The Sevan Podcast - #735 - THE DAVE CASTRO

Episode Date: January 5, 2023

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Bam, we're live. Why is it starting with Dave? I'm the one who says, bam, we're live. I didn't even know you were going live. I told him, let's go live. Start with me. Dave, not too loud? Am I too loud in your ear, Dave? No, you're good. How do I keep this close to my mouth and drink my coffee? That's a good question. First hurdle, Sousa, take notes of like... That's why you need one of those mics that you have for me.

Obstacles with the studio. Well, I don't do in-person interviews. You do now. And so I spent the last, I spent 10 hours setting all this up. Why do you insist going? Do we have anybody watching yet? Let's wait until people start watching. Oh, they're watching.

This is the Sevan podcast. This isn't that rinky-dink shit you guys do over there. is we go live bruce wayne just asked if i'm late you're not late we're just early uh in in all the years i'll tell you a story in all the years that i worked with dave and you can ask anyone who knows him uh when he says if he says you have to be somewhere at 10 a.m you have to get there at 9.45 a.m. Everyone knows that. On time is late. And at 3.15, I text him and I said, hey, what's up? And he goes, I told you I'd be there.

I'm going to actually read you the exact text. Hold on. Oh, I said, what's up, status? He said, I told you 4 p.m. I said, oh, I know. And then I called him and he's like, are you coming? He goes, yeah told you i have a haircut i'll be there at 4 30 he's really not the same dave that i used to know i'm telling you it's the only question i have did you purposely put these up for the behind me or were those there already those were there already those are uh talk to

me about them tell me about them that's an artist uh the instagram account is called alpha channeling has 1.5 million i don't care about the 1.5 followers it's an artist out of san francisco those are the most benign of of his artwork and uh greg bought those for me those are originals originals how much i don't. 12 grand a piece. No, come on. It's very, yeah. I could see Greg buying that for you. You got a haircut? I did.

I did. Jonna, 7 by 88. That is, those are the millimeters of your organ. Thank you. TDC, let's fucking go. So what's that stuff on the left that just popped up there uh so i saw that jonna it popped up on the left see right there so what's that lucky camera straps those are public everyone's seeing that yeah so that guy is in australia he gave you 30 bucks 31 dollars so 15 uh you didn't even bring me a coffee so and then the stuff on the right do people see that too

no uh yes those so those people are the two little camera angles tdc with jacket on for quick exit yep hey it's it's funny someone said that i was actually thinking because when we if we talk on the phone when he gets off the phone that's how it is i'll just he'll ask me a question i'll think oh this is important and i'll be mid-story i haven't even got to the you know climax of the story and he's like uh wife just called me for dinner bye and that's it it's over so how many people are watching right now like 10 20 152 okay that's good yeah that's good it's a good show and we don't normally do a 4 p.m. show. Katie, thank you. Thrilled TDC is here.

Thank you. Me too. I'm excited. I'm freaking out because we're in person. I like, so let's talk about that. Here's what I don't, okay, that's better. Like, why are we not, why am I looking at the screen and not looking at you? Because that's where the comments are.

Okay. I want to be looking at you. I want you looking me right we're working on it okay we're working progress work in progress and over there i was thinking about putting a tv screen that would be cool yeah or you know you could do two does that mean you're coming back let's just start screen behind me so i could be looking at you and look at the comments and a screen behind a screen behind you and a screen behind me wow or i could have another screen on the table here that's true true are you okay with that computer there yeah i don't i don't mind it but if i if i was looking at you and then just looking past you let me give you a little tutorial so the reason why we put a computer in front of you is if you wanted to if someone asked you a question

thank you for the money if um if someone uh if someone asked you a question and you wanted to pull up the question what are you doing you're not supposed to touch it okay yeah you can touch that shit yeah look at you what zombie look at you if you wanted to pull up a question dave you could click on any of those questions what is this this isn't real it is feels not real. What is it? Greg got mad at me for buying that. Let me see. It's a... I might spend this whole show just going through your shit. It's a replica. And he told me, hey, you're crazy to buy a replica.

It is definitely a replica. Because if a cop sees that... Yeah, I mean, you'd get shot if you pull this out. Yeah, I bought it for my kids. He's like, do not give that to your kids. No, this isn't a kid's toy. Yeah, well, what do I know? I don't know shit i don't know not much apparently uh clydesdale media scott switzer always good to hear from the dave castro so look at that look at what are these here practice this really quick

dave yeah i'm use the mouse pad and bring up that comment by daniel gertie it's right below the yellow one and click on it so if you see a comment up there, so I want you to see what I see. Come here and see what I see. Look at, see, this is right in the way of that comment. Oh, just click any, just click anywhere. Okay. Phillip, Phillip. Ah, okay. It's great meeting at Diablo CrossFit when you announced your turn. Thanks Phillip.

Oh, you missed Daniel Gertie's comment. It was, uh, seven's already lost. And then you can scroll back in the comments too. You can use two fingers to scroll and you can scroll backwards. Question. Did you beat Don at the Spartan race? I did, but I'm not going to claim it as a victory because he was running with his wife and they did it together and they didn't race. So, um, but his wife's a track athlete. Yeah, but they, they didn't run it that way. So she's a former track athlete. They just, they just did it. And so, but I went for it.

I like, I fucking pushed and so, but I don't claim the victory. He tried giving me the victory, but I'm not going to, it's zero, zero still. It is. Yeah. Yeah. I still need to beat him in a Spartan race. That was not, I did not beat him in a Spartan race. You guys are keeping score.

I don't know if he is, but I'm sure. I did not beat him in a Spartan race. You guys are keeping score? I don't know if he is, but I'm sure the fuck I am. How do you like having a fellow mill guy in the company? This is the first time in your 15 years working here where someone's senior than you as a military guy. Any issues with that? Alexis Raptus.

Yeah. CrossFit Games athlete. Is she coming on the show, Sousa? Soon? I don't know her. Emily. I know Emily Rolfe. Yep, there you go.

She'll be on Sunday. Is he selling these things? Yeah, he sells those. Another Alexis Raptus? Rory Marlow. God, I got to have you on more often. Is this the first of the Castro Couch? Pepper?

Casting Couch series. We'll see. I would not do an in-person show. This is your boy, right? Down Pepper. How do I know that name? Yeah, I like him. He's one of my boys.

No, but he's on your show a lot. He's been on a couple of times. Velner? He's been on a lot. That's my boy. That's your boy. Why do you have so many duplicates? You love Pat Velner.

You can have that Pat Velner one. Who's this one? That's the girl. Danielle Brandon. And then you got Jason Hopper. Jason Hopper. That's Matt's project. Matt Fraser's project. And Colper. That's Matt's project.

Matt Fraser's project. And Colton, he's your boy. Colton's my boy. So let me ask, who's the wild zombie? He makes these, right? Is this your sticker? That's for you. Thank you.

Hey, did you get one of these? Yeah. No, I don't know. I get so much shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did. From Chase. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

What's the deal with these? He sells these? What do you do with these? Yeah, what do you do, Wadzami? I think those are $10 each. He's on here, right? I thought I saw him. Yes.

Someone already said, Sevan, you've lost control of the show. I want to tell you that is 100%. So here's the deal, guys. Go support Wadzami and pick these up if you're if you're a fan of the sport pretty cool little cars do they come in this they come did you see them wrapped in yeah they come like that wrapped in that plastic like that and then with one of those little stands the one oh he sent me stickers that's what he sent me he sent me stickers

he has your home address no to the ranch oh stop looking around at my shit please um there he is what zombie you're making me uh uncomfortable sebon give him a shirt look at the con porter one oh there it is yeah that's good oh that's good con porter is uh look at this one this colton merton sticker that's amazing right that's sacrilege oh that is crazy yeah there we go that's funny and uh here's the comporter ones uh almost it's a little too it's too much for me it's too provocative like i want to i want to like oh i thought this was the other dude at first i thought this was uh his his partner uh newberry because of the hair like when i first looked at it i I thought it was James Newberry. James Newberry.

Yeah. But you're right. Is Khan's hair that long now? I think so. I think it's always been long. And look at Brian. Brian Friend even got a sticker. I dare you.

Hold on. I'm going to try. I dare you. It's a sticker, right? Yeah, I dare you. Oh, that's the problem. I think the stickers that he sent me might've been a version one. Cause I tried putting the Danielle Brandon sticker on my gun on your ceiling. No, on my gun. And, uh, it wouldn't peel off like this. So, um,

WOD zombie. I think the stickers you sent me weren't um weren't good stickers how much is that jacket uh 400 remember no not that much these guys are out of california i know they're it's expensive out of davis hunting hunting the only i love this comment let me highlight can i click on it yeah yeah yeah please please the only time dave has looked up to seven yeah so that someone was like holy shit the couch is just so you know dave is six feet tall and I'm five foot five. That is a, for those of you who aren't good at math, that's a seven inch difference.

Let's talk about what's going on. Just in the world. No, no, no. Well, we can do that in a minute, but like just the format.

Why, why this? So I used to work at CrossFit Inc. I had a podcast there for a hundred episodes. I can't remember how long, just short of a year. Then I, I departed from CrossFit. I was let go.

My position wasn't needed anymore. I think that was the exact words. And then I was four years or what? Jan four. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. Right.

And it's been a year since you were laid off. That's crazy. Jan four. The one year anniversary. Today is the one year anniversary. Welcome back. Cheers, buddy. That's crazy. Jan 4. The one year anniversary. Today is the one year anniversary. Welcome back. Cheers, buddy. Cheers. I'm coming back at my four year anniversary.

Was that a text to me from Haley or to you? What do you mean? Did you just see a text across your screen? I just did. Oh, that's fucked up. You didn't see my text. That is fucked up. That is fucked up is i think it was to me you look handsome let me check my that was to me wasn't it that is hey suza come here a second are you the executive fucking producer of the show put that on the checklist turn off your fucking uh

i message motherfucker got it got it thank you do not disturb mode do not disturb mode my goodness gracious so then keep going so then i was basically just i i was just folk i started the three plane brother stuff i made hundreds of videos with the boys and um you had reached out to me and you had said something by the way i gave you that road cup on purpose and uh you'd reach out to me and said hey said something, by the way, I gave you that road cup on purpose. And, uh, you'd reached out to me and said, Hey, did you need to start the podcast? And that was around the same time when, uh, Sousa was telling me I need to start a podcast. And I didn't know Susan. I knew you, I mean, I knew of Sousa. And so then you, then you basically, uh, pushed, you really pushed it on me. You just, you just came out to my house. No, no,

you just said, Hey, come out to the ranch, bring your camera. So I'm like, okay, like okay i did a podcast it was in person i did another one i think with jason cleave a couple weeks later and then there was that lull i didn't do any shows for a while yep and then um and then suza kept pushing and then um and then we just got up and running and uh the whole time you were like hey it's cool um but you should go live yes and. And I'm like, nah, I don't need to go live. And you're like, yeah, you need to go live. So you push me there. This is all a true story, by the way. And I started going live.

I hope so. And then recently in the last three or four months, you've chirped me on text or whatever. And you go, hey, are you doing it in person yet? And I'm like, no, I don't need to. I'm killing it. whatever and you go hey are you doing in person yet and i'm like no i don't need to i'm killing it and you're like you i think that then recently about a week ago you said something to me along the lines like hey i know you're not lazy but you're clearly scared and i think that that was a scared might not be accurate but i was definitely out of my uh i didn't want to i didn't want to

get out of my comfort zone for sure correct and so then you're like i'll come on the show i'm like awesome and i scheduled it and then you're like but in person only yep and i and i looked i'm like fuck he hasn't been on in seven months uh and i so then i was like fuck it i'm gonna try it and here we are so i did that i decided to come on the show i hope you're not gonna start telling me I need to be shirtless or anything really fucked up. To play your hand to make you do this in person. Yeah. I think this is the next evolution of your show and what you should be striving for.

This setup is okay. Yeah. We could do some work on it. Just the design needs to be fixed, right? Yeah. I'm not worried about that. I think this. We need to work on this. What do you mean? Especially me being lower able to. Yeah. I'm not worried about that. I think this we need to work on this.

What do you mean? Especially me being lower than you. OK, tell me some things that we could fix that wouldn't be too expensive. Well, anyway, so the thing is, you're not going to do all your shows like this, obviously. But I think striving to do one or one a week or two a week in person, having a guest would be a huge step forward. You look at like all these other big podcasts and, and actually both points, the going live and the in-person, you know where I, you know why I was pushing for that. No, tell me. I mean, you, you, you said to me, Hey, look at Mark Bell, look at Sean Ryan. You pointed out, look at Joe Rogan. But Mark Bell in particular. So I was on his podcast a number of years ago

and that was in person. And so I really, you know, I've done a handful, I've done a few in person and a handful on zoom, which I fucking hate doing, but, uh, one with me on zoom, the last one. Yeah. Not a fan, not a fan of doing them on zoom with anyone, but anyways, did the one with Mark and I really enjoyed that. And, um um with mark and what's his partner's name big dude yeah anyways it was someone will say in the comments and on that show when we were done they made a comment like something they said about oh well what what's the what are the what is what are the comments what are the comments saying and i said what do you mean comments like did like did you guys just publish it? And they're like, no, the show was live. And I was blown away

by that. And I was actually kind of shocked because they didn't tell, I didn't know you could do podcasts like that at the time. And I didn't, and they didn't tell me that the show was going to be live. Luckily, I didn't say anything that I would have regretted, but that was my, that was the influence for why I told you, you should go live. Because again, that was one of the things that takes you out of your comfort zone. Everyone who does not go live, there's this power of editing that you can be a slave to. So you can go, you can be negligent. You can be irresponsible when you're live. There's there's an accountability that's present that you have to recognize throughout.

Yeah, that's that's and that's exactly what I was worried about. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I know. You got to be in the zone and free, but you also got to be guarded. Yes. There's a serious level of accountability to go on live. What about what about the podcast at hq that you guys have the one that chase does do you think that will ever go live like do you think that in the corporate environment like obviously joe rogan only has to answer himself i only have to answer myself mark bell only has to answer himself chase works for a company you know uh representing basically 15 000 affiliates right absolutely it

should go live and again it's going to build for whoever's hosting it or whoever's on this, again, this discipline. What if he accidentally hits his wife on the show? Well, then he doesn't have the discipline to be hosting the show and shouldn't be hosting the show. And that should be the end of him on the show.

But there's a level of dialogue, professionalism, discipline in that dialogue and approach that comes with being live. That's why I'm here. This is to support you, but also I'm feeling a little rusty. So I need a little practice.

So you're using me a little bit. I'm totally using you. I would have never- Not for your audience because your fucking audience is tiny. I love you guys. I don't mean anything to you guys. That's a jab at him.

What about, like, I wouldn't normally wear shoes in a show. I think this is the first show I can recall wearing shoes. Yeah, thank you for wearing shoes. I wouldn't be happy if you weren't wearing shoes. Look at those things. Here, hand me one. Victos. Victos.

Victos. A lot of these. I've had them for like a year and i've never worn them but i was like they're pretty cool looking they're slippers what do they call them tactical oh the trench foot hooch flat that's cool yeah i'm pretty stoked on what are you what are you wearing what are you wearing all right what do i have on i have some go rucks oh yeah you got those free i don't think i've paid for a crossfit shoe that's a crossfit shoe ever that's a crossfit ever um that's not true i've purchased a crossfit shoe for gifts for friends but i've never um for myself

do you have nano still in the box yeah i'm I was actually trying to get, uh, Rory just sent me, I saw the new fronings and asked him to send me a couple of the new fronings. Um, I should, because they weren't out. So I did ask him and he sent me a couple of pair. I actually don't know if he did send me the fronings. I think he sent me just Reeboks. Um, but they're cool. I like them. I can't see you doing that. Asking for free stuff. Uh, I couldn't because, because the fronings you couldn't find online. So I said, hey, can you send me a set of the fronings? When's the last time you talked to Rich?

About a week ago. About a week and a half, two weeks ago. He needs to get back to me. I actually asked him for a favor. What's that? To come with me to a certain event. A shooting event? Not a shooting event.

An army event. Oh, I wanted to ask you about the army. what's going on with crossfit in the army i i know a few months ago you guys announced that if you're in the army and you and is that you or me that's me i know i know you i know you guys announced a few months ago that if you're in the army you can um you can get your the army will pay for your level one yes that that's part a program called army ignited and basically it was a way for soldiers who are interested in level one to have it um to have the army pay for it so anyone in the army can take the level one they can apply for it take the level one and and the U S army will pay for it. But they have to work through this army ignited program to,

and I think there's been some obstacles with it, you know, typical big programs like that. Well, we had a bunch of listeners say that it was no problem and they did it in our small little audience and our small, it's a great, it's a great initiative.

I really hope and wish we can scale that across all branches of the military, have something similar for the Navy, Air Force. Why Army? You're a Navy guy. Why would the Navy pick it up? I didn't set that up. What's that? You didn't set it up what? That was an initiative that I think I wasn't even around when they started working on it.

And the training team made that happen. I don't know the history behind it, but super cool. It's a good program. Wish we had the same thing for all branches. Corey. Hi. Hey everybody. Hey Dave. Good to see you. Hey Corey. We have Collins on this. Yeah, bro. I didn't think that was in the contract.

Corey, you have some balls calling in. Just doing what i do yeah so i have a i have a suggestion for um you know the podcast seven podcast 2.0 if you're talking about doing live call-ins and bringing people in um why can't you rent out a space i mean because i've i have a business at my house but one concern has always been bringing strangers to my home. So I like the idea of face-to-face podcast interviews, but could you potentially run out of space? Is this Dave saying he wants to partner with you and go in on running out of space so you can bring in live guests? Dave?

This is not Dave saying he wants to partner with sevan and go in on his face uh before we before we would do that we'd go to the ranch right yeah so if we needed a space we could use the ranch before um partnering but this isn't also a we thing this is sevan's thing i kind of just giving him a little kick to to do this format we'll push down the hill uh this this room is just adjacent to my house basically that, that wall behind me right there shares with the kids' jujitsu room, playroom. So I like being here if it's only one day a week. That being said, California Hormones has offered me to build me out a studio to do live shows if I move to Newport. It's the endless support that we've gotten from California Hormones. Michael C., the new camera angles

look like soft porn studios. Hey, this is all stuff I just had around. That's just an old web camera. Susan told you guys last week it's like a radio shack in here. It is like a radio shack in here. You nailed the lighting. Thank you. Yeah, you nailed the lighting. That's about it.

Tell me about Newport and your podcast. Are you going to leave us? No. I don't know. You nailed the lighting. That's about it. But tell me about Newport and your podcast. You're going to leave us? No. I don't know. You should. Fucking fly, little birdie, fly. How far do you live from me? I always tell people you live 11 miles south of me. I would say 25 to 30 minutes south of you. I wouldn't say in miles. Okay. Thank you, Corey, for hanging up on yourself. I appreciate it.

It's been seven or eight months since you've been on the show. Has it been that long? Yeah. June, June, June of 2022. I really don't like doing these. The podcast.

Yeah. In general, not yours, just in general. So when you committed to it, then afterwards on the way here, you were like, oh fuck,

I'd rather just go home and just hang out with my kids and my family. No, no, no, not for this one because I committed to it and this this is a win you doing um this in person that was the goal and it this really accelerated that happening if i wouldn't have said hey i'll do it with you this week and only if we do it in person you wouldn't have done this for another two months two months two years um can you pull up this uh um first clip here uh mr susan the um not not the youtube video but the uh the instagram clip oh that well that's the one that's the clip that's the clip from uh from that was our last uh podcast yeah you can go ahead and pull that up. That's Dave. I don't know where he was at there.

Look at this guy, Luis Lemos. Damn, he gave me $50. That's crazy. A hundred bucks. Thank you, Luis. Thank you. Okay, maybe we will rent a space. Holy cow.

Austin Hartman, I've got plenty of room at my house for five metocians. You're a good dude. So here's the last time Dave was on. That's where he's doing. Is that the exact place you sit for the Dave Castro weekly review? Yeah. Now I bounce from that position to one that's about four or five feet over. How's that going?

You enjoying doing that? Yeah. It's again, it's kind of like this. That one's more about the discipline of doing it and more about forcing myself to get out there. That's also why I'm doing this. Just kind of like, again, I told you I wanted to practice. I don't do this that often. So I wanted to just. Take me out, take my take me out of my comfort zone and practice. Well, you seem pretty comfortable. You've taken over the show. Oh, you want me to show Dave the intro? I'll show Dave the intro to my commercial in a second. We will get there. Thank you for the reminder. If I forget to show him, Kenneth, let me know. And then I wanted to show you this. Go back to like the old days. I saw that they played Nasty Girls on dot com the other day.

That's cool. Do you remember where you do you remember the first time you saw this? Were you doing CrossFit yet when you saw this? When I saw that, I was not doing CrossFit. You got to remember when I started, I. I was introduced to CrossFit by Mark Twight on a climbing trip to Yosemite. And on that trip, I had read Mark Twight's books, Extreme Alpinism. And I think what was the other one? I forgot. But Extreme Alpinism. and I think what was the other one? I forgot, but extreme alpinism. And at the time, it was like the training guide for that type of climbing, for lightweight alpinism,

which I was a big climber and I related that to the type of stuff we were doing in Afghanistan, having to be light and move quickly. And so as a climber and as a sailor soldier, I really took to his training methods and methodology and everything he wrote about. Sousa, pull up Extreme Alpinism, Google it and show it. Everything he talked about in that book was LSD training, long, slow distance. He would go for two hour hikes, two hour runs, four hour bike rides.

And so I was like, OK, this is the way I have to train for this stuff. He is an icon in the climbing world. And again, I was big into climbing. So I set up a climbing trip to Yosemite with our team. And when you say your team, what do you mean? Yeah, that's the book right there. The team I was working with, the team I was on, the group of climbers that represented our group. And were you in the military at this time?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I set up a trip to Yosemite. And Mark, he brought out this world-class fucking list of a who's who of alpinists at the time. Vince Anderson, Steve House. Actually, Vince and Steve were on the trip to Mount Hood. Oh, Rolando Garibote. Who else? Just this who's who of climbers.

And so I was, as a massive climbing fan, just blown away. Anyway, so we were climbing in Yosemite. We'd go out. I was paired up with Rolando and we would do some ascents. We'd come back to this cabin in the evening. And I remember this. And I said to Mark, I said, Hey, so talk to me about your training and extreme alpinism and the LSD stuff and how you approach it. And I'll never forget this because it's changed my life. He says, I don't do that anymore. I go, what do you do? And he goes, I do CrossFit. And I go, what the fuck's CrossFit? And he goes, CrossFit's this program of high intensity movements that Greg Glassman out of Santa Cruz created. And it has barbell and pull ups. And he started talking all that stuff.

And I was like, wow. Were you tripping that it was Santa Cruz and you were so close to it? Well, at the time I stationed in Virginia, but we were in Yosemite. That didn't register at all. But Mark is not a big dude. So Mark is a little guy i don't know he's probably five six five seven 145 150 i could be wrong and i was like i'm a small guy relative to all the people i ran with at the time like i was a small seal um six foot tall 170 probably at the

time 175 since i was really into climbing and endurance stuff and so i couldn't picture myself being any smaller i saw mark twight as this representation of crossfit at that time because he was the one who introduced it to me so i was very skeptical of it and i'm like all right well that's cool but um uh that's probably yeah there's a picture of mark oh click on that one yeah right there yeah so I don't know how big the dude is on the right. He looks fucking big. What's that dude's name? That's Aquaman. Yeah, it's Aquaman.

But anyway, so then I went back after that trip and started researching and studying CrossFit. And for like the next four, five, six months, I never tried CrossFit, but I watched all the videos, read the journal, just immersed myself in educating, educating myself on the world of CrossFit. And so when I saw that video, it was for sure prior to me having done CrossFit. Do you remember the impact it had on you? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was blown away because at the time the muscle ups I couldn't do the what else did the air squats were so fast. The cleans didn't think much of that, but you know, it's interesting.

I'll say I didn't think much of that. I didn't, I wasn't, I knew no Olympic lifts. Right. And so, and in the military, nobody was doing this shit. No, at that time, at least with all the people I was ever around, you were either doing bodybuilding or bodybuilding stuff and, or endurance stuff. Like triathlete stuff. Yeah. But very few guys were doing Olympic lifting or powerlifting. There was a handful, but this style of training definitely wasn't popular.

So, um, yeah, it's cool. Well, it's cool to see it back on the front end. And this video, obviously I think this was a hugely impactful video, maybe one of the most impactful ever. Someone just said, Dave, what's your view on Dave Goggins? So a few days ago, someone on my weekend review on my YouTube channel said, what did they say? Well, let me even back up. Yeah, I got it in here, too. A week ago, Goggins was on Rogan and Goggins said that there was a SEAL who was attacking him and claiming he never he hadn't done anything, hadn't deployed, hadn't been to combat and all this other stuff. He doesn't really say who it was. I don't know who it was. Someone told me about that because I don't watch Rogan and I don't watch the Goggins stuff, but someone told

me that was going on. And then a few days later, someone on my page commented and said, Hey, I'm pretty sure this is the dude talking about me that Goggins is talking about, who was talking shit about him, who had to sue, who he sued. So Goggins ended up apparently suing this guy for defamation at the time, at the time, but I think he dropped the, he dropped the suit. And so I, on my weekend review, I said, and I'll say it here, cause your audience is probably very different than my weekend review audience. That is not fucking me. I didn't, I didn't go after Goggins. Week in Review audience. That is not fucking me. I didn't go after Goggins. Actually, there's a project that I did. I worked with Goggins while I was in Coronado for a few years. We did a project. He was doing his running stuff for the Navy. I was teaching tactics and

instructing new students. And I was also working for CrossFit at the time. And they brought us together for a project. And we did a fitness project actually for the SEAL teams. I looked for that video. I saw, Susie, somewhere in the notes, there's a link to the YouTube video where you're doing the fitness program, like you're doing GHDs and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one, those.

But I didn't see Goggins in there. Someone said it was Josh Brages. Josh wouldn't do that. But you know what that person just did? What? And that person, so this dude, Kacen D, d did this josh and the person who did it to me there's very few public seals right so like of all the seals that are kind of in the public sphere of things it's easy to pin something like that on one of us right um yeah i saw someone somewhere. Is that okay that someone said that? Did he, did he?

Look at that shit. What? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Here we go. Who's that guy you're with? Dana DeCosta. Yeah, he was IOIC. He was your what?

Officer in charge. Look at that shit. Look at, I was fucking the training machine back then too. You sure were. Hey, and, uh, this is after your intro, you've already been introduced to CrossFit at this point. So I'm working, I'm working for the Navy and I was working for Greg at the same time. Do you remember what year this was?

So that was eight or nine. Trish says you were 12. Kaysen said I was totally kidding. I know you were, but I was just trying to send a point home with that. that. I know that, well, I don't know if Goggins has written any books on his military experience, but that's not something you're a big fan of. I am generally speaking, not a fan of talking about a lot of things we did in our past. But you have softened a little bit about it. I will talk about what I was, what I did, but I don't talk about details. Maybe to friends and family, sometimes, not often, but definitely not public. I think there's

one of the faults of this platform of podcasts, of this type of dialogue in general, is people kind of take this non-filter view of things that they shouldn't have any filter. And I totally recognize that there's absolutely a filter when here, and there's some stuff you might ask me later that I'm going to filter or that I'm going to not respond to. And that's the type of restraint and discipline that I'm practicing by being on this and that I think others should practice. And for me, part of that restraint and discipline, um, really, really goes to what I did in the military. That's, uh, there's, those are special moments in time with special people that I would be betraying

a lot of them. What does that, what does that mean? Betray that, betray them? What does that mean? A lot of my teammates wouldn't fucking would turn their back on me, former teammates or, not um really support if i was telling or talking about a lot of things i did or or we did any any um any of your teammates go on podcast and tell stories that included you no no interesting and in not that of. But again, you got to remember, I also don't watch podcasts. Right. Well, you'd know.

Yeah, I would know. Someone sent you a link. I was thinking about that the other day. Since I've known you, I think I've only heard two or three stories from you about things that happened while you were- I mean, you got to really understand- And none of them were public. It was just like us driving- That phase or that period of my life,

I was in the Navy for 12 years, and I would still be in the Navy. I'd be retiring right now or maybe in the next few years if it wasn't for CrossFit, if I was still alive, if I stayed in. You did 12 years. I did 12 years and I got out in 09. So I'd be like 23 or something like that right now. I was going to do that for the rest of my life. And if it wasn't for CrossFit

and this opportunity that Greg gave me, I would have done that for the rest of my life. I loved that job. I love that community that was formative of who I am now, of what I've become even with CrossFit. And so that period is very special to me. Those men and people I serve with are very special to me and I don't want to compromise that. And so like there's a reunion that one of my groups we have every year and I'm still invited to it. And like there even guys say, hey, thank you for not being so vocal or not going the route that so many other guys do. And that means a lot to me. And that means the world to me. Two questions. When you were let go from CrossFit, did you ever – did it pop in your head, shit, I should have stayed in the military? One year ago today.

Yeah, one year ago today. One year ago today when I was let go from CrossFit. I actually texted one of my former team members who is now a team leader and said, hey, I'm jobless. You need a shooter? No shit. Yeah. Were you serious? I was jokingly serious.

Yes. Right. Like just being like, fuck. I don't think. They couldn't let me do that now. No. And when you say a shooter, what does that mean? A sniper?

No, just a guy on the team. Just a guy. sniper no i just just a guy on the team just a guy uh and um when you when you talk about this reunion are there guys who aren't invited back because they have uh kind of uh overstepped the bounds of the code for sure no shit for sure like in your mind thank you for your service tdc but also grateful for greg finding you to grow crossfit i'll even take that a step forward i say and i I claim Greg saved my life because at that point I would have stayed in and I would have done another eight years. In eight years in the line of work we were doing, I could have died two or three times over. So

it's more than being grateful to Greg. I think Greg, he really saved my life and changed my life and put it on a, on a safer career path. But again, if it wasn't for Greg and CrossFit, I would have, I would have still been doing it. I would have been in the Navy for sure. And even if you would have lived, you could have been in worse mental health than you're already in. Correct. Um, did, did, um, did he ever talk to you like that? Did he ever say, hey, Dave, you should get out? You're in a dangerous line of work? Did he ever? He didn't say it like that, but he had so much compassion and understanding for guys like us or guys in the military. And he really did feel that. And I could feel that of him. Like even when he was talking to me about it, he really wanted me, he really wanted to give me an opportunity for, to, to let me have the chance to get out and, and do something that I could also change the world with. I mean,

the impact we had and, and that's the thing too. So I was working for Greg full-time from six, seven to, I was also active duty six, seven, and I was active duty till nine. So I got out in 2009. And so for, from six, seven to 2009, you think, take a snapshot of where CrossFit was at the time. By that point, we'd already had three games. Affiliates were growing, everything was growing and it was clear we were making a difference in the world and would continue to make a difference in the world. So getting out for me ended up being a no brainer. I've always wanted to know this.

So in 2000, just for whatever it's worth. So from 2007 to 2008, we weren't friends. We both worked for the company. And if we were like in the same room, we didn't talk to each other. I just put you through the through the test or through a uh screening process there weren't a lot of people who worked there then just so you know so we would be in a lot of the same places we would be at dinner tables and he just he i was basically a ghost to him then in 2008 overnight uh we became friends and then from

2008 to 2009 um our communication was pretty high around doing media and for the games. A lot of communication. And you deployed in 2008? Nine. It was in nine you deployed? The 2009 games, it's funny because Chase just asked this. A good amount of those games were programmed while I was overseas. Okay, and how long was your deployment?

Do you remember what month you were deployed in 2009? No, but it was a quick one. Three months? No, it was less than that. It was about a month and a half. Okay. Two months. And I would work at night a lot, and I would see your green light come up on GChat, and we would talk.

I'd be like, hey, what do you think about this video? Should I do this? Who should I talk to? And then you would say stuff to me like hey stop talking to me or you would say stuff like uh going to do a job what can you i always wonder where and i what do you know what country were you in uh it was can you tell me that get the hold on dave get the fucking camera out of here. Do you remember that moment? Yeah.

Which one? I think the one you were talking about. There's for sure one in Carson. The Carson moment. Can we pull that up? I don't know if you can pull that up. You're not going to be able to pull that up. Yeah.

It was an intense. It is an intense relationship. No one get it fucking twisted twisted you you i think a remember the road trip i i'm still gonna i want to talk to you i want to go back talk to you about 2009 but go ahead yeah the road trip with uh rob orlando yeah yeah and hobart was hobart there oh there's a bunch and grunler hobart lipson rob orlando. Grundler. Grundler? Yeah, because remember Grundler was a – we stopped and saw him in slow. Right. He was the one – he did the best fighting in the fight group.

Besides me. You and him. You and him. You and him when you had to fight at the pit. Yeah, you guys did the best. What about that? Who did the worst? I don't want to say.

Lipson? No. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah i love that guy uh what's um let's go next question uh so going back to um so 2009 what country were you in i'm not gonna answer that okay and so what was tell me what the scene was like what did it look like when you were on your computer were you in a room with other guys was it a what was the building made of was it a tent was it a let's move on from this Jesus crime hey if you pull up this um if you have you ever seen the comments from the uh last show we did together uh people are just hating on me why they're saying hey leave him alone he doesn't want to talk about it leave

him alone he doesn't want to talk about it so that's why when i say i don't want to talk about it you move on they're they're just mashing that's funny it's like come on guys clearly doesn't want to talk about it learn how to do an interview how about go fuck yourself um you're at uh uh let me give you a hard question here you're at crossfit inc Inc. Um, you were there for in, in the early years, would you say that, um, we had a very low turnover rate? Yeah, for sure. And there was almost this unhealthy, you can't get fired attitude, correct? Yes, for sure. And now, and then, and then when, um, when Greg still owned the company, excuse me, when Greg still owned the company, he brought in a CEO, right? Yeah. What's your, what's your Instagram?

At Sevan Rinsta. Don't even try. Okay. Go on. And then Greg in 2018, Greg brought in a new CEO. And when you and I were talking, you'd be like, Hey, brace yourself. You know, don't be surprised if that guy just starts cleaning house. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and he did sevan rinsta rinsta s-c-v-a-n-r-i-n-s-t-a gotcha gotcha can you tag me yeah yeah

okay um and and we so basically we saw just basically a mass uh slaughter right not right away but but but between 2018 and 2021 great for, we saw more people fired in the probably in a six month period than we saw previously in the previous 12 years. Yeah. Now you're you're in the company and then and then the company is sold to some entity, Berkshire, and it gets a whole new group of leadership and you're in there and there's these, you know, you can look online, the average executive last four years, you know, in a, in a, in a corporate company, right? Like that's it. Is it, and I bring this up because I know you really liked it. And I think, I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I know that you thought, you thought very highly of Gary Gaines. You thought he was eminently capable, and now he's gone.

And then they had you go, and that fucking rocked the boat there. And then they had the chief marketing officer go, and they've had other affiliate directors go. Is that rocking you? is that hard for you like you like here you are you saw you saw can you tell us why gary gaines got can you tell us what happened there i don't want to talk about that okay are people getting fired is that rocking me yeah like here you are i i i never heard you say one one negative thing about the guy you were always very complimentary um i really liked him um he was a good friend and cape eminently capable too right he drank the kool-aid right yeah for sure he was a crossfitter through and through yeah um which is important right if you work there you should drink the

kool-aid are people getting fired affecting me let me tell you something. You have to. And this also applies, frankly, to the games and a lot of stages in the past. I came from an environment that was super cutthroat and selective and had very high standards. And oftentimes in my training, there were big cutoffs. A lot of people didn't advance to the next phase. A lot of people didn't advance to the next stage. And so having high standards and having an environment where people don't advance or don't make it to the next level is totally normal for me and something I actually really embrace and really appreciate an environment that operates at a high level and, and people who can't keep up or don't want to be there. Don't for whatever reason, make it. So why I'm saying that in the games, when we used to have cuts and everyone would freak out about cuts for me, that was just like, again, a no-brainer. And even now, when people get fired or stuff like that happens, for me, it's all part of the process and it makes a lot of sense. And oftentimes, it makes a lot of sense.

Even when I got fired, it's like, in whoever's eyes, that was the right decision to move on. in whoever's eyes, like this was, that was the right decision to move on. Right. I don't, obviously didn't think it was the right decision, but I think that's all a healthy part of, and, and that was what was very unhealthy for a long period when we had this environment. That was very unhealthy, like the welfare state, basically. Yeah. Where Greg wouldn't, where we wouldn't fire anyone. And so living through that was very unhealthy, I would say. And then actually, once Jeff or Greg, whoever decided Bruce to start firing people as hard as it was on the team and on those people, it made sense. It was necessary. No, it didn't.

You weren't fired at that point. It didn't make sense. But I would say it's part of a welfare state. They should have fired me back then too. Didn't make sense for the objectives and goals of CrossFit in the long term at the time. Right. In their eyes as leaders. And for the reasons they were doing, it made sense.

Okay. Okay. Okay. What is your position there? Do you have a title there? So growth, working closely with... Dave Capistro, Director of Growth? No, I'm not even going to call it that. Okay. No, I'm not even going to call it that. I'm working across the company with a lot of the other teams on initiatives they have to support growth of CrossFit, growing new members, getting more people interested in the methodologies.

Oh, I have some ideas for you. We can maybe talk about after the podcast. And so kind of working as a coordinator, advisor, kind of working across the different teams and um staying engaged are and are you staying engaged yeah and do you work with all the teams not all of them but a lot of them okay oh and what's your relationship so when you were there you were uh when i was there you were the director of the games and you were the co-director of training with the great nicole carroll yes correct and um you want another coffee? We can run a commercial or something. Maybe we can make a new coffee.

It's kind of ending quickly. What is? The show? The time. We've been on this for a long time. Are you fucking kidding me? Okay, okay. No, no, no. I'll give you some more time. Are you involved with the training at all? Yeah.

You are? Yeah. Let me push a little further oh if there was a training um like the the biannual or annual a trainer summit do you still attend that yeah i would go to that you would yeah okay are you gonna go to the crossfit games this year like get ready people you might get up with this one and leave this one's uh how do they approach you about coming back to crossfit dj that's a great question that's another one i'm not going to go too into details but within uh i would say

three to four weeks after this date last year um it was pretty clear that I was going to come back. How often? How much longer? Three to four months? Three to four weeks. Oh, after getting laid off. Yeah. You started getting, you thought, hey, was that weird coming back?

And if there was some weirdness in the reentry, is it all gone? Do you feel totally assimilated again? It was a little awkward coming back. Like you're the kid who got pulled out of school because your dad beat you and then you had a broken leg and a black eye and then they brought you back it's good it's all good it is all good yeah and and um you know i don't know if you can be honest with this but are you enjoying don yeah i like him a lot and and do you like uh that it's a male guy yeah that's really cool really cool. There's definitely an understanding of each other because of our shared background. Obviously, he was in the Marines.

I was in the Navy. But there's still a connection there. And he's been on – we've worked on the same bases. And that helps a lot. There is a new – what it looks like – I can talk shit to him. And you can. a lot uh there is a new what it looks like talk shit to him and like yeah and and on that level of just like hey you know that type of banter just going back and forth about working out and shit like that that that i feel comfortable with did you do that a lot with greg

no uh do you well would you talk to greg much, I talked to him a few weeks ago, a couple weeks ago. What did we talk about? And then before then, how long had it been? Well, I saw him here. Do you talk to him once a month? Probably more than once a month. I probably talk to him more now than when I fucking worked for him. Good word.

Yeah, I can see that. I understand. What it looks like is happening on the front end is there is a new campaign being launched called uh the magic of crossfit uh what what can you tell us about that is that going to be the theme for 2023 i don't think it's going to be the theme for the entire year but i think what we should see from that is from that team and from crossfit in general and from this leadership is a recommitment to creating content like that. When have we seen anything like that in the past couple of years from CrossFit?

Well, have we? No, well, I don't, I mean, I don't know. I haven't looked at- You know, you fucking look at everything. I haven't looked at everything, but I will say this- You look closely. Sousa, fucking sack him around. Tell him, don't act coy.

He knows. You watch every piece of content we put out. I am thoroughly, 99.9 i am thoroughly um impressed with the tone and who it's speaking to it doesn't it it's um it's speaking to the affiliates and people who already do crossfit and i felt like that that was something that we always did just always continue to invigorate the base, invigorate the base, invigorate the base. Yep. And do you see that also in that way?

Yeah, for sure. Like keep the bees happy and prideful in the sense that it's stoking the brand. Like basically those videos are throwing logs on the fire of CrossFit Inc. Like, hey, there's a little bit of like, fuck you, we're the fittest. Yeah, absolutely. crossfitting like hey there's a little bit of like fuck you were the fittest yeah absolutely putting a stake in the ground for who we are and what we represent and owning that and just taking it by the horns and and running with it which which brings me to this next thing i have these strong feelings about crossfit being an american brand in this and that there's nothing wrong with

that so gucci's an italian brand the national football league is um uh an american brand uh there's italian olive oil uh blentziaga is a spanish brand uh there's there's these different brands is it can can crossfit be completely international be the biggest uh movement on the planet and still be an american brand so remember when greg we were like a california brand yeah yeah i didn't like that so much i didn't like it um i didn't mind it but remember that phase like hardcore california right but now i think maybe he's on something yeah yeah he wanted guys working out in surf trunks and coming to the games and flip-flops

yeah yeah i think to your question we are always going to be a what the fuck is that did they hear that too yeah yeah they can hear that too they hate your audio they hate that but they but they've gotten used to good uh stand by mike okay go ahead let's hear what mike said we don't want to keep him hanging i want to hear what mike mike go ahead you got it you got to check the audio for the stream everyone lost the last like two minutes hey i checked that out it's actually something happened with youtube if you guys just refresh your page everything will come back come back into play you can see it in the comments to everybody just that reloaded their page it's good and he hung up thanks man thank you hey dude are you reading the comments or what two minutes

no audio you didn't say nothing i didn't read the car i wasn't reading comments i don't see it look i don't see it no one's saying that oh someone said reload restart worked okay so uh so um uh american brand will always be a what so we're the brand started here the brand has very deep american roots the brand has 50 of its affiliate base in the States. So naturally, there is a heavy association with CrossFit and the US because of that. Because we started here, over half our affiliates are here. A large number of our participants are here. But that doesn't have to prevent it or hold it back from being an incredibly, which it already has been and continues to be, international movement and international brand. Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Krav Maga, Israel, Brazilian jiu-jitsu, Brazil.

I mean, right? I mean, right? These are, yeah. But like, so I was recently in Brazil and with all the CrossFit gyms there, I mean, they're very Brazilian and they're very CrossFit and they have their own flavor. There's no, there's very- They have a capoeira class at New. No, no capoeira, but that would have been cool. When I used to travel overseas more often and I'd go to boxes and gyms, that the methodology is out there

and the methodology is absorbed into those local communities, despite the fact that CrossFit originated from the US. I think oftentimes people get too caught up on that CrossFit originated from the U.S., I think oftentimes people get too caught up on that. Like, it doesn't matter. What I mean is, even if we didn't start here in the U.S. and we started somewhere else, the movement, because of the effectiveness of the methodology, would have still spread

like it has spread. And it will continue to spread because the methodology is so effective. Let me ask you something more poignant. Do you think that there should be an effort made to. There should definitely be localized content. There should definitely be localized content, content localized by translation, localized by actual creation of content in local markets, localization of content, lectures, videos. All of that should happen regardless. What about hero wads for other countries?

I think we have to ignore the reality that it was created in the U.S. or write that out of the history. Just like some people you would say might want to write greg out of the history neither of those should happen right those are fucking the foundation like it or not of crossfit crossfit's from america crossfit started here just shouldn't it shouldn't slow down any movement of it overseas or spread of it globally and it won't because you can't hold this back okay uh you're avoiding answering the question. Dave, are you planning on visiting us in Australia? No, no, no. How am I avoiding it?

What's the question if I'm avoiding it? Should they be avoiding it being an American brand? Should who? HQ, the company you work for. I don't think they are. Okay. Do you think we are? No, I don't think you are, but I get concerned when I see the chatter.

It pops on my radar. Yeah, I don't see any. What about HeroWOD? Do you think HeroWOD should be for all countries or just for Americans? That's a great question. Thank you. We do have HeroWODs for other countries. We do. Yeah. Yeah. And do you like that? Yeah, i think that's fine uh lucky camera straps australia 14.99 this guy already gave 31 uh dave are you planning on visiting us in australia in 2023 was so great to meet don danielle and the rest of the crew at this year's affiliate gathering i don't know i haven't planned all my travel this year um i don't know if i'm gonna be going to australia he's gonna be going to the uh semi-finals there i might go to france oh daniel's really pounding on me to go out to

france if i do a france trip i also got to uk um i did a whole show on daniel chaffee's character how was it it was good i gave him a gave him an a i gave him and uh stefan roche an a um the the there was a a post uh and this is kind of what started this going back to the brand thing where there was i think a hero wad i think i have a link to it maybe suza and the second comment was hey can we drop the uh the mill stuff this is a fitness company and uh i just totally disagree with that i think the base is uh first responders and military and i think that a ton of brand value comes from that that you know it is the supplemental training for the martial arts it is the supplemental training for people people whose lives depend on their fitness.

Sorry, I was reading the bio on Danielle. Yeah. I have the grippers over there so you could fidget. And here we go. Let me read this comment to you. And what's interesting is the guy got slapped around in the comments afterwards for saying this. Can you go to comment number two, Sousa? Maybe just scroll down a little bit.

This aspect of CrossFit is weird as fuck for non-Americans. Let's please separate sports and war. It's politicized enough. We just want to lift, bro. So that's an interesting comment. I was muted a second. I'm muted you are muted yeah no no no no it's just that laptop so we don't get the echo oh thank you oh okay yeah so it said that the whole time i just noticed yeah okay am i offering a job back at crossfit dave when are you offering seven? He doesn't have that kind of pool.

I totally disagree with that statement that that person made on that HeroWOD. For one, you know, when CrossFit in its early days, when I found it, when a lot of people found it, there was a big military influence

and a lot of first responders in LEO. And at the time, the US, our nation, was in a couple of wars, Iraq and Afghanistan. And we were losing a lot of troops in those theaters. And so Greg, who was a really big fan, still is, of the military and first responders and their service, decided to memorialize those CrossFitters, people who were doing CrossFit and who were

killed in combat or in the service and died. And so he created Hero Wads. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's a way for him to celebrate and make a tribute for these individuals who gave the ultimate sacrifice. And it's part of who CrossFit was at that time and still is. And you think about these hero wads and think about what they've done for those individuals in terms of making them known and their stories out there. You could name three hero wads. Say one. Murph. You would never have known who Murph was if it wasn't for that workout. Absolutely not. And now every community in the world is, even though it started at CrossFit,

it's trying to take ownership of it. Chad, same thing for Chad. Everyone like- I thought you just posted that on your account. That's an official hero wad? Yeah, I did do that, but actually it's official enough now. Let's call it that. I don't know if it's an official costume or not. It is basically now. Right. Okay. But there's a number of, and you know, it's crazy, especially during that time. There are like six or seven hero wads that I programmed with Greg that were friends of mine, teammates. Wow. Yeah. And so to me, the hero wads mean a lot. And that aspect of it is a very important part of our history that it's celebrating CrossFitters who paid the ultimate price. I just think of it even from a more shallow perspective.

It's really good for the brand. shallow perspective like it's really good for the brand whether you're pro-military or not when you think of the fact that this that there's a movement that's embraced by these by soldiers or by firefighters or by police officers or by martial artists it's just i think it's just absolutely amazing for the band brand because those of us who don't do it then can at least be like yeah we work out as hard as seals even though we hate all those guys that's kind of a different point yeah i mean that was my point. You took it the other way. Okay. And do you agree with that? That it's good for the brand, the brand value,

hardship. I don't, I don't think of it in terms of like, I'm thinking about your time with the hero wads again, not even the hero. What do you see? See, so confused. Okay. So basically what I'm saying is, is that this guy's saying we should separate, um, we should separate it from sport and fitness but this is more than just fitness what this is more than it this is a movement this is a community this is something more powerful than just fitness just fitness is going to um gold's gym and standing in the corner of the room doing bicep curls and working out alone or getting on the treadmill and putting your headset on and doing your own thing. That's not CrossFit. CrossFit is shared suffering in high intensity

workouts with your friends and family, and it builds a community and bond. You think, what do you think about the state of the community? Is it in a good place? What do you mean by that? Let's dive into that a little. Is it starting to pour? I don't know, but that would be crazy if my street flooded and you got stuck here for the night i'd like that uh dave who do you consider the goat rich or matt oh come on you know the answer rich for sure mike the sauce rich rich throwing for sure um meaning um uh people are still proud to wear their CrossFit shirts. Let me tell you why rich there's this era of athlete that it was pretty much maybe after him

became very rare. And that was this trainer, this affiliate owner, this athlete who was all in on all things CrossFit. And Rich was the essence of that. Rich was he was even on the level and training team. He wore a red shirt. He ran an affiliate. He also was a trainer. And so I think in later years, that style of athlete became more and more rare. style of athlete became more and more rare and being the goat is for me at least in this sport is is bigger than the sport it the sport matters too but also all the things you did to move it forward and the community move forward the community and the contributions i think rich far um he passes matt in terms of that regard, in terms of being engaged with the community by leaps and bounds. The guy, Israel Adesanya, the guy who was the champ over at the UFC, he said that, and I'm paraphrasing, that the reason why Michael Jordan is the greatest and it's not LeBron is because of his connection with the audience.

That what he did connect, not only made him a great basketball player but he connected with the audience and that's what you're kind of saying i think about rich he connected with the whole fucking community on every level l taught l ones was a trainer start uh owned an affiliate won the games now doing teams doing the charity events hosting competitions it's like it just never ends yep they're doing hair plant and commercials does he does it a fucking all uh diversified yeah he's he's he's uh diversified you know he's coming on the show friday is he really yeah i'm gonna send you a link so you can surprise him no ask him if he's gonna come out to uh georgia with me i'll ask him um you want to see uh i want you to see my um

i'm starting my own you know i've made a couple commercials, an affiliate commercial and a level one commercial. Have you seen those? Yeah, let me see them. I'm not going to show them the commercials right now, but we've – I saw the magic of CrossFit, so we've actually – Can people just call in on their own? Yeah, yeah. See the number going around on the bottom? That's sad how few people actually are calling in.

Oh, shut it, shut it, shut it. They're just afraid. They're just afraid. Yeah, they're just intimidated by oh shut it shut it shut it this is a record this is a record uh uh caller hi hey savon it's pc it's patrick oh hey what's up mr clark hey how you doing hey be nice to dave i know you're a real journalist you be nice to dave don't be don't get crazy don't get crazy i've always i've always been nice to dave dave is one of my favorite i mean i mean i'm in the service too, you know, so I got to keep it easy on him. Patrick Clark from Bar Bend, people. Patrick Clark from Bar Bend over here on the Sub-On podcast.

Honored to have you. What do you do? I didn't know you were in the service. A national, Army National Guard, 28 years now, so. Very cool. Thank you for your service. Oh, no, thank you. Hey, actually, I've always wanted to ask you, do you,

do you remember a guy named Marcus Capone? Very well. Okay. Me and Marcus are pretty good friends. We went, we played football together in college. So he was a quarterback, right? Yes, he was. He was a quarterback at Southern Illinois. He's a good guy. He's doing good things now. He's doing great things now. He's he's actually out there. He's, he's, a difference um yes he is his his program what's it called because you should look him up people should look him up um oh definitely google marcus capone matt suza he's like the all-american he's six foot five quarterback in college so you should ask him to come on your podcast. Yes, he would.

I can hook it up. So long. He's, he's a good guy. Thank you. Yeah. And his, and his wife,

his wife is amazing too. He dated, he ended up dating and marrying the coach's daughter. What was he in the military? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Marcus. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And was he, was he working with program for guys with PTSD and stuff like that. What's it called?

What's this where you go to do the? You serve marijuana on their legs? He advocates for medicinal marijuana and other drugs to be used for veterans assistance and care and recovery. And, you know, it's, it's a real cool thing. I mean, he's a big proponent of that. They've, they've done stuff on Capitol, you know, at the Capitol, stuff like that. Wounded warrior. I'll find out. No, no, he's not involved.

And I'll, I'll send it to you. Yeah. But anyways, sorry to go off tangent there. Hey, Dave, just questions for you, obviously on media, but what role would you like to see media play? And not just CrossFit media, but all media that's involved in CrossFit in the development,

the future of CrossFit. I think our CrossFit media and other media outlets that aren't directly tied to CrossFit have to take this, not have to, but I would like to see them take this place of really amplifying the changes and the positive effects the methodology has on all individuals. So anyone, obviously we know this, but the world doesn't know this. Anyone can and should do CrossFit. And where people have gone

wrong in this, I think even you take the morning talk up, I don't think they've done a good job of really spreading the message of the power of the methodology to the world. I think a lot of the content creators or type of news outlets in our space, they do a lot of storytelling specifically around the games and athletes, but there's a bigger, there's a bigger message and a bigger story that needs to be told to the world. While one, that CrossFit really is for everyone. Two, how safe CrossFit is. If, if all, if, if Sevans and Morning Chalk Ups and Barbends and everyone out there started really preaching

how safe and inclusive CrossFit was inclusive in terms of meaning anyone can come do it. I think we'd all be serving the community and the affiliates in a much more powerful way. We collectively need to really speak about the effectiveness of the methodology and how anyone and everyone, frankly, should be doing it. So that's what I think we should be doing. I don't really have high expectations for others to do it, like Morning Chaga, Bar Band, or whoever, but I think it would be great if they would. Interestingly, who is trying to do that on their own and with very little coaching for me? This little guy over here.

So look at some of the stuff he's starting to do on his own. Stuff that's really supportive of the affiliates. Stuff that's really supportive of our level one. Not even starting, especially with the level one. He's always raved and really been an ambassador for that. Now he's just taking it to the next level. So those in the media space in our community, or even those with large voices, amplifying stuff like the magic of CrossFit, the positive implications of doing this program for anyone,

doing this program for anyone, that's powerful and would be very useful to not CrossFit the company, but CrossFit the community, which we all care about and want to see grow. There's family members, every one of us, there's family members that we all wish would be doing CrossFit and messaging and storytelling and really getting the word out there helps support that. Yeah, sounds fair enough. Doesn't sound like a very, you know, it sounds like it's doable from a media aspect. It's just getting all the media members to do that. Someone said Craig Ritchie and the Buttery Bros aren't going to do that. Oh, why do you got to shit on Mars and Giver like that? It's terrible. The thing is,

is that when they worked at CrossFit, they were doing that same stuff and it was good that they were doing that. You need, you need a couple of guys. You need, I mean, I think I'm not, I'm not arguing with you,

Patrick, because you probably agree with me too. Like we need those guys, but, but, but, but we need 10 times more of the other stuff we need it so when someone like you know i get this this is the typical dm i get hey

savon can you point i have a my brother is uh obese and he was just diagnosed with type 2 diabetes do you have a video i can send to him and and we need just a massive endless library of that stuff so when someone's ready to um be fished out of the pond we can we can get them onto one of the lifeboats yeah and i think i think people have a misrepresentation of what the buttery bros do because uh they see all the flash they see all the stuff that they do but they actually do do a lot of things like that um i recall like the the hawaiian trail run they went out there and all they did the whole time. And, you know, if you watch that video, they did an Hawaiian trail run. All they talk about is the, you know, the power of movement, you know,

what CrossFit does, not just for people, but for the kids out in Hawaii with that, with that foundation, stuff like that. So, you know, I think they get misrepresented when it comes to that stuff. You know, everyone sees the, you know, them with the CrossFit athletes and, you know, the bright lights and all that other stuff. But think well how about this i really love that statement there but um have i'd love to challenge them those two and whatever it doesn't matter what i say they

don't have to do it but why don't they do a piece on a transformation story of someone who's nobody knows who's lost 100 pounds or someone's first step into a CrossFit gym. As opposed to Thor, racing Thor. Yeah, exactly. Oh, did you see that Usyk video that just popped today? Doing CrossFit, training with CrossFit? No, the fighter? Yeah.

Ukrainian guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No shit. Oh, wow. I didn't see that. Yeah. Is he getting ready for Tyson Fury? Yeah, that's going to be interesting. Patrick, you are 137 for 137 for fantastic contributions to the show.

Thank you. Yeah. Anyway, before I go, again, thanks, Dave. Thanks, Siobhan, for taking my call. It's an organization called Veteran Solutions. So, Susan, if you could pull that up. Veteran Solutions. Dude, everyone's bossing you around, Susan.

First Dave, now Patrick. They took cues from me. Check this out. Contact Marcus. Get him on the show. I will. Marcus and Amber. I will. Yeah, that'd be great. Thanks a lot. Okay, bye. Matt, let's see the Veteran Solution.

Bye. Speaking of level ones, this sponsor right here, California Hormones and Sarah Cox, has. Speaking of level ones, uh, this sponsor right here, California hormones and Sarah Cox has paid for three level ones, uh, probably in the last six months or a year to give away for free to the listeners. And, uh, thank you so much, Sarah, for doing that. And, uh, California hormones, uh, Dave, if you, you want to get your blood work done and that's Sarah, that's her right there. Yeah. Okay. Hi, Sarah. Thanksah thanks for contributing um thanks for giving me 25 let me know if you want to get your blood work done um code word seven uh free doctor's consultation i'll get my blood work done but do i want anything

put back into me no i'm good oh let's let's let's see let's see let's see uh mike the sauce dave is it possible the spectator could get access to backstage during the CrossFit Games in between events like what they did at the Zelos Games? What's the Zelos Games? It was an event. It's an event that took place inside of an affiliate. It was a cool event, but it's just a totally different. It's like a local competition. And people got.

Are you saying camera people or or actual spectators there's no way spectators could go back there the athletes need a place to get away we we had one year um we had one year where we gave little tours backstage to groups of like if you did madison club there was an option for you like if you paid an extra thousand bucks for your ticket yeah basically hey you didn't ask about pricing but yeah basically there was there's been things like that before where people groups of people are led behind the scenes okay yeah uh mike the sauce no no no it's not mike the sauce uh caller hi hey this is uh nick we met um i think i did in the chat before so i'm one of the officers in charge for the army crossfit team oh awesome dave Dave and some other guys made a video for us.

Want to say thank you for that. Uh, and along that line, I just had a question for, for Dave or really to spit out there. Is there any interest moving forward, um, to kind of facilitate that collegiate level CrossFit competition?

Uh, I know that there's some ad hoc and there's some probably power in the fact of organizations doing it themselves, but it's CrossFit thought along that, or is that more, you know, maybe a future problem? There's been discussion and there's been discussion in years past, even now, I couldn't tell you that we're doing it now or anytime soon, but it's definitely a good idea and definitely worth exploring. Are you, so are you with the, um, the fitness team or who are you with? No, not the, not the warrior fitness team. Uh, the, the one out of West Point. Uh, so you, Don, and I think Chandler,

you made up a video for competing against Navy right before Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that video. Did that video ever get shown? Did you guys use it? Yeah, it did. We showed, uh, so we showed the teams like that night when they showed up, they didn't really know about it. So the officers and stuff who we've kind of seen them, I think maybe actually ran it through. So they were all pretty pumped up.

It's just cool for you guys to do that. That's very cool. Now, hit me up offline and we can continue this chat more. Okay, awesome. Is that your way of blowing them off? No, not at all. It's a way of diving into the subject deeper. With him.

You're interested. You didn't say that to Patrick Clark. You said it to him. Well, Patrick didn't have anything like that. Kind of. The media stuff. And I answered then. Thank you for calling this little podcast with his little buddy.

That's really cool of you. I didn't know I had such a wide breadth of listeners. I wanted to get your numbers up, Siobhan, so people can stop doing shit for calls. Thank you. Let me ask you a question. Are you just listening to the show because Dave's on today, or are you a regular listener? Pretty regular listener. Usually the recorded ones, though, because I'm East Coast, so it's hard sometimes. You tell me when you want me to do the shows.

I'll switch the time for you. Okay. Bye. Bye. Is there a way to do the money to feel so proud that guy people can um assign it to a person like hey i want this one to go to dave not seven i think they should have that feature on here for the messages no we should investigate all these people giving you money they should have the option to give me the money oh you could throw your venmo up beforehand this is good this

is like some sort of record i didn't realize were you a chippendale dancer the way people are throwing money like they just know uh okay keep going i had a power out here the other night and hillar ran the show for me and same thing he just killed it he just all sorts of loot came in for me oh this is what i wanted to show you so you guys are working on the magic of crossfit and i'm working on some videos also for uh wadapalooza and i made a bumper have you seen the i'll show you the magic of crossfit kind of bumper first the one you guys made and then i want don't show me the one we made yeah because i want to i want to let you see that you're trying to show everyone else go ahead you can show but like i've seen it okay can we uh suza can we start uh you're trying to show yours

and then show ours to kind of show. What are you trying to do? I just want to show you the inspiration. But I've seen ours. I know, but let's let the people at home see the one. So say it like that. I want to show the people at home. I know you've seen it before, Dave, the one that CrossFit has made. I want to show the people at home in case they haven't.

Thank you. Look at Heidi. Money for Sevan, not Dave. Thanks, Heidi. Thanks. Look at Heidi. Money for Sevan, not Dave. Thanks, Heidi. Thanks. I go to Amazon.com, type in Heidi Krum, C-R-U-M-E, and purchase two of Heidi's newest books.

Which one do you want to – Just the one – I think I put a link to it. It's like maybe 10 posts ago. It's just like a 17-second. It just says CrossFit, and there's some music playing behind it and i want to show dave or sorry i want to show the people maybe just maybe i want to refresh dave's memory of what it was and then show them the one that we made that will be the bumper for our uh content it's it's on the dot com uh instagram account uh here we go okay here we go the magic of crossfit

coming soon it's beautiful sounds like an orchestra tuning up in the back floodlights mysterious like the curtains down. Now, I'm guessing that's going to be the bumper before some of the content that's going to be coming out. And then I want to show you the bumper that we made for the content that we will also be amplifying your message by also supporting. We'll be more focused on the L1. Can you go ahead and play ours, Sousa? And I want to dave's live reaction here to this teamwork you like that it's complimentary right you like that oh that's amazing how much did you spend to get have that twelve thousand dollars

oh man check this one out stuntman mike this message is for the dave unrelated to crossfit dave recommended a book called gone with the wind a while ago reading it now and i'm floored by this novel thanks for the recommendation mention a book called gone with the wind it's only one of the fucking most epic novels of all time i'm glad you really enjoy it it's definitely pull up gone with the wind masters you told me it was your favorite book of all it's my favorite book of all time yeah for a fucking sure it was such a great um such a great read flowed so nicely and the character development and the exploration of who they were and um oh man it's just a really good i'm surprised you read netanyahu's book and i'm surprised you read the other book i don't know

the title of it but there were the letters yanni's book yeah yanni's book yeah because that's so unlike you to read yeah military yeah recently i've got the app that's it gone with the wind if you haven't read it check it out it's like 900 pages it's a big book um the movie so after i read the book i then watched the old school movie the movie was also um really good so bb oh hold on before you talk about bb uh before you talk about that uh michael wright 999 This is for Dave. Eat a dick. But he has to spend it on Sevan. I love you.

Buy him something nice. Where was I going to go with this? BB. Oh, I saw him on – what's that fucking dude's name on HBO? Bill Maher. I saw him on Maher. Bill Maher. Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel.

Yeah, and it was about a month ago, a month and a half ago. And the interview was short but really powerful. And just like listening to that guy, I'm like, man, there's something about this guy. He's a strong leader and he has very – he's resolute in his convictions. very, he's resolute in his convictions. And he knows, you know, he, you could tell Bill Maher tried baiting him and it didn't happen. So after that, and he was on there to promote his autobiography, BB, my story. And so then I listened to it. I didn't buy the book. I bought the audio book and really liked it. And in that, he talked about his brother, Jonathan Yanni, who they were both in the Israeli special forces. And Bibi was actually shot on a hostage rescue attempt on an airplane. So that's a pretty cool background story

on his part. His brother stayed with that unit and ended up getting shot in the chest on a another hostage rescue mission and killed um so and through the book bb talks a lot about how yanni was such an inspiration to him and such a stand-up character and his his story meant so much to bb and the direction he went in life and they wrote a book about yanni taking all of his letters throughout his life that he wrote to his friends and family and put them in a book so i ordered the book was actually hard to find well not hard to find i found it on amazon but it wasn't it's not widely available what's it called it's called yanni um letters of a suza pull it up does anyone else ever boss around like no i fucking resent the shit out of it suza pull up yanni um my letters or something along that with my phone um and so

i read that and it was really good notice i'm saying read or listen to i'm very very like there's a line in the sand there's books i read and there's books i listen to i listen to books i listen to a lot of books i don't keep track of those but the books i read and there's books I listen to. I listen to books. I listen to a lot of books. I don't keep track of those. But the books I read, I keep track of. And like, you know, very chronological or data finished. I finished 32 books this year. Wow. And I'm disappointed.

So this year, one of my goals is I want more than 32. That was a low year. That's almost a book a week. You're going to have to help me with the spelling to pull that one up. Yanni? Yanni. Net and Yahoo's brother. Yeah. Yanni, Net and Yahoo. Hold on.

Let me see if I have it. Travis from Vindicate Apparel. Hi. Hey, how's it going, guys? Good. Dave, good to see you. I have a question when you get back to the office can you stick your head

in the legal department and ask them to leave me alone if you have a place I'd really appreciate it who is this uh this is my name is Travis

uh go ahead this is Travis uh uh he runs Vindicate it's the apparel maker for all of the letters of Jonathan Netanyahu. That's the book.

He's the apparel maker for a lot of the CEO gear. No, I'm not going to say that. I don't know how fucking how much you're pushing the limits. Well, what happened was, is this. He used the hashtag CrossFit and he's not allowed to use it because he's selling apparel. And that's one of the places where crossfit has the trademark and then andrew hiller made a video today being like dude here's a fucking thousand other people who are doing the same thing why did you come and travis saying why are you coming after me come after everyone leave me alone but but you did break the rule right travis but it's just like fuck like go for a big fish why why

this just this guy selling. Right. Apparently I broke the rule. I didn't know there was a rule on. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to, I'm not going to go fight for you on this one. Take care of it with that team on your own. They do really good work and I'm proud of the, the, I'm sure they do. I'm proud of the fights they embark on. So maybe you just need Maybe you're just in the crosshairs and you need to get slapped around a little Hey someone reported you for sure dude

I know But I like you Yeah but Dave likes you Alright Dave cool Thank you Trying to smooch one of my buddies Okay so you read the book You read the book on uh netanyahu's brother which is very when i heard that in your weekly review i was like shocked i was like dave

doesn't read mill books no i i've it's interesting because this or watch mill movies no i don't watch real mill movies this past year i did get a little more interested in history of special operations units and i'm not talking like before vietnam kind, I, I picked up this book. I saw it at a used bookstore on David Sterling and David Sterling was the founder of the British SAS. And, um, uh, it was very outside of my comfort zone, but I was like, okay, I'm going to read this. And I read that book and I really fucking enjoyed it. And then I decided to pick up a book on, God, I'm drawing a blank on his name right now. Founder of Delta Force. And his name will come up in a second.

Someone will say it in the comments. And that book was so closely, the creator, what's his name? Beckworth, Charlie Beckworth. Charlie Beckworth had been involved with the SAS, had did a year-long deployment with the SAS. And he, their selection and their unit was influenced by Charlie Beckworth or by the SAS. And so I enjoyed that connection. And then I was like, all right, I'm going to read the book that made me become a SEAL, one of the books, Rogue Warrior. So I reread that as an adult, Dick Marcinko. I actually also went out recently to his funeral back East. And Dick

Marcinko was influenced by Desert One, this disaster rescue operation that Delta Force was involved in. And he was at the Pentagon at the time and basically said, oh shit, we need a unit like that. And so then they started up SEAL Team 6. And so that history and how all these units kind of are tied together in certain moments is fascinating to me. And so that's the place I'm comfortable right now, diving into that stuff.

Origin stories, not so much like, hey, a story about a team that got shot down in a helicopter and how they survived. Yeah. You don't do so much of that. You said that well. Yes. And how was the book?

Would you recommend it? The book by Sterling? The SAS guy? Yeah, yeah. That was cool. Especially like, and so where I was going with the Yanni book. Oh, yes. I don't even know if you knew I was going to go here because I don't know if I said it.

But what I was thinking about when I read it, what was so fascinating to me is like how far all of that shit has come. And what I mean by that is, you know, I read, what did I tell you? He was, where was he shot? Doing a hostage rescue?

Yeah. But where was he shot? In the chest. Okay. And, and that's like, I was baffled by that. And it shows how far we've come in terms of just gear and equipment.

Cause like nowadays, unless it's a really high caliber round chances of you getting in a shot in the chest and dying are uh pretty low because we're all everyone's wearing body armor and and especially if you're doing a hostage rescue everyone's wearing body armor and so that mission was i think in 76 um any unit any type of SWAT team special operations team that's just helmet and body armor standard equipment now but back then apparently you know it wasn't and so that that aspect of it too was was interesting to me and tragic that you know that type of technology

or that type of equipment came much later and led to needless deaths like that did your body armor or your helmet ever save your life not like getting shot in the chest or head yeah will dave do a better version of bear bear gillis to show that the u.s navy is better even if we know the swedes are the toughest i've never watched bear uh bear gillis show but i think he was an SAS guy. You have immense respect for you. You also mentioned on your show, not the funnest topic, but you mentioned on your weekly review that a guy you served with who was last month promoted to the commander of SEAL Team 1 killed himself. I didn't say that part.

Oh, okay. I told you that part, but I didn't say that part oh okay i told you that part but i didn't say that part was i not supposed to say that part i wasn't i didn't say it on the show because i didn't know how public that part was yet um and then i checked in with a couple friends and it's it's out there now so i had a good friend teammate named bobby ramirez who I was at team four with early on, like in 98, probably to oh two or oh three. And he, he ended up, he was an enlisted guy and we both went to team four. Cause at the time team four was organized by region of the world and team four was the South American team. And so guys like Dave Castro and Bobby Ramirez were brown. We're going to team four. And so,

um, so we got to know each other. Was it really like that? Like, yeah, for sure. For sure. Like if brown people largely at that time in that period went to team four,

cause team four was deploying to America, uh, South America. If you spoke Spanish, for sure. If you looked apart, I looked apart, didn't speak Spanish.

Um, still went. So we became really good. Not you looked apart. You are the part, I looked the part, didn't speak Spanish, still went. So we became really good friends. Not you look the part, you are the part. I am the part, yeah. And we became friends, hit it off both because of that shared feature of ethnicity, essentially. And we ended up going different ways in our career. He ended up going to, I think, Seaman to Admiral program where he became an officer.

So he went from en he became an officer. So he went from enlisted to an officer. About four or five months ago, maybe longer, he hit me up on LinkedIn, which is crazy because I never go to LinkedIn. But for some reason, I went there. I didn't even know I had a LinkedIn thing. And we chatted and he told me he was an officer now. We stayed in contact there, not as much as I would have liked. And then a few months after that, I got an invite from his team to go to his change of command. So he was going to be in charge of SEAL Team 1, which is a huge deal. There's, what, seven, eight SEAL teams, a lot of officers, a lot of people. To be the commanding officer of a SEAL team means you're in charge, the senior officer there.

And he got that role. And I was invited to the change of command. I was planning on going, but I wasn't able to go because I had a, I had scheduled a shooting competition that I was running, that I was organizing that same weekend. So I prioritized that, didn't go to the change of command. And then a month later, a month after he was at the pinnacle of his career, you could call it, I saw on Fox News he popped up that he was dead. They found him dead in his home in San Diego. And so the first stories were a few days, weeks after that. This was right before Christmas, too.

And he had four kids. There was not much talk about what it was. And so that's why I didn't mention it on my weekend review. Cause I just didn't know where it was, but I asked around and saw it's, it's common knowledge now that he killed himself. And so such a fucking, like it's, um, it's a huge loss. And it, to me, it's just so, you know, no one, you always question why. And I think it was kids. And it's like, fuck, like, what are they going through? Why? Like, why? You say you question why.

Do you, can you make up reasons in your head why? Like, can you think of stuff? Like. Every, every person who's been to combat has had very different and unique experiences and, and deals with them all very differently. Every one of us has a different way of had different experiences there had different moments that affected them and have again different ways of addressing them um the suicide thing in general in the military is fucking tragic and even in our community specifically in our community. I know a good number of people who've killed themselves.

And it's just, I find myself saying, why? What the fuck? And again, I don't know what they went through. I have an understanding. I have an understanding of what it's like going to that place, but obviously something that they went through is very different than what a lot of us went through. And it just makes you ask that. It makes me at least ask that question, like, fuck, why? Like what happened?

What, what's it take to get to that point? And I can't imagine what is, again, like I start looking at it from the perspective of the children and thinking, fuck, why is our dad gone? Of course, yeah. And that part's really hard to think of it. So Sunday, I'm flying down to San Diego, and then I'll be at the memorial on Monday. Is it horrible, the memorial? is it like i've i think for me there's um i don't know how this one's going to be but a lot of the other ones i've been to there's protection in numbers okay do you know what i mean yeah yeah amongst like a lot of other guys and a lot of other there's like a blanket there yeah that is very protective of maybe me being too emotional or just me

breaking down i think it's a so you're it's a support group yes and so um i don't know how this one on monday is going to be um but it's in the hive there'll be shit loads of people there i think so yeah um you you wonder i don't remember what the number was, but I think I saw last year was like a record year for suicides in the U.S. military. It was like 589. If it's 589, I wonder like what the ratio is, if that means that people have flirted with it. So for every one guy that does it, does that mean a thousand have flirted with the idea?

So does that mean that 50,000? The multiples. Yeah, dozens. It's fucking probably that. Is it like 50,000? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a great question. I don't know if there's any stats on it, but it's way higher that i is it like 50 000 yeah yeah i mean that's a great question

i don't know if there's any stats on it but um it's way higher than we'd imagine well thank you for talking about it uh on a lighter note how about this seal that um uh served uh turned himself into a woman and is now coming back to becoming a man do you know that guy i don't know him i saw that story but i don't know the guy do you know anything about him not really there's like one never passed him like in the latrine or i never met him i don't even i couldn't tell you his name um a lot of his name's kristen a lot of these stories or sometimes when you hear about seals like there'll be people i investigate or ask about like hey tell me i'll hit up guys and say hey what's his dude still that person i didn't even make any attempt you didn't call the seal buddies be like who's that no i didn't wasn't interested didn't care i mean you've really been here a long time

um as far as far as the show goes this particular show um would you you don't have to answer now but maybe would you come back what do we think about maybe doing something uh with uh wadapalooza with me like we're gonna watch that we're gonna be on for four days it would be really helpful for the show you just maybe watch one event i'll tell you when to watch it and then we go on live as soon as their feed goes down and you talk about what you saw in regards to the programming or the athleticism. So that would be really outside of my comfort zone and take me to a place I don't want to go. And for that reason, maybe it's worth doing.

Marsha, good, good break. Marsha, good. Our first female caller. Hi. No, it's not Marsha. It's Garrett. Oh, Garrett., Marsha. Good. Our first female caller. Hi. No, it's not Marsha. It's Garrett. Oh, Garrett. Hi, Garrett. Hi. Hey, how are you? Who's Garrett?

Garrett Gooden. She was on the show before. She's on the show a couple weeks ago. No, I actually just wanted to call and say a really big thank you to Dave. I was a 35 Mike back in the day. Thank you to Dave. I was a 35 Mike back in the day. And, uh, really, I got a really big spinal injury and my hand didn't work so much and cross fit kind of like saved me, but able to do things again,

being able to deadlift, being able to pick up my kid, being able to, um, do so many things that I wasn't able to do before and I really just want to take this opportunity to say thank you to Dave, thank you to Siobhan for just promoting it and making it, because it is so big it's so important

Thank you, thanks for your service What's 35 Mike? I don't know I don't know how many terms It was back in the day but it's human it was uh I was an interrogator

yeah oh shit I didn't know that did we talk about that when you were on the show uh no because I don't normally talk about it

but I just want to say thank you for Dave and how much hero wads are so important like on so many levels. You know, and all this, sorry, go ahead.

I was going to talk, but if you have anything else to say, I'd love to hear it. No, I just appreciate it so much. Like every time you were announcing workouts and it just just meant so much like to do, to get into a hero lot and do it. And it's so, there's so much of an emotional attachment to it that it's necessary. And I just thank you for doing that for us. Thank you. I appreciate the feedback.

And where I was going to go with that is, you know, reading the book, you asked the question, like, why I'm starting reading those books. I think, too, as time has passed since I've been in those units, done those things, I'm becoming more interested in contributing and giving back and understanding some of the history. more interested in contributing and giving back and understanding some of the history. And even this topic here about the suicide rate and suicides in general in the military, like I'm getting this place like, well, how can I start helping or what can I do?

And you know what Sarah Wilkinson is doing with her Step Up Foundation and stuff like that. I'm not going to start my own foundation, but there's, I think I have- You're still young. Don't close any doors. You're still young. I think I want to help initiatives like that and start supporting things. And I just need to figure out where and how and how I best can fit in. I do see myself take, I need to take more of a role and kind of being an ambassador

for people getting out and, you know, helping with people maybe in those situations. It's funny because i remember years ago someone contacted me this was like right after i was out basically telling me he was fucked up and i was at especially at that point kind of like um we we didn't deal well with that with each other go work out yeah basically and i kind of just fucking blew him off and like he nothing ended up he. He didn't do anything. But like, I really fucking regret that. Like, I really should have been there for him.

And I feel like there's been a number of times throughout the years, guys like that who've been teammates, like, I haven't been there. And I want to work on that for people I know, but also for just how I can give back to the community in general, the military, vets, whatever. but also for just how I can give back to the community in general, the military vets, whatever. So I don't know what the answer is, but I'm definitely thinking about that, especially after this one. I hope you do. Cause you're such a, um, a big, uh, role model for all of us. And I think that the majority of us have survivor's guilt.

And I think that's a big thing when it comes to uh military suicides and it hurts and but I'm just glad that you're doing what you're doing and and it means so much to all of us and if we haven't said it enough like let let me say it again like thank you for everything you do with our health, with our mental health, with just being able to talk about it. Seeing you talk about it means so much to us to be able to talk about it. And I hope you do. We love you so much and we're big fans. Thank you.

I appreciate that. Thank you, Garrett, for calling. Great call. Have a good night. You just passed Patrick Clark as the best contributor of the show. Bye, guys. Much love. Thank you. When she was on the show,

it was high for two days. It was probably one of the best shows I ever did. You were high? High. For this show, no. I'll have trouble sleeping tonight because I'm so excited you were on but like for her i couldn't sleep for two days um what do you think about this um how i i i i liked the ufc i liked when you were the face of the crossfit games and i liked um and i like dana white being the head of the ufc if dana white is not doing the weigh-ins i fucking don't watch the weigh-ins

well he's definitely fucking smacking his wife around do you think and he's that clip up susan Dana White being the head of UFC. If Dana White is not doing the weigh-ins, I fucking don't watch the weigh-ins. Well, he's definitely fucking smacking his wife around. Do you think? Pull that clip up, Susan. No, no, no. Pull that clip up. And he's going to survive that. Jethro, I probably deadlift way more than you fucking do. What did he say?

Oh, shit, we're getting hot. He's out of coffee. He learned how to deadlift properly. Matt, pull up the Dana White clip. What do you think? Does CrossFit need a figurehead, a spokesperson? Matt, pull up the Dana White clip. What do you think? Does CrossFit need a figurehead, a spokesperson? I strongly think they do.

And it's going to be hard to find if you don't take the helm, if you don't do it. Someone sharing the vision, someone invigorating the base, someone who shit doesn't stick to. You're old enough to this this guy might be in spanish suza literally is ignoring me now oh why because i told him pull up the fucking video from there we go they know oh it takes oh no he was listening to me i have lost control of the show hold on check it out watch this guys if you haven't seen this dana white on New Year's Eve. We looked at it yesterday.

Oh, I can't believe. Oh. He pushed her. No, that wasn't a push. He pushed her. That was not a push. That's how you pushed my camera away that year. Oh, man.

That's not good. It's fine. That's not good. As Daniel Brandon said on the show, equal rights, equal fights. Did she say that? Yeah. Equal rights, equal left. Yeah, someone say that yeah equal rights equal left yeah someone said that too someone said what equal rights equal left caller hi hello hello hi it's magnus here oh magnus from mexico about the interesting subject right now okay yes the Yes. The Swedish in Mexico. Okay.

I speak Spanish. But you're talking about interesting subject about suicide. It's not only military. It's a lot of this masculine thing. If you serve on or the spider in the nest,

connect things to liver king who's talking about the same thing. Right. Make a big thing about it. You're saying I should make a big thing about it you're you're saying i should make a big thing about it i should drive it you know what i didn't understand no you're you're connecting the door oh right i mean i think the liver king was in a bad place i mean basically he said that that's why he's has these body issues that he does i

mean he basically just came out is that an out? Is that an out for fucking to cover his show? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's legitimate. My question's legitimate. No, no, no, no, no. You don't buy that at all. Hey, listen. I think all those guys that are that big

are screaming for help. I think all those guys. Can that be an out to cover for what happened? No. No? That can't even be a possibility? It could be. It could be.

Yeah, of course it can. That's all I want you to say. But it's not. I want you to say it can be. It could be. It could be. Yeah, of course it can. That's all I want you to say. But it's not. I want you to say it can be. It could be. It might be a possibility that that's a good way to get sentiment on your side by playing, hey, I— I'm thinking of some very bad examples I could give you back. Some very bad.

Now you got me fucking— Yeah, I don't even want to say them so caller go on with that sorry from Mexico you deserve more of our you guys shouldn't see Dave and I fight like that go ahead that wasn't a fight no no

that's the enjoyment of the show I don't have anything else great show Dave is in a bad place right now too that sofa yeah he's in a bad place right now, too. That sofa. Yeah, he's on the sofa. Yep, he's the first man to grace that sofa.

All right. He's in a bad place. Oh, no, he's in a good place. What are you talking about? Look at him. He's comfortable. He's got his jacket on. Did you get cold

or are you leaving? Both. Yeah. Thank you for the call. I'm sorry I kind of took in a different direction with the Liver King, but I do understand what you're saying, especially in relation to someone what he's doing. Maybe he should be taking this.

I don't have any suicide close to me. I don't even feel it. I don't I don't have I don't I don't. Did he did the liver king say that any of that was crossing his mind? I don't recall. OK, but he was clearly in a in a did you end up watching the interview with him and piers morgan no good yeah it was good did you like did you did you i watched that it was not seven minute interview on youtube did you like him did you like how liver king represented himself yeah i like how piers called him out more though okay yeah like he called he read his, seven tenants or whatever they are. Number eight could be steroids now.

Shit like that. Oh yeah. Pierce. Hey, what do you think about Pierce? Uh, uh, Magnus,

thank you. Uh, what, what do you think about Pierce Morgan flipping the script? He's come full circle. He got red pilled right before our eyes. Same with Bill Maurer. Same with Joe Rogan. I don't know if you can say that about bill maher really i don't think he's drank or he's he has not consumed the red pill he has i think people like to put that label on him okay to help their narrative but i don't think that's the case

okay which is totally... What about Piers Morgan? I like where Bill is in terms of he believes his... He has his positions, but he also believes that you don't have to be on a side

and dogmatically follow everything on that side. Like me. You can have opinions that differ from the popular norm of your party. Oh, good. Yeah, keep calling. I want to ask.

We're going to go soon. Okay, hold on. I want to call her. Give me one second. I just want to say this one thing to Dave. A friend of mine, unbeknownst to me joined one of your shooting competitions he went there which one oh yeah i know uh and he told me too he reported two things back he said your daughter took second place in the shooting competition which is crazy to me with all these grown men

and he said jason kalipa broke one of your uh special guns are both of those stories true both those stories are totally true. Did your daughter cheat? Did you help her? Are you standing over her shoulder? No, I just practiced with her and she... How old is she? 13. Crazy.

And once she knows she's in a compete, she starts focusing and wanting to train and prepare for it, just like me. So she puts the work in and it's showing. Were you embarrassed that she took second? Like, yo girl, like throw some shots,

do some bad shots on purpose. Like take fifth or something. Cause I took first. You enter your own shooting competition. Oh my goodness. That's totally norm. That's totally normal. Um,

Jason broke a $7,000 gun. Awesome. Yeah. Damaged his friendship at all? A little. I had to send it back. Actually, the piece he broke, once I took off the scope, once I took it out of the chassis, once I took the trigger off, the part that he broke is only $2,000.

Was it just because he's just too strong? He's just the fucking Hulk? I didn't see it. and that's my contention but everyone around they're either covering for him or so it's a bolt action gun you lift it up you pull it back you push it forward you push it down yeah you take a shot you lift it up you pull it back you pull it forward what do you imagine jason doing in that situation just pull it not lifting up and just pulling straight well i imagine him lifting up and just pulling back like a fucking animal yeah and so yeah i think jason broke it yeah uh well they should they should they should give you i just hung out i just saw him today they should give you two guns now that was some quality control

uh caller hi hey how's it going i'm just the luckiest man alive right now. Dude, I'm shitting bricks right now. This is really cool. So I have a question, I guess, for either one of you guys, but I'm a chiropractor, and I have been doing a lot of looking into CrossFit health lately. So I've been coaching for a few years, and it seems like there's such a cool opportunity with the Physicians Portal of finding doctors who do

CrossFit, uh, from all different medical fields. I don't even know if this is really the place to ask the question, but it seems like it's been in a weird position for a few years where I, it just doesn't seem like it's really like going anywhere and gaining any traction. Um, he's in charge of growth so you've actually come to the right place oh that's and and honestly he's a legend too so so joe um suza pull up map.crossfit.com and um nobody else talks i'm like no one else no one else what like gives like commands like this like no no no no uh there's only one person who could ever replace dave as the

face. It's Rich Froning. If he isn't available, we could settle for Kalipa, Wad Zombie. Okay. So map.crossfit.com, click on CrossFit Physicians and de-click Affiliates. Yep, yep. There you go. And so just scroll left. And it's specialty too. This is a pretty cool fucking feature. For any of you looking for a practitioner, come to California, where the 13 is, and click on 13. Did you even know this is out there, Sevan? I think I did, but I'd forgotten.

Zoom in on our area. Let's find a doctor for Sevan. There we go. Zoom in more. Proctologist. There's two. Let's pick that one by Watsonville. Yeah right there so look right there michael dunn emergency medicine if you need a doctor in the aptos area oh shit that's a couple miles from my house yeah so that guy does crossfit and

if i want like emergency medicine okay but anyway go ahead i, sorry, I feel like there's a ton more out there and I don't know why it's not up there. I sent an email a few months ago and this isn't a, I know you're not IT or anything, but they told me in the email that basically like everything's still in the works. There's a lot of things still changing. And I don't know, I just feel like it's such a, like it's literally the epitome of a lot of what, you know, Greg had as far as like what he was imagining this thing where CrossFit was going. And it seems like it's not taking any traction. But I do love this. This is awesome. periods of friction that we've been going through the last few years between the sale and then those last two years, the last year, now a new CEO. So, you know, we have a lot going on. So why I'm saying that, you know, you getting an answer like that, that kind of is incomplete, you know you getting an answer like that that kind of is incomplete um doesn't surprise me in terms of where we're at and that that'll all improve and get better but it's just it's just

gonna take a lot of time i'd like to address that too so all the departments had heads and really the head of that department the vision the driving force the thing that greg was most involved in was crossfit health with karen thompson like it was just basically the fucking two of them they drove that fucking thing while the rest of us did our own shit and that was greg's baby wouldn't you say dave for sure and so when he sold the company uh crossfit health lost its way and uh it was supposed to be about the ills of modern medicine and to look at why it was it was that that department was supposed to bring doctors in and show them that CrossFit's a great tool for them. And instead, I think that it lost its way and doctors were being brought in as doctors instead of indoctrinating them to

CrossFit. It was kind of started leaning more towards indoctrinating CrossFitters to doctors. And, and so it kind of lost its way. And then since then, I think it's got another reset. I think that it's, it's kind of unfucked itself from there. And now they're back to a clean slate. So in defense. So we'll be to see what's interesting. But those are that was a very unique and special vision for that specific department that was being driven by Greg. And so and he was obviously the first department had to go when he sold the company. So what a quick question. What do you guys think of seven doing in person more in person definitely need to work on this i think this display of it but you don't like the the posters back there and maybe like what do you mean the display

the posters are interesting yeah what do you mean display i don't know there's something about me being so much lower than you okay i can fix that. Okay, I like that. That's good feedback. I'll fix that next time. Maybe a shared table that's larger. Okay. Hey, thank you, Dave. Thank you, Siobhan. Thank you. Sorry.

Yeah, you're welcome. Bye. All right, last question and then I'm going to wrap it up. I can't believe I fucking did this for two hours. I can't believe you did it for two hours, too.

We talked about David Gog goggins we talked about netanyahu we talked about cleba breaking your uh gun okay here we go man the dolphins lost five in a row huh how do you still fucking like that team i I don't know. Okay, you have the last question. Go ahead. Oh, good deal. What's up, Siobhan? Hey. Dave, I appreciate you spending your time. But I just wanted to,

you may have answered this question, but Andrew Hiller is a big proponent with Siobhan of putting out a lot of content regarding CrossFit. And I feel he's put a lot of good content, exposing opportunities for improvement. But he recently had a video talking about how CrossFit might be dying. And I just wanted to hear your thoughts. I know it's kind of a loaded statement, but personally I'm going on 10 years as a level one.

I just took on a job as an affiliate coach and uh head coach and so i feel like costa is as good or coming to back to like it's great period but i just would like your opinion on that it's clearly not dying and that's 100 clickbait so you gotta understand how people like it so you gotta understand how people like it so you gotta understand how people like hillar work and people like satwan i do not work like titles that is it's you know what i'm trying i've been hearing i've been hearing it's dying since 2005 for when i first got involved uh it's not dying it's not going anywhere um that post or that video, I don't know what the content, what he said in the content, but I know the title and that title is 100% clickbait.

The methodology is too powerful, too effective, too potent to go away that easily. We're not selling a piece of equipment. We're not, you know, TRX or some of these other things or trends or the thigh master, some of these things that have come and gone. We're a way of thinking. We're a way of training.

Combine that with a super passionate community. Who's really supportive of each other. And that's fucking powerful. And it's not, there's no, no demise in the near future of CrossFit as a methodology or as a movement. Awesome, man. Well, I love it, bro. And I won't take any more of your time. And yeah, I feel the same way. I feel like CrossFit is something that's beyond just, you know, working out in the community. It's so powerful. And I'm just happy to be back as a coach.

And if you're ever in Florida, Tampa, Florida, the CrossFit's called CrossFit Warrior Eagle. If you ever were in the area, man. Cool. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks, dude, for the call. Later, guys. Carlos, thank you for the money. I'm about later guys yep uh carlos thank you for the money i'm about to pee my pants uh dave thanks for coming thanks um don't worry about being late

it's fine anything for you uh i will see you guys tomorrow tomorrow morning 7 a.m we continue the with Trisha Evangelista. Is that her name, Sousa? Yes. Yes. All right, awesome. Okay, guys, thank you. Sousa, thanks for running the back end, and I will see you guys tomorrow. Dave with the quick exit.

Bye-bye. Adios.