The Sevan Podcast - #775 - Aaron Ginn | Hydro Host

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

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Bam, we're live. Oh, well, I changed it to predicting the future. Even better. Thank you. Have we ever had a guest suggest a title for the show? Yes. Oh, it's not just Aaron? Not just Aaron.

He's not a one of a kind like that? How many guests have suggested a name for the show besides Aaron? Maybe like two, two or three. He's in 700 shows in Aaron. Yeah, but to Aaron's defense, I screwed up his name. So really it was a misspelling on my part. So you opened the door for all sorts of feedback. We're lucky he's here.

I would have screwed it up before I got going, to be honest. So, well, my last name is actually a misspelling of my real name anyways so my grandfather immigrated he didn't speak english and so they misspelled it how was it supposed to be spelled uh phonetically it should be like y-i-n uh and every one of his brothers has a different misspell as a different last name because they all immigrated different times and they didn't speak english and and and so i have g-i-n i have j-i-n-n i have y-i-h or y-i-g-h so all of my cousins and second cousins and stuff have different different last names pronounce it for me it's gin like the drink oh it is okay yeah but but everyone wants to say gin yeah Yeah. But it's gin. Like the drink. Oh yeah, I'm going to write that down here

so I don't screw it up. Like the nasty drink. Oh god, gin's so hard to drink. Do you like gin? Do you drink gin, Aaron? I don't drink it. I don't drink at all. I'm a teetotaler. A what?

A teetotaler. What's that? It's like straight edge. Okay. Yeah, teetotaler is the other more erudite word for it. Is that an urban dictionary word or it's just a word that you need to know for your SAT and I don't know it? your sat and i don't know it yeah so t-toler was a was a movement uh that was kind of like late 1900s that they both these christians believe that the bible condemned alcohol uh usage yeah and uh and so it kind of spun out of that so like some famous t-tolers are like uh

mormons right so the whole faith is t-tolers um and so it's named after the the people who uh the original people who thought about it so it was a bit of like a slang a slander um but i i it was really it was like those guys are tea toddlers they don't drink alcohol yeah yeah exactly right it's like those losers right especially those catholics are like those losers over there who don't drink they don't even get their swerve on. How are they going to meet any girls? Aaron, you're not married. I am not.

No. But I think I was at your house, and I think that you had a girlfriend maybe. Oh, no, no, no. No girlfriend? No, those are just girls from the gym that you met. Okay. Just girls from the gym. Just the onslaught that are normally coming through. the gym okay just just girls from just the onslaught that are normally coming through hey is that is that this house this room that you're sitting in is that is that the house that

i visited yeah this is my study wow it's coming together yeah yeah it's fully uh fully built out uh so all the inside's done uh and so yeah we're just doing outside work now so yeah this is uh one of my engineers lives with me so So that's his desk. Uh, and then I have some photos of every place I've been around the world. So, uh, so like right there, the one in the corner, that is the Serengeti. So there's a bunch of lions on it. I took, uh, that are like walking towards the car and stuff. So. Super cool. God, thanks. By the way, I don't know if I ever thanked you,

but thanks for having us at your house. That was cool. I know it was fun. It was super fun'm i'm happy you greg and the crew came it was it was great when i first heard your name i'm gonna make the date up i don't know if it's true but 2020 early 2020 yeah and greg said hey you gotta see this guy uh this thing this guy aaron gin wrote and i think it was in medium yeah yeah it's medium with an m not median with an n uh it's medium yeah medium like uh yeah like a smaller than large uh yeah it's like a so it's a blogging company started by the former co-founder of twitter uh and essentially it was started off as like a high uh high tech uh blogging community and then i wrote my piece in response to another guy in tech who basically said you know a gajillion

people are going to die in like a year oh yeah i didn't know it was in response to that guy's piece yeah the and it was called the hammer and dance or something like that so uh it was it was absolutely absurd and i mean he was off by like thousand x right and and so i was writing a response to that and then uh and i've kind of was i was already following it so i had like a uh an email list that i was with a bunch of my friends that kept wanting to be added. A number of CrossFit boxes and CrossFitters were on the list. And then a bunch of tech executives, journalists. So it was kind of like a privately shared doc for about two months. And then one of my friends at the time, who also worked in tech, recommended that I post it on Medium.

Does that guy hate you does the guy who suggested that hate you no no so he like he set you up yeah exactly so at that time already been canceled so that was the that was the third time i've been canceled so there's two other times so i was already used to it all right and and you know thanks to having an asian father i'm very used to uh being a constant disappointment to somebody. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

So the fact I don't have a DR in my name, right, an MD, like, means I was a failure. So he still doesn't even understand what I do. He's like, you know, I'm an entrepreneur. I don't even know what that means, right? Because you're dead. Born in China? No, no. He was the first generation. so his father immigrated um um and uh so yeah so i wrote

it was actually like a living document so over the course of two months when i was reading chinese newspapers i was reading the who documents i was like researching um past research on coronavirus uh and following sort of what's going on uh i was i was adding to a document so it was like a google doc that first started as like three pages then grew into like a 40 page document and then my friend was like oh you should publish this so i did and i actually wrote in the beginning it was like a living like sort of document that i was going to constantly edit uh and then it just went like insanely viral uh yeah three million three million views in in 24 hours or something crazy right yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. It was the

most widely read blog, blog posts or medium posts of that, uh, of that day. And then also when zero had republished it because the medium took it down, uh, which is by the way, medium still has it offline. Uh, even though I was right as, as the Stanford epidemiology crew said, I was 95% right on like what I was surmising and could read through the tea leaves. So zero hedge actually republished the whole thing. And it was the most widely read article in zero hedge all of all of that year. So it I Yeah, so it just it went super crazy viral much more than I thought it was gonna be because it was just really to like make it easier for my friends to to read it uh and

because you know i was making all the updates google docs and then like the world went crazy and uh you know their you know times were hit pieces against me cnn to msnbc slay all the sort of who's who evoked of us like you know went after me and then meaning woke to this woke to this that's a new one yeah i like i'm gonna use'm going to use that, Woke to Vists. Okay. It was called The Hammer and the Dance. I want to bring it up so we could see it here. Oh, no. So that was running. It's that.

So Michael's called Evidence Over Hysteria. Got it. Thank you. Yeah, COVID Evidence Over Hysteria. And so Google – you may not be able to find it. There are a couple places that have it. Yeah. So Google –

Sorry, that's my fault. I should have given you a link, Susan evidence over hysteria, COVID-19. Yeah. So then, so then G drive actually deleted the article. So I had everything in G drive and they removed it. Uh, and then, uh, a bunch of, wait a second. Why did they do that? Cause they, they said it violated their, um, some policy they had. How did they get into because because they they said it violated their um some policy they had how did they get into your google drive i mean all these tech companies have access to everything in their stack so so it's part of their terms of service so whether you're hosting on something on amazon

hosting something on microsoft they have access to it and they can they can see what it is the first hit is actually a crossfit gym oh is it with it reposted yeah oh that's awesome that's awesome oh that is great that's the first yeah so that's that's funny uh so so yeah like it got reposted a lot because it got taken offline um so you can see that like i've written i wrote in the bowl there i'm constantly updating this as i gather information so i was updating this in my google doc and then re-emailing out to my email list twice a day so i literally wake up i would read you know epidemiologists i'd read you know crazy people i did not agree with i would have um sort of counter things to that i would look at the

new stuff was coming out of europe uh and then you know post this in there and and then so after i got taken offline then i got like hyper involved into uh basically uh media governors uh congressmen and stuff like that so i got looped into all that, conversation around that sort of having impact on domestic policy. Uh, and so I just, I want to go. So the article got so much traction that you started getting asked to speak to Congressman, uh, to get your perspective. Okay. Yeah. Governor or stuff like that. Um, governors of states contacted you. Yeah. The ones that basically reopened earlier. Awesome. Than everybody else. Yes, awesome.

Yeah. And then, so, yeah, so it was the biggest impact that I've had on public policy since I've been involved in politics. And I did it as a very brutal 2020 in terms of like, I was on calls all day, morning to night, talking to people, working against, specifically actually in the administration as well, against Fauci and Dr. Birx, like providing data to people, providing analysis. I would get, you know, emails from people saying, Hey, here's what I, here's what my public health, you know, fascist said today. What can I say back to them?

Then this would be like an executive of the government or like a mayor or something like that. And then I would provide a response back. And I worked with newspapers, TV shows, stuff like that to provide them analysis on what was going on. And overall, like, I still stay true to sort of my core argument, which was that this is a risk, a very severe disease for people who are very well known and controlled, aka you're old and you're overweight. And that every energy should be focused on those people, but the rest of the population should continue on with life.

And I also questioned long COVID. I questioned all these like mitigations. It's kind of a waste of time. And that the secondary effects, actually the last part of my big long article was I wrote about how that this would be used as a means of creating authoritarian aspects in the government, and that rapid inflation would be the cause of this. And that basically, the people that are going to die from this disease are probably going to die anyways. And that came true, like that there's very little evidence that anything that we did that cost, you know, not only children's education, like we still haven't even understood

the ramification of missing school for two years, to the inflation rate that we're dealing with, to like a lot of these sort of current undertones around international affairs are basically the tensions as the free trade system broke down right like Peru to Ukraine are all consequences of this and and so you know this will be kind of like you know as we go forward into the next generation we'll tell stories and and it would be sort of like the Cuban Mr. Crisis like we'll tell kids like oh my gosh you wouldn't believe this this tell kids that like, oh my gosh, you wouldn't believe this. This happened. They'd be like, oh my gosh, it really happened. Like people forced you to wear paper over your face. And like people thought that like sitting down was safer than walking past you. Like you're like, yeah. That's why your mom has a speech impediment because everyone around her was masked and she never learned how to talk properly. Yeah.

Yeah. Flaminamide babies, but they're going to be COVID babies. Like there, there are so many examples in public health history that I know you, that I know you know about where like the experts were adamant, just absolutely adamant that smoking was amazing. Right. And it wasn't that like, that was a small, I mean, it was literally universal within the medical fields. Right. Or, or,

or different drugs that we prescribe like and and this was one of those scenarios except circumcision wait till we get to that one wait till we get to that fucking the whole country general mutilation go see the movie american circumcision i know it's not popular i know you guys don't want to know about it but go see the movie. Yeah. So, yeah, that was a wild year. And I don't regret it because it felt one of those, as I know you felt, like it felt like an existential moment for the world. And that we had to fight. I'm going to submit myself to a, you know, public health inspector who doesn't know anything about my business, doesn't know anything about my life, that somehow is granted this expertise that is totally based on BS. It's totally based on hubris. And it was a, what's the right word for it?

A shaking out of everyone's friend group. Wow. You saw people who stood by, you know, you for being heterodox. You saw people who stood by like our friends. They were also heterodox. They were basically just presenting an alternative. What's that word you're using? What's, what's the word? Oh, heterodox. What's that mean? Uh, just alternative, like red pill based. Okay. Yeah. Um, and, uh, and so, yeah, like, uh,

I lost a lot of friends and that was one reason why I left San Francisco. Um, was that shit? I didn't know that. That is why you left the Bay area. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, heterodox, not conforming with accepted or orthodox standards or beliefs. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's definitely didn't agree. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Used to going across. Yeah. Cross crossfitting to, right? Yeah, yeah, right. Used to. Yeah, crossfit for 13 years, man. Hey, what happened with Peru and the Ukraine?

You mentioned that. That went over my head, too. What happened with them? So Peru had a – that's actually one of my 2023 predictions was that there was going to be a democracy that was going to go through a coup uh and basically return to military role uh so peru just went through that so the president of peru just tried to uh who by the way was one of the most insane people with covid like literally crazy like he would have people police hunt people down who left their houses right uh so he tried to suspend the constitution and get rid of congress and then uh and use the military take over and then so that's that didn't work so now an unelected president is in power and then now there's

rampant protests all over the country trying to overthrow that president who was unelected uh and uh so yeah so like it's freaking what's going on peru is insane and like there's been probably over 100 people have died so far and just the broad protests um but they were one of the worst people in covet like in south america one of the absolute worst um and then obviously like ukraine is is is a is a function of the fact of guess what when you destroy international relations between countries for a virus you can't stop like this happen then people feel like okay well there's no consequence of this right like because you're not connected to trade to me anymore so there's no more cost to me to invade you so i'm just gonna beg right and and so like all these sort of tensions that like over overflew

like the that previously that like trade would mitigate right that there was a cost of doing of invading a country or cost of attacking a country but through lockdowns and through like massive supply chain eruptions it was gone right there was there was there was less mitigation to uh to just attack the country my mom's drunk now's the perfect time to ask her if i can stay up and watch a movie tonight i think it was jack ma that said when trade stops war starts right yeah and and so you're going to see this with taiwan that like that's where a lot of my family that stayed in china after mal fell after mal took over they flipped to taiwan because

they're part of the nationalist party like you'll see uh i don't i don't think i think she is actually in a very weak position i'm not i'm not very bullish that like uh the president of taiwan the prime minister of taiwan no no the the uh so he used to be president and now he's uh uh president she uh oh yeah that's so funny i thought you said she it's president she's listen listen you jackasses in the comments i don't want to hear it this guy's too smart for the show listen listen jackasses i'll slow him down a little bit we'll get 10 of what he said just you chill I will promise you he is too smart for the show but we'll I'll slow this train down and get some words even though

I'll confuse she with she holy shit that's my most embarrassing moment my most embarrassing moment of the show that was funny oh my goodness okay so to recap so Aaron wrote this article that was just a hobby of his. He broke the internet with it. Greg saw it, and he was like, holy shit, this guy gets it. And there were some things there. Not only that, so you said you were reading Chinese news, so that means you speak Chinese and read it?

I can read it better than I can speak it. Okay. I was reading papers and stuff. Yeah. Okay. So you were kind of getting stuff from the source. You didn't have to rely on CNN or Fox or MSNBC. You source, I mean, it's still their source,

but you could at least get it from directly from other fake news. Not once hearsay for more fake news. Yeah. But maybe you can read, this is my, my problem with so much of the American media is that they don't understand how Chinese people think. And so they're – when you read Chinese news, like you kind of read it how you used to read Pravda, the communist newspaper from the Soviet Union. Like you read the tea leaves.

You read between the lines. You understand motivations. the lines right you understand motivations right and and the chinese like the chinese government which has um basically the same pattern of operating for the last 70 80 years it's been an operation is that it doesn't lie like the russians do the russians lie in the sense of like like a big bad bear who's kind of drunk and wants to be rich and have like a maserati or lamborghini right It's a very obvious why. It's something you kind of definitely see as like, okay, this is just like humorous. It's just being haughty and arrogant and just being preconditions, right? The CCP doesn't lie that

way. They take something true and they mold it, right? And you can sort of see evidence of it and you can sort of see like, that could be true sort of see like that could be true i could believe that right versus the russian propaganda just like absolutely just like it's like you know it's basically nationalism plus lying right and and ccp propaganda is very subtle right it's very like undercurrent it's very uh sort of similar to like how uh the mainstream media uh is disingenuous with us right like they label things that are true misinformation, right? And they, therefore they don't deal with it to blame. That's a lot of the CCP like operates. And, and so whenever, for example, the virus was first being like, was, was in the wild, which, which my current operating hypothesis in, if Fauci wasn't so approved, approving of the CCP regime, we would have more details about this. But essentially, what I believe happened is that the virus escaped from some form of military operation.

Because how you know that is that China said first when it came out that American military brought it over. So what that means probably is that they did it, right? The military, they, by accident, right? It escaped. They thought it was really serious. So they thought it was really serious so they thought this was like SARS on steroids right because SARS is super deadly disease like 25 30 percent mortality rate right it's very very deadly and they thought it was highly highly transmissible so they freaked out right and then they realized I think probably like February of 2020 that oh wait this actually isn't that bad and we super overreacted and we probably killed a bunch of people in that process like causing hysteria and we locked people in doors And we super overreacted and we probably killed a bunch of people in that process, like causing hysteria.

And we locked people in doors and we prevented them from eating. And then all of a sudden, if you look at the news, it just kind of stops. After February, like when Italy was being hit, right? And Europe was freaking out. Europe was going to lockdowns. They just sort of stopped.

The data stopped coming out. They kind of, the CCP went quiet because I think what they were like saying, you know what? All of our enemies are now freaking out about this we were initially freaked out let's just let them figure this out on their own right i think that's what they did they they then let the the chips fall as they may uh and kind of let us do what we did for the last two years what do you think about that the the chinese doctor who died early on, the guy.

Oh, you mean it was a female? You're talking about the bat coronavirus? No, not the bat lady. There was that guy. The bat lady didn't die, did she? She disappeared. She disappeared, right. There was a guy early on who died. And there was another guy who fell out of a window over there.

Or maybe it was in russia god there were some there were some crazy things that happened in the beginning that i was like okay let me ask you this let's just let me just get crazy and then i'll bring us back on track this is i can what about the ivermectin plant that burnt down in like taipei or wherever the world's largest do you remember that thing yeah i so a lot of the like treatment stuff it's like it's it there there was a lot of dirty data that came out about uh therapies and uh both from the sense of like i think uh things that probably do work like i think a lot of the steroid treatments stuff that came out come out like or effective that was actually because i got coveted in italy uh when i was first like we didn't think

it was spreading that fast and i was super sick for two weeks. And then what month was that? That was January of 2020. Oh, wow. Okay. So you were there in it. Yeah. And so like, and I didn't know what it was. In fact, when I went to the doctor and said, just go there, she came in with like face shield mask. Oh, so you brought it here to the States. You're one of the, yeah. And so it it's this was literally a question goes like have you been to china and i was like that's racist no i was kidding uh i was like oh it was just it was a hydrochloric queen uh factory that burned down in taiwan i had my city wrong and the drug wrong yeah yeah okay hcl okay um so uh and then i said no i was in italy and she goes oh okay she took all her stuff off and she goes okay i think you just probably have the flu and I'm right.

It definitely was COVID. So but like these treatment stuff, it's hard to measure a lot of the response rates because of how they do the sampling and how they do the controls. And so, for example, that there was a Veterans Affairs study when Trump was pushing hydroxychloroquine. And so that study was basically a lie. Like they literally invented the data and altered it to where it made Trump look bad. And now we know that for sure. Like literally the study has been withdrawn. It's been like criticized all around, even from like, you know, nazis and stuff like it it is an embarrassing study and was used as propaganda right and so a lot of these things that come out eventually we see like later as time goes on which is why we shouldn't be pushing medicine unless it has time to gestate and people look at it uh and you can see the sort of effects or don't see so the effects

um the uh so so there are treatments that we basically rejected uh because aka it was like for political reasons one was the antibody treatments uh which should work like logically like from a biological it's like it should work and they were denied for for over a year why because president trump was pushing it right and if you look at the most recent example with governor dos santos uh who also was pushing it like you you saw Biden basically respond to where, oh, you can't actually have those treatments. Right. So like this is where like science, which I know in the CrossFit world, right, nutrition and fitness science have always been intermingled with politics. And that's something that CrossFit, you know, we've been living through. through but like the culmination i think of people you know the covid thing was that now the insanity that we thought was only in academia we used to just joke around being like oh those are just

people who work in universities it's not going to impact my life literally they were causing people to go unemployed causing the world to implode over literally no data right yeah and stopping kids from going to school hey my kids my kids can't go to school in california why because they're because they don't take the drugs my kids aren't on the drug oh oh really they still enforce that really wow all sorts dude also you should see the the protocol it's crazy not just covet all of them all the drugs dude hey once you figure out covet was a scam and that vaccine was a scam and then you just like scratch like this hard on the surface of the measles vaccine the whole fucking thing starts to fall apart it's good no yeah like and i don't know anything about the is it the mnmr yeah i don't know anything about about those stuff like like like this is not my you will when you have kids buddy you will if you have kids you'll you'll look into it and

you'll be like oh my god duh it was a scam from the beginning. Well, what I believe fundamentally about the way government should work interacting with people is I believe in the sovereignty of the individual, but not because the individual doesn't make bad decisions. It's because the other side of the decision-making paradigm, which could be the collective, has so many negative, massive secondary effects that are so harmful to the world that you shouldn't even encroach, right? Yeah, certainly individuals will do bad things. But the thing is, like, it's much more controllable than if you have the collective do bad things. And the same applies to like free speech and censorship, right? It's not like because I'm a free speech, almost purist and absolutist. I'm not in certain scenarios, but those are very specific, very narrow. And they've basically been adjudicated through the Supreme Court in a very in such a bulletproof manner that like I basically follow that.

But either way, if you think about free speech, it's the same thing. I don't I don't believe in free speech because there's not like there's bad people who say mean things to you. Like that is humanity. Right right it is the reality it's because giving someone that power to mitigate that is has so much negative secondary effects it's not worth even encroaching right and and so i always say that i have the mark cuban uh who the moderate you know you know mark cuban's like he's a moderate republican sometimes democrat vc uh basketball owner he says i want to know who the stupid people are that's basically my free speech position. Like, what is the downside of having people who are really awful and gross and grotesque

saying what they want? Oh, now I know that person. Like, now I can block that person, right? You don't have to read their stuff. Like, I don't understand this, like, movement, which COVID, like, epitomized, right? COVID was the culmination of Trump hysteria, authoritarianism that just peaked itself, right? Like, I don't understand this obsession of like being a parent, like in the room when someone says something you don't like, but you don't even know that person. And taking one statement that they made and dehumanizing to the point where like they haven't done anything else in their life.

And I have no sympathy for that. It's hard for me to even like to understand. but that is where our culture is today, which is terrifying. We can't just deal with different – The perfect example, I think – I'm trying to understand the big ones of what you said, but when Trump was in office and they were developing the mRNA concoction, I mean, we've all seen the video. There's an amazing edited together video of all the high-profile Democrats saying they'll never fucking take it because it was made when Trump was in office. And the second he was out of office, they flipped the script. And I think that perfectly illustrates what you're saying it's like this crazy hysteria and you're right i don't know intellectually understand it

either i i intellectually do not understand how you could make that jump just based on who was office when that was made maybe there is it's not like it's not like donald trump was in the lab making that shit himself. Yeah. I think one of his pubic hair got in there or something. Like what? But he used the word sovereignty. Sovereignty means supreme power or authority.

And Aaron Jin, as in the drink, believes that us as individuals have the supreme power or authority over ourselves. Yep. Over ourselves. How about the abortion one? That one's kind of crazy, right? In one sense. Because the girl has to have supreme authority over herself, but the baby in there needs to have supreme authority over itself. but the baby in there needs to have supreme authority over itself one of my friends explained it to me like this he said when the girl lets the head of the penis crest past her labia

that's where she has to make the decision that's where she has supreme authority over herself and then once it crests past that then then the baby gets uh is is renting uh space in the stomach that it now the constitution now belongs. It now has sovereignty inside the womb. I don't know where I fall on it, but I don't want to kill babies, but I don't want to put rules on girls. So I'm all fucked up on this one. Well, I think that they're – just because you have a – I'll phrase this in a maybe a political sense. So like one reason why libertarians – and I have very strong libertarian leanings on many things – lose elections is because they don't have any meaningful power. They make stands that I mostly agree with. It's because they're more interested in being – having a pure position than actually being effective, and very muchato, which is, you know, as you know, right. You've been to Cato. I went over there a few times.

Yeah. A bunch of smart people like you, where I want to be like, Oh, what's that word mean? So, so the building faces away from Congress because they're always a third wheel. Like they have, Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah. Okay. Their back is facing, right. It's because they want to be the outside force. Right. So, so the, the, the interest that I have in terms of when you think about what does it mean to have interviewer sovereignty doesn't mean that you don't have other competing principles, right? Because wisdom is the application of principles. It doesn't mean that every time you always absolutely curious follow that, right? Because it's a rule. It's a rubric. It doesn't mean that

every moment of every day you follow it. A good example is when you think about murder, right? Because it's a rule. It's a rubric. It doesn't mean that every moment of every day, you follow it. A good example is when you think about murder, right? So I believe murder is wrong, right? But is there a difference between manslaughter? Is there a difference between first and second, third? All right. Of course there is, right? Because motivation, it matters premeditative. It matters significantly when you murder somebody, right? If you do it by accident or you do it in grades of premeditation it doesn't mean that like because someone did it from a from a from an accident perspective that you're now opposed to murder of course not because judgment is the application wisdom application of principles uh and our society for some reason and i think this goes down to this trustless like we're losing trust in institutions, like overwhelmingly, right. It's because we have removed the humanity from making judgment. So we want, we want these

purist rules that are sort of like insane and absurd, right. Like, as in like always wear a mask, always wear a mask. Right. And you're like, but really like, but is that what is really, maybe I can understand in the healthcare setting, I can understand in like other environments, but there's no wisdom, right. Because we don't trust people. And I think this in the healthcare setting. I can understand in like other environments, but there's no wisdom, right? Because we don't trust people. And I think this is the failure of currently where we are in our country is because to be free, you have to trust people.

So going back to the individual soldier, that's how it works, right? It's not because I want everyone to be an isolated libertarian living in Montana. It's because you have the choice of who to create social relationships with, to create trust between people, because you are ultimately the best person to make that decision, not the government, not anybody else. So that is the founding idea, is that we can trust people

to make social bonds. And our society now, this is why I think CrossFit is so effective, is because it became like a church, like I'm a is so effective it's because it became a like like a church like i'm a devout evangelical christian and it became a religion to people who did not have any form of way of trusting people and it drew them in and they're like oh i have a framework i have values and norms and i have i have rituals right i have the open and i have i have these heroes right it's like the hero's journey right they they have all that. And so for us to return back to, I think, the orientation, which, like, I want desperately, is like, we have to learn to trust people again, and let them fail and forgive. So wokeism is, I think, a one reason why it's so hard, I think, to like, pinpoint, like, like you said about like, like, woke brain created that vaccine logic right orange man made it bad now biden produces it great in a farmer company which still boggles my old farmer company makes it so it's great right yeah all right give it to your kids give it to your kids yeah younger than better

three-year-olds yeah inject them inject them yes yeah you know they're far more likely to die the flu like almost like 100 times more likely to have flu like and and so there's this like weird pattern in wokeism that is so hard to pin down because it's an anti-theology it doesn't there's nothing there it's just anti something right uh and it goes down to when you have a trustless the society that we're in where it's like such uh lack of trust between people and strangers and trusting their judgment basically letting them make mistakes like trusting them to you know not have these crazy onerous rules that make them do insane things within the government uh and so instead like wokeism inserts itself because it creates some resemblance

of values and norms and rituals right uh because there is there's all that there's there's a penance there's a sin right there's public witch burning uh yeah and so like yeah so so the way to like i think prevent the society from drifting down to this horrible marxist direction that we're going is we basically get people back involved in social institutions that create good people that create norms and and values between them and fabrics that allow them to basically see people more as they are, which is humans make mistakes. Humans do great things and do bad things, right? Aaron, you know what I was thinking the other day?

You just helped me flesh it out one more level. You're probably going to just completely define it for me, which would be great. All of us are religious, but we don't know it in the same way that all of us need to breathe air by that. I mean, if you, you don't think, if you don't think you have a religion, that means you have a religion and you don't know what it is. It would be as dumb as me saying that I don't have, I don't breathe. And you'd be like, Oh, this guy fucking doesn't get what he's, he doesn't understand respiration and what's going on. We're, we, we have an amulet inside of us somewhere and it needs, it needs like things to survive. And those things are oxygen and, uh, it doesn't necessarily need, uh, um, um, shelter, but it needs oxygen and some food and, uh, um, and it has a desire to, uh, to fornicate or ejaculate or procreate. It's driven

like heavily by that. And then also it has a religion, but since we can't touch that thing, people forget we have it, but I'm at 50 years old i'm finally realizing holy shit everyone i know has a religion and some people literally i don't even mean this with any poetic license some people their fucking religion is don lemon yeah that fills that hole right yeah like you have to have it to exist it's an ideology though, right? It's the ideology of the left that is the religion. But I'm not even saying that in a poetic way. I mean you literally need that like you need air.

But since we don't call it religion, yeah, I guess maybe we need to change what we call it. But then the religious people will probably think it's blasphemy. But they put something in there that shouldn't be in there. It's like trying to stick a fucking candle in the back of a battery in the back of a flashlight to get it to work. It's like, dude, that thing doesn't work on candle power. It's a fucking battery that goes in there. They have all their shit fucked up. And I'm not a religious man at all, but I'm starting to get it.

Like, oh, shit, I better pick something because I better figure out what my religion is because i got one there's a greek word for it isn't it like padilla where it's baked in oh yeah get aaron tell aaron something he doesn't know that would be fucking awesome what's a 36 52 clip that yeah go ahead well i was gonna say that's something that the greek always baked into it it was the culture of like their which which is what you're saying, Savon, which was their religion. And so it was kind of baked into the way that they behaved in society, the way that they conducted themselves. And one of the things that was there was a power higher than themselves. And so they were all able to operate within this freedom under the kingdom of

Christ, which was the higher power above them. And this was baked into all their teachings, even though they were more, they were still acceptable of all other religions it was kind of unifying everything under a god and apparently if you were to say where did this uh trend start where did the crack of the damn go before we all skewed away from that is they they normally say they the educational system right is where that patria was lost and then the new ideology of the woke was implanted.

Would you raise your kids as Christians if you had kids? Were you raised as a Christian or did you have to find that on your own? I was not raised as a Christian. I am the only evangelical Christian in my whole broader family as well.

And so I was very strongly challenged from my dad when i had my interaction with christ when i was very late in high school like 17 or 18 uh but but i already believed in uh which is like you're touching on so many trends that like um let me phrase it this way every idea has a parent right there's a source but not all parents explain uh not all parents explain all ideas right there's a lineage that creates what we believe today and i was pursuing that in in high school and college being like why do i believe what i believe like what is the source and so many americans don't see that there if you go read john rawls uh who i i find a very

uh interesting but very evil a lot of very evil ideas. You can read almost every single, it was in the 70s and 80s and stuff like that when it became popular. Are you talking about the children's book? All those children's books? Raoul? No, no, he's a political philosopher. So the whole idea, even like the abortion of it as you

mentioned, all of the language of that was defined by him. Go read the idea of that was defined by him right you go read the the the idea of like personhood and individuality experience emotion right it's it's all there like in all of his writings before it ever became mainstream and so what i would want like people in this age of where we're almost in this anti-philosophy age is go read actually the people that define the way you think and you will be utterly terrified about the lives of those people for what they actually did with them uh so so an amazing example is i think that humanity went through in the last sort of uh 2000 years so these different phases of man

and man i mean mankind not to you know just dudes right so it there is this there's evolution i think of i was thinking of roald dahl god damn it i'm this show is just full of gaffes yeah i was thinking willie wonka that guy could be considered evil james and the giant peach or whatever the fuck he wrote okay okay okay yes so so seeing where these ideas came from and i I hate the way – I knew that – I know whenever the abortion topic comes up, people couch it wrong too. It's like how they couch it is how they want you to act – how they want you to think about it, like pro-choice, pro-life. Like I don't want to think about it like that. I don't want to think about it the way they want me to think about it.

What is the justification of what is a human? Like that's actually what the debate is, right? Is human DNA written into code in the body? Or is it no pain? Is it heartbeat? Is it, you know, age, right? I mean, some of the most, what's the right word for it? Like definitional atheists of our time believe that you can kill a baby up to

five years old because their definition of human is like contribution to society and brain development, right? So like, yeah. So it all goes back to your presuppositions. definition of human is like contribution to society and brain development right so like yeah so so it all goes back to your presuppositions what is your definition that like motivates yourself and i would say most americans uh today don't understand that the absurdist movement the existentialist movement which is like french and german philosophy defines the way they think about everything like about individuality and experience is the most important thing and you read those people like uh like derrida, Paul Sartre,

like you look at all these different lives, Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, their lives are awful. Like these people are terrible people and you, but you read the writings and it's like, that's how people talk to me. Like specifically Freudian logic is so per, per like everywhere, like I would say promiscuous, which you would actually use that word in a positive way. So it's everywhere in society that we make these definitions of identity and meaning around Freud.

It was basically your relationship with your parents and sex, right? But if you go back to someone in the 1920s, that's not the way I thought about the world at all. They thought the world revolved around duty, religion, society, like how to serve your family and how to lead your family so if you take someone from the 1920s and like put them today or take you know a freaking high school killer kid now put them in the 1920s they would have no idea what's even going on they don't even understand what you're saying to them from like a meaning and metaphysical perspective because as you said the point earlier that

everyone has a religion, absolutely. Like the meaning that we need in this world has to come from something greater than ourselves. And for those that choose to make meaning devoted to only the material, you end up with really bad things. And I don't understand the sort of new atheists that kind of like fell away because new atheists like that would be,

you know dawkins for example they opened the door for wokeism because they thought oh this would be clever and funny to like eliminate judeo-christian values right and then they saw the monster that came from it which is marxism right because guess what uh 100 years ago we already learned that lesson right when you remove the judeo-traditional value framework which is like uh immaculate day every person's an image bearer of god everyone deserves equal justice uh that there are there are duties and social norms that transcend the individual these are all judeo-christian norms right when you remove that because it's all fun and dandy and like oh like you know i can't prove

this can't prove that like you actually end up due to the devolution destruction of society and like freedom goes away but this is exactly what marx wrote what engels wrote what nietzsche wrote like these are all things that we already know and then now people are surprised like wokeism appears but it's like but for when i was growing up in high school that was the mantra he was dumb to be christian he was stupid to be christian right right and then i then i had interaction with christ and i like felt this immediate amazing relief of grace. The fact that I didn't have to earn my salvation. I didn't have to earn love.

And guess what? I'm a much more happier person. And it also works. That's what I never understood about New Atheism. It's like it doesn't work. It doesn't create human flourishing. It's proven in the Pew studies. Religious people are far more happier.

They live longer. They have more kids. They are more wealthy. They are more successful. They have, drug addictions to whatever. And then new atheism comes is like, oh, I'm going to create a problem of evil and try to like, oh, but then you ask them, well, what's your answer to the problem of evil? I don't have an answer. Oh, okay. Because you just, you're just like a little child that just like poke, poke, poke and criticize people and don't have any meaningful philosophy behind you. You're just, you, you just want to

critique and to criticize. You have nothing behind what you actually believe. Yeah. I mean, you just described me until you just described me until I was 39. I mean, I had some pretty profound, I had some pretty profound experiences at a, at a younger age, in my twenties that made me realize that the unknown exists. You know, I never was willing to to this day. I'm not willing to define it, but I definitely cultivated enough awareness to become aware of the unknown.

And it feels good, though. Oh, it's the greatest thing that ever happened to me. And I can understand people like you because of it. Someone came on the show the other day, Aaron, and I'm i'm like god i really just don't even i don't even understand what morals are and and i just don't get what i just don't like because i don't have anything in me i don't and he said well what about objective moralism i'm like that sounds crazy what's objective moralism and he goes well um uh would you want anyone to hurt you and i said no and he goes is that why you don't hurt other people?

I said, exactly. He goes, those are your fucking morals. Today I pulled up at the gas station. Let me float my boat for a second. I pulled up at the gas station. There's a guy in the pump in front of me and he thinks I'm going to hit him. And he's probably like 80, 85.

And he's leaned up against his car and he starts screaming at me, fucking screaming. So I'm, and so I get out of my minivan and i go what's up pops and he goes and he goes you were gonna hit me and i go i'm so sorry i was going one mile an hour by the way i was trying going back and forth to try to get closer to the pump because i'd make a weird angle at it and i go i'm sorry pops i go that was totally my bad i'm so sorry and i'm hearing these words come out of my mouth and i'm like wow i can't even believe it's me. I'm like, wow, so on. You really are a nice guy. And then he goes. And so then I said, sorry to me,

because I'm not good at hearing. So I walk closer to him and I talk louder and I can tell now he's got something wrong with him because he's leaning against his car. And I go, hey, I'm sorry. It was my fault. I'm sorry. I'm totally sorry. You good? And he's like, yeah, I i go um hey i'm sorry it was my fault i'm sorry i'm totally sorry you good and he's like yeah i'm sorry i'll be more careful and so i walk back to my pump and he starts yelling that he can't figure out how to work the pump so i go over to him and i said sir and he goes yeah what and i go i'm gonna go inside and i'm gonna get a lady and she's gonna come out here and she's gonna fix all this for you and he goes you will and i go yeah and i go inside and get her and the whole thing works out right and he says thank you and i can tell he's probably embarrassed for yelling at

me but i guess those are that's just the i guess that's what my morals are but but i but i don't know where i i don't know where i got them well there there's a um so so something that like defines as one of those but it did feel good like good. Like you said, I felt great. I drove away, and I'm like, I'm the shit. I'm spreading good in the world. I'm spreading good. Yeah, I mean like atheists would be like, oh, you just did that to feel good. I'm like, well, don't you want to feel good if you do something good? I don't even understand that critique.

I used to hear that all the time that like, so you want me to be reinforced by bad things? I don't understand what this critique is. There's no end, right? And so the real question then is like tabula rasa right so what is the the written code within humans right so tabula rasa people which generally are biased towards more leftists that's like uh like soren kirkegaard right so that like they're or um uh what's his name john uh correct uh he uh i'll remember his name in a second but he wrote a very famous libertarian book.

A lot of the English Latin people were also tabloid, were also folks. So they're saying that there's a blank slate, a Latin for a blank slate. So as in when you're born, that you have nothing there, and it's only conditional social structure training, right? And so the Judeo-Christian view is not that. The Judeo-Christian view is that you were born good and evil are inside of you as in in the garden like you you the intended of your life was good but you're born into sin because of what happened to adam and eve uh and so morality is built into your programming right and so leftist orientation in our in our political culture believes in toddler russia and you can see that in the way that they recommend solutions right they recommend top-down solutions because

they see that badness in our in our country is motivated by systems like groups of people right not by individuals right versus like the geochristian view more conservative and sometimes libertarian view is that it's the individual and so that's why you have to work on yourself don't worry about other people right uh and this is what the conflict is right uh and i i say that in my when i think about like american and political philosophy it it's a combination of like roman french and english like all of them kind of mixed together right and that's what created our constitution and the bill of rights you have a lot of french in it which is like tj my favorite founding father madison right who are very heavily french inspired who

follow the tabula rasa framework systems are what makes bad people right then you have the english side which is generally the federalist group well who believe that actually self-restraint is the only way to freedom and that by the way the person that was pushing that was john adams who was an atheist right very wrote several times he was an atheist right but like he but he believed fundamentally that until you had you needed to enforce good religion in the country to be free uh and so he did as an atheist that's where i'm at now and that's what happened to me in my 20s you nailed it perfectly i realized holy shit i'm not doing top down anymore i'm bottom up i'm i'm i'm working on Like John, John wrote to, to his wife several times, uh, citing the fact of like,

he goes to church, not because, you know, he believed in it, but because like it makes good people and it's what our country needs. Right. Uh, and, and Thomas Jefferson carried around a Bible, right. Like when he was president. So, president so and he is a very you know publicly uh like accepted atheist uh or agnostic or ds everyone i mean deism is fundamentally kind of a gull that kind of the same thing right if god existing doesn't interact in our world like i don't know what the difference is between these these beliefs right so so the set up a watchmaker leave the agnostic exists or doesn't get involved like that's practically all atheism it's the same thing so the but but there is a clear orientation I think, in the way they create our society

was that even though TJ, he did not, you know, believe in Christianity, he didn't believe in the deity of Christ. He like made his own version of the Bible. Why did he do that? It's because, not because he hated the Bible. It's because he respected so much of the teachings of Judeo-Christian thought that he wanted to create a version that was more accurate in his view it was not out of disrespect it was actually for respect he's i mean he's wrong in in terms of his orientation but like you have to kind of like uh you have to like uh understand that his or his

motivation was trying to get the truest version of christian teachings right And, and so that was coming from an atheist. Right. Uh, and, and same with like George Washington. I mean, we still, uh,

inaugurate the president on George Washington's Bible. Right. Uh, George Washington had like a mediocre faith at that. Like, you know, sort of a, an average angle can maybe,

uh, so. Hey, it's actually George's, it's actually George's Bible that the dudes put their hands on. It's, it's, it's either Lincoln or Washington. I forgot which one, but someone's Bible. It's actually George's Bible that the dudes put their hands on? It's either Lincoln or Washington's.

I forgot which one. But someone's cool's Bible. It's actually – you get to touch it. Wow. Yes. And so the – Aaron is the opposite of Lex Friedman. You can't listen to Lex Friedman. I agree.

He is the opposite. I don't listen to Lex. He's just very – he speaks very he speaks um he's on fentanyl and you're on meth two two totally so uh but yeah like the i think you're right in terms of as you got older that you saw that there there is something inside of us that needs to be trained that is oriented towards morality and you don't exist in a vacuum to where, oh, I'm the smartest person in the world. I'm going to be the atheist. It's actually like freedom resides in humbling yourself and realizing you can't know everything.

I mean literally can't. I mean 90-plus percentage of the universe is unmeasurable. There's no way to know anything about it. It's completely unmeasurable. It doesn't exist within our ability of science. Greg just told me what you're saying today he goes can you imagine walking around thinking you're the smartest fucking person alive and telling people to take injections and wear masks and to put down this whole like the fucking arrogance of just

so many fucking people yeah exactly what you were saying exactly crazy but yeah there there's there is something freeing and being humble and in terms of accepting that I'm not the smartest person in the world. I'm not the strongest on this. And it's kind of also like my attitude towards CrossFit is that like, I knew I was never going to go to the game. Right. And it's just kind of motivation that people, and you know, them like that, like they there every day. And, but you just know, like, like, you know, I know athletes and you're like, there's no way you're going, but you'd see obsess and they like and they like you know melt from their face when they off by 30 seconds or whatever and like yeah because it's fun like yeah it's something that meet people who are of

other someone personalities be and values of me uh but like anything that puts in that place that hole that does not in my view belong to god is then what creates these bad pathologies in our culture uh because because it's not like so sin and and the bible is uh most often for just hata uh and and so hata doesn't mean like the like happy i think people understand sin is like oh it's bad that's not what actually that word means What it means is to miss the mark, right? So if you think about like the theology in Christian life, and this is how it applies to our world, you're going to see in a second, is that it's about where it's pointing. It's not about the desire itself inside. It's not about like the fact you want to pull the bow and shoot it. It's that you're pointing at the wrong place. And the same with the crossfit. It's like crossfit,

in my worldview, is very healthy. I do it because I like the people. It wrong place. And the same with CrossFit. It's like CrossFit in my worldview is very healthy. I do it because I like the people. It's fun. I get to like hang out with people like you and Greg, right? But the people that like, you know, we're never gonna make it to the games. It's like self-destructive. It's so weighs on their soul

rather than just me going to them like, hey, you're not gonna make it. And guess what? That's okay, right? And the world will continue, right? And same with masks. It's not like like i don't think it's never okay to wear a mask like i understand the studies around hospital settings looks really valid you should probably do that right but to then make it a carte blanche because you fear wisdom and judgment and humanity right to have any of those you need to see people as humans right uh you get to these absolute idolistic rules and these insane statements around 99 effective vaccine like

and i remember when that came out i was like that's total bs no vaccines ever worked that way no no vaccines ever worked that way you're telling me some something that they synchronize via a computer like sequence via computer that you try a new platform mrna which by the way has been around for a number of decades was never approved for anything because of how dangerous it was right right and then all of a sudden boom it works like like come on like i'm not stupid right right but you you have this like when you put that thing there and you don't have something to check yourself which is like humbling yourself before god another creator someone else you're accountable yourself to you get to these weird really idolistic behaviors because it's not like again that i'm opposed to vaccines i'm opposed to mass i'm i'm opposed to you saying people that if you don't wear a mask you're gonna

kill somebody right or if you don't get vaccine you're gonna kill somebody right yeah that's the insane thing especially when there's no data to prove it and you see that there's no data, and yet if you say it, you can still get people to believe it. At that point, there's become something like overtly malicious. I mean, there was this study that came – oh, actually, I want to – can we play – I have to pee. Can we play something for 55 seconds while I run to the bathroom? Yeah, we got the affiliate commercial. We always got that in the queue. Here we go.

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Well, you can just take your phone in with you and listen. Well, Aaron, this, I don't, to go back a little bit, you know, there was this boat, cruise ship off the coast of Japan and they quarantined all the people in there. And that was kind of the beginning. And I, one of my coworkers, Brian Mulvaney is like, Hey dude, you got to follow this story. Cause prior to that, I was obsessing on the story with the guy who was killed in the um saudi arabia embassy do you remember that reporter that was killed in turkey yeah i was obsessing on

that story yeah he's like hey dude i got a new story for you you got to obsess on uh and you remember they chopped that guy up right they ended up having the audio recording that shit was crazy yep and so so i started obsessing on it and i remember seeing the data come out really early from china and the data was this uh the vast majority of deaths i forget what the percentage were were men who are 65 years old who had been smoking for 30 years or more and then the second largest demographic of deaths were the wives who were living with those men. And I remember at that point thinking, okay, that means that, uh, that means that it's, it's, it's not even a, it's not even a cause to be old. It's just a,

it's a correlate. And I don't even know if it's a strong correlate. And I had some doctors on who would say, yeah, being old is one of the vulnerable groups. And I said, no, I think that's a, I think that's misspeak. And they said, why? I said, one, there's no studies that just break people out by age. And by the time you're 70, you've had 50 years to do bad shit. So you could be drinking Coke for 50 years. And so if I can't isolate those variables, and I'm not suggesting that your immune system doesn't wane as you get older but but no one's like you're still scaring old people by saying old people are vulnerable it's only old people who are vulnerable in my opinion who've been doing dumb lifestyle choices for 30 years now you're vulnerable you just had longer to fuck up and that's and that's how i knew that's when i was like okay i, I'm not doing shit. Yeah. So two things. One is that the original report written by our dispatch to the WHO, Maria Van Cove, she wrote the first report, which was in January, I believe, early February, of being on the ground in Wuhan.

Which, by the way, she only had two days there because the CCP in wuhan uh which by the way she only had like two days there because the ccp monitored the rest of time she's been shanghai so uh a lot of the report proved out to be accurate she's like there was no evidence real transmission through public business settings it was kind of meaningless transmission schools were like children were almost no impacted and she basically identified all these like coronaviruses stuff that was going on of being obese as an example and and so that early report showed that like all of these impacts that they were doing lockdowns and at the beginning of the pandemic where the WHO was against masks right because they saw it wasn't working in in China um and also just the way the aerosol

particles like work it just doesn't make sense it's way smaller than the actual mask, uh, like the filtering mechanism in it. Like the, uh, uh, so, so in that original report, if you would have followed that, that would have basically been the most probably the white skies. And that's where we are today. That like, if you have these pathologies, if you have these comorbidities, watch out, everybody else kind of do what you want. Right. And if you get sick, stay home. Right. And I was really early on also believing that asymptomatic spread was minimal to non-existent uh and and that actually

bore out in the data that the transmission rates were far far far lower because in that initial report it also showed that as well uh the second piece of data as you can look at is in europe they actually have done studies to normalize uh behaviors you would see in life, like over the age groups. And so when they actually remove like obesity as an example, the mortality rate was so magnifying different than someone who's like 75 and fat versus 75, that like it almost was like a non-issue. Yes, it gradually increased with age if you removed obesity, but it was such a magnitude difference that it's like, doesn't matter, right? You're talking about a 3% increase in mortality from somebody who's 20 and not fat and not fat versus like fat to fat, right? Like if you're fat, it's like deadly, right?

And so that's why I thought the whole recommendations that they were pushing out, right? Closing CrossFit gyms to, you know, staying at home, watching Netflix. Like it was just all insane. It was, it was, it uh and and the people actually doing the work we just forgot about like these essential workers were like who cares about them let me stay in my house and feed me right like that like that cartoon movie right where they're driving on the little floating things and just stuffing food oh yeah a wally wally yeah yeah yeah i like it and and i i thought like the whole lockdown thing was like a classist attack on average working people.

And it's really sad because I think that is the predominant political battle we're facing is classism. We have a bunch of people who are very powerful, not necessarily rich, just a bunch of people who are really powerful, who go hang out in Davos, right? Davos crew. And they think that they should control everything. Most of the time, they are jealous of people who are very successful, who actually did something in this life. double screw and they think that they should control everything they they you know most of the time they are jealous of people who are very successful who actually did something in this life and so they create these little entities excess elites is another way of phrasing it who give them meaning and purpose right and so they think that they deserve to control everything uh and

and kind of like rule over these victims so they can be like you know aoc right is a great example is overly educated i don't know why she always talks about that she grew rich. Like, you know, AOC, right, is a great example. It's overly educated. I don't know why she always talks about that. She grew up in some, like, you know, an inner city thing, right? She grew up in a very sort of successful, like, upper middle class, you know, family. And then, you know, she's a bartender because she's part of the excess elite. You're highly educated. And then she goes to government and, like, talks both sides of her mouth, right?

Oh, like like we want to defeat against these you know davos crew but then you know she makes herself rich right and this is the grip right like this is the grift we're living through as societies we somehow expect this guy who by the way is like such a every evil movie is like this guy right yeah how is this guy real how is this guy real it's it's insane it's a no i don't feel like i feel you know try to be uh empathetic like i feel bad that he's the source of all these like memes and stuff at the same time it's like these people have never really been punched at by the media so twitter has to punch at them right like because the media doesn't make fun of them as they as they should uh and

you know they go here and they talk you watch what what they talk about. And it's like, it's so crazy. Like their ideas. Crazy. Crazy. Like they've never lived in the real world. They've never built a business. They never deal with anyone that's different from them that had, didn't go to Harvard. It didn't go to Yale or whatever. Like they just live in this fantasy land.

And they think that they should control people like me who didn't go to Ivy league school. People like me, the company, they should just control everything. Right. And they think it's like their birthright because they're smart right uh by the way in a historical like context here communism right the terrible thing that killed hundreds of millions of people uh was pushed by overly educated unemployed people it was not pushed by the plebes. It was not pushed by the random people who are working in farms in Soviet Russia. They had no idea what a sopia was, right?

They literally were poor and just wanted food, right? And it was pushed by these people who were super educated, who did not have a job, but thought, you know what, I know better, right? And I'm gonna rule over these people and create this happiness society, this like happiness society. Right. Academic class, man. The same people who. Yeah. So how about when how about when some of the stars were saying, like, I don't remember who, but the famous people,

someone will say in the comments was saying that anyone who doesn't, you know, get the injection should be put in jail. Like we were getting really close to people get the injection should be put in jail like we were getting really close to people saying that we should be killed like we were it it escalated that shit escalated quick yeah like look at you know the former prime minister of new zealand uh uh what's her name um arden right so she would say things like oh yeah if you don't want to get tested she smiles really big she was like right so that you don't want to get tested, she would smile really big. She was like, right. She's like, you don't want to get tested. You can just stay there for another two months. Isn't that great?

And you're like, crap. Like we went from zero to 100, right? Yeah, it was. I knew it was like Sean Penn and Tom Hanks. They were saying just like, is this fucking real? These guys really said this shit? It came out of their mouth? No.

And you know what? See, those people are still around did not apologize no me a couple yeah there's no forgiveness you did you did not apologize right you did not say oh my gosh i was wrong they're gonna do it again right that pathology that programming is there right they have programmed that self into their brain they program that self-righteousness they have it will escalate again like these cultural patterns exist when there's nothing to check them right there's no there's no god in their life their god is their own power their own wealth and their own thing that they've created in their own life and and they're going to use that power against us

uh and this is this is why it's it's it's so important for us to like as americans if you want to be free it doesn't even matter about politics look at tulsa gabbard like she saw like what her party was turning to she left left. Right. From a policy perspective, like we're probably not very aligned. Right. But but when she was on that stage and she was debating her crazy leftist party and she was being accused of being a treasonous person by Hillary Clinton, who sold out the country so many times because of the email scandal, the Clinton Foundation. Right. And the uranium and yeah and she and she's like who are you right and then she realized holy crap my party is crazy right and i'm gonna leave this thing right i it this is the this is the actual political battle it's not like r versus d it's not any of these other things the beauty wants to tell you it's like there are these

groups of people who believe that they on both sides of the party the union party who believes that they should control and they, they should enrich themselves off of the American people and the world. And I don't believe that I believe being ruled by the common man. I believe in the, the basically like the, everything from like the Jacksonian revolution to the JFK election, like Reagan election, these were representations, right? Every one of these elections, this is not, Trump was not the first populist thing to happen in our country. If you

believe that, you are not very smart and you should just get off Twitter and actually do your research, right? The Jackson election was considered the first ever populist election. He lost the first time with the great compromise. There was congressional compromise because there was fraud in different states and they went to congress basically has the authority to then pick the president jackson won the most votes but not enough electoral votes and he lost there there was a big riot that went to dc and jackson told him not go and so then he won the second time right but the whole representation of that was to say jackson really literally ran on this platform that people in virginia and new york should not run our country right like and the same thing with the jfk Same thing with JFK. Same thing with the Reagan election. Same thing

with the Teddy Roosevelt election. Jimmy Carter. There's a check in our country that says that the elites that exist in the establishment should not be the people in charge and that the average person should control their own destiny in America. That money we're sending to Ukraine

is not U.S. government money. It's your money. It is your money that they're taking or taking away from your children. And we don't think of it that way, but we need to understand it that way because that's why it's so important that we're spending more money on Ukraine than our own borders and then in some branches of the military, more than the Marines. We're sending money over there, right, in weapons and all this stuff. And we just sort of kind of shrug and being like, oh, like, it's about democracy. Both of them are dictators. Like, oh, my gosh, like, do we really need to go through this? Like, both of them have banned religions, have banned free speech in any of the countries like i i don't want them to be invaded i'm sorry it happened i mean it's definitely bad but the history of the world is what like to quote kamala big countries invade smaller countries like that's just what happens right we didn't say anything when saudi arabia invaded yemen we're just kind of like oh good job

like it's like and that was a massive humanitarian crisis and we just sort of ignored it right so powerful what you're saying too i love the way you contextualize and make it relative the the um you contextualize make it relative by like hey this is more money than we spend on the fucking marines like you're not joking like and and whose money is this like it's your money and your kids money it's it's not it's not the government's money that's the problem that a lot of people have too they keep saying the government government, and it's us. It's people. It's kind of a way to word fuckery to displace personal responsibility. in our government is to create checks, right?

Why House Representative, I'd like to have it for two years. Why the state is actually supposed to elect a senator, like not the people in the state, the state legislators themselves. These are all in the original constitution. These are all designed to create checks. So you don't, so you prevent one thing from overpowering the other. And so I believe in,

I know you and I are texting about my 2023 predictions. So like one was i said that biden was going to resign because of the scandal that's kind of crazy what's going on right now second one was like a democracy be overthrown by coup attempt that was peru so one of the other ones i i believe is that the intel state that is attacking biden right now that attacked trump very i mean obviously where he was everywhere in in the trump administration, was that that would actually lead to a congressional investigation of intel, to restraining legislation, etc. Because it's so clearly going on now within the sense of like, what was what was shown in the Russian collusion hoax, all the hoaxes that

happened in justice and FBI, that now that's being used against the Biden administration, very unjustly. I'm opposed to the intel state, an unelected group of people to determine who runs our country. Biden won, he is the president, right? You may not like that, you have four years or whatever, and you can teach them to change that outcome. But we do not give power to unelected people to determine who leads our country, right? That is carte blanche, regardless of whatever party exists in the office. And you're seeing that going on. Like this isn't just like, oh, they happen to find this stuff. Everyone in DC knows about these things, right? Everyone talks about it. What becomes public are things that people want to create power or leverage over somebody else

it's it's all intentional it's all strategic right it's not just like some random stuff is going on however to give you comfort having worked in politics a lot politics is like show beep if you're familiar with that so that's like what it's like what beep have you ever seen that show oh yeah maybe like little snippets here and there yeah it's uh so sorry really quick one comment uh steve floors uh did this guy help write some simpsons episodes is he from the future yes that is you figure yes that's yes i appreciate that's very kind uh so i haven't seen every episode of the simpsons you have yeah of course i grew up in the simpsons yeah wow that's awesome also and and south park too so uh yeah i'm a i'm a bible believing devout christian who loves south park right so uh

yes i love that show so much um but the you were saying to give us comfort you were saying something like give it but to give you some comfort yeah so the uh politics is not like house of cards right it's not this like grand mastery prying right it's mostly hamlin's razor don't ever assume uh malicious intent which stupidity can be a sufficient explanation hamlin's razor so most yeah so most things that happen in politics are basically because the people are kind of like low grade not that intelligent and they kind of like stumble into things right uh it and so indeed that's the show's about is it's a lot of people who think they're super important and very smart.

And then you see the decisions they make, you're like, Holy crap. Like, that's like not a, uh, yeah. So,

uh, the, the, the, uh, uh, jargon. So,

uh, so you should assume a level of just like general ignorance about stuff. So it's not like some sentient organization, Illuminati shit. It's just like, hey, you get a bunch of fucking idiots and they all have the same ideology and the crowd is going to eventually end up at this guy's house and burn it down. It's it's it's it's. Yeah, wow. And that's – God, that's such a nicer way to think of it, kind of, kind of. Yeah, it's terrifying that they leave in the interest of nuclear codes and stuff like that in our monetary policy.

But this is why the founding fathers put so much checks in the system was that they understood this was humanity, that humans will naturally use power to achieve you know their own gain and their own wealth creation regardless of their own values and morals it's just something happens in people's brains when when when power comes out uh and and so like the um uh a lot of these things that like i write out like i mean it's just kind of fun stuff that like i was i think through um but like for example like china being powerhouse we talked early like i think she uh president she was actually now dictator for life uh is in a very weak position what do you mean he's now a dictator for life that he was like elected to that uh so yeah so the way that like the committee works there is that is director she that's gg ping that's yeah gg ping yeah okay so so the way that their central committee works is essentially that is like rotating thing uh and if you watch uh there's a bunch of spoof

comedies about like one is the death of stalin they show how stupid communism is with this like collective rule thing but either way like essentially there's a position that can be granted to certain people who are president or they can be president forever uh as mal was uh and so he now has that in the second only to mal mal is the only other person to have that and so he got rid of in a public uh show of force who jintao who was the last um guy who put them in power who was actually kind of like a moderate um and so he got rid of on public tv almost like a semi-execution like that you didn't really shoot up, but it was like a political execution. It was staged and all this stuff.

So you don't do that. The idea about power, you're strong when you can transition. When you can't transition, you're not strong. So there is some sector within the CCP that is opposed to Xi, and Xi knows that. And so he's basically trying to weed them out in right, in time before he actually ends up, you know, dying in a plane crash, right? And so, like, I don't believe China, China is our main existential threat to our country. But, like, they have so many internalized issues. Like, for example, this is the first year that their population has declined, right?

And so that as an existential threat to a society is is death right it's absolute death and you can see what happened to what's happening in japan you can just see what happens right and the confounding factor right and this is what a lot of americans don't know is that most of the wealth in china is locked up in real estate like if you look at the data on third home purchases right so like if someone uh sorry, if someone's buying a house, right? A third of the people buying that house already have two other houses. So-

Where, in China or worldwide? In China. Oh, yeah. In China. Because housing is viewed as an asset that you can appreciate and that's how they view

their savings. 30% of the homes being bought are someone's third home. Yeah. And then the other third, second, the other third first, right? Wow.

So that is it. Yes, right? What is that in the United States? Do you know what that is in the United States? Oh, I mean, I have no idea. I mean,

it's probably going to be a fraction of 10%, like I would guess 10% or lower. And we went through a major, right, 2008 was a major crisis. So the appreciation of a lot of China's wealth

is locked up into assets that china the chinese government actually doesn't have exposure to right and uh and the secondary effect within that the way in which debt is recognized in china is very different in here essentially like uh chinese government is highly federalized so like like in america so the governor that rules over you know know, Shanghai is really autonomous. Like, you know, he has his own basically like, like National Guard to like reporting agencies and stuff like that. So the way that would debt works, right? Because no one owns land in China. So you, you, they have all these state entities, right? That like lease out land as an example,

that run state backed enterprises, all of that debt is hidden from the public reporting right so the debt that you see and which is high for china is basically nationalized debt but there's all this debt that like is it locally that we don't even know about that it's like i believe going to explode uh and so yeah it's all hidden like off the books because it's in these like state run enterprises there's like a company that this local government created to do leases right land leases uh and then they lean against that right because it's income coming in a bank comes in the chinese bank whatever it takes loans against that right and so it's all this like interconnected stuff that if like one shoe drops not only will the consumer in china like you know be liquidated because a lot of his wealth is tied up in real estate

but then the state governments right uh and it's just like train train wreck's gonna happen uh so like i'm not very bullish on on we have to like address how they're asymmetrically attacking us but outside of that like i i think that we will if we choose to win still we will win asymmetrical is like uh bringing fentanyl across our border or shit like that, giving us a TikTok that turns our girls into sluts, shit like that. Yeah, like attacking infrastructure or attacking our way of life, right? Keeps boys at home masturbating instead of going out and getting stuff. Yeah, like that's how China – China has never really fought a war like the CCP. Like the closest thing you can think of is like the Indian War over the border, which a couple thousand troops are involved in.

Like, but our military is like constantly at war. We have 600 forward operating bases, 600. Right. Not just, oh, this is crazy. 600. Yeah. So like there are. And how many different countries and how many countries are there? There's not even how many countries are there? 300, 100. countries and how many countries are there there's not even how many countries are there 300 100 yeah multiple 169 you never thought we have one in djibouti right like we have one like literally please don't please don't speak like that on my show it's a g-rate show uh so like the the uh the and most of those are being operated by special forces and marines and stuff 195 countries in the world that that's two per country three three per country. Yeah. We have multiple all over the world, right? And places you don't even know these bases, like, you know, we're actively at war in like hundreds of places, probably. If you consider any any U.S. troop involved in any operation where there's people shooting each other, even though we're not shooting. Right. Yeah. China doesn't do that.

China does not have a kinetic platform like we do, which is like we have bases all over the world to like launch an airplane and blow up something or a ship right they don't have like that one that we fucking abandoned in afghanistan like jackasses oh yeah you should watch the hbo documentary escape from it's it's it's very compelling um and uh immensely moving um that was our closest i heard that was our closest uh uh air major airstrip to China. I don't know. I don't know what we have in Taiwan. Good point. But either way, we should have had it because of the buffer between Iran and China.

We should have kept Iran, and we should have put a freaking 100-mile radius thing around it. We should have left kabul airport that whole strategic decision was one of the most terrible decisions that cost you know uh 30 i think it was 30 marines lives uh and was an obvious like security failure and you know the fact that our joint chiefs were like it was an amazing success i'm like yeah we literally created afghanistan to be the most powerful military you know groups uh in the world because of how much equipment we left behind. You know, when people say that, I have trouble believing that. Oh, it's true.

I mean, it's not hard. Yes, maintaining the equipment is very expensive. Do not doubt that. But learning to fly a blackout helicopter, I mean, you go to YouTube and you can see that. It's not hard. I just can't believe we would do that. It's like, it sounds beyond stupid. We typically just can't believe we would do that. It's like.

It sounds beyond stupid. We typically destroy it, but the way in which it was done, we didn't have enough time. Right. And they just left it. Right. And and so like, yes, the equipment that they have remaining. And even in the sense of like the HBO documentary, it's just it's just the idea that we worked with a taliban who killed like there's a a colonel i believe it's colonel or major was being interviewed that like killed several people in his unit and that he was in charge of the uh escape from kabul and that he was now working with the taliban like he breaks out in tears being like is this the government is this my government right that makes a deal like this and and the taliban was literally the way they controlled the airport, that Biden administration told them, you know what they're doing? They were running over people in the airport, shooting at them and running them over.

That was their control policy, right? They show that in the movie? Yes, they do. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why it's an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment to our country that we basically did a Vietnam, like a Saigon 2.0. And we just abandoned these people that like fought with us. And like, I want them, I want as many countries as possible to be democracy. If you want to be democracy, that's your business, right? Right.

I don't want to live there. You can do whatever you want. But for the people that like literally fought and died with us to do whatever resemblance of a corrupt government that was there they should have the right to come on to us to our country uh and especially the boys they can they just have to take a circuitous route uh through um the southern border yeah what embarrassment that is right like are you following aaron ladies and gentlemen we're shifting subjects again brace yourself Are you following this petrodollar story? Yeah, the collaboration with Saudi and Russia. Is that a done deal? Did China get out of the petrodollar? I saw yesterday that it's a done deal, that China is no longer going to buy oil from Saudi Arabia with the American dollar. What do you think the implications of that are? What do you think the implications of that are?

Oh, from a foreign policy, like, I mean, it's massive, right? And this could be, like, such a disaster, one of the most disastrous things. We're living through a Jimmy Carter era. I mean, think about shortages, inflation, like, actually, I mean, it's literally Jimmy Carter all over again, right? Massive foreign policy quagmires, right? Like, wars that have no end, that we have no, like, foreign uh what's the right foreign policy like uh weight over like in putin right putin's case so like the so this story it's a little more complex so so i actually have been to the kingdom i love a few americans that have received a tourist visa i was able to go uh that's actually where to where saudi arabia saudi arabia so that's actually where

i got stranded during the lockdowns i was in saudi arabia when lockdowns in america started uh so uh yeah so that was like wild right and i was actually thinking about this is how So that's actually where I got stranded during lockdowns. I was in Saudi Arabia when lockdowns in America started. So yeah, so that was like wild, right? And I was just thinking, this is how, you know, as a faithful Christian, I have idols we all struggle with, one of them is CrossFit. If I can't do CrossFit every day, I feel like I'm a fat loser. So I actually paused staying in Saudi Arabia because the MBS, the king or conference said we're not gonna lock down and i was like oh i can go to crossfit so maybe just stay here this hotel is pretty cheap you know like a month the exchange rate was really high i should just stay here because i can go

to crossfit wait this out right i like it i like it yeah yeah so i did it i ended up coming back on a on a one of the last flights to dc uh and so i came back but they um so like saudi is like an interesting like situation so they they uh in terms of all i know like you talked about the you're investigating the journalist murder so it's are they an ally yes are they an unfortunate ally yes right does it mean that we should not work with them oh we should absolutely work with them because because they're it's sort of like that they you to be real politic about situations. Like they don't share values. They have their own way of doing things and we should respect that. Do they do things that are bad? Of course, because it's a kingdom. It's an autocracy. There's not really any resemblance of freedom. Are they way more rational than anyone else in that region? Absolutely. Right. Especially when they did that deal with Israel. Now that that's on the table, they are part of the alliance, right? And if you go through the history of us winning

wars, as a country, you always make bartering with people who you don't agree with, right? And look at World War II. We did deal with the devil, as Winston Churchill said, to win that war. We would not have won that war without Stalin, right? So, in this this situation they are our

key ally in that region and especially now since they're partnered with israel on they got rid of a lot of uh basically made it more or less a peace deal with israel not the level of egypt which is the most meaningful during jim carter the most meaningful thing he ever did foreign policy is he made a peace deal with between israel and egypt uh not as meaningful as that but very big so uh now that that relationship is normalized, because they realize that the threat in other regions is Iran, because ultimately, Saudi's orientation is stability.

And that should be our orientation as well. Everyone's stable. Everyone's happy. You can run your country wherever you want, but do not interrupt trade routes. Do not interrupt the way oil gets produced. But we still, at the same time, in our country, need the leverage. So the fact that the Biden administration has attacked fracking, has attacked domestic production, is also one of the biggest errors in foreign policy. And they are trying to correct that now because they realize how dumb that was. So we should still be doing that. Do you think they're trying to correct it because they realize how dumb it was or just that they're scared? They're trying to think or worried about the reelection. No, I mean, but that's a check.

I just want good outcomes. I don't care what the motivation is. Oh, OK. OK. Yeah. So back to the dollar thing. I'll land on the dollar thing. So Saudi Arabia has threatened this several times.

So the question is, will they actually do it this time? My guess is probably not because what they want is attention. They want Biden to pay attention to them. Stop paying attention to this Ukraine thing, which they think is nonsense and a waste of time. They want them to pay attention to the region because their region is more important. And from a rational, real politic perspective, they are correct. What happens in that region is far more important to us than what happens in Ukraine. And that's why we should sue for peace in Ukraine as fast as possible.

We should do what for it? We should sue for peace? Yeah, as in pursue it as fast as possible. Oh, okay. Resolve it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Saudi Arabia does not want to run anything on the wand. The wand is unreliable. It's not used almost anywhere,

and it's backed by another dictator they don't trust. Saudi Arabia trusts us. They don't trust China. And the deal is we defend Saudi Arabia. They force everyone to buy their oil with the dollar and we'll whoop anyone's ass that fucks with them. That's the deal, right? And we give them weapons. We do this thing.

So I would say that the actual stress of our relationship should have been over the invasion of Yemen. It should not have been over the fact of the murder of a journalist. What happened in Yemen was terrible. And I don't actually even know the current state of it because I stopped following it because I was following other things. But, like, that was actually more, I think, atrocious, what was going on there. So I'm skeptical because a lot of the presuppositions around the yuan taking over the petro trade assumes things about China that Saudi Arabia fully understands.

That people who assume this is going to happen are very like, China is strong, it can never be defeated. And in my view, I'm more rationalist saying that Saudi Arabia knows all these problems about China, and they're not interested in running anything on that. They're interested in the American dollar because they know the American dollar can correct itself. And so what they're asking for is attention. Okay, I like it. So what they know, for example, is that – Well, let's fucking give it to them. Let's give them some attention. No, no, that's what I'm saying. They want the Ukraine to stop. They want to pay attention to them because they don't trust the Chinese. And Africa is a great example. So China instituted – so communist Russia, this is how you difference the communism.

Communist Russia, the way they influenced people was they invaded you with tanks, and they bombed you, and they parachuted you and took you over. The way China tries to win is through financing, is through these deals for roads and bridges and ports in china right so if you go to africa and actually talk to these people who live and i went to tanzania and i actually talked to the there because you see like all the vehicles and zanzibar as an example have chinese written on the side the airport that sells has chinese written on the side like you know mandarin um and and so i asked the guys like you know so why is this like oh yeah the chinese they like came and they like bribed the government. This is what my tour guide said. And, you know, to build all this stuff or whatever. And I asked him, so how's it gone?

He's like, oh, they didn't even finish it on time. It was really bad quality. So we actually had to finish it ourselves. And that's the experience of most people in Africa. Right. And Saudi Arabia knows that. Right. So the ability of the Chinese to execute is really poor. But the problem is that we don't pay attention because we're wrapped up in wokeism, we're wrapped up in like, you know, stolen elections and this and Trump man, Orange Man bad, Ukraine, right? And so Saudi Arabia is like, hey, pay attention to me, because I'm actually allied with you. And we have really bad stuff going on. And I made this peace deal with Israel that you wanted me to do under trump uh and now you're abandoning me right and so that's the motivation when i was in um kenya there was

there's they have that mombasa nairobi highway and part of it was built by china part by germany and part by japan the part by built by china was fucking a mess and then the part by germany was a little better and then the shit the japanese built was bomb proof yeah yeah it was it was it was like beyond perfect do you think aaron um what do you think's gonna happen to biden you think he's gonna make it to the end of his presidency so i have you know i'll go on a limb and say that's a prediction i i i believe he will resign uh he'll resign yeah i do yeah um i i think it makes like because because the thing so some richard nixon shit you think some richard nixon shit's going on the most populist president in the history of the united states richard nixon did you see that thing tucker

did three days ago on richard nixon yeah yeah i mean like people don't realize that he said the ci he said that's the second time i've heard him say the cia killed fucking kennedy basically yeah he's very motivated to get that out the door isn't it so like like in it's tucker who i've met a number of times like you know he's you've been on that show you've been on tucker a number of times no oh just like as a i don't like going on stuff like that so i just like go on the set and you know going on stuff like that. So I just like go on the set and, you know, okay. And stuff like that. Uh, Tucker,

say this, say this. He is, he is one of the smartest people on TV. He, uh, he's so fun. He's so fun to debate.

He's like, he, he, he lives by that slogan. Um, uh, uh, harder than ideas,

easy on people. That's his, that's his life slogan. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. That's what I live by too life slogan. that's nice. That's nice. That's what I live by too, right?

It's just fun. It's just fun to debate him. Uh, and ultimately what his orientation is, is accountability. And, and this is why, like when governor Abbott went on a show,

props to governor Abbott, he was criticizing governor Abbott about like the way they were hanging the border. Abbott shows up, they have a debate and I have mad respect for Abbott. Cause that's actually what Tucker wants. He wants people to show up to the show, defend their position, and then go on their merry way, right?

And so, like, but he does way more research than I know most people on TV do, and so the fact he said that about the JFK thing, I don't, I grew up in Dallas, like, I still believe in the single shooter thing, and so I'm waiting on the evidence, whatever he has

and whatever he's seen uh and it is weird right there's like we don't want to deny the fact of like what they say is a butterfly effect but the chaos can create a sense of design that's true because our brains are naturally wired to design right so when you look at a building built by a person design human intervention right design is human intent will intent right agency when you look at a building built by a person, design, human intervention, right? Design is human intent, will intent, right? Agency. When you look at nature, still beautiful, you can see not design, right? So in chaos, you can still like find design because our brains are programmed that way. So I want to like check everything in the sense of like whatever he has in terms of

conspiracy theory, you know, that he's, that's been around JFK to say, yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff that happened with that assassination. He just randomly dies by a mobster that somehow knows him, but somehow not. The explanation, the Warren Commission was like, he was just so angry. He was just so, and you're just like,

I don't know, that seems kind of weak. So if he has other things, I want to see it. He is 100% correct, regardless of what that evidence is. We have the right't know. That seems kind of weak, right? So if he has other things, like I want to see it, right? And he is 100% correct, regardless of what that evidence is. We have the right to know. It's been long enough, like, and there's so many open questions.

And also it goes to the, one of my predictions I wrote in there, which was the check on the intel state. Like there's so much push against the intel state, both in the sense of the fraudulent Russian collusion hoax with happening to Biden,

like the stuff around this, that like Americans feel like they want to know right um oh and yeah also yeah the biden thing yeah so like you think the epstein list leaks too my god this is good you're like santa claus by the way i saw someone in here this uh this guy kind of has alex stein energy judy i peace and love but he has no alex stein energy zero who's who's alex stein energy judy i peace and love but he has no alex stein energy zero who's who's alex stein uh he uh he he's been on tucker a few times and he uh he's been on this show a handful of times he's wild i don't want to dog him but he's he is he is he's a comedian he's wild oh okay okay he's wild you have you just have a, you just, you speak very, you're very concise and you speak quickly.

Oh, okay. I'll try to slow down. No, fuck that. I watch everything on 1.25 speed minimum these days. So, yeah, like my thoughts around Biden is that like. I already know the comments. I already know the comments from this YouTube video. Everyone's gonna be like, bring him back. That was fucking amazing.

God, he just realized how stupid you are. It's going to be great. Biden and Epstein. Do you have time for Biden and Epstein? Yeah, sure. The Biden thing in 31st, this was a couple weeks ago, there was going to be a scandal.

I just saw some tea leaves. We have a have the document scandal right now but i what i assumed was that like the democrats like still the majority of people who are in the democratic party want to win they want power uh and they know what we all see like they know that like what we joke about with you know uh alzheimer's joe right all this stuff they know that that what we joke about with, you know, Alzheimer's Joe, right? All this stuff. They know that that's true, right? They're not, they're not really that dumb, right? Well, who knows it's true?

My Democrat friends don't know it's true, dude. They don't know it's fucking true. Well, that's because they're, they're, they don't, they're, they're blue pilled, right? Yes. Like red pilled Democrats, right? They know how the system works. Okay. They're trying to win, right?

It's like, it's like the chief of staff type of people like okay okay so they do know yeah like i mean like you think about every other time that a president in our history had an issue fdr everyone in the chief of staff orbit and fdr knew his problem right same with reagan they knew the problem so you can't assume that there's some like like uh weird exemption because they're religious woke as like fanatics but they don't know i assume that they do right okay so then they have a choice right so they can either roll the dice on a person that looks like he could die at any moment uh you know he's just past his time this is what it is right or you can roll the dice on somebody else right and i think they want to roll the dice on somebody else but the only way to take the damage from this current administration which they know is damage right unemployment to to uh future unemployment should say that's coming

this year uh inflation the economy the ukraine war like all afghanistan put it all on him he's not gonna run again pick someone fresh right and and so i just put in there kamala because she's vice president so she's gonna assume and whenever she assumes the presidency she's naturally going to choose to run i don't know who the nominee is going to be in there is i didn't make prediction of that i just think kamala is going to end up being in the seat uh and then like running right uh because that's the assumption of what it means to be president right as that you're going to take on the party's uh uh nomination process so uh i just think all the tea leaves are there uh and just as the tea leaves there

for like republicans to finally get their act together and like focus on things that actually are the agenda that americans want rather than stuff that they're currently kind of messing around with um so uh and the epstein lease is like hold on before you go to epstein did you ever see that clip of, I think it's Gerald Ford, and he's talking to a classroom full of third grade kids. Someone's like, Mr. President, will there ever be a woman president?

And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He says this to a fucking third grade class. There's going to be a dude who's the president. He's going to die, and then we're going to have a woman president. That's how he tells his fucking class. I think it was Gerald Ford. Yeah. OK, so so so Biden either. Why? Why not just why not just be honest? Why do they have to like like show us pictures of like classified documents?

We don't even know what that means. Like, why don't they just say say like why don't they just say um hey uh the president is senile and uh the senate and congress are going to take executive action and everyone's going to vote him out and sorry mr biden we fucked up and put kamala like why why don't they just like just handle it like adults like because because that's not the it's not the incentive of the system right the system and i actually don't think that this is unique necessarily it's it's something that exists in the founding fathers era but it is definitely exaggerated itself because we've become run by people who don't believe in god and all the founding fathers almost universally believed in some deity power even if that deity power didn't impact them. They believe that everyone,

like the great example is Benjamin Franklin. So you could say probably the most non-Christian lifestyle and deist, atheist, whatever you can think of. And he firmly believed that everyone who lives in this world will live to a count in eternity in heaven or hell. So how do you square that with not having a God? I don't know but guess what people are complicated and you just have to accept it right that george washington

wrote some things that were pro-god he wrote some things that were anti-god right because their theology is exists in the context of their history and their moment they're in right and and i as a christian today don't know that full context right like you know they were christian or whatever the founding fathers, right? Were Christian during the Methodists, a lot of the Methodist revolutions, right? Which happened in the UK, a lot of the Puritan stuff,

a lot of they basically, the idea of like, you could say today it'd be religious fanatics, right? So I don't know how they interacted with their faith. So as we go to like this up to here today,

like you can see back in the founding fathers era, like disgusting things were written about Thomas Jefferson, disgusting things were written about Alexander Hamilton. I mean you could read some of the papers written against Hamilton by Jeffersonian anti-federalist papers, newspapers. All the newspapers are biased. There was no assumption of this objectivity. That is a recent phenomenon. The idea, which goes back to free speech, right? We talked earlier.

God, that makes me feel good too. You're saying a lot of things that give me hope. Yeah, because you have to, C.S. Lewis has this famous phrase called chronological sobriety. Don't exaggerate your own importance in your own generation that also probably exists in another, right?

Right. So we have effects and echoes right that's why i said earlier that like all ideas have parents but parents don't explain all ideas right uh is that you can see the pattern right so so the idea of like objectivity in the news is a very recent thing like the newspaper is back in the in the colonial times we're all biased all associated with political parties all all associated with some elected official, right? The Federalist Papers, right, was propaganda. It literally was printed as news to argue for the Constitution, right?

Written by anonymous people. What does that sound like? Oh, Twitter, right? So like – Wow, wow. Yeah, so all of these things exist in our society. So when it goes to this moment, right, where we're in now, where obviously Biden is not capable of being president, uh, we have other examples in history where people

held on for the, for, for the, the, uh, cling to powers on this possible. The best example is FDR, right? They knew that this was a problem. They knew that he was in decline. They still ran him for office. They still pushed down the field until he passed away. Right. So, and that was like, you know, we look past now and we're like, oh, FDR was like this generous, good person. He was a great president, whatever. I mean, I think he's above average, but like, like, and so we almost like think back and oh, but that was like a righteous God, but this one's a not righteous God. Right, right. Power does that to people. Power messes with your brain, and you do things that outside of power you would not do.

And in that moment, you look back, and you're like, did I really make that decision? And you're like, yeah, because to quote one of the most famous political philosophers, Lord Acton, right? Power corrupts, right? Absolute power corrupts absolutely, right? Power does something to people like humans. And I believe it goes back to Genesis, the fall, which is fundamentally the argument of like man wanting to be God. And that God, the whole idea around the tree was that man could not be God. And then we chose, I want to be God.

And then we couldn't handle it. And we're like, holy crap. God has such a bigger job than I have. I can't deal with this. And they run and hide, right? And then God shows up, which is the story of, which is the arc of the Bible, both Jews and Christians believe this. That when God shows up, finds finds adam and eve he responds with as if they're still people as if they're still human in his creed order and he shows grace to

them right he shows forgiveness like any and but there's still consequences for that sin which is why they get banished but like there there is a there's an obvious like connection between god and human and the human heart with him just that even the sense of we're sinning and we're in the garden but like like that desire for power, right. Exists, whether you're Christian, non-Christian, like it affects everybody in politics. So I think that that is what's going on with this Biden situation is like, they're just holding on. They're trying to get day by day, by day, by day.

Right. They're sort of like on the episode of a survivor and they know at any moment Biden is going to be voted off. Right. And maybe he'll be blindsided. Right. And they don't have an immunity idol anymore right like like they just they're holding on by grit and teeth uh and eventually they think that we can just make it through right and jill's sitting there watching all of this oh yeah jill's very i mean she's a doctor she's very well right i'm a doctor right god can you i just can't believe no one is stepping forward like like if i would hope if i

was in that situation my wife would step forward and be like hey guys i'm taking him off the set he's done yeah you would hope right but but remember these people don't have judeo-christian values so they the idea of duty right and it's very foreign to them uh like george washington who steps down right and he's like two terms is enough right like so he had the nickname this is one of my companies i started named after him uh it had a nickname bavius which is latin for little bean uh after a it was basically after the roman senate and it meant like statement like uh honorable right and so that was his nickname because in the continental congress uh or sorry during the the Constitutional Convention, sorry.

He didn't speak at all, and he sat there. Who's this? Who's this? George Washington. Oh. He didn't speak because he knew that any word that he said would unfairly tip the balance within the debate. And this is – by the way, like the constitutional convention was like the third or fourth version. So like they thought they were gonna have another one

in a couple of years later. So that was kind of some of the effect. Like a third of the delegates didn't even come. Like Rhode Island didn't even show up. They're like, oh, why am I going to this again? Right? So that one just stopped for some reason. So George Washington didn't speak.

He resigns after two terms. That idea within politicians is almost non-existent now. And that's really terrifying because a part of freedom is that moral check, is that individual check. That I don't need a law telling me to do that. I'm just going to do it because it's an honorable thing to do. It's the duty orientation to do. But our political class is obsessed with power at all costs. Look at the guy that won Pennsylvania Senate.

That's not a statement of confidence in him. That's a statement of basically Republicans ran it back in. Oh, that's the bald white guy. Yeah, that obviously has very significant mental challenges post-stroke. Crazy that that dude got fucking elected crazy or or i mean thinking about it even from a perspective of people who don't maybe have any issues like but our congress is run by people who are 30 years past their prime of being a politician right they're right people with no life experience like aoc it's like we can't get just like nancy pelosi like yeah like oh like like your generation should have been like like we have not had a gen x president right uh yeah and so if one of the sanders wins hopefully he does like he would

be the first right but you should have been in power basically under Bush too. If you look at historically trends, right? So the elder class, which owns most of the wealth, controls almost all the power in our country, businesses, et cetera, like ownership of stock, stock exchange, savings accounts, is dominated within this class of people. And they have not given up the reins to Gen X, right? And so Gen X is almost like skipped over, right, as a generation because people focus on millennials, go to social media, and all that nonsense. So the time for Gen X to take control is now. And that's not even my generation. I'm not Gen X. But they rightfully deserve the hand on the wheel because we're making these massive decisions that hurt our country and only enable people who are elderly.

If they don't – Yeah, instability, right? Yeah, it's going to get really, really weird. Hey, and what about Epstein? You think that list is actually going to come out? Yeah, I do. Is it going to be a pointing list? Is it going to be like Bill Gates isn't going to be on it?

Are we going to be like, oh, darn. No, I think the full thing comes out. It's too juicy. It fits so many narratives. So either Bill Clinton or Bill Gates, one of the Bills is going to be on there. Yeah, I think it would be a fully exposed list. Maybe not the full thing, but really juicy names. So maybe a couple pages or something.

So something I used to kind of like analyze. So why isn't it out? Is it still negotiation? She's still trying to get out of jail? So. And why haven't they killed her? That's a good question. So let me think of the phrases.

So our culture has like things that happen in terms of outcomes in politics, like people associate too much the end outcome of like, let's say they focus on how the documents in Biden's got there or who in the FBI is this or that. I look at motions in culture, right? Or another way of phrasing it is narrative, like things that propel the way people think about something or not really the end causal thing. To use a non-current example, it'd be like the Trump phenomenon, right? Did Trump create it or was he at the end result of the wave, right? I believe he's the end result of the wave who wrote it, right? So the list is the same way, that there's so much cultural pressure to, like, within the, you know, the underclass, to people get censored, to, you know, attack on big tech. All this is a reflection of class worker, right? And so the Epstein list is that, is the ultimate critique, like, that exists right now, that's hidden data, that's probably not that long of a list, right? That still has juicy people on it that attacks the class, right? It occupies even people who I don't like. And just so you know, this is just an analysis. It's not something that's there. I want, for example, is Megan and whatever his

face is, right? Yeah. Why is that so popular? Right. It's because it's an anti-class expression, right? Yeah. He's attacking the crown. Why? I actually really liked the crown in many ways, but, but that is a, from someone I don't agree with that.

I don't like, let's talk to someone that I do like. It's all the same reflection of this momentum in our culture to attack class, right? People who have power, people have leads, uh, because we kind of know something's wrong.

We know that like internally, like, as you said about helping that guy at the gas station, something in our guts, like something's wrong here. Davos crew, something's wrong with this Davos crew. And so this list I think will come out. And, you know, this is, again, it was a prediction. It's a bet.

Like I think it will come out and people will be shocked, but it's also a reflection of like, you know, the people that eventually release it, either it be hackers, you know, that there actually are a lot of really good white hackers that are going after the government and people who are abusing their power uh like people forget you know wiki leaks was right you know just assange was right like he whether or not you think he did something wrong or immoral different question what he said was correct like he was he was actually on point right right so it would be that or it'll be somebody who now is in the position of doing it that is

holding it over somebody who then that person is no longer important to them and then they execute the strategy and they release it so um there there's like a but but you know still still say the primary principle is hamlin's razor right so never the biden laptop random stuff will happen by accident that someone finds out what it is and it comes public and so something just gives really random right someone left a biden laptop is so weird someone left you know freaking they know the the tSA do not fly list on an unsecured server that someone could just randomly access. Right. So that's like a state secret that the government doesn't even know how to control or manage properly.

Right. And so when it gets this other stuff, let's not assume that the government is just a bunch of really expert something. It's all strategic. Sometimes it could just be completely random. Like the TSA do not fly list was accessible to the public internet, which is not allowed by the way. Aaron Ginn, thank you.

I would love to have you back so we can talk about Flat Earth and Andrew Tate, two subjects we have not discussed. You are so freaking cool, dude. So as a closing note, there was a guy that worked at NASA, an engineer. Yes. Very smart engineer who argued with me

that the Earth was flat. Yeah. He really believed it. Oh, he does believe it. Yeah, he believed it. Oh, that must have been fun was that fun doing that it was so fun it was so hilarious right so uh and and did he have any shit that kind of stumbled you where he's like oh you're where you're like oh fuck no i mean i i could probably go toe-to-toe

with the grass tyson because i i think that shit was fun so, and he's, he's, he's, uh, uh, anyway, so, but the, but the, the one thing that I would say probably is a concluding thought is that a lot of these like really crazy ideas or even people that like you would not be like,

let's say are sending a message that you morally are like, that's not a good person. Right. And so I think the tape hits that, puts that motif. Like I'm an evangelical Christian. Uh, I believe that the Bible is the word of God. Everything is, of his life. I view it that. But he's saying something that I think broadly around masculinity and manliness and being assertive and courage. Jordan Peterson, basically it's like Jordan Peterson stuff without like the morality around Jordan Peterson.

Jordan Peterson for 13-year-old boys. the year on jordan peterson for 13 year old boys so so so the reason why which is the same thing about the flatter thing is because we have become so oppressive and forcing normandy forcing puritanical like you know uh rules on people the way you think that it draws people to conspiracy theories it draws people to believe in ufos because they're like the world is not this boring the world is not you know freaking a yale 20 year old grad who got a degree in feminist studies who's running censorship at like you know facebook who enforcing all these things that they read by biased historians and biased authors it's really not that boring right and so people are drawn to people like tate uh because it's not because i

don't think they like him it's because it's just different yeah it's free right yeah it's free yeah it's he kind of sets you free a little bit yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure it's something bohemian about it right and right and and that's what i don't want populism to run into into like this like you know overreaction into this like weird idolization of individualism rather it's just like literally people who are on the thumb of censorship that you and i have both on the other side of literally let it go you're not effective you're not winning leave us alone if you don't like me turn it off be a freaking adult don't be a little child having a tantrum tantrum because someone said something else really needed to be oh my gosh it's not even about them it's about some other people that they like take on the identity of right to persecute other people for and and you're like you don't even relate to

these people right and you're like taking on this idea of censorship and i'm just control like it it all goes to uh there's like this battle oh yeah i think uh that's much better count um Um, and I, uh, yeah. A-A-R-O-N-G-I-N-N. Two A's, one R-O-N-G-I-N-N. Uh, or as, uh, Kiki Peel would say, uh, A-A-R-O-N. Hey, um, I gotta have you on again. I hate to, like, uh, put you on the spot and, like, ask you for a kiss. Uh, um, you know, I should probably, like, wait and text the spot like ask you for a kiss uh um you know i should probably like wait and text you like a few days later and play hard to get but shit dude you're fucking awesome

what a great what a great show i got uh look at philip philip kelly i'm taking notes next time i watch this show i know it's so good you have an amazing brain that we can just feed that we can just feed uh questions into. And even if you haven't thought of it before, because you have such a great perspective on life, how to make perfect pancakes by Aaron Ginn or what's going to happen to the petrodollar. It's all fair to ask. I appreciate it. Happy to do that in the future. Awesome.

Yeah, I appreciate the time. I know we went way over, so yeah, it was fun. Okay. Thank you, brother. I will be in touch. One of my favorite guests of all time, Mr. Aaron Ginn. Yep. Thanks. Have a great night, brother. wow i had no so this guy aaron uh uh gin god damn i just screwed i had it all right the whole time this guy aaron gin like the alcohol um about a day ago he he texts me with some just my like ideas for topics or something i can't remember if i asked him or not and one of them said he said was um and i wasn't sure we're going to talk about I was more interested in like his history and growing up and how he became we didn't even get into him. He's he's quite the fat with Tucker. And there's some really big names in the tech industry that I know he knows that we didn't even get to talking about like really big.

And, um, anyway, so, but before he came on, he, he sent me a link to that, uh, Twitter post he made about predictions he's making for the future. And when he sent me that, at that point, I knew. I knew that this was going to be a great show. So, you're starting to say that every guest is your favorite guest. Who else did I say that about? Who else? Tell me. Who else?

Tell me. Well, fuck. Hey, and you know what? I'm okay with it. I used to say to my friends at school i'd be at ucsb i'd be like dude that's the hottest chick on campus right there and they'd be like seven you said that about 10 other chicks in the last month i go i know there's like a hundred of them there's like a hundred yeah philip kelly one of my favorite guests of all time yeah

rich oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah rich is one of my favorite guests all the time that's true dude how could you not think that this guy was awesome uh this is my favorite guests all the time. That's true. Dude, how could you not think that this guy was awesome? This is my favorite of all the episodes I've watched. Yeah, Thomas, it was good. Oh, look at you, young Republican. Look at you with your little tie. Crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy.

That was so fun. I was having fun trying to keep up. Oh, Tommy McGee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do like Tommy. Rich moves the needle. Tommy McGee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do like Tommy. Rich moves the needle. These are all... Yeah, you're right.

Awesome show. Yeah, this was great. I really like him. I've been around him a handful of times and never talked to him because when other people are around, it's like other big names. He's the kind of guy who shows up at a party and it's like him and Rodney Mullen and Jay Bhattacharya. And like and so i kind of just like sit back and let this like let the adults talk you know what i mean and uh it was cool getting them getting them to my uh self

and uh figuring out some stuff i was able to i was able to squeeze in the word labia into the pot into that podcast and the penis cresting the labia. I enjoyed that, saying that. All right. I do not know what's happening tomorrow morning. I do not know what time I'm – tomorrow is a travel day for me, and I'm going to try to do a podcast very early tomorrow morning. Will Witt was going to come on the podcast.

Hey, dude, that guy – I think maybe Rodney would come on oh yeah daniel brandon's one of my favorite for sure um but i'm telling you that guy we just had on aaron gin like that it does i don't think it's going to get much better than that like just because you don't know who we don't like he's not in the in the daily um lexicon like that like that's that's a uh a jordan peterson-esque uh character he's young and uh we just witnessed a uh powerhouse roll through here i'm telling you guys we just had a fucking giant brain roll through the podcast gin yeah gin we just had a giant gin brain uh roll through here it was it was that was, that was cool. All right. Uh, um,

yeah, uh, I don't know if he has an Instagram. It's too, he's too smart for Instagram. I pour gin in my bussy. Oh, Nelly.

Okay guys. Uh, time to pee, time to pack. And, hopefully I'll see you guys tomorrow. I have a feeling I am going to go live tomorrow, but I'm going to start an hour earlier than normal.

So I'll begin up at 5am tomorrow. We'll be going live at 6 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. Talk to you guys all soon. Bruce Wayne, you the man. Thanks for all the thumbnails. I'm loving it. Okay, bye.