The Sevan Podcast - Charlie Lawrence | 100 Mile World Record

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

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cool was it when that guest I had in the other day and he's like damn this coffee's strong. I was like yeah I didn't even pay you to say that what's up, dude How we doing Charlie Lawrence in the house? dude, I watched your five-part series with Some art is it are a are a nutrition raw right here. Yeah. Oh, there it is raw nutrition, dude That was dope. Yeah. Oh, there it is. Raw nutrition. Dude, that was dope. Yeah. Thank you, man. They, uh, that was honestly all their idea. Like my buddy Kenny, he does a lot of my content, but, um, like, Hey, like, let's go capture. You got a good chance of winning San

Francisco. I was telling him I was going to win San Francisco. So they, uh, yeah. Food Kenny out kind of did a little series on it. That was, that was great. I mean, it was all, all Kenny. He was the one that was like editing, turning around, shooting it. I just had to run, so my job was easy. Yeah. A five-part series shows the entire training up to the win of the San Francisco City Marathon. Also shows that really that marathon is just a training piece for you, not even a race, which is a trip. We'll get into that, the freak the freak that you are hey how hard is it to You seem like a guy by the way. I missed you dude. I really like having you on I'm really happy back on I was like I hate nighttime shows, and I'm like fuck this dude's so cool. I was like excited

No, I spent it what seven months. I think no wait No eight months. Yeah at least because I think it was uh, like December Yeah, you're a cool dude. I forgot how I knew you were a cool dude I was excited to have you but then I watched that raw nutrition like dang. He's cool Is it hard to give that much of yourself? I mean you gave so much I'm like this guy runs on such precise fuel and energy in out expenditure that even I was like man He's really giving it up for the camera I mean you walked us through everything no I mean honestly

I enjoy it I got really enjoy it okay like you do I didn't know if you were faking it or not it looks like you do not fun even this stuff I was talking about girlfriend right after I was like I would joke because I'm like I'm geriatrics all hell I think I told you at the first time we're like I went to bed last night no no joke 754 p.m. my time but she's like you're me tired I'm like, I'm Jerry, actually, cause all hell, I think I told you that the first time, um, we're like, I went to bed last night, no, no joke, 7 54 PM my time. But she's like, you're gonna be tired. I'm like, that's fine. I like talking to savant.

So we'll be just fine. What time is it where you're at? Seven or two. Okay. And I did see that in the raw nutrition piece. You were like, that's it. You're like, well, uh, I should have been a bit of a Colorado time. Yep.

Yeah. I, uh, I go to bed early, man, but should have been in bed a half hour ago in Colorado time. Yep. Yeah. I, uh, I go to bed early, man, but also get up early. So, um, for people who haven't seen the first show we did together, you popped on my radar, you, uh, you called some event and you're like, Hey, I'm showing up, uh, make sure you got your clocks working. I'm going to break the world record for the 50 mile you showed up. You broke the record record for the first for the 50 mile land record for Any any creature on planet Earth except for I don't know me I don't know birds to do it faster

I'm guessing there's some birds that maybe have done it faster, but I guess outside of that category You're the fastest 50 mile or creature on the planet. That is correct Yeah, there were definitely some birds that could fly 15 miles faster than what I could run and some animals But I don't think they know I don't sound so you what animal do you think? I don't think there is an animal I mean, I bet a deer could do it or like a Some animal like that. I think that's just the first one popped in my head I mean, I just remember, you know It was all the all the rave a while back that showed that I I don't know if you remember this, but it was five years ago and there was all this talk

that like humans can actually chase down any animal because they need to rest. So as long as you got a Charlie Lawrence on your team, it doesn't matter. Like they can go a mile, but then they got to, yeah, but then they got to go under a tree. So as long as you have a spotter, it can be like, Charlie's over there.

You're like, got it, spear, wham. Yeah, so if we got a certain, like if we, some apocalypse sets, you got to survive. Charlie. You're gonna want, you're gonna wanna make spear wham yeah so if we got a certain like if we some apocalypse heads you got to survive Charlie you're gonna want you don't want to make sure I'm on your team yeah I think that they have some max distance look at someone said 100% Seve yeah there's some max distance that I mean they might be able to run faster but they cannot do 50 miles faster they cannot do miles faster than you there There we go. There you go. And I wonder, I should have looked that up before you came on.

I should have looked up like with how fast like the fastest bird did it. So then I was talking to you and I remember the two things that I remembered that were fresh in my head. There were two things you were going to do. You were going to do the Olympic trials for the marathon and not necessarily because You're the marathons your jam, but you kind of just it was kind of like a checklist get on the Olympic team for the marathon and Then yeah, I'm remember correctly and then also but the real goal was sometime and I was on the calendar

So it must be coming up in a couple weeks that you're gonna try to break the world record in some European country for the 100K. Yeah. So the circling back. So when we chatted, I was generated for the US Olympic marathon trials. I'm kind of a marathoner by trade. That's still probably my favorite distance. Oh, it is?

Oh, okay. I remembered you as being kind of like, it wasn't your jam. It was just you were good at it. Yeah, I'm good at it. And it's just like, I mean, the marathon is sexy. Everyone knows the marathon. Like it's you, your top three at the trials, you make the Olympic team, you know? So I'm naturally just better at ultra stuff. You know, I'm one for one in

world records. Just, I don't think there's not a better percentage out there. So it's a good batting average. But it's like, it's a little bit marathon trials. It's, there's so many people that would just kill to be on that line. So felt like kind of a disservice to not race it. And at the same time, you can see how you stack up in the country. I thought I was in top 15 shape, but unfortunately, I got injured. Injury popped up about two weeks before and unfortunately, I had to DNF. But then, yeah, chatting, I was like, well, I'd love to go for the 100K. Ultimately Ultimately the goal is go win the a hundred K world championships, which my 50 miles should get me selected for.

This could get super long winded here. So this is very interesting. I want to hear these details. Cause you talked about it in the raw. Hold on before we go down there and we talk about the hiccup that you have, and now you need an invite. So you're two weeks out for the, from the Olympic trials. Were those in Florida?

As I recall, those were, yeah. Okay. What happened two weeks out from the, from the Olympic trials. Were those in Florida? As I recall, those were, yeah. Orlando. Okay. What happened two weeks out? What happened to you? Uh, I started getting some pain kind of in my glute, uh, area. Basically. Yeah.

Like right on the side, um, kind of right above my hip and then kind of it trace back to like the lower part of my back. Um, just kind of like, I guess above my butt would be the best way to put it. Um, I didn't really think anything of it because there's always something going on with me. My postage is flaring up, my feet always hurt. I have a chronic SI pain in my right lower back. So it's just like, it's your training, you're just about to start tapering, you'll be fine. I just got worse from rest by the day. Ended up getting some needles in about a week before, which helped

a little bit, just reset the muscles, dry needling. And then did a workout on it race week and I couldn't really walk like four days prior. I'm already here, I was training down in Florida. So let's just give it a go. I didn't have my doctor down there, didn't have my massage therapist. He actually flew down two days before to work on me. He's like, well, I don't have an MRI machine. So like, I can't necessarily diagnose it, but there's some pretty bad damage within like the muscles. He could feel that he could feel that. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the long story short post trials, like I ran like limbs through three miles before like the day before a couple strides drills. And then it's like, well, let's give it a go. Was fine for the first three miles and just got excruciating.

Was basically on one leg through after three miles until like 14 and a half and I pulled. But it was kind of like, I was like, just stick with it, stick with it. Because I kept, honestly, I ran conservative enough before I was already closing on people and I was on a one leg. But the pain just kind of overrode it and I was like, kind of playing damage control. So decided to pull the trigger, got an MRI a week later and turns out I had a torn labrum. Um, so the, it's basically the cartilage in between like your,

your hip joints and your pelvis, all that cartilage in there was all torn up, um, and I tore my glute, mean, good men and that's the two muscles on the outside that were stabilizing and supporting it. So did a lot of damage, but, uh, I don't know. Definitely would have done more if I finished. So you're four, you're three miles into the race. You know, something's seriously wrong. And at the 14 mile mark of the Olympic trials for the 26 mile race called the marathon,

you pulled out, have you ever pulled out of a race before? One. And how long ago was that? Same reason. That was four years ago. I had an injury. Did you, did you recognize, did you recognize the pain and did you recognize the chatter that was coming up in your mind? How do you pull out? You remember that second you pulled out? Like, did you see like a watering hole and you're like, this is my last one? Also, this is where it's bad. I pulled out and it's just like in the running world, it's pretty small so everyone knows everyone and it was basically a two, it was the same loop.

So we did like a two mile add on. There was basically two other big loops. So we had done the big loop, like the two mile kicker. We started on like out on the big loop came back again. So you kind of knew like where people were. And I dropped out where I saw someone I knew and it was MK Shea. Here's where it gets funny. She's the elite coordinator for the Boston Marathon. So like I felt pretty bad.

It's like she's seeing me pull out and Boston's obviously race. I want to go do at some point. Love to be there next spring. You've never done the Boston Marathon. You've never done the Boston Marathon. Crazy. Not yet. I felt pretty bags. It's like she's seeing me pull out and Boston's obviously a race I want to go do at some point. Love to be there next spring. Um, you've never done the Boston marathon. You've never done the Boston marathon. Crazy. Not yet.

Not yet. Next, hopefully next spring. That's the goal. But, but I pull out and I see that I knew MK. So I'm like, it's kind of a familiar face. Um, so I pulled the plug and I'm like, I'm swearing. I'm like, I'm limping. Like she's holding me.

She goes, Hey, well, you still got a world record. I'm like, and that doesn't help right now. I'm gave her. She wasn't running. She was working the race. Yeah. So she's, she's really coordinated for Boston. Then like, she just kind of volunteers with USA track and field and at the big events

and stuff. So yeah. And then she walked me to, to a med tent, like a few blocks away and it didn't help any better blown metal teammates and good friends. Noah literally saw me pull out and then he dropped out too, which was, he was just not having a good race. So we were miserable together in the med tent

for like two hours, because we were on the farthest end of the course, which was the worst place to drop out. And I would have literally jogged back to the finish if I could have made it, but I just couldn't sell. When you said earlier in the story, you said that, um, there was some training or something you did and you couldn't move for four days, like literally, like you were crawling to the bathroom to take a piss like that bad.

Uh, I was limping and like, to like stand on that one leg and like put on shorts or anything Yeah, I couldn't do it. I have to like sit down to like put on Anything so yeah, it wasn't great stability. No stability. They're just not fun because of the pain was so severe. Yeah Wow Eaton Beaver 499 for the two second podcast of the day. Well, thank you. I'll take it Thanks, homie. We'll take any cash we can get. Matt Burns pulling out can get messy. Yeah, you can.

I mean, if you leave it in, it can get even messier, man. Right. Take whatever context you want it to be in, but it could have gotten way worse that day. Totally, totally. Different outcomes. Okay, so now you have the injury. Context you want to be in but it could have gotten way worse that day. Totally totally different outcomes Okay, so now you have the injury And I want to talk I want to talk about how it healed but walk me through this story about how it caused this cascade of events That that led up to this this championship team you want to be on lead that lead us up to that like we're dumb

And we don't know anything. Yeah, so Let's say fully healthy I go through trials, say it is what it is. My 50 mile world record doesn't automatically get me selected for the 100k world team this December. So it's December 7th in India. So that's the big goal. Oh, I thought that was in Europe, like Serbia or something. It's in India? Coming up. So here's where, I don't want to say it through a wrench in it, but definitely a little twist. So, I'm injured. I can't run. I just have to run on selection for my 50-mile time. My 50-mile should get me selected. It's a world record. When was the, for this event that's in India, when was that, was the Olympic

trial also a qualifier for that event? So there was a U S championship April. It was April 20th, but, but your boy was severely f'd up and on the shelf when that race happened. Like I was, I was just coming back. So now I purely have to rely on selection for my 50 mile blast November. But when I was in, I was actually in Portland at the time visiting a potential sponsor. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry about that. What? Having to go to Portland. Hey, it was all right. Okay. I mean, I didn't pay for it. So I just rag on Portland a lot.

So I just had to find out. Hey, I say this good food, a little grungy. I don't know it is what it is. But anyway so I'm just like I'm leaving dinner and I just see someone like tag me in a comment. I said at Lawrence Chargett get in on this on Instagram. I'm like I get I get shit all the time and I'm like all right let's let's actually check what this is and he commented on this post from Alexander Sorokin. He's a current 100k world record holder. He's Lithuanian. He's putting on this race called the world's fastest run, September 7th in Lithuania.

I was just like, I was barely coming back, barely running. I guess I ran in Portland. I ran way too fast the, at the day after I heard this, um, just kind of see, do a little fit check and up running 20 miles at a five 29 pace. So I was, uh, I just, I'm like, all right, like I'm still decently fit. Like the engine's still there. Um, so basically I'm like, shit, like maybe I just, let's not wait for. Worlds at December 7th, like, let's try to

get in on this race if I can get it enough. So a couple of weeks later, I just, well, I also showed my, talked to my agent, we tried to kind of get in contact. I just sent a DM to Sork and got back to him within a day. He's like, yeah, man, we can get you in the race if you're interested. So yeah, I've walked the road. So I've just been training for that literally since basically late May. Because like trainings come around like really well, fitness came really well.

I mean, I won't say I panicked training when I was injured, but as soon as I got back from Orlando, I was sleeping in my outstreet tent, cross-training two hours a day in the gym as much as I could with my labrum. Just a lot of strength training, man. So fit, ready to go. And yeah, going for the a world record against the current hundred care world record holder in his home country, um, at his race in like 18 days.

So, okay. So let me recap the story. 19 days. You're getting ready to go to the Olympic trials. You have some sort of injury. You enter the Olympic trials, something somewhat catastrophic happens. That injury is so bad that it takes you out of another race That was gonna qualify you for a race. That's in India that would allow you where you planned on breaking the hundred

Kilometer world record and the mean just just trying to win worlds there So that's a world championship which like it's gonna be hot in India. So probably world record won't happen Okay, but oh yeah and you wanted to go there not to set the World Record, and you said this in the raw video, because you may set the record, but in a few years someone may break it and you wanted the medal because the medal's forever. Oh yeah, I mean, that's exactly. Okay.

Okay. And then all of a sudden, through the platform that has billions of lunatics on it called Instagram, where I spend most of my day. through the platform that has billions of lunatics on it called Instagram where I spend most of my day. You run into someone who says hey the fucking champs throwing an event you should get out there and get some. Yeah just some person who follows me said get in on this and I just come to back like the the I emoji like you know a couple hours after oh, I love the I emoji I know I always forget to use that one and now we're now we're doing it so

And how does your labrum and the damage that was done healed did you have surgery? No, so surgery wasn't not that was gonna take me like a year and a half So I looked out I have a great doctor. He's actually a doctor I've had since like a year and a half. Um, so I looked out, I have a great doctor. He's actually, uh, doctor I've had since middle school. He's a non-surgic or non-surgical orthopedic doctor in Minnesota, where I grew up. Um, I got my heart. Another shithole, but go on. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Hey, did you see just now the Democratic National Convention is going on and the lieutenant governor was speaking? Sorry, i'm just the fucking political monster and the lieutenant governor was speaking, you know, the lady who's second under tim walsh

And she's up there and she says and she says that's where he's from right or is it minnesota? Is it missouri? Yeah Yeah, he's the minnesota governor. Yeah, so the lieutenant governor who's second underneath them, uh, patty flanagan She's talking and she starts off her speech saying, my brother was the second person to die of COVID in the United States. So I quickly Google this motherfucker. This motherfucker was a hundred pounds overweight and was in the hospital with fucking cancer. Well, that'll when he died.

She forgot to mention that anyway. Okay. I'm going to be cool. That's my last insertion of politics. I'm okay. I'm gonna be cool. That's my last insertion. Apologetics, I'm sorry. No, you're good. I mean, I'm not gonna throw a lot of hot takes, but... Okay, so you're blessed with having an amazing doctor from junior high. Yeah, I mean, he's treated my mom. Like, my mom has had hernia, disc in her back. Like she got PRP in that she's had like, I don't think stem cell there, but like

several, like I've done, like let's put it this way. When I was injured, like in even in seventh eighth grade, he'd be like, Oh, come on in. I'll give you nerve block shots to help with like a calf injury. So he's like hooked up with like L. Connerty and the supplement I've been taking since honestly like ninth, 10th grade. What's it called? L. Connerty. It helps with fat metabolism. So extra energy.

So just like little insights with that. Like he's worked with me super thoroughly. All legal stuff. Just got to mention that. But it's all just there to help. And so I texted him my MRI results. I'm also really nice to be able to message him anytime I need anything. And he just got back and said, hey, that's a pretty big scenario.

Here's what it like. He doesn't work on the weekends, doesn't do anything. He's like, I sent him on a Wednesday. He's like, yo, if you fly back to Minnesota, I'll come in on Saturday. Don't worry about it. Like I'll just come in, like give you like do PRP on you. So literally like the only thing I had to cover was my, was my flight went in and yeah, did PRP like four days later after my MRI.

So obviously then I had to take PRPs. They, they inject like sugar water and that causes some sort of like, um, uh, immune system response or healing white blood cell response or something. So they take, they took like six big vials of blood, like out of me and then put it in a centrifuge, spun it. So then it's just the, the, um, the plasma like super, super nutrient dense, like healing properties. And they re so he took it out of my arm and theyjected it into my hip, kind of like all around. And that's, so yeah, I guess the thing was,

yeah, torn labrum, torn glute med, torn glute minimus, and like severe labral tearing. So, and also I have like some impingement in my hip as well, which is I'll probably need surgery at some point, like when I'm done running, I'll probably need PRP every couple of years, truthfully, just cause it's like my cases. I don't say it's severe, but also have like, um, like bone spurs too on, on the head of my, um, femur too. So it's constantly digging into my labrum anyway.

So it's constantly tearing. Um, but it's so it's just kind of a bandaid at the moment. Um, but again, it's like peptides. What about peptides? Are those legal in your sport? No. Really? Yeah, they're legal. So Yeah, even just even just like the BPC 157 even just like I don't mean like the hormone ones

I mean like the ones that are for your ligaments and tendons and shit. Yeah, that's all banned in like and again It's like I don't to my knowledge like they're not really performance enhancing, but at the same time, it's like, they're just bands, but I can't. And again, at that time, I would have just been using it for purely healing, but it's banned. So that's four years of mod of the sport, and it's just four years down the road, I'm 32, or 33. So I'm like, I'm like coming to peak my career right now. So I've been able to get up to full volume, 100 feet to 151 miles a few weeks ago. So yeah, feeling good. Everything's good.

On occasion, I'll feel a little like pull. There's honestly kind of a tendon that attaches to basically my lower back that's always kind of irritated now So I just get dry needles in that every once in a while shockwave But yeah, I'm you sure dr. Baumgartner he was incredibly clutch came in like staffed his clinic for the weekend for me, so He's a non surgical orthopedic Doctor so he's just on the cutting edge of all the shit that's not invasive. Exactly. Yep.

Is he cool? Really cool guy. Like he just knows his shit. He's like, let's try this. Let's try this. Let's try this. Yeah. Oh yeah. Like, I mean, he had, it's literally just, it's a, it's called D ribose. It's a sugar that helps an ATP production. Like he gave me that and like just recommended for me in eighth ninth grade Just kind of a little hack for extra energy like late in a marathon or like I'll take it I'll mix it with some like caffeine like pre-workout, you know, like pretty pre track session, I guess so You so last week you ran a hundred and fifty one miles. No, not last week. That was the week before San Francisco 151 miles no not last week that was the week before San Francisco ran 151 Yeah, that's crazy and in that video you ran to after the marathon you ran another 10 miles

40 mile day Just a training day Damn dude, that's crazy. We're having fun man. It's all good That you mentioned something about, um, uh, in my notes here, I said, uh, it says what's being announced September 4th. Oh yeah. So here's what's funny. Hey, it's September 4th.

I'll know if I'm on the a hundred K world team before I go for the, before I go for the hard care world record. Um, so what are the odds of that? You think it's good? It better be pretty good. Like I got a world record, you know, judging it's not a hundred K it's 50 miles. It's the closest distance to a hundred K 12 mile short. But, um, again, like the selection procedure is, you know, there's like four

criteria as number one is like, sorry sorry, I might be off on these, but it's a good summary. It's like number one is, if you've previously been top three in the world, no US man's done that. Number two is like, you just won, if you won the current year championship, so this year's 100K world, 100K champion, US champion,

he's on the team, he actually lives out here. And then criteria three is like other people who've run a hundred Ks like at the U.S. Championship. So like a descending order list. And then four is other, sorry, descending order list at U.S. Championships. And then number four is like other a hundred K or 50 mile times.

And then there's like a big ash that's like the performance deemed superior will be given You know top top priority, so I mean again, it's a Not the only world record holder. So hopefully that uh, I do something but again, i'm not the selection committee. So And and when you and the weird thing about your 50k world record is you would never run 50 miles. Sorry 50 mile very good 50k world record is you would never run 50 miles. Sorry, 50 mile very good

The the interesting thing bizarre thing I think about your 50 mile world record is that you would never run longer than 26.2 miles when you set that record, is that right? I did a 50k once so 31 miles So not much farther than a marathon. Okay, so you took it 19 miles into the unknown When you said world record for the first time. Yes sir. Well, so I think I told you, I may have told the story already, so I apologize if I'm repeating myself. Your stories are so good you can tell them five times. All right, I appreciate that. There's my girlfriend over here, she'd be rolling her eyes, like goddamn, I've heard this fucking story 150 times. But so I paced my friend Des Linden to the women's 50 care world record at 547 pace. And after I finished it, I'm like, what's the men's like 50 mile world record? And it was 548 pace.

And I just paced Des basically as a workout at 547 pace. So I'm like, in my head, I'm like, I think I grew in 19 miles at that pace. That felt pretty easy. And so basically it was kind of in my head for, for a couple of years. Um, when you pay that was that in, do you pace her in the race or you pace her in training? Uh, it was in, in a race for set up for her. So it was actually during COVID it was like like April 2021, um, in Oregon.

So only like 10 people in the race. You're allowed to do that. You're allowed to do that. Yes, sir. Um, how, how do you know other people aren't going to pace off? You could other people pace off you too, like see you and be like, fuck that. I'm on that too. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, like it was sort of, how do you do that? I'm entering the race and this is my pacer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like she had sort of, how do you do that? I'm entering the race and this is my pacer. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, like she had talked about it was something that she wanted to do. Cause like COVID shut down all races and such through the head thing. I can go be the women's 50 K record. Um, cause you know, she had one boss in 2018, like typically Boston's run in April, so she's like, yeah, like it'd be cool to go for the 50 year old dark or something that I've kind of had in my head for some time. And, and I know she's a friend of mine.

I was down with her in Arizona that spring for winter training camp for a little bit. Um, so yeah, I think I'm going to go for it. I'm like, well, if I can help in any way, pace, whatever be there. Let me know. And obviously I was glad when she asked me if I could help pace. Cause that's, I love doing that stuff and long runs are my bread and butter. So. Hey, are, um, uh, can you characterize, um, uh, female and male, like ultra runners, like,

or, or like, do they have distinct personalities? Like in the CrossFit community, when you, like, I can see, like, I know the ultra runners. I think we talked about this, their former, uh, meth addicts or they were in jail and they're covered in tats now and now they run a hundred miles. Uh, that for both men and women, but are but are like, when I think of female long distance runners, I think of like a neurotic person or is that some are for sure, but you can't generalize it and be like, you know what I mean? Like 80% no. No, I mean, not necessarily. I mean, everyone's kind of of how about runners in general?

Probably look that is pretty nerdy corny. It is what it is. Just it's a nerdy bunch Yeah, I mean everyone just nerds out over race splits this time this marathon what you did here. We did there. I Noticed in that raw nutrition. I've never seen anyone look at their watch so much. It was like you had porn on there Which one? Whatever watch you were wearing, that white one with the round face. During the race or? No, just throughout all the videos, like every scene, there's a shot of you looking at your clock.

You know what I mean? Whether you're stretching or whatever. Oh, not that one. It wasn't that one. It was some like... Yeah, nevermind then. It wasn't some analog one. It was some like Yeah, never mind that it wasn't some analog one. It was like Yeah, that was a that's just my training watch. Yeah, exactly like

You her girlfriend over jealous of that thing? No of your other watch no, she actually gave me that little one so No, she works for that watch company. So she gave me that one She should name that. That's your mistress. Yeah. I mean, it's with me every single run, so never leaves me. It was with me for 15 miles today.

You the title, the world record for 100k six hours in five minutes 35 seconds. Oh and 35 seconds. Wow. Yeah And I'm guessing speaking of nerdy now you've like done all the The math on that what that requires for for oh, yeah Yeah, I mean I honestly, too, like that. Go ahead. I mean, so, I mean, my biggest goal is so I helped Des. So Des, when I pay shirt or 50 K, she was the first woman to break

three hours and 50 K, she ran two hours, 59 minutes, 54 seconds. So no humans ever broken six hours. Just kind of like, no one's ever broken three hours besides Des and the 50 K. I'd like to be the first guy in her six hours. So that would require 547 pace, the same pace that I paced her at. So only one second per mile slower than when I broke the Fasemonger world record at. We'll see if I can do that. I mean I think I'm fit enough to in the right race, right day. But ultimately like I just got to go win and get the world record and beat the current world record holder at his race, his game and take his record.

So we'll see how it pans out. We haven't talked pacing yet. I'd like 548 to 552 probably like that pace range throughout. If I feel good after 30, maybe start working it down, like try to get to 540 low, just have some time in the bank because inevitably you are going to start slowing down just because you're fatiguing 50 plus miles That's probably my my game plan going in Baltimore It's just make sure I get the dub and and get the under the current world record. How many miles is a hundred K?

62 Crazy and Is that dude Sorkin gonna run the race? Yeah, oh yeah. So it's his race. Like it's set up for him to go break his own world record. I'm trying to crash his party. Excuse me, phone dude. And do you think that there's other dudes there who are coming also to break his record? There's, I mean...

I mean, I mean, legitimately, no one else has a shot. It's, it's me and him. Like, I'm just like, I'm not trying to sound a big dick anyone, but like, no, it is what it is. Yeah. It is like, there's another dude who he's actually a buddy of one of my training partners. Um, he's French. She's a French record holder. He's on six 13, which is again, it's great time, but it's just like you're Mile and a half two miles back of me like that's you're not in the race, you know of what I'm trying to do In result in all your trainings at elevation

Yeah, so I'm at yeah 53 like my place in boulders 5,500 feet. So I I'm on my altitude tent now, but typically for like the start of every block, I'll sleep about to 10 for at least four weeks. So I sleep at 12,000 feet and then hang out in the day at 5,500 feet. So you feel miserable while you're in it because you just don't recover well. You're kind of trudging through mud for a few weeks. But once you get out, after a a couple weeks, you feel like Superman. So it's a great feeling.

And what's the elevation of the race? It is basically sea level. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Vilna, Swithowenia. Is he, do you think, so he's probably training using an altitude tent too. So he goes to Kenya and trains for his altitude sense. So

Where? Someone where there's elevation in Kenya. Yeah, I forgot I think he's an ego city 10 I think which is where a lot of like, you know where like you've heard of Elliot Kipchoge world I could hold at the marathon No, but but okay. Okay. Is that the guy who did it and like? He had all the people who was drafting behind and it was like this big. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah Yeah, so so he trains in I think it's capped a gap, but it's basically same the Rift Valley and in Kenya There at 7,000 feet there, which is

Good. I mean, it's like you're not gonna get it like you can't run as fast up there So I'd rather like training boulder you can run a little faster you can at 7,000 feet and then rotate on my altitude tent and basically like get more in the workouts and then get more blood volume when I'm sleeping. So. Hey, what is your fastest mile? 411.

I'd love to get closer to four minutes, man. Wow. Dude, I literally had a conversation and this is a total tangent. Well, maybe not actually brought up the mile, but one of my buddies, again, this could get long-winded, but one of my good friends, he's a self, he's around 359, 339 and the 1500.

Will had just moved across the street from me. I can literally see his apartment across the street, kind of funny. I saw him about a workout, just kind of a bridge workout the other week where I did a workout Wednesday, had a long run workout the other week where I did a workout Wednesday, had a long run Sunday. I didn't want to take three easy days. So that middle Friday, I did just sets of 400, 200. I ran them all at 61, 60 seconds, closing 59 from the last 400.

I said, bro, you could maybe break four if you train for the mile, which is like that be... Some of you will break four now, so it's not as much of a flex, but it'd be still kind of a cool thing to try to break for. Um, probably not going to happen, but, um, it's nice. Someone has a ultra marathon or turn on 62 miles. I can still close a workout in 59 seconds for 400. So what is the fastest mile? Uh, three3 point something.

Hiko Melgaruj, yeah, dude's wild. Is he still around? Yeah, he's alive. I mean, he's not, that was like back in the early 2000s, maybe the late 90s. I forgot the exact date, but... Is there, are there any, are there any dudes... A couple people have gotten close, so... Are there any dudes, like, how you, how you're pursuit, how you pursued this 50 mile and now you're pursuing the 100k Are there any people fucking with the mile like one or two guys in the world? Oh, yeah

I think like honestly, I think you like Jakob Ingebrigtsen. He's a Norwegian He'll probably get it I think he has a potential a couple Americans Cole Hawker He just won the world like Olympic gold in the 1500. He's got a shot Yard, he's another the 1500 he's got a shot no yard he's another American he's got a shot is it horrible is it horrible is the mild is it horrible oh it's awesome I mean it hurts like absolute hell for I mean you know yeah and for me too it's just like I've I'm just so aerobically developed like just strong rock and just go forever at 530, 540, 550

pace, even a marathon at 510 pace. But it's like, I start running 420s really hard for me to hit in sessions and stuff because I just don't train that anaerobic work that those guys do. But it's hard work. it bites for a long time, but I do enjoy those sessions for sure. It's just not conducive to what I'm trying to do right now. I would say I train more like a marathoner than I do like an ultra marathoner,

so I still do a fair amount of speed sessions that are pretty aggressive, but yet nothing as aggressive as like those milers. In one of the videos you said okay I'm going to do a couple of 400s at 60 and then I'm going to do something you call a flush and run a five-minute mile and I'm like a flush. Yeah a five-minute flush. Yeah so yeah that's just a mile. So threshold is just like a running term where it's basically the pace you can hold for roughly about an hour. So it's a pretty doable pace. And for me at the end of that workout, it was just like, it was a pretty quick workout. It was just two mile, one mile, 804 by four, two by four, at pretty aggressive paces. Like

I ran 62, 61, and those are, you know you know well below mile pace I'm building some lactic acid. Seven miles just going back to a pretty comfortable pace just to flush all the the gunk out of out of my leg so I noticed like I actually feel better after the workout after I do that. You um uh a comfortable pace for you is a five minute mile for an hour like that's like doable for you like I could wake up at three in the morning, go Charlie, let's go for a run. Let's go run 12 miles. You're like, all right, I got an hour. Yeah, exactly. I mean like, again, easy days, like this morning I ran 10 miles in 73 minutes. I ran seven and 20 pace, you know? So like on easy days, I'm really easy, but like, yeah,

my half marathon PR 13.1 miles is like 64 minutes. So I've run four 50 three pace for 13 miles. So not saying it's easy, but I can go run five minute mile repeats all day. Hey, when you run that slow, when you're running 721 miles or 727 miles, do you get bored? Is that hard for you to do?

Is it annoying to you or? No, it's honestly, it's really easy. It's just the days that I run really easy are honest. Well, this will sound weird. I'm going to basically counteract what I just said. It's like, physically it's really easy, but I'm also pretty tired because my easy days are in between sessions. So I'm basically just recovering. So especially like the day after sessions, Yeah, I'm running 715 720 730 pace Which is really easy to do but I'm just like physically tired from the session the day before, you know But it's still you know, the pace is easy to run per se Um, I don't know if I heard this right

But did you say in that video when you were jogging with your chick you said, oh I just ran five miles at a 721 pace and you're like, oh my heart rate's 110 Yeah, so listen You know, I work out every day and I crossfit and When I'm sitting on the couch, my heart rate's like 52, right? 50 to 60 and I'm chilling. I'm just so relaxed. And then my, and then my wife will be like, it's trash day. I'm like, okay.

I just get up off the couch, saunter over, no rush, take the trash out of the bag, put it in the trash can, roll the trash can out. And my heart rate's 110. You're working as hard as me, man. You're getting fit. I'm like, what the fuck? How could you... How could you... Like if I do anything, my heart rate goes to 100. Yeah, I mean, that was just... I mean, I'm just so aerobically developed and strong.

Or like so if we're here, like most easy days in Boulder at altitude, my... Like I think today, like again, it's wrist-based. So take it with a grain of salt. It's probably plus or minus. Yeah. Yeah. Plus minus five beats. But like today was, I think, 127 for 10 miles in the morning. And then I think it was 132 for my second run,

but I also did strides. So like, obviously it went up because I was doing some 200 meter strides. Yeah. And let me correct that. My heart rate when I'm sitting on the couch watching TV, sorry, I said 50. It's probably 60.

Like lowest I would see is like 57. Not 50, sorry. I meant like 57 or 60. But it's still crazy. It like at 57, it feels like I'm gonna die. Like I'm sitting there and I'm like listening to my heart. I'm like, damn, I'm chill. What is your resting heart rate?

At sea level, like 33, 34. Oh, you're an ER's nightmare. Yeah. That's slow as hell, dude. Yeah. Like, so like it's, I don't necessarily wear it. Like I used to wear a ROOP, um, and that like, I'd wear that all the time. And it was like super, super noticeable. Like I just see how I was recovering and such.

And like, even at my altitude tent, the ever saw like 12,000 feet was 37 when I was sleeping but actually I've gotten down to yeah 32, 33. That's crazy. How's your blood pressure? Is it good? As far as I know it's good. Yeah. Like when you stand up or anything you don't get weird shit that happens? Like if you're laying down you stand up you don't you don't get a head rush or any no Yeah, that's that's absolutely wild Jeremy world my heart rate

Race is when I use my exerciser. Oh the exerciser is the penis pump. We're now selling 20% off With code crossfit 20 crossfit 20. Yeah, all Oh right. Oh right right right my goddamn face. Yeah, yeah right over my head Yeah, so he gets a heart rate spike from that when when you I'm really scared to ask you this question when you Did the 50 miler? You knew that you were gonna break the 50-miler You knew that you were gonna break the 50 mile world record

Yeah, it's a great story, right? Hey, I'm coming down. I'm eating you weren't like him coming around your race You're like, hey get the clocks tuned up. I'm coming in Yeah, make sure it's certified and make sure you got everything like keep the slow pokes off the trail. Here I come Recertify it like I'm getting it. Yeah Do you have that confidence for September 7th in Lithuania? Yeah man like I wouldn't be flying to Lithuania if it wasn't gonna get the record. I even said that about Tlummel Hill where I broke the 50 mile like that would have been such a waste of a trip if I didn't get it. So waste of a lot of time, a lot of money, sponsors money, you don't want to do that. So yeah, I feel really good.

Obviously like you never know what can happen, but I'm as fit if not fitter than I was before I got the record at tunnel hill. So, so you're ready to go. There's no hiccups. The one you look in your brain, you're like, yep, that's what the world record brain looks like. Yeah, no, it's all there, man. It's you know, that's the thing too, where it's, you know, going into Tunnel Hill, I'd like told myself for a year that like it was mine. So even when

shit got hard and shit got bad, it's like, dude, you're still going to get it. Like, just keep rolling. You're going to get it. So that's my mentality here as well. I'm still a little different again, but it's like, I did that solo. There was no one with me at Tomahill. Like not a soul in sight. Like every step, every step was on my own here. It's like, it's like basically modeling model. I haven't fixed my world record. He has a hundred K like we're racing. So it's like, it's on a faster surface.

It's not a cross gravel trail. It's road. Um, so you can run natural and faster on that anyway. So, um, everything's set up to run fast and go get it. So, uh, I feel good. So theoretically you and him, uh, you and him could be running within a mile of each other for 60 K. Oh yeah. I mean, we'll be with each other. Probably'm guessing we'll probably work together probably through 40-ish miles, 45 miles, then

we'll be every man for himself, ceasefires off. But if I feel good early and I think I can break them earlier, I'm going to go do it. And that's one thing too, where I train. He's even more aerobic than I am. I still train. I do pretty hard intervals. I'll do fart looks, I'm changing paces. I can still go throw in a, I get there on a five 15 mile completely just blow it

open and recover off that and back and go back to, you know, five 30, five 40, five 50, five 50 meds. Um, and keep going where I don't think he could respond to something like that. So, Oh, I see. I see. Cause he just, he just runs a lot of, he's, he's just constant, man. He can just roll same pace all day forever, but not as fast as like, not as fast as pace as I can go, if that makes sense. Um, like, like, no, I haven't just, just exchange over email DMs. Um, you know, that's the thing too. Like he has the Hunter mile world record too, and he has like the 12 hour world record and the six hour world record.

So like, I'm kind of going from the marathon up. He's coming from like a hundred mile down. So he's got a really big engine. I got the speed. So, um, I wonder, he must be so he, when he put on this race, he didn't reach out to you, he didn't, he wasn't like, yo dude. No, which honestly, like I'm, I'm surprised he was so open to me. Like.

Hopping in truthfully. Um, was there a qualifier that, that he just got you past? Yeah. I mean, like it's, I have a world record. Yeah. I think it was just, as soon as he saw some of my messages, like, oh yeah, of course, but like also too, it's like, shout out to him, cause like, if I'm putting on a race and I have other people like

Trying to come and crash the party and kind of like dude what the fuck but also to it's like you can't dodge people So right there's already there's already enough of that going on So and I like like I'd never dodging one if someone wanted to race me or come to race it out doing so Definitely respect him for that. I mean it's completely changed his race. Oh Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think having you come out there, it's now a completely different scenario that's going on before it was a guy trying to break the world record. Now it's a fucking race. Yeah, with like, because he did this last year, last May of 2023. And it was in the same city, just a different course, is basically on a big

city block. And he had paces there for him,, like very, very well set up race just particularly for him. But now it's, like I said, it's set up for busy him and I, and it's we're racing, you know, um, will this thing be broadcast? I don't know that yet. I wish, I wish I knew, um, I hope so, but it'll be. At, you know, mid no, it'll be like 10 PM back here, basically. Like start at 10 and go till, uh, or basically, yeah. Yeah. When will you go there a week in advance or two weeks or

so I'm heading out there next Wednesday, Wednesday, the 28th, because I've, I've never flown to Europe before. So I just don't want to mess with jet lag. I want to get all that out of the way. Yeah. Smart. So yeah, I'll be there Y'all do a workout here Tuesday

Usually do it Wednesday, but I'm gonna do it Tuesday get up here Wednesday morning Do an easy run hop on the flight jet over and then get there basically Thursday afternoon get there do an easy run and hopefully just get settled in and try to shake off all the jet lag that I can Will you have a docent there or someone who's like like a hospitality person like okay Charlie This is the track you can use to train on the week. You're here or anything like that No, so actually like i'll be honest orkins kind of done it himself. He's been like hey like here's a hotel Like you got a week cover there like it's on on the race, which is great Um, it's only one it's like one kilometer from the race course.

Wow. And there, and I actually asked them, but there is a track that's looks about to be like a mile north of where the hotel is. Nothing's pretty close. Um, I'll probably get on the track race week, just do some faster, faster type work. But my workout that I usually do a week before, um, I'll definitely just go dog over to the course and do it on the loop so it's a 1,850 meter loop so doing doing a lot of laps, but

Oh What does that end up being? I think like I think 54 total loops I think Let me do a calculator here calculate. You have to have to check my check my math. Okay, so I'm 100 K Divided by What 18.5 is that no One point eight. Yeah equals. Oh, yeah 54 laps Wow Equals oh, yeah 54 laps Wow

Shit dude, that's a lot of fucking laps, dude. Yeah. Also, I just texted you the the race website I probably could have put in the chat too, but oh no, I'll pull it up. This is good. This is crazy The I bet you this guy's so excited Yeah, he's still actually just had a haven't heard back because we're on obviously different time zones, but someone from the race just reached out. He's he does all the literally this morning. Welcome to DM got back to him. He wants to do an interview. I think there's gonna be a press conference stuff too. So it'll be fun, man.

Hey, why aren't they like WhatsApp being you and shit or texting you? Why are they DMing you? I don't know. Great. I just a great question. Probably because like I'm just more at like probably because I don't know. Great. I, it's a great question. Probably because like I'm just more at like, probably because I'm pretty active on Instagram. I'd guess. This guy looks old.

Yeah, dude. He's 41. I said, dude, he just, he just got an engine. Wow. But yeah, that's him. Again, really, I don't know him, but really good dude in our, in our interaction. So, Hey, they got to get your picture up here. This is crazy race.

Part of it. It's up there somewhere. It like, it scrolls on one of the main pages. Oh, Charlie Lawrence. Yeah. But the, the user really old photo, but it is what it is. Also that was a cross country race, but it'll work. Uh, this guy, oh, this is crazy. This is crazy. It's got all, all the people's stats, oh, this is crazy.

It's got all the people's stats. Oh, this is cool. So this guy, his marathon time world record is 212. This guy is 214. This guy doesn't even have a marathon time. No. World record holder 50 miles. Definitely.

Crazy. Marathon 216. Yeah, buddy. Let's see who else there is. No fat guys. Oh, a dude from Japan. That dude's wrong. So here's the thing.

This is the first time I've actually seen it on On like natural desktop I just had I've only pulled it off my phone a national champion from Somewhere India or Pakistan or something? Oh They got girls in here, yeah, there's a women's race as well. So Do they have needed shit going on? Will there be a woman they're trying to set the record I'm not sure on that I really should know but I don't yeah they don't even have any competition for she's all out on her own I think that was so I'm not sure if you run on the 50k or the 100k cuz like they're also doing a 50k that starts at you're right she is doing the 50 K.

Okay. Yeah. So she'll have. But Pacers there and honestly, I can ask me in a message. She's like, yo, do you like, are we going to need a Pacer pass 50 K? And I just said, that's up to you. Like I still love my 50 miles. So I don't mind going at it alone if I have to after 50 K, but again, there's also a 50 K race going on.

So there should be people to set my run with or chase. So, Oh, this guy seems cool as shit saying stuff like that to you. Thorken. Yeah. He's a good dude. I don't know. I'm just overthrew just kind of a social media thing, but yeah. Um, so 6. it starts.

Award ceremony at 1 p.m. Jesus, seven hours later. I mean, good day. I can start drinking at 1.30. Oh, I would just start drinking. You can't even handle one beer, I bet. Oh dude, I'd be drunk off my ass. Like, no, I'm not. Dude, after that, no doubt, no doubt, especially me too. Like, dude, I've been

drinking months. Just because I've been like trying to heal and like recover, you know? Seriously, dude, if you are going to drink, you should you should have an eyedropper and just take an eyedropper of like tequila and put it in like a cup of sparkling water. And that's one drink for you. That's the move. That's the way to do it. You know what I mean? One for one.

Yeah, seriously. One can of sparkling water with one eyedrop of tequila. You could probably have ten of those and be all fucked up. Do something weird with your girlfriend then. All kinds of weird shit. In a foreign country, check that box. Yeah, perfect. And then are you staying for a while or you come bolting home country. Check that box. Yeah. Perfect. And then, and then, and then are you staying for a while or you come bolting home?

I'm getting home next day. Yeah. Next. Uh, yeah, I get back. So it's again, like you've, I mean, you've been to Europe, right? Yeah. Yeah. So you travel like, you know, basically time travel, you go, I'm going to have the day that way and I leave Sunday, get back Sunday here.

So we're just kind of nice. So yeah. Yeah. I like we Sunday get back Sunday here. So we're just kind of nice. So yeah, yeah. Raise a Saturday, come back. I'll get back, you know, put to Boulder at like 7pm. That you fly in first class. I am in God, dude, fucking long start. Pardon my French. Long story, dude. I'm in a, let me talk to you. If you're not flying first class or business class, I need to talk to your sponsor, at least on the way home. I'm flying premium select on Delta. Okay. Oh, that's good. Delta doesn't use Boeing's. That's a great... I wasn't going to inject any more politics, but you do not want to fly on Boeing. That's good. Delta, you're safe.

That's how I fly. Awesome. I love it. Yeah. Good. Delta's good. Yeah, I'm a loyalist there, but I tried... I'm actually gonna call them. I need to call them this week. I want to get on Delta One, but it was $19,000. I couldn't justify sending that invoice to Puma. So... Hey, what about a sponsor? Like Delta is a sponsor. I mean, that'd be let you know people. No, I love that. Like, hey, dude, you know who I am.

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Great, they have two great shoes. I'm doing a running economy and efficiency test this Friday, actually in both pairs of their super shoes to see which one I'm most efficient in, but both are great. Tell me I can break them up and see these space creatures. What are they? So are he the first one you're going to, it's janky as all hell. It's called the Puma fast R2.

I can go grab it too. If you wanted me to, I can like literally to my closet over there. Oh yeah. This is just, this is just your basic, um, uh, $300 shoe. Yes. Yes. I'm, I'm happy. I don't have to buy those.

Um, uh, this, this thing right here. Fast R2 right there, man. Yeah. Okay. So those just look like gnarly because the plate sticks through the toe. So you get this absurd, like roll with it and kind of flicker the plate, which is really nice. Okay.

Um, but wow, this thing, is it the nitro? It's got like this stick that connects the front and the back. Yes. So that's the carbon plate. So the plate sticks out. Um, they, you see where the toe is like real, the white piece that's like over the orange, that's still the plate sticks out. You see where the toe is like really the white piece that's like over the orange. That's still the plate. So that's what I won San Francisco and I think for marathon, and here's this is just my theory. I think for marathon pace work, like five flat to 515,

I think that's a better shoe for that. But for longer stuff, there are other shoe called the DV8 Nitro 3. It's a little comfier and and not and it's a little lighter. So it's a little more agile in it I think that's a shoe i'll probably be embracing in i'll bring that one up in one second. Let me show this this shoe is a trip Yeah Janky shoe, but a great shoe Hey, so well, I don't know. It's it's not any jank giant that Nike shoe is just fucking weird rave shit Um, but is this the same issue as the Nike shoe too? Like you put it on and you get 150 miles out of it and you retire it

basically, yeah, I mean I like I have one dead sock pair that like You know, let's say let's say i'm let's say I wear that shoe. I'll wear it for the race. I'm not touching it again right I'm let's say I wear that you I'll wear it for the race. I'm not touching it again, right? And the shoe that you'll even test that won't be your that probably won't be your Okay, what's your shoe called Puma? What so deviate nitro elite three? What's kind of crazy like shout out Puma they're like really like you can't get them anywhere They had some like hidden in a warehouse in Arizona So they're able to find me like a fresh pair just in case I'm like that's the shoe. I end up racing in oh

This true this shoe almost looks normal. It looks way more normal than the fast start to yeah Yeah, this is like what I would wear if I wanted to be taller I Cannot no no so so nitro elite so that's, that's the nitro. That's like a half hash. Like that's a good shoe. Like that's my long run too. Yeah. Nitro elite three. Nitro too. Shit. I got to start over again. Yeah. Just go, go Google deviate nitro elite 3 I could uh, do you mind nitro elite 3? Okay, I googled it and then oh

Pumas deviate nitro elite 3 women's I guess it doesn't matter if it's women's or men's right now same shoe But yeah, so like it's only available in like odd women sizes right now So what are they like they're sending me a pair like got the tracking said it was gonna be delivered today But I think I'll get it off Waiting Can't see it yet. Oh my internet went down now. It's back Am I all choppy and shit? No, you're good. Oh, is that it? That is it sir

Yeah, that one was normal that doesn't have like the weird they've hidden some of the Yeah, there is not exposed, but it's got some weird split in the back Yeah, weight reduction aerodynamics, so that's true. Definitely a little comfier, but not as aggressive with like the plate so But again for me it just comes down to whichever one i'm honestly just most efficient in so You um, what would you think he'll be what do you think he'll be wearing? I saw in one of his other videos. He was wearing the the nike shoe Yeah, he's a nike guy. So um, he'll be probably wearing either vapor flies or alpha flies. I would guess vapor flies that's what I see him in mostly but

Yeah in this um in this video here Oh, do you do you trip on that too? Like if they didn't have a shoe for you, would you be tripping Puma? I guess they're a running company. Of course they're gonna have a shoe for you. Yeah, well, so that's the thing too, where, you know, this,

I was in chat with actually a company this spring, they didn't have a super shoe. So, and I would have had it in my contract. I can wear whatever shoe I want until you get a competent super shoe. And even then, even if I like I'll say the game with their first version, it sucks. I'd still like no, I'm still wearing the Alpha fly or the vapor fire, you know, Puma, a Puma shoe. But so it just makes more sense for the for the company that has

actually has a super shoe and a great super shoe. So and in the shirt and the pants and the shorts and the underwear all that shit will be like Pre-selected like this is the shit that flows Hit it out pull my baby. Yeah, and uh lube the thighs and with All of it. Oh, yeah, lube just like baby get me Aqua four all over dude, like literally like knees up to my waist. Yeah I mean, just got to do, you know, get the crevices, get, you know, get like, get where it goes on their quads. Like, just do it.

No spot. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's do, you know, get the crevices, get, you know, get like, get where it goes on your quads. Like just do it. No spot left.

No spot. Yeah. No spot left. Cause chasing will even, even get your nipples a little bit. Like, cause that's just not fun either. So it's from 60 miles of this. Yeah. And like, and it gets, you know, the sweat will get it wet.

So it just rubbed a little more. You just don't want to mess with that. I had a buddy, no joke, my first pro team. Well, first pro contra guy was a group in Michigan. My buddy Mike Morgan, he was a kind of an older guy. He was the old scouting team, he was almost 40. Really good dude. His top place is 12th at the trials in 2008.

Great runner, no matter what. That was his biggest fear was his nipples chafing. Every day, two band-aids. He's like, I'm not messing with it. I've chafed my nipples once. I went surfing once with no wetsuit and I chafed my nipples and it was because, you know, your nipples are rubbing on the surface.

Oh dude. Yeah. Yeah, it's just not Just don't just don't mess with it. It's right. We've all had it. It's not fun. What about um, that that Lubricant making it so your skin can't breathe What is that? I don't know. I'm just saying I'm just making up any lubricant Like you put that stuff all over your skin like like Vaseline or something and it's like you sweat through that stuff anyway Doesn't know doesn't like it doesn't like seal you shut and then you fucking die

You know if you heard of people like they paint them and then they die You ever yeah, yeah, I think it's a little more beautiful. Okay, okay? Just wait. I mean we say I can so yeah, I'll be fine. I'll be good Savvy Google it runners bleed like hell from their nipples. Oh dude, yeah. Yeah, you can just Google like runner nipple chafe. The Google images will probably be horrific because it's just like their shirts are just, it's just blood coming down. Guaranteed. Horrific. So I don't even know how to spell chafe. I'm so glad.

CH. Oh, wow. Wow. Oh yeah. Wow. This is, um, that's crazy. Yeah. You don't want that.

Wow. He just, yeah. That's what you don't want. Oh Wow he just told me yeah That's what you don't want no, have you ever seen that at a race I Haven't seen it like that bad, but I've seen like 100% I've seen it but it's just mostly just like red dots, you know, like I haven't seen it bleeding down Yeah, damn bloody nipples during running. Oh Look, they even sell stickers of course they do. Nipples. Yeah I should get that. I think you got the lube thing figured out. Yeah. I'll say this though San Francisco was kind of humid and the Puma top did uh

because like I like basically tried to throw some water like on it and I kind of made him chase slightly, but it wasn't, wasn't new or that bad. Didn't bleed, but definitely felt it like the last couple of miles. So maybe it could be worth worthwhile just getting some, uh, some nipple tape. Your girlfriend's going. She's going. Yeah. Does she go to every race? She goes to most of them.

Yes. So, and any, any other family, any parents or friends or anyone? Yeah. So my dad is flying over that'll be experienced for him because she's from the town. I grew up in this 2,500 people, small town, central Minnesota. I love my dad, but you know, when you like, you grow up and you're kind of like, your parents aren't like superheroes anymore. Yeah.

It's just like, I just mock him. Cause it's like funny when he gets out of central Minnesota, he's just in like, just an honor. Again, I love him. He's like, he's my favorite dude in the world. Don't get me wrong, which is like comical when he was like in a new place. He's unfamiliar with. So I got my dad, Alice and my girlfriend, then my aunt and uncle live in DC. They're coming out. So, um, so that'd be fun. My uncle, he jokes.

He's my liquid nutritional specialist. So he, he hands me my bottles when I run by. Oh, okay. So they know how to participate there. They won't be a pain in the ass. They know like, you're going to like, they'll get close to the race. They're familiar with, as you go, start going into that space. They're not going to be like, what's wrong with Charlie?

They know you're getting into the set mindset. Oh yeah. And my uncle too, who's like, who handed him my bottles and stuff. He's like, he's like, you don't need to rent a car. We'll drive wherever you need to go. We'll take care of that. We'll take it like all the, like, you're the man. Let's go.

So you trusted driving. I just was driving. Yeah. I mean, like he's a dude, like he got a car at the trials too. Like he got a, he got a Benz as his rental. I'm like, all right, dude. Oh, that's nice. Okay. Yeah, that's good having a good driver. I um I um I recently went to Texas for a week to do some filming and there was this uh and a dude came out from Ireland who

was like you know part of the same team like he was filming stuff for his shit I was filming stuff for my shit but we kind of teamed up together so I rented a You know like a Denali or an escalator some big car like that, right and For the so that the whole team of camera guys could jump in and we could all carpool together The dudes fucking from Ireland I get in the car and I'm like, hey, dude, you cool driving here and he's like, oh totally He's I haven't had any first thing. He does is turn down the street going the wrong way head on all right pull over i just had to pull over yeah get out pull over dude fucking a yeah yeah that it's nice it's nice having a good driver people don't realize how nice that is if you have a good driver and you can just chill it's great yeah he's great even when i ran

my my marathon probably private tunnel hill like it was in New York, they opened DC. They drove, they, yeah, they drove up, like picked me up, then drove up to like where we were standing, where the races drove us to dinner. Everything we needed was great. So when you break the world record, will there be like a little media blitz for you? You think? Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, like just in terms of like interviews or what? Yeah you know what I mean like like all of a sudden you don't got to do this podcast you get to do Joe Rogan or something you know what I mean or like you know what I mean or the local or is it just like me and fucking the local news will be like local boy Charlie Lawrence breaks the 100k.

No I mean I think it's like. Will you get him a billboard like you'll get a billboard? I mean that'd be I would love that I'm gonna push for that that's a good idea. I don't already have one. Hey, I mean they are I'll give him some content for it. That's for sure Okay, but no, I mean like I think with it with every Like you get one world record. Obviously that that's great. It's cool. But like you get to it's like, oh shit He's legit. He's like he wants to go get another one. Like I want to go get the hundred mile to at some point, you know He's legit. He's like, he wants to go get another one. Like I want to go get the a hundred mile too, at some point, you know?

Um, so, you know, what that hopefully comes more, I don't say obligations, but more, more media, um, you know, obviously more doors would be great too. But, um, no, I'll still also be coming back to this. We got to make this like a couple of like every month thing, every couple of months thing, you know, a quarterly thing. I can't wait to talk to you after this, but, but dude, I hope you and Thor can get in a fistfight at the finish line We got the energy The what about taking your shirt off during the race

I don't think that's well, I'm pretty sure I could. I'm pretty sure like I definitely could, but I'll just it's It's not like some local 5k, you know, like we're gonna wear like Puma's paying money shirt for me to wear that kit So but but in an ideal world, would you rather run without a shirt? It's also like when i'm training 100 like all my workouts like even today was pretty one side So I took my shirt off before I started my both my runs actually. I see a little more free doing that. But I think like there's just something about putting on a jersey with a bib number on it. Like that gets you just in a different race mode, you know, right.

Like this is not weird, but I refuse. Like superstition isn't the right way to put it, but like I hate wearing. I refuse to wear singlets in practice. Just cause I'm just cause I'm like, Oh, what are you racing today? No, it's just practice. Like take your shirt off or leave, leave your long sleeve on. You know, like what's it, what's a singlet? Uh, just like a tank top.

Sorry. Like a Jersey, you know, running. Yeah. We call them wife beaters or a wife beater. I say save those for race day. Yeah, we call them wife eaters Or a wife beater. I Yeah, I get that I get that They could I mean Puma could easily also just put a big fucking Puma tattoo on your back You know like one of those temporary ones they should make you do that

Anyway, like if I work there, I'd have them fucking just put the their logo is like some it's good Their logo is cool, right? They got like a it's a Puma. I was gonna say it's a dog. Yeah, I put that cat like a temporary tattoo on your back. So in case you did take your shirt off, like fuck, look at this, dude, I was running with a buddy. This is like little last week. Like, when do you start selling arm space for companies? Because there was Nick Simmons, he's a former US 800 meter runner. He sold arm space because USA Track and Field, they shoot themselves in the foot. We can only wear on our jerseys one sponsor. So it's Puma, I can only

have the Puma logo. If I was in a club, I could have the club on there as well. That's it. You can't have any more logos, none of that shit. Like even like raw, raw, raw. I got me a singlet for the trials. Um, and it was, but it was Lululemon with raw branded on it. I couldn't wear it. Cause it wasn't like, Oh, cause they had two brands on it. Yeah. So it's, it's yeah. So it's like, so Nick Simmons, you're in for Brooks. Maybe it's Brooks or Nike at the time. He was just like, he's like, F that. Like I want to go do, like I want to get other sponsorships. Like this is what they do. And now they do it in the time. He was just like, he's like, F that. I want to go do, I want to get other

sponsorships. This is what they do. And now they do it in the NBA. It's what they do in NASCAR. It's what they do. And name of sport, soccer. So he's just like, so he's like, F it. I'm just going to sell, get a temporary tattoo on his biceps or on his shoulders. And he did that. He sold, I forgot what sponsor he got, got but he got Or maybe it's like right here So like so he flexed he won USA is he's had had a sponsor like so to pay an ad space on his arms For temporary tattoos. What did this guy's a runner? Yeah, this guy's huge Yes, and yeah, it's powerful like multiple time multiple time US champion What's he run?

143 144 in 800. Oh, he runs the 800, okay. 800, yeah, yeah, yeah. So some middle distance. Okay. So the race will be over and you'll be in unchartered territory again in terms of your recovery and just your state of mind and.

Yeah, I mean, I'm ready to do what I'm like, dude, I just want to get back after like I want to go I'm probably going to run any monumental marathon, Indianapolis, November 9. So I'd love to go win that. That'd be fun. Like I think I can break the course record too. So I mean, that's two months after and you know, just got to recover as quickly as I can and get back after it might be pacing the Chicago Marathon to October. So there's always something, something after so.

And you see these marathons as training pieces now in your life as opposed to events or do you see them as both but definitely not just marathons. They're they're definitely both. Like they're they're tools. Like you know they're they're big workouts. Like ultimately like I should be selected for the Honkai World Team. So the plan would be use Indy the marathon as a workout for Worlds four weeks later. Kind of like I did with Tunnel Hill. Kind of like I did with San Francisco prior to this race you know coming up. Right. But. Um, but at the same time, he was like, if I'm a marathon fit, I know I'm in very good ultra shape as well. So, um, yeah. And it's always fun when you're competing, running well at marathons. So, cause again, that's the, that's kind of the, that's the, the sexy

event, you know, in, in running. So at least in, in distance running. In that San Francisco marathon, there was a bike in front of you. Yes, sir. Is that bike there for the whole race? That was the whole race. Yeah. Cause dude, the course is so janky. So that was honestly really nice having so cause it's like, dude, we, we

crossed the Golden Gate bridge. They didn't close the bridge down. So we're running on the big red pillars, like cutting, like you go right through a gate left for 10 meters, another right again, or left, another right. I guess the course is just, you can get no rhythm on it. So there's some janky turns, like you're on a random sidewalks or Golden gate park, like doing like a random Z within 200 meters, which is kind of annoying. But, um, so yeah, having that bike there was critical for me knowing where to go.

Same rider the whole race. Same rider. Yeah, man He must be a good rider and because I was thinking does that bike ever get annoying like if it slows down or you get? Too close to it or you start pacing off of it when you shouldn't be like does it well up? No, so that's kind of funny at one point He I don't know what he was doing like we crossed only a bridge Basically went over it around and under it then back up the other side and crossed it. That makes any sense

Yeah, but he started like another bridge. Yep. Okay. Yeah, so he he like I don't know what he was like on his phone I don't know if he was like trying to record me doing something, but he ate shit. Absolutely Shit underneath like on the other side of the Goliath Bridge from San Francisco. He's like, yeah, he's like fuck I'll catch up. I'll keep going. I'm like, all right cool So you pass the biker That pass the biker and he got his shit together and pumped up and passed you and he got back in front of me Yeah, what's he gonna? What's nice happen? Cuz I didn't know where I was going Wow, that's awesome. You ever seen anything like that before in a race the the the motorcycle in the front or the bike or biker?

crashes or anything No, the, the, the motorcycle on the front or the, the bike or biker crashes or anything? No, fortunately. No, thank God. How about one? Have you ever had a motorcycle in front of you or a car and you're just taking in all that exhaust? Uh, yes. Kind of annoying.

Yeah. How do they, how do they justify that? I don't know. They're far enough ahead. So we can't technically get any, I don't know. It's not a risk to us, I guess, put it that way. I'll tell you what, in high school I ran into, they had a lead golf cart. I caught the golf cart within a mile. Really annoying. Like I would like ran into the back of it and like just went around it.

Hey, they need an electric bike for that. They should. Yeah, now they should. Yeah, or an electric motorcycle or something. Yeah, this dude was just pedaling. Like, it was all him. Alright, I'm pumped. So you're going to do this on September 7th and then I'm going to be watching. Hey, if you find out if it's televised, will you text me? You bet. Yeah, I'll do a little watch party here as we get down to the last hour of my podcast.

I'll just steal their stream and watch it. Let's go. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I'll do a little watch party here as we get down to the last hour on my podcast. I'll just steal their stream and watch it. Let's go. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. All right, Charlie Lawrence, you the man, dude. Dude, let's do this again. Yeah, can't wait. Like, September.

Yeah, you're a true inspiration. Oh yeah, yeah, I'm gonna talk to you. I'm gonna text you the right one when we're done and try to schedule you when you get back. Perfect. Sounds good, man. I appreciate you having me. All right, brother, talk to you soon. Have a good night bro. Good night. Charlie Lawrence, holy cow, 50 mile world record holder. Oh that's a great question. Did you ever smell

farts from the guy on the bike? Damn. That's a great question. That's a great question. Best of success, Charlie. Ken Walters, always a gentleman. Ken, great seeing you at the games, dude. You're cool as shit. I'm, um, oh, I shouldn't tell you guys this. I was going to tell you something I'm doing for someone, but then someone else was asking to do the same for them.

I have so much shit to mail out. Oh my goodness. I have to mail this guy Chaz those shoes. Oh yeah, I already took them to the kitchen. That's good. As many of you saw I made an announcement today Regarding the future of CrossFit I Took the reins as um, you know, just some just some CEO and shit that just has to be done once in a while So, um, you know, there's a bunch of questions. I should just do an entire show of questions.

I should just reply to these questions. A lot of you are excited about the breaking news CEO announces go forward plan for the CrossFit Games. I understand you guys are excited. I know it's a brilliant plan. Most of you get it, 90% of you get it. The 10% don't get it, which is interesting because it's very clear. But just none of these answers I'm gonna give you,

I'll do a whole show on it, but I'll just give you a little run down. Let's do a little, there's only a couple hundred of us here. Let's just do a little dress rehearsal. You guys want to do that with me real quick? We'll go through some of the questions. I'll see how, and then I'll give you, I'll work on the answers. This will be the unofficial response.

But will the affiliates be paid for running the open? No, they will not be paid for running the open. The affiliates will be getting a, they can do it if they want to do it and they don't have to if they don't want to. They can utilize it as, they should just think of it as a tool for them to, if it adds value to their gym and to their members, they should do it. And if not, fuck the open, don't do it. But still you'll be able to get six tickets

And you have to remember as six tickets only three thousand affiliates will get tickets still I mean It'll still be it'll be crushed right and then you can resell the tickets if you want for two thousand bucks a piece and double Your affiliate feedback. I mean it's it's um It's it's it's fucking amazing. I'm fucking brilliant I should have done this a long time ago. The only reason why I'm an idiot is because it took me so long to do this. How would this improve the situation? How would it change the tragic circumstances at the games this year?

Sorry, I'm lost. Paul Walters, you are lost. This has actually... This is something that's a long time coming. I can see by the athletes' reaction and by the noise on the internet that we've kind of lost our way with the games, right? So we're going to regroup and we're going to refocus on the only thing that matters, which is the affiliates. The incident with

Lazer, extremely tragic. And so many people, because this podcast is so broad and open in its scope at looking at it they get so confused if I do anything besides just be like yes a lifeguard should have got him. I mean I've said that fucking a hundred times for crying out loud but we need to regroup this as how would this improve the situation? It would not improve the situation. Lazar is dead and it will not improve that situation. But this stronghold that I see that the athletes think that they have on the community, this is causing unnecessary pain and dissension and something that really is just a health and a lifestyle phenomenon it's lost

its way so so there you go Paul where do I vote for this you don't need to vote for it I'm gonna do it a $1,500 a ticket. You're out of your mind. Well, maybe $2,000 a ticket. You know, it will be a five-day event. Maybe $2,000 a ticket. I understand people. Some people will just think that that's too expensive. I understand. There's lots of you. There's lots of these. UFC gets complaints all the time for their $10,000 tickets. But listen, they still sell out. Listen, that's not important. Out of my mind, in my mind, it doesn't matter. I think $1,500 is probably low. I said that just, I think we're getting closer to $2,000. Is this true or sarcasm talk? I don't get it. Sorry, am I missing something? This is true. This will 100% be a family event and the tickets will be $1500.

It makes complete sense. I'm reading into this and I think this is facetiousness. And my response is to you, apparently not your family. Because the affiliate owners, the husband and wife and their four kids, can easily go to the games or they can sell the tickets to someone else and those people can go to the games or they can sell the tickets to someone else and those people can go to the games and it'll be a beautiful exclusive event and And and that's just the way it is that that that it's that's how unnecessary it is

It's like buying a Gucci bag. It is completely unnecessary And so if we're going to do it, it's going to be a very special exclusive event except For our affiliates for affili, it's going to be a very special exclusive event, except for our affiliates. For our affiliates, it's going to be a boon. You understand? OK. But I understand there's a lot of, like, you know, people who they don't have a growth mindset or they don't think, oh, how can I make money or shall I sell candy bars for this or shall I sell a blow jobs for this? And I understand your limit in your thinking. Make us go back to church next I don't understand that. Never happen money talks. I have no idea what that means. Can we do a brisket eating

contest at the community event my wife would win easy yeah I could probably win that too of course. This is pretty well it kind of like separation of church and state CrossFit games are an expression of CrossFit not the definition that being said it's poor marketing from CrossFit perspective but NBA players don't sell basketballs they sell tickets and shoes they have no real marketing plan with all of it to make athletes make CrossFit relevant rich Scott Panczek and the old guard were all tied to CrossFit now not much what a CFL one and the entire top ten male female at the games maybe five total team had more, but it's not premier and forefront.

I'm not sure what you're saying, but yeah, there's not gonna be a separation of church and state. This is going to be, this is an affiliate event. That's all it is. If you're having trouble getting your head wrapped around it, it's an affiliate event. It's all it is. That's all it is.

Yes, oh, Sevan, you know that CrossFit started with no affiliates? Casual arrogance. I don't think you need to tell me my CrossFit history. Unless you're Greg himself, I don't think that you need to tell me my CrossFit history. Wads posted online for years, people at home and zero affiliates. And affiliates came after. Also, the games are not for affiliates anymore. It's a fucking international sport now.

And so this, so this is the problem right here. You guys get this? It's a fucking international sport right now. No, it is masquerading as an international sport It is actually a subsidized party with a bunch of fucking brats participating in it that they think is a sport That's a subsidized party You have no idea what you're talking about I appreciate it but you can go through your own events We are going to crown the fittest in the world through the affiliates

It's still going to be the largest participatory Participatory sport in the world it's still going to be there's still going to be validity No one no one anyone who thinks are the fittest is still going to try to do it But the road is going to be through the affiliates What the fuck are you talking about? You can do the open in your garage gym since forever not anymore Not anymore. Not anymore. Are you deaf or stupid?

So nobody will attend the games. The games will be a sellout. But listen, if no one does attend, it will not matter. The affiliates will no longer subsidize and be held hostage by the games. End of story. No pros will show up. Correct. Who cares?

Who the fuck cares? The problem with this person is they're still trying to hold on to something. There's nothing to hold on to. It's done. So nobody will watch amateurs from home. Oh yes they will because they'll still be the best in the world. Dumbest shit ever? No this is the dumbest. Take a vacation, Sevan Clown. Okay fine. Oh by the way, your stupid games you would be unemployed soon. I am unemployed already.

So this is the, there will be carnage, there will be, you know, a culling of the herd and these will be them, but they'll come back too because they'll be desperate for more of what it will become. I'm telling you, it's still gonna be fucking world-class fitness How does this solve any of the recent issues? It doesn't Lazar's dead That's that that's the issue Lazar Jukic died And it will not solve that issue. You're at you're absolutely right. It will not solve that issue I am NOT Jesus Christ himself. It will not solve that issue.

But I will tell you this. I will tell you this. The athletes arrogance around so much of what they're saying and these fucking up in the air statements that they're saying, like we need change or I heard a time that Dave wouldn't let a fat person be a referee or just this nonsense shit that people are pulling out of their ass. Bo-bye. That's what will change. The arrogance from the athletes? Adios. The quality of character of the participants will skyrocket.

Let's name names. It's not all bad, but lots of this sounds terrible. Yeah, I mean, it all depends on what you want. If you care about the affiliates, it's fucking amazing. As a CEO, that's what I care about. Jail for you. As CEO of HQ, I'd move CrossFit Sports Division to a model similar to professional tennis. There is no model that sustains CrossFit.

Map Girl, fat people shouldn't be refs, they are a hazard. You know the most dangerous thing I've ever seen at a CrossFit event, and I see it every year at the games, is someone obese wheeling out deadlift bars and not being able to control the bar because they don't have the mobility. I see it every year and I saw it this year. It's wild. As there is no model, there is no sustainable model yet. It needs to the games when you I'm knocking the games back to a Woodstock type event. And then from there, we'll see where it goes. We're not going to be held hostage by sponsors anymore.

No one's going to dictate what we show on TV or don't show on TV. No one's going to dictate what the demands for the media. None of that. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. It's just a fucking amazing party.

The people who want to attend and be there and I'm telling you if you've been there, you'll you still want to go there. You'll figure out a way to go there and you'll get there. But the but the affiliates first you have to remember that the games would have the If you've been there, you'll you still want to go there. You'll figure out a way to go there and you'll get there. But the, but the affiliates first, you have to remember that the games would have the same point weight as rogue, invitational throw down. No, you're, you're sorry. You're lost. Uh, not yet.

Maybe 20 years from now, blah, blah, blah. From a hypocrite who doesn't go to an affiliate and just make money from CrossFit and was fired by the founder. Uh, so I do not go to an affiliate, which does, which does I don't know how that makes me a hypocrite and I will tell you why I don't go to an affiliate because I don't want to allocate the time in my life and it's not something I need and so if you call me a hypocrite for that fine but I've never I've never said I go I've been to more affiliates than most people I've paid for affiliate fees for years because my wife attended affiliate I've been to shit loads of affiliates my mom goes to an affiliate I do not attend affiliate and just make money from CrossFit I do not make money from CrossFit and I don't need any money from CrossFit.

So this guy so far, he's a pure retard, and was fired by the founder. I actually wasn't fired by the founder. I was made rich by the founder. I was not fired by the founder. I was fired by Eric Rosa and Andrew Weinstein. Let me guess, you found this clip at random, not a Sevan subscriber. Give me a break, troll. Oh, thank you. Is this a spoof or a chant? I can't find this anywhere a great Castro is gone. No Castro won't be going anywhere

Let's go. That's just good business sense. Yep lame No, if you if you think so, but um, you know, you'll be trust me. You'll be trying you'll be like man I got to get two thousand bucks to go to the game Bet you a ticket on it. That's your ticket on it Some of this makes sense, but to be honest, most affiliate owners don't care about the games. No, listen, diggity.

Some of this makes sense and to be honest, most of the affiliate owners don't care about the games and I'm with you. They're in it for different reasons. Good, perfect. Love, love it. Amen, exactly. Yes, sir.

All of it makes sense. All of it makes sense. All of it makes sense. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, I don't care if the, like, perfect. Don't use it. There's lots of resources CrossFit HQ has that you don't use. It's fine, don't use it, I'm with you.

But it's not but, to be honest. It's and, to be honest. Yeah, good, they're in it for a different reason, great. Honestly, you don't need prize money for anyone the title Fittest on Earth will lead to so much internet money. Yeah, and the prize money may get for a different reason. Great. Honestly, you don't need prize money for anyone. The title, Fittest on Earth, will lead to so much internet money. Yeah, and the prize money may get taken down to zero. Who knows? But just for preliminary announcements now,

I'm letting you know at least in half. A little blip, yeah, try and make that idea fly. I don't remember exactly what he's talking about. I don't remember what he's talking about. I feel this. I think Sevan's an ass, but this is correct. Okay What should I write to this guy? Your mom has a sweet ass I'm done doing those. Okay CrossFit is dead dude really think the L1 is meaningful heck the L2 and pointless comment

This is someone who's bitter. I bet you if we read I bet you this person's bitter. I Just think cross it put a nail in the coffin. Most of their revenue comes from Masters. No, most of their revenue does not come from Masters. Most of their revenue comes from seminars and affiliates. Now Masters gets nothing. See this person doesn't get it. It doesn't matter anymore.

This person's like, you've completely missed the point. I think CrossFit put a nail in class and most of the revenue comes from Masters. No, it does not. You're thinking about the open money? That's just a fucking blip, dude. Now Masters get nothing? Yeah, they get nothing. No, you know what they get?

They get a party thrown on their behalf with a world-class run event where they can go compete against other people. Well, that's going to drive away the best in the world and the guys who are juiced up. Fine. I'm cool with that. We're cool with that. I am fine with that. It means nothing to me and to my mission, which is to drive the relevancy of affiliates in the world. There's no incentive to compete at games. It's all expense for masters, especially no revenue for bad decision of CF. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, who cares? Then don't compete. Then don't compete. That's it.

DEI is dead. It's CrossFit HQ. Praise the Lord. Yeah, we'll be, one by one, we'll be removing them. Except if you're from the military not except if you're from the military but the military personnel here's why okay I'm gonna tell you guys this this is gonna be crazy do you know why you do you know why we were gonna put military members to the top does anyone know why does anyone know why it's not that they get

hired first, but their applications go to the top. You want to know why? This is fucking crazy that I'm going to tell you guys this. Military men and women. Free security. No, not a bad guess. Okay, here it is. Military men and women when they come out of the military are eminently capable. They're crazy qualified to take orders and to run things on their own initiative. Also, they have the perfect blend of that. And they're singularly focused on the job at hand. They understand orders and chain of command and responsibility. But that's not why. You ready?

They come out as the most capable people in the world, but they're the most insecure people in the world as they enter into society. They don't realize how great they are they don't realize how task oriented they are they don't realize that they're capable of fucking anything so what we're going to do is we're going to bring them in and use those skills because when they're insecure they're going to even work twice as hard and And twice as obedient and twice as task oriented. Get it? It's like it's just fucking it's like it's a genius move.

But you also get the the clout, the brand value that you're helping veterans. Yeah, Rangers, Seals. Yes, others. Yeah, all those guys. Those guys are fucking world class and they come out and they think that they're fucking incapable of anything, but they're not. They're just they're they, you know what I mean? They're the exact opposite.

They're capable of everything. So what you do is in that weak state, you'll grab them. You grab them. That's it. That's the reason. I know it's a little, it's a little, uh, it's not a little, it's highly manipulative, but it's, but it's still genius. Uh, make this happen.

I'd be glad to apply to lend my experiences medical medical provider back to aroma sure clickbait No, it's not clickbait games athletes never reflects the crossfitters since almost everyone does fitness for health and works a regular job I love the old CrossFit games, etc. Yep. Absolutely making CrossFit less woke again. Yep purpose of cutting prize money in half It's to not I don't want the I don't want the, I don't want anyone to be, we don't need to be accountable to sponsors anymore at all. We don't want that. Those days are over. We don't want the shoe guys, the lube guys, the protein guys. The only person who should can tell us what to do is rogue. That's it. That's the only one. It's just rogue. All day rogue. Rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue, rogue. That's it. Just rogue. And if other sponsors want

to dump money on it, maybe we can work something out. But we're not going to put it in a situation where we're scraping every year to increase the prize money and panic and feel like we're letting people down and give people a chance to complain. And that'd be one of your checkpoints. Prize money hasn't increased in three years Mason Mitchell, how many affiliates have you been to this year in 2024? I don't know if I've been doing affiliate this year. I know I can picture myself doing like pull ups and shit and affiliate. I haven't gone and taken an affiliate class for this for sure this year,

but I've probably been to, I don't know, four or five affiliates. Mason Mitchell, how many times have you talked about the importance of affiliates or how to video affiliate video contest or run affiliate videos this year? I'm just curious. What podcast do you think pushes affiliate people the success of? Oh, yeah, yeah. I've been to Suza's at least twice you're right I've been to Suza's twice I've been to a handful of them I just can't remember I'm fine if it's zero though too I don't care I don't care I don't think that I like why did why the fuck does it matter if I go to a fucking affiliate like if someone explained that to me why the fuck does that matter?

Fucking 52 i'm raising fucking three kids i'm doing my shit. I will tell you this I will tell you this starting in september. My kids are taking their own private We started a home school class at one of the local affiliates And I spearheaded it How about that motherfucker? So i'll be taking my kids to an affiliate starting in September with a bunch of other homeschool kids and that that affiliate making a shitload of money from from those kids. So take that, bitch. I did a workout with poor boy.

Yeah. And then I went and I just fucking filmed an affiliate. I just went to an affiliate and filmed a video And I would not fucking was up at Craig Howard's filming a seminar God fuck you guys fuck you Mason fuck you any you were saying that shit. I don't care. Okay, so that's it So anyway, you guys get it most most of the comments are just people who don't get it like it You may have a point like we're gonna lose the pros. Who cares? But then the masters won't be making any money and it's all their own pocket. Who cares? It just is what it fucking is. If you're only doing CrossFit to compete, I'm not worried about you. If

you need more competition, go to your local competitions. That's it. That's it. Alright. That was a good trial run. I need to do that without saying fuck you to someone in the audience. I'm in the DMs with this fucking guy who says he loves the show, but he says I've become so arrogant and combative andative and I yell and I and I anyone who has a descending opinion. I yell at it's like Haven't I always done that I've been open-minded and yell. Oh my god. This shit is I saw that I saw that Barry McCaulkener It's it's insane

It's insane their posts are insane they say nothing do you want me to nothing. Do you want me to bring one up? Do you want me to bring hers up and just, just eviscerate them? I don't know how to do it gently and with compassion. Like you know, I'm trying to be compassionate and gentle, but they're not saying anything. Fine. Leave. Bye bye. No, you guys go look on your own time.

It's embarrassing. The games athletes are embarrassing themselves right now. They're absolutely embarrassing themselves. It's pathetic. And now what are they going to do? Now where are they going to go? Now what event are they going to go to? They're still going to show up at the games, except for the ones that have to go now what event are they going to go to they're still going to show up at the games except for the ones that have to go work at the shit plant the water

treatment plant or the ones who have to fucking go back to their job as being the director of the local Kennel Club that puts animals down animal shelter except for those guys All right. Love you guys. See you tomorrow morning. What is tomorrow morning? Do I have Tim Murray on tomorrow morning? Speaking of games athletes.

I have the champ on CrossFit Games champ on tomorrow. Tim Murray. Look at that. Look at that. Tim Murray also affectionately known as tater tot. Matt Suza has a show on tomorrow at 11am. Thank you guys for hanging out with me tonight. Oh, uh, Travis. Oh, Tyson Bajan's coming on Friday. Holy shit. Perfect. We have a schedule for Friday at 8 30am Pacific Standard Time.

Wow. Oh my God. Friday's going to be crazy. Dude, Friday, Chris Cooper's coming on. Listen. Listen about Friday is going to be crazy. We have Chris Cooper coming on. Do you guys, does everyone know who Chris Cooper is? Chris Cooper's the man. And he just had a, Two Brain just had an affiliate gathering and they sold out. A thousand affiliates arrived. They sold out. They had to turn people away. They've already sold, I want to say they've already sold like 500 tickets for next year's affiliate gathering. I'm so stupid. I'm so stupid that I haven't gone to that. I need to go to that. But the state of the industry report, the surveys are out. And that's the survey they take where they survey like 15,000 gyms

and then they put out that beautiful pamphlet. So he's coming on. I'm going to talk to him about that. I'm going to ask him if he's seen this kind of turmoil in the community before, ask him if he recognizes it from some of the patterns from the sale with Rosa or the getting rid of the media team or Floyd 19 or the different times we've seen these big hullabaloo's it's gonna be oh Matt Suze I really want to be on that show yeah I really want you to be on that show too that's gonna be great that is that's the that's the community's great that's the affiliates

greatest resource to brain I think like 90% of their stuff is for free is that to catch the predator guy? No, it's how to make your gym successful guy, but good guess. Anyway, so Cooper at 7 and then we'll take a small break and then we'll have Tyson Bajan on. That's gonna be Friday's gonna be great. Wednesday, Greg Glassman. Man, last week was crazy. He was so fun last week. He was wild. Oh Oh and then Thursday we have Vic Asaf coming on. I don't know where he's from I met him at the games one-armed dude competing in Wheelwatt. I think he might be the fittest man alive with one arm.

We'll find out Thursday. I'm gonna hammer the uh I'm gonna go berserk with the adaptive athletes I want to try to get Gracie Walton on too I I'm what's happening with her and her Damn, my eyes are getting fucking squirrely. Alright, um, oh, uh oh, what's this? Text from my wife. Man, the Democratic National Convention is hilarious. The audio has gone out like three times. For some reason, it seems like obese women seem to be like the highlight of the convention.

It's wild. Well, and a shitload of obese men. It is what it is, but it is kind of interesting how they keep parading out all these people who look really sick. The first two hours were just all about COVID. One lady came out. She's the Lieutenant Governor. Well, you guys heard me talk to Charlie about it. The Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota came out, Patty Flanagan. And she ran away in the middle

of the speech. And I wonder if it was because she was lying. Yeah, it's a diabetes convention. It's bad. And the viewership numbers are so low. Oh my God. I watched it on Fox, AP, and on ABC. I was trying to go back and forth because they're having such audio issues.

So I was like clicking through the different ones. Did you invite adaptive proven athlete? I will tell me who it is. I'll invite any athlete. I want to just say, I just want cool. I just want cool athletes. I just want cool. Like just, you know what I mean?

I just want cool, cool dudes. Yeah, it's sloppy. Anyway, oh, I bet you Biden's going on soon. That's going to be awesome. All right. Anyway, I'll see you guys tomorrow morning, seven a.m. Pacific Standard Time. And eventually I'll do I'll wait a couple more days and then I'll do a whole show answering questions about how the games is going to go on moving forward. See if Daniel Brandon will come back on the show. I don't know. I'm not doing it. I'm going to do Gracie Walton.

That's my... I'm just going to slowly... I'm edging. I want to slowly come back into the games athletes right now and anything like home runs with them. I need to I want I want to fall in love with them again, maybe maybe a Dal and pepper Jason Hobb maybe rich frowning you have rich frowning on That'd be nice. All right

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