The Sevan Podcast - Dr. Tom McCoy | A Doctor that KNOWS

Episode Date: December 10, 2023

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than I usually do, so you need to tell me if everything looks and sounds okay. You sound and look perfect. Okay, outstanding. Yeah, your lighting is great. You don't look like a radish like me.

I can set this light temperature to blue, and I am still red. I don't know what's going on. I'm not this red in real life. What's going on? Are you out? I spent eight or seven or eight eight days how could i be anything but i should be brown are you out in uh arizona yes sir yes sir dr tom that's awesome dude how's the how's the comp going so far i i was only there for a couple hours um i got to meet the um the the

three the the two guys who are the directors and one of the guys who's partners with them, Jason. And then basically I was just talking to people there. And I don't make it out much since I started the podcast. Yeah. But really what's crazy is I just hung out with like mostly just like my cohort. And a lot of women, like just women over 50 who are twice as strong as me it was yeah man who listened to the podcast i'm like what's wrong with you old ladies don't you got something better dude listen to my vile dirty mouth but i was just hugging on old ladies

the whole time it was dope yeah welcome to uh welcome to my world that's my strategic training strategy is i've found a an affiliate that has some of the baddest ass women I've ever met in my life. And they just crush me on a regular basis. So it's a good strategy. Yeah. So I didn't get to see much of the comp, but I got to hang with people. You know, I saw, I saw, um, cool people there. Um, you know, Max Elhaji is over at training think tank. Uh, I don't, I haven't met any of the think tank guys before, but you know of them right you know so there were two guys there that i like taunt on my podcast a lot like i watched their podcast and then talked about them and i saw them and that was awesome seeing them i loved seeing them

and i saw um dusty highland and he's just from dogtown crossfit that was i only got to see him for a second but that was cool i saw bosman um. You know who I saw? I saw AFT. Do you remember him? No. What's his real name? He was OPT's number one competitor back in the day. Okay. Yeah, I don't recall.

I don't recall his name. Someone will say it in the comments. I cannot believe it. And he happened to be at ASU because it's at Arizona State University. He happened to be there for his 14 year old daughter is a amazing, you know, top 20 basketball player, I guess, in the country. And he was there for a basketball tournament. Masters just happened to be going on. Yeah. So he was. No way, dude. Yeah. That's so cool. Well, I saw the pickey. I saw the of you with Greg and Boz and everything yesterday.

Yeah, was Greg there? Or was that an old pic? I'm here because I came to Arizona to hang out with Greg. So my kids and his kids are friends, so we get the families together and just hang out. It's like five days of just hanging out with the cousins. It was so good seeing him at the games, man, and hanging out with the cousins um so good it was so good seeing him at the games man and hanging out with everybody and and greg and folks in the trailer park i don't think i saw you there though i think you were busting your ass i was i was oh so you you took the silver

bullet to the games too uh no no dude it's so it's so hard to get a pass into the trailer park. But Craig and Matt have been buddies forever. And it just so happened that one of my patients had the spot next to them. So it was awesome. I'm trying to find a picture here on your Instagram of, uh, you have an Airstream. That's how I remember you the most. You used to come to the, um, the DDCs. Oh, here it is. You would come to the DDCs and I would see that thing parked in the, uh, in the back. Absolutely, man. That was, uh, such a fortunate blessing because I lived in the Bay for, gosh, 25 years.

I was there for a long time. Look at that thing. Oh, man. Yeah, it was so good when the kids were younger. I mean, they're a little bit older now, but to have a captive audience like that and get out into the woods and just spend time together, it was a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Tom, you are a physician, where'd you go to school? Uh, in Arizona, actually Arizona college of osteopathic medicine. I did a medical school there, uh, undergrad at Ohio university and then finished at Cal state East Bay out in the bay. And then, yeah, I worked at Contra Costa County for, gosh, I was there for almost 20 years now. Where in Contra Costa County? For the county? At the county hospital. Yeah, I was the director of the emergency department there for almost a decade. The what department? Emergency department.

Emergency. Yeah, man. And where is that located? What city that in in contra in uh martinez okay all right my mom right next to craig man yeah my mom was a an attorney for contra costa county so she probably worked in the building next next to you i was a little kid then i was maybe like four or five. Yeah, so she worked downtown in Martinez then. And then tell me, what's an osteopath? So in the medical profession, yous do, which is an MD, also get about 400 hours of training in body work. But we take all the same certifications, testing, residency. Um, so most of us, once we get out into the real world, unless you can really carve out a practice niche, it's, it's hard to employ those skills just because you need the time

and the space to actually, um, you know, be able to be with patients for that long to do the body work. So most of the time you'll go to the hospital and you'll be seeing a DO or an MD and you'll never know the difference. you'll be seeing a DO or an MD and you'll never know the difference. I was talking to Greg yesterday and you know, he can be, uh, critical about, um, chiropractors and body workers and stuff. And I said, Oh, McCoy's coming on. Uh, he's an osteopath and he just looks at me and goes, it's legit.

It's legit. So, so basically, but what I'm hearing is it's an, it's an interesting thing when you say body work. So what I'm hearing is that it's a doctor with – when you say DO, you mean doctor of osteopath. And when you say – what's – and MD just stands for medical doctor? Medical doctor and DO is doctor of osteopathy. Osteopathy, okay. Yeah. And then the founding principles that the body has, you know, an innate desire to be able to heal itself if you put it in the right position to be able to do so, you know, on in all of the ways that influence it. And so that's where it's called OML, osteopathic manual manipulation.

That's what DOs get trained in during medical school, right during their first four years of medical school to utilize that as a component of the overall treatment strategy. You would think that everyone then should be a DO? Well, I think that the principle that your body and how you move and how you carry the stress or the total allostatic load, and that it can manifest itself in physical ways is a real thing. But to be effective and be able to utilize that strategy, you have to spend a lot of time, you know, honing that craft. And so the people who do it and do it really well i mean it's just like anything else right it's like you know you know what they call the person

who finished last in their medical school class right i know tell me doctor a doctor right so there's there's just like there's great mechanics and shitty mechanics there's great doctors and shitty doctors right that's you know a shitty doctors. Right. And that's, you know, a lot of us can get caught up in credentialism and this, that, and the other. But I think once you start to spend more time and you know,

the health space, you will meet people who are just amazing practitioners in, you know, whatever their domain is. And it matters a lot less kind of what the initials after their name are, but their life experience, you know, how they approach what they do and who they work with. So that's, you know, that comes with time though.

So the 400 hours are to get the degree. And then you're saying then you're still basically a fledgling you have to put in a lot of work to be a good do no the i mean the yeah the 400 hours are just required right as part of the training program but i think the people who i mean it is a very small percentage of people who practice omm regularly and usually that's all they do that's the majority did you did you so were you able to practice it when you were um the emergency director over in Contra Costa County oh good god no you ever been to a county ER man just on tv just on tv okay I mean we had the you know

the lockdown psych ward for the county we take care of all the detention patients everybody that gets arrested so you know it in order for body work to be effective, everybody has to be on the same page. Right. And generally, you know, when people are coming to the emergency department, a lot of times you're interacting with them on one of the worst days of their lives. So it's usually not the right time or place to be diving into body work. Chaos, chaos is happening. Listen, man, it's, you know, you got to triage and deal with the most immediate need.

And then you, you go from there. During the, the, I don't know what you want to call it anymore. Like, I don't even know what to call it to be in all honesty the thing that that the television tells us is the pandemic were you working in a hospital during those years yeah i was running the er oh you were there for that oh yeah wow wow you must have seen some shit in there it was crazy man um you know and and more so you know just the build up uh because we didn't you know we have colleagues in you know italy and around the world who really were experiencing the brunt of it and because we knew so little in the beginning there was just a lot of fear and concern

um because we just didn't know what to expect. And thankfully, it turned out to be very different than what we thought it was going to be. But, you know, the general mentality when you're in that position is you have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Right. So a lot of my time over that couple of years set up an outside tent hospital, completely changed all the workflows for the emergency department um it was it was an interesting interesting time why why did you retire from there i did not retire no i was i was i could have retired if i stayed um a county employee and probably another two or three years but I found my passion and doing what I'm doing now and I just couldn't look myself in the mirror if I didn't follow it I think I found your passion we've had a lot of let me see if I can if I can spot it we've had

a lot of yet we had rich froning on the barrack Hunter and I saw you chopping down trees. This must be very unpopular. Not in, not in Ohio and Pennsylvania, man. Let me show you this guy chopping down a tree and fucking abusing. I can't find it right.

Where is that? What, what is your passion? Is your passion chopping down trees now? What are you doing? of work that truly feeds our soul and lights our fire. And I think for, you know, for everyone, you know, the hope is that you can find that and somehow incorporate your life's work so that it continues to fuel that fire. Right. And for me, I loved working in the inpatient setting and acuity and doing procedures. But, you know, working in the ER, it takes a little bit of your soul every day, you know, between the shift work and the level of trauma that you see. You know, it's a lot. And I've always loved the health and performance optimization space. And as I became more educated and spent more time there, I knew that that was what I wanted to pursue. You knew what was what you wanted to pursue because you said your calling. What was it that you wanted to pursue?

that you wanted to pursue? So, I mean, the vision, right, is to create an actual effective healthcare model, right? And the integration of, you know, the best evidence-based practices from the medical side with what we know is foundationally most important, an appropriate nutrition strategy, strength and conditioning program, and understanding the importance of recovery and those being the foundational bedrocks and having the services or the capabilities to offer support when it's needed in other areas, whether that's an evaluation or interventions. And the most important component of that, right, is in a community setting like that. That's the vision. And that's what we know is most effective. And that's what we've been able to build in Ohio. And that's literally what i'm staring at right now outside

of these uh war room windows here what are you staring at what is it i am now i'm i am looking at you know proven hq being built before my eyes oh awesome yeah are you working with Proven? Yeah, so McCoy Medical is the official health and performance partner for Proven Athletics. Holy shit, dude. That is awesome. Do they approach you? I've known, I mean, Jen and I, my co-founder, have known Nick and Taylor for many, many years. Nick Johnston and Taylor Williamson. Correct.

Okay. And have done work with Taylor in the past. And it was really just a natural evolution of that relationship to be able to provide, you know, comprehensive support and performance optimization for their elite athletes and tier two and tier three athletes. And so we formalized that partnership, gosh, about a year ago. It was about three or four months before the games last year. We started working with folks. Tom, tell me the name of it. What did you call it? Vital human.

What did you call your practice? McCoy Medical. McCoy Medical. Yep. So you really are living your dream. Yeah. I mean, my clinic is about 100 yards away from my affiliate that I co-own in Ohio. integration that literally under one roof, we have, you know, health and performance optimization, what I think is going to be the best CrossFit affiliate on planet earth, uh, and a full recovery protocol program all here for everyone, right. For the community affiliate side and for professional athletes

what's the name of your affiliate in ohio uh chagrin falls crossfit chagrin falls and that's the one that um uh i think most of my listeners know john woolies is that your partner yeah and then there's a third guy too right uh woman yeah jen pischko so jen jen's an og she's ran the affiliate for almost 10 years and then john and i came to the party very late so we've been partners for uh over a year with jen yeah i remember he was talking about when he bought it he was pretty darn excited yeah man no it's uh i mean you know when you know, time in an affiliate, and especially as a healthcare provider, you really start to understand the secret sauce of why CrossFit is so effective, right? And it's the same thing in healthcare, right? And that's the whole concept of creating a health home and an affiliate is the true health home. Right. And that's that's the vision for me is that this is I am looking at health care 3.0.

Right. The integration of. Medical care that actually emphasizes what's most important, that only gets lip service paid to it now in the mainstream medical system, right? Strength and conditioning, right, with the appropriate parameters around building lean body mass and muscle, high intensity interval work, you know, a zone two component if it's necessary, if you have a degree of metabolic resistance, appropriate recovery protocols that, you know, really start to discuss the importance of sleep and other modalities to help balance allostatic load, which all of us are, you know, for the most part, way off kilter with and society as it exists today. And then just the basics of nutrition, right. And CrossFit, you know, is the prescription, right? Everybody can start with that. And that's 85 to 90% of the game.

Um, you, you said, um, just now you started that with affiliate is, uh, what did you call it? Affiliate is the home of health, health home, health home. And then you reiterated nutrition, the health home and then you reiterated nutrition movement recovery yeah i mean those are the three core pillars right and the challenge with how the system is structured now is that because we have a model right that is predicated on doctors seeing as many bodies as humanly possible and as quickly as possible and compensation being derived from procedures and interventions and filling hospital beds, which requires you to be sick,

there is no incentive and no real ability for a physician to be able to actually pay their bills and keep the lights on and actually spend time with their patients and talk about the most important things. And even if they do have the time, we don't get the training to be able to understand how to talk to people about this, but you know who does? CrossFit coaches, right? And that's part of the vision, right? About what we really want to bring to the affiliate and to the medical side

is we know that this works, right? But actually helping people understand why it works on the affiliate and the coaching side and on the affiliate and the coaching side and on the physician and the health provider side who haven't been exposed to CrossFit yet will allow us to be that much more effective, both in advocacy as this being, I think, you know, when you look at numbers and volume, probably one of the most effective healthcare systems in the world, right? When you look at the number of affiliates and the number of lives touched and the

distribution around the globe, you know, what other health system is curing or preventing, you know, the primary drivers of death and disease as it exists today as CrossFit. I don't know that there is one. And to add to that, what you did throw at the end, and you emphasized it, is also then the community piece. So basically like-minded people to basically mirror off of, and I guess for elements of accountability and responsibility. This is what I am most excited about.

And I know that you had karen on recently to talk about the conference coming up in austin oh you'll be and you're going to be speaking there right on february 2nd correct austin texas tom mccoy okay but i think this is one of the most underappreciated but probably the most powerful in differentiating components of what separates CrossFit from every other fitness modality out there. And there's science, right, that proves that. And whether we're talking about addiction, right, and I know you know Dale King very well and the work that he's done, or metabolic dysfunction and all the other disease states that that plays a significant role in or mental health challenges,

whether it be anxiety or depression or PTSD, the community component and what happens neurologically, hormonally, metabolically, just we utilize this as a medical intervention every day. And we don't, we all know community is important, but I don't think there's a real understanding of the science that already exists that demonstrates how important it is and why it's more important now than ever before, because we are becoming more and more isolated and subjectively lonely. Um, and that isolation, right? Objective isolation and subjective loneliness, uh, have significant impacts on health outcomes. Um, uh, Eaton Beaver, uh, good morning. The beard is on point. I think he's talking about yours, not mine. Uh, Jake jake chapman uh coming in hard and nasty like usual and osteo is what chiropractors think they are jeez please be nice uh chiro to osteo is astrology to astronomy my god my god easy easy

easy doctors put their fingers in your butt chiros don't do that point chiros sorry i don't talk shit to my guests but hey um you know what's an insane example of that tom is um uh what schindeldecker is doing yes because he has the the um um what's the guy called who after you go to jail he he or after you get out of jail oh the probation he has the probation officers work out with the kids yeah and i guarantee you that's the like that's the that's a huge unfucking and not on the kids part but that unfucks the uh the probation officer because the probation officer is the doctor that you described it's trying to get as many patients as possible through the door right

the probation officer probably has a caseload that's way too big doesn't have time for this bullshit gets you know what i mean and then they have to go and work out with these kids and all of a sudden there's probably a connection there between the two that's like so um uh i don't know if this is the right word humanitizing brings a humanity to the situation that's like insane and shindell decker was talking about how the judge is like hey we've done tons of exercise programs you know like running programs this for these delinquent kids we've never seen the success the um lack of recidivism recidivism that reduce recidivism uh that you're you're actually doing here it's insane and i guarantee you it's that community piece it's not the thrusters it's done not the thrusters and it's not just working out with other bad kids. And I use that.

I know someone's going to get mad at me for that, but they're with me. It's working out with the probation officer. I get fuck. I'm bet my life on it. So it is the thrusters, but it's, it's the thrusters with everybody else doing thrusters at the same time. Right. It is, it's a, everybody else doing thrusters at the same time, right? It is, it's a,

it's a tribe working through shared hardship together for a common goal, right? We are evolutionarily wired to thrive in that setting, right? This is what we are built and designed to do. And the world is as it exists today robs us of that innate human experience yeah the the work that matt and debbie are doing and they're they're uh oh they're in your state too right they're in ohio too it's amazing right and the rates of improvement that they're getting i mean this is the reason why affiliates should be in juvenile detention centers, why they should be in jails and prisons, why they should be in hospitals, right? And we're doing the inverse here, right? We're bringing supportive medical

services to the affiliate setting so that the affiliate can truly be the one-stop shop, right? Like if you cut your arm off, it's a really good thing that there's an ER for you to go to, right? So if you need high acuity medical care for, you know, an emergent procedure, you know, or you need something else done that we can't provide, then great. But that is the exception to the rule, my brother. And if we do everything well, like we do in the affiliate, when the coaching is strong and the exception to the rule my brother and if we do everything well like we do

in the affiliate when the coaching is strong and the community is strong and the balance is appropriate your reliance on the dysfunctional system is decreased exponentially if you if you trip while robbing a nordstrom's with 10 of your friends out the door and you break your leg you need the er right i could i could tell you do you still live in the bay man no i'm on instagram uh then tom this is a really rude question so i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna help him jake's really just being he's on fire today so i'm gonna soften this question he says what's tom's bench press one rep max now let me let me break that into two pieces what's your all-time pr versus like if we drug you out to the garage right now it made you oh man i honestly i don't my bench pr you ever got 245s on there you ever

got two plates on there oh yeah yeah yeah no it's probably it's probably 235, 240, I think. And what about today? Oh, not far off. Oh, okay. There you go, Jay. I'm as strong now as I've ever been. Definitely was not better before. Dude, Jake Chapman has it out for you. Jesus Christ. Yeah, he does look like he mentioned 400. Let's take that as a compliment. Yeah, he does look like he bent just 400. Let's take that as a compliment.

Let's put all this big picture bullshit talk aside. Let me ask you a really hard question. Yeah, man. What about Q-tips? What about them? It makes no sense that I should be using them, but I really love them, and I love that feeling. When I pull them out and I see just gunks of orange shit on them, there's this like – there's this satisfaction. I'm like 50% through my day.

I'm like now all I have to do is be a good dad, and I'm fucking done with the day. Are those the only holes that you stick them in? They are. Is that – I mean is that what they tell you in medical school? I mean I just want to make sure we're talking about the ears. Yes. I just swab my inside of my ears. And unfortunately, I do them both at the same time.

I don't like savor it. I do both at the same time. But any logical thought to the process is like, hey, that's stupid because you're just pushing the shit in. That's correct. I spent a disproportionate amount of time in the er telling people to stop fucking doing that yeah because what happens tell me why it is satisfying though have you done it it's such a nice feeling having your hole plunged oh i i have uh i have put a q-tip in my ear yeah before yes i have had but but no the reason is is that you can traumatize the

canal or you can actually puncture your tympanic membrane. And for people who are, you know, high producers of cerumen, so the wax right in your ear, um, you can, you definitely, it for the most part make matters worse right and then you impact it uh and removing it after you impact it as a while you enjoy putting a q-tip in your ear yeah moving a petrified wax plug is a wholly different experience what's a petrified wax plug like well if you pack it in right it becomes very. Yeah. And so people can actually pass out when you do that, right? Because you can get a vestibular response. The room starts spinning, right?

It can be pretty intense. So, you know, tread lightly, my friend. I had a little ringing in my ear. This is like 10 years ago. My wife took me to an ear, and throat doctor ent and i sat in a chair and he cleaned out my ears and i had like bionic you remember jamie summers the bionic woman i had the fucking i had like bionic hearing dude for like a week it was crazy i could just like point my ear over and just did something just just do it. I could just hear like people breathing.

It's akin to pulling the mouse, pulling the thorn out of the lion's foot. When you remove somebody's wax plug that's been impacted for a year and they realize that they're not going deaf. Yeah. You made a friend for life for sure. Yeah, it was. It was. It was. Yeah. And I couldn't hear out of one ear. It's amazing how important it is that you have both ears. If you can't hear out of one ear, the whole world changes. No, hearing is actually one of the biggest drivers for loneliness and isolation in the older population, which is funny. That comes full circle back to what we've been talking about before.

But if you have a hearing deficit and that that comes back to the concept of loneliness and in that it's a subjective experience. So you can be surrounded by people, but if you can't hear what they're saying or engage in the community, right, that's a form of isolation. Um, so it's very important. What do you think? Um, um, by the way, anyone who wants to hear dr tom will be speaking um with a if you pay a certain amount of money you can hear him speak if you pay even more money um you can work out with him and like toast him with a glass and like take food off his plate you guys get to go to a dinner together you're not getting any of my food i can tell you that much i mean he eats like this he holds his hand up above his head so no one can take it.

Better be fast. And that will be February 2nd in Austin, Texas. And the website is, I'll put a link somewhere. It's, I think CrossFit Medical Health. It's Cross, I think the conference is called CrossFit for Health. Okay. But if they, if they go to, yeah, if they go to Karin, I know she's got it all over her page. Okay, Karin Thompson. Yep. Okay.

Where was I going? Earwax. I'm glad we're covering all the important topics today. This one was an important one um okay i'll come back to that in a second tell me what this word means that you've used like three times i wrote it down here alice alicidic alicetic allopathic load alice something load what is that word allostatic load allostatic load. What is that word? Allostatic load. Allostatic load. What is that? We all do that? We all have an allostatic load?

Yeah, man. So it's essentially the cumulative total of all of the stressors in your life. Okay. Oh, I remember. I remember. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. I want to ask you to define what loneliness is for me. We'll come back to that. Okay. Okay. Allostatic load but it's essentially the you know the addition of you know family drama or dysfunction um you know work stress um not paying attention to you know your your physical and mental health needs that that sum total is the allostatic load the the total weight of stress that we carry with us, right, throughout each given day. Is it weird that you can lift weights and then, my understanding is it breaks your shit

down and then your shit just grows back stronger, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. Go ahead. And so holding your breath the same way, you hold your breath and you can practice and your body will adapt so you can hold your breath longer and longer and longer. You can train it. But sleep doesn't work like that. Like, I can't be like, all right, I'm gonna stay up for two days and adapt to like not needing sleep. You really you don't that that just you just keep hurting yourself. Right. You know, for those of us who are old enough, it's different now in medical training.

But, you know, when we trained, it was not unusual, you know, every two or three days to work 30 or 40 hours in a row. You know, that was just part and parcel of the training. You know, I walked two miles to school in the snow every day. I did it. So you're going to do it. Um, and it's very destructive to your physiology. Lack of sleep. Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, when you look at, when you look at all the elite athletes, right. And when you look at trends in between us, normal humans, um, and those folks who perform at the highest levels of sport, they usually sleep the most, right? Typically between eight to 10 hours, right? Where, you know, most of us mortals are, you know, between the six and seven mark.

Josh Bridges was telling me that's an old time games athlete. He's probably like five six at most he's telling me that he he one of his tactics so his boys grow taller is to make them sleep more i'm like dude you're crazy what do you think is he crazy no i mean well one of the uh you know the misnomers is that you so much muscle protein synthesis right that that's when you're reaping the benefits of all of the work that you're doing in the affiliate each day is while you're sleeping. Um, and so not only are you shortchanging yourself hormonally, right, but you're building less lean body mass. Um, your gut

is more stressed, right? Because that's when it's kind of reestablishing it's,, its lining and recuperating from everything it's been dealing with, you know, during the day, because we're stuffing our faces nonstop. Right. So all of these things play into kind of undermining recovery and, you know, exacerbating allostatic load. But I think his thought is, is that you, you produce human growth hormone while you're asleep and if you sleep more maybe you might grow taller yeah he's uh he's not wrong you know the potential is definitely there i think unfortunately i think it and i have no evidence for this at all but i think it's it's it's a bad situation because i think if you don't sleep you just end up being shorter but if you do sleep you don't get taller you know what i mean

like like like like if you like if you go to japan now compared to 20 years ago i bet you the people are five inches tall no sorry 50 years ago i bet you the people are five inches taller now than they were – I bet you there's some crazy stat on that because I think that 50 years ago, they had a totally different nutritional intake then. And I think there's a lot of explain to it. Yeah, but I don't think they're sleeping more. I don't know. But I'm not pushing back on the importance of sleep because even at 51 now, if I just get like 20 minutes less sleep one day than the next, I'll have issues throughout the day operating. Absolutely. Issues I can't even believe I'm having.

Movement issues. Weird shit. Yeah. Balance movement issues. It's crazy. as in tune with it as I am and spend so much time with people talking about it. The fact that I lived the majority of my career chronically sleep deprived, it's sad and I realize why I was such an asshole most of the time. It just impacts everything. Preston Pysh, you know it's interesting to or what's interesting you said about your job in the beginning is um the speed component in which doctors operate the

two elements that like kind of hurt their ability to really perform their profession at the highest level is the the speed and the the the the fact that money's made by diagnosing sickness. And so it interrupts probably like, I'm saying it gently, the most gentle way I can, but it interrupts an honest evaluation of what they're seeing. And then there's kind of a speed expectancy to it.

Hmm. I think that the sad part about that is, Siobhan, is that as physicians, none of us want to be in that situation. Yeah. But the vast majority of us are trapped, right? Right. Because being able to actually do it the right way requires you to, you know, buck the system and work outside of mainstream medicine, which is not an easy proposition. Where I was going to go with that is the only time I'm ever angry at my kids is when I'm in a rush. It's the only time they break a window i wouldn't care if i took two deep breaths and evaluated it we're walking to the car and like there's someone waiting for us to move so they get in the parking spot i i'll take it out like every time i'm short with them and this is going back to what you said why I was in such a bad mood because of lack of sleep, but also the component of trying to move fast.

It is like 99.9% to infinity. I'm only rude or being a bad parent when I'm in a rush. If I take a few deep breaths and understand the situation, I don't get upset. But it's because something's not going to my expectations, and it just turned into instant asshole. And that's one of the reasons why we've designed our practice, how we have like a, you know, our appointment slots are 60 to 90 minutes. Wow. So I don't, and it's crazy, right? It's like every, almost every patient that I have has insurance, right? They haven't assigned PCP, but they don't get what they need, right? Which is somebody who

actually takes the time to not only listen and understand all of the factors that are playing a role in their current health status, but then can actually collect the necessary data and construct a plan to help them correct that, right? That there's no room for that in the current mainstream medical model. Do you ever feel, um, I, I had, um, someone had offered me some private coaching to, to help me with my back and my bicep. We started going down the path and they wanted me to do things that I just didn't want to do and it wasn't like it wasn't anything crazy like stick my thumb in my butt it was like hey put these these rubber band your feet in these rubber bands and do these movements i'm like i'm not doing that not because i'm like not for any

intellectual reason i'm just like not doing that i don't know why i'm just it's not in my um do you when you want to heal people and and you need to give them a prescription that requires their participation more than popping two pills and drinking water? Yep. I guess there's a fine line with – between dosing them gently with it or figuring out a way to manipulate them to get them to do that versus like hey fuck you if you don't want to do it you're just going to be hurt your whole you're going to be hurt right i mean there's like well here's here's there's an art to getting them to manipulating them to do it here's the secret right the best practitioners right no matter what domain you're in if you're going to be effective, you're utilizing motivational interviewing techniques,

right? And the evidence is pretty clear around this, that your likelihood to follow through with a health prescription is significantly higher if you come up with the components that you want to focus on, as opposed to me telling you in the traditional paternalistic model. So if we're having this discussion about your back and your bicep, and we talk about the foundational principles of why we think they're bothering you. Right. The next step is for me to say, OK, given what we've discussed about how your day is built, you know, what time we have to be able to dedicate to this, what principles we need, we know that we need to focus on around core strengthening and what have you. need we know that we need to focus on around core strengthening and what have you what do you think is something that we could commit to right in between us talking now when i see you again that you could be consistent with right what excites you and that's my job if i'm going to be effective to get you to surface that because i can tell you what to do all day to go and do

some suzanne, you know, leg squeezes and you'll smile and nod. Right. And you'll walk out and be like, I'm not doing that shit. Right. Right. And that's not, and that's not doing anybody any good. Right. Right. But the hardest part for a coach or a physician or a mentor in a business situation, when you know the answer, the hardest part is to sit on your hands and shut the hell up and let the other person learn and grow and come up with it. Because you're not doing them a solid by trying to shove all of your information to make you look smart down their throat. Less is more. How often do you do that where you think you know something,

but you're being patient and waiting for them, but then all of a sudden you learn something too? Well, that's, you know, when you have a true relationship, right, with your patients, it's not a one-way street. Like that's how it should be. You should be learning and growing together, right? And as your relationship grows and your knowledge of each other grows, their health improves as well, right? Because all of this is built on trust. Whether I'm working with, you know, a 75-year-old executive, executive right who wants to improve their body composition or an elite games athlete it starts with trust and a human connection right because if you don't have buy-in or believe in the process you're we're all just spinning our wheels

dude it's funny the trust thing has been uh is way off topic but it's been a huge thing i've been focused on lately in my life a couple years ago i remember ben bergeron i think it's funny. The trusting has been, uh, is way off topic, but it has been a huge thing I've been focused on lately in my life. A couple of years ago, I remember Ben Bergeron, I think it was members. He was on the show and he said, or I read it in a book, something he wrote, um,

relationships grow at the speed of trust. And that's why, you know, um, you know, you get two people who've never met before and you give them a big fat dose of ecstasy and their fucking relationship was fucking, they'll do 10 years and fucking four

hours but um my my relationship with my wife and then i have this group of friends i've been like looking at the trust in both of these um two situations and the more trust i and i've been with my wife for a long time but the more i started looking through everything that every issue we might have throughout the day like she didn't it's nothing serious but just like she might not like some way i spoke to the kids or something i try to look at through it through a trust lens just to see what that would look like trust paradigm and then this other group of friends i have our relationships are growing so fast right now between us and i just realized we got a huge healthy dose of trust in our group.

It's growing. And so then the relationship is speeding up. Yep. I think it's such an important point. is to be able to let down our walls and the, because you have to be vulnerable to a certain extent to start to establish trust. Right. And a lot of us are not good at being vulnerable. And a lot of that stems from a lack of self understanding,

right. Or confidence in our own self concept. I think it's too high of expectations too on, on, on relationships. Tell me more. What do you mean? Your friend isn't fucking perfect. Your friend isn't, your friend isn't perfect. Like, like your, your, your, your friend, like you have a friend for 10 years, and then you, I don't know, you find out that they've been smoking your weed every time they come over to your house, and you just found out through your security camera, and you're mad at them. It's like, fuck you. Like, they were your friend for 10 years.

Let that shit go. It's such an important point. I mean, our, our lack of ability to agree to disagree or to have a face-to-face conversation with, you know, whether they're friends or not with anyone, right. With a different viewpoint than ours or to be harmed in the lack of capacity to be able to forgive and grow, um, is hugely impactful and a huge negative. I think you're 100% right. And it's one of the things that frustrates me now with how society is structured more than anything with the thought silos that we all live in and the inability to come together and have a discussion around a topic that we disagree on, but then still be

humane to each other. And, you know, I can disagree with you completely and vehemently on a topic, but that doesn't mean that we can't necessarily be friends and I can't support you depending on what it is and what the scope is. Right. But we all, we all learn more by spending time with people who think differently than us and like in politics it's a big win-lose um situation right so uh they parade these people in front of you know senate committees and you got the the politician being like so can you define a woman for me and the person refuses to define what a woman is. And the reason why they don't want to define what a woman is is because they feel like there's a gotcha moment, right?

So instead of honest communication, they just don't want to lose. Or the abortion issue is another great one, right? It's like, hey, dude, you're over here claiming it's women's rights and these people over here are claiming that it's killing babies. And like, why can't you both be right? And it'd just be just a really fucking tough decision you know what i mean like i agree me personally i agree with everything the pro-lifers say but i'm still pro-choice but i don't know any fucking other pro-choicers who think that way like they they're afraid to give any honest conversation because they know that that's a tough if you do you you might be giving up ground

right like i just want someone to say hey dude it's only men have penises but listen we we need to show if these men want to be women we need to accept them or like just there's a dishonesty in the discourse because people don't want to lose ground do you get what i'm saying like there's a don't want to lose ground. Do you get what I'm saying? Like there's a, well, and it's like, dude, it's like, uh, that part's the part that sucks for me. Like just the dishonesty in the discourse. Yeah. It's a sign of strength, right? When you can have a discussion with somebody who disagrees with you, right. And still be, you know, a normal human and be cordial right because what happens is whenever we interact with somebody who disagrees with us automatically we become defensive right because it's like we want to win like we're interested in winning not getting to the truth it's threatening

our world view right it's threatening the lens with which we interpret how things you know are are coming at us or how things exist in the world but society is constructed in a way now to where we can live in a realm where it only reinforces our narrow worldview and so it never gets challenged or exposed and so you don't have the opportunity to actually grow right philosophically you know around the points you know how you think why you think it like we should always be challenging ourselves about our deepest convictions and thoughts and the best way to do that is by interacting with people who disagree with you and if you're scared to do that it means that you may need to take a deeper look at you

know what the true underpinnings of your worldviews are. You shouldn't be scared of that. You should be excited about that because you're either going to be more affirmed or you're going to learn something. And either one of those should excite you. Right. Shifting gears here, what is loneliness? Shifting gears here, what is loneliness? So when you look at the literature, it essentially breaks it down into social isolation and loneliness.

Those are the two buckets. And social isolation is more objective. So that can be defined in different ways, essentially by your peer group, how many people you interact with a day. You know, do you leave the house as opposed to loneliness, which is a more subjective experience. Right. And so that is is based more on asking someone, do you feel lonely? And the interesting thing is, is that the literature tends to show that the trends are that that subjective sense of loneliness is more impactful from a health outcome standpoint than objective social isolation. Okay. Okay.

Does that make sense? Yeah. So there's two kinds. God, is that my, is that my is that my computer that keeps ringing like that yeah i don't think it's me i wonder how i turned that off how come i never noticed that before if you go you can go to do not disturb um under there it should should take i think it's on my computer yeah if you go up to uh settings and go to uh notifications and just flip on do not disturb message settings uh thank you for the tutorial here uh keep message uh no i message uh sign out no don't no not not i message go under settings notifications and then

at the top there should just be a do not disturb button closes closes everything great i can't see you anymore oh that's what i can do why don't i just close i message for now no no one can um no one can't text me at all all right thank you for your help i went a little more nuclear objective isolation is um i'm in i'm in the uh i'm in the – I'm locked in a jail cell. Subjective isolation is – so is there no definition for subjective loneliness? Subjective loneliness. Well, no. It's rated by the person who's experiencing it. But what is the mechanism? Like I can't ever remember feeling lonely ever in my life. That's good. So I don't know. What would that look like?

So if you're – You have a thought that you can't process yourself, so you need – like what's the – No, the concept is that you theoretically could have a – you could not be socially isolated, right? So you may be interacting with people. know you may or may not you know have a friend group but you do not feel connection right you are not part of a tribe you do not have a sense of being connected to a community so you can be surrounded by people but still be subjectively lonely so the piece that i'm now focusing on that i think's helped me understand is if you don't feel like you're part of a community because it's funny i was getting all big high and mighty like

i don't need that but you're right i always feel like i'm part of a community i'm a crazy like as much as i like being alone i feel always like i guess i wonder i used to have this fear that um about my parents dying. And once I had kids, that fear subsided greatly. I wonder if that's what that is. I wonder if that was that fear of being alone because I was so connected to them. And now that I have kids, it's like, okay, it's kind of gross, but now I have them to attach on to. You got your tribe. I got my tribe.

Yeah. So that's somewhere in there is not wanting to be alone, probably, now that you mention it. It is, I think, one of the most important aspects of the affiliate, right? Because you are, as part of the process, you have the opportunity to become part of a tribe or a community that is moving in the same direction, right? And when you're talking about establishing,

you know, healthy habits or changing dysfunctional ones, leveraging the power of community who's moving in one direction and how difficult it makes it to swim upstream in the other direction is extremely powerful yeah i see it that's i i it's interesting i wonder um yeah i wonder how i'm trying to think of all the different affiliates that have been and it really is like that and what do you think about this i wonder what it's like for people who come in new to it like i hear stories about people who come in new to it and um and the people there are are too clicky like they're not they're not welcoming you know i mean the majority affiliates i think are welcoming yeah i mean my my experience

at least in the affiliates that i've been in and i've certainly heard horror stories i mean it goes back to what we talked about there's good affiliates and there's dysfunctional ones but yeah and the ones that i have been exposed to the vast majority of the time when there's somebody new they get a disproportionate amount of the encouragement and attention right to bring them into the tribe like i was just reading i think you know they posted something across with the other day with somebody asking i'm new to the group like i can't do shit but everybody's standing around cheering me on right as i'm pushing through like why are they doing this why are they being so nice to me and i i think that it's because we've all been there.

We all had our first time, our first week, our first month walking into affiliate. We understand how intimidating that can be. And it lifts everybody up to build that community so that you're all moving in the same direction. And having clicks and dysfunction within your affiliate, that starts to leverage subjective isolation, right? I mean, you're separating people and that undermines one of the most powerful influences of the affiliate model, right? So I think a lot of us do that subconsciously, but there's a lot of physiologic benefits that come by bringing everyone into the tribe. So you're moving in the same direction. How did you find CrossFit?

What's your origin? Dumb luck, man. You know, it's probably the same for a lot of people. I was going to the gym three or four times a week doing the same shit for six, seven years and wasn't making progress. And, you know, I'm fascinated by challenge and learning. One of the reasons I went into medicine is because I knew I was going to be a lifelong learner, right? The journey is never done, right? I get to constantly read and consume new knowledge and new information across it the same way. Like, you know, been doing this shit for however long I've been doing it, there is always something for me to work on and learn,

right? And get better at. And so that concept of being a lifelong learner and having continuous challenge and the journey never ending is extremely attractive to me. But specifically what happened? Like, did someone tell you about it? I don't, I don't? I don't remember, dude. I really don't. I don't remember if I saw it. Did you walk into an affiliate or did you learn it yourself from the website? You learned about it in your affiliate?

Just walked in, cold. Yeah. Did an onboarding and was like, wow, this is crazy. I've never seen anything like this before. It was the instant hook like it is for everybody. You go once and it was like this is this is it and was it out of character for you to do that like to walk into an affiliate to be like no it's it's interesting i think one thing that i really tried to get better at is to be comfortable

looking stupid um and as a physician that's not an easy thing to. And so I think where it would have been out of character for me as I walked in there and I didn't know how to do jack shit. And so it's really, that's being vulnerable, right? So it was very hard when in my life, I had built it to be in situations where I was generally the authority to come in and be at the bottom of the food chain and be like, I don't know anything, teach me. That was not an easy thing, right? I have to process that, but, you know, talk about reaping the benefits, right? It changed my life. I think I'm paraphrasing, but I think I heard Dave explain that. I don't remember if it was on my podcast or not but dave castro basically said that the root of a lot of the haters is their um their way they're hiding their discomfort when they imagine themselves doing crossfit because of how vulnerable you have to feel he

said a lot of people don't talk about it but there's a vulnerability to going as hard as you can and letting that in having your number being written on the board you know or or somewhere you know using your your 30 year old man who's been playing sports his whole life and there's a 55 year old woman using the same weight as you and beating and he's like and these types of things and you don't even know what the movements are and you can't you can't do the um the motor recruitment patterns required to do a clean you're still doing a reverse curl and so those are the things that make, there's that huge vulnerability piece that's not talked about. But I guess you're right. And that's where kind of the hate comes from.

It's not like a true hate for it, but it's like it's a defensive mechanism, right? I mean, yeah. And honestly, man, with most haters, no matter what the topic is, whether it's racism or anything else, it's a lack of exposure issue. It is really easy to talk shit and be a hater if you have never spent time or encountered whatever it is you're hating. If you walk into a well-run affiliate and you work out for a week, it is hard for me to imagine that you would not change that view pretty quickly. And that, I mean, that's what we're tasked with, right? Is to

let the people know who need it most, right? Who are the folks with metabolic dysfunction, who are the folks with mental health challenges, who are the folks with, you know, substance use disorders, that this is one of the most effective things that you can do to set your health on the right path. Right. And so that that's a huge component, I think, of the work that needs to be done is to lower the barrier of entry for everybody to walk through that door, just to get the experience, because as soon as that first class, they get that experience on a well-run affiliate with a community and people encouraging them and cheering them. It, it, you know, you're, you're playing with house money from there on your, your home

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Holy fuck fuck dude. Or what if I didn't have any exercise program in my life? What if I didn't have friends who were always like, Hey, I'm trying this diet. I'm trying, I love that. I love all that.

What if I didn't have that? I would fuck. I would, I would never, I would never wear shoes ever again over, um, uh, I would keep CrossFit over ever wearing shoes again.

I'd never ride in a car again. It's like fucking nuts yeah it's crazy i don't know i maybe even give up fire i don't know about fire fire is pretty cool it's one of the reasons why i love to hunt right because when you elk hunt right the phone's gone like you're off the grid yeah but the reason why i can do that is because I CrossFit. And then the food you get from the elk, it fits the prescription also. A hundred percent, brother. A hundred percent. But that functional fitness that I do in the affiliate is so that I can reap the benefits from my life experiences outside of the box. But I could get rid of all the rest of it. Right.

outside of the box, but I could get rid of all the rest of it. Right. But if I wasn't doing CrossFit, I couldn't go out and be the best version of myself in the mountains or, you know, in front of students, if we're doing education pieces or what have you. Right. So all of it is connected. No, it's foundational. Right. And that's why we brought our clinics to the affiliate because it is foundational for health. to the affiliate because it is foundational for health and there's 7 billion 970 million people who don't even know about fucking crossfit still it's fucking nuts we're gonna change that man yeah um uh blade walker i can't imagine going through my through a day thinking i'm not dope as hell i know i can't imagine that either I hope it goes to the end. My goal is to get as many people on the hype about themselves as possible. Yeah, dude. Hey, dude.

And you know what? That's how I would describe you. You love yourself and you love other people. And I think people, every time I've interacted with you, I feel better about myself. You're doing it, dude. Yeah, that a good you're you're a magician like that dude that's awesome uh someone no man bun no septum ring i have a man bun it's here oh oh you mean uh he doesn't have a dr tom doesn't have a man bun he'd create he'll grow a man bun he's just no i had a man bun phase i moved through that phase all right what happens next you just cut it off i dude i honestly it's a this is a uh a strategic decision like i don't have to own a comb i don't have to do anything with my hair i just wake up and go so it makes yeah i got i got

these everywhere i got rubber bands everywhere those are those are called scrunchies man scrunchies all right no no mine are masculine minor rubber bands sure. Those are, those are called scrunchies, man. Scrunchies. All right. No, no. Mine are masculine. Mine are rubber bands. Sure. They are. I've remained. Um,

uh, tell me about the, um, the health conference. Why, um, did they invite you? Are you excited about it?

And what will be the nature of your, uh, talk? Do you like doing that? Do you like public speaking are you freaking out no no i mean i've been done it for a long time now i mean it's interesting right because i'm a card-carrying introvert for sure uh but you know as we alluded to before when you find the thing in life that you're most passionate about i think part of that is that you feel driven to spread the good word right um and so you know whatever consternation or fears you would have about speaking in front of people like that takes a second seat to doing what needs to be

done uh you know to answer your question i think a lot of what needs to be done. You know, to answer your question, I think a lot of what we'll be talking about is a lot of the stuff that we talked about today. And, you know, my goal is to present the new vision of healthcare, right? As we move forward and how CrossFit and the affiliate model is the prescription. And as a healthcare system, we can build supportive structures within that model to provide the vast majority of what people need to form the best versions of themselves. And so we'll be talking a lot about the science around the things that we talked about today in more detail with the goal of really helping coaches, affiliate owners, anyone interested in understanding the role that fitness and community

plays in health optimization so that they can be true advocates moving forward. And there's a lot of other stuff that we'll save for the conference that I'm extremely excited about. So I hope as many people as possible can come because there's going to be a number of calls to actions for people in the health space coming from me. Tell me, the people you'll be speaking to will pretty much already be bought in. The people you'll be speaking to will pretty much already be bought in. So, right? You have a crowd that's already – they already want to be on – they already want to move right, move regularly, eat right, and recover right. So you'll basically be going into, I guess, more detail for that for them or re-emphasizing for them i mean you're you're preaching to the everyone who comes

there is going to be preaching to the choir right no one's showing up at the health conference and be like you guys got it all wrong go back to curls and uh and thymaster i think a lot of them may know that what they do is very effective but i think a lot of them may not be aware of how much scientific evidence there is as to why it's important. And this will hopefully allow them to be that much more effective at connecting with individuals within their affiliate around those whiteboard moments and everything else when they can drop a tidbit around how what they are doing today is directly connected to this thing that seems like it's a totally separate issue and how this fitness component really can improve that aspect where you're not connecting those dots

um so basically it's i see this question a lot i see see, hey, I want someone to do CrossFit, my mom or already know, giving you data points so that you can talk to other people who aren't willing to just try it. I am so excited about this lineup of speakers, man. And it is a world-class lineup of folks who really know their stuff, who have done the research themselves in a lot of the instances right whether you know tommy wood has published extensively right on the importance of community um you know ronda patrick has published extensively chris palmer has written books right about the importance of metabolic health and the role that that plays uh in mental health and wellness. And CrossFit addresses all of these things, right? It is the medical intervention of need to address the biggest health impacts, negative impacts on

our society today. And what's crazy too yeah what's great yeah there's patients everywhere right there's never been there's never been more patients oh man in need talk about talk about job security man it's a sad state of affairs on planet earth wow so many got nicole carroll in the lineup now yeah you're with you're with a good group of people. Congratulations. No, it's really exciting, man. Hey, you also got a master's in bioethics? That's correct.

What is that, bioethics? So, as we talked about before, I love learning and reading. four, you know, I love learning and reading. And my medical school had a dual degree program where I could do a master's at the same time as my medical degree. And so it was a really nice balance in juxtaposition to the hardcore science that we were doing all day to then be able to explore philosophically, right, the reasons and drives and discussions around patient choice and how we make decisions around medical care intervention, how you think about right and wrong. intervention, how you think about right and wrong. That exploration allowed me to get through the medical how to say it any other way. My reaction to COVID-19,

societal reaction to COVID-19 did significantly more damage than COVID-19. Significantly significant. It's like there's a pothole and you could have hit it and got a flat tire and instead you swerved off the road and fell off a cliff. That that's what I think happened.

I mean, is that an ethics issue? So I think what you can say as far as how things have played out, and I don't think we'll understand the full ramification of how we've been impacted as a society and and most strongly right the kids who were at early developmental stages of you know social interaction um you know pre-k kindergarten early grades in california my kids didn't go to school for two years. Right. The, the impact of that, I think will play out over time. You know, the medical system was trying to make the best decisions that it could at the time with the information that it had. The problem was once we had an understanding of what we were truly dealing with, they were not nearly quick enough to change what was happening. And there was a continuation of policies that probably did more harm than good. You know, I totally agree with you.

What about this kind of misunderstanding that doctors should be the ones making the decisions. So, for example, Greg has this talk where, hey, don't ever let the lawyers make the decisions, right? Because they're constantly looking for like, okay, if it was up to lawyers, there would be no weights in any CrossFit gym. They're too dangerous. They're a liability. They could fall on your toe and you'd be sued, right? I mean, right? And that is the way it is. That's their job.

Or when my wife, when we were going down the path of having our first child, my wife's OGBYN, is that what it's called? OBGYN, yep. She said something. She said, hey, I want you to know my job is to look for things that could go wrong. That's my job. And so what do we – and there was this enormous trust put in – there's this enormous trust societally put in physicians, and especially as we get into a sicker and sicker society, right? And especially as we get into a sicker and sicker society, right? There's this like huge – like people just want to go there and lean on them and be told what to do. I think part of the problem is that we use the doctors to tell us what to do as opposed to them give us information.

Like the scientists shouldn't have been making – let's say the scientists and lump them up with the doctors too. They shouldn't have been making the decisions.'s say the scientists and lump them up with the doctors too. They shouldn't have been making the decisions. They should have been giving us the data, and then with that data, we use our own discernment to find out what we wanted to do, what level of risk we were willing to take. So here's how I describe it, Savant. I think you summarized it well, And this is what I tell patients all the time when they'll say, what should I do? And I say, my job, right, is to be the purveyor of information, right? And then through the process of shared decision-making, right, which every physician should do, right? of shared decision making, right? Which every physician should do, right? Where we should not be the paternalistic model, right? Is no more, and it should be no more for many reasons, right? But it's important that everyone finds a physician who they can sit down and talk with,

have an honest discussion of what the data truly is. And then you come up with the best plan of action. And I may not agree with that plan, but it's not my job to convince you to do exactly what I want you to do. It's my job for you to be an informed decision maker for your own health. Right. I think that's inherent within every physician patient interaction. It should be. And if you're a patient and you're going to see a physician and you ask a question or you voice an opinion and they make you feel ashamed or they belittle you or they snicker under their breath, you need to find somebody else. Because that is not the relationship or the type of interaction

that any of us should have to have with our healthcare team. It's funny you say that. I went to, for a checkup at kaiser i don't know if this is last week or five years ago now but let's say it's a couple years ago i can't remember and i said to the guy he was a cool guy i liked him you know what i mean like he was he was cool cool like pride you know well first of all he walks in the room and and i and i introduce myself and shake his hand and so like you know the 20 times i've been to the doctor with my kids or my wife or myself in the last five years, not a single doctor has ever introduced themselves to me. They're like, they just say hello and they start going. So I say, hi, I'm Savon and I shake their hand.

It's like they're shocked. It's crazy. 100%. There's never been one that's like, like I didn't catch off guard. But anyway, so then, so then you're in there with them and it's this big, handsome man who's got like, you know, the FUPA. So then you're in there with them and it's this big handsome man who's got like, you know, the FUPA. He's probably he's probably used to be an athlete, but now he's got like just like 30 pounds right in his like between his belly button, his cock and balls. And at the end of whatever we were doing there, he said, I said, hey, what do you think about fasting?

And he goes, it's nonsense. Don't worry about that stuff. I said, OK. And then I go, what do you think about autophagy and he goes i don't know what that is i was fucking shocked right because i'm not a fucking i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed i mean it took me two years to be able to pronounce that word i was like always like auto photography like it took me forever to figure out how to say autophagy i'm like oh really you don't know what that is he goes no i'm like oh you should look into it it's pretty cool shit and he's like hey man stop with that nonsense listen i'm gonna give you a printout if you want to be healthy follow these rules and the fucking top thing on the rule is always cook with canola oil

oh god this is from kaiser dude oh yeah i believe. And then another thing he told me is like, he's like, hey, you're behind on your vaccine schedule. And I was like, no, I'm good. And he goes, they're free. And I like the guy, but part of me is like, I think he's just seriously, Tom, he's so used to dealing. Because when I was in the waiting room, there were like 20 people in there and no one looked like me. They don't even, they're like,

it was like, I was a chimp and they were gorillas or I was a gorilla and they were chimps. I know we're in the same, I know we're primates. Like I was a, a Python and they were a Kingsnake. You know what I mean?

I was not them. It was crazy. They're just a total total they have a different manifestation they're like i was a robin and they were a blue jay i mean we i was not i know i'm in the same family as them but i'm not them so i was like giving the doctor some leeway like well he's just used to dealing with robins i mean just full fucking uh yeah it's crazy so you you raised a very very important additional red flag yeah when you're working with physicians that everyone should be aware of yeah if you ask a question like that and they scoff yeah he stopped and have an absolutist answer back out of the room, not slowly, relatively quickly.

Later, dude. Because the answer should always be for the vast majority of these things, especially when it comes to nutrition strategies. The next thing that comes out of that person's mouth should be, well, why? Why are you interested in fasting? Why do you think that that's a good strategy for you? Because none of this stuff is binary. And my job is then to talk about, okay, these are the levers that you're pulling that are going to be improved by using time time restricted feeding or intermittent fasting or longer fasting periods and this is what you're going to be giving up now put that through the lens of what's important for us in front of you right now right and if you're looking at you know a 40 something year old physician who's got probably a decent amount of lean body mass

underneath all of that adipose but has 30 pounds of subcutaneous adipose and probably a pound or two of visceral adipose, which is probably the most deadly thing for him. You know, a time-restricted feeding protocol or potentially some fasting strategies could be extremely effective for him. Now, for somebody else, right, who's got low bone mineral density and poor lean body mass and, you know, wants to leverage autophagy, but is, you know, extremely devoid of skeletal muscle, metabolically active tissue, like we can have that discussion about how this potentially may be beneficial. But it's also my job to highlight, like, this probably isn't the number one priority for us right now. and it's not that I'm going to tell you not to do it, but I want to make sure that you're making an informed decision. Yeah, yeah.

What do you think about autophagy? Well, what about it? Do you think it's – is that a valid – for people who don't know, and the doctor here will correct me if I'm wrong, it's basically when you're not eating and your body is searching for fuel, it starts eating sick, I guess, cells in your body that are – it starts with the sickest cells in your body. So a real simple explanation would be like you're not eating. You're basically starving yourself, and so if you have skin tags, your body would start consuming the skin tags. And I'll tell you something I noticed the other day. I day i had a oh that's why i went to the doctor i had a growth on my i had a growth on my thigh somewhere okay uh like and i and i went in and i took a bunch of pictures of it and he's like hey come on in let me look at it and he said it was a mole okay

well when i started so it must have been over three years ago. So I started not eating every Sunday. Saturday night I stopped eating and then didn't start eating again until Monday. I would only drink black coffee. And then I noticed that mole's gone. That fucking mole – that thing he said was a mole is gone. So we can also talk about correlation. And so I'm guessing that was a – yeah, correlation versus causation. But so do you think – I know that's just a study of one, but what do you think – do you believe in autophagy?

Does the evidence convince you that the body – like if you starve yourself, your body will start eating cancer cells or bad cells and shit? Sure. No, it's not a belief thing. You don't have to believe in science. Science is right? So autophagy is a real thing, right? The clearance of senescent or zombie cells, right? And if we can leverage that in a meaningful way, that can be a very powerful health intervention. I think where the jury is out is understanding what duration of fasting is required to leverage meaningful degrees of autophagy. So a lot of people think that, oh, I'm doing an 8-16 feeding window,

so some form of time-restricted feeding, they're leveraging autophagy. It's like, well, maybe. And what that translates into from a longevity standpoint, I think is still a debatable question as well. So wholeheartedly, autophagy is a real thing, right? Clearance of senescent cells is very powerful, right? But in the human model, understanding what the duration is, how frequently you need to do it to have it actually translate

into meaningful health outcomes in health span and lifespan, while at the same time, not undermining lean body mass or muscle mass because you're decreasing caloric intake significantly if that's a primary issue for you, right? Those are all things to consider, right? And, you know, in a lot of these instances, we don't have all of the information, right? So it's, you know, you're making the best decisions with the data that we have. And I liked the way you said that earlier too. I hadn't ever even thought about that before, but if you have,

if you're afraid, cause I mean, honestly, I don't hang around anyone who's frail. I'm the most frail person. I know everyone's a fucking brick shithouse, but I hadn't thought about that before. Well, I guess, I guess, I guess in my mom's situation, my mom went to a fasting center. She's a CrossFitter, but she's a tiny woman. She's five feet tall, 100 pounds. She went to a fasting center. She went there to fast for five days.

I think after 15 minutes, they're like, sorry. It was longer than 15 minutes. They're like, ma'am, you're tiny. My mom can't even give blood. You got to be 110 pounds to donate blood. It's interesting. I hadn't really thought about that, but you're right. You can't just. Well, that's the thing with all of these things, right? It's it, we are past the point to where we have to rely on epidemiologic evidence. That's good for 60%

of the people. Like you should be making a connection with a healthcare provider, whomever they are. And you should be having a discussion about the best evidence we have to make an informed decision about what's best for you. Because I go through, you know, every day, you know, building health performance plans for all of my patients. And the prescriptions are very different. Right. And that's because each of us is very different and we're at a different place in our health journey right and we have different priorities um and so you know a cookie cutter approach you know one size fits all um you know aside from you know not being a dumb ass and consuming highly processed and refined foods and way too much added sugar you know all of us can benefit from that for the most part right um but once we get past those stages into you know, all of us can benefit from that for the most part. Right. Um, but once we get

past those stages into, you know, these, you know, religious dogmatic discussions about, you know, nutrition strategies and, you know, because people will self-identify with these, I mean, talk about putting up barriers and living in a silo. Um, you know, we, we all need to recognize that, you know, the strategy that's best for me may not be what's best for you and just because it works for me doesn't mean that it's going to work for you right and so i think that you know anybody who's working with individuals needs to be very comfortable with all of these potential types of interventions and be able to sit down with you and discuss the pros and cons and figure

out, you know, help you come to the decision of what's going to be the best intervention plan for you. And that can change over time, right? That may be initially in your journey. If you have a significant amount of metabolic dysfunction, the time-restricted feeding and fasting is hugely impactful, right? Once we move through that first stage and you've corrected that metabolic dysfunction and you brought down your fasting insulin number and your A1C and your fasting glucose, and you've decreased your visceral fat load, which hopefully you're monitoring. It may be then that you can now transition into, you know,

building more lean body mass, right. Which may involve being in a caloric surplus, but those better be the right kind of calories. Right. So bodybuilding is fun. Plus bodybuilding is fun. It is. right so bodybuilding is fun plus bodybuilding is fun it is it is right who i've been doing these a lot again lately for the last like six months you know and i love it nothing feels better to me in the morning than my tries feeling being sore just like that sense of accomplishment bodybuilding is great dude i love the successory work it's uh i mean that's what we call it i like it man successory better we've changed i'm not bodybuilding i'm

doing accessory work successory successory work um so something's gonna happen from you being on this podcast there's gonna be there's people out there who want crossfitting doctors how do people find well first of all are you taking on more clients and how can people want crossfitting doctors. How do people find, well, first of all, are you taking on more clients and how can people find crossfitting doctors? Do I have to move to Nashville and join Prue? No, no, you do not. That is not a requirement. You know, we, it's awesome to work with people who are local in the community and can immerse themselves in the affiliates, whether it's in Northeast Ohio or here in Nashville. But no, we work with folks all over the country in a perfect world. I love to have them come and spend a couple of days with us.

Right. So you get to come in, we meet, we spend time together. We can do all your diagnostic testing. We do your blood work. We do your resting and active metabolic rate analysis. We do your body scan. You can have a workout, work out with some of the fittest people on the planet, move through a recovery protocol if you want to, and then you can go back to Massachusetts and we can work remotely for a number of months before we need to see each other again. And so there's a lot of ways to do it. And we do work with folks completely remotely and we can source a lot of these diagnostic testing modalities in their communities. So if they can't get to us, if that's prohibitive, we can still get the information that we need

to get a true understanding of your, your core foundational health pillars so that we can build an informed health strategy. Is there, is there a place where, is there a bucket someone can open up and be like, oh, that's where you are. And it's just full of CrossFitting doctors. So if you come to the conference, we will be talking about that. But one of the things that we're most excited about, and I'm very hesitant to even mention it because, you know, one thing that I've learned about working with CrossFit over the years is I never count my CrossFit eggs before they're hatched. And so I will probably save that, but it's something that a lot of people have been working on for a very long time.

And I'm really excited and hopeful that we'll be able to talk about it in more detail at the conference. But I can say that i have a lot of colleagues in the space who are cross-fitting physicians who would love to work with individuals and i'm happy to connect people and if they want to work with me i'd love to to build a relationship with folks they can find us at mccoy-medical.com and get in touch with us there tell me what it is what is it hyphen medical.com and get in touch with us there. Tell me what it is. What is it?

McCoy hyphen medical.com. And I'm on IG too, a vital human doc. So we can direct people to the best way to get in, get in touch with us. And if it's not me, you know, we can work to find somebody who you can work with. Uh,

let me just, is that, uh, McCoy hyphen medical.com. Is that, is that website live? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Let me see if I can pop this. It might come up as To Be Human as well as The Parent if you see that on there. Okay. Yep, yep. It did. Okay. You can pull that up. And so there's a reach out and contact us there.

People can schedule a quick discussion and talk with my co-founder, and we can talk about options and what things look like. I like how you cut your face off but kept her face. That's solid. It's my move. Look it. Look it because she's behind you. Your head is like three times the size of hers. That's awesome, too.

I like that. Man, I got more important things to do than worry about the website, bro. Hey, I'm telling you, it's good. It's good. I like it. So, yeah, if you just click on that start a conversation um that's that's the fastest way to get in touch with us underneath there that's awesome let me finish with this are are we um uh what's different about us what's different about working

with um crossfitters than working with, uh, the other primates? Oh man, that's such a great question. Um, we need another couple of hours to talk about that. Okay. Well, can you give me a, like a, yeah, I mean, one of the biggest things that I've realized in, you know, working in this space and with elite athletes and just affiliate members across the country is that how you look does not necessarily translate into health. And so it is important for all of us at some point, at least to do some basic blood work to make sure that we're not leaving money on the table as far as our health is concerned. Because it's certainly encountered, you can have pretty significant

metabolic dysfunction and other things and not look outwardly obese. And so that's a part of it. I think another piece of it is, is that CrossFitters by and large are extremely driven and we spend a lot of time in very high intensity and just shoving on the sympathetic side of our nervous system and working with folks to help cultivate recovery strategies. And that looks different for everybody but understanding that through establishing balance you can be more effective and achieve more goals if you aren't burning the candle on both ends from an intensity standpoint and driving your nervous system into the ground you can be very effective so I think probably one of the biggest things that CrossFitters tend to be very, very driven. And so working within that mindset and paradigm

to help people understand all the influences that impact overall health and performance is one of the most interesting challenges. Let me, excuse me, since we started with some tough questions let me finish with the really tough one very sensitive very sensitive issue here you're saying that you could not be obese and still not have the greatest health markers

you never heard of being skinny fat yes so let me ask you this here comes the question can you be obese and be healthy so you can be obese and not have significant metabolic dysfunction right you can't well i mean keep in mind that technically i'm overweight by bmi so this is a much longer discussion right and i got single digit you know what i'm talking about i'm talking about the person in the cart that's the 3 000 people in carts at disneyland or any of those people healthy i'm talking about the good lady who cart, the 3,000 people in carts at Disneyland or any of those people healthy.

I'm talking about the lady who's 200 pounds overweight on the cover of fucking Vogue magazine, and she's telling people that she's fine. And I'm like, bitch, you're on fucking medications. I know you are. Like, you have to be. It is important to understand that just how outward appearance does not mean that you are metabolically unfit. It also does not mean that you're metabolically fit as well. So you can have a certain amount of subcutaneous fat, right? That's within appropriate parameters and still have very low visceral fat and be potentially metabolically healthy. Now, two, three,

what's visceral fat? It's not on your organ. It's not on your organs. No, it is on your organs, right? So visceral fat is intraperitoneal. It's the fat that's inside your abdominal cavity that sits on your liver and your heart and your kidneys and your organs that is disproportionately inflammatory, right? Because of location. And that's not what you want. You don't want that kind. No, sir. And this, this comes back to the literature, right? Where there's a bit of an obesity paradox, right? Where there is data that shows that you can have some degree of subcutaneous fat, but in regards to health outcomes, um, it, there are, there's some

research that actually shows that it's protective to certain degrees. Now, a lot of that likely is related to incorporating people who may be near end of life, right. And are catechic and malnourished, right. And so they're thin. And so that, so there's, you really have to look at the data sets to understand where that's coming from. Right. Like my mom my mom i like to see my mom thicker than skinnier the point that i would make is that if you see a person walking into their your affiliate just because they're skinny don't think that they're metabolically healthy okay um let me uh let me show you this picture you're gonna hate this sorry no one's even watching no one's even watching now tom no one's even watching just me and you in the room just a

couple we're five beers deep this is this is healthy like i like i i know that's not healthy i know i know that her just based on this what i know about the way the body moves i know there's positions that the body needs to probably get in that if you're that heavy, you can't get into them. I just know that's not healthy. That's not – for the things that we're made to do here on planet Earth, like maybe catch food, hunt food, and mate, I don't think that that's healthy. I don't think that she – I don't think that that body is even healthy to carry a baby in. Do you have any – It's healthier than sitting on the couch. I mean at least she's standing up. I don't think that that body is even healthy to carry a baby in.

It's healthier than sitting on the couch. I mean, at least she's standing up. Dude, don't get me wrong. Yes. But I love her pose. Her emotional status is great. Her skin is beautiful. The spread of fat over her body, I like even that, right?

The way it's everywhere. You know what I mean?'s it's it's it's equally dispersed you know what i mean i'm just saying that that like that is not healthy she's not even i don't think she's even at the 50 yard line of what she's probably capable of as a human being carrying around all that extra weight i think it affects her thoughts probably and for sure her ability to go up and down stairs. Let me just ask you this, Pitch. Could that body be healthy? That's not how I would define health. Now, what I would say is that it would be very hard to have that much excess adipose and have optimized lipids,

fasting insulin, visceral fat, et cetera, right? So in all likelihood, there are significant health markers there that need to be improved, but that's also me. I'm not one to make past judgment or make factual statements when I don't have the information. So my job as a healthcare provider, when I see that person walk into my clinic,

is to make a meaningful connection and get data and find ways to connect with them so that they can improve the same way it is for all of us. It's like both you and I have things that we can work on and continue to optimize and improve. And me, you know, casting, you know, negative connotations to body type or anything else is not going to help me connect and develop a relationship with that person. I want to I want to say this. I'm not there's nothing I don't want to say anything negative about her body type. Like I'm I'm 30 years, 30 years ago in a couple couple cocktails and me and her fought some good music getting with that but my point is this it says on there this is healthy let me let me go here and i think that that's doing an enormous disservice to uh society i think she has beautiful skin i like

her smile uh i i i see her as fucking a beautiful woman form. I'm not a big fan of the tattoos, all the fucking writing on her. But I just can't – I think that there is a shape for 99% of us to infinity that we can fit in and be like, hey, dude, you got – that's not good. And I'll even define health. You're going to live a shorter life. Two things. You're going to live a shorter life. Two things. You're going to live a shorter life than what you probably could have. So I'm making the presupposition you want to live long. And two, you're not operating optimally.

Like you could even be happier with a different diet. But her exercise regimen might be perfect. Fuck, what do I know? But that thing is consuming too many calories. But her exercise regimen might be perfect. Fuck, what do I know? But that thing is consuming too many calories. Yeah.

I mean, objectively speaking, right, based on that image, right, her body composition, she's probably class two or class three obesity. And there are significant negative health outcomes associated with that diagnosis. Yeah. All right. and it should be open discussion like i do i have an issue with them promoting that as healthy i don't like that dude if any of us are getting our health advice from cosmo and unfortunately a lot of people are like we got and this is the same thing with news media news bites right looking at relative risk and and putting that up and not talking about how relative is different than absolute right like you've had emily on the show right she talks a ton about that like that that is the type of education that we need to be

providing to people so that we don't get caught up in this clickbait bullshit where people have their silo reaffirmed and don't expose themselves to other ways of thinking. It's not just that this is, this is science, right? Right. Dude, thanks for coming on. Um, uh, please stay in touch with me as you get your practice up in, um, uh, your, your, your, I mean, your practice is up and going, but as you get more and more, uh, this, this situation, this new, you know, 3.0 going at proven, please stay in touch with me. I'd love to have you on and hear about, uh, what you, you know, 3.0 going at proven, please stay in touch with me. I'd love

to have you on and hear about, uh, what you're doing and, and maybe talk about some of the extremes, uh, issues that, um, uh, CrossFitters have is since we are, you know, we're trying to push the boundaries of what a healthy, capable human being can do and talk about that and have some fun conversations. I'd love to. No, I'd love that opportunity. And, um, yeah, if, if anybody listening, you know, would want to work with us, we're, you know, we're, we're seeing patients in Ohio now and we're booking patients, uh, for Nashville, uh, to start seeing folks here, uh, next month, the rigs are up and I'm looking at them as we speak. So it's a, it's a really exciting time. Um, and, time and love to connect with more of your listeners.

Awesome, dude. All right. February 2nd, go hear Dr. Tom McCoy speak at the CrossFit Health Summit in Austin, Texas. Tickets still available. Thanks, brother. All right, man. Take care. Talk to you soon.

Easy peasy. What a cool dude doctors never want to say crazy shit i don't blame them adipose adipose she has a large amount of adipose let me see adipose what is ad What is adipose? There's so many words I didn't know. Adipose. A-D-I-P-O-S-E. It's a body tissue used for storage of fat. Adipose. Body tissue. Adipose tissue body fat.

Anatomy and function. Cleveland Clinic. Adipose tissue, otherwise known as body fat, anatomy and function, Cleveland Clinic. Adipose tissue, otherwise known as body fat, is a connective tissue that extends throughout your body. What do you mean, as opposed to a non-connective tissue? The one you pull out of a box and it just separates from the rest of them? I did make my bed.

I didn't think that bed, I made, My bed's made, just so you know. That was... Avi slept in that bed. Last night. Harmful mirror lights. Get rid of this harmful mirror... What mirror lights? What are you talking about? I have a...

I have like a beauty light over here. I don't know why it's making me so red. I wonder if I turn this off, what I look like. That's what I look like without the beauty light. Oh, I guess I got a little whiter. I don't know why that light would make me redder. Hey, can you guys hear the dinging of my my text messages while while the show's going and my 1500 shows in and that's the first time it's like gotten to me i just turned it back on oh

those disgusting things on the wall above the beds oh those are lights dude this hotel is dope i'm at i'm telling you no i'm not consuming trt shut the fuck up i'm at. I'm telling you. No, I'm not consuming TRT. Shut the fuck up. I'm not even, I'm not, like, if you saw me in person, I'm not red at all. I'm like, I'm brown. I'm like a light-skinned brother. I am a light-skinned brother. How about, speaking of light-skinned brothers, how about the fucking president of fucking Harvard?

Speaking of light-skinned brothers, how about the fucking president of fucking Harvard saying she has no issues, no issues with chanting death to fucking Jews on campus? She wants to protect freedom of speech. Listen, there's a big difference between protecting freedom of speech and – I mean can you imagine saying people chanting Blade death to black people, all black people on campus somewhere? Like you can't do that. And it's a fucking public school it's a school it's a school setting there's gonna be different rules at the school setting you can't have porn in the library at the school slightly different rules slightly different rules at the school And now she's trying to walk it back Same with the lady at Penn Was it Penn?

University of Penn State? We don't have an issue With people chanting death to the Jews I can't wait for the live calling show Oh they did lose 100 million? Hey dude Those are really bad people Just anytime you hear that just throw

black people in there just be like anytime someone's like are you okay with them saying death to jews and they're like well it depends on the context uh if there's actually no conduct behind it what did you mean no conduct behind you mean if they actually haven't started killing any jews is that what you're waiting for that's what that bitch said we're waiting for? That's what that bitch said. We're waiting for the conduct. The conduct is what we disapprove of, not the words. Oh. So you're waiting until they start killing some Jews. But anyway, just take that and just slip in other.

I always slip in black people. I always slip in Jeremy. I always think, oh, we want death to Jeremy on all campuses. That's my synonym for black dudes. What the fuck? You can't do that. I don't even. Seve, the Savonistas are doing three-week bench cycle.

Want to join us? No, I'm on the road, dude. Look at my shoulders. Fuck. I worked out for the first time in like two or three days yesterday Want to know what I did? I did 20 cals on these in Greg's garage I did 20 cals on the assault bike 5 strict chest to bar pull ups

That's the only kind I ever do Right Blade? All pull ups should be strict and chest to bar I did 10 push ups With my hands kind of low Like like a planche push-up. 10 of those. And then five dumbbell squats with 45-pound dumbbells in the front rack position. And I did that for 10 rounds. Dude, you guys know I'm just eating meat, right?

So, like, I'm seven or eight days of just eating meat. Last time I did this, I didn't pee out of my asshole. Now I'm just, like, just peeing out of my asshole every deuce. Only sharted once. But yeah, I'm like eight days of just meat. There's two or three times I've cheated. I put a little bit of cream in my coffee one morning. And then yesterday I went to lunch with Greg at this place in Arizona. It was the most disgusting place ever. It's just a hole in the wall Mexican place. And I didn't eat anything there. So I just ordered this like bowl of chopped carne. Carne?

Not carne. It's carne. Dude, it might as well have been fucking dog I was eating. It was all these little pieces of meat, and I squirted a little bit of this red cayenne pepper sauce on it because it was so fucking disgusting. I probably just ate a bucket of seed oil and dog. It was probably dog. I just kept thinking the whole time, am I eating someone's dog? Fuck.

Crazy. Crazy, crazy, crazy crazy crazy how do you say how do you get up in front of like excuse me do you feel like it's threatening to the students on campus when you have people walking around campus chanting and holding a sign saying death to all Jews well it depends on the context were they holding the signs here or here? Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness. It's a fucking campus. It's a school campus. It's a learning center. Can't you just make them go outside the campus? We're not banning fucking Hustler magazine. We just don't want it in the elementary school.

Can't you put the Hustler magazine at the 7-Eleven? Why does it have to be right in the library in the school? That's it. Hey, dude. I don't want to hear shit. I don't want to hear shit about... Look at this.

Look at this. Look at this I saw the other day, too. This is fucking awesome. I want to actually see my... What was that guy's name I've had on the show before? Matthew Boudreaux? Is that his name? Boudreaux?

The guy who's friends with Tim Kennedy? Oh, there he is. Matt Boudreaux. Look at this. He posted this the other day I want to see my oh here we go okay

look at this look at this story listen this is the story of my life by the way when I heard him saying this I was like this is like the total story of my life. You guys are going to love this. You guys are going to so relate to this. Okay, ready?

Here we go. All right. So was I pulled to the side at the airport? Yes. Did they take my bag and search it? Yes. Did they pull something out and say, we need an explanation for this? Yes. and say we need an explanation for this yes when i explained it did they ask more questions and still not fully understand what it was and how i had it in my bag and why i was trying to sneak

through the airport yes even when i explained it did they take their little wipey thing and wipe it down and you know plug that in the machine to see if it was something crazy yes that in the machine to see if it was something crazy yes had some great guesses in the comments people saying uh or in the the story that i posted people saying oh was it protein powder maybe it was john level sword i'm sure it was some sort of cocaine because so this guy was stopped in the airport and they're like searching his shit and when he's saying this at first i was like come on, Matt. No one gives a shit. That shit happens to me all the fucking time.

I've been in secondary fucking a thousand times. What do I give a fuck? Like, yes. And that's what I thought, too. Probably had protein powder. So what? They're just doing their job. They're just doing their job.

I was thinking that the whole time. Right. I was like, oh, this is kind of silly. This is kind of silly. But the guy's my friend and I like him. So I'm listening anyway. OK, here we go. Because that would make sense for the way they handled it.

But if you said, was it a bag of dried mangoes? You'd be the winner. A bag of dried mangoes. Dude, he got fucking taken to secondary and questioned and all that shit because he had a bag of dried mangoes. I'm still okay with it, but don't anyone ever fucking tell me that black people get fucking treated worse than white people. Let me tell you, everyone gets treated weird. And a matter of fact, if you are black, you get treated better now because everyone's scared to fucking death of you. So I don't want to hear any of your fucking bullshit anymore. You did it. You won.

It's over. Shut the fuck up. They're fucking – they fuck with white people a thousand times more. It's not even that they fuck with white people more. They just don't fuck with you guys like they used to if they ever did. So you won. It's done. It's done.

Quiet. I don't want to hear nothing from no one about that shit ever again because because if this was if this was some fucking whiny woke dude i don't want to say some uh whiny black dude because that's not fair but if this was some fucking whiny woke dude he'd be saying it happened because he was black and it's not it's not happening at all it's just because people are stupid. And I'm okay with, if you don't know what dried mango is, even though you're a retard,

I'm still okay. Good, fine. Pull the guy over and take him to secondary and put your thumb in his ass. I'm fine with it. I ain't hating on you. You're doing your job. Good on you. Just do it.

But don't for a second tell me it's because of the fucking color of your skin. That's fucking skin that's fucking that's done listen anyone can go into a nordstrom's now and take whatever they want you win we lost fine society's toast trump 2024 mm-hmm all right love you guys uh tomorrow, I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow. What is today? Saturday? I would hang out with you guys some more.

I want to hang out with you guys, but I have to pee. Oh, oh, this is going to be good. Jedediah Snelson. Winner of Wheel of What? Look at those titties. TSA at Raleigh wanted me to get out of my chair so they could pat down my butt. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. TSA at Raleigh wanted me to get out of my chair so they could pat down my butt. Oh, my goodness.

I fucking love it. So what? Why didn't you like it? That was the most action your ass would have gotten in a long time. Let Bubba fondle your butt. Damn. Pat down your butt butt what would you have done would you just pushed up in your chair and held up like that and then they just slipped the uh dude i just did that thing well you know where you push on the two sides of your wheelchair and you pick your butt off the ground that thing we do um and i have this like tightness in my fucking groin that i've ever had since doing chad let me tell you chad is bad programming that exercise chad i know this

is gonna be blasphemy because it's a hero what that is a that's that's what gives crossfit a bad name that's just stupid like that's just stupid thousand step ups with a fucking 40 pound bag on your back. I don't know. Run the commercial and go pee. I don't know. I don't even know if I have commercials anymore. Do I have commercials? I made a new commercial for behind the scenes yesterday.

It's coming out. Let's see. What's this? California peptides. No, not that. Paper sheet coffee. No, not that. Paper Street Coffee. No, not that. Vindicate. I wonder if this is... Vindicate, use code SEVON for 15% off. Is that true? I didn't know you get...

Self-made training program. What's this? Must be something Taylor uses for his show. The barbell spin. Look at that. Jesus. Oh, lawn chair leaderboarding. All these little birth fit. Not that.

Dear Sarah Cox. Dear Bill and Katie. The phone number. Oh, like and subscribe I don't know where the commercial is oh what's this CrossFit Games app CrossFit

CA Peptide no not that too many buttons where the fuck is Caleb what happened to Caleb Go WOD What the fuck is Go WOD Oh two brain business

This Not that Oh This Oh, this? There's that. There's no, I can't, that's not, oh, oh, um, I don don't know there's one here called Mitch Wagner. I wonder what that is Oh SMTP now this is a free workout

There's a workout for you guys to hit next time you're in the gym This workout is unique format where the priority is both time and load pick a weight that's going to challenge you while still remaining manageable have fun remember to use your hook grip on this one tag us if you get a chance to hit it how young did taylor look that? What's happened to him since then? Video backgrounds are now supported in the studio. Oh, what is this? Uh-oh. I'm about to click something that I don't know if I should click.

If I lose you guys, sorry. Oh. Oh, shit. Oh, no. I lost my sponsors. Jesus Christ. Oh, shit. I knew I shouldn't have pushed on these buttons.

Bubbles? Sorry. Damn, I lost my sponsors. Pornhub? What's this? Wow. There's all sorts of crazy buttons back here. Well, now I lost my sponsors.

Well, that's a mess. Oh, can I turn this off? Nope, they didn't come back. All right. What's going on? You could have gone pee 10 times now. Oh, Taylor got married. That's what happened.

No, I have the, I have the, what do you mean you're going to lose the phone? I have the, oh, no, I have the phone. Phone's here. Oh, yeah, where is the phone? I have the... Oh, no. I have the phone. Phone's here. Oh, yeah. Where is the phone? Oh, no. It's here. Too many phones.

All right. I'm going. Anyone wants to hang out today, let me know. Just partying all day. Just going to work out. Wild zombie. Felt some movement in the pants when he heard the Pornhub song Daniel Garrity

there are three big CrossFit events happening simultaneously Dubai Legends and I have no idea what's happening at any of them we need Sunday night recap show I know that probably be good what's the third one I know that'd probably be good. What's the third one? What's the third one?

The Savannas' bench press competition? Oh, Fit Fest. Oh, yeah, yeah. Pedro's there. Talk to you guys soon bye bye