The Sevan Podcast - Brett Fraser | The Enhanced Games #976

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

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Jake, Captain, Dave Attaway. Good morning, Heidi. Wow, good to see all you guys. Adam live good morning everyone jake captain uh dave attaway good morning heidi wow good to see all you guys adam good morning i am here with brett frazier am i pronouncing your last name right that's correct frazier frazier um he is the chief athlete officer from the enhanced games uh before we dig in i'm going to show you guys this uh trailer brett i watched a bunch of interviews that you and um the suza have done um you know in in the past couple months i just want you to know that there will be no hostility from me in the regards that those d-bags were hostile towards we can uh we can talk about it all awesome it's crazy what a charged uh what a charged subject this is but let me play this

trailer i thought you guys did a fantastic job at it and um here we go i am the fastest man in the world but you've never heard of me I am the fastest man in the world. But you've never heard of me. I have broken Usain Bolt's 100-meter record. But I can't show you my face. I am a proud, enhanced athlete. The Olympics hate me. I need your help to come out. I need your help to stop hate. I need your help for the world to embrace science.

Come join me in 2024 at the first Enhanced Games and see me break the world record in public. You think 2024 is so ambitious, you think that's really going down? We'd like to see it. I mean, that's what we're planning for. Q4 2024, December is when we're planning to have the first games. And it'll probably be an exhibition where we choose select events and have athletes that are, you know, really trying to make a statement, breaking a world record or just vastly improving upon previous performance. And any locations in mind? We've conducted a site analysis exercise and it could be anywhere from the southeastern United States over to the west coast or you know we're entertaining several international venues as well. In the next few weeks we're going to announce more info with regards to the exact location,

but it's still very much in development right now. Any issues with the fact that it is a free games, meaning the athletes are allowed to participate in what I think, well, first of all, is it a free games? You can come in any, I'm guessing you can't, by enhanced games, it's talking about um some sort of chemical or pharmaceutical enhancement you can't wear stuff right to enhance you or can you that's right no so uh one of the biggest questions is you know i want to tie rockets to my shoes in

order to run faster right enhancing the human body not no accessories to the human body uh in in the initial fields anyway there might be a category for cybernetics which we introduce uh in the future however right now it's just you know the human body uh with the standard clothing and any other um any other tools that you would need in order to perform uh but yeah nothing uh nothing that's a a non-natural or or machine you know type of add-on to the human body. You know what this gives me the vibe when I hear you talk like that? It gives me this kind of science fair. Like if NASA was like, hey, if you can build a robot, you win the million dollars.

You know what I mean? This kind of innovation, entrepreneurial, and obviously you guys are pushing a science-y vibe to it. I'm really digging it. Any issues like legally doing an event where – I mean you probably heard like the Arnold has been raided by the FBI or the Mr. Universe has been raided by the FBI, right? They show up with a bunch of people and raid the hotel rooms looking for steroids that the bodybuilders are on. I mean, we all know they're on them, right? But it's, but they're not, right? It's illegal. Any issues with that? Like doing an event in California where let's say the trend is illegal, but you know, half the athletes are on it. So we're still working through how to abide by, uh, wherever the events taking place to abide by the local law and, um, uh, work with authorities and, um, the systems to make sure that we're

doing everything correctly. Um, the bodily autonomy that we're allowing athletes to have, it's basically to say you're free to take whatever enhancements with medical supervision and clinical supervision in order to optimize your body to train and perform at your best. So the legal implications of it, we're going to resolve. And the safety of the games and the fairness of the games is what we're trying to put at the forefront. And those are the paramount pillars that we're hoping to operate the first games on right now. And when you say exhibition, can you give me an idea of some of the events we would see?

Sure. So if you just think about it, like if you're going to the Olympics, which tickets are you buying? You're probably going to watch the 50-meter freestyle, the 100-meter freestyle, the 100-meter, 200-meter dash, several gymnastic, select gymnastic events and uh some combat sports so while we may not have you know the full lineup of events i think we're going to have what is watched the most the short distance sprint events in track and field and

would you have them combative i don't think the o has MMA, does it? Would you guys have MMA? Yeah, we're considering MMA, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Those combat sports are pretty heavily watched. And I think they'll draw a very supportive crowd and the entertainment value of those is substantial. Yeah, it's crazy. Some of the pushback I've seen from people when I've seen Aaron on some podcasts and on some, I don't know what you would call them, sports shows. But people talk about the safety of the athletes. When in reality, the safety is kind of enhanced because, I mean, are you familiar with the Abu Dhabi Combat Challenge, ADCC? Yes. The biggest jiu-jitsu.

Okay. with the Abu Dhabi combat challenge, ADCC? Yes. The biggest jiu-jitsu. Okay. Like, I think it's known that, you know, or it's accepted that 90% of the guys there are juiced to the gills. And basically what you, you guys are basically,

what you're doing is you're setting up an environment where athletes don't have to lie, which I think is huge. And then where, since they don't have to lie everything becomes safer theoretically right yes uh savann i mean as it's happening now is you have athletes that are taking substances in the dark with no understanding of how to administer these medications or therapies how much to take and the long-term effects of it uh they're doing this without clinical supervision so what we're trying to and what we will be doing is amassing a panel of doctors and scientists where athletes, if they choose to be enhanced, can consult with these medical professionals to get their opinion on when to take it, how to take it, and what it's going to do for

them. In sports today, I mean, the fairness of competition just isn't there because you're, you're always going to have, uh, people who are going to try to beat the system and take, uh, take performance enhancements. And they're going to do this in, in, by any means necessary. And I think that's a very unsafe practice. Uh, so we're really hoping to solve, um, the issue with the, the enhancements being unsafe and misunderstood and allowing a much more safer environment for athletes to utilize these resources. Obviously, this crowd wants this.

Will there be powerlifting, Olympic lifting, clean and jerk snatch? I mean, this crowd would love that. There will be powerlifting. I think we're going to have a few events that are going to be that are not currently on the Olympic lineup right now that I think will be really entertaining. But, yes, we're going to have weightlifting. are already heavily steeped in pharmaceuticals that enhance their abilities and almost like start there, right? Yeah, that's right. I mean, I think your question is basically to take which sports have the most high octane right now. Yeah. Center stage for us. Yeah. Or something like

jujitsu where at the highest level level it's just known that so many people are doing it or in in uh i don't know about i don't want to speak about this like i know but i think i know like in power lifting none of those guys look like the guy who's dead lifting a thousand pounds none of those guys look like anyone i think who is who hasn't enhanced themselves yeah that's right i think enhancements are going to influence different events in weightlifting, we're going to see hopefully, major differences, improvements upon current natural world records, I think, in track and field and swimming, we're going to see more incremental, because it's not to say like, you know, any professional

athlete and medical professional is not going to go and take, you know, a million milligrams of whatever substance it is in order to allow them to be faster. It's going to be very nuanced treatments that doctors are going to prescribe to athletes. And then depending on the sport, I think we're going to see varying levels of improvement, but improvement, significant improvement across the board in terms of the share performance. This is an interesting statement. Do you know who Clarence Kennedy is by any chance, Brett? Clarence Kennedy, the name sounds familiar.

It doesn't matter that you don't know him, but he's basically done an – he's a fascinating character. He's on Instagram. He's basically been very open about his journey um using um steroids and he would be an awesome and he i believe he's a strong proponent of it um but he'd be an awesome um i don't know what the word is ally for you guys or just at least someone to pick their brain and he's crazy hugely influential in the space because he's kind of normal. Some of these guys don't get, they kind of lose their normalcy. It starts to turn into a freak show. Is he more of an actor involved in the industry?

Weightlifting. He's a weightlifting guy. Yeah. And I'll send you, when we're off, I'll send you his Instagram and whatnot. Any limits on what you can take? No. Basically, any substance or therapy is, is open for, for use. Uh, we do recommend and require the use of clinical supervision in order to, um, take these compounds and prescribe the compounds.

So while you can take, you have freedom to take whatever you wish, you need to, and you have to consult with a medical professional in order to understand the safety of it and the application for it. Has anyone overtly come out of the woodworks and just trying to stop you guys? Do you guys have anyone who's just besides with their mouths? Has anyone tried to litigate you guys or is messing with you guys? No, it's been pretty interesting since the launch we've seen you know as with anything controversial and bold on both sides of both sides of the spectrum and because no one's challenged the

olympics or this level of elite competition before um there's been a lot of uh you know why are you doing this this makes no sense is this real and um that's been most of the way for it we haven't really seen anything you know concrete uh yet however uh we're prepared for the battles that we that we know that we're going to face and um because we're challenging such a uh such such a old established system um with i think very salient points as to why it's not working anymore uh you know we expect to be challenged and we're prepared to uh to face that why do you think like when um you or aaron go on these shows um there's such a um immediate hostile reaction to it you think it's just dogma like they just hear you think it's just dogma or why the hostility? I think it's because everyone's scared of change.

And this is a major change and kind of a fresh take that we're putting on elite competition. The Olympics have worked for a while in the public's eyes. However, for athletes and having been a former athlete myself, I know the system is broken. having been a former athlete myself, I know the system is broken. And there is a lot of misunderstanding between the fairness of competition and allowing athletes to have bodily autonomy by allowing them to take, you know, whatever performance enhancements there is, there are. So I think there's a lot of mixed, there's a lot of mix up between what we're actually trying to do.

And we're not promoting unfair competition. We're actually trying to create a competition where everything is fair and much more fair today. People are going to continue to cheat and abuse the system, which, you know, WADA hasn't really worked, as we've seen with various documentaries and controversies over the past 10 years. So the backlash, I think, originally comes from, why are you going after these, you know, clandestine organizations? Why are you challenging what is not broken, but it is broken. And we've seen by the responses and signups that we've gained since we've launched that, excuse me, we do have support. And while it's going to take time to educate the public, we're happy to do that. But the initial backlash, I think, comes from just kind of a lack of understanding. And why would you ever challenge

such a major organization that has been successful since the beginning of its since inception? that has been successful since the beginning of its since inception. Any thoughts of how long let's say let's assume this thing gets off the ground. I wonder how long before they open up a class at the Olympics that's enhanced. You know what I mean? If you can't beat them, join them kind of thing. Sure. I mean, what our hope is, is that's that class is not going to happen. It's either going to be the enhanced games and the Olympic games, or we're going to find a middle ground where we're going to address the elephant in the room, which is many athletes are doping or want to explore what the potential is of their bodies,

and then open up another category, which we are developing right now. what the potential is of their bodies and then open up another category, which we are developing right now. So I think, uh, maybe we're five or 10 years ahead of, of, of, uh, where we should be, but with the introduction of CRISPR babies and genetically modified, uh, humans, I mean, some humans are going to have a molecular advantage, uh, you know, in the next five to 10 years and thereafter, uh, anyway, so that's going to be the next debated topic uh should someone who's genetically modified be able to compete in in a normal male

and female category at the olympics uh crisper baby um he januki shocked the scientific community in 2018 by announcing his team had used the CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing tool on twin girls when they were just embryos resulting in the birth of the world's first genetically modified babies. A third gene edited child was born a year later. What's a CRISPR baby? So basically picking and choosing which features you'd like to have uh in young in in babies so you bet you you get to create a designer baby which may have a molecular advantage by by ways of using oxygen and red blood cells more efficiently um so to that topic uh you know we're thinking about this now going forward because this is the future and this is you know as of a few years ago uh happening oh and this is happening is this is this um this this particular case is in china is

that where it's all happening i'm not sure exactly where it's happening but we just know it's it's possible and the way that the world is trending i mean technology is embraced uh pretty much in every field other than sports so we're understanding where the world's going and there's a demand to view this category of enhanced sports. So yeah, we're understanding what the reality is and creating a platform and system in order to address that. I know this is pretty close-minded of myself, but I personally would just want to be,

me thinking of just being born on planet Earth, I would just want to be born just normal and breastfeed off a woman and come out through the vagina. I just want to, and then then just i don't know then then have the opportunity to choose i know this is off subject a little bit but then have the opportunity to choose whether i want to get juiced up to the gills or how hard i want to work to train or i want to move to colorado and train at elevation god would you want to be would you want to be a baby that was tampered with me personally my opinion is no i'd want to yeah yeah as possible and then you know kind of me too live a natural life which i did as an athlete as well

yeah uh and then you know once things change or once you start to feel a different way and once you start to feel the effects of aging um then i'd want to you know understand what options are available uh you know by way of of medicine and speaking with doctors and scientists i think this is uh uh this is what i would want to do but initially you know as naturally as possible i think uh would be how i how i would want to do it yeah like look at this guy this um i want to crisper my baby to be a five foot five armenian man he's making fun of me he's saying that like to be a 5'5 Armenian man. He's making fun of me. He's saying that no one would

genetically choose to make me. How tall are you, Brett? I'm 6'2". And how much do you weigh? 190, 195. Yeah. More likely, do you know what ethnicity you are? So,

I'm mixed race. I'd say it's not straight. It it's black and white um do you know where your white side's from it's it's from canada but originally oh that's fucked up okay that's one strike against you and what about your black side do you know where that's from uh jamaican oh okay jamaican and where are jicans? Do you know where Jamaicans from are originally? Africa. I think Nigeria. Oh, that's good.

Nigeria is good. Yeah. So I was born and raised in the Caribbean. My father was born in Canada, and my mother was born in the Cayman Islands. So the CRISPR could take out his Canadian side and work with his and work with his Nigerian side and at least you're six too. I mean, I don't know. Both sides, I think worked very well for me in, in the athletic, uh, in the athletic field. Fine. But I'm just telling you me personally, I'd rather be Nigerian than,

um, well, that's, I mean, that's what, what we think. Uh, right, right. I mean, uh, Nigerians are doing great in the united states and i'm a big and i'm a big ufc fan okay where they're where they're kicking ass do you watch the ufc yeah from time to time they got um uh um uh kamaru uzman the greatest welterweight who ever lived nigerian so um tell me um tell me about um this is switching subjects a little bit too, about going to the Olympics. You went there as a swimmer? I did. In 2008 and 2012?

And 2020-21, the Tokyo Olympics, which happened in 2021. That puts you in some pretty rarefied air, huh? Three Olympics? Yes. Can you tell me about how old were you in 2008? I was 18. Holy cow. And when did you start swimming? I learned to swim probably when I was a year old. We up uh we grew up near the beach we had a pool so water safety was very important uh developed a love for the water at a very young age and then continued

to develop talent in the pool I would say seriously at the age of eight or nine uh I remember by the age of 11 I was on a pretty pretty intense uh training schedule, yeah, I was training seriously by the age of 10. Were your parents athletes? My dad played football. My mom just played recreational, like volleyball, but both very much into fitness. And when you say your dad played football, is that American soccer or American football?

Canadian. Canadian. He played in, yeah, in college. Wow. And that's the one with the pads and stuff, right? Is Canadian football similar to the National Football League? Yes. Yeah.

Wow. And you were living where at the time when you lived at the beach? I was born and raised in the Cayman Islands. Grand Cayman. How did your parents end up there in the Cayman Islands if he was a football player in Canada? My dad visited the Cayman Islands on vacation, met my mother on a blind date, and never moved back.

My mom was born and raised in the Cayman Islands. Wow. And you have two other brothers? I do. Younger? I'm the middle, so one older and one younger uh my older brother was a swimmer as well yeah there's this this picture you have here is crazy this is um this is at oh shoot oh yeah this is at the olympics and in london and you guys are in in the same race

is that that's two phrasers that's your brother down there right three and eight And in London, and you guys are in the same race. That's two Frasers. That's your brother down there, right? Three and eight? Yep. This is the semifinal of the 100 freestyle. Were your mom and dad there? Yes.

Dude, that's crazy. Do you know any other brothers who competed against each other in the Olympics? At the Olympics, the only ones that come to mind, I'm not sure if they were in the same heat or final, was the Dunford brothers who swam at Stanford, and they are from Kenya. Crazy. And I guess there were those, not in swimming, but the rowing event, the Facebook guys. They were brothers, right? Yeah, the Winklevoss twins.

Yeah, and they did the rowing. That's right. How much of your parents, when you were swimming at 10, how much of your swimming was kind of forced by your – I three boys so this is asking for myself how much of it was kind of forced by your parents or or really encouraged versus how much of it was you uh none of it was forced uh it was encouraged um we played different sports tennis track and field rugby uh football soccer um so we did everything but swimming was just one that for reasons that you know i'm not i'm not exactly sure maybe it was because me and my brother both both liked it as much and we shared that and we just were on the same schedule uh swimming was the sport that we chose and i saw and heard what it could what it could do and where it could take you and you

know i decided to commit to that um from a young. And I wasn't as good as my older brother when I was younger. So I got to see with dedication and persistence and success in the sport, what that could do for you. And I wanted the same thing. I wanted to become as best of a swimmer that I could and see where that took me. So my ticket, I guess, off of the island was to become of a swimmer that I, that I could and see where that took me. So my ticket, I guess, off of the Island was to become a good swimmer, go to college, study,

and then, you know, see what, what happened thereafter in terms of a professional career in the sport. So it could have been anything you could have, you could have, you think you would have played sports regardless professionally, but it could have been track and field. It could have been tennis. You could have actually turned your head and focused on it. You could have chased a girl into tennis or into track and field. I think the reason why swimming stuck was because on the island,

we had really good and experienced coaches that came from the U.S. to train athletes in the Cayman Islands. So I think because of the timing and the fortune of just being at the right place at the right time, we were able to access coaches that developed our talent well. Are you genetically predisposed to be a good swimmer? Your height and your frame

and the weight your body carries and your muscle to fat ratio and all that shit that I'm guessing they determined makes a great swimmer uh your your height and your frame and the in the weight your body carries and your muscle to fat ratio and all that shit that you know i'm guessing they determine makes a great swimmer yeah i would say my body is a little um it's unique in the sense where my wingspan is very long for my height and then uh my legs kind of have a very, they're very flexible at the knees. So these small things, yes, I've noticed over time that, uh, I think they would have given me an advantage just because of how swimmers are, uh, are composed. So, uh, yeah, there are a few, uh, there are a few things on my body where I think it's helped. And you probably would have been great at tennis too. Although

maybe it's crazy to say this is even a little short for tennis um yeah you say tennis and not any other sport i was i'm sorry oh can my kids play tennis and my kids are never going to be over five six but they're but we play tennis five days a week we do jiu-jitsu five days that's why i chose 10 when you said you played tennis i was like oh six two he could be a pretty good tennis player especially if you have a long wingspan right yeah um i feel my body's been conditioned uh because i've spent so many hours in the pool to the sport of swimming so once i finished uh swimming and retired uh getting good at ball sports and i was good at strength training just because that's a component to being a good swimmer but you know hand-eye coordination was there but just developing uh

techniques and skills with every other sport took a while um just because you're so specialized in one yeah how many at 10 years old how many hours a day were you in the pool on a busy day i would say like two and a half to three, a busy day being Monday where you have two days. So you're up in the morning, an hour and a half. Swim practices for elite swimmers are about two hours long. Say that again. Sorry.

About two hours long, no matter the age. So in your early teenage years, you're, you're swimming for an hour and a half. And then that might be twice a day. And that those two days are two or three times a week, sometimes four. And it's a tough practice, right?

It's monotonous. I always hear swimmers talk about how they're just looking down at the black line, back and forth, back and forth. That's right. Swimming is not for everyone. It's a sport where you have to put in your time. You have to put in the effort that it takes in order to develop the technique and skill and then just continue to do that over and over and over. Swimming on your own would be really challenging.

So that's why swimming in teams is I would never train on my own. I would always have to do a practice with the team. And that makes it difficult for some people because of how monotonous, like you mentioned, is practicing can be. So yeah, it is one of those sports where you really have to love the sport, love the community and, you know, just be invested in it. Is there a drug specifically for swimming like you know lance it was it was the epo in for the bikers or bodybuilders i don't know some sort of steroid is there a drug that's like you look around at your swimming buddies and you're like yep he's on that is there one no not to my knowledge okay because uh some of those guys not you i mean you look pretty muscular but some of those guys like mich Michael Phelps didn't look like he had a – I mean, he looked almost skinny fat his entire career.

Well, you could say the same thing about Lance. I guess you're right. I guess you're right. Yeah. I guess you're right. You think EPO would be a good drug? Lung power is important. I guess lung power is important in swimming, especially for the longer races. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what would be a good enhancement for someone to take.

Not a doctor, not a medical professional. But for swimming, I can tell you that if you had increased capacity for your lungs to intake oxygen and the way that your red blood cells used oxygen, if that happened in a more efficient manner, I think that would help swimmers succeed and improve a lot in their events, some strength here and there.

So if you were to take steroids to improve certain movements and allow yourself to be stronger in the water, that may help as well. But I think basically lung capacity and use of oxygen, if you could optimize and create efficiencies around that, that would probably be the best for swimmers. Do you think that drugs are pretty, do you think drugs are everywhere in the Olympics? You think it's like 50% of the athletes are on it?

I think, I think they're prevalent. I mean, I think there are therapies right now that the World Anti-Doping Agency just cannot test for because they're so far ahead of the curve. And they're not technically illegal because they're not understood or known about. uh so um i think yeah i i think it's really tough to understand what exactly is going on today because of how fragmented and how fragmented and how uh uh just kind of disassociated the the the testing system is so let me take another step of this so to say the athletic field especially where there's a lot of money is absolutely not level and the reason why it's not level is because there's a lack of transparency around the conversation because of fear of going to jail is that is that a fair statement would you agree with that i have a fear of going to jail for

just like um these guys are afraid they're gonna go to jail for um for maybe jail is not the right word they're afraid they're gonna there's a lack i don't know for lying about um being on the drugs or for taking illegal drugs let's we could put something else besides uh going to jail afraid of public complete public ridicule right well i think there are two sides to it i mean i think some people may take uh enhancements in order to train and they only take them during training in order to get to a level where okay i'm good now i don't need to take them anymore i have uh i have the results that i was looking for and they continue to train and they're clean, but they're not fully clean because they've taken something at some point in time. I think this is what has happened or is happening.

The use of enhancements in competition where it's not allowed right now, it's a little more rare, but I think the enhancement happens before the testing period begins or before the time frame where athletes are eligible to be caught yeah yeah i i i don't like the situation i'm i'm a big i don't like putting people in situations where they have to lie where they just overtly are going to lie you're going to take these people who are like you like, who have been training since they've been 1 to 18 to get to their sport, and then now you're going to put them in a situation – I mean their whole life is dedicated to this, and you're going to put them in a situation where they know other people around them are taking things to get that edge and then you're asking them to basically basically all but asking them to cheat while trying to hunt them down there's a lot of pressure on a lot of different athletes by a lot of different people in order to perform and athletes uh having basically no other option

they have to perform and because of that, they're willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen. If athletes don't perform, then kind of their lives fall apart. If they don't win, they don't really have a major financial incentive as well, which is something we're trying to solve that we're trying to create a base compensation package for athletes who are ranked at a certain level uh the prize money that we're building into uh the events is is also substantial so athletes right now kind of are in a in a predicament where if they don't perform they have they have less or nothing but if they perform they have something but that something's

not enough for them to live a comfortable uh fulfilling life after being the best or one of the best in the world. And that's another thing that the enhanced games hope to do, increase the prize money, the lucrativeness of competition. That's right. Substantially. Jail, clock, jail is the right word in a lot of European countries. Doping is illegal in France, Spain, and many others. Okay. So some places you go to jail maybe some there's probably a country where they cut your hands off too

there might be right brett when you're you go to the olympics in 2008 when when did you start having like olympic um aspirations when did you be like oh shit this could happen probably uh i would say probably at summer camp swimming summer camp and like when i was like 10 or 11 uh wow early yeah we had olympians that would come in teach us uh technique whole technique workshops and we kind of swim along uh usa olympians and that for me was a really that was the motivating motivating factor for me to you know i want to make it to the olympics we got the whole gold medals and uh just interact with olympians uh which i think was was great and really um allowed me to paint a vision for myself of where i wanted to go however uh i understood this was a very

formidable uh goal and and a major achievement so it wasn't probably until i was like 16 or 17 where i started to take it seriously and uh understood how much more work i would continue to have to do in order to to make it happen in 2008 which i was relatively uh young for a swimmer um to compete at the olympics at 18. did you in what 2008 so i guess i guess the internet was was was alive it was just kind of getting going yeah on Instagram but I think there was you know a live version of YouTube but still journalists

covering stories that are going to mass media and you probably where I was going to go with this is in 2008 I like now I can go online and fucking get any drug I want. I don't know anyone who was doing that shit in 2008, like going online and just ordering drugs and having them sent to their house. But did you ever consider, hey, what advantages can I get? Did you ever consider going online? I mean, I guess you couldn't do it. Did you ever think were you ever

approached by anyone? Hey, you need to do this illegally to go to the Olympics? No, I was not approached by anyone. And I didn't really have a desire to kind of enhance my body at the time. I wanted to be a natural athlete and I chose to be a natural athlete. And I think a hypothetical scenario scenario would be is towards the end of my career, if I was hitting a plateau or became stagnant in my training and competition, it would be good to understand from medical professionals what could help me continue to improve and excel and perform in a more powerful manner. But back in the day when I was young, it was just all the natural stuff, but the natural stuff I'm describing as a creatine, the BCAAs. I abided by all of Waters' rules and took only what was allowed, but who gets to say what's allowed and what's not allowed? Why is creatine allowed? Why are certain substances on the ban list? Why are certain substances not on the ban list?

So it's, you know, it's, there's a, there's a lot of ambiguity between what is and what isn't. When, after the 2008 Olympics, were you, were you like, oh my God, I made it. This is great. Or was there a disappointment, you know? No, it was not a disappointment. I made it this is great or was there a disappointment you know no it was not a disappointment i made it there i'm there uh i went back and i said in four years i want to be uh performing or competing at the olympics in a much different way than i went to my first time it was very motivating uh you got to swim among the best in the world you got to be among the best athletes uh in the world and i went back to college and put my head down for four years and understood what I wanted to do at the London Games.

How close were you to not qualifying in 2012? Was it competitive getting out to represent your country? It's always competitive, but I was fully qualified to the highest standard. It's always competitive, but I was fully qualified to the highest standard. While my country didn't hold Olympic trials because we're too small, we don't have that many athletes. I had to qualify to an international standard, which was the FINA A-cut. FINA is the governing body for swimming. Basically, if you have an A-cut in your event you're automatically uh allowed to participate if you have a b standard um that means that's conditional and you have to wait to see how many people if many people swim

fast swim faster than you do and what that ranking is and then at a time which is about a month a month and a half or a month before the olympics they release who from the b standards are going but uh if you have an a standard, you're automatically going. And it's a rule of thumb. Basically, an A standard means you're about top 15 to 20 in the world, depending on the event. And you went in with the A standard? Correct.

Oh, badass. And so you go to 2012 Olympics, and now you're 22. Yes. And how was that one was that one um satisfying very satisfying uh i you know as any athlete as they go about their career competition yes the olympics is the biggest competition it's the stage where you have to perform it's where the most pressure is it has the most prestige everyone's going to be watching but the lead-up competition to this also give you that environment to practice in so i knew that once the olympics came back around again i needed to treat it like it was

the most important business meeting in my entire life so i used every single competition in college and internationally world championships commonwealth games Games, to continue to kind of refine my racing skills. So once the Olympics came back around, with the training that I had put in and where I've developed my body and training to be, I'd be ready to go. So like anything that someone becomes really good at, it takes a lot of practice. So that's what I understood that I needed to kind of master well before 2012 in order to perform there without, for me, that's the type of preparation

that I wanted to take on before the game. So I felt very prepared going into London. How many races did you do in 2008? One. And how many races did you do in 2008 one and how many races did you do in 2012 three so you got in the water three times in 2012 more than three if you count the uh semi-finals wow congratulations holy shit and and then and then nine years later you went again to the olympics when you were done in 2012 did you were you kind of like bye and like kiss the ground and kiss the pool and then bye bye i was done i didn't want to smell chlorine or see a pool again yeah yeah i you know it's kind of like you know very

thankful for the experiences and the and the network and the you know everything that swimming had gotten me up until that's thus far so I was just you know I had done it since such a young age and I was just ready to be ready to have some distance from the sport um so moved up to New York got a job worked in finance did the you know kind of regular uh thing um and that was all the Cayman islands to go to New York. Well, I left the Cayman islands to go to Gainesville, Florida, to the university of Florida when I was, Oh, right, right. Okay. I saw that on your wiki.

So, and then after that, after I retired, I moved up to New York and kind of started life, uh, over, um, got a, you know, a job in finance and, uh, just worked, just wanted, you know, a ready, uh, a steady, regular and just worked. Just wanted a steady regular lifestyle. I have always missed competition in sports swimming. Training sometimes

is really tough. I have varying it varies from time to time whether I want to train for swimming or not but competing competing I would always want to compete and that's what I missed about swimming and when I figured the time was right or there was another opportunity coming up um I considered competing at the Rio Olympics but my heart wasn't in sport um and it was very clear at that time so I decided

you know let's just continue to work and I guess guess there would be one more chance to swim in the Olympics if it came up, which would be in 2020. And 2019, I kind of toyed with the idea. And in the middle of the year in 2019, I decided to jump in, get back into training and give Tokyo a real shot, which I didn't win a medal in 2012. But that was the plan. In order to go back and train for another Olympics, the goal here is to win a gold medal. So mentally and physically, I maintained my strengths. While I wasn't swimming during the seven, eight years where we're at London Olympics and Rio Olympics in between those. So it wasn't too hard to get back into swimming shape. I mean, once you build the technique and once you master the technique of swimming, it's

really hard to forget. And I maintained that over the years. And when I was ready to get back into full swing training, it took about two or three months to get back up to speed and then improve. So 2008, 2012, you go to the Olympics, you take some time off.

Was there ever, what was the longest you didn't go into the pool? Did you ever go a year without swimming? Between that time period? Yeah. Years. Without ever going into a pool period. I mean,

going into a pool, but mean going into a pool but not like going in for exercise not moving my body like i would uh during during a during training like what like just like how i go into a pool like at a hotel with a margarita in my hand similar i mean i jump into a pool and people are always like you know let's you swim let's race i'm like not right now i'm i'm done like i kind of just want to enjoy trying to be in korea without uh uh too many memories um but yeah years went by i i would say you know there was at least one full year 365 days where uh i did not touch the water or was uh was in the water for exercise when you go to the first olympics and you only get to get in the water for exercise.

When you go to the first Olympics and you only get to get in the pool once, are you disappointed? You're like, fuck, this is bullshit. I worked so hard. I only got to go in the pool once. They should let me go in at least three times. People work so hard to get here. No, I mean, I understood that going to the Olympics,

you have to, in certain events, it's semifinal, it's prelim, sems semifinals finals which I saw in the 200 backstroke in Beijing so would have been three I understood that you have to be good in prelims you have to be good in semifinals and you have to be the best in finals so coming in at such a young age I was just happy to be there I wanted to obviously perform as best as i could but it was unrealistic given the age and where i was at the time uh to perform um you know with with exceeding exceeding the unrealistic expectations i was very happy with with what i was able to accomplish in 2008 okay so pardon me while i talk to my friends for a second in the chat. Listen, see, he's not a pussy.

Quit complaining about the cuts. Clock, the cuts conversation has been going on for more than a week in the CF space and seems to me like it won't stop anytime soon. Listen, the cuts are fine. I cover the CrossFit Games quite thoroughly, and the CrossFit Games are coming up, and people are upset that there's going to be cuts. Cuts meaning that people are getting uh they're trimming down the roster yes sir so so uh 40 men will show up in 40 women they'll do and no one knows there's the number of event events but we're speculating though there will be six events and

then the bottom 10 will get sent to the beer garden. And then there'll be another six events. And then the next bottom 20% will get sent to the beer garden. And then we'll finish the last however many events there are with just the 10 best or 20 best guys. And I think that's fine. But people are always making these emotional appeals. Oh, they work so hard to get there. We're not really going to find out who the best is. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

I mean, it's a competition at the end of the day. I mean, numbers don't lie. So pretty simple. Good morning, Blade. Good to see you, brother. Yeah, 1.75 speed. That's fine. Slow it down a little bit.

1.5, 1.5. I don't want you to miss anything. And then, so one time in the pool to four times in the pool to in 2021 you actually think you're going to get a medal or isn't is does anyone ever kind of try to dash your dreams or like hey dude you already made it once to the olympics or dude you're too old 2021 are you crazy or do people in your year people will have opinions about everything people will talk about everything as long as humans are around they're you know human topic uh and anyone that's trying to do

something that goes against the status quo or that is bold i think will always be talked about i had no problem um continuing to do what it is that i wanted to do because i was doing this for myself not anyone else uh so if this is something that I wanted to do, it's going to happen. And if other people in my country benefit from the success I'm able to achieve, then that's great. But I'm not doing it for people that are, you know, continuously trying to downplay your aspirations. After making the semifinal in two events at the London Games,

I wanted to make a final. And I wanted to give myself a shot at winning a medal. And that's why I went back to Tokyo. I thought it was going to be done after London, but because there was just the right confluence of events right before 2020, I decided to jump back in the pool and give myself that shot that I wanted. And then the pandemic happened, you know, another wrench in the system where my training got interrupted because of the pandemic,

like everyone's lives did as well. So I was very confident going into the games that the event of focus, which was the 100-meter freestyle, I would have been able to give myself that chance should things have gone differently with the with the pandemic it's kind of funny too they did a uh experimental drug test on the entire planet earth they forced my kid my kids aren't allowed to attend school unless they take 76 shots and yet you're worried about grown ass adults taking some performance enhancing drugs and wanting to get together and compete and see what human beings are actually capable of. It's fucking mind boggling. And I bet you, I bet you the people who are most against it are those people who insist my kids take untested, untried, untrue drugs in order to attend school.

untested, untried, untrue drugs in order to attend school. It's also just shocking to me what medications are allowed to be taken in competition right now. You can take pretty much any opioid. You can take... You can? I don't believe opioids are banned out of competition. I need to double check if they're banned in competition, but I'm pretty sure they're not. I need to double check if they're banned in competition, but I'm pretty sure they're not. So it's interesting to see, you know, teenagers being prescribed these concentration medications that have amphetamines in them with no long term studies.

So it's it's kind of backwards and it's very misaligned with, you know, athletes. You're allowed to take this this not allowed to take that some athletes have uh their therapeutic use exemptions where they can they are allowed to take what others can't as well crazy um how did you end up doing in 2021 i so i saw the 50 meter freestyle i was originally going to swim the 100 and the 50 with a focus on the hundred. I think I placed, I didn't make the semifinal. I think I placed 24th or between 24th and 30. Can't remember exactly, but once they delayed the Olympics, I knew it was going to be a whole different game because the setup that I

had going into when the original date was scheduled for Tokyo was a whole different training environment that I had to continue to support for that year of the delay. But you did have the goal to win a medal. And you didn't have that goal the first two times you went? I had that goal the second time that I went. The first time that I went? I had that goal the second time that I went. The first time that I went was the mindset that I had. However, being realistic and understanding where I was in my training was I knew it likely wasn't going to happen at that time. But in the next four years, when I came back as a 22 year old, the tools that I had access to, I knew that having been in

training with other Olympic gold medalists every single day, there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to develop these skills on my own. And in four years, come back and try to make that shot at a medal happen. Do you play pickleball? I've played pickleball, I think, once or twice, yeah. And where are you living now, Brett? I'm in Miami, Florida. Oh, okay. yeah and where are you living now brett i'm in miami florida okay and is it this uh this guy aaron uh is it de souza or aaron souza aaron de souza de souza is he related to dinesh by any

chance i don't believe so okay do you know who that is dinesh de souza yes the filmmaker okay The filmmaker? Okay. And Aaron doesn't – neither you or Aaron look like you are partaking in any chemical enhancements. I mean for all I know, maybe you're like me and you're taking some peptides, BPC-157, in your arm. But what is – Aaron's the founder of the Enhanced Games? That's correct. And what is his inspiration, his motivation? Aaron's very good at solving problems. And I think he understands that the, the current setup of the IOC and how the Olympics are run is a inefficient,

corrupt misaligned organization that doesn't, that basically exploits athletes and, you know, feeds those at the top in the management, on the management side of things and athletes who sacrifice their entire lives and careers to be the best in the world, you know, benefit for that. So this is a problem solved and Aaron's really good at identifying where corrections need to happen, no matter how controversial they are, and then creating solutions and solving those problems. What's his sport? What's he play? I think Aaron played rugby formerly.

No shit. He's an avid sports fan as well. So it's not to say that someone from the outside, it actually might be better for someone who isn't intimately involved with sports to come in, diagnose the problem, bring a fresh perspective into a field where, you know, they have understanding of, but need to gain further understanding. I think that's a really good way to approach solving problems. fresh perspective and ideas and thoughts and efficiencies that those were, you know, steeped in or having, you know, just intimate involvement for too long, you know, overlook.

Yeah. I hear you in one of the interviews, he said that he would like to compete also in the enhanced games. Was that in rugby? We're not having rugby at the enhanced games, that in rugby uh we're not having rugby at the enhanced games but i think i think he just meant to say like this is going to be an exciting uh venture and uh you know given the right circumstances he'd be willing to compete himself would you compete uh i haven't considered it um i would you know i'd love to see i'd love to get the first games to a level where it's, it's, you know, a lot of entertainment value.

People are watching and we've really created something here. I haven't thought about competing. I still do love to compete. However, at this point of my career, I think building a better model for athletes is what I'm most passionate about over competing. And you don't have to be enhanced to compete either it's not even it's it's not the right anyone can go there you don't have to be enhanced you can be like hey i want to go against these guys who are enhanced and show them that you don't have to be enhanced and you

can go compete there that's exactly correct and that's what i'm very excited to see i mean because of the financial incentives uh i i really want to see natural athletes come to the enhanced games and develop a much more competitive competition environment. Because if you have natural athletes who are the best in the world that will still go back to compete at the Olympics, and then you have a new wave of athletes that are competing against the best in the world, then that, I think, allows for greater competition and a much more competitive environment, which develops sports, develops competition. So yeah, non-enhanced athletes are welcome. Natural athletes are very much encouraged to participate.

And I think for natural athletes to beat enhanced athletes initially, that's, you know, kind of, that says something as well to, you know, are enhancements the right way to approach sports do you did you um how did you meet uh aaron aaron and i met uh during the pandemic down in south florida about three years ago just like at a starbucks or was it a meeting set up were you applying for a job or was it just a random? No, we have, I think our networks, our networks kind of collided a few times and just that events or dinners, we kind of came into contact with each other, kept in touch and yeah,

figured out, you know, how we can, how we can help each other and just built started building a, a relationship. And he approached me with this idea about seven eight months ago and we thought a lot about it since and uh yeah i think this is this is something that the world could use and um athletes could use as well and do you know about his um litigation with gawker yes Yes. What an incredible story, right? When I saw that, I just saw that yesterday on his bio on the Enhanced Games website. It's on our team's leadership page.

And this is incredible. Have you ever got to sit down with him and him just like tell you, here he is right here, guys, on the left-hand side, Dr. Aaron D'Souza, PhD. What's he a PhD in? Do you know? His PhD comes from his studies at Oxford. Oh, in law? Oh, in intellectual property law. Holy shit.

Smarty pants. Led Peter Thiel's successful litigation against Gawker Media involving the wrestler Hulk Hogan. What a fascinating case. Have you ever just got to sit down and hear like the three hour version of that? uh that's set to set to release um soon so you know it's a pretty big deal and uh that is a very interesting story and i encourage um you know people to to to read it because it is it is uh certainly certainly interesting yeah what it'd be my my take of the story is is peter was dating this dude and gawker outed this dude for being gay and peter's like dude the guy hasn't even fucking told his parents yet what are you assholes doing and so then later on um gawker outed this dude for being gay. And Peter's like, dude, this guy hasn't even fucking told his parents yet. What are you assholes doing? And so then later on, Gawker released a sex tape of Hulk Hogan.

And Peter's like called Hulk up and was like, yo, these assholes fuck with me. I got your back if you want to go to war with them. And Hulk's like, yeah. And then Peter fucking got Aaron and the gang to beat Gawker down for outing Hulk Hogan like they outed his homeboy. Is that the premise? Yeah, that's correct. I think that was, you know, if anyone respects their privacy and someone violates that, I think any natural person would do that.

Yeah, I don't have an issue with it. I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome. God, they're going to – when is that movie coming out? Is it actually in production? I think it's in production right now. The name of it, I'm not sure, but I think if you Google, you know, Gawker litigation movie, there might be some pieces that come up online.

God, that's awesome. I would love to hear – Aaron must have some fascinating, hilarious, and very tense stories. And Hogan, that put Gawker out of business, right? It did, yes. Yeah, it was the nail in the coffin for him. Don't fuck with the guy

who has a billion dollars sitting in a temple in San Francisco. He will fuck you up. Crazy. And Hogan did good. He got out of it good, right? Yeah, it was a win-win for everyone except Gawker. Yeah, for flapping their jaw.

That's right. Yeah, nuts. Hey, I really appreciate you coming on. If there are any athletes that I can help promote, if you ever want to come on again and talk about the events, where it's going to be, I'd love to talk to you. It's a really cool project you're embarking on. There are two things, if I could just give just a tiny bit of feedback.

There was an interview that Aaron said, science is about peer-reviewed evidence. I would just like to encourage Aaron to look into that because it's actually peer-reviewed evidence has nothing to do with science. It's actually the downfall of science. I think he was in a pressure situation, but science is about predictive value. And unfortunately, peer-reviewed science is what's destroyed science. It's why we ended up with the so-called pandemic. It's why there's an FBI thing saying that – these 50 FBI guys saying that someone's guilty and then everyone believes it. Peer review is like – is a popularity contest.

It's what got – it's what actually started the slave trade, started the Jewish Holocaust, started the Armenian genocide, started the witch hunts in Salem. Peer review is just horrible. And so I would just like to – I would just like him to rethink that line of what science is. And then also on your guys' website, there's some – I see some woke stuff on there that i just don't think is necessary i don't think that you guys need to pull in the the race card into into this it kind of rubs me the wrong way a little bit but that's we really appreciate appreciate the feedback if uh if you don't mind just you know sending me a short note so that we can uh you know acknowledge this and uh continuing to refine our our our model and how we look appearance online.

We do appreciate your support and we'd love to podcast with you as we continue to build the company. Awesome. Hey, pleasure to meet an overachiever and such a fantastic human being like yourself. And please tell Aaron, thank you for what he's doing. And I look forward to crossing paths with you guys again. Thanks so much, Savant. Great talking to you.

We'll speak soon. All right, brother. Thank you. All right. Savant, you're welcome to come back. First, let me go hard and ass pound you. I just, I just, I'm thorough in my investigation and I just didn't like those two

there's some woke shit on there that's fucking completely preposterous that they don't need to talk about in peer review as a benchmark for science's idiocy complete idiocy nice job standing your ground Sebi thank you

finally good thank you for at why is it for every three negative comments there's finally someone who's like good job savvy thank you uh he switched to corporate mode at the end there well he was he was vacillating back and forth which i kind of liked like when we talked about his olympics he like he used a different voice as opposed to when we talked about the um enhanced games i'm really excited for him and aaron what a fun project fucking badass dude how about yesterday with abigail domit oh my goodness i was i was i was ready to abandon that with that with our connection it was driving me nuts uh heidi stop stop so nice

to quick to burn a bridge right before he left i wasn't burning a bridge i was i was um i was um i wasn't burning a bridge i was just i just wanted him to know you can't you're gonna come on here with the woke shit you i'm gonna probably have to mention it to you if it's on your no that's not true i've seen it on other people's sites. But I really like this guy. I wouldn't have given the feedback if I didn't like him. Vittorio. About time you stand up to a guest about something you believe, Seve.

Way to stop being a bitch. Great. Dickhead. Fuck. I hope you fall off that rope. dickhead fuck I hope you fall off that rope oh glad you stuck the donut interview out

I know me too I really like her there's something like she's like playing Jane and hot at the same time and she's like a woman and like a little kid at the same time. She's always smiling like a little kid. There's something like a little mischievous about her, but fun and cool, lighthearted.

She's cool. So I probably will say this to you guys like 20 times. I apologize. Some of you are going to get tired of hearing it. But if there's anyone who needs to be on the podcast between now and the games and they're an individual athlete or an individual athlete's coach even, I don't know if I can say that. I better ask Sousa.

You should reach out to me if you want to be on the show. I think I've reached out to everyone. I meant to reach out to everyone. I meant to reach out to everyone. The only person I haven't reached directly, the only person I haven't reached out to directly is Katrin. And I would love to have her on too, but I'm just trying to be sensitive. And there is a chance, and there's a couple of reasons why i'm doing this i would have done this anyway but i'm really pushing this because i suspect there's a chance that the behind the scenes might be going down this year and i want i want to to test the waters with every single person

i've tried to get Clarence Kennedy on you sent me one last night did you text me Phillip or right now I'm just doing individual athletes and maybe their coaches that's a good I've never had Carolyn Lambre on the show and I am super excited about having her on.

Let me see if... I think Suze is the 925 number. I should just put his phone number in this phone. Of course, my phone's fucked up. Of course. Let me see if we can do... No, it's not about being a baby. Uh-oh. What happened to...

Can you guys hear the phone? Is it ringing? Oh, there we go. You reached no no answer uh no uh savon quit being a baby just message her what if she's waiting for you to hit her up instead of going through a queue no it's not it's it's not like that i don't think i'm not being a baby i'm um i'm not being a baby i'm not being a baby i I'm not being a baby. I would take it. If I was, I think I would take it.

It's not that. I'm trying to be – there's some – I'm trying to – god, what's the right – I'm trying not to – I'm trying to stay – this isn't a good metaphor. This is going to be taken on, but I'm just trying to stand in line. There's a cue, and I'm trying to stand in it, but it's not really that there's a line. It's just that there should be a – I believe there should be a sensitivity to that. But I believe there should be a sensitivity to it. What is Melissa saying? Caroline.

I mean, I didn't see what she wrote before that. Caroline Stanley is, I think, getting scheduled today, if that's who you're talking about. I didn't ask Fraser on. I could ask Fraser on. Right now, we're so packed. packed you think i should ask fraser on i could text him out now that's actually not a bad idea i didn't even think of that uh fraser um is it is matt fraser with one T or two T's? I better not fuck this up.

I think it's one. Oh shit, I went to a Matt Fraser with 130 followers. That can't be our Matt, right? Isn't it trippy that that guy's name is Brett Fraser? I can't even find Matt Fraser on Instagram. Is it Matthew Fraser? Oh, Matthew Fraser. Holy shit, Matt has 2.4 million followers.

My goodness. holy shit matt has 2.4 million followers my goodness um wow his wow this is a um his instagram is look at this i wonder how much it costs to like get one of these spots like go what athletic brew bean fitter oh he's got more even. Levels, Metcon. Oh, This Old Barn. I did watch that whole series, This Old Barn. That thing was amazing. Okay, one T. Matt, we'd love to have you on the podcast.

It's weird. I've never been on a text thread with him and Sousa. There were no, Oh, here we go. Um, here we go. Hey, here we go hey hey

hey Caden Mavity Phillip why would I have that guy on did that guy qualify for the games I don't recognize that I think that guy's a minor yeah dude I said you have to here's the problem we have so many I don't recognize that. I think that guy's a minor.

Yeah, dude. I said, you have to, here's the problem. We have so many, we're trying to do like 80 interviews in the next two weeks. It's fucking absolutely nuts. So, there's no like Caden Mavity's. There's no room for Caden Mavity's. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

Yeah, sorry. Not a lot of. Yeah, send me that. Send me that after the games. Hey, what about coaches? I just sent Matt Fraser a text. And we got Carolyn Lambre. But I was also thinking about Adam Neifer.

Yeah, we should get them all loaded up, I think. So we got another. We just got jay couch scheduled as well and then we have two more lines in the water we got page simenza and um caroline stanley yeah yeah yeah who who will be scheduled and there's still a handful of slots so that's a great idea i think maybe at night or ben smith Okay. Frazier, if we get him. Who else? We already had Torres, Kotler recently. Oh, okay. That's right. That's right. Okay. So we have been doing some coaches. We could also try to get El Hodge. El Hodge. Yeah. Max would be great. Yeah. So Ben, Max, Adam, Trazier. That'd be awesome. Okay.

We could get Shane Toomey on too, maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, get Shane. That'd be great. Get Shane. Is Khalifa coaching? No. What's wrong with you guys? Don't participate in the conversation.

Everyone stop. Jesus Christ. Hey, how do you think that went with Brett? It was good. It got squirrely just once or twice. I don't think he liked the fact that I like Nigerians over Canadians. I don't think so either. I don't know if he was fond of your

feedback there at the end. There's some woke shit on there that was annoying the fuck out of me. They're basically saying that the word doping is racist. It's like, fuck off. Just fuck off. Oh my God. But that guy Suze is a beast, dude.

Anyone who would litigate... That Gawker story is fascinating to me. Peter Thiel is such a beast. beast oh yeah we need to get him on just to break that down yeah aaron would be awesome to have on i'd love to hear that yeah yeah yeah yeah that would be a good one yeah that's what um that's what i kind of got in trouble with because i would suggest i had postulated that someone was i guess you have to be really sensitive about people's sexuality. Like outing them. But definitely you can't, definitely you can't, yeah, anyway. So yeah, so then Hulk Hogan, that, do you know the story?

No, I mean, just from what I heard. There's some radio DJ on the East Coast. His name is Bubbba the love sponge and he he let i think i think he let hogan fuck his wife bang his wife and then there was a video got out of it and then so peter thiel said hey i'll help you sue gawker and i want to say it got like upwards of 300 million, the decision. Wow. And put Gawker out of business and made Hogan rich.

How does that work? Did that guy even have that much money to pay them? Or did that just basically financially ruin it so they can't do shit anymore? Great question. I don't know how that works. You know, like, you sue me for $5 million or you sue me for $100 million. If you can't pay it, what happens? Hey, Jeeze Louise says you should have told him you identify as black. You don't get it.

I don't identify as black. I am black and game recognize game. He knew it. I don't need to tell him. Does Jeeze Louise realize that racial undertones are not common alone? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'm kind of offended by that.

Can you imagine asking a black guy if he identifies as black you're just trying to live out your truth just try to live out your truth douche so um i can't have i can't have a retail experience without being concerned that someone thinks i'm stealing i finally realized that about myself at 51. The retail experience to me as a black man is fucking atrocious. And I want you to know that that's not in any way your fault. No, it is my fault.

It's not your fault. No, it actually is. It's not your fault. I am actually – so I'm advanced for my situation. I do realize it's between my ears. That is a good thing. I take responsibility. It's cool, right? That's weird because

I would feel like you might be able to have some level control over it. I'm trying. I'm trying. Acknowledgement. First acknowledge it. Yeah. Acknowledgement is the first step. Is Nick Matthew coming on? I don't think we've heard back from Nick.

No, there's a handful of them that haven't got back yet. Yet. Heidi says that's because you're stealing. I don't know why that matters. It's not stealing. It's under $1,000. Come on, Heidi. This is California.

Why does that matter? Get it together. Alright. Yeah, I thought that went good I thought that I was a little concerned that that guy didn't know what he was going to be getting himself into but I thought he handled it I thought fucking Brett was awesome yeah yeah he handled himself very well

he's media trained for sure so tomorrow I took it in a good way, I took it in a good way. Do we have anyone on tonight? Negative. So tomorrow, Carolyn Lambre, man and Anganese, Alex Kazan, Sahar Kai, Rebecca Vitison, the next day, Bronislawski, Spencer Panchik, Jelly, Jelly Hostie,

Taylor and the JR show, Arthur Seminoff, Kelly Baker, Shelby Neal, Ariel Lowen. Oh, we got Shelby Neal? God, she's cool as shit. I can't believe we got her. That's dope. Yeah, we have like 27 of them in total. I'm including the three we did yesterday is Henrik in that number. Okay.

Oh, we got Paige Powers. Yep. Jay Crouch, we got Paige Powers. Yep. Jay Crouch, Emily Rolfe. Oh my God, Tuesday night's going to be crazy. I'm really looking forward to Emily Rolfe. Oh, Will Morad, old school. Luke Parker, yeah, I saw him. James Sprague.

Wow. Oh my God. Yep. Saturday night's the Gaethje Poirier fight not this saturday the following saturday that's going to be conflict of interest for sure that night why do we have people saturday night no but i'm sure we're going to need them yeah because we're running out of slots if you look there's probably five more slots left inside our normal scheduling windows and we have at least six or seven and i'm carrying something

so don't people make weird comments on our voices like this yeah yeah hey you know how there's you know there's a greg glassman in our comments? Yes. Well, you know what's so funny? Yeah. So that there's people who are telling people that they, you saw that, right? There's people who are telling, there's people who are telling people that Greg and Sevan and Dave are in the comments of the show. And there's people, people lots like people significant people in the community believing it it's been peer-reviewed yeah that is what peer review is it's fucking hilarious

yeah we saw it everybody agreed reviewed it peer-reviewed it's not it's not even dave castro it's cave castro cave dastro oh dastro oh shit see it's idiots like me that can't read that's why it's all fucked up and look greg glassman just switched the g's around too the same as dave dave uh cave dastro all right All right. All right. I got to tell you about this diet. This diet I'm doing. Oh, boy.

Why the diet? What's going on? I'm trying to look good for the game. I'm trying to get my shit together. I'm trying to fit into all my clothes that I want to wear. Oh yeah. You're going to pop the top right out there. No,

no. Oh, okay. I just don't want to be pulling my, you know, like the, you know, you can't see it,

but there's this thing where people, where you pull your shirt off your, your stomach all the time. If you got it like a FUPA and sound like I'm trying to lose my FUPA. So like, I don't have to do this off my sweaty gut the whole time I'm working and I'm going to be wearing these leather straps and it's going to like suck my shirt down to me and like I don't want I just I just don't want to you know everyone just looks at everyone makes a quick assessment and I just want it to be he's old and short not he's old and short and fat

ah yes you know what I'm trying to mitigate the day where i can the damages the damages what's the diet i don't want to tell you it's you i'll tell you what the diet is i heard a crossfit athlete real recently talking about they haven't they had they knew they had an eating disorder when they did this and i was like oh shit that's what i'm doing all right well i'm like fuck let's hope it doesn't turn into anything more i don't want to lose weight too fast though so like like because that'll make you look even older like my eyes get sunken in and shit no you gotta hit that gold you lost weight yeah yeah thank you uh well the one banana no no no i'm not doing that that shit was crazy that shit was crazy uh heidi don't uh i can't wait to give sebi a big hug heidi listen if you get close to me fucking jeremy's gonna throw you over the fence you're gonna land on top of judy yeah you're gonna be mysterious maybe you'll be so mysterious it

might it might be like you're not even there at all i'm so fucking insecure about like anyone like seeing me smelling me uh i don't wear deodorant uh you're gonna i'm gonna be sweaty and don't just walk by me and just say asshole that's it that's fine oh shit Jeremy am I gonna have to come get you Jeremy will also be hugging me oh alright fuck well he's security

so makes sense alright yeah exactly that's my diet this chocolate dick that Hiller got me this is the only thing i'm eating for the next week perfect game's ready heidi uh we should actually talk are we utilizing heidi we should actually talk about that too by the way well we should first kind of organize the

jobs and see what where we need people to fill in at because i'm sure there's going to be plenty of stuff i can think of two things she can do just right off the top of my head well let's be appropriate here okay right you like that that was a good one it's perfect robbie says can seven jeremy hug heidi at the same time okay it's getting weird. Can I give you knuckles? Yeah, knuckles are good. Oh, you should. Wow, Jake Chapman. You should wear big nose glasses and a mustache

disguise. Fucking brilliant. Oh, man. Hey, so we should put up a poll. How many people have done the rabbit hole on the Hubler channel to watch all his videos since he's been on? Oh, that's good. We'll have Caleb set that up tomorrow night. Yeah. Has anybody dared to venture down the rabbit hole?

I watched like two Flat Earth ones, and I watched the Michael Jackson one I had my fill Yeah Well that's what I watched before him I haven't gone back to Oh and maybe one more there's one that's like There's one that's There was one more It was basically a Flat Earth one

Oh shit Pool boy I'll run it with Heidi We will slay. That's not a bad idea. Hey, you know what else? I was thinking some sort of, like, photo booth. Is Paper Street Coffee having a booth at the games?

I don't know. For some reason, I feel like they're not this year. Like, Gabe didn't do it, but I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope he's got a little spot i could call gabe too it would be cool to set up like some sort of photo booth and take pictures of every single person with the ceo shirt like it's just a photo booth of them in a ceo shirt are you gonna go down there no no just them just them i'm gonna be fucking i'm gonna be a bit too

busy talking to take a picture by yourself i'm going to be too busy talking to Shelby Neal I'm curious as to see what Like are we going to catch Abby throwing up That's going to be the big The big ticket item right there Yes We are Oh shit Cave Dastro OnlyFans needs a booth at the games Yes, we are. Oh, shit.

Cave Dastro, OnlyFans needs a booth at the games. OnlyFans? Pool Boy could do activations all weekend. Wow. Hey, OnlyFans has a booth. They have a booth at the games, and then they have these little changing closets where you go in and make your first video.

And Pool Boy directs it yeah like a representative helps you through it yeah no you gotta you gotta use this angle change the lighting like this use this camera okay you're good to go heidi heidi wants everyone to know i do have a boyfriend. Let it be known. I thought that was old news. Oh, she's referring to the kissing booth probably, huh? Yeah. I'm trying.

Christine, you should have Dave on again before the games and Boz. Hey, I'm trying, just so you know. I'm doing what we can. I feel like if we do get one of those, it's just going to pop up randomly. Yeah. I'm going to get a call from you and you'll be like, 1 p.m. We're going.

We're live. Schedule it. Okay. Oh, shit. Listen to this. Listen to this. Jake Gazan just made a comment. Hey, Sebon, I'm not working for Clydesdale in the Coliseum.

I have a seat at the finish line. If you need videos there, let me know. Jake, I am texting you, shooting 4K, and I'm putting Matt Souza on here. And I'm saying, yes, we need that footage. Sent. Text sent. That's dope, dude. That is awesome. Yeah. Hey, did people

realize? Did people realize yet? No. They're going to, though. That we just had that two years ago. We said we weren't going to win or be a player and just fucking take the whole entire thing over.

And have they scrolled through all the upcoming shows and realized we've done something or are doing something in these next two weeks that just most people wouldn't even fathom. You'd probably bring the idea up and they would have shot it down. You can't do that. No, that'd be crazy. Everyone in the chat

knows. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the ride or dies. I'm sort of the cheerleaders. Everyone in the chat knows. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the ride or dies. Sort of the cheerleaders. They're our testosterone. They're our

oxygen. They keep us going. All right, brother. Thank you. I will call you soon. I'm going to go play tennis before it gets too hot here. Cool. Okay. Cool. Okay. I'll talk to you later.

Bye. Bye. Matthew Souza, executive producer of the Sebon podcast. Is it too late to get on the Sebon train? No. Is it too late to get on? No. It's a train.

It's never too late. I don't know what the Se-1 train is, but yeah. 22,700 subscribers. It's not 22 million? 10 a day, that's all I asked. Oh, great. Look what Sousa did. We aren't surprised, says Heidi. We expect greatness from you guys.

Oh, great. All right. Thanks, guys. That was fun. That was interesting. It's going to be like just massive CrossFit from here on out. I'm a little – I'd like to do some stuff that's not CrossFit in the next two weeks, but I don't know.

I don't think it's going to happen. I'd like to do some stuff that's not CrossFit in the next two weeks, but I don't know. I don't think it's going to happen. Franco, I have sent my application work for the 7-On podcast. I haven't received a reply. Where did you send it? Yeah, you're welcome.

Thank you, Jessica. The thing is this. I'll tell you, there's a couple things. It's amazing how many people don't understand social nuance. I don't know what it is, if it's social media or YouTube or – yeah, where's Plummer? Maybe it's I – I don't want to know. Or maybe it's just I'm super hyperjudgmental when it comes to people like who are very close to me. There's a certain expectation I have of the way what that,

what, huh? I don't know how to explain it. I'll have to work on it. I don't even know what I'm trying to say. I mean, I do know what I'm trying to say, but how, Eric Utley, playing it i'll have to work on it i don't even know what i'm trying to say i mean i do know what i'm trying to say but um how eric ootley how does the army psyop girl get 206 000 subscribers in

less than a month and this awesome podcast has only 22 000 i offered to sponsor but no reply either you offered to sponsor what please offer again jesus you guys i've completely lost the war in my um dms if you're dming me it's like a one in there's there's thousands look at it says 11 on here there's not 11 there's over a thousand unopened everywhere and i'm opening them constantly non-stop all day long and i just can't keep up it says right now that there's 18 in my general and 16 in my primary and those numbers aren't right there's 1600 in my primary and a thousand in my general and my requests are out of control too I don't know how to I don't know what to do I'm trying to I want want to. Wow. There's a guy named Frank Manassian in my requests. That's really your last name?

Frank Manassian? Oh, this guy looks like a CrossFitter. What the fuck? Oh my god. You guys won't even fucking believe this. I have to show you this before I get off. F-R-N-C-K. Holy shit.

You guys are going to fucking have a field day with this. If you can see a screen, you better get close to it. I cannot believe this is a real person. Is this a F-R-A-N-C-K Manasseh? What the fuck spells her name Frank like that? There's two Frank Manasseh-ians? Manasseh. How many Frank Manasseh-ians are there?

Holy shit. Wait till you see this guy. This is ridiculous can you guys see your screen this is gonna blow you away send your money I need sponsors send your money please look at this

my name is I'll call you back in two minutes this this guy's name is Frank Manassian. That's an Armenian name. I can't tell if this is a real person or not. But look at him. That's me.

I would never snatch like that. But look at that. This motherfucker looks like me. Oh my goodness. You see them? That's him right there, obviously. Holy shit. Oh, and what country is this guy from?

This guy doesn't speak English. What a trip. Oh my... Holy shit. Is that a trans athlete? I think I have that hat this is fucking ridiculous it's me from a fucking another

holy shit you guys what's he doing in this picture oh my goodness oh my goodness that is not my body though i have that hair that's it oh my god it's me if i didn't brush my hair. That's what I would look like if I washed my hair. Follow this dude back. Holy shit.

I'm tripping. I'm tripping. This guy's sleeping in your backyard with Haley. Oh my god. Anyway, where was I? I'm so far behind on my DMs and shit. Yeah, we did.

He does look, I bet you, I mean, dude. That is fucking weird. He's like 7'9", but 49'er. He's like 7 but 49 or is that 7 if he was straight if I didn't use quaff my hair so much oh my goodness

alright that's it see you guys tomorrow I can't imagine we're not doing something tonight we're on such a compressed timeline so maybe I'll see you guys tonight alright thanks everyone buh-bye