The Sevan Podcast - Greg Glassman | Live Call In Show - China's Economic Collapse

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

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it kind of felt like it put me into like a zombie state. Oh, weird. You know what? Like I felt I wasn't really asleep. I was kind of like having this out-of-body experience, and I was kind of like looking at my face, at my lips. It was so weird. Seve, your voice is sexy.

Sick Seve. Yeah, it's definitely got a nice tone to it. Thank you. Not like a sick, but like a, yeah. I wonder if my brain is like going to be off. Like if I'm going to, you know what I mean? Like if I'm drugged up, if I'm not going to have the clarity, I'm feeling a little insecure.

Oh, good. I like that. Not because there's any signs that I'm off, but just in case I might be off. Right, right. How many shows have we done with greg now this has got to be close to 30 was it numbered this one's not numbered but the ones before were oh i just got an email from broken science oh nice the article of the week uh it just says uh broken science community predictive power a measure of probability is at

the heart of broken science. Oh, that makes me so happy to hear that because that's when I think of it, that's exactly, that's like my most basic understanding. I got it right. You nailed it. Predictive, predictive power. Hey, we got a text from Greg at 541 this morning. Hi, Caleb. Good morning.

Hey, we got a text from Greg at 541 this morning. Hi, Caleb. Good morning. We got a text from Greg this morning at 541 saying I'm ready, which makes me think that maybe he was off an hour. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Hey.

Hey. Were you off an hour this morning? Yeah, maybe at 4 in the morning I was for a moment. Okay. Because I got a text from you at 5 41 saying a link and i'm like uh-oh i wonder if he switched time zones yeah it's like switch time zones every day hey what's up with the horse um it's a lamp that thing is a lamp yeah what's it made of wow is it made of clay or a cloth it's cloth and the whole thing glows can you touch it from where you're sitting no oh it's weird it looks like you can't that is probably six seven feet behind me oh wow and where's the light bulb

inside it it would have to be. It's not outside. It's not all in it. The files are in the computer. And Greg, the light comes out of the nostrils or I don't get it. You know what? I don't think I've had it on. Okay. It was odd.

I've mostly just been trying to protect it from the kids. Yeah. If I was there, you'd have to protect it from me too. You know how I can get it. I want to touch it. You just pull it right off the kids. Oh, yeah. If I was there, you'd have to protect it from me, too. You know how I can get it. I want to touch it. You just pull it right off the wall. Yeah. He's a fiddler.

He's a fiddler. I just got an email from a BSI, and I just love the opening sentence right here. I just got it four minutes ago. Dear BSI community, predictive power and measure of probability is at the heart of broken science. That means I'm starting to get it because if someone if someone asked me that's i wouldn't say that cleanly but that's what i'd say yeah we're this event's going to be themed uh predictability prediction you know and uh but uh on subsequent runnings we're going to be able to uh On subsequent runnings, we're going to be able to do this around uncertainty, certainty is distinguished from certainty, randomness, chance.

All these things need exploring and discussion because our common sense of them is contrary to how the world works. So it's fun stuff it's neat we have we have at our fingertips material that in terms of its technicality require um just some modicum of of capacity in elementary algebra i'm talking about uh you, three months in for a C student. It's a C student due to their interest. They're not trying their hardest. It's just how it rolls, right? Your average algebra student, three months in, plus a half-hour introduction to conditional probabilities and some rudiments of logic and some definitions, we can embark on a study of applied mathematics with that minimum requirement. I'm talking about

something we can give seven-year-olds, seventh graders, your average seventh grader. You can explore applications of math in the real world that are as beautiful and as profound as anything that you study differential equations or take upper division or graduate math. It's as beautiful and practical an application of mathematics with as much of the philosophical glow, power, and glow, power, and universe-widening potential of anything studied in math at any level. And that's pretty cool.

That's crazy cool. By the way, congratulations. I'm seeing that Emily, your partner in crime on the Broken Science Science was on Ken Barry's podcast yesterday. How was she? I haven't seen it yet, but I just found out about it, and it's getting a shit ton of views. Good. It's already up over 31,000 views.

It's a live show. Yeah, it's exciting. What a great way to get the message out. Yeah, she gets it she's powerful beautiful powerful uh you know there's a bunch of us that have been looking at these things for a long time and for a lot of people their entree to the world of broken science was along the areas of nutrition or exercise science or medicine and so you kind of you kind of come to the light through some portal and there's a there's a crazy world there

where it leads you eventually to realize that the the bulk of academic science is complete bullshit this is off subject a little bit. Does anyone know why my comments are on the side like that? I don't want them on the side like that. I think it's the setting you have down at the bottom where there's the gear and then there's all those little boxes. Do you see it right now on my screen? Yeah, you got to go down to the actual

Oh, this. I think if you, but to the right of that. Oh, one of these things? Yeah. One of the... No, that no. Are you sure?

I clicked all those already. Yeah. I don't know how my shit got all wonky like that. Hey, can you just pinch it in or out? Is there something you can click on to kill it? No, I don't see any... It doesn't slide out left or right you can't expand the uh part you like to push that out i'm trying

usually if you pinch real hard it'll stop god this sucks no so no one else is like this this isn't something youtube didn't just push everyone's comments to the right. That's just my jackass shit. Yeah. Someone said turn it off and back on. Here's the thing. It's on all my computers now like this. That's how it is on mine too. I think it's a new YouTube layout. Oh, it is? Yeah, because then you get all the

video suggestions and then you have the comments along the side. Because it used to be where all of the video suggestions were just an endless scroll down the side. Yeah. You endless scrolls for all the comments if you really want to yeah i don't want the comments on this i don't like them written small like that okay so it's not me no i think it's everybody it's probably some new beta dude this video with with Emily already has 291 comments. The most recent comment is when it wears part two. Good job.

Good job. Yeah. This is killer. Oh yeah, another. Let's do a part two. Oh yeah, yes, part two. There's a third one in there. Wow. Send me a link to that, Seve. Okay, I will. There's a third one in there. Wow. Wow. Send me a link to that, Seve. Okay.

I will. Yeah. It's amazing. We have an incredible partnership, and there's a crazy amount of independence to it. It's a classical conspiracy where the left hand need not know what the right hand's doing, and yet you're working in clear concert. I didn't know anything about that.

Yeah, that's awesome. Going back to what you were just saying, the tools that broken science provides people can be applied to anything, need to be applied to anything. to be applied to anything it's basically unfucking people's thinking thinking right yeah the fracture the brokenness of science um it it probably has its most outward manifestation and studies that won't replicate but uh but the part that's that's broken i mean that, that's some downstream sequela there. The part that's broken, it's been an epistemic debasement.

So the epistemology is broken. And to unfuck it, we have to have some fundamental discussions as to things like interpretations of probability. We need to go over the demarcation problem. We need to talk about induction and deduction and give it some modern world definitions it's pretty cool stuff and it's entirely in keeping with the classical education with the trivium and the quadrivium of of of old times so in fact in my in my own efforts with my kids, what I'm doing is I'm building a base in qualitative reasoning through language,

logic, we'll take that into plausibility, and on the quantitative analysis, it's traditional math that goes up through arithmetic, algebra, geometry, analysis, and beyond. But there's a point where in the qualitative analysis, we're looking at plausibility after induction and deduction. And the quantitative side, we're in probability theory. And then the next step for both is probability theory as logic. And we get into a whole different uh philosophy of science and it's actually a philosophy of science that's consistent with uh information theory which is god what a what a nice thing i would i would offer that

that any philosophy of science that wasn't consistent with the science of information theory is is fatally flawed. And indeed it is. That's low-hanging fruit. Is information theory, is that something really broad or is that something that's defined? It's very well defined, and it's originally the work of Claude Shannon in his 20s in a master's thesis offered up some science that is as profound as any science

ever done anywhere. It's on a par with anything offered by Newton or Einstein in terms of practical consequences. I remember Brian Mulvaney asked my father once if he knew of Claude Shannon and he says, I don't think I've worked on a project the past 30 years that did lie.

It part depend on the work of Claude Shannon. If you watch TV, go Claude Shannon and thank you. And he actually gave mathematical definition to information. And he described, gave information, quantified it in the sense that it is a characteristic of data much the way that density or velocity or it may have made a fundamental unit. It's a fascinating work and of indescribable value.

And that's been added to in recent times. So I'm way into the deep end here. It's kind of fun to come into a forum like this and talk about and then launch to the back of the material but uh our point is the broken science point is that we can mark uh youngsters towards a better understanding of uh let me just give you one real world example there's a wikipedia article on uh on confusion of the inverse. And there's an example given there of some stats around malignancy. And these guys asked 100 physicians

what the odds are of the positive test being, there we go, confusion of the inverse. It's great. In the footnote four there, they actually took 100 physicians through that and asked them, based on the fundamental values around the two-by-two matrix on that thing, what are the odds of a positive test? Meaning that you have cancer and 95 of 100 physicians said it was 75%. And the truth is it's seven and a half percent. Will you show that we scroll back up a little bit, Caleb to the two by two grid.

I think that Greg's referencing, is it the second one or the first one? Yeah, right there. Right. And so this is just basic stuff. It's just that two by two matrix on matrix on a binary diagnostic disease kind of thing. We've got to test in a disease.

Whether you either have it or you don't, you're either positive or you're not, and it's tested against some gold standard typically. But when presented with this data, these 100 physicians were asked, what are the odds that this guy's got cancer given this data these hundred physicians were asked uh uh what are the odds that this guy's got cancer given this data and 95 of 100 said uh 75 and the actual calculation is uh seven and a half percent and the problem is is he has these physicians have confused um the probability of testing positive given that you have cancer they've confused that for the probability of testing positive, given that you have cancer, they've confused that for the probability of having cancer, given that you've tested positive. And so the probability of

A given B isn't the same as the probability of B given A. That's a confusion of the inverse. And that's something that you give me a week with a classroom of kids, and I'll get them sensitive to that. It wouldn't take three months to get seventh graders that when if you gave them this two-by-two matrix and asked them to do the arithmetic, they would come out with 7.5%. And they would understand that they can't go upstream against the probability. They can't reason from the inverse. And the applications of this to the rest of philosophy of science are profound. That's why we're here. I just picked this as a place to kick down the door and let the team into the compound.

Greg, is this the example you gave me about the um the rain and the wedding also yes do you remember that one that you gave no but but i you know i just in in the in the particulars um and this is basically this these are the types of this is basically the the foundation of uh broken science yeah no i i don't think that's i don't think that's correct but the errors made here in this particular fallacy um will take me a long way and get me deep into explaining what got fucked up in p values too and it's the probability it's the problem of trying to take the probability of data and draw inference on our hypotheses while assiduously denying that the probability

of a hypothesis has meaning. We're not gonna do all this here today. My promise in the broken science thing is that we can, in an afternoon, put you on a course of learning that in baby steps and over time will take you to somewhere profound. And that profundity would begin with the single moment. I think just realizing what a conditional probability is and that you can't make the mistake of the inverse is is really important i would be introducing conditional probability and deduction and induction and plausibility to children as soon as i can and the the message of broken science is that the failure and that looks like bullshit cures and setting yourself up for an unprecedented and

unlimited fraud because remember the epistemic break in the science um nourishes attracts and conceals science that doesn't work and the way you do that is you substitute the validation through the predictive strength of bottles with a consensus in p-values. And it's kind of hard to unfuck someone on what's wrong with p-values in a single sitting, but it would be possible to bake into an elementary or middle school education enough training to make it so that it would be a five minute explanation as to what's wrong with the p-value yeah greg are you planning is there any uh thoughts about making some of these things into courses and making them absolutely absolutely in fact the uh crossfit curriculum these uh the lectures from the lectures in the material in the notes uh uh the precipitate was the filmed level ones out of which derived the training manual. It's a process that's a little counterintuitive, I think,

other than the way people think it might work. But out of this, we'll develop a textbook and a curriculum. Someone needs to make a science book for kids with a whopping dose of applied elementary mathematics and logic. And so is this almost kind of like following a similar footprint of the L1 where you're giving the lectures, you're doing these events, and then in hindsight, you're building the courses? Embarrassingly so. Okay, so we kind of are watching the roadmap of these courses almost as the same kernel that it was. That's amazing.

I have been here before. Yeah. And can I ask you a dumb question real quick? Anything. I don't think there are any dumb questions. We're really, there's such a start over here in the way we think about things. You know, like simple things like does the 50 50 in hair in the penny or in our uncertainty and the and the implications are profound they're profound you know what is the demarcation what is that thing that divides the scientific from the non-scientific the academics will tell you it's falsification the supreme court thinks it's falsification. That is part of the wrong turn. And the wrong turn, I think, I argue, I can make the point that it is perhaps the greatest unforced intellectual error in the history of human beings, of mankind.

Go ahead. And let me tell you what happened. What happened was academics and academic philosophy of science chose the pursuit of certainty as a philosophy of science. And success came through the management of uncertainty, through probability theory, especially probability theory as logic. And so that's where the wrong turn came. And we're paying for it today. Big time. You're seeing all that because it's trickling down into policies. And then we saw a couple of years back that science then turns into ways that our lives are being governed.

And everybody's following line due to appeal to authority because they don't understand it and they don't know how to unravel it or use their own discernment against it. In the Daubert decision, the Supreme Court hook, line, and sinker swallowed academia's view of science. And it's created a mess of unprecedented proportions. What it does is it means that anyone who uses the courts to challenge shitty science will quickly find themselves up against peer review and the normative standard that has embraced this dangerous whatever it is. And you'll lose standing in court. You don't have expertise anymore. And this is something that RFK Jr.

has spoken about quite eloquently. This is a subject very dear to him. And I know it was something that was of huge concern to my father too. The Supreme Court made a colossal intellectual error. And it's not unknown. Hey, this problem with p-values, let me explain something.

The gripe against p- values is 90 years old their implementation is about 70 years old the problem with p values was well understood well articulated long before their adoption and the null hypothesis significant testing theST, and sometimes it's no hypothesis-significance testing procedure, but that NHST and the p-values is not even an accepted method in mathematics or statistics. It was adopted by psychology departments and textbooks on statistics in psychology. Meaning it doesn't work. If math and statistics won't accept it,. Meaning it doesn't work. If math and statistics won't accept it, it means it doesn't work. It's not legitimate. It creates, for a fact, over certainty.

We talk about the replication crisis, and that's simply that we repeat these studies and we can't get the same data. We can't come to the same conclusions. The most dangerous science will indeed be that that does replicate. In other words, you set up the experiment, you get some data, you do your NHst uh ritual with the p values and you get a good p value something can have a good p value and still be and still be of low probability in terms of the hypotheses right in fact one way to get the p value you want is just to increase your sample size with a big enough sample size you'll get the p valuevalue you want is just to increase your sample size. With a big enough sample size, you'll get the p-value you want. And you tell me the p-value you need, and I'll tell you what sample size you need to get it.

And then you can make it say anything. I just need to know what the p-value is. The line is readily jiggered. What question were you going to ask, Sousa? Well, a lot of what we're talking about too boils down to to math quite a bit and so you know this is going to take this way out into left field but i wanted to get your opinion on this greg was math invented or discovered uh invented clearly clearly do i need to go back and take algebra again for this course or

if your algebra is if your algebra is solid you're good oh so i need to take again yeah we'll make a video soon here just walking someone just walk you through a two by two matrix where we got a disease you have it or you don't by some gold standard. Now we have a test for it. And the test is positive or negative. And so you look that out. And what are the possibilities? You can have it and be positive or have it be negative. You can not have it be positive, not have it be negative. And we can just play with this and start doing some elementary algebra. And I can get you very quickly to a point where we can calculate the probability of being positive having a disease but then we're also going to going to come to see that that's not the same thing as the number that's not the same thing as the probability

of having the disease having tested positive and we can bring you to the point quickly like what does it do for you if you test positive for something? Suppose you take an AIDS test and it goes back positive. And suppose you think you're worried you have AIDS, right? And so you go and take a test and you get your test results back. What's important to you? Do you want a number? Do you want to know what the odds are of you having AIDS, having tested positive?

Or do you want to know, I have AIDS, what are the odds I'm going to test positive? Which is really something you're after. Let me put it this way. If you have AIDS, would it be, if you know for a fact you have AIDS, are you really interested in going out and getting tested to see if you're positive or negative?

No, no. If you test positive, are you, are you concerned whether you have it or not? No, you have it. Well,

you tested positive. Maybe not. Cause you can test positive and not have it right yes like like a strep test like you can take it well if you don't know if you don't know whether you have aids or not and you test positive you definitely want to know the validity of the test this is an odd thing to do without a chalkboard but i'll tell you you've got some choices here and you've got a true positive and a false positive and a true negative and a false negative. And they each have, have a different ramifications psychologically.

And it's kind of hard to, to make value decisions on them. But one of the things we come to see quickly, if you think about it at all, is that a false positive has its damage. It's probably different than a false negative, right? Yeah. Imagine you go to get tested for AIDS and it says

no, you're good, man, but you don't really have it. You know, that could be really dangerous, right? You could spread it. You mean if it says you don't have it and you do have it is what you mean? That's right. It's a false thing. If it says you don't, you actually do. And how about the false positive? How about being told you do when you don't right and how do you trade those how many people how many people told um they don't

have something when they do it is justifies the number of people told that they don't have it. I'm sorry, that they do have it when they don't. I'll use the specific example of mammography. Your positive mammogram, there's only a 7% chance that you have breast cancer. Wow. Even though it's positive. Wow. So how many people have been told that they have breast cancer and they really don't have breast cancer?

They're told they're positive and they go home and what is the impact? It's enormous. And this is one of the, this is, this is a, and that's a particular diagnostic test where that's one of the good ones. That's one of the strong tests where I've got got where i've got a seven percent uh uh true positive so that means that that means that people are having surgeries no they're going to biopsies they go to the next phase there's other tests there's an ultrasound that can be combined with it i mean i don't know but you're in the system now yeah yeah yeah and financially both work out well for the tester.

Right. Then you need further testing. We do further testing and we find out... Look at the economics of the test that say it has a perfectly high its power or its selectivity

is super high. Sensitivity, rather. You've got a super sensitive test that returns 100%. It's everyone tested is positive. That way, you don't miss any. That was like the COVID test. Like the COVID test. everybody's got it yes the pcr test can give everyone any can diagnose anyone with anything so i so i i recommend you take a test

and everyone gets positive and now you're told i'm sorry you have it and we're going to need additional testing which i'm also going to let you pay me for and on additional testing you either find out yeah indeed you do our first considerations were were great and it's i'm glad we found this early or we find out you don't and you're happy as yeah hey grace padena good morning thank you very generous thank you and it gets really crazy when they start basing uh if you could go outside or if you could run your business or if you could take your kids to the park based off positive test results so when you take what greg just said and then anchor that into a real world example of what we just lived through not that long ago a couple years back here in california they were basing off if we could live our lives off these uh positive test rate numbers

and now we just heard that the whole thing could potentially have been a sham well it was potentially it was worse than it was worse than even at this level of analysis the uh the two by two matrix um on uh you know where you have the disease, you don't, and you test positive or not, that whether you have it or not is established by some gold standard. And so it's against a gold standard that we assess the quality of a test. And the COVID test, the PCR test, got an emergency provisional use authorization, an EPUA, because the two-by-two matrix had been completed. That is, we didn't know what the true positive, false positive, true negative, false negative were for that thing because there was no gold standard that could be publicly admitted to against which they were testing. be publicly admitted to against which they were were testing and at the end of the emergency provisional use um they they should have the policy was historically that you'd now no longer been able to use that thing because the emergency provisional use authorization expired and what

happened is they didn't complete the two by two matrix. There still isn't what you'd call a scientific test. And yet they didn't stop using it. And so we have something that's not even an EPUA. And I think the problem is the test may be better than they could admit to because the test may be working against the known blueprints of the virus. be working against the known blueprints of the virus. In other words, the whole issue of a gold standard could be related to the sequence of this virus. And the sequencing seemed to be known long ahead of any science that demonstrated sequencing. And the science that was presented as demonstrating the sequencing was all spectacular deficient in that the steps for isolation ahead of lysing and doing the genetic assay were missing from those studies. So what we think

happened is that someone was given the blueprints of the virus. Look, we don't need to isolate it and sequence it because we fucking made it. Does that make sense? Just call the people at the lab. Yeah, yeah. The science where it was analyzed looks weird and our test looks weird and I think we know why now.

Yep. Hey, there was also the statistics that this stat that 80% of the people who had it were asymptomatic and there's got to be some mathematical relevancy to that that once something is 80 asymptomatic it doesn't all sorts of other things go out the door meaning you just have to presume everyone has it and you can't do anything to stop it there has to be some uh logic there yeah infection and transmission absent symptoms um is is certainly a phenomenon of increasing occurrence um due to vaccine in fact there's been a unspoken it seems effort to drive

vaccines to do exactly that to mitigate symptoms and not reduce transmission yep yep um hey greg i want to go back to the coin thing um so if someone says um uh hey i'm going to flip this coin is it going to be heads or tails and there's a there's a practical uh sense to say um it's 50-50. So you guess tails the first time, it lands on heads, you're wrong. And then you flip it the next time and you're going to guess the opposite of whatever you guessed the first time, right? Because there's a 50-50 chance. We all quote unquote know that practically speaking.

But what you're saying is it's not a – if you want to talk about truth, it's not a 50, 50% chance that you could actually, it's actually the flipper because you could theoretically build a machine that flipped a coin exactly the same every time. And it would land on the same side. Right. And that's vital to understanding the truth as opposed to what's practical. And all these people are falling on the side of practical. I'm trying to give it a layman explanation of how someone like me can understand it the um if you want to understand them odds it's just not true yeah it's 50 50 probability probability the most useful probability is epistemic. It's a rational metric of what we know. And Briggs did that cool thing where he wrote down the number.

He said it was between 1 and 5 or 0 and 5. And then asked people to take a guess as to what it was and asked them also to state why they made their guess. And what he did was had a whole bunch of different guesses, and he thought that they were all good because they were conditional probabilities and they were based on some assumption that was made, true or false, the assumption right or not, they were based on that assumption. And what we know is that the one in six of a die isn't a random event. There's something about the toss, air temperature, the surface it hits, the way it hit.

If all of that physics were controlled or understood, it wouldn't be unknown. And so the one in six isn't a quality of the die. It's a measure of our uncertainty. It's what we don't know. And that would change with enough exposure too. But when we talk about, you see this all the time in a probability theory they start with um you're given a fair die and what that means is that the long range limiting frequency is going to be one on one on six for side each side is equal and what you're doing is removing all of the physics from the from the problem you're turning it into purely a math thing and not a physics thing. But in the real world, things were very different from that.

And along those lines, I know James and Briggs both know people that have made coin flipping apparatus that they can get 60, 70, 80% heads or tails, depending on the setup of the machine. Wow. That's interesting. heads or tails, depending on the setup of the machine. Wow. That's interesting. I don't know if this is under the same thread, but it popped into my mind when casinos put up next to their roulette tables what the previous ones were. The increase in people gambling at the roulette table went up tenfold because they could see, oh, the last three times it was black, So it's got to be red this time. The odds are in my favor. Check this out. To metric any proxy around the density of the felt, the air temperature, air density, any of that is a felony in Vegas.

Because it's all going to change the physics, which will change the probability outcome, and it might swing out of their favor. It'll take it from the unknown into the known, and someone's going to get rich. Let's use that example. They don't want you counting cards. They don't want you taking the temperature of the room.

They don't want you doing a density test on the belt. And they don't know which of those would even work, but they don't think that it's magic. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's, that's incredible. Yeah. Same with the weight of the dice. And in fact, if you're at a craps table, different than the roulette, if you start rolling the dice and stacking them in a certain way, and they see that you have a stroke and it's rolling in the same way, the pit boss will literally come over to you and say hey i want to see some more action on the dice give it a real roll like this and then toss it because they realize you're having some element of potential

control because if you could just map the way that you're throwing and have some consistency there again the odds will swing into your favor so they'll force you to change it my dad and a friend used to go to harris and tahoe because they weren't as savvy there as they were in vegas and neither he nor his friend were known to the to the casino operators in harris yeah they would go in and take ten thousand dollars and get a handful of chips which makes them big spenders and now everything's free yeah and they would count cards until they could leave with more chips than they came in with.

And they wouldn't cash them in until the next trip. And they were able to do this for several years before it fell apart. Yeah. And what are these guys doing? They're bringing some extraordinarily rudimentary knowledge into the system. Increasing their ability to predict it. Which is why they don't do single deck blackjack anymore.

That's right. Oh, to complicate the card counting? It's like three decks and it's in a shoe. My dad would sit down at a table and they'd introduce another deck, another deck, another deck, each hand they'd throw another deck in until they'd go to a different table. What does that mean it's in a shoe suza what's that

mean so it's like a big uh like stack where all the cards sit and they just pull them out of there so it's not a 52 card deck anymore you got like 100 and uh you know whatever 156 cards yeah there you go wow so they load it with multiple decks in there. That one's called eight-deck security. Yeah, and then to Greg's point, what they'll even do sometimes is, depending on how the table's going, they'll pull all those cards out, open three new packs, shuffle it, and then put three new in the shoe just right within the same sitting. Wow.

You know, what we're doing here together is we're looking at probability from the gaming side, which clearly shows that knowledge changes odds, and dramatically so. Laplace, I believe, took all probability in terms of saw it as wagers. Maybe it wasn't Laplace. That looked pretty good. But that's a, it's a, it's a, it's a helpful way to see these things. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's why when I went in, we were talking about the coin flip that came to mind. And I was like, I think this will help anchor it for people. Cause when you see it through the lens of a casino, all of a sudden, everything like comes back into alignment, but then you take the same thing that you were talking about and now we apply that to science and academia and people could realize oh everything is stacked in their favor in order to give them the results that they're looking for that's just casino matt souza that has nothing to do with science look up the coin flip requirements in the nfl hey, so Claude Shannon invented the ones and O's that computers use? Yeah, formalized theory that had him claiming correctly that if it's information, it can be depicted in ones and zeros.

Wow. If it's information, it can be depicted in ones and zeros. Wow. Hey, I want to shift here a second to how that can be, how understanding this in its relationship to, I don't know if the term is cognitive dissonance, but let me give you an example. The former president of the United States, Donald Trump, would say something along the lines like Mexico is not sending us its good citizens. It's sending us its murderers and rapists. And then someone would jump to the conclusion that he's racist. Is there a relationship between being able to think clearly between what you're presenting and not making that jump? The view of science that we hold is that it's an extension of logic,

logic, language, and mathematics. And so, you know, part of the problem there is the beauty of a term like racism. That's undefined. I got called a racist by media outlets and lawyered up fast. And I was going to get what I could for that. And I instantly ran into the problem

that there is no legal definition of racism. And so it's kind of like you say you're a caca and you take them to court and sue them and you got a big problem no one knows what a fucking caca is a bird in the Amazon I'm quite familiar with and the other problem is that I'd already

been ruled by a judge as a famous person and that changes in New York and in California radically the standards for going after someone for saying you're a caca or a rapist, which is defined. And in fact, you have to prove that their intent was ill will, or you'll end up paying for their efforts to fuck you. Wow. And it's impossible to do that without a definition. It's called a slap.

It was to protect media, to protect the New York Times and the LA Times so they could print absurd shit and suffer no consequences. But it would be the very real problem in suing someone at the New York Times for pronouncing you to be a rapist. Because that can be defined. Well, I'm saying that one can, but being famous makes it hard. Oh, okay. A slap is an acronym for strategic lawsuit against public participation. The term was coined in the 1980s by two University of Denver professors who co-authored slaps. Getting sued for speaking out. but in the 1980s by two university of denver professors who co-authored slaps getting sued

for speaking out it becomes a tool for media to say anything they wish about you and and they can just say oh my bad i was wrong and you'd have to show that not only that you'd have to show the usual standards, it was false and they know it, but you'd have to show that it was false, that they knew it, and that they were trying to hurt you. Yeah, that's a lot of bases to cover. It's weird. It gets weird instantly.

It reduces the court calendar. So here we go greg here here here's the thing that um i heard this week that really puts a huge scramble in the mix so ai is getting filled with what we know we we know that editors and ceos of the biggest medical journals in the world and most prestigious are saying, hey, we think 50% of the shit in our journals is wrong. And the default position on anything you read in a medical journal should be it's not true. We're hearing really big names in the space say that. Things that you've shown me, taught me, people you've introduced me to. Now, AI is taking all of this information as truth and pumping it out to the public. The public's asking AI questions, and it's just – it's kind of the dumbest – AI is like the dumbest person in society to ask a question of.

Yeah, I – It could be catastrophic. dumbest person in society to ask a question of. Yeah. It could be catastrophic. Briggs says computers and AI are going to take over the world right after a room full of calculators does. Those shitty Gemini results came up. You know what they did? They're nothing but a perfect reflection of

the way those twits at Google think. They fucking think George Washington was black. Those dumb twats think that. George Washington's good, right? Black's good's good black people are good white people are bad yeah you gotta make it i mean the computer is just the the problem is their their algorithms smarter than they are they think that if they can make um uh the little mermaid black that they can make george washington back there's black there's a complete disconnect between reality and their

imagination uh business insider google's under attack in the wake of its woke AI disaster. You know, I have something on my Instagram where you ask AI to show you a white couple and it refuses. You ask it to show you an Asian couple and it says, I can't show you, but I can describe it to you. You ask to show a black couple no problem endless images i can't when i tell you that it's a it's a formalization of the stupidity of google but can you even believe that these people here can you even believe that like if i told you that five years ago was going to be like that would you have any thought that it was like that that it's just that our biggest platform in the world,

our biggest resource in the world is just openly racist. And then it's somehow being justified. That's got to tie in with the whole broken science thing, broken thinking. Is there going to be an arm called broken thinking? My, my father rallied against post-modern science my entire adult life.

And I used to rib them and joke that, no, no, it's a post-rational epoch. And my joke was the truth. We're in the two plus two equal five. My mom has a big old hairy cock.

And dad's getting pregnant. and what are you laughing at hey there's i saw medical i saw medical schools trying that's how far off we are what's next you're there you're there you're in allison fucking wonderland i can't remember i just saw an article that one of the medical schools is proposing to have all of their students take a course on men getting pregnant. Of course. I love it. But these have to be connected, right? Once you can start thinking clearly in one area, you can be like, okay. Like the coin flip thing, I i think is a huge sign post right because it's like hey practically it is 50 50 and we can do the

study with your kids you can keep flipping the coin but don't don't make the mistake of jumping to some conclusion that that's the truth. There's an infinite number of teachable moments that are all around us. And what's cool is that to appreciate a philosophy of science that works. Bacon said that, and he's considered by many to be kind of the father of modern science, but Bacon said that the scientific method would reduce all wits to a level,

which is a really remarkable thing. And the philosopher David Stove said that after 400 years of unprecedented scientific discovery and advancement, a person of average intelligence would have acquired a philosophy of science that he said could be understood even by a drongo, which is an Australian term for a fool, for an idiot. It's a bird that's common there. And it's true. And one of the things that we want to do in this seminar coming up here is what's missing from the discussion is a useful definition of science, something that a drongo could something does reflect

uh bacon's observation that the scientific method would reduce all wits to a level and and it looks like this that the process begins with observations which is the registration of the real world on our senses or sensing equipment you tie an observation to a standard scale with a with a well-characterized error plus or minus inch plus or minus 15 degrees that kind of thing and it becomes a measurement we can call that at that point a scientific fact any measurement that is an observation tied to a standard scale with a well-characterized error. And if you tie that measurement to a future unrealized measurement or fact as a prediction, you have a scientific model. And that model finds validation in its predictive strength.

And there's so much there. And the predictive strength of the scientific model, the theory, exists entirely independent of any methodology. So regardless of how you came up with it, its predictive strength does define its legitimacy or validation. And so back to the coin thing, there's an important distinction there because you could build a great model around flipping a coin. We have, and it starts with assume a fair coin. And I said before, that takes all the physics out of it. When we assume a fair coin, what we do is we assume I still know nothing about it. Okay.

What do you do? Suppose you flip a coin a thousand times and you get 700 heads. You're going to assume it's still a fair coin? No. What's your next guess? Is it 50-50? Or are you going to go off the past guesses the past efforts the past efforts i would of course of course and then you find out that the code

because because because usually you'd use your own discernment well i looked at it yeah seven out of ten times i flipped this bad boy and i got head. So logically, I'm going to assume that. And it wasn't the first seven out of ten, but a thousand in. I'm like, I know I have doubts. It's like the guy we had on the show. He's been eating raw meat now for a thousand days, including raw chicken, raw this, raw that. And people are still telling him he's going to die from salmonella. And I'm like, how the fuck is anyone telling you that?

Dorky meme guy just eating raw meat all all his eczema and everything went away his egg his shit was so bad greg that he could only wear a t-shirt once and it would be covered in blood went to just a straight raw meat diet and that shit went away and people are telling him hey you're gonna die people at whole foods are costing him telling him he's gonna die from bacteria poisoning it's like dude like didn't you just see he's done it for a thousand days yeah i think i think he's like he's fine you're not gonna run across the freeway a thousand times and not get hit you are not no no fucking way no man can do that. Mike, I hit five times.

Greg, this guy... You leave rice out. You eat old rice, you're not... You're unlikely to get sick. You eat rice contaminated with, with, uh, enough of the right thing. And I don't care who you are. You're fucked. Right. And so it's nice to take some simple precautions to just eliminate that kind

of thing. Right. I, I agree. Yeah, I agree. That's what, that's what he was saying.

He did too. He said that he's like, I don't go to Walmart and just pick up chicken. Yeah. Right. Make sure that I'm getting chicken that's natural and the chickens eat or little they've been grown you know free range you know what i mean they're not he's not eating these dumb big giant fucking safeway chickens raw yeah for the most part though he's for the most part though but he says he has and he's's never even come close to having a stomach ache or anything. Whereas Dr. Phil's like, hey, you shouldn't even touch chicken with your hands. And you can't eat eggs on my chicken.

Hey, how about this guy? This guy is the CEO of Kellogg's, a cereal that's well documented that was supposed to stop masturbation. Do you know about that history, Greg? That's why that guy... Yeah. So this cereal was supposed to stop masturbation. And here's the CEO of Kellogg's. Check this out. This guy is basically shitting on your previous life's entire work. Here we go. Category has always been quite affordable and it tends to be a great destination when consumers are under pressure so some of the things that we're doing is first messaging we got to reach the consumer where they are so we're advertising

about cereal for dinner if you think about the cost of cereal for a family versus what they might otherwise do that's going to be much more affordable. The other places that we like to go is we talk about making sure we have the right pack at the right price in the right place. So having a different size pack that'll have a different price point, that'll take some pressure off the consumer while they're shopping. So those are some of the things that we're doing. But in general, the cereal category is a place that a lot of folks might come to because the price of a bowl of cereal with milk and with fruit is less than a dollar. So you can imagine why a consumer under pressure

might find that to be a good place to go. Right. I'm all for innovation and marketing, but the idea of having cereal for dinner, is there the potential for that to land the wrong way? The cereal category. Oh, we don't get to see how he answered that damn oh just you know try it it's a it's fun to have breakfast for dinner sometimes uh ceo's gary plinick appointed in october of 2023 has a tenure of less than a year total year yearly compensation is four million a 19 salary 80 bonus um this guy's fucking pushing diabetes for breakfast lunch and dinner compensation is $4 million, 19% salary, 80% bonus.

This guy's fucking pushing diabetes for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. If the consumer feels pressure, they can... If you can't afford food, real food, eat cereal. Yeah, I'm not bothered by it.

Talk to me. Tell me how you're not bothered by it. That's funny. That's where I was going to go, too. Tell me. Yeah. I don't know. Compared to what? You're just like, hey, free markets, let it roll. But you still wouldn't recommend anyone eat cereal for breakfast, lunch, or dinner? No, or probably listen to anything

that you'd hear that guy on. Who heard that message and where, you know? But look, is there anyone that, is there anyone with half a brain functioning that doesn't know this has not been the internal discussion at Kellogg's for a hundred years?

And so now we're stupid enough that we can hear what they say inside. Right. What can we do so that cereal is not just a breakfast? No, no, no, no. David Letterman went into a donut shop when he used to do these on the street things and these Asian cats are running the donut shop. And he's asking, what's the recommended daily, what's recommended, what's the RDA on donuts?

This guy's, oh, five, maybe six every day is what you need. You know? Of course he does. I think this guy's a fucking asshole and poisoning everyone. He's selling fucking donuts. The fucking asshole is anyone who thinks this is the guy who should be giving you an RDA. Yeah. Yeah, that's where i was going with it like are we surprised that the ceo of the cereal company is telling you to eat and buy more cereal like where's the shocker there he's yeah basically

he's trying to make it so you don't feel weird if you have cereal for dinner. That's basically what he's doing. A lot of people do it already. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't have to be. You don't have to tell everybody. People who are under consumer pressure. Right.

Right. Consumer pressure. Yeah. People who are under consumer pressure. It's okay. You can eat. To stop masturbation. This meant vegetarianism is also meant for combating

what's considered the debilitating scourge of masturbation. A scholar Vern L. Below writes, Kellogg's was an inheritor of the 18th century tradition which held that masturbation led to a host of ailments and then insanity. Well, I got to tell you, you know what? Load up a bowl of cornflakes with milk and some chopped up strawberries and and hold that bowl and scrape that shit down and try jerking

off at the same time it's harder it's harder than smoking a joint rolling a joint drinking a beer and driving a stick shift so i there's. That is easier. I've done all the latter. Mastered that. When both hands are being used, what are you going to do? Right. Damn. Look, don't expect

the fucking guy from Kellogg's to come out and give you some fucking nutritional advice. He's not paid to do that. I think he earned his bonus. I think he earned his bonus. He's sitting there signaling humanity on a massive platform, and that's what the WHO should be worried about, if anything.

Yeah. Not that I'm suggesting they should censor him but it's insanity to recommend listening to him is well yeah yeah hey but a lot of people still think kellogg's is healthy i'd rather you i think you'd be healthier eating cereal hand over fist than reading new york times well you'd be doing less damage to the world the people who read the new york times are definitely doing more damage to the world that's a good point god what a rag i enjoy it oh my gosh hey guys i gotta I got to be down at Fire Station number four this morning. So just wanted to come on and hang with you for a little bit.

What are you bringing a workout to, Matt? Yeah. So today, yep, that's exactly what we're doing today. We'll do some just kind of rehab mobility stuff with them, and then we'll do a little strength training session at the Fire Station. And yesterday I was down with about 20 of their academy recruits and we kind of just went over some uh basics of their uh squat hinge overhead press we scanned them got their skeletal muscle mass their uh body fat percentage so we have a nice baseline we went over a little

uh quick mobility assessment to see if there's any glaring holes that'll come up for potential injuries and um uh went did that with them today and now i'm with the actual firefighters out there fire station you'll enjoy that it's good work man we're gonna be doing filming with them soon right matt yeah yeah i'm gonna talk to the guys uh today and see if we could get a camera in there so we could start filming and showing kind of exactly what it is that i do and and how it helps them out and stuff super cool yeah yeah all right dude thank you you said you've said next to nothing this morning how are you kid really enjoying my time with you it's fun good his word his word his word count is is way up

greg i don't know if i'm gonna um uh this story, but Susan had a really good contract with the fire department and or with the fire academy or some fire organization there. And then the leadership changed and he thought he was going to lose it. Right. And they came in and they re-signed him up and he goes way above and beyond. He shows up there more often than they pay him. He does more for them than they ask for and uh one day the new captain came in and just gave him a like an enormous bonus on his contract just because he saw him in there uh going above and beyond it's a it's a great story

of uh what's it called he the dude shows initiative it's why you know what i mean you only are going to be what's the saying you're only going to get successful if you do more than you're paid for. Successful people only do more than what they're paid for. Yeah. Over-delivered. That's where your market edge comes from. You know, Orange County Fire Authority, within several years of being in the academy there, there was a significant reduction that more than covered the cost of the program in their workman's comp in that single metric. What was the program?

Orange County Fire Authority. And their CrossFit program? Yeah, it was the training academy for all fire departments in Orange County. And you just had like an L1 trainer or somebody go out there and just train them for a couple times a week? We did seminars with

them over and over and over again. That's awesome. You see them doing it with Dave right now where he's going into the army units and starting to teach them the elements of movement. I can't imagine the impact that will have on the military healthcare system. I used to work in the military healthcare system and you just have endless amounts of like, I have low back pain, my knees hurt, my shoulders hurt, and all this other stuff.

You just have people who are not taking care of themselves. They don't know how to take care of themselves, and they have no way of implementing. They just don't have the infrastructure for it, and they don't teach people. Well, they've reached CrossFit, and the NSCA, and the military have reached a compromise. I think what they're going to do is implement CrossFit

and probably eventually call it NSCA. Dave and Ben will roger up because they believe in the mission and however they get the material is good. Who cares what you call it? There's a competition there between the NSCA and CrossFit? CrossFit was dangerous until you took the name off of it. Now they're implementing. So they're not calling what they're doing there CrossFit?

No. Wow. Wow, that's interesting. And the company's excited by it because there's a little revenue associated with it. I mean, who's going to have the balls to stand up to someone as high-ranking as the guys that I did and go, look, dude, your fucking goggles say Oakley, your boots say Danner,

your fucking sidearm's got a brand on it, but you take the CrossFit off of shit, you know? It's not an integrity issue. This was higher ranking Marine personnel. It was explained to me that they couldn't call it CrossFit because they couldn't promote the brand.

And I said, the brands of everything you use are all around you. And you're not taking the brand off. You're not removing Oakley from the goggles. Look, that looks like a Beretta. Is it? You remember those? Those standard boots, they've got tags on them that say,

so why are you taking the CrossFit off of shit? I don't care if you do or not. I had a guy explaining to me that they couldn't do that and then pointed out the window from his general's headquarters, the beaver boxes out in the yard. Yeah. The beaver fit stuff. And I'm like,

I think that's, I think you're promoting a brand out there. That was sprouted from CrossFit basically. Yep. Of course. Of course. Yeah. I mean,

every gym is outfitted. Yep. Every, every gym is outfitted with rogue stuff or beater fit in the outside. Like shit. We went, when I was deployed, everything there was rogue or assault bike or everything was something that

sprouted from CrossFit. That's fucking crazy. Hey, the same thing happened with NASA. Do you remember that, that event, Greg? They weren't going to use the word CrossFit. I said, okay, we won't announce the fuck you in your space station.

They said, okay, we will. I said, okay, we'll do it. Yeah, that's a great story. What happened? You were a partner with NASA? We were told we couldn't contract with the army without doing just GSA. We started going through the GSA process. I go, fuck this.

And then General Abrams, General Services Administration. What you have to do is have a compliance officer. And it obligates you administratively to an enormous amount, an enormous burden just to deliver what? Do the same thing we've been doing all along? So I told General Abrams, we will participate in no such thing. We'd rather not have the business than be like this.

And the Atlantic Dive Supply, who fucked over Tony Blauer, was supposed to be to help us through this thing. Steamrollers streamlined the process of the GSA application. And I said, I't going to do it. We're not going to do the GSA thing. Sorry. We're not going to sit top-heavy with admin like that. And then General Abrams says, oh, okay, I'll just write checks. And he did.

He wrote, he has a U.S. Army checkbook. So he'd buy 20, 30, 40 certs at a time for 60 guys at a time and write checks for it wow god it's so cool that you stood up to that you got all you got all these rules and regulations but the generals can at some point do anything they fucking want i know the general at fort hood was grimsley was shut down the base and the main drag on the base. And when they were doing PT in the road to get everyone's attention, I mean,

thousands of cars were going up and down that thing. He'd shut it down for an hour and do PT out there. I said, isn't that, it's not going to be a problem. And he says, there's, it would be a,

it would be a dereliction of duty for anyone in DC.C. to pay any attention to anything I'm doing for fitness. In other words, we're past the point where anyone cared. Which is really cool. He, too, could write checks. It was the CrossFit Games, and they were going to start the games from the space station. The guy was going to go say 3, 2, 1, go. But he couldn't say CrossFit. And so Greg and Dave told him, okay, fine, then we won't use you.

And then they're like, okay, we'll do it. Wow. We could do a whole show just on our visit to NASA. Say that again? We could do a whole show just on our visit to NASA. Say that again? We could do a whole show just on our visit to NASA. Hey, how underwhelmed were you by that visit? I was seriously underwhelmed. I just wanted to hear the story about the shuttles blowing up.

Like the inside gouge on that. And so I got that. Yeah. Let me tell you about the O-ring. Or whatever it was that was like over expanded. No, there's this. You know, when the one blew up, they saw, they knew. But the one that blew up over Texas, the second one.

The sonic boom. No, no, that was the first one. The sonic boom was late. And so everyone knows before anyone knows like the the lateness of it means that it's no longer there and so they're like three two one boom uh-oh nothing and you don't even need more data the thing was coming in hot and now it's not holy and so what they did was have to you know because all the families there with the balloons and everything and so they had to empty out all of the all of the nats employees all go downstairs and the grief team comes upstairs and breaks the

news to everyone so it was interesting. Sad. Horrible thing. If you have a GSA contract, you have to have a grief team? You have to have a compliance officer. I mean, you've got to be doing things right. According to them. You have to have the right genitalia and skin color for every mission.

I was going to say, I wonder if CrossFit has to deal with that. I was going to say, I know that. I wonder if CrossFit has to deal with that. I wonder if CrossFit has to send a certain amount of like... Well, it obligates you to check, and yet you can't make any kind of discernment from the check. So you need a certain number of women, but we pulled your pants down, and he's got a cock. Maybe that's still a woman. You don't know.

The thing is really tough. You can't do that. That's illegal. You can't be like, okay, the government says I got to have five women. I know. Eva told me they used to do dick checks. Oh, at the Olympics? Yeah.

Wow. Isn't that what the urinalysis is? They just take a gander real quick? I don't know. Now that mommy has a cock, I'm not paying attention. There's no point in listening. Everything's

possible. What do you think about that new lunar lander, Greg? The one that they just put on? Was that ours? We did that? Yeah, it was a private contracting company in the United States. Yeah.

Good. And what did they do? They just landed something? Yeah, I think they just put some experimental stuff up there and said we did it. My dad was a 22-year signature to the surveyor proposal. He was 22 or 23 years old, I think, on that. And this is in the early and mid-60s. A bunch of young engineers at Hughes were putting robots on

the moon. And so it sounds like here in 2024, we've approximated some of the technology of 1964. Took us long enough. It's pictures like this that get the people talking that this is all fake. I mean, look at that. What is that gold thing i think that they wrap there's they supposedly wrap the lander in some in gold because it's keeps everything tempera inside or something i can't remember odessa's touchdown about 190 miles from the moon's south pole on thursday february 22nd becoming the first private spacecraft

ever to land softly on earth's nearest neighbor and the first american vehicle to do so since the apollo mission in 1972 we just got a few a few new looks at odessa's epic descent thanks to three photos that intuitive machines posted how do you only get look at what i just sent you, Seve. You and Matt on that. Oh. Is it okay if Caleb pulls this up? Yeah. The surveyor program?

I sent it to you in your text too, Caleb. Okay. Solar panel, planter array antenna oh TV camera how weird is it that they lost so much of that shit the surveyor program was NASA's program that from June

1966 to January 1968 sent seven robotic spacecraft to the surface of the moon wow its primary goal was to demonstrate the feasibility of a soft landing on the moon wow its primary goal was to demonstrate the feasibility of a soft landing on the moon with an extraterrestrial body wow that's crazy uh the mission called for the craft to travel directly to the moon on an impact trajectory in a journey that lasted 63 to 65 hours a jpl selected h selected Hughes aircraft in 1961

to develop the spacecraft system. The program cost $500 million. Whoa. Is your dad's name in here, Greg? No, but he was part of the original proposal. He was the youngest member of the team. That's incredible.

And I remember each of the landings. I mean, it was just before my 10th birthday on my first one. And so for us, the lunar landing was a little bit anticlimactic. Because you've been following it all along? Well, I mean, we've had no problem putting things on the moon and making soft landings what year was the um uh the the man mission 69 yeah okay wow yeah i get i never that's so funny i never thought of that i guess that's really important a soft landing if you're going to send a dude there.

So they did in three years, they started the first one in 66 and they landed it three years later. Yep. Wow. That's incredible. When we, where did we go? We went to Cape Canaveral. Is that where we went?

The Apollo 12 crew, which landed near a surveyor three had grabbed it and brought it back. Oh, really? Yeah. All seven spacecraft are still on the moon. None of the missions included returning them to Earth. Some parts of Surveyor 3 returned to Earth by the crew of Apollo 12, which landed near it in 69.

I know what my father's contribution to that effort was He got him to use The lunar landing spot As zero zero in the coordinate system And because the Earth is a geosynchronous Satellite of the moon From the moon there it's always in the same spot in the sky

Just like your direct TV satellite From our position The moon's constantly moving. It's always in a different place in the sky through the evening and on and on, right? But from the moon, you look up, you always, from your spot on the moon, you see the earth in the same spot in the sky always.

Oh, that's a trick. And so the equations, the math became much much simpler by using the landing spot intended landing spot as as your zero zero coordinate oh wow greg where was it that we went which which space station or which uh uh i don't know what you call it astronaut headquarters nas NASA headquarters did we go to? We went to NASA in Houston. What's that one called, Kennedy? I don't know.

Yeah, Cape Kennedy. That's the launch area. We went to their headquarters. Yeah. You know what it felt like to me? It felt really unsophisticated, almost like 1970s, 1960s Russia. The place felt empty. The buildings felt old. The equipment didn't seem

very advanced. They took us through, they preserved all of that command and control for the lunar landing. Yeah, we went into the command center. That had a very old look to it. Even remember the rooms we went into the command center and so that it that had it that had a very old look to it

but i mean even remember the rooms we went into where they showed us their equipment and we got to test some of their like workout equipment out i mean it just felt yeah they have an impossible workout scenario in uh at the international space station you can't even jerk off yeah it creates a harmonic that will rip the wings off the thing and so that people jerk off and they have men and women there'll be an alarm will go off and they're right there's a repetitive movement coming from this part of the space station uh you know and you like fire alarm goes off like foot tappers people that just like nervously tap a foot, you know, like the calf raise up, down, up, down, up, down, jiggling. You know what I'm talking about, guys?

Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. That movement will show up and set off alarms in the space station. What if you had an erratic jerk off movement, like two fast strokes, one slow stroke? trope you don't want to set up any kind of harmonic oscillation that amplifies what you're doing and expresses a thing on those on those extended arms of the space station yeah he said it would snap those solar panels off right yeah we break the arms of the thing you just bust it up you don't who me everyone you got to be careful yeah yeah those Those arms are solar panels, right? I think I remember him saying that. There's a lot on it.

Plumbing. The thing couldn't be more delicate. It's assumed that there's not much force acting on it. You create those forces and the thing doesn't hold up. How the hell do they run on those treadmills then? They had all these really primitive-looking shocks

like you'd see on an F-150 underneath them and shit. Yeah, and they got them hooked into straps, and it was ridiculous. And it doesn't really work either. Oh, yeah, that's right. They had the guys hooked into straps. Hey, pull that up a second, Caleb. Put treadmill in space.

See if, yeah, it's a mess. I can't imagine anyone uses that. They brought us in because they couldn't make anything work and they thought we'd have some answer. And we said, what you need to do is send out really, really fit guys and then bring them back. You know what else? It's really no different.

It's no different than it's no different than the uh you know the oda the uh uh guys deployed under conditions so austere so so unfavorable that you couldn't do anything but recommend not working out to that phase yeah you just train them really hard before they go and then dude we like it we don't have we don't have water we've run out of food we haven't slept in four days i'm like well how about forget the workout yeah just scrap it just try to exist for four days right right get home there are no age restrictions for nasa astronauts corp astronaut candidates have ranged between the age of 26 and 46, and the average age being 34.

Candidates must be U.S. citizens to apply for the program. That's probably not true anymore. There are three broad categories of qualifications, education, work, and medical. I think the average age of astronauts has skyrocketed. Come on. Dogs and monkeys have done it. Right.

Good point. Come on. Dogs and monkeys have done it. Good point. The post that SpaceX made of the next set of astronauts, they look old as fuck. They do? Yeah.

Let's see if I can find it. What do you think? I wonder if there is some... Do we know why we went to space this last time why we went to the moon is there some i think they're trying to make the moon like another launch pad to go to mars that's the idea it's like if we can we have a way to get closer we can use the moon to launch us to Mars basically. I'm going to guess it looks like China and Russia are planning on

deploying ICBMs to the moon. Wasn't Iran or Iraq claiming the South Pole or the North Pole this week as part of their... Why not? Why not? Caller high. Good morning, guys. Hey, good morning.

I'm just getting able to catch the show now. I was coaching my 9 o'clock class at my gym. So if you've talked about this, I apologize. My question for Greg would be, have you ever heard of the book Ordinary Men about soldiers and Nazi guards in World War II? Oh, hold on. I accidentally kicked Greg off the show. Fuck. Oh, man.

Greg, come back. I saw a second window pop up, and I tried to remove it, and it got rid of both of them. Hold on. Greg, come back. There you go. Hey, that was totally my hey that was my fault i saw a second window pop up and i accidentally kicked you off greg sorry okay it might have been relaunched it was ordinary men have i heard of it yeah um about and i heard jordan peterson talking it, and it's about how, you know, we look back at history and how can a regular person do what the Nazis asked these, you know, regular people who were Nazi soldiers, how can they commit those atrocities?

And it's just, you know, simple increment incremental steps that they took. And my question kind of relating that to the border problem here in the U.S. is at what point do these border security guards who say they're just kind of following orders, at what point do they say we're not following these orders anymore? We're stopping these people or we're deporting them. And, you know, to hell with the consequences of that. If you had any thoughts on that. Well, I do and it probably comes back to the, I think that the removal of soldiers from SOCOM and elsewhere, the pressure that my friends at LAPD SWAT are under to get vaccinated. I think those that are leaving rather than acquiescing, I think that's

grooming a police force and military that is ready to go door to door and kick down doors and drag your children out and vaccinate them. I think the, the process of making monsters of ordinary men is underway. There's, there's no one at SOCOM that I know and respect. There's no one I know in law enforcement that thinks that the quality of the operator is being increased by driving out those that aren't willing to knuckle under to this. I thought it was interesting that you used the border um

what about just the acceptance yeah what greg was saying people grabbing people's kids now the government grabbing people's kids um and us accepting it and it's gonna and it's happening uh more and more every single day faster and faster and it starts off with a few people saying hey it's not happening or it's an isolated incident or there becomes some justification for grabbing people's kids and then next thing you know it's just normal hey dude yeah i mean i mean even look at the abortion people start to push back even look at the abortion issue dude even look at the abortion issue for some reason for some reason it's's okay to abort a baby. Yeah, I just saw that there was a quote from one of the top Border Patrol agents.

I think it was just this morning or yesterday, an article talking about how the, you know, specifically Biden and his policies are responsible for American deaths because of illegal immigrants. And it's like, if you know that, when is your, well, right, we all knew that. But at what point is it your responsibility to not uphold those unlawful policies? I think Homeland Security ordered the Border Patrol, the Customs and Border Patrol people to resist the Texas National Guardsmen at the takeover of the station there. And I think they refused and walked, gave it to them. Our Supreme Court told Texas they couldn't put up the laser wire at the border. And I think they said, yeah, OK, we're almost finished. Hey, brother. Yeah yeah that's crazy i i recommend i recommend this book right here um it's a comic book um it's called uh uh mouse a survivor's tale of a father's a survivor's tale my father

bleeds history um it's two books it's an easy read and it's a it's a story, a true story of a guy in Nazi Germany, a Jew, as the shit went down. And you'll see in the story that basically as they start just slaughtering these people, they turn on each other. Right. It basically I always like that. I always like to depict it as is like, hey, we're going to throw 50 guys in a swimming swimming pool but the surface can only have 10 people at the top so no matter who those 50 people are they fight to the death to be one of those 10 people at the top and the other in the other 40 around i mean it's horrible it's a great book but it basically goes into the psychology as when shit hits the fan people will do anything and uh and it's it's kind of like that right now shit's hitting the fan for some people so they'll do anything i mean dude think about it's just it's just basic common knowledge that eating kellogg cereal will kill you and people are just and give you a lifelong misery with type 2 diabetes

and people are still just consuming it no one gives a fuck but it's got a heart symbol on the box evie i know right american heart association, it goes back to the discernment. It goes back to using your own discernment. Right. How about the school with the shooter in it and the police didn't go in?

And hey, and none of the parents ran in either. Everyone just fucking sat there with their thumb in their ass. Yeah. I'd imagine if that was your kids, you would have been the first one in there. I hope so, but I don't know. I've crumbled under pressure

before too. I've felt the pressure of society and not done things. We all like to think we're the hero in the story. But I've also been somewhere where there's a thousand people standing around while a woman beats the shit out of her daughter. And I had to run across three lanes of traffic

and I was the only person who fucking yanked the mom off the daughter. But that was in Berkeley, California. It's not really that hard to be brave there. You're just doing a bunch of pussies. All right, well well I appreciate the thoughts guys have a good day that mouse got great reviews too it's just not that the

numbers mean a lot to me but it is interesting it's an amazing book I think it won the Pulitzer it's great you bought this for me Greg it's well known it's a great book for me yeah all right i'm gonna see you soon i'm seeing you on the uh yep on the fourth yep

all right thanks for coming on thanks for dealing with my scratchy voice thank you everyone how are you feeling? Are you sick? I'm better. I'm significantly better, but I've been taking a lot of just shit like Robitussin, and I've been snorting Sinex like I'm a fucking coke fiend, but the good shit. Cheating. Hey, I'm about to go to Silver Spur. I am jealous. Hey, what are you doing?

Where are you, and what are you doing? Where are you and what are you doing? I'm in Telluride. You can't see out the windows, huh? No. Is it Telluride or Telluride? I hear Telluride. Telluride, okay. And what are you doing there?

Kids are skiing? Kids are skiing. They're out on the slopes right now. Wow. And you're going to hang with to see leaf hang with leaf and danielle already yeah yeah a couple times oh that's fun yeah super cool how's the town on ajax in the bottom 12 000 feet i see it right out the window you can't there's uh there's something on the image here it was interesting before i got into the studio, just on the regular laptop image,

you can see the mountain behind me perfectly in perfect form. The place looks beautiful. Hey, so that's just a little tiny town nestled in like a little canyon? Buddy, I'm telling you, man. These Jackson Hole, Vail, Aspen, they're all kind of the same. Do you like it? In a good way Jackson Hole is pretty commercialized Is this a little less commercialized?

I got the impression this is more small town It's liberal, it's gay ski week Is it really? Yeah Oh my god So it's like your own genitalia ski week Yes That's fucking unreal That's unreal Oh my. So it's like your own genitalia ski week? Yes.

That's fucking unreal. That's unreal. Did you know that going up there? Oh, I know. Did you go there for gay ski week, Greg? I won't judge you. The timing's perfect. I'll blend right in that way.

Oh, man. Everybody will just think you're like an old gay man. That's right. I have seen more dudes with long gray ponytails. And the chicks all have short hair, right? Yeah.

That's a bob cut. And all the dudes are missing hair up here, but they've got the horseshoe and the ponytail missing all the dudes are missing hair up here but they've got the horseshoe and the ponytail out back that's right I don't mind gay week in San Francisco but why does that like why it needs to I don't mind it

anywhere I do and someone was grousing to me about when Rosa Parks became conflated with RuPaul. And I had to tell him I would not support a system that makes the tranny sit at the back of the bus. No, neither would I. But here's the thing. I don't think it should be outlawed or anything.

I just don't want to support it. I don't want to support... Well, of course I don't know. I also am not interested. Yeah. support uh well of course i don't know i also not interested yeah i don't want i don't want any of my resources going to having a party for any sex week anywhere that's what bars are for or whatever go to school and meet a girl or meet a guy there doesn't need to be butt fuck on the weak slopes sorry i also don't want to uh distort or complicate the miracle of the difference between sexes.

Right. It's an amazing thing. And it's rudimentary to everything important about us. Why don't we have gay week at the border? We only let in gay people and we only, hey, you know, that's something I could almost get behind. No pun intended. I'd rather let in gay people than straight people.

How's that? That's how against gay people I am. If I could make every male in the world gay, I'd have already done it. Right. Well, you could get a job at Kellogg's. All right. Thank you, Greg. Have a good one. I'll talk to you soon.

Thank you, guys. Everyone. Bye. Good to see you, Greg. Ciao. all right thank you greg have a good one i'll talk to you thank you guys everyone all right bye good to see you greg ciao good did you kick him or did i kick him you did i don't care i don't kick anybody you don't kick greg out definitely not greg did you say did you see this thing from uh ravenymoné? Do you know who Raven is? Raven-Symoné? A singer?

No, she was like an old... I think it was Disney Channel. She used to have a show called That's So Raven. No. It was like my age group. Anyway. I only know the Mouseketeers from like the 70s. Okay, all right.

Well, anyway, she was on Oprah. And she told Oprah that she wasn't african-american she was an american she's just american she's like i know i'm black but i don't know if i'm like i'm not gonna claim african because i'm american and so a bunch of people are just fucking pissed about it they're saying that like doesn't she know that she's African? She's like, sure. But like, she doesn't know her lineage and she claims to be more American than she is.

Can't you just choose? Yeah. Right. But people, but her, her black fans are pissed that she said that she's not African American, but everybody else is like, duh,

you're American. Raven Simone. I'm going to look her up. That'll be great for the next show um i think there have been openly gay um male athletes in the games yeah the roots the guy also i can't remember his name i think it's nuna costa i think he also i think that dude won the gay games the gay games yeah the gay games i can't remember who went and filmed the gay games there's some funny jokes around the gay games like how do you prove you're gay i wonder if they have that problem like the neuromuscular division okay let me see are you darted or not

let me see are you gay or not oh yeah alex smith isn't alex smith is openly gay yep meredith rude alex i want to see some openly straight athletes i want to see someone play tonsil hockey with alexis raptus we should have taylor go to the games and say I'm the first openly straight Athlete to go to the games I'm the I don't think Taylor's I need proof that Taylor's straight

I'm not even joking Oh yeah, Khan, we have openly bi-athlete Khan Porter, yeah, there you go Noah Olsen, he's not gay or straight He's non-binary, abstinent First abstinent Yeahbinary abstinent first abstinent yeah abstinent athlete I can't see no hold on let me close my eyes no I can't I can't see Noah having sex

yeah it's tough it's tough. Yeah. Nope. He probably just lies very closely to his mate. Noah is not a poop stabber. Not at all. He's asexual. That is not true. I could see Pool Boy, though. Yeah, I could see Pool Boy doing some gay shit. Oh, shit.

I saw him doing gay shit with me when I closed my eyes. I'm not going to close gay shit. Oh shit. So I'm doing gay shit with me. And when I close my eyes, I'm like, I close my eyes for a week now. That was like some Freddy Krueger shit. I was trying to close my eyes, trying to get pool boy, do some gay shit.

And it was me. He was doing it too. Fuck that. Wow. I gotta be careful. I gotta talk to my editor. He's stabbing your poop in. Uh, I opened my eyes before we got there, but it i could think it was going there i think i was gonna take one for the

cradling the balls a little bit yeah all right uh i don't know what i want to tell you I got to make the news today the news is going to be great today I want to give you guys the mayhem the mayhem empire and Dave Castro declared war on each other it's just open war

it's always fun yeah that's really just latent homosexual suppression hold on let me see i'm gonna close my eyes and see if i can see dave and rich oh yeah quick i just closed my eyes i can see him in the 69 right away angelo in the corner they're they're laying they're laying on a bear rug. They're rich killed. They're pouring olive oil all over each other. Holy shit.

Wow. I didn't even know I could visualize. Ken Walters, clickbait. Ah, yes, but true clickbait. No, Haley didn't declare war on May we got we got uh shots being fired over the bow big big stories big stories big big news big news day big news day and hey uh that'll just leave more room uh for me to film uh more access for me at the games. There's also there's a great video that speaking of Mayhem

Mayhem Media just put out. They did that Heart of Mayhem 1 and now they have a Heart of Mayhem 2. It's about this chick Summer. This is really good. Better than the last one? Yeah. I think it's significantly better than the last one. Seve, have really thought this through sounds like not the first time you thought about

it i'm gonna i'm gonna chug some castro olive oil now hey so are the implications that they're teaching crossfit to the army but they're not calling it crossfit sure yeah i think that's kind of what greg was getting at someone needs to ask dave that because i think i want to say that dave like they're wearing what is it called like apex shirts they have those shirts that say apex on them or some shit they're like they they're not going around in seminar staff garb you're going around in this oh dave already talked about it uh clock says dave said as much so as so so yeah said as much now maybe i don't know i haven't looked that close into it oh facundo and we got an openly gay coach

there you go yeah there you go openly gay i'm gay but i'm just not openly gay i'm i'm really the uh unicorn i'm gay but i'm not openly gay oh my god so i'm gonna have to go to this crazy breakfast place right now and i'm not gonna eat anything because i don't want my sinuses to get all fucked up you know what i mean i'm trying to be careful what i put in my mouth but this place has like the meat lovers omelet and there's gonna be pancakes and there's gonna be fat motherfuckers everywhere just chowing my kids are going to be chowing. Sounds amazing. I'm so old I'm not even like sexual anymore.

We don't want pre-recorded episodes. We want live ones. Seriously? You guys, listen. Are you fucking serious? You don't think the news is cool? I just sit here and I just read off 10 things real quick. It going to be cool soon too because i'm gonna it's gonna look like a new show i'm gonna i'm setting up another part of the studio different camera angles like kind of a different sign i'm waiting for you guys to buy me a news new news sign um and

they'll be like uh it'll go back and forth between me being little on the side up here like it'll be like you know what i mean it'll be like they'll on the side up here. Like, it'll be like, you know what I mean? It'll be like, they'll be like, when I talk, I'll be like, say Caleb's the news. I'll be over here talking and it'll pop up. But there'll be all these cool graphics around me and shit. Selling you Paper Street coffee and Matuthean. Oh, my Matuthean came. Oh, my Matuthean came.

I'm stoked. I don't like the lid on the Matuthian, and I don't know if I'm ready to tell Dale that yet because they got it out so quickly, and it's beautiful. I don't know when you give the feedback. I don't know when you're like, hey, I don't really like the lid. What's wrong with the lid? It's like a child safety lid.

And so I just, I don't care that it's child safety. Yeah, you have to press it, but it's a little loose. Maybe he's going to be like, hey, we had to do that so it actually seals. It's better than other lids because then we get an airtight seal. I'm not sure what he's going to say. I don't like when it's to the hand. I'd like it to be just a tiny

bit more salty. Man, it's so good. I'm not being a pussy, dude. Listen, my wife says talking to me is all about timing. I just want to time it right. I just want to time it. I mean, like, they just killed it. It's killing.

Get some feedback on it first. Has anyone else gotten theirs? Yeah, your charcoal and eggshell should arrive tomorrow. Yeah, I love mine mine i just got mine yesterday i ordered it like the rest of you fools i went online yeah you're so okay so you like it's my only news outlet also dig the savvy after darkfield i like putting in stories like the double toilet and shit, too I need to put in some more like Trump stories, but

There's so much good cross the news I try to keep it like Andrew has a rule for me between 9 and 15 minutes basically The savvy after dark content that explains it. Well, I like that's Yeah, I yeah I oh you order both flavors hey I got the um the peppermint flavor I didn't get the regular flavor I need to get the regular flavor I think I would prefer the regular favor flavor I would have never said that toothpaste that tooth powder leaves your mouth feeling minty fresh because mostly just makes your mouth feel really clean but um they used this, they used peppermint oil

and it actually kind of gave me a little, like a little zing. Oh, Jeremy World, great question. When is the Medildocian coming out? Riley asks, why does the CrossFit website suck so bad? I could answer that, but I want to do the behind the scenes next year. All right. Oh, I think there's

some shit happening today. Oh, I think there's some shit happening today Oh God Thursday is going to be Fucking crazy you guys Do you guys know about Thursday How chaotic Thursday is I need to make a new show Just on the open and tell you all the crazy Shit that's happening

Basically Thursday before the open We're going to go live and then the open is going to happen and they're going to do some sort of workout and then they're going to do the open so we got to that's going to be kind of interesting i wonder i hope they pull that off i hope that's not a shit show and then after that we're going to go live on the podcast but also listen to this we're going to go live because bryson's going to do a workout and dallin and taylor are going to watch it and i'm going to be there too and we're going to and we're going to test the cameras and talk and they're going to talk shit

it's basically like a face-off but we're also going to get to see bryson do it bryson's the guy who wears the giant fucking craig ritchie shirts uh when he works out like his dad he's wearing his dad's night shirt and then but at the same time pedro don't tell anyone this i don't want anyone going over and watching it so don't share this with anyone but pedro is going to be live with tia to me and get with the programming's doing something oh my goodness busy and then friday night you guys are going to have a horribly tough decision i feel so sorry for you guys on friday friday on one hand you're going to have the lone ranger

podcast in rad doing um something with the open but on the other hand you're gonna have tay Taylor versus the world. Oh my God. Do you think they're just going to set up a camera and just start filming people doing the open? Just random people? I don't know what they're going to do. But

I really I love myself some Savage ones I love it Thank you Alright Easy choice I'm watching Daniel Brandon Is that who they're having Daniel Brandon

Good call You run over there You watch those You watch those Daniel Brandons danielle brandons we'll be over here holding down the fort with the savage ones all right um so you guys oh no is there i feel like i'm forgetting to tell you guys

something whatever i forgot to tell you i'll uh i'll tell you on the news which is coming soon okay bye-bye