The Sevan Podcast - #868 - David Weck | The Weck Method

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

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pieced it together and how do i sound bam we're live oh you sound great you sound great perfect yeah you sound great you know it's weird that question you asked me right before we came on what's better a computer and a phone it's funny a year ago the answer was like always computer but with people's technology and phone and phone cameras and new microphones on cameras it's it's like yesterday i had did a podcast the guy was on phone. It was like one of the best audios I've ever had. I was like, wow. Wow. Yeah. On the phone. And is this, is this going out on video or is it just audio video? We're live now.

Oh, okay. I was in Colorado Springs and I slept on my glasses. So I have a set of prescription sunglasses that you tell me. Yes. Hey, you know, it's funny. I always take out, I buy sunglasses and then immediately take out the lenses and put in prescription lenses. Yeah.

Well, these are prescriptions. Yeah. And now I'm, I'm my, I've got my, uh, your last pair. Use them. If you have to, you don't, you look cool. You look like you're stoned. Oh no, I don't want that. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. Because that used to be the case. Hey, hey, listen, I got longtime listeners already loving on you.

Look at this guy, Jay, this guy, because we're live. He says, how the fuck did you get wet on seven moving up in the world? Well, thanks. Thanks. A a fucking lot great to wake up to that i love it at least one of us feels good from the comment well there's gonna be other ones where you feel better probably um we we crossed paths and i didn't even know it you were uh greg glassman's house last month on a on a friday yes so i was, but I got really sick Friday. So I didn't make it to Friday's event. I was like in my VRBO, like just with the chills. And then I ended up being there. I went to the Saturday event and then I went to the party at his house on Saturday. Were you there on Saturday also? No, I was not there on Saturday. Okay. So I went to the event and then I flew out

after the event. Okay. Are you a, okay, so you're not a Phoenix guy. Where's home for you? San Diego. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. That was quite an event.

I really enjoyed that. Yeah, that was cool. Is that your first time meeting Greg or do you guys go back? No, no. I met him that Friday, the day before. It was fantastic. And I have all the respect in the world for Greg. And I was very honored to be invited. Can you tell me how your guys' paths crossed?

Yeah, it was through Mark Bell. Mark Bell texted and said, listen, you two guys, you two have to, you guys got to meet. Oh, fantastic. Yeah. Great. Okay. Awesome. And I've, and I've met Mark. I've had Mark on the show and,, and, and, um, and I, and I've hung out with Mark a couple of times at Greg's house. Good dude. Yeah. I love Mark. I've become very close with Mark and I met him, uh, probably within the last year, but he's such an exceptional guy. And, uh, when I met him, I was like, oh my gosh, this is perfect because he had an interest in running. And I was like, oh, my gosh, this is perfect because he had an interest in running. And I was like, OK, you're a big dog and I'm going to help you move like a big cat. Oh, that's cool.

And now he does. So it's a great story. And I was born in 1972. Oh. 72 oh and if i would have if you if someone would have asked me how long has the bosu ball been around i would have said uh since before i was born because it's in every gym i've ever been in they're there i don't remember i don't and then and then as i do research on you i see it wasn't you didn't uh invent it until well you didn't start producing it until 1999 which is good yeah 1999 was the invention and i sold handmade prototypes back then so what you see came out in like the end

of 2001 2002 was the factory built one uh and it's funny i was i was born in 1970 okay so we're you know right around that same age yeah you're moving great by the way incredible kudos to you yeah well you know what i was a b plus athlete i played div three football because there is no division four and that gave me the motivation to be like okay i gotta play smart otherwise i'll get beat by bigger faster stronger and so in football it was x's and o's and studying film to gain the advantage and then after football it was X's and O's and studying film to gain the advantage. And then after football, it was biomechanics to gain the advantage. So I am athletic enough to feel what is true and what's worth pursuing and what's not. And I'm not

athletic enough to get paid to do anything athletically, except for teach other people to be more athletic. And the success of the BOSU ball gave me the time to spend all my time studying movement. And, you know, if I want to go learn guitar, the guy better know how to play the guitar. I watched a guy who sat at a PowerPoint and learned, you know, this little scientific study that he's now telling me about. powerpoint and learned you know this little scientific study that he's now telling me about uh allison nyc oh my god this is the guy who invented the bosu ball i know it's crazy right crazy i was thinking about how many people's lives you've affected and inspired and how many days of lives you've added to people's lives you know what i mean by that like the mat like someone buys that thing brings it home or sees it at the gym. And let's say they, let's say they use it for 10

minutes and you added 10 minutes to their life. And then someone else, they got inspired to work out the rest of their life with it. And you added three years to their life and God, it must be just your contribution to, but you probably kept some assholes alive too, but I won't hold that against you um uh it's crazy the contribution it's a very special it's a very special product that um you know there's the developmentally challenged ones who you know you get the call from the mother saying you know oh my gosh you know my son wasn't able to do anything for more than two minutes and you know they were with the bozo ball for you know 30 minutes and the therapist you know so it is definitely a feel-good product in that sense and it's one of those things when i'm at the bank you know and the teller behind the window just get to chatting she's like oh my god i broke my ankle in that surgery and i'm using your bozo i just bought

it from my house and you know my husband started using it yeah so that that's the feel-good part of it it's basically in every you know outside of the the crossfit space it's basically been in every gym that i've ever seen in my entire life right i mean i can't think of like it's a lot it's definitely a lot um you may say knockoffs i'm assuming you've been robbed too, right? There's probably a hundred knockoffs, but there's none of real significance. And it's hard to make a quality BOSU ball without putting some money into it. So it's not exactly the most attractive thing to knock off in that sense. Because if you build a piece of crap, it doesn't perform very well. Nature does not, it does not encourage a large inflatable half a ball, right? It wants to go around. So when you have a good one that has nice pressure, then the force on the platform is very

significant. So if you build a cheap one, odds are it sort of doesn't have any kind of resilience or bounce to it but before we um dig in here i want to show you guys uh what um weck is doing now oh yeah the david weck method um so last night after uh watching this it was 10 30 at night just got off the assault bike i was sweating staring at a big pile of meat I was about to eat. And I and I propped my phone up and I did. I did. I tried to do this without a rope. I spent about five minutes fooling around just just with my hands.

Right. And man, God, it reminds me of just all the hippie shit I used to hang out with and that those guys were really on to something with all those all those things, spinning things that the, they'd be doing outside the dead shows and stuff. Yeah. The performer in arts, right. The point and the fire sticks. Yeah. Okay. So listen up people, listen to this. Here we go. One piece of advice and one only, it would be learn four patterns without jumping through the road. Four patterns without jumping through the rope. Underhand. Figure eights.

Look at the hands. They're connected to the body. What happens there matters. And notice how his hands move. He looks like someone who either knows how to fight or handles guns. Figure eights. Some sort of. He does something with his hands.

That underhand. Side, which is dragon. Side, which is dragon side, which is dragging. Okay. Overhand. See that? Now it's going overhand that direction. Dragging on the other side.

Oh, we've got sneaks. I forgot. No, I didn't. I saved it for last. The sneaks. Yeah, I want to be able to do that. You're going behind the back. getting organized so that when you put the rope you're getting organized we'll ask what he meant by that down you have muscle memory that you can you do anything better

literally anything learning every step stronger god bless god you move good dude god you move good uh what do you mean get organized first of all what sorry sorry i'm getting ahead of myself what is that and um why are there knots in it for shorter people is that what the knots are for yeah on that rope a knot takes out six inches and the better you are with it the shorter you can roll okay so it you know if you're not as good a little bit of length gives you some leeway but since the objective is to not jump through the rope and it was 2004 i was in new york city i met buddy lee at a convention oh great guy the amazing guy we were both teaching and 2004 i watched Buddy with his rope and I was just dazzled.

And I was like, I want to do the rope just like him. And he gave me one of his speed ropes, the one with the metal handles. And I got home in San Diego about 11 p.m. at night and I sort of reflected for a minute. I'm like, all right. I saw all this like all around his body. I'm like, I'm not going to jump through this thing because if I don't jump, I got to rotate and I'm not going to get tired. I'm not going to beat myself up. So 30 days, no, no jumping. And I'm going to get good with the rope.

So that's what set it into motion. And what happens is with that attenuation of if you don't jump through it, there's four patterns that emerge. You can either be going over, you can be going under, you can be doing one is over and one is under at the same time, or you can have one behind your back and one in front of you. And that's all you can do with it in terms of like the basics. And so what I did was I aligned those patterns with the cardinal directions, north, south, east, and west. And I organized my body to have that mathematically precise rotational capacity of everything

integrated in real time, like where and when. And I was about, let's's see i was 34 years old when i started this and in new york city where i lived before san diego i had studied wing chun martial art and and and the you know the tan sao and the ban sao and i learned nothing in this martial arts class i read the book so i had but but how long did you take that class by the way? A couple of years, I think, but I learned nothing. It was just like, it was bad instruction and it was, you know, sort of this, you know, line up, line up. Okay. Chain punch the person's chest. Like what the fuck did we do? You know, it was just so dumb. Um, but as soon as I did the rope, I was like, Oh shit, I can program myself to be like you I'll hit that tons I'll hit that

I'll be wherever I need to be when I need to be there and you get the hook so I turned like I recognized that this would level me up from a martial standpoint better than anything on the planet and jump rope is syncopated. So you got the half beat, like your hands go down, your feet go up, hands go down, feet go up. That's float. That's float like the butterfly. Change your feet. You don't change your center, right? But the roll in the rope, the rope flow, that's on the beat. That is hands down, feet down, everything up together. Boom, boom, boom. And from that, I learned how to double down pulse when I run. And as soon as I learned that, it was like Deion Sanders, Randy Moss, all these guys, they hit down, down, down because it's ground force. And so you're able to use your

upper body to now spike ground force and you move without burden. It's just all power. When when Dion said cheated on stretch, she didn't stretch because he didn't need to use his muscles as hard as most people. And that's all what the rope taught me. It's like it's the Rosetta Stone of training modalities. If you want to be better at anything you learn those four patterns and you make a muscle memory bang you're better at everything uh i want to see if i can find a um a uh little section of dion running here what did you call that again down what oh it's a double both hands or both arms down pulse okay uh here we go let's see if we can see uh if i can find a little clip of dion running here you'll you'll see him with

the football when he when he hits that foot you say boom boom oh yeah there you go you see that so that's not the football he's not doing that to manage the football. That's to get more space. He's doing that because he is holding the football. But when he doesn't have a football, his hands are doing it down like that. And what is that doing? Explain to me what that's doing one more time. What it's doing. Okay.

So when your foot hits the ground, you're doing a landing, loading, launching. Okay. Okay. When the upper quarter that's the mass of your shoulder your arm when that comes down it's in between the landing and the loading it's microseconds and what it does is it spikes the ground force that you hit which engages the fascial that that connective tissue recoil so you bounce off the ground faster is that like someone is that's what someone does to you when you're on a trampoline they're the they're the arms

yeah right they're that they're that little hit before yeah and Usain Bolt does this Christian Coleman does this if you watch fast people and you know what to look for the the body weight of the same side upper body so your right arm when your right foot's hitting the ground some portion of that arm elbow shoulder goes boom it spikes down and that's what gets sends you up and you're saying that this um does this rope technique that we just watched have a name yeah well we the name that it is come turned into is rope flow okay you have jump rope and you have rope flow and what i call it is it i used to call it rolling the rope because like i'm roll i'm rolling figure eights and i'm rolling with it but the the term

that has really captivated an entire community is rope flow, because it does, it ramps you up into flow state so reliably and so easily. Like I would be in a state where I had trained really hard the day before. I'm not in the mood to work out. And because you don't have the burden of jumping through it you go slow and you can just get that beat right put on a song you like you get the beat you get the beat boom three four minutes later you you dialed it up like a dimmer switch you didn't just flick on the lights and have to put on your sunglasses it's like oh and you get yourself all ramped up into it. And there's precious little footage of Sugar Ray Robinson on the internet, but the very, the very little footage that there is, he's doing the rope 90

plus percent of the time. He's not jumping through his rope. Oh, interesting. So it's, I mean, and if you think about it, like jumping rope is a great conditioning, right? And it's good coordination. It's good coordination it's good but there's a lot of people on this planet they should not be jumping rope right you know the the herds of people out there you mean you're 350 pounds and in that in your first activity in five years should not be like starting to jump or run it should not be jumping a rope and what if you have joint injuries or what if you got all that other stuff and it makes the great thing about rope flow is if you get good with rope flow well they're putting the jumps if you want like you suddenly look like a pro with the rope because you you got the hands in the

upper body it looks like magic when you do it sometimes i think did he just jump over it yeah that one move the dragon roll the dragon roll is basically you bring it in front of you, and you just flip it over, and then you bring it behind, and you're flipping it like this. And this is funny. This is back in, like, 2006. A buddy of mine was doing it at San Diego State University, okay? The guys had just lost in the finals this year.

But he's on the basketball court at, at the, at their gym there. Some guy is doing like two ball dunks and three sixties. And he's on the side, just warming up with the dragon roll. And the guy who's doing the dunking stops and like does a double take because it's like,

wait a minute, he ain't jumping through it, but he looked like he's jumping through it. Right. Right. CK. Kevin says nunchucks. Is there a nunchuck component here? Yes.

Well, think about nunchuck. Nunchucks are actually a jump rope with a very short rope and a long handle. Okay. So that's what they are. So it's very, very similar of these patterns of that rotation and movement through these spiraling. The figure eight never stops. So if I have the figure eight, I can always keep that movement going. And then that movement will travel through my whole body. And in the Chinese internal arts, they have three arts. They have Xinyi, which is straight straight that's linear and boom it cuts the circle bagua is the eight changing palms and that circles the circle and then tai chi is the center

of the circle that incorporates that figure eight in a much smaller form that you can't see is there an order that they practice those um, what I find is that most people pick one of those disciplines and specialize in one of them. I studied the Tai Chi much more than the others. I studied the Baguazhan, and I never really studied the Xingyi. What about the stuff today? How about jiu-jitsu? You fool around with jiu-jitsu, taekwondo? I just started my jiu-jitsu journey in July.

Okay. Yeah. Are you enjoying it? Yes, I love it. I'm not flexible, and so being on the ground was never fun for me. And my first jiu-jitsu introduction was like private lessons with Salo Ribeiro through my friend Steve Cotter. I became very good friends with Salo and Shanji.

And I sort of back at that time was like, look, Salo, like I so much appreciate it. But I just, you know, I don't want to really do jujitsu because I didn't want to get on the ground. I'm not flexible. I just didn't want to do it. And then years later, fast forward, my son is 14 years old. He got in trouble. So it was like, okay, we're going to do something here. And so you're doing jujitsu. And I was like, well, if he does it, I better do it. And then I fell in love with it. I fell in love with it. So you live with him. You live at home with your kids. No, I'm that my kids are about six miles away and I see him every day.

You live with him? You live at home with your kids? No, my kids are about six miles away, and I see him every day. Wow, good job. Yeah. Let me look at some of the comments here. He uses those hands to grab titties, maybe, probably. What about, Sevan needs six knots. Yeah, I'm only 5'5". I have three boys.

They're young, 6'6", and 8'. Can I get one of those ropes and tie enough knots in them so that they accommodate them? Yes, absolutely. Okay, wow. Awesome. You see kids doing that? Like it sort of took the it condensed it into a full fledged movement and country like Philippines, Indonesia, Korea, over in Asia. It just took off. And we have people all over the world with a rope flow community now. So if you like hashtag rope flow on Instagram, You'll see a whole world of people. And they're so passionate about it because it is so engaging. And you do get into that flow state. So it's good for your brain, too.

And more and more kids are doing it. And this is something that it's become a thing now. Like it's not going to ever go away. It's like, you know, how jump rope is a thing. Everybody knows it, right? Rope flow is now a thing. And arguably it is suitable for everyone. Right.

Whereas, you know, and I'm not poo-pooing the jump rope. No, no, I don't sense you are either, by the way. Yeah, I mean, I think a rope is it i think that what it was was human humanity started with sticks and stones and then the third major innovation was cordage which tied those things together and gave them leverage so it's sticks stones and ropes i think that that's what got humanity going and then i think it was fire i think it was the dogs of war and then i think it was secrets of plants intermixed within that and those six things is what you know gave us iphones and computers and artificial intelligence and whatever else is coming what are dogs of war that is when you

possess fire now the big bad wolf isn't going to come eat you at night. And the beta wolf who's not, you know, getting the girls now he's willing to say, hey, you know, I'll hang around for scraps and, you know, we'll become best friends. And now if there's other hominins or hominids that also control fire. So all the other beasts are now fearful of you you can stand an elephant down with fire right they're they're programmed to just be afraid of it so now that fire once you whoever gets the dogs first now can rule amongst the hominids and hominids because now the fire the dog is attracted to the fire it's dinner bell. Send the hounds in and go get them Neanderthals and, you know, get the six finger people and go get them. Right.

So, and the dog is, you know, it warns you of danger. If you're up North, the dog pulls you on the sled and you put everything on track. So I I've played that mental game of, of trying to figure out like I was an actor for almost a decade. So you take the set of circumstances, you say, what would I do if I were in those circumstances? And then I just, you know, an imaginary, I just strip everything away. OK, I've got sticks, I've got stones, I got ropes, I got fire. And that big tribe over there is coming

to eat me tonight and kill me, eat my kids and take my women and my stuff. Like, what are you going to do? With three, two, one go. So I've used that mental device to be very creative and it inspires me in terms of my training because I base everything on locomotion and the objective reality that faster is faster. So A to B, faster is faster. So there's no bullshit, right? There's no subjectivity to it. So I know if my training is legit or if it is not. I'm not pretending because faster is faster. Now, the other side of that is that it's not just how long or how fast or how far it is. Can you get there in the face of opposition? Can you stay there in the face of opposition? So there is fight and flight and fight is subjective because fighter A beats B, B beats C, C beats A. All right. styles make fights but you tether those together and you get the martial

principles of survival like face the force and very simple basic things that today's exercise environment we're not motivated to get that base and that and that crystal clear right we're training for something else but it used to be that, no, it's about survival. And the Bible says the meek shall inherit the earth because it is the meek who are motivated to innovate and be conniving and trickery. So if I have a weapon in my left hand and my left hand's behind my back, well, I can feign compliance and stuff and then whack get the bigger guy you know you watch 2001 space odyssey that thigh bone became the weapon that those little australopithecines beat up the bigger ones put a big hole in their skull with the use of a tool that they didn't

even have to fashion they just had to figure out how to use it. What was the context in which it says that in the Bible, the meek shall inherit the earth? I've heard that a shitload of times. And I wonder what the context is. Well, you know, whatever its context is, I bend it to, you know, the narrative that I use to advance my understanding. And I'll give you another one that I use is turn the other cheek. You've heard that one, right? Yeah. So for me, you another one that I use is turn the other cheek. You've heard that one, right? So for me, you know, when I was growing up, turn the other cheek meant that somebody's going to slap you and then you're going to turn the other cheek and let them slap you in the other cheek. Now what I say is this, the punch is coming and I'm going to turn the other cheek.

I'm going to turn that cheek and I'm going to beat your ass. So that's sort of, you know, you can look at it many different ways, but I don't think Jesus was a wimp. I think Jesus knew how to turn the cheek and turn the corner. And, you know, Moses was a badass. Moses. Let me just read this real quick because someone had the same question I did apparently. How is it that the meek shall inherit the earth and it says the meek do not represent those with a particular personality type of reticence nor is this speaking to a weakness in fact the paradoxical power of this passage is that meekness is equated with strength the strength of the lord's work

in the one who comes to god in total trust and complete surrender. So it's meek in it, meek in relationship to God, not meek in relationship to his fellow man. Well, that makes me feel a little better because I kind of don't want the pussies to take over. Not kind. I don't want them to know. But but we are pussies. If you think about like what we are without weapons and tools compared to, you know, a chimpanzee. Right. Sure. i just meant relative to one another yeah but what you want you want you want the good true red-blooded god's honest like you want someone who's smart and good you don't want someone who's dumb and good to to to be leading the way right right dominance or yeah right right yeah you need someone who has the

attributes that you know god willing can shepherd humanity in a good direction unlike who has the fucking conch now okay like that's my my dream my vision crossfit who is a find a bigger population of doers and first responders and people who are just no bullshit, right? And the way that I've heard it been said by Tony Blower is the CrossFit Games is the best thing that happened to CrossFit and the worst thing that happened to CrossFit. Because suddenly it narrowed the spectrum of what you're training for to a competitive event that is mostly sagittal because sagittal is measurable easy right and what i'm thinking is you teach crossfit head over foot you teach crossfit the ropes and suddenly you organize and integrate every single crossfitter who's just one of those never going to quit people and now they have the fluidity and movement skill that's better than mine because they're a better athlete younger they're gonna work harder i mean forget it the sagittal numbers will go up guarantee it yeah now you walk with an authority where it's like physical balance physical

integrity is the one quality that cannot be faked and it cannot be purchased and physical what physical what sorry physical balance physical integrity and there is only one absolute and exercise and that and training and movement and that is balance is better than imbalance and that is absolute and it's that's the only thing that i think you could say is 100 absolute is balance is better than imbalance and people as strong as they are and stuff if you don't even step in balance because you're going faster you're going past your imbalance you don't even sense your imbalance 10 million steps later your lower back doesn't feel as good you see what i'm saying and it's that it's that head over the foot it's that if you could stop it and take a picture and your body could stay in that position, that is balanced.

If you stop it and take a picture and you're going straight, you're not like cutting on an angle. Well, then you're not in balance unless you're in a position that you could sustain. And this is this has been overlooked. And it is so simple. And the integrity, like I have tremendous physical confidence. Like you could put me in a room with NFL guys and I'll feel okay. I'll play with all you guys, right? I'm not afraid physically. You could throw me in jujitsu as a white belt and I'll roll with anybody. I mean, it's a great sport. You just tap and it's done. And it's all from my physical training because I engineered it to be based in 100 percent balance and and integrated everything.

I know where every part of my body is at every instant without thinking, because I know it's there and it reacts that way. So Yonzi, the beautiful Puerto Rican, wants, says, I want to learn this rope flow thing. I know, me too. Where can I find it? Weckmethod.com. We have a free ropes course. Weck Method WS. Oh, really?

Yep, a free ropes course. We give this away. I want everybody to know this i want it to be to the point where you don't even have to learn it because your parents your brothers your sisters everybody you all already know it i i filled the shopping cart up last night if anyone's wondering i'm i'm getting uh the ropes for my kids and i wasn't sure i was just going to go on um youtube and try to just copy people. But it sounds like he has a course that how many videos is the course?

Is it like step by step or step by step? And it's all the patterns and you'll learn it. And the great thing is, too, and I promote it. There's a ton of people teaching rope flow. So go on the Internet and find it on YouTube. Go and buy other people's courses like I. This is something where I always knew, like, it's a piece of rope, right?

My BOSU ball has a patent. You know, it's a proprietary product. I never tried to protect the rope. I just viewed it as- Yeah, I noticed that in another podcast I listened to. You're like, hey, just go to Home Depot and get a rope. Yeah, I mean, listen, here's what it is. The rope is my goodwill gesture to the industry that, look, if everybody on this planet is rolling ropes, I'm going to do just fine, right?

I don't need to make my money on people doing a rope. And it is what we need now in life is we need integrity more than ever because you can't trust anyone. I mean, it's all bullshit. I mean, it just like I get I studied political economy at Williams College. So when I see them and listen to the circumstance of the world right now, what the fuck is going on? It's maddening. I mean, there's no such thing as shame anymore. There's, I mean, just lie, cheat, steal, and it's okay. Let me do it right in front of you. It's bullshit. And exercise, the fitness industry, you don't go into fitness to make a million dollars. You go into fitness because you have a passion for helping yourself and helping others. global industry that when we align as a fitness industry, where you have people who are like, oh, I can make myself fundamentally better doing this little sissy activity that that, you know,

that charlatan wet kid, you know, figured out. Because the BOSU ball, it's a blessing, but I'll tell you, it's also a curse. Because you got, you know, the NSCA, who I'm, you know, CrossFit loves them. They love CrossFit CrossFit right they tell their trainers that you got to brace yourself stiff and like oh you got to be tight and stiff and straight and they look at the BOSU ball and they say oh that thing makes you weaker and it's this whole fucking mind warped like unfair I saw that study on the B bosu ball you know it's funny it wasn't on the bosu ball it was on they did that study on on a different product even yeah that's crazy um i'm a big proponent of not outsourcing my observation skills yes and and so and that's the problem that's the problem with the nsca pretty pretty much most higher education, all education these days, you have to be very careful.

You cannot outsource your observation. I hate to go here, but like COVID, I scoured the internet looking for one healthy person who died. I just wanted one. Just one. And what do I mean by healthy? Clear complexion, not obese,, you know, under 80. That's it. They didn't even have 74 was fine with me. I couldn't find one. I could I scoured the Internet. And so at that point, I trust my own observation skills.

I'm like, I'm good. I'm 52 and I cross it every day. I'm good. Yeah. Or 51. Yeah. What I what I those are my observation skills. I trust them more than all the PhDs at Harvard. Sorry. Well, you have to now. Right. Because as it turns out, we've been betrayed by all this information, information, information. So I can see the BOSU ball works like I don't need anyone to tell me that. And I was with some people who are very close to me who would poo-poo the bosu ball but i never bought it for a second i'm like uh clearly this can be used as a tool to make you to make you a better person i had jim klopp klottman on and i do you know who that is the guy the slack block

guy no i don't know who he is he's he's a big balance guy um he he has a block and you stand on it with one foot and there's foam underneath it and you balance. Sure. And he convinced me in the podcast that, hey, dude, you're only as strong as you are your balance. The limiting factor of swinging a bat or throwing a punch is your balance. And I was like, holy shit, how come I've never heard this before? Yeah, and balance is two things. I'm sorry, go ahead. Balance is two things.

Balance is – one side of balance is the controlling chaos that he's talking about, right? I'm sorry, go ahead. sanders juking people oh i was hoping you'd mention barry sanders yeah there's no you see the what what the exercise guys and you know and in the science they say oh do a pal off press where you you know hold yourself rigid against the force and all you're doing is getting up tight so a human being has reaction time and reaction response the reaction time is what it is but the reaction response is how fast you can send the force to the ground and get your ass moving into gear and doing something productive. And if I am training my nervous system to get up tight, my reaction response goes out the window and they get all these non-contact injuries in sports. Since 2007, when they started doing this stuff,

you get the best athletes in the world falling down dropping like flies and nothing happened the guy's just running he just ran around he got hurt nobody touched him oh he needs a knee operation oh he tore his Achilles tendon it's absurd what's happening and I think you got to look at the training that did that and the other side of balance and this is the side that people don't know and appreciate yet, is integration. It's rhythm. It's timing. It's integration.

And that's what the rope gives you. And it gives you it like nothing else. And it can be done intensely. You just hit one pattern and you put a metronome on and you you know do a a unit of time you want to make it a crossfit thing pick the pattern pick the stance pick the metronome and pick the time go three two one you'll be just as tired if not more so than when you jump the fucking thing yeah i made myself tired in the kitchen last night with no rope but yeah well and what you yes exactly you can do and

you get that integration of those figure eights and it's rotating and it's shifting your weight because if i'm gonna throw a punch it's not controlling chaos or swing a bat better swing a bat it's not control chaos a swing a bat is integrate to shift my weight perfectly and be on time with everything not early not late perfect and there is only one perfect and balance is a hundred percent or a day balance and if there is compensation in the system which there is if it senses imbalance which equals danger well now you got a governor on your performance yeah well now you got a little integrated part of your body that can't integrate and and and and you're not as good an athlete and my my right hand man in my business guy named and programming is the guy named chris chamberlain

okay so chris chamberlain he's eroding weakness on instagram eroding weakness on Instagram, eroding weakness Instagram. This guy, pound for pound, task for task, world-class strength and ability. He came into my lab four years ago. I taught him how to coil his core, which is basically differentiate the rotation to longest, strongest one side, max sprint coil the other. And he went home 15 minutes later and did a 40 pound overhand one arm overhand press pr 40 pound bent press pr he said holy shit this guy knows something he came back in taught him the ropes oh yeah he put up 150 right he went up from 115 to 155 or something like that it's some ridiculous way okay and. This guy can bump kettlebells with the best of them. You know, you want to pick up a 300 pound sandbag and throw it over your shoulder. How many times?

Well, you're not going to do as many as he can. He's that kind of strong. He has this otherworldly strong. And he was he basically had studied a whole bunch of different disciplines athletically physically and basically what he did was when he found weck method that tied everything together so that now whatever he does feeds everything it's not one silo of ability and he's just i mean how old is this guy this guy looks special yeah he's just, I mean, how old is this guy? This guy looks special. Yeah. He's like 34 years old. I mean, he's, he's younger than me. He's stronger than me. He's faster than me.

He's all those things. And then we play a game called push hands, which is based on Tai Chi. And the push hands is basically, you're not allowed to grab and hold like wrestling and you're not striking and it's just upper body. So there's no grabbing the legs or grabbing the head and the neck. And it's just, who's the better man or who's the better person? Move me, right? Who can move who? And when he first came in, since I play the game and the whole game is the meekness because you yield to a force that's greater than your own and you just take it off you. And I used to be able to push him around like he was a child when he first came in.

Then I taught him all the tricks to it. Now he is almost impossible to move. And so what I do, I go back into the well, figure out the new little subtlety tricks. I can beat him again. And then I show him the trick and then he's more impossible to move. Is this it? Well, that's the flowery kind of one that we just play American version where it's just like, all right, do whatever you want. Try to move me. Right. You know, you just you know, it's it's not sumo, but it's who's the best. You know who can stand this ground you push me around move me i want to see that and you played that game within sima mark bell's guy yeah exactly exactly i didn't get to see it but i heard about it and i wanted to see that video somewhere yeah that's um i think

that it's on uh and that might be on my podcast with them i can't remember but it didn't show they didn't show the video but but you guys talked about it. And I was like, oh, I want to see this. I mean, because, you know, about hand fighting. Right. I mean, like that's like the big thing in grappling and in jujitsu, just the whole hand fighting thing. Well, see, that's grips and grips is different. So, OK, what what you're essentially learning how to do is you're essentially learning how to be effective at controlling your own center and taking the other person's balance without the use of grips. So now when you when you put grips back in, oh, OK, now, you know, now you have authority of your body weight integration. You're not relying upon clamping down on someone and pulling them down. and integration you're not relying upon clamping down on someone and pulling them down so like in jujitsu without a gi i'm much better because you can't hold me yeah yeah as soon as i got the gi

on and you can grip me well now okay you've just neutralized a big part of what i'm good at right as a as a white belt uh paulina push hands is super fun paulina if you come across a uh video of that or something i can see where i can teach my boys that please uh send me a link um ck i only wish i had half the hair these guys have what uh someone earlier said we could be brothers you kind of remind me of like uh kurt russell and quentin tarantino kind of mixed into one i've gotten josh brolin now when you looked up mixed into one i've gotten josh brolin now when you looked up that way i saw a little josh brolin okay well give me some yeah some kurt russell some uh quentin's not a compliment i apologize for the quentin i apologize

quentin's wild i get well you know what you know what the humiliating thing is for me anyway is that rope video that you showed that's my best like that's my best video on instagram we got like four and a half million views and um i got doogie fucking hauser so i don't see any doogie hauser in you but that's but i but i love i love when other people get picked on because i get picked on a lot i mean this was like you is that neil patrick harris and you know and that for me that's doogie howard like give me kurt russell give me jack nicholson give me somebody but nah nah you got a little prison yard in you i don't see any doogie howard it's clear you're a tough guy hey what are where are you right there are you at a stadium

um san diego the the stadium is literally uh a block away from my apartment that's petco you were over there just pulling around okay oh no sorry in the video i'm where i am right now is next to peko but that is at the um sports arena at the i guess it's called the pachanga uh arena now but that's a sports arena right it's on the on sports arena boulevard right across from home depot yeah wads on me yeah that's what i don't know if you said it first or i said it but if you said it first i didn't even read that that's what i see little kurt russell josh brolin tarantino all in one yeah yeah i'll take that i'll take that where were you uh where were you born? I was born in New Jersey. In 1970? 1970.

Yep. Are your parents still alive? Yes. They're both actually in New Jersey. Wow. And you went to a regular upbringing, elementary school, junior high, high school? Yeah. Yeah.

I had K through six was King king's road and we had a gym teacher named mr b and he was just the absolute best and so i i've always had a passion for physicality and he made gym class so much fun in high school i would play in gym right and it would usually be one of the one of the gym teachers who was a coach, either, you know, baseball coach or football coach or basketball coach. So he'd have a team and I'd have a team and I would get people so fired up in gym class. And like, you know, the burnout kids who didn't want to do it with the long hair, I would, you know, there was a, a pink softball bat and I would christen them with the scepter of blood before they got up to the

plate and then they're going crazy and the kids who would be picked last I'd pick them first and oh you'd have picked me that's awesome and make sure that they catch a touchdown like I'm drenched in sweat every day at gym class through high school so who taught you to be that guy that's an interesting um well you know I characteristic to pick the kids who would be picked last first that means either you who taught you that your mom or your dad or why why would you do that i think well my mom had a lot of fighting i remember i grew up on a block where there were 30 kids and i was one of the younger ones and so i got you know i got all that comeuppance from the older kids and there

was this one kid who was not he was only like about three or four years older and he used to pick on me and it was just relentless. And I remember like I was crying and my mom, my mom just took me and she goes, the next time he does that to you, you grab him by the shoulders and you knee him in the balls. And so the next time he did it, I grabbed him in the balls and that, you know, first grader against the fifth grader kind of a thing, you know, you need a fifth grader in the balls. You're suddenly David, he's Goliath and you know, you're sort of paraded around. Um, and I always,

I always liked the underdog and I detest someone picking on someone who is weaker. Like if you know that you can beat them and you're picking on them what the fuck is your problem like go pick on someone your size right go do something's gonna be a challenge and so i remember in high school we had this uh we had this this kid from from asia and he was you know he couldn't speak english well and he was you know little and stuff and kids would pick on him. And I would like jack these kids into a locker and be like, you pick on him, I'm going to beat your ass. So I always felt like a defender of the week.

And gym class, you know, can you imagine if you're not good at sports and now you're playing dodgeball and the coaches are rolling out like those red rubber balls. This ain't, you know, this is back in the eighties when you were allowed to do shit that you can't do today. Yeah. You know, like you don't throw that red ball at some kid who can't defend himself. You do it to the kid who's your own ability and you de-cleat them by hitting them in the head with it. Right. Right. Right. You know what I know what i mean that game was great you did you play the one that was the circle there's a big circle in the yard no but we played river dodgeball so there was like a river where you could go past the line they could go past okay yeah that's the way my kids play it

too yeah we played in a circle. Jesus. That would be interesting. Yeah, there's dudes on the inside and then everyone circles the dudes on the outside. It was pretty cool. I just remember when they would roll out those red balls. I'm talking, you know, there's weight. You can grab that thing and you can hurl it.

People come out of that club with a big red welt on their face and a bruise on the back of their head where they hit the ground. Shannon Medeiros. This is a, do you know who that is? Do you know who Justin Medeiros is? I don't. He's the two time fittest man in the world. He's the current champion. That's his mom. Justin is just like that.

He always stood up for kids being picked on in school. I love it. They see that. That's what it's see that that's what it's about that's what it's about like a real a real man doesn't pick on the weak you just don't are you a christian uh yes yes i am were you born that way yeah i mean we're not so i i was i would call myself i have a very i have a spiritual relationship with God in my own terms. I was raised Protestant, Presbyterian, baptized in the Presbyterian church. But I would say that I'm not some practicing Christian in a in a in a traditional sense, but I have my code in my relationship with Jesus and God. That is the foundation for me. When you were a child, that that whole protecting.

Protecting the other kids, was that from that? Was that from some upbringing going to church on Sundays? No, no. I think what it was was I some upbringing going to church on Sundays no no I think what it was was I never liked to get picked on and so I would I was the first grader that was getting in fights with fourth graders because the fourth graders say hey you know give us this ball or you know that's my thing or you know give me your lunch or whatever and I'd say fuck you before I even knew what it meant I would say fuck you. And I got into scraps and fights with older kids a bunch when I was younger because I was just like, no, you're not going to do it to me.

limp one day he's walking home from school hopefully he'll come on here and tell the story one day we get lots of stories out of him but he's walking home from school with a girl kid throws a rock at him hits in the in the head i can't remember knock someone conscious but makes him bleed like you know goes home dad's in the kids bigger than him right two or three grades higher uh goes home and his dad's like hey you're gonna you're gonna punch me in the face as many times as it takes until you fucking know how to punch and his dad's like, Hey, you're going to, you're going to punch me in the face as many times as it takes until you fucking know how to punch. And his dad makes him punch him so many times until Greg's crying. Right? Like, you know, I want to be hitting their dad like that. Next day, Greg goes over there, taps a dude on the shoulder, dude turns around and Greg fucking knocks him out. That happened in elementary school. And the legend stuck until he graduated from high school,

you know, and he ended up becoming like a you know a really good gymnast and crazy strong and that helped and he's kind of built like an orangutan i don't know if you noticed yeah yeah yeah he's got a six foot five wingspan and he's only a five six dude yeah i can see that i can see that oh yeah very similar story and and to this day he's very protective over other people very like even if someone's fault, right, even if someone's done something wrong, but they're getting picked on, Greg will go over there and insert. Be like, yo, why are you picking on the weak dude? Yeah, he's he is such an extraordinary person. And I had always had a great respect for him just from afar and went meeting him. far and when meeting him and then, you know, just being at that event and the whole mission there to right the wrongs of this nonsense that's being foist upon people for the money

and power interests, you know, that it's, it's, there's health consequences. Lives are being ruined and destroyed, destroyed because there's greedy, evil people. destroyed because there's greedy evil people and you see he's in a fight against billion dollar trillion dollar you know forces right and that's very hard to win right but in exercise it's not the same like the the people doing wrong in exercise are not evil people they're misinformed people right and there's and there's in the biomechanics of human movement, I mean, unless there's a golf club or a bicycle, or it's like a military rucksack that needs to be weighted, right? There's zero money going into the biomechanics of running and walking, but it's the most functional thing we do. And so there's not a sinister evil force and there's no money supporting the counter.

It's just apathy and ignorance. And, oh, we just do it this way kind of a thing. So the only thing we're fighting in fitness is ego, is ego bullshit. And the closest thing that there is or was is, I guess, still was the, you know, the NSCA versus CrossFit thing where NSCA used their power and their position to, you know, do a, a fake study to harm CrossFit. And they were punished for it that never got fully reconciled because of the whole, you know, the way it went down and the way Greg left CrossFit. So, I mean, I, and those are the guys that have been telling everybody to brace their core stiff and resist rotation. It's like, wait a minute here. And this

is a case where in physical, it always gets found out. Fosbury changed the high jump in 1968, but in 1972, they were doing it the old way because why because egos because they couldn't accept the fact that their idea wasn't the best so they kept their idea afloat until 1976 when finally and forevermore it became Fosbury and what I'm did Olympics? No, no, no. He set the Olympic record with his new technique in 68. Yeah, I remember reading about that. In 1972, it was back to this scissoring action, and it was a lower jump that won the gold medal. Oh, crazy.

So he didn't go back to the Olympics in 72? No, no, no. And Fosbury was not a great athlete. I mean, the guy was- No, I remember reading that. He was an engineer who just was like, right? Like he shouldn't have been, he wouldn't have been in the Olympics

had he not had that technique. Right, right. And so, and my point is, is that the stubborn, adamant, like, oh yeah, we're the scientists. These guys got egos and they don't like being wrong. And they're wrong when it comes to Fosbury and they're wrong when it comes to running. I'm the first guy. I'm

the first guy to say, guys, look at it from the front, not just the side and put your head over your foot. If you're running straight, land with your head over your foot. And Serge Gracovesky wrote the book, The Spinal spinal engine that explains how the vertebral structure from a fish that as soon as it becomes amphibian and comes out of the buoyancy of water you have a three-dimensional figure eight that communicates shoulders and hips what's the name of that book what's the name of that book it's called the spinal engine by Serge Grakovetsky is it old book it's an old book and on Amazon probably cost you 500 bucks if you can find it and it's a dense book that you don't need to read the whole point of it is that the shape of a human

spine means that when you side bend there is a three-dimensional figure eight happening that your hips will do overhand figure eights if your shoulders do underhand figure eights and it all happens from just going side to side right and so if you land with your head over your foot you're balanced and that's the only way you can do it and i'm the first guy to say it and and of course i'm the asshole i was wrong you know blah blah i'm the charlatan with my bosu ball all that bullshit right and now finally now you get that not that with the bosu ball you're the charlatan well that's what they call me right they say oh that guy's trying to trick people into buying his sissy stuff and And like, it's a, it's a, it's a man's, uh, it's, it's the guys with the egos, right. Who, who got a problem with like, you know, if you make fun of Tony

little, or if you, you know, you say, Oh, Richard Simmons, it's a jealousy because the guy makes more money than you. And you view what they do as sissy and you do what you do as manly. And they don't know me just because women like to exercise on my bosu ball does not mean that I am somehow some kind of a sissy, right? Anybody who knows me in person knows that I'm the least thing from sissy. I'll play up. You got to kill me to beat me. And I'm not a badass either. So, but unless you're a trained fighter you're gonna get your ass kicked so that's where it stands because i just had time the post ball gave me time i had every day all day for 20 years to do what i want to do oh because the sales were so good yeah yeah

and you took care of yourself and you explored you didn't waste that time you explored shit well here's what i did i on purpose did not learn to surf because i knew that oh i go learn how to surf where's the end in that right right i'm never gonna like i won't be the best surfer and i won't have any money for it and so oh just gonna have good time for 20 years no no no i studied movement with the with the the, begin with the end in mind. When I invented the Bosa ball, I said, I am going to be the world's foremost expert on the subject of balance measured by locomotion because walking is the most functional fundamental movement we do except for eating and the survival mechanisms, right? Everything is

walking. You walk to the squat rack, you walk to the bench press, you walk to the swimming pool, you walk to the horse arena, right? Walking is how a human being gets from A to B. And I sought to be the world's foremost expert on that subject and measuring it by sprinting and running, which are just they're just heightened forms of walking. And and I've done that. Right. And I'll you know, I'll stake that in the ground and you come up and let's have a contest of ideas. Mr. Who? Right. Mr. Ph.D. Mr. You've been coaching how many people i don't give a shit i know the subject and we can have a discussion if you're willing and we will land in the same exact place which is balance is better than imbalance bang and see and what i want to do is i want to want to inspire people to be better themselves and be stronger themselves and create individual

autonomous entities that are not so susceptible to the bullshit and make their own observations oh and that's why you like the broken science thing greg was doing that's what that's why i love the broken science thing about making your own observations yeah yes use your own discernment use your own discernment but if listen if you are fundamentally out of balance, you don't know you are and you're real strong and tough. You have a you have a deep down sense of of uncommon or non confidence because, you know, deep, deep down below the levels of which you're capable of even thinking that you don't have integrity because your body is insecure because if the shit goes down you don't know how to clear space you don't know how to carry the person when it's going to get real hard you don't know how to run when you got your your hamstring blown off by a bullet you don't know these things wow you made a great connection right there

it's about functional if there's a fire man the weak man has compromised integrity because yes yes and he has to for survival well in his mind it's but it's it's the deep part it's the basal gaze the cerebellum it's the shit that you don't control. You have to deliberately program that thing over time because thinking is too slow. If you're out of balance, which so many people are, with every single step that they take, I was just in New York taking 25,000 steps every day looking at the people. And so many people just plod through life. The textbook definition of walking. Ready?

A series of controlled falls where you recover with each step. What the fuck? That's how God made you to fall and recover every single step? No, it ain't. It is if you don't know what you're doing. step? No, it ain't. It is if you don't know what you're doing. But walking is that is the graceful, elegant distribution of weight to put one foot down and then change it to the other. That's what walking is. Dustin Hoffman, I'm walking here.

Hey, isn't there, though? Let me let me push back on that a little bit. Isn't there an explanation of walking, the physics of walking, that there is a piece like that, that it is falling forward and catching yourself like they show the baby? A toddler does not have balance and they're recovering. A human being who knows how to walk, Deion Sanders, okay, he is not falling. He is never falling. Or we can flip it around and say that we're all falling. This is falling. Everything's falling and it's either supported or it's not. So I'm talking about the efficient use of zero compensation because 100% of you is in balance, ready to go right now. When I am not in balance, I am not ready. I am one move away from my move. And so to to say that walking is a series of controlled falls is is a wrong way to do it. It's like saying a cat that you throw up in the air is out of balance. No, it's not. It's up in the air. It sights the top. It does this. It does this. It does this. And it lands in balance.

So it was never out of balance. What about this? I'm really pushing the issue here. Do you know Romanoff, the guy who developed the pose method? Yes, I do. Okay. So could you say that in order to be, and I'm really getting into the deep water where I have no business swimming. So bear with me if I need floaties. Would you say then leaning forward to the point where you're closest to being out of balance, being out of control, but you're not, is the way for man to run the fastest? Here's what, here's what here's what romanoff and thank you for bearing with me here no no listen please i'm a kindergartner trying to talk to an expert no this is this is these are very good and logical questions what romanoff did not account for was the lateralization of of landing in balance and then landing in balance. What the human body will do if you stand here and fall forward to the point where you have to now initiate your next step, the tendency is that your

first four or five steps will be unbalanced, head in the middle, stumbling forward until your body naturally decides that it's going to have that lateralization of the head so that you're landing with your head over your foot in balance, or at least being better and closer to it than a pure straight. Okay. And if you do run on a tight rope, like Alison Felix said, 150 meters into her 200 meter sprint, she's bowlegged she's running like that her shoulders are doing this but her head's not moving side to side because it's over the foot so the the pose methodology i agree with the pull and the commitment forward is fine but unless you get the lateralization part correct you are not running in. So that's the subject that he just, he passed over it,

didn't know it, didn't teach it. And those who do it naturally are the ones who succeed. And the ones who don't are the ones who tend to fail. So we can control, we can control for that factor is basically what I'm saying. Uh, Jeffrey Birchfield, I now know what to do with that thick rope in my gains box yeah i got that uh excuse me here uh david i got that rope too in my box and i was i was actually laying in bed last night thinking i wonder if i can try this rope flow that david weck is uh sharing with that giant rope let me i'm going to try it too uh jeffrey gains box is this thing where you subscribe to david and they just send you a box of random stuff in it and you never know what it's going to be and they send it out twice a year oh cool yeah it's kind of cool and and you know it's it's everything's

relatively cheap based but but you don't know what you're going to get it but inexpensive you know what i mean you're kind of just like and they sent this rope last month. And I remember seeing it being like, what the hell am I going to do with this rope? It's a pretty thick rope. Can you do the rope flow with a crazy thick rope? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've gone I've gotten a shipyard rope that is, you know, six inches in diameter. And to the point where all I could do with it was like underhand it, underhand it and underhand it. But, yeah, I've rolled rope of all the way from that diameter all the way down to, you know, speed rope wire without plastic. I once I once was hitting like they advertise as the fastest jump rope in the world where, you know, the person did six double unders with it.

And it's this inexpensive little plastic handles with a wire okay like it's a metal wire a thin wire and i was rolling that thing around like this and i was trying this was early in my days and i tried something and it slapped me in the back and i'm telling you there were beads of blood coming out wow yeah those things are nasty i jump i do i jump rope a lot of uh jump rope barefoot um and when it hits your toes with those steel ropes oh god no that hurts oh that yeah that really hurts yeah that hurts bad hey you said something in the mark bell podcast that um so there was a point in my life where I went barefoot for two years, not for any reason. I was just a homeless dude. I was at a party, left my shoes there, and then ended up just not putting shoes on. I lived in Santa Barbara. I was a young man, and I didn't wear shoes for two years. about those shoes that are the five-finger shoes versus going barefoot. And I thought that was so important for people to hear.

You were basically saying something like, yeah, if you wear the shoes, you have to be taught how to walk barefoot. But if you actually just go barefoot, your body will teach you. And you're right. Because when you walk barefoot, you're getting all sorts of sensory feedback with every step especially for the first like six months it takes to build some worthy calluses yes and you inspired me yesterday yesterday i did uh sled pushes in my street barefoot and i know yeah and i had never done that before you know for a hundred empty sled empty sled no weight yeah yeah but uh friction yeah yeah a hundred feet, 100 feet forward and then 100 feet backward on the minute for 20 minutes. And I'd forgotten that.

Yeah, you get crazy feedback. You won't fuck up. You don't need an instructor. You can trust your own judgment and discernment. Yes, right. If you have the analogy that I use just to make the point is a condom. Yes, yes. So picture how thin a condom so yes yes you know it picture how thin a

condom is and then think about you know the difference and now think about you know five millimeters of rubber like hard rubber and now think about how much sensation that skin is going to get and that's the removal from the right now interaction with the ground. And so it's fundamentally different. So what I would recommend, if someone has like a sidewalk and you just like run easy, so you're not sprinting, right? But just run easy, run with that

and do that several times, then put on the barefoot shoe and see if you can replicate the sensation and then take off the shoe, put on the shoe so that you get this comparison so that you're able to find what feels good. Because if you go just to the shoe, you're going to be off and you will have no sense that you're off. And now the bone underneath or the tendon or the muscles, you will have no sense that you're off. And now the bone underneath or the tendon or the muscles, all that stuff's getting, you know, hammered. And you just, you know, it, it, you're not going to learn it before you hurt yourself. If you don't onboard it smart. And, and I think that that's,

that was a real lesson for me because I tend to do things, you know, I onboard them, not smart. lesson for me because i tend to do things you know i onboard them not smart um uh one one thing here for all the parents out there and i love bullying the parents because i think i'm such a great fucking parent you you weigh 200 pounds and you're walking around in your backyard and you're barefoot and it hurts your feet so you tell tell your kids, go put your shoes on. You have to understand your kid only weighs 31 pounds. Stop telling your kids to put shoes on. They don't, they have the same barrier between their blood underneath their foot that you have. And you weigh 200 pounds and you're a pussy and they're 30 pounds and they're not a pussy. They haven't made judgments about the sensations yet that it hurts.

And it's not as much stimulus. Stop projecting onto other people. You're shit. You're cold. It's going to hurt. Stop telling your kid to put on a jacket. Leave them alone. Okay.

That's it. Yeah. That's very smart. Leave your kids alone. The body dimension makes such a difference. Yeah. Look at Dick Butters. Tell me,

calm down, bro. I know, but you know, I get excited about the kid stuff. I just, I see all this dumb shit. Fucking parents are telling their kids and shit.

And it's like, dude, they're not you. When I was there to protect them from uncle Buck and from alligators in the bushes. That's it. That's your job. When I was a kid in 19 years old,

22 years old actor, i carried around um uh the um holding caulfield book a catcher in the rye i carried that around for two years wow because he hated phonies that was what he hated more than anything and his object he wanted to catch him before they ran off the cliff like lemmings. He wanted to catch them. And so I think that that speaks to me about, you know, defender of weak, enhancing people's lives, you know, physical fitness, physical education is the fundamental education. It should be the most important subject in school. And that is what makes someone autonomous and strong and enduring. And the reading, the writing, the arithmetic on that foundation creates someone who can be good and not brainwashed.

If you teach them the reading, the writing, the arithmetic, and it's, you know, the brain in a jar and they don't have any physical capacity. Well, now you can point them in any direction and two plus two equals five if you want it to be. Karina Pace, I lived in Alaska and my six-year-old wears shorts and no coat every day. Somebody pat me on the back. Yeah. If that's you in the picture, I'll give you a hug too. You're going to need special glasses to see it, but it's a, it's a girl in a bathing suit, holding something heavy over her head. I love it's a girl in a bathing suit holding something heavy over her head. I love it. A girl in a bathing suit holding something heavy overhead.

Uh, someone else, a Mike C seven, take a breath. If you would have taken the jab, you may have stroked out. Hey, I'm just,

I'm just practicing my, my acting skills and my passion. Why? Um, do you remember the first fight you ever got in david first fight i remember an early fight that was you know very early where yeah where it was like a fight and the kids were around oh on the schoolyard no it was it was walking home it was walking home

and uh and it was a fourth grader i was a first grader and it ended up where i had him in that like you know pinned you know i was on top of his chest holding his arms down and then and then the older kids they loved it so they started like pretending to punch the kid in the face and he was like turning his head and turning his head. And then he didn't turn his head and the older kid punched him in the eye. So he had a black eye from a sixth grader as a first grader was holding him down. And I remember, you know, getting the phone call that night from the school or no, no, from the other parents, getting the phone call that night. From the school or? No, no, from the other parents.

Like the school wasn't involved. It was, you know, off the school property. But, you know, I had to explain that one to my mom. Interesting. So you won your first fight. One of your first fights. Yeah, I did. Well, I didn't get in that many fights, but I wouldn't say that I ever lost a fight.

Yeah, interesting. Yeah, interesting. There was never a time, you know, I've been pulled off and broken up, but never like, oh, man, I lost the fight. So you were always game? I just would have, like, if I were losing a fight, I would never quit. Right. Like, you know, you got to kill me. You know, like, there's absolutely no way, you know,

because that would be the most embarrassing, humiliating thing ever. Like, when I was a kid, to lose a fight? Yeah, totally. Like that, you know, that that just i'd have rather been dead and and when did you leave uh new jersey and why did you leave i went to uh massachusetts for college that was up at williams college for four years played football ran track um you played and that's where you played collegiate football crazy yes yeah why you loved it that much in high school i eight years football was everything you know faith

family football um i love football uh it was it was my true passion and then after and then come graduation i'd worked on wall street in Street in Manhattan the junior summer as an intern. Sorry, one quick question for you. In track in college, what did you do? What was your. I was I was pretty much a 400 meter runner. Wow. Like I would have been better at fifteen hundred or even longer, but I didn't want to be good at that because I wanted to be big for football. longer, but I didn't want to be good at that because I wanted to be big for football. So I didn't, I didn't run to my strength. I, you know, I wasn't, I'm not super fast. I'm very quick and agile. So, you know, my 400, I never broke 50 seconds. It's crazy that you did both though. It's what, uh,

what, what, what, that that's a good life that that's building a strong man that explains a lot about you yeah hard things physicality and pushing myself to like i could dunk a volleyball and i ran a 4 6 40 those are like the heights of my athletic achievements you know if we're if we're measuring what you can, you know, jump and what you can run. How tall are you? 5'11". Okay. So it's not like you're a giant or anything. No. And, and that came like genetically, like, you know, I'm pretty skinny. So, you know, and, and I, you know, I'm, I'm not, I don't have the most robust body, you know, it's,

it's the tenacity of will and of mind. And then it's now it's the cultivation of like, like my hands. Like I, I figured out how to make a fist where you triangulate the, the bones so that I'm like, I'm doing this here. I'm making triangles and then enveloping the triangles like this. And, and I've trained these knuckles. you can see like these things i mean that's that's like millions of strikes so i have i mean i could really really hurt somebody with my hands like i i know how to hit and i can take hits like i do this little party trick where i make this shape here it's like a diamond like that and I pull it up against my head here and I say slap me you'll bitch slap me as hard as you can and I can I can take that

take that and this shape here that triangle or pyramid makes the force go around my skull and my brain inside does not concuss so oh wow and that's a fun little party trick where you know and and then the whole key is that now i have an elbow too so i've got this as weapon i got that as weapon and as the hit comes in you hit the hit so you you know you the best offense or the best defense is a good offense. Remember? You ever work with professional fighters? Oh yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. MMA guys? Yep. Yep. Anyone I know?

Well, I mean, I've worked, I don't train them as their trainer, but I work with them more sort of consulting and like, okay, well come on in, we'll do some sessions i'll teach you this and then you know go on your way um dominic cruz is a very close friend of mine wow so and you know and he's someone who you know wow he's he's so intelligent crazy unorthodox right crazy unorthodox well yes and that's one of the most unique fighters ever well yes and that's what i love about him is because everything here in front is smoke and mirrors so that he can get and if you think about it his big move is to dance the center right so you don't know what's coming depending upon what you do he's either going to go right or left he'll go let's say he's going this

way the head comes way out here now he has the kick option right and then that he's going to get to the flank by changing to here yeah yeah so and that's his you can do it that's crazy that you can do it well i mean i study movement so like i can okay that's what he's doing right yeah and so now the trick is to do it in real time. Like that's the hard part. Yeah. You know? You mean apply it while some dude's actually trying to fucking smash and kill you.

Yeah, like I could show you point by point how Floyd Medweather like fades and follows, but, you know, in real time, he'll do it a lot better than me. Right. God, that's amazing. When did you know that you had those capabilities observational capabilities did you cultivate them or you think you were born with them no definitely definitely cultivated so what happened was when i played football in college it was a very uh the the secondary i played defensive back the secondary was um was was

on the field is where you made the call. So depending upon what they lined up at, the coach wasn't sending in signals. You were calling the defense based on what presented. And then when they went into motion, you had to change the call and adjust. And so it was all this like, bang, bang. And I was thrust into the starting job as a sophomore at free safety because the other guy went down with an injury. And so I studied the defensive like I would study 20 hours a week of of of the films. above my level was I had done so much homework in the film study that I was recognizing patterns and things, you know, on the field so that I, I had a jump. Like I knew what the next play was going to be based on tendencies and based

on what I had studied. So it was that diligence that made me a good football player. And then when I graduated, I became an actor rather than go to work on Wall Street, which meant I was a personal trainer to survive. And that's when my interest in the film study turned toward the biomechanical study. And I didn't make so much progress in the beginning, you know, because it just wasn't aware. It was really when I, after inventing the Bosu ball, when I had like full time to do whatever I wanted to do,

that's when I really became very, very good at analysis and then feeling and then analysis and noticing things that are hiding in plain sight. Like head over foot is it's if you watch something from the front, all the fast ones do it. Right. And they're all taught not to move your head. So Michael Johnson, one of the greatest sprinters ever, will tell you himself, at least he has on television, that he didn't move his head. OK, Michael, let's go to your videotape. Right. And then Michael Johnson, he run. He's doing this. He's doubled right and then Michael Johnson he run he's doing this he's doubled down and with his arms and he's going head over foot but he'll tell you that he didn't move his head so that's pretty common with athletes right they don't even know what

their own body's doing they don't even know now and what I say is aim small miss small imagine if you do know as a coach what my most important thing that I can teach you as a coach is your intent. Where should you be focused on what you should be doing? The more exactingly precise that that is, the better I am at coaching you. So if I'm telling you to do something that you're not doing and you believe that you're doing this thing or you're not doing this thing that you shouldn't be doing but you're doing it because you actually should you're leaving a lot on the table right you're leaving a lot on the table because you don't even know what the fuck you're supposed to be doing how can you make it better consciously how can

you direct all your efforts to doing it and and and again it's a subject it's a subject that nobody gives a shit about walking i mean if i were to just go up to a regular person say hey you want to talk about walking you know what the fuck are we talking about walking for you know what i mean it's like it's pretty basic most people skipped over it. But to to get it right takes a power of observation that nobody had observed. And so now it's just it's this awakening and a podcast like this. You heard Mark Bell. Someone else is going to hear this. And it relates so fundamentally to the strength of an individual, because if you're not balanced, your strength is eroding. You do not have enduring strength. So even though you're stronger than the other person,

you don't have the staying power. You don't have your fullest strength. And guess what? You are going to meet someone who is bigger and better than you. And that's when the balance matters suddenly. Right. So, and that's the reality is most people are getting by stuck from 30 to 70 and they don't know zero to a hundred. When you have balance, you know, zero, right. You don't, it's like, okay, yeah, I don't got watch Deion Sanders. Just even in an interview, like the way that he moves his body is just, just even in an interview, like the way that he moves his body is just, it's efficient. He never wastes a single ounce of energy. It's just, it's Randy Moss. These are big cats. These are people who just move with the grace of God. And, and, and they happen to have the athleticism that

allows them to be the best. but if they had that neurotic sort of like oh i need to be stronger oh i'm imbalanced i don't even know it then they can't be who they are i like the way you describe them as big cats i picture big cats don't seem to be wasting any movements i they can't well let's put it this way a long time ago crossfit wasn't necessary because life itself was crossfit right so you weren't doing burpees and you weren't hitting a fucking tire with a sledgehammer you're chopping wood with an axe right right and they say that okay if i gotta chop a tree down and i got five hours, well, I'm going to spend a few hours sharpening the ax before I start chopping for one, right? And now every chop has to be on

the money. Otherwise you're not making progress. So having a task, an outward directed task that requires some attenuation to like perfection is how you get shit done perfectly. And if you remove the need, well, then the human being is just going to get lazy and miss and not even know it. And, and gate walking, jogging, running, sprinting, that should be something that everybody should understand how to do that well. And I cannot tell you how many, like, cause what's happening is now I'm starting to gain a little popularity. should be something that everybody should understand how to do that well and i cannot tell you how many like because what's happening is now i'm starting to gain a little popularity

because oh you hear it here you hear it there holy shit i thought that guy was crazy no actually he makes a lot of sense and oh actually i did what he said and i'm stronger stronger is always going to be the king because it's the birds and the bees. And what does a 14 year old want than bigger muscles and better looking? Right. I mean, come on. If we're going to get honest, that's what it is. And that's what it should be, because that's what makes the whole thing go around. And we play another round. You got to make more. Right. And without that drive, I mean, do you think men and women will get along at all without that drive? Right. So this is something where physical education. It needs to be spread word of mouth, but even more important, word of deed.

And so the talking about it is the superseding. You're going to learn ropes and you're going to persevere through the frustration of, oh, I hit myself in the head a few times. No, just fucking learn how to do it. Make up muscle memory. And then your kids are going to learn it. And now for the rest of their lives, they will be able to assimilate any task faster and more completely because they have that bandwidth of flow and the patience of balance. If you're not in balance, you're not patient. The big cat can stalk that gazelle at nighttime.

The leopard is waiting for the wind to change. And it's been three hours, but the wind hasn't changed. So I'm not going to pounce. But I am poised to pounce and I am patient because I'm not getting tired. But I am poised to pounce and I am patient because I'm not getting tired. I'm in a position that is sustainable because it's 100% balanced. And that is life before technology was the necessity. When when you I want to go back to when you i'm going to go back to when you um uh but by the way i am going to teach my kids

and i am i'm very i'm very excited to teach them i'm very excited to learn myself the tenacity of a crossfitter will get the job done okay that's that's who crossfitters are crossfitters are the ones who say i need to get this shit done three two one go that is the heart of a crossfitter and what I say is that a crossfitter integrated with the ropes holy shit that's an army that can change the world for good for sure uh Carlos Romero I will take the axe analogy thank you i know me too i'll borrow i'll be taking that one also um tell me about um inventing the um bosu ball why did you invent it i don't know if why is the right word uh so basically what had happened to me was i had suffered a year of chronic back pain i had rollerbladed in new york city for six years i didn't walk or run for six years because I love the freedom and

the effortlessness of skating. So my feet became nubile weak. And when your feet are weak and they can't manage the pressure against the ground, then tension rises up in your body. And I dropped my motorcycle one day. I picked it up. I wrenched my back and my feet were weak from all the skating and bang, my lower back seized. And because my feet couldn't reconcile that force, the pain stayed stuck up in my lower back. And I knew none of this at the time. So I had an aching back for a year, went to physical therapy. It didn't work. And then finally, last session, the woman said, here's an exercise ball that you can do some things at home. OK, like a yoga ball, one of those round ones, the big inflatable yoga ball, stability ball, Swiss ball. They got a lot of names. But so I had that suddenly, OK, left to my own devices.

Insurance ran out. So that introduced me to the controlling of chaos of the writing and adjusting where when you're on a ball and you're like trying to kneel on it, for example, there's a lot of like it's almost like hitting reset on the computer because there's this this this like writing and reacting. fast in the moment where you're sort of like, it's a reflexive reset. And so that can sort of take an injured area and sort of like refresh it and just give it a different tension and then relaxation. And that started to open the door for me to pain-free. And then I saw a guy named Paul Cech squatting on top of one of these things. And I was like, oh, wow, I'm going to try standing on that thing. So I got a pull up bar and I stood on it and I learned how to stand on it. And inadvertently standing on that ball, I was now strengthening my feet and I was driving to the center line of the ball as opposed to just this. It was center line and my feet were starting to get strong. And so I got rather good

at that i could jump onto one i could you know jump from a ball to another ball did you ever have any nasty accidents doing that that's it and that's where this goes is i had i had been studying a great blooper reel there yeah no exactly and then i'd been studying felding christ which is the opposite end of the spectrum of working hard. It's minimizing the effort so that you can discern the slightest gradation of force. And so I stood on the ball one night, I closed my eyes really soft. I tilt my head and I flipped out, landed on the ball, did a backflip and landed across the apartment, started kicking my feet to make sure I could still do it. Cause I was scared that I broke my neck that I landed on it. And that night I said, what if I cut the ball in half? And as soon as I said that, I was like, Oh my God.

Whoa. Like I'd never seen that. Like, Whoa, I'll be able to be on that dome surface. And there'll be totally, I can jump on it. They're like, whoa. And so literally the next day I went out to New Jersey. I built a prototype on a Saturday, let the glue dry, inflate it on a Sunday. Holy shit, I've got my invention. I'm going to patent this and this is my life. I called my agent Monday morning in acting, said I'm done acting. I'm off to pursue this new opportunity and so that is literally how the bosa ball came into being

so rollerblading to drop what kind of motorcycle did you drop it was a yamaha maxim 700 okay big bike uh you dropped the bike you went to pick it up deadlift it back went out yep what you knew about biomechanics and just the way the body operates you blamed your feet for being well i didn't even know that but that's in hindsight it was my weak feet that didn't let my back get better physical therapy for a year one of the last sessions lady introduces you sends you home with the ball yep um you see some uh crazy circus tricks with the ball you want to do them too and then bam half ball another accident and you end up with a half ball yeah another accident i end up with a half ball and the magic of a bosu ball is the truest value is when the dome is up because then the device is stable.

You could jump on it like a trampoline. Oh, right, right. You mean as opposed to putting it and standing on the platform? Okay. Yeah, so the platform side, if it were just the platform side, it wouldn't be what it is. It would just be another wobble board that, you know, yeah, wobble board, but the dome side up, it truly is special. So it's a convex trampoline and it has that elasticity to it, which is elastics are very special because when you

compress an elastic, the force register is happening faster than mass related force so if you take a slingshot it is elastic and you pull a hundred pounds of force on it yeah versus a hundred pounds of mass that hundred pounds of force on a slingshot puts the marble into the ground like bang exponentially faster than the gravitational pull so a ball that is elastic works the same way when you compress it the force register sends a current that is faster than gravity and it stimulates the nervous system to get very very you know recruit the big motor units and to be like charged and so that is inherent within a bosu ball if you do pushups on a BOSU ball dome and you compress into it as hard as you can, I like driving my fists into it and I do this.

Now I'm getting that like it's not isometric, it's expometric, like the force is coming out with the current. And then what I'll do is I'll reposition my body. So I'll be here with my arms. My arms don't change, but my body now changes. And so now I'm getting this like coil under and long over, and then I'll come and get the other side and you get off and you have this like, wow, like I am like, you know, fast and strong.

So that's just one example. Do you put air in the Bosu ball? It's air. It's very thick rubberized vinyl and it's uh just so can you pump it up once someone gets it home can they pump it up or deflate it yeah yeah it comes flat comes in a giant pizza box and then you just blow it up crazy but it's like a trampoline yeah if you jump on a trampoline your feet will do this like pronation thing, right? If you jump on a BOSU ball, you're getting this supination to pronation. And this is the gait pattern, outside to inside, outside to inside.

If it's just a trampoline going just to inside, that's not what we want. We want to anchor every step to the substantial outside of the foot where the fourth and fifth toes go to the calcaneus the heel bone and the big toe second toe third toe they ride up and float atop connecting to the talus on top of the heel bone and so what you want is you want this sequential outside to inside outside to inside and that's how the human foot will interact strongest in that sequence with the ground. There was this – in the Mark Bell podcast, you talk about how in our previous lives – I'm assuming you meant as fish. The top of the foot was the front of us, and the top of the foot was the front of us, and the bottom of the foot was the back of us.

And I've had three little boys. Oh, I lost you. Uh-oh. Oh, we might lose him big time. He might be gone-gone. Well, shit. I'm getting one for my garage right away. I want to be able to do that rope flow thing Jeffrey Birchfield you have to buy

one of his products to get the free training video or buy the video okay so if you buy the rope you get the video makes sense I'm sure someone put it on YouTube Sean M. Gary isn't in this guy's league. Gary is lazy. Oh, you mean Gary Roberts? Jeez, guys. Wow.

This guy fucking invented the BOSU ball. David, your battery may have died or something. Oh, there you are. Oh, there he is. He's back. I don't know what happened. Sorry about that. That's okay. Are you on a different device now or same device? I'm on my phone now. You know what happened? The power cord, the power cord wasn't powering the computer.

Jeez Louise. Well, you're good now. Good. Sorry about that. So Mark Bell podcast feet coming out. That's where I dropped off. So I saw, I have three little boys and I, I spend a lot of time with my kids and I spend a lot of time. I probably indulge in human movement.

Like if my wife's working out in the garage, I like to go out there and watch her. I like to go to the skate park and just watch my kids. And I probably I'm more indulging and taking pride in it than studying it. But when my kids were growing up, someone they would first start learning to walk. I would see them do this thing where they would walk on the top of their foot i know it sounds fucking unbelievable what i'm saying but have you ever seen little babies do that it's crazy huh like we take it so for great you think how could the body even bend that way yeah occasionally you'd see them take steps where they stepped on the top of their foot wow and you're like whoa that is some crazy impressive shit and i'd actually

never even i kind of just stored that away that i've seen that you know probably not a lot but probably a dozen times from each kid you know which is like you know um which is a lot in two months of learning to walk in that two-month period but any thoughts on that on the body like trying to because we think it's just so natural to walk on the bottom of your feet but i actually saw them all the kids do it at one point step on the top of their foot and it was was it was it over the front or was it over the side was i think it was over the front it was like almost over the front but like they just had like they were figuring it out like what's the best side to step on i'm like damn

that's some fucking rudimentary shit right there yeah well uh that that two two things come to mind when you tell me that story the first one is that that, you know, OK, the feet pop out like this, where the bottom of the foot is facing forward and then they spiral down like that when you grow. So that's how that's the calcium matrix and that collagen fiber. The kid is extremely forgiving where it's like rubberized bone. Yeah, they're made of rubber. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so there's a lot of collagen. It's not crystallized into the harder form yet so that they're forgiving and it can grow. So even the skull is not fused yet it hasn't sort of formed and come together look at this crazy shit sorry to interrupt

someone wrote in the comments uh my friend's son still walks like this at eight years old yeah you kind of can't even believe it until you see it once or twice then you're like and you can't get them to reenact it either you're're just kind of like, wait, what did I just see? That's something that I think the pliability of that human being at that time makes it possible. And then they're exploring and it just goes there, I guess. as it relates to the skeleton, that I think that the skeleton plays a much larger role in power than most people think, and power as exemplified by jumping in particular, and speed, but jumping in particular. Because when you're young, your bones are very rubbery, and they're very forgiving. When you're old, your bones are very brittle, and they can very forgiving. When you're old, your bones are very brittle and they can break easily, but there's a window between like 18 and 32. So that window where

I think the bone structure is at its perfect proportion where you actually get a torsional bend of the bone in addition to the muscles, the tendons, and the fascia. Because we think of bones as compressive elements and then the soft tissues as the tensional elements. But if you think about a bow and arrow, it's the bow that has the bend. And the bow is what gives you the strength in a bow and arrow. So there's not like a, you know, the tensile strength of the string is not elastic, right? It doesn't shorten at all or lengthen or shorten at all. It's the bow that bends to create the length and then the shortening. And in the human body, we know that the soft tissues do lengthen and shorten, right? And the tendon will lengthen and shorten very you know very rapidly

but i think that there is a sweet spot where the bone is involved in the bend in addition that gives you that athletic sweet spot because at 45 years old you can be a lot stronger than you were at 25 years old. Like a lot stronger. Oh, with better transfer of energy because it's more rigid? I'm just talking about picking up something and like shaking a man's hand. Like if you work with Belgian blocks or something, right, and you're 40, you're 50, your hand is just invincible. Right.

Right? So that's connective tissue. It's all that stuff. And, you know, if you're, if you're power lifting, you've got, you know, you can go in your forties and you'd be better than you were in your twenties and your thirties. So, but you can't jump as high. Right. And you can't run as fast. So you could be a lot stronger and you have the density of tissue and all that stuff, but you can't jump jump as high and so that story about the baby with you know with walking on the that side of the foot yeah that just gives me sort of that zoom back of that life cycle of okay rubbery pliability brittle you know stiff and then somewhere in the middle you have that sweet zone

where you're going to jump your highest in that window and it won't happen before and it won't happen after because that's the mystery it's like wait a minute you're 47 years old and you're a lot stronger than you were at 35 years old yeah and getting old getting old is a trip oh my gosh it's like you you know i'm in the second but i'm enjoying it 100 i wouldn't have it any other way sorry to interrupt go ahead sorry no i don't want to live forever in this form you know what i mean i you know let's let's play it again but different um i would say that getting old like i'm on the back nine you're on the back nine now i think what it does is it incentivize you to play smarter yeah because you get away with so much when you're younger and then you don't get

away with it when you're older and so it sort of forces you into better behavior to extend the you know the youthful vigor all of a sudden you see the end of the runway and you're like i'm gonna try to get that to push that out a little bit be a little yeah yeah yeah and i don't it let you it's funny i was i haven't been injured in four years i used to be injured my lower back all the time and the only thing i'm doing is i'm just not being stupid i was literally told my wife the other day i'm like i have not and by injure my back i mean you know those days where you have to like crawl into the bathroom and pee right shower I haven't I haven't had to do that in forever. And I'm like, wow, that used to be a yearly event for me. Yeah. My diet. Like, you know, I'm I'm not a fitness. I'm not like a health fitness guy.

A lot of the time, like I can consume massive quantities of sugar and I can't do that same thing anymore. Like a whole bag of peanut M&M's a pound of them. You don't do that anymore. They had a, like, I've done ridiculous ones that, you know, most people wouldn't even believe. Like, you know, they had a James Brown show in Central Park sponsored by Snickers one year when I was in my twenties and I, I got like, I don't know,

75 extra large Snickers bars and I put them all in the freezer. I think I had 37 Snickers bars in one sitting. No shit. Like, and I used to add for eight months, I had four Ben and Jerry's minimum every single day for eight months. Were you ever fat? Not really.

Not really. I was thick. It felt real strong. But I stopped because diabetes. My fingers and toes were starting to tingle and go numb. And did you reverse it? Yeah. toes were starting to you know tingle and go numb oh and hurt and did you reverse it yeah i mean you know i'm the guy who like even when the gun's here you got to cock the trigger and then i'll stop oh right right yep um melissa odier i hate getting old we'll start hormones soon i don't know i'm

enjoying getting old i haven't i never i don't feel like i've are you would you do hormones would you do testosterone replacement therapy it's funny because i just did the merrick health test yeah and apparently my testosterone is you know it's not bad it's you know it's not over but it's you know in the higher end and i don't feel bad so i don't you seem like you have high testosterone to me yeah i mean i well let's put it this way i don't i can, I don't even have to shave between here and here. So I'm not the guy who, you know, has to shave at three in the afternoon. So I'm not Mr. Test, but I have a, I guess I got a decent amount flowing through me

and I have, you know, you know, no problem in libido and those things at this age of 53. But, um, so I don't think I need it, but I would certainly, the way I look at it is if I'm not exciting the growth of something else, like a cancer, that's going to get me first, why wouldn't I supplement with something that makes me feel younger and better? Right. Yeah. If I could, you know, if I could be dancing at my granddaughter's wedding and, you know, you got to shoot me in the butt, you know, or shoot me here every two weeks. Well, who cares? My biggest sponsor is a testosterone replacement company, California Hormones. OK, I mean, yeah, I mean, oh, did you see what Chris Bell's talking about, how they're trying to they're trying to restrict the telemedicine of testosterone now.

Those fucking idiots. I wrote a, you know, he has a link that you can go and write something cogent about why this isn't such a good idea. So I joined that cause. I love the Bells. Yeah, they're good dudes. But basically, so this, and everyone I know who's taken, so this testosterone replacement company

it's called california hormones they're a sponsor of the show every single person i've talked to who's gone on the journey absolutely loves it and what's interesting is of course they get stronger they sleep and but here's two things they all they also say they sleep better and they said they got rid of all their other fucking medications, psychiatric medications. They said, dude, they're saying testosterone should be the go-to psychiatric medication. Well, I mean, if you feel more manly and more secure in your manhood and you're stronger, well, I mean, that would tend to make a lot of things feel better. Right.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. I have, I have nothing against it. Um, and I, and I am looking into it now. Like I did my blood work. So, um, I have the company I work for by the company that I work with is in, um, uh, uh, Southern California. They're in Newport beach. So if you, if you, they have a crazy killer lab there. So if you're interested in me connecting you with them, let me know.

Yeah, certainly. Please text me. That would be great. I'll connect you to the owner of the company. She's great. She's absolutely great. Are you somewhere in Arizona? No, I'm in Santa Cruz. I'm way north of you. Okay, gotcha.

Way north of you. Hey gotcha way north of you hey um do you train um do you train any people um not on a regular regular but I have trained people um you ever gone out to do you ever go to like colleges and be like hey they're like hey show the football team the flow rope yeah no I've I've done like you know i've gone up and trained with the you know if i know the strength coach or something go up and train with the san francisco 49ers and you know right and stuff and yeah i've done a whole bunch of that stuff and worked with you know some real high level athletes um and but it's mainly just it's more teaching than it is coaching i would say i would just think that you would be um it seems like a

no-brainer to have you come in pass out ropes to every fucking professional nfl nba major league baseball team uh here's the ropes here's the guy here's the two-hour class mandatory take it and then move and then move on i just because of just the enormous benefits and the super duper what appears to be lack of injury. Yeah, well, I think you're not going to get fucking hurt doing this. No, definitely won't get hurt doing it. I think that that that kind of thing that you're speaking of, I think that that's the opportunity that will happen with a little bit more time and popularity of it. happen with a little bit more time and popularity of it right now it's not um right now it's like okay i'm gonna go work with uh you know derrick millender from cleveland cavaliers because you know we met and it was you know yeah it was through mark bell i think and and i i have a number of inventions and one of them is is a soul I saw that too. Those are the pieces of wood.

Yes. And, and there's, we're coming out with a weck deck that like is a gym version where it's, you know, it's bigger, but it's an exceptional surface that, that basically it teaches you how to support and suspend your body weight, marrying the power of the skeleton with the soft tissue so that you're able to put forward intent into the foot. Whoop. You still there? I am here. Yeah, there it is. I don't have my glasses on. I just saw the thing turn on. Oh no. But so basically it puts you on

a pitch that allows you to now harness your bone structure without collapsing to learn how to perch yourself more forward in the foot. And so you can take weight out of your heel and start to spring your skeleton with this thing. And I'll tell you a great story. Jose Vasquez from the Texas Rangers, they were in spring training, and it was about three weeks ago. They're getting toward the end of spring training. He had purchased the deck and the steps, and he's like, he texts me. He's like, hey, can you overnight me four more sets of the steps?

Because the players are absolutely loving them. So we overnighted him more and then i just saw that someone else in their organization just placed another order like today no last week so it's uh you know the stuff is growing and i think i i'm bringing stuff to market that's just different. So it's coming from this tremendous opportunity of all this time to study and study and study and take chances and figure things out that other people haven't had the time to do. Because if you have the burden of having to deliver the cohesive session, you can't come in scratching your head going, huh, let's try this today. And if it works, we're better. And if it doesn't, well, sorry, guys, like that, that doesn't fly. So I just got some Robin Williams. I just got some Robin Williams.

And no one write that in the comments and act like you took credit for it. Oh, I thought when I saw him, I saw Robin Williams, too. Fuck you. I just saw him. He's an actor. He's morphing in front of us hey what let me ask you this crazy question what do you think about those what do you think about standing on neat on a bed of nails like i have these beds of nails oh yeah what do you think about that yeah i got them right here. Oh, wow. Yeah. Iatar. Wow. These things are great. What I do is I put them on my sole steps, and so I get the pitch and the bed of nails.

Wow. I love the bed of nails. I think that they're fantastic. I have these crazy wooden ones I had to order from Russia. What are those called? Those ones called these are um i atar are those are the that's you can get those in the u.s yeah i ordered them they're uh they're like 350 bucks i think and oh yeah they're not cheap right yeah the good ones

aren't cheap and these are like i don't, it's like brass and copper or something like that. And they're very, very sharp. They're very precise. And, you know, what I like about them is that they stimulate the nerves in your feet. And I had incurred some nerve damage in one of my toes. It was almost like a Morton's neuroma. From the snicker bars? From the snicker bars? No, no, none of that got me. I didn't have to amputate, but, um,

I had injured my foot. I had slammed it down on a very sharp edge with, you know, full force plus intent. And it created like a nerve damage, right my second toe, between the second toe and third toe, right at that junction where the toe meets the foot. Extremely painful. everything and sort of take that overload of neural stimulation and sort of almost spread out the acute damage so that it it aided me in getting over that acute pain by i just like turning on everything these and and a good way to do them in the beginning is you wear your socks and it's amazing how much of a buffer that gives you. And then you can put, like, you can lay a paper towel on there. Right. Or two paper towels. Right. Right. Because I think that you want to progress on these things smart. And the very first time you do it,

like I did it for 90 seconds. And the only reason I was on it for 90 seconds is because my friend was like, you have to do it for 90 seconds but i i wanted to get off those things in in less than nine seconds do you do do you ever do the mat where you lay i i do this thing on the mat periodically i did it yesterday uh i um i do this thing yep yep okay you got it all right yep and i purposely do it so that i won't fall asleep. And so I can just, I can just do energy body. Right. So I can use it for stimulus that I won't cause if I lie down and just start

just focusing on my breath, I'll fucking doze off. And no matter how hard I try to stay awake. So, but that thing will keep me crazy focused for like 20 minutes. It's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I, i i i love these things i think that you know that the physical is sort of you know we are in the physical and so that we can manipulate the physical to to get at the inner parts and the you know the the mind and the soul right so i i'm big into those manipulations as you know, I think if you're curious and you want to age well, then these are natural things that you would explore. I know. Why does I'm so surprised how few people do that or they or they try to poo poo it.

Yeah, I mean, the poo pooing stuff like I. Like I, I, Chris Chamberlain, again, you know, my, my, the director of programming for Weck Method, this guy is amazing. And he really, he's the one who really said, look, you should never bash any tool because it's just a tool. Right. So even a Suzanne Summer Thighmaster, you can find something useful to do with it. I'm not saying squeeze your thighs, but you can find something, right? Right. So, and in a pinch, I mean, you know, duct tape, some rubber bands, some glue, I mean, a thumbtack, that might save your life if you're creative, right?

So the tool usage and what I say to people now when they make a stupid comment about the BOSU ball, which is still every day, is I say, man, hammers, they suck. Because every time I wash my window with the hammer, it breaks. Therefore, hammers suck. Well said. Hey, that's a great metaphor. Isn't it? Yeah, it's a great metaphor.

It's a perfect example. Hey, do you have a book no i'm actually was just talking about yesterday you know writing writing a or some books i think i'm gonna finally sit down and do that yeah how many kids do you have again i have two kids a daughter and a son and how old fit uh 15 gonna be 16 this month and then 14 oh that's cool daughter's 15 my son is 14 that's cool do you have a girlfriend I don't have a girlfriend at the moment you're single yes I am what do you think about starting a relationship does that is that sounds scary as shit like I can't I'm married but I can't imagine starting a relationship at 51.

Yeah, I think for me, it would it has to be organic and it has to dovetail very smooth. So time is precious to me. So I would not get in a relationship with someone who needs a bunch of, you know, extra other time. It would have to be like dovetail time. Like you love my work and you love training in this way. And, you know, you're sort of, you know, dovetailing perfectly into my life and I'm not having to shape change myself to, you know, to cater to the demands or needs of someone in a relationship. So I'm very selfish

in that sense. You know, some of my best friends in my life have been guys that play Frisbee because I used to play a ton of Frisbee and I, so I used to like, you know, um, wake up in the morning, uh, uh, drink coffee and then, um, smoke weed all day and drink alcohol and go to the beach and hit on girls and play Frisbee. And I would do that for hours and hours. And my best friends were also in that scene, right? The smoking weed, the drinking, and just playing tons and tons of frisbee and maybe going to the rec center at the university and working out and getting some racquetball in. And if someone was, if someone didn't play frisbee, they might, they might, I might never be friends with them and i was okay with that and there was this notion that using people was wrong but but it got such a bad rap but i but it's it's like

birds that fly south for the winter or or um or birds that fly north for the summer it's like hey those are your friends because you're on the same schedule as them and you have the same passions of them and it's okay it's okay i'm not saying you throw the guy away if he breaks his wrist and can't play frisbee anymore you just throw him away but but but it's okay to um uh this this i want to be used well for me i'm 51 years old i want people to use me that's how i get value out of life i want to be used. I'm not 13 or those people are just using me. Well, I mean, you want to be useful, right? Yes. I want to be very useful. Yes. Yeah. Right. Yes. And for me, for me, legacy is what's important to me. And that's my family is my work. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And a relationship that would augment that,

you know, to have someone who, you know, a beautiful woman who, you know, really wants to explore movement and then teach movement. That would that would have to happen organically. I'm not going to go online and say, oh, you know, do you love to. Right, right, right. But, you know, and, you know, when and if it happens, then then it does. But I have like I get I get like I've lived a lot in my life. So, you know, in New York City, I was in New York City from 92 to 2002, 22 years old to 32 years old. And I did so much living in those 10 years that like I like I'm a boring guy now like I all I want to do is just work and spend time with my family and that's literally all I want to do

like there's nothing else that I care to do so you know touring the world and doing all this stuff like that it's just I don't need to do those things no me neither me neither and you're you're you are in theoretic especially if you're in north county i mean you're one of the nicest well i guess you're not north county if you're by petco but you are definitely one of the nicest areas on planet earth if anyone hasn't been to san diego although the people some of the people they're fucking it up from from the... Dump truck and shovel away all the drug addicts. From an atmospheric standpoint, San Diego is very, very nice. Like 72, sunny, not humid, no mosquitoes.

Okay, right. Like that's... You pay the sunshine tax, but I am here because of the climate. That is why I am in San Diego. Before I head off, I must ask you this very important question that one of the people in the audience has a regular morning listener of mine. I call the mine of mine. This person is definitely I don't own this person. I call the mine of mine. This person is definitely, I don't own this person. They want to ask you this.

This is from what I believe is a 67-year-old woman. David Weck, when is the last time you've cried? Oh, geez. That's a great question. Thank you. Well, it's funny because I just had a dream last night where I was crying in the dream. I'm trying to think. The last time I cried, it wasn't that long ago that I cried.

It's not that long ago. I can cry for different reasons. I can cry for joy and gratitude and just it brings me to tears moves me to tears yeah um and then I can have that you know big cathartic cry where you know it's just the you know just yeah but I've in my dream and you know dreams are evasive if you don't capture them right away. But I was crying in my dream last night, and it wasn't a happy cry. I was crying. And I can't remember the circumstances around it. But I think of Big Lebowski.

Strong men also cry. Strong men also cry. I haven't had a cathartic cry since I got fired from my job at CrossFit. But the most common reason I cry today is when I start thinking about my kids, how much I love them. And I'll just feel some tears roll out. Yes. Those are like, that's the joyful gratitude. Yeah.

Like, holy shit, I'm lucky. Yes. Yes. Exactly joyful gratitude. Yeah. Like, holy shit. I'm lucky. Yes. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Brother. I'm so glad I met you. I don't think this is going to be the last time we talk.

I hope to send you some video very soon in the next month or two of my extraordinary children and myself doing the rope flow. Okay, that's perfect. Yes. And I mean, listen, to the extent that you have, you know, the doers out there, the CrossFitters who are an audience of yours, I would encourage anyone just persevere through the frustration of learning these patterns patterns because once you onboard the patterns, you can make the rope as intense a workout as you want or not intense. And it upgames you for everything else that you do. If you want to play softball on the weekend, you'll be better at softball on the weekend. And we are launching a rope called the hybrid rope it's another invention of mine that is we'll be launching it soon we're finishing the

last details of production but it is elastic with a regular and then an elastic and so it has elastics that now you're working with that centrifugal force and you can jump it. It's like the most intense double under trainer that you'll ever feel. But you can also roll this thing for high intensity exercise with no impact. And so that's coming soon. Awesome. Yeah. And go to Home Depot.

Don't wait to buy mine, right? Just get a rope in your hands and learn the four patterns. Awesome. David Weck, I know our paths are going to cross again. I look forward to chatting with you again, brother. Likewise. Thank you so much, Devin. I really appreciate it.

Ciao. Ciao. This dude has a beautiful mind. You guys are a handful sometimes. You guys are a handful. I really enjoyed him. I really, really, really, really enjoyed him. That's a cool dude.

Yeah, I think he's a cool cat, too. He's wild. Seven. Yes, he calls me Seven. At least, you know, I think most people are just probably just afraid to even try my name, right? Yeah, crazy energy. I'm Sevan's unruly cable. Oh, that thing?

God, you're a douche well that asshole i just finally get it what you mean by seven's unruly cable god you're a douche no no travis he did not listen how do you not have a ceo shirt yet how are you crazy my favorite is the black with the gold but this camo is tight too i thought i was going to try the 80 pound dumbbell for 10 yesterday i really did think i was going to speaking of dumb things to do i hurt hurt myself doing that. I'm blaming you guys. Uh, seven, uh,

not too tired, right? You did not speak once, speak once about what I spoke a little, the show told some stories. Seven. Don't read the chat. Don't tell me what to do.

Philip Kelly. What's up? Philip. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, uh, half the listeners understood the show yesterday with Hiller when it came to that six inches or parallel.

I don't think half the people understood that they kind of didn't fuck up the training. If you went over and read, and I give myself crazy pat on the back for figuring out that it should have been or. And then we went over and read what they wrote and it wasn't or. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, you have to see the show yesterday. I knew right away, I'm like, they would not post this claiming that to be parallel. And that's not what they were claiming. It was just written wrong. Hiller was absolutely right.

Their media team completely fucked up. Someone should have seen that and caught that and been like hey that that's not working but um because your video in the writing is always going to get separated i guess there's a good lesson there from all of us the write-up in the video is always going to get separated i wouldn't say hillar fucked up completely sean crossford didn't fuck that up hillar did i wouldn't say his air his his misunderstanding was totally fair totally fair um and once again hey dude it goes back to what brian and hillar and all these guys are saying hey there's an inconsistency. Are you using pounds or kilos?

Is it six inches in parallel or is it six inches or parallel? I mean, someone has to give a fuck. Is this a boy or is this a girl? So in that regard, big picture, I'm glad Hiller made the video. Anyway, that was a really, I really enjoyed doing that show yesterday. Looking at three pieces of content and just fucking going hard in the paint with them. That was cool. All right.

Skate camp, going to skate park for three hours. Pretty excited. David, always good to see you, brother. Hope you're doing good. Trish, always good to see you. Philip Kelly, also good to see you. Brendan Waddell, good to see you. Dick Butter, good to see you. Robbie Myers, good to see you. Robbie Myers, it was still a mistake. They need grammar lessons. Something. I don't know if grammar is the right word, but yeah, it was still a mistake. I agree. It was still a mistake. They need grammar lessons.

Something. I don't know if grammar is the right word, but yeah, it was still a mistake. I agree. Christine Young. Hi. Devesh Maharaj. Hi. Hey.

Have the boys do rope flow on the slack walk. Woo. On one foot. I got this other device I haven't shown you guys yet. It's made by Toe Spacer. And you balance on it. It's a you guys yet. It's made by Toe Spacer, and you balance on it. It's a board with springs. It's a trip. I've been standing on it every day and having the kids stand on it.

I don't know if you guys also know. I'm going to actually make the video again. I have a board of nails like that. I have two boards of nails like that, and one time I had Avi do a pistol on it, which was pretty crazy. All right. I will see you guys either with a surprise show this evening. I'm trying to talk Brian into doing a Frisbee show. Or I will see you guys tomorrow.

Don't forget about the UFO guy we have coming on Monday. That show is going to be crazy, I think. Daniel Arson, if I meet Seban one day, I've arrived. I don't disagree. Okay. I never leave. You're going to have to, I'm like a bird that only flies in one little pattern. Bye-bye.