The Sevan Podcast - Dave Newman | RX Smart Gear CEO

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

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Damn, that's a crystal clear picture with a phone. Cool. Thank you, technology. Right? Yeah, seriously. You know, you'll see all these shows. It'll be like, what's the biggest thing that's ever happened in CrossFitter? What's the biggest thing that's ever, you can pick any subject. And no one ever says Apple.

But really, that's like the answer to 90% of whatever your business is. What's the biggest thing that ever happened to affect your business? It's like, that's like the answer to 90% of like, whatever your business is, what's the biggest thing that ever happened to affect your business? It's like Apple. You know, that's a good, that's a good point. We take it for granted actually. Yeah. Totally. All the innovation, the software, the connections, the ease of getting the equipment, the interfaces, it's nuts. It's, it's like, it's really is crazy. What a backbone to our, uh, like, especially someone's life, like, like my life, the backbone of it's nuts it's it's like it's really is crazy what a backbone to our uh like especially someone's life like like my life the backbone of it's like apple yeah 100 well soon it's going to be ai yeah and we'll see what apple does there too right yeah yeah 100 well good morning your gas is now two cents more expensive per gallon today thank you mr newsome uh gas tax up two cents per gallon. Now the state takes for every gallon of gas you buy in California, 60 cents goes to paying people to put on a tie, sit in a suit. And I don't know what they do.

Yeah, no kidding, man. No kidding, man. It's kind of crazy, right? It's kind of crazy. This does not seem like the time to raise taxes on gas. I mean, and the sad part is, I don't know about your situation. I'm going to project on you, but it doesn't affect me at all. Stay at home, dad.

Don't drive much. 52 years old, already have a couple rental properties. You know what I mean? I'm not the guy driving from Stockton to San Francisco who's in his car three hours a day. I mean, it's just nuts. Yeah, no, same for us. I agree. It doesn't it doesn't like affect us drastically. But I mean, I'm 55. I'm old school as well. And I yesterday. So I have a sprinter van, right, which takes diesel gas. And I drove to three different gas stations to save 20 cents a gallon.

You know, like it was just kind of silly. But I don't know. I just hate, we just pay so much more for gas than any other state, I feel like. Yep. And then our roads still look like shit. I just don't get it. You know, like where's all the money going?

It's absolutely crazy. I wonder what the plan is. And I know they haven't get it you know like where's all the money going it's absolutely crazy i i wonder how i wonder what the plan is i i and i know they haven't thought it out but you know how they're trying to ban gas cars in the state of california in our lifetime yeah i wonder what the plan is to pay to raise all the revenue that they're going to need to continue to pay for their jobs at the state capitol when when if people aren't buying gas oh and i guess maybe it does affect you more because you're in the product business and your product has to move around like all over the globe well that's a good that's a good point i mean think about that 100 yeah our shipping costs because we use all of them we we let our customers choose and and and uh we have accounts with fedex ups dhl you know usps and those those prices have

been going up just exponentially year after year after year it's crazy yeah that's a real good point i i had a um uh the guy from slack box uh left like 10 slack boxes at my house and what are those it's just it's a piece of foam and you stand on it with one foot, and you balance. Very cool. Yeah, and they have different densities and sizes, and it's like something you can do while you watch TV. Yeah, it's this thing right here. Oh, very cool.

So that thing costs $63, so I was going to send some away to people on the show, like, hey, I have some extras. Who wants them? And the two times I've gone to the post office, it's $27 to mail that thing like to Alabama. I'm like, wait a second. Wait a second. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We have the same issue. You know, that's always a discussion amongst our team just because we have the typical kind of incentive that if your purchase, cart purchase is over 100 bucks or something like that you get free shipping yeah you know but we have the most expensive jump ropes on the planet so like one jump rope it's pretty much free shipping and it eats a lot of the margin out of it so but um what do you do dave you're you're located in san diego california yeah and i think

i've been to your i went to your headquarters at least once. You did? One time for sure I went down there with Greg when we were visiting. And there's a CrossFit gym right next door to you, right? Is it still there? Yeah, CrossFit East County. Yeah, owned by Paul and Tina Flores. Yeah, that's the gym that I started.

My very first day of CrossFit was over 16 years ago, and they're still running strong. And how long has RX Smart Gear been around? Actually, this month, June was our 15-year anniversary. Holy cow. Yeah, that's why you filmed that really nice congratulations video. I appreciate it. Happy anniversary video, which we're still putting together. Thank you for that. Yeah, my pleasure, dude.

I recognize your face. There's some faces that I just know that if I go to an event, I'm going to see it there. And you're always there, and you're always smiling, and you're always warm, and I appreciate always seeing you. When we went and filmed at your gym, at the

gym adjacent to yours the CrossFit East County gym there was a young kid there and I think he was like the youngest left-handed pitcher ever to be drafted in the first round he was drafted to the Houston Astros or something and Greg and I were over there you know checking out his CrossFit training because he was doing all this training that like you weren't supposed to do if you were a pitcher do you remember that do you remember that kid there? Oh, I'm very good friends with the family. Yeah, Brady Aiken.

Brady Aiken was his name. Yeah. Okay, so of course, you knew him. You're there. You knew him. Well, yeah. I mean, he grew up in our gym since he was like 9 or 10 years old, and his parents were members, hard chargers.

And so, yeah, I worked out with his parents all the time. He was a great great kid super good kid so yeah he went he was the first uh first draft right out of high school first pick right out of high school and i think 2017 and you're right went to the houston astros good memory and he was a left-handed kid i remember just being just remarkable and maybe like the first like one of five ever to be drafted in the first round who is a left-hander oh and he's is he still in is he still playing baseball so no he's not he ended up uh at the uh over in um cleveland he got picked up by cleveland and then um and then i think he is now actually uh acting as a an agent

working for the agency that that represented him when he got into the league. He's working for them as an agent now. He had a crazy story actually. He got drafted by the Astros and then they tried to re-nig on their... At least the way I understand the story, basically.

After his physical, they tried to re-nig on his contract and alter it, modify it, after they'd already agreed to terms. And they were chopping it. I don't know. I don't know the exact numbers, but it sounds like almost in half because they found an anomaly in his elbow that they didn't like and thought that was going to become a problem. And so they, you know, they tried to renegotiate his contract the family stood on principle and with the agency and they said no we're not going to do that so they ended up not getting drafted by houston and then he got picked up by cleveland okay and it's funny someone someone someone said it in the comments let me see uh look at bernie gannon so quick always brady aiken was

the indians first round draft pick in 2015 um what a what a crazy sport that you could be drafted in the first round and then and i mean i mean there's so many there's so many damn baseball players that what is it the minors league is nuts yeah oh yeah absolutely yeah he was he was a great kid though super still good hey um uh i'd like to hear how it how it started i guess let's go back um let's go back 16 years to how you found crossfit oh yeah just a buddy of mine a buddy of mine found it um actually about the same time as the owner of crossfit east county paul flores you know paul flores owned a training gym just a your typical you know uh fitness center with treadmills and Smith machines,

things like that. And they, you know, they found it on YouTube. And a buddy of mine named Dave Stroop, our kids were in kindergarten together. And so, yeah, he'd come over and tell us about these, you know, workouts and all the craziness. Of course, back then, you know, this is in 2000. So he started probably rattling my cage about it in 2007. Like, you know, last half of 2007, he kept telling me about these workouts. And then he went and got his L1 and was telling me all about his L1.

And it sounded ridiculous, like I was not interested in it at all. And then he finally convinced me to take my first class. May of 2008 is when I walked into CrossFit East County, did my first workout, threw up, scaled everything, and then threw up all over the place. Never stopped.

Kept going back. Do you remember what you thought was ridiculous? I remember the first time a guy told me about CrossFit, I thought it was ridiculous too. I thought, this guy's so fit so handsome so smart why would he lie about his workout like I was 100% certain he was lying I was like there's no way yeah do you remember anything him telling you that was just like hey that's absurd well he was just describing it was funny when he's going through his L1 you know uh we we were having dinner together and we're sitting around the dinner table drinking beers.

And he's like, oh, yeah, we're doing this thing called thrusters. And he's trying to describe what to do, what a thruster was. And then just describing Fran, right, because all the L1s would do Fran back then. Yes. Yeah. And it just sounded horrendous. It just sounded really idiotic to me, you know, like, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I had no interest at all.

And then when he dragged me in there, it was to the like 5 a.m. class as well. And I wasn't necessarily an early riser at that point in my life. But I ended up doing the 5 a.m. class for 16 years. So I got hooked into it. Dang. I remember the guy telling me he described a workout to me i can't remember what it is but it had 100 pull-ups in it and i was always proud of myself because i was one of the guys that could go into the meathead gym

and just do three sets of 10 unbroken with like a two-minute rest and i was like yeah i always felt like so cool because i could do that and then when he told me he could do 100 pull-ups over this workout or that he was shoulder pressing, uh, shoulder to overhead, 135 pounds, you know, and I had never heard of the push jerk at the time. And he, in the workout had 50 of those. I'm like, God, this is just ridiculous that this sounds like a four-year-old telling me a workout. There's just no, you know what I mean? Like a four-year-old would be like, my dad has a $3 billion bill in his pocket. You're like, uh-huh. You know what I mean? It sounded like that kind of shit. What was was your vocation at the time what did you do i was

a real estate broker uh president for real estate broker yeah for like 15 years just i had a little boutique um firm with a handful of agents and a couple of employees and we did uh sales sales and financing locally yeah so you were already and that was 2008 so that you were a uh highly motivated person um self-starter uh inspired and a go-getter at that at that if, if you're in the real estate market in San Diego with your own boutique real estate business, would you say that describes you? No, if you call it, well, in waves, in waves. So at that point in my life, uh, it was 2008. That was right after the crash. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. So that's right. That's finally when I relented because I had more time on my hands, you know, like our, our, our business took some major hits. And so we downsized and business was hard to scrape up. You know, everything was in transition.

So, yeah. And I was highly out of shape. You know, I had pretty poor, I was a hard worker, but pretty poor life habits, right? Just ate too much, drank too much, didn't exercise enough, the typical stuff. So I was like, yeah, 35 pounds heavier than I am now when I, when I started CrossFit. So I was, I was kind of tubby. Is that, was that a depressing time? What's the deal with the 2008 crash? Basically, all of a sudden it went from anyone could get a loan to no one could get a loan.

Does that describe it? That's the perfect way to describe it yeah just uh the subprime market it just took everybody down everything crashed uh home prices crashed i mean it was yeah it was it was it was pretty bad it was literally like that like that was the interesting thing is that so we didn't really special we didn't specialize in subprime we rarely touch subprime you're familiar with subprime right just people with bad credit could get a loan yep yep or not even bad credit my i think my mom got a subprime loan right? Just people with bad credit could get a loan. Yep, yep. Or not even bad credit. I think my mom got a subprime loan, which worked out great for her.

She just bought a home that the bank didn't think she could afford. And so she was able to get this massive loan. And it worked out great for her because she was an attorney. She had a great job and she made money. But let me see this. A subprime loan is a loan given to a borrower who doesn't qualify for the best market rates. Okay, yeah. So she didn't qualify and then she got one of those yeah and then but it worked out great for her right but but for a lot of people i guess it didn't work out they they it

was like um it's like when you order too much food just because they thought they could doesn't mean they should yeah the the candidates for subprime, I mean, subprime usually were either people with troubled credit, credit wasn't strong, credit scores were low, or their income documentation was tough, right? So a lot of people that earned tips or money under the table or just had a hard time documenting their actual income, those were your subprime candidates. And so, yeah, you're right. There are people who have interesting jobs and they're there or they're self-employed. Right. My mom was self-employed. That's what it was. She was an attorney and we live very we live crazy frugally. So, yeah. Yeah. And typically self-employed, you're trying to write off as much as much as you can. Right. Just to show the lowest bottom, you know, bottom dollar at the end of the year so you don't get raped on taxes.

The system kind of builds it that way, so you're torn. So yeah, when the subprime market kind of took everything down, just because people were using their homes basically as a debit card. They would just take out a loan, take out a bunch of cash, and then now they they got this huge mortgage and then with an adjustable rate, but then that adjustable rate would start climbing or they'd have a teaser rate that would be locked in for, you know, one to five years and then it would adjust.

And when that happened, all of a sudden their payments are skyrocketing and people couldn't afford their mortgage payment anymore. So, yeah, it was pretty catastrophic for sure. And the thing is, we got caught up in it and mine was a small firm. Most of our clients were A to A plus credit. So everything is very straightforward, true blue. We call it Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac stuff that everything's documented, right? Here are your pay stubs, here are your WTUs, everything's documented right here here are your pay stubs here your wtus everything's straightforward so um yeah we thought we were pretty insulated as far as uh um you know having we had great credit i mean i coached people on how to fix their credit back

back then right so we had phenomenal credit and we had you know money in savings you know money in the bank you know we drove my wife and I drove Toyotas. We stayed very, very basic. I knew a lot of people in the industry when it was really going bonkers. And you'd see 18-year-olds that got their real estate license and they were writing loans and they were just making too much money. It was ridiculous. And they're driving around in Mercedes and Hummers and things like that, buying big houses.

So we didn't do any of that. We kept everything very, very simple. And you probably saw a lot of sad shit. I think now that I think about it, I think one of my friends was a broker at that time. And I remember him telling me he made $700,000 in one year, and he bought a super fancy house with the Koi pond. He ended up losing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of that happened. I knew a ton of people that happened to you as well as, as well as yeah. You know, clients. Yeah. So it's, uh,

Did you have kids at the time, Dave? Two boys. Yeah. Say, yeah, we had our two boys. Yeah. They were, you know, they were probably right around five right around five five and uh five and seven or so which makes that um that's that's where it gets scary right like if you don't have kids who gives a shit right you just like move back in with your parents or get a right place or get a van but you got kids and and it's like oh shit yeah. Yeah, yes, yeah. We were super lucky. I mean, we ended up having to file bankruptcy. So our whole issue was not to air all the laundry,

but it was a good learning lesson. Yeah. I look back on it, back then I felt like a failure, a total failure, right? And like you said, kind of like self-starter, hard charger, all that kind of thing

and take care of the family. And I always felt like I could outwork anybody. And then you realize you're not in control of everything, right? When the market stopped, it was the craziest thing that all of a sudden it's like literally somebody just turned off the water spigot and there was just no more business in that industry. It really was like that, Dave. So for your customers to come to you, they need a loan.

And all of a sudden there were just no loans. Yeah, well, exactly. I mean, underwriting changed dramatically, dramatically, you know. But then the bigger issue, too, was just just the homes were just, you know, falling out of the sky, right? Like just people, there were so many foreclosures. Like everybody was in a tizzy because they didn't know what to do, right? Like there were so many people that were foreclosing on their homes. And then people that were staying in their homes longer because they're trying to work out, you know,

like either a short sale on their home, some type of a workaround, right? So then there are people staying in their home that they stopped paying their mortgage on for, I've heard of people staying in their home for over a year without paying their mortgage, you know, and of course, their credits, you know, shot to smithereens. But yeah, it was it was really wild. That was a really interesting, interesting feeling. But, you know, we had plenty of money in the bank. You know, like I said, great credit. We lived well within our means. But our big issue is we owned a lot of rental properties and not in ideal areas, meaning they were areas that were probably more resort style.

So a little more transient as far as like tenants would go. And so next thing we knew, we were carrying a bunch of mortgages. You know, we'd lose our renters and then now we have all these properties and this is kind of before the days of airbnb and so yeah we were carrying a lot of properties and and you know trying to keep up with the mortgages until that finally caught up with us so that was kind of our downfall uh klyziel media uh i was getting my mba during that time so much discussion about all of this it was wild big scott yeah you know what's interesting too is uh that was um what happened for me then is my my mom had was sitting on a pile of cash at that point my mom worked her ass off

uh she was a you know 80 hour a week uh self-employed attorney. And she lent me – she basically did the whole thing. She bought a home, a $400,000 home for $140,000 on a short sale. And she gave me the $140,000 loan, and I just paid her back. And to that day, to this day, I still have that house. And when I lost my job at CrossFit, things like that are what saved me. That's amazing. But crazy. But, but yeah, we got a, uh, my wife and I got a great place on a short sale, but I couldn't have done it without my mom. Right. Yeah. Like now they say in California,

if your parents don't help you or you don't work in Silicon Valley where they're handing out half million dollar bonuses, um, you're not getting a house in California. Oh yeah. And so true. We have, I mean, our two boys are 21 and 23 and, and, uh, you know, we, we tried to, uh, get our older son into a, into a condo like three years ago. And, um, you know, that was right when prices just started going bonkers. It was ridiculous. And maybe as long as three or four years ago. Um,, you know, we'd go to make an offer on a condo, say a $350,000 condo, and there would end up being, you know, 10 or 15 offers on that property, and it would sell for like 430. You know, I mean, we just kept getting pushed up and pushed up. And I just said, Well, we're not going to get we're not going to get into that rat race. And so

we just we sat out. But yeah, I mean, and they haven't really come down dramatically. we sat out, but yeah, I mean, and they haven't really come down dramatically. No, no, I know they haven't. It's wild. Yeah. Yeah. I think home prices in my area and I don't live anywhere fancy have doubled straight up doubled since I moved here eight years ago, just straight up a hundred percent. The homes are all twice as expensive. It's why maybe you brought up the value. Maybe that's the savant. God, I hope so. God, I hope so.

Hey, when I lived in Berkeley, I bought my home there in 2011, and I quickly realized that if it wasn't for Prop 13, no one on my street could afford their house. Because it was Berkeley, and it was all teacher. I remember my neighbor two doors down, because it was Berkeley and it was all teacher. I remember my neighbor two doors down. Um, uh, she was, uh, she was like the head violinist for the Oakland Philharmonic or whatever. And her husband was a violin repairman and you're not going to pay property if, you know, if they bought that house for 50 grand and now it's worth a million dollars. Yeah. They're not

going to be able to pay the property tax on it. I think that's how a lot of California is. If they change, if they ever change that people are screwed, people aren't to be able to pay the property tax on it. I think that's how a lot of California is. If they change, if they ever change that people are screwed, people aren't going to be able to afford the property tax. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's pretty crazy. And my son was just up. Are you, do you still live in Berkeley? My son was just up there. His girlfriend lives in Berkeley. I'm in Santa Cruz now. I'm yeah. Like 70 miles South. Yeah, no, I was just up there with Annie, Annie Sakamoto.

Oh, cool. Oh, did you see her new gym? Yeah, I did. I went in and taught a workshop at her gym as a free workshop as kind of a housewarming gift, if you will. Dude, that's awesome. My mom was there for a long time. My mom loved that gym, but they've moved to the other side of town. And although it's only seven miles away because we're stuck between these mountains and the Pacific ocean traffic's insane. So every mile is, you know, an extra 30 minutes of driving a day. It's right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Um, so, so, so, um, so, and I, and I kind of liked the way this is going. So the market crashes and, uh, it sounds like you took the same path that I did when I got fired. Instead of like going crazy and drinking more and kind of going into a spin

and spending more time in front of the TV, you took control of your life. And that's what I would do. That's what I did too when I lost my job. You buckle down on working out. You basically, you start working on yourself. And that's right around the time when you started CrossFit. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself, you started working harder. Yeah, it wasn't around the time. Honestly, that was because of CrossFit. You know, it was because of CrossFit, because my buddy

dragged me in there kicking and screaming. And, you know, got through the first workout. You know, I hated every second of it, especially throwing up feeling embarrassed. Yeah, feeling like piece of garbage. And then, you know, went home, took a shower, brushed my teeth, had a cup of coffee. And all of a sudden you kind of start, you know, those endorphins are still there and you start feeling good. Yeah. Next day you feel a little sore, like, oh, wow, I did something right. Like your body feels different. Quick adaptations, but especially in the beginning. Right. Amazing. Yeah. And so I just, I went just i went i went all in i mean we were we were pretty crazy back in the day i mean you know that's still fairly early in the crossfit

right so yeah back then we yeah i mean in that at that time i i was just turning 40 so and san diego was a mecca you know you had you had um uh who was the cop down there who had the gym in – down by John Wellborn's place? Well, Invictus was – well, it was CrossFit San Diego that eventually became Invictus. And then I'm trying to think. And Lugo had that big gym, Eddie Lugo and Lisa Lugo. But there was the other guy who was in – who's the guy who had the gym like in Newport Beach? He was a police officer he had a wife three daughters that place was kind of its own little mecca of crossfit yeah newport's

a little bit north of us uh it's like an hour that's like an hour north of us hour why can't i think of his name i can't think of who that is it's a mexican last name he was mexican his wife was white they were cool as shit they had three daughters there were tons of l1s there i just remember doing a ton of filming there huh was across the coast of mesa i don't think so huh maybe someone maybe someone in the in the um not chalk that um not surf city thank you caleb i don't even know if the gym is still there yeah but anyway you were in a hub san diego was a huge spot for gym quickly there were 100 gyms in san diego county it was nuts yeah for sure no there were a lot okay and then and then so um dave so um the the real estate

business is it closed now did it close down eventually the real estate business, is it closed now? Did it close down eventually, the real estate business? Yeah, yeah, it did eventually. I mean, I kept it going for another couple of years, but then this jump rope thing slowly started taking off. Was that scary? So here you are, you have two kids, the economy is doing some weird shit and you're like, okay, I'm going to start a business?

Yeah, it wasn't really like that black and white. I mean, I was still trying to do real estate. You know, I still had a couple of agents that we're still, um, you know, trying to chase down business in that, in that area. But, um, but the, yeah, the jump rope thing was just a hobby. Um, I was literally just giving them away. Like once I, you know, started making them my garage, um, it was just, it was just a fun hobby. And I was literally just giving them away. Once I started making them in my garage, it was just a fun hobby. I was giving them to everybody at the gym that would ask for one. My wife's the one that told me, hey, we just went bankrupt, and you're buying all this shit to make jump ropes. What gives? What are you doing?

It occurred to me that it just felt really good. To go from feeling like a failure to, hey, somebody has something that I that I make. Right. They want something from me that I can that I can give them and, you know, bring a little bit of happiness into their life. So it made me feel good. Yeah, it was just that was the therapy. Right. Going to CrossFit, working out hard. That was therapy. Giving people a gift, giving them a jump rope was therapy, right? It made me feel like I had value. So my wife said, hey, listen, that's great. I'm glad that you're feeling better. But you need to start charging people at least for the material. Otherwise,

Were you spending like $500 or $1,000 a month on giving away jump ropes? I don't even know. i mean for example back then just because i wasn't trying to make them in mass i mean literally it was just like it was just like it was a hobby it was like crocheting you know what i mean like so i would i would go to the sporting sporting goods store buy the jump rope that i that i liked because i bought a bunch of them over the years and i kept tinkering with them and then I settled on a pair of handles that I could you know deconstruct all of the stuff off of it and and then build back my stuff onto it and then put the cable size it to the person and then and then um give it to them so you know I think in the end

I was it was costing me like 25 dollars is what we figured out you know was the actual cost not including any labor time right whatever my time was worth which I had no idea. Um, and so I would charge people 20 bucks and I felt guilty doing that. You know, I'm like, Hey, listen, you gotta, I'll make you a jump rope, but you gotta at least give me 20 bucks for materials. So it was like giving them a jump rope and $5, you know, pretty much every time. So, so that's how you got started. You were like the guy, like, you know, like when we're kids, someone buys a car and then immediately they go to the auto body part and they're like looking to put a trick it out. That's what you were doing. You were you started off in the modification of existing jump ropes. today, even 15 years later, even though we've been on our soapbox trying to trying to evangelize like how people can go about this in a better way. There was just no rhyme or reason. Right. So I get in a CrossFit and, you know, my wife and I coached gymnastics back, you know, like high

school through college, a little bit after we coached gymnastics at a club at San Diego State. So, you know, I picked up most of the CrossFit movements reasonably well. I'm not a great ollie lifter, but, you know, handstand pushups, muscle-ups, you know, all those kind of things. But I just really sucked at double-unders. It was just frustrating that I could feel like I'm confident and athletic, yet I just was so inconsistent at double-unders. And so I was just tinkering, trying to figure out why, why am I so bad and how do I change this equation? Blame the rope, blame the rope. Well, that was part of it. I mean, yeah, seriously. So here's the funny thing. You probably, you probably experienced this. You go into a typical CrossFit gym and this still exists today,

which is unfortunate, but it exists today is that, you know, for whatever reason, I know gym owners, you know, it's hard to run a gym and they have to really watch where they spend their money. And so if a gym is going to provide jump ropes, they would always just kind of throw a smattering of mixed stuff on the wall, like cheap stuff. And so new members that come to the gym that have no concept of what they need or what's going to fit them properly or what's going to help them learn properly, just they just go grab anything off the wall and try and jump with it. And if they struggle, they'll go grab a different one and then keep trying until they find the one that like, oh, you know what? I got more completed reps with this one. And so they would always target that

rope. And that was me. There was this one rope with green handles and a black cord. And I would race to the gym before anybody else and go grab that rope off the wall because that was the one I felt I did the best with. And that wasn't even that good, honestly. So yeah. So then I thought, you know what, maybe I need to just go buy a rope from the store. Went and bought a rope. Again, I didn't have any concept of what I was buying and how to size it properly and any of those, those things. And again, lack of inconsistency or lack of consistency, you know, so I'd buy a different one and then I'd buy a different one. So then I started, I started just kind of mashing the things together that I liked from each one. Right. And so,

and then figuring out like a big component was figuring out, you know, what's going to kind of minimize the variables as far as learning. Right. There's so many variables when you learn. So how do you minimize the variables and kind of create an ideal environment? Right. So that what you're working on is the right thing to work on. So, you know, a heavier cabled rope was the key. Right. A heavier cabled rope was the key, right? Heavier and cabled because a cable rope doesn't change length. It doesn't stretch or retract, right? Okay. So that was huge.

And then a little bit heavier, right? Like three to four ounces is what I figured out was ideal for me. And it turns out that's pretty much ideal for everybody because that's still our best-selling rope around the world probably more people learn double unders on on that rope um so that was key and then figuring out sizing right because your sizing dictates your your your positioning and your positioning did mm-hmm yeah and your positioning dictates your your muscle recruitment and your mechanics right that's what a lot of people don't pay attention to is like what what what muscle grouping and what mechanics am i using to just turn this little jump rope around my body and um so dialing that in and i was just kind of like testing you know a lot of the people the gym that wanted me to make them a rope i would test them

right and i would write down their height I would make various size ropes and have them try each one and then we would look at which one you know put them in better positioning which one had better spacing like as it passed around their body and under their toes and just paid attention to all those little details until we kind of like molded it into really a system right so we created a really just kind of simple black and white system of, of, you know, your height plus three feet should put you in reasonable position. And then if you can work shorter from there, you'll, you'll, you'll improve drastically. So, um, yeah, so that, that was, that was huge. That was kind of the start of it. Just, just really tinkering or even

then it wasn't a business yet. Right. Like that was just for, for fun. It was just kind of occupying time. And, uh, and it was just, uh, it was, uh, um, you know, it was a math equation. Uh, not that I like math at all, but you know what I mean? It's like, Oh, we got to solve this. Like there's gotta be some rhyme or reason. So, um, yeah. So that, that kind of got the ball rolling. Did you, were there any other objects in the gym that you were considering innovating? Or was that you had singularly, you had focused down on that one?

Well, funny news or story, like actually grips. I made grips before I made anything else. I think I made grips for myself before I even made a jump rope. Oh, because of your gymnastics background. So you were like, hey, okay, we spend a lot of time hanging from bars or holding bars. Yeah, exactly. background so you were like hey okay we spend a lot of time hanging from bars or holding bars yeah exactly and so my first pair of grips especially i still you know i like the false grip you know uh ring muscle ups just like any sakamoto very old school yeah yeah it's just yeah i've never i never used this grip never yeah yeah and that just i i don't really either

and that and that just that takes so much torque and kipping um and i just my shoulders just don't like that so uh when you false grip and kip um you know it's just it's just much more compact and controllable for me so so my first pair when you false grip and kip it's more like your kip correct me if i'm wrong you're kipping up yep when you do this one is when you start getting the swinging right sure right that's that's how i think when kip, I'm like kipping up. Yeah. Well, for sure, because your kip is a much shorter swing, right? Right.

So when you're doing a neutral grip or you're just hanging below the ring, yeah, you need a bigger, much bigger swing to propel your hips upward. But when you're kipping, you can keep that pendulum shorter and you have the torque and the leverage to, to roll on top. Yeah. It's more like a handstand pushup kit or, or I don't know, but, but definitely the energy is going up and down. Yeah. More so than a traditional for sure. More so. Yeah. So you made grips first. Were you making grips when you were teaching at the gymnastic studio? Uh, no, I was, I was done coaching career was okay it was over like you know once i got into real estate um okay

overlapped a couple years and then and then stop yeah stop so you went to crossfit gym and you're like hey i'm gonna make myself some grips yeah yeah and were you just making them out of tape like one offs like one that would only last you like a couple weeks and then throw it away and make a new one like that out of tape no no i went i went and bought leather and and i you know stitched up actually like cut them out of leather and sewed sewed up certain parts and um do you have sewing skills do you have do you have sewing skills um i i was okay yeah i did i mean i rudimentary just enough to make you know kind of prototypes like i can't make like nice fine fine, curated, finished products, you know? Um, but you're not making tuxedo, but do you have a machine at your house?

Yeah. Well, uh, I have a couple of machines at the house and the ironic thing is my son, my 23 year old son, well, he'll be 23 here in about a month, but, uh, he's taken to sewing. He's, he's a really well-known potter. He does pottery. really well-known potter he does pottery uh-huh and uh and he uh got into sewing and now he like sews like a ton of clothes like he's making jeans wow um sure i want to get my seven-year-old a sewing machine he would love it he would he would absolutely love it i'll send you uh i'll send you my kid's link because he put something up showing a bunch of things that he made. Yeah, please. Just messing around.

And he's just so into it. It's really cool. And he likes to forge his knives. He likes to make knives from scratch. Nice wooden handles. Was he in the military, your son? No, no, no, no. Yeah, no.

I feel like that's kind of a couple things they get into. They get into – like Dave's way into sewing and then forging knives. And so it's kind of just down that line of those seem like to be like creative outlets for those guys. Yeah, he's just my my my oldest son is just I mean, both my boys are super artistic in different ways. So my oldest one likes to make things. So he he you know, pottery was kind of his his thing. My oldest one likes to make things. So he he, you know, pottery was kind of his his thing. Right. So he blew up during COVID because he started putting pottery videos up on TikTok and he amassed like six million followers. So at one point he was the world's most like followed potter and partly because he was a good looking kid. Right. He's a kid and making pottery in this, you know, shitty shack's playhouse in the backyard.

And people were bored, so they watched a lot of his pottery. He sold a lot of pottery, too, which was really cool. Dave, what are you? What's your ethnicity? Half Korean. Dad's white, mom's full Korean. And where did they meet? They met in Korea when my dad was in the service. No shit. Yeah, that's kind of a common theme actually in the military um uh was he was he

active during fighting uh he went to vietnam he did yep and then so those guys even while they're there had time to like socialize in court and meet a woman so while he was there he met a woman who's your mom well i met my mom in korea before he went to vietnam yeah he was stationed in korea yeah i was stationed out there uh in the 60s mid 60s met my mom she my mom was working on the base like kind of in a clerical clerical position and um yeah so my dad courted her and locked her down and uh yeah and then he got yeah he got sent to uh vietnam like in the early like kind of towards the tail end second half like 71 70 71 to me too did she speak english when they met very little actually very little yeah Very little. And then did she end up learning

English? She did. In fact, now she can barely speak Korean. It's pretty funny because once she came over, I mean, we all spoke Korean a little when we were young. But since my dad spoke English, we predominantly spoke English. And so my mom's lost her Korean. I mean, she can still understand and communicate, but she tries to talk to my uncle. So her older brother, they came over, my parents sponsored to bring my uncle and his family over in the 70s. And they moved straight to Koreatown in Hollywood. Right. And and so they're just they're just surrounded basically in little Koreatown. So that's all they speak is Korean.

And my mom has a hard time communicating with her brother now because she says he speaks so fast that she's not picking up the words, you know. And she gets embarrassed, too. She gets embarrassed. So, yeah, it's pretty funny. You think what do you anything that stands out from you for you? Both my parents are Armenian, and I was raised, I wouldn't say like hardcore Armenian, but definitely there's an Armenian culture and a way Armenians do things,

and it's had a tremendous impact on me. Is there anything coming from your mom's side, the Korean culture, that you're like, yep, that's the Korean culture in me? You know, I don't know if it's Korean culture, honestly, the korean culture that you're like yep that's that's the korean culture in me you know um i don't know if it's korean culture or honestly or just i mean we were we were raised so americanized um but and me too me too but yeah still since both my parents were armenian there were just things right yeah and i i wonder honestly if it's a korean thing that my mom my mom is loyal to a fault you know like and and i i find that my brothers and I are the same way, like we're loyal to a fault.

And, you know, like I mean, I lost my father three and a half years ago. He passed away. And and so my mother, we moved her. She wanted to live by the cemetery where he was buried. And basically, you know, she lives now to just go memorialize his grave. And so she goes every day to put flowers on on his grave. And she talks to him. She, you know, plays the oldies, you know, that that like the first song that they ever danced to, you know, she'll play that. Plus his other favorites, you know.

So, yeah, it's crazy. So she she has no other life other than, than that now. So, so I honestly culturally though, I don't know about any other things that we might've picked up from her. When you say she's loyal to a fault, does that mean she, she's forgives quickly also? No, she can hold a grudge actually. That woman can hold a grudge in a vault and man that thing

will come out it's hilarious yeah not to that's a very funny uh funny that you bring that up yeah and what's your wife what ethnicity is your wife uh she's she's caucasian yeah she's born and raised in san diego yeah uh i think i think they have some you know know, Swedish in the background there, maybe Swedish and some German, something like that. Did you serve any time in the military? I did not. I did not. Did your dad want you to? Well, he did not, and that's the thing.

That was kind of a regret. You know, my father was career military, so, you know, I bounced around Army bases, you know, growing up. I mean, I changed high school six times, you know. And so, you know, my father really, really did not want us to go in the army and or go in the service in general, just because, you know, he saw it changing from kind of the old guard to the new guard. Right. The mentality of the service was changing quite a bit in his eyes. And so he really wanted us to go to college.

was changing quite a bit in his eyes. And so he really wanted us to go to college. And so my oldest brother went against his wishes and joined the Army, went in for four years to make him proud. And he did. He made my dad proud. And then my middle brother wanted to go in because he wanted to be a pilot,

but his eyesight wasn't good enough and he didn't want to do anything but fly. So he didn't go. And yeah, I went to college. I didn't I didn't pursue it. And yeah, but it is regret because I do wish I I do wish I served at least a couple of years, you know, two or three years. So so it's three boys. You're raised with three boys. Yeah. Yeah. And where do you fall? Oldest? fall oldest i'm the youngest youngest okay interesting um okay so so the the ropes are in the garage and you're making them and you love it and i'm guessing it had turned almost into an obsession any free time you had uh tv was out the door it's just like workout make sure real

estate's doing whatever it needs to do but then straight to the garage ideas are popping through your head throughout the day while you're driving somewhere you're writing them down and like you're thinking oh i should have done this i should have done this i should try this you're like calling it out like exactly so you start you did it become an obsession oh 100 100 yeah yeah it was uh yeah it was it it was just you know tinkers galore you know how can we how can we uh you know make this better um you know i mean like like we were the first ones to ever put tennis tape wrap around a handle right you know how we do that yeah and that's just that's just tennis overgrip yeah and i was which was incredible stuff my boys play tennis and that stuff i love wrapping their

rackets what it's the best right yeah what a trippy uh product that stuff is yeah it's amazing stuff and it's yeah it's the best stuff and literally i'm i'm you know in the store buying i would go buy like every every jump rope of that specific brand that i like the handles i would just grab whatever they had on the rack, you know, and I think they were like 1999, you know, and I would just grab them off the rack, 1699 or 1999, I can't remember it. And, and, and, and when they came with like a foam sleeve, and I would I would the sleeves would always slip off, they weren't glued on or anything, it was just a foam sleeve, yeah, it would always come off and uh or they would slowly disintegrate over time so i was walking past the tennis uh section and just happened to see the

tennis grip and thought oh that's kind of an interesting thought like let me let me grab some of that and they had all these different colors and patterns and things so yeah so i took took that home and one tennis you know oh it was over grip not the original grip but the over grip yeah to kind of make your handle beefier so one over grip you know if it was over grip, not the original grip, but the over grip to kind of make your handle beefier. So one over grip, you know, if you cut it in half would, would wrap two handles. And so I started messing around with that and just thinking like, well, tennis, tennis grip is the best grip in the world. I mean, tennis players rely on that for their sport, probably more than any other sport that I can think of. Right. So, um, yeah. And that just kind of, you know, it's not only did it work well and felt great in your hands,

but then it gave me the opportunity to kind of like accessorize, Oh, you can do pink or purple or, you know, change colors. So, so we were the first ones to ever do that. And now you'll see that just rampant. You know, if you go on Amazon and look at jump ropes, you know, probably seven out of 10 have, you know, a tennis wrap over it. And so that's that's my contribution to the jump rope world. You're welcome. And this sounds like a very tedious and time consuming activity, meaning building a jump rope one at a time would make them five hundred dollars a pop

i mean you can't you obviously i mean wrapping you know wrapping the handle is like it takes time someone has to sit down give their undivided attention and wrap it and if you have to cut it in half and wrap two handles and that tape is really weird right because it's kind of unruly because it has that clear plastic on the back you have to remember which side you peeled it from and the whole thing is it's like this is tedious so you're literally um back in the day like what would be the most ropes you could make in a day like i'm talking like in the early early days like could you make more than 10 in a day oh no not even close yeah and you know the big part of it too is because i had to deconstruct the store-bought rope okay that was a process unpackaging it right and they're all yeah

and all the packaging and unpackaging yeah right okay they're always zip tied in and so you gotta like cut all the zip ties out and then take the foam sleeve off and then cut the cord off you know take off the bottom cap and get get get the hardware out of the inside, you know, just all the, all the little, I mean, I remember that. And you're measuring each rope for each person too, right? Yeah. You got to measure it. And in the early day, in the early day, I didn't have a good system for that. So I would, you know, we have a refrigerator in our garage.

And so I would, I would literally take a spring clamp and I would go clamp the cable to the handle of our refrigerator along with the measuring tape. And I would back up and, you know, figure out the length, you know, 18, 18, whatever. And then I would have to take, they're almost like bolt cutters, right? You know, like, and, and, and then cut the cable and attach it to the handle. And then back then, you know, the little aluminum swage that crimps the cable together, I would just hammer it, right? Hammer it flat. And yeah, it was so crude and rudimentary back then.

But, you know, I didn't care because it wasn't about a, you know, popularity contest or- Or doing it for time. You weren't doing it for time. No, just, yeah, just just you know i mean hey they were free to the person i was giving them to they were free so they they appreciated it regardless so it was it worked great you know and and the internet at that point um it was just

around 2008 yeah and the internet was pretty crude then too like uploading pictures was always risky because it slowed down websites did you was there point? Do you remember when you launched your first website? Actually, we started on Facebook. One of my buddies that I trained with, he was coming in helping me. A young guy that was in the Navy at the time, Joe Craig, he would come in and help me make jump ropes. And his wife, they were over hanging out one time and his wife said, you know, you should you should upload some of these on Facebook and, you know, see if you can get some attention there. And I had no idea how I didn't have a Facebook account back then. So probably right around oh nine or so.

So, yeah. So I go, well, if you could show me how to do it, that'd be great. So we did. We took photos and put them on Facebook and people kind of across the country started seeing them little by little. The man who shares a bed with the fittest woman in America, Dylan Lohan. Ariel and I met Dave at the West Coast Classic. Great guy. Spent time with Ariel to make her with the jump rope. Oh, that's awesome. So Ariel made her a rope. Yeah, Dylan and Ariel are awesome. They're super fun to hang out with. Good people.

Awesome, awesome people. She crushed it. Actually, Ariel crushed that workout, the double under workout at the West Coast. That was awesome to watch her. Unbroken. Listen to this. It's not even done. Dave's a great guy.

He gave a lot of time of his at the West Coast Classic to help Ariel be a better jump roper. You helped the fittest woman in America be a better jump roper you helped the fittest woman in america be a better jump roper hey that's uh you know that was that was my pleasure i'm the one that got the enjoyment out of that yeah that's awesome oh okay so um when did it when did it um when and why did it become a business what's that look like where it's like okay like i have to formalize this shit i gotta get like a checking account i have to stop buying tape one at a time i have to figure out where i can buy you know a mile worth of tape how did that happen yeah i think i mean sometime around uh 2009 um you know again like i wasn't charging enough for the people that, for the people that, uh, were asking for them. And so, you know, my wife who was doing the banking would look at our

accounts and she's like, you know, this is just getting out of hand. Like, so I was starting to make a lot relatively for the time I was making a lot. So, um, all by yourself, every, every wrote was made by Dave Newman. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much, yeah. I mean, like I said, friends would come over, my buddy that I worked out with and my wife. We'd sit on the sofa watching American Idol back then. I taught them how to rap handle, so they would help out just kind of as a hobby thing. I wasn't paying anybody back then.

They got fed. You fed them dinner. Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was super fun. So, uh, um, yeah. Um, yes. So honestly, the funny thing is, is the, the business probably started earlier than we give it credit for. Um, but you know, just because at the beginning, uh, you know, I wasn't incorporated. I wasn't even a sole proprietorship, right. I mean, I was,

I was providing a goods and people were giving me money, giving me cash. It was probably like an under the table business. So, you know, we, we give them the robe, you spent $20 making it, they gave you 20 bucks, you put it in your wallet. And next thing you know, you're buying a sandwich and coffee with it. Yeah. Yeah. Like that kind of shit. Okay. Yeah. I mean, pretty much. I mean, you must've come home and coffee with it. Yeah. Yeah. Like that kind of shit. Okay. Yeah. I mean, pretty much. I mean, there's very, you must've come home and there were like 15 twenties in your wallet and you're like, Whoa, shit. You know what I mean?

I don't ever remember that honestly. Oh, okay. Okay. But, uh, that'd be funny. Um, yeah, you know, I think one of the pivotal, when I look back at one of the pivotal, like the, so the growth was very slow, like the first, months to a year. But 2010 is when, I don't know if you know who Amik Jones is. Amik Jones used to own CrossFit SoCal down here. Yes, yes.

He was the Navy guy. Yeah, he was a Navy radiologist. Yep, Navy radiologist. And so at the time, and Amik is a real go-getter. He was a full-time Navy radiologist. You know, he ran track in college. And that's where he kind of found CrossFit, I think, was in college running track. And then he opened CrossFit SoCal, had a great gym there.

And he was also running like a little equipment business, right? He was like just sourcing dumbbells and kettlebells and barbells from just different you know outlets and then packaging them and reselling them on online and bill henniger from rogue you know met up with him at some point and they hit it off and bill said hey why you know why don't you come under the rogue umbrella let me absorb you basically and you come work for me and and and amic's like yeah sure i'll do that so there he is good looking guy yeah he was very he was very quiet he was a man a few words right he's he's a little bit more of a i mean he's he's super friendly guy but you know probably you know soft-spoken but no he's yeah great guy great yeah and i would always you're right now

that i think about it wherever if i was somewhere where bill henniger was amic was like within eyesight he was so much yeah yeah he's like and he was always working he was always doing something he's like the hand if you watch game of thrones amic's the hand okay okay yeah i remember him very well yeah so so amic amic was hosting the member of 2010 was the only year that they had sectionals right you had to go through qualify through sectionals to get to regionals and so uh and there were shit loads of sectionals weren't there there were like tons of them all over yeah all just for that one year yeah and so amic was hosting hosting our local one down here and i think it was i think he hosted for arizona because i remember

people came over from arizona as well and so our, a bunch of us went over, Paul, the owner, and a bunch of buddies that we all wanted to compete in it. We went over to just offer to help set up, you know, lend equipment, whatever. And, you know, so we met Amit the first day. And so I went home, made him a jump rope. I kind of just sized him up, eyeballed him, came back. And the next day I gave him a jump rope as kind of a gift. balled him came back and the next day i gave him a jump rope as kind of a gift and so he pulled it out of the the case and started jumping rope with it or he started doing double unders and he hit a

pr like first go at it he had a pr did like i think he did like 120 20 something double unders and he was just like this is amazing he's like you need to tell bill about your ropes and i didn't know who bill was i wasn't super familiar with rogue and um and he's like well need to tell bill about your ropes and i didn't know who bill was i wasn't super familiar with rogue and um and he's like well let me let me talk to bill about it and so that's when he was just a guy that dated katie that was before he was the the owner of rogue that's when his only fame well they they were starting to pick up steam yeah it was definitely early days right definitely early days they weren't they weren't as obviously uh i'm trying to think of i mean to give an example so basically you know bill said hey bring them up to the games let's let's see how the jump ropes sell out out of our booth and so we were invited to go sell

ropes out of the booth at the 2010 games first year in carson wow and you were there so you remember that yeah vendor village was at the top of the tennis stadium and it was basically two rows that were just back to back you know probably had 12 12 or 14 vendors total and all rogue had for a tent was a was like a 10 by i don't know if it was it was bigger than a 10 by 10 unless they had two of them by side, it's like a 10 by 20 easy up. And they were only selling t-shirts out of their booth. That's all they were selling and our jump ropes. And so we thought we were just going to get a free ticket to the games and like, we're going to hand off the ropes and let those guys sell it.

Right. But they didn't know how to sell it because they were all different size. Like you had to like work with somebody to figure out what they needed. And by the way, that is the cool thing about your booth i've been to your booth you know five different times at five different events over the years and every time someone's getting tailored ropes too i mean you tailored rope for my kids you tailored rope for me i'll never forget in del mar i still have the the rope yeah you guys are all it's it's like um it's like getting a suit made for you but just a rope yes i like that analogy a lot yeah yeah yeah we you know we have

to we have to do that you know i made one for your mom too i think your mom still use yeah yeah yeah hey and my mom has some double unders now that's awesome yeah i want to say she got 20 the other day crazy right that's amazing good her. My mom might be 80. Wow. Yeah, I don't know how old she is. Wow. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing.

Good for her. Yeah, she still CrossFits three days a week. Yep, over at Daniel's gym now, West Fitness. Yep. Okay. All right. Yeah, give her my best. Yeah, but we have to do that.

We have to work with somebody. Because back then especially like our ropes we had to cut them to size like they weren't adjustable like that's the thing you know bill bill bill from rope told me you know when we first started kind of working together he said dave if you make this adjustable you'll sell you'll sell a gazillion of these things if you make them adjustable and i'm like well you guys already everybody else already does that like that's not that's nothing new. Everybody does that. And the big problem that I saw was that people don't know how to size themselves.

Like they don't have a concept of how to size themselves and and understand what good form and technique is. Right. It's always based on what feels right. And so, you know, we wanted to try and solve that that equation for people. So, yeah, it's fun. Like we love doing it. We love helping people. People get a big kick out of it. And I think we earn, you know, long term customers, long term relationships, you know, by by doing it that way. So it's definitely a much harder road to go. Like, don't get me wrong. There are times I wish we just, you know, could just hand something over the over the counter and say, here you go. Have a nice day, you know. But, you know, in the long run, you just don't really build connections with people doing it that way. So I'll pick us up on the story. I want to read some of these comments. Even the rope is the best rope on the market.

Is he going to help Haley Adams? Yes, we will get to that. What a great comment. We will get to that what a great comment we will get to that there is a post on his instagram account where he talks about that and i feel vindicated by it because for a couple reasons um because of the you you we'll get to that um dave is a is the uh dave is the best and he's a great friend for Overload CrossFit. John, what's up, buddy? This guy wants to nominate you as the new CEO of CrossFit. Vindicate, VNDKA, get your CEO t-shirts there. Bought an RXSG rope at the games last year.

Only rope I've used ever since. Love it. Jeez Louise, RX jump rope was my first rope. I learned double unders on them. I don't know what Chase is saying, but he did something good with the rope at sectionals. Okay, so you're at the booth that year. It's 2010. It's shirts and ropes.

And then what happened as you came out of there? Yeah. the booth that year it's 2010 it's shirts and ropes and then what happened as you came out of there yeah oh so that was uh yeah so that that's really when things kind of took off because um yeah we just crushed it that was you know like nobody'd ever done that before i mean the games were pretty new that's only the fourth year of the games and um but you know nobody'd ever like coached anybody and then made them a custom rope. And so we would sell a lot of ropes there. We sold out. I mean, we, but we,

we didn't bring a lot up and we probably had a couple hundred units. Right. But we were literally sizing people up during the day at the tent. We would size them up. We would go home at night or go to the hotel where I set up kind of a, just a real, you know, rigged up system.

And we would make the ropes in the hotel room all night right we'd drink beer make ropes shoot the shit and then i had joe craig you know my my workout buddy and then we'd go back you know people would come pick up their rope and then we would do it all over again right we did that for three days straight dude now i remember that i remember when you would have to come back for your rope and i remember coming back for a couple ropes for me and my wife once yes yeah yeah y'all wrapped up and nice with the rubber band around yeah yes yeah yeah it was super fun that's good yeah good good memory so um yeah and then also that's when um so uh bill grunler bill grunler who is it was a phenomenal athlete

legend yeah yeah so bill bill Billy and I were buddies because we competed against each other in the early days you know in the CrossFit we're the same age I'm actually a couple months older than Billy but he used to kick my ass all over the place he's still kicking everyone's ass dude he's fucking unbelievable yeah he is he is he's timeless

and so so I think Bill was might have been commentating. I don't remember if he was commentating that year, but he brought over Justin Judkins. Do you remember Justin? He ran Brusset Radio. Brusset Radio, yeah. So he brought Justin Judkins over to introduce him, and I think we set him up. He was a wrestling coach. He was a wrestling coach. In Utah, that's right. Great guy.

And so Justin had me on his radio show I don't know if you call it a podcast back then but yeah it was before podcasts yeah exactly so so that was cool so so going to the games and you know and then meeting everybody there and there were a lot of you know foreigners a lot of Aussies I remember um so that that got us a good foothold um and then when I went on Justin's show I remember that back in the day it was crazy is uh went on the show you know we talked had a great time and then right after the show or as soon as he aired the show you know back then I had a Blackberry didn't have an iPhone yeah you and I were talking about iPhones at the beginning uh my Blackberry starts going off with orders.

I was getting orders from like Europe, you know, from Sweden and just different places in Europe, Germany. So sorry, you kind of lost me there. This is while you're at the games in 2010? No, after. Sorry, Seth. Oh, after, after. After the games were over. Okay, okay.

Yep. And then Justin had me on his radio show. Oh, right, right. Yeah. So being at the games, though, that. Yep. And then Justin had me on his radio show. Oh, right, right. Yeah. So being at the games, though, that year, like we crushed it. So that's when Bill said, hey, great, we want to carry your rope on our website. So we were the first kind of independent brand jump rope that Bill started carrying. And actually, it's before Rogue even made their own jump rope.

So at the time, Rogue was only carrying two or three real janky jump ropes that they were just ordering from overseas, you know? And so we were the first kind of independent boutique jump rope that they carried. And to this day, like, I think we're the longest, you know, we've been on their site now for 15 years. And so that was, that was a nice big step. And then once Justin aired his radio show crossfit radio you know a couple months later that's when we started getting all these orders from overseas

because back then that's how all the people out of america would learn about crossfit is they would just go to his his radio show you know and so that was that was a really cool time, but yeah, so that's kind of what got, got some more traction. Chase Ingram, my record with the RX gear is with the RX gear, Evo rope 274. I'm trying to get that elusive 300. And so at that point, are you like, okay, I need to get a sewing table with a tape measure on it. I need to get something that I can pull down to cut the ropes. I mean, I'm just picturing, did you, were you like, I'm going to have to invest in the shop?

Is that when the shop started growing and did you rent a location at that point? Or were you still out of your garage? Yeah. Still out of the garage. Yeah. Yeah. Little by little, we, you know, we were definitely, you know, getting benchtop swagers. Exactly. Right. One that you would bolt to a work bench and then you could just kind of like pull the lever down um i i built my first measuring tray out of pbc i literally took like a three inch round pbc and i sliced like a hot dog so once you flip it open it looks like you know half it looks like a hot dog yeah and then i took a tape measure stretched it out cut it off tacked it into that into that um pbc pipe so that i could hook a handle and then just run the cable down and measure it and chop it off yeah so yeah little by little started kind

of automating i wouldn't say automate it improving the manual uh approach to to building a rope so i saved a bunch of that stuff i'm kind of a idiot for like nostalgia so i saved like i had that original workbench that original measuring tray and things like that still like in our warehouse but um yeah so we did that out of the garage actually we stayed we kept it in our home for almost two and a half years we ran the business out of our home so literally like the garage was the work workspace to like build the the cables and attach them to the handles. Inside our house, and we don't have a very big house, but inside our house, our front living room, we ripped out the carpets, lined the tables with, you know, plastic table, you know, those Costco fold out tables.

And before we left the house, by the time we finally got into a commercial space, you know, two and a half years later, we had like 10 employees coming into the house every day. Wow. Building roads. Oh, wow. Do you have any of your original employees? Are there any original employees who are still at the company? Yeah, actually, I do. Actually, I do.

I do. Yeah, still with us. Some are still with us. So they know the whole rigmarole. They've seen the evolution. They have like the historical knowledge and the talent and all that. Yeah, still with us. Some are still with us. So they know the whole rigmarole. They've seen the evolution. They have like the historical knowledge and the talent and all that. Yeah, yeah. Were the grips being sold at that point too?

Nope, nope. Those took kind of like backseat and just focused on jump ropes because in the early days, Siobhan, you remember, CrossFit was just growing. It was just crazy. You know, 2010 to 2015, that half decade was just, I mean, for us, it was just crazy you know yeah 2010 to 2015 that half decade was just i mean for us it was it was like people like oh how long before you were profitable we were like today like the first day i mean it was just crazy that you're profitable right away because the growth was so aggressive and and you know like we had to keep adding bodies just to try and meet orders because we were getting so many orders.

It was crazy, which was a detriment at the same time. It's not really – it's a nice problem to have, but, you know, I don't consider myself a super smart guy. And I wasn't planning for, well, one day this is going to slow down and we better learn how to market, you know? So now in this kind of second half of our lifespan, we're learning like, wow, I guess you got to get good at marketing, you know, and go out and find your customers, you know? So yeah, so the early days- And competitors started coming from everywhere, right?

People saw your success. And so it wasn't their passion. Money was their passion. So they started trying to basically replicate what you were doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, rightfully so. Like that's what, you know, competitors are great. Cause that's what makes us sharper too. Right. Like they always the whole rising tides, you know, raises all the ships.

I mean, competitors started coming in. In fact, even rogue. Right. So that's a funny story because six months after rogue was carrying our ropes um rogue social media started teasing out little little pictures of like cables a bunch of cables wrapped up the way we wrap up a jump rope i do i remember that remember that i remember that yeah what do you what do you think we're working on right you know like little little hints and things like that and then finally let it out that they were coming out with their first you know speed rope and and i was really pissed back then i was yeah i could see that yeah so i i you know i reached out to bill and that's why i'm glad like that that's such a cool learning lesson is to like calm down you know get get your panties out of a bunch right and then just just have an adult conversation and

and i reached out to bill to ask like hey you know like what's going on looks i see you guys are making jump ropes now and uh and bill's super cool he's like yeah he goes we found we can we can make our own rope uh cheaper than we can just import them right if we just build all the tooling and we do the injection molding and do everything ourselves which is which is his approach to things, right. It's just build it themselves. He's like, but it's nothing like yours. Like, you know, it's a different product and you're a different type of jump rope. It's kind of just a better version of what they were already selling with

their branding on it. And so he goes, yeah, you'll be good. Don't worry about it. And so cool. So, you know, here we are 15 years later and you know, we're now they carry every known brand of jump rope out there, you know, as well as, as well as like 15 of their own, but, uh, but yeah, our, our still sell well on, on their site. Um, so it's been a great relationship. And, and your relationship, when, when I think of, uh, CrossFit and I think of jump ropes, I mean, your RX smart gear is like synonymous with it.

Like you're, you're the one, like, I don't think of, I don't think of anyone else. I just think, I just think of you guys. I think of you.

I see you. Like if I close my eyes and think jump ropes, it's like you standing in front of a jump rope. I'm like, move Dave. You're, you're a sweetheart. Well,

you're dating, you're dating yourself. You're dating yourself because we figured this out. It took us a while to figure this out. Yeah, if you've been around the game as long as you have and I have, people that have been around for sure, they're familiar with our brand. Whether they use us or not or like us or not, they're familiar with our brand. But we've gone to the games and we'll encounter people that have been crossfitting for, say, the last within the last five years. Right. And have never heard of us. Wow. Never heard of us. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. Which it does surprise us. We're like, really? How long you've been crossfitting? Oh, five years. And you've never heard of us. Not once. Like you like all the top athletes use our stuff, right? By choice. We don't pay them to use it. We don't sponsor athletes anymore. So everybody you see using a jump rope on the floor, they're doing it because they choose to. And usually people will look at what their idols are using.

Oh, what grips are they using? What knee sleeves are they using? What jump rope? And they would search out those brands, right? And it's funny. There are people that have still never heard of us. So, you know, the silver lining to that means we still have we still have, you know, new customers that we can engage with and and hopefully build a relationship with, you know. Hey, that's what I think, too. I think that probably two percent of the people in the podcast or in the CrossFit space have heard of the Sevan podcast.

And that really excites me because then I just think, oh shit, that the market's going to be is massive. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Great way to look at it. Yeah. The potential is massive.

Pretty awesome to hear the winningest CrossFitter of all time, Rich Froning, talk about his favorite jump rope at the 24.2 open workout i'm proud proud to point out that we do not pay any athletes to use or promote our products we love hearing athletes talk about rx gear because we know it's always organic and from the heart it's a fun conversation on the rich froning podcast number 27 the conversation about jumping ropes is from 1735 to 2135 if you want to give it a listen. I say this with absolute peace and love. You cannot trust a fucking word from 99% of the fucking athletes. They are complete motherfucking sellouts.

Now, now, someone, you don't want them to make money. No, make your money. Eat your fucking Mickey D's switch from shoe to shoe to shoe. I don't trust a fucking word. They say nothing. I think that they it is it has gone beyond embarrassing it has gone in the lack of honesty like if they were just to be like yo i wear these shoes now and thank you for the money bling bling motherfucker that was the greatest thing about greg glassman taught me uh don't ever sell what comes out of your mouth

at the end of the day all you have is your word so we'll take the reebok money we're no fucking way i'm gonna not criticize you for the shoe that has the we're gonna still ass pound you if you make a dumb shoe you you can't i'll take money from marble marble lights but i will also i have to also tell you that those will kill you and fuck up your fran time. Boy, when I saw that post that you made, I was really excited about it because I hear – man, I'll tell you who's done a great job. So like Daniel Brandon is like loyal to a fault to Rad, right? Yeah.

Like that's what I want to fucking see just a complete savage like i ass pounded those guys for something dumb they said and she's like fuck you ain't coming on your show anymore and i'm like at a girl you know what i mean they're her fucking sponsor yeah and i suspect she probably has equity in the company but but that's i i would love i love seeing um i love seeing that i i just really love seeing that. I just really love seeing that. When did you realize that it wasn't the way to go? And by the way, I think it's a little bit of a mischaracterization to say you don't sponsor athletes just because everyone knows

in the CrossFit space how generous you are to athletes. You are extremely, extremely generous, but you just don't have any um i think a better way to say it is you don't have any contractual obligations with them um you but you've been everyone knows the stories in the space of how generous you've been to athletes and what you've done for them um appreciate it but but why don't you why don't you do this sign on the dotted line uh you better only be seen carrying my rope. And when did you wake up to that? Probably actually, oh, geez, what are we looking at? Six or seven years ago, we had a huge roster, like we had people on payroll, all the biggest names, right? And we just kind of evolved into that by mistake, just because we already had these relationships. And, you know, they were

already using our ropes, and we were already coaching them and you know they were already using our ropes and we were already coaching them and spending time with them but then we were they were people were getting contracts from other companies right shoe contracts supplement contracts apparel contracts so we just kind of followed suit right we felt cheap like oh geez i feel like we we have to do this too so we started sponsoring athletes, giving me a contract. And, of course, with that, it's like, okay, we're going to pay you $300 a month, $500 a month, $1,000 a month, depending on – it was based on your following at the time. And, you know, we'd have expectations, right, the deliverables. You need to make four posts a month.

And just – we figure you've got to be using your jump rope once a week at least if you're warming up or doing a double under workout, at least once a week. So four times a month you can do some kind of shout out of some sort. It just got to a point where that wasn't happening. The athletes, what we found is athletes don't like to do that. Athletes like to train. They want to train.

They want to recover, take their supplements. They don't want to to train, right? They want to train, they want to recover, take their supplements. They don't want to promote products, right? Most of them. Some of them are good at it. Some of them know how to do it well. Most of them don't. And so we weren't getting the deliverables and it was starting to like really sour the relationship because we're like, oh, geez, we're paying you and you're not, you're not meaning you're into the, of the bargain. If someone gives you money, you should feel an obligation to give them back more than what they paid for. I mean, like if you, if, if you're a smart business person,

if you're a good person, if you believe in yourself. So like any sponsor who gives me money, it's like, fuck paper street coffee, nonstop 24 seven. You know what I mean? Thank you. Oh, paper street coffee. Get your deal. Yeah. You want them and they don't think like that. And I'm not saying that that's bad on them. I'm just saying they're not ready for sponsors until they're willing to do that. I think. Sure. Right. Like, Hey, I'm taking Dave's hard earned money.

I better, I better sell more than, than, uh, if he makes a dollar per jump rope i need to sell 500 jump ropes a month if he's giving me 500 bucks you know what you know it's really interesting um athletes i mean most all the most athletes we have relationships with right and yeah and they love you i mean look at dylan people love you to death no i appreciate that they're awesome and they're good people. Yeah. But here's what's really, really ironic is that of 15 years of doing this and helping athletes and giving them free gear or coaching them, doing whatever we can do on our end to help.

I've gotten one thank you card. And I have that thank you card posted up on my desk, you know, and I don't again, I don't expect like you said, I don't expect it in return. I shouldn't do it if I'm expecting anything back. Right. Like we will set the ground rules. Right now. Right now we have a marketing team that says, hey, you know, if we're going to give away free stuff to an athlete, you know, give us a shout out, something small in the beginning. to an athlete, you know, give us a shout out, something small in the beginning, and then we don't ask too much from them. And then, you know, anytime we want to, you know, borrow somebody's time or rent somebody's time to do some type of promotion together, then we'll pay them to do that one specific engagement, whatever it might be. Right. Right. But otherwise, yeah, we don't have we don't we don't do contracts. We have no expectations for anybody to shout us out or promote us or do anything like that. Right. Cause athletes don't want to, they want to work out. We're happy with that. So, um, the one thank you card, can you guess who

that is? I have one thank you card. I just told him this too. Uh, the other weekend when I saw him, I said, you know, it was a boy. It was a boy. It was a boy. And it was the only person that I've ever received a handwritten thank you card that said dave uh really appreciate you know your your support and i really loved getting your packages on my doorstep you know yada yada yada what year what year is it from can you tell me um crap hold on let me i can figure this out because i gotta i gotta i will tell you this this is the first name that popped in my head scott Panchick, but, but I'm not, that's not my guess.

I want, I want to, I want to, I need to know the year because I could see Josh Everett. I could see if it's old school, I could see Josh Everett doing it too. Nope. Those are both great friends. Those are both great friends and great humans, but no, it wasn't them. Hold on. Let me think. Let me go through.

Let me go. I'm going to go through the podium list backwards. So Adler was last year before that uh i could see no olson these are great guesses someone says james sprague another great guest no olson great guess god i'm trying to think of his last year on the podium um uh how long has he been retired shit i might I just probably gave it away by saying that. Oh, someone says Ben Smith. No, Ben's a good dude.

Love Ben. 20, was it 2019? Oh, no, 2020. I think 2020 was the last time he was on the podium. And there were only five dudes at the games in 2020. There you go. Narrowed it down for you. So there was either a Sam Quant, a Noah Olsen, a Matt Fraser.

Noah Olsen, Sam Quant. Oh, okay. Yeah, thank you. Let's cheat. Fuck this. Justin Medeiros, Jeff Adler. Was it Fraser? Yep. Hey, you know, what's crazy is how much stuff he does behind the scenes. I had like, I had these dudes on who are spending like life in prison and they're like, yeah, I talked to Matt once a week. I'm like, what the fuck? Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. That's really cool. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Matt's Matt. Matt's a good dude. He's a good dude. So yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt's Matt. Matt's a good dude. He's a good dude. So, yeah, that's really good. I respect that. So, yeah, it's the only only thank you card, which was really which is really nice. But yeah, anyway, we have a great relationship with the athletes. We like the way it is now. Yeah. You know, not we'll try and financially support athletes that really need financial support. If we work something out, that's mutually beneficial right but right typically you know what we like to say is listen you just use our stuff you go train you be the best you can be on the floor we'll find ways to promote our relationship right like give us give us the um the approval to promote our relationship right so you know that's that's worked really well and you know and i never

have to worry if somebody's just using our stuff to collect a paycheck because there were people in the past that were doing that they would drop us drop us like a bad habit to to go get a better paycheck so um david do you have any um uh cool stories where it's like uh five minutes before an event and patrick velner runs up to your booth and he's like, dude, Dave, can't find my rope or my rope snapped. Or can you make me rope? You got any fun stories? Do you remember Zach Karketty? I remember the name. I can't picture the face.

Zach Karketty was this scrapper athlete that made it to the games. I think he might've gone twice. Gosh, I met Zach through Doug Chapman I think Zach was at one of his camps training camps and Zach's not a big dude he's not a big dude at all um but just a scrapper a great athlete and so yeah literally he was in Madison and um and I get a text message he's like Dave I don't have my rope like they they brought all the athletes over from their kind of over from their locker room area, hang under it, and they took them to the back warm-up area of the arena. He's like, I'm up in the first heat, and I don't have my rope.

We have double-unders in it. It was the repeat workout with double-unders and thrusters, I think. They had to go all the way across the floor. Remember? What year was that again? Zach Karketty? No, what year was this event? Oh, that was probably 2019, I want to say.

18 or 19 for sure. Yeah, maybe 19. Okay, I think I recognize that, dude. Yes, yes. So there he is right there. Yep, yep. So Zach texted me. He's like, I need a rope. And I said, what's your size? And this is the thing. Any athletes that might be listening right now, you should know your rope size, like you know, your freaking shoe size, right? If you got to go run a 5k at the games, you don't want shoes that are too tight or too floppy right you want

the shoes that you know fit you perfectly so you can run fleet footed well same same thing with a jump rope if you you should be able to jump with any size rope technically you should be able to jump with just about any size rope but you should know what is optimal like what is your ideal optimal length and commit that to memory and so so, and that's what Zach did. This was, I tell the story when I teach workshops all the time. So Zach texts me, he's like, we're up in a few minutes. I don't have my rope. I said, what size are you?

He said, eight, four. Perfect. I'll be right there. So we put together a rope that was identical to what he was used to using. Right. Yeah. Sprinted for the stadium. Like there in your booth at the games,

the team got together and assembled one. Yeah, I put it together myself. It took two minutes, right? Like super fast, put it together, sprinted to the arena. Luckily, I had tickets to get into the Alliant Energy Arena. And so I'm running around the outside concourse, really not knowing where to even

find him right so i just happened to pick pick a tunnel ran through it ran down the stairs up to the railing and got lucky because it happened to be like lined up with where they were setting their jump ropes on the floor yeah and zach was like in the center of the floor like middle middle aisle one of the did he have a temporary rope with him he brought something from somebody yeah he brought something from somebody because they center of the floor, like middle aisle. Did he have a temporary rope with him? He brought something from somebody. Yeah, he brought something from somebody because they were on the floor and getting ready to go. So he's literally out there putting his rope down, and he's pretty much the only guy. I remember this like it was yesterday.

It was almost he was the only guy on the floor. Everybody else already had their ropes lined up, and they had all backed up against the rig. You had to have your hand against the rig to start yeah and or against the wall and so he's literally setting this rope up and i i yell out zach and i'm holding this rope right and it was all coiled up still right and i'm holding it and uh and so he's like he looks at me he looks at his rope i think dave said you know athletes 30 seconds right he kind of gave him a 30 second warning and so he chucks that rope in his hands he chucks it across the floor sprints over grabs the rope out of my hand and then he just kind of like throws it down he can't even really get it

unraveled he just kind of throws it down yeah which that was a big mistake by the way so he throws it down and then he sprints back and he gets against the wall with maybe like you know 10 seconds before it's time to go right could you imagine like your heart right you're trying to get ready to go and get focused and he's like dilly-dallying with all this and it was just I just remember it's so funny because everybody that was sitting in the stands around where I handed off the rope were looking at me like well well, you know, that was probably important, you know, you got a rope. So anyways, three, two, one, go. And he runs out. And, um, when he picks up the rope for the first set of double unders, it was still all coiled up. And he, he, he made the

mistake of, you know, in her panic, he tried to put his foot down in the middle of the rope and just pull up on the handles. You see people do that do that a lot yeah and that put the nastiest kink in the in the cable right that cable just bent up like a like a paper clip oh shit yeah which you can't jump with it like that i mean it was like a nasty kink and so he had to unbend it like grab it real quick try and unbend the kink and then he got started and except for that first round i think he tripped once on that first round he went unbroken on all the remaining rounds and which was phenomenal right because it was yeah he knew his size and it fit him perfectly and so yeah so that was that was the that was the best case best best uh story to to your question what a great story. And how did he have your number? You just knew him just from the scene?

Yeah. I mean, most, most of the athletes that we work with have my, have my number and I coach them or, you know, they'll send me a video to critique or we'll set up like after, after I'm done with you,

I've got a couple of athletes that I'm going to be doing some zoom sessions with and working with trying to, uh, clean up some, some techniques. So, um with trying to, uh, clean up some, some techniques. So, um, yeah, so most, most athletes can get ahold of me. We saw, uh, two athletes doing this, uh, this year at the semifinals where they had one hand close to them and one hand away from them. They, they did, they weren't in symmetry. And if anyone wants to see a great video

where they, uh, not only does dave point out um flaws but there's these two videos where he analyzes laura horvath's uh technique are awesome i highly recommend everyone watch these he goes through and breaks down to just the fine minutiae of everything she does correct here uh to be successful at doing double unders from placement of the rope to how she picks it up to how she first engages it to her arm position, everything. But this thing with Haley Adams, everyone saw, and I remember seeing the ropes that the one arm guys used.

And I, and I remember people, I remember thinking, wow, they should make, they should, I'm okay. I think it's functional and they should make two arm people do that too. I always thought it was cool. And all my buddies were shitting on me. They're like, no, no, they should make, they should, I'm okay. I think it's functional and they should make two armed people do that too. I always thought it was cool. And all my buddies were shitting on me. They're like, no, no, no. But basically is that, is that how you're explaining what the fix is for can you, can you go through that? How did, how did Haley Adams get this far with the cockeyed stance?

And then can you talk to us about the fix? Did she contact you or you just made that as a psa no no um yeah no i'm i've been so we've known hayley since she was like 14 years old like okay yeah she she reached out when she was a teen athlete and was such a sweetheart and she's just like you know i love your all jump ropes and i'd love to represent you you know so wow good impersonation that was good oh thank you, you know, so. Wow. Good impersonation. That was good. Oh, thank you. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. So we actually started sponsoring Haley, you know, and back then we were sponsoring, that's when we were kind of paying athletes, but, but we, with Haley, we treated her differently, right? She was a teen athlete and, um, you know, we just, we didn't, we didn't want it to become a job. So we, we had no, like with our agreement with her, we had no

expectations, like, no no you didn't have to post for us don't do anything just go train have fun you know i knew that the minute it was going to turn into a job where she had to do all these other things outside of just training and recovering um you know that that's going to take a toll on a young person so so uh yeah so you know we've we've we've supported Haley, like I said, since she was like 14 years old, but, um, but, uh, but I've never spent a lot of time coaching Haley. When I met Haley, she was pretty good at double unders. I mean, she could do 200 unbroken, you know, literally she was, she was really consistent. And then over the years,

though, I did notice she started getting a little bit lopsided. And I don't know why athletes do this. I don't know if they just develop certain tightness in their bodies. Yeah, I don't really know the answer to that. But I would go visit, you know, Mayhem twice a year when I go out to teach at Power Monkey Camp. We would always do a field trip. And I'd go up to rich's barn and visit with those guys kind of tune up their ropes get everybody you know cleaned up and and see hayley and i started noticing a little bit of her imbalance and i and i remember bringing it up to her one time too

and she kind of dismissed it at the time because it wasn't it wasn't an issue back then uh at least to her it wasn't an issue but um and if athlete doesn't want to be coached i won't try and coach him like i i won't i won't you know get involved because they got to want to make a change uh in order to make a change because it's it's not going to be comfortable so hayley thinks it's because she injured her ankle uh a while back and she started jumping a little bit lopsided because you know kind of protecting her ankle and she thinks that's what led to her her arms you know doing that so so she knew going in like it was you know she's so self-aware I mean for

such a young a young person she's so mature and she's super self-aware and she's like look i gotta i was actually working with her for a little bit before the semi-finals but it was just it was it was it was too late to make any big changes and so uh she knew she just needed to get through that workout and i was probably going to be her worst workout and she was right like she just needed to get through it and she considering you considering that flaw, she actually did really well. I thought, um, I stood up, I stood up on the mezzanine behind her and I was, you know, videotaping and, and, um, so yeah, so, you know, that's just a funky imbalance. And, um, you know, a lot of times when people just train with speed ropes all the time, speed ropes, you know, the thin wire rope and just, they, they let people get lazy, you know, uh wire rope and just they they let people get lazy

you know your arms just kind of wander where they want to go and you know most people have a dominant arm anyway one arm that's doing most all the turning the other arms just kind of posting up and and not doing much we call it the Milli Vanilli syndrome what one hand singing the, the other one's lip syncing. And so, yeah, so hers just got really drastic. And so literally, you know, I was just kind of brainstorming and chatting with her coaches, Josh, Josh and Haley. And I've known her coach, Haley Murillo, known her for years because she was she was a top athlete in Southern california i was going to regionals every year yeah she was a stud and is a stud still now she's a stud mama so uh yeah so i just started brainstorming different uh ways that we could try and get her to start i mean we've made

tons of tools i think we've made more training tools for jump rope than i think any other company you know all other companies combined let's put it that way. And so, because I always geek out on trying to fix people's problems, you know. And so, yeah, this little demo was for a guy in Italy that I'm working with. And, you know, he reached out through social media, and he has this real weird, this weird glitch with one hand when he's rotating the rope and so um so i made one of these for hayley and and mailed it to her but i wanted to he's in italy so i just want to show him how he could make make one himself real easily so that he could you know start training right away um so this was just part of it. This, I made her some other, other training tools that she's working with as well, just to try and find balance. It's all just about just creating symmetry and balance. So you have, you know, a clean environment and, and nice, nice tolerance for the rope to pass your feet and head. So, yeah, this was a fun little thing. So to your point, the funny thing is, I, that was basically like a homemade monorope, right? For adaptive athletes. Yeah, I actually

made that years ago out of PVC pipe. And I made it years ago, I mean, probably 1213 years ago, and I made it to use with two hands so that people could jump rope just like I was kind of demonstrating there but they could literally jump rope with it using two hands and then you can see visually see the imbalance of your hands right that bar will be tilting because one hand is doing all the turning the other hand is not doing much and so everything that causes a little bit of a of a pull on the rope to one side. And so. So, yeah, so that that originally was just a kind of a training tool and teaching tool for people with two hands.

And turned out that it was just that was the solution for adaptive athletes as well. So it's kind of blind luck. I wonder if not. I wonder if not, I wonder, I know that if someone had one of those monoropes and you're an athlete, uh, uh, who has both their hands, that it would be good for you. Neurologically, physically, mentally, I don't know all that, whatever, you name it, balance, stability, stamina, where all that shit. If you, if you learn how to do it with both your hands, sure that basically learn how to do that with both your hands. It's like my kids. I teach that we spend time throwing balls right and left-handed on the regular.

Like it's just so, it's so important. Yeah. Or yesterday they were training, a strike, you know, we hang a little tennis ball in the garage, tie it to the ceiling and then put it on a rubber band in the middle. And they do rounds 30 seconds with the tennis ball, you know, it and finesse and i make them switch stances same with baseball like especially my kids who like don't play baseball like you got to swing the bat with both hands you have to so that's awesome yeah i can't see and it sounds like a great warm-up to me too i think that there's so much room still in the space uh for innovation i noticed that when i've seen andrew hiller these other people now doing these long form pieces that are more intimate with the athletes i'm

kind of surprised at how many of them are limited in their scope of of tools that they're using to make themselves better kind of like their ignorance like like like you'll hear an athlete who's who's won the games and they still don't really they haven't learned the fundamentals of snatching or something or they go to the game maybe not won the games and you're like what the fuck right that means they're just going they're still on raw talent yeah and hard work you know it's like wow you you hit it on the head and that's that's the interesting thing like i'm uh you know there are athletes um that i've i've offered to their coaches, you know, like, hey, you know, I think so-and-so is leaving some money on the table. They can be much more efficient at their jump rope.

And, you know, just with their positioning, with their rope sizing, I mean, there's so many things you can do to make yourself better, even if it's just 0.1% better, right? Right, right. Right. Right. And the problem is most, most of these athletes, you know, there's so many things that they have to be ready for and be good at that. They feel like, ah, you know what, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty solid with a jump rope. I don't have, I don't really have any issues with it. You know, like I can go on broken, no big deal. And, uh, and so they just, they choose not to spend the time on that per se, right? Like they just don't feel like that's the biggest need or necessity and they might be right i mean i'm i just all i can do is offer and just say hey i noticed something here that i think you can you can work on uh that'll

that'll help and and you know that's why like i was just out last week working with laura horvath and you know laura is is um one of those that absolutely, if she can be a little bit better, then she'll do it, right? Like she'll take the time and listen and practice and try and make herself that much better. And that's why I made that post about her or actually that post critiquing her technique. critiquing her technique. She won the Europeans, but I wrote a separate blog article that, you know, our ghostwriter kind of changed up. But I wrote a separate article basically breaking down that she beat everybody worldwide at that workout. So her first place finish was better than everybody's first place finish, know uh and and so tia was the closest one to as far as women go right of the women and so tia was almost three not quite

three seconds behind her but three seconds is the difference between first place and second place right yeah yeah and so and so that's one of those things, you know, that, you know, and Tia went unbroken. But maybe if Tia's rope was a little bit shorter, she could go a little bit faster and she would have been three seconds faster. You know what I mean? Like there's these little things that that just depends on where you want to. You know, Matt Frazier was another one of those guys that that I would go spend time with Matt in his garage in Cookville and and work with him. And, you know here he's the best in the world right five-time champion and he would take the time to listen and apply the techniques and and try and get better right even just even at jump rope he was really good

at jump rope when i met him but he got better you know so yeah So, yeah. So I, so I really respect those athletes that, you know, just will turn over every single rock, you know, and try and get better. Are you going to have a booth at Dickie's? We are. We are. Yes. Yeah. Excited about that. Yeah. I mean, excited and nervous. And what are you nervous about just as a new location? Yeah. You know, I mean, it, it, it I mean, I'm sure the location is going to be great.

It's just, you know, hoping that we get the turnout, right? With the games being so fragmented now with adaptives in one area or, you know, different event, Masters a different event. You know, we don't have that same audience that we were used to seeing, you know, for all the years of the games. You would have Masters, Te teens, and adaptives, as well as individuals all converge. So when everybody else is done competing, they're all sticking around to watch the Indies typically, right? And, you know, they're shopping, you know,

we'd get to see them and spend time with them. And so, you know, we're hopeful now it's only the Indies and the teams, you know, we're hoping that, you know, We're hopeful now it's only the indies and the teams. We're hoping that CrossFit's marketing well and getting bodies out there. It's not cheap. To be there for us, honestly, we're happy to break even. If we could go and make our money back, we're happy to participate. Like for us, that's supporting the, you know, the event and, and, uh, you know, hopefully meeting new people, touching some lives. Um, but we don't like to go and take a bath. And there've been times in the past where we've gone and taken a

bath, you know, on the cost. So, um, so hopefully we're, we're hopeful it's going to be a good event. How is Carson? Did you take a bath there? Yeah. Carson was bittersweet because I, yeah, we, we, we, we didn't do great there as far as sales go. And you were in a great spot too. And by the way, it's a great experience at the, at the RX Mark your booth. I'm not just saying that because you're on there. Like anyone who goes there has a great experience. Everyone there is cool.

The jump ropes are like candy. People will talk to you. They'll measure you. I mean, you'll feel like you're being treated like a King when you're there. I appreciate it. Yeah. Great experience. Yeah. No, you know what? Carson was, I was so stoked when those guys picked that venue for us, it's just, you know, a couple hours up the freeway. And you know, that, that was where we went to our very first games in 2010. And we went to every single games that we were there, that it was hosted there. And so, yeah, nobody really knows why.

It just didn't have as much traffic. I mean, the guys, they ran a great event. Great event. The vibe was good. It was so fun. Yeah. What a missed opportunity for any CrossFitter in the area or non-CrossFitter. It was a sweet event. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I don't know.

We don't know if it was just Memorial weekend and people were off doing other things, but yeah, you know, Dylan and Alex and all the crew from loud and live. I mean, they, they put on an awesome event and, you know, even, and I did not mind not selling as well, you know, up there just because I loved being there and just soaking it all in. And, you know, I got on my one wheel and I rode all around the entire event, like visiting all the places where each year where our booth had been, you know, like every year just had a different story and a different vibe and just as it grew and grew and grew. So it was really cool to, for me anyway, for selfish reasons, to go back. You know, loved it. So you'll be at the games.

Anyone can come visit. Get your custom rope. And it'll be cool. I hope I go. I hope I get to see you there. Oh, you better go. Yeah. And my garage is full.

By the way, all my kids use your ropes. My wife uses uses your rope we have the hanger so that the ropes aren't messy um yeah so so i appreciate everything you do and it's fun it's nice using a really nice rope it's like one of those it's really nice yeah for sure did you want to talk about the whole grip debacle with that was that sure sure sure no no but sure i'd like to hear about it i the thing is i i uh the grip debacle i'll lay it out then you could unfuck it um basically there were grips there's alex smith grip uh very popular ton of people used it and you're from a gymnastics background and gymnasts will have a dowel in there i guess their grips to help them stay on especially like i, on those high bars or the big swing bars. And so you had a stitching in your grip that they thought was so thick that maybe it would

give the effects of the dowel. So they banned the Alex Smith grip. Yeah. Well, yeah, you hit it on the head, except I don't think they specifically created that rule because of the Smith grip. I don't think they looked at it and said, oh, that's something that shouldn't be there. I think they just tried to write a blanket rule to prevent trying to prevent somebody, anybody from doing something different. I think they just didn't want somebody to maybe stitch the grip somewhere else like maybe in the middle like where a dowel would be right okay okay right so they just wrote kind of a blanket like hey you you can't have a folded

stitch and it can't be double thickness anywhere on the grip so they're just basically just carte blanche right and and ours which which you know these type of grips that Alex Smith designed, right? Like these have been this style where you don't connect your fingers, right? You just kind of flap it over a bar. Yeah. Alec was the first one to design those, and we were the first ones to have those on the market. And they've been in the games longer than any other grip of its type. And all of a sudden in fact laura

laura uses these grips right so she's been on the podium last three years in a row using these grips and then all of a sudden this year hey you can't use those grips right so that was quite shocking quite surprising and even after we explained that this provides you know that little stitch seam provides no benefit and in fact if you try to put your hand on that part of the grip it actually makes it worse you actually can't hang onto the bar makes it thicker makes it thicker yeah it just doesn't work properly right so we we put it on there because it looks like a finished product right yeah it looks good it looks good looks nice every other grip they look like this they just look they look like you know an afterthought we just cut it out and send them

out ship them out and i just thought that looks kind of crappy so we we finished it but it does serve a functional purpose like you know when you when you go to jump on the bar you got to kind of pinch the grip like this because you want to you know i got a piece of pvc you want to throw the grip over the bar right and so when you do it it helps these these little wings that we put in here it just makes it a little bit more rigid can you see that yep yeah a little more rigid so then also as soon as you throw it over the bar like our hope is that you never want the grip to double back and get stuck under your palm. You don't want that to happen because that's when people get locked on the bar and their wrists will get stuck on top of the bar like if they're doing a bar muscle-up.

So when they go below the bar, their wrists will be hung up and they can really injure their wrists. So this is hopefully a little heavier so it'll kind of like hang away from the bar and, you know, just be a little bit safer. You don't want it to go under and cinch it tight. Yep, exactly. Okay. Yeah, so it's really a safety feature as well as it just looks nicer and it gives that little rigidity to kind of pinch it and throw it over. But, you know, I talked with Boz and with Castro about it. So for this season, they said, well, we're not going to change it this season. But they said that we could bring it back up and discuss it as soon as the season's over.

And I'm hoping that we can get them to change the wording. Because to me, that's just, you know, I get the intention and it's well-intentioned, but very poorly executed. Because every other semifinal got to use their grips unhindered, right? And then all of a sudden, it's this very last semifinal, and now they're being told, hey, by the way, that doesn't work, right? What caused it? What caused it? So basically, Jorge Fernandez was the first person that got flagged for it. So when they were staged up, you know, back in the warm-up area and they get staged up to march onto the floor,

they have an equipment person walking down the line checking everybody's equipment and had him turn his palm over. And she saw the stitching. And this one judge or equipment person knew the rules. I guess nobody else knew the rules but one person did and said hey you know technically you can't use those because you can't have a folded stitch and um but that person said go ahead that you can use them for that first event with all the toaster bar right the yeah toaster bar so they let him use it for that workout but then after that they said you can't use them now so you got either cut off the top or cut out the stitching or do something like that. Right.

So Daniel Brandon had to cut hers. Ben Smith had to, you know, there were several athletes that just didn't use them. They went out without them. Hey, but is this is this rule new or is the rule always been there? And finally, a judge saw it and didn't like it? No, I think the rule was put in for this year. That's why none of us caught it. So what was originally the reason for putting it in? Like why would they add that rule this year even before seeing Jorge's grip? Do we know?

Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know if they caught somebody perhaps that did try and game it and put a stitch in there. Right. Like, OK, well, here's the crazy thing, Savan. What they're trying to prevent is an unfair advantage and you can't have a dowel effect. We don't want anybody to tweak their grip to make a dowel effect. Right. to make a dowel effect, right? So here's the thing. Traditional grips, right? Any grip that you connect your fingers to, any grip. The minute you put your fingers in the grip and the grip is connected to your wrist,

when you're connected in two places on the grip, the minute you grab the bar, you have extra material. The extra material, it has to go somewhere, right? That's just, it is what it is. So when you grab a bar with any grip that your fingers are connected to, guess what you're going to have? So you can get the dowel effect from the extra material. You're going to have a fold and the fold provides a dowel effect. And that's legal. Like you're allowed to wear finger grips. Like there's no rule in the rule book that says you can't put your fingers in the hole.

You have to just slap it over, right? So that's a big inconsistency, and that's something I have a problem with. So by the way, that's why this is the new, if I throw a plug in, Alex Smith three-finger grip. So we're coming out with these shortly. Oh, those are cool. Yeah, those will be cool. So that's the thing is that the rules are just not being evenly applied across the board you know the other issue is that there are a lot of synthetic materials out there that grip companies are using and those like if it's black if it's black it's

kind of like a vinyl or a rubber or somewhat something other than like a leather or suede those some of those materials are so sticky on a bar right like if you throw them over a bar it doesn't budge right and so there's a big you know discussion a lot of chatter kind of in the fitness world across the world is number one is that ideal does that make it better like the fact that you're getting more help and you don't have to rely on your own grip strength is that making you a better athlete right so that's one topic discussion point the other thing is if you just read the rule book exactly how it's written now the one that disallow disallows our grips yeah it specifically says you cannot have grips that assist your assist you in holding onto the bar, and you can't have a grip where the surface is tacky or sticky. Okay.

So none of those grips are disallowed. Like every one of those grips that they're even promoted, you can go look at these different like commercials and videos, and it says these grips are so sticky you can hang on for more reps, right? Oh, there is. I don't want to say the grip name because I don't want to be mean to them. But there is an argument out there going around about a very certain grip that's pretty popular right now that people are suggesting is actually injuring athletes' wrists. Could that be why?

Because they're sticking? I've seen the video. Yeah, I've seen the videos. Yeah. Well, and first, a couple injuries popped up, and no one was saying anything and attributing to other stuff. And then all of a sudden and then the thing is also is Andrew Hiller pointed out to me that some of those athletes that are sponsored by that grip are actually not wearing that grip anymore. And that's what made him go, oh, that's weird. You're not wearing that grip anymore and injuries are happening from it.

So in all. Yeah, that's happened. So in all fairness, in all fairness, I know exactly the grip the brand you're talking about but um here's the here's the thing in all fairness we don't know if those injuries were caused because the grips were too sticky right my point about the stickiness is just that it violates the rules as the rules are written if they're going to take the the Smith grip with the fold and say, hey, you've got a fold in it and it's stiff, you can't have that. Then these other grips that are tacky or sticky, the rule says exactly that. The grips cannot be tacky or sticky or cannot assist you in hanging onto the bar.

Well, that's tough to judge because all grips do. Even these grips help you hang onto the bar longer than if you didn't have the grips. Right. Because they they protect you from tearing. If you don't tear, you can hang on to the bar longer. So just by by nature of having a grip, it helps you hang on to the bar longer. So that's such a vague rule to have. But the people that were getting injured, what I don't know, that's why I don't want to, you know, I'm not throwing any company under the bus. I'm just really drawing parallels with the way the rules are written and what else is out there. And this grip seems to be the only one that's being called into question is that, you know, we talked about the grip lockup where if the grip wraps around and gets stuck under itself like that. Yeah.

That's how you can injure your wrist. and gets stuck under itself like that. Yeah. That's how you can injure your wrist. So, you know, I know that that can happen. That can even happen with our grips because athletes always want to miss size these type of grips. The grips that you don't connect your fingers on and you just, you just throw it over the bar like that.

Yeah. A lot of athletes, you'll see them when they're on the bar, this edge will be down to their forearm. It'll be way down here way too long so when athletes are open their palm up with the grips they want to see the grips all the way up to their or past their fingertips right and and when you have a long grip like that and especially a grip that doesn't have a stitched edge those are the ingredients for that lock up to happen right yeah so it can happen it's happened with our grip people have like mis-sized because they always felt like they need a longer grip uh they weren't used to seeing a grip stop halfway up their fingers but this is the way it

should be hey people did people did they outlaw the long grip because um they didn't want people using it as a dowel i'm not sure why they outlawed that i i honestly they didn't want people using it as a dowel i'm not sure why they outlawed that i i honestly i don't know i don't know why they're on that what about what about oh if i'm going to like if i'm if i'm somewhere and i'm gonna i've never used grips but if i'm gonna go somewhere dave and i'm gonna climb something whether it be a steel pole or a rope and i want stickiness you know what i do what's that hot too yeah yeah buddy what are you laughing at what are you laughing at what are you laughing at be careful you're gonna go viral what are you laughing you know you're gonna be up on a concert stage with a music star i mean

literally i'll be in front of a big massive pole buddy and i can't get any purchase on it and if i give it a hot too i can get all the purchase i want i taught my kids that yeah some people think that's immoral uh no not at all nothing like nothing like some saliva crossfitters will do it on their grips right crossfitters will oh they will they'll spit on their grips too wow what is it about saliva well i mean spit is sticky right like yeah but but what's weird is there's two uses i have for it climbing poles and and then some other uses and one of them's for lube and one of them's for sticking is it's weird it's like it's like so multi multifunctional does the stick make things

more sticky yes does the lube things up yeah whoa what a remarkable product maybe you should bottle that and sell it yeah i think well i think when you're already talk to a tube now when you spit on your on your grips or hands and then you add chalk to it i think that you know that mixture definitely makes it more you know more tacky for sure so yeah yeah yeah so i'm glad i was able to work that into the show. Yeah, that was a pretty good segue, actually. Thank you. Great segue. All right, buddy. Hey, great having you on.

I can't believe it's been this long. You have a great face to see everywhere I go. You're a great man. Likewise. I'm always glad. You're one of the reasons why it's fun being in this space, in this ecosystem, so thank you. Likewise, man. Appreciate it very much. Love what you're doing of the reasons why it's fun being in this space and this ecosystem so thank you oh likewise man appreciate appreciate it very much thank you and hopefully i see you at the games

hopefully well well why hopefully why aren't you going why do you not know i didn't because it's just it's um i like you i don't want to take a i don't want to take a bath i need to make sure that i they you know it's a new venue uh there's always you know there's always new people coming there who are in charge and so i got to make sure i jump through the right hoops to get the access i can get and um so if i can get that day yeah then i'll be there and contributing at the highest level so well i look forward to that without you thanks dude all right have a yep have a good day you too dave newman ceo of rx smart gear alright have a good day you too Dave Newman CEO of RX Smartgear

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But one thing he does not do under any circumstance is demand that blacks, browns, crippleds, gays, he does not demand that any of them play the victim. He does not demand that any of them play the victim and he and he doesn't feel sorry for you he does not demand you play the victim and that and and and and then okay and so let's say best case scenario best case scenario uh joe biden feels pity and sorry for you if you're black brown other crippled whatever gay he feels sorry for you and he demands he demands you play the victim and take and and and stay on the plantation and be limited at your ability to be free and uh enjoy yourself that's like the in sorry not enjoy yourself and to grow and to grow that is so that's your that's your best case scenario. You can be with a guy you can you can go for a guy that Feel sorry and pity for you

And then demands you live up to that expectation or It can be Um, uh It can be The guy who Does not who hates you And demands nothing from you Except for you To believe in yourself like he still believes in you

Even though he hates you he still believes in you I always want I always Like someone who's threatened by you that means they believe In you But by the way that I also Don't think those are the choices i think that's like worst i think that's like worst possible scenario if you vote republican if you're black brown or gay and uh and best case scenario if you're a democrat and you vote

democrat but the truth is probably um uh trump does not absolutely does not hate anyone based on their color of their skin like or dislike or make any association based on color skin and he completely fucking believes in you that's probably what we're dealing with i just keep seeing all of this uh demanding from the left that people play the victim role it's fucking crazy you know if someone feels sorry for you you'll live up to it you know what i mean if someone starts giving you sympathy you'll you'll fall into the role right it's like woe is me i can't do it say that again it's like woe is me i can't do it i've never yeah yeah yeah hey don't yeah like hey don't yeah hey we know i know you're dumb i know you're illiterate i know

you're not capable i know your upbringing wasiterate. I know you're not capable. I know your upbringing was hard. They give you a narrative that you can kind of feel safe and protected in. Don't worry. Here's your bread. Here's your government bread. Hold your hand through everything. They'll give you anything that you need.

Host of the BET Awards went on a Biden rant. Yeah, it's modern-day slavery. It's exactly what it is. It's crazy it's total modern day slavery i'd like to hear the rant yeah i think i was i was just watching a video uh like an uncut interview with Trump while he was president with 60 Minutes. Yeah.

He was telling the I think it was Leslie. I can't remember her name. Yeah, Leslie Stahl. They cut out this part where he was like, you know the media... I saw that too. 60 Minutes completely fucking fucked him. They just cut out like the

best part or it was like hey you know like the media you have a fiduciary duty in the media to as as press to like talk about everything investigate every any thread that's possible like whether it's hunter biden's laptop or whether it's a russian collusion just investigate it report on it do something about it yeah but at that point at that point he was telling him like you guys are not doing your duty like you like you know people look at you poorly and she's like no you're just saying that you're just like and he was like giving her an out like you guys you telling her that you can fix whatever it is that your your problem is but they just refuse to and i like i like 60 minutes every once in a while you know like they do a pretty good job of like

asking some questions that some other people wouldn't but when they came out and filmed with greg when they came out and filmed with greg i tell i found out right away they're complete pieces of shit i can't tell you unfortunately i can't tell you what i saw the complete pieces of shit complete doctored it's so fucking bad after watching that clip i kind of i can see it they just i don't i realize how much goes into the post-production of interviews like that like there's like there was a full-blown three-minute segment of them just talking and that never made it into the actual episode, which I understand. You got like an hour.

You got to fill or whatever, but there's some very interesting and poignant conversations that they had that were not even broadcast. Pat Lang said, Give me one example of staying on the plantation. So I'm going to give you just one and then and then pat i'm going to give you one and then i want you to go out and dm me 20 i want you to is that a deal i'll give you one i'll give you one i might even have it here in my notes let Let me see. Let me see if this is it. Let me see.

I'll give you one. Hold on. I want to see if I actually have the... I thought Travis sent that clip over of the BET Awards if you want me to play it too. Any – I can't find the exact – maybe it was a climate change one. Is it a climate change one? Anything where they blame, they're saying the stresses of racism are what causes the increase in heart attacks in black people. Or the climate change stresses black people out. Climate change stresses black people out, and so that causes them more injury or illness.

Anything where you're giving the power away, anywhere – oh, maybe I even posted it. Anywhere that they ask you to give the power away that's so obviously in your own control, even if it's true or not true, is asking you you to stay on the plantation you may not even be able to understand that i don't know i don't know i don't know i'm not trying to even be a dick you may not be capable because of your strong biases uh to even understand that but they're just demanding you stay on the plantation They demand you play the victim To keep you on the plantation Let me see Oh maybe here it is No not that

Let me see I want to find you a good one Yeah anytime Anytime you blame anything On any On some outside Anytime you blame anything on some outside, anytime you blame anything on something outside of you for something that's totally within your control

and you're preaching that to a group of people, you're keeping them on the plantation. Yeah, how the TV, yes, Greg C, thank you. Ann annette revis is mentioning how the tv told her about racism yeah or xavier how about xavier over there at prager you the black guy he was a crossfitter from crossfit livermore he's been on this show he said he believed what the tv was telling him about cops until one day he woke up and he's like wow i'm not i'm not the victim. But here's the thing. Even if you were, you still don't give it away if it's still within your control. No, I didn't think you understood it. Dude, you ask everyone in this podcast to give their power away all month long with the pride victimization.

No, there is no pride victimization. It's actually the exact opposite. I don't think I don't think you understand. Well, let me rephrase that. I know you don't understand. It's very simple, though. Everyone else in the chat understands it. Dude, you're stumbling and humbling all over the place with this that's a week that example is weak i gave you five examples uh dennis prager didn't do crossfit that guy who's on uh prager you who's a um xavier deruso yeah xavier der Thank you, Caleb. He's a big contributor over there. I can't. I don't know if I get, I don't know. I can, I don't know.

I'm not going to play that on there. Thank you, Travis. Though. I'll play that. I'll play that later. I was thinking, why don't they just replace Kamala? Cause you know, you know, Biden might not make it through the presidency. People are saying like, he may be like, I'm hearing like he has four months of life left

in them. Why not just yeah why not just replace um uh but someone was at my house the other day who has a relative who has dementia and they're like dude that's exactly what my dad is like it's like damn yeah pretty close to how my grandpa was like, too. Yeah, it's crazy. I guess there's reports coming out that they knew in 2016 when he ran, and there were family members of Joe Biden who were already like, hey, this is completely fucked to have him run for president. Yeah, it's a little like, whatever that word is uh like torturous

uh no here's the thing i see it very clearly blacks are definitely made to play the victim hard stop and so is everyone here when it comes to pride and being white no dude Uh, no, here's the thing. I see it very clearly. Blacks are definitely made to play the victim. Hard stop. And so is everyone here when it comes to pride and being white. No, dude, it's not there. It's nothing like that. You're making a leap. No, no, no, no one's suggesting that it's bad being white. No one's suggesting it's bad being black.

People are just, there's some examples being given of. Of the script being flipped, making quotas based on hiring, no one's feeling bad, no one's playing the victim. Everyone still knows it's within their control. It doesn't make it wrong to point it out by saying, oh, my God, it's raining so hard today. That's not complaining. That's not complaining that it's raining. oh my god it's raining so hard today that's not complaining uh that's not complaining that it's raining that's just it's raining you're you're jumping to that conclusion dude projecting your own yeah securities yeah thank you projecting your own insecurities i'm gonna go with that defensiveness maybe even maybe you're gay and you're feeling defensive no one has anything

against gay people here apparently his advisors didn't tell him he'd be on split screen so he wasn't even aware how bad he looked during the trump's talking he's surrounded by his own cruel echo chamber yeah i mean that that doesn't even make sense, right? CrossFat, like, of course you're going to be on split screen. Like, that's the whole thing. We're watching subtleties and reactions and nuances. I still don't know why Woodland didn't get the gig, Mr. Dan. I still don't know. I haven't heard.

gig mr uh dan i still don't know i haven't heard all right yesterday we launched the uh film contest if you want to know the rules or the lack of rules or whatever watch the video the video is out um but in a nutshell don't be stupid find Find someone to enter. If you own an affiliate, find someone to make videos for you from your affiliate. It's five videos, 30 seconds to two minutes. Be creative. Okay, do I have anything else I want to share? Let me see what is this diet oh did you see the police officer who um um

did you see the police officer doing the get in trouble for being an OnlyFans skit? No. What I eat in a day as a fat person on a weight loss journey. I had my water. She said she had her water, but it was orange, so it clearly wasn't water. It's a Nalgene. Nalgene is orange. What's Nalgene?

It's just a plastic water bottle. Oh, so you think there was water in there? Yeah, I just think it was orange clear nalgene. These are Starbucks bacon Greer's. I drank throughout the day, and I had my egg white egg bites from work. Look how that bowl just rests. That's like some Jabba the Hutt shit. Isn't that crazy?

That pose is crazy. That pose is amazing, isn't it? Dude, I used to work with this guy and on his belly, he would rest his iPad like this. No way. Like in the wedge. It's crazy. This is such a... Here I had a serving of vanilla ice cream and a serving of Father's Day cake. It was amazing. Highlight of the day. Then I got this Oikos S'mores Remix.

These are delicious. Highly recommend trying them. And then I had these protein chicken nuggets, like extra high protein, and then a serving of mac and cheese. Those were amazing. And then I had. She's on a diet and she has yogurt and Skittles? Is that what that is? It is protein yogurt with some M&Ms in it.

M&Ms. I highly recommend. Then I had some Cocoa Crisps with the high-protein milk. Absolutely delicious. And this was my protein shake. End of the day, about 2,000 calories and 100 grams of protein. 2,000 calories? I mean, that's what you're supposed to have. 2,000 calories? I mean, that's what you're supposed

to have. 2,000 calories. There's no way that's 2,000 calories, dude. I think you're right about that analogy now. Damn, I don't think that's actually just water. Yeah, I don't think that's water either. I'm going to be nice. I'm going to give her 50 cals on the drink.

And then I'm going to check bacon career calories Starbucks let me see how many um she looks like a troll those are let me see calorie. Uh, it says it's 300 calories per serving. I wonder if each of those, how many servings are there? Um,

calorie protein. It doesn't say, it says it's 300 calories per serving, but it doesn't tell. Oh, one serving. Okay. It shows one serving is two.

Okay. Okay. Well, I'll give her that. So that's a 300 calories in those. Okay. it doesn't tell oh one serving okay it shows one serving is two okay okay i'll give her that so that's uh 300 calories in those okay weight loss journey i had my water um that's what i drank throughout the day and i had my egg white egg bites from work and here i had a serving of vanilla ice cream uh calories and serving of vanilla ice cream wow it says only 137 calories okay so let's just double that because it's that and a piece of cake sure yeah so we'll go we'll go uh another 300 okay so now we're at 650

a serving of a father's day cake it was amazing highlight of the day uh then i got this s'mores okio yogurt uh s'mores Ioki yogurt. I wonder if she had the, it says 120 calories. I wonder how many servings are in there. Should just be one serving. It's like an individual serving. Okay. Okay. We'll give her 120 for that.

All right. It goes S'mores remix. These are delicious. Highly recommend trying them. And then I had these protein chicken nuggets, like extra high protein chicken nuggets. Protein chicken nuggets. Oh, calories. Let me see.

Calories. She had six on the plate. So 160 calories. For how many? For four? For eight of them, it's 160. For about eight chicken nuggets, it's 160 calories. Wow.

Wow. Wow. Okay. And then a serving of macaroni and cheese. Yeah. Let's see. Mac and cheese calories. 310 for a cup sure okay protein and then um a serving of mac and cheese

um those were amazing and then i had this protein yogurt with some m&ms in it um so uh let's say that protein yogurt again was 120 plus M&M's. Calories. I think she might be right. I think we're going to be close. Calories M&M. 3.14 ounce bag contains 210 calories. Damn, that's a lot of sugar.

30 grams of sugar. Okay. Highly recommend. Then I had some cocoa crisps with like the high protein uh bowl of cocoa crisps calories she needs real food so bad uh uh that's 330 calories with the milk okay milk absolutely delicious and this is my protein shake um end of the day about 2 000 calories how much for the protein shake that's 150 it could be 500 though too right let's say. It could be 500 though too, right? Let's say 150. Let's be nice to it. Yeah.

Okay. 500 seems like a lot for protein shake. Okay. So that's zero, uh, carry down five, six, seven plus six is 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25. Carry the two. That's a five, six, nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty damn i got 2050 calories and 100 grams of protein what i do i stand corrected you're on your way girl my bad you've been vindicated God she needs like

some chicken breast some rice or something maybe a banana I pray I pray for her plumbing it's gonna be so backed up that's insane oh really you think this is true Wayne giving benefit of the doubt

2000 is still above her BMR? Really? Yeah, that's probably true. Probably like 1,700, 1,800. I got to assume I eat more than 2,000 calories a day. Yeah, but you train a couple times a day. I guess, and I'm always moving. But she works at Starbucks.

I mean, she's always got to be moving too right yeah if she works the full shift man all right here let's end let's end let's end on a so that's positive that's good good good job job, girl. Good job. This is... Look at this. This is great. I feel so bad for this cop. Look at this. Police officer arrested for groping woman's breast while on duty. What's up, man?

I'm Officer Jones. I'm 50. I got you going 65 and I'm 45 back there, okay? What if I show you these? Well, I can see t was on the clock working Next time slow down for me, all right? You have a good night. Thanks. What the fuck? Police now say Sean Herman was on the clock working when he took part in that video. News Channel 5 investigative reporter Levi Ismail first broke this story. I know you just got off the phone with police.

What are they saying? Well, we now know that Metro Nashville police continued their investigation even after they fired Herman last month. police continued their investigation even after they fired Herman last month. Metro police say Herman was on duty when he took part in the OnlyFans video where he groped a woman's breasts on camera. Police arrested Herman this morning, more than a month later, on two counts of felony official misconduct. They say Herman was in the Madison area to film this video, which was the same precinct he covered as a patrol officer. We now know the couple in the video organized this stunt with Herman, but in the weeks since, they reached out to say Herman was the one who asked to do this stunt. In the video, Herman identifies himself as, quote, Officer Johnson, before being invited to reach for

the woman's breasts. We see his shoulder for a brief moment, which had what appeared to be the... What? What if I show you these? I can see tips on you. Oh, what if you touch them? Yeah, that makes it a little better. All right. Oh, did he adjust his dick there? Big time. He adjust his dick. That's great.

I blurred it out. Thanks. What the fuck? Police now say Sean. Oh, man. Why do you think that um why do you think that they had why couldn't they just be like yeah why did they have to say it was his idea like why do you think that those two are being processed being charged too i don't know i mean it's for her only fans. It's like she, her business.

God. So all, what a, what a dipshit. If he would have just covered up his, his Nashville Metro badge, just not been on duty when he did it. Yeah. I guess that too.

Right. Like, damn, because basically he's using tax dollars. Shit. Right. Like he used our gas, our car,

our, right. Like you can oh god i'll be just fine doing it without being on duty ma'am i can see tits anytime on the internet that was a good comeback hey is that illegal what's the legality of that if a cop pulls you over to show him your tits i don't think that's illegal if an officer pulled you over and you're like hey and you pull down your pants you're like look at my dick is that indecent exposure oh does that even exist in california i don't know but that's that would be indecent exposure for sure it's considered a bribe you're not receiving anything though hey i want to show you my tits

just cut what if you're just like hey but i know you're a professional uh what do you think of my tits isn't nice Nice. The poor guy. Just trying to do his job. I'm not trying to get out of this ticket, but look at my titties. Put it away, ma'am. Put them away. Receivingam. Put him away.

Receiving a tit in your hand. True. So I am so aroused. So I am so aroused. All right. And Sevan is so aroused. All right. One day. Oh, I guess there'll be Dave Castor Week in Review today. Let me see if there's anything. Ah, damn.

Meat and fruit. Hey, did you drag that over in the GUI? In the what? Did you drag that over in the... Oh, in the... The RODECaster? Yeah. Yeah.

So you pulled up the GUI and just downloaded the audio file and dragged it in there? Yeah. You know how to do that? That's so good. God, that's so good. I... I fucked up on my GUI. I wonder if I can do this while I'm live on the air

oh thanks CrossFat I didn't know what that meant I lost my 7 Kill Taylor intro to final is this I wonder if this is like version 2. Can you still hear me? Yeah.

It's working? Yep. Can you hear that? Intro to Kill Taylor. Our first victim. I lost the Sebon... I wonder what I. I lost the Sebon podcast. I wonder what I lost. I accidentally recorded over.

The Sebon podcast one. Let me see. A behind the scenes clip, screenshot, recents, applications, downloads, Kill Taylor intro audio Start listening to Apple music. Oh, yeah, there it is shit Okay, and then I'm gonna drag this over To I thought I lost this.

I hope it's right. I hope I did it right. Okay, that's good. And then I hope I got the remix to that. Okay. Back in the game. And then you put the poop in there. I wonder if I... Do I have the poop?

I sent the audio file to you. Oh, where did you send it? To the group chat with you, Susan, and I. Oh. Oh, it's weird. It didn't pop up on my computer. Oh, audio message from Taylor Self, that one? Yes.

Okay. Yeah, that's a good... Oh, shit. Where's the GUI for that? He'll forever live in... God damn, meat and fruit. Oh my God. oh my god it's so gnarly i think that's authentic yeah it absolutely is if you're eating meat and fruit that's it

regularly your shits are nasty dude it's like death coming out of your butthole wow wow are you looking at our thread look at the last

oh my god it's just getting crazy this morning hey so so dave's so dave's youtube shows with the athletes are now on CrossFit's iTunes podcast station? Is that what's happening? Yeah, I think they're just uploading the audio to CrossFit. They're just taking his audio and putting it on the CrossFit.

So you can just listen to them now, too. Yeah, but why would I care to listen to it when I can see Brookwell's face on my screen that's a fair point that's solid I invited

I DMed Jack Rosema today oh I need to start so let me just ask you this really quick and then we'll go I'm looking at the CrossFit Games So let me just ask you this really quick. And then we'll go. I'm looking at the CrossFit Games. Oh, no.

Games leaderboard. And I want to invite all these people on. And I'm just starting at the top, right? And I look at this guy. The guy at the very top, his name is Ilya Makarov. Nope. Yeah. And I went to his Instagram account. And there's nothing. Ilya Makarov nope yeah like I went to his Instagram account and there's nothing

I think there's no signs of English too bad so sad oh JC Hopper on too because I don't know who these other dudes are I want to invite them on but what if they don't speak English does this dude speak English? Kalen Souza shit dude I don't know english does this dude speak english caitlin souza shit dude i don't know

uh bruno marins uh seven i think we should find a porn star who does crossfit and have them on do you know who i invited on the other day is there's this chick on only fans who's trying to have sex with 365 dudes in 365 days. But she didn't respond. Like Annie Knightley or something. Kalen Sousa writes in English. He does? Yeah.

Okay. So I'm going to invite him on. I'm just going to go down this list. So hopefully Jack gets back to me. Hopefully we can get Jason's schedule. I'm just going to go down the list and invite all these dudes and then let me and then let me look at the girls uh women um danielle brandon i'll text her no just get that right out of the way easy kill yeah danielle brandon uh in 30 seconds you just get a no that right out of the way. Easy kill? Yeah. Danielle, Brandon. In 30 seconds, you just get a no.

Hey, comma. Please come on the podcast. Thank you. Holy shit. What? You think that's that's the approach I should use right no no no that's good oh you're looking at

oh no please tell me it didn't happen oh no oh my goodness oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god. Oh my god. It's so deep. Okay, Shelby Neal I had on.

How about this chick, Gemma Rader? Who's that? She probably speaks English. Isn't that like South African flag or something? She got English. Okay, I'm DMing her right now too. Gemma. Not English.

Okay, I'm DMing her right now too. Gemma. Hey, I started watching Sousa was on Glinton and Things. Oh, really? Yeah, it's pretty fucking damn good. Was it yesterday? A couple days ago? A couple days.

I think yesterday. Alright. Gemma. Isn't Gemma the mom's name in that motorcycle series? What was

the motorcycle series? There's tons of killings and shit in it. Oh, Sons of Anarchy. Yeah, that was the mom's name, I think. Gemma, I'd love to have you on my podcast.

Okay. Oh, Danielle got back to me already. Oh. No, I'm just kidding. Damn it. Oh, what'm just kidding. Okay. Does Andrea Pinero

speak English? I think all she knows is fuck you, Hiller. That's probably it. Dude, that's going to be... I hope the chat's nice to her when she's on. I mean, if she still makes it to the game, she's still going to go through all the drug tests. Oh, Sons of Anarchy.

Oh. It's weird when the show's over. Like, I just know my, like, a whole different section of my life starts up it's weird it's not like i don't want to do it but it's like um it's like i want to do it but it's like just a complete shift yeah you know what i mean i get it yeah like i gotta go like take the dog out after this yeah exactly like it's just like this this just goes like yeah exactly i'm gonna go out pick up poop or wipe someone's butt or get tackled in the exactly. Like, it's just like this, this just goes like, yeah, exactly. I'm going to go out and pick up poop or

wipe someone's butt or get tackled in the living room. I mean, it's all cool stuff. Yeah. I'll probably go pick up coffee for my mom or something. Yeah, just different. Yeah. Oh, Katie Segal. Yeah, that's her real name Alright

Thank you everyone Thanks Dave Newman I guess there'll be a Dave Castro week in review Oh this week's Kill Taylor Two grand When will you stop wiping butts I mean I pretty much have But every once in a while I get called in.

You know what I mean? I get called in. I probably like, usually it's late at night. I should have probably stopped fucking. I should have stopped when they were 16. The other day, the other day, one of my boys called me and i'm like you do it and he's like no you do it and we're yelling back and forth and i come in there he goes fine i'll do it i'm like you fucking asshole i walked over here

can't wait for you them to be old enough that you can embarrass them with that like yeah i wiped your oh i already do i already do good good you know what i mean like they'll be like hey like so yesterday i had a uh they found a cigarette lighter in one of the junk drawers and they were playing with it i'm like what are you guys doing they're like just figuring out how this works i'm like dude you guys don't even wipe your butt they're like yeah we do i'm like well until like 10 days straight and i don't wipe a butt you can't use a cigarette lighter you know what i mean or like we had a magnifying glass in the backyard and they're burning shit and i put it i put it away i hit it i'm like they're like why'd you do

that i'm like you guys don't even wipe your own butts a hundred percent of the time you know what i mean amazing yeah there's things yeah they're like what yeah it's totally awesome ass wiping is a metric self-care i saw i watched i saw the episode yesterday where storm got killed oh in the boys yeah the the It doesn't really make any sense because Superman fires a load, like massive load into her chest and it doesn't kill her.

Homelander does, but somehow the boy killed her, the little boy. Oh. You know what I mean? Yeah. I get that. There are a few instances where you're like,

so how did these guys die? Yeah. What? Just weird shit happens yeah yeah this is a good one I have a rule that my six year old boy can't walk to the park until he can choke me out yeah I get that oh shit read the next one

wow uh Dr. Chapman Dr. Mr. Matosian yes Mr. Chapman Oh, shit. Read the next one. Wow. Dr. Chapman. Dr. Mr. Matosian. Yes, Mr. Chapman. Please have a seat. I'd like to thank you for your inspiration. I hear that every day, but thank you.

Go on. After years of telling me I'm a bad parent, I apologize for that, but the truth is the truth. I've decided to homeschool from September on. It's official. Well, fantastic. Finally, you've grown a sack good job you cannot here's your magnifying glass mr chapman you are now a responsible adult hey uh congratulations dude keep me posted on that you're gonna love it how old's the boy how old's the kid it's awesome have you eaten today caleb no i have not do you normally not eat before the show yeah normally i don't i'll just uh wait until afterwards not big on like having breakfast or having food as soon as i wake up yeah i don't eat before the show either but but we're in a

different time zone. But I think I'm going to have a ribeye this morning. Oh, wow. Okay, I'm going to play this video, but I'm really scared. These kids are five and seven. That'll be fun. Oh, yeah, that's my age.

Yeah, you're going to love it. That's great. I'm going to go pick some rabbis up today probably oh my god did you play the video uh yeah yeah all right well uh geez Jeez. Did you see what I wrote?

Yes. Listen, Heidi Kroom, the inside joke shit is just annoying, guys. I hear you. I hear you. And and I apologize but this is I want to tell you because you guys would thoroughly enjoy it it's just it's it's so inappropriate

and the, the, the ramifications of showing it would be a setback for all of us. I know. Quit pissing off my girl. Okay, fine. It would,

it would be a, um, a man. I do want to tell you guys. Maybe I should make a list of... You know what I'll do, Heidi? I'll make a list of these things because it's definitely not an inside joke.

It's just it's like... It's like, you know how that cop got busted for doing that stunt and it would have been totally fine if he didn't have the Nashville thing? It's like you know how that cop got busted for doing that stunt and it would have been totally fine if you didn't have the nashville thing it's like this is worse than that it's worse than that yeah i mean i could tell i could tell you i could tell you in a text somewhere maybe it's not it just can't be broadcast it could be shared uh anyway okay i'll drop it okay pinero uh emma lawson i've never had her on the show chloe gavid oh gavon david i need to have her on the show i think i got her number from gabe uh hayley adams brooke wells

Haley Adams, Brooke Wells, Tia Toomey. What do you guys think? Do you think Tia's going to come on? No. Yes. Hey, dude, this is a great guess. Unless you tell us someone, I'm just going to assume it's Taylor and Bryson docking. It's a real... Dude, it's so solid.

Hey, you're in the ballpark. Seriously, right? Isn't he? You have a seat at the game. You have like... You're in the nosebleeds. If it's a picture of an elephant, you can see a little piece of it, like the trunk.

Yeah, you're in there, dude. You're definitely in there. Haiti, can you? Maddie Sturt, Danny Spiegel, Karen Freoba, Freoba. Damn, there's a lot to get through. Elisa Fuliano, Emma McQuaid. The Sahar Kai interview Dave did was great.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. I haven't listened to that one yet. Okay. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go to Home Depot now with my dad. My dad's here. I'm dying. Hey, have you ever been in a car and seen how fast it can go?

Yeah. And did it play out okay? Like no one got injured or you didn't get a ticket? Correct. Yeah. Have you ever had it go wrong? No. Yeah, me me neither that's weird that's good right yeah that'd be a horrible time for something to go wrong probably the worst yeah yeah and you know when you top out a car and it's like you know like you're in some fucking like 1990 nissan maxima and it's like going 120 and then all of a sudden it's like

it's like 121 and you're like oh and then it goes back down to 119 you're like oh you know what i mean yeah then you go down a little hill and you're like 123 oh okay yeah really start pushing the pushing the threshold a little bit. I think that is the fastest I've ever gone in a car that I can remember. I think I took a Nissan Maxima down. I'm not like a steep hill, but it was on a freeway with a slight, slight decline. Yeah.

I think I pegged it at one 18 and then I got like another five miles an hour out of it. Someone threw a bottle of Jack Daniels out of the sunroof while we were doing it. Oh my God. I know. Crazy, right? That see, and that's, that's what would scare me as people like stupid. jack daniels out of the sunroof while we were doing it oh my god i know crazy right that see

and that's that's what would scare me is people like stupid stupid yeah stupid yeah i've i've gone 140 in an audi r8 i was on a track but and like like, I've gone probably one 15, one 20 in my truck, just on a regular old street. Um, I, I, when I, when I had this, um, uh, I had a Kawasaki 1000 RR or something fucking crazy. Hmm. And on, on, on New Year's Eve morning morning i want to say i got up to 130 like for a actually i don't even know how fast i got it because i when i looked down it said 130 and then i immediately let off oh yeah you know what i mean i was just there was no one on the road i was riding to hq to do a workout it was new year's eve and there was no one on the road

it was crazy yeah as soon as I hit triple digits, I'm like, my butt clenches up just a little bit. Yeah, totally. But it's like, you get like that, that like jolt of adrenaline or whatever. Like you feel like butterflies. You're like, oh shit, this is crazy. Yeah, I did 110 in a 64 horsepower 1977 Honda Rabbit once, four speed. Yeah. I did one 10 in a 64 horsepower 1977 Honda rabbit ones for speed.

Wow. Yeah. The speedometer went to one 10 and I, and I pegged it there. I mean, it took a long time to get from like 98 to one 10 is like a journey. You know what I mean? It's like two or three minutes of fucking come on,

baby. Come on. Yeah. It's getting into, it had attack and you could see the red line. That's awesome. Yeah, it was crazy. Four speed. Good old days.

Front wheel drive. Damn. But some people do crazy shit. I think there's people like who own motorcycles who go like 120 every day. Yeah, for sure like if there's like a whole like side of instagram and tiktok of just motorcyclists who just oh really just doing crazy shit yep just like splitting semis or 160 is that a is that a is that a bmw yeah oh my god dude at one i was on a three-lane highway on the kawasaki doing 130 there was no one on it but i felt like the highway went from like three lanes to like half a lane just by how fast we're going yeah it just felt like it got so skinny all of a sudden. Everything got real treacherous real fast.

They hit 207. Wow. Oh, my God. Are those electric bikes doing that, Jake? Wow, Jethro, I clocked the bike at 130. I just let them go. Hell yeah, dude. Aaron Fraser. I just let them go. Hell yeah, dude. Aaron Frazier.

That's Matt Frazier's code handle. Good to have you here, buddy. Thank you. 75 in your Ford Tempo? You're not even going to the speed limit. I did 150 on the Autobahn only for a few miles. Crazy fast. What kind of car?

That's what's crazy, dude. Up over 100 cars can start being weird. Yeah. Some cars are fine with it. Some cars are not so fine with it. I think I hit 100 in my 2000 Jeep Cherokee once, and I was like, oh, boy, this is not okay. Does it rattle? Yeah.

It rattles at like 80. Like I can't. I was like, let's see how this goes. And I was like pinned. It was sketchy. Greg has this new truck. I forget what it is. It's massive. It has 44s on it.

It's massive. Maybe you saw it. No, he got another one after the Hennessey. It's a diesel. But anyway, it's like 90 is nothing and it has 44s on it damn i know you just get on the freeway and you're just cruising 90 and the tires aren't even there's not even a wah wah wah nothing wow it's just smooth i should take a picture of it and post it it's absolutely nut truck has a snorkel the whole fucking thing it's not sick oh i remember greg telling us about it i never i don't think i actually ever saw it but diesel

he already parked his hennessey somewhere it's like in retirement wow that's it yeah yeah thousand horsepower truck already been replaced by a diesel that's right he's now he's a stud he's not a racehorse anymore maybe uh maybe i'll see what i can get out of my 2014 kia soul nah there's no need oh wow he did 150 in an Audi A8 wow damn those station wagons are no joke man I think Greg has the fastest

like Audi that they make it's like as fast as the R8 and it looks like a station wagon and it's fast as fuck it's like $135,000 station wagon it's nuts I want to say it's faster than his Porsche. Wow. Yeah, he did 150 in that?

That's wild. I think that's one of those cars when you turn, the seat hugs you. Have you ever been in a car like that? Like whichever way you turn, the seat pushes. Yeah, it's crazy. Whoa. Like to hold you in place. Yeah, yeah.

He's had a couple cars like that. Any update on games access? No, the ball is in my court. I need to send an email today. Thank you for reminding me. All right. Tomorrow's show will be not how fast you've gone in a car, but the longest you've lasted having sex.

And we'll see you there. It's going to be a great show. Talk to you guys later. Caleb, thank you. Bye-bye.