, I think, have kind of taken over. Juul got a lot of criticism for marketing to youth, and then they had to put some pretty strict regulation.

I think they cut some of their flavors and stuff down. But this puff bar and all these other companies just saw what Juul was doing and just went full out with the colors and the different flavors and the and the device is so nice yeah it just fits very nicely in your hand it's so nice it slips in your pocket it's thin yeah it's nice on your lips how did you quit my wife my wife's laughing so i had actually quit prior to meeting her in la i had gotten my wisdom teeth out and i knew i was like i know i don't want to be a slave to this thing this sucks and so i was getting my wisdom teeth out at like 19 or 20 home from college and they're like okay you can't use a straw or like suck on anything for like two weeks. And I was like, okay, so I can't vape then. But I didn't want to ask the dentist that I just

assumed I was like, all right, I'm going to use this opportunity to quit. So then I quit for about a year or two. Then I met my beautiful wife. And once we started dating, she had been leaving her jewel at home. I didn't know she was doing that. And eventually we had started living together at one point in LA and she's like, Hey, by the way, I have this jewel.

Is that okay? Like if I do this or not. And I was just like, is that okay? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like right back in because here's this beautiful woman that I love. And like, oh, now it's okay.

I can handle it. And it was, it was what, babe, probably nine months or so of just full blown back to the crack, you know? And then it got to the point to answer your question one day where I realized this was happening again. And I was like, this is so stupid. And we were starting to feel like you'd get kind of mucusy and stuff. And I got to the point, I was like, we're going to stop this one way or we're not going to stop it at all. And so I grabbed everything I had. I chucked it on the floor of our apartment, stomped on it, poured all the liquid out through the trash.

And I said, we're never doing this again. And that was it? Haven't done it since. No. Wow. It's very easy to relapse. Be careful. Always be on guard.

It's so easy to relapse. Nicotine is so powerful. Yeah. And I won't now. I know I won't now. And I'll say, wow, you just threw it on the ground. It must not be that hard. She spent months looking at it and like walking by people and you'd walk by and smell it. And she'd be like, and I'd have to like say, no, we're not doing it anymore.

We're not doing it anymore. It's if you don't have that kind of discipline, don't even start even with that, you know, and that's nothing compared to fentanyl and pills either. Isn't it interesting? That's the same theme in your movie, too. And I've known this from a young age. Also, nobody wants to be addicted to anything. No one wants to be addicted to the vape. No one wants to be addicted to drugs. No one wants to be a drug addict. It sucks. No one wants to be a drug addict. It sucks. And now they have this other term for drug addicts that freaks me out, and they call it homeless people. But those aren't homeless people. Those are people that I'd say 99% of the people who are homeless, what they've done is they've prioritized drugs over shelter and so we have this giant movement to try to help homeless people but

it's like i'm trying to help someone who's drowning but you help them you're you don't realize they're drowning and you try to help them with something else you try to feed them you would never like throw food at someone who's drowning and that's what it's like trying to help someone who's homeless get shelter it's like like that. That's not the fucking problem. You're actually going to make it worse when you give them shelter. Yeah. I was talking to someone who deals, works with homeless other day. And she had said, you know, a lot of these people that I am talking to or interviewing or trying to help, they just straight out say, I don't want to do life anymore. That's why I'm out here. Whether they're addicted to drugs or not, they've said, I just don't want to. It's too complicated. I have

to get a job and then all my money goes to rent and I have all these bills and I have all these things. I'd rather not. It's too tough for me. It's too hard. And that kind of goes back to what I was saying about people not wanting to deal with emotions anymore. They just say, life is tough, bad things happen. So I'd rather just self-medicate and not have any responsibility. And it's just a growing, growing trend. And it's really sad to see. It's sad to see. And it's sad to see people, like you said, throwing money and things like food and stuff, which is not the root of that issue whatsoever. I was homeless for many, many years. And every single homeless person I knew was addicted to nicotine, all of them, 100%. And it was only me and one other guy and the entire thousands of people that I ever met who were homeless.

We were the only two who weren't addicted to drugs. We were the only two who didn't drink 40ies all day and pop pills, smoke weed, but all the others did. Wow. All of them. And the other guy was some old, old, old guy. And it was crazy. It was absolutely nuts. And, uh, there's a, there's a movie that you can see on YouTube for free. Everyone should see this. Everyone, everyone should see this. It's made by Dominic Tierno. It's called Knox's Story.

And this reminds me of it, of the movie. My brother has been battling drug addiction ever since college. He's 50 now. He's been in and out of rehab and recovery programs. I think those programs did nothing more than exacerbate the addiction. That's another problem. And that's what that movie will really resonate with you. That's another problem with a drug addiction. The recovery has become such big business and it's full of landmines. So I have a friend who just went to prison and I'm so concerned for

him because in there you just learn to take, and we've had a bunch of prisoners on this show, you learn just to take more drugs and how to be more involved with crime. And you start to realize that this is going to hurt to say, but the vast majority of things that are supposed to help you really make you codependent. And that's probably why you left California because we don't have a government that actually wants to help people. We have a government that's making people codependent. What does codependent mean? Instead of helping people get off drugs, it's supporting their behaviors. Instead of helping people with mental illness, we're chopping, we're supporting them chop off their penises or their breasts or do just crazy shit yeah yep how how did you find these parents

in your in your movie uh dead on arrival so i heard about fentanyl from the first mother who spoke not from her personally i saw an article like i said said in the film. I said I saw this article. A kid died, 14 years old, from Aliso Viejo, California. That was a city that I had grown up for. 14. 14. And it was like, smart young kid, right? Innocent.

14. I'm looking at him like, he's like a little baby kid. And I saw pictures of him watching cartoons on the couch with his sister. I'm like, he's like a little baby kid. And I saw pictures of him watching cartoons on the couch with his sister. I'm like, he took a pill and died? And he ordered it off. I'm like, how did he do that? Right? And I'm not even that far out of, you know, I still remember being that age.

So I'm like, there's no way I would have done that at 14. What the heck? Like, I thought cigarettes were like, ah, you know, intense. what the heck like i thought cigarettes were like ah you know intense then and so i was reading this article and i'm looking at this kid and i'm like i think this is kind of one of those like extreme stories that they share just to try to get clicks and stuff and and i'm like i don't know if that's really representative of this fentanyl issue and so i was like i'm gonna do some more research i knew i wanted to make a fentanyl film and so then i went to like okay there's these fentanyl addicts on the street and i looked at heroin which is now basically fentanyl there's really not really heroin anymore it's all it's

a lot of fentanyl and i'm like okay do we do that do we go interview like skid row and all this stuff i'm like no that doesn't seem right everyone talks about that you know what i mean and so i went i just kept circling back to this kid and eventually i was like let me see if there's any other kids dying from this and so i looked and it was like a city 10 minutes 20 minutes away a month later another 14 year old kid same story had a sleepover took a pill fentanyl dead and so i'm looking at fentanyl deaths and i just see all these young kids young kids young kids and i'm like first of all covid's going on so no one's talking about anything else i'm like how is this not being shared kids are dying in every state every day

from these pills all the time i'm like this is where we have to make the film 100 so i hit up amy who was alex's mom the 14 year old's mom. And she had started this organization void with these three other parents who had all lost their children the same year, different ages, but same drug, same kind of thing where they thought they were ordering something online and they got something totally different. And so we flew those four parents out here to idaho rented an airbnb and just told their stories and they all worked out all four were good yeah i mean i mean you nailed it i was thinking when after the movie was over the filmmaker in me was like god i wonder he probably filmed with eight parents and had to cut four out i wonder how he told them that he cut them out you didn't have to

cut anyone out no there were there was stuff that i was sitting there the hardest part of the film was choosing what to cut out because it was i mean we had maybe like 45 minutes of footage with each parent and you just want to say it all because people don't get it and you want them to get it so bad but i had to keep it at a length where kids would, would pay attention. You know, did you cry in every interview? My wife and I were talking about this literally two nights ago. She was, and I'm so glad she's there because, and you're a filmmaker. So you'll know, I mean, when you're especially one man crew,

when you're on set and I have a job to do, I've been given this grace, I feel like to not be emotionally influenced at all while I'm doing my craft. And so someone could be there telling the saddest story ever that if I just heard in a conversation like this might bring me to tears. And I'm just poker face like. In fact, I'm actually smiling and laughing sometimes, which sounds really cynical and sinister, but I'm not looking at it here. Here's the thing. This parent son already passed. It's sad. It's horrible. It's disgusting. But I'm here to fight a battle. I'm here to make sure that this story goes out to millions of people and hearts are changed and this doesn't happen again. So I'm the inside. I'm joyful. I'm looking at him crying on camera, telling his story and I'm not going, oh, this poor guy, I'm going to cry with him. My wife does that. It's needed.

They need a hug. I'm going, ha ha ha. Guess what's coming? We're going to change the world with this and lives are going to be changed. So when I'm on no to answer question i'm not i'm not really crying i'm not down i'm not depressed i've i feel like i've been given a grace to to do this and not be affected by it um you're happy that you're getting content for a powerful film yeah and you're like oh this is exactly what i needed this is exactly what i needed and i'm exactly what I needed. And I'm just like, wow, thank God this person sitting in front of me, the right person telling this story right now, that's exactly what we need. And I'm happy about it. I'm not happy about what he went through.

That doesn't bring me joy at all. But I'm happy that we can use it to turn it into something very powerful and very impactful and use it for good. And then your wife is crazy, emotionally available and vulnerable. And so then the person who's talking can even feel more safe because someone else is relating to them. And so you have the best of both worlds. You have a guy who's filming, who knows what he's getting.

And then you have someone else who's letting them know, yeah, it's okay to cry here. This is crying material. If you watch Jaime, particularly the last parent in the film, I think I put his for last because I think his is just personally the most impactful on an emotional level. You can see him, you know, I kind of frame my shots very centered.

And so they're looking at the camera, but you'll see Jaime go and look over while he's talking and he's looking at my wife because my wife is sitting there with tears looking at him like crying and so and I almost put it in the film but again I didn't just for time he had stopped at one point and just couldn't talk anymore and my wife ran to him crying and they just hugged each other and held each other for like a minute and a half. And he cried on my wife's shoulder. Yeah. And you'll see at some points he does look over to her.

And so it is a beautiful dynamic that we have where I get to do what I do and she's there just to, yep, right there. You saw him look over right there. Yeah. Oh, you guys, you guys got to see this movie. It's such a good movie. I know some of you are going to be like, hey, I don't. Why would I sit down and watch a movie? It's going to make me cry. I'm telling you, this movie is going to make you a better person. This this is going to make you a better person. I when I watched it, I was also thinking thinking i hope this doesn't scare parents to become over protective but um but what you do need to be is uh vigilant and um and you need to be a parent you don't need to be over protective you just need to be a fucking parent and always be there for a kid it knocks his story at um the dad says and i don't want to ruin that film for

anyone but the dad says the hardest part for him was the fact that his son, who was a mile away from him, didn't come to his dad. Didn't know that, hey, I was here for you. And so, you know, somehow my mom has mastered that craft and always like I know that she's always there for me. I can always go to her. But man, that that is I think that's got to be one of the goals as parents. Right. That's like one of the big takeaways for the movie. Build a relationship with your child so that they know they can always come to you.

Yeah. And be real with your kids. Like, don't sugarcoat anything, because if you're giving them a phone, they're hearing way more than you think they are. They know all the language. They know who's doing what. They know about every drug. They know about sex. They know about all these things already,

and they're coming to you watching cartoons on a Saturday in their pajamas, and you think they're just this innocent little, you know, and they're not. They're being fed all of this nasty darkness that you don't know about because you've given them access to the internet. That's what you've done with social media. And they're going to see it. And you don't want them to see it and form their own opinions and thoughts about it before you get to them.

You don't want to do that. I'm having my own daughter in March and we've made a decision already. Like she's just gonna know, she's gonna know about everything. I'm not going to scare her. You know, I never live a life of fear, but she's going to know about everything that's out there and everything

that's trying to trap her because that's what's going on. And, um, I'd say don't hold back, you know, please don't hold back. You up nox's story and i this is actually sad oh our gender reveal yeah uh march you got your baby coming in march yeah all right well that's a very happy thing but you brought up nox story i don't want to forget it

because it goes to the parents point uh nox's dad actually recently passed from suicide and i wanted the fireman the fireman yeah and i say that i mentioned that to say he has three daughters left yeah i know and it's the just losing one was so much for him that he was a fireman right and his son had gotten clean gotten into recovery programs became someone who worked at recovery programs and brought hundreds of people to sobriety and then kind of out of nowhere relapse right met someone at like a tj maxx picked up a bag of heroin shot it up in the bathroom dead hey was it a girl was it a girl he met a girl drug dealer i don't know if they were together or what but isn't that interesting um i'm not saying it has to do with being a girl it could go the other way it could

have been a boy meeting a girl but isn't interesting that's the same story that you had in regards to the vape vaping i think yeah i think met sex and love are huge drivers for men to do stupid things for sure yeah yeah but so that's what happened to nox and and this is years after we made the film the father knew we put the film out right he had seen all the good that had been done with it and he was just fighting this battle internally that he he maybe wasn't telling people about and didn't know where to go to for help and unfortunately i think it was last year he took his life because the weight of that and that's going back to you know kids seeing what it does to their parents and then realizing like oh no i never want to cause that to my mom or dad and i know if nox would have seen what it had done to his family and now his father he he wouldn't have done the same

um but yeah just as a message to parents don't let it don't let it get to that point right they're one of the most powerful lines and i can't even remember which movie it was in of the two. I think it was Dead on Arrival. It's a father who had four daughters, and one of them passes from getting killed by fentanyl. And I didn't understand why they would say getting killed by fentanyl. But the reason why it's getting killed by fentanyl is because they're not taking fentanyl. They're doing some other substance, and then the fentanyl. But the reason why it's getting killed by fentanyl is because they're not taking fentanyl. They're doing some other substance and then the fentanyl's in there. And so they inadvertently take it and it kills them. They're basically poisoned.

And that subject's also touched on. We'll get back to that. And he said that when he looks at family pictures now of him and his wife and his three daughters together, he doesn't see his family. He sees a family with someone missing he he all he only focuses on the one that's missing and uh basically just talks about it as a daily uh a minute to minute daily nightmare he's living because one of his children is gone yeah he said in the film one of the most powerful lines i thought in the film was he said it's an odd feeling looking forward to dying because you know that's when your heart will be made whole again yeah that i grabbed my face when he said that that that ripped me apart it's um it's just

a void i think their name of their organization void um that they had started is just a perfect representation of what they feel every day it's just an empty hole every day that they had started is just a perfect representation of what they feel every day it's just an empty hole every day that they're desperately trying to fill and um man so so what i don't i had no idea that um uh you could get drugs so easily using social media you're telling me that these and i I don't use Snapchat. I only, I don't use Facebook either. I just use, I just mess around on Instagram a lot, but basically how, how does, how does that work? Is Snapchat the drug is, is that the app that people use to get drugs or there's a bunch of them? Snapchat, I think is the main platform used

because of the anonymity factor and the chats disappear right so i didn't see it coming i used to use snapchat in high school but i can see how it's happened now i saw snapchat turn into a platform where people young people would sell like naked pictures of themselves and so now it's turned into drugs because there's a local feature that's been added to where now you can actually speak to people in your area. And so once that happened, drug dealers locally decided, hey, I can get on. No one will know who I am. I can talk to kids who are local to me within a driving distance, sell them drugs, and then everything disappears after the transaction takes place. So that's what's going on. They'll advertise and post their menu of drugs on Snapchat. It'll get picked up by the local, you know, geotag filters or whatever that stuff is. Right. And kids can search for these emojis and hashtags and things that are, for example, M30 is very popular. That's the Oxycontin M30, which is not really Oxycontin. It's made to look like the M30 and it's just fentanyl, those little blue pills. And so they'll get on there, order it,

have this conversation with the dealer, totally anonymous, send them snap cash or whatever, or Venmo or cash up through their phone. And the dealer will show up to their family's home. The kids will go outside and say, hey, my friend's here. He's dropping something off or whatever. Okay, honey. Walks outside, grabs a bag, stuffs in his pocket, walks inside. Good night, Mom, Dad, love you. Go in his room, put some music on, pop the pillow.

The parent's fine. Dead the next morning. And they go, what the heck happened? Totally blindsided. And by the way, he is not telling isolated instances no like we started the show it's two points if there's every year being born now is 3.6 million kids are born in the united states every year and i think we're over a hundred thousand um fentanyl deaths a year now in 2022 caleb will look that up now so that's 2.7 for those of you who don't know

that's massive how come um are people get aren't the drug dealers afraid that when they get there it's going to be a sting and it's going to be cops who set them up maybe i mean, I don't use Snapchat anymore for this reason, but I could imagine that they have some way to verify if it's a fake account or not. Oh, wow. Wow. I mean, you'd have to do a lot to as a cop to make one kid's account to look like a real kid where they have friends and followers. And that you can tell when Instagram accounts fake, you know, I imagine. Right, right, right. How does that, can you, if I went to, I've never even used Snapchat. If I go to a Snapchat account, do I, I can see like a history of like stuff people have posted.

Is it like that? Is it like Facebook and Instagram like that? And so that I can, how would you verify if someone's account is real or not? Do you have followers on Snapchat? There's, um, there's like points, at least when I used it, there was points for sending snaps, you build up points. So like the amount of conversations you've had shows like a number, like this, how many snaps I've sent. And yeah, I think you can post stories and history. They'd have to be friends and points there. And, you know, for cops to do, I'm not saying they haven't, but to put all that work in just to try to catch one dealer. There's so many now.

You know, we're also not talking about the accessibility of how easy it is to become a drug dealer today. You can order all the ingredients for fentanyl on the internet and ship it to your door and put it together yourself in fact they sell the pill binders and the powder on amazon you can get them delivered by prime by binders you mean the stuff that makes the the the materials the chemicals stick together and then some sort of printing press and you can print your own pills yeah both of those you can order on amazon in fact fact, if you search for, um, buy supplement powder, they'll use different wordings on Amazon. They'll have all these different colors. Uh, at least last time I looked and they had 20 or 30 different colors of powder of which you can make supplements or vitamins from they'll say.

And typically when you look at these listings, just like when you go to buy a t-shirt, right? What's usually the first color. If there's like 10 colors, it'll be black or white, like the most popular, the first color powder that is listed on these Amazon listings is this baby blue, which is the same color of Oxycontin M30s, which tells me that's the most popular one that's ordered, which tells me that, you know, these college age or whoever drug dealers who are wanting to put this stuff together in their own home will just- Oh, shit. Oh, shit.

Hey, and I just went to Amazon and I put capsule making machine and you can buy, I mean, for sure you can make capsules. There it is. Mixed powder, baby blue. I ain't lying. God, this is nuts. So you just got to figure out how to get the fentanyl, which is not that hard. I mean, it's, I don't, I haven't dove into a black market or anything like that all that much, but.

Another great, go ahead, go ahead. I was going to say, $10,000 worth of fentanyl powder turns into about a million bucks on the street. So you could have, wow. Why they're doing this. Um, and,

and, and then, and then inadvertently you end up killing people, uh, thinking you're just being an entrepreneur selling pills and you inadvertently, has anyone ever, has anyone been tried and prosecuted, um, of these like you know like some 16 year old kid who thinks he's

gonna sell fentanyl at school and he makes a pill and kill someone and they try him for murder yeah so matt the the one who we're talking about where he only looks at his daughter who's lost out of his poor daughter yeah they just so that his daughter passed in 2020 and just a couple of months ago got him to do a murder plea. And so to the guy who sold it to her, sold it to her. Yeah. And he's one of the very, very, very few. In fact, most of the people who have most of the families have this happen. The cost will show up and they they'll treat it as an overdose crime scene which are not crime scene this is an overdose death which is way different than processing

things as a homicide so they don't take enough evidence to even so matt had to go through hell to literally just get the get the phone back from the police and all the information that they need to prove that this guy had knowledge of what he was selling, knowing that, right, the mens rea, as they say, like that he had the knowledge that he was selling something to this girl that was not what she thought it was that he knew could possibly kill her. Just to get that took years because they had showed up and basically said, I'm sorry, sir, your daughter died of an overdose. She shouldn't have been using drugs. And they treat it like that.

So now I think a lot of police departments and stuff are changing the way that they handle overdoses and showing up with a homicide team rather than a couple officers to, you know, cry with a couple of parents. Because they're looking at it as killings and murders, not drug use. Austin Hartman, I've got a buddy who works for the DEA. He said they're directing most of their attention towards homemade synthetic pill operators. Yeah, there's so many of them. Let's not forget that the FBI has 80 people working there who are trying to block tweets. has 80 people working there who are trying to block tweets. After I watched your movie, YouTube started suggesting all these fentanyl movies to me and drug overdose movies to me. And what's so unique about your film is every single one of

these other films is showing people who are on the streets. It's showing the streets. And what your movie shows is not the streets. These are people in suburbia, like you said, a 14-year-old kid who just goes on his Snapchat, orders a pill, has it delivered to his house unbeknownst to his parents, and boom, he's dead in the morning. Yeah. yeah and then at the end of the movie you put together a collage of all of these parents that part uh i think my sister was in the room when that came on and i she gasped uh audibly like oh shit um how did you get those or how did you did you get all the how did you get all those parents saying holding up the pictures and saying my child died from fentanyl? Those were just a few of the personal relationships that those four parents have made after their kids dying. So they're in a Facebook groups and stuff with thousands, like Jaime says, thousands of parents who have all had this happen in their own home. And it was just,

we put out one post and said, Hey, you know, I thought this would be a cool way to close the film. Would anyone be down to hop on zoom? And we had, you know, almost 50 parents just like that. I think it was the next, next day or something show up. It was easy. That was easy. The easiest part was to find them, The easiest part was to find them, which is horrible. Crazy. But there are so many. Dominic Tirno, three movies, Dead on Arrival, Knox's Story, and The Other Side.

Am I just a bad – my wife says I'm a bad looker. Why couldn't I find The Other Side? Is that because I'm a bad looker or because it's – I mean, I went on YouTube, typed in The Other Side side and scrolled for 15 minutes i'm not no exaggeration looking for that movie so i made that when i was 17 i had just graduated high school and the film was bought i didn't know what i was doing at that point so i was paid to make that film a very small amount because i was young and I just wanted to do it. And so good on you. That's the way to do it. I mean, I'm glad I did. I have no regret, but I didn't keep the film. It was basically film was bought. And so there was actually a nonprofit made called kids from the other side around that film. And I'm not sure that they're doing it anymore.

It was a doctor who was leading that. And I have the film file. I just never uploaded it because they had been the ones to distribute it. And I think their accounts and websites, they're not doing it anymore. Who is it? Did you sell it to Gravitas?

No. No, it was an addiction specialist and he did a lot to help make the film possible and he took it to a lot a lot of kids in different states and stuff and so they did they did well with it i may put it up again i may not it's 10 years old dude put it put it up it's you know it's also one of those where it's like i gotta there should be no ego in it i made it when i was 17 right the best thing i've ever made but you know i'm really trying to point people towards this fence film message because what happened here in idaho they're actually using my film and i meet with some of the people who run the drug education here in idaho and so they'll say, well, we love the other side. It was just some of the

schools. We don't know if we should, they think it's a little harsh, a little extreme. And I'm like, that's exactly what I don't want to happen. I don't want the other side to become a substitute for this fentanyl message, which needs to happen now. So I've been really trying to focus my YouTube account. I'd put away everything besides that project yeah i noticed yeah yeah yeah yeah you really your youtube account you're directing everything to that yeah man what it's it's so um are you working on another film yeah so next project this is my first time saying it publicly is a film that has been put on my heart called guard your heart and basically what i want to get into now is going to the root of why these kids are

making this decision to try drugs or order a pill or something in the first place and i want to look at social media because i have a personal story which I'm going to tell in the film about me being 12, 13 years old and Instagram coming out and me getting an iPod touch or an iPhone for the first time and having this access to the internet and Spotify and streaming music and YouTube and how that started to affect my brain, the way I speak, the way I thought about myself, the things I thought upon and meditated on, and how that ultimately caused a lot of suffering and pain and anxiety and depression in my life. I think a lot of music and pop culture and videos glorify drugs, sex, anxiety, depression, suicide, and there's no- Bro, you're too young to be there already you got old no i know you sound like a 50 year old man and i'm not going to in the film i'm not gonna you

know my kid you guys stop watching this stuff it's not gonna work right yeah but i'm just gonna tell my story and say hey here's everything i consumed right i went in the bathroom and watched porn every day right i don't anymore right i've been freed from that addiction every boy would do that yeah no but i did give them a phone if you give a boy a phone he's watching porn 100 i was listening to whatever music i wanted all of a sudden i was going on xbox live or or playstation live whatever and and playing at 12 shooting a bunch of people and killing them on a controller and then hearing like a 20 year old yell in my ear that my mom's a whore and stuff because i shot him on call of duty and you're laughing right and it's like okay but i'm 12 and i'm hearing this stuff and that starts to

become my language. So then I'm playing. Is that the way it is? I've never played one of those games. Is that, that's a true, like you'll, you'll be like,

Oh, it's true. Caleb, you shoot someone and then a 20 year old will call a 12 year old. Mom's a whore. It's like, Oh, fuck your mom,

bitch. And then it's just, Oh my God. Right. And I'm sitting there all day and I'm not going outside anymore and with friends because now we're all inside playing games. And so I go play these games and I'm online and I'm hearing all this stuff and I'm cussing back and my parents aren't home. So I'm doing whatever I want. Right.

And then I go in my iPod and I go jack off to, you know, get my steam off because I'm all amped up from shooting people online. And then I throw on some rap music and it's talking about drugs and all this stuff. And I'm 12, 13, 14. And now, now it's worse because now it's social media and they're looking at reels and TikToks and you watch the video and the next one just pops up automatically. And they're sitting there with their eyes wide open, just letting anything come in, in the midst of doing all this. And they're addicted to their phones and it's doing something to their minds. it's doing something to the way they think about themselves obviously the choices they make and um that needs to be addressed in a huge huge way because that's become so normalized and parents have no idea what no idea going on in their kids

mind no clue it's funny i've one of the themes in the show is uh you should never give your kid i don't think you should give your kid a cell phone and i think that when parents say that they do it for safety reasons that's just bullshit basically what parents are doing is they're saying that they're scared and they're willing to jeopardize their kid to alleviate their own fear i uh there's this kid that my kid plays tennis with and he didn't get his cell phone until he was 15. And then I've had some guests on the show who just are just young people, you know, your age and they're, they have their shit. So together. And I, the thing I always hear

from them, the common theme is I'm homeschooled. I was homeschooled. I didn't get a cell phone until I was older. And even yesterday at the skate park, I met a 15 year old kid. He was the coolest kid ever. He was so fucking cool. And I'm like, uh, uh, um, no, no, he was older now. He was like 20. I met him yesterday at the skate park. He was like 23. And I go, Hey dude, I go, were you homeschooled?

And he goes, no. And I go, when'd you get a cell phone? He goes, not till I was almost 16. I go, were you the last one in your friends to get a cell phone? He goes, Oh yeah. Everyone else got them when they were like 12. And I'm like, no shit. I go, do you think that's why you're so cool a cell phone? He goes, oh, yeah, everyone else got them when they were like 12. And I'm like, no shit. I go, do you think that's why you're so cool?

He's like, oh, that's a huge part of it. When you see it, fuck your friends up. He goes, fuck them up. He's like, my friends all of a sudden change. Giving a kid a cell phone, you know, like when one of your friends would start doing drugs and they just change. I don't know if you had any friends who ever get into meth, but all of a sudden shit starts getting weird. It's like that with kids. You give them cell phones and they just start changing.

Yep. It's exactly what the film is going to be about. Because I started changing. And I said what I said about I went to Jack. I really don't like talking like that. But I said it because that was my attitude. It was just like, yeah, I'm doing that. And it's changed a lot for me now so but it's that's what it did it changed me to where i was just i would talk like that i would think like that and it was just i had to live in my own little world

and no one had any idea and it cost me it cost me for a long time i'm still working through the memories and kind of renewing my mind, you know, to not think these sort of ways anymore, because you develop habits and patterns and neural pathways and all that stuff that happens in the brain and in the soul. And I want to help kids prevent that. Yeah. I use the analogy of one time when I was 17 or 18, i was in my room and i had gotten like a switch blade knife i thought it was really cool right and so i was using it so they are pretty cool they are they are cool i have a few right but i was sitting there i was like opening up a package right with my knife and i'm sitting there and i slipped with the knife and i stabbed myself in

the thigh and i pull the knife out of my thigh. Ah, blood's just pouring down my leg. I'm in my room like, oh crap, right? And just blood's just pouring out. And I probably needed stitches, but I didn't want to tell anyone. I was embarrassed at the time that I stabbed myself in the leg. Yeah, what kind of gangster stabs himself

with his own switchblade? Yeah, not me, right? But I still have a scar. And if I press the scar on my thigh i it still hurts right if i put to this day probably almost 10 years ago and so i use that analogy with what they're doing with social media and the stuff they're consuming it's like stabbing your soul or your brain with a knife wow it's leaving a scar it's very quick to do the damage and it takes a long long time to heal and that's what i've experienced in my personal life dealing with everything that i let into

my mind and into my heart it's i did damage really quick and i didn't realize that the healing takes a bit longer than than the damage does so This is one of my prized possessions. That is way cooler than mine. This is what I wanted when I was probably like seven years old. But it was worth the wait until I was

40 whenever someone gave it to me as a gift. Thank you for buying me this, whoever bought me this. And I don't live in california um not legal in california um imagine the imagine the uh you're having a daughter imagine the one of the ways i raise my boys is i want my boys to be um good mates and imagine this cohort of young boys that's grown up like this now and that's the choice for girls out there it's a fucking it's a fucking disaster yeah i have a kid who works for me 17 his name's ian and he's like my only hope for his age group right now because all his

buddies and friends i've met i'm like i don't even you know you know what i'm talking about just yeah yeah weird and awkward and shy and not mature and not tough and like just i'm like what is going on with men you know and if you start saying that and it's like oh you're being massaged or whatever they say and it's like no there's a real issue with like the man is trying they're trying to kill the man you know in masculinity and all these things that men are supposed to be our kids are not growing up with because of all this medicating and what they're being fed on social media and all the sensitivity and stuff that's going on it's you think that the cell phone is really do you think it's one of the root causes of this

just people getting phones too early i remember coming home from school and my mom not being there and we had encyclopedias and then we had these two massive dictionaries and I would look up bad words. Most of them weren't in there. Right. But I would like look up like dick. It wasn't in there. I'd look up fuck. It wasn't in there. And then finally I'd look up bitch and it's in there. But it has a shitty definition. It's a female dog. And I'm like this or I look up fag and it has nothing to do with home. Yeah. I'm just like this. But that up fag and it has nothing to do with home yeah i'm just like this but my that's what my friends and i would do we're in the eighth grade we're 13 and you know i've snuck them over to the house and we're looking at bad words but if i would have had a

phone i would have put together some crazy words like you know what i mean i would have i would have looked up just anything fucking anything as an eighth grade boy I think there'd be no end to my creativity. Right. And I think I don't, so I don't think the cell phone is the root, right? The root is we have a nature to be drawn towards those types of things, towards things that are,

we want that stimulus, right? Yeah. And there is a rebellion nature in all of us that we will use these tools and get addicted to very quickly. So cell phone is just your encyclopedia. Exponentially, you know, made now they're made available to way, way, way more. way way more so it's the same nature probably that you had or that i had as a kid but the tools now to feed that are just astronomically more advanced in a negative way i mean i don't think that cell phones are evil is what i'm trying to say i think there's a nature in us that is drawn to evil and we use cell phones to access all that. And you can use them in a good way, obviously.

I don't think people created them with the intention necessarily to kill kids and make them depressed and suicidal and all that stuff. Obviously not. But that's what they're being used for. And evil will take advantage of these tools knowing how accessible they can be to to kids i remember when i was a kid i'd go in a bookstore like barnes and noble where you could listen to cds and like test them out before you buy them and i'd go try to find all the rap cds with the bad lyrics like eminem while my mom shopped for her books and i'd be in there and listen to eminem

just like cussing and stuff i'd be like like, yeah, you know, like 10 years old. Right. And so imagine that now it's like now you have a phone, you have Spotify or Apple Music and your parents have an account for free. And you just just go on, listen, whatever you want, whatever you want. So, yeah, we go to the library and find the Playboy magazines. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

It's for me. It was an iPod touch and I'd go on google images and look up like boobies you know yeah yeah yeah i just save them all to my camera i probably have still done that in the last 10 years maybe i don't want to like admit anything but maybe i've done that right but now you don't have to look for it now right it's everywhere and it's already there for you and so kids are not even looking anymore they're just wow they're just seeing it and then you know those habits start being formed i have to tell you this story we would um go to the library uh my friend his name was patrick and andrew and we were in the eighth grade and we would go to the library and we would they would

have playboy magazines there and we would get the playboy magazines and we would open up to to the centerfold and then the one the librarian uh this is the public library not the school library and when the librarian librarian would get up from her her her table we would go set the centerfold wide open on her desk and then go away like you know like 30 or 40 feet and then when she would come back to her desk she would see it and then we would walk over and ask her like so we like we caught like we were catching her looking at it we would plant it on her desk and then we would ask her a question like we're looking for uh oh what are you looking at miss so-and-so she'd have like the name tag on. And it would be, we, those would be the crazy stunts. We were ahead of our time. If we would have had cell phones,

then we would have filmed that shit. I highly recommend you do that to your local librarian kids with your cell phone. I think kids are going to, kids are gonna do stuff like that. Right. And they're that nature and pull pranks and be funny and all that stuff so you know i i think it's better that we make this content have this messaging and say hey okay you're gonna do stuff like that sometimes but i want you to be aware of what can happen if you start getting into all that stuff in a negative way and all that and so we're not going to keep

no one was going to keep you from doing that right but it'd be better if they told you at the time too like you know all right you're going to look at this you're going to see this stuff and you might think it's funny or whatever but here's the negative side of it and just parents being very real you know about these kind of things that if if they start treating the wrong way, it could turn into something really negative and dark and unhealthy for them. I wish I could remember the name of this book, but there was this book that this author wrote. She was a female. I heard her being interviewed and she was talking about how she went into into the country somewhere and she met a guy and they had sex. And the sex with this guy was so different than any other guy she'd ever had sex with and she was tripping on it and then about a year into the relationship she realized the guy had never seen porn oh wow and because of that

i can't even remember the characteristics of the intimacy that she detailed but how different it was right with a guy who had never seen porn versus and she came from new york city versus coming from an area where it was all her the guy those guys probably watch porn every single fucking day and and and that's that's the thing maybe that i'm hearing from you that most needs to be conveyed these things will change you when you see them do you want do you want them to are you okay with them changing you right yeah it's and you should not be okay and but they don't know how it's going to change them and so someone has to show them that and say

hey because they're look you look at a naked woman on a screen you're like there's nothing wrong with this this is right you know and it's like well let me show you i'm 10 years ahead of you of of having done all that and here's what i've dealt with now being in a marriage right and now i'm with someone solely for the rest of my life, having to depart from my mental habits that were formed of what girl am I looking at today and having this sexual kind of moment with today. And all of a sudden, you go, you start catching yourself looking at women walking down the street, like, oh, I wonder she'd be nice to, you know, whatever. And all these thoughts that you start having. And then you're like, why am I thinking like that? like that and it's like well because i just opened my eyes to woman after woman after woman after

woman after woman on my screen in my alone time every single day and now here i am going to be a father of a daughter who's supposed to raise up a woman you know be married to a woman loyal to her and i'm fighting these old thought patterns of like ew i don't want to think like that you know um uh audrey uh kids cuss to their parents nowadays it's disgusting my kids cuss um they're and they're only six and eight it's disgusting it's one thing to say cuss words in front of them but even in 34 years i've said two cuss words in front of my dad it's called respect uh my kid said 300 cuss words in front of me um uh yesterday but but i will tell you this well i don't have to defend but maybe we'll come back to that in a second if you think cuss words are the

if you can get a kid to make eye contact and say hi to every adult and shake their hand and i will get into that i think that there's a i think there's nuances um wads on me the chat wants to know is dominic uh religious um uh dominic you are religious right is it the painting um i don't use that word religious okay religious to me sounds like rules. Are you a follower of Christ? Are you Christian? I love Jesus. Yeah, I do. And honestly, that's kind of what's helped me get through all of that garbage that I put into my mind for years and years.

I grew up in a rough family situation. My mom was addicted to alcohol. I've had five or so stepdads. We moved around a lot and just went through a lot of crap. Five stepdads, you said? Yeah. Yeah. A lot of divorce, a lot of drug abuse and stuff, alcohol abuse I witnessed, verbal abuse and all sorts of things. And my mom did one good thing. She did many good things. But one good thing that she did was she decided to take me to church when I was nine years old. And I started being fed things that really helped me, things that didn't

make me feel like alone and afraid and negative and dark. And that really, I feel like kept me grounded and solid throughout my childhood and everything that we went through. I departed from that when I started looking at all this stuff, right? And getting into my own ways and living on my own. And for years, I dealt with addiction. I dealt with with temptation I dealt with anxiety and depression and suicidal thoughts and panic and all sorts of things I didn't realize that was a result of me having departed from what was keeping me grounded and going into all this garbage and stuff that I was consuming so that's kind of part of my story. Only in recent years have I kind of fixed my, my relationship with God and I'm very much a credit that to where I am today

and me being able to do this work. And so am I a religious? No, you know what I mean? I don't, I don't look at that way. I have a relationship with God that has absolutely changed my life. And that's that. Was there something that, this reconnecting with Jesus, was there a moment that it happened? Is there a story that there's a day, a moment in time where you reconnected? Yeah. So I was living in LA and I was living a real cool life. I had a three-story loft in LA. I was driving the Mustang I always wanted. I was working with celebrities and influencers and I was doing my thing, but I was absolutely miserable. I lived alone. I was alone. I was having panic attacks all the time. I was trying to self-medicate, like I was talking about with the nicotine and all that stuff.

And just nothing was working. I got very desperate. And there was one instance where one night my friends had come over and we were playing basketball. And it was like a totally fine night. And my heart just started racing like crazy and i just started getting like overwhelming thoughts come upon me i'm sure a lot of people watching have had this experience where like you just randomly it's like having a hard time trying to get a grip on your mind and just thoughts are coming in so i just got this panic i went to a

full panic attack for like two or three hours my My friends were like, I really thought I was going to die. I mean, my friends were like sitting there, like grabbing me like, dude, it's okay. It's okay for two or three hours. Finally calm down. And in that moment, I think when you think you're going to die in your face with death, many people will in that instance, cry out to God. And it takes reaching that point for someone to go, oh my gosh, I might leave my body right now. Where am I going? God help me. Right. And so I had to get to that point where

I was like, oh no, God, God, please. God, God. And then so I've calmed down. Right. And so I got to that point where I was like, oh my gosh, if I died right then, what am I doing? I have all this stuff. I have money. I'm working with these people, but like, what does it all mean? Why? I don't have peace in my life. I don't have joy. And it just really put a mirror in front of my face of like, what am I turning into? And I just had a desire after that to get right with God again, because I remembered that peace and that joy that I had as a kid when my mom took me to church and I had a relationship with Jesus. And so I called my grandparents, who were pretty much the only

Christian people that I knew presently at that time. And I said, hey, I want to go to a church here in L.A. Will you guys meet me? And they drove almost an hour from where they live to go to this little church that was being held in elementary school with me. And I sat in the back row and they played the worship music and they were singing. I understand they're all tough because I was all LA cool guy. And I just broke and tears started coming down my face. And I felt that presence of God again that I knew when I was a kid. And I knew that was going to be all right, but I knew I had some work to do to get back on the right track. And so living in LA, I started going to church again, one foot in the world, one foot walking with God, trying to break all these old lifestyle patterns that I had created. And he was very

patient with me, led me to Idaho. Again, going back to the values of why I moved here, came out here with my wife and we just said, hey, are we just going to live halfway in? Are we going to really try this thing out? And I said, no, I want to know if Jesus is legit. I want to know if this Christian walk is real and what it'll do for my life. And since then, our life has been a living testimony of exactly that. We've followed the Lord, you know, which sounds religious to some people, but all it is is just walking with him, being led by him, being in prayer, right? And just having a relationship with God. And we've been so blessed as a result.

Addictions have fallen off. Anxiety has fallen off. Depression has fallen off. We love people more. We want to serve and give to people more. We have more joy and love in our relationship. We fight less. And it's a totally as a result of who I've learned about Jesus and the relationship I have with him. There's nothing religious about it. So how many years ago that when I went to

church that day was for about four years ago. And I'd say it took me to, to get to the point where I was kind of felt like I was living a double life. And I was like, all right, am I really going to see if this is real or not? Because a lot of people go to church religious, right? I'll go to church every Sunday. I'll say a prayer over my food. You're not experiencing God, you know, you're going to experience the heart change right and his love and these things that are very real until you actually go in and say all right i'm gonna try this your way here's this bible that we have it's the oldest book in all of the world right and it's i'm gonna see if this actually works so So let me try this out, you know,

and then say, you know, it took me two or three years to actually commit to doing that. And as a result, we've been very blessed. So Matt Burns says there are no atheists and foxholes. What is when, when I saw,

when I saw your movie last night and i was looking at your instagram account let me let me go back a second i'm going to say something uh la is not a good place that should be the opening line of a book los angeles is a trippy place and the vast majority of people i know who grew up there even the most realist and kindest of them have a veneer on them that I don't think that they know that they have on them it is fucking weird and I thought for sure when you came on the show today that you were gonna have that veneer and I have not seen it once it's crazy even those I've heard this same talk from other people from LA that I'm hearing from you about – but man, like you're doing it. I sense no LA veneer on you. I don't know how you were able to wash it off, but there is this – it's not all the people there um but a ton of them especially in your

line of work have a veneer on them that is for me intolerable yeah completely fucking intolerable it's it's um i wish i knew i wish i could describe it without being negative but because i i want to use the word it's just this douchebag thing but i i have a good friend down there now in orange county and they basically told me that everyone in la is a liar and that they just accept it like everyone will just lie to you about their accolades what they do and uh and i and i almost feel it it's it's weird it's a trippy place. I was living a fake life. I want to correct something I said.

I think I said the Bible is the oldest book. I don't know if that's true. It's the most reproduced book we have from the old ages. I think it's the most translations of that book. It's the most vetted book that we have historically. I wanted to correct that. If I said something incorrect, I wanted to make that clear. As far as living in LA, that's exactly what I was feeling. I think that's a result of why I had the anxiety and stuff I did is because the person I was outside was a lot different than who

I was inside. And I was, you could imagine living these two personalities and they're just pulling and it creates this tension. And so here's what people know me as and what I want them to think I am. And here's what I know I'm actually, I actually am right now. And that's over time living there. I feel like those two go farther and farther apart because you want people to think you're so much cooler, so much better becomes an addiction. And then in the inside, you're just like becoming weaker and weaker, realizing that you're living a lie. And that tension is what I describe as that anxiety and panic that I had where you just, you're like, oh my gosh, I can't do that. It's like actual tension in my chest that I was living with for years. And I had to get out. I had to break it

off. It was disgusting. Some people live comfortably in that way. I don't know how they do it. Well, I think maybe ignorance is bliss, too. I think ignorance is bliss, too. Some people think that they actually are that thing. Right. They don't even know that they're I think some of those people don't even know that they put on a veneer. Right. They just completely lost themselves. How did you how did you meet your wife? So here's a God story, because there are no coincidences like this. So I was shooting a video for Platinum Motorsport, which is in L.A., and they had an event with Floyd Mayweather. It was their L. their la is all fake it till you make it yeah it is that's a great description david yeah that's what my friends

tell me to have down there tell me yeah so i was shooting this video for this red carpet event right and i was like seeing celebrities left and right and i'm speaking of veneer you know i was trying to act all like whatever cool at this event so i'm on this red carpet all these people are coming in and coming in and i see this beautiful woman you could look her up on instagram if you want if she wants to pull her up samaritana it's a m a r a oh yeah she is hot i'd look for her so i i put her so i see her on the on the side of this red carpet there's this girl all these celebrities coming in and here's this girl like standing on her phone looking around like by herself and i'm like what is she doing is she lost like does she need help but i'm working so i'm

like okay i can't go up and talk to this girl but i want to make sure she's okay anyway there's a breaking point where my friend pulls up to this red carpet. He's in a car, obviously, with two other people. One is this really tall African-American guy. And the other one is Neo, the art, the music artist. So they hop out. Here's my friend. I'm like, what's up, bro? And I turn. I'm like, Neo. Neo, right? And then here's the girl I was just staring at for an hour at the red carpet, hugging this very tall African-American man. And I'm like, crap, that's her boyfriend. I can't talk to her because I don't want to fight that guy. You know what I mean? And so we go into this event.

I'm filming and like trying to go back, talk to my friend, still like mesmerized by her going back, filming, talking to her talking to neo and then we hang out for like four to six hours and i never introduced myself whatsoever i i think i maybe had got her name from my friend but i didn't get her instagram date or number i thought she was dating this guy turns out she wasn't i didn't know that that was just a friend that she had met that was her first night in la that's why she was on her phone looking around. She had no idea where she was. It was the only person she knew, and he had said,

hey, if you want to come to this event tonight, come check it out, whatever. So she went. Where was she from? First night in L.A., where was she from? My wife was born and raised in Newark, New Jersey. Okay. I'm sorry. Good.

Yeah. Her parents are, she's first generation. Her parents are from Brazil. So my wife's from Brazil. Oh, well, that's good. That balances it out. New Jersey. Wow. Good. Yeah. Her parents are, she's first generation. Her parents are from Brazil. So I might as well. Oh, well that's good. That balances it out. New Jersey.

Wow. Okay. Yeah. So two weeks go by. I'm still thinking about her. I'm like, come on. Give me another chance.

I need another chance. Right. I'm hanging out with this other girl who has a boyfriend. I was friends with the couple and she's like, Dom, we need to get you set up which people have said you know before and i'm like yeah yeah okay whatever she's like no no no i know this girl she's new to la you guys would be perfect for each other you have no idea and

i'm like all right whatever people say that i'm like what does she look like you know so she pulls up her instagram shows me the phone and i go oh my dude la is not small for people who don't know that does not happen in los angeles yeah had nothing to do with the event that we were at whatsoever totally like 30 minutes away millions of people in la and she goes here's the one for you i look at the phone i go oh my gosh we gotta call her right now this is crazy she's gonna flip out oh my gosh this is so exciting you guys are gonna be married you know isn't that and she's like calling her facetimes and like you're on facetime and you talk to her now now i got all this confidence like this is meant to be you know and so she gets her on facetime says samara you won't believe who I'm with right now. And then I'm like, getting ready. And she turns the phone.

She's like, and I'm like, hey, what's up? And Samara just goes. I'm like, it's me from the party. We were at Platinum Motorsport. And then we went to that club after. And we were with Neo. She's like, no, you have to remember. She had no

idea where she was. She didn't know that was Neo. It was her first night in LA. She had no idea what we did that night. She had no idea where we were. She's not remembering. I clearly didn't make much of an impression. I'm okay. She didn't remember you at all? She didn't remember the camera guy? Now she remembers. She's lying. We get get no love the camera guy's getting no love

you're not lying come on we're married now you better not be lying this is the foundation of our relationship no it's good so what kind of camera did you have i had a sony a7s2 it was on a gimbal yeah yeah girl she was she saw you then she saw you then she remembers the blackjack she remember she remembered but at first she it was just me it was dark like on the facetime this guy saying remember me you know she had no idea like who i was by the way i saw your la side when you did that what when you did that that's the first time i seen it when you hey girl yeah again i saw it i saw it that was good you still got you still got it if you need it in there somewhere

but yeah that was crazy it was two weeks later we were on the facetime and then turned out she was totally friends with it was like the only other people she had met in between that period of time and so i was just like well this has to be something because someone's statistic, who knows, please calculate what that is. It's got to be one in millions and millions odds of that happening. And so it took a while for us to actually go on a date. She was a model traveling. And so she had left L.A., come to L.A., left L.A.

And like I said, we were living different lifestyles at that point. She was going to clubs. I was going to parties and all this stuff. So it took a while. Was that before the anxiety attack that you met her or after? No. That night on the carpet, was that before anxiety attack? No, that was after.

After, okay. It was after. That was after I had gone back to church. That happened. And we did not start dating until she came back to LA one time after being gone for what, babe? Six months? A year. She'd been gone from LA for almost a year

and came back to LA. And that night we remet again at Mosaic, which is a church in Hollywood at church that night. The day she came back you you made arrangements to see her no i didn't make arrangements i went to church she came back to la asking her friends where i was we had hardly talked at that point that's a good sign she came out to where's dom is he going to church and so i went to church she went to mosaic same church that night i walked into church had no idea she was back i

just hear dumb and i look and turn to her and she's like and she had never looked at me like that before i was like because we barely like that cool thing had happened but we had barely talked or anything and so she described were you tracking her that whole year though through social media like were you like making sure like keeping tabs on her what's funny is i wasn't because after that had happened you know that amazing thing happened and then we're on facetime and she didn't really remember who i was and then nothing really happened after that point i kind of got discouraged and i was like right like you contracted back or i was like maybe this wasn't what i thought it was what's going on but while she was gone traveling people would dm me. One kid from Brazil, actually, who followed her, sent her profile to me and said, hey, you should date her.

And I'm like, again? No shit, I'm trying. Yeah. Like, yeah, thanks, Captain Obvious. You know, it's like, so they're sending me her profile. And I'm like, what is going on with this girl? And anyway, so it wasn't until we went went church that night and then we reconnect and from there it's just i say that's god's timing it was the right time for us to start our relationship and it was just from there we got married what

a year and seven months later so yeah um it's you seem like a very brave man dude the uh i know documentary filmmaking is a shit ton of work um you've saved a ton of people's lives you have your in my opinion you're going down the right path by giving all your shit away free um because we we those of us that do that end up getting rewarded handsomely and you shouldn't do it for that reason absolutely not but the world is a um the world is a magical place. And I think that when you help others, the world will conspire to help you. I don't think that. I know that.

And it seems like you've landed on that pathway. And it sounds like you found your North Star through Jesus. Yeah. And it sounds like you found your North star through Jesus. Yeah. I mean, well, it's a very biblical worldview that you just review that you just said, and which is sowing and reaping,

which is basically the world. The world says I need to take, right. And I'm going to store up for myself and I need to get mine. So I'm going to get, make the films that pay me the most money. I could have went and made music videos or porn or whatever. You know what I mean?

And only fans. Can you imagine the temptation there was to start doing that when i was in la being being able to film stuff anyway and the bible says no we're going to give and we're going to sew in and then we're going to reap as a result of that and so i do believe the success we've had doing this has been a result of us saying no no, we're going to give this and we're going to do it for the right reason and not selfishly. And we've totally been blessed as a result. So yeah, that's how it works. And I think it's universal. You don't have to believe in Jesus right now for that to work for you. I think God will prove himself to you and that his way works before you make that decision. think yeah like i'm totally i

don't believe in jesus but i'm totally open to it come get me that's great you know cut that clip eight uh cut that clip 136 send that to god tell him to send his son down and get me uh dominic i you what a pleasure to meet you i i uh i should should have known Jorge Ventura would not have sent me a chump. You are a fucking class act, dude. You have my phone number. I'd love to stay in touch with you. I don't sleep by my phone. You can text me 24 hours a day.

You didn't give me your phone number. You're one of those weirdos that does everything by email. I'd like to have your phone number. I'd like to be friends with you. We texted. Oh, we did? Oh, you know what? I think Sousa, the executive producer, left me off that text.

He called, we did text? We did text. Or else I would have texted him because yesterday he said, oh, I left you off the communications. That's the first time I've done that in 700 shows or something. Well, then were they texting as you because we text and you're like no then i did text and i'm just a horrible remember okay so you're not a weirdo i'm just an old man with a bad memory uh uh please stay in touch if there's anything i can ever do to help uh promote draw

point light at any of the projects you're working on, you're always welcome. Yeah, for sure. You're always welcome on the show. Idaho is a place that in the back of my mind is a place that I would like to maybe move someday. And so you have been a good role model and example for me that you weren't scared and you packed up and hit the road. By the way, your house is beautiful. I saw it on Instagram. Thank you so much. Yeah.

Come visit. I'd love to. Man, it'd be so cool to meet you and just show you how things are out here. It'd be really fun. Thank you. What camera are you using now? For this? Just what's your go-to camera now like if like it for for your because you said the sony a7

2 and that was a few years ago and i and i'm a huge um a7s3 guy like i just like i'm just giddy every time i see it give me the box sitting there another god thing i just found this guy on craigslist he's a film teacher for 30 years and he was selling this uh-oh this is my nerdy side yeah i love the nerdy side they pointed that point the screen look at that oh what is it this so it's a lumix s5 oh awesome awesome yeah we converted all of these vintage canon lenses oh my goodness to adapt to the s5 so these are from like the 80s and stuff right they're canon fd lenses they look like a leica when you shoot through them and so yeah this 4k camera which the other camera i use is a black magic that shoots black magic for all the 6k pro so like this when you

hook the black magic video assist up to it the recorder you can could black magic 6k from this camera with vintage canon film lenses like cine lenses on it and it just looks so amazing it's beautiful you should if you're a camera guy oh my gosh i'm a camera nerd and by the way uh when someone uh talks about they know the relationship between panasonic and leica then you know they're a dork, a camera dork, because Panasonic did buy Leica just a couple years ago, and the Leica lenses have something so freaking special about them. I'm a dweeb, man. Yeah.

I do want a Leica, though. You're a dweeb with a hot wife and a cool family and a great story, so I'll give you a pass. And a good God. Yes, and a good God. We'll a pass and a good god yes and a good god um uh we'll be in touch thanks for coming on uh the movies are please go watch them now on youtube that you will not be disappointed you guys know i will never send you somewhere if i thought they were shit i would not tell you this dead on arrival and nox's story you will be very happy you watch them

they will change your life for the better. They're both in the description now. Oh, good. All right, brother. Uh, please stay in touch. I'll do the same.

All right. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. Awesome. Absolutely. All right. And the buzzing is gone. Damn.

I had such low expectations for him. I had so had such low expectations for him i had so so low expectations for him now look at you you liked it my goodness yeah he's cool as shit i loved it that he opened that camera case on his chest that's like oh my god and by the way the the knife does have a um this knife doesn't have a safety it has a case you have to keep it in this black case because if this thing fires off in your pocket you're toast

you're toast sever your whole leg off for that thing god he's cool god I don't think there are many people i think they're that cool he's cool i'm gonna have to go watch those movies brace yourself dude hey put that on in the chow hall dead on arrival people will be fucked up it's a diet film that'll stop you from eating um yeah i love how god uses seven to spread the gospel through show i know it's crazy

right what's he doing i that's why i think i think like i just get scraped up at the last minute i think like like everyone gets saved at the last minute like when i think it's over and i'm going to be stuck here on earth with with fucking all what do you guys call him satan and all those dudes he's going to pick me up by the neck and be like, good job, son. And I'm going to be like, what the fuck? Why did you wait so long? Just playing a little joke on you. Yeah, and that's why I do CrossFit.

By the way, one time I went to a gym – oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. The van needs gas. I have to take the kids skateboarding. I want to tell you this quick story real quick. of uh street parking and we went down there and there was a guy there who needed a one-on-one training at this crossfit box and miranda i think was his coach and it was neo i had no idea who he was but he pulled up in a rolled like all crazy rolls royce and um and he got out of the car and then him and miranda became good friends and miranda can rap for those you don't know miranda alchris can like really rap like like like she's a rapper and it was it was pretty cool to see uh watch her and um neo hit it off so um jeremy world seven we are all vessels seven being used for the greater good if we allow it well thank you that's what i'm trying to do all right i'm gonna go put uh i'm gonna go put gas in my van oh god i'm so humble to say that and uh

for me that's really humbling for me to say that to tell you guys that i'm actually going to get out and swipe my own credit card and touch the actual pump well somebody doesn't pump it for you i know it's a sad day and uh then i'm going to go to the skate park and uh i'll probably call matt suza and be like how come more shit oh i scheduled the show with brian friend by the way so you don't have to you don't have to do that one and that show is going to be nuts guys that all things crossfit show boy we got some crazy shit good shit to tell you god i have so many exciting things to tell you guys that i'm like just sitting on because i need multiple sources um so yeah i love my i love my sienna i've always i always wanted a van since I was a little kid.

I wanted like the 18 van and then, um, and then, uh, I always wanted a Sienna. And, uh, then finally, once I had three kids, my wife's like, go ahead. Yeah. I think it's the only new car I've ever bought, but it's free. Have you ever bought a new car, Caleb? No, I've always bought used. Yeah. Um, no, no. The Brian Brian show I don't think is today. Is that today? No, I don't think so.

I don't think there is a show tonight. Mm-mm. Okay. All right, guys, I will see you guys tomorrow morning, 7 a.m. I think we have two shows tomorrow, 7 and 9 a.m., do we? Correct. We have Lauren Connor. It's our CrossFit Affiliate Series show.

Oh, and then Brian at 9 a.m. tomorrow. Yeah, that show is going to be off the hook. I'm also trying to do a show maybe – I forget what Sousa said, but maybe there's going to be three shows tomorrow. There will be a show tomorrow night also. All right. Bye. Bye, Jessicaica see you guys later wad zombie thanks for the money and we'll see you guys later bye-bye bye-bye