The Sevan Podcast - Greg Glassman | Let's Start With The TRUTH #937

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

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Hey. Manny Spiegel. I listened to J.R. Howell last night and The Thumb and Will Branstetter they're doing a good job with their show dude that show is going to get so good I was on I actually spent a bunch of time on the phone yesterday

with Taylor and with J.R. trying to I want them to do other other stuff besides programming too like why not just do an entire show on like hey what makes a uh what makes a big man workout what makes a little man workout who should try to be a professional crossfitter are they really professional athletes to be a professional crossfitter. Are they really professional athletes?

It's kind of weird to do an entire show. Try to do an entire show with a live call-in when the phone is still wonky. But maybe this morning it'll be perfect. If not, that's what it is. The Bun is back. Yeah, it is. J. If not, that's what it is. The Bun is back. Yeah, it is.

J.R. Sabre and Kelly, J.R.'s tooth at the start was gold. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen the show. I watched like five minutes of it. Good morning, Stephen Blacksmith. Mike Arturian. Good morning. Jeez Louise. Good morning.

Good morning. Savonistas. Bruce Wayne, dude, I'm loving the new thumbnails. Thanks for making those adjustments. Oh, you just made me remember. I'm going to try this peptide thing, I think, to try to heal my arm. Andrew Hiller, when he was here, worked on my arm, and my arm feels significantly better. And now I'm going to try this peptide thing.

I'm kind of excited about it. Finally, something that California Hormones, I want to try. hormones i i want to try but i think i think you just uh i think i think you just squeeze the spot where her i'm gonna have to figure it out i shouldn't speculate but anyway i'm excited i'm gonna see if i can film it too when i do it someone was like aren't you scared to put a needle in yourself i'm like no i'm not a pussy uh seven getting on hemorrhoids no no no goodwill racing not even close it It's, um, I'll know more. I'm speaking out of turn now, but I'll know more. Um, uh, I'm putting on my toe spacers. They're not a sponsor. They should be a sponsor. I'm drinking my paper street coffee.

They are a sponsor, a great sponsor. More than a sponsor, really. A friend. I would say I would consider Gabe a friend, and I would consider the California Hormones people friends. The California Hormones people came out for Greg's broken science thing. That was cool. Very cool. It's weird when this whole world of people collides, right?

You got the California Hormones people there. You got Greg there. You got Justin Medeiros' parents there. You got Mike there. It was crazy. So many people there. Packed house. Standing room only.

I saw some of the video from that event, too. It looks fucking amazing. Yeah, California peptides. I saw, I saw, come, come, it is in an insulin syringe. I don't, I'm not sure what that means, but it basically, it comes, it's a vial with some powder I saw, and then they send you some like liquid that i'm assuming is like sterile water and you mix the two and then you shoot it into the spot that's injured

yeah yeah that's what it is thank you george god so i'm glad someone knows bpc 157 i think that's what um i heard uh the california peptidesides doctor and Andrew talking about. I think that's what I'm going to stick in there. It says it works wonders. Yeah. Oh, Paulina was there. Yeah, that was cool. I got to hang with Paulina.

It's really weird that some people can only wear these for five minutes, these toe spacers. I can only wear these for five minutes. These toe spacers. I can only imagine. I mean, I'm barefoot 90% of the day anyway. Maybe that's why they don't bug me. I can wear them for hours. I can probably

sleep in them. I just like to put them on so that they're on for two hours during while I do the show. They are starting to smell funky. They are starting to smell a little funky. Oh, I'm trying to get Hunter McIntyre on. His schedule is crazy.

I'm going to try to get him on later today oh here um home phone probably but I'm open but whatever you prefer I sent him a new headset

for Greg to try to get the audio better. But he's in a spot. His current house, there's no Wi-Fi out there. It's out in the middle of nowhere. What kind of shoes do you wear when you aren't barefoot? I wear Victos.

I wear these Victos shoes. The toe box is massive. It's massive. I don't want to say it's... No, my fingers smell good. I just got out of the shower. I feel crisp, Olivia. I smell crisp.

What do your fingers smell like? Heidi, does Greg have his nipples pierced? I will ask him. I will ask him. I have seen his nipples. I can't remember the last time i've seen him but i've seen them and um i don't remember them trying to think last time i saw greg's nipples we must have been swimming somewhere probably in arizona i don't ever remember. He's not, he's definitely not a tattoo and nipple Pierce,

um, general mutilation kind of guy. I'm great. I'm absolutely fabulous. I'm, I was kind of tripping. Um, thanks for asking Magnus. I was kind of tripping cause I haven't done a live calling show in forever, but it's kind of, it's kind of nice not doing those two. I've been loving the guests. Um, I, I loved having Ezra, uh, outer hold on. I loved having Ezra Adderhold on. I enjoyed having Kelly Baker on. You know what she said? She said some shit that kind of stuck in my head, though, that's like the thing about cursive.

I just so disagree with her that cursive isn't necessary. And even if something's not necessary because you won't be using it, I don't think that's a reason not to do it. I think that's a horrible argument. You don't need to eat healthy because you can get insulin. You don't need to birth your child because you can get a C-section. I can think of a million things that that's just not a good reason. And I can think of a million reasons why it would be so important to have that practice,

even if you never used cursive. Just for actually for the skill of... And manipulating a pencil is huge in the development of a child. Huge. It's like crawling. If you don't teach someone how to use a pencil early in life, it can be... Their shit can be fucked up later.

And you've seen people who write all fucked up, right? Like they don't know how to hold a pencil like this. So same with riding a bike and balance and things like that. Things to learn early. Hey, no one needs to crawl early either. Like no one needs to crawl. You can just go straight from being born to your parents carrying you around to walking. But those kids that don't learn how to crawl, even though you're never going to use it in life later on, they are fucked up. 100%. There's no exception.

You can spot them. You can spot them. You can put them through a few simple tests and be like, yep, that person probably didn't crawl. Strong correlate to a lot of fucked up shit. Doing math in your head and not knowing information isn't necessary because we all carry smartphones. Yeah, mr helping same same same helping same same yeah great example um but you know what i was shocked an educator said that but she was

me too i was shocked too but she doesn't have kids and um you kind of you she's um she's kind of programmed i saw this i saw this meme right the other day and it said would you rather have a doctor talk to you about um for the 49ers or a mom who has a child that she's super concerned about who's done all the research and read all the the the the inserts on all of the uh 49ers when they come to you, right? You know the doctors have never read any of those inserts and everything that they learned was from pharma. And it's like, yeah, I'd much rather hear from the mom than the medical

doctor who is programmed by pharma to make a living pushing their shit. So, Seve, but they're using all their fingers playing video games and texting. Right. Thank you. David Weed Kelly said it best you're just old yeah i i think um i think that both can be true i think i can be right and i can be uh just old yeah the crawling analogy thanks yeah i mean there was someone on on the show recently and they were telling me a story about their kid.

And I just straight up said, hey, your kid didn't crawl, right? And they said, yeah, that's right. I said, yeah, I know. And that person actually was a doctor. Sevan's Bun, I'm waiting for the first doctor to attempt to talk to me about the 49ers. That will be entertaining. I told you I went to the doctors a few weeks ago, right, and what they said to me. You need this shot and this shot. I can tell by your history. You haven't been in here since you've been 44 years old,

and you need this shot. And I said, no, thank you. And his response was, but it's free. But it's free. You might as well get it. It's free. but it's free you might as well get it it's free yeah and and that was the other uh jay magic that was the other thing right the other argument um the beautiful and intelligent and eminently capable kelly baker said was uh

do you really want to spend an hour teaching your kids cursive when they're every day for a year when they're never going to use it? And I did push back on this. As opposed to what? As opposed to teach them what? I would rather you not talk to my kid about who they are and their identity. and whether they want to be the Sasquatch or a tiger and just teach them cursive so that they can build their own identity through some skill that they learned.

Oh, I like stories like this. Q Johnson. I just went to the doctors and she said I was due for four different shots and when I declined, she said, yeah, I wouldn't either. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Wow. She said, yeah, I wouldn't either. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Q Johnson, I see your profile pic. You a rock climber or you're on mushrooms? Which one? Is that Yosemite? Is that water coming down that?

You're praying. You got baptized. You're praying to the lord uh sebastiano we miss brian in your shoes and the other gents stealing your shows we miss brian in your shoes and the other gents stealing your shows i don't understand but um do you fuck you know what i don't know if i crawled Um, fuck, you know what? I don't know if I crawled. Asshole.

I have to assume I did. That's a great question. I don't know. I'm super duper duper, uh, coordinated and athletic for someone who has no fucking, who is just a kid who watched TV. Like I can just do like, I never had problems squatting below parallel or doing thrust. All the CrossFit shit was so easy to teach me. Once I could finally do a pull up in my twenties and all that, like I move good. I move really great. But, but, but I was just a fucking chubby kid to watch TV. Like I was proud if I could get in 14 hours of TV a day. No joke. No exaggeration.

I don't know. I'll ask my mom that. I could call her now and ask her. Want me to? See what she says? I've never called her. I don't think I've ever called her on the show before. I don't know if she's going to like this.

Stand by. I haven't ever called she's going to like this. Stand by. I haven't ever called my mom, right? I hope Greg doesn't call when I'm calling my mom. Maybe my mom won't even answer. She might not like this, I'm telling you. And I'm a bit of a mama's boy still. Not a bit. A lot.

Oh, it's weird. It's not ringing. Did you guys hear me dial? It's not ringing for some reason. Maybe I'll have to call her on my phone. It says calling. You all don't't know but she's actually pissed already she's pissed i don't know if she's really pissed hello mom hello hello okay fine i'll call her i'll call her on my phone.

That was weird that... Shit, I'm nervous now that I'm going to have phone problems. Here we go. She might be watching the show and know and not answer. Hello? Hi, I'm live on the air. What? I'm live on the air. Why are you calling?

Did you see that other number call and you purposely didn't answer? Yeah. I'm in the middle of a workout. Okay, sorry. Did I crawl? Yes. Okay. I'm going to talk more about that later today.

I love you. Bye. Okay, bye. Bye. She's working out. Listen, I went to a chicken pox party, and I told my mom about it, and she doesn't even remember. She doesn't even remember, but I remember. I remember going to the chicken pox party. We lived in some apartments in Walnut Creek, some condos or something. the chicken pox party it was in uh we lived in some like apartments in walnut creek some condos or something is greg coming on or are you clickbaiting us and then and then you you

have the laugh emoji i got i really don't like the laugh emoji hey listen i'm doing he texted me this morning said how how would he like me how me? How would I like him to come on using what device? I'm in no rush. Oh, I need to pull up the notes. I'm going to open up with asking Greg about cursive. Hey, dude, what do you think about teaching kids cursive? I know. Isn't it crazy?

My mom does sound young. She's not young. She doesn't have old lady voice yet. It's a trip. I kind of trip on that. Like when's her voice going to turn to old lady voice? Oh, you didn't hear her? We didn't hear her? You didn't? Well, I held the phone up near the mic. I don't know. When did you live in? What's crazy? When did you live? What's crazy? I don't know. Crazy chopping your penis off is crazy. I don't know. Thinking you're a dog is crazy. Not, um, not valuing your health. You know how great it is to wake up every morning and be fucking healthy. Holy shit. Oh, good. You guys all heard it.

Oh, good. You guys all heard it. I live in Walnut Creek. Oh, here we go. Let's see if the phone works. Hey, good morning. Greg. Seth Moe, what's up? Oh, shit, it's working.

My phone's been kind of trippy. I tried to some of my um equipment and shit's gotten a little sideways but you sound great yeah i'm on the house phone let's see how it lasts my experience is that like whether it's cell or home it's blinky for me and i get two or three really good minutes are you are you anything Are you in your office? Yeah. It's because you're off the beaten path, right? I mean, you're significantly off the beaten path, your place. My house?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's four houses on a two-mile road. Yeah, and back there in those four houses, is there 1,000 acres back there that those four houses share, or how many? I don't know. It's a good chunk of land. Yeah. It's enough that I think if it catches on fire, we might all be fucked.

That's true. I hear him trying to say something positive about it, and you're right. You have an escape route, though, right? You have like two or three escape routes? Yeah, I do. Yeah, and a handful of vehicles that can do it. And we can do it on foot. Yeah, that's crazy.

I don't think that's going to happen, though. Does it get drier? I guess it does get pretty dry back there in the summer. You know, I don't know,'s going to happen, though. Does it get drier? It doesn't get – I guess it does get pretty dry back there in the summer. You know, I don't know, but we'd be in a great position to see and the escape is close and just kind of up a small hill and then down. If it was coming from the other direction, it could go the other way, whether it was on foot or in car. Hey, what's the biggest threat out there where you're at?

Mountain lion, fire, earthquake? Definitely not flood. At a mountain lion and fire, what do you think is the bigger threat? You know, I look if you're hiking or mountain biking, you probably have a different risk profile than someone who's sitting around the chimney, right? Right, right. I don't know. Hey, when,

when I'm at your house and the kids are playing at the top of the driveway and it's night and I can't see them, I'm not going to lie. I think of mountain lions every time I'm there. Well, because I saw that dismembered deer one time at the top of your driveway. Yeah. And you could get got that way without a doubt. And when I, and when I, yeah i take dogs and stuff yeah and when i pee but you know that those olive trees that line your driveway when i go over there and pee at night i worry about my own safety i mean a little bit do you ever do that do you ever get like like i feel like a little kid again like i'm in my bedroom thinking the boogeyman's gonna get me i'm like

fuck a mountain lion could just come up the side of the hill right here and grab me and no one would know. You know, dude, I'm a little bit of the other bent. I've been told that if you'll go out at 4 a.m. and just kind of walk that loop here that's in my neighborhood, you're going to see big cats.

Do you have any fear of it? I couldn't get anyone to do it with me. Oh, you were going to do it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I thought you said, oh, yeah, okay. I think I remember that, too. I think I remember you trying to get some of the Robinsons to do it with you, right?

In fact. Yeah, and you were like, hey, I'll bring a gun, don't worry. Yeah, we all should have one. Did you see that thing that happened in Syria? Sorry, in France? I don't know, today, a few hours ago? Syrian refugee with a knife fucking went into a kid's playground? Oh, it's fucking horrible, dude. Horrible.

It's a crazy worst-case scenario. And the headline that I saw said, make sure you... This is why guns should be legal. Basically, someone with a knife fucking lit up a playground full of kids. A Syrian refugee. I hate to blame it on Syrians.

Syrians are good people, but fuck. That's what the headline said. Yeah, amazing. Hey, I had this guest on yesterday, Greg, and they were a school teacher for seven years. And they told me that – I was like, can you believe they don't teach cursive in some schools? And she told me it's not needed and that I'm just old. And I'm just struggling to accept that. I mean, I'm typically part of that traditionalist thing.

I don't have strong feelings on it and don't really promote it, use it, teach it, nor did I really learn it. You didn't cursive? Yeah, I mean, I can do it, but it looks like it did when I was learning to do it. Right. But I could think of a bunch of reasons why you need to do it but it looks like it did when i was learning to do it right but i could think of a bunch of reasons why you could need to do it practically you just need to learn how to sign your name um and there's got to be some sort of stimulus you know we don't crawl anymore right but that's you don't want your kids to miss that phase of life of crawling right i don't think that yeah i mean i understand i hear those arguments and And my thought is I wonder if that's true

About crawling? About the Curse of being somehow The brain hand connection Being fed something Deliberate and important Via that particular vehicle And I'm not

I don't reject it Have you ever met anyone who didn't learn how to hold a pencil properly at a young age and then as they get older fucking left-handed person i know including myself oh really look at how we hold the pencil it's all fucking upside down and backwards and shit we're just trying to keep from smearing or not being or blocking what we're writing oh the fact that our convention moves us left to right is a blessing for you right-handed people. For left-handed people,

we have to write like we've got arthritis. The hand curls over you, you're forming like 270 fucking degrees of arc with your arm and hand so you can see what's going on. Let's just start with that. I wonder if there's a, a different subset of injuries.

Also the left. That's what makes left-handed people so fucking sharp. The way we have to hold the fucking pencil. Are they, is there some sort of data on that? Left-handed people are smarter, got a higher IQ. I,

you know, I have all the left-handed people call in. I don't know. You said left-handed day and right handed day. I might have left handed privilege. Right. Another thing is, is that another argument, one of the arguments was is like, hey, there's a better way to spend an hour of your day during school. I would go there. But the thing is this, they're not. They're not, right? So in the hierarchy of dumb shit being done at schools, it can't be very high on that list.

I mean, as opposed to... Yeah, I'm not opposed to it. I thought you'd have my back more. You're not afraid of evolution of things moving forward as much as I am, I think. Did you like that part of school? No. No. No. I did not like that part of school. Uh, no, no, no, no.

I did not like that part of school. Sit around the table and they hand you the brown piece of paper and you trace the dotted letters. I like sitting with those other kids, but I was not good at it. I was not good at cursive. But I'm so glad I know it. I'm so glad I know it. Yeah, I know it. I'm so glad I know it. I use it. I mean, I use it every day because I take notes here when

I'm doing the podcast. Without it, I feel naked. Did you see any of Trump's thing on CNN? No, I cannot watch that guy. I understand. Did you see any of Pence's? Pence

went on there. Listen, I'm probably going to have to vote for him, so I certainly don't want to have to watch him before that. It'd just make it even harder. And why do you say that? You're probably going to have to vote for him. Because

he against Biden is an easy Trump. I have to vote for him? Because he against Biden is an easy Trump. I have to hold my nose and vote for Trump. There's no way Biden makes it to the election, right? I have no idea. I just can't insurance companies and say, yeah, he'll make it that far Which what The primaries

Or the general General The general Yeah Wow I You know those videos Where they show like

The marathon runner And they're like 500 yards From the finish line And they're like They're crawling And they're standing up And they're wobbling You're stumbling with three more miles yeah i i feel like biden's in that phase of

his life that's sad holy shit oh and what about any of the other guys what about uh de santos or pence or what about the guy who's running the Democrat guy who your acquaintance is with, Kennedy? Yeah, I like RFK Jr. I think he's a good guy. I think he's an honest man. And he and I had similar views of sugar that we do oddly on COVID. And so, you know what they say about politics and bedfellows. But I have immense respect for him. Because none of this has been easy for him, which is funny to me. But he's a good guy.

And I've supported DeSantis and continue to. But if, you know, if he can't crack enough support to win the primary, it's obvious what I have to do. Do you think that if Trump goes against Biden, Trump wins the election? I guess that's a two-part question. I don't have a strong sense of that.

I don't have a strong sense of that. My crystal ball is pretty foggy. And even if he did win, there would be... I would have told you, Seve, I would have told you where we're at is impossible. And so I don't take my word on predictions. And when you say where we're at is impossible, what do you mean by that? I mean, I have my own thoughts on it, of course. You know, culture...

you know, culture, uh, um, foreign relations, pick your pick. Like an example, like our border. Oh yeah.

Our border. Give you an example. I would have never inflation, right? I would have never thought that a boy could go at a high school could say he's a girl go into a girl's bathroom sexually assault a girl get transferred to another school do the same thing be a boy go into the girl's restroom because he's a girl and rape a girl there and then when the dad protest at the town hall meeting he got arrested i that is the kind of shit that i can't believe that i'm seeing in headlines

and he's being called transphobic that's the kind of shit i'm just like flabbergasted and had the school board hidden the fact yes correct all all that it's and that was in part of what inspired what would be the father's obvious outrage otherwise even but it was all exacerbated by the fact that the school board had hidden the thing which made his daughter the victim right right it's fucking nuts that that's the kind of shit that's happening every day that I'm just like, holy shit, what the fuck is going on? Hey, do you have thoughts on that? I know we've talked about – I know you're homeschooling your kids. We've talked about that.

We've talked about – is there any – is there – are you a – I've become a little extreme obviously, but I'm like a pull your kids out of school by any means necessary. a little extreme, obviously, as you know, but I'm like a pull your kids out of school by any means necessary. I mean, yeah, you know, I understand people that come to that conclusion and make accommodations in their life and work schedule, jobs. I understand that emotion.

But I wouldn't wreck a kid's life or your own over it, I don't think. And look, here's where I'm coming from. For me, the pressure was inexorable and constant. I had other things going on and wasn't looking for the challenge exactly. And so I put my kids in the best schools that we could and we had outstanding schools available to us and involved getting up at 6 a.m to hound them out of the sack so that they could eat and brush their teeth and gather their homework which was an endless process and stuff all the books in the bag and get in the car so i could get in the drop-off queue. And this would start at 6, and I would be back home at 8, 8.15.

And we'd do the same thing again at 3 o'clock, but this time they've got to get out of uniform and get a snack because of what's going on next. Tutors, why? Because they're not learning enough at the best schools in the country. So we got tutors coming. That's basically do the homework session. And then because the PE wasn't worth shit,

now we're off to jujitsu or whatever else, gymnastics. And so now I've got seven, eight-year-olds at 12-hour days, 13-hour days, late dinners or rush dinners, and then what's next and and i was compensating for all of that we could fill it in piano teacher comes today you know you made it work made a lot of life happen on weekends and for me the final straw was you've all be and i was driving towards san diego from here was kids' last day of school. I was thinking of all the things we can compensate for, all the cultural and social, and this is from the best schools,

from the best schools, all the things that aren't fair. And you know what? I'm not blaming the schools. It's really that 35 on 1 or 30 on one or 20 on one. The kids can make sure they can control the pace at which they learn. It's one on two, the thing I got going, one on three with mine, I'm totally in control of the pace at which they learn. But anyways, the thing that I couldn't compensate for

was something insane going on in the classroom and the public officials across the board unable to do anything about it. Unwilling to do anything about it. In many cases, afraid to do something about it. In many cases, acting heroically. But what a gamble. You can play the odds all you want you know not you not you but once you've thought about it and realized it I think it changes for you

when it does happen if it happens we you and I both that's my rant on that that was in but now the follow up is the follow up is what was an act of this desperation of I can't send my kids in there again. I can't do it. Became the most liberating thing

in two and a half hours a day. We shoot for six days a week. We hit about four and a half days a week. But at that pace we're doubling the K-12 national four and a half days a week. But at that pace, we're doubling the K-12 national pace. Yeah, doubling. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's fun too. Maybe that's why.

Sometimes, I'm not going to lie to you, sometimes when I'm around your kids, I question whether it's because you're a good teacher or that they just have that glassman brain because those kids are pretty smart you got you got a good uh what do you think you think it's your teaching or they're just smart kids thanks i think we all kind of come out of the box pretty much the same equipment. You have a big head, right? You have a giant head? Yeah. And your son has a giant head.

He might. And he's smart as shit. You think head size has anything to do with how smart you are? No. You don't think it means you have a larger brain in there? I don't know. I've never really given much thought to that. I heard Einstein's brain weighed more than the average brain significantly. Anyway, it's worth questioning.

It's worth questioning. You and I have a friend who pulled their kid out of a very popular private school in our area that actually I think your kids may have went to because she didn't like the curriculum being taught there, that even that place had been invaded. And I've heard nothing but great shit about that. You know who I'm referencing who just pulled their kids out of there? Yeah, I think I do. Yeah. You know who I'm referencing who just pulled their kids out of there? Yeah, I think I do. Hey, look, it's funny.

The state of Arizona has a list of things. It's very, very fluid. You can basically homeschool on any basis. But they've got a list of things they'd like you to cover by broad, you know, label. Like social sciences. And I laugh and go, well, that's easy. They're not sciences and they're fundamentally fruitless. And as much energy as you put into them, you're probably wasting time. Check.

Yeah, we covered social sciences in 10 seconds. What else you got? We're just doing qualitative and quantitative reasoning. My kids are going to be able to read anything and write forcefully about it, write intelligently about it, and be able to have the rudiments of computational skills. I'm talking about some calculus and a little bit of differential equations, but any kid can do that. You can nudge anyone along the line to that. By the time they're 17, 16

years old, it's a long time. It's a lot of nudging. You teach them how to diagram sentences. Here's what we're not going to do. We're not going to sit around and memorize the capitals of the states. We're not going to do that. Maybe take a walk on cursive writing. And maybe we'll get back from the piano or violin what's missing in making the pretty curlicues on the page. Maybe not. I really don't know.

Going back to the social sciences, can you give me an example of that when you say the social sciences? Well, I like to look at my replication crisis. those things that touted themselves as sciences, have a large corpus of published material that won't replicate. I don't have an admission. It's not my accusation. Right, right, right. Anyone who doesn't know what the replication crisis is, I didn't even make the name up. Look it up. That's what I did. And fully supported by some of the premier CEOs and editors of the largest journals in the world.

Also saying, oh, we have a problem. Yeah, yeah. It's the 800-pound gorilla sitting on the fucking couch. And it's a significant problem. You know, we're moving into, we're moving into broken science here. And I just did that talk this weekend and I realized on some very sobering level that, you know, is it my fate to have to explain P values to people for the rest of my

fucking life? Cause I feel somewhat grim. And I remembered laughing at my father and us sitting there laughing at him trying to talk to us about p values in madison wisconsin what six seven years ago remember that yep i do remember how that inconceivably unbearably boring that was. Let's be honest. I mean, I looked at it, I thought it was funny. I think people were falling asleep.

People we have a lot of respect for. And I, you know, I could blame him, but now it's my turn, and I feel like I'd put me to sleep. Yeah, P-values are tough. P-values are a tough one to make the crowd's attention. Yeah. Well, I'd put this out there for anyone that cares.

You start with Gerd Gigerenzer. You can pull off the internet several of three or four papers he's written on statistics and p-values. And I found it the same way. I heard Matt Briggs saying Gigerenzer in a YouTube thing. And I'm like, Gigerenzer? How the fuck would you spell that? And it was just like it sounds, found it, bingo and anyone can read that material and

you know getting people to I don't know, it's hard to do have you read it yet? No any of Gerd's stuff? Oh yeah, I've read something of his I remember when you first pointed him out to me

let me say this and then you tell me if I'm right or wrong, the basic, the reason why Yeah, I've read something of his. I remember when you first pointed him out to me. Let me say this, and then you tell me if I'm right or wrong. The reason why you need to know about p-values is because p-values are the scam that's used to basically push papers through as legit. Is that big picture? The protocol? They are contrary to any logic or math that supports the reality of p-values. They are almost universally implicated in something that looks like validation for the alternative hypothesis on the paper to which they're attached. That's a mouthful, right? attached that's a mouthful right yeah they're used they're used um nearly universally to imply some validation to the to this to the study to which they're attached and they they bring to that

nearly none so it's a validation method that's used across the board in all the sciences that brings no validation. You lean on people and what you get them to say, and this has kind of been well documented. We know what the answers are, but the common impressions are all false. And they also imply something or outright state something that isn't true. And that's the problem. All of the statements that suggest that they determine that the p-value is the probability that the null hypothesis is true or false, or the alternative hypothesis, which should be the experimental hypothesis, that that's true or false. All of those statements are false. It doesn't provide

that probability. And Gergerenzer's work exposes that. Very strongly. And there's a case over at Max Planck. And his message has been unchanged for 20 years on the subject. And he's not a lone voice. There are others. But that's a great entree.

It's a good place to start. Now, the problem with P-Values is approaching 100 years old in terms of its recognition and people that have formally said something about it. And it's got names like Dirty Little Secret. It's a fascinating story, but it is the reality. And yet it's universally accepted at academic institutions across the planet as validation. Look at papers that do law hypothesis significance testing and report their p-values.

And ask yourself, what is it about the paper that is actually science? Is there a novel hypothesis of a predicted observable? And after this weekend, is it your life is it is this your life now or are you are you still are you still uh flipping that over and over and over you know in terms of the the day-to-day joy of family and kids in terms of intellectual interests or causes, I think this is important. It's bothersome to me that the writers that are most heralded at the New York Times

can without laughter refer to the science. That's how you know it. If you want to hear someone's confused, listen when they talk to you about the science. You got to do it soon because enough people I know are making fun of it with enough gusto that people are going to quit doing it soon. And the value of sharing this with people

and people comprehending this and understanding this and applying it to their day-to-day observations of the world around them is to set them free from fucking basically being manipulated. Yes. It's another tool in the

discernment. It's a hope. I mean, but, you know, I'm not an end point guy. This is a very important truth, I think. The failures of academic science and consensus science, what's happened is that the validation phase that's so important to the science behind technology science, where you actually have deliverables where you're producing things like iPhones and satellites. That science requires that your model obtains its value, its goodness from its predictive strength.

And in the academic science, rather than predicting an observable, what you see is a hypothesis that's kind of suggested in the intro and then an experiment done that is presumed

to test that around which a null effect is assumed in a p-value calculated against the statistic of your choosing and the larger the sample size the lower the p-value um almost paradoxically the whole thing's a scam both things are scam and ultimately all it references is the probability of the data when they even refer to it in literature. People actually write with a thing you're really after.

Yeah, the thing you're really after is the probability of the hypothesis. The thing that actually gets called the alternative hypothesis. That's the only thing that matters. And what matters is the probability of it. And it needs to be a prediction in the form of a forecast of a measurement where you give a host of

conditions that are facts that you project to the future as a forecast of a measurement where you're going to say that another fact will look like this. Ta-da. And replacing that with key values isn't the same.

And the question this answers here, I'm going too long. It is boring. It is boring. The question that it answers is, why won't this stuff replicate? And I maintain that it ultimately matters because medicine is afflicted with this epistemic debasement. We know this for a fact. There's a couple of comments here.

The best knowledge we have. Sorry to step on medical topics like oncology and hematology and the failure in the Begley-Ellis paper of all but 11% of science replicator, 11 studies of, what were the numbers? It's sickening. I'm really good at forgetting it. I'll look it up, but it is sickening. It's the Begley Amgen? Begley and Ellis, yeah. Begley was the Amgen guy.

Begley and Ellis was at University of Texas. And you had them out to eat. You had spoke with Ellis on the phone, had some great conversations, and vaguely we actually had a common connection through

Jim Jordan and Michael Shank, which was mind-blowing. Oh, wow. But we had mutual friends. In 2012, Amgen researchers made headlines when they declared that they had been unable to reproduce the findings of 47 of the 53 landmark cancer papers. Those papers were never identified partly because of confidentiality concerns. So basically the foundation of cancer science, 47 of the 53 papers are unable to be reproduced. Holy shit. Yeah. So it was six of 53, right? my 11 okay right sir yep yep yep six and then the

neighborhood then okay that's what i thought god it's worse than i thought it's worse than i thought i thought wow it's bad enough to wipe it out of your mind once you get hold of it because where it takes you immediately is to your oncologist maybe maybe quite scientific in the way she approaches her work and brings all the force of science to bear on the craft, but the craft itself is derived from something that you can't call science. That's what's kind of mind-boggling, painful even. Greg, I want to fall into the weeds here. Bear with me. By the way, we still have to say this.

We still don't know which 47 papers were full of shit. And I understand that one of them has been cited in other research multiple thousands of times. I'm not supposed to say the real number, but it's mind-boggling. It's still a foundational work in hematology and oncology and known to be bullshit. This is crazy. Isn't this like we know someone is killing someone in the room,

but because they told us we're not going to like do anything about it. This is fucking nuts. How do they not? It's like the problems that enter Kansas has with freedom. Now it has with, with, you know, some of what was going on with the NBA partners.

With, with the, whose partners? NBA? China in particular. The behavior, the Chinese behavior and Freedom Cantus and that is named Cantor

Ennis the Celtic basketball player. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The painted shoes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. God, it's fuck. This is fucking nuts. What do you do? So, so this, this kind of goes back to what you started saying when I first met you.

Just soak it in right now. No, no, it's not, but I know it's, it's for, uh, uh,

I know that there's going to be thousands of people who hear this. And so I want to make sure I drive the point home. I've known this for a while. A few, a few in 10 years ago or 15 years ago, 20 years ago when I first met you, you used to beat the horn to the staff. You better take responsibility for your own health because fucking healthcare is not, forget how you used to word it. But you were really concerned about basically Obamacare, about universal healthcare, and about what it was going to do

to the whole level of healthcare for people. And that basically like, hey, you better take care of all the parts you got and not fuck them up. It was concerning to me and still is that the chief aim of the public health arm, let's just go right to the CDC, that their efforts in chronic disease seem to be more aligned with hiding its root causes or ignoring them or finding league with industry that is responsible by their very product and secondarily by their huge uh educational effort american beverage association Pepsi and friends. That behavior in the chronic disease space was so huge.

And I had this underlying kind of back in my mind, assumption of there being a better outfit in terms of acute disease, you know? Yeah. And lo and behold, no. The same people that won't admit why it is that people are obese and have cardiovascular disease and diabetes and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and chronic kidney disease, instead of being honest about it in cancer, instead of being honest about cancer,

instead of being honest about the root causes of these things, it got swept away. And so here in a more acute setting, you get the same kind of behavior. Related to, by the way, of course, right? 100%. I want to play, you can't see the screen, right? No. I want to play, I want to play this clip.

You saw it yesterday for the people at home who are watching. You saw it yesterday. Do you mind if I play this clip of William Briggs, who was speaking at the BSI? Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to – you'll just hear the audio. Let me share the screen here. way that we made that hasn't been put onto the uh web yet this is uh william briggs he spoke after greg yesterday and i think it's uh as i recall pretty poignant to the conversation we're having okay make sure everyone can hear this here we go And if it wasn't, if it, you know, we love science. That's why we're concerned that it's broken. So we're not criticizing all science of all kinds anywhere, nothing like that.

But we are criticizing the recent trend of the increase in broken science. And it's sort of ensconcing broken science as the science. You've heard this many times. Follow the science. Follow the science. I know that's it. Let the science speak. Oh shit. Someone is saying no sound. Well shit.

Yeah, I'm the same here. It's your noise counseling. Hmm. Hmm. How come I can't hear the sound? All right. That might be a failed attempt. That's okay. All right. I'll make another attempt later. Anyway, yeah, okay, okay. I hear you guys. You can't hear it. I apologize. Okay. Hey, Greg, one of the comments here from Jake Chapman is, science needs to be a process, not an answer. Yeah, that makes sense.

Right? Lauren Lewis says, read the book Naked Statistics. Have you heard of that book? Why does that sound familiar? Because you know a lot of books, that's why. I want to pivot here for a second, Greg, and ask you about the origins of the journal.

The CrossFit journal? Yeah. And the reason why is there is a tie-in here. And hopefully we get to it at the end. Can you tell me about your very first idea of of the CrossFit journal going back or the earliest roots or memories like you're laying in bed? You're like, I should write something or. You were writing for a local paper, right, in Santa Cruz already, like. Yeah, that's true

Yep And Yeah, that was Like the dark ages You know, like when stuff went to Like pre-internet, when shit went to the newspaper Yeah, pre-internet newspaper Right?

Yeah I was in the newsroom and someone had lost the dictionary. Misplaced it. Could not find the dictionary. And I rode my bike like eight miles to sit in there and write this fucking thing.

I got my pencil and papers in my backpack. What was the name of the paper? The Santa Cruz Sentinel. So you're in their offices and you need a dictionary and you can't find one? Right. Correct. There's no cell phones, you know? Right.

Emily found some of my articles and I immediately enraged at some of the edits that had been done. Oh, like you hadn't, you hadn't looked back since you wrote them. Yeah. Yeah. But you knew you're like, I didn't write that shit. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they make it, make it change. It was words that was in the kind of in the editor's vocabulary and if it

meant the opposite whatever at least they were she knew the words and and what would these articles what would can you give me an idea of like just one of the articles what it would be about i just um the uh the important thing that happens in a gym with a kid or in a sport with a kid is what I call the transference effect. The physical province is the easiest place both to impart and to receive critical lessons for success. physical space is a valuable precursor to developing that same capacity intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, maybe you might say. That was one. Here's another, how cool it was riding my to to the gym at 5 a.m i'm out at four and you know along the way i'd because i'd kind of keep it residential you know to keep from getting

creamed by the the wonder bread truck you know at 4 30 right um i try and take residential kind of route and you you knew around each corner along the way who was up and who wasn't. There's always a house with a TV on and a kitchen light. And someone's getting ready to go set the world on fire over in Sunnyvale. Kind of cool. On a side note, just to talk about what a shit rag the Santa Cruz Sentinel is when I google them well I googled them

and I put in the name Greg Glassman and it says CrossFit boss quits after leaked call we're not mourning George Floyd it's not a leaked call it's not a leaked call it's not it should just say Greg Glassman

says we're not mourning George Floyd's death. Yeah, well, crazy. Fucking. I was asked specifically if I was mourning his death. Yeah, I know. And I, whereas I suspected he was murdered, I, in particular, me specifically, no, I wasn't in mourning.

Right. And it was anyone at CrossFit. I was i was like no not that i know of looking around it's pretty funny i i don't i don't believe anyone was actually in mourning either except for his mom yeah you know my problem is i know what mourning is and i think you can be i think you could be a homicide detective and make it your life's work to bring righteousness to the extent it's even possible to murder and not to mourn a single one of the victims. Right. It's a different thing, but whatever. I was supposed to bleed for George. Right.

Actually, in the definition here, it says that in conventional mourning, you would need to be wearing black clothes. There's even an outfit. Deep sorrow for someone who has died. Good. Okay. So

is that the origin? By the the way a gentleman here in the chats named eaton beaver uh says hi greg eaton beaver hi greg yeah i remember eating okay um do you uh so going back to so is that the origins of the journal you were writing for this paper no but you you detoured there i I was, you know, I was, I wanted to, to take advantage of, of, uh, we had people doing the workouts, right? We were posting to the net and, uh, and there was a call from some of the same people that had, that had nudged nag demanded that I get a website and put workouts up, wanted a newsletter, wanted material.

So I was creating content for my looming web venture as well. And how often was this? There was a lot of stuff. Look, it was easy when the criteria is let's write those things that if someone had put this in my hands 20 years ago i'd be 20 years further down the road did i have that kind of information it was a hell yeah so the same people they would like i and i remember you had the the client who wanted to take go on the road and he wanted to get the workout. So he said, well, you start a blog and you're like, what the fuck is that?

And you didn't even own a computer. It was pre-blog. It was pre-blog. We just had a HTML website up and I had a medicine ball, a Dynamax ball in my garage. And this fucking shitty, dusty box that Ben had brought over and an amber monitor, you know, the orange monitor and the keyboard sat crossways on this old with a 86 box with the dust bunnies and he kept in the garage. That was the amount of regard the whole enterprise had don't bring that thing in here it's filthy right yeah like a stray cat

and that's in the web the workouts were published to that and so a vehicle delivery vehicle for more information other than sitting on the medicine ball in the garage, the next thought was to email PDF. And that quickly ran afoul of spam stopping services and required we get involved with a subscription-based delivery vehicle.

How often did you send out that PDF? Monthly. And did it start as a newsletter? Yeah, I guess you could call it that. Did it start off as one page? I picked journal, but it was fundamentally a newsletter. But I'll tell you, once I was, you know, once I'm like, listen, get your car out of the fucking garage, throw all this shit away, get some dumbbells, put some rings in the rafters. You need to pull a bar, use that doorway.

I mean, from there and get inside the fridge. I mean, you're off to the races. You've got three, four years of journal articles. Without veering off of some fundamentals that you realized in the box on a fucking weekly basis, if you're slow. Daily, if you're paying attention. Okay, let me pause here and get into some nitty-gritty so you start this um uh this this newsletter journal thing that goes out monthly as a pdf you're sending it i'm guessing via hotmail um uh is it just to people internally in the gym is it um who who are the readers is it just like 30 members it's like you know it was you know, it quickly became a $25 a year, I think, offering.

And then how did people find out about it outside of your gym? I'm not sure. I think we might've given away what is fitness. And that was the second issue. But I remember Lon Kilgore telling me it was that the file numbers associated with that download were in excess of anything that had been done in exercise science. Okay, and I want to bring another here.

When, um, during the history of the journal, do you remember the very first PDF you said doubt what year that was? The first newsletter, first journal. I think it's 2001. Okay. And when was that?

I think, I think that the first seminar, the website, they all kind of happened at once. Okay. So the seminar much kaboom within 18 months, all of them. So in my narrative, the journal articles make up the seminar. But from hearing you speak now, it wasn't exactly like that. It was more like synergy, like a DNA helix.

Like they were growing at the same time around each other. Like a DNA helix, like they were growing at the same time around each other. given the journal articles themselves written the website none of that was seen in my head really is any anything integral to a dynamic process that you'd eventually call a business understood but they they but they were each played a valuable role in dissemination of a message. And I would include in that the affiliate program as well. So you've got, you know, I mean, look, I'm asked to get on a freaking airplane and go across country and talk to a bunch of good boys and girls, you know, law enforcement Academy, a federal agency.

And the, the level one has its pedigree from department of justice guys telling me they're going to come out and learn my method and they won't get it paid for unless they go back with a certification. And so I, that sent me into the stationary store rummaging through a file cabinet looking for a certification blank. I got one with a gold seal.

Right? Yeah. I mean, let's not scrimp here. This is valuable information. I got the one with a gold seal and signed it. Crazy, right? So ask me

where I thought that was going. i didn't want to get caught right right forging a certificate yeah yeah um greg how many and i'm asking you a series of loaded questions because i'm trying to take this somewhere back to broken science how many journal articles were completed before the first seminar do you know could it have happened the other way around the first seminar happened before the first journal article yeah they're going on they're going on simultaneously. They're not unrelated. The seminars started with three days, and I'm going to teach every movement and drop every fact I know about nutrition and exercise, all the valuable shit.

And it was more than anyone could possibly take in. And in some cases, you might have survival issues. It was an overdose. It was like signing up for the games. Like, what's CrossFit again? And you'd walk out into the stadium. The seminar was an overdose. Totally.

Yeah, I remember that. Even when I went there, it was... Yeah, and the big turning point came in Michigan. What year was that? What year? Well, no, it was when it went to two days, but I realized that what we needed to do instead of trying to spew a hundred percent of what we thought was important and hope that you catch 80 or 90 percent of it what we needed to do is distill

our offering to to the 30 percent that you missed it completely if you don't get and expect 85 to 90 percent of that okay okay and it was an overnight improvement and you could feel it you could feel it in the delivery and that and from that point the ups of what is fitness, what is CrossFit, the much dreaded nutrition, all of those are now simultaneously kind of solidifying into standard pieces. Now, while this is going on, I'm still the only one lecturing.

Right. I had set up people, demo girls, and I had to do all the talking and I had people that could lead workouts. But by your second or third workout, I mean, it was, it was a games like schedule, you know, over a weekend, you're going to do six workouts, right? Yep. In front of everyone where we put your score on the board. It was gnarly.

Here's where I'm going with this. Ready? Well, let me ask you one more loaded question first. When you say that just like if 80% of it could stick, if you were to draw a parallel between broken science, the knowledge needed to be armed with the material and broken science, is the p-value part essential? Or could it be if you get 80% of it and that part falls outside and the 20%, you're still good? Essential. percent of it and that part falls outside and the 20 you're still good essential there's there's no way to do this without a trip to to oz and pulling down the curtain and seeing the fucking wizard

and that is no hypothesis significance testing okay you pull that away and there's so much less there okay and and there's, there's critical need. It's not, this isn't just a, this isn't like jigsaw puzzles or Sudoku or Crossword. You know, it's a, there's something at stake here. And what's at stake is the

costs of bullshit science. And what I mean by bullshit science, any science that won't replicate in any critical field. And I'm not talking about theories in psychology or gender studies that may or may not replicate. I'm talking about

oncology and hematology giving cancer and cancer treatments a misleading start I'm just picturing In palatable Lectures I just wrote down three things

You told me about It's Thomas Kuhn right The book that sent One of the book elements Cornerstones of what sent science astray. There's the Daubert versus friar, uh, uh, Supreme court case about disability, uh, for expert testimony. And then the Amgen, just the Amgen situation about replication crisis.

I just hit those three things. Like I've heard you and there's 20, 50, a hundred things like that, that you've sat me down and like, explain to me. Right. And I've heard you explain there's 20, 50, 100 things like that that you've sat me down and like explained to me. Right. And I've heard you explain to other people 20 times. I think each one of those could be a journal article or a lecture. Given by you that over the next two years, we put together 100 of those and assemble this whole thing. And the next thing you know, you have a level one and fucking broken science. And they're fun.

They're fun, exciting things. They're like, it's, it's, um, it's, there's,

there's the jacked, the ripper component in all of them, right? There's all, there's like fucking the, the main characters are gnarly and all those, and all those stories and the narratives. When you speak to fitness groups

and you have a public moment where you ask folks, what's the value of fitness? And what you hear is some rather wonderful, if not

canned and expected answers about health and wellness and you know maybe someone will climb out of the limb and talk about that what i call the transference effect the idea that the physical province is the easiest place to to send and receive critical lessons you get all these different answers right but if you get people to respond anonymously everyone's trying to get laid uh-huh they want to be sexy to look better naked gets all the all the big scores right right and so so i had that always going for me on the CrossFit side of things. And in fact, that's all healthy. It's good on everyone imbued heavily with that concern.

So it's not men will die for points. It's men will die to get laid is the more accurate. It's true. And the points are proxy for that. Okay. But I have similar views of oil paintings and other works of creation. Okay. But, you know, separate from that, what created the disparity, the discrepancy between what was practiced, what was taught, and what is real,

I took advantage of that from whence it came. And discovering from that, saying from those successes, that we couldn't move the ball down the court without addressing some of these other things like obesity and cardiovascular disease and immobility. These are things that are given lip service on CNN and Fox. And we have some answers about in the party line, Mrs. The Essential Points. What's going on here?

And it turns out it's the same disarray, the same affliction that has afflicted fitness has afflicted the health space. And so if you ask what is it that's common to what's wrong in in fitness that is also wrong in health right it's a big jump there from that one to that one and look at everywhere we looked at too i mean from the gatorade hydration fiasco to blah, blah, blah, CrossFit versus NSCA. There's enough here to bring up on 50 different shows and go into indescribable detail. So what emerges is a recognition and finally congeals in this broken science is a recognition that the bulk of academic science is significantly corrupt. Now, and I don't mean corrupt necessarily in the sense of Coke paid for that study and it's bullshit because there's a lot of that. But there's another sense of corrupt, like a corrupt file.

But there's another sense of corrupt, like a corrupt file. And that's something that is in its structure altered so that it doesn't deliver the goods anymore. And that's what's happened in science, in academic science. physics, math, are by comparison exempt from the social sciences, all the stuff that calls the rest of it calls itself sciences, and in fact, medicine itself, and by extension, public health, which brings a whole nother level of corruption and meaning to the terms. But these fields are tainted, and they're tainted by the same thing that makes the wrong advice coming from your doctor about your kid's obesity or mislead you about vaccines. It's the same nonsense we did about whether grandma should squat or not. You know, her chief medical complainant, she can't get out of her chair, and you're saying she shouldn't squat?

What the fuck, you know? Someone should turn the lights on for a minute here greg i'm gonna i'm gonna give you two two two comments here from the comment section uh heidi krum uh when is the next broken science event how do i get in um i will sneak in if needed heidi you don't need to sneak in i will hold it open for you there's no date yet right no okay uh and then and then here's a common question uh you get and um uh i'd like to take a stab at the answer and then and then you can tell me if i'm right or wrong dan guerrero what's the action item here and the action item i don't think falls on anyone

outside of greg unfortunately i think the action item all don't think falls on anyone outside of greg unfortunately i think the action item all falls on greg to continue to um maybe parson this this narrative out uh is that a word parson parcel uh this narrative out into, into palatable, exciting, fun pieces. And so, so that it's palatable for people who don't get to just hang out with you by the chimney all night and hear it all, you know, over and over and over. I think it all falls on you. What do you, what do you say the action item is because you know, people want to get involved and do something for you, but, but really it's,

it's all on you, right? I would, I would, yes. And this could be, you know, when the little boy stood up and said the emperor is naked, I'm sure it didn't just occur to him. And there may have been others that had talked about it. He just took it upon himself

to stand up loud and blurt it out. And so I had someone ask at this talk, so Greg, what are you going to do now? And I tried to explain, I just did what I'm going to do. You imagine, Hey, the emperor is naked. You're like, Oh, here come the emperors, you know, the emperor's guards. They're coming my way what are you gonna do now i don't know i don't know i thought that's okay for me savvy i've

never been endpoint oriented i'm process oriented right well that and jake said that science is a process not uh i forget exactly how he worded it but listen what heidi says heidi fully gets it heidi says the action item is here. Take personal responsibility for your own health and do your own research. Yeah. I mean, that's a huge piece of it, right? Boy, you know, there's a message you can't deny. Right.

And you're providing tools to allow people to assist them in the research. I hope so. Right. Well, you're giving me those tools. Yeah, I mean, that fundamentally is the idea. Hey, there was a... In Sipyama's Veritate, the Let's Start With The Truth. in Sipyama's Veritate let's start with the truth and

that answers so much of that question as to what's next because I don't have ready answer for that I also probably the wrong person to ask because I don't believe in remedy I don't believe in remedy. I don't think that this problem fixes. I think the fix is in. And so, but what I do believe is that

understanding of the totality of the problem and its specifics is something that most anyone can do. is something that most anyone can do. And it's some critical mass, enough people do that. And I am open to, because the Joe Westerlin, the Joe Westerlin theory, that that surmounts at some point to revolution. But I'm no expert on that. I don't think we ever got to that point with CrossFit.

But I did see the Westerlin influence that, that, you know, he said it was one or 2%. It's a magical number. And, uh, uh, it was funny to see the popular media pick up on CrossFit so strongly. And I thought maybe it was just the form of the revolution, just a recognition. Um, but, uh, I, I, I don't believe in mass conversion events. And we're still at this point of, let's start with the truth. If there ever is going to be a fix, and I don't believe there will be,

just like with the public health problem, and that's where that let's start with the truth first reared its head, And that's where that let's start with the truth first reared its head was I don't see a solution that doesn't incorporate the realities of what's causing the problem. And so that's something I can contribute. We are approaching buy time, where I have to go. But people have questions. You too. I think our kids are skating together this morning.

They are. Let me ask you, Greg, this is a pretty broad question. What are your thoughts on mental health? I love this show. Do you have any thoughts on just that? I know that's a pretty broad question on mental health? I love this show. Do you have any thoughts on just that? I know that's a pretty broad question. Mental health. And has it changed in the last 15 years? Because I feel like the Greg I met 15 years ago would be like,

hey, just get out there and do 100 burpees. Change your diet. Tighten up your diet. Yeah. I'm the wrong person to answer that. Yeah, it's other show kind of stuff. You know,

let me tell you something real quick about mental health, but then bye. Nah, later. Okay, good. I got it. Thank you. Jessica Valenzuela says... I'll open a can of worms. I don't want to open. Right. Okay. We'll do a whole show on it. Open a can of worms. Jessica Valenzuela, you're cutting Greg off. I'm taking this kid to the skate park. Taking this kid to the. Right. Okay. We'll do a whole show on it. Open the can of worms. Jessica Valenzuela, you're cutting Greg off. I'm taking this kid to the skate park.

Taking this kid to the skate park. Nate Dogg says, Savon, I want to make a trip to attend the next Broken Science Initiative. Will you allow me to camp in your garden of Eden and eat from the trees? I don't know. You can sleep in my neighbor's yard. I have to deal with Adam and the snake.

All right, brother. Thank you. Great conversation. And we'll talk again soon. Thanks for coming on, man. Thanks, buddy. All right, bye. Mr. Greg Glassman

founder of CrossFit I need to play a they often have Greg as a written down it'll say he's the co-founder of CrossFit and he never really

pushed back on that but I found something the other day it's an audio recording it's an interview maybe there's even audio recording. It's an interview. Maybe there's even video with it. It's old as shit.

But it's an interview of Lauren Glassman talking about how when she met Greg, he was completely obsessed with CrossFit and the creation of CrossFit, which would make it that he's not the co-founder, that he's the founder. I need to play that i have it somewhere miss valenzuela uh i'm being selfish and want this show to keep going yeah he'll i think he'll keep coming on i think i think as long as i don't fuck up but i never know he's he's a gentleman if i did fuck up, he might not tell me. Dan Guerrero. David Goggins unhealthy people into putting down the fast food.

David Goggins unhealthy. Just shame. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but okay. All right, guys. Thank you. I am trying to schedule one more show today with Hunter McIntyre. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but okay. All right, guys. Thank you. I am trying to schedule one more show today with Hunter McIntyre. I'm dying to hear.

He's got his battle, battle, battlefield, battle, field battle, battle brigade thing happening this weekend. Fuck, what's the name of that thing? Battle bunker. battle bunker he's got his battle bunker going on uh this weekend i think or is he running a race this weekend i don't know what's going on but he did win high rocks we got to get him on even if it's just for a few minutes and uh we got it we got to find out uh what's going on with him he's the fucking champ again love hunter i'd want to do anything I can to support him. Thank you, Ryan. Yeah, Battle Bunker.

Let me guess. He's going for a world championship. You know what I like about you, Mason, is you really walk that fine line of kicking people but not knocking any teeth out. Okay, I got to go. I got to go. I got to end the broadcast.