The Sevan Podcast - Andre Houdet | CrossFit Wonder Coach #1015

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

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you hear me zach what's up saber slater can you guys hear me oh good that means good will says good morning does that mean he can hear me i got a new uh roadcaster it's it's crazy i don't want to say anything bad about this company, but here it goes anyway. I think I've bought probably 10 of these between the one I bought for Caleb, the one I bought for myself. Sousa has one, and then I've probably gone through like six. And every time there's at least one thing wrong with these things. Now, hey, can you hear me, Andre? Yeah, I hear you. You hear me?

Oh, awesome. Yeah, crazy. Perfect. I wonder if the audience you hear me, Andre? Yeah, I hear you. You hear me? Oh, awesome. Yeah, crazy. Perfect. I wonder if the audience can hear me. I hope so. I got a new one of my, I have a, during the podcast, people can call in. And that line that they could call in on, I was having like a little glitch. Like it would go. And this piece of equipment that takes in the phone calls cost 700 bucks and i was like okay instead of like sending it back to them i'm just gonna

buy a new one and then like probably sell that one for cheap like two or three hundred bucks to someone and tell them hey the phone line's broken well i got a new one and my new one's broken too oh damn i know so now it's like well now i gotta send it back right yeah i mean there's worse problems right there must be some yeah oh yes yes there must be some phrase in um in danish that's like so so is life or something right perhaps perhaps um i wouldn't know i don't speak that much danish what i mean go ahead now you go i mean i speak fluent danish but at home we speak uh we speak english together and with my parents it's french with my daughter it's it's danish she's she's one year old so

we're trying to teach her some danish is is your first language um people who are born in denmark their first language is danish though right like everyone is talking to you in danish yeah exactly but because it's such a small country you know everyone learns english at a very early age and we don't have anything dubbed and all the tv and songs are you know primarily in english so you know even my grandmother speaks pretty pretty pretty perfect English. Not that I, not that I do, but we at least do for, for a second language. I think we, we do a pretty good job. And, um, you trained with, uh, Frederick Agidius, right? I've never really trained that much with him. We, we played american football in the same club and we also played the same position and so i moved up to the to kind of his he's i think eight years older than me or something like that so he is he's that much older than you yeah i think he's like 36 or 37 and i'm 29 so

we never really got to play together yeah Yeah. But he, he played in the same club. So towards like the last couple of years where I played, we, we start doing some off season CrossFit. And at this point he was already doing a lot of CrossFit and was with Annie and was pretty famous. And, and so we, we started doing some CrossFit and he was kind of helping the team out with it. And that's also one of the ways I got introduced to it. So, yeah. team up with it and that's also one of the ways i got introduced to it so yeah and the reason why i bring him up because his english he almost he doesn't even there's a couple of you guys over there and frederick's danish right yeah 100 his um his english he doesn't he sounds like he's american and i know mads isn't um danish oh is mads Danish? Living in... Yeah, I think he's Danish. Yeah. His English is crazy. He sounds like he just felt he's from California. Yeah, he has incredible languages.

Like he can also, like in all the Scandinavian languages, it sounds like he can master all of them. They're pretty similar, but it's still a pretty big task to be able to speak, you know, perfect Norwegian and Swedish and Danish. Yeah. It's crazy. There's gotta be something about that language. You never hear a Russian who has like, sounds like they're from the U S there's gotta be something that some academic could explain that like, Hey,

Danish people in English, somehow the way the languages are set up. When you hear Americans speak Danish, can they trick you into thinking that they're danish no i don't think so all right all right danish is also such a such a difficult language and odd language like pronunciation wise so it's like a really tricky language to learn to sound danish i mean a lot of people can learn it but it's it's just difficult to make it sound like you're a local. But I think the reason why we speak more American English is because we have more American... The US produces more movies and music, and we consume that compared to the UK or British English. There's just less coming into the country from their side.

I don't know why. I mean, they're also way smaller than you guys. I don't want you to take any of this personally. Fuck these guys. But they're already chiming in. Heidi's saying cancel the tea because she can hear you swallowing. Swallow away. I love swallowing.

Swallowing is great. But what I find a little disconcerting here, Andre, is that she thinks you're drinking tea. I feel like that that's an attack on your character that she would assume it's tea. Or maybe not an attack, but just a judgment. Can you confirm it's tea or coffee? It's coffee. Ah, yeah. Fuck you, Heidi.

Sorry. I apologize. Sometimes I have to fight with my friends. I know. I tell my kids not to fight when the guests are around. Going back to where you live, I want to show you this. Is this really what it's like? Or is this you just trying to like flex on us? Is this really what it's like where you live? Yeah. No shit. That's you train in that. Yeah, I mean, that's that's'm, my, my home is covered by fields and that particular field that you're looking at right now, they, they do that like every third year. It's, I don't know what it's called in English, but it's like a, a sort of oil, rap seed oil.

They have like some sort of cycle between, you know, different types of corn and production in order to not ruin the soil. And every third year, it's that. So, yeah, it's really beautiful. That's amazing. That is great. That is your – so how far is your actual – are you sitting where you're sitting right now close to that field? Yeah. I mean, that particular field is just 400 meters down the road but we have fields all around the house there's like three houses on the whole

street it's like two kilometers so it's it's it's pretty remote where i live to be honest let me ask you some uh some some hippie stuff what about them spraying on those fields and you living by that? Like that affecting your water and you and breathing that in. Do they spray poisons on those fields? They probably do. And I think that's just part of the game. Part of life. Yeah.

I mean, I think Denmark has pretty strict regulations on those things. We're very strict on a lot of things. Tell me something. Is anything pop in your head that you guys are really strict on that we would laugh at, that we could laugh at? I mean, I'm from California. It's going to be hard to be stricter than us. Do you guys allow stealing? We allow stealing. No. I mean, yeah. I feel like a lot of things are illegal here and we're pretty strict with things, but nothing really comes to my head okay you like living there you think you're gonna stay there that's home for you yeah yeah 100 i've lived in

paris i've lived in dubai i have lived in michigan and so i've lived lived a few different places and um this is definitely the place I'm going to stay. I mean, yeah, I'm very proud to be Danish. I'm also half French, so I have dual citizenship. And yeah, Denmark is an amazing country. Great welfare, great healthcare system, education system. It's very safe. It's very small, so it's very accessible. It's very international.

Like you go to a cafe in Copenhagen, you'll most likely have somebody who will offer you coffee in English and it's not, you know, speaking Danish. And I like that we have a lot of different cultures like that. I think it's good for you. Yeah, I agree. And it's small but still has farmland. Yeah, it's only 5 million people.

Like compared to the Netherlands, I think they have like 17 million. And they have a country that's, I think, one third of the size of ours. So we have maybe not a big country for the amount of people. I mean, compared to Sweden, they have double as many people. But they have, I mean, maybe tenfold the size of the country. Right, right. You're born there. Are your parents farmers?

How do you end up living in a field? How do you end up living in fields? Are your parents farmers? No, I've never even been out here before we purchased the house here. I've never even been out here before we purchased the house here. We always just had this dream, me and my fiance, to live in the countryside because we wanted to have a place where we could do all the things that we love to do. Have a training facility where we could coach people and have an office where we can operate our company out of. A place with a big garden where our kids or a kid can play play games and sports and run around our dog can run around maybe grow some of our own vegetables and just generally

speaking have peace um and as we work remotely primarily there was no point of you know for the same amount of money living in a 75 square meter apartment in inside of copenhagen with a one square meter bathroom you know out here we have almost 500 square meter house and three and a half thousand square meters uh ground i don't know what that's equivalent to in in foot but in in this country that's that's that's a pretty big big place and because of the country is really small it's only one hour from city center so whenever i need to go to copenhagen you know it's only one hour and my family lives there so it's also it's also not so far away so there was this was kind of the best middle ground we could have between

oh your house is huge your house is huge that's 5300 uh square feet in the United States. In my neighborhood, that would be a fucking $10 million home. That would be crazy. I don't even see 5,300. And I kind of live in the country too. That's nuts. Wow. And what is your vocation?

What do you do? What jobs do you have out there? Are you a farmer? No, I'm a coach. Full-time. I coach CrossFitters. Full-time. I knew that.

I just wanted to ask you if you're a farmer. I'm a former athlete. Yeah, yeah. What an interesting journey you took. And so that is full-time for you. And they come out there to you. That's why it's important for you to have space and room. They come out to you.

For training camps, yeah. We don't have like any on-site athletes that live here or train like daily out here. But we host – I think last year we hosted maybe five or six training camps out of the home here. We also have like a 75 square meter apartment upstairs where we have five bedrooms. Sorry, not five bedrooms. We have basically like two rooms and there's five beds. So next weekend we're hosting, or two weekends, we're hosting our first training camp of the 224 kind of season and there we have six athletes sleep at the house and be able to train at the facility

so on a daily basis we don't have any and i'm not sure if we're going to but for now we just use the the training camp format and that works really well um and the name of the training program is no Shortcuts. Yeah, No Shortcuts Training. And how long has that been around? It's been around three years, but my fiance and I started our first coaching company doing the same as we do now in 2015.

And that was called Trainity. And that was our first programming brand. And that later evolved to to no circus training in 2020 when we moved back to denmark so it's three years of that but it's eight years of of running you know programming company coaching train train and c trainity that was the oh train and t okay well hey anyone out there i just came up with another Train and see. Train and see. That was the first. Oh, train and see. Okay, well, hey, anyone out there, I just came up with another good one then.

I like mine too. Train and see, right? Train and see what happens. It's short for train and then see what happens. Train and see. That could be one of your modules, train and see. Yeah, it could be a side project. Yes.

You have so much time for side projects oh you talked you talked about dividing your time between um being an athlete being a father and being a coach and have you have you removed athlete from that um i i wouldn't say athlete i would just more say like sports i i would not consider myself an athlete if i'm not competing and if i'm not training to compete that's if i'm not if athlete is not the number one thing that i do then i wouldn't say that i'm perhaps a an athlete but i mean depends on how how you look at it. I'll still be training a couple hours every single day or six days a week.

And I'll still be getting better at CrossFit and fitter overall. But I'm not gonna be putting, for now at least, more time than that into it. And it's not a primary goal. So training is the third priority on the list do you do you have a competition itch do you have a goal that you don't speak out loud like okay watch when i'm 40 what i'm gonna do uh i'm extremely competitive um and

it doesn't need to be in sports for me like right now it's with you know building no shortcuts training and and being a good leader in that company and and trying to provide the best coaching that that is out there available and uh and that comes with pushing myself to learn more and and to build a good team around me that can that can help with that mission so i don't have a competition goal per se where i participate myself but my number one goal is to help the the athletes that i work with do the best they can do and achieve their goals from from over here the you know the limited knowledge we see or the time we have to put into athletes and people in the community everyone would just i think sees you as a uh you were two-time games athlete oh bye andre sorry welcome welcome back to the show

um were you are you two times games athlete andre i'm two times individual and then i've qualified once on team and i've been once on team so i have four qualifications and three participations okay and i so i think you're most well known at least in the circle that i run in as an team and I've been once on teams. I have four qualifications and three participations. Okay. And I, so I think you're most well-known at least in the circle that I run in as an individual athlete, uh, specifically very strong, great at the Olympic lifts and a ton of, and a ton of potential. And then you kind of, you not kind of, you stepped out and you started coaching. And I think the way you're so sure of yourself and the way you present yourself. And I think also in the cleanliness of your movements. You've climbed quickly in terms of people having respect for you and your potential now as a coach.

But before we go into that, at the tip of the spear isn't the only place you hang out. You have crazy street creds. You have a client that you help lose 280 pounds. Yeah. Muhammad. Yeah, that's amazing. And there's another picture where you're at the beach with him. Can you tell me about that journey?

When a guy shows up at your gym weighing 530 pounds, he came out to the farm? He came out to the fields? No, this is when I lived in Dubai. I lived in Dubai for three years. So I worked in a gym called Inner Fight. And we had a lot of amazing clients. And Mohamed was one of them. And he came in with the goal of losing weight and he was weighing you know over 500 pounds and could barely even walk wear shoes or anything like that and i was very fortunate to be able to

to be part of his journey and helping him you know get a more normal life by by losing weight and reducing training and fitness and it was it was a really great journey to be part of for for the couple of years where i was there and it was just amazing to see how he found a love for sports and he actually had a lot of also natural talent i mean from carrying around so much body weight you just build a lot of strength so as he was losing you know hundreds and hundreds of pounds he he was just moving really like well and powerful. And, uh, and it was just amazing to see how, how happy that made him and, and how the other things in his life also started changing, became more social and yeah, just,

you know, got more creative, more hobbies otherwise that he could not have done. Cause just when you weigh over 500 pounds you know you just you're just you can't really do much so he was so he had so much extra weight on him that he couldn't put shoes on is basically what you're saying his feet were fat yeah exactly it's it's crazy uh yeah can you tell me about his first day when he comes in and was any part what how did you grow as a coach? Was any part of you like, fuck, I don't want to deal with this. This isn't what I do.

No, no. I mean, if you're a coach, you love helping people getting from A to B. That's part of it. It doesn't matter if it's somebody who wants to win the CrossFit Games or lose weight. I mean, now I have more focus on people who compete in crossfit but when i started out as a coach it was you know the regular joes and there's that's not worse or better than the other it's you know everyone is on their own journey and helping him was was really incredible and the first day he came in you know it was just mostly a chat and getting to know him and this slow start.

And with time, we build also friendship. And that also just helps that process and him trusting me more and, you know, wanting to come more and wanting to do more. And that just helped that weight loss process a lot. How about going the opposite direction? Was any part of you, you're saying you're very competitive. Was any part of you when you walked in, you're oh god i hope i get him like i could do some this is what a fucking challenge because you basically you made a new human being going from 500 to 250 is like i mean you're you're you're not the same person

no no that's that's 100 true um yeah definitely it's with with everything that comes in it's always a challenge and when you're a competitive person you know you combine competitiveness with passion for helping others then yeah i think that's the perfect combo in in helping people so yeah it was a great challenge and I loved being a part of it. Andre, what's his first workout? His first workout. A guy who walked 530 pounds. What do you do for the first workout?

I mean, at this point, he couldn't even stand up for long periods of time. So we need to start with something where he was seated. That was anything we could be as creative as possible with. that was anything we could be as creative as possible with. It was like seated skiing and seated banded exercises and seated dumbbell exercises. Actually a little bit like, you know, with adaptive athletes in the wheelchair. I took some inspiration from them. You know, what kind of exercise can you do

if you're sitting down? And then it was just about making it fun and making it progressive. So that next time he came, maybe we were going a little bit further on the ski or we were lifting a little bit heavier so that he could feel that, oh man, I could actually do a little bit more today. Maybe his, his muscle tissue and neurological system hadn't adapted already from day to day, but I could start him, you know, maybe 5% less at a less, lesser level than he actually could perform at.

And then like that, we could every week, you know, advance it instead of having him start at what he was a hundred percent capable of. And then we could not really advance that much week after week. We were able to just start a little bit lower and then keep the momentum for longer periods of time. Hey, I hear lots of stories it's crazy how common this story is where someone who is you know 100 pounds overweight 200 pounds overweight they pull up to the crossfit gym they're in their car and then they drive away and then they pull up again and they're in the

parking lot and then they drive away and then you hear one day a coach is like yo and walks out to their car and they're like dude come inside and i remember greg telling me he had a client that i think was over 200 pounds overweight and the very first the first workout was getting them out of the car walk them to the gym sit them down talk to with them for 20 minutes and then walk them back to their car and it was like you were saying like muhammad could barely walk right he could barely stay on his feet yeah did he does he have a story like that where he didn't want to come in or he was scared do you remember anything about that yeah yeah he did his sisters were training in the gym so they have been trying to convince him for long periods of time and they were quite fit and uh yeah and then they're like hey i think andre would be a good fit for you and because

the the place where where i worked it was a lot of big intimidating men and women these big tons of buffed yeah great beautiful people yeah like you know they made me definitely look like a little kid and all some of them were games athletes you know even the girls like mia heskett was working there carmen bossman's phil heskett it was just you know hardcore people and intimidating for anybody oh yeah definitely like in the place called inner fight with the slogan show no weakness you know it's a it's it can be intimidating but I think it's also that intimidation that kind of, you know, brings attention to the brand and why people are keen on like learning more

about it. Yeah, I think so too. It's a, it's a, it's a crazy balance, but I think that's an important one. People should never forget the people who do CrossFit like it cause it's

hard and they, and they want to excel and they want adaptation and they want change and they don't want to waste time. They want to get down to business. And I mean, I think everybody chases that. To have a good life, I don't think you can have a good life without doing something difficult almost every day. Like I have like a rule. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I want to try to do something difficult every day.

And it can be anything, you know, it can be pushing a little harder in the workout or doing something that's boring, but necessary, or, you know, reading a bit more doing some things that are just, it doesn't need to be a huge thing, but needs to be a small thing. It can also be taking a cold dip in the ocean or just do something that's difficult, because only through difficulty, think you can find, you can get a meaningful feeling. You know, I think instead of chasing things that are fun on a daily basis, like watching something that's fun, I mean, that's nice as well, but fun, I don't think it's very superficial, but difficulty overcoming that, that's a whole nother level. And that's what makes you feel truly good and uh yeah enough story well i i interview a lot of people who have never done anything difficult all they've done is crossfit they've never done anything well they've done physically

difficult things they've never done anything mentally difficult. And because of that, talking to them is completely fucking – it's like talking to a fucking bag of cotton balls. You don't think that's mentally difficult? CrossFit. It is, but it's in such a narrow domain. It's in such a narrow place. Let me give you an example. As opposed to someone who has a kid who didn't know where they were going to get every meal every night, and their dad was beating their mom. Now they have a survival challenge. Yeah. And you talk to them and you're like, oh, this person's got some depth. They've had to make some room. The circumstances of life have brought them into something that they're forced to face.

That's what I mean. Go ahead. But don't you think you can have depth without having experienced those things? Do you think you have to go through those things in order to have it? Or could you learn it from speaking to people or reading books? No, I don't. I think when you talk – no. I would be curious what you think. in order to have it? Or could you learn it from speaking to people or reading books or? No, I don't. I think when you talk, no, I, I'll be curious what you think. I think when you talk to those people who've learned depth, as opposed to been forced to go there, it is a, um, it's like talking to someone. I mean, I'm not saying that there's not value there. Like if someone's

read every book on roller coasters and they talk to you about roller coasters they may be very eloquent in talking about the twists and turns and the g forces but you talk to some someone who's been on all the best roller coasters in the world and they're going to give you they're going to emote some shit you know what i mean and do you think it's the same with coaches yeah do you think you think you have to have been an athlete to be a good coach i don't know about that but i did think of something you were saying when you said you're still really competitive. I thought, wow, that means that your. Athletes have to perform for you and they feel an accountability to you because they don't want to be fucking up your program or your reputation. And in my brain

some people would think that's unhealthy i think that's very healthy yeah i think you know what i mean you should want to perform for someone i think it's a people like oh you should just want to do it for yourself you should just want to do yourself i think that's important but i also think that when you show up on game day um like I think it's good to want to impress someone. Yeah. And I mean, if you look at kids and sports, I mean, you always want to impress your coach or your teammates. And I don't think there's a problem with that. I think as long as you're intrinsically driven, then it's a plus when you know you're accountable to your coach.

And I think that's exactly why people hire a coach. It's because they want to be having to be also accountable to them because it's not that they don't have discipline to be accountable, but it just helps that process. And if it helps the process, it would be a disadvantage not to use it. I was jumping rope with my sons the other day and i was doing um we were doing just sets of 100 with the jump rope and and then rest and then do another set of 100 and we were doing 10 rounds and i anytime i sense myself getting lazy or not

chest up or anything i wouldn't have cared if it was by myself but with him there i wanted him to sense no weakness i wanted him to sense some things that you taught intention discipline focus you know what i mean i don't talk i look forward i i turn it on i perform for him of what so that he can emulate i feel the pressure of being a father and i like it i'm and i love it i fucking. Yeah. I think having kids makes parents better people for sure. Like you want to impress your kids. You want to be a good leader for them. Or at least I think you should.

It's not sure that everybody does that, but you should. And I think it's the same as when you have a coach. And I think that's also why it's important that you can be very close with your coach. That can be an incredible bond but it's not a friendship you know for for us and i definitely try to not break that line between you know it's coach and athlete you're hired for a job and and and your your job is to help them get to their goals and you can build an incredible bond and you can spend a lot of time together and you can have a really good emotional bond with them but you don't call them mate bro friend uh homie uh

and you don't you always talk to them in a professional way and you also in return want them to talk in a professional way to you so there's always a bit of distance that's never broken. And I think that's key for the coach to do their job so that when the athlete is at the competition and they ask themselves the question, am I ready? Have I done enough? The coach is there to answer that question and say, yes, you are. And because it's not your friend or your girlfriend or your boyfriend, it's your coach. You trust when he says or she says you're ready you trust that decision because that bond has never you've never broken that

bridge between you know being a coach or friend to to the athlete what a fucking great conversation so So let me bring this up. Is that one of the, would you be hesitant to let someone stay at the facility for longer than a training camp because of that? So that that intimacy wouldn't form? No. Have you ever talked to?

Yeah, no, I wouldn't. No? No, I wouldn't. I think Ben Bergeron has alluded to the fact, I should have him back on and ask him this, that if he could do it again, maybe he wouldn't have gotten as close with Katrin. I'm just totally making that up from stuff I've read in, but that maybe having her stay at the house was too much. Now, he hasn't said that. I'm thinking maybe he alluded that.

Have you ever spoke to him about that? Because he builds some intimate bonds. It's clear he's very close with her, with Cole S and then of course there's the couples too i'm not i'm not pushing back i'm just exploring then there's the couples too right frederick and annie um shane and um uh mistia there's there's the there's the couples also i mean you could even say um sammy and uh matt not that sammy was his coach but but she was involved in his nutrition and she was there for all of it. Is there a place that those fit in? Or you just think that those are just outliers? between when it's game time and when it's not game time or when it's the coach hat on and when's the girlfriend or boyfriend or friend hat on um and and yeah i definitely just for me it's it's easy to have that space in between and i also always encourage them to bring their girlfriend or

boyfriend to the competitions or um to events in the future i mean i currently haven't been out with any athletes after like coaches past coach um that's something i'll be doing going forward so i've only been there as like i'm competing myself and i'm helping them when i'm not competing on the floor but they have their girlfriend or boyfriend there who provides all the emotional support which i am not there for. And I really love that balance. So the ideal situation is that I'm there with the coaching pass. I'm taking them through the warmups, the cool down strategy. We debrief the workouts. We have the tough conversations. Was this good enough? Was it not good enough? How are we going to make it better in the next event?

Those kinds of things without emotions, just pure, pure you know that we execute that we not execute there's there's no emotions tied in that situation it's just it's just practicality and then they have the girlfriend or the boyfriend they can then go to and then have you know their downtime between events there what about your wife did you coach your wife andre no but she has been my like number one support person throughout my whole, my whole career. So she hasn't been programming for me, but she has been, she has been able to also have the two hats on, you know, tell me when, you know, I should trust myself more and when I need to push harder and when I need to

go for it and when I don't need to. And, but at the same time, also been been there to give me a hug if it didn't work out. But we have always been really good at compartmentalizing feelings at events, which means that something goes doesn't go well then then the best thing to do is just take all the feelings and put them in a little box and then put them away and then open that box and not time because you're, you're in the middle of war, right? You don't want to,

you don't want to sit down and we don't. So we also don't talk about it. It's, it's like, okay, didn't go well enough. We know that we prepared as good as we could just move on. And then next event,

how do we attack this event even better? And so, yeah, you don't talk about it. And then next event, how do we attack this event even better? And, um, so yeah, you don't talk about it. Cause it, it, you see it as like an indulgence, like maybe drinking too much,

like you're just irrelevant. Hmm. It doesn't help the next event. It doesn't help the competition going forward. and if, you know, with all the athletes, we always have a saying it's,

it's zero, zero. It's, uh have a saying it's it's zero zero it's a after every event it's always it's zero zero it means it's it's a metaphor for you know scores are back to back to nil it's it doesn't matter if you you they're leading five goals ahead of you or you're five goals behind it's zero zero and you know especially when somebody does well when you know yellow comes at the semi-finals and he wins the first event there's no congratulations it's he just gets a message from me saying it's zero zero this means nothing because we we we want to keep the athletes you know if there's a spectrum of being super hyped and being super calm then we want to have them right in the middle and my job is to make sure that they stay in that

middle because we think they perform best we're in the middle in this hyped calm spectrum that's when they they can focus mostly when they're too hyped you know if you go in and win an event like you're hyped up it there's nothing you know and and you can use that as momentum but you definitely need to dial things down in order to go into the next event with the momentum of you know being positive because something good happened but not being you know overly positive because it essentially means nothing because it's only one event and you can blow it in the next event and so my job is just always to try to feel where that they are at in that spectrum and give them you know a hard not a hard time if if i see they're in one end

of the other but how can i place them in the middle and that's different from the different athletes you know some needs a hand on the shoulder that's a bit softer and and some needs you know to be to be roughed up a little bit more and and uh and that's just and that's a learning process i you know i haven't been working with all the athletes for an incredibly long time but the more i get to know them the more i can help them better i i hear you i hear you loud and clear everything you're saying makes sense mathematically functionally practically do i have an echo but um i i sometimes hear an echo i'm so frustrated with this roadcaster right now um i you see these athletes cross the finish line and explode, right?

Like a Josh Bridges or the Daniel Brandon, or there's just this expression that they have and the crowd goes crazy. Right. And you feel the authenticity of it, right? It's just like, it's like just excess burning of fuel. You know what I mean? It's like those dragster cars that where they shoot the flame out the, out the, the, the hood. But then you see these other athletes like Colton Mertens.

I'm like, yo, you excited? You just won an event at the CrossFit Games. And I'm like, what are you doing, dude? Are you excited? Are you pumped up? He's like, I'm just cool. I'm just staying chill. I don't know.

Maybe I'm just stuck in the fan of me, but I want to see, I want to see, um, uh, is it called emoting? I want to see an emotional, like,

um, outburst. I agree. You know what I mean? Like, I want to see a, I want to see a, like,

look up to the crowd and like, I fucking told you so. Or who wants to piece me? I'm number one. Even if they're in last place, I don't care. Like when Jack Farlow makes the lift, I want to hear crowd and like i fucking told you so or who i actually or i'm number one even if they're in last place i don't care like when jack farlow makes the lift i want to hear and be like yeah who's the strongest motherfucker here you know what i mean like i want to see it but i think that's important you do yeah i think okay yeah because you're not completely squash that no this is mostly in between this is okay okay okay so when when they're at the event

you know it's you you and especially if you do well like you should celebrate that and you should if you're not celebrating you need to start doing it because if you don't know how to celebrate the small wins in a one workout you're not going to know how to celebrate when you qualify for the crossfit games or when you win an event at the games and if you don't know how to celebrate those then you're not going to feel anything when you do really well and if you're not feeling anything then what the hell are you doing it for like it has to you know doing sports it's it's about passion right i i think everybody's doing because they're very passionate about it and i think it's important to express that not for the crowd not for the fans but for yourself

yeah because it's when you do when you you like I think every competitor has had that moment when they do something great and they just celebrate and just comes instinctively and they never forget that that moment and you know the moments i've had with that they can carry training for one year just to chase another moment like that and so i think that's why it's important so the calming down is mostly about just in between events you know we just want to make sure that they're focused they're not because when athletes are in the warmup area, they're all nervous. So, and this is, this is, I think the warmup area is where it happens. That's where the coach role is the most important because this is when it can all fall apart. Everybody's nervous, but some of

the athletes, they don't know that the other athletes are nervous. And they also don't know that it's normal, that they're nervous. So they think it's a problem. And so they make a problem out of it and maybe think, I'm not ready. And so if they don't have anybody there, who's there to tell them, hey, everybody's nervous here. I can tell you that because I've been there and I've spoken to a lot of them. So no matter how they carry themselves, it doesn't matter. I mean, then arguably, you can use a strategy to carry yourself really strongly, because just as much as the mind affects the body, the body affects the mind. So that's also one of the things you know, we look for is like, we want our guys to look

strong, even if they're not feeling strong, even if they're not confident about that event, they need to carry themselves like they're going to go in there and crush this event, and not crush it in terms of winning the event event but crush it in terms of just doing their best with their best strategy. I kind of lost the thread where we're going with this. Well, we're just talking about emotion, controlling emotion, using emotion. And yeah, and I like what you're saying. It's in between the events. Like, hey, you got to stay even keeled.

You can't be just turning to just a gelatinous sack of shit and be crying and throwing a pity party. It's like you said, it's zero, zero. Also because emotions are a poor dictator of anything. Say that again, a poor what? Emotions are a poor dictator of the – sorry, indicator, not dictator. Oh, okay. Indicator of the outcome. Like, you know, sometimes in training,

you can feel horrible in the warmup and you PB your snatch. Right. Sometimes you feel great and you don't PB. And so like, we always just, you know, try to explain people that it doesn't matter how you're feeling. That's irrelevant. That's also why I will never ask you how you're feeling because it's, that's not a question. The answer to that ask you how you're feeling because it's that's

not a question the answer to that question is not going to help us in any sort of way we are here we're here to do the job we're here to you know express that all the work you've been doing and so whether you're feeling great or not just like in training you've been feeling bad sometimes you can still go out there and have a great session and it's the same on the floor so regardless how you're feeling we're gonna go get the job done and that's also just an important reminder for for the athletes and it's something they need to be reminded of often because you just forget it because there's so many things that you're trying to to master when you're trying to be a crossfitter not just the physical but all the the mental

reminders um uh sean lenderman i wonder if matt torres is get his regrets getting so close to daniel brandon no i'll answer that unequivocally no he's very happy with the situation uh andre you know what i'm hearing from you that i'm making the presupposition that you want your athletes to do well, the best they can be. And that even in your coaching, you have intention. You're like, why would I ask you how you feel if I don't think that that question or that answer is going to get you further towards your goal? I have intention at all times, not only, and I've heard you explicitly say it in many videos and regarding your own personal training, but now I see it in your coaching, coaching. You're not, you're not

faking it. You've thought this out. You're watching. You're like, you've talked about the relationship. What's the best for, you're not indulging in the relationship. What's the best relationship I can have that will help them get to their goals. And then even, even like the words, the small talk that comes out of your mouth, why would I say, how are you feeling if it's not going to further yeah you're right i i yeah i thank you and i think i think a lot about these things like especially not only you think about them you have them in action yeah i try i try to make you know answers for any possible scenario that can happen so especially for warm warmup area and for post event, you know,

when they come out of the event and everything didn't go as planned and they're on the runner that didn't work at the semifinals, they're coming to the coach. That coach better have an answer ready. That's going to help that athlete for the coming events, because that's your job. Like what is the answer? I come to you. What is the answer i come to you what is the answer andre okay i'm your athlete andre my runner's fucked up my runner was going slower than the other

runners that's fucking bullshit and we start another event in 30 minutes this is fucked up oh it's out of our control so like it's out of our control would be the first thing. If it's a quick man failure, then my job is to make sure we speak to, to CrossFit about it, to see what I can do. But I mean, I would, I think the best, the best trick,

my sister, she's a psychologist. And so she also helps me a lot in, in how to both deal with, you know, like building a staff and also relationship and athletes. And, and, and one of the things she always taught me is like, rather ask questions than give answers. So if they come with an outburst, then instead of saying, you know, this is what you're going to do.

I mean, sometimes, of course, that is what I'm going to say. You're going to do this and so on. But sometimes the best is just to ask a question like what do you think is the best thing you can do right now what do you think is the solution like to to be super upset about it or just move on and crush the next event like what and and then because it gives some empowerment when they give the answer that's so if i can make them give me the answer that i wanted them to say then if they feel even more ownership of that decision rather than if i say you know yeah it's like if your parents say clean up your room when it's not clean right instead they could say do you like having a messy room like do you enjoy it just looking messy and you know you can't find your stuff and of course the

kids can say no why would i even like that well perhaps it would be then better to clean it up wouldn't it not then you should clean it up then wouldn't it be better and then the answer would be yes and then there you go that's then it's solved yeah i i love that i love that um were you do you think you were born um a good athlete or do you think you you earned it all or 50 50 or i definitely don't think i'm very gifted but i think i have i have very good work ethic and you know yeah i might my, she's in a wheelchair. So I think I've always felt that I should use my physical potential. I've like, I needed to carry her as a child

because I was the closest brother to her. So I always knew I wanted to be strong enough to carry her and also show her that she was no problem to lift around, that she was, it was easy. And also to show hey you know since you can't use your body the same way that a normal person can then i'm definitely gonna make sure that i take advantage of of the fact that i can and um and yeah so i i don't think i'm very gifted both my parents are quite athletic and have done sports. So I'm fortunate in that sense. But I think I've been fortunate to be with a lot of talented people. So I have not been

getting the same attention as them. And because of that, I have wanted to work harder than them because maybe nobody had me in their cards. And I think that was definitely the best gift that i had with crossfit is that i trained with two other guys this one coach kind of formed this three-man group and you know we stopped we were finished with school and we just went all in on crossfit and it was like nobody really paid attention to me or thought i was going to be one of the good guys it was more you know one of the other guys were just the mentally toughest and the other guys was like extremely gifted. And I was the third wheel of that group.

But luckily, I'm the one who made it to the CrossFit Games. The other two guys never made it? No. Hey, are you older than your sister? Yeah, four years. And was she, she was older than your sister? Yeah, four years. And was she – she was always in a wheelchair? Yeah, she was born in muscular atrophy. It's called SMA2. And so I would use that as an example of something that would give you more depth because life gave you a challenge or something that was out of like the norm as opposed

to someone who was born with just like you know what i mean all of a sudden now you have a challenge that other people around you have so you're getting experience in depth and you're having to see the world differently um then you have different challenges than other people right other people might have a challenge of like fighting with their sister or you have a challenge of like hey every morning when you get into the car you got to make sure her wheelchair gets in there when you go to school or something and i and i would say that that um brings value to your life in terms of what you could share with other human beings and when people don't have that i i feel like i notice that when i'm talking to them yeah they're not even good they're not even guarding anything everyone should be guarding

one secret even if you don't know what it is how many siblings do you have? I had two now I have one, my brother passed away 8 years ago in an accident 8 years ago?

yeah, so talking about depth that's definitely something that creates depth in a person oh yeah that wow um and and how old's your baby she is one year and one month wow you're so at 21 years old your brother passed yeah so i i just thought i basically just started crossfit and he was the one came coming out to all the competitions with me and he was the one who we had decided decided to you know try to make it to the top and that's also what fueled me massively i mean that has definitely been the biggest fuel source because i promised him that i was going to make it to the semifinals and I would one day make it to the top and so um and I'm I'm a man of my word and so I was not going to let

anything stop me getting that goal and I think that's that's definitely a dangerous type of mindset to have too because life is unpredictable and stuff can happen. But yeah, this one I was definitely never going to let go. So either it was going to hunt me forever or I was going to achieve it. And I'm lucky and fortunate to say that things worked out. So at 21, when he was still alive, you had talked about it, and you're like, hey, I want to go to the CrossFit Games. And then when he passed away, you looked up to the heavens and said, brother, I'm going to make it there for you.

Yeah, I mean, if we literally have it on text, like, you know, I promise you I'm going to make it. So it wasn't even like we had talked about this many times. And he had been with me to competitions where I've gotten absolutely destroyed. But he, he believed in me so much and we were close growing up, but not close like that. So that,

that's why like when we got older, we got really close again. Not that we were not close, but you know, sometimes like brothers fight. And yeah, yeah. I was like,

you know, the little, maybe sometimes annoying the brother. I always had his back. He always had my back, but but you know i was also very busy helping my little sister and you know i'm when you're the middle child you just basically try to not make any trouble and just you know especially you have an older brother who is kind of making some trouble and a little sister in wheelchair then when you're in the middle child you your job is just to make sure that you get straight A's in school

and you make no trouble and you make no problem and you help out. That's your sister in the middle there? Yeah. Since you had your kid, this is way off subject. Since you had your kid, do you way off subject. Since you had your kid, do you trip on what your parents must have gone through losing their son? Have you reprocessed that whole thing now that you're a father and been like, oh, shit?

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. But it also has definitely helped our family get further in the healing process. Now that she's here,'s like okay i feel now we're ready for living with it better you know you never get over it yeah but now you can like carry it on in a better way because it seems not that there's been some sort of transaction but it's like okay we have a new person here and and um yeah so so that's helped the family massively my sister can't have children so you know if i don't have children then

and my brother was gonna have a lot of children and also right before he passed away he was gonna get married and have children and a lot of things. So that's also why it was a big blow for the family because he had an incredible ambition and was also just chasing big dreams and was going to have big family men and all these things. And all of a sudden, boom, that's gone. have you know big family men and all these things and all of a sudden you know boom that's gone but i i always wanted to have children because and i think this is why i love coaching i like taking care of other people because that's what i've been used to since i was a child and that's also my my biggest weakness athletically i am struggling to prioritize myself. And that's a must as an athlete. You have to put yourself first in a lot of cases. And when you constantly put yourself

further down that list, you're going to make compromises. And in a competitive sport like this, you rely on your preparations. And if preparations are constantly shattered from you not prioritizing yourself, then you're not going to be the best. Can you give me an example of you not prioritizing yourself? Anything. It can be superficial. Yeah. Like if I know that I can help my family with something and I'll need to spend the whole day going there i'll miss my whole training day for it

like and you have to think like for me at least when i go to a competition i want to arrive calm and i can only be calm and confident if i know i've done the work in our kitchen we we have a big whiteboard and there's four columns in that whiteboard or there's five columns essentially. There's one with their states on for the month. There's one that says sleep. The next one says mindset. The next one says training and the next one says nutrition.

And every morning I wake up, if I've slept, well, at that point it was 10 hours. I crossed that box. That's definitely not possible as a parent. The next box is mindset. We define mindset in three brackets. Either it's taking a cold shower, because that sets the tone for the day. That's a biography by an athlete. Perhaps it will be something in those five minutes that will help propel myself for the next day for the throughout the day. So second box check. All right, I got two boxes checked. It's, you know,

7am in the morning. Third box is training that can only be checked after the second session. And that's defined as I've done my best i've given the best what i had today and um and once i've checked that box there's one box left i can only be checked before i go to bed because that's nutrition and so the last like supplements i'll take is right before bedtime and once i've taken them check and so when i wrote you I rock up at the semifinals and I bombed the first event, but I know that I have checked 90% of the boxes for eight months, I know that no matter where I finish in that event, that's my best. And I can be calm.

I can move on to the next event. And that's what happened in the 222. I bombed the first event and everybody was like are you sick are you like i you know they were imagining it was over for me and then from there i was able to turn things around and win a couple events and finish second and eighth and and but i was never shattered by the first event because i knew that the preparations were done. And so, yeah. I want to go back to the sibling thing and a new life coming in. I didn't lose a sibling, but I had this nagging thing in my head

that maybe a lot of people have that I was concerned about my parents dying and you know and probably selfishly like how that was going to affect me and it hurting and once I had kids whatever that was went away and it was filled with watching maybe it's because my parents loved their grandkids so much, but it was filled with that. Like I was able to move on past that, that sort of that irritation that I had of, of this impending life event where my parents would pass. And so, although I can't even imagine, I recently had someone at the CrossFit game, sit me down for like 40 minutes out of the blue and tell me about how they lost their a child and it fucking rocked me right and this dude had another child right but basically like that other child is now like the only reason he's alive right because part

of you like if your child dies it's like yeah what's the point of living right it's like that was your whole i mean at least for i'm assuming for a lot of parents that's like our whole existence um but it is incredible now now that you say it like that your parents probably they can pour that energy into their new grandchild that maybe that that was um in that that pain they get like an alchemist right they can they can trans they can uh sort of mutate that energy and pour it into a kid i'm guessing that's what's happening right it gives everyone hope life it's like we have a new miracle yeah yeah exactly and when you're a parent you realize that having a kid is a miracle because yeah it's not just getting pregnant and then it's all cool. Like, you know, every test you go to, it's like, we hope this test goes well. And it's every month there's,

or every third month there's a new test and you know, you pass the one mark and then it's the next mark and then it's the birth. And then at the birth, you know, still thousand things can go wrong and the heart rate all of a sudden drops and, you know, it's going to be a C-section or whatnot. And then the child comes out and then even there, you know, oh, let's just check if everything is okay. That process just continues. And therefore, it is a miracle once you have especially a healthy child. You really feel grateful for it because it is a miracle to some extent. Is your wife Danish?

No, she is German. Is her family in Germany? Yeah. Then you go back and forth when you you visit them like at christmas and shit like that yeah she doesn't have like too much family so but um but her mom comes here and stays quite a bit so it's really nice and we go there when we have time and she's she's really close with us so it's nice uh heidi krum uh quoting the great president of the united states of america mr joe biden i almost lost my ferrari in a fire once.

I think it was a Corvette, but I appreciate the quote. Sorry, we have a very sarcastic group. She's comparing his hardship to other people's hardship. Jeez Louise, babies are a miracle. Yes. Greg Glassman, jeez, Heidi. Yeah. Babies are a miracle.

Yes. Greg Glassman. Jeez, Heidi. Yeah. Do you have a discount code to that parallel bar system you have? I found it on the internet. Holy crap. It's like.

The one for kids? Yeah. That's a serious investment. Oh, the tumble track one. Yeah. That's. $6,000 or something. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no let me see you um send me a link after the show okay and i'll put you maybe that's because um it's a united states

company and it's like send me a link after the show and i'll and i'll uh and we'll figure out no no it was expensive but not like that i want want to say it was less than a thousand dollars with the pads with really nice pads. Yeah. I think I found it on the UK website and there it was. I was like, okay, maybe I should do one more event, try to win and then use the money for that instead. No, send me a link. And to tell you the truth, Andre, I'll hook you up with the reps there too.

Yeah, please do. I'm sure they would love to be affiliated with you, right? That would be cool because we really want to set those things up. And like, especially like in the countryside, like Denmark is a really fit country. Yeah. But definitely been shock coming from out of the city to out in the countryside. People are not very active. And especially like, I mean, seeing kids that are overweight,

that's, I would love to do something about that. If we can, I mean, we have the gear and Emilia, she loves to train, then, you know, definitely people can bring their kids too. I mean, I see your kids. It looks really, really cool what you have set up for them. It looks like they have a great time. You managed to make it really fun for them to use their body.

And I think that's really cool. I was thinking about that the other day, going back to the professional, what you were just saying, to tie in what you were saying about the coach relationship with the athlete i noticed with my kids i noticed with my kids i i i never take them i rarely take them specifically to do a workout like i wouldn't tell my kids hey let's come to the garage and do fran what i would do is be like hey dude you want to come to the garage and i'll throw balls at you and see if you cannot get hit so i'll put them in the garage i'll get tennis balls and I'll throw them and they'll be like dodging. Right. And then after about 10 minutes of that, they'll be like,

Oh, can we play another game? And then I'll be like, okay, let's see who can hang from a bar the longest. And I'll set the timer. And then next thing I know, someone will say,

Hey, could we do a workout? And it's, it's sort of that relationship I have as a dad. I don't, I don't, um, there's this manipulation. Yeah. It's manipulation. And, I have as a dad. I don't – there's this – Manipulation.

Yeah, it's manipulation. But I'm okay the whole time if we don't, right? I'll show you this thing the other day my son did. He was like – I was like, hey, can I take a video of you doing a pistol? You have like several instructors that come to the house too, right? Yeah, for fight. Mostly that's for, oh, yeah, gymnastics and fighting. Oh, and skateboarding, now that I think about it.

Let me show you this, what he did the other day. Where is it? Managing too many Instagram accounts accounts i don't even know where the fuck it is okay this look at this thing right here so i just asked him if he would do a pistol and then and then he comes in and he's like hey i can do it on the balance bar i'm like no i'm like no you can't and he's like't. And he's like, yeah, I can. He's like, watch this. That's impressive. How old is he, six?

He's eight. Eight? Okay, wow. Yeah. And so it's kind of this just manipulation, right? Like you said. And it took me a while to figure this out. I have to bring down all my expectations. I just bring them down to zero so that there'll be no fighting and and i probably messed it up with the first kid the eight-year-old but now i have two six-year-olds and it's just like

just every time i'm the dad because they don't do that with the coach every time i take my kids to play tennis andre they cry every time i've never they play tennis with a coach three days a week they never cry and i'm like oh that's because i'm the dad yeah fair enough oh so yeah yeah are you gonna have more kids you think um i'm not sure it depends like not so she is 12 years older than me. So she's 40 and I'm 29 or she's she's 41. So we're a bit unsure, like because the age difference, you know, of course, when when women get older, it gets a little bit more difficult. So right now, we're just really grateful to have one. So right now we're just really grateful to have one. If it makes you feel, I had my first baby. My wife was 39.

Yeah. And then, and then we, she had twins when she was 41. All natural. Just like having sex on the couch and she got pregnant. Shit. You know what I mean? Just, just, just all easy peasy. Yeah. So, and she's just a CrossFitter.

She's just a regular CrossFitter, just a healthy girl. So, but, but we didn't expect, we didn't expect twins, but just in case she was wondering. Yeah, and everything went smooth. Of course, the doctors tell you it's dangerous and all this shit, but we got midwives, and they're like, nah, no problem. Okay. Well, I think she's watching in the living room right now, just live. Yeah.

I'll pass the information on if she doesn't already have it and see what she says yeah and she could always bug my wife on um on uh on instagram uh it's it's hayley hayley matosian yeah so yeah oh look ken walters our second um child my wife was was 40. Amazing. Yeah. Part of me is glad I waited a long time because I'm so calm. I think I'd have been more of a dickhead if I was younger, like if I was your age. But another part of me is now I kind of wish I had like six kids. Yeah. I could see myself having that feeling as well.

Yeah. Because you realize how quickly they grow. And yeah. It brings so much joy to my life. It's the most fun I've ever had watching them. Just watching them. Yeah, 100%. Hey, I was watching the Clydesdale podcast you did with Cat Shear and Scott Schweitzer.

It was about a year ago a great podcast yeah great podcast um i thought it was very interesting that cat sheer asked you when you were going to go into coaching because she'd love to have you as a coach it was kind of like she was a fortune teller yeah i mean i've been i've been coaching ever since I started CrossFit, but it's just never been full on. It's been, you know, at the semifinals this year, I was on the floor and I also had like nine individuals on the floor that all needed warm-up plans, strategy plans, timetables, and also like in between events talking to them.

I think that's also when I realized, you know, when I do something you know, I, you know, when I do something, I do 100%. I don't like the middle thing. And so it didn't give me too much satisfaction when I didn't feel

that I was maybe pushing myself to the best of my abilities training-wise and neither giving, you know, the athletes the best of me. And that, even though a lot of them did really well and the team also did well it didn't satisfy me as much because it could have been better one of them could have been better and i think that's also what kind of pushed that decision

it's like i want to if i do something i want to to do my best. And that's what gives me most happiness. And, and doing all of the things at the same time, even though I could manage to do it a few more years, perhaps, without going down with too much stress, it doesn't bring me enough happiness and going all in on one is, is what gives me the happiness. I want to ask you about your 200 pound back squat that you talked with Scott about. I thought that was an interesting subject, but before I do that,

you were talking about how long you were talking. Oh, maybe it was 200 KG, but you said pound. You said, I hadn't ever even done a 200 pound back squat. I'll get back to this. I'll get back to this. I'll get back to this i'll get back to this i'll get back to this okay when there i have this guy who comes on the show named brian friend and when he first started coming on the show he would do a lot of other um podcasts also in shows he would go on the lone ranger show he would go on my show he would go in the morning chalk up show he would do his own show he would do all these different shows and i remember other people in the space being concerned like hey don't you want him just for yourself and i'm like no i think it adds more value to my show the fact that he does all of

these other shows like i really i want him to do all of the other shows i want him to commentate for the games i want him to work over there in europe i want him to do shows with the morning chalk up because then when he comes on my show it it brings value to it. For me, that's the way I viewed it. I loved it. I didn't want to isolate them. I was thinking that about with you with a coach. Yellow Host does one of your jellies, one of your clients. At first I was like, man, if I was an athlete, maybe I would only want my coach just to have me. But now that I'm actually thinking about it and I'm talking to you, I'm starting to lean the other way. Maybe I want a coach who has six athletes because then he has six times as many data points.

To bring into the mix. He's got the tall guy. He's got the short guy. He's got the buff guy. he's got the tall guy he's got the short guy he's got the buff guy he's got the skinny guy you know what i mean he's got the guy with big feet he's got the guy with short femurs and now he especially someone like you who's who is so uh attentive to detail and is in with this desire to achieve do you have a thought on that on on uh 100 yeah the goal for me is to have six uh individual athletes that i work with and um and and it would be three women and three three men and i have five right now three three women and two men and the goal is also that they complement each other they can help each other so for example on

the men's side i have yele hoste and then i have a guy named tomaso pieri from italy and they're in many ways opposing forces tommy is extremely good at weightlifting and very strong he's finished 17th at the semifinals in 221. Spell his last name for me. P-I-E-R-I. Thomas Pierre. Yeah. Oh, I think I got the wrong one. Oh, we call that Pierre. Thomas Pierre.

It's – I don't think this is Pierre is with two R's it's only one R oh oh alright alright get all crazy on me Tom T-H-O-M-A-S spelling is not my strong suit

there's two I think there's two M's and two S's hang on let me find them I want to look at this guy. I don't know who this guy is. I know who Yelly is. I know who Jelly is. Tomas. Someone will send me a – oh, look it.

Vittori's getting all excited because it's an Italian. Oh, someone's – T-I-E-R-I. Let's see if that gets gets me. Oh, call me. Call me. Oh, I got him because Moritz Fiebig. OK, I got him. OK, I got him.

Let's look at this guy. Here we go. OK, sorry. Go on. Go on. I interrupted. So they're opposing forces, you were saying. To some extent, yeah.

So he's also very good at some of the things that Yele is not as good in, and vice versa. Some of the things that Tommy is not as good in, Yele is really good in. So they can push each other well. They have also been on training camps before with each other, and Tommy was also the backup

for No Shortcuts CrossFit team, my team this season. And so I know him really well, and his goal is to make it to the crossfit games and so my goal is to get him there and we're not going to stop until that happens and all these athletes would need to have that goal right all that all your athletes would need to have that goal if you're going to be one of those three men and three women you better have the goal going to the game yeah yeah exactly exactly and and um yeah and so so it's important that i can put them in good competitive environments

that are healthy and um and so you know for first and foremost they need to have the goal to to want it to be at the crossfit games and do well there and second of all they need to be good people that works in in groups that that can that can be you know have good behavior and and fits within within our culture you know part of part of the being a coach is is one part and the second part is we're trying to build a brand with no shortcuts making it a a mantra for life and and something that that a lot of people like attracting people that that that also want to live with no shortcuts or at least aim to do so and so i have a handful of individual athletes but our my primary thing is that we have a lot of clients on our generic training programs

but i mean back to back to to the what you say in terms of putting them in good environments, it's the same for the girls that I work with. We have to be able to put them in with other girls that can push them to get the best out of them, but at the same time not make it toxic. So we host like three to four individual camps a year around their competition schedule. And that's one of the ways we do it um what what happens if you have six and someone approaches you who you really want to take on do you what you push out one of the other ones no we say no say no. We say no to, yeah, and we have already said no to two games athletes this year. Like we, I don't want to overcommit to, like I said, I want to do my best. And if I don't feel I can do my best, and I know if I take on too many,

I'm going to do a disservice to the clients that I have. And that's also really important to me. That's also why if you're not a part of No Shortcuts, you cannot come on our training camps. We don't share information with competitors because if my job is to help Jelle win the CrossFit Games or one of the others win the CrossFit Games, then I cannot tell the people that are going against him how we do things. Not that we have magic tricks. I have no clue if we do.

But we don't want them to have our information because my job is to help him get forward. So if I help somebody he's going to meet later on in the season, then that's potentially going to meet later on in the season, then that's potentially going to cost him points. If the deal with him is that I'm 100% committed to getting him

higher than he was the year past, then I have to do everything to protect that goal. Are you tripping on that dude at all? Holy shit. This guy's amazing. No. No?

You're not? No. You're not? Are you? What do you think about? Okay, let me start somewhere more gentle. What do you think about his games performance this year? I think it was really good.

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indulge in just what a specimen he is and that you're going to get to work with him i mean the most exciting fact of working with him is just the fact that he is extremely dedicated extremely calculated and pushes me to really push my boundaries in order to help him because when i give him a tip you know he's already been looking into everything you know when i say you know you're gonna do these paces he's already watched every heat from every other semi-final for the past four years in order to know what paces he could hold so to to be on top of this guy you need to to be, you need to push yourself. And that's one of the things I really like working with him. And he's, he's, if I say, all right, we qualify for the games. Good check.

Leading up to the games, we need a kayak instructor, paddleboard instructor, mountain bike instructor, swim instructor. And that needs to be organized for Tuesdays, Thursdays, Sundays. Can you do it within 24 hours? He has booked all four instructors for the next eight weeks. Done. Like, that's, if I tell him to get a whiteboard to do the four columns and have it hang in his fridge, the next day that's done. And that's extreme. Like, that's, he's, he is dedicated to

a whole nother level and he was an extremely exciting project because I think a lot of people counted him out because he doesn't look like too big, too old, too late to the game exactly and I

oh that's a good shirt for him that's a good shirt for him, too big, shirt for him too big too old too late to the game and then with like a and then with like a games medal yeah um he has to win the game

before he gets that shirt yeah I think so too oh so he can he can get better that dude can get better oh yeah I like

I mean that's what's really exciting he's so far away from from even being what I would consider great. He's really good in certain things, but he has also a lot of things we need to work on and we are working on them really hard. And he's showing step-by-step improvements. So we just need to keep the foot on the pedal and be smart.

And I know he's going to put in the work. So my job is just to make sure that he has the right template and he has the right support and, and, and yeah. And it's just exciting to work with an athlete. That's just an underdog. Like, I don't think a lot of people counted on him. A qualifying for the games, and B, doing so good. But I told him when we started working together that...

Maybe one win. Maybe one win is just some freak outlier. I think that we started being suspicious that he was a freak outlier, but he did so well. Yeah, he did really well in long and short events. He's done well in a lot of type of events, and that's what makes it exciting. Going back to your brother here a second, once you – if your brother was a primary source of fuel, your relationship with him and the promises you made to him once you made those once you made those you achieve those things you went to semifinals you went to the games do you ever sit down and recalibrate or reorganize what your um values are or what your goal is or what your fuel is to get to those goals or to maintain those

values? Oh yeah, a hundred percent. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a big five-year plan guy. So there, there's a lot of like reflection and planning and, you know, it, sometimes the plan changed. So it's not that I'm, I make a five-year plan. And five-year plan and if I decide to change direction, it's not the end of the world. It's not square like that. I've definitely learned to be not so black and white with everything and more in the gray when I need to. But yeah, 100%.

And once I had completed some of the goals that we had set out to do, and I most of all just felt relieved to be honest i i just felt a weight lifted off my shoulder not a negative weight but just it was just like a decompression i was just very happy and i made it to the games next year after that too uh with with new new sort of fuel um that i want to be you know a good role model for for my family i want to keep of fuel that I want to be, you know, a good role model for, for my family. I want to keep pushing myself and I want to, I don't want to show that, you know, whatever you set out to do,

you can do it. And I like proving that to myself, because if I can prove myself right, then I can use that in next challenges that are going to come. You were talking about how what do you call him? Yelliff? Yella.

You were saying how Mr. Yella how he pushes you because he's so good and he pushes you. It reminded me of the relationship I have with my kids' coaches. I'm in competition with my kids' coaches'm in competition with my kids coaches okay and i didn't know this but but i want i never want to be i would rather they not show up than i not show up with the kid like if we have an appointment i want it so they give them i they

give me an assignment like hey your kid needs to start running more or he needs to work on this. And I feel like the second I'm doing better job coaching my kid than the kid, I don't want that coach anymore. Do you know what I mean? Like if the coach were to call and stick more than once a year, I'd be like, fuck you. We win, right? I want to be there more. I always want to get there before the coach with my kids. I always want to have my kids warmed up. I always want my kids to be clean. I always want them to be prepared. I have this I'm trying to beat them. I'm trying to I want my kid to be the they don't have to be the best athlete they have

but I want them to be like I want to see I'm always having my kid try to break that like my coaches try to keep a professional line with my kids and I want my kids personality to try to break that line and it's kind of fucked because if I if the coach does break the line, I'll think less of them but that's what i'm trying to get my kid to do i'm trying to get my kid to be the bet their favorite student me to be their favorite parent like i'm

trying to get like the most out of the relationship and and one day one of the coaches said that to me i'm like damn dude i'm like you keep me on my toes he goes you keep and he just kind of like you keep me on my toes and then just you know what i mean but still didn't break the line you know what i mean yeah but but i i get that there's a there there's there's like a almost like a competition between you and yella that's not like uh that's that's compatible like that's compatible. But it's the same with, I mean, he's one of them, but the four others are also very, very similar in that way. I would say each of them has their own type of strengths. You don't want them to put a demand on you that you can't fulfill, and they don't want you to put a demand on them that they can't fulfill. Maybe demand is not the right word yeah if i get what you mean yeah yeah hey when you say that you are a um

to be the best you have to prioritize yourself first And do you think that – and I don't mean this as a dig towards your family, but do you think because you've been so giving, because you wanted to be so much for your sister, because if your parents call you, people take advantage of you? Did you ever feel taken advantage of? No, because I could always have said no. Okay. Wow, that's some personal accountability. Wow, so you don't blame other people. No, I would never and they would never also like nobody would ever do anything to do a disservice to me or stand in my way and nobody has ever done that so i think it's just a natural urge to wanting to help others

it's the same you know when the semi-finals comes around and the quarterfinals comes around my workload triples and if i prioritize myself first i could just tell them figure it out for yourself because i need to focus on myself but of course that's not how it works i have to prioritize them because that's what i'm hired to do and that's also what i love to do and um and yeah that's why it's just difficult to wear different hats and why it's beneficial when an athlete can primarily wear one hat i never think you should put when i say prioritize yourself you should never prioritize yourself more you prioritize your family because i think the family is the foundation of everything this is also you know part of my job is to figure out what's the foundation for this athlete to do well on a daily basis. And we need to make sure those things are in balance.

So if they have a big family, it's important they go see their grandmother every Saturday. Well, then we're going to have to schedule training around it. And it's no problem because I control, I don't control the schedule, but I designed a schedule. So if they tell me every Saturday and they see my grand grandparent, and if it's really important to me, I go for runs with my dad on Wednesdays. Well, we can assign the training program around it because without those things in balance, then they're not going to be executing well.

And it's really important that they're honest about that because I see that often you start with no athlete and they're ready to do whatever you want them to do. Train five times a day. But eventually, you know, after a month, they're so out of balance, it's not working anymore. So then you go back, okay, what is it that makes you feel in balance in your life? Like, what are the things you need to do? And I mean, there's many amazing athletes that are parents that are managing to balance everything probably incredibly because they are just good at scheduling things around both being a parent and being an athlete.

And they cannot, if they are not a good parent, they're probably not going to feel very good about being an athlete. Maybe that's my perception. Maybe that's not true. Maybe some people are just really good at saying, I'm number one and everybody else works around my schedule. Scott Schweitzer and Kat Shearer on the Clydesdale podcast, you said something like, I was, I couldn't even back squat. I just back squatted 200 pounds for the first time a year ago or something like that. No, that wasn't accurate.

I misheard that. Maybe it was 200 kilograms. Yeah. And you're like, and most of the games athletes could already do that. Yeah. I mean, it was definitely with 200. I was never very strong. And then I had a incredible strength coach named casper vendor was it kilograms or was it pounds

it's kilograms oh okay okay i back to like 350 pounds when i was 16 so okay okay i backed it i back squatted 350 pounds um um never when you you were 16. Holy shit. I mean, that's when I was in America. Why were you back squatting? Oh, because you were playing football here. Yeah, and that was like the worst number on the team. Hey, you left. You came to America by yourself at 16?

Yeah. I was an exchange student in order to play American football here. For how long? It's one year. You didn't see your parents for a whole year when you were 16? No. And you're also not allowed to. Like if you're doing the experience properly, you're not allowed to.

Yeah. How was that? What city were you in in the States? It was in Michigan and it was close to Ann Arbor and it was a small city called South Lion. And are you still friends with that family? Yeah. Very good friends. They also have come to see me at Rogue and at the games and.

Wow. What a trip. Yeah. So that was a good experience. How many years ago? Yeah, that was really good. I mean,

I stayed in one family at first. That was really not a good experience. And then I changed families yeah that was really good i mean i stayed one family at first that was really not a good experience and then i changed families and that was that was great experience so tell me about the bad experience what did they have you like cleaning floors and shit they just didn't have to they were just crazy to be honest like they were like you call your mom way too often i'm like i call my mom every second week i'm like and so they were telling the area rep who's kind of like supposed to be my protector andre he's he's he's calling his mom way too much i said to them honestly i call her every second week and you just try to tell her that i'm gonna call her less than every second week and she will show

up here and she'll kill you uh and then i wasn't allowed to have a girlfriend but then her her son was allowed to have a girlfriend and yeah and so there was just a lot of that and you know i was not allowed to hang out with any girls and i was not allowed to do a lot of things and And they were constantly sneaking into my room, checking all my drawers and seeing if I had anything suspicious. And I was starting to put things in the door and in the drawers to see if they'd been into my room.

And it was just a strange experience. Yeah, it's almost getting like a horror movie. It was really was really really strange like and uh and it was also yeah there was just a lot of like jealousy with the the brother who also like played football and it was it was just uh it was a strange experience but luckily the first part of the year i was there i was was you know playing football so and they only picked me up from the school at like 7 p.m so basically I was just at school I got picked up by the bus I don't know 6 30 and then picked up at 7 so that's also why I trained so much because you know football practice was maybe done by 4 30 or something like that and then

the gym is open and then you just train in the gym and and i think that's also how i got kind of like into crossfit originally because i joined the wrestling team when the football season was over that was like you know legless rope climbs and tire flips and pegboards and all that kind of stuff did you like wrestling yeah i i really love i mean i think i love the preparation a bit more than the sport because they never really Did you like wrestling? I literally just got destroyed in every match because I had like very few takedowns and yeah, the people I met were definitely far superior to me. You know, have you ever done wrestling? A couple of years in eighth and ninth grade,

but I got to wrestle people who I was so little, I got to wrestle like little kids. Okay. Yeah. But I didn't like, it's crazy that you liked i like the wrestling part i didn't like the training part which is ass backwards the training part made me sick and gave me a headache and shit like that oh i'm a pussy andre like i i'm i'm the wrong person to ask i don't believe that but it's true it's true it's true that's the like the cutting weight twice a week i mean that builds some serious mental toughness like every monday night no dinner all tuesday like nothing

other than like two glasses of water and then a two-hour training with you know a sweater or even like a black plastic bag underneath the sweater on top of your body, hoodie on, hat on, jogging pants. And then they would tape an ice bag to the thermal measurement of the room so that the thermal thing thought it was like freezing cold. So it would jam up the heat in the room. And we would be like so exhausted by the end. So everyone would just kind of lay on their back in underwear getting ready for the weigh-in then after the weigh-in we would you know

put on i don't know 15 pounds for the next day just then you know liquid and food and you do that twice a week that builds just i mean you go a little bit crazy from that but it's definitely a good mental challenge maybe not so healthy would you want your um uh daughter to be a um would you if she wanted to get into crossfit would you encourage her to be a crossfit games athlete or would you kind of steer the ship away from that whatever she she fantasies doing we support it so we're definitely my kid the fuck away from that oh yeah why i too too hard if it's not enough uh too hard to i mean i mean don't get me wrong like if if he wanted to tennis is too hard tennis is way harder mentally right i probably wouldn't i wouldn't steer him towards

tennis either i don't know if i would steer him to become a professional athlete period unless it was i don't think i would steer him to that, period. I'd rather he went again. What if that's what they want? I know. Then I'm fucked. You're right. I know.

You're right. You're right. You're right. I'd rather he just release a sex tape or something. I hope not. That's not true. Hey, the only famous guy I can think of – no, guys don't really get famous from sex tapes. You probably don't remember this.

You're too young, but one of the first sex tapes that leaked out was there was this woman named Pamela Anderson and this rock star named Tommy Lee. I've heard of Pamela Anderson. Yeah, and then Tommy Lee was a rock star, and they released a sex tape. But it was like – She was from Baywatch, right? Right. but it was like she was from Baywatch right and it was like but I think it was before the internet so like it's like you had to figure out a way

to get the actual big tape like this but then after that it seems like it's only worked for women to help catapult them the men don't fare so good in it I can't think of any men maybe it's just because I am a man men don't fare so good in it i can't think of any men maybe it's just because i am a man i don't know no comment okay no comment do you have you don't have any sex tapes

no no good well i don't know if that would help your training program Probably not. So the only vacancy in the training camp is a female who has aspirations to go to the game, an individual female athlete. That's not available. Men, men, one man. Sorry, one man is available. Yeah. No female. But it's not going to be available until like after next season. Okay, because you're already planned up.

Yeah, I just feel five is definitely enough. I want to also commit to these going to one off-season event with them. And so that's already five events pretty much. So I'll be going to Rogue. I'll be going to Waterpalooza. I'm going to a competition in Italy called Fall Series. That's just so far.

There's no other athletes in your stable? Do you sell programming? Do you do any programming? You do. What's that programming called? The same thing? No shortcuts? Who's that for? that's for anybody who wishes to compete either at the local competition the local weekend competition or at the crossfit games it's a program that differs and we have three different programs the different time so if you have availability to train twice a day then you have

one program for that if you're have availability to train once a day then you have one program for that if you're have availability to train once a day 90 to 120 minutes we have one program for that and then we have one program for 60 approximately 60 minutes and each of the program has basically three scaling options for different levels ensuring that pretty much regardless of the level you're at you're going to get the right stimulus from the gymnastics or the the workouts that are prescribed the strength pretty much relies the same and the basic conditioning well actually even the basic conditioning would also differ in different length based on your your level in that particular thing and that's based on the training program I've designed for myself

for all these years I've qualified for the Games. And it's, of course, a program that's in constant progress. And it's, yeah, it's constantly getting better because I have more time to read and educate myself and also get more experience. And so, yeah.

Hey, this girl is one of your athletes? Yeah. All of the people in the pictures are. This is Vidison? What was her first name again? Rebecca. She's my first.

Actually, my first elite athlete with no shortcuts. It's been three years with her. Dude, she doesn't even look human. When I had her on the show, I couldn't stop staring at her. She looks like an avatar. She looks like she's a computer generator. What an incredible fucking human specimen.

Her and Yella, does she have any outlier traits? What's her deal? Is she tall or is she short or does she have a long fem traits like what's her deal is she tall or she's short or does she have a long femur what she doesn't even look human this one she's just extremely consistent across all things yeah that's her strength wow she's cool now i kind of see what you mean both birth both her and uh yellow when they were on the show seemed cool as shit, laid back. Yeah, and also she tells the truth 100%.

What does that mean? That means it's really easy to work with her. So if she's struggling or having some difficulties, she will tell me. And then when she tells me, we can work on them. But if athletes don't do that, then things build up and become problems. But if athletes don't do that, then things build up and become problems. But because we have such a good communication, she makes it really easy for me to work with her. Can you give me an example of telling the truth?

Yeah. It can be made up, but the spirit of it being accurate. If she is upset about something that happened in training and felt that she underperformed massively, she will tell me. And like that, I can tell her, hey, we're working on this. Everybody has bad days. That's what happens and et cetera.

But if she didn't tell me and it keeps happening, it's building up, maybe this is going to ruin her confidence in those specific exercises that this scenario happened in. And maybe it'll happen every week, but instead of it happening every week, we can just put the brakes on it and change the narrative immediately instead of letting that become a thing because athletes, they build narratives around things, you know, oh, I'm good at weightlifting or or i don't like running but we my job is to remove all of them it's all the perceptions they have of what they're good at or not good at i have to create a clean slate and say essentially you're not good at anything you're working on

getting better at everything and so everything is at a baseline even if yellow is way better at running than he is maybe at other things doesn't matter he can still get better at running he's not he's not great he's good at it but it's if you are into crossfit you you have to be into always wanting more and the minute i say you're a fantastic runner like you're you're unbeatable you can do this like then we're going to start losing the run events and it also builds pressure and unnecessary pressure yeah i i like that um what you said right there. Yeah, unnecessary pressure. What do you think about this? Some people I'm friends with were saying that it was dumb that they had the athletes do this.

I don't see anything dumb about it. Do you think it's dumb? Using this implement that was designed for someone with one arm, then now to use it with two arms. Do you not like it? Honestly, and this is going to be like a lame answer but this is the same conversation i have with with the athletes and i think it's just i've trained myself to faint like this since the beginning and it's i don't care if what comes it's not if we have signed up for a competition they decide what the rules are and they decide what

the workouts are and so it's irrelevant for us to even discuss whether we like it or dislike it that's we signed you sign up for the event like it's it's crossfit they can throw anything at you so if you're going to spend energy on being upset about it then you're probably not going to win that event it's not a fucking lame answer it's a great answer i love it i love it um but i do think maybe there's a tendency now to i do miss a little bit more basic work capacity i love that you know we've been progressing the skills so much in the past couple of years and i think it was necessary move but i you know sometimes you also don't need to keep making things even more fancy even though we master let's say handstand walk ramp by now and the top guys

and girls can really pass through easily it doesn't mean that it's an easy skill just because we can do it easy it's still a high skill but the level is just higher well then we can build more interference around it or but we don't need to i mean this is my point of view but it's not it's um yeah i think you know we have a heavy jump rope a crossover jump rope we have the drag rope we have a speed rope we have a single under rope you know maybe this there's there's enough variations of the jump rope by now. But again, we don't make the rules. If we sign up for the event, it's that they're the boss and we're the players.

You know, I didn't even think about it like that. I would rather see variation with one rope than the introduction of continuous new implements. I don't know if that's exactly what you were saying but but i but i do i do i still see the value and it becomes kind of ridiculous at some point how much time are you going to spend trying to master all the possible jump ropes that could come up in the in the event a lot unfortunately but i mean it's yeah if the problem with that a piece of equipment that should have been released maybe on the day then

because then a lot of athletes got to buy the rope. Maybe some athletes can't afford to get the rope. Maybe they live far away and ordering the rope. No, and then you show up and half the athletes don't even get to do a clean and jerk because they have never touched that rope before. And so then it's at this advantage it's like when they introduce crossover double unders or crossover double

unders at the games like if you don't have that good beaded rope you're basically screwed and you know some people just kind of magically had it it It's a huge advantage. All right. I like rope gate. We call that rope gate here in the United States, how some people just happen to have it. Hey, Andre, it's because they had great coaches. It's because they had great coaches. Sure.

Let me ask you this. This is a great fucking question. I've never heard this question. Well, I probably heard this question asked. I haven't heard this question asked in 10 or 15 years. What value does handstand push-ups have? And specifically, what value do handstand push-ups have or handstand walking have in a competition? You think it's an important skill?

Or just like, fuck it, it's there? I mean, you can ask that about anything right like i think it's i don't know squatting i kind of squatting i kind of get because we do so much of it pick up your kid take a shit carry a bag of banana groceries from the car it just seems just so fun running i get right um just shit that like maybe like kind of makes us human right um do you think strong shoulders is not essential for being a good human i do i do but but the upside down part is the part i do think strong shoulders are like a fundamental very important part of being a strong a good human or capable human but what about um so who cares how you develop them? Upside down. Okay.

That's my question. If we agree on that, it's essential. Enhanced push-ups are a great way. And it probably does something. I'm just totally making this up. But being upside down and doing it that way probably adds some incredible value to the nuances, to the muscle that you can't get unless you are walking on them or being upside down. As long as you're not obese when you're doing it or doing or or you know what i mean doing something to like fuck up the shoulder girdle yeah and it's it's uh yeah i mean it's the different different stimulus also depending on like where the load is coming from and it's very unique

that it comes you know like when you're inverted like that compared to like sitting on a box doing dumbbell shoulder press. I also think with the gymnastic skills like handstand push-up and handstand walk, it also like a lot of things that CrossFit do really well. It removes focus from maybe the traditional exercises that people have gotten bored of and puts more emphasis on exercises that are more skill-based or playful and you know when you're 35 years old and maybe you've only been in a traditional gym and you're told hey let's try to get you upside down for the first time that feeling can be an incredible accomplishment it'll probably excite you to come back instead of saying you know hey we're under seated box dumbbell shoulder press today. Because I wouldn't say that's more functional and you can line up a handstand pushup pretty biomechanically well, even, even just as well as you could do with an like inclined dumbbell shoulder press.

So it's a, from a structural standpoint, I think it's a from a structural standpoint i think it's a hensland push-ups can be a great exercise yeah and it's and and it's not gimmicky it doesn't require some sort of crazy um piece of equipment or anything it's like hey and kids do it naturally like if you just leave kids out into a field your kids see kids just start doing cartwheels and going upside down and shit exactly yeah and also like i mean bang for your buck if that was going to be like a full body exercise it also gives a lot more like the balance it requires the midline stability you know if you're on an incline dumbbell shoulder press if we're just focusing on the shoulders none of that is really essential i'm not saying like if i were to develop just shoulders purely i would definitely

pick the incline dumbbell shoulder press above the handstand push-ups but but for a general athleticism and i think definitely the handstand push-up could could be a better choice and even the best people at it in the world, it probably also forces an intention or focus that's different than just sitting in a chair and doing strict press. Strict press, you're like, I hope I turned off the stove. I hope I turned – oh, God. Did I leave the dryer on?

Who's picking up the kitchen? You're not doing that shit upside down. No, that's good. And also just the body awareness. I mean, you build great body awareness. If you can be upside down and be really efficient in that, just overall, you're probably just much better at moving your body. Andre, just now I'm doing this, and I'm sore.

I'm sore. My lats, I've just started doing pull-ups again because I had a fucked up bicep. And yesterday, I did just six sets of 10 pull-ups strict and i only do strict pull-ups i'm an old guy no kipping shit but anyway my question is is as i do that should games athletes always be sore should you always be is it okay at 22 years old to always be sore somewhere like i like being sore you know i mean my like i'm like oh yeah i got them should you always be a little bit no it's probably a poor indicator of progress or a poor indicator of you have done a great job i don't think you need to need to be sore in order to have done something

substantial really it's a poor indicator i think so yeah and i think it's it's not a good indicator if you're sore every day like then your body's probably not recovering very well unless you have a great structured training program where your upper body might be sore and the next day you're not using the upper body. But I mean, I definitely think that if you feel beat up too many days in a week, you're doing too much or doing bad stuff like not it's not well structured you can do a

lot but if well structured throughout the week it doesn't leave you broken i think more often not the session should leave you not broken but five percent shouldn't i i shouldn't i if i shouldn't i at least um once a month to have some glute or quad or ham soreness no it's not like i feel horrible if i do lunges and i'm not sore when i get out of bed the next morning i'm like oh i fucking cut some corners yeah i mean i think it's right it's normal to have it maybe on a weekly basis but not on a daily basis not on i think if you wake up every morning and get out of bed and you're like damn i'm wrecked i don't know how i'm to get by training and I'll need to stretch 45 minutes before I can do something.

That's probably an indicator that you're training too hard or it's structured poorly. Because I've done it. And once I changed it, I realized, wow, it's not supposed to feel like that. That's how I was taught. All the knees were hurting on everyone I was training with. So thought it was that was a normal thing like your elbow's not hurting oh that's odd like you're not training hard enough and then i learned that's not normal at all like things should not be hurting uh joe westerlin um gymnastics movements cannot cannot

be incrementally loaded in the way of the barbells. The handstand push-up is a graduation from the push-up. Oh, I can see. I don't know if it's a graduation from the push-up. I mean, it's a complete different press pattern. So I wouldn't say so. And I mean, you could load up the handstand push-up by adding a weighted vest or make a deficit or slowing down the tempo or pausing in the bottom or

i think there's a lot of ways to progress that for sure it's not as incremental perhaps as i mean you could just a one inch deficit week one and two-inch deficit week two, or you could even add a band around your foot and your hands. But what I think he's saying is you wouldn't do handstand push-ups unless you were proficient at push-ups, right? Probably you wouldn't go do handstand push-ups unless you had 20 straight push-ups, right? I think that's what he's sort of saying. Yeah, I think that's definitely a safe measurement. Yeah.

Well, thank you. I told my wife, I said, I don't know why I'm so excited about this morning's podcast, but I think it's going to go great. And it went great. You are awesome. You should be on. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Yeah, you're awesome.

I can't wait to have you again. Thanks for doing this. What time is it over there? It is 10 minutes to 6. Okay seven hours difference i think and and when you're in rogue if i wanted to contact you and try to contact you is whatsapp the best way to do it yeah definitely you you you danish people check that every day yeah yeah definitely instagram is not the best place yeah okay i just didn't what about texting do you text on the phone or does that is that all fucked up to text with americans like you

get charged for it no that should work because the i message but uh whatsapp is definitely definitely preferable do you take non-europeans as clients would you take a non-European as a client? I would. It definitely would make it like slightly more complicated, but I'll be willing to, because I mean, I'm going to all the American events. So, and as long as semifinals don't fall in the same weekend as the Europeans, then I could also come for that one. But, yeah. But yeah. But I mean, I think if you work with me,

the rule is that if you can't handle yourself, it's not going to work. And I will, of course, help you handle yourself. But that's why I don't think... Wait, what does that mean if you can't handle yourself? What does that mean? Oh, if you can't go to an event by yourself. Yeah, like if I'm there, it's only a bonus.

But you don't need me there to perform at your best. It's only, that can be helpful, but it's not a necessity because you have a time plan. You have warmups, you have cool downs, you have strategies. We've talked about the strategies. You have a nutrition plan. So there's no decisions that need to be made. You've packed bags, plastic bags with the clothes you're going to wear for every single event you wake up in the morning you just look at the plan you don't even need to bring your head because everything is everything is planned out so there would be almost no scenario where you would need to to call me unless it's you're sad or or something like

that but um but it's a bonus if i can be there to take you through the warm-up so you don't need to you know look at your phone or and like also have somebody who holds your water and you know those kind of things to make sure that nothing happens to you your water bottle or um pull the car around out front yeah all the small things that can help and it's not even really an option until 2025 anyway enough enough no okay and i mean not i mean 2024 summer i would say definitely there's listen someone after the podcast is going to bug you great people aren't going to take no for an answer it doesn't even matter what you say someone's going to bug you after this podcast and be like look dude i know you got a spot. Quit being a pussy. That's probably,

there's probably many other coaches that are happy to take them on. I'm sure. Yeah. But they're, they're not Andre who day. Thank you for coming on, dude. I can't wait to talk to you again and continue to build a relationship with you. You're awesome. Congrats on the baby.

Thank you. And see you at Roke. Not in person. Maybe I'll bug you on the phone i'll send you a picture of myself i have to sit i have to sit here in the office and like navigate i'm like flying the ship while you guys like play in the universe all right okay thanks for having me andre jude that was cool. Wow. I know it was wild

because I didn't even get to follow my notes. I'm I think that dude's a winner. Thank you, Ricardo. Ricardo Garcia. Ricardo. Have you ever commented before Ricardo? I've never seen you The Navy man Austin Hartman

Says that's a cool guy That guy's a cool guy I don't think you need guy twice That guy's a cool guy That's a cool guy Ernie never seen you Do you comment? Ernie with his chick Ernie Gar seen you do you comment Ernie with this chick

Ernie Garza cool dude yeah oh shit here we go Ricardo Garcia are you serious I always send money and you guys think it's rubles but it's Rios oh my bad because I'm a visual guy dude

and the R isn't enough visual for me. Okay, how about her? I've never seen her before. Fran time. Andre is a gem. That's a great picture. I had something in the...

Oh, shit. All right regret i regret trying i regret trying to pick out people who don't comment i end up looking like a dick i'm trying to look smart and like i'm attentive i'm a douche um i had something i wanted to share with you guys at the end of this podcast how about it that that guy had a client that lost 250 pounds what a beast that's amazing Paper Street Coffee, Swolverine, BirthFit oh BirthFit I gotta contact her do you guys know what my most uncomfortable worst part of that podcast was with Houdet do you guys know what my most uncomfortable

worst part of that podcast was with Houdet? Do you guys know what it is? Do you know? Do you know? Do you guys know? Anyone know? Anyone want to guess? Jeez, Audrey! Are you kidding me? That's your new avatar pic?

Profile pic? Holy cow. Are you peeing? Yes. Yes, dude. You're so smart, Krista. Ha ha ha. No, I love an older wife I loved everything he said when he's talking about

the birthing and the steps and revisiting the hospital and getting feedback from the doctors I wanted to fucking blow my brains out oh that's so great you got it you got it I was okay the

the living in a field with like spraying and shit that was making me a little uncomfortable but yeah i wanted to talk to him about birthing but different show but he's too smart to like he's too smart to be like worried about you know like all that like he's got the talking points down for a socialist country. Good welfare, good healthcare, good blah. It's like, dude, you don't need any of that, dude. Joe Westland, Sevan, the Brazilian currency is pronounced hay ice. Hay ice.

Oh, that guy's Brazilian? Ricardo Garcia? He got a mix mix up of names. Garcia's a Mexican name and Ricardo is like an Italian name. I guess then you get Brazilian. Adam Blakeslee, I thought him pushing back against Joe got squirrely. No, I also think that there's a little bit. You have to remember he – is that dandruff on me? Oh, maybe I shaved.

Oh, I shaved my sideburns. Why didn't anyone tell me I had some white hairs on me? Some grays. I don't think it got – I think that – remember, the guy speaks like three languages. So there's kind of – you can – there's a little – he's processing a shitload. He's like one of those Macs that's got like 16 cores and shit. Like that dude's running a lot of shit. You notice – I don't think it's dandruff.

I don't really do dandruff. I don't have an itchy scalp. I think I shaved right here, like the squirrely grays up there. I need to shave in general. No, not beard. Not beard drift either. Richie Rich. I was watching the one with Saxon earlier.

Noticed Maquad's great again in the comments. Him and Saxon used to be training partners. That's really cool. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for your contribution. Jeez Louise. You can't always be in fight mode.

Any update on the behind the scenes? Very soon. Very soon. I don't know. I don't know. I have no no idea i just made that up i know episodes one is nearly done and episodes two is probably nearly done too i don't think this is the right show to pull to to do this what this bit i wanted to do. Last night I thought it was a great idea. A lyrics for two live crew Hey We Want

Some Pussy I was thinking the other day, this is a song I listen to a thousand times. Four thousand times? Ten thousand times? thousand times ten thousand times I listened to it

ten times a day for three years I don't know how long I don't know how long I listened to this whole album I had all the albums 2 Live Crew had and everyone in my school knew it too like they would play Like they would play this

They would play this at like school dances and shit And the lyrics are The group is 2 Live Crew I think they ended up getting sued by The Star Wars franchise George Lucas sued them Because one of the guys named the lead singer was,

his name was Luke Skywalker. And I guess you can't have that name if someone, I guess only one person can have that name. I don't know. And I was thinking about just like all the people out there tripping on the definition of words. People out there tripping on the definition of words. And it's like, dude, we had a whole entire fucking generation grow up with, hey, somebody say, hey, we want some pussy.

Hey, we want some pussy. Let me hear you say, hey, we want some pussy. Hey, we want some pussy. Hey, we want some pussy. It's crazy. And then there was that really famous line down here. I'll never forget it. I'll probably die. It says, if we can go backstage at the end of the show, I'll look at you and you will look at we with my dick in my hands as you fall to your knees you know what to do because i won't say please just nibble on my dick like a rat does

cheese like like i'll i'll die knowing those lyrics it reminds me what my dad said my dad told me he's like dude you're gonna look back when you're older and be like, what the fuck was I listening to? Philip Kelly, great lyrics. This is just one of many. This wasn't even like the most vile song I listened to. There's a crazy song that I used to listen to all the time that's a duet of Too Short and Biggie Smalls. Notorious B.I.G. Crazy lyrics, dude.

The craziest shit. All just crazy sex shit. I wasn't really into the violent shit. Just nibble on my dick. Like a rat does cheese. Everybody say hey. It's like. This is it. The whole fucking generation.

And now you want to tell me that there's some words I can and can't say? Sorry, dude. I mean, I can try. I understand. I'm not saying that some words aren't hurtful and people don't get hurt. I'm not saying that. But at the end of the day, my crew's been desensitized and and i'm glad like like we're good we're good um

i can't get wound up and get offended when when the theme song for my entire fucking the entire bay area um of california from sixth grade to uh my senior year in high school was nibble on my dick like a rat does cheese. Women were referred to as bitches and hoes. And it was in a loving way. It's just like. Guys were just fucking drug dealers. So. Yeah, I remember, Mr. Watkins, I remember.

I remember it was Al Gore's wife was trying to silence rappers. Remember that? Mad Marv, have you seen that chick that's trying to cancel hiller 2.0 no but that's another thing dude you guys the the the i would never ask for someone to go away like to not be allowed to do crossfit or to be taken off of instagram i shouldn't say never youFit or to be taken off of Instagram. I shouldn't say never. You'd have to be a pedo.

But this thing is like, hey, I'm going to – all the threats, dude. I would never ask you guys to go over and do something hurtful to someone. Never, ever, ever, ever. I thought about asking you guys to go over to James O'Keefe's Instagram account and demand that he come on my podcast. I've, I've had that fantasy of like, God, I should ask them just to go over and ask him if he'll come on. Just, just start fucking blowing them up. Please come on the seven podcast. I would never ask you to cancel someone. It's fucking crazy. Do you know what it reminds me of? Do you remember those movies where they would like, there would be the Ku Klux Klan and they would have pitchforks and they'd show up to someone's front door. You guys probably don't remember. There'd be like black

and white movies, like Westerns and shit. I would never do that. I would never, ever. I wouldn't want you to, I don't want anyone going over to someone else's house and being mean to them. If you come over to our house, yeah, we'll fucking slap you around. Beat your ass. You drive your fucking motorcycle up on my front yard. You want a piece? We'll fuck you up. I'll fuck you up. I'm not even going to ask you guys to come over and fuck them up. I'm going to go out there with my boys and we're going to fuck them up. I'm not going to ask. I'm not going to pick a fight with someone and then be like, yo, help. I'm not doing that. There's dudes that people have fucking flipped me off in a car before. And then I like about to flip the guy off. I'm like, nope, that dude will whoop my ass. I'm like, sorry. It's cool.

I get it. I get it. You pull up behind me in a big truck and I'm doing 80 in the fast lane. I'm getting the fuck out of the way. But never. It's okay. But stop trying to like. Stop threatening people.

I'm going to go tell daddy. I'm going to like. Stop the threat like. Stop threatening people. Physical whatever. I can't tell if you were physically threatening people or not. Just stop. Be cool, man.

My minivan does 80. I've done 100 in it. Not proud of it. Well, a little bit. It does 80. I like to set the cruise control like it's 70 or 75 uh mike artunian uh there's an interview with ice t somewhere back when he said that something about white people listening to rap music makes them talk crazy but it was still acceptable yeah that's just crazy talk anyway what he was saying makes everyone talk crazy.

I wouldn't take anything away. I would still if I could go back in time, I would still listen to two life crew. It brought me to a lot of I went through a whole phase of listening to the blues to Lightning Sam Hopkins. Robert Johnson. I fucking used to tear the fucking blues up. Smoked a lot of weed to that shit. Eric Clapton. tear the fucking blues up smoked a lot of weed to that shit eric clapton um but uh yeah the word thing you can't you can't sorry richard pryor eddie murphy rodney dangerfield no no one i listened to had a clean mouth Richard Pryor Eddie Murphy

Rodney Dangerfield No one I listened to had a clean mouth No one I listened to had a clean mouth Stop calling the cops Don't tell me what to do bitch Punk ass bitch to do, bitch. Punk-ass bitch.

I'm gonna tell my friends to come over to your fucking house and get you. Everyone go to David Weed's Instagram account and report him right now. How dare you But every time it came to me I was shit out of luck Cause I'd stick my dick in and it would get stuck The girls would say stop I'd say I'm not

That's enough I quit because you're busting me out I lost my place and just made the rest up off the top of my head. The girls would say stop. I'd say I'm not. That's enough. I quit because y'all busting me out. And please don't knock until you've tried it. So to all of you hoes, let's have group sex and do the Rambo.

That didn't flow. It's too good. Dude, this is the theme song for my fucking junior high and high school what do you want what do you want everyone not just mine I mean this was this was like cassette tape by the way this one in

NWA I had so many cassette tapes there's because I would burn through them and i would play them on you know what i would play them on let me see if i can find it tsr tape deck you guys are gonna love this yes are uh wow 220 in that tsr uh let me see it's radio shack radio shack so i had a computer. Yep, there it is. 50 bucks used. Oh my God, they have the tape deck my mom used to have too. So I had this computer.

It was fucking high tech. And you had this tape deck that you plugged into your computer. And that's how you loaded stuff onto your computer, right? Well, of course, I sucked at the computer. So I would bring that tape deck to my, to school. And I would leave it in my locker and kids would come over and listen to music in my locker. God, I was a little punk. I would let it play in my locker even when I wasn't in class.

So, like, you could, like, if you went by my locker and put your ear to it. Yeah, it was trash. The TSR-80. Is that what the big white thing was that I had it attached to? Hang up. No. I'm not gonna do that what are you talking about I'm not hanging up I'm gonna show you the tape

my mom had a tape deck too I thought I saw a picture of it a picture of it God you guys we used to do the funniest things we would my friends and I would always record stuff on tape players conversations eavesdrop we would tell stories we would play characters and we would record them and listen to them back

yeah I went through a shitload of batteries and we would record them and listen to them back. Yeah, I went through a shitload of batteries. Sevan, may you please comment on the lyrics from the hit song Truffle Butter? Do I know that song? It doesn't ring a bell with me. Truffle Butter. Bill Wayne. Bill Wayne. doesn't ring a bell with me truffle or bill wayne bill wayne uh oh nicky with nicky minaj oh yeah yeah i think i know this song i didn't know that was the name of the song let me see hold

on oh this isn't the have you seen the um i like the song. I don't know this song, I don't think. Do I? Oh, yeah, I know this song. I like the song more vile, crazy vile lyrics. I like the song that Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Drake, and who's the other guy who does it? Who's in it? He sings the hook. It's got the total

Nazi animation going on. It's crazy. Lil Wayne, Nicki, Drake. Who's the other guy in that song Chris Brown Chris Brown only I like only yeah look at this look at this

this is crazy look at this video right here they got the full Nazi propaganda shit going too not that I'm it's fucking wild look at this shit you guys ever seen this This video right here. They got the full fucking Nazi propaganda shit going too. Not that I'm... It's fucking wild. Look at this shit. You guys ever seen this? Wait, let me see if I can find the...

Yeah, this shit. Look at this. Look at that shit. Wild. Who designed that? They made two videos for this song. They got the animation one. Yeah.

I'm a product of my music. oh yeah that one yeah that's a great song it's called a lyric video oh is it it's called a lyric video oh it looks like nazi propaganda to me neither of the videos for that song are great. They could have been better. I think. Nicki Minaj is a trip. Alright. I don't know who's coming on tomorrow.

There was a chance that Tim Murray was coming on. I think you guys know him affectionately as Tater Tot. Tim Murray. And I think we were having trouble scheduling a time. Tim Murray is tied for the fittest dwarf with Mr. Wittius. And I think there's a chance this dude might be coming on. Or was.

I think we're rescheduling him. Sorry. He was coming on, and I think we're rescheduling him. So, soon. Hey, tomorrow, there's a very good chance that tomorrow Uh what's his name will be in the house Mr. Sousa Matt Sousa

Oh That might be cool Hey dude uh Fit Wars Fit Wars with uh Tim versus Mike might be good I'd cover the shit out of that Suza yeah

alright so this guy might be coming on tomorrow Tuesday is Greg Glassman's day I just he's taken off in an airplane to a far away land so I'm not sure and he's in a way different time zone now. Kristen Kettler.

Dear Seve, Seve, dear Seve, I know you would prefer to talk about Two Life Crew and the origins of your potty mouth. But if I may, I'd like to switch the subject to the Tahoe Challenge, which you filmed in 2010.

You and your lovely wife Haley filmed, to be more accurate. I also believe Kerry Peterson was there, and he also helped film it. God, you know a lot, Christian. That was the incredible year that the Rogue athletes versed the Again Faster athletes, with such talents as Rich Froning, Miko Salo, Graham Holmberg, Spieler, Camille Lebanque, Blaise Blaisene, and others were there competing against each other.

It's amazing, crazy to hear Camille call Dave a pussy. Oh, how times have changed. One of the original CrossFit shirts said CrossFit.com, I'm not a pussy anymore. That's what it said. Big on the back. CrossFit.com, I'm not a pussy anymore. Someone put Spiegel on timeout for that dumb ass picture and

keep telling me to hang out i do are you a wrench put yourself on timeout motherfucker uh yeah um don't just ignore justin v comment. Dude, you guys, stop. Oh, here we go. Uh, how you going to ignore my comment when I paid $1.99 literally have? You literally have? What the fuck kind of, because I only read English. Uh, thoughts on the latest morning chalk up post. The fuck today post. Thoughts on the latest morning chalk up post.

The fuck today post. Morning chalk. Where would I go? I'm assuming now that you're saying post, I think you mean Instagram. I mean, chalk up. Dude, I was actually thinking about James Townsend. I was actually just thinking about James Townsend. I haven't had him on in a while. I'm talking to my wife. I can't even process that shit.

I don't deadlift that. I don't know if I have 355 pounds worth of weights in my garage now that I think about it. Yeah, it's fucking savage. Hey, what's he have on his ankles? Are those just knee sleeves that are rolled down? Or are those ankle weights? Yeah, that dude never disappoints. That dude never disappoints.

I don't know. I don't know what he's a fucking stud wrong post fake fake weights wrong post that's three times Seve's weight not three times wrong not that post uh you have to you have a lot of mats though I do

and balls uh next post that is the oh next post that is the oh next post down let me see what's going on here the case for moving away from gender dude desperate times dude desperate times i'm focused on setting people free uh they're focused on um uh continuing to fucking build cages yeah it's um yeah call it what you want if you've ever stepped into a crossfit box odds are you've heard 35 pound barbell referred to as a woman's barbell and a 45 pound

barbell referred to as a men's barbell activist activist oh this chick's fucking psycho dude activist and owner i don't hey i don't even know if that person that's not even a i don't do you guys know that person's history that they're commenting on our activist and owner of rocket community fitness elisa royce do you guys know that person's history that they're commenting on? Activist and owner of Rocket Community Fitness, Alisa Royce. Do you guys know who that is? Wow. Oh, my. Yeah, she isn't even an affiliate owner.

Dude. It's. Man. God, every time I just I just want to. it's man god every time I just I just want to it's weird how poop attracts flies isn't it no matter what oh god

oh comments are now off for the post. Yeah, I mean, that makes total sense, right? Aren't they? Like, isn't Morning Chaka supposed to be like a newspaper or something? That's what it is, right? It's a modern-day newspaper. What do they call those? Do these have a name?

I think of them as a newspaper that, like, you used. But now, since it's 2023 and we don't have newspapers it's it's stuff like morning chalk up yes yes yes yes i don't even know if i want to give her any attention she but fucking crazy town banana pants dude hey and she knows she's crazy town banana pants you know what i mean it's like one of those people who goes to bed at night and is like, fuck, it sucks to be me. Imagine

I can't imagine Morning Chalkup featuring her. I guess I can. I don't know. I don't know where to, I don't know. If Greg comes on tomorrow, I can ask him about her. He would fucking tell you some crazy stories. I know some fucking just off the wall nutball stories about when I've been in the same room with her. Yeah, it's it's it would be like to.

I don't want to say anything disparaging. I really don't. Yeah, I have no issue with... I personally like it that I walk in – I like the two sexes. I love the two sexes. I love them. I love them. I love them.

I love them. And if someone doesn't love them, that's fine too. But then just don't use them. Just say the 35-pound bar and the 45-pound bar if you want. But like I like – I mean I haven't been to a mall in forever, but when I was a kid, I loved the female level and I loved the male level. And I like when I go to a clothes store, I like the clothes to be separated. You can't do that in California anymore, by the way. If your store makes over a certain amount of money or has over a certain amount of employees, you can't separate the boys' clothes from the girls' clothes.

There's all sorts of weird shit. Yeah, it's not healthy for it's It's not healthy for anyone It's not healthy for anyone Oh man yeah yeah yeah It's all that shit Vindicate the gym is in Seattle I don't I don't like any of that stuff uh r word n word uh where you just can't say the word i don't i'm not doing any of that stuff that's it's all unhealthy for the for the human brain in the

big picture and for these people who think like no one's making a case that you should say these words the people who who think that or that these words couldn't be hurtful anyone who thinks that that's the point is completely fucking not understanding the point you're like looking like this it's the fucking big picture it's the fucking big picture. It's the big picture. And none of us are trying to tell you not to be offended by that word. Be offended by it. Just don't demand it on us like it's a reality.

Don't bring your crazy to us. But we're totally, like, there's things that offend us. We're not asking you not to do those things. Yeah, it's a slippery slope. No one's saying that you should have a license plate that is condoning the use of a license plate that has a racial slur on it but you don't call that guy's fucking work or try to or start or start saying you can't have you can't have those words being used where does it end even if you don't like that word there's tons of shit that i don't like i'm not trying to

fucking put an end to it oh be sensitive be sensitive someone the emotional appeal doesn't work you're trying to do an emotional appeal to me on something that could end up ruining the rights of everyone on fucking planet earth no thank you i'm just i just want to just bring logic to it stop trying to bring emotional appeal. Well, they have a daughter with Down syndrome. Cool. Then the friends that they pick can be sensitive to that. When I worked in the home for mentally disabled adults

for five years, I lived there. I didn't walk around. I never said the word retard. I'm not in that environment anymore. When I was 16, I didn't like it if someone said I had a big nose And was short That hurt in that environment when I was in high school I didn't go to the fucking principal

And tell on anyone Or try to ban those words big and nose and short But now I'm in an environment Where I'm on a podcast and I'm 51 And I fucking love those words I'm leveraging them What if I'm on a podcast and I'm 51 and I fucking love those words. I'm leveraging them. What if I would have got those banned? Big nose short.

You guys see it? No one's condoning. Everything is situational. Pick the people you want to hang out with and it's cool but to call someone's work or to start saying the stuff that some of these people are saying i'm going to call so and so and end him forever he's never going to get to do anything with crossfit ever again and he's going to be poor he won't get to be rich like greg like dude first of all there's no chance of that happening and second of all because i'm going to sit here every day and do my do my thing unless you're unless unless unless you're talking about physically coming to my house

and killing me which i don't think you were and i hope you weren't but some people have told some people have told me that you're you're you're dangerous that maybe you were Threatening my family I don't know But dude I would never do that to you I would never suggest anyone do anything harmful to you Ask you to lose your job

I look forward I want you to win the games again next year And I have no even like ill will Against you like that You've gone completely fucking off your rocker uh cave dastro did you ever think that you'd have less freedom at 51 years old than when you did when you were 11 oh you mean like nationwide no i'm i'm more free, though, personally. I'm way more free. Dan Guerrero, also, your nose is not a disadvantage it must allow for some sick airflow except for the you know what's happened is i jumped into a swimming pool

fucked up on drugs and alcohol and i into three and you know what happened i hit the bottom and broke my nose i'm lucky i didn't fucking die and so one of them, I can't breathe through one of my nostrils like to breathe through it. I have to go like this. Oh, that must really creep Heidi out. And at night,

pretty much like there's one side I can't sleep on because it slowly collapses and closes. And then I fucking wake up and have to turn on the other side. I never had photography insurance, even though everyone told me I should get it. Justin V Snipping away At freedom of speech One word at a time Yeah so it's

Only going to make people dumber And less happy I don't know what deviated septum is But yes I definitely have that You think Yellow host is is gonna do top five next year at the CrossFit Games oh how did Tyson did how did the Bears do this week did Chicago win did they play again do they have a buy how did they do I assume if Tyson played, you guys would have fucking blown up my fucking Instagram.

Ken Walters. Your nose actually saved you, Sevan. Thank God that nose cushioned the blow from getting a broken neck. Or else you would have been an adaptive athlete. Eric Wise. Bears suck. Their QB sucks. Oh, Bears lost. Their QB sucks Bears lost their QB sucks Oh no

Cave Dastro I just felt the air pressure Change in my state when He took that big sniff Alright fuck you guys I won't tolerate that Show's over Love you

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