The Sevan Podcast - Dr. Tro | Curing Diabetes

Episode Date: December 14, 2024

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Points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. So I need to have equal even pressure on my foot. Yeah. Your toes should be pressing the weight onto your heels. If you're wearing shoes, you should have enough room so where they can like kind of spread out and then kind of grip the ground. You have more stability here or here. Okay. Same thing with your feet.

So I want to be able to spread my toes, full footprint on the ground. And I'm using that whole foot. So the integrity of my joints again comes from engaging my feet. So I need to have equal even pressure on my foot. Yeah. Good morning, ma'am. We're live. Ah, yes. I've got a meeting at the start of the show, but I'll be sure to catch up.

Okay, cool. Fine. Two times speed to catch up. I did that yesterday when listening to Lauren Khalil's podcast. I started like 45 minutes late and then I wanted to be caught up. Now I kind of understand the desire to be live because, because I don't, I don't want to be behind. That way, like the chat makes sense to me. It was a pretty funny show yesterday. I mean, for me, because people were asking her questions that I've talked about on the show. You know, like one of the suggestions I had was that she should bang CrossFit athletes and then talk about it on the air. And someone asked her that question. There were a bunch of questions people asked her, and they were all the ones she didn't like. She's like, I don't like this

question. Why would anyone ask me that? Someone needs to explain. I don't think Lauren understands that she shares half the planet with men and What men are all about and what men are like she was like, this is really disappointing I've worked really hard not to just be seen as a woman or as a sex object It's like yo, dude. Listen, let me explain something to you. That is not up to you That that you up to you. You could go the full libtard route, Lauren. You could chop your tits off, cut all your hair off, just make yourself ugly as fuck,

start putting piercings all over your face so the dudes won't be attracted to you. But you share the fucking planet with four billion dudes who want to fucking hold your tits from behind and fucking hit you doggy style. It has nothing to do with you. You have no choice over it. So when someone sent, and she's like, who sent this to me anonymously? I would like you to reveal yourself so we can have a chat. Oh, gross, Jake.

Some guys like anal that is disgusting. That is gross. Anal. Well what if you to me I think I'm trying to think whether I'd rather have anal or drink pee. My mates pee. I don't know. God, it just sounds disgusting. Both of them. Gay men hate anal with women. Really? That's interesting. I need to think about that. Anyway, and it was funny a few times, like, she said, like, you could tell, like, her temperament changed during the podcast and Then she would apologize for getting angry, but she never even gets angry

She's she's she's she doesn't I don't even know if she knows how to get angry Or maybe I'm just really read it bad at reading when she's angry Adam Blakesley I've seen her in person. She's not's not sexy. Yeah, i've seen her person a bunch too i'm not saying whether she's uh sexy or not sexy, but dude first of all all women are sexy and uh the thing is is That whole that whole mindset she she revealed some interesting things yesterday But that whole mindset of like I'm trying not to be a sex symbol or I'm trying to get get

Recognized based on my merit just throw all that out the door. Just just work hard Of course, there's gonna be dudes who want to fuck you You're on the planet with four billion dudes and every 30 seconds Dudes are trying to like let one fly like just be chill Don't worry about that work hard. No one no one's no one's no one's just because dudes want to bang you Lauren doesn't mean that you're not working hard or that you're not um Uh worthy or reputable or a quality reporter. No, no, like you're conflating those things Those dudes are out of your control. Enjoy that

The sooner you recognize that it is just a factor you can manipulate it and enjoy it Just manipulate it and enjoy it. It's just part of the ecosystem It's like people who avoid going outside on a rainy day The fuck is wrong with you? Waters falling from the sky and and you not going to go outside? That's crazy. Uh, Grant, I like Lauren. Yeah, it's a cool, it's a cool show. She just needs a little guidance. But anyway, I get really excited and thank you for all the people who text me to tell me when it's live Because I love watching it live and in yesterday was crazy there were like 14 live viewers and

They were all pretty chatty Kathy in the comments and she was getting overwhelmed. I enjoyed that part. I enjoy watching her be like well You was oh Like you know what I mean? She's like a little kid and you put too many desserts in front of them in their fucking short circuit. I Don't like I don't dislike Lauren but her show is brutally boring Yeah, maybe you're right but for some I like I I Maybe I like it cuz I feel like I'm watching something I shouldn't like. I kind of feel like she's a toddler, like it's stuck in a woman's body.

And maybe that maybe Adam, that's why you don't find her sexy. Like she's just like, like she needs to she needs some like crazy like, like reality got too far in front of her and she needs to run up and catch it Yeah, it's I guess it's like watching I didn't watch MTV I should have I was too busy I don't know what I was doing But anyway There's probably a lot of meat on that bone. I should have taken notes so I could have done more on it. But what happened was Last night the kids jujitsu instructor got a black belt man. That was it. It was so touching. It was so awesome So we went to class and then I was I was outside trying to listen to lauren's podcast at two times

Two times speed Uh sebi, uh, what we like about you is that you're being. Is that you're being. We the viewer can tell when people aren't being authentic, it's like watching Grant's videos. Oh, Jesus. Did you see what he did there, Grant? He killed two birds with one stone. He fucking tied you and Lauren Cleo together and then ran you over.

That wasn't cool. But still made me feel good. Unless you're saying Grant is authentic too. Oh, Jake and I have an interesting relationship. Hey, listen. Oh Jake and I have an interesting relationship. Hey listen, uh the um The other day when the show is fucking hurting grant called me right away when the one stream yard was all fucked up and started

Giving me solutions. I fucking I appreciated that What do you guys want to talk about you always want to talk about we can talk about The guest is gonna be a little late He's a doctor. So he's got you know doctor shit to do which is cool. I really like this guy. He's Armenian. Dr. Tro Collegian We can we'll get to both of them, but the I have two topics I Have the distinguished gentleman John Wooley to speak about this morning and then giant tits No shit no Noah Kaniga, depending on how you say it, it could be Noah Niga, depending if you do the K silent or not. He has a twin sister.

You know someone gave me his phone number to get on the show and I didn't want to call him because he was under 18 but I need to get him on the show Seven looks like he's transitioning to Colonel Sanders So fucking the distinguished gentleman John Woolley has Made it change my whole fucking life for the next three months. I think it's fucking guy. I Think he won I think he checkmated my shit. Motherfucker. I hate getting checkmated. I suck at chess. Son of a bitch. Where and why do people watch Wooly? When I him? I only see a turtle

Yeah, but that fucking turtle called me out to do the open and like donate to charity like first of all Well, let me do the giant tit thing first I want to start the morning off on a good on it Let's let's talk about giant tits. This is although this is a very sad story. This is a very This is a very, this is crazy. This chick did the opposite of Katrin David's daughter. Simona Hallepp. Okay, you guys ready for this? I can't believe I never, I can't believe I never heard of this story. 2008. Simona Hallepp had made it to the top 200 in women's tennis, but to achieve grand slam and get into top 50 in women's tennis, she was facing two big issues. And that was Simona's

massive 34 double Ds. 34 double Ds. Simona's massive 34 double D's. That's crazy, isn't it? Think about, think about, I need to have it get a doctor on. I think I turned the heat up too high in here. I need to get a doctor on the show and, and, and I need to get a doctor on a show and figure out how that works. So what happens? Like, why do some frames do that? You just like your everyone puts holds their fat tits are just two giant lumps of fat,

right? Well, D breast size due to big sizes, she was facing huge problem in running between the play properly She was not even able to play backhand smoothly soon She realized that if she want to become champion in tennis player, then she have to sacrifice her God-given breast size So Jesus Christ that that shot from the sky was crazy So you couldn't do backhand because you couldn't reach over like this because your tits got in the way Because you couldn't reach over like this because your tits got in the way Yeah, genetic so what it was so what is it like some some everyone everyone's given like a like hey Here's your fat cells and like they're distributed all over the body and some chicks have a

shitload of them put on their chest Dude this chick is hot as fuck surprised you weren't on her prior. She's still got bombs after the cut down. I had this girlfriend who had the hugest tits you've ever seen in your life. They were like this big. And she got a breast reduction before I got to them. And they got fucking destroyed destroyed the doctor took out like half the boob inside I mean they were still like Bigger than double D's, but he didn't he didn't tie this the skin up. He just took out the tit And so her tits were like sharp pays. It was fucked up. It was fucked up It was crazy they were the they were it was oh man it was tragic.

Simona decided to undergo breast reduction surgery, reducing her size to 34 c. This difficult decision proved to be a turning point in her career. Over the next five years, Simona Hallepp gradually started ranking up in tennis. Nine years after the surgery in 2018, she achieved her dream by winning the French Open. And very next year 2019, she won Wimbledon championship. What are your views comment down and follow advanced to be the advanced version of yourself. By 2008, Simona Halep had made it to the top 200 in women's tennis. But to achieve grand slam and get into top 50 in women's tennis, she was facing two big issues. And that was Simona's massive 34 double D breast size. Due to big sizes, she was facing huge problem in running between the play properly. She was not even

able to play back hand smoothly. Soon she realized that if she want to become champion in tennis player, Jesus criminy, then she have to sacrifice her god-given breast side whoever who took that picture that you know they're gonna burn in hell who is this hello hey oh yeah we're totally good. Okay. Okay. Everything's good? Yeah, I'm in Palm Lava, Shad Shana Ghan. Alright, I'll be there in a second. Okay, take your time. No, the good doctor is calling.

Guys, Simona decided to undergo breast reduction surgery, reducing her size to 34C. You're telling me she couldn't have won Wimbledon and unless she did that it's pretty crazy to win Wimbledon that AI voice sounds smarter than John Young that AI voice is pretty funny huh it's like talking to one of my foreign relatives just leaving out all sorts of words wrong verb tense oh then she popped for PEDs like two years later no shit yeah tennis is so gay but it's and not but and it's so awesome tennis is so

awesome god tennis is so once you know a little bit about it. It's crazy. It is a crazy sport It is a crazy crazy sport I Can't believe she won Wimbledon that's badass There's like a there's like a circus component to tennis. Because it's so ridiculous what they do with the racket and the ball. How hard they hit it and the precision. It's crazy. I live 10 minutes from Wimbledon. What are you talking about ten minutes from Wimbledon?

You live on a fucking island in the middle of nowhere, don't you? That's how I picture it But this old thing or she could have left her titties and just played pickleball No Christine did your friend regret getting her titties chopped off? What PED did she pop for? Like EPO or something? Sevan can't read. Oh, lived. L lived. Hold on. Did you really say lived? Whatever. That was another thing yesterday in Lauren's podcast. Towards the end, like the chat was getting pretty

loud and she was like freaking out like she was getting overwhelmed and there were just like 14 people in the chat. I was like Jesus. She reminded me of like a little kid with like a butterfly net like a three year old trying to catch a butterfly but like just fucking had no chance. It was pretty it was it was cute. It was funny. Oh that thank you Adam for the precision in the statement. Sevan can't can read he can't read well. Sevan can't uh can read he can't read well

Sevan can't read he can read well Sevan can read he can't read well fucking I see what you did there Yo, yo Lighting good or you want it brighter? No, you look great, dude Good, you look like a distinguished Armenian gentleman That's the farthest from the truth. Actually, believe it or not, it's the farthest from the truth.

Everything's good? Yeah, I was just looking at this story. I started the morning looking at this story. Do you know about this lady? This is probably not what you thought you were going to come on here and talk about for a second. Simona Hallepp, do you know who that is? I have no clue who that is.

No. Okay. Okay. Listen to this. 2008. Simona Hallepp had made it to the top 200 in women's tennis, but to achieve grand slam and get into top 50 in women's tennis, she was facing two big issues. And that was Simona's massive 34 double D breast size.

Due to big sizes, she was facingona's massive 34 double D breast size. The big sizes she was facing huge problem and running between the play properly. She was not even able to doesn't it sound like one of Armenian relatives the AI the way it's like the verb tense is all fucked up. Two massive problems she run between playback and smoothly. Soon she realized that if she wants to become champion intent if she wants to become champion, the AI is like some like Armenian immigrant. This player, she have to sacrifice her God given breast size. Simona decided to undergo breast reduction surgery, reducing her size. This difficult decision proved to be a turning point in her career.

Over the next five years, Simona Halep gradually ranking up in tennis. Nine years after the surgery in 2018, she achieved her dream by winning the French Open and very next year 2019, she won Wimbledon Championship. What are your views? Comment down. She won the French Open in Wimbledon. Yeah. I don't know how I have mixed feelings man. Brother, I've been mourning all my I got this so much I saw this on Instagram 30 minutes

ago and I've been just struggling really. I need it. I thought I should call a shrink. Yeah, no, I mean, you know, it's like, okay, she can do whatever she wants. But there's like this whole fucking industry chopping off boobs. I understand she wants it, you know, I don't know how hopefully we're not recording right now. Oh no, we are. No, no, we are. Oh, fuck man.

The show's been live for 20 minutes, buddy. Every morning, 7am. I'm a little Armenian man. Oh, fuck me. Alright, sorry. Okay. So this is, you know, like it's, it's, this is the problem, right? I have two sides to the coin. If that's my daughter and my daughter or my sister, or like just a fellow human was like, I want to do this to advance my sporting prowess. But then the other part of me is like, you know, why, like it's your body, you're, you know, you're like, do you really want to do that? Like there's a human part of me that's like, why are you putting yourself through that?

Why are you putting your body through that? You know, for what? Like, you know, to, to, to win, you know, to go from like 50th in the world to like the top, you know, one in the world for like a year. And then I will say this winning Wimbledon is crazy. Winning the French open and Wimbledon is crazy. Winning the French Open and Wimbledon is crazy. I mean, the competition in tennis is nuts. It is a really hard sport. I get it.

But I mean, we're like, like venturing into altering ourselves, right? And, you know, there, there was, you know, there was a, uh, which, which I think is just, it's, um, it's, it's, it's, I don't know. It doesn't sit well with me. I can't, I haven't formulated my full opinion yet, but there's something about it. That's like, I mean, gosh, I can imagine being that being my sister and me saying like, don't, don't do this to your body. Like for what, for a sport, you know, um,

I don't know, you know, but like the other part of me is like, if she wants it, let her go do whatever she wants. Right. Of course. I, I, yeah. Hey, I got a question about fat cells really quick for you. Let's do it. Are you born?

Is everyone from my, one of my friends got bariatric surgery, not bariatric surgery. Oh yeah. Uh, no. One of my friends had, after he lost a toniatric surgery. Oh, yeah. Uh, no one of my friends had after he lost a ton of weight Had his skin cut off and then he gained the weight back And through this process, sorry, man And then the and the fat started attaching to his organs and through that is I think I discovered this and you tell me if this Is right. We're all born with a certain amount of fat cells. So let's say you have a hundred And if you chop off 50 of them, then your body still has

to sort of store fat, but it's only can do it in those 50. So so your body can make new fat cells, there are some like epigenetic chemical signals where your fat cells will divide. So first of all, let me introduce myself to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Okay, so there's somebody out here listening. My name is Troy Collision. I'm a physician.

I am a board certified in internal medicine and obesity medicine. And those honestly, in my opinion are fairly meaningless. Let's see, what's my biggest proudest thing? You know, I was chief resident in Yale and despite being on the 90th percentile of my board exam, meaning like the top 10% on what it took to be a doctor, I was a 350 pound doctor. You could see it in the picture there that Sevan's got on the, I was a 350 pound board certified doctor and I didn't know how to be healthy.

Right. I didn't know how to be healthy. They never taught me, despite being chief resident at Yale, they, they really didn't teach me. And I went into medicine, watching my mom suffer really all throughout my life, going to Weight Watchers with her, being a fat kid, you know, and having a whole family that's just struggled with obesity. I wanted to change that for my family, for myself, and that's what brought me to medicine. And I found myself 350 pounds. I went through all their curriculums. They didn't teach me how to get healthy. I had to teach myself. And so I lost 150 pounds, I've kept it off. And for 10 years, and I have a nationwide medical practice where I help

people lose weight. And now I help companies lose weight. Sevan, you got to get this. Companies come to me now and say, Trow, we've seen your studies showing that you're able to decrease the cost of medications. We can't afford all the diabetes medications that are on our health plans. Can you help our employees, the people who want to make a change? And so now employers come to me, they pay me, their employees get our service for free, our telemedicine weight loss service, they get a health coach, a trainer, and our app and our remote monitoring.

And I am able to, on average, help people lose 50 pounds at a year, 48 pounds at a year, and keep it off. And they don't even have to pay. The employees don't even have to pay. The company pays for it because we save them money on drugs. Their employees no longer need our patients. They no longer need those medications. So that's my thing for your listeners.

And I'll quiet down now. And superficially speaking Thank you for doing that by the way and superficially speaking you like you said you um, you had in front of you a very lucrative medical career that could have made uh, uh, uh turned you into an atm machine money pouring in and you put it all on the line And invested all of your money and time and resources into and took a massive pay cut pivoting to a model that you know would work and has and actually would improve people's quality of life. So instead of helping them met being a docent of death and managing their sickness until they died, you you've pivoted to helping cure people.

Well, let me add a pretty severe cost to yourself financially. A huge cost. My wife just, you know, my wife's an attorney. She's awesome. She's great. She crunched the numbers. She's like, one, if you would have done UPS, being a UPS truck driver instead of going to medical school,

you would have made more money. She mapped it out for me on an Excel spreadsheet. Wow. And then, so there's that. And she mapped out, I would have had a net worth almost triple what I am had I stayed in the Yale system. For the first five years, I didn't take a salary. I'm not taking a salary this year.

I cut my salary. But I have an amazing team. I mean, we have 15 people. We have two docs. We have four health coaches. we've got a personal trainer. I mean, we have an all-star team. Every single person on our team has lost weight and kept it off the right, you know,

I don't wanna say the right way, but you know, the without drugs, without surgery, and it's not like we don't use drugs. I mean, sometimes we do in very severe cases, it's not like we don't use drugs. I mean, sometimes we do in very severe cases. It's not like we don't recommend surgery. Sometimes we do when it's like the last option, but we are, you know, everybody, every doctor out there says,

if you fail lifestyle and diet, right? We are like the pinnacle of lifestyle and diet, right? We are using CGMs to track people. We're using scales, blood pressure cuffs, tracking things in real time. We are seeing what happens in real time with our blood fluctuations, texting them, how can we help you?

You know, we saw a blood sugar fluctuation at seven o'clock. You know, what did you eat? Let's review it, let's go over it. Let's talk about this together. You know, if there's late night eating, emotional eating, we're able to dress those things. So we are diet and lifestyle. And I'm proud of my results. One last thing. No, go, go, go, go. I've never signed a contract with a medical insurance company. Excuse my language, fuck them. Okay, never. I have left Medicare completely.

I do not accept any money from insurance. And I'll tell you why. They will corrupt the way you think. Because if I'm taking money from a third party, I'm no longer thinking about the person in front of me. I'm thinking about your insurance and what they're going to pay me for. So I have done this, we have grown this practice, right without ever taking a cent from a medical

insurance company, because they are truly, truly corrupt entities, right? Truly corrupt. They, if I took that money, right? If I took the money, they would have incentivized me to give you medications. They would have incentivized me to give you jabs you didn't need. Am I allowed to say that? I don't know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would have incentivized me to see you quickly and not address your problems and just bring you back. So we made a decision. I made a decision on day one, no corrupting force between me and my patient. I have never taken a cent from Pharma, never. Not a pen, not a meal, nothing. I have not taken one cent from any supplement company,

any food company, any company. When they say give me a gift, we want you to come speak, blah, blah food company, any company, when they say give me a gift, you know, we want you to come speak, blah, blah, blah, here's money, I'm like, go donate it. Go donate it. Don't give it to me. Right? So I just want to like put it out. That's how insane I am, Sevan. When you when you said CGM, that's constant glucose monitor, right? Yes, yeah, that's a continuous glucose monitor. You put it on, yep, yeah, you got it. You put it on and it's great. If you have diabetes, every single person should be on it.

You can buy it from our website for 50 bucks, which is the cheapest place you could find it nationwide. Okay, $50, you can get a continuous glucose monitor from our app, the Torrid Health app or our website, torrid.health or drtrow.com. So yeah, it's awesome. If you're stressed out, you're going to see that blood sugar

go up from all the stress hormones, you're going to see it come tanking down, and you're going to finally start to realize, why am I hungry after I'm stressed stressed out if you're eating, you know a bunch of nutrigrain bars and whole grain this and you know plant-based that Right and you see the blood sugar go up and then you see it come back down When that blood sugar comes tanking down it makes you more hungry So when you start to close the loop on what's going on in your life

and why you're primed to go eat the crap that's out there, that's when real change happens, when you're empowered with more info. Where is this blood glucose monitor on your site? Yeah, go to the Toward Health app right there on the nav and then hit yeah, go right there and order biofeedback products right there the first one We got a CGM. It's 55 bucks. It looks like my manager raised it five dollars because we were offering too cheap So what do I do I just I put that sticker on me and then Bluetooth that thing to my phone Yes, so it does have Bluetooth a lot of people don't like that, you know You know, they don't like that. They don't like wear on a Bluetooth device. So that is a little, if you don't need this,

if you don't have pre-diabetes, diabetes, obesity, you don't need this. But it's a really cool device. That device is a ambitory blood pressure monitor. It's an optical blood pressure monitor. You put it right here on your chest and it gives you your blood pressure for 24 hours. Right, again, if you're healthy,

you don't really need these things. But if you have blood pressure on blood pressure medications and you're like, let's come off this stuff, it's a great tool and we got a sleep study. If you wanted to do a sleep study at home, you could just boom, click it you know, we make it easy Nationwide I want I've always wanted to try one of these glucose monitors. I'm gonna try this I just want to see like I want to see all the things that happens like, you know, like

Getting up in the middle of the night and peeing if that does anything exercise sex Staying up late like I want to see all those. So it's, it's tough to close a loop on all of those, but if you stay up late or have disturbed sleep the next day, on average, your morning blood glucose will be higher, which means your drop, uh, you know, that happens after that morning rise will be greater. So if you get a crappy night's sleep, lo and behold, why is it that I'm hungry the next

day? Well, your blood sugar is dropping more rapidly, more quickly. Stress, exercise, sex, they'll all will raise it. You know, they'll all raise your blood glucose. And you talk on one of your posts on Instagram, you talk about the hidden sugars. Like if you have this thing on, you'll start eating things that you thought had no sugar in them, or wouldn't give you a spike, and you'll be like, oh shit, that thing has sugar in it.

Yeah, every, I mean, you know, you know this, because you've just been in the health and wellness space for a long time, but every restaurant out there, first of all, you know, there's this big thing with seed oils, everybody's like, talking about seed oils now. When you go eat foods, it doesn't even have to have a lot of sugar, but if it has seed oils and a little bit of sugar, it's going to potentiate

your glucose rise. So you just start to pay attention to these things. If you're going to a restaurant and you're like, oh, you know, you go to a, I don't know, let's say Chinese restaurant and you're like, give me the chicken, no sauce. Well, you didn't realize they're injecting dextrose and flour into that chicken. Right. So they're like to make it, you know, juicy and plumpy and whatnot. Uh, you didn't realize that in the, you know, brown rice or white rice that they, they oftentimes they cook it in like sugar water to make it a little bit more sticky. So, um, you start to like, you know,

our food environment is very malignant. It's a malicious, malignant food environment. And it's tough because when you tell people that, you know, they just wanna like go enjoy their life and eat what they're gonna eat and enjoy the birthday and this and that. And when you step back and you're like, no, like this isn't normal, These foods aren't normal.

You shouldn't. Gala number five and red 40 is not like a, you know, you're not depriving your kids by taking these things out of their diet. Um, but yeah, the glucose can start to open your eyes. It's like one part of that path. I was at the dog. The last time I went to the doctor I can't remember I was there a couple years ago and it was Kaiser and it was I mean it is truly a joke but I walked in there and when I was leaving the then he's like, he tells the nurse, get him the blah, blah, blah, and blah, blah, blah shot. I couldn't even remember. I'm like, I don't need those. He's like, oh no, they're free. That was his response. And then I said, but why would I want that?

And he said, well, because they're free. He like, he wasn't like, dude, you gotta get this. There's a serious case of blah, blah, blah breaking out and you better get updated on your, and he just kept saying, because they're free. I'm like, hey dude, no, thank you. That and that goes back to your Medicare Medicaid thing that and you know what else that made me realize that's that must work on 99 out of 100 people. It's free. And because he's in the authoritarian position. And he's so he they're

like cops, you know how cops, poor cops only get called to, like, you don't get called to a little kid's birthday party to celebrate, it's always like, you're coming to fucking address some scumbag beating his wife. That, I mean, he's just used to dealing with idiots. And the whole, when you go to Kaiser, it doesn't even look like they treat people like me.

It's like it's like I pulled my beauty. It's like I pulled my Toyota truck into a Ferrari dealership or vice versa. I pulled my Ferrari into a Toyota dealership. Like no one in the waiting room looks like me. Nobody. Yeah. So like you're touching on something here that's I mean, I could talk for hours about this.

So you know, I got stories that I can tell you, man. I don't know. What's your one? You know? Okay. So, so I'm an intern. Okay. Like how deep do you want to go?

As deep as you want. I mean, I could stay superficial and say that guy's paid a salary. He's incentivized to pay you to do quality metrics Which means offer, you know the flu and the pneumonia shot, right? Oh, yeah, that's what it was. You're right You nailed it. It was like some flu shit. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I could like so it makes sense, right? So that's like just like telling you okay. He's incentivized. He thinks he's doing something So he's also like a little bit of a robot He's been told that this is the right thing and we need to do it and you all need to do

it and so he's a little bit of a robot. I don't think he actually knows. He probably didn't even read the studies for the flu shot. He probably hasn't read the studies for the pneumonia shot and he's just sort of like trusting the system and going along, right? Dr. Justin Marchegiani... Let me throw this in there, Dr. Tro. When I asked him about autophagy, he

had never heard of it. I said, you never heard of that? He goes, no. I said, okay, listen, don't worry about fasting. That's all nonsense. I'm going to give you a printout from Kaiser on how to be healthy. And one of the first things on there was to cook with canola oil. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Can you send me that pa— can you send me the printout? Evan Brand I swear to f***, if I have it somewhere. I will yeah, I swear cook with canola oil Okay, sorry, so go on so so I hear you so incentivize robot autopilot So yeah, I can't blame him But like I'd imagine if you had like chest pain and like he would be great

You know because like he's just he's not paid to think he's is you so you're going so if you expect he's not paid to think he's, he's you. So you're going, so if you expect to have somebody to think you have to make sure that they're incentivized to think and he's not incentivized to think. Right. So he's just doing a good job. He's a good boy, you know, good boy. Right. Um, but you have to like sort of understand how this all started. And it depends on how far you want to go back. But you can go back to the problem with this started when first, the first step was when the liability was taken away from the vaccine manufacturers.

So that's step one, right? So the government and the doctors at the time, they were like, we need to expand vaccine use. We don't want outbreaks, blah, blah, blah. It may have been a noble lie at the time. It may have just been like, Hey, we think that this is right. It's unclear. They said, we're not going to penalize the manufacturers of vaccines because they were all like, we're not going to do it. Right. The 76 swine flu vaccine caused 5,000 lethal cases of Guillain-Barre and maybe 100 deaths. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Wow.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani Right? 20% of the population took it. I mean, this is like not, I'm not, you can look this up, type 76 flu. So, so uhm– Dr. Justin Marchegiani That's the paralysis of the face that you—that yambere thing? Okay. Dr. David Jockers... It starts in the face, goes down to the body, you can't breathe. Sometime you could die. Uh—it could be treated. You know, you need plasmapheresis. Actually, at the time, there was no—there was like the shortage of dialysis machines because the treatment for yambere is filter the body of antibodies that are basically attacking the system.

There was a shortage of machines at the time, the dialysis machines, because that's how it was treated, you know, because there were so many paralyzed people from this vaccine. 30% of the US took up this vaccine and they all kind of got screwed. So they pulled the vaccine. But so people were like hesitant to do vaccines because like plus or minus, you know, episodes like this. And the government said we're going to take away their liability. And so that was step one, right? So step one was the drug manufacturers no longer liable.

Step two was, you know, the drug companies started to use a revolving door at the regulators, the CDC, the ACIP. They started to, you know, hire people from those entities. And then once they're done there, they go back into the government and vice versa. That was step two, right? And so then they approve products with very little data, right? Very like they don't have great long-term control trial data for a lot of the vaccines that are scheduled. Some of them they do. Many of them they don't, right?

So the level of data needed to approve these things is very low. So this is like setting the stage, 80s, 90s, 2000s. So the amount of drugs being approved is going, the vaccines being approved goes up and up. I go to med school in 2007, and by the time I get out in 2011, there's already talk of CMS, the Center of Medicaid Services, right? So they are already, like this is the huge entity that decides how hospitals and doctors get paid

by Medicare, it like sets a standard, right? So CMS then is saying, well, wait a second, we have these vaccines and we wanna make sure hospitals are doing the best they can for their patients, why aren't they asking if their patients are getting vaccinated? So they said to every hospital, if you want to get paid from us, you want to get paid as much, you need to report how many of your patients have the flu shot and have the pneumonia shot and have all their shots. And if you don't, right, actually,

first they said, we're just going to make it a requirement. So it's a requirement. And this came out of the swine flu in 2008 or 2009, whenever that was. Everybody was scared. So CMS said the hospitals have to find out who's vaccinated and who's not. Then the next year they said, if you don't report that to us, we're going to penalize you. So 2009, 2010, they're like, we're going to pay you less if you don't report that to us, we're going to penalize you. Right. So 2009, 2010, they're like, we're going to pay you less if you don't report it. And then the following

give me, get a distinction here. If you don't report it or if people aren't taking it, if you don't report it. Well, and then why you, so you, you're, you're, you're, you can anticipate the future the next year. That's what they said. If you don't have a 90% vaccination rate, we're going to pay you less. So, so that's what's happening, right? In that time. And then the next year after that, you know, right around that time, they say, wait a second, we're making them do this for patients. What about for healthcare workers? So, so at that time, they said, if you don't report your healthcare worker vaccination rate, we're going to penalize you. Those are the people who work in the hospital.

Doctors, nurses, right? And this is when the bullshit really became thing because there was these aggressive campaigns to vaccinate doctors and nurses. So that's 2010 or 2011, right around that time. And then by 2012 or 2011, they said, we're going to penalize you if you don't have 90% of your staff vaccinated. And that's when the hospital systems across the United States took away the personal exemption. Right? There was a personal exemption.

You could just say, I don't want the vaccine or whatever. So they left most people with two avenues, which is a medical exemption, meaning you had Giambray in the past, right? Or a religious exemption. And so this is like the story of like how we got here. Right? And it's a cluster, it's a cluster mess. Then, you know, over the last 10 years, as more vaccines are being approved, and more stuff's being approved, they've incentivized, you know, we and we saw this during the COVID pandemic, you know, a vaccine came out very limited, you know, no long term data, really, and they incentivize docs to to take this up, right, to really promote it. So the whole machine was in place and ready to sort of get everybody to deploy this COVID vaccine. And the docs weren't thinking, they're already not paying attention to the trial data and how flimsy it is. The regulators have no, the regulators are already bought and sold.

The pharma companies already, they know how to milk the system, right? And the people are used to being told for 15 years, take your vaccine, take your vaccine, take your vaccine. Right? So it was like a perfect storm to just screw, screw everybody really. And I'm not sure anybody tried,

right? But I think it, you know, like, I don't know, probably some people were like, we're trying to make money, right? I don't think the average doctor was trying to screw anybody. I just don't, they just didn't see, they can't put the plot together, right? They don't understand these things that maybe you and I understand. So that's like the story of all of it. And, and, and they're very defensive, right? They go straight to name calling your bat shit crazy. Um, you, you know, you, you ask anyone, uh, uh, you know, the big thing is now is I'm just against the COVID vaccine. I'm totally fine with the polio vaccine.

Like they're trying to build a hedge against that. And then you're like, well, have you done any research on the polio vaccine? Have you read? It's not so great. That's how I was. Yeah. That's how I was. Yeah.

I knew, I knew the polio vaccine. So I knew the polio vaccine, like initially was not great. Right. And then, you know, but like now after COVID and after- You could just go to the wiki page, by the way. That's how you know they haven't done any research. There's enough things in the wiki page where you're like, uh, maybe I should look into this a little more. Well, yes, yes and no. So, so like most of those pages have been scrubbed. I don't know. I'll go check it. But, but, um-

I mean, there's hints. There's hints. Like the first vaccine was pulled off after like a year and a half. Exactly. And that should make you be like, Oh, what happened there? Yeah, they were using live vaccines. More people getting paralyzed from I mean, it's a shit show. And at this point, I've gone deep enough to say, it's a fucking house of cards. It's really a house of cards. There are some there are some really strong ones Like, you know, there's three year follow-up data for the new shingles vaccine.

There's three year placebo controlled follow-up data for the new pneumonia vaccine. Um, they actually finally did. So there's been two double blind, truly placebo controlled trials using the flu shot. One was done by the Bill and Melinda Gates. One was done by a consortium of cardiologists. The one done by Bill and Melinda Gates really didn't show much of anything. They gave it to pregnant women and it really didn't reduce any mortality after vaccinating a thousand women with the flu shot. It didn't really do much other than maybe a couple of cases of flu It didn't improve the kids mortality, which is the idea of giving the shot to every pregnant person

So they really disproved that and they did it in HIV women and normal and women without HIV So like even in the most immunocompromised it really didn't do much So like even in the most immunocompromised, it really didn't do much. Interestingly, the flu shot in people who've had a heart attack, they demonstrated a mortality benefit, which is a huge hurdle. So like, don't think if you're listening to this and you're like, well, you know, Sevan's got another anti-vaxxer. I like sit down and I go through the data. I'd like, I just try to like, I'm done being the robo doc

saying, well, the polio vaccine, you know, I'm like, I have to look at the data before I come up, because I've been burned so many times. So the flu shot has in people who have had a heart attack has been shown to decrease mortality, it was like 50 people they needed to give a flu shot to to decrease mortality. Now, I'm not saying if you have had a heart attack or bypass to go get the flu shot, I'm just saying that's the strongest data that exists right now. And it's not terrible data. I mean, like it's hard to do that. And it wasn't a pharma trial. So I don't wanna shit on all vaccines and I just wanna shit on doctors and the regulatory capture, right?

Doctors, the authoritarian shithead doctors you're talking about, that just pretend they know what they're saying and don't maybe really know. And I was that doctor then, so I'm not like talking about myself too. And I want to shit on that regulatory capture that's just made it so pharma wins, the regulatory, you know, the regulators win because they go back and work for pharma for high paid jobs and get royalties and blah blah blah and the people losing are the people.

Right? So that's I think the tragedy in the in the in the situation. But um there are some incredible stats with doctors like I'll give you this one I'm just making this up by the way. Don't tell anyone. If you get your leg chopped off and you see a doctor you have a hundred percent survival rate. If you don't get to a doctor, you die, 100%. So, I mean, there is some good, just to piggyback on what you're saying, it's not to just shit on doctors, but there should be some red flags if someone's asking you to take drugs and you're pregnant with a baby.

You should think twice before sticking a needle in your body and injecting something if you have a baby or anytime a doctor. I was listening to a podcast you did and I really liked this and the guy, I wouldn't say he was trying to corner you into saying that statins were bad, but you were like, hey man, if I have a client with high cholesterol, I lay the whole thing out for him. I do the math for them. I show them that this many people who've taken this drug get this result It's these are the risks and you lay it out for them so that they can see it You're not like hey, I'm against statins or I'm for statins you lay it out for them

But the whole the whole thing and I really like that. I've never heard of a doctor doing that Yeah, so so it really should be done by everybody and it's it and it's easy to do. So statins are like, nobody likes them. But they sell like hotcakes. Yeah, they do sell like hotcakes and there's just a lot of history there too to sort of figure out how we got here, right? How do we get here, right? How do we get here, right? I mean, you can go into the fact that Pharma hit a lot of trials

before 2007, and only published the positive ones. You can, they sort of didn't, they told people that it's going to reduce their chance of heart attack or stroke by 40%. But they were talking about relative risk, when the absolute risk is like, you know, a fraction of a percent. So, you know, the way I like to do it is like, look,

okay, let's figure out what's the chances of you dying of a heart attack, right? Or a stroke, right? And we can calculate that risk pretty well. There's like three or four ways. You can do the European way. You can do the cardiac imagers way. You can do the AHA ACC way. And you can compare and contrast. You can say, Okay, what's Savon's chances of dying from a heart attack,

right? Like in the next 10 years, right? And then you can go to the harshest graders. So Maryann Demasi, if you guys aren't following her, follow her. She's awesome. She did a meta analysis on statins and she published it in 2021. And she said, look, all comers, the relative risk reduction was 19% for a heart attack. And she's like the harshest critic of statins. So you can, So you can, and the most lenient critics, the most sort of like the authoritarians when it comes to statins will say it's a 40 to 50% risk reduction with statins, right? So, okay, if my risk is 5% in the next 10 years, like I would never even think about a drug.

Like I'm not gonna take a drug every day that has a chance of causing insulin resistance, it causes muscle aches, liver injury, I mean, cognitive impairment, like I'm not gonna even mess with it. You know, if you have had a heart attack before, if you had a stroke before, if you're like, if you have a ton of you did a coronary artery calcium scan or a CLEARly scan, the cool AI heart, you know,

scans that we do on our patients. And you see that there's pipes are clogged. I mean, look, I don't go take Drano and I just pour it down my pipes just because. Right. Right? But if I got a problem, I use Drano. I know Drano can fuck up my pipes. If I leave it in there, it's going to eat the whole pipe straight through.

It's an acid. It's going to burn through that shit. But I still, even though it harms, I still use it. Right? So this is like the way we have to view drugs. It's like, look, it depends on you. You know, and the problem is,, is Robo docs are the problem. They can't, they can't think what is this doing?

They can't think who is the person in front of me. They can't think in that way. It's just like, here's a number, give a drug, move on. Right. Like it's not, Hey, this drug hardens plaques, calcifies plaques, decreases plaque volume, but it depletes K2. It depletes CoQ10, causes insulin resistance, right? Causes muscle aches, causes liver issues. It may result in in cognitive impairment. We may want to choose one that doesn't go to the brain, right? That doesn't cross the blood brain barrier. We might want to choose one that remains below the blood brain barrier. I mean, it's like it's simple, but it's not, right?

It's simple, but it's not, right? Like if, you know, I've been afforded by my patients, thank you to all my patients, they've afforded me, they pay me to think. I am paid to care for their health. I'm paid to come up with the best plan for them. And most stocks aren't, they're paid by an insurance company

right so so and this is the whole thing everybody is like doesn't know what to make of this vigilante right now and and you know who went and shot the United Healthcare CEO they don't they you know some people are like we love him and other people are like how could he possibly do that this is a father you know somebody who came from nothing, right? And nobody deserves that. And the whole country is like, they're at this crisis point because they don't know what to make of it. And I'm going to be honest with you right now. The problem is the insurance and the doctors, right? That's the problem. It's not the system. The root of the problem is if I take money from your insurance, you are not my customer. The insurance company is the customer. that's where this all comes down to. And we have to have the eye and the prize, right?

It's a lemming doctor and a nefarious sort of, semi-nefarious company that cares about a bottom line. And that's what's in between you and great care. It's a doctor answering to a calculator. It's a doctor answering to a calculator. It's a doctor answering to a truly obstructive force in healthcare. That's a really clean way to look at it. It's not the patient isn't their client. It's the insurance company.

They're working for the insurance company. Yeah. Yeah. You're just the vessel. Yeah. You're just the vessel that's bringing the insurance money. Yeah. Yeah. You're just the vessel. Yeah, you're just you're just the vessel that's bringing the insurance money. Right. So the incentives aren't aligned. Hey, I want to go back to something you said earlier about seed oils by themselves, if I understood correctly,

aren't so bad for you. But if you make if they're mixed with sugar, that's where no, no, no, no, no, no, definitely. They're worse. They potentiate carbohydrate. They potentiate. So, so they put like they decrease acutely. They don't give you a GLP release, right? They inhibit your GLP release. So if you have lard, tallow, even olive oil, right, or avocado oil, you'll get a ton of GLP release naturally, right? Like, What is that? What is GLP release? GLP is like a hormone that GLP released naturally, right? Like, naturally. Dr. Justin Marchegiani... And what is that? What is GLP release?

Dr. Justin Marchegiani... GLP is like a hormone that is the ozempic hormone, right? You can– you have this hormone in you, your body releases it, and if you have fat and protein alone, you'll get a ton of GLP release. You will not ever get that– a lot of GLP from any of the seed oils. Dr. Justin Marchegiani... Okay. Dr. Justin Marchegiani. You do not get it. So, and what that hormone does is it helps

process sugar more efficiently. And so when you combine carbs and fat, you actually decrease GLP as an aggregate. But the seed oils alone do not release GLP, they do not release this hormone. They do not release this hormone. They make you hungrier. They truly make you hunger. And I mean, like there's a whole body of data.

We have data. People have been given heart attacks. They are more likely to die with corn oil. We know that these things cause insulin resistance. The science is not completely settled, But I'm going to tell you, I have not had a seed oil in seven years. That that's amazing. So so basically, seed oil start the fire and in sugars, gasoline, if you get the same time sugars just gasoline on it. Yep. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's actually a perfect way to sort of sum it up, you know They're they're they're worse in combination and they're bad on their own, you know, like they're worse in combination

meaning french fries at McDonald's are just like the probably the worst thing you could eat because there's got to be sugar in them and you know It's just all seed oil. Yeah, it's seed oil and it's and look the potatoes that they're They're they're monocrop potatoes. There's no nutrients, right? And these aren't your grandma's potatoes guys. Like look, I know everybody wants to like include quote unquote natural foods, but we, as a society, we have to lower carbohydrates in aggregate and process carbohydrates most

importantly and sugar most importantly. But you know, you can't, you can't like people can't mainline potatoes like you can. You have a high training volume. I see your kids, you know, they got a high training volume. I'm sure like a bit of potato is fine for them and fine for you. Right? Like, but you like you said, you go to Kaiser, you're not everybody, right? So I know people out there that hear this, all the bodybuilders, the CrossFitters,

the paleo people, they include a bit of potato. You guys are exceptions. You know, you guys are like the minority, right? Like, do you just say that because you don't want to fight with them, but you still know they're wrong anyway? No, no, I don't think, I don't think carbohydrate inclusion is, I don't think carbohydrate inclusion is like a, like, look, there's no way we were not evolved to process this, just not at the degree it's like the dose makes the poison, you know, we have ways of metabolizing alcohol, right?

But I don't think we were meant to handle as much carbohydrates as the modern world has. Now, if you're starving and there's a fucking potato, I think that that's like, it's not a harm, right? Right, if you're, so I don't know if that makes sense. What about going in my backyard? I'll be in my back. It's not uncommon for me to be in my backyard. Pick five tangerines and you know, 50 cherry tomatoes. I'll be in the yard for two hours just you know, messing around, you know, cleaning up, chopping wood, whatever,

you know what I mean? By chopping, I mean little grandma clippers, not knives. And I heard you say that you don't even eat tans. You haven't had an orange in some amount of years or something recently. Look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be super. I won't take offense either. You know, I don't. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's, it really depends on the person and the result, right? I think most people, right, have some component of metabolic syndrome, right? It's like 90%. Right? So metabolic syndrome is basically energy plus carbohydrates, it's carbohydrate excess, right? It's truly carbohydrate excess. So 90% of our society has some sign of carbohydrate toxicity.

Right? So when you say like, you know, it's the same way like you want to view the statin, right? Like most people shouldn't take it. Maybe some people should consider it. Right? It's the same thing take it. Maybe some people, some people should consider it. Right. It's the same thing with the freaking tangerine. Now is the tangerine better than the fucking Snickers bar? That's easy. It's a layup, right? That's a layup. It's so easy to, to just do that.

Right. But you know, for you particularly, I mean, you've been weight stable. I'm sure your Trigs are low. I'm sure your HDL is high. You probably have no issues with blood pressure. Your body probably puts that to use right away. I mean, you've been weight stable. I'm sure your trigs are low. I'm sure your HDL is high. You probably have no issues with blood pressure. Your body probably puts that to use right away. I mean, you know, it's like locally grown so you know your soil is not like monocropped and depleted. I mean, you know, like so– Dr. Justin Marchegiani My yard– my yard is full of fruit trees.

And anytime I get into these conversations with people, I'm like, oh, god, what have I done to myself? I should have got chickens. I mean, I have a hundred fruit trees and anytime I get into these conversations with people, I'm like, Oh God, what have I done to myself? I should have got chickens. I mean, I have a hundred fruit trees all year round. I can go outside and just put a big handful of sugar in my mouth. Yeah. I mean, like look at the end of the day, it's what's the result, right? Like you're the end of one, you know, how is your health?

Uh, I think chickens would be good. Just throw the chickens out there, man, you know, put a fence up and throw the chickens out there, you know, the fruit trees will love them too. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They're going to get they're going to poop there. You're going to have a whole new, you know, regenerative agriculture there. But, you know, so it's tough to say this, I'll tell you, we have studies showing that if you reduce your fruit consumption, that your fatty liver resolves, right, just reducing your fruit from five times a day to two times a day, right?

So, I mean, like, I don't know what to tell you. I think most people, you know, if you truly adopt a carb, a decreased carb environment, and you're really good about keeping your carbs low, can you, you know, process carbs? Can you include fruit? Probably, absolutely. You know, will it be a net negative or positive? I'm going to say it's probably a plus or minus. It's, it's, you know, user dependent. You know, uh, you're right. I haven't had an orange. I don't think I've had an orange in 10 years.

Yeah, that's, you know, some lemon, I'll do lemon and lime every now and then. I'll, I'll definitely do that. You know, berries, do you do berries? Yeah, I do berries. You know, I had a, I had a pineapple, a bite of pineapple for the first time in like maybe nine years, you know, the other day. Was it too sweet for you when you bit it? Were you like, Ooh, that's, Oh man, it was incredibly sweet. I was like, Holy crap.

Like this is, you know, this is crazy. Uh, it was very sweet. Um, yeah, but, but my kids eat fruit. My kids, you know, they're like, Oh, I'm like, Oh, I'm like, Oh, I'm like, holy crap, like this is, you know, this is crazy. Uh, it was very sweet. Um, yeah, but, but my kids eat fruit. My kids, you know, they got, we got a drawer full of tangerines and, you know, they eat it and they're all healthy. You know, by the time my son is, they're going to be 13. When I was 13, I was already 200 pounds.

So, uh, only five feet tall. Yeah. Yeah, correct. Yeah. He's only five feet tall. Yeah, yeah, correct. Yeah, he's about five. Yeah, five, one or five, two, or something like that. We were like the same height at the same age. And he's half my weight. Wow. fruit. Right? You know, what were you reading pop tarts and Ritz crackers and the Kepler elves boxes the Kepler elf shit? Yeah, I mean, like my parents both work. You know what it's like, man? you know, that's what I lived on too. I live,

you know, immigrant family is on my parents. So like we were a little bit beholden to school lunches, which is a disaster. Yeah. And we were beholden to, uh, cheese zombies. I love that day. Yeah. I mean, like we, you know, our parents would cook like once or twice a week and then we would try to eat the leftovers. But you know, it's, it was, it was a disaster, you know our parents would cook like once or twice a week, and then we were trying to eat the leftovers, but You know it was it was a disaster You know and I don't blame them. They didn't know any better. You know like this is all normal

You know they're like there must be something wrong with with our kids. They just keep eating you know They thought they were something wrong with us. They didn't know it was the food You know I want someone had a good question in here about ozempic. I want to find it. But basically they were saying what about if I'm fucking this up, someone retype it. But basically, the some sort of muscle depletion if you take ozempic that you have reduced it like it's bad for you. Wow, I can see how many comments are here. Holy crap. Uh, yes. Uh, there's evidence. So there, there's animal studies showing that it decreases the heart muscle. This came out. Oh, that's not within the last couple of weeks and there's data showing. So typically when you lose weight,

right? Using diet, right? So this is really critical. If you lose a ton of weight, you stop doing resistance training. I was 150 pounds heavier walking up the stairs was resistance training for me when I was 350 pounds. So when you lose weight, you're going to lose muscle because you're carrying around less, you're moving around with less, right? But the average weight of weight loss, like if you do it with diet and exercise, your muscle loss should be 10%. Right? 10% of your total loss should be lean mass. Right? And you can mitigate that. You can do rucking, you can do resistance training, you can do a lot of things to mitigate that. Right? So, so a typical, like a healthy way should have really less than 10% of, and like if you're really good doctor, really good

lifestyle approach, you could get under 10%. We've had people lose 150 pounds, no lean mass loss, right? No lean mass loss. Okay. So, so it can be done. If you look at bariatric surgery, the lean mass loss is roughly 20%. If I'm remembering literature, so which is like, it's, that's not great. It's setting you up for kind of failure. Your metabolism is going gonna slow down as the muscle last goes with When you when you do a zempic or manjaro, it's 40% lean mass loss Now it could that's fucking insane. You're telling me that I would get 40% weaker So yeah, it's not gonna be 40% weaker when So it's not going to be 40% weaker.

When you lose 100 pounds, 40% of that is muscle that's going to be going down. So it's going to be, if you had 40 pounds of muscle, it's going to be a lot of skeletal muscle mass going down. Most likely, there is some inherent signal causing some muscle loss with GLP. Okay? And the other thing is, is you know, the people who are getting this cannot address diet or do not want to address diet or have not been helped to address diet by their doctors. They got

a script in seven minutes and so they're just eating less of whatever they were eating. So the stuff, the key barrels and the tricks that we were reading as kids, they're just eating less of that and they're protein deficient. They're not exercising because, you know, if they're, you know, if they were able to do it, um, so, you know, they, they, they would have, uh, uh, you know, if they got, if they were inspired to do it with diet and lifestyle, or they, they, they had a team that can help them or, or at least use the drug with better care than just sort of going on it and not being given some help with food. It's malpractice.

Honestly, if you ask me, it's malpractice. Why is it malpractice? If you give this drug, you're going to cause muscle loss and there is a 40 to 50% rate of discontinuation within a year because of the nausea because of the side effects the GI stuff that happens right so so 40 to 50 percent will stop so when you've lost a ton of muscle and then you had a doctor that didn't help you maintain that muscle didn't help you teach you how to eat you you know, like, and you have to stop the med, you're going to gain it and then some and we see that in our clinic now all the time.

So, so the thing is, is that it's a, it's a, it's not a bad drug. If you look at that's a whole nother rabbit hole we can go into and maybe we'll come back and discuss it another time. If you look at the diabetes drugs, it's the best out of all of them. It's probably one of the two best diabetes drugs. So it's simultaneously an amazing drug and docs should consider it more than other drugs. And it's also a terrible drug that's malpractice if you don't actually help people, you know, use it sort of responsibly and give them a roadmap off of it or most people don't need it. We have a trial that we have a paper coming out within the next couple of months that shows you do not need it. We beat Ozempic. If Ozempic was tested versus our program, it wouldn't have been approved because our program matched the results of Ozempic at a year.

So it wouldn't have been approved. The drug would have been like, it's a dud. This is a dud. Right. I feel like Ozempic has fallen into the category of Viagra and Oxycontin where it's a, you can almost put it as a recreational drug, meaning you slightly different because, but, but people are taking it who don't need it. Right. Yeah. I, I, and again, that's the docs. It's slightly different because but but people are taking it who don't need it, right?

Yeah, I again that's the Doc's that's not the the Doc's don't know how to systematically help people Right. So you're beginning to put the picture here, right? they got seven minutes to see you because the insurance company is their client not you and They got seven minutes to see you. This is a thing that works better than other diabetes drugs. So just take this and see you later. Right. So again, the harm comes from docs and insurance companies being shitty. And you're not, it's not the doc in you, right? It's pharma and the insurance company between you and the doc. Right, so just if you keep that visual, I think that's the way I would go about it, you know? Vindicate, my brother has people at his gym

who have done Ozempic and he said every one of them has lost strength and muscle, didn't matter how much he told them not to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry that your brother has to see that. It's a it's it's a Christian. I'm still there's no there's no kickback here, Christian. I see that I hear this a lot. You know, there's very little very little times with docs and this drug. It's so widely prescribed now. You can look up your doctor, go to openpayments.gov.

OK, Christian, openpayments.gov. And you can see who's kicking back to your doctor. And you can see who's getting kicked back. And you can see who's getting kicked back. And you can see who's getting kicked back. And you can see who's getting kicked back. Openpayments.gov. Okay, Christian, Openpayments.gov. And you can see who's kicking back to your doc. Okay, it's Openpayments.gov.

Openpaymentsdata.cms.gov. Is that it? Yeah, oh yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. Okay. Hey, let me be clear. I have seen documentation and I felt like I've seen, not I feel I, and I've seen doctors that during COVID.

We're getting kicked back that if they reach a certain threshold and big kickback monster, monster kickback, like I know a doctor who got a new G wagon and a house in Costa Rica. And, uh, I was really surprised, but, um, and they gave thousands of shots. So the way they get, they give it to the practice. So that's correct. So they had incentives, but it wasn't from the far and foremost from insurance. Yeah.

And she had a big practice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It wasn't from, so the insurance company incentivized the doc again. So that's why I put okay in you So it wasn't like the insurance company was like we think this is gonna work promote it to your people It's it wasn't a direct payment if that makes sense It wasn't like so if you want to see there's no there's no kickbacks that I'm aware of Like that for Ozempic. In fact, they're so expensive, the insurance companies don't want to pay for them. So did you see in the UK that they were trying to pass a law to where if you were if you were unemployed and on unemployment there because and you were obese that they would

give you a $1,500 a month voucher for Ozempic. Did you see that? I don't know if it was specifically, but the weight loss drug that they were trying to make that a law. I did not, I did not see that, but that sounds terrible. But doesn't surprise, but doesn't surprise you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, or I don't know, maybe they're doing it through the Medicaid or whatever. I don't know. You know, it's a Medicaid or whatever. I don't know, you know It's a it's a it's a kind of a shit show right now medicine is a shit show a friend of mine And we'll come back to that in a second a friend of mine

Was telling me the other day a guy who's in great shape Strong dude great shape has a job where he's active non-stop And uh, he went to the doctor and the and you know His bmi was high and the doctor without even fucking saying the thing is like hey, we'd like to get you on some ozempic Not like what have you been eating? Can you exercise more? What do you think about? You know? Skipping lunch for the next you know month and come back and let me nothing like nothing Just straight to it and like I, in that seven minute visit. That's a welcome. I mean, it's, it's the same problem again and again, and we're seeing this now again and again. You know, it comes down to, you know, we've done a good job of getting Forma

a bit out of the straight payment to doctors and that's all public now. So you can go and see with the openpayments.cms.gov or whatever. Look it up. You can see if your doctor's getting paid and a lot of them are if you're on social media and you see a doctor saying just go look them up. Look them up and they're on the hook. Right? They're on they're getting payments. So a lot of influencers are paid by Pharma. A lot of dieticians get paid from the food companies. There was a whole big Washington Post article on that about a year and a half ago, two years ago by Anaheim O'Connor, a great journalist. So you can see the pharma influence with open payments. There are other ways that they can get around it.

So pharma will pay like a, like, like a not-for-profit, a patient advocacy group that will then contract with the physician. So there's a way, there's ways they hide it. Um, but predominantly you can go there and see it. But the biggest problem is the insurance company. They own your doc, right? So you just gotta pay. Everybody's gotta get used to paying for good care.

That's it. And make sure when you go pay for that care that they have results. Like I have published 10 papers because I'm like, if you're gonna come to me, like why the fuck should you come to me, if you're going to come to me, like why the fuck should you come to me? Right? Why should you come to me? Well, I'm going to put it at least through peer review.

So you can go see that a bunch of other lemming docs, you know, at least they're saying like this guy, what he says he's doing, he's doing. Right? So I submit my data. You know, we've shown triglycerides dropping from the hundreds down to to under 100, you know, thousand near thousands against the NLA recommendations. We've shown that diabetes can reverse with minimal weight loss. Weight loss certainly helps, but minimal weight loss just dropping carbohydrates. You know, we've we've shown that we're able to reduce

the 10 year cardiac risk while dropping weight with ketogenic diets in an employer setting, you know, and saving the company over $2,500 per year per employee in drugs they don't need. Okay, so we, I mean, we mentioned that they're happier and you have your better employees and 100% Yeah, that's all that's all the employers care about, by the way, they don't care about the money. They're like the money's a plus. So I keep publishing this because why should anybody believe me, you know, they could be like, he's

an anti vax, he's anti former, he's anti supplement, whatever they could lay on like, look, here's my fucking results. Go read my studies, because I don't care. You're lazy. I'm not. You're paid by insurance companies. I'm not. I'm going to publish my shit. I'm going to put it through peer review. So nobody has to fucking guess. You know what you're getting when you come to my office, right? You know what you're getting. And fuck all them, man. Just fuck all them. Sorry, excuse my language. You know, the thing is, is that that's who you are and that's not who they are.

They wake up in the morning, they put on their doctor's outfit and they become a doctor. And then when they go home, they take off their doctor's outfit and they're no longer a doctor. Do you know what I mean? Like this is who you are. And so anyone who threatens who they are,

they just have to attack. I don't know how many times RFK has said he's not anti-vax in the last six months. And every fucking article, I just saw another one come out yesterday from fucking PBS anti-vax how anti-vax or JFK or RFK's policies will affect you. And it's like, dude, all the guys asking for some fucking open studies. Yeah. Look, have you met RFK? Have you? No, no. Yeah, yeah. But but I've really learned to like him. I listened to him at

1.5 speed. And I've really learned before I just kind of didn't listen because it was my process. I just didn't have the patience to process it. But now I'm really digging him. Yeah, he's he's he needs to get confirmed. And I'm hoping that I can help him. I'm hoping that people who have been fighting this fight for a long time, Nina Teichelt absolutely needs to be in his cabinet. We need people like Marco Guzzella

who helped turn West Virginia sugar free. West Virginia University, he needs to be there. I'd be honored to sort of be there as well at that seat. The people from Virta Group need to be there. I met that guy a few times. I hung out with that guy a few times. What's his name, the guy, he used to own Trulia? Sam Inican.

Yeah, Sam. Yeah. Yeah. They all need to be at that seat at the table because we, I think this group has a strong vision for what we need to accomplish. And I think what we have to do really is take the grift out of. So what happens when an administration shifts like this is the grift comes in, right? Like the guy who's like, well, I got an HSA plan for you, just pump your money through me

and you can get, you know, cold plunges and green shakes through my HSA plan. We need to be very careful, right? You need to be very careful of your idols right now because the grift out there is immense. Like I- Define grift and that's kind of my concern about Nina, by the way too. I feel like she wants to work in the system

and I don't think that the system can be fixed. I think things whole sections, I think it needs to be torn down. Uh, no, no, I'll tell you, Nina is probably the most amazing person who can be in the DGA. Okay. Right. She is the most amazing person. She's, she, she, she's, she's going to change the food, the food, regular, correct. Okay. Okay. Nina tight shots. If you haven't listened to her book, go listen to her book. She's absolutely the most overwhelmingly best candidate

for that position. Okay. I mean, there's nobody else who exists that can reform the dietary guidelines in my opinion. You know, and this is... Yeah, but should the government have dietary guidelines? That's what I meant. So, so the- Should she work in the system? Should they have it? So, um, yeah, but should the government have dietary guidelines? That's what I meant. So, so the show work in the system should they, no, no, no.

So I mean, she, it's like, she, like, if we can't fix it, we should take it down. Yeah. If we can't fix it, which, or we should create disease specific guidelines, right? If you have obesity, if you have metabolic syndrome, if you have diabetes, right? So we should create, you know, either we need to get the hell out of this or get the conflicts out of it. Right. Any one of those is a plus right now. If you get the conflicts out of it, just get like Gardner right now. I just posted this today on Twitter on X or

whatever Gardner who's on the DGA, Deidre Tobias is from Harvard. They've taken beyond meat and Big Chocolate money. Yeah, crazy. Okay, and now they're on the guidelines saying eat more beans and have less meat and have more Beyond, you know, Beyond. Well, like, this is, if we can get that out. They're on RFKs new or they're on the current administration?

The current administration, right? So, but if we can take that out, that's one great thing. And that's what Nina's been fighting for. Another great person is Gary Ruskin from US Right to Know. He's also fantastic and he should be involved, I think in all these discussions. Also Paul Thacker, great investigative journalist who's been on both sides.

All these people need to be involved. So there's nobody better than Nina, but the... so whether you work in the system or whether you hit the reset, it doesn't matter. She's gonna be the one to fix it. So if Bobby is like, I want you to reset, she'll reset. You know, if Bobby is like, you know, hey, you need to fix this. She can fix it. There's nobody better in my opinion for a role. What's the name of her book? Big fat surprise. Everybody should go read that book. It's an amazing book. I want to say it's been out for a long time, right?

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She's fire. She'd been doing this, man. She's been doing this for a long time. I don't, I, and she works, she's very humble behind the scenes kind of person also. Um, big shout out to her. You know, just an amazing, amazing force here. And yeah, so I think the, you know, I think you got to, you know, we have, we have a once in a lifetime opportunity, right, to make a change here.

And if somebody is like, let's expand HSA and run it through my HSA PayPal and run it and you can buy your supplements like through my thing. I'm not against supplement. I take magnesium every day, right? But like, this is all grift, you know? Oh, use your HSA here to get peptides and, you know, and get, uh, I mean,

that's no different than what the, you know, and let's loosen regulation on peptides. It's no different than, than it's the same vaccine story, but it's like not the leftist side, the rightist side. Right. So we need to be very careful right now of who we let in, you know, the wolves in the hen house, so to speak, because I really think that this is a once in a lifetime. We have a Manhattan project opportunity to address chronic disease.

And I really hope that we get people who are truly like invested. You know, I was talking to somebody, you know, very recently and, and J. Bhattacharya is a workaholic. He's awesome. He's great. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

You know, so, so I, somebody asked me, would it, would I go to DC and, and, and help out and then raise a lot of questions for me to like, think about this, right. And just a hypothetical question, you know, it wasn't like anything serious, but, um, uh, and I hit me that we're at a moment where we're in a once in a lifetime opportunity to address chronic disease, you know, if Bobby is confirmed and we need the best thinkers, the people who are like, it's, you know, I got licensed and I pay probably about $100,000 a year. So me and our team can be licensed in every state.

I pay that. I pay that, you know, and the amount of malpractice you have to pay, we're in 50 states. I pay that, right? Like I could be a celebrity doctor. I could close down and just be a celebrity doctor. I go to, to employers who are like, we're not sure.

And I'm like, we'll do it six months for free. And if we don't get results, you don't pay us. And if we get results, you pay us a little bit more, right? You pay us a little more. I do that because I am fricking, I am, you know, I am in, in like a hundred percent in. Yep. Yep. Right.

I'm a hundred percent in. There's's no I have nobody else to report to. I don't have an investor to report to. I don't have a hedge fund that's invested in my, you know, startup that orders labs once a year and blah, blah, blah. I don't have a hedge fund that's investing in my, you know, function platform or whatever, or true mid or whatever. I don't have, I don't have an investor. All right. I'm in this because I saw my, my family suffer. I suffered. I don't want anybody to suffer. Right. Right. So we need to, right now, we need to get people who are in this and are not, you know, uh, are not, uh, compromised. That's it. You know how many supplement companies have come to me? Seven, you know, Oh, why don't

you promote our, you know, uh, electrolyte or promote our self. And I'm like, just like, I can't, I can't. I, I, I support some, man. I take magnesium every day. You know, I support some men, I take magnesium every day. You know, I take electrolytes, right? I'm like, I can't, I can't support it. I don't want your money. I have a podcast. I took money from the penis pump. Yeah, yeah.

Look, I mean, I'm not, look, everybody's got to make it work and I'm not saying you have to do that, right? But as a doctor, right? Like I'm held to a different, I should be held to a different standard. You should be. Yes, yes, yes. Right? Yes. So, so I have a podcast. And it's cheating.

I have a huge Armenian hog. So it's like cheating. I don't even need that. Like I was already blessed. So. Listen, you want to throw some money, man. Throw some money away. You can lend me like a couple hundred thousand

so my wife can tell me that, you know, so listen, yeah, you can pay CrossFit through HSA. You could have done it before. They're, they're using these robo docs to sign off to say you need to go and this is medically appropriate. You can go to your doc and say doc is exercise important? Yes. Can you sign this letter of medical necessity and then you can go pay your HSA. You can get the robo doc to do it. Right, instead they're running money through their racket

to robo doc, you know, giving these HSA approvals, right? And it's nonsense, it's truly nonsense. You know what they should do instead of expanding HSA, which was listed as one of the things on Bobby's plan. We all know where it came from. They should say, let's make CrossFit tax free. Okay. It's like tax free, easy. Make all fitness centers tax free. Wow. Right. But these people are grifters. They want to pump the money through their shit because they don't care about you. And it's where did it come from when you say? The HSA you said we know where it came from where does it come from?

Don't make me answer that okay, I'm not gonna say It's a per. It's a specific person though. You're saying Okay, yeah anybody Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Um yeah, so okay, so you and I I I don't want to say that because they also do a lot of good and so maybe I'm just cynical and overly the top, you know, evangelical, you know, so I don't want to shit on people, you know, but you're not. The thing is, I am also I feel very suspect and suspicious of anyone who doesn't want

to tear the system down. I do appreciate the, I feel like everyone Trump is choosing was at one point canceled or said something that was true and got fucking beat down for it. And now he's putting them in office. And I like that. It's tantamount to you. Not everybody though. Not everybody. Doc Janet was a terrible pick.

Bhattacharya was awesome. Yeah. Bhattacharya was awesome. I hope he has an ax to grind and I hope he has an ax to grind. He goes in there and in. Yeah. Bobby's I don't think, I don't think so.

He's a sort of been open about his Christianity. I guess he's going to, I'm, I think he will do it the right way. Who's Janet? Uh, Dr. Janet is the surgeon general. She's like, oh, it's like dancing for COVID on our tick tock like a COVID chaps, you know, like, she needs to go. I hope she's not confirmed. Sorry, I got no, you know, nothing against her. You know, she was telling people to get censored. We need to work with Facebook to get censored in 2021. Like, oh, yes, I remember her. I remember her. She doesn't joke. By the way,

she doesn't seem intelligent either. She's not a thinker. I don't know what the hell she's doing. Right. So like, you know, it's just a terrible pick. And then Oz, I don't know what to make of Oz. You know, I, you know, it's just, you know, you could have picked somebody else there too. But, um, Marty Macary, I would say I'm slightly positive with. I think he's relatively good. He understands value-based care.

I would have liked to see Marty Macary at CMS, you know? So, you know, we'll see, you know, we'll see. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. And I hope that there's a lot of tearing down. I hope that Elon and Vivek can. I'm OK if they chop off some branches that are necessary and that we just rebuild them back. I just think it's going to be really hard to do worse

than what we're doing. Hey, where do you live? I'm in New York. Uh, so are you following the drone story? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw like a little bit about it, but I'm not like, uh, I didn't really pay too

much attention to it. I mean, um, I don't really know anything about, I know there's some drone somewhere, you know, um, everybody thinks it's UFOs, that's about the extent of what I know. I mean, you can't really tell because all the footage is at night, but I mean, there's supposedly, and there's some good reports from Coast Guard and whatnot,

hundreds of SUV size drones have been flying all over the Eastern seaboard for three days and Yesterday congressman came on TV and said that there's an Iranian mothership off the fucking coast and that's just like What the fuck kind of report is this? You know man I will tell you that I am NOT I I think right now. I think we're in a World War Three era, right? And I think that people don't understand the bio weapons that are possible, the amount of damage possible from drone warfare. You know, if a bad actor wants to screw the world right now, it could be seconds.

Right? It could be seconds. And it's a scary world we live in. I think, you know, when you think of it that way, and you think about foreign policy, I think we need to maybe just embrace a bit of non-interventionalism. The world is fragile. You know, the world is very fragile. And I don't know much more.

I don't know about politics, so I'm going to plead ignorance. I don't know about foreign policy. That's not my area of specialty. I try to stick to medicine, which is my. But I know, at least from the bio warfare side, viruses, mosquito-borne illnesses, tick-borne illnesses, easily, you know, we have, bio warfare is, you know, just wake up, look at COVID, right? Wake up, look at Lyme, wake up people, Zika, where do you think this, you know, like, bio warfare is very

easy and it's not new, this isn't conspiracy. Go back to smallpox. This is not new, right? Look at Tuskegee. This is all easy and possible. And the drones are just like another example of how technology from the aviation standpoint and technology from the medical standpoint, we live in a fragile world, you know,

and I think we need to all just remember that, you know? Yeah, but I gotta head out soon, brother. I got a patients to see, Sevan. Okay, let me ask you this one thing. What happened, you pop back up on my radar again, I lose my Instagram account every, I feel like six months. So you pop back up on my radar again. I lose my Instagram account every, I feel like six months. So you pop back up on my radar again when the LMT thing happened.

That's a big thing with athletes. It's this powder, you put it in the water, you stir it up and you drink it and you get your electrolytes back. What happened there with you? And then you popped on my radar, you're like, hey, there's sugar in this. Yeah, so let's, I think it's, look, I used LMNT myself for a very long time.

I love Rob Wolf. I love Rob Wolf's book, Sacred Cow, his other book I read too. I've read his work, I think is a voice for metabolic health and CrossFit and bridging that gap, you know, he's, he's done relatively well, right? I don't know him personally. I've never met him. I've interviewed him once. Uh, I think the documentary he helped produce was, was pretty good. Okay. Talking about regenerative agriculture. So I have no beef against him, right? And I have no beef against, you know, the keto gains guy that's over there, I forget his name, Luis something, you know, or other. So I have no, you know, I was a consumer and what I loved about them was you got electrolytes and when you're really getting lean and when you have a high exercise volume

Electrolytes are huge you will feel better. You don't need them, but you will feel better right, so so When your insulin is low you lose electrolytes in your urine. So I love the idea of Supplementing with electrolytes you could salt your food So I love the idea of supplementing with electrolytes. You could salt your food, make sure you get MAG in your diet, make sure you supplement MAG. You could, you know, a bit of potassium, potassium rich foods. There's a lot in meat.

So I like, I liked it and I used it. Right? I used it. Right. So when you look at LM&T, they advertise themselves as saying no dodgy ingredients. And they advertise as saying no sugar, no carbohydrates, no dodgy ingredients. This is what they said. Now other electrolyte people don't make that claim. Right. They don't say that. Right. They don't they don't say, you know, you know, we're the cleanest product out there. And I trusted these people to advocate for me. And what they did, which has been done all throughout the history, is hide maltodextrin, which is the most potent sugar, right?

The most potent carbohydrate in terms of releasing and stimulating insulin, and it messes with the gut in some people, they hid this, okay, in the natural flavors, quote unquote natural flavors. And in fact, in some of the varieties, there's more maltodextrin than magnesium and potassium. Right? There's like 500 milligrams. Now it's not a lot.

And that's not- But from a guy who hasn't had an orange in 10 years, and someone who's in the business of making, in dealing with people's lifestyle health, you need an honest product. They're not an honest product, right? Yeah, I know. That's what's crazy. That's what's so disappointing. It's kind of indefensible no matter how little it is from where you stand, right? Hey, I'm the guy.

I'm going to be this vector that people can come into and get the truth. And if I'm going to recommend your product, then you better be truthful to me. Yeah. Well, what they said be truthful to me. Yeah. Well, what they said was we are truthful. There's nothing dodgy here. You know, oh, it's just some natural flavors. Right. So it was it's terrible.

I it's inexcusable and they have put out so like it would have been great if they came out and said we fucked up. Right. Guys, we fucked up. Right guys, we fucked up, right? You know, our manufacturer or we knew it and we shouldn't have done it. And because of this or that, whatever. Right now I happen to, uh, I happen to like, no, you know, Vinnie Torterich has a supplement line.

I talked to him, you know, salty brand, S a L T T. They're another brand of electrolytes. I talked to him, you know, Salty brand, S-A-L-T-T. They're another brand of electrolytes. I talked to them. I talked to the Relight people and I'm like, hey guys, what are you all doing? I called up Ultima, you know, I'm like, what are you guys all doing? And three of those and I'm not like Vinny Chorter, which is clean, you know, very clean, right? The pure brand. Salty, S-A-L-T-T, I got no stock in any of these people. They're like, yeah, we knew about the maltodextrin and we specifically went with a fiber powder instead of maltodextrin because the natural flavors have to be powderized, right? We went with, we went with Akai fiber or whatever, or Arabic gum basically,

because we didn't want maltodextrin, right? So, I mean, there are people out there who thought about it and they put on their label, Arabic gum or Akai fiber, whatever it's called, right? They put it on there. So there's other people in the industry that are just either don't have it, they don't whatever it's called, right? They put it on there. So there's other people in the industry that are just either don't have it, they don't flavor it at all,

and they're clear about, we got it when I got flavors here, you can squeeze some lemon into this, or you have people who are very, very clear with the label, Salty Brand is a label, SALTT, right? They're very clear about what they put in it. label salty brand is a label S a L T T right. They're very clear about what they put in it. So it's easy for me. I just like dropped, moved to another one.

Altima is another one. Which one do you use now? Which one do you use now? I literally just take relight, you know, chunks. No, so just real salt chunks and I suck on them. Oh, okay Just so god go figure. Okay. I know you have to go. I know you have to go Thirty seconds average average things you like to eat in a day. What's your diet like in a day? Yesterday I had zucchini ground beef and

some Greek yogurt and Today I haven zucchini, ground beef, and some Greek yogurt, and today I haven't eaten. So I'll have coffee here. So there's that. I lied to you. What books do you recommend? Okay, hold on. Go back to the food. Mostly steak, fish, mostly meat, fish, chicken, eggs, Greek yogurt.

That's like the majority of my diet, right? Some green leafy vegetables, some fruit every now and then, but nothing crazy. Then books. Yeah. Big fat surprise. Nina Tideshault's absolutely must read Jason Fung, Obesity Code. Oh yeah. Must read. You know, it's a great, great book. Those two are great books. That's about it. Those two will open your eyes enough

that you don't really need much more. You too, ma'am. Dr. Trow, thank you so much. You too, ma'am. Awesome. Yeah, I appreciate it, Sevan. I'll call you a bit. You have the link.

Tell, oh God, he was such a nice guy. Blanking on his name. Matt, tell Matt, you have the, if he goes up that email chain, I gave the link at the top. So he just got to sign you up for the podcast. So I haven't picked a day yet. No, you haven't picked a day yet.

Oh, okay. I thought I picked a day in January. Okay, all right. Oh, you may have. If you have, then I may not know, you haven't picked a day yet. Oh, I can't I thought I picked a day in January. Okay. All right Oh, you may have if you if you if you have then I don't I may not know, you know All right, so I look forward man to to you coming on. Okay remark and I can shut up Okay, and then remind me. You'll remind me. I'll send you a reminder that week. Yeah you too, man All right. Thanks, dude. All right, man. Have a great day. Thank you for everything you do Yep. Have a good one. Yep. Absolutely seven

Wow Powerhouse great job. Great guess. That's thanks. What a powerhouse of a guy busy busy busy Where were we? Oh, yeah, this chicks giant tits who plays tennis Crazy Crazy. Dr. Trow is so crazy. He's crazy smart. If you don't follow him on Instagram, you got to check his shit out. He's so smart.

I think he's been on this show before. Two out of 10, you think? Two out of 10? Not bad. Ken Walters, Pat, do you like him? Cause he didn't like a couple of Trump's picks. Yeah. He's right up the, um, uh, eight out of 10, eight out of 10. Uh, what's his podcast? Uh, that's a good question.

Dr. TRO Collegian. Let me pull up his Instagram and you guys can... You can troll him all you want. His shit about LMNT makes even more sense now that I put him in context of just how strict he is with his own diet. Hey dude, there's not a lot of people in the world like this who walk the walk. Dr. TRO, T-R-O, TRO. I wonder if there's a Dr. Ho. All right. Uh, I got to blow a snot rocket out in the yard. Don't even have to pee.

I'll see you guys in a minute. I'm Ron Riebel. This is my wife Stephanie. Hello. Member of Copper Top since November 2021. October! October! I'm Jess Ladina. I've been a member at Copper Top since April of 2021.

Uh oh! Oh no! Joseph Johnson III, member of Copper Top since May of 2023. I'm Emma Whitaker. I'm Michael Whitaker. And we have been members at Copper Top since August of 2023. That was awkward. My name is Dan Vivian. Copper Top member since November 2023. Don't know what to do with my hands. I can still hang with the younger guys doing push-ups.

Snatches and anything shouldered overhead. It's just my jam. Muscle ups, which I know is hard for you to hear. Power cleans and snatches at the Olympic lift. The deadlift, I just can't believe sometimes I can lift that much. I like rolling. Hit 100, and if you don't, then there's a penalty. Handstand push-ups, they make me feel

like I can conquer the world. Oh. push-ups. They make me feel like I can conquer the world. I wonder if I can get my wife to bring me another cup of coffee. I'm leaving at 910. Okay, your mom isn't coming today. I'd like to go to yoga kids will be fine. They have their monthly zoom. Kids will be fine. They have their monthly zoom. Oh, okay Can you bring me another coffee All right, uh So I'll go this morning

I'll go this morning and John will I guess John woolly the distinguished gentleman John woolly Now where's yeah, where's this Like god I fucking hate this shit here. We go you guys ready Guys ready, I think it's this one It says a new episode of constantly varied conversation now available do you guys think someone will accept my charity challenge And the first comment is seven hasn't ever completed the open. Okay, here we go. Out that supporting the brand is by default supporting the countless lives that have been changed by CrossFit. I was just home a couple of weeks ago, talking to my dad. He just turned 80. And for the last two years, he's been battling cancer.

Now we would not have found out that he had cancer, had he not been CrossFitting. So I genuinely believe that CrossFit has saved his life. So I really respect that Rick brought that to my attention because it made me rethink my position of why I wanted to sit out. I'd already planned to do the open with my affiliate on Friday Night Lights, but he's absolutely made me rethink my viewpoint that the visibility of supporting a methodology that saved my father's life is a pretty damn valid point. So I'm going to sign up for the open.

One of the things he said to me that I think we need to do here is the challenge to do it for charity. And I was thinking that there's somebody else in my age division who's a pretty popular podcast host within the CrossFit sphere, not talking about Sean Woodland. Talking about Savant. And so here's my challenge. I'm going to do the open. I'm assuming Savant's going to do the workouts too.

He's part of the CrossFit community. Well, if he's going to do it, I'm going to do it. Let's compare scores. If he beats me and ranks higher at the end of three weeks, I'll donate 500 bucks to the affiliate or charity of his choice. If I win, you donate 500 bucks to CrossFit First, which is the adaptive athlete class

at Sugar and False CrossFit. He pointed out that supporting the brand is by default supporting the countless lives that have been changed by CrossFit. I was just home a couple of weeks ago talking to my dad. He just turned 80. And for the last two years, he's been battling cancer. Now we did. Did I just loop that over again? Did that play twice? Well, someone summed this up for me. What the fuck did he just say? Okay

There's some emotional appeal in the beginning. I can't even pro. I don't even know how to process. I can't process that that was too just so his Get on sentinel. I'm the fucking greatest programmer ever lived. Are you guys retarded? Good get Seve on sentinel Are you guys retarded? Get Seveon Sentinel. I can work at HQ for fucking ever. I was fucking in charge of fucking main site programming for fucking ever.

Shut the fuck up. Hold on a second. Okay. Okay. So his dad, his dad. So CrossFit saved his dad, so he's had some, he felt something like all the Kamala voters do. And they don't feel, they only feel they don't work on logic.

So they, he felt something. And then because of that, I don't, I don't, by the way, I don't, I think that there's some other factors at play here too. I think like maybe his co-workers or friends, friends influenced him. But so let's take him on his word. He felt something because of the relationship of how CrossFit has impacted his dad. And of course, he fucking loves the shit out of his dad. I won't question that.

He seems like a good family guy. That's for sure. I give him that. And so then because of that, he feels compelled to do the open. And then if I do, I need it really simple. Is it basically I do the open and if I win he'll give me 500 bucks? And if he wins I give some program that he mentioned 500 bucks? Is that what it is? No. Someone fucking call in and tell me what he just fucking said no for charity yeah I'm my favorite yeah for charity not but I'm not giving my money to charity he can do what he wants with his money I'm not giving my money to

charity yeah to the three playing brothers charity yeah Replaying Brothers Charity. Yeah. No, Seval Matosian isn't a charity. The fuck it's not. What are you talking about? Don't lose then. I'll donate. I'll give him the, he can do whatever the fuck he wants with the money. I don't believe, I don't, I don't believe in charities. Charities are fucking bullshit. I'm so fucking good with my, yeah, fuck charity.

I'm so good with my fucking money, everyone around me fucking benefits from, whenever I get money it's like, when I have money you want to be my friend, trust me. Shit's good. Shit's good. Shit's great. Just give me the 500 dude. Oh, just send it to you and don't even do it. Ha ha ha. I got a call date. Listen, I'm like, oh thanks babe.

I'm like Pat Velner, I'm not doing the open until I know the details. I need to know, thanks, babe. I'm like Pat Velner. I'm not doing the open until I know the details. I need to know the details. Hi. I need to know the details before I can, but I would love to do this with you, John, but I need to know the details. I need to know what other things out there I'm going to,

the distinguished gentlemen, John Woolley, please hear me out. I need to know what other options I have out there before. I hate online competition. I can't stand it. Yeah, I'm out there before. I hate online competition. I can't stand it. Yeah. I'm going to do this. Uh, yeah, this is what the people want to watch two old guys resting several times during the time.

I was thinking that this morning, these fucking idiot friends of mine, the fucking Bill Grundler and Pedro and fucking Hiller and Taylor, these fucking jackasses are like, hey, film all your fucking workouts and like, let's do this, it'll be fun. When the fucking wants to watch me fucking work out, do seven burpees and stop. The fuck. I'd watch great. sorry hold on Jeremy I forgot I even answered hold on shit I even forgot I answered I I like hearing myself talk so much I forgot I answered the phone hold on okay go ahead go ahead Jeremy go ahead Hey Hey

Hey, hey Hey, maybe you don't need a second cup of coffee. She's cheese She got riled up. Will it gets you riled up man. I like that one Taylor goes she's Woo! Cheeeese! Will he use the emotional appeal to call you out? This motherfucker checkmated me. Yeah, this fucking asshole. To call your ass out, dude.

So now, this next year, you can't bail on the open, bro. Yeah, I know. I know what's going on, Jeremy. I know what the fuck's going on. I know he fucking checkmated me. You can't handle the truth, can you? I can. I just don't need it explained to me. From some fucking guy.

You just said someone call in and... Yeah, yeah, but you're not explaining that. I know I've been checkmated. I just need to know what the rules are. You do the open. He does the open. If he beats you, you donate... I think he said, if I heard that correctly,

500 to crossfit HQ I don't know I think it was some kids program at his gym or a gym for retards oh sure for like you know the retards at his gym or something right it's something like that Lang and David Weed I get it yeah for those guys yeah we the retard day for days. Definitely. He's gonna need more than 500 hours. Um, And i'm gonna do it i'm gonna fucking do it and i'm gonna you know what i'm gonna call i'm gonna call dave right now Find out the workout to start training There you go, dude. Hey And i'm gonna call and i'm gonna call sarah and get all juiced up on peptides

Well, now you're disqualified. You should have kept that to yourself. No, he never mentioned that. Let's delete this portion of the podcast. Get all fucking jacked and shit. Last year, you said, I'm doing the workouts. I'm doing them all. You had awesome videos.

We were like, hell is that? And then you didn't do all the workouts. I don't know. I think I think you're misspeaking I said sign up for the open Hey, I don't even think I had the equipment for the fucking second or third workout Hey and standing I have a fucking huge fucking monstrous cock I saw you say no you don't Just a beautiful fucking thick tube steak Oh, okay. Are we are you sure that because you're smaller you're not saying like like is it is it big in proportion to you?

Or big in general, you know what i'm saying? Like listen, hey I'm gonna tell you something i've never said on the show before Jeremy. I can control the size of it What the hell does that even mean like like, you know, like plastic man can be like He like how far he can stretch his arm. I can make it I can make it a one fister a two fister or three fister You know what a fister is a fister is how many times you can grab your Pete? How many times you can grab your penis and still see the head of it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm very familiar with that.

Yeah, so I can make it just a one fister, or two fister, or I can make it a three fister. Yeah, what's the science behind how you can control that? What the hell does that even mean? I just can control the blood flow down there. I can just, I'm just fucking a, uh, I'm, I'm a, um, I've told you guys before I'm enlightened and I have like control of my body on certain molecular, I have awareness and control of my body on a certain, yeah. Mr. Fantastic. Thank you. That's wild, man. Yeah. One of these days offline, you're going to have to teach me how to do that. I have no control. Once blood goes there, it's game on. I need something to hump.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I understand that. No control. I'm just saying I can control the size of it. That's amazing. That's amazing. So you're gonna do the open, you're gonna do all the workouts, you're gonna whoop Willie's ass, you're gonna get on Sentinel to do it. I'm gonna do the open, I'm gonna do all the workouts. Number three, I don't know. I don't know if I'm gonna whoop his ass. I'm gonna practice. I already... This is how I know this motherfucker checkmated. When I saw the video, I was already like, shit I need to make a list of things I need to practice. Like, I haven't jump roped in fucking a year. I better start... I better figure out... see... relearn double. I need to learn...

I need to just not look like a fucking ass clown when I do it. Wait, hold on. You lost... they got disconnected. Hold on on I don't know what the fuck's wrong with this phone hold on hold on Hello Hello Hello Yo, I can't listen. I'm gonna tell you guys something I can't do fucking training programs from fucking other people because they don't fucking understand my body You fucking idiots out there don't understand what it's like to be fucking 52 years old

You have to be fucking very very careful All right, you got me there, but let me tell you this your boy taylor Yeah, he will he knows you he knows your body telling me my back this and my whatever and you know He'll figure some shit out for you to do trust me listen I'm fucking ten times the programmer he ever him and JR are combined. They don't they don't oh my god, dude yesterday I did listen. I can't really hear that. Oh, well, it's just the truth I never tell I don't even I don't even talk to them those guys about any of that stuff because like I don't even want to get into it with them. I just like watching them just go off. Listen Yesterday it took me 30 minutes to work up to a

Took me I did three because I'm kind of what I want I I don't remember what I said, but I said something in the comments the other day about how I could squat clean 135 touching go ten times and I said something in the comments the other day about how I could squat clean 135, uh, touch and go 10 times. And like right now you could do that. Yeah. But then I went, but then someone in the, and then someone in the comments is like, no, you can't.

So then I went in the garage and I spent 30 minutes like working up to it and I did, I did a four touch and go with 135 squat cleans and I was like, Ooh, I should stop. And I stopped. So yeah, so I've been, I've been working on that. But yesterday I took me 30 minutes, dude, to work up to be able to do three touch and go with one 60 squat clean. And it was fucking hard. I am not the spring. No, it's not my back. It's just, it's, it's, um, when you're 52,

just the way everything fires takes forever to be explosive enough to be like I started with 75 pounds and it seemed fucking crazy to me Okay, you know what I mean like I can't squat clean 75 pounds cold. I had to do 10 front squats with 75 pounds first You know what I mean, I mean, yeah, yeah yeah you're a little older I get it but it was cold as hell right? I was in the 40s yesterday and uh no no no I wear three pairs of long johns and four sweatshirts when I work out I'm never cold. I don't let myself get old. Oh look at Terry H. I'm 56 you haven't seen anything yet I know I can only imagine I'm just turning into a fucking

statue but the good news is is after 30 minutes. I can do some still some cool tricks But um, but dude, it's crazy. It's crazy But I the good thing also is is here's the one good thing about wooly. I will tell him this He did give me time like I could Hmm, I can probably build my engine. I can build my engine up a little bit more And the good also with that the good news is the open isn't, I mean, it's three weeks and it's not like, the hardest thing we did last year was far muscle ups

and heavy, heavier thrusters. So, you know, it's not like you got to worry about maybe a one rep max snatch or anything like that. Yeah, snatching would be bad. Snatching would be really bad for me. I hate snatching It's just super basic stuff. Get your double unders down get your engine built up, you know, get your squat capacity You know all that stuff you'd be good dude You'd be good because if you lose in style like you were prepared, but like he was just a little bit fitter

It's all good. You lose looking like you did last year Hey, I don't um Ck Kevin wooly fucking step on up. I'm here for it. Yeah, I'm here for it, too. Here's the thing if more people Oh, I think he's really fit Okay, I saw him in a tank top the other day. He looks fucking really fit. Um Yeah, hi. Hi Ari. Hi. If I don't mind, I like what he, I don't tell anyone this, but I like what he's doing and I think it's good and I think it's unifying and I think it's funny and I'm not worried about looking like a jackass except if

I really am a jackass. You know what I mean mean like I don't mind like if he doubles my score but I don't want to go out there and like Like really not like Like some people actually think like I don't work out or I'm not fit like I like I am fit I just don't want to like I don't I don't like I don't like I just don't like I'd like to it'd be cool people are like Wow, he's not a fucking piece of shit. Like I thought he was that would be enough for me That's what that's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Even if you lose that's fine Yeah, but last year when you're doing that deadlift, what the hell was a deadlift row?

Double under whatever that was that wasn't a good look. I'm just saying. We don't need that again. Let's leave that in the past. Oh, what do you mean, what, the video Hiller made? Yeah, the one Hiller made. Oh, I thought I looked great. I mean, that's the problem. I thought I looked amazing. God, I thought I looked amazing.

I mean, fine, I won't burst you bubble. You looked awesome, dude No, hey did did Willie say I? Don't know that what he was implying in that video. It's always hard to like listen to him talk I don't really enjoy too much, but uh did he say basically it took his dad getting cancer? To realize the importance of CrossFit and that it does save lives. Is that what he was implying in that? No, I think what he said is somehow because he was doing CrossFit, he was, I'm making this part up, but he was in tune enough with his body to catch that he had cancer.

And so that he feels like he should support CrossFit as a whole. And that, how it affected him and his dad personally? transcends any Other retarded thoughts he might be having which is probably most of his thoughts and then from there that's when he fucked me I got drug into it and Yeah, but he but he said he said like I was out before This happened or something. I don't know again I listened to it once and it was element the gym was all all loud but uh it sounded like he said he was like I was out until you know I found my dad had cancer and then realized CrossFit saves

lives. I don't know that's how I interpreted it. That's how I heard it. Yeah it's something like that. Because if that's the case that's freaking stupid. It's my friend Jeremy. Oh you got a guest. No it's Ari, it's just Ari. It's my friend Jeremy. Ari, you got a guest? No, it's Ari. It's just Ari. What's up Ari? How you doing buddy? Good. Hey, Ari, do you think that I should be able to go or do you think I should win the contest to go to watch a comedy show with your dad's friend? With your dad's friend We're just thinking about it this hot chicks going to a comedy show and she has to pick someone to go and this guy Wants to go with her It's a girl oh then you have to win there you go. He said you have to win I

Have to all you're the man There it is. It's settled. Sweet deal. If it was a man, I'd do whatever you want, but if it was a girl... I would probably win. I'm trying to win. I'm gonna see if I can go to the ranch and have Dave... ...judge me for the open. God, I hope I'm home for the open. That'd be cool. the I was on the road for the last two weeks of the open last year. Where were you in Arizona? Yeah, I was in Arizona. Wait, we are we there too. You were there All right

Thank you for making me feel like shit about my last look that was a bad look appreciate it Someone's gotta do it dude. We gotta keep it real. But anyways, yeah. All right. Thank you. I look alright, please help That video was cool We gotta keep it real but anyways, yeah. All right. Thank you. I look all right. Peace out. Thanks But that video was cool I thought it was great. You see me work out every day. You think I look good when I work out? Be honest What do I look like look like an old man or I look like I'm fucking a savage just you know what surprises me what you're um like

My poor crazy you're like 75 pounds heavier me you can I pick up um baby eight pounds fourteen pounds you pick up like 40 and that's what surprises me like how strong I am yes. Yeah, I'm a beast. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you So you're impressed by my physical prowess Yeah, my ability You see me walk around the house. You're like, yeah, my dad's a bad dude sometimes Are you ever like man my dad's a pussy?

No, not really. Okay, good. Not yet. When you're 60, I'll call you that. Yeah. This other guy said when I'm 56, it'll be like that. Really? Oh, shut it, Ken.

Seve, there are boxes everywhere in the world. Remember, you were part of the fastest expansion ever, more than Starbucks. Thank you. Shut it Go to a gym. I ain't going on fucking affiliate Is Ken strong, yeah all the people all the People who all the people in the chat are strong all the listeners are strong. That's what's cool about the show. Sebi, we got a thousand dollars in the Matote marketing budget. Accept the challenge only if he raises the stake to a thousand.

Damn. Thanks, Dale. Thanks for taking... Thanks... Thanks for... I'm trying to fucking like bring it... Bring down the heat in the room. Thanks, Dale.

Thanks, Dale. Why? You're not trying to bring... You're not trying to get it cool. this other fucking old guy challenged me to a workout Did I tell you that part? Yeah, this other old fucker. I Don't want to be friends with the dude now I got to work out with them Have to yeah have to you don't have to do listen if you went toiu-Jitsu tournament and you saw a kid and he was bigger than you,

would you still go out there? Yeah, why? Yeah, well, because you're not a pussy. I can't be a pussy either. Well, you're 52. I know this guy's old as dirt too. This guy might be older. Is he strong?

Yeah. Is that something new? Probably. We'll see. We're about to find out. Is he coming here or are you going there going he's coming here to our house? He's not coming here, I don't think he's coming here maybe he'll come here, I don't know the Joker is this for you It's real. This is real

He made a post on on the internet saying I want to compete againstvan the loser has to pay 500 bucks. What if he loses? If he loses I'll get the money I'll give it to you. No no no no no give 100 to Mom, give 100 to Avi, give 100 to Joey, 100 to me, 100 to you. And then 100 to my mom? To Mezmite? No you keep the 100. Well that's only 400 I'll have 500. Oh no that's 500 you're right. Divvy it up with the family. Well, that's only 400. I'll have 500. Oh, no, that's 500. You're right. Okay. Yeah Divvy it up with the family

Let's split it. Yeah, that's good. I like that I'm not just keep it. I got 500 to add to the pot of your serious about going no guys. Fuck nuts I don't want to i'm not interested in increasing the fucking pot Fuck nuts. I don't want to I'm not interested in increasing the fucking pot You and Dale are stressing me out no, there's no increasing the pot listen, it's 500 bucks listen I'm not even gonna mention Woolie's name until ever again. I Fucking lost I concede he checkmated me. I'm gonna do it quietly At the ranch live on my Instagram. Are you doing at the ranch? Yeah, wouldn't that be cool?

No, we find here's the good thing Ready? Yeah, if people see me doing it then maybe other people will do it who aren't gonna do it Just cuz they can then get a shot of beating me Someone sent me our placements last way I got I got one more thing to say if an old man beats you I'll definitely call you a pussy Okay I'll cry too even if Um last year

Uh, someone sent me this screenshot and it says last year. He took 57,000th in the open wooly did and I took a hundred and forty seven thousandth God no, he killed me a hundred thousand by a hundred thousand places Like I don't understand this oh Shit so I don't understand this in the first workout year, Wooly has a time and I have reps. That means he finished the workout and I didn't? And that's why I have reps? Is that what that means? What was the first workout? What was 24.1? Oh, mom wants you to come back to the house for a second. One second. That's what she said. She said, um, she said, can Ari come back

for a second? Yeah., then you can come back. Leave the door open a crack when you leave. It's getting hot in here, I think. Are you hot in here? All right. Burpee snatches. That was the workout? All right. All right.

Let's not talk about this ever again until the open. Oh, that Emma Lawson Shelby Neil and Daniel Brandon are gonna all be on the same team at Waddleplooza. That's cool. All right. Sevan, if you do this, remember you have the whole Sevanista team behind you. I'm gonna do it. No, you, listen, you guys take the fucking week off. I don't need it. Listen, I don't need any, no more money, no more pressure. Sevan, if you win, he will donate $500 to an affiliate charity of your choice. Yeah, that's to me. I'll take the money.

If he wins, then you donate $500 to CrossFit First, the adaptive class at Shargon Falls CrossFit. Yeah, that's cool That's awesome. Meaning me just so then then they can people can do Like a scholarship for like whatever if they charge 200 bucks a month like a two and a half month scholarship Yeah, that's cool shit. I like that His whole idea is fucking great His whole idea is fucking great. His whole idea is great. Oh, my triceps are so sore. What am I going to do?

I need just a list of the movements that have been in the open and I just need to practice them. And I probably should lose 10 pounds. That way if there is something crazy that comes up like muscle-ups or something like that, there'd be no fucking way he can beat me. I mean, not in the totality of it, but I mean in that one workout. It would be cool if I could win one workout. Although those numbers are pretty scary. I think that's pretty crazy. Now that I'm kind of remembering the workout last year, like finishing it, I don't think

he was even an option for me. How many reps did you need to finish? 24.1, was I even close? What was the time cap on that? I was three minutes behind him. 25.1 snatches and burpees. Yeah, 300 air squats for time would be awesome. The caveat is he will probably not send you the money but send it to the affiliate or charity at the end of the day.

I don't even care. Sevan accepts the challenge. Willie finished the open for the first time ever. God, you're an asshole. Uh, I know that's what I was thinking. Content. You can get great content out of it too. Yeah.

No, here's the thing. content out of it too. Yeah. No, here's the thing. Chase, just give him the $500 and keep talking shit to him. This isn't coming to be his gotcha moment. No, it's good. Here's the thing. Oh, the behind the scenes will be coming out soon from the games and last year I did a video saying you should take your L1 and you should do the open. So maybe this year I'll make a video saying you should take your L1 and you should do the open.

So maybe this year I'll make a video saying I'm doing the open against the distinguished gentleman Mr. Woolley or something you should do it too. It just gives me kind of like a you know something fresh and at least it's authentic and sincere, you know, so Fuck no loser has to go on the others podcast live. Let me come up with the ideas By the way, I can't believe I saw this shirt in my closet and I picked it again I can't believe it. I just wanted to see if it felt as soft after I washed it once. Yeah, it feels so good It's amazing

Sure. It's amazing. I Did fuck him up yesterday on the show pretty good. I felt pretty good about that About defining The lease rents model or what was it rent being in someone's head and paying rent or something or what was it? Rent being in someone's head and paying rent or something? That was cool. I want to show you something fucking bat shit crazy. You ready for this? These are all the Kamala voters. This is all the Kamala voters. The doctors, the physicists, the people who work at HQ, John Woolley.

This is all of them in a fucking nutshell right here. This is everyone on Reddit. This is everyone in the fucking comments and in the comments on any fucking catcher doter does this is it this This fucking is them you have to fucking believe me. This is them I'm about to show you Okay ready watch this this is this is this is a The this is real life, but it's like an SNL skit.

Ariana Grande, I don't know who that is. Is Ariana Grande the same? That's different than Selena Gomez. Are those the same? And I don't know what the fuck this hideous creature is next to her with all the holes in her face. Ariana Grande makes wild mistakes in cringe-wicked interview. This is not a mistake, people. This is completely, this is, this is why, this is why people don't like Trump. This is nuts. Okay, ready for this? This, you're not even gonna believe that what I'm about to

show you. Everyone is just so beautifully queer and that roots all the way back to the L. Frank Baum books where like literally the most commonly used word in the books is queer and star theater queer lovely beautiful friends. And I don't know, it's just a celebration. How do you honor that history? I'm going to play that for you one more time. It's a little hard to get. She was in some movie, I think it's a remake of The Wizard of Oz, and she's referencing how the word queer was used in the book. Like today it means you like cock in your mouth if you have a cock or you like to eat pussy if you have a pussy.

That's what it means now, right? Slash pedophile. It's different than gay and lesbian because it also means you like it's your gay or lesbian. Someone told me this recently and you like some other weird shit. So there's gay and lesbian that's like if you like the same genitalia that's in your pants to be on your face but if you're queer it's that plus let's just throw a pedophile in there but that's not the way it's used in the Wizard of Oz,

and I guess in the original Wizard of Oz book. It's like, obviously. Like I don't even know what book she's talking about. And I know it's an old book and I know they didn't use the word back then. Queer just meant like just strange. Everyone is just so beautifully queer. And that was all the way back to the L. Frank Baum books

where like literally the most commonly used word in the books is queer and star theater queer lovely beautiful friends and I don't know it's just a celebration and how do you honor that history? Is Ariana Grande okay? The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was published in the year 1900 so the reason that it used the word queer a ton throughout the text The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was published in the year 1900. So the reason that it used the word queer a ton throughout the text was not because it was a work of LGBTQIA, two-spirit plus, Wi-Fi password community, whatever, allyship. No, it was because back then queer was routinely used as a word that meant strange or odd. It had nothing to do with

queerness as Ariana Grande or Cynthia Arivo. They can't even fucking navigate the world. I remember in anthropology there was a word for that. What was it? Not ethnocentric. There was another word. But it's basically it's basically conflating your timeline and perception of the world with the time with other timelines it's like bring um what's what is the word it's bringing um god what the fuck is that word does anyone know what I'm talking about? It's like when you bring your ideas. It would be like someone in our time saying those fucking idiots always left their cell phones in their car in 1982 without acknowledging the fact that the cell phone was attached

to the car. It's called. What the fuck is that? God, these people are fucking stupid. It, uh, egocentric. No, it's an anthropology term. It's, um, uh, it's like ethnocentric. It's like, I think ethnocentric means like when you bring your culture, but there's there's there's one that's specific to temporal relationships. What is that word?

Ah, oh my god Oh my god, it's I want to say it starts with an a God what is that word? Oh my god Uh, you think it oh, uh, so wooly got seve all flustered you think woollies affected my vocabulary Shut the fuck up Uh That's where that's where it is that word it is anachronism that is the word anachronism. Anachronism, because I don't feel like I've ever heard that word.

A thing belonging or appropriate to a period other than which it exists, especially a thing that is conspicuously old-fashioned. Yeah, it is that, but then when you... That's part of it, but then there's an actual... When you analyze something from the past using an anachronism. It is, and it's this thing, it's an anthropological term. At least I feel like I learned it in Anthropology 101, where I did take a box of wine and bang this redheaded chick who was sitting in the front row. Amanda? I think her name was Amanda. I held her hand in class.

Can you imagine that? Just think about what a fucking pimp I was back then. I sat next to her every single day, introduced myself, and then one day just during class just fucking held her hand. God, I was fucking crazy. Very romantic. Can you imagine? I think she feels very safe there. There's a, there's, it was one of those, it was anthropology 101. It was in a fucking, there were like, I don't know if it's declared clear 500 people in the class or 900,

but it was a massive class. You know what I mean? It's one of those giant ones. And I'll never forget the teacher was like, yeah, don't do that now. Yeah, hell no. Dude, let me tell you something. People look I walk around this now and people look at me like I'm a creepy old man. I'm fucked. But I. walk around and this now people look at me like I'm a creepy old man I'm fucked but um I I could probably do it to some old lady still I I bet you I could do it to like some 80 year old lady seven-year-old lady like if I was taking

some class with her somewhere like at the college that's like for old people and she was like 20 years older than me. I could still do it. I just have to know my audience. You know what I mean? The teacher, I remember the teacher in that anthropology class was like, one of the things we're saying were like, and he's like, he's up there and he's like, monkeys when they're young monkeys play in order to practice fighting skills that they will need when they're older.

This was studied in a PhD thesis by blah, blah, blah. And I'm just like, holy fuck. Let me write this down. So monkeys play as young monkeys so that they can develop skills for fighting. They wrestle when they're young so they can develop skills for fighting when they're older. Okay, got it. Thank you. Fucking college. He was like a famous anthropologist too. I think that that may have even been his.

I wonder if I could remember his name if I saw it. I mean, I definitely can't remember it, but I wonder if I saw it, if I would recognize it. Oh, my wife left the house. Your mom isn't coming today. I'm doing yoga at nine 30 kids will be fine. Kids have an appointment at 1130. Oh, I swear. I need to work out.

I need to prepare for wooly. I don't even do CrossFit anymore. I just prepare for wooly. That's my, that's my my that's my that's my Training program. Oh, is it ethnocentrism? Judging other cultures by the views and values of one on one. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's ethno, but there's one that's there's one so that's based on culture there's one that's a Ignoring the temporal relationships between you and something that you're evaluating.

Yoga woolly prep by Sevan. Yoga equals Nick. Oh, fuck you, Barry. I'm doubling down on the assault bike. Oh, maybe you're right Maybe maybe you think I should just switch to the rower now Holy shit, that's great advice. I Just need to start rowing just completely change my shit, right? You're right God for the first time in my life, I hope I get injured. I hope I get injured. Oh my goodness. Okay, that's good.

Rowing, that's good advice. Any other advice for me? Actually, no, shut the fuck up everyone. I don't want any more advice. That was a one in a million that Barry did that,ing. Okay, I'm gonna do that. I'm just gonna switch. So all that time I spend on the bike, I'm gonna switch to rowing. Okay, that's good. That's solid. Because I did notice like just I've been changing my workouts out just a little bit lately. And I just I already can tell like some composition change and I've been doing higher rep pull ups and higher rep push ups and yeah, okay, rowing.

That's solid. Jesus, this sounds horrible. Forty cows on the rower, forty burpees. One, two, three, three rounds, three and a half rounds. Yeah, double unders. Okay, rowing. Yeah, I'm going to definitely work on my double unders. I was never very good at them, but I really enjoy them, so that's good.

I don't really mind rowing either. All right Don't get carried away no one say anything stupid I'm liking you guys right now don't anyone say anything fucking dumb Really liking that Matt burns double under his prime Barry McCaulkin or rowing. All right Thrusters yeah thrusters I Thrusters, yeah, thrusters. I do thrusters for every once. I do 10 thrusters with the bar and 10 burpees, alternating 10 rounds pretty often. Maybe, okay, I'll put thrusters down here.

More thrusters. More thrusters. 80 pound dumbbell snatch. I don't know about that. I did 10 reps with the 60 the other day. By the way, once again, that took me 30 fucking minutes to work up to, to be able to do 10 unbroken reps with the 60 pound dumbbell and you know what's crazy this is another thing where's the guy who told me where's the

guy that told me that I've been fifth weight to your 56 you know what started happening I did 10 reps with the 60 pound dumbbell alternating hands and my hands started opening up I can't even fucking believe that. I never, I never, that's crazy. My hands started opening up with dumbbell snatches. Jeremy, I bet someone has better rowing technique than you. My technique's impeccable. I called my wife out yesterday when I did those

160 pound squat cleans. I'm like, I still got it, huh? She's like, yeah, I move like a fucking dream. Maybe my sequencing or my motor recruitment pattern isn't perfect or maybe I bounce it off my hip, but fuck, I move fucking great. That's the one good thing. My burpees are fucking impeccable.

Everyone looks like the last one. Grip strength is strongly associated with cognitive health as we get older. Well, fuck, then mine's eroding. I can't even fucking believe. I couldn't believe my hands started opening. I mean, I could believe it. Yeah, I was blown. Hey, dude, that's I was blown away. I was blown away that I was able to do that. The first rep I did with I couldn't even squat clean 170. I couldn't tell my body. I went out there. I put 75 pounds on the bar and I tried to squat clean it and I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't tell my body to do it. I told my body to squat clean and I caught

it in a power clean and then just front squat it. I was like, Well, fuck, I better do 10 of these grease the groove. Could not tell my body to do 75 pounds. But like my body's like, You're gonna hurt yourself. And don't, and I was already warm. I'd already, I'd already been on the assault bike for 10 minutes forward and 10 minutes backward. All right. We did Ariana Grande's Retarded. We did Breast Reduction. God, how nice were her tits? Those were crazy. Her tits were so nice, they looked fake.

What's this? Oh, this, by the way, this will put the Daniel Penny thing into perspective. I bet Wooly can't power clean it, though. I bet you Wooly can. I think he's, I think he might be a big dude. He's not a little bite sized man like me. He might be, I think he's a big dude. I think he's like a six foot tall dude.

Okay. Uh, which is crazy though. Cause he, he, I mean, he obviously destroyed me on the snatch burpee workout. So fuck, what do I know okay here we go the daniel pennie case one of the prosecutors is an insane liberal and you have to hear how this person's brain works daphna urine not too long ago prosecuted a man who was robbing somebody at an atn the robber pushed the man down. He was old. You can see there. He hit his head. He later died of brain contusion. The defendant did not intentionally kill the victim. Unfortunately, it was an older individual. He was 86. And in the course of the robbery, he fell to the ground and as a result,

he died. This is under the law, a felony murder, which is akin to intentional murder. However, when I first got the case, I learned, um, I took the time to learn about the defendant and, uh, it was a strong case. So it wasn't about who done it and knew immediately who did it I could prove it I could take it to trial that day and win it but it wasn't about that it was that the more I learned about the defendant and his life and the circumstances the kinds of things that

Jarrell was talking about that one should take into account the trauma of that individual. Jarell. Um, I really felt incredibly sorry for him that he had gotten to that point in his life where he felt like there was no other choice but to, to. She feels sorry for the guy who had gotten to a place where in his life where he had no other options but to rob an 86 year old man at the ATM and fucking kill him on accident. She felt bad that, oh my God, can you imagine the place that that guy must be in that he had to rob a guy who is 86 years old at the ATM?

He must have been in a really bad place. Commit this robbery. Why is it that so many liberals are obsessed with empathizing with the perpetrators of crimes? How about it doesn't matter how he got there. He killed someone's family member. What the hell with them, I guess. And this woman is now prosecuting Daniel Penny.

In that case, she wanted leniency for a criminal who accidentally killed someone. Hey, is that weird to go on Fox News with a shirt that has a little window into your titties? You see it like that, isn't that? That's a little, that's interesting, right? Little window into your titties on Fox News? Okay, anyway, back to Daniel Penny.

But in this case, she wants to throw the book at somebody who accidentally killed somebody while trying to protect other people. Where's the justice system going here? In that case, Matthew Lee was facing 25 to life, but thanks to your Anne, he got only 10 years. She seems happy about this outcome. This was the first time a Manhattan DA

used what is called restorative justice for a homicide case. This shit is unreal. This shit is unreal. I don't care how bad anything is going on in your life. You can't rob someone at an ATM. You care if your wife just died, your kids just died, you need to pay for your lawyer for your daughter who was raped. You don't need to pay for your kid's fucking heart surgery. Uh, you need to pay ransom, ransom for your daughter that's being held. Something.

Nope. You can't rob someone at ATM. And then, and then she, and then she tries to justify it. And then and then she and then she tries to justify it Have you heard these people trying to justify the killing of the United Health Care CEO, did you see Elizabeth Warren? Elizabeth Warren United Health Care justify it's crazy she said people can only be pushed so far it this is fun this this when you see this video you're gonna trip Let me see if I can find it. I want to find you the whole video.

Oh, I can't find there was a great I took a picture I was watching it yesterday when I was working out. I want to show you the whole video it goes shows all these people trying to justify his murder. Left is fucked up and they are some fucking bad people Should I just show you the little clip From fox news I wonder if this will play. This isn't the full piece.

Oh, it's a pharmacy ad. And many even achieve 100% clear sky Rizzi don't use if allergic serious allergic reactions increased infections sky Skyrizzy! How do I skip this ad? Jesus Christ. Yeah, justifying the death of this guy is inappropriate. You'd be hard put to find a sitting senator saying something more vile than that I guess that she sees votes and talking about well you

know you can only push people encouraging people to murder oh are they gonna play it let's go murder people is show some no they're not even gonna play it. And of course it's with joy read. I'll find it tomorrow. I couldn't find my phone so I took a picture of the TV screen of the video I want to play you guys with my wife's phone and now I don't have it. She's off at yoga. Yoga! All right. Yeah, listen. If I listen, yeah, when I say I don't believe in charities, like, I would spend that $500, I would use that money to buy $500 worth of shit at Doc Spartan. Like, I believe in supporting companies. Charities is just incentivizing people to put their thumb in their ass and then pull it out and suck on it. I'm not doing that. Not all of them, just 99% of them. Maybe I'll give my money to the same charity that Woolly is, like if it's if that one sounded okay

But why I would rather Buy $500 worth of stuff from Doc Spartan calm get your metoothian now that way the people that Dale King employees over there at Doc Spartan Get rewarded they're hard-working people who are going going through hardship in their own life We've gone through rehab and then I can give the product away to other people That's my idea of charity. Let someone else spend my fucking money. How about go fuck yourself? You there's no fucking way you 99% of people in the world cannot do better with 500 bucks than I can Hello. Hi Kathleen

do better with 500 bucks than I can. Hello. Hi Kathleen. Yeah, give me your money. I'll make sure that I'll make sure that people's lives are better. You just send your money to me. Pat Lang, I don't think you're going to have to worry about where you will have to give your money. Great. Hey, you think he knows he's gonna trounce me and that's why he picked on me? Fuck this dude up. Find the smallest dude in the room, just beat his ass. Get some pussy tonight. That guy over there, kick his ass, my wife will see me do it and I'll get tons of pussy tonight.

Let me tell you something though, my wife is, I'm going to get pussy whether I win or lose. She's going to be so proud of me. My house is like the Special Olympics. Anything I do, I get fucking rewarded for. No, Jesus. That's not, can we pull up Wooly's open stats? No, that's not going to make me feel good at all. Someone sent me a screenshot.

The fucking first workout last year, this motherfucker finished the workout. I'm like, you know what I thought at first? This is how stupid I am. Someone sent me that and I'm like, that fucking idiot put in a time when it was supposed to be reps. And then it was actually in real time when I was on the, and I was gonna tell you guys that. Then in real time as I'm looking at it, I'm like, oh fuck. I put in reps because I didn't finish the workout. Like, so I'm in a whole different category of being judged. Yeah, never mind. I don't want to see him then. Yeah. Fucking break my heart. I don't know how old he is. I don't know how old he is

Can't tell he's got so much semen on his face he fucking looks like he's 12 He's got that fucking skin soft All right This one kind of this one really blows me away. I've cracked the code on If you if you lose you should hundred percent go the route of the victim Yeah, let's work on the script for that sympathy fuck from Haley. Yeah, probably Hey, um, I cracked the code on women

This is how you guys get equality. You guys want equality? All you have to do is deflate your tits. This is a... this woman's fucking Instagram is her topless everywhere. Think of the message this sends. If you... look, look at this. Look at this. Look at this. So if you want to show your titties... that's a girl, right? Who had her titties deflated? Look at this. So if you want to show your titties, that's a girl right? Who had her titties deflated?

Look it. So if you deflate your tits you can show them on IG. Look at that. I can't believe, I thought for sure I was going to get that comment pulled off. Can you fucking believe this account? This account is this girl just endlessly topless everywhere. Unless this is a dude that turned into a girl, but I think this is a girl that had her titties chopped off. Now she's so excited that she gets to show her shit. Is this wild? So this is the message.

Pat Lang, I know you have daughters. So if the, oh wait, what is this? My guess is 99% of actual trans people, I guess it's 99% of actual trans people hate this kind. Well, the people at Instagram love her. So you can chop your titties off. Hey, and you know why she chopped her titties off, right? Not so she could win Wimbledon.

She chopped off her tits so that guys wouldn't be attracted to her because she's scared of guys Because of something some guy did to her Who thinks I'm wrong who wants to fight in the comments who thinks I'm wrong Anyway, if you want if you want to show your tit I crack the code for all the women who want equality Very simple chop chop off your titties. It's sad she gets validation from others. She chopped off her tits because she's an idiot. Seve is right for once, thank you.

Throw enough shit at the wall, something will stick. I'm curious how big they were. Me too. Oh, let me, I'll scroll around. That's great, that's great. I wonder how big they were too. Oh yeah, there's some footage of I think there's Damn I'm going way back

Looks like our scars are actually getting better. It's just crazy. That's what you have to do as a woman to be topless on the internet, you have to chop your tits off. Not the internet, on Instagram. All she did was deflate her tits and then you get to show them. Doesn't something about that just not seem right? I don't know what the solution is, but that's all that we're saying, right? This is still a girl and then she deflated them and now she gets to see her scar and now she gets to show them. Hey, look at me. It's a trip.

We'll see. What if they were just giant fucking Melonious D's? I'm so far back now and I still don't. I wonder, will those grow back? I Don't know man, I don't know if we're ever gonna see him I am so far back now Is there there should be a button where you can just push it and it takes you back to someone oh Now I can see it now. Oh shit Her and her friend did it Wow, this is fucking crazy

This is nutty what world of I Seve you have bigger tits than her Chop them off adjust hot they them shit. Oh my goodness. Fascinating. God life must be such a- be thankful man if you have a simple life. What a fucking struggle. What could- I wouldn't want any surgery. Uh oh I think I think maybe I found them. I Think maybe I found them I think maybe I found them. Okay, so they were they were just nice. They were just nice little titties She didn't well, she didn't have anything crazy done. I mean, it's still crazy. Don't get me wrong. I She didn't have anything crazy done. I mean, it's still crazy. Don't get me wrong. I

Wonder if you can donate tits like you can donate hair. Oh shit is this Help Stevie chop off their tits Holy shit. She did a fucking go fund me to chop off her tits. This is insane. Oh my god. It gets worse. It does get worse? Or you're saying it gets worse? I'm gonna start to go find me to chop my dick off

Oh my goodness Can't what happened to the days when girls just drew grew armpit hair? Why can't you just grow armpit hair? Why not just on some armpit hair? Oh my god, she's so pretty too. What a fucking disaster. All right. What a fucking disaster All right I'll leave her alone

Hope she finds peace Or something not even peace fun. I pay for I'd rather pay for you to get fake tits. Oh You better ask Kaylee first Yeah, uh garrett. Um listen man. Listen. No you listen. Are we gonna get binge bros or not? Yeah, uh friday Tomorrow, uh, i'm gonna watch the crossfit games documentary today. I'm gonna buy it on itunes I'm gonna watch the so this is i'm going to I showed you an affiliate video I had a doctor on that talked about sugar and healthy lifestyle i'm gonna do the open with john w distinguished gentleman from retard Ville John Wooley and

I'm gonna watch the CrossFit Games documentary and Tomorrow I'm gonna have David check on in the morning. He's the director of the CrossFit Games doc director and producer And Then tonight He's the director of the CrossFit Games doc director and producer And Then tomorrow night I'll do the Benji Rose tomorrow night Saturday night I'm going to a big party in Santa Cruz And Tom going to big party in Santa Cruz And, uh, Toronto going to big party in Santa Cruz. Uh, and there's going to be so many libtards there. It's going to be interesting.

And I was thinking about actually, I asked my wife if she could make this. She laughed at me. Charcuterie Trump. Um, have you ever seen that charcuterie trump board? That image of it? This isn't a very good one. But I was thinking my wife could make this. Maybe I might have to make this.

I was thinking about bringing this to the party. That can't be that hard, right? That can't be that hard to make. What do I need? I was gonna use black olives instead of... Oh shit, dude, look at this one. Holy shit. Holy shit. Oh my God.

I was thinking about using black olives instead of blueberries. black olives instead of blueberries. Do lib friends have do the lib friends you have that aren't into CrossFit listen? No, dude, listen, this, I'm starting to realize this show is so fucking over the top. I didn't realize it but not but when I see comments and shit just around the internet or stuff people say like like this is the good this is the for some reason some people think this show is like so over the top and they're they're terrified of it I think in some groups I'm viewed as grotesque even you know like the mask wearing seventh booster crowd. They're glad the UnitedHealthcare CEO was killed. That crowd finds me vile.

Oh, you did make the NFL guy listen. Oh, good. Good. He should listen I think I could do this You think it's harder than it looks I don't think I don't even think most people would note it. Oh, I didn't oh shit. I didn't share the screen. Oh shit. I made it big Sorry, sorry this Fuck that makes me hungry

All right. I went to the butcher yesterday and I bought seven rib eyes. What do you think the chances are I'm going to go out into the kitchen? There's going to be one on the stove for me. All right. Thanks guys for hanging in there. Thank you to the David Weed, Ken Walters, Heidi Krum, Gustavsling, Matt Burns, Judy, Judy Reid, Kathleen, Brianna, Clock, Jonathan Ortega, Miss Elise Carr-Reedow, Mason Mitchell, Jethro Cardona, Dale King,

Ken Walters, Joseph Ramirez, Rodney Troyer, Pat Lang, 12 Daily Doses. Thank you to all 12 daily doses. Thank you to all of you. I would say Thursday. Last night I almost came on late night and did a show on the UFOs or the drones. Maybe I'll do that tonight. Tomorrow though, don't forget, watch the Cross the Games documentary today. I'll talk to you soon. Bye bye.