The Sevan Podcast - Bryce Smith | NOT an Ai bot - Host of Invictus Mindset #1009

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

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Good morning, Miss Kelly, Sabir. Good morning, guys. Rambler, good morning. I tried to sleep in an extra 15 minutes today. When you sleep in an extra 15 minutes, you got to make up for those 15 minutes somewhere else. I don't think I did a very good job. I was still fooling around with my kids and my dog and Instagram.

Good morning, Fanny. Good morning, Marissa. Good morning, Chris. Good morning, Heidi. Hey, Jamie. Hey. Went to a CrossFit competition yesterday. Blair Morrison and Ben Alderman put on this competition.

It was cool. The setting was crazy cool. I don't even remember what it was called. Andrew Hiller was there. It's far from my house, man. That's the longest I've been in a car, like, besides my trips to Newport in a long time. Woo! Two and a half, three hours, three hours probably with the stop at the coffee shop.

I made that Instagram post about the door. It's this common theme, man, when you're holding a door open for someone who needs the door open for them or maybe who doesn't but once if you see someone holding a door open and then you go through it and you're an able-bodied person you got to grab the door from the person do not be that person who doesn't grab the door don't be a douche what a common what it's one of those things that i see over and over and over in my life. I'm like, you know what? It's time.

It deserves a post. Oh, NorCal classic. All right. Yeah. That's where I went. I went to the NorCal classic. Yeah,

it was cool. It was really cool. It was by a body. Like, uh, it was at a state park. I really enjoyed it. Lots of cool people there.

I met Pool Boy for the first time. He's cool. Mellow. Mellow energy. Way more mellow than I thought. What's up, dude? Bryce, hi. How are you?

Can you hear me okay? I can. What's up? Nate, I can hear you perfect hang on one second i'm trying to yeah take your time now can you hear me yes yes hell yeah tap your mic it sounds like it's your mic no it's not your mic you got me now hello i do i'm just not sure if it's actually that mic that's working i can hear you but when you tap that mic, let me double check. Standard, standard audio. Yeah, I got you. It is this mic. OK, sweet. Is that the spot that you do the Invictus Mindset podcast?

Wait, now you got. Oh, yeah, baby. Yeah. Now you sound like a grown ass man. There we go. baby. Yeah. Now you sound like a grown ass man. There we go. What's up, man? Thanks for having me. What's up? Uh, often I'll call Hiller and I'll be like, Hey dude, are you in the bathroom? He's like, dude, how did you know? I'm like, bro, it sounds like a bathroom. It has it. And it sounded like you were in a bathroom, but now you're not little echo for you i wouldn't be surprised if if that's a place that he likes to play a little bit in the bathroom yeah he's always working whether he's in the bathroom or not makes sense man you got a cool little studio back there what you got behind you yeah i'm uh i like this place it's it's still a work in motion um those are there's a there's a chocolate penis back there that Andrew sent me. And then there's a figurine of Tupac.

And then the rest are just on. There's a picture of my wife that's like hidden because it got covered by the chocolate penis. So you should put your wife in front. And then just a reminder. Yeah, you should put your wife in front. I said, I need you to come here and rework the whole thing and then i have the wad zombie cards nice man are those like official now are those a thing i i don't i don't i don't think that they're i mean they're his and he gets i think he clears

them with um the athletes beforehand but i don't think who's he who's his the wad zombie guy the wad zombie guy i think like he'll be he would call you he'd be like hey bryce i want to make a card if you want it and then you'd be like okay and then so then i think i think i don't know this but just from what i've gleaned from just listening to people talk he then sends the picture and sends the write-up and he works with uh i want to say he works with tyler watkins and brian friend on it oh cool brian friend is the man yeah you know him yeah he's good dude he's been in the space for a while he's got him and tommy marquez i feel like have all the data on the crossfit space yeah yeah i agree i agree there's there's a handful of guys now that it's kind of a uh

who really have a handle on the data too. Do you know Chad Schroeder? I don't. I was going to say Adrian Conway has done a good job. Kalipa has also done a pretty good job on the ESPN live feed. I really like Kalipa and Adrian Conway. I really like them. I think at semifinals, there was something going on with the CrossFit live feed. And they threw those guys on.

And they did it, I think, on one of their podcasts. And it was very entertaining. Their banter back and forth was quite comedic. I enjoyed it. And Kalipa brought the energy. Dude, that guy always brings the energy. I love it. He's such a good dude.

How long have you been doing your podcast? Coming up on three years, man. In November will be three years. it's been quite the journey and and do you have a cadence that you stick to we try to release at least one to two a week we haven't missed we haven't missed a week yet i'm pumped about that yeah uh crazy and and a lot you've had basically everyone on there you just had hayley ad, I saw. Yeah, she's such a sweetheart. Her growth and trajectory over the challenge that she's overcome in the midst of adversity was really cool.

And yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed that one. It was really cool to see, because I've known her for quite some time and seeing her evolution was quite rad. I hope the audience and people that consumed that episode really saw the growth trajectory. And at the end of the day, I guess that's what we're all trying to do, right? Is find evolution and innovation through doing hard things. And she's the example of that. Were you nervous to interview her?

You know, I wasn't, I was actually really excited because I met her a long time ago doing a workout with her. And, uh, I got to speak with Bijan briefly at semifinals and he just shared some really cool insight about her. He and I had a great conversation and when she maneuvered and said she wanted to hop on like we had some really good text conversations and I just felt like it was the right time it had it happened earlier potentially but at that time it was a really honest conversation that I felt like just kind of happened and unfolded appropriately she she basically left the scene right she pulled out from the games

and kind of went underground right no one knew and then and then re-emerge and then we saw we saw glimpses of her you know with her baseball hat on at semi-finals right through some of the footage there and then she and then she showed up again and was yours the first podcast she did when she popped back up on the scene yeah yeah i think so and i don't know i i do think it's important to note like i mean i don't know if you know this but my background was was high level basketball before crossfit i didn't know that and and sometimes i think man that like the world misunderstands that we're all human beings first and the amount of of pressure that's put on some of these young athletes as far as body image, performance, always needing to post and hold themselves to this unrealistic standard is a little fucking obnoxious if you ask me. And so I thought that it was actually really cool that she took a step back because I think

there's so many other people that are fighting that same narrative. And for her to be so young and just draw a line in the sand, I thought was like really a life changing opportunity, not just for her, but gives other people permission to be more vulnerable, which I don't know, man. I think that's a really special thing in the world. I mean, you and I can both agree. We've talked to a lot of people over the last few years. Most people are living lives of quiet desperation. And for somebody to stand up and put a helping hand out to be like, no, we're going to change this narrative, I think is pretty cool. What do you mean she drew a line in the sand?

Give me, what do you mean by that? Just choosing yourself first and realizing that like, hey, my performance metrics are pretty good, but I need to get my mindset right. I need to get my food right. I need to get my lifestyle in order. And I want to use fitness as a tool to enhance the quality of my life as opposed to allowing fitness to own her. And I thought that it was really cool that she just took ownership and now fitness serves her life. And we could hear that in the joy in her voice and how she's choosing to live her life now.

And I just think that's so special. And hopefully that trickles down in a domino effect to other athletes and other up-and-comers. down in a domino effect to other athletes and other up-and-comers um you i watch the um ufc pretty religiously and that's a uh another sport where the guys just go out basically in their their panties right they just yeah and they just get at it right and there was a guy in it's interesting it's it's it's a bizarre thing because everyone does want to have this one kind of body, right? And I say one kind and maybe there's a thousand, but this one kind of body encompasses those thousand. And then there's these people who walk out there and there's this fighter Taito Iwasa, right? Samoan guy. He's got so much fat on him that like his body will never be like he's damaged his body with all the fat on it.

You know, damage. Yeah. Damage the body. I think it's fair. Anyway, the way he carries himself, it doesn't matter. I never look at him like. I never look at him. Confidence really is is a form of. Of attraction, right? Also, just to transcend the other stuff yeah i never think of look at him like a fat guy i'm like wow this is a fucking capable man and everyone loves him and the crowd goes crazy when he walks in and yeah he's all vibe he's all vibe yeah it's dope i also think it's really interesting your mind is is fascinating to me because i was trying to draw the parallel i'm like how is he jumping to the UFC now?

And then you reeled it back into body image. That was an interesting segue. Your mind intrigues me a little bit. It's just all I watched. When I'm out, all I'm doing is watching bodies. And so if we have this sport where there's these people out there, one of the cool things about our sport is the same reason why I think it's cool going to the zoo. You get to just see bodies. And at the zoo, you get to see the animals' bodies, and at the sport, you get to go there.

But like today, I went to a competition this past weekend, and the first thing I noticed is, wow, all the men at local comps are significantly bigger than the men at the CrossFit Games. They're just more – they're more muscle-bound men. They're bigger men. They're a little bit slower. Yeah, it was crazy. All of a sudden, Tim Paulson – Tim Paulson, I think, was a huge man. There were 50 guys that are bigger than him. You know what I mean?

And – I think it's interesting, though, because there's a couple things to take away from that, and that is – Yeah. At the CrossFit Games, you're definitely zoomed out a little bit, right? You're not as close and up in personal like you are to local comp. And then simultaneously at a local comp, the well-roundedness is probably depreciated a little bit of the athlete. A lot of those guys might just be like narrow focused on lifting or functional bodybuilding of some sort. And it's a lot of guys from that field who are

ready to do crossfit too right it's the guy who was the lineman who now wants to get into crossfit there's there's definitely a a ton of that going on and then when you what so at the at the end of the day you could be someone who's chasing and probably defeats the purpose of having this conversation to this you could be someone who's chasing noah olsen's body who appears just to have a just a perfect physique right or do you just do you try to just ignore that just just do do your do your best do what makes you perform at the highest level, and then just try to be cool and confident? I mean, I would argue that his physique is fantastic for him and his genetics and the life that he wants to live. But I don't know that everybody wants that much muscle. I don't know that everybody is in pursuit of that. I think that's a societal norm that can gently be

deconstructed where some people might want more of a functional type body that isn't quite as muscle bound they want might want more mobility or the ability to attack endurance sports so i think it's case dependent on the lenses that you possess i mean shout out to no also that dude is rad i've spent some time with him in the last few months and he is all positive and really amazing and a good friend of chandler who trains with us at invictus but i also don't think everybody has the same goals and i would actually challenge that i let me okay then let me phrase it i like personally i would i the i i like the body the um 145 pound emaciated um uh brad pitt or connor mcgregor i like conor mcgregor at 145 cheeks sunk in looks like a fucking dog that like you know what i mean ribs showing

but i'm not saying that everyone necessarily wants that body but but it's a not everyone wants a ferrari but everyone recognizes a Ferrari. Yeah. So Conor McGregor might be a McLaren. Noah Olsen might be a Ferrari. Bryce Mitchell might be – sorry, Bryce Smith might be – do you know who Bryce Mitchell is? No. Who's that? I won't confuse you with him again. UFC fighter. Oh, nice. Bryce Smith might be a Bentley, but we all recognize these as fantastic

cars is what i'm saying and but there are people who just aren't going to have their bodies just aren't going to look like fantastic cars yeah totally i don't necessarily think they're fantastic cars because i don't really fit in any of those right how tall are you how tall are you six four yeah crazy it was funny when we crossed paths because i probably look smaller on the screen here so when you saw me oh whoa i was not expecting you to look like that and you and your voice is so calm yeah man a lot of meditation and sauna and ice goes into this yeah you have a very very um and you're in i do um your energy and presence when i met you was different than the energy that i got from you

from the podcast by no means by no means worse just more powerful huh like i knew you know what i mean like on the show you're kind of like, there's a, I don't know, an equanimity to you. And when I saw you in person, and granted it was in Vendor Village and there were thousands of people everywhere. Yeah, totally. But it was, you were bigger than life in person.

And you don't seem like that on the show necessarily. On the show, maybe it's more like you're being more demure to let your guests shine. Yeah, I think it's purposeful for sure. I think a lot of life is, is ying to the yang it's masculine plus feminine energy and how you choose to balance that based on the given scenario. So being able to sometimes take the lead of a conversation when I need to, and then other times maneuver myself out of the way and let the guests take the spotlight so that they can

authentically share their story. It's fun, man. And I think that goes back to team sports, right? There's going to be certain events. When I was competing for Team Invictus, there's certain things that I'm like, hey, this is my thing. This is my jam. This is my contribution to the team. I got to go do my job. And then there's other times where I'm like, all right, like a little bit of damage control for me. I got to set my teammates up for success. And that's when I kind of take a backseat. And I think that humbly translates to so many different elements of life. So I appreciate you recognizing that, man. It's a, it's a cool attribute that I try to try to foster. What you got there? What kind of coffee? Paper street. Nice, man. nice man i i i don't know a lot about

you i almost know nothing about you nice you want me to storytell for you yes but i want to i want to guess some shit all right go ahead um you're gonna be wrong but that's okay um you are you are you are odd this is true and so that means i that you're i think one of your parents or your parents are a foreigner or english wasn't your first language it's actually really interesting you say that both of my parents are american oh shit um but my grandparents passed away when i or so i went yeah my grandparents passed away when I was really young. And so a woman watched my brother and I from Guatemala and we refer to her as Nana. She's such a sweetheart. She is an angel on this earth. And ironically, I learned Spanish before English up until the age of four. And then at four, my mom was like, open your mouth, and I didn't understand until she said,

abra la boca, and I was like, oh, I could do that. Wow. It was an interesting experience. I think I actually think in Spanish first because of that, and then ironically, right at the tail end of college, I got an opportunity to go play professional basketball in Sweden. And so I might have picked up a little bit of a European dialect being over there. I think I over-enunciate consonants probably. What are your parents? Would you know what ethnicity you are? Probably some sort of Eastern European mix and a little bit British.

That's a 100% guess. I've never done the 23 and me stuff if you do it use a fake name yeah right that would be my uh my advices hey where and where were you raised what what state what city in the united states i'm born and raised in la man wow growing up i was uh i was white boy i was the only uh white guy on the majority of my basketball teams from the inner city of LA. I went to a pretty notable, prestigious sports school, Taft High School, where slot receiver Steve Smith played. He was the slot receiver with Eli Manning.

My buddy Malcolm Smith, we grew up together. He played in the NFL for like 10 years, and he was the Super Bowl MVP for the Seahawks. And then former point guard, Jordan Farmar, who played with the Lakers for a little bit. And we've had some good athletes, man. It's been cool to kind of rub elbows with some of those guys.

There's an NBA player now, Spencer Dinwiddie, who's a good friend of mine that played at Taft as well. Heidi Kroom, fake name doesn't matter. Seve, they have your DNAna dude the thing is heidi if your uncle has killed someone and they can track it back to your name then they can somehow triangulate on your uncle and you don't want your uncle to get in trouble that's that's my uh take

on it it's so interesting how uh people love chiming in on the randomness of conversations oh yeah the chat's great do you do live shows i don't i'd love to try though i think it'd be really fun yeah i don't even um i have um this crew in here that are like co-hosts and i don't even some people for a long time people thought i read the comments first and then pulled them up but i don't do that i just know heidi in thought I read the comments first and then pulled them up. But I don't do that. I just know Heidi in the chat, and usually she says something funny and insightful at the same time. So I just grab it. You know what I mean?

Then I'm like, okay, just roll the dice. We're all going to see this at the same time. You know what you're going to get. Yeah. Robbie Myers, we're here. Okay. Love it. No, that is not true.

Do not listen to Audrey. The chat is the best part. The guest is the best part. There you go. Are you married? No. Kids? No.

Just my little fur baby. Yeah. And how old are you? How old do I look? 27. I wish, man. I'm 33. 33. Oh, that's a good age i found crossfit at 34 nice man i feel like i've been in crossfit for a real long time almost over over a decade now man

september 1st was my nine-year anniversary at invictus it's kind of cool holy cow yeah i've been there a long time i meant to ask so you you you're friends with cj you know cj well he's cj is a phenomenal human being he's grown me from my entire coaching experience it seems you know i've had some cool mentors before that when i was a strength coach at cal state northridge but cj is phenomenal he's really done a cool job teaching, inspiring, motivating, mentoring. He's a good dude, man. Will you pass him my phone number? Yeah.

And be like, hey, there's this guy, Sevan, and he would like you to text him, and he'd like to have you on his podcast. I DM'd him, but someone told me yesterday, there's no way he's seen his DMs. He's so busy. He's so focused on business development and his kids and trying to experience all the things that life has to, has to offer.

And so I admire it, man. He's an awesome father and watching his kids evolve and grow up is, is very cool. So I'm, I'm pumped to know that, uh, i can always give him a quick little phone call if i need advice or you know to catch up on life when i do podcasts um with athletes and with a variety of people i'll usually watch podcasts they've been on before and then try to just plagiarize from them or like take a question someone asks and maybe go deeper so if you were like if you were were interviewing Daniel Brandon and she told you she got in a car accident, I would then be like, okay, write that down and then try to ask her, hey, can you tell me the details of what happened in the car accident?

Yeah, smart. Pick stuff that I want to know more about, right? Yeah, totally. So because of that, I've ended up listening to it. And that's the only reason why I listen to podcasts usually. Usually my go-to is listen to audiobooks. But because of that, I've listened to a shitload of podcasts to do work. And I've listened to Invictus Mindset podcast quite a bit.

And that's how I came across you. Cool, man. But I would trip on just the way you deal with your people. It's it's, I've seen you go into that mode here sometime. It's almost like, I'm like, how is he?

It's almost like he's reading. How is he coming up with these words and where is he pulling them from? And I think it's like you. So I put a sauna and a cold plunge in my house and I'm a big audio book guy. And so I definitely lean on quotes and phrases and things that, you know, because I'm in the sauna, I'm not usually writing things down, but like certain things just like stick in my mind and almost feels like a photographic memory on occasion. But it is a unique experience, man. I'm one of those people that I really do think that I try to be a sponge and people out there are so much smarter than me.

So I just try to absorb things that they share and how that resonates or that segues really well with that particular guest. And yeah, I mean, I humbly try to grab from different arenas of life, toss it all into a blender and hopefully share a digestible smoothie for people when I, when I converse with them. And you don't get too animated. You, you stay very, I don't know what the word is. Equanimous maybe. Is that the word you have? I have this coach and he always said, uh, never get too high, never get too low. And so, you know, when things go good, this too shall pass. When things go bad, this too shall pass. And so, you know, life's go good, this too shall pass. When things go bad, this too shall pass. And so, you know, life's going to be a little bit of a roller coaster. But if you react or respond or allow your emotions to get in there too much, inevitably,

like your frequency is going to be a little bit volatile. And so, you know, I try to be as even keel as possible. And hopefully that allows other people to, to lean in and feel safe and supported in the midst of adversity, man. Uh, you're going to love this. This is off subject and we will come back to where I was going with that. My son broke his shin last week. Oh, brutal. I'm a big fan of your kids. Oh, thank you. They're cool. I see all the parkour stuff that they're doing and I'm blown away. I sorry that he broke his shin that sucks yeah broke his shin in a long long break like in the x-ray just oh it's it's brutal anyway and last so and he doesn't have a cast on yet

they're waiting for the swelling to go down and last night he was in bed in a bed in my bedroom with my wife and it was probably like 3 30 in the morning and he's been talking in his sleep incessantly since he broke his shin and about 3 45 in the morning i hear him go anicha and that's what the boot that's the buddhist term for this too shall pass and my wife goes whoa that was weird did you hear that and hear that? And I'm like, yeah, I heard that. But it's so, I mean, I didn't even know I was awake to hear it. I don't even know if she's awake, but I heard my six year old say Anicca. And I think it's A-N-I-C-C-A, Anicca. And I was like, Holy shit. Where did he learn that? You know? Wow. And I just know it just from,

from just whatever probably that's one of those things to me that um i feel like there's something to the human experience that doesn't quite meet the eye there's certain things that just happen that you can feel or things that just kind of diffuse out into the universe and i think that's one of them that's that's quite fascinating and hopefully he can live that and realize that this injury will pass and he'll get back to doing all the things that he loves. Yeah. Rambler, the pain makes you go through some shit.

Yeah. He broke his shin. No narcotics. No nothing. Yeah. I saw him go into shock. He pulled out of it. He just – it was crazy.

Because you're so mellow, I cracked a joke on my podcast i'm like hey dude you guys got to see this guy over to make this mind uh mindset bryce uh smith he's a fucking ai there's no way he's real i know i heard i've had a few people screen record it and send it over to me and i think it's hilarious and so when i was then i so i was in front of the paper street coffee booth at the CrossFit Games this year. And right next to RX Mark here. Yes. Yes. Dave's a company, right?

Yep. And my kids use those ropes. He got my kids some ropes. They're great people. And I, and I, I don't know what you said but i turned around and i'm basically staring at your belly button and then i look up and it took my brain what seemed like 10 minutes to figure out who you were which probably was more like one second but it was pretty funny what did you say to me you said i'm not an ai yeah i was like hey man i'm bryce nice to meet

you yeah and that that was that was classic when saw that I did that, was it offensive at all, or did you find it funny? At first, I didn't totally get it. I wasn't exactly sure why. AI is such a broad and inclusive term. And going back to the Anicca, it's like I genuinely think everybody's striving to do their best. And so I don't really get offended, man. In basketball,

there was so much shit talking that like, if you get offended by everything people say, you're in for a short ride. And I wanted to ride the wave as long as I could. I heard this funny thing from Rogan one time. He goes, words are like noises coming from a mouth. When you go to the zoo and you see animals making noise, you don't get offended. And I always thought that was a cool way to take perception to people's verbiage, where it's just noises coming from a mouth. And on occasion, there's going to be word vomit based on stress or emotional regulation. And so I've always just assumed positive intent

and then explored it deeper just out of sheer curiosity i like that maybe i don't know maybe it was rogan who said this too but i heard someone say something along the lines of like the sounds we we're all wind benders we're like magicians right we blow air out our mouth and then we bend it to make sounds yeah that's actually really cool yeah what a trip hey and for for me and and i wonder if this is different were you always handsome growing up oh thanks man you're gonna make me blush uh i don't know man i think my parents my parents are good looking people and uh i try to be consistent with taking care of myself so i'm some people think I'm handsome. Maybe other people don't. I'm not really sure.

What do you think about this thing? You've heard of short man's complex. What do you think about this thing? Tall man syndrome where good looking tall men have had it so good that when they get older, they're more sensitive to things and put downs because the, because it was easier to them. You know what I mean? They don't have like, for me, I'll take attention any way I can get it. You know what I mean? Like I can, I feel like I'm an alchemist.

Like you could be sending me negative energy and I'll be like, thank you. I'll just like, I'll just convert, convert it into like just energy. You know what the irony of this is yeah in crossfit and in the world i'm big yeah but in basketball dude i was small oh so it's like but still good looking but still good looking only on monday mornings man only on monday mornings

why is that the rest of the week you're beat up i guess so i'm coming off that sunday rest day you know just feeling good excited to attack the week you're beat up? I guess so. I'm coming off that Sunday rest day, just feeling good, excited to attack the week. But, yeah, man, my perception of reality associated to size is probably skewed a little bit because I was used to looking up to big dudes in basketball and just trying to hang on by a threat as they're flying above the rim and I'm shooting threes. No, Sebi. Tall guy stuff is that they are tall and good looking and therefore can have zero emotional intelligence and be a jerk. Wow. She went for it.

Wow, she did. We can play the game of emotional intelligence. I think I can hang a little bit there. Tell me, what's emotional intelligence? Tell me what that is. I think it's just cognizant behavior, or I guess cognizant awareness associated with maybe zooming out and being able to take perception as to what other people are

going through. I think it's the ability to meet people where they're at, the ability to possess empathy and hold space and not always try to problem solve or fix. Correct me if I'm wrong. You can throw it into the chat, but that's kind of how I understand that term. And by all means, I'm open to sharpening that sword too if it's something I'm misunderstanding. I like that. I like all those components that you said that make up emotional intelligence. I like all those components that you said that make up emotional intelligence. When I think of emotional intelligence, I think of it as not – I think one of the ways you have high emotional intelligence is to not read into things.

You – a rhetorical you so if someone were to say um i don't like you someone of high emotional intelligence would still be like they don't they don't live in a world of duality they wouldn't jump to that person dislikes me they'd be like oh rice doesn't like me i wonder if he loves me you know what i mean it still leaves all the options open like you you still what's got and then and then that's how you hold space also right that's one of the i'd also say it's the observation of more than just the words right it's it's listening to the tone it's observing body language uh it's taking in the frequency at which they communicate i think there's a wide array for us to digest the communication strategy more so than just the word spoken.

The spoken word can be powerful, but it can also be manipulated in different ways. So I think really leaning in to all the other attributes that the person is sharing can also be a form of emotional intelligence. And I'll share this quick story with you. So I do private coaching at Invictus. And I'll check in with people in the mornings and I'll text them, Hey, how's it going? How's sleep? How's mindset? How's food? How's your family? Things like that is just a general, you know, making sure they know I'm there to co-pilot their journey. And then when they come in for their session, I might be working out or I might be doing pull-ups, but I can see out of the corner of my eye, Oh, this person's got a pep in their step today. They're very talkative. Looks like they

had a good day. We can get after it. And then other people might be wearing a hat, might not be talking much, might be a little bit in their feelings or a little bit frustrated. Maybe parking was a pain in the butt. And so all those things are taken forms for me to be like, Oh, one person lies a little bit more on the anxious side. The other person lies maybe more on the depressive side and just using those things as data inputs to elicit an optimal session for them where the depressive person needs to get a win. And then the person that's a little bit anxious, we can like step on the gas pedal and maybe lift a little bit heavier or integrate a little bit more intensity. And when you're making those observations, I'm guessing that you're not thinking of them like that either.

For you, it's second nature, but for the sake of this podcast, you're putting words to it. Not that it's second – it's still conscious on your part. I'm not saying it's not conscious, but it is second nature. You're making these. It's become unconscious competence because I've done it for so long now. And that's actually, it relates back to the podcast because like you, I've studied people. I've observed them. I mean, even in basketball, I was watching a lot of game film and things like that.

And studying people gives you insight as to how to better orient yourself in relation to them and how to help and how to push when you need to push, pull back when you need to pull back, and maybe hold space like we discussed before when needed. Have you ever interviewed Laura Horvath? I haven't. We've messaged back and forth a little bit in the past, but I've not had her on the show. How is she? Besides a hell of an athlete that we got to see this last year, it was impressive, her performance.

Oh, God, I don't know. I don't even know. Let me come back to her one second. Let me just read this really quick. Okay. Pat, I would need more data on her. I needed you to be like, yes, I've interviewed her three times. I need more data on her.

Patrick Clark, I've met Bryce a few times, and his awareness and his surroundings is amazing. He's constantly processing information from people watching. You know, I wonder also, in the most superficial sense, if you see stuff that I don't see because you're taller. Do you know what I mean? Like you're in a branch higher in the tree. Ah, I see a jaguar coming. Everyone take to the holes run to your hole jaguar high possibility man that

uh that media area gets quite crowded these days with everybody and so i might be able to see a few things that you don't see the air is a little thinner though so i might have some shortness of breath. Yeah. So going back to the alchemy thing about if someone's – I'm okay with people being mean to me and rude to me and processing that and making that okay. She does something to me that I'm struggling to process. cannot who's she laura horvat i can't tell if she's being sarcastic i can't tell if it's a just a massive huge cultural leap i'm making i can't tell like truly she's disgusted by me i can't tell if she's flirting with me i can't tell what the not flirting with me. I can't tell what the – not flirting in the sexual sense, but just like doing the human dance. You know what I honestly think? I just cannot figure her out, but I'm fascinated by it, and I want more.

You know what I mean? It's like black licorice or like putting that battery on your tongue, you know, like to check a 9-volt battery. Never done it. You never done that? Oh, like so if you have a 9-volt battery, you put it on your tongue to see if it's still got a charge that's like laura horvath i'm like i'm gonna go try one more time every time like oh yeah it's i think it's a little bit of a uh it's a challenging scenario because i would probably guess that all of your interactions with her are at main events where she's probably performing. And so going back to what I was saying

before, I try to think about assuming positive intent for everybody that I interact with. But I also provide a little bit of grace at competition where it's like, ah, that person might be standoffish or that person's got narrow focus. I know for me, there are moments where I'm so focused on the craft that I'm not as personable as I might be on the podcast or I might be doing something else. And that's not a negative or a dislike to other people. It just means that like I'm practicing the art of presence of being where my feet are. And hopefully that doesn't come off in a negative way, but I'm not in control of that. And I think she views it potentially in that same boat where, I she's she's narrow-minded in in that instance of like hey i want to win the

crossfit games i'm trying to do my absolute best to die for points as justin madaris would say and um you know she did that this last year it's pretty cool i'm sure she'd hop on and spitball with you though i think it'd be fun she's been on on. She was on. She came on. It was an hour and a half of... I needed another at-bat. You know what I mean? Nice, man. You've had everybody on. It's pretty cool.

I try. Sebi, can you have Bryce say Hasta la vista, baby. Cave Dastro. That's quite the name. Hasta la vista, babyastra that's quite the name hasta la vista baby there you go there you go i hope it was worth the dollar 99 are you with dave yesterday right yeah he got a new tree it was cool um two nights ago he called me and he said hey um i'm going to this competition you should come i got a new truck i'm gonna drive out there i'm like oh it's i have a podcast in the morning i can't and then i called them back i'm like hey you think i'm an idiot for not going i go dude he's like get out of your fucking comfort zone of course you're

fucking idiot go out walk around say hi to people and then we'll get back in the car and drive back and he was right that's cool man was it fun up there? It was cool, yeah. I mean, yeah. Do you know who Blair Morrison is and Ben Alderman? I do. I don't know them personally, but I'm aware of who they are. Of them, okay, yeah. So it was their event, cool event, at a state park, right by a lake. Felt like the games in 2009.

Oh, that's cool. That old school vibe. Yeah, thousands of people there, pop-up tents everywhere people get swimming in the lake it was rad it was really really really cool lots of cool people um i watched dave get kicked out of um uh some lady kicked him out of the athlete area yeah that made me pretty happy dave and i would see dave get kicked out of areas at the crossfit games you know what i mean like some security guard like whose outfits 12 sizes too big kick him out and dave would just wait till someone came along and like was like this is dave and he would always be chill but i could tell yesterday at this event when they kicked him out he's just like what like what

like how like how are you like he wasn't even doing anything he wasn't even anywhere like precarious yeah yeah but this lady came and kicked him out and i always just think it's funny it's like dude hey that's great they're they're taking their job seriously yeah that's a good place to be uh you um you you you started the podcast why why did you start the podcast i was hoping you'd ask that man um so in 2018 someone asked me the other day and i was tripping on that i'm like well that's a weird question okay yeah no it's actually one of my favorite questions um in 2018 i was training for the crossfit games well actually at regionals at the time and i got a phone call from my sister and she was pretty distraught and uh she said that our dad was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer.

Um, I didn't quite know how to handle that at the time. So I walked outside of Invictus out of a morning training session. I just bawled my eyes out on the curb. And, um, at that time I made the decision, like, you know what, like I'm going to coach until eight, eight 30 at night. Then I'm gonna drive up to LA and spend as much time with my dad as possible. That's what I did. And if he was asleep, I'd go in the hospital parking lot and I'd train. Um, I was messaging Jason Kalipa at the time, like, Hey man, like, how'd you do it with Ava? You know, what, what movements do you suggest? And he was awesome. He responded to the DMS and mad respect to Jason for that. And when my dad would wake up, Savan, I'd look at him and there'll come a point where your kids do this. But I looked at my dad and I was like, man,

I know this guy's my dad, but he had this whole life before I ever existed. So I was like, dad, how was Vietnam? Like, how was it dating mom? Like, what was it like doing real estate stuff and contractor work and working out. And I just asked him about life. And I got to know him as a man. He was only supposed to live four months, ended up living 12. And he taught me a few different, really important things, but one that I think is cool for you and your listeners. And that is we need three things, something to do, someone or something to love and something to look forward to. And he and I both looked forward to those chats and Savan, this is going to give you goosebumps. But at the 2018 regionals,

I was on team Invictus and we were sitting in seventh place going into the final workout. And I think the workout was something along the lines of like team of four, 144 strict handstand pushups, and then like a distance walking lunge with the worm. And it was funny because in training, all my teammates would get pissed at me because my steps were so much longer than theirs. And they were like, God, I'm pulling a groin, like stop. And anyway, we came off the wall first. I had Jen Ryan, Tammy Wild Goose, and Ricky Moore on my team. They're like the best at handstand pushups. So my only job on the wall was to not screw it up. And then Ricky lunged on the way down and then we flipped around to lunge back and we needed to get first or second place in order to qualify for the games. And,

uh, I was in front lunging back and I was like, guys, we got to take Bryce steps and we're not going to make it. And so my teammates sacrificed, they were basically pulling their groin every step and long story short, we qualified. And, uh, my dad was watching on the live feed as last worked out he ever saw. And he passed away a few days later. Wow. Um, wow. It was a very unique experience. And then I went to the 2018 games, caught a, a two 75 snatch weird and tore my left UCL. And, um, it almost felt like life was pushing me a little bit in another direction. And so I remember going to CJ and I was like, Hey man, I think I need to go on a listening tour. I want to chat with people way smarter than me. And I, I realized in that

moment that everybody has a story we know absolutely nothing about. So you can see it gently behind me. It's a little Banksy, the little boy peeking behind the curtain. And honestly, man, that's what I try to do in connecting with people on the podcast is peel back the layers of the onion, peel back the curtains a little bit to share their authentic truth. Because so many people are known for their LinkedIn profile or whatever they show on Instagram or their Instagram bio. And I'm like, no, there's so much more to the human experience than that. And I try to connect with people and create a safe space for their light to shine. And it's more about being R-E-A-L and less about the R-E-E-L. It's something for me that like it had a lot of meaning for me.

And so hopefully, you know, it bleeds through and the passion and, and the way I'm able to converse with the special guests that I connect with. I appreciate the question too. Who was your, do you remember who your first guest was? CJ was, yeah. CJ was my first one. And, um, you know, he, he helped support that journey. And, um, yeah, now we're getting ready to evolve the project a little bit. It's going to move a little bit away from Invictus and, um, it's going to mature. And he's, uh, he's excited to be a part of that. And I'm excited to be a part of that. And it's a really cool endeavor at that time.

Uh, we created the hashtag Smith strong and it was all about, you know, not so much the, the personal name of Smith, but Smithing is, is a crafts person that's, you know, really trying to, to make something with an anvil. And, you know, it's something around the concept that, you know, I think we're all Smiths and Smiths build things, Smiths get the job done. And I think that, uh, it's something that really stands out from that time. And it's, it's time for the project to evolve a little bit. How many times has CJ been on? A few times we started a cool thing called free flow Friday. And, uh, this was in the past. We

didn't, we didn't keep up with it too much, but yeah, we've had him on probably five or six times. didn't keep up with it too much but yeah we've had him on probably five or six times and uh yeah he's fun he's fascinating his mind is is impressive man see you talk about being even keel and the ability to manage peaks and valleys of life that dude can do it speaking of free flow fridays i suspected i often stress about people who are going to come on pretty, pretty good. Every morning I have this, every night when I go to bed and then every morning I woke up, I have like this stress, like this threat of stress. And last night when I knew you were going to be on, I did not have a threat of stress, which is kind of weird because I don't know you at all, but I just figured,

oh, this guy can hang, right? Because I've listened to so many of your podcasts. And so I felt like, okay, I don't normally free flow a podcast like this. I usually have a very like, here's 10 things, or let me rephrase that. I free flow a podcast, but I don't come into them planning to free throw. I'd say more than a free flow. I'd say 50% more they end up free flowing but i'd never plan on it i always come in with the plan and this one i was like all right no plan me and this dude are just gonna hang i did that with fluffy duck too do you know who that is josh pritt yeah he's got yeah cool content he makes me laugh yeah when he came on i'm just like all right fuck it i hope this dude can uh just uh just flow um when you say it's going to evolve what do you mean what do you what can you like superficially like what do you is there something a new studio

or um we're gonna host or no we're just gonna rebrand it um i'm looking to spread my wings a little bit with you know i love having crossfit guests on but I definitely want to lean in to talk into a lot of my friends that are in the NBA, the NFL. I love talking to scientists and getting into some of the fun, controversial topics. And I think it's just an opportunity to spread my wings and evolve to the next chapter. I've always had this entrepreneurial song inside. the next chapter. I've always had this entrepreneurial song inside. And yeah, man, it just feels like the right time to kind of help that project float to the surface a little bit and do what I want with it. Trim some of the fat, add certain things, take certain things away, have some fun friends that can maneuver certain things and help make the project a little bit

more personal, especially since it has so much meaning. um yeah i'll still be a part of the invictus community still coaching there and still loving every bit of them and have you ever read the invictus poem it's actually really cool no you've probably seen the main phrase though like i'm the master of my fate and i'm the captain of my soul. Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes. I've seen it on a shirt. Yeah. And I mean, it just goes down to William Ernest Henley and his body was basically shutting down and it very much relates, since you're an audio book listener, very much relates to Viktor Frankl and his book, Man's Search for Meaning.

Between stimulus and response, there's a space and within that space is the power to choose and yeah man i just think that as i mentioned previously so many people are living lives of quiet desperation and i don't want to i don't want to live in mediocrity and so kind of taking the podcast uh the direction that I want to take it and incredibly thankful for the supporters that helped get it off the ground about three years ago. Are you going to keep the name? No. No, you're not. We're going to change the name.

Do you have any concerns about that? I don't think so, man. I just had a season now where there's so much meaning and there's so much love and connection with people that will always be a part of Invictus and share their truth and share their messaging. But I definitely want to relate it back to the Smith component so it will be rebranded the All Smith Project. the all smith project um what about all of the god once again superficially speaking will you keep it on the same host as like so it'll just keep adding on to that so you won't throw away all the people who already subscribe to your podcast nah okay yeah this makes me very nervous here why. This is a really slow game. Yeah. The podcast game. Someone explained it to me like this.

I don't know if it's true or not. I don't care if it's true. I like thinking about it like this. Basically, we're putting out into the world 90-minute content or longer, and we're asking people to listen to it. And why the fuck would they listen to it if we first haven't given them like one minute or three minute or 10-minute content to get them hooked in and i'm just not really doing that so it's a slow game we do this we're asking them to commit to it and so if every

week we put on two new subscribers it's it's it's a win yeah it's a win it's a win and then the second year if you put on three new subscribers every week it's a win right And then the second year, if you put on three new subscribers every week, it's a win. Right. And then by the 10th year, if you're putting on 10 new subscribers every day, because, you know, it's, they're all, it's crazy wins. And there, I don't know, I don't think anyone made it overnight. Like every single like person who quote unquote made it. And by made it, I just mean like they could buy a house, let's say. Right. Yeah, totally. And they got a big, they got a pocket, they could, they got a, they got a credit card that's always at zero, right? There's no one who made it overnight. They all put in fucking, there's no 10 years.

You know what I mean? Like people like Jake, Paul and Logan, Paul made overnight. And then you look into their history and they were like little boys when they started their commitment. You know what I mean? It's like, wow.

It's seed planting. It it's authenticity it's consistency it's it's trying to create and elicit an experience that's maybe different than other podcasts um and it's making me nervous that you're gonna start over just making me like what are you gonna like like what if you lose that that base maybe i will but it's but it's a risk that I'm willing to take now because I don't want to sit on a park bench at 85 years old and tell the story of what I could have done. Oh, for sure. And have the song inside, right? your own mortality. And you think to yourself like, hey, what are the gifts that I possess? When you go through life things, all of a sudden, when you get out of that emotional fog,

you put on a set of lenses that elicit your truth and you start operating at the beat of your own frequency. People start recognizing that. And to be quite frank, I'm not doing this for other people. I'm doing it for me. And I want to elicit cool opportunities and special stories for other people. And I think when you do things for the right reasons, inevitably, the world takes notice. by any means, but I do what's called gas. And that means I give a shit and I'm trying to learn. I'm trying to upgrade. I'm trying to share, love, explore, dream, discover. And, uh, if I fuck it up, that's okay too, because, uh, it's listening to my heart's whisper and it's in pursuit of my peak expression. And hopefully that bravery and vulnerability bleeds to other people. Hopefully that bravery and vulnerability bleeds to other people. When you say you're not doing it for other people… I don't want – I don't – first, I don't believe you.

So bear with me here. Bear with me here. Let's say, go ahead. What are you going to say? I was going to say that that's not why the podcast started. The podcast started for me and then eventually turned into, oh, wow. I can create a safe space for people to authentically share their story and ask questions and find things about their world as to why they are the way they are. So it's become very collaborative where hopefully I can help co-pilot their storytelling journey. But it's also, I guess, a better way of saying it is I'm not doing it for the external validation of others. I'm not doing it for the external validation of others.

I'm doing it because I authentically want to be with somebody as they share their truth, which I don't think many people get to share their truth. And I think that there's a different association with that. So I'm happy that you held space for me to articulate that better. I like that. Okay. And what does that mean when someone's truth, what does that mean to help people articulate their truth? Yeah, there's a difference between character and reputation. Character is who you actually are,

and reputation is how the world views you. And I think so much, especially within the CrossFit space, there's a reputation associated with social media specifically. And that might be a part of the story. But hopefully there's more to the story. And there's layers and there's roots that we can explore for people to share the things that maybe most people don't know about them. I mean, I got a message the other day. Most people didn't know that Ariel Loewen trains

in her garage at her home. And they were kind of blown away that she wasn't a part of a training camp. And little things like that that come through. Many people didn't know the specificity as to why Hayley Adams stepped away. So many people didn't understand some of the depth with some of the guests that we've had on.

They just know the surface level stuff that's shown on YouTube and Instagram and Twitter and I guess now threads. And so being able to kind of get the fog out of the mirror a little bit is a fun place to kind of play. You know that. that yeah i that one um that phrase that is is weird because i don't have a strong i don't i'm not i haven't been able to digest that the the your truth thing tell me your truth share with me your truth but you you but when you defined it now it is palatable for me i don't think most people use your truth in the way that you just used it i i mean i i accept the way you used it i wish more people used it the way you used it i think a lot of people use your truth in the way that you just used it. I accept the way you used it. I wish more people used it the way you used it.

I think a lot of people use your truth as a justification for some bullshit that they're thinking. And it's like, hey, that doesn't mean it's true. We all have the truth that our truth is that green means go and red means stop. But that is not fucking true. that our truth is that green means go and red means stop but that is not fucking true we have just agreed upon that so fucking we don't get in a car accident on the corner of 35th and and parker right i mean it's all relative right like truth is when i say your truth it's specific to the individual we have universal truths right which you know we could probably or accepted delusions like like rules that we live by to sort of allow the gears of civilization to move forward.

Yeah, and I love challenging those and deconstructing societal norms because, let's be honest, Sivan, this entire world is made up. If you zoom out far enough, Earth disappears. And so it's like realizing that and then making decisions accordingly, I think is a very interesting perspective to possess somewhere in between the ears. And I think it's very healthy and very important for people to question things. And even if people lie on different sides of spectrums and that it's not just political, it can be any spectrum. It's just really awesome when you have two people that are malleable enough to think, you know what? I'm going to have this uncomfortable conversation with this other person. And if they possess the ability to have an awesome argument,

I might lean a little bit closer to them. We got to be open-minded enough. And I also think uncomfortable conversations are the secret sauce to move the needle in the right direction. And I wish more people were willing to have them because they might not feel the best, but going back to the, this too shall pass thing, your feelings are going to come and go. And so just have the uncomfortable conversation and be open to the fact that we both might learn something from it. And the presuppositions that come with when you engage in a conversation with someone is pretty trippy. One of the things that I always forget is that on some level, none of us want to be completely free.

And so there's this presupposition that, but in my head, we all want to be free, but even me, myself, there's this there's this presupposition that but in my head we all want to be free but even me myself there's things that oh shit like you want some sort of oppression or control or like you you want some sort of parameters maybe parameters right but in the other hand you you you you i guess it's the difference between character and what was the other one and reputation reputation yeah character is who you really are right yeah look at it my reputation is that i really want to be free as fuck but um but what does free mean to you like if you were to define free how would

you categorize free because that might be different than how other people be able to explore anywhere in my mind you know what i mean like um the the – I had a flat earther guy on the show, and people get really, really angry when you have a flat – when I had a flat earther on. And I realized, oh, it's because they can't go there in their mind or like people who have strong feelings about abortion. You'll see them like – one person is like it's killing the baby. The other person is like, hey, it's women's rights. And they're complete refusal to look at what the other person is saying yeah or they don't even about the flat earth yeah yeah have you ever been to outer space no i have not been to outer space most of us haven't actually i mean i've been in an airplane i've been in an airplane totally yeah most of us have not been outer space. We know the narrative that's told to us

by the government. We know footage that we've seen. We know science that has been articulated towards us, but none of us really know. And I'm not saying the earth is flat. I'm also not saying the earth is round, but possessing that level of malleability of the mind is I think something that can positively impact the world is being open to the conversation. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, good or bad. I'm just saying it is a possibility. We don't know. We have not seen it with our eyes. There's tons of great arguments, but there's tons of great arguments for lots of things that have been deconstructed over time. So I actually challenge the specificity

of that narrative that people put other people down for asking uncomfortable questions. And so some people, because they're not there, they think they want to be free, but even that conversation scares them to the point where they become violent, verbally violent. Yeah. And it's, it's wild to me that on the other hand there are people i know who are extremely closed-minded who i love being around because they're great at making fucking decisions they're so fucking calculated and smart and they see well i'll be like well i don't know and they're like shut the fuck up get in the car we're going you know what i mean no that's a it's a really good point exploring the possibilities uh i have

tons of guy friends who've sabotaged great relationships with women because they're like i just can't see myself marrying her or she's gonna move away in six months i'm like motherfucker go love her with all your heart and get hurt like what do you mean go get her what are you talking about chase that shit down yeah what is she what if she moves she's going back to the ukraine in a month so what we could die tomorrow fucking get crazy they gotta they gotta listen to like i said before the heart's whisper man if it lights your heart on fire you gotta go for it yeah yeah it's a um hey just out of curiosity yeah why did you start your podcast? In the most gross sense, superficial sense, it was a convergence of Matt Souza, the owner of CrossFit Livermore, who I'd met a few times but I I didn't know so well. And Dave Castro and my wife, I'm all saying things to me. Basically, Sousa's like, hey,

you should start a podcast again. He called me out of the blue. I didn't know really who he was. I just met him a couple of times and I was like, no, thanks. And he's like, what would it take for you to start a podcast? And I go, someone paid me half a million dollars a year. I'll do a podcast. And he didn't even flinch. That was like my way of saying go away and then he kept calling me and bugging me and like asking me about it and then he came to my house and visited me once and it's a long drive it's like 70 or 80 miles couple hour drive through the bay area and then um and then dave and then my wife's like hey you always say that the world is conspiring to make you succeed because i really do feel that at every turn the world's like like giving me shit giving me shit and she goes and you're not listening to it you're just telling the world to fuck off by this guy keep telling you he'll do a podcast with you he'll help you do it

and then dave's like hey dude you need to fucking listen and do a podcast and i'll do the first one with you which was crazy politically um there was a point where i was uh um to quote the tommy uh uh tonto i was persona non grata like it was i was very toxic it was not someone who anyone should want to be around and he came to my house and we did a podcast dave did well and i was like fuck and then jason kalipa is like hey i want to do one with you too and then it was like and then Jason Kalipa is like, hey, I want to do one with you too. And then it was like – and then that was it. I started doing it. Was there a moment in those two conversations with Dave and then with Jason that you were like, oh, this is what I'm meant to do?

Was there a moment that you were able to get past the barrier? No. I mean I've been interviewing people since I've been 23 with the camera in my hand, since the day Apple released Final Cut Pro, I've been talking to people. Do you remember interviewing me in 2014? No. No. At a regional?

I competed for Valley CrossFit early on with Chris Clever, and I was sitting on an assault bike after an event, and you were in the warm-up area, and I was doing a cool-down on the assault bike after an event and you were in the warmup area and I was doing a cool down on the assault bike and you had a camera right there. And that was my first interaction with you back in 2014. Wow. Wow. I remember being there at that gym. Was Camille there that day too? This was before I was at Invictus. This wasn't at Invictus. This was at the 2014 regional. Yeah. And I was competing for Valley CrossFit at the time, which is where I started in the LA area. Yeah. I remember all

those porn. There was all, it was in the, in the porn district, right? It was more Van Nuys porn district was Catsworth. I just remember being parked out there one time and all these girls were in guys were parading and I go, what's going on over there? They go, it's a porn studio. Oh, that's actually news to me. I actually didn't know that when I was there. That facility was so cool though, man. We had like a gymnastic spring floor. We had so much space and all the toys early on.

It was so fun. Becca Voigt was my first coach. Who's the owner of that? The owner was Michael Latch. I don't know if you remember him from the og days yeah you know what's cool about him though becca and i texted about this the other day he did stuff with like jujitsu and circus training and back in the day we were doing pullovers before they were cool and so for them to come full circle in this year's competition season

was very awesome. Like he was teaching us somersaults. We were juggling. We were doing stuff with hula hoops. And it's honestly a big reason why I have so much appreciation for the parkour space and what your kids do, because it was introduced to me early on when I was at Valley. When I was there, Michael was training someone who was like a stuntman for like a Spider-Man movie or something. Brian Orozco is like the most famous – or not the most anymore, but at the time was a very famous American ninja warrior. And so he was doing all kinds of – he was trying to get into the CrossFit space.

And then Tempest Fre Free Running Academy was very close. So Paul Darnell, who stunt doubled for Superman, was the owner of Tempest. And so we kind of collaborated with those guys a little bit. And mad respect for parkour, man. I never really got into it, but I tried it a few times, and it is tough. Do you know the guy Dom?

He's European. He's big like you. what what give me he's a he's a parkour guy he's massive on instagram he does the craziest shit long he looks like brad pitt but six four wow no i have i haven't i haven't seen his his stuff but parkour is cool to me man i wonder if I could find him. It's so funny how the world comes full circle. I feel like we've run in parallel lanes, but not cross pads specifically before.

It's kind of cool. I think it's on my kid's account. It's all good. He does all the crazy stuff. If I pull up his account, I think everyone will be like, Oh shit. Wow. Dom tomato.

Let me see. Dom. You have a screen you can see. Yeah. Okay. Dom. Oh, here he is.

I thought he had more followers than this. It's, it's absolutely nuts. the shit he does. So this is a stare. Look at this. Oh, my gosh. Oh, what a nutter. Also, just the grace and absorbing in the landing because that could really fuck you up.

Yeah, it is a his account is absolutely nuts i've been trying to get him on the podcast for years and he's a big dude you when i think of the sport i would think of as just a little guy sport yeah same wow i'll have to check this thing out what's his handle dom tomato dom tomato nice i'll have to check that is is does he operate as a stunt double as well i have no idea it's what a lot of those guys do and they they do really well at least when i was in la they did pretty well and they all got paid a sag that's a beautiful shot are you done go ahead are you done competing yeah i'm all done man i still jump in with our athletes and scale things next to them and get my butt kicked every day but

uh competing in the sport of crossfit i'm done man i've done a couple high rocks here and there just for fun with friends uh fitness will always be a huge part of my life, but I don't know, man, the competing side of things is, doesn't get the juices flowing like it used to, but I like being a part of it. I like going to the events and supporting people and seeing all the cool things that they're doing out there and seeing my friends kick ass. It's fun. Was the goal to play professional basketball like in the NBA? Was the goal to play professional basketball in the NBA? Yeah, that was the goal, man. I wish I was able to get there, but never made it quite that far.

Did you think you deserved to be there, or were you like, fuck, those guys are just on this other level? I think in high school I still had the optimism to think I could get there. Then I played at San Diego State and still possessed like that optimism when I was there. And it just never really transpired, man. I never really found my niche and my lane, I guess, at the collegiate level. And I definitely played well when I was in Europe. That was a better style and I was a better fit over there. But yeah, man, mad respect to all the guys that play in the NBA. There's 450 jobs, man.

And every single one of those guys is a stud and they're big, they're strong, they're athletic. Like people think some of the things we see in CrossFit are cool, but when you're a professional athlete making that type of money, there's a reason why you're making that type of money because you can do things that other people can't do. Right. Going back to the believing in yourself, there's this guest that we've had on the show a bunch of times named Tyson Bajent, and he just made it onto the Chicago Bears. Oh, that's incredible. And basically, no one believed he was going to do it. No one fucking believed it it i'll have to check that out i like that kind of stuff and now he's the backup quarterback he came from division two

college to backup quarterback in one year for the chicago bears that's badass and yeah that's cool and every weekend i would sort of feel vicariously through him this like i couldn't tell whether he really believed in himself that much or if he was faking it i couldn't tell i mean there's a rooting mentality somewhere in there to make it that far because let's be honest too in the mlb and the nba there's guaranteed contracts man the nfl there's not and there's a lot more risk associated with the NFL. What does that mean? What do you mean guaranteed? Explain that to me. Like in the NFL, there's not necessarily guaranteed contracts until you've made it. I believe it's your sixth year in the league where the majority of your contract is guaranteed. There's certain guys that may sign certain contracts, but if they don't adhere to the deliverables or the outcomes that are agreed upon,

they actually just get cut and released. And that's why they say NFL actually stands for not for long. And when you look at the NBA and the MLB, the majority of those contracts are guaranteed. And so there's not necessarily performance metrics for them to get paid. And so it's a really volatile world. Do you ever watch Hard Knocks? No, I haven't seen that. It's a cool show, man. But more importantly, aside from just the training and the…

Is it on Netflix? Is it a Netflix series? No, I think it's HBO Max. And the one that they're following currently is uh the new york jets and so they've got um what's his name aaron rogers who previously paid for the packers and now he's the starting quarterback for the jets and wait he's still he still plays football yeah he's with the jets now and he was incredibly controversial after doing you know his conversation with rogan around psychedelics and then he was on with aubrey marcus and he was incredibly controversial after doing you know his conversation with rogan

around psychedelics and then he was on with aubrey marcus and he did like a silent retreat he's uh and i remember his pat mccaffrey and he was on mccaffey like he would come on every week with uh that guy uh is his name pat mccaffey the guy who stands up and wears the the tank top sports guy and he would just go on there and be like hey i'm not taking the vaccine over and like every week you remember that i remember him saying that's how he popped up on my radar oh interesting yeah he held his ground yeah it's a cool conversation man i mean i will say as far as the vaccine i haven't met anybody that did not get it that regrets it. Right, right, right.

At the very least, that says something. There are some stories of people – like you could go over to – you can find people who are on their deathbed who are like, shit, I should have taken it. You think so? But yeah, you'll see it. If you go over to CNN, it'll be like, it'll be like father's dying breath is apologizing to his kids that he wishes he would have taken the injection. And then when I see a picture of the dad, no offense, but I don't think the vaccine was going to save him either way.

There's so many biomarkers, right? To look at, right. It's like, if you're an older adult, that's potentially at risk. Okay. It's worth a healthy conversation. But this is something that actually I think is really important is you, my brother is actually an emergency medicine doctor, loving to death. And I get to hear all the stories on one side of the spectrum around, you know, COVID deaths. And it's very challenging for a lot of these doctors. And I would probably

relate that to the concept of reactive medicine, big pharma, we're all probably going to need it one day in some capacity. But then there's this whole conversation of preventative medicine, big pharma. We're all probably going to need it one day in some capacity. But then there's this whole conversation of preventative medicine, health, lifestyle choices, nutrition choices, movement, fitness, contrast therapy, treating people appropriately, doing all of those fucking things consistently over time. I think the two of them need to learn to get along in the middle somewhere and not have it be so volatile of one's better than the other. And I think in the world of fitness, it's challenging because it's disrespected because there's not like an insurance model associated with it.

And then on the other side, it has more weight because most people are going to be penalized if they don't have health insurance. But at the end of the day, going back to the open-mindedness and malleable conversation that you and I were having, these two sides need to work together. And if these people over here can consistently work out and make good food choices, at the very least, those things are going to lead to less necessity for reactive medicine and big pharma that possesses volatile risk. And so I definitely think that that's worth a conversation at the very least to allow that to get more popular in people's minds. And that quite frankly was not a huge part of the narrative. And that's what rose my eyebrows along the lines of like, it needs to be at least part of the conversation.

We live in this world where resources, the limited resource subject is like, seems to be on the forefront of everything, right? Whether it be with climate change or jobs, or it's always about limited resources, gas, electric cars, and yet clearly one of the biggest resources being tapped in the world today, especially in this country, is healthcare. It's like – I would argue it's going to be the collapse of civilization if we're not fucking careful, if not already. And yet the people who are the least taxing on that resource, healthcare, for some reason are villainized yeah i mean you know it's really interesting too it's uh it's it's completely inappropriate even and i don't mean to attack the big people but like you take more gas when you go on an airplane someone who weighs 400 pounds when they go to the when they go to the the the game, Oakland Athletics baseball game, they drink four cups and they use four styrofoam cups.

They drink four Cokes. I only drink one. I mean there's just like this whole like – the hospital beds they take, there's just this consumption from people that's never recognized or not – you're not allowed to talk about because for some reason it would be inappropriate but dude it's like it's it's everywhere you take two seats your car requires more gas you're eating more food than me you're requiring more doctor services than me and going back to going back to the injection god another thing i will i will pile on to this where i agree with you in regards to the injection. Maybe there are some people who wish they would have taken it, but I know tons of people who took it, tons who are like, oh, fuck, what did I do? Like they're not sleeping so good at night.

They're tripping. What's interesting about that is you should be allowed to have hesitancy and say, you know what? I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm actually just pressing pause for a moment and allowing myself to gather more information. choice not to get it. And I think that's where the controversy comes in around the labeling and the condescending nature associated people chose not to get it, but it wasn't reciprocated the other way, or maybe reciprocated is not the right word, but it wasn't pushed the other way of like putting people down for getting it. And then we started to see the myocarditis. We started to see, you know, ED, we started to see all kinds of side effects that were a by-product. I mean, to see Bronny James showing up in the news with heart issues, the son of LeBron James, and then other notable basketball players just happens to be an arena that I pay a lot of attention to. And there's not speculation. There's not looking

into why is this going on? This seems to raise some red flags. At the very least, it's like, guys, let's ask better questions. Something here stinks. We got to pay attention to that. And we need to make sure we're making the best decisions. And for some people, you know, my mom's in her 70s. The vaccine might be a good choice for her where she's at risk. But for certain people that are healthy adults that are taking necessary precautions, maybe the vaccine's not a good choice. So I do think there's case dependency where it doesn't need to be a one size fits all model. what do you think what do you think about this um there was a kid at the skateboard park the other day not a kid grown-ass man 30 year old man skating around with a mask on and um i took a picture of him and i sent it to one of my friends and my friend goes god you're such a dick and i go what do you mean i go i'm

thinking about posting this he goes dude just let people do what they want to do he can wear a mask he can not wear a mask i'm like what they want to do. He can wear a mask. He can not wear a mask. I'm like, yeah, I totally agree with you. He can wear a mask. So why are you being a dick? Why are you taking a picture of him? Why are you going to post it? I said, hey, listen, dude.

I think that we're all mirrors here. And he's at the skate park and he's wearing that. And what he's telling my kids, he's telling my kids the same thing that someone who lights up a cigarette around me is doing. They're telling me that smoking's okay. We're all mirroring each other. And so he's wearing a mask here and that mask to me is saying, hey, there's a sickness and there's something to be afraid of. And he can wear it. And I'm not mad at him or I don't hate him for it. But I can also post it and be like, hey, look, this is ridiculous. This guy is skating at the skate park.

You guys don't need to do this. There's nothing to be afraid of. And so we kind of had this back and forth. Like he says I'm being a dick. Let people do what they want to do, which I agree with. I am being a dick. And I do think that people should be allowed what they want to do. But I'm also not being a dick, let people do what they want to do, which I agree with. I am being a dick and I do think that people should be allowed to what they want to do, but I'm also not being a dick. It's

like, Hey, if you're going to wear a mask or you're going to do something, um, uh, that I think is just completely bizarre, then why can't I take a picture of you and post it and be like, what the fuck is this? Look, look at the message they're sending to the world. You have any thoughts on that? Yeah, totally. I mean, I think there's a very interesting scenario around freedom of speech, right? Like he is speaking a language that allows him to feel safe. Right. And you're speaking a language that allows you to feel safe, but also educate your children the way you want them to be educated. And so it creates this discrepancy within the messy middle, which is how do you convey each other's message? Most misunderstandings are basically just a manipulation of communication.

He's wearing a mask. For all you know, unless you have a conversation with him, you don't actually know why he's wearing a mask. You can make an assumption. Right, right. Good point. But you also don't know. Good point. He could be doing it just to piss me off and be completely against masks. he's wearing a mask. You can make an assumption, but you also don't know. Good point. He could be doing it just to piss me off and be completely against masks. He could be doing it because he has a rare autoimmune disease. He could be doing it because his mom

has cancer at home. Yeah, I totally agree. However, to flip that script, you also possess agency to protect your kids at all costs. And your kids are now observing that behavior and it elicits a narrative in their mind. So I think it just goes, comes down to personal parenting where maybe you press pause for a moment, you pull your kids aside and you just help them understand like, Hey, that gentleman is doing X, Y, and Z behavior. You don't have to allow that to infiltrate your mind and you can create, you know, blinders and just focus on you and our experience today and not allow external things that are quite frankly outside of our control to infiltrate your mind. It's a hard conversation for a young child to process, you know, and I'm not a parent. So maybe it's irresponsible for me to share this, this humble piece. I no i like it i like it but yeah man i mean i got even for sure

i got a better one for you ready for this bring it so my kids i my kids were watching transformers and they really like transformers, the cartoon. And then there ended up being a non-binary robot talking to a non-binary kid. And I'm like, well, they're not watching transformers anymore because I'm not, I'm not explaining that to my kids because one, because I don't under,

cause it's, it's made up to me. Like the simpleton I am, I don't even have a gender. Like, I don't even just like, I don't have a Halloween car. I just am who I am. I don't even know what my gender is. I know I wear condoms. I'm old school. But so I switched them to the A-team. I'm like, okay, I'm going to just let them watch shit from the 80s where there isn't that shit.

from the 80s where there isn't that shit right so i start having to watch the 18 thinking that okay now i'm not going to have to explain this to my kids until like they're 12 i don't have to explain to my six-year-old what non-binary is yeah or what gender is not because i don't want to it's just because i just don't think he's ready to i he he's he's not even sure if santa claus is real why am i going to make up some other concept or ideas i I just want him to be like, yeah, I have a penis. I need to soap it and wipe my butt. I think it's a really challenging scenario. At the end of the day, do you have a front tail or not? That's how it was kind of presented to me.

Bryce, there's a.0000 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, one percent that has both. I hold space for that argument for sure. I don't agree with it. And I think that, you know, we were positioned on this world where, yeah, there's all kinds of variables and speculations and percentages that lie this way or that way. and percentages that lie this way or that way, at the end of the day, it's pretty simple to just see, do you have a front tail or not? And just because you may possess, if you're a male and you possess feminine attributes or you happen to have cognizant behavior that maybe leans that way, you're not able to make a child at the end of the day. You don't, you're, you don't necessarily have a womb. That is in my humble opinion, something that is, uh, you know, developed over time cognizantly. And, you know, it may be a learned skill because of feeling misunderstood in some capacity. And I might be totally wrong and irresponsible for saying this,

see, and I might be totally wrong and irresponsible for saying this, but if you, if you have a front tail, like then, then you have a penis. That's just the way it is. If you don't, then you don't, then you have the ability to, you know, make a child and there's different hormone factors that play in relation to those. We all have testosterone and estrogen in our blood and in our bodies. and estrogen in our blood and in our bodies. It's just the ratio may be case dependent and change. I think it's a very complex conversation that possesses a lot of misunderstanding and challenge and quite frankly, almost feels like it's elicited to just create an uproar and give people that are bored something to explore. But at the end of the day i think it's a pretty simple task okay well listen to where it's gone wait to see how this this is going to take a crazy twist so my kids watch the a team now and guess who they like the most are you familiar

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Here we go. Images. It's a show from the 80s. I watched it like crazy. I loved it. This is the show here you see these this is a hannibal smith murdoch with the hat hannibal's like the guy the general guy murdoch is the crazy guy he flies the airplane and this is face man he's the good looking guy who like

gets all like if they need like guns or something or he gets it for him and then this is mr t he's known as ba baracus bad attitude and see all those gold necklaces he's wearing yeah so my kid wants to get all those gold necklaces so i've slowly on amazon been buying him costume jewelry one at a time so he can look like ba barackas this is a jew this is a jew boy but now he got a big old cross on him because ba got it so he got the cross and the dollar sign. I'm like, hey, you're a Jew. You can't wear that.

He's like, I'm Christian, too. I'm like, all right. And he's getting all the gold. And so he says, so the other day, this has been going on for like two weeks. And every day through Amazon, another more costume jewelry is coming. And he says to me, hey, do I look like B.A.? I'm like, not so much. And he goes, okay.

He's like, I want to be him for Halloween. And I said, okay. He's like, I want to be him for Halloween. And I said, okay. He said, I'm going to need some black makeup. Now, am I supposed to explain to him that some fucking assholes at the turn of the century wore black makeup, making fun of black people? And now because of those dildosos you can't dress up as your guy my other kid wants to be tupac with he got the thug life tattoo on his stomach right i got that from amazon for him nice how what how am i how what what am i supposed to say no sorry you can't do the black face because some jackass in fucking 1903 it's an interesting conversation around

emulation what i mean he has no i don't want to tell him that story i want to be like yeah go ahead get dressed up as mr t yeah i told you yesterday they said he can dress up as mr t just don't take any pictures and put it on the internet yeah i think parenting now is probably harder than ever um you know and they're they're emulating people that they look up to there There's humor associated with it. I mean, Dave Chappelle does a great job of touching on some of these categories where it's like, it's funny because it's offensive, right? And it's like, I think it's a healthy opportunity to educate your kids around like, hey, you can emulate these people without necessarily coloring

your skin, not because I don't want you to do that, but because it may hurt other people. And I think we have a duty as humans to try to elicit no harm on others. And I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I think it's just something that you possess a level of neutrality and you can be like, hey, we can play this game maybe inside the household during certain times, but we can't put this out there where it can potentially hurt other people, where it gets misunderstood and misguided. And it's unfortunate because there is so much of the world that gets offended by things that are so innocent like this. But it's an educational opportunity that

is subtly a little bit painful for parents. But hopefully in time, if there's consistency with the messaging, the children will understand and then they'll be able to make their own personal choices. They're old enough. Or I get concerned that if I don't let them do it, that I'm participating in a narrative that's supposed to be sensitive to not hurt other people, but is really keeping other people down. Right. So there's no reason for that narrative to be there. That narrative, like we could set people free from a narrative that they use to be offended by. Right. So I also think, though, you might not like this. I think you're allowing

the actions of others to live in between your ears. I think you, I think you're just allowing other people to joystick or control what's going on in your headspace of like, at the end of the day, if you think it's okay, it's your relationship with your kids, who cares what they think. But then simultaneously, if you want to maintain neutrality, then it's like you create expectations with your kids up front of, hey, I understand what you're doing, but this could be offended, offensive to other people. So we're probably not going to do it. And I think that just comes down to a personal parenting choice. And I honestly think at the end of the day, people are just trying to do their best. So if somebody is taking offense to the painting of one's face, they've probably been hurt somewhere along their lives or there's been a trigger of some sort where they see that thing.

And then they look at you and your wife and they make an assumption. But it goes back to what is that? It's a miscommunication. I think they haven't been hurt, but they're trying to hold. They're trying to still maintain the narrative that they could be hurt. And it's that's a high possibility. But all of this is constructed, right? It's all constructive narratives that have been made over time.

And I think if we treat people appropriately, it's like, do what you want to do. It's still a form of freedom of speech. And my actions don't have to affect you at all. Right. Right. Did you ever skateboard? I tried when I was young, man. I think I was able to do some pop shove-its. I think I did some heel flips, a couple of kick flips when I was young. Are you a good dancer? I tried it. maybe i'm a good dancer because i don't care but i'm not a good dancer by uh any sort of metrics by any means i'm a i'm a tall goofy white guy man my my kid that um can do the the the footwork skateboard stuff. He's a good dancer, and he's just a good mover. That's awesome.

Yeah. I've seen the best box jumpers, in my humble opinion, are really good skateboarders and snowboarders because of their ankle dorsiflexion. And so they can get their feet up really high, and their butt can almost be below their feet, and they can still land really high box jumps. And typically, they're good squatters too

from catching some of those tricks really low you how old were you when your dad passed 27 maybe 28 27 or 28 yeah um do you do does that change you forever? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I feel like it, uh, I feel like there's certain instances where it transitions you from a boy to a man. Like, uh, Tuesday of last week, my, uh, my childhood dog Baxter passed away. And, uh, how old was that dog? He was like 16 or 17. He was amazing. Super cool dog. Um, I got him somewhere when I was in college. And then when I left to Europe, he became very tight with my

family. And, uh, my father didn't grow up with a ton of love for animals or dogs, but somehow he and Baxter were like best buddies. And, um, what kind of dog? He looked like a little boxer mix. He's just a little mutt that was mixed with a few different things, but so fun. So full of love. Good looking dude. And when he passed on Tuesday of last week, I remember my mom coming in to tell me, and she was a little distraught. And at that moment, for whatever reason, going back to the emotional intelligence conversation, I could feel that this was very traumatic to her because it was her hanging on to the last bit of my debt. And so when she came in, I knew in that moment I had one job to be there and hold space.

And so I just remember wrapping her up and giving her a hug. Her shoulders were high and she was a little distraught and crying. And I just remember squeezing her close and her shoulders just dropped. And it was an experience, man, where when I was younger, that was the role my dad played. He was the safety net. If when things went wrong, I could fuck up everything. And I always knew he was going to be there to help support no matter what. And he gave me the greatest gift ever, which is he unapologetically believed in me when nobody else did. You talked about the guy that played for the Chicago bears. Like I was irresponsible

going to Taft high school, man. I wasn't athletic enough to play with those guys. And then somehow my junior and senior year became the leading scorer there and got an opportunity to continue and extend my career a little bit. But that was also because of how much belief he possessed in me. Another reason why I believe in this podcast adventure, but more importantly, why I believe that all of these different skills and tools that we add to the toolbox over a lifetime lead to that moment with my mom. People ask, why do you train? I train so I can be the best version of me to give that version away to others. And if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready. And in that moment, it was just a moment where I needed to be strong for a family member that I love and care about. And I think that's where it changed a little bit, where in the beginning, it's a ton

of grief. You wish you can have conversations with them. And then all of a sudden you start to look for those signs and things that were a part of both of our experiences, which for us was butterflies and hummingbirds. So sometimes when life gets a little rocky, I look around and those things present themselves. And I'm like, what's up, dad? How's it going, man? And just, it's a quick little check-in. And I don't know. I think it's something that's very important that I love sharing with people. And there's a unique emotion associated with it. And I mean, it truly makes us wonder, right? None of us really know exactly what the afterlife is. And so exploring that principle and having that conversation is, I think, a commonality

that makes us all human because none of us really know, man. Or where we came from. That too, man. I mean, you go back, there's religious ideation, there's the Big Bang Theory, there's all kinds of thought processes around it, but it's fun to spit ball and wonder, right? Like you ever lay with your kids and just look up to the stars and think, what are those things? Are they actually stars? Are they flashlights? Are we in a simulation? Like you see a shooting star and you're like, what is that? And have those conversations just to, I don't know, maybe think a little bit outside of ourselves for a moment. You said your dad believed in you when he passed. Did that

create a void or is that the part where you became a man? I love the way you said that. I think it created a little bit of a void for a little while. And then over time, you start to deconstruct those thought patterns and wonder and share those conversations and people share advice and wisdom. You have different experiences that don't quite make sense. And all of a sudden, things start to make sense. I don't know, man, I'm speaking a little bit cryptically because it's hard to know if there was like an exact moment. But I mean, he's somebody I think about every single day. I'll share stories for people willing to listen. And I do think it's a big part of shaping the last five plus years of my life. And so, you know, I give him a ton of

credit, but I also, he was a human being too, you know, just like all of us, just trying to figure it out. Having someone who believes in you is crazy. I mean, that's why I said previously, why I admire CJ so much, because I see him do that with his children. It's one of the reasons why I actually really admire you is I see how you do that in your children and your children are so expressive and they do certain things. And I mean, in my humble opinion, the definition of success is not just peace of mind, knowing that you did your best to be the best that you're capable of becoming, which is defined by John Wooden.

But it's more importantly, how do you inspire the next generation? Because there is going to be a time where three generations from now, nobody's going to remember the podcasts and the conversations and the things that we did, but they're going to remember the generations that come after us. And those people hopefully will share some stories like, You know, I liked the energy of that person. That person elicited thought provoking conversation and they positively impacted my life in some way. Um, uh, Chris, uh, Chris says, does he smoke weed? You don't smoke weed. Not a big fan at 27 though i never touched it when i was young because i was always drug tested with basketball and uh at 27 i started to dabble with it because

i was trying to elicit ways to get my father to start eating and stimulate appetite and at that time my sister started working with a cannabis company. So we were very much educating ourselves. And I always like being my own experiment. And so upon, you know, dabbling with that, I have used it in the past to elicit appetite for him. And it was a tool when I tore my elbow of pain management as well early on. But it's not something that I like to consistently use anymore. Yeah.

I don't know. I think everything in life, man, can be a tool, and it can be a tool for a season. I think the moment it starts to own you or the moment it starts to become something that you can't function without it, it's not a tool anymore. It becomes a problem. So I think when things are used appropriately,

they can be great assets to the human experience for sure. You think you're going to have kids? Absolutely, man. Yeah. I have dad vibes. I'm the guy that wears new balances. And yesterday was rocking the leaf blower in the garage and in the backyard and cleaning things up.

Like, I like a listening experiences. I love to teach. I love to love. I love to storytell. I'm going to be an awesome dad one day and I'm excited for that opportunity. Is your full-time job at Invictus? Yeah. So I coach there full-time and play with the podcast and very fortunate to connect with some very cool brands along the way. And fitness has just become such a huge part of my life. After basketball,

I worked as a strength coach at Cal State Northridge for a little while, did some stuff with the fire department, went to EMT school, later pursued physical therapy a little bit. None of those things really ignited my fire the way the innovations of fitness did. And so now I'm fortunate to use fitness as a tool to help guide people towards that peak expression like I talked about before. But I think I do it differently the most. I've said this a few times. I'm sure people have heard it a couple of times. When you work with your hands, you're a laborer. When you work with your hands and your mind, you're a craftsman. But when you work with your hands, your mind and your

heart, you're actually an artist. And so in my humble opinion, I try to elicit art and creativity within the fitness space. And for some people, that's helping them with body composition. And for some people, it's the X's and O's of program design and helping them with performance. For other people, it's mindset. For some people, it's just a listening, a vibe and trying to create a good time. And sometimes it's networking and creating connections with people and play, quite frankly. I mean, you and I both know, you see it with your kids, play is the highest form of learning. And if we can play through a little bit of movement, it just becomes this unique exploration where we're trying to figure things out about our body. Why are we the way we are? Why is this movement better than that movement? And I think we can

learn a lot through that, that humbles us when we get into life rather than allowing the ego to kind of be the leader of the troops. What about, do you have someone to make a baby with? No, not currently. No. I'm on the market. Okay, you are on the market, yeah. It'll happen.

I hope so, man. It'll happen. Yeah, it'll happen. It's fun. Do you have any nieces and nephews? Yeah, I have a niece. My brother just had a baby a couple of years ago and she is, she's so cute. I just FaceTimed with her yesterday and she's at that age where she's really starting to process the world and she's building things and she's got

such a special imagination and she's starting to get super dexterous with their hands. And you can see it in their eyes when they start to look at the world and they're like, oh, I'm tracking. I'm seeing what's going on here. I'm sure as parents you got to be a little careful with your behaviors and your words because they start to mimic everything. Oh, it's fucking nuts. What's been your favorite experience as a father so far?

Is there something that stands out oh waking up in the morning yeah just like the childlike love or are they jump in your bed or what's that like all all that shit all that but but really it's like this is gonna sound kind of silly but when when i was i don't know how old i was but my mom got me a new car a truck and when i would wake up in the morning i would go out in the driveway and look at it like i'd wake up and i would go out there and yep there you are and it's like that with my kids every single day for fucking yeah eight years yeah i just wake up in the morning and i go find them and i look at them in bed and i rubbed and i do you probably did this to your dog but you know like when you would pet

your dog and you would be sleeping and your dog would stretch yeah kids do that so i wake up and my kids in bed and i rub his back and they do that they go because your level of touch is yeah is safe for them they can tangibly feel oh this is this is good energy this is somebody that will protect me this is the person that feeds me i can now spread my wings a little bit and elongate myself it's it's a very special moment you're not the first person that said that i've heard i'm at that age where a lot of my kids or a lot of my buddies have kids yeah and uh they all say that like i can't help it i just stare at them sometimes it's so special yeah you like everything about them you like and especially i think people like you

or me or people who are in this space the movement space you will the same way i said i like going to the crossfit games and watching people move like i i love watching my wife work out and i love watching my kids work out so like i'll go to tennis and tennis instructor will be like hey dude you notice there's no other parents here i'm like yeah motherfucker you know i had this kid so i could watch him move like he wants me to give my kid space i'm like no i he i i he's for i'm here to watch him move i don't even care like i want to see him swing the racket and how his toe turns and how the wind blows his hair and how he smiles at you and how he have you noticed like all the

characteristics that you're like oh i wish he didn't get that one from me they're just they have crazy potty mouth already their sense of humor is crazy sharp and like sometimes i'm like oh that now here's the thing sometimes i accidentally hurt people with my humor and and i see them do that and i'm'm like, fuck, that's going to, that they got that from me. You know what I mean? Like some cutting shit. What is your, what does your wife say when that happens? You know, she tells, she's tried to put the kibosh on some words and some things like

that I do, you know what I mean? Like she, she, she'll like, some observations that I make that I probably, you know what i mean like she should like some observations that i make that i probably you know some that she'll be like hey can you not say that in front of the you know um in front of the boy and then how do you react how do you i i get quiet i get quiet i want i want to like make her happy my wife does not like there's no rules for me really i could do whatever i want but when there is a rule like um she told me like putting the picture behind you of her up front like that one yeah if she told yeah but she doesn't even she probably doesn't even know there's a picture of her back there she probably doesn't even she will she will after this episode she she uh but it's mostly like a one time i wanted to set up an arm wrestling table in the living room and she said no and i just remember just thinking holy shit

it's because she cares about you she doesn't want you to destroy your elbow i didn't think my wife would ever say no to me and i but i didn't even flinch i just didn't do it like when she says so sometimes she'll be like hey don't use that word around the kids you know yeah and i'll be like okay and i'll really do my best not to say that word yeah um hey what's uh what's your fascination with hillar and why um is it because he's controversial because he's a little bit against the grain? Or what is it about him? Nope. Nope.

And fascination is the correct word. I fucking love Andrew. I don't mean like I love him like, ooh, I really love that new Spider-Man movie. I love Andrew. I love Andrew. And it's um maybe I see myself maybe I see myself in him I I don't know I've never actually thought about it but probably he's very loyal um he's a super high level communicator with me we communicate on such a high level.

He's the kind of person where I could be on the phone with him for an hour and a half and we not say anything. You know what I mean? Like he's doing his thing. I'm doing my thing. What do you mean by like high communicator? Clear and intimate. There's,

there's, we don't, the things that we talk about that are very superficial are very, very clear. I am standing on X with a green ball in my hand and I'm throwing it over here with the goal of this. Got it. And like my two other very good friends, I have Dave Castro and Greg Glassman. They're very analytical. Remember, we were talking about people who he's very open minded, but also very analytical. He'll make decisions based on stuff that I would never make a decision on because he, um, uh, because of a discernment he has. Yeah. I've seen that. I've seen that many times. I have to be honest. I don't consume a ton of his content,

but the stuff that I do see is interesting. And I was really upset when he did the upset. It's not the right word. I was very, really upset when he did the upset's not the right word i was very it's when he made the video accusing t of being on steroids i didn't i hated that i didn't see that one yeah i hated that he did that but he's but that doesn't make me not be his friend i communicated with him about it like what why did i still communicate with him i'm still processing it why did he do that i don't know why he did that but it's what he but here's here's the other thing too um i also want to say go back to something very superficial that i love about him is that how hard he works it's every single fucking day it's, it's relentless. It's relentless creation.

There's zero laziness to him. There's tons of risk. There's – I see he is tilling the soil and bearing the fruit. I see the risk factor for sure. I don't know why he did that. I don't know why he – but I don't think he's done done doing it he wants to be in that natty or not space yeah for sure and i guess i don't like it because it makes me feel uncomfortable well what's interesting to me is and i wouldn't want it done to me i guess yeah that's fair if i was and i think attention

is the highest form of currency in some capacities for some people. And I don't know. Some of it feels like a reach to me. Some of it feels like putting other people down to build them up. You know, none of us are perfect by any means, but I definitely like the Tia thing in specific. You mean like accusing someone of doing steroids? I think of that. I think some of the stuff that he's put out around Danny has been a little bit irresponsible. And I think it's purposeful because, in your words, Daniel Brandon and Danny Spiegel are needle movers.

They get a lot of attention. And if you ever spend time with either of them, they're fucking hard workers too. They're trying to maximize their craft. And I think sometimes, which is obvious, which is obvious by the way, too. Totally.

Sometimes I think there's just a humble manipulation of circumstance in order to elicit attention that almost feels like he's capitalizing on them. And my wonder going back to our thought processes around legacy is if he's capitalizing on them. And my wonder, going back to our thought processes around legacy, is if he's putting other people down for his personal growth, and I'm not saying that's necessarily his intention, but that's my speculation in observation of some of his work. Well, he's very clear that he's all about the views. He says that, hey, I'm all about the views. very clear that he's all about the views he says that hey i'm all about the views okay totally but 20 years from now how does that sit right like you you built this thing putting down other people like how does that enhance the quality of the crossfit space like in the beginning

it was holding the line of these are the rules. You didn't hit the standards. But then it's become controversial speculation. And it's like, who knows exactly what's going on behind the scenes, which is why I love to podcast. I want to explore that. I want to see what's out there. And for all I know, people could be lying to me and manipulating me, but I'm okay with that because I'm allowing them to tell their story as opposed to me throwing out some sort of fabrication that elicits harm. Let's say, for example, I think one of his first videos about her, I could totally be wrong, but he was judging her muscle-ups and saying, hey, these muscle-ups don't lock out at the top. And being that she is a professional athlete and she wants to get from point A to point B and it's determined on these movements. I honor that one. Unfortunately, that one was not in my presence at Invictus. So I can't specifically speak on it. But either way, I could see from her perspective, it's an attack on her.

Yeah. Right. You know what I mean? It's like it's an attack on her for her goals to get from point A to point B. This guy is now inserting his narrative in the world we live in. You could give him a pass on that. The video was on the internet, but that is what he's doing.

She's trying to get. Let's also move the narrative in a slightly different direction. Now. I love the NBA. I love watching Steph and Kyrie and Paul George. All of these guys in some capacity are probably doing some sort of traveling, some sort of palming of the ball.

When you're at the top of the craft, there is a unique style. You are skirting the line a little bit. You're trying to maximize human potential in the midst of extreme intensity against the best in the world. And you should be, I think, I think that's what you should.

I mean, if you don't quite frankly, you and I both know this, you're just not going to fucking make it right. Right. Like your score. If you're so perfect on your reps, you're just not going to elicit a score that is competitive. Let's just be honest. And I mean, that's a huge issue as to when I look at the space, I talked to Fikowski about this and the PFAA type thought processes.

It's like being 6'4", 225 pounds, you when bryce hits lockout and when he doesn't it's really freaking obvious but case dependency on certain levers some people can hide that a little bit better there is an art to the lockout of a thruster the lockout of a muscle up the angle of the camera there's so many manipulations that can take place. And beside that being the point, what happened to the days of like, hey, we noticed this thing. Let's ask a question. Let's not just assume negative intent, bastardize the hell out of this individual, completely forget that they're a human being first.

Let's step on them. Let's squash them. Let's kick them out the door for our own personal gain okay i don't agree with that bryce let me tell you let me i want to put um moments to this so we agree on the first moment generally but but it's specific the part that you don't agree with is maybe the part that i don't agree with but this is what makes certain people unique in this way a lot of people say that she's cheating on purpose that makes me feel me sevan matosian feel very uncomfortable because i don't know that i don't know that i don't believe that i see if someone says hey her elbow is not locked out i can be like it is locked out and then they can freeze the frame and be like elbow is not locked out, I can be like, it is locked out, and then they can freeze the frame and be like, it's not locked out, and I can be like, oh, fuck, you're right. But the part that – I'm trying to understand what you're saying.

The part that you're saying where it's stomping on them and hurting them is when you're like, hey, dude, she's doing this on purpose. Like this guy William Leahy, there's people – I don't know him. I haven't watched any of his videos, but he tried to go to Rogue, and it's a big topic of conversation because people are saying this guy is so fucking fit, but he's a cheater. And it's like I think you've gone too far when you call him a cheater. Like I don't know – I don't know what the fuck is going on between his ears. Is that what you're saying? I'm trying to understand you. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Now you're drawing an analysis without saying, hey, hi, Danny.

This is Andrew. Did you do it on – can I find out if – did you do it on purpose? Are you a cheater? I think it deserves a healthy conversation for sure. But at the very least, if I were to provide a solution orientation, if we want to get credentials for most things, what do we do? We have to go to a testing center. I accept the fact that it makes me uncomfortable too, by the way. Yeah, totally. Yeah, okay. But did you hear what I said?

Sorry, about credentials. Something about we have to say it about credentials. Say it again. Sorry. With credentials, you typically have to go to like a testing center, right? So maybe, maybe that's the next iteration, right? Where like certain CrossFit affiliates have highly certified judges that then go to a testing center and they perform these workouts and these qualifiers at the center with certified judges where with it being so subjective, if a judge is allowing me to get away with it, I'm going to keep doing it. It's just the nature of sport. If I'm palming a basketball and the referee's not calling it, and I'm getting buckets all game, and I'm dropping 30 on another team and we're going to win, I'm going to keep doing it.

It's not that I'm purposefully trying to cheat. It's that I want to win and I'm a competitor. And I think that is something that gets misunderstood where it gets looked at like, no, this person is trying to win. They are a competitor in that moment. And if you're at a testing center though, it falls less onto the shoulders of the athlete and more on just holding the standard as a judge. Yeah. It's an interesting conversation because then you could also get even deeper. We saw it with Rich and Scott Pancheck back in the day where it was like.

Rich got away with a few things sometimes, dropping the bar behind him and things like that to get across the finish line. Or maybe I think at that time they hadn't made that rule yet, but like geniuses and high level performers like that, or even Michael Jordan, they got away with a lot more. I mean, they, they used to make jokes that, you know, MJ could make certain moves and do certain things that just other people couldn't get because there's a ton of scrutiny that comes with no repping a high-level athlete as well. So another great example, I've had trouble accepting that

until very recently. Whenever anyone would bring that up, Andrew or other people would bring that up, hey, the judges are fucking letting Annie do this because of who she is. I'd be like, are you fucking crazy? I think they're afraid of what's to come if they no-rep them. Like, the negativity that comes

with it, and you just have to be And I think it's unconscious. I think it's a lot of it. The only way I'm able to get my head wrapped around it is a lot of it's probably unconscious, too. Like, holy fuck, I'm out here judging Annie Thor's daughter yeah and i'm sorry i don't mean to pick you there's nothing i'm thinking specifically of annie i just chose her because she was a big name there's no like bad rep i'm thinking i don't mean to bring a really good point man and i mean i also

have to take go back to that original example judges are human too yeah right they're gonna have anxiety they're in front of a crowd too. There's definitely self-reflection of, is this the right posture? Is this the right angle? Is this how I was briefed? They're nervous as well. Am I keeping the right count? Are they in the right specific location? There's a lot of miscellaneous variables that are traveling through the headspace of the judge as well. It's not just monotonous, but at the very least, man, I think these conversations are fun. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong or I didn't get it wrong. I just think I don't like the personal attack on the human being.

And I wish that he could soften that approach at the very least, not just for the athletes, but for his future self in 20 years, who's not going to like the fact that he put harm on other individuals. By harm, what do you mean by harm? He's using verbiage and assumption to grow his views while speculating the intent of certain athletes in pursuit of maximizing their potential suggested t is on steroids sponsor drops her she loses money and that harms her potentially it also affects her reputation now that word when you put it into google i mean let's go back. You mentioned you're good friends with Glassman.

When I worked at the university, the word CrossFit was immediately categorized as, oh, that's dangerous. Because when you put it into Google, you saw pukey, you saw bloody hands. It had a predetermined narrative. And I always went about, no, it's not like that it's this awesome community it's constantly varied high intensity functional movement and i'm sitting there like trying to create buy-in but the bottom line is when you google tia claire to me now there's going to be an association with performance enhancing drugs and that's not fair to her reputation.

Through, through, uh, yeah, that word fair. I wish that we could use a different word besides fair. Let me, let me ask you this. Um, are you friends with Danny? Oh yeah. I'm friends with almost all the athletes that I get to connect with and have on the podcast. By the way, I just typed in Tia's name, and the word steroids didn't come up afterwards. Oh, let me type in Tia's name. I'm sure it's not going to be at the top, right? But it's probably going to be intern mix now because of that video. It's at least in the internet ethos. Well, if you type in Tia's name, Hiller's name does pop up, the very first one.

Yeah. Yeah, okay. So since she's also your friend, when someone says something about her that you either think is not true or that is hurtful towards her, you don't like it. I mean, I would take my personal bias out of it. I mean, I would say that if it was anybody else in the CrossFit space as well. Yeah. Right. I think it's a humble reach to elicit personal gain. And I definitely think there's a better way to do it. And you talked about the slow growth of podcast and YouTube and all those things. I would rather do things the right way that I don't have to look over my shoulder or hurt other people, even if it's slow and doesn't lead to enhanced monetary gain, because I choose to be an honorable

person. Not everybody in the world deserves honor, but I think going back to character, if you choose to be an honorable person, you're leaving the world a better place than the way you found it. And I think that should be all of our missions as we're in this media space and this connection storytelling space. If we do that, man, everybody's tide rises. He has told me, and I've seen him walk the walk, which is pretty fucking amazing, that he will never do anything

that he's not willing to say to a person's face. And so there are people, another relationship that he has that makes me very uncomfortable is with the master's athlete what's his name um his daughter goes to invictus or used to go to invictus who's the great master's athlete 60 years old been to the games fucking three gazillion times long hair is it kevin kester no um someone will tell me his name i like the guy he does i think he's a stud by the way i think this guy lives in malibu uh and he's an invictus athlete hip and steel hip and steel oh yeah he doesn't live in malibu but uh

yeah i went to i went to the games in 2016 with his daughter heather yeah heather great lady so hillar's relationship with him makes me very uncomfortable yeah i i did another one that i did not i did not like how that went down either but that looked tough i know uh i know dave was a little upset by it i didn't see all the specificity associated with that but in my humble uh time spent with dave he does have some biomechanical issues where he can't lock out his elbows i don't know what hillar got on him about um but that is a humble gray area within the crossfit space you and i both know this the judges typically do an assessment hey show me your lockout position and you show them and that may look different than other athletes and may seem potentially controversial based on certain injury history and biomechanical limitations.

My point was is also though, that just that when, then when he saw Mr. Hibbensteel at the games, he didn't avoid them. And so Hiller has this thing where like, Hey, if I'm going to say something about you,

I'm also willing to say it to your face. Yeah. And so he, he, that was just what triggered me to share that with you is just that he doesn't feel like he has to he he beats to a different drummer he's gonna be super successful he's not normal i'm super successful people aren't normal i don't think um i'm just trying to paint the the the picture of him yeah totally i mean i I mean, I honor all of those people. Would you have him on your show? Would you have him on your show? Yeah, totally.

I think it'd be fun to explore. But I also think like people can have good characteristics and bad ones. They can just be different. They also don't even have to be labeled good or bad. I definitely see how he beats to a different drum. He goes against the grain. He does things that are different. And in the beginning, I thought it was cool because I thought he was holding the standard of guidelines and the rules and regulations of the professionality of the sport. But it's almost like the addictive personality set in and he got so much success so

fast that it steered him in a little bit more of a unhealthy, controversial direction that started to negatively impact the space. But because negativity is typically louder than positivity, you get rewarded with views. Now we've talked about him on the Savant podcast. That's going to get bright eyed and bushy tail for someone that is craving that level of validation. And so I think that everybody has this song inside. I think he could be very successful one day. He probably has a lot of amazing attributes, but I think he he could be very successful one day he probably has a lot of

amazing attributes but i think he can do them better to positively impact the space and its growth as opposed to uh you know coming in a bit volatile he made these two videos um like i'm kind of making this up but the spirit of what i'm saying is true the The five things he liked about the CrossFit Games, and it got 20,000 views. Then he made the five things he hated about the CrossFit Games, and it got 50,000 views. Me and him were talking about that. Yeah, people want to see... The CrossFit Games were the greatest experience of my life. Wow, CrossFit Games were a train wreck.

You label two videos like that, and you're right. The one that's like CrossFit Games was a train wreck will get double the amount of views. People are drawn to the, you know what I mean? The 10-inch penis gets more attention than the 5-inch penis. I don't know how I jumped. I guess it's 5-inch penis and a 10-inch penis. You're basically saying size matters. I apologize.

That was a bad correlate. I just didn't feel like i had enough penis metaphors in the show yet uh tell me about glassman dude what's what's he like obviously creative genius you know we're talking about positive and negative character and attributes and reputation i've never met him personally before. I've heard really good things. I've heard challenging things too. You've got some history with him. What's the story there? In the easiest way, he's a mix of Tupac, Hemingway, and Einstein. He is very aggressive, very intelligent, and he's also extremely funny. He's extremely funny. So I have him on my shows every Tuesday now.

I haven't got the funny side out of him yet. But last night I went out to dinner with him and Dave and all sorts of funny shit being said. Just hilarious. And the reason why is because he's a wordsmith, so he says a lot of funny shit being said. Just hilarious. And the reason why is because he's a wordsmith, so he says a lot of funny shit, shit that maybe he doesn't even know is funny, but then when he comes out of his mouth, it's funny, right?

He juxtaposes a lot of words together that other people wouldn't dare try to do. Yeah. And he comes up with... A little bit of a creative genius. Is he going to be okay following this episode? That's a tough act to follow. Tough, tough. He's a tough act to follow tough tough um he's he's he's a great guy

he's he's extremely aggressive um uh he although he's he's he's mellowed out quite a bit since he sold the company um people don't realize that when he was kicked out of 20 gyms or whatever because he told people to eat low carb. He doesn't realize that he was in an era where the deadlift was dangerous, that he was fired from jobs for telling people to squat below parallel. He was a true fucking renegade. Yeah. And he wanted the fight and he was willing to fight like fist fight in the

parking lot. I'm not talking about just like metaphorically or intellectually fight. He was willing to do that too. Right. Yeah. He, he, he was invited to the pentagon and he got the papers that they were going to show him before the meeting and he saw that someone had completely plagiarized his shit without telling him i'm giving the cliff notes of the story and he fucking yelled at a room full of fucking super

high level fucking pentagon officials and told them and basically told them all at some point i'll see you all in court and he ended up he ended up get fucking all those people when the nsca made that paper that said crossfit injured people yeah and he was able to uncover all that and so he is up for a he's he's he's really singularly focused on the truth. He really believes in the pursuit of the truth. Isn't it fun when there's all kinds of – Which makes them very free and very dangerous. Yeah, totally. People who are in pursuit of the truth can be very dangerous to other people around them.

Yeah, I definitely align with that for sure. It's just interesting, right? I try to hold people to the standard of what I know when I interact with them for the most part. And Glassman, man, he's got some genius phrases out there. The company that he's created is very cool. He just put his stake in and he's held it. And despite all the challenges that have come with his narrative, there's a lot of good that should be highlighted as well. And sometimes I think people forget, hey, we're all involved in this sport now and in this industry and in this space. It's not just CrossFit. It's the branches that have come from CrossFit, the media, the brands, the friendships, the marriages, the kids,

all the things that have been ripple effects from something that was pretty cool. And that's – shout out to him. I'd love to have him on the show too and kind of pick his brain. It's crazy that people would take something, twist it one way and then another way and twist it another way here basically take something that they have no idea whether it's true or not and hold it against someone make up a complete horseshit bullshit story about someone maybe it's even 100 wrong and yet throw that out with the fact that, hey, this guy has something that can prevent chronic disease, everything from cancer to any heart disease that he's brought to the world to gift you and all your future generations to come. Talk about inspiring the next generation, man. Yeah, and I just – but we live in this era

it's the same with the defund the police movement there was this movement to defund the police because police were bad to black people and in the end within a year there was a 34% increase in black homicide and I attributed directly to the fact that

we're going to defend they got rid of the bad guy with no plan right the cops i use bad guy in quote i don't really believe that and it's like that's what that's exactly what how glassman was treated too it's it's it's mind i'll give you this as a unique uh an unique story and then i'll bring it back yeah please um i have this one client that comes in a little bit later and there's a good amount of time from when I train to when I see him. And there was a day where I trained a little bit later and he came in jokingly. He's like, oh, you do actually work out

like jokingly, a little bit patronizing, but also like slightly serious. Yeah. And pretty obvious by your body that you work out? I mean, you have a pretty insane body. Only on Mondays. I told you this, man. All right, all right, all right. But what's funny about that is the human mind is conditioned to think, I'm only going to process and take in what I see.

So if the narrative that is portrayed around the police is negative, it's what's shown on video documentation. Those videos go viral. They're shared all over social. It does end up skewing the mind and human psychology a little bit. But what's unfortunate is when you look at percentage ratios, all the good is not always documented. It's expected. Right. And that's the challenge,

right? Like everything, like you, you look at a job and it's like, you could do 85 things right. And one thing wrong. And obviously case dependent on the severity of what you did, like you could be let go. And it's like, in this particular instance, there's a lot of really good behind the scenes that I'm sure Glassman was a part of. I'm sure there was negative stuff too that maybe I know, maybe I don't know. But at the end of the day, what was shown in the public eye possessed a level of severity that led to some very challenging decisions that had to be made. But with that being said, challenging decisions that had to be made. But with that being said, I do think it's important to highlight that we're still all doing this because he started it and he had the bravery to get people to squat below parallel and challenge traditional healthcare narratives.

Atkins was probably the first group that talked about low carb, high fat. Then we started seeing research within keto. Like in some ways, he's a trailblazer that elicited conversations in the deep, dark corners that nobody was talking about. The 365 million traffic stops that are done a year and 12 unarmed black men died. I mean that – it's just fucking nuts. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It's what's in the media, very little context, very little trust on people's own discernment, people outsourcing their discernment. Yeah, it sucks. And so once again, going back to that thing, and this is the part I struggle with, there's people who think that this is being done by a sentient being, that it's

all purposely being done. So you've heard this narrative, divide and conquer. This is all part of the divide and conquer. And I have trouble wrapping my head around that. I have so much trouble wrapping my head. But I'm glad those people do think like that i want i want them here you know what i mean because we we need that type of stuff like if you and i are sitting here and we agree on everything yeah that's a that's a pretty boring fucking conversation and it shows that there's no human experience on either side or that we were like lab rats that literally did the X's and O's exactly the same from birth until now. We're all going to possess different lenses on the world. There's different

experiences that lead to us reacting and behaving a certain way. And I'll share this quick tangent. My buddy's the founder of Trident Coffee. And I asked him, hey, why did you create this thing? And he was in Afghanistan and he was sitting down having a cup of coffee and there was an Afghani soldier. And he said, Hey, what is your role? What is your goal here? And he goes, well, I'm just trying to protect my family. And he asked the same question back. He said, what's your role? What's your goal here? And he goes, well, I'm just trying to protect my family. They're doing the same thing. But if you look at a six and a nine,

you and I are going to see two different things. And I think having that level of understanding to try to empathize and understand why people are doing what they're trying to do. You and I are basically back and forth playing ping pong right now verbally, and you're trying to hit to me and I'm trying to hit to you. Inevitably, we're doing the same thing. And I think that level of to hit to you, inevitably we're doing the same thing. And I think that level of compassion and understanding makes it where we're not controversial figures. We're just competitors trying to succeed at life. I want to come back to that competitor thing.

Along that exact, I can't believe you took it here. It was perfect about seeing different things. This is another thing about CrossFit that people really, really really really don't understand we're on the greenpeace boat and greg has pulled the boat up alongside the japanese whale boat to fucking destroy them 51 of the passengers on our greenpeace boat, this is the CrossFit community, think we're on a whale-watching expedition. They don't even fucking know that we're fucking activists. They think we're on, they're looking at the byproduct.

They're not even looking at the mission, the cause, the effort, what's driving. They think, some other people think we're on a fishing expedition. Some people just think we're sunbathing on the boat yeah there's so many fucking people on the boat who have no fucking clue what the fuck and and by the way this is touching something that's the that's what that's the problem with cross right now there can't there's no captain no one knows no one knows because this motherfucker was supposed to pull up next to whaling ships and sink them yeah this wasn't a community this wasn't a uh those were byproducts of it this wasn't a you know you know it had morphed into a fucking activist we were fucking

like fighting bucking the system we were like i mean imagine if greg would have kept the company and just put both middle fingers up to pfizer as we rode through the pandemic in the u.s government and we made it out to the other side can you imagine how strong this brand would be right now yeah holy it's a really gangster as shit yeah it's a really interesting speculation for sure yeah but i'll also humbly say this i actually those other things are bad the community and all that i like all that but it's a byproduct of this we can't have everyone picking avocados someone's got to take care of the tree yeah no i definitely align with that there needs to be better leadership for sure but i'll also say this one of the genius things that glassman did is he diminished the level of specificity in his definition of CrossFit.

And I used the humble example with you earlier of like trying to learn from lots of different people, take all of those ingredients, put them into a blender to elicit a digestible smoothie. In theory, that's what CrossFit is. It has yoga principles. It has gymnastics principles. It has cardiovascular principles. It has weightlifting. It has gymnastics principles. It has cardiovascular principles. It has weightlifting. It has powerlifting. And so what's interesting is diminishing the level of specificity makes it recess. At recess, sometimes you play basketball. Sometimes you play in the sandbox. Sometimes you're playing four square. You're interacting with people. So inevitably there's going to be a community. Where the problem lies is when somebody is like, I like doing that better than I like doing that.

So I'm only going to do that and that's better. And then I develop an elitist mindset that creates divide. And I think if we think of it in that term, everybody's trying to say and do the same thing. They're just saying it differently and and they quite frankly enjoy understand and articulate about specificity better than you know the broad and inclusivity that glassman brought um uh trish says that um do you have do you have an active l1 are you did you take i assume you have your l1 yeah yeah i did i did my uh l1 i actually did the l2 twice um and then uh i've actually i think i've done almost special every specialty certification associated with uh with crossfit wow i've learned a lot i've been i've been around a lot of people way smarter than me man and so just collecting that information as we go.

Yeah, man. I went to K-Star's thing. I learned from Mark Bell and those guys at the powerlifting seminar. I've spent some time with Coach B doing the weightlifting thing. And then also outside of CrossFit, done some stuff with Mike Boyle. I've learned from him. I'm a big fan of dan john the guy that always talks about all the carries uh he's got a great book by the way never let go

that's a fun one that i think a lot of people would enjoy i've heard that name that guy's old school is shit right yeah stewart mcgill's the big back specialist um spent some good time with dr aaron horshig from Squat University. Learned a lot from that guy. He's got some great knowledge. Chatted with Ben Patrick a little bit, the knees over toes guy. I'm just a big fan. There's a lot of people putting out good stuff, man. And I'm just curious. Do you have him on your show, Ben Patrick? I haven't had him on yet. I really want to. And we've chatted a little bit back and forth and I implement a ton of his stuff. The backward sled drags, the knees over toe, like lunge type stuff. He's got some really cool things. The tibialis raises. All those things are great to help people with knee pain and jumping athletes that want to play volleyball or be weekend warriors. ball or be weekend warriors uh cave dastro why didn't sebi bring up trisha's first super chat and that's one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven question marks it's very

inquisitive of you um i i just scrolled all the way back uh and i and i didn't um i didn't see it do you do you have toe spacers? I do. They're awesome. Yeah, they are awesome. Someone the other day in the YouTube, YouTube comment said to me, they said, man, it takes him on forever to put on his socks.

Cause sometimes I put them on during the show. Yeah, dude, I'm not putting on my socks. I'm putting on my, do you ever smell your toe spacers? I don't. Not there yet.

They're cool though. Cause in basketball, man, I had to get my ankles taped like all the time. And, um, I feel like shoes are subtly like casts. So being able to have the ability to start spreading the toes a little bit, when I was in college, I battled plantar fasciitis. And so I picked up my, like part of the rehab was picking up marbles with my toes and then putting them into a bucket and like doing towel grabs, just trying to get more dexterous with the toes.

bucket and like doing towel grabs, just trying to get more dexterous with the toes. And so when I saw that toe spacers kind of created a product to elicit education and notoriety around that, I was like, you know what? This is really cool. The foot is the foundation to everything that we do and pineal fasciitis sucks. And with double unders and jump rope and running and change of direction now with shuttle runs and certain things that we see in the sport. I was like, you know what? I'm on board with this. That's a cool thing that they brought to the market. Steve Whitney, is this guy Mormon?

No. No. But in college, we played BYU, man. And that was a fun place to play. Played against Jimmer Ferdet. He led the country in scoring my freshman year of college uh clock oh maybe that's why i've heard of dan john is he a hater of crossfit clock says dan just recently took another dump on crossfit dudes a football player and thrower has no concept of

real work capacity i i've heard that name in the past is he a hater um i don't know i definitely think he has more of like a strength and conditioning bias. I don't know if he has a football background. I know he was a thrower for sure. Um, his version of strength and conditioning is very much old school, but I heard this from an incredible friend of mine, Heidi Barker, who's a great healer. She said, take what you need and leave the rest. And so if somebody hates on CrossFit, I don't really care. I'm just like, he, he populizes carries. And like when Sam dancers in town, like he loves doing front rack, carry overhead, carry waiters, carry suitcase, carry farmer, carry doesn't beat up the joints elicits an awesome amount of capacity and it's safe. And so he's got some cool principles that

we've, uh, borrowed and stolen and, and they really help us in our journey. Hey, just to be clear, when I was saying that about the leadership, I don't have any direct – I wasn't poo-pooing the leadership. I was basically just saying that the boat's out at sea, and it's going to be – the company was owned by one guy. And if those people, if you weren't around him, you don't really probably know what this company really was. So like, if someone was all the people in the back of the boat were never like,

everyone was happy to think that they were the, um, the boat crossword boat was taking them where they wanted to go, which is fine. But if you weren't around Glassman, you, or you weren't paying like really close attention, you probably don't even know where the fucking boat's going.

And when he sold the company, and anyone can go back and watch his videos and find out, but when he sold the company, his goal was never to make money. Like that was never, I never in the 15 years, and I lived with him for three years, and I talked to him every single day for 15 years. He was never like, hey, how, I've never heard him once talk about making money never once and so i also i also don't fault somebody for wanting to make money no not at all i agree he may have had a bigger mission bigger purpose um and i totally aligned like i don't think that's a knock on dawn fall or the current leadership right yeah i just think like there's been so much volatility and change. The season's changed,

the venue's changed. There's just so much cluster right now that I think when you look at what happened during the pandemic, it was FUD, fear, uncertainty, and doubt. And I think that's some of what we see in the CrossFit space is just so many changes that without a solid foundation, it feels like we're juggling too many lacrosse balls all at the same time. And there's not a sense of stability that elicits forward momentum. There's a gumball machine at this – well, the restaurant is closed now. But there was a gumball machine at this well the restaurant's closed now but there was a gumball machine at this restaurant and it didn't have gumballs

in it it had rubber bouncy balls in it nice and my kids like going to this restaurant because every time we went there I'd give them a quarter and they could get a rubber bouncy ball but there was no fucking way that that was going to sustain the business in any way and if the person who bought the business were to overinvest in the rubber bouncy balls,

they would go out of business. Yeah. I track that. So that's kind of what I'm saying. And I don't knock anyone for wanting to make money either. Having money is dope. Fuck. Money is great.

So fun. So fun having a big old fat wad of cash. Go to the arcade. Just be like, yeah. Play the dollar. I play the dollar games for hours on end there you go yeah hey in your uh in your podcast journey man what's uh what's been the number one thing that stands out to you and your journey connecting with all these different people within the space and how long you've been doing it for man i don't know what the number one um i've basically been asking people questions on camera for over 20 years my my favorite thing is now that i finally have my own thing and it

was really hard for me to call this podcast, the Sevan podcast. I hated that thought of it. And now I love it. I hated the thought of it being all mine. I always was like, share, share, share, share. Do this. Bring this person along. Do this.

And finally, I reached a point where like, I'm not doing that. I'm just looking out for fucking me with this. And the coolest thing is, is that I get to be and I always wanted to be a stand up comedian when I was a little kid. I always wanted to be Richard Pryor, Rodney Dangerfield, or Abbott and Costello. I loved comedy. So I get to do that. And then this is going back to the very first thing we talked about on this podcast. This isn't why I do the podcast, but my number one goal on the podcast, and I think my mom kind of taught me this.

My mom kind of taught me this. This podcast is my house. And I want people to, when they leave my house, to leave. I don't want it to be a negative experience for them at all. I was, I love elevating people. I, I believe in fucking people. I want to believe in people. I want to,

I, I, I want to see, I see the good in people. It's not even that I want to, I do like, I see people to me are like just jolly ranchers just waiting to be opened up and sucked on.

You know what I mean? Like they're so great. I love people. And so I just, so yeah, my, my, my thing is, is that I'm able to just do that day in and day out. Try a joke. That's like, Ooh, I don't know if I should be telling this joke.

This is too dirty or too nasty, but also like let people know, like, dude, you're the shit. You're the fucking shit. You know? It's cool, man. I like here. I like here on the Y makes sense. Hey, thanks for coming on. That was a, two and a half hours. I appreciate you, man. I feel like I blinked and we got there. That was a fun chat, man. Thanks for connecting. Thanks for making this happen.

You're so easy. You're always welcome to come back on, shoot the shit, any topic. Um, yeah, good, good, good to finally meet you. I appreciate you, uh, running into it, the games and you being so cool and just easy. I appreciate it. Even with, even with my snarky, he's an AI. I don't believe he's real. Maybe you'll believe I'm real now. I definitely believe you're real. You're like four people in one. All right, brother. Have a good day. You too, dude. Talk to you soon. Bye-bye. Okay, bye. I saw... This can't be really Taylor, is it? This cannot really be Taylor.

Man, why all the hostility? Jeez Louise. I'm not headed... No, I'm not headed to the skate Louise. I'm not headed. No, I'm not headed to the skate park. I'm chilling for a second. I'm going to go party at Greg's house though. I'm taking my kids over there in just a minute. What happened?

What got you guys all fucking all wound up in a fucking frenzy? Want me to talk about that picture i sent in the group text yeah sure what yeah go ahead let me see if this is really taylor yeah to do it i dare you um what did you say trish how can you hang with a harm doer like Greg oh I okay I tried to alright okay I hear you I hear you Trish I see okay fine fine alright

I respect that I respect it I see what you guys are saying okay I tried to ground a lot of things I respect that. I respect it. I see what you guys are saying. Okay. I tried to ground a lot of things in this conversation. I hope I get some points for that. Someone sent me 99 cents or something. I tried to ground a lot of things. Oh, shit.

I tucked my dick and balls between my legs and sent you all a pic of it. How have you had this much time to watch this show? You're usually so hard to get a hold of. What are you doing even watching the show? Why did you guys get so wound up by him? Yeah, there were some things. I felt like I was trying to ground this thing on – he's a big picture guy. He wants to stay. He,

uh, Bryce wants to stay big picture. I tried to, there were lots of things he said that I didn't understand that I needed to like be brought down to like, I don't know, brought down to earth or like, um,

I need examples, but I thought he was great. He's a great conversationalist. I just need lots of things grounded. And there were tons of things that he said that I didn't have time to ground and I think that's what you're saying Trish right oh that fucking I think this hurts

a little bit Sevan put on a great performance fuck not exactly what I wanted to hear two and a half hours jeez louise that guy's done a lot of shit man that guy has done a lot of shit man that guy has done a lot of stuff i wonder if i wonder how my show notes are going they're transferring over when i was driving back yesterday with um with uh dave we were in sacramento and we drove all the way back to Santa Cruz. It's like

three hours, two hours and 50 minutes or something. And he's a huge Miami Dolphins fan. So he's got the radio at full fucking blast and we're listening to the Miami versus fuck if I know. And the commentator was so fucking horrible.

It was pathetic. It's pathetic. These guys had a show on SiriusXM and they were so bad. Hey, Patrick, remember how we were talking about Laura Sanko? Laura Sanko's amazing, amazing compared to these ding-dongs that commentate the Miami game.

There was a guy kicks a field goal, right? And the commentator goes like this. He's like, they're going to go for a field goal. It's good. It hit the post, but it's good. It's good. I'm like, you fucking idiot.

I don't know shit about football, and that's not how you tell a story. It's like, they're going to go for a field goal. Three points. It's the snap snap it's a clean snap the ball's put down the the holder spins the ball the the threads aren't lined up perfectly jonah whatever the fucking kicker's name is kicks it it's up it's up it's up it doesn't look like it's gonna make it it doesn't look like it's gonna make it it hits the post and it's in it's good not it's in he didn't even say that they're lined up he didn't say that there was a snap he's like it's good it hit the post what a waste of a fucking opportunity oh laces out whatever yeah point Yeah, point that out. You know what I mean? Like, say some shit, dude.

And then what a great opportunity. The ball hits the post and then goes in. You got to time that out. It's a 51-yard field goal attempt, the second longest of the year. He kicks it. A beautiful kick. Kicker goes down. The ball's up. The second longest of the year. He kicks it. A beautiful kick. Kicker goes down. The ball's up. The ball's up.

It's not tracking. It's not tracking. The fuck? It just tell me it fucking went in and then tell me it hit the post afterwards. I don't give a fuck if it hit the post afterwards i need to know it hit the post first so like i'm on the edge of my seat oh shit it hit the post oh yeah he hated it he hated me he hated me being in the car he just kept looking at me like i was a fucking like wanted me to shut up. He had the volume so loud

I was yelling at him like are you fucking deaf? Seriously, I turned the volume down in that car yesterday 40 times and he turned it up 41 times Yeah, it doesn't matter I I hear you I thought of that too, but you just drag it out You learn to talk faster and you drag it out. You were like, you stayed two seconds behind the action. God, it was fucking pathetic. There was, it was just so shitty. And, and, and Dave got a brand new car. Oh, here's another thing too. So, so at one point I'm like, man, what the fuck is going on in here with this audio so i hit the sound button on his screen it's a beautiful truck it's a brand

new f-350 is that a truck it's a big massive truck massive and he's like what are you doing i'm like i'm looking at your audio settings like it's fucking sounds horrible in here and i look and he has the treble and the mid turned down almost all the way in the bass all the way up i'm like what the fuck is this the default cholo setting just all bass it's like i like it like that i'm like dude i i can't even understand what the fucking people are saying we're not listening to um uh uh crisscross or um or uh what's that um i wanna get high so who sings that song so high it's like dude we're listening to the football game

i fucking lowered down the uh i lowered down the I lowered down the base and I raised the treble in the mid I love base fuck I love base but crying out loud it's a fucking football game Seve does Dave make over or under 1 million a year

Dave owns 60 acres Does Dave make over or under $1 million a year? Dave owns 60 acres that sits directly on the 101. In between, I mean, someone eventually in his family is going to be rich as fuck. I don't know when it's going to happen, but eventually Silicon Valley's got to go that way. And when it does, I mean, sitting on one of the fucking biggest fucking corridors in the world, like in terms of goods moving up and down, like foods and people and just like it's a crazy it's a crazy spot it would be a great place for uh the hell's angels to stop and do meth exchanges oh um patrick clark uh when are you bringing devin kim back on seve she said it was great seeing you and dave yesterday yeah oh Oh, Cypress Hill, yeah.

He's not listening to fucking Cypress Hill. It's a fucking football game. I'd love to have her on. I love her. I fucking love her. She's so cool. She's great. Probably hugged her like five times yesterday.

She's dope. I cannot imagine having that much poise at her age. I'd be like, get away from me, you fucking disgusting old people. She's so cool. I feel alive around her. She's cool shit. You know why she's like that too? Because she got cool parents.

Her parents are, she got loving parents. And she's loving. Okay, that was my bit on the miami um oh okay you guys watched the um ufc fight the other night it's interesting um uh manel cape that's a fighter i wonder if i can find the clip um manel cape faggot let me see if we can find that he called uh is this it view spoiler oh no this isn't uh jake shields uh austral Australian crowd was chanting bullshit after. Oh, they call second homophobic slur. I don't think it.

I think it's too harsh to call it homophobic. Let me see if I can find it. If I can play it for you guys. OK, here we go. Here we go. OK, so this guy, This guy was just in a fight By the way, this is why I don't use the word gay or faggot on this show Ever

Ever, ever, ever, never Never Because, in my opinion The word I don't know this for certain But in my mind, gay is just like You like the same genitalia So if I were to say to someone like hey you're gay

that would mean like if someone if i told you guys hey i'm gay then you would know like that i'm gonna go blow dave after the show right or he's gonna blow me right so we're gay and then but if you use something like um um there's a song and i go that song is gay then i then you're using a derogatory way and i don't like that. Because then the implication, explicit implication, it's not the implication, it's explicit. And the fact that something's wrong with being gay. And I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay. Right?

So I don't use it like that. It's the reason why I'm okay with the word retard. Because it's specific. It's like, yeah, that is retarded. It's like slow or it's broken or it's not working properly like i like it just is it is that way but but i don't but i don't like the word gay used like that because i just you're you're trying to draw a parallel you're putting gay people down when they don't need to be put down how did they get drug into it they didn't do nothing anyway but the word faggot is like a direct word like hey not that just cuts through the chase right that is just fucking explicit that's that something that i that i think that you

like the same genitalia and there's something wrong with it you get what i'm saying oh look clock uh seven will never completely transcend his libtard conditioning but that's okay well thank you for accepting me i'm not sure exactly what you mean but i'm open to it i know okay so this guy right here this guy right here is pissed because this other fighter pulled out of the fight and this is is what he says to him. You know why? All your teammates is a bunch of faggots. I'm going to fight you next. I'm going to fight you next. And if you refuse again to fight me or pull out two weeks of the fight, I'm going to your city.

I'm going to your academy. I'm going to spar you there. I'm going to fucking spar you there. Hey, hey, listen. And then Daniel Cormier pulls it away. God. And then I just... And then this thing says a second homophobic slur drop drop during UFC's post fight interview. What is with Manel Cape? I wonder what homophobic means. Homophobic. Having or showing a dislike or prejudice against gay people.

gay people i i think that the implication is what he's saying is is like um uh the gay people for some reason aren't good fighters and that if you're gay you're pussy and that so he called him a faggot basically saying all the guys are pussies he's a fucking fighter he's in the ring it was just after the fight yeah i don't know i'm i i i'm i'm giving him a i'm giving him i don't hate him i can't hate him for that i'm giving him a pass like if he would have said it's like it's it's not good don't get me wrong don't get me uh uh wrong it's not good it's just that he just finished a fight he's in there he's all fucking wound up I mean for all I know that guy's fucking gay what if we found out that guy's gay do gay people even use that word can you use that word

if you're gay someone else called the Aussie crowd a bunch of faggots in the yeah I saw someone else called the Aussie crowd a bunch of faggots in the, in the, in the, um, yeah, I saw, I saw Lauren's, uh, retard post for, I, I, I went in there and fought with people. I was having a blast in there last night. I found it crazy. Cause my son wants to be Mr. T for fucking Halloween. Like fuck you and your blackface shit and trying to fucking make that that continuing it's the continuous beat down demanding that people be offended it's just that continuous it's like leave it alone one guy's in there's one imagine this one guy in there

has a fucking disabled daughter and he wants to make sure that that word like if i had a disabled daughter the last thing i would want is that that were like if i had a disabled daughter the last thing i would want is that word to be offensive i would set the word free hey no it's okay call anyone you want a retard who cares who gives a fuck same thing if i was a black person i would set all the words free if i'm a jew i'm not letting my kids ever be offended by the word kike there's no fucking way why would i strap them with that? It's fucking insanity. That's not love. That's not setting someone free.

Set people fucking free for fuck's sake. Costas Anton, 50 euros. That's awesome. A whale boat, 51% analogy said it all. Thank you so much. I was so proud of that. God, and that didn't land with him, but I was so proud of that god and then and he did that didn't land with him but i was so proud of the rest was good diplomatic conversation also great asking if he's open

to hillary going on his show i i um yeah it's it the to titties you think titties as a little boy or to feed you for sustenance in life and as you get older it's something completely else different and dude it's there are literally people on the boat who are looking at titties as feeding and other people look at the boat as a some sort of a sexual foreplay pleasure it's that off imagine the difference breastfeeding off your mom or fucking holding on to your wife's tits for dear life as you put it to her it's like it's that different on what's going on the understanding of what crossfit is i appreciate you appreciating that uh costas anton yeah it's it's it's wild i watched the atrix the atrix i watched the matrix like probably a year ago i got it it's pretty good i like it yeah here's the thing pool boy i would love it that lauren was able to make fun of

herself i know hey what she did was retarded what she did was retarded. What she did was retarded. That's the thing. People and I want to be like people are like, you still have time to take this down. I'm like, God, you're a fucking bully. God, you're such a fucking asshole. You're you're not willing to give up anything do you know what I mean by give up anything like why not say just admit why it hurts you it's so hard for me to accept that word retard because someone called me a retard

because my daughter has down syndrome and when people call her a retard at school it really hurts her feelings. Okay, well, explain to her that it's not a bad word. It just is what it is. Read to her the definition. Don't demand that she be offended by it. Set her free.

Give her some wisdom. It's almost like none of those people have any wisdom. How do those people ever have fun if they're constantly like vulnerable to that kind of fucking attack i don't get it your life must suck you ever you ever been around those guys who like or like concerned that other guys might be hitting on them or like upset that some guy grabbed their ass or something it's like dude you're a fucking guy. Who gives a fuck? So what if guys I did?

Well, it's the fucking biggest compliment ever. Like, hey, hi. Hey. Other I was just in the middle of my podcast. Other dudes hitting on you. It's like, all right. I'll take it. Hey, what?

Yeah, I want it. What are you doing? I'd come over right now. Okay. Oh, good. Mine are too. Good. Okay.

I love it. Okay. I'm going to hang up, put my shoes on. No, I haven't eaten. I'll do anything. You want to go to Spur or something? Okay. I love that. it's all good okay okay i'll call you in five minutes anyway let me say bye to my friends okay bye can you guys hear that conversation

no I'm I think we're going to Gales instead we're not going to Spur yeah I fell Hollywood when I do that I feel I feel like I'm a little cooler than you guys like look I'm on the phone with Craig yeah look at me yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah totally

yeah yeah I. I'm not going to lie. I do. We heard your end. You heard my tail end. All right. Anyway, I was trying to, I wanted to be nicer to the people in Lauren's comments. I wanted to, but I just, I wish I had been nicer to nicer to him actually I woke up this morning thinking I wish I could have explained it a little differently dude Eric did I see you yesterday how come did you say hey it's me Eric we met at the ranch how come I can't fucking remember seeing you oh yeah dude you're cool as shit dude by the way you're so cool you're so you're way more chill than i imagined you have good you have great energy i loved i

loved uh i love seeing you that was cool i met so many fucking nice dudes back there. Nice ladies. Athletes are great. You were my last hug. Oh, was I just leaving with Dave? Was I just running out? Fuck. I wish you would have said, hey, it's me, Eric. Asshole. All right. Poor boy is

so cool just Just ask him. He really is cool. He was very sweet. He's cool as shit. And I know he must be cool because I saw Dave gravitate towards him. Dave will not gravitate towards someone unless he thinks they're easy. All right, guys. I'll see you tomorrow.

Greg will be on the show. Thanks for everything. Sorry about I didn't do a show yesterday. Really appreciate Athena's patience. Just had a bunch of shit transpire. I ended up, Greg came to town. I ended up going to that competition. Then I went out to dinner with a bunch of people.

I am excited to have Athena on. She'll either be on Wednesday or Thursday. We have Amanda Barnhart, who I'm super excited about having on this week. I'll talk to you guys soon. Love you guys. Bye-bye.