The Sevan Podcast - CrossFit Games Update Show - Games Location for 2025

Episode Date: December 15, 2024

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dining. Oh, nice. John, we're live it, please send somebody else. From the bullpen. Anybody, anybody, pinch hitter. Got a bunch of good topics for you guys today. If anyone wants to call in, ask Bryson Del Monte or Bill Grunler questions. Bill Grunler, look at,

Bill Grunler's camera looks like it's from 1990. Look at opposed to the look at he is the 1990s porn look and bryson del monte has the gamer look look at him he's like looking off to the side with the yellow room all you and uh i don't know what the fuck look john has john young welcome to the show what's up elvis's a long-lost brother What's the first time I've heard that you're timeless looking dude, you're timeless looking You could be from any genre I'll take that Oh look at Bryson went wide Bryson was way up close and looking like a fucking gamer

What what's that? What's that show where you can just go live and meet random people? That platform? Omegle? Yeah, you look like you're an Omegle. Like, meet young girls on Omegle. I always tell Taylor that's what he looks like. He looks like the guy who just sits on Omegle and jerks off and waits for somebody to show up. That sounds gross.

The name of it sounds gross. Barclay! Good to see you. Yeah, it does sound gross. What did you do on Omegle? You know, I Omegled. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. Barclay, good to see you. Yeah, it does sound gross. What did you do on omega? Well, you know, I owe Megal I Sounds like yeah

Barclay good to see you, dude. I feel like I haven't seen you around forever. Good to see your name in there Yeah, that was our show dude. That's why oh he's abandoned me. All right, fair enough His parents probably don't let him if this shows just the R rated version of your show. That's true We don't know what's on this show. That's why what'd you say? You don't need earmuffs on this show. That's true. We don't need earmuffs on this show. That's why. What did you say? We don't need earmuffs on this show. That's why. Right. You're right. Okay. We've got a bunch of topics. I wanted to let you know tomorrow, Kil Taylor's $2,000, Paper Street Coffee is bringing you that. It will be at 630 a.m. Pacific Standard Time. Look at John's like maybe I really am gonna call in to to grand And there will also be some special deals

The paper Street coffee will offer during the one hour that we are live Last week one is a thousand bucks. It was our first time ever where no one called in No one should feel obligated to call in so there's's that. The distinguished gentleman from... Where does Willie live? Please tell me Minnesota. Home of Tim Walls. Please tell me you live in Minnesota. Please. Good evening, Mr. Distinguished Gentleman from Minnesota. Bunch of cool stuff. I am bugging... Something else I want to tell want to I have been bugging Dave for several months to come on and He's actually answering my calls again and chatting with me and I've been bugging

Jenna Hocka over there at the chief marketing officer over at a CrossFit Inc to get Dave on So hopefully that can happen in the next hour Maybe he'll come on this show to the next, you know, month or two. Got a bunch of questions. We had David Chek on today, the director of the CrossFit Games documentary. Great movie. I really enjoyed it. I'm glad I watched it. It was interesting. When I was interviewing him today, I don't know if you guys saw the interview, but he did say, I said, Hey, do you ever have any problem with feedback from the internet? It seems like we're old and we have like thicker skin. And he said, well, I watched this Hyler video review of my Mike Hiller. And he's like, yes.

And he had watched Andrew Hiller's video, which was pretty cool. Wow. So the movie's doing great. Hit number one on iTunes. I'm sure it'll kill when it goes to Netflix. That will be interesting. Do you guys remember when we first went to Netflix? Bill, you probably remember when we first went to Netflix, we actually got a little bit of a little seismic activity. Yeah. That was, dude, that was a big, when that went down like that, Yeah.

It was like our whole space was like, we made it. Yeah. We're going big. And then all of a sudden it goes from that to seeing, you know, the word CrossFit on like, The Simpsons. Yeah- The Simpsons. Yeah, the Simpsons. What was the other one?

A couple times. Family Guy. Family Guy, yeah. Oh my gosh. What's up, Chase? I saw the Family Guy one today. It's funny that that got- It's serious?

Yeah, yes. Just scrolling it was on there. Yeah, that took us to like 167 countries basically overnight. And for those people, you know, maybe it doesn't, maybe it does, maybe it doesn't get people into the gym, but what it really does is get brand recognition and starts getting the story around. That was the same thing with when we went on ESPN.

I'll never forget, I was working out in a hotel room in Kenya and the ESPN was up on the TV set in this little shit gym that they had there. So it's cool cool stuff. John, I wanted to check in with you. What's going on with the Grid League? There were you know we were joking around that you were gonna be in Grid League. You seemed to be excited. You were looking for some sponsors. You were trying to figure out which outfits you were gonna wear. Then there was a little bit of a hiccup because you gave some publicity to the Grid League and I guess you were just passionate about your observations about Grid League and maybe it was more passionate

than they wanted brought to Grid League. But what ended up happening? Yeah, I don't think they were ready for that. So you're not going to Gridley? No, no, no, no. I think I'm still, I think I'm okay. I just don't think we'll be trying to give it more publicity on our, at least what we were not covering.

If we do cover it, it'll just be, you know, what I'm doing, not, not so much like the whole sport. But John, we're going to go crazy. just be you know what I'm doing not not so much like the whole sport. John we're gonna go crazy. I hope so. The John Youngs fan base is gonna go fucking berserk when you compete. Well they're not like that I don't know if they'll be for it. I honestly I want that I want to be like the stone cold Steve Austin then and I'm like they don't like it but there's people that like it and that I'm gonna ruin I'm gonna ruin the league for

it. Oh my yes. So, essentially, I think I'm okay. I had a talk with the commissioner yesterday, and there's an owners' meeting, and if everybody's okay, then I'm allowed in. Good God. Yeah, no, I feel you.

But I'm training for this. I'm, I'm, I'm yeah, no, I feel you, but I'm training for this. I'm, I'm trying to get strong. I'm going to make a run at four or five. I would love to clean four or five before the first match, which is on Memorial weekend. And I want to be, I want to be like the best thing they've ever seen. As far as like whatever the strength stuff they do, I want it to be untouchable. And that doesn't mean like our team is going to win because it's more of a team thing, thing they've ever seen as far as like whatever the strength stuff they do I want to be untouchable and that doesn't mean like our team is going to win because it's more of a team thing

but hopefully I'm good and if our team's good it's going to be really really fun okay and if you because everybody's going to hate me for it I'm going to be the best one everybody's going to hate me if you want to be sponsored by uh see if you want to take a shitload of peptides I don't think they can test for them they don't and I'm not doing CrossFit. Give me all the drugs you want. Okay I'm kind of joking with that They don't test over a grid league I don't think so man why would I don't why would they be worth it? I don't I don't think to be Their specialist they want they want

The people who are really good at one thing to do that one thing right and there's strong men that do it there's crossfitters that do it there's some gymnasts that do it it's not like it's not like CrossFit okay let's talk let's get you a peptide sponsor some bpc some cjc some melanotan make dark. I'd have to, we'll talk about it. I feel uncomfortable doing like real drugs, but. Yeah, these aren't real drugs. This is, yeah, this is, yeah. When, when Hiller injects this shit into him,

his fucking TRT laughs at it. It puts, slaps the peptides around. Okay, so when would your debut be? Memorial weekend. When is that? I think May 31st. Yeah. That's Memorial Day. Okay. And you're still doing the open? Yeah. Yeah. I'm still trying to be fit. I'm trying to be strong too. But like- That's good, cause you need that. Cause you weren't strong before at all. Well, but I have, wasn't trying to be that. So I'm really excited cause I'm, I'm trying to be now. So I'm excited to see what happens.

When was the last time, when was, well, I'm sure your parents are stoked about that. When was the last time you were really trying to get strong? Like the last time when you're like, I don't know, I'm worried about being fit. I was from the South. Okay, like two, two and a half years ago, maybe. Oh, okay. That wasn't that long ago. Three years ago.

Okay. Um, two and a half to three years ago. Uh, Matt Sousa, I'm not talking about CrossFit until HQ makes some serious changes that everyone else agrees with so I can call it light CrossFit again. Don't be so mad Matt. Oh there were some weird moments in the in the there were some weird moments in the interview with the director of the CrossFit Games documentary today David Chek. Boy there were some weird moments. I asked him if they were going to come out with the uh 2024 documentary and he said he would do it but he wouldn't take

money for it. That I couldn't understand that Fucking it all for like so basically so you're gonna do something to promote the sport and work your ass off But you're not gonna take money for it And I asked him why and if he could explain that to me intellectually and he said no it was more of a feeling And then he said that he wouldn't do it until there was change He's like what the fuck for? wouldn't do it until there was change. Like what the fuck for it was weird. It was a trip. Okay. Velner did a media tour. Patrick Velner went on talking to the fitness. He went on coffee pods and wads. Was there anything for me the the two things that stood out was that he is he has not

said what he's going to do. He has said that he hates online competition. I think that that's been, I think a lot of people feel that way. I don't know if they hate online competition, but they hate the thought of something that was in person now being online, right? I've never heard anyone complain about the open being online, right?

Never, not one person. And so- I give less, I don't trust it. I think that's what it's, I think they're worried, like he would be, any of the athletes would be worried about whatever sort of shenanigans might happen within the walls of their own gym. I mean, not them personally, but like there's a bunch of cheaters out there. There always have been. And I give way less value to it.

I don't care what somebody does online at all. I'm not impressed at all about online competition. But there's never been a complaint about The Open ever being online. Right, just the first year, but I mean since then no one's ever been. It's accepted. But it has to be. first year. But I mean, since then, no one's ever been. It's accepted. But it has to be. It's... Yeah, there's no other way. Yeah, it can't not. And probably because it's so easy, even with penalties, there's so much wiggle room for

the best guys that there's no chance they're going to hack. But I don't think it's that they don't trust it. I think that that is a... I think that that's a sideshow and a smoke show. I think what they really want to do is they just want to compete in front of people. But I mean, I think Pat's referencing on the online semifinals, not so much the open. Of course, of course, I agree with you. I'm not saying that he doesn't. But what I'm saying is that there's a disconnect. The fact isn't that you're really worried about the judging. The fact isn't really that you don't like online. The fact is that you put in all this

work and you want to compete in front of people. If you had never competed in front of people before for semi finals or quarter finals, you wouldn't be asking for it now. What you're struggling with is going backwards. I don't believe that. In their eyes. You don't believe that? Okay. I don't think that an athlete is an athlete isn't a like an actor or an entertainer. So they don't have to be like, I'm doing this so that I can get in front of everyone and showcase the skills that I've been working on. No, they just wanna win.

And when it's live, then you have real time judging and you have subjectivity that can happen. They can kind of either play in your favor or not. And so you can do that where if I'm going and someone is next to me is going, then I'm hoping that they're judging, that our judging is not gonna be skewed. If it's at home online,

then you always have what's the transition space gonna look like, what are the angles looking like, are they going deep enough, are they being judged enough? And then even if the video goes to HQ or however they decide that they're gonna do it this year then Was it judged correctly? There's a bit of a game day player type aspect to it too. Like when you're actually racing somebody it is different than Online I know I know like I don't

On my side of the competition. I don't know my side that falls on my side of the competition. I don't know my side of that falls on my side of the fence of the argument. That there's a there's a build builds putting more weight in terms of just the judging and fairness. I'm putting more weight in terms of what you're saying. I think apply though. I think for athletes like Velner, it almost the online stages almost feel like unimportant to them because they're always going to make it to the in-person ones. And I think they feel like their season starts when they get to the on or when they get to the in-person level of it. And now that's just the games. So and I don't say this in a derogatory way. What you're saying is it's kind

of beneath him and that he's already paid the dues to deal with annoyance. Yeah, right. Yeah. What do they say? The 1% and none of the good guys or good athletes that are there are really even worried about the 1%. Yeah. Right? I mean, what's the 1%? That's like a thousand something people. Like those guys aren't gonna have any shit. And the only thing they would be worried about in an online stage is something like the step up thing last year. But only the ones who suck are worried about it because they

don't stand up all the way. That's something you should be doing at that level anyway. So if you know, if you're worried about that, then just move better. Well, and it's, I don't think that's where you have to have the that's where the programming comes in to the judging and like those two things will play hand in hand. So like, if you have something like the step ups, like that was a programming error. Like you should have known that like if you're gonna have a movement that

everyone is gonna be shorting the line, then you're gonna be doing that with everybody and that's gonna be a pain in the ass. But that I think that ties in with the first point though is that it's it's almost a formality for them. The online stages they're always gonna make it through. So why would you not move well and maybe not win the workout in your region or whatever, but you still qualify to the next stage rather than trying to go so or trying to move shitty just to get a couple extra reps to win the workout. And then you get a major penalty because semi-finals isn't like that.

Like it's online semi-finals. Right. But quarterfinals and Stanton's, they don't like that. Like it's online semifinals. Right, but I'm talking about quarterfinals and Vellner standing up. He got a major penalty and almost missed semifinals last year. What Bill is saying is that the problem was in the programming and the symptoms were the shitload

of variance in the calls. 100%. And you make programming that eliminates that at that at that stage There's no benefit for being virtuous when you're racing like in your movement like you just need to move whatever the limit is that they're gonna give you and you're gonna you're gonna ride that Line as much as you can to go as fast you can like that is what the vast majority I'm not talking the guys like rich that just move impeccably anyway or

Taylor that moves impeccably anyway, but if you're looking at any of those other the majority of athletes that are out there they're just going fast and they're gonna ride the line as much as they can and when you have programming that allows for a range of motion skewing like that, that all the athletes are gonna do or that standards aren't set a certain way or that certain things aren't thought of, then you're gonna have a mass issue

and it's gonna, and it'll get ugly. It'll get ugly. But I think you could fix that with programming stuff. I really think you could fix a lot of that with how you set the programming. I just, I don't think that the step-ups were a programming issue because it's binary. It's hip extension or not.

And I don't think the, I don't think the penalties were like wishy washy or like some people got ones and some people didn't. I think you think they weren't standing up. Yeah. People who weren't standing up, got them. People were talking about like, Oh, you know, they never said that your head had to be an extension, But any athlete that we heard about who got a penalty for that was not for that. Every single person I heard who got

a penalty was for not standing up all the way and not getting hip or knee or both an extension. So it's a yes or no. It's the same like hitting depth on a wall ball. Did you hit depth or did you not? It's a binary thing. I don't disagree with you at all. But if that's like saying that Fran is a great workout to put in a qualifier and it's same thing. It's binary. It's did you hit depth and did you get a full extension but because it's so light and so easy, you're going to have these athletes that will ride the line so tight. Not not not saying that they're trying to

cheat that they just it just it's it's faster. We'll miss it. They're trying to be faster. But I hear what you're saying. I mean, I agree. The penalties, you're right, were great. The, did you stand up all the way or not? I get it. I just think that that was a,

the debacle in that was that it forced the best athletes that we have to where you had to really inspect every single movement on every single rep for every single athlete. And that's too much of a workload for HQ and the judges that are watching that on the videos, I think. Off topic, but watching your interview with Chek was a masterclass in interview and getting them uncomfortable and then back on site, thank you.

Okay, and the third thing that I took away from watching the talking elite fitness podcast was that They'll it sounds like that there's a there's this there's I think that there's a little bit of a conflation of ideas that are Going on athletes are trying to figure out whether they should do the CrossFit Games or not Whether they should do the open or not and it seems to be a bigger issue than ever this year. It used to be just like whether you were injured or ready, but now there's some like maybe some other events that they might want to do or some, some reason

they don't want to do CrossFit because they don't like the judging or they don't like the fact that Lazar died for whatever reason, or they don't like the new CAC, CrossFit Athlete Council, whatever the reason, but there's some other unspoken like social reasons. But what's interesting is that Pat was, I think what I hear Pat was doing is he was trying to explain to the athletes, hey, and I'm curious what you guys here heard

who watched that podcast, hey athletes, just do what you wanna do. Don't stress about it, just do what you want to do. Don't stress about it, just do what you want to do. But what I think that they're stressed about is the fact that they've said all of these things online or to their friends and now the season is coming, right? There's all these people who express this frustration and is there going to be continuity between the words that came out of their mouth or their posts and then their actions moving forward now I agree with Pat like you shouldn't give a fuck like like

If I'm Fikowski, I fucking come out of retirement and do the games again Like are you fucking kidding me? You had a fucking great showing at fucking rogue, right? and and There's a chance you can get podium, you know, you you look like you can still win the games I don't think that they should worry about that. Fuck what people say online. They shouldn't feel any pressure. Thoughts on that, on the psychology of doing the games from the athletes perspective? Do you think that that's a proper analysis or what are your thoughts?

Did you guys pick any of that up from Pat that he's trying to as the elder in the space be like, hey guys, don't worry about like what you said said or what's going on just do what you want to do go john go i think he's trying to sway people a little bit you do like like to not do it yeah yeah i don't i not a lot of it obviously it's like you do what you want but but there's some other stuff out here. You know what I mean? Like it's not, he's not telling people you should do this, but I do think he's like, I think you should look at everything

and I'm probably doing this other thing. It is, it would be hard to think that he would have another angle when we saw how he was feeling with the PFAA and what happened after the games last year and all the comments that he was in and all the podcasts that he was in that he wouldn't be like, let's rally up guys.

Let's all do the games again. I don't necessarily see that, but I do. I do. I think that that's a safe call. It's not that it's wrong. Do what you wanna do. I think that that's a safe call. It's not that it's wrong. Do what you wanna do. I think all athletes should be like, I mean, all the athletes that have been in and been out,

okay, cool, man. It's like your call, you get to do it. Do you run your race or don't run your race, whatever it is you wanna do. But that's also kind of a, coming from the stance that he was in, I think that was a, hey, it's easy. Let me help.

Let me just tell you right now, like everything's cool. So you don't need to if you don't want to, which is if you do or you don't, I mean, look what happened last year. Look at the divide between the athletes. If you stayed in versus if you came out, there was friction between those athletes, between the fans for

those athletes. I think that this is kind of trying to make it a little easier so that like, hey, everybody, whatever anyone decides, it's okay, which is totally what we're saying anyway. That's also always been the case though. No, a hundred percent. Like every single year of the games, if you competed, if you competed in the game season, whether that's signed up for the open or not, cool, that's fine. No one cares.

And so now just after what happened at the games and what him and Brent, you know, released with the PFAA and him saying that when that's always been the case and it's never had to have been said right now he's just like oh yeah if you want to compete at the games and you don't care about Lazar's life that's cool do you like that's what you think you think that's the sentiment yeah i mean there's no reason to say it otherwise no i think it was i think he's saying it because there's gonna be i i think he's saying it because there's going to be... I think he's saying like, hey, if you don't want to compete at the games because of your frustration with Dave or because you believe the bullshit that the PFAA is peddling, that's

your right. And if you want to do Will Morad's thing or Wada Pelusa or NorCal Classic only, that's your prerogative too. I don't think he's saying that last part, if you don't care about... You don't think Villanar is going to do the games this year. I think for sure he's going to do the games this year. Here's the thing, dude, as we get closer and closer, reality is going to set in. And the reality is those were just like really shallow, shitty, emotional third grader feelings

they were having. And the truth is, is that this is where their heart is, this is where it's at. They really don't have, I mean, they still can't tell you any real problems that they have with Dave or CrossFit. Like there's nothing. Like what, the rope was too long,

the one guy died in fucking 18 years. I mean, like what is your fucking problem? They always fucking pay out. It's always world-class. The refing's the best in the fucking space by far. The video presentation is second to none. The crowd is like, fuck. The coolest crowd that's ever been to any fucking event

in the history of mankind. It is, reality is gonna set in for those guys. And if not, they're going to have remorse. They're only going to look back and be like, fuck, I should have done it. It's just reality setting in. I think right after the games, when the PFA released all that stuff, I think that he was in a head space of, dude, if Dave doesn't get fired, then I'm doing something else.

Like I'll make my money at a bunch of other competitions, I'm not doing the games. And then I think probably a month ago, it was like, man, I really think I shouldn't do the games. But like, I don't know. And I and then in a one month's time, it's going to be like, I got to come up with the reason to tell people why I'm doing the games to make it seem like I still want Dave out. But I'm, I'm choking. Like I need to, I need to compete at the games. That's what I do. That's what I am.

Could you imagine like how I don't think, I don't think it's that deep at all for Belner. You know what? I don't think it's that deep at all for Belner. I think it's solely, I think for him, it's like, how do I make the most money? No, dude, no, because he tries so hard to get people to think he thinks like that, that it's like clearly not the case. No, I think he doesn't like Dave and I don't know, Velner at all. I'm not trying to put words in his mouth. I don't I don't think he likes Dave. I think he wants Dave fired.

But I also think it's how do I make money? I think he does a job for him. Yeah, he doesn't like Dave and he wants Dave fired 100%. But dude, from the very like his rookie year in the games documentary, the whole every time he gets interviewed, he's like, No, dude, I'm like a chiropractor to like, I don't really care about this. It's like it's like someone saying over and over again, how much they don't care about something to like convince other people

that they're cool and like nonchalant. And it's like, dude, you really fucking care about this. Go ahead Bill go ahead and say what you're gonna say and then I'm gonna read this question. No you can go ahead and read it. Mel he never asked for Dave to be fired. How many times are we gonna get that wrong? Does anyone want to take a stab at this or should I go with it? I don't care. I'm going to go anyway.

So if someone wants to go first, go ahead. I'll just say every name at the bottom of that picture with all the words asking for Dave to be fired, asked for Dave to be fired. Every single person that he's reading this to are all doing it. If the PMA demanded for Dave to be fired, Pat is a part of that. Okay, let me translate for you. Let me translate for you. What she is saying is that they've only asked Dave to step away from the sport he's created

and ran for 18 years. That's what they're asking. They're not asking him to be fired. She there's a nuance there that she believes is makes what we're saying incorrect. That like he could still stay working at CrossFit, running training or having some other job. Fire from the games. Yeah, fire from the games. Would that be better, Mel? Fire from the games. It's the CrossFit games update, Joe.

Fire from his current position. Right. Yeah, yeah. And just like when I call someone the asshole who in California who programs the CrossFit games, I'm not talking about Dave Castro either. I mean, I think it's a bit of a stretch now, but I'll give it to you.

I'll give it to you. Can I read a comment from Pat Lange? Sure, is it the very bottom one? It's the one above, it's this one. Okay, oh wow, look at you. Bryson is correct, Velner is also a huge baby and always has a problem with the programming. This is exactly what I'm saying.

If you don't care about competing and you don't like see yourself in your own eyes as a games athlete, one, you wouldn't tell people all the time that you're so much more than that and all the other stuff, but also when you get cut after Mary, you wouldn't, or get cut after the sprint or whatever you got cut after that year, the sprint or Mary, you wouldn't get cut after the sprint or whatever he got cut after that year the sprint or Mary, you wouldn't be complaining about it drunk at a bar that same night, like

in the games documentary like oh dude that's so stupid you know whatever you like and you're like shit face like you you care it's okay it's cool to care. It's not that it doesn't mean anything to him. I'm not arguing that I think it means something to him I think he cares I think it's cool to care. It's not that it doesn't mean anything to him. I'm not, I'm not arguing that. I think it means something to him. I think he cares. I think it's, it's, it is his life, but he also looks at it as, oh, I have multiple opportunities to make money. Now, why would I not do that? I just games is still a part of it. I think that if you were going to be one of the loud voices about disrupting what the CrossFit Games is and you are one of the faces of all the demands that are all that are that are being said and you've been out there speaking about all of these things and you show your how you felt at

the games and all of the things that are going on, to be able to circle back around and actually hop back into the, hop back on the bus of that just seems weird to me. Like, you're making a statement about your values, cool, whatever your values might be, but then you're gonna like completely go flip the entire thing and go, well, okay, I'm gonna go right back into it, whatever the reason, I want money, I don't know what else I'm gonna do. Maybe I'm not as good of a car practice I thought I was or the the thing isn't going as well. I don't I mean, I don't know I mean I If you're a car practice like he doesn't need to do this. Let me give you some examples bill Let me give you two

Let me give you two examples and you tell me which one this falls under I'm not doing the games next year. Okay I do believe that Disney harbors pedophiles and that they have some serious problems over there with Nickelodeon Disney I think there's some really weird shit that goes on over there. I took my kids to go I took my kids to go see Moana to today. I gave money to the machine I do believe this same thing with Google. I think Google has some serious issues and yet I stream on their platform YouTube Now let me give you another example of someone who, so there's an inconsistency there, right? Like I'm disgusted with that stuff, and still I participate in their economy and I value the resources that they provide.

Let me give you another example. The women who have shaved their heads and say they're not going to fuck their mates, guys who voted for Trump. Now they are true like I'm making money however little it is for Google and for Disney, right? So I'm like actively participating and there's an inconsistency there. Those women who are shaving their heads and not fucking those dudes no one cares. Like they're not impacting anything. No one's fucking them anyway. Okay. Well someone is but you get what I'm saying. So my point is that And I'm trying to put some things are you not gonna do the games because you're afraid that Dave Castro and the games Teams run something that's so fucking bad that your life is in danger

Or are you not running the games or you're not gonna do the games because you're just so upset because the moment of peace Was only one minute long or you so upset at the games because when they asked Luca hey Luca Do you cares if the games goes on he's like I don't care do what you want and Dave presented it to him like they had the blessing. Like, because whatever you, and then what's the outcome you want? Because we know if you get him fired, the games are going straight down,

straight down the shit or they're headed towards, towards these other shit shows that we've seen. Caller, hi. Hello? Caller? Hello? Caller? Hello? Oh hey, sorry. I'm gonna try to make this, I'm gonna try to make this fast. I'm working out now, but... So sorry we interrupted you, sorry. No no no no no no no no no. No, y'all are talking about some good stuff and I just wanted to comment. So I think these guys, these quote unquote pro athletes, if this is how they're

going to act, I think they should just get lost, you know, because the rest of us, we have a really good opportunity, like the truck drivers and the firefighters, like the way CrossFit started back in like, oh, eight, oh nine. We could like we, we could save the sport and give it back to the people like the way it used to be, you know. All right. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the thing.

It doesn't, it doesn't, it they're in there. They're doing the games or doing not doing the games is like me going to Moana is my point, like, or, or it doesn't matter. You're it. Yeah. If they, all they're doing now is games is like me going to Moana is my point like or or it doesn't matter your Yeah, if they all they're doing now is giving podcasts like me something to fucking make some coin on at night other than that There's really no and then probably some of the new people at CrossFit HQ are freaking out like probably dawns freaking out or something Like thinking that the athletes have actually any influence, but those of us in the know are like Jesus Christ. This just makes for great shows Yeah, it's just drama. I think it's stupid. Yeah.

But I don't know. I think... Well, thank you for participating in it because it's fun. Awesome. Stupid fun. Thank you guys. All right. Thank you.

Go ahead, Bill. I was going to say, I hear what you're saying about giving money to the machine when you know that the machine is kind of dirty. Yeah. But like, that's $20 that you aren't like the big, you aren't one of the big names of the space is trying to actively protest against the things that are going on and then come right back around and go, what, you know, I, I, I'm very upset at all these things. It's super unsafe.

We've asked about this is super, um, you know, they don't listen to the things you're trying to do. They aren't trying to actively help the athletes. They aren't doing any of these things. But hey, I'm going to still jump in because what I think it's okay for me to do it anyway. Like, that's what I mean about the value, the value part of that. So and maybe this is just me, like I'm looking through my own lens, like I am very big when it comes to loyalties. And when you are loyal to a particular, either a sport, a team, a person, an ideology or whatever, like you are standing for that. In the second you start battling against that, like you wanna change what it is, then you aren't loyal to that anymore,

which is fine if that's how you choose, but to actively take that stance and then go right back to right where it was and be like, okay, but I'm back in. Like really? I'd be like, why are you even here then? Like you don't wanna be here. You don't like the setup that it is.

So you're in here to do what? Like if it is just about money, then go to Will's thing or go to do what a Palooza or whatever the things are. But like, do you, they actively didn't think that it was finding the fittest anymore. All of the issues that they had, you know, I just, I don't know. I just, I just think, I just think that that's weird. I would have myself, I would have a very hard time. Coming back. We campaigning against something and then hopping right on that bus

and riding along with it. Interesting. So you think he won't do the games next year? I'm not saying that I think that he won't. I just say that if he does, that would just be a weird look to me. Cause I think he'll do the game. So he'll get seventh place and then retire.

I think he'll do the games and it is a weird look. Bill saying you go to your girlfriend's house. She's getting railed by another guy. You tell her to fuck off. You take your home key. You go back home. And three days later, you come back and you're like, can I get one more piece of ass? And he's saying, no, I ain't fucking doing that.

That's fucking weird. Yeah, that's weird. I wasn't worth it. I'm not doing that analogy. That one really kind of. No, I had no problem doing that. And that's where we differ. I have no problem doing that I was highlighting it. I was highlighting it had nothing to do with what happened at this year's games

Like said he was asking it was long-standing. So let me tell you the things that I've established that are long-standing. It's the biggest participation by a magnitude. There's no comparison There's no second place third place fourth place. So CrossFit Games since 2007 The look like any one year of the CrossFit Games participation It's you pick the year after 2009 is more than all of the other competitions combined for all the years They've been around. So let me just state that okay, so it's the biggest It's the safest with the number of participants. It had. It's the safest. It gets the most eyeballs. It generates the most revenue.

It makes the most money for the athletes. It has the best programming. It has the best equipment. It has the best schedule. It has the best judges. When you say that there it's been a longstanding problem, how come no one will say what the fuck this long-standing problem is? In every metric that you measure it, it has the documentary. All the documentaries.

Have you ever seen like Dubai's documentary or any of these other fucking documentaries that come out for the other events? Come on, man. It has the best bodies. I don't buy the long standing problem either. I think about, you know. It's wild. It's just. When, you know, Chris Speeler is cramping

and both of his legs walking backwards in Pendleton and 13 miles left to run. And then I think. We're testing for the fittest. All right, I think freaking, you know, Velner himself jumped off of the cargo ladder and had a whole bunch of problems wrong with his lungs and continued to do the whole game So he was like no don't let me out right?

Cara Cara Webb at the time about to pass out doing Murph And still did the games and it was never a problem then ever nobody ever talked about safety Nobody ever talked about Anything like safety. Nobody ever talked about Anything like that. Nobody had a problem with Dave everybody was still you know what I mean, and then I find it very hypocritical that now it's all about that because Was our dude when they were at the ranch Dave had to like make shit up to act like it was more dangerous than it was Like oh oh yeah. Sharks in the water.

Yeah. Sharks in the water. Although, um, what's his name? Did it drill? Yeah. What's his name? Did get drilled by a jellyfish. Who is the guy?

Uh, the black guy, uh, trained with Garrett and God can't believe him. I'm Maddox. You're Maddox. No, Maddox did get drilled pretty get drilled pretty bad by a jellyfish. Caller hi. Hey, how's it going? And Poison Oak is Ron Rampit.

Hey, what's up, dude? You sound familiar. I have called before. This is actually my first time calling. Okay. Do I know you in real life? No, no. I'm just the fan of the show.

Okay. Of the CrossFit part of the show, you know. You're from a foreign country? You sound foreign to me, bro. I am. I am Nigerian. I'm just the fan of the show. Okay. Of the CrossFit part of the show, you know. A foreign, you're from a foreign country? You sound foreign to me, bro. I am. I am Nigerian. I'm Nigerian, but I live in Indianapolis now. I've been in the US for like 10 years.

I hear your Indianapolis accent. Okay. So, like, I kind of side with the CrossFit athlete on this a little bit, right? I think it's like, it's essentially saying they've been trying to, like, why did they start the PFA in the first place, right? There's these things that we've all been complaining about, not just CIP concerns, it's like, whether it's judging on the online stages, the cross-fade format,

they want more in-person competitions, they want more opportunities to compete, there's like, they've been, they've had issues with the games for a long time. And it culminatesates or it ends up being this thing where it ends up and someone dies at the games. So it's like, we're not happy with the relationship that CrossFit has been cultivating, especially Dave Castro. And Brent Ficausi detailed some of that in his post about the games where they knew they're going to

be going to Dallas. They know it's going to be super hot. They try to ask CrossFit, hey, what are the like, how many events are we going to expect to be doing outside? Things like that. They asked these questions and they didn't get any, they didn't get the appropriate feedback from CrossFit. There's also the fact that CrossFit has started multiple athletes organizations to get athlete inputs and it's never gone anywhere. Right. And so if you're an athlete, you've been competing in the sport for a long time. It's a relationship ultimately. It's a relationship. I know you think it's like, oh, it's crossfit. They can do whatever they want. But it's ultimately a relationship. We participate in this sport. And we need to have a relationship where we feel like

we're being heard. We feel like our input has been taken. Ultimately, no one knows what it is to be the athlete except the athlete. So I think it makes sense that they want their voice to be heard in some part. And then you don't hear the voice. You ignore them multiple times, multiple times, and it culminates in someone dying in a colossal way. And it's like, are we not going to do anything different? I think it's not unreasonable to ask. And it's like, I think they didn't go do a good job in asking in their demands. I think you're correct. They were probably emotional at the time. But I think it's not too much to ask that there should be some sort of change.

There should be some sort of let's have input. And then they come out and they say, okay, no, we're going to make our own athlete organization. I think that's kind of like... I'm a big fan of Dave Castro. I love him. I love the gimmick. I love everything. But when something really bad happens, when Boeing crashes, crashing planes and something has to happen, you have to have a drastic change. It's only fair for athletes to ask. And so I feel like we're not really listening to each other. I feel like, again, it's like maybe like, I'm sure like if you ask someone like Brent Pekowski, he can detail moments where he's trying to communicate with CrossFit HQ and they've not

given him a good response. They asked for how much time are we going to spend in the heat? Dave Kassler didn't answer that. Like they said, we're like, it's like, and it's like, ultimately that culminates in like so many games. And it's like, we're not going to do anything different. We're just going to keep going the way we've always done things. And that's what I think it is. I think they have... If you've been competing in this sport for so long, they have legitimate reasons to feel like the relationship between the athletes and the business and Dave Castro has been strained. I love Dave Castro. I really hated that this happened. But I feel like, come on, you got to give the athletes something. You

got to make them feel like their voices are heard. And it's like, I guess I'm not an happened. But I feel like, come on, you got to give the athletes something. You got to make them feel like their voices are heard. And it's like, I guess I'm not an athlete. I don't know what the details are. But it feels to me like we've all been sitting down here on your show and playing about different things that CrossFit could do better. Whether it's the distribution of athletes at different regions, things like that. And they never make any changes. They don't seem to listen to any feedback and like it happens and then something really tragic happens And we're just not gonna make any changes. I feel like I get where the others are coming from long story short. Thank you Hey, so the things are you're saying just real quick and thanks for calling

Judging the three examples you gave are judging better judging more competitions and more more information earlier about the events? Right, right, right. Those are the things that come to mind, right? If you go to the PFA's Instagram page, Brent Fikowski had a post where he details, before he makes a demand, he has a post right after the games, he has a post where he details times they try to communicate with CrossFit. And I think it's, he mostly focused on the 2023 season, but he has times where he tried to communicate with CrossFit and like they didn't get a response back. And so in some cases they got shitted on.

So if you want to pull that during the show, that would probably work. Just bear with me here. Instead of me pushing back on those three elements, which I would love to do, let me just take something that you said. You said, no, basically people should listen to the athletes because no one knows what it's like to be the athlete. Okay, I Would I would then ask you this? No one knows what it's like to put on a big event like this and what it costs and how far ahead it is Out of the curve than any other sport that's that's like this. So did you feel me like that on the other side? So the resources?

All right, all right brother. Thanks for calling. Thank you Um, I just want to say I just want to say this really quick about nigerians because you got to say this about nigerians Uh 61 of nigerian immigrants have at least a bachelor's degree compared to 31 percent of total foreign-born population nigerian immigrants have make on average More than the general u. US population second generation Nigerians 71 fucking percent of them have fucking bachelor's degrees This is my one of my girls is Nigerian Yeah, they are they are that is an incredible fucking culture if you see a black physicist or a black doctor a black astronaut Anyone it's like that's a fucking Nigerian. Anyway, I just wanted to say that

or a black astronaut or anyone. It's like that's a fucking Nigerian. Anyway, I just wanted to say that. It's funny. She's an engineer. Giant, giant cocks hog size off the charts. But the problem is, is that all the things he was saying was the exact same thing that Brent and Pat were saying. It has been going on forever. Things have been happening. Okay. Like details. Well, we're not able to give the details because that's not our story. Okay, like details. Well, we're not able to give the details because that's not our story. And I also want to say you can't base big changes on vague statements. You just can't because then you don't know what you're trying to fix. And what it ends up being is we're saying things and because there are things that have happened, you need to listen to us now about what we're saying. And there have been improvements in the judging.

The specific instances too, I don't like the heat thing. I don't like when people bring that one up. It's gonna be hot. We're gonna be outside sometimes. It's gonna be hot. Those are the, if you want change, when he says, oh, something bad happens, you need to change something,

what a horrible way to change something about the games is like the worst way to do that would be to fire Dave Castro from his position. I agree. The best way to get something done is get with the man who was in charge when something went wrong because things are going to go wrong when you're testing for the fittest people on earth. And he knows how to do it better than anybody else. And he knows how to fix it. The grass is not greener. Right. Caller, hi.

Hello. Caller. Go ahead, Caller. Would you like to speak, Caller? Oh, no. I don't have you plugged in. Sorry. Now, Caller.

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. No, I just had a question. You know, I'm listening to all this and I'm hearing, you know, CrossFit side, I'm hearing the athlete side.

And I'm wondering, like, what motivation does CrossFit actually have to listen to the athletes? Like, how much pull do the athletes have in this whole situation? You want to take a stab at that, Bill? I have a lot of opinions on that. Personally, I don't think they have any pull. Like if I'm putting a race on, come and do my race. Like I don't get to go to a triathlon or a marathon and say, well, I'm going to go do some ultra marathon in the Sahara desert. But you know what? You got to make sure that you guys all carry like umbrellas with us. Like you can't, you're stepping into the arena.

You know exactly where it is. If you are an athlete that goes somewhere and I'm even even when even when they when they did mirth and Carl Saunders is all coming in doing the Stevie Wonder thing, you know Because she was all out and Annie had you know heat exhaustion and it was hot I get it I get it But the thing is that if you are an athlete and you have a coach and you're a professional athlete Then you know the arena that you're stepping into. You are going to be very well versed in everything that could happen, might happen so that you're

ready for it so that you can compete. So like, I just, I don't, I don't think that they should have a say about the race that they're going to be in. The games isn't a moneymaker. And so it doesn't matter who goes there. So if you think that Brenton, they have to they should ask themselves this. If Brenton Pat think

that they're not going to do the games and Adler thinks he's not going to do the games and that it's going to somehow draw people away from going to their local affiliate, then they would have some leverage. If they can't affect the bottom line of people affiliating or

going to CrossFit Inferno, then they have no like zero leverage. We're two years away from thinking Austin Hatfield is the greatest fucking CrossFitter who ever lived. Sports of what have you done for me lately? No one gives a shit. Like there's these rare exceptions. He's doing the games.

There are these rare exceptions like Rich Froning. But other than that, you know, you know, and Josh Bridges, if you don't stay close to the mothership, then you will disappear into obscurity. Thank you, Collin. Good, Bryson. The games isn't a moneymaker, but it is also in Dave's best interests and the whole games team's best interests to keep the athletes safe and to run a safe event. Totally.

They still have to, you know, Right. That's a really good point. Yeah. They're not interested in fucking killing people or having to judge. They're not interested in it. No. Yeah. It's important that the athletes are the ones signing up and they can choose to not compete. But also, like when you're choosing to compete, you have to understand Dave's trying to make the event safe. He wants everyone to finish the test so that you can test for the fittest on earth. Do you remember the two years that they did the obstacle course? The one that Pat fell off the top

but his lungs were all jacked up. Even the really high one where they were trying, they were basically having athletes trying to flip over and Dave had to like come in when they were warning them like, hey, no, don't do that one. And no one was tied in. There were so many opportunities where an athlete could have landed on their neck and been paralyzed. Not one person said anything about it being dangerous. Not one athlete said anything about it being dangerous. In fact, Dave was the one that stopped everyone from doing the army flip over the top where

like you just kind of get on your stomach and you roll over the top. Right. They wanted the element, but they didn't want it to be unsafe. But that's the thing. It's like there's, there are going to be inherent risks. And what you said, Bryson is totally true for them to, for them to put an event where people are going to die in it. It's like that, that does nothing for the sport at all

It's like when people thought there was home cooking around Steroid tests like you couldn't be further from the fucking truth. Like they want to catch people go ahead caller Hey, what's going on Sivan long time listener first time caller. All right so I I've been sitting on this for about six months now and I finally decided I was going to call in and say something. So if you go back to the beginning of the game, this is the whole idea of it was it's a celebration of fitness and to find the fittest on earth. So with that being said, we've grown the sport and we've watched the athletes consistently

dissociate from the affiliates. They become soft and they forget that people can get hurt and die in any sport and that there are consequences for every action we take in life. And it's become to the point where it's turned political, where it's like, we're going to demand this because of an action that's just a repercussion. When we refer to Lazar dying during the games this last year and not being able to compete as adults in the side of tragedy and we just lose sight of everything that we're trying to go for. My favorite part about true nutrition is the ability to customize my own supplement.

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But people go to crossfit gyms to get fit, right? So you go there to get a nice body to lose weight and be healthy, right? And then when you're there, right when you're there what happens is you get personal accountability and responsibility, right? That's what you get there. That's like the thing you notice right away. I need to show up every day. I want to see my friends. I want to do good. My score is going to be on the board. I don't want you... So you get accountability. Then what happened in 2007, 8, 9, the people who were the best in the gyms got a new level of accountability. They could jump in their car and they could go to a Romus,

and they could go against the best guys at all the different gyms. And they represented their gyms and they got personal accountability and responsibility Knowing that there was gonna be this competition at the end of the year and that's all it was It was just like a pop-up. It was more like a pop-up affiliate with a week some weekend workouts Would you say that that's true bill? That's a good Yeah explanation, but then something. It didn't become that. And by 2010, it wasn't the fittest guy at your affiliate. It was... No, I agree with you.

Yeah, but that ties into what I think you were saying. It's just another sort of a paradigm to think of how we shifted. It's not John's the fittest guy at CrossFit. What city do you live in? Cady. CrossFit Cady and he's going to the games. Now he thinks of himself as a games athlete. When before the first three years, it was just the fittest guy at your gym went. And he got accountability. And then you supported that guy whether he was bad or not. Yeah. And it's not that anymore. And I'm not saying that that's a good thing or bad thing. Right. And I acknowledge the fact that the sport

is going to grow and it's gonna turn into that. If you look at baseball, if you wanna be a professional baseball player at this day and age, you have to start when you're three, four, five years old. My son's five years old, he has a hitting coach. That's not gonna help him, just so you know. I'm gonna tell you right now, the the the

the the the the the the the the the I'm like, I got a bag of big league shoe and I'm playing in a little league game. This is the greatest thing on earth.

So you're going to see that evolution as far as, you know, athletes are going to take it serious. They're going to get sponsors. They're going to take it outside of the gym. However, I do think they've gotten to the point where they think they mentally are on the level of, you know, LeBron James and athletes like that where they think they're on that importance level where they think their voice has that level to reach out so you have the Belner's and the Pachowskis that do that and they think that because they say something it's going to happen versus shut the fuck up

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Not even close. Please. You're fucking broken hearted. You're hung up on the vaccine. You're hung up on the vaccine. I'm talking about as a person. Is he critical of the NFL? Like in terms of safety and shit like that?

Aaron Rodgers is like the most narcissistic person in the world. Oh, is he? Yeah, he's like a really terrible person. Oh, interesting. But I'm, you know, you be you. But like, are you like him because the vaccine thing? But like, if you talk to anybody that's like a fan of football, it's like a running, he ruins franchises.

Well, he's not the only quarterback. He's not. Who does that? Right. Interesting. Okay. Any final words on that? I got some, I'd like to hear you guys' predictions on some stuff.

Okay, here we go. Let's talk about who's going to host semifinals this year. I have a couple, I think Chafee will for sure do it. French Open has been around forever. I think he works at CrossFit, a big event. I have no inside knowledge. I have to guess Mayhem would do it. You'd be stupid not to let Mayhem do it, right? Especially during this political climate. Get rich on your side. Right?

Any other, what do you guys, what do you think about those guesses and anyone else you think that might do it? You know what? I don't know. Rich would be a really, really good one and an obvious I think that would be an easy win. I don't know if CrossFit would do it. Would let Rich do it, you mean? I don't think that they would. I don't think that they would join up.

I mean, like Rich is doing. I don't think that they would join up. I mean, Rich is doing... No, the way I think the model works is you just pay money to them and then you pay them $50,000 and then they let you qualify two people for the games. Isn't that the way you understand the model? No, I get it. I hear what you're saying. I just don't know if they would. Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying. You pay and you're in. It doesn't matter who you are.

But wait, but listen, so you, this is my thinking, Bill. You have these athletes like from the PFAA who are like, you know, have some disputes with CrossFit and want to push back on the season, but you got this fucking Goliath, Froning sitting there, right? Biggest name in the fucking sport, most affiliates, most programming, all that shit. And you'd just be like, yo Rich, you want to throw a semi-final and qualify people in your little fucking Chinook, your little town, Cookeville? Here, here's a couple, go ahead and qualify.

You know what I would do? I would make all, I would just have one qualifier and let Rich do it in Cookeville. Make everyone from all over the world come there. It honestly, it would be sick. And dude, Rory would be like, I got this. I'll do it. And like, they just use, they just use all of Cookville. Like there's like a mountain run. You know what I mean? We like travel 30 miles down the road. Yeah, that's it. Just do, just do them. Just do it all there. Why not? I mean,

I think it's out of Cookville. Yeah, I think it would be awesome. I just don't I just don't know. I think that Rich is too much of a force and CrossFit wouldn't be I just don't see them doing something like giving Japan nukes or something like hey, we like them and they haven't done anything bad. But let's not forget what they did last time. Well, I mean, I wouldn't put it that political, but yeah, but maybe, maybe. God, I think it's, oh, well, who else? Daniel Chafee for sure, right? I don't know if he still works across it, but he has that big event there. He used to be the European de Koonz, right? He was in charge of affiliates over the pond. That seems like a slam dunk. I could see those. I think the ones, if you start getting into Europe.

The French Throwdown. Isn't that? Yeah, that's the one I meant. French Throwdown. That's Daniel Chafee's French Throwdown. Yeah. Any others? Any others you can think that might be bidding for? Wadapalooza? Maybe Lowlands. What about like Wilson Pax? Well, that's the thing. We don't even know if he's gonna do his. Right. Right.

Do we? I don't think they make his a semi-final though. Here's the here's the, so I text, I text them. So when they put out the thing, the way I interpret it was, how many people are qualifying through the online semifinals? 15 to 20. Okay. So let's say it's 20 and that there were going to be, let's say it's 15 and then another 15 we're going to qualify from semifinals. And so they were going to distribute to those to semifinals to anyone who paid them money. Like you could buy a license and

they're basically going to be like, go ahead. And so you're going to send them 50 grand and they're going to be like, you have one woman and one man that can qualify. And it's basically semifinals. But the only thing different this year is that CrossFit's not, I'm assuming isn't paying for media or- How would you get to those competitions? Would there be a qualifier or would it be through the open? Like the top one percent? I'm guessing it would still be through the open, right? It's that top one percent. And then it's just anybody can come first, come first serve. There's 30 spots for the Mayhem Throwdown.

Yeah. But what I'm saying is I don't think anything has changed from the format last year, other than people can bid on having the semi-finals. That's, that's my understanding. So what I think, I think, I think they're going to encourage Mayhem to do it. They're obviously going to encourage Daniel Chafee to do it at the French Throwdown. Those just seem like just smart moves. But where are the others going to be? Oh, look it.

Mar-a-Lago should have an event. That would be amazing. Can you do multiple if you're an athlete? Yeah, and I think you can do multiple. I mean, I don't know. I was hoping you guys knew those rules more than me. I just know from what came out. We don't know anything. No one said, yeah. No one said. I don't think you should be able to do multiple. I think you should don't know. I was hoping you guys knew those rules more than me I just know from what came out we don't we don't know we don't know anything

Oh, it's said yeah, no one said I don't think you should be able to do multiple I think you should have to choose Oh Torian Pro. I'm gonna say Torian Pro is gonna do one I'm gonna say those because those guys sell out there The reason why I don't think Wilson's gonna do it is because holy shit man. That guy worked his ass off Those were brilliant events, but they couldn't fill the seats, right? There's no audience. But Torian Pro. So, there's another one. That's a third. Probably Far East Throwdown. Showdown.

That's always the Asian one. Far East? Yeah. Does that one sell out? I don't know. It's Asia. Then Africa. Which one is theirs?

None. They don't get one. No one there can afford the 50 grand you got to pay. Like, I think you should be able to pay 150 grand and get three men in total. Yeah. I think that's a third. Then Africa which one is theirs none. They don't get one No one there can afford to 50 grand You got to pay like I think you should be able to pay 150 grand and get three three men and three women You think it's paid per I don't like that athlete that you have like seats that you get

Yeah, like here's what I'd like to so I sent them a text and I said hey I sent Heather Lawrence a text and David Tex, and I said, hey, I'd like to apply to get a semifinal. And the response was get in line. And then and then later on, I think Jonathan Ortega sent me the application. I didn't fill it out. Well, I'd love to throw a fucking semifinal at Greg's gym in Arizona, charge a thousand dollars for registration. So only 20 athletes show up and and and do it

That'd be sweet. Yeah, I think that's the way it's going down. Would you do it? Yeah, of course. Yeah, he'll do anything He's cool, but you don't think you don't think the CrossFit should charge money for that 50 grand or whatever whatever the mark I just make that number up but whatever the market can afford I Think it just depends if people want to play and I don't know if they do or not. It's hard for me, it's hard for me to say that someone should pay to do the work for CrossFit. You know what I mean? Oh but it's okay. You're paying that because people get to go to the games from your event. Okay I didn't view it like that I viewed it is you got this event that Blair Morrison and Ben Alderman put on insane event. They already do it anyway and

So then they can pay, you know $50,000 and draw more attention because now they have this their event becomes more prestigious I'm saying I would do it at Greg's house charge a lot of money for registration Hopefully break even to build subscribers for my podcast. I think that there's ways that people can Hopefully they would use people that can leverage right the the The what's not the notoriety but the prestige that comes to be the prestige, right?

It's like it's like a Kamala pain a Beyonce ten million dollars to speak for four minutes at the but again but again that's then paying to do cross its work so like they they're there however it goes when they decide who gets the spots or whatever it is whatever whatever it goes that way the prestige is already gonna be there because they have the spots and now they don't they won't have the spots unless they pay oh that's what I'm saying they won't have the spots unless they pay. Oh, that's what I'm saying. They won't have the spots unless they pay. Right. So you pay for the prestige for the spots and you hopefully leverage that to grow your event. Like that's the one that's, I mean, that's the reason why.

I mean, I get it. I just still have a hard time. It's like, okay, once again, like I understand what CrossFit is doing as far as like trying to cut back into all, you know, save some money on this stuff, but like, you're not doing the work and you need to make and you need to get money from someone for putting on your event and doing it for you to get people to go to your competition. Especially someone like Mayhem, like what does Mayhem gain from hosting a semi-final? Everyone and their mom knows Rich and knows what Mayhem is and watches their YouTube videos Yeah, but for him it's just to they'll sell a hundred they'll sell hundred thousand dollars in shirts and clothing that weekend

They do that. I think for them. It's paying it forward. I Think if they do that, that's yeah, then yeah, that's what it would be I totally see Bill's point. My only response Bill, everything Bill is saying is 100% valid and true. The only thing I love it because I would like the opportunity to do it because I think I could leverage it. I think I could find a sponsor, sell them a ton of shit and then leverage it to give my podcast, my YouTube station more attention. That's the way I think of it. But what you're saying still is true. I'm paying the... It's the Huck Finn thing, right? I'm painting the fence for them.

Well, and then the live competition, it's like you get to do your own programming, you get to run your own event. So again, you're paying CrossFit to run completely your own event. It isn't even a CrossFit event. Like you get to do whatever programming you want. You get to decide. I mean, I, whatever they, and they always say, well, you know, CrossFit we'll be able to look at, you know, whatever the, whatever the programming is to give it the, you know, the blessing of whatever, if they do that,

whatever that means. But I just, I just see, I don't know, it just seems weird to me. I get it. I understand it. I understand it. It is spots. I mean, maybe, maybe they just say, you know, they put it up on an auction block and they go,

okay, we're gonna go ahead and auction. I mean, in that case, I could see Rich saying like, all right, we've got all the money. Sure. We'll have the entire qualifier come out of mayhem. The entire, you know, live semi-final. You all got to come here. I had more money than all of you and we got we bought all of them.

I just rebuilt. I had this really fucking talented filmmaker who worked at CrossFit. Really fucking talented. Did the did the phony documentary come out in 2014? Yeah, 2014. Okay, that documentary that I think I've heard Tommy talk about it. He keeps saying that Heber and Mars made it. Heber and Mars didn't make it. They participated. But the guy who made it was Ian Wittenberg.

He made that fucking documentary. He edited it. It was fucking insane. And Heber and Mars did the Frony one. We went into the, that guy ended up, me and him got into such a big fight that I had to basically fire him from CrossFit because his logic was kind of like yours. He basically said, hey, I'm never going to make anything CrossFit games related and let you guys charge for it. I'm never going to let it go in the journal behind the paywall.

I don't want to be involved in any movies. He said, because these videos are just commercials and Coca-Cola doesn't charge for their commercials. Why should you charge for your commercials? He said he viewed the games content as just commercials Now I disagree I disagreed with him, but but I but I understood his point. You know what I mean? Well, I think back then it was a commercial for CrossFit now, right? I mean and it still is just it still is to some extent It is to the name CrossFit, yeah. Right.

But I don't think there's a problem. If the Froning documentary cost $750,000 to make and 20 staff to make, and you charge $12 a pop to watch it on iTunes, I don't think that there's anything... I don't find any problem with that. I don't disagree with that. Yeah. Even though it's a commercial for CrossFit also. I just, again, this isn't a commercial for the games.

It's just, you're asking people to pay you to do your work. I'm asking my coaches to pay me so that they can coach at my gym. But they can also sell their veggie mix there. Okay. You know what I mean? I mean, that's the only- You're talking $60,000, man.

And you're like, how many t-shirts are you going to sell at that? Right. I mean, that's what you- for Torian Pro- In Rich, he's the anomaly. There is nobody in the space of any of the other competitions that are going to have That's what I mean. That's what you for Tory and pro rich enriches the easy anomaly There is nobody in the space of any of the other competitions that are going to have the pool that rich is going to have Well, the torian pro is going to sell out french open is going to the french throwdown is going to sell out those will sell out Right Those will have 5 000 fans that pay 150 dollars a pop on those semis is that is that's not team though, right? That's the only individual those are not I I don't know. I'm just making fans that pay $150 a pop on those semis is that is that's not team though right that's

the only individual those are not I don't know I'm just making it up as we go along someone said something about the taurian goes big because of all the people that come for the team events as well I thought it was just I don't know okay anyway anyone else you guys want to give out there was how we got possibly Mayhem, maybe French Open, Torian Pro, Far East. It would be cool to see the big ones that are out there now. I mean, Max, Syndicate. But those were previously subsidized by CrossFit.

You have to guess those are going away. Only reason why I'm giving Torian Pro a pass is because they sell out. Granite Games went on before CrossFit. It did? Okay. How many mayhem athletes wanted Dave fired? I don't think. None that spoke up.

Oh, Victoria Campos. Victoria Campos, yeah. Someone said that Rich wouldn't do it or mayhem wouldn't do it because it's a conflict of interest with Dave still being there there but Victoria Campos was the only one I could think of. Someone said oh someone said that in the no in the comments. No incredible relation. He might have he's kind of an I'm outer kind of a guy. Dude I don't know if he really felt that way I feel like he would have said something though he hasn't said anything either way.

Right. No, I don't. I didn't know about Royce. Yeah. He signed the letter. Yeah. Um, I think Dave has really longstanding relationships with Rory and rich. Like, like, yeah, like really longstanding. All right.

Um, what about, uh, what, what happened? Can anyone tell me what happened with the Lithuania thing? Can anyone tell me that story? What happened? What is IF3? I never even heard of that until this whole thing went down. What is it? International. Is it Fitzgerald's thing? Yeah. James Fitzgerald that doesn't. Yeah. It was the it was the idea of how can they make crossfit in the Olympics. Olympics, yeah. That's their strategy. And it... Oh, this is Gretel Hedlberger's thing? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I remember that now. She got disqualified because of her shirt, because it had political She got disqualified because of her shirt because it had political things on it And that was what it was Is that a boy or a girl?

That's a girl. I Need to do a cup check on that Her shirt says make Russia small again. This is from the barbell spin Which is just completely replaced everyone else in the space when it comes to written content. So what happened? She got kicked out because she wore this shirt. What is this?

This is in protest because Russia is trying to get bigger by fighting Ukraine. So this is trying to make them small again, like push them back into their country. I, I, you'd have to ask her, but that makes a lot of sense. Oh shit, yeah, look at Zelensky is wearing it. Make Russia small again. Holy shit. That's the Ukraine president. She later received an official letter from the IF3 formally requesting that she remove

her shirt and all photos on social media. She refused and was escorted out of the arena by security. The IF3 officials said the IF3 requires athletes to display integrity, sportsmanship and respect for fellow competitors and officials. What is the, um, yeah, what do you guys think about this? Do you guys have a problem with this? Make Russia small again? Would you kick someone out for wearing that?

I'm not Russian. No, I mean, I don't, I don't. Would you kick someone out for wearing that? I'm not Russian. No. I mean, I don't, I don't. But don't they make the, if you're a Russian athlete, you can't wear like the Russian flag and stuff, right? Couldn't that be interpreted? You couldn't at the games. I don't know about here.

You couldn't hear either because someone got in trouble in the same event. Personally, like if, if this is a big like if this is a big event, as they're wanting it to be, then the athlete should have a uniform that they have to wear so that you can't have your own, whatever comments that you wanna do that are gonna get someone's feathers riled up or whatever. Like you have your uniform and that's it.

And as far as like the flag thing goes, my personal opinion, I think that's bullshit. Yeah, I don't care at all. Yeah, here, look where it says background. Like that's where I'm from. I'm from Russia or I'm from the Ukraine or I'm from Germany or I'm from wherever. Like it doesn't mean that I am the political stuff.

I'm the athlete here from that country. And that's what sport, that's the entire thing that sport is supposed to be is politics stays out and let people just go to town on the on the on the competitive floor. Like let us race, let us fight, let us throw, let us lift, whatever. Yeah, yeah, I would let someone where the Russian, the black the black Israelites that are in fucking New York City, who train in Central Park, who say that they want to remove all white people from the country, they could wear their flag. I mean, if you can have a fucking Palestinian flag or a Hamas flag, why wouldn't you be able to have... Yeah, this is really strange.

I think you can wear anything, anything you want to wear. You, but these people are going with, um, this is for the 2024 IF3. That must be this, what is it? Something fitness event? International fitness, functional fitness. Federation. Yeah. 2024 CrossFit ripoff world championships.

Russian athletes were allowed to compete after the IF3 national federations voted in June 2023 to follow the world's most corrupt organization, the International Olympic Committee. Wow. Russian athletes are... ...athletes without flying the Russian flag or playing the national anthem. So if you're going to say that a shirt saying, make Russia small again is like offensive or non-sportsman like,

how is it? You could also say that it's offensive to not let athletes have their own flag next to their name on the leaderboard How does this how does this make sense? I don't understand this it says for 2024 if three world championship Russian athletes were allowed to compete okay, so oh So they were allowed to compete and then down here the recommendation was to allow athletes with a Russian passport to compete. Oh With an independent or neutral Flag, okay, and then Russia was mistakenly included on the athlete name cards of the Russian athletes compete. Oh, this is just a shit show So the announcers acknowledged the Russian athletes and they had their names on the cards as Russian athletes after they said that they wouldn't let them do that and they would have to compete neutrally.

Hey, so these motherfuckers are just a political organization, this Lithuania, this IF3. Yeah, I mean, that's how, what can you get. Hey, young lady, take that nose ring out for fuck's sake and get those tattoos removed for fuck's sake. Jesus Christ. Wait till we have the semi-final at Greg's gym and someone tries to compete wearing a transgender flag on their back. We'll see if it's fine. Listen, listen. I think Sevan would be fine with it. I think that'd be the first person Sevan would talk to. Listen, Trani up. Front of the shirt says triple boosted, back of the shirt. Sevan would walk up to that person and be like, how do you do the things that you do?

Did we keep a defib bite? Yeah, no, I'm perfectly okay. Trani up. Keep it out of the elementary school. And I love you to death. Okay. So Lithuania CrossFit Games documentary. Any of you guys see that yet? No, I have not.

Are you going to watch it? Probably at some point. Okay. That's a no from John Young. Bill Gruner. I still have to watch Deadpool. So I got other things in line. All right, low on the list.

Mr. Bryson Del Monte. It's low on my priority list as well, but... I heard somebody talk about what it was and they were like, it's just a recap of all the events and I've watched all the events a million times over. Would you think it's Devon? I loved it. I fucking loved it. I loved it.

I sat down for 15 minutes. I liked it. I watched it with my kids. My tear ducts turned on once. You were the one who told me it was just a recap of the events. Yeah, seriously. No, I didn't tell you that. I'm just joking.

I didn't say that. I didn't say it was just a recap of the events. I thought it was good. I talked in detail with it with Hiller today offline and there were some things that he didn't like about it He thought Tia's play. It's hard to say that I don't like It's hard for me to be neutral about it because I was there and I saw so much and I can bring so much to it It's like when you read a book and you go to a movie Even if it's a shit movie, you still love it because you can bring all that shit to it

But it's beautifully shot it moves super duper quick You know didn't have my favorite people in it, but that's fine. I still enjoyed it. I don't know. I remember leaving Harry Potter 6, thinking they left so much out of the book and it kind of ruined it for me. Okay.

Okay. You just said it was like a book and a movie and like when they leave stuff out of the book and you still like the movie, like, and that's how it was for you. I'm giving you an analogy where I felt a different way. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of people feel that way. I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people feel that way. I think a lot of people, um, I think a lot of people don't like it when the movie's not true to the book, but I just feel like if I read the book, I can bring all that shit to the movie. Like in this movie, they don't go into the Luke Parker, Lazar Jukic, um,

Justin Madera's conflict around the bike race. And I would have liked to have seen it, but it was okay. I just brought in all my memories for it. Well, so then you met, so then you're saying that you made the movie awesome. Yeah maybe. Because you filled in all the you filled in all the stuff. All of mine. I'm just saying maybe I don't have a very honest maybe maybe my opinion is not that it's not honest it's biased. I could see that. I can see that.

Uh John Woolley um anytime anyone oh you don't know it's not okay he talked about Big Mama's earlier and I was like okay that's and he said John couldn't read yeah okay good all right good thank you for And I can. So take that. Alright. Alright, good. Funniest thing by far, Sevan, is you getting coal, I think, or whoever straight up sodomizing themselves with the bike seat. Oh, oh, I don't think I filmed that. That was funny right when he yeah, that was that was a nice shot That's a that's a biblical term sodomize Okay, rival game seasons Bryson

Any what do you know tell me some some secret shit, you know, I don't know any secret shit I just know will Morad is starting a fitness competition. That's supposed to rival the games. Rogue ran a great event. Well what's the secret shit you know, John Young? I don't think it'll rival the games this year, but I think next year it will be... we're definitely going to talk about it. Do you think it's gonna launch this year? Yeah, I think this year is just gonna be kind of a trial run

and then next year it's gonna be like, all right, we're gonna try to really be up against them. I think they're gonna try this year and have their heart completely fucking broken. I think that- It's gonna be- just I do that. I don't get it You're gonna try you're gonna try to read it's like you're gonna try to reinvent the wheel and say well We're gonna do it better how? Yeah, I think the only reason we would talk about them John is just because they're the only people who are saying

Oh, we're trying to compete with the games people who are saying, oh, we're trying to compete with the games. True, but if they have a championship at the end of their season and the winner gets $500,000 and every single person does it because of that fact, I think we're going to talk about them, true or false. If they pay them 500 grand, 100%. That's what I'm saying. We're going to talk about them no matter what. Okay, well then, I guess my question would be, or my concern about it is, it's just a competition.

It's not rivaling the games. Yes, yes. Yes, Bill, 100%. Yes. That went over my head. We're going to rival the games. No, okay. No, I don't think they're going to try to advertise and I don't know.

I don't know at all. I'm this is complete. Now we're we're entering in speculation. I don't think they're going to try to be like this is the new CrossFit Games or this is the new thing. This is the thing. It's just going to be like, oh, we're doing this too. Like you guys go do the games.

But we're all another opportunity as as Velner likes to say. So it's a win win for everyone. That's how I think they're going to advertise it. But if I think they're going to try to poach people the way live golf did. Uh, and I, and I honestly think people will just end up doing both of them. Yeah. If it is a lot of money involved, right? If there's enough of it's like if it's something like that. But I and again,

I don't think it'll happen this year. But I do think I do think it's going to happen where they'll have a big competition. It'll a lot of money at the end of the line. It'll probably be pretty lucrative for the athletes are like seventh to 12th placers, like at the games. You know what I mean? Because they're not really gonna have to peak the way that the games athletes are thinking, I'm trying to win the, they're not gonna do that. They just know they're gonna make a big payoff here.

They'll make a big payoff, maybe not the payoff, but a big one here. They can go to Dubai because they went to the games and they're gonna make a big payoff here. They'll make a big pay off it Maybe not the payoff but a big one here They can go to Dubai because they went to the games and they're probably okay that they could probably still go to rogue So they're just gonna kind of stay in that state of I'll be interested to see where they would even play something like that True yeah, you mean actually a location. No You mean actually geographic location? No, no. Because what's going to happen is you will lose if you're trying to, if you're trying to, whether it's consciously or subconsciously poach athletes to get the, you want names

in there. You can't have it too close to the game because the good athletes that want to be the fittest are going to go there. And then you're going to have the ones that like, I just come here to show my face and make some money. The Spiegel's or whatever that like, they're not trying to compete to win the games. Right. They just want to go over here and win some money because they can't. But you might have some people that like there's the games where everybody's going

to be there and then there's people that I'm probably better than over here. And if they think they could get paid more. Yeah, totally. You know what I mean? Like I and I feel like Jeff and Laura or right. The but again, I don't think they'll try to rival them like in that type of way like we're taking over. I just think it's going to be built as another opportunity and then I'll be interested. I feel like between Rogue and the games is the best scenario for you, but that's a lot Yeah

Yeah Either either way, I think it's a win-win. I think it's cool that something comes in the space I think it's cool that it tries. I don't think that there's enough room in the market for anything else I think that they're gonna have a fucking rude awakening I think it's gonna be like you get invited to a girl's house to go on a date and you look in the window and Some other guys on top of her in the couch like it seems like it's gonna be good. It's gonna get weird People are going to be disappointed that they spent their time over there instead of pursuing the CrossFit Games I think it's gonna be missed time for them

But it is it is I'm excited about it. It's fun energy in the space If people want to dump money into the space. I've seen the same thing happen with professional arm wrestling. It just fumbles around and every few years, someone really rich comes in and tries to like prop it up. Finally arm wrestling did get some fucking traction when they started being able to stream live

and they did start getting some, you know, some big money from Turkey and the Middle East. But CrossFit is an expensive sport to put on and the fan base is straight out of the affiliates there are no other fans besides people who go to the affiliates and If you if you don't have you if you don't have a community you don't have anything so This is a this what's really cool about CrossFit, I know I'm preaching to the choir, is the fact that you, I think this is one cool thing that David Chek mentioned today in the interview I did with the documentary.

There's inspirational sports and then what was the other word he used? Aspirational. This is an aspirational sport and an inspirational sport. Meaning when you watch it, you can go do it right away. It's always within your grasp. You don't need a football team. know football team. Yeah, yeah, you're you can always you we see Adler is one of those guys. 2017 he's fucking picking up fucking dirty, bloody rags off the field of the CrossFit Games spit rags and 2024 he's fucking the CrossFit Games champion or 2023. So can't do that in a lot

of places. And it's a it's a it's a special community. But I don't think these guys are... I wish them luck. I think it's real gambling. I think it'd be smarter if they put their money in Bitcoin. I think best case scenario, like literally best case, they end up in terms of eliteness and how we think about them, slightly above Wadaplooza and still under Rogue. But even then, that's a huge competition that's just come up out of the blue for- Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think that's literally best case ever. What did you say? Slightly below Wadaplooza?

Slightly above Wadaplooza, slightly below Rogue in terms of how we think about it, like in eliteness and of who wins it. God that's a huge compliment to the world. I mean that would be a complete win. That would be crazy. Like if that was the case I'm all for that. But I agree if that's what they're trying to do that's awesome. Like the more events like that the more fun it is to watch CrossFit year round, but I, but it sounds like they're trying to rival the games. Every every time every time there's been an event that that is created and they're like they have some sort of money that's backing them.

It's like you build this awesome car but you don't have the engine to really get it going. Like I mean what $500,000 to the to the winner. Okay. Yeah, that sounds great. You haven't sold a t-shirt yet. You haven't done anything. And I mean, like cool you have your high roller private equity people or whatever, your venture capitalists, your angel investors,

whatever that are all hot on cross. And they're like, hey, Will, I'm your second cousin and your uncle, and I'm your second cousin and your uncle and I'm gonna go ahead and throw all this money at it. Awesome. But like, if it doesn't go the first year and how many events have we seen that tried to do that and didn't do it?

And it was just because it was trying to go big on step one rather than building into whatever it was. Yeah. Let me throw something out there. I wanna roll this back a little bit. I know we're running late guys. You have Roman Krennikov who's winning the fucking games and you throw the bags over where you jump.

What the fuck were they thinking? Meanwhile, you have a swimming event. There's shit loads of swimming events that happened all the fucking time. The guy tested it the day before, but the reason why people are tripping is because he died. But relative to the stupidity, if you put them on the stupidity scale, what happened to Lazarus?

I don't think there's any stupidity there. I don't think they fucked up at all in terms of the event. Obviously it would have been nicer if there would have been More more lifeguards right on the scene, but anyone who's been around water or been doing research about water events That's how they all fucking happen It's a kid in the pool with 150 people in the pool with them and he fucking drowns in two feet of fucking water it's not it's not like There's nothing nothing new. There's nothing new in the Lazar Dukic story it's happened two weeks after the games in Spain.

But what you really have is you have an incident that really might be worth talking about, which is Roman Krennikov having to jump over where your fucking bags are. Is that not a part of athleticism though? I agree. I agree. But if you're doing it, swimming is also part of fitness. Right. He's not arguing one. I'm not arguing that

I'm not arguing one. We want okay. So so but but I mean I Don't know what the solution is there, but if you could figure out a way to put I don't think there needs to be a solution I think that's I think Roman needs to be more athletic. Okay fine you win I don't get any point. Yeah, I think the point is there is no solution You're just testing for the fittest on earth and that's and stuff happens There's some things that happen. Look at look at when they did the I don't want to reduce Lazar Like it's a tragedy. It really is but like with the Roman thing Stuff happens. Yeah, when you get off the couch you risk orthopedic calamity

Same thing. Yeah. Yep. Well said. Look at all of but if you say what you exactly down the line that you're talking about, Sevan is like we can talk about all the things that could have should have did happen at the CrossFit Games. People falling off of cargo nets, people tripping on ropes, landing on a sandbag, doing a lot of things like people tripping on ropes- land on a sandbag- doing a clean and- and- and- blowing out your ACL dropping from ropes and blown out your your

ACL doing jumps over the box and blowing your key like. There are so many things you cannot. Remove the crit the crit. All the really dangerous if you. Yeah had experience with that type of biking, that's probably the most dangerous things they've done. Not one. Dude, look at the mountain bike one that they did. Not even the crit.

How hard? Who was it? Who ate the girl? Maderas? People said Maderas might have got a concussion in the first event. No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a mountain biking. Or cyclocross, right. No, no, no. It was a girl too. No, no, no. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a mountain bike or cyclocross, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh my golly. She did one too. So the one who broke her arm and said that riding a bike was dangerous. Someone broke their arm at the games one year. Yeah. I think it was full Magali or broker. Lager. No, no, no, no.

This was individual. This was back in 2017. Uh, I go across to Neil Burr line Burrline was really mad at Catherine and she had like a whole skimped up thing. That was some fun. How many people speeded? John, are you on steroids? I am not.

Not currently. No, we're talking about it, but not currently. No. Do you take this as a compliment? Yeah. You have no zits, so I'm very impressed. I do have puffy nipples though. People like to point that out. Did anyone, has anyone, and do you think anyone ever will say that any of the bike races that we've done at the CrossFit Games is dangerous?

They're all dangerous. I've thought, well no, you're right, no one says it, but I've had, I think that they're, I've talked about it many times on the show. Yes. Thanks, Chase. I think they're incredibly dangerous. I think that whatever events they do in the future on bikes, people should only be allowed to go one at a time. They should be kill strings or something. I wish they would do a mountain time trial. She got so messed up. What did you say, Bill?

Say that one more time. I'm sorry, sorry. Chase put it up there. She ate the ground and like that ended her crossfit games. Was that the super hot firefighter chick No, that's chelsea gris grigsby. Oh, okay. Poor chelsea you I think you're beautiful chelsea Real quick, uh, have you ever seen bryson and taylor on the same show together have to show is them fucking fighting What are you what wouldn't we different disagree? Yeah, I don't know if we have time for today But me and taylor got into a crazy fucking fight the other day

Go ahead bill I think i'm done. I'm done. I'm done. But but the bike I mean the bike is dangerous. So like same, you know talking about Bags being put in the wrong place like it's sports man And like I think there are things that happen and all you can really do is try to mitigate to what you think the possibilities of injuries are going to be and and and and do the best you can to to prepare for that. I mean that's that's the only thing you can do. I don't think your nips are that crazy John. I've seen them many times. Yeah I don't think they're that bad that crazy, John. I've seen them many times. Yeah, I don't think they're that bad, man. Yeah, they're not crazy. Okay.

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