The Sevan Podcast - Greg Glassman Uncensored #5 | Live Call In

Episode Date: July 16, 2023

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Starting point is 00:01:04 Good morning. Good morning, Patrick. Good morning, morning ken slater what's up good morning robbie myers good morning holly klein good morning finally able to catch the beginning in real time good morning sleaky good morning rambler good morning whoa rambler you weren't first you okay earth is flattened. Man, that was quite the show yesterday. Last night. That was different than the last.
Starting point is 00:01:33 He's not a flat earther. What was weird is he didn't want to be called a flat earther. He wanted to be. Oh, mustache is itching. He wanted to be called Oh, mustache is itching. He wanted to be called a stationary plane guy. Is that what it was? That was a lot. After when we got off and I was talking to Suzy, he's like,
Starting point is 00:01:56 Ooh, that was a lot. That was a lot for me. Greg coming in or what? I don't know. Good question. A day for the ages yesterday, Seve. Yeah, crazy, right? It was cool.
Starting point is 00:02:09 Jay Cooey, then Taylor, JR, and Vellner. That show's killing. I'm jealous of how good their show's doing. My goodness. Heidi Krum, I'm jealous. I'm so sad I missed the flat earth. I'm so sad. Now i'm stuck on the round earth you can change your perception you can make it any make it a triangle earth
Starting point is 00:02:32 uh seve can we get sema on to give her opinion on flat earth or globe stationary earth why she does she have a degree in um something oh uh that's funny you say that chester did you get into the bermuda triangle last night haven't finished no but he brought up the bermuda triangle there was no there was no um i i should have made a huge list i didn't realize that this show was going to get so squirrely uh i should have made a huge list because like the um like have the loch ness monster on there and just shit like that because when we did when uh the sasquatch did come up i thought it was kind of like supposed to be a joke and he's like no no he's seen the sasquatch too not and then and then when we dug into it he
Starting point is 00:03:24 hadn't seen it but he had been at a campfire where he sensed it or something uh Mike Fair I had the craziest dream about Seve having a conspiracy theorist expert that didn't let anyone else get a word in last night he's pretty fired up uh i'd like to come on for sauce squash oh like to be part of that show like just you have you seen one um yeah it was uh casein good morning. Scott Perkins. Good morning. I shouldn't say good morning to people who don't have profile pictures, right? Have like some sort of rule. Brett Bauer.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Good morning, Seve and Coach Glassman. Not yet close. Josh Lehrman. The apricot man, the plum picker. I love these shows with Greg. And then you never even really know if it's Josh or not. It could be his wife. Good morning.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Hey, good morning. How are you? I'm awesome. I had a stationary earth guy on last night, which is I think the derogatory term for them is flat earther yeah and it was two and a half hours he was really intense it was two and a half hours of him just full throttle on me i'm recovering i'm but i also had jay cooey on in the morning which was absolutely amazing man holy cow, he's absolutely amazing.
Starting point is 00:05:07 I fell in love with him from one video. I was watching him on a bike, road bike, pedaling through Pittsburgh traffic. Three seconds in, I'm taken by what a good rider he is, how fast he is, how many close calls. But none of it interferes with the lecture on virology he's giving, with his iPhone pointed at his head, hooked to the handlebars. I mean, I've never seen anything like that. I didn't know what was... It was this combination of genius and athleticism in a real world near death kind of. I mean, he's that's hardcore bike riding.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Yeah, that's how I found out you. You obviously sent me that video. And then you invited him to your house in Arizona, and that's where I met him. And then and then like the next three times, subsequent times I was at your house, he was there. Rodney said, I have a friend that you need to know and he was right and now we're another friend dude i um his wife is amazing his kids are amazing yeah he's amazing that that setting at your house you could i could talk to him for like five minutes here ten minutes there or even one minute but to sit down with him for two hours and hear his journey and then how he went from uh neurobiology to just kind of obsessed with immunology and virology for three years and kind of like wow he's he's a he is truly amazing. He's got – his brain is amazing.
Starting point is 00:06:48 He's got a crazy setup too, Greg. When I was interviewing him and we were talking about like – he was talking basically about the line of defense your body has for infections. And he could do something with his computer where he could do screen and screen. He could bring up his PowerPoint on the screen while I was talking to him. So he drew pictures for us of the NK cells and the T cells. And he did all that for us yesterday morning. It was amazing. And then he told me afterwards, he's like, Hey, you got to pull this show down and only publish it on rumble and Twitter. And the one question, and I said, why? I said, we haven't really done anything too crazy. He said, YouTube does not
Starting point is 00:07:22 allow you to ask one question. You're not allowed to ask, is chocolate milk real? You could say anything else you want about chocolate milk. You could say it came from the Wuhan lab. You can say that it came from bats. But you can't actually question whether it was real. And in this talk he was giving us yesterday, he was like, hey, is this thing even real? Like have they even ever isolated it?
Starting point is 00:07:43 What are its origins? You know what I mean? And he said, because we touched on that, you got to pull it down and only publish it. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, there was, I was, it was shown a conversation and it was in the comments on a YouTube video on PCR. She'd get with Emily or Bob Kaplan and see if you can pull that up. It's something that everyone needs to look at. I hate to
Starting point is 00:08:10 try and do it justice here from memory, but I'll hit some high points. On the isolation of the virus, I'm not a... Call me a virus denier. Go ahead. Virus denier.
Starting point is 00:08:26 There were papers written that talked about isolating the virus. And then there were people saying, no, I wasn't isolated. And the guy that hosted the thing that had posted the video, and it was on the limitations of PCR. He says, no, actually, several papers have come out where it was isolated. And the guy responds, you mean this one, this one, this one, this one, and this one? And he goes, yeah. And he goes, no.
Starting point is 00:08:59 He goes, the titles claim isolation. But when you look at the process, what they did was they took sputum samples and they lysed it. There was no attempt to, you know, none of the gradient centrifugation, electrophoresis, whatever those processes were. Typically, there's an enormous amount of labor that has you, people chime in and correct me where I'm fucking this up. But what you want to do is make sure that you have particles that are of identical mass. There's a bunch of physics that you want these particles to have in common.
Starting point is 00:09:39 And then you lyse it and look at the DNA. He says, you take sputum and you just, and you lies it without these steps. And it was interesting because the guy says, well, can you show us what it should look like when you do it right? And the guy dumped like 15 or 20 papers on it in a matter of a minute. And when you ask yourself why, how did they have this thing sequenced? And yet the papers that claim to have isolated it and found it, the process wouldn't end that result. This guy was saying there would be fungus in their fungus DNA. There would be other viruses. There would be bacterial, especially with anyone sick. You can't just take sputum and lyza and get a sequence. And the reason that we're
Starting point is 00:10:28 pretending to have sequenced it is because it didn't need to be sequenced because it was engineered. And that came out a long time ago. And it's very important. Say that last sentence again about it being engineered they did they don't you don't need to sequence it you made it right you already know the sequence they know the sequence that's where the sequence came from the fuckers that made it so that is one of the things we're also working on a vaccine it looks like right right right yeah the patents make it look like that the vaccine was already complete before um it even came out jay coo said i think i'm sorry to interrupt you no no go ahead i don't care jay um rodney introduced me to jay and jay was able to rekindle my connection with rfk jr and uh that the the bedfellows that this thing
Starting point is 00:11:30 creates is really fascinating that's the nature of politics generally anyways but here's a guy i may agree with him on almost nothing but you look at what we've been through in the past two years you look at the public health response in our uh the abrogation of our of our rights and freedoms and the shutting shuttering our schools and what we've done to our children um he and i are on the same page with that and his his book on Fauci is real. And it reads like a grand jury indictment. And then I was told by someone close to him, that indeed, that was it, that there wasn't going to be a grand jury indictment. So they did their own. They created privately, indictment so they did their own they created privately exactly but it is formatted exactly like that and it's profound and if if if one percent of it um were false the the litigation
Starting point is 00:12:36 damages would be astronomical you mean that fauci could bring for the false? Oh, he could make himself even richer than he is. Okay. That children's defense fund, they're sitting on a lot of cash. But that would be like when I called the NSCA soda whores and they sued me for it, and it unraveled their little world. You got to be careful who you sue. Right. Meaning if Fauci sues them for that book,
Starting point is 00:13:10 all it does is open up all his shit for discovery. Exactly right. He gets turned inside out. And he knows it. Yeah. Yeah. What he needs, what Fauci needed was censorship. That's what he needed. Theyauci needed was censorship that's what he needed they got it oh right right me oh so you've come full circle basically like basically what we can
Starting point is 00:13:34 and can't say on this show yes on youtube but the media can and can't say yep yep um anyone investing a lot of time energy money passion love uh anything and storing all of that on youtube you're an idiot anyone spending an enormous like me spending more spending an enormous amount of time dude i'm not only on youtube does that help it is you better i hope so yeah like right now we're streaming live also to facebook twitch rumble and twitter all of them simultaneously you can't have enough yeah okay because you're because everyone's days are numbered here if you if you thought you're gonna eventually i'm gonna fly too close to the sun smoked i watched i watched zoe harcombe and uh and uh our friend malcolm what's his last name kendrick yeah i watched them get removed from wikipedia as though they didn't
Starting point is 00:14:40 exist i'd put considerable effort into bringing them before us because they had messages that the the multitudes needed to hear and all she was talking about is um well she debunks papers for a living well explains papers for a living and debunks them but also because she has she speaks about food that's why she was kicked off of Wikipedia. No, these guys ran afoul of the statin folks. That's what happened. And the media machine came to do its dirty work for them and did it. And statins might be one of the biggest boons economically
Starting point is 00:15:19 for pharmaceutical companies, and she said that they're pointless. It's business. It's huge business. companies and she said that they're pointless business it's huge business and the and the the dream of pharma is to is to uh have it prescribed prophylactically so eventually it's in your fucking drinking water right yeah 20 billion annually globally that's massive oh no 22 billion in the u.s alone by 2030 is what they're estimating. Wow. Oh shit, profits are $19 billion a year. Incredible. So they're cheap to make and...
Starting point is 00:15:50 Yep. And what's wrong with them? What's wrong with them? Cholesterol is not the problem. Cholesterol is not the problem. Statins are a bigger problem than cholesterol. Cholesterol causes heart disease the same way that a plaster cast causes a broken arm. It seems exceedingly likely that the demise begins on the other side of the artery at the vasovasorum. It's all old
Starting point is 00:16:20 CrossFit stuff. And it was observed in the venous graft bypass surgery that the part you put in the trash can had a shitty exterior on examination, that the artery had not been fed from the outside by the vasovasorum and was beginning a death. And at these high pressure nodes, the body's response was to cement the other side of it with some plaque uh for those of you um i just want to give a quick simple explanation greg just said it i'm gonna say it again that thing that this tube down here down the middle this uh red blood flow is the artery and these little tiny tiny tubes on the side are the vasovasorum. And what Greg is talking about is when the outside of an artery wall doesn't get fed by a vasovasorum because you eat too much sugar and cells lose their motility.
Starting point is 00:17:16 They can't get down there to feed the wall of the artery. Damn, sir. That's exactly right. I learned this from you. They speculate then cholesterol comes and tries to patch the hole up from the inside. Well, it happens. We see these plaques at these high-pressure nodes, and people do get blowouts. That is a problem, and it would spell instant death or near instant,
Starting point is 00:17:41 depending on the rip, but very often instant. death or near instant depending on the rip, but very often instant. And the decrease in cell membrane motility comes about through glycation of the cell surface. That's why we're interested in your A1C. To what percent are your red blood cells glycated and that's where you have this permanent covalent bonding of a protein to the to a sugar and it makes the cell so that it can't conform and in the insulin it what i'm getting at here is that is the mechanism of diabetes and of the uh atherosclerotic disease may be one and the same. They could both be due to cell membrane motility. One makes it tough for the insulin to bind to the receptor site because of inflexibility or lack of motility of the cell.
Starting point is 00:18:40 And the other one in destroying the network that feeds, nourishes the artery, and getting plaque. Same phenomenon, really. And then so basically if you lower your cholesterol, all you're basically doing is throwing away the Band-Aids. Yeah, there's a bigger problem than that with the statins. I don't want to get into it here because so much brilliant work has been done.
Starting point is 00:19:08 But the big cholesterol book that I wrote the foreword to that has so many of our heroes in it, I don't want to, this is kind of old stuff for me. What book should they read? What book should they read? Anything by Ravenskov. Ravenskov, okay. Goofy Ravenskov, yeah. stuff for me what what book should they read what book should they read uh anything by ravinskov ravinskov okay goofy ravinskov yeah in the cholesterol myths you can actually pull it down and all of the footnotes and everything online it's a it's free but i'd also uh uh you're at anything the cholesterol myths ding dongs can read that and get it? You don't need to...
Starting point is 00:19:45 It's wonderful. Everyone can read it. Everyone should. Oh, and it's got great reviews on Amazon. The way the other side deals with Oofy is to pretend like he doesn't exist. It's called The Great Cholesterol Myths by John Bowden? Johnny?
Starting point is 00:20:02 No. Oofy Ravenskov. Oh, here it is. Cholesterol Myths. John Bowden? Johnny? No. No. Ufi Ravenskov. Oh, here it is. Cholesterol Myths. Exposing the Fallacy. Okay. Yeah. Look, someone made another book, and they just put the word great in front of it.
Starting point is 00:20:15 The Great Cholesterol Myth as opposed to The Cholesterol Myths. All right. There you go. Your first reading of something. it what was the other one um with the just horrible title about cholesterol yeah forget the name of it i've seen uh oh there's ignore the awkward the big blue book um i'm scrolling through Amazon to see what they see. The great cholesterol con.
Starting point is 00:20:48 No, these are all books I've seen around, uh, the office, your office. You've had all these, sorry. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Um, Greg, uh, do you have any opinions on blood flow restriction training? I don't even know what that is. You put a tourniquet on your arm and you go. Yes, it sounds like having sex with a belt around your neck. Cock ring training?
Starting point is 00:21:15 I don't know. I don't. Yes. I don't know what that is. Okay, here we go. matt burns uh greg i just finished the book a world without cancer we know it's a metabolic disease but it also talks about a cure as being vitamin b17 and treated with latril your thoughts what's it called how do you say latril latril yeah i think that's made from apricot pits
Starting point is 00:21:45 or some fucking thing oh yeah the stationary earth guy yesterday so I had a friend actually an arm wrestler buddy who did 10 years in jail selling apricot seeds as a cure for cancer the guy's mom had cancer and he did 10 years in jail for that
Starting point is 00:22:01 a New York kid and the guy yesterday was saying that, was it the guy? No, no. Maybe it was Jay Cooey who even brushed up against that. Someone said yesterday, yeah, the same carcinogens that are in apricot seeds are also to have something that's found in chemo. though i wonder if i wonder if i wonder if our friend jim would do your show don't even mention the last name but oh um he's a uh he's a physician that one no jim the Jim, the 30-year DOJ employee. Oh, oh.
Starting point is 00:22:49 Oh, wow, wow. God, that would be amazing. I mention him because he knows a physician. He's given me a lot of good leads, by the way. He's the one who gave me the homesteading guru who's a friend of yours. What's that guy's name? I take him to Hillsdale College and he runs into people he knows. It's hilarious. He might be the world's most interesting man.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Any thoughts on this? B-17? I didn't even know there was a B-17. No thoughts. Any thoughts on this? B17? I didn't even know there was a B17. No thoughts. Okay. None at all. Matt, we'll give you a read.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Nothing would surprise me. And I also feel like if I had to just bet right here, I'd say it's bullshit. But then if I found out tomorrow it was true, that wouldn't surprise me. The amount of fraud and nonsense and bad science, it's everywhere. But our problem is that it's also coming out of the CDC. So there's an every man for himself kind of thing. And in that environment, it's, it's, there's just, it's, it's, it's sad. in that environment, it's, it's, there's just, it's, it's, it's sad.
Starting point is 00:24:12 My hope was that CrossFit would carry the mantle that had been of a charter that you'd, you'd have to, you know, what would we presume that the charter of the CDC would be or the NSCA or the ACSM or the NIH? And when you, and it's, it's easy. or the ACSM or the NIH. And what would it be to give honest and scientific inputs on issues critical to your health, right? Fundamentally, something like that, or fitness. And when you see that so clearly abandoned for Soda Pop, for instance, I thought that this was a great opportunity for us to do that, to be that trusted source.
Starting point is 00:24:53 I said, I want to be the underwriters laboratory, which is an amazing history, an amazing company. It's been public, it's been private, it's had a bunch of forums, but it is a trusted authority and it is an independent entity. And I wanted to be the underwriter's laboratory of health, of wellness, because so much sickness was a direct result of things directly within our control, sedentarism and excessive carbohydrate load. Is Underwriters Laboratory a private company? Look what their current status is. I forget the story, but it's a fascinating story. The Wikipedia article is interesting. Everyone here knows about the Underwriters Laboratory. Even if you don't know, you know. If you look at any electronic device, you'll see that like UL
Starting point is 00:25:43 symbol on it. It says about us as a global safety science leader ul solutions helps companies to demonstrate safety enhance sustainability strengthen secure security deliver quality manage risk and achieve regulatory regulatory compliance the sustainability thing such bullshit but anyway so you're saying that you wanted crossfit and i remember you saying that like hey we're going to be the underwriters laboratory to we we were we were we were the people that came through look Jason Fung uh Zoe Harcum uh uh Roche uh David Diamond uh Malcolm Kendrick Luffy Ravenskov, Tim Noakes. I mean, there's 50 or 60 of them of what I call messperts. And they had a clear understanding of the mess and often from typically from very, very different scientific backgrounds and perspectives. But these were people that were smart enough, smarter than everyone else,
Starting point is 00:26:50 and about something that was essential, and essential in the sense of, you know, like an essential amino acid vital to the functioning of the organism and its health. They were smarter than everyone else about something extremely important and then also brave enough to do something about it and very often it's significant personal costs.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Again, this is something that we saw long before COVID. Zoe's a great human too. I think she is the smartest person on the subject of nutrition that i have ever heard speak on the subject of nutrition and i've heard some legends and a bunch of morons i've listened to way i've i know way more about nutrition than i need to know or want to know or wish i knew i used to start the nutrition lecture but i fucking hate talking about nutrition
Starting point is 00:27:46 and the problem is everyone's a fucking expert matt um uh i'll refund you your money back no cancer advice today a cave castro twitch is fine with soft core porn but they're not okay with dangerous speech. Logan Mars, meats, vegetables, nuts, and statins, some Viagra, a little vaccine, and no science. Thank you, Logan. Eaton Beaver, good morning, coach. Seve has put in a lot
Starting point is 00:28:17 of work lately. Yeah, man, I've just begun. This is going to be a crazy three weeks. Fergie Show, thank you for the loop, buddy. I truly appreciate it. Fergie Show, thank you for the loop, buddy. I truly appreciate it. Fergie Show again. Thank you, Greg, for bringing applied mathematics to health and fitness. I really appreciate that. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:28:38 I don't know if I did that or not, but I think you recognize the effort. And it is there in work capacity to cross broad time and mortal domains and that third dimension going out into age, being a health in a 3D form. I mean, it's there, but it's only significant because it was never done before. But it would be obvious. And if you took just about any electrical engineer or chemical engineer and asked them to think about fitness, they would have come up with CrossFit. Will Branstetter. Wow another uh flat earther on we don't it's called stationary earth and um greg um you're you're you're a globalist though right you you're you're in the right you're
Starting point is 00:29:34 in the round camp i had a home on kawaii and it was always uh rumored amongst the locals that everyone knew someone or knew of a time or place where you could see Oahu from Kauai. But in my backyard on many, many days, we clearly saw it and saw it regularly. So I get to tell these old people, no, it's true. You can. But what made it weird is you could only see the top of it. And you had to do some pretty good Google Earth kind of, you know, looking and moving and topographical maps
Starting point is 00:30:15 and all to realize what had happened. Two-thirds of it at 70 miles away or whatever was gone. So Greg is still a globalist he i think i know i think i know why fair enough right yeah yeah uh natalie bates hi uh thank you for explaining that correlation i'm sad both my father and mother-in-law are currently being told they have arteries closing and need replacements or stents. You know, hi, Nat. It's good to even see your image there, Jared. Look, when you need a stent, you might need a stent.
Starting point is 00:30:59 You might need bypass surgery. You just might need bypass surgery. I'm not. What would be important to figure out is how you got there and i don't have answers for what you do next but i wouldn't make it worse i mean i would after my bypass surgery celebrate with a blueberry muffin you would not no yeah um I want to show you a this is totally switching
Starting point is 00:31:29 I wouldn't take statins at all ever ever they're not addressing the problem this hammering on the speedometer of a runaway train that was my father's line the treating of things
Starting point is 00:31:46 symptomatically, sometimes that's all you got. Very often it's worse than doing nothing. But when the cause is as simple as the underlying, you know, etiology is so straightforward, move around a little bit and reduce your carbohydrate intake. Right? I mean, we've got thousands of affiliates that have seen this firsthand. It's something that you can walk someone through to success. This is exactly what Virta's doing. Oh, that's right.
Starting point is 00:32:30 They're still around? I presume they're thriving. I mean, unless they fell into some kind of calamity. The website active set that they're there. I'm looking it up. How do you,
Starting point is 00:32:48 uh, Berta health. Yeah. Yeah. Sponsored link on YouTube. Here we go. Here we go. Uh,
Starting point is 00:32:57 I hope this is the right one. Uh, Berta, a new model for type two diabetes care. Yeah. They got, I mean, is today the 25th of January? Yeah. They got today's care. Yeah, they got, I mean, is today the 25th of January? Yeah, they got today's date. Yeah, they're good to go. We went to their headquarters
Starting point is 00:33:14 in San Francisco, right? Indeed. In fact, I got to speak at their annual company meeting, got to open it. And Sami Inkanen is considered my friend. The founder of Trulia. Yes, in fact.
Starting point is 00:33:34 He'd won the professional division of the Ironman and same year was diagnosed as a type 2 diabetic, I think. Isn't that the story? Yeah. And he rode across the Atlantic and set a world record with his wife. After the diagnosis and once becoming a ketogenic kind of guy. Oh, I remember when you spoke there. He's in physics and you said it took him 30 days, I think was the story, to wade through the bullshit and figure out it was carbohydrate toxicity.
Starting point is 00:34:17 I remember you – that was the fancy hotel that's on the hill, the Chaminade or something you spoke at, right? Yes. Yeah, okay. I remember that. Great company. Any of you out there who have loved ones with the type 2, get them on Virta. It's basically a one-on-one coach that just makes sure you're eating the right shit, right? Brian Mulvaney referred to it as iPhone Atkins or something. He had some derogatory take on it, but fuck that, it works.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Yeah. Some people need that. Everyone does. I mean, there's a problem in seeing someone every six months and expecting to coach them to be a docent to get them to the promised land of health that's that's rough uh poor boy uh statins gave my father an incurable incurable autoimmune disease that slowly ate away his muscle tissue tank reeves attaboy greg statins are like injecting McDonald's straight into the heart Bruce Wayne, what does Greg think about peptides? I don't have an opinion
Starting point is 00:35:34 But I sure run into a lot of people Going out of their way to do a peptide thing And a neighbor of mine just got back from Mexico Doing the peptide deal For three weeks I've been injecting peptides into this, um, into this bicep. And I heard it like five months ago. Have you really? Yeah. And I mean, I did pull-ups for the first time in, in, in four or five months i did a strict muscle up from the top descending down slowly and then pulling through with almost no pain i don't know i can't tell if it's um uh
Starting point is 00:36:18 but but i i'm um with these needles i inject it with this little insulin needle. It comes in a little bottle with just white powder. Your friend, I met her. Yeah, Sarah. Yeah, I got it from her company. Yeah. It's a peptide called BPC-157.
Starting point is 00:36:41 No thoughts. Yeah. I'm enjoying my arm being back pretty quickly too oh here here we go tyler slide from facebook i'm on day three of bpc 157 not a fan of stabbing myself i can't tell if it's working yet but i'm hopeful it i don't even feel it really the needle is so small oh look there's Sarah right there hi Sarah so you know people Greg who have been doing it too? yeah
Starting point is 00:37:15 and what do they say? you know they're all excited I just listen I really don't I wouldn't be surprised if it was bullshit I don't know. I just listen. I really don't. I wouldn't be surprised if it was bullshit. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked.
Starting point is 00:37:30 Right. Okay. I truly don't have opinion on something for which I have no information. Don't you have a wonky shoulder? Yeah. Two of them. Well, there you go. You should try some.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Try some peptides. Are you afraid of needles at all um yes really i thought you were gonna be like that's a pain that's now it's that i'm throwing my squirt something in our body that's gonna fuck me up right got it yeah i don't want your vaccine your peptides i don't you know i'm not gonna take ozone i don't want an iv for a hangover right i would like to keep uh needles out of my veins and body yeah injecting shit straight into you you know hey we we just went through this thing with with maggie and her leishmaniasis. A sand fly sat on her shoulder and left us with a
Starting point is 00:38:29 medical problem. That was in the Caribbean? Yeah, in Belize. In Belize. Yeah, we ended up at a tropical disease specialist at the Mayo Clinic it's all over now but it is over now it's all done it was an ordeal I can't I can't endorse a bug repellent enough.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Start an argument with people. Oh, like this? Yeah, I'm terrified of that stuff. Like the DEET stuff. Yeah, I rub it all over all my clothes, put it on my hat, flock my fucking socks and shit. Sarah said she'll send you some peptides.
Starting point is 00:39:29 My wife won't have anything to do with off and she ended up with a tropical parasite. I remember sitting there going, it looks like you have pepper on your legs. Look at the bugs on you at the beach. In paradise.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Yeah. And we took a nanny to Hawaii that got chicken gunya from mosquito bites. Oh. Remember that? And it's continued health problems residual from that. Hey. problems residual from that hey that so jay cooey was on another podcast with a guy named randy bach who's a phd and a physician and randy wrote a book called the great zika myth and basically that there was never any proof ever of anyone getting Zika
Starting point is 00:40:26 when they were pregnant and causing not encephalopathy, but what's that called when you have a… Microcephalic. Yeah, born with a mini head. And he wrote a whole book about it, and basically the CDC of Brazil told everyone there, no one here have any kids until we get the vaccine for Zika. Well, the vaccine for Zika never ever came out.
Starting point is 00:40:52 The problem went away and they never told the population that they could start having kids again, right? There was never like, you know what I mean? It was just like pull the fire alarm and then leave the room and leave the people in a mess it was it was it was i watched that podcast it was a very interesting podcast and he wrote an entire book on it it's like it's it's a trip they didn't have an audio version so i didn't buy it hey i want to i want to play this video for you. This is the theme I haven't heard you play.
Starting point is 00:41:31 This is a podcast in the CrossFit space. It's called Kettlebells and Cocktails, and this is a female. Hold on. Hold on one second. Corey, you got to wait one second. I'm having a phone issue. Hold on. Hold on. Give me one second Corey you gotta wait one second I'm having a phone issue hold on hold on
Starting point is 00:41:47 give me one second Corey give me one second here I didn't even put the phone number up look at Corey how slick he is let's see if I can get the phone connected I apologize guys here we go Corey hey Corey Let's see if I can get the phone connected. I apologize, guys. Here we go. Corey, hey.
Starting point is 00:42:07 Corey. Morning. Hey, good morning. Hi. Man, I felt like I was edging waiting to speak. Edging's good. Every girl likes that. Yeah. Mr. Glassman, how are you doing, sir?
Starting point is 00:42:19 Very well, thank you. So I said, I'm fantastic. I just got a four-year-old getting ready to head into work. So couldn't be better. You just got a what, Corey? You broke up and you just got your four-year-old ready to go to school? Yeah. Yeah, her and I work out in the mornings in the summertime.
Starting point is 00:42:37 So I just got my workout in. Awesome. I'm headed to work. Awesome. So it's a good Friday. So I sent you a text, Sebon, and I figured while Mr. Glassman was on, I would tell him what we were talking about. I would do anything to figure out how to get you to the East Coast for a BSI. Oh, yeah. Corey's a professor at a university out there. OK. Yeah, you did. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Did I ignore you, Corey i did i ignore you cory did i ignore you no i think you just probably gave me the like the standoffish thumbs up oh yeah i did yeah i get it yeah you're busy i get it but yeah i teach in north carolina on the east coast and so i told him that yeah that would be awesome if you came out here and did a BSI. I don't know if we're in your radar, if you've got other networks, higher universities, but keep me in mind for sure. Corey, thank you. Sevan will share my contact information. Let's talk about that. What I'm going to say is I'll do it, but I have no sense of when from here.
Starting point is 00:43:43 I don't care. Yeah. I just wanted to make sure that. but I have no sense of when from here. I don't care. Yeah. I just wanted to be on your radar. So when you start thinking of coming this way, I'll do whatever it takes to make sure we can support and compensate and whatever we have to do to get you, get you over here. I'd love to hear it firsthand. I'm on the East coast. So I haven't been to the Arizona or at Castro ranch to be able to hear it, but I love what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Where in North Carolina? I'm in Greenville, North Carolina, so about two hours from the Outer Banks. So I'm at ECU, East Carolina University. Is there an affiliate close by? where is there an affiliate close by yeah we've got two we have uh one about 20 minutes for me and then one in the heart of greenville so you'd be you'd be very close to an affiliate to be able to conduct it and i can get you in connection with with their team as well i teach small business and so we've worked with – I love CrossFit, so every chance that I get, I'm always trying to work on the business.
Starting point is 00:44:51 So we've done business plans for the CrossFit businesses here and explored other revenue streams. So they'd be more than willing to talk to you because of the work that we've done with them. Sandy, will you take a little lead on this and help see what we can do? And let's talk to Emily too. And I think we should do this at the affiliate rather than at the school. For some reason,
Starting point is 00:45:13 the schools don't seem real fuzzy to the idea that the bulk of the science they do with the natural sciences accepted is a bullshit. You know, it's a, it's a, it is a hard thing to hear. What I have been accused of is being anti-science. And the failure is in the lack of replication. And the tragedy is that the, that academic medicine has caught an epistemic disease from fucking psychology and sociology. And that's null hypothesis significance testing and peer review. It's created an enormous over certainty in research. And the net result is that we go back to try and replicate this work and it won't. So it's my favorite thing to talk about.
Starting point is 00:46:22 And I'm absolutely fascinated by it. I'm not the only one. Well, I'd be honored to. I'm not alone. I'd be honored to see it in person. Yeah. It's strange. I feel like an outsider in my own classroom.
Starting point is 00:46:35 It's almost like we're teaching critical thinking out of the students. And so it would be an honor to witness it firsthand and get my students to be able to be a part of the BSI. So yeah, if Seve wants to get in contact with me and we'll work something out, that would be great. Corey, text me in a couple hours
Starting point is 00:46:56 when I'm clear from the show, and then I'll see your text and I'll connect you to Emily Kaplan. She's partners with Greg in the Broken Science Initiative. Okay, I appreciate it. I'll let y text and I'll connect you to Emily Kaplan. She's partners with Greg and the broken science initiative. Okay. I appreciate it. I'll let y'all get back. I love y'all. Thanks for calling Corey. I always love hearing your voice, buddy. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Nice to meet you. Where were we? Daniel Garrity. I think most academics would agree with your criticism of science greg god i wonder if that's true i hope you're right um i just you know i i don't have i don't have extensive experience here but i i have had uh i don't know what you want to say. I know that I have spoken at a university and it was reported to me that some of the faculty felt threatened.
Starting point is 00:48:03 And I couldn't get anyone to stand up either come to me privately or publicly stand up and say anything but uh i heard things afterwards that were that were surprising to me so and and this was at a school where i had a high expectation of open-mindedness. Here's what I think is happening. I think those people are – someone pulls up to show you their brand-new car, and you're like, you have a dent in the back. And they're like, no, I don't. And so then they quickly – they get so upset that you point out the dent in their car that they start spreading the rumor that you hate cars when actually you're a car aficionado right do you know what i mean like they you're saying science is broken i mean god we live with fucking morons but you're saying science is broken
Starting point is 00:48:54 let's fix it and they're saying you're anti-science yes and it's nuts and not only that you're meticulous in your in your in the details and in the conciseness of pointing out exactly what's wrong with science there's the dent it looks like it happened from a tree falling on it and here's here's how we can fix it and instead of being saying thank you they're like you asshole you hate cars it's nuts i've i've heard i've heard an enormous amount of criticism of CrossFit, of all sorts, theoretical, semi-technical, but I've not had anyone take exception or have a problem with constantly varied high-intensity functional movement increases work capacity across broad time and modal domains. On that, nothing. Which is the bedrock.rock yes the essence of it yeah yeah the essence of it felt like goofy ravenscob you just oh you ignore the guy on that subject don't don't go there whatever you do
Starting point is 00:50:00 it's amazing how yummy are those pencils above your head to the right god look at those yeah you always have fun shit like that in your house look at that pencil sharpener too that is the pencil sharpener if anyone's ever wondering the exacto school pro i'm gonna look at it. What's it called? Forget all others. The Exacto School Pro. Like the Exacto knife people? Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:50:33 That thing is a monster. Oh, it's electric. I thought it was one of those old school like you crank electric. Yeah. I thought it was one of those old school, like you crank it. Yeah. That's the one? Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:50:54 I like that you have it up there so no kid can use it. Yeah, I don't want to. They don't need to do that. I can see Rhett just grinding down a whole pencil. Oh, dude. The things they'd stick in there. I have to lock the classroom. They're so excited to go in there and learn?
Starting point is 00:51:14 Oh, but they'd just come in here and just ransack the place. I'm going to show you this video. You've heard this before, but it'll be a fun subject to talk about before this girl on the bottom is a crossfitter she was a crossfit games athlete and she's talking about her journey of crossfit so I just wanted you to hear this a little bit here this is a podcast in the
Starting point is 00:51:36 crossfit space called kettlebells and cocktails okay here we go I'm not supposed to play more than 7 seconds but I think these guys are pretty cool they're fine with it here we go I gotta like you know cut all this stuff out so food was a real problem for me for like a really long time and i i don't know what to describe it because i don't want to say i had an eating disorder because i know so many people who struggle with that so i don't want to compare my problems to like people who've actually been
Starting point is 00:52:03 diagnosed with these things but i would do things where i would like eat you know so much in one day where i'd feel so guilty that like the next day i would really try to like be like okay well i'll just like i'll cross it out i'll like fast for an entire day and it was really really really bad like really toxic um until i found crossfit senior year of college and then then I started just kind of getting my shit together and realizing that that's not going to help anything. Until I found CrossFit. So she had an eating disorder, and then she found CrossFit, which is funny.
Starting point is 00:52:33 The irony is I didn't have an eating disorder, and then I got around all these buff dudes in CrossFit, and I got an eating disorder. I had a client long, long ago at a spa fitness center who is the author of a book on eating disorders and who's a regular talk show expert and like an authority. an authority and she and i would look at some of the girls that would come into the gym and the you know the girl that was there at 4 45 for the door to open and was on the treadmill still at eight or nine o'clock and would have a little baggie with the rice cake in it right yeah yeah and uh you could see the lack of health and there was an obsessive compulsive sadness to it.
Starting point is 00:53:30 But, and I've mentioned this, I think on your show before, but in 95, Dr. Michael Norton wrote a book Beyond Prozac, right? Yeah, yep, yep. There was also a Listening to Prozac, right? Yeah. There's also a Listening to Prozac. Both excellent books, by the way. Absolutely fantastic books.
Starting point is 00:53:51 But Beyond Prozac, he says that there's a, he posits a prostaglandin origin, like an eicosanoid origin for mental illness. And he's got a two-page list in his book very early of the things that he says Barry Sears' zone diet has done more for than the medication. He was a very senior research psychiatrist at UCLA. And I had read that, knew of the work when I was working with this woman. But I told her, I understand the starving yourself to death, but it's interesting to me that it seems to be only carbohydrate. The little that they do eat, it's purely carb. And she says, no, that's not true.
Starting point is 00:54:42 And I said, really, you're sure? And she's, yeah. And I said, well, bring me one of these gals that instead of having the rice cake or whatever the thing was, that's got cashews or a little beef jerky. She's still, you know, 500 calories a day and dying, but eating that 500 calories, I've got something that's got some amino acids of value. And she says, well, I will. I will. And I said, okay, you bring her to me and I'll train her for free. It'll be my gift.
Starting point is 00:55:16 And I nagged her on this over the space of about a year and she quit training with me. And I was kind of committed. She was either going to bring me one of these people admit that i was right or fucking don't come back anymore because it's all i want to talk about this is it's an organic brain syndrome and something and you can't tell me that that the lack of amino acids and essential fatty acids isn't exacerbating the damn thing. Well, that girl in that podcast goes on to say thank you profusely. She says thank you, Greg Glassman, for saving my life. And then she launched a clothing brand called Dump Truck Hottie.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Beautiful. Yeah, and a crazy successful clothing brand. Congratulations. Yeah. Anyway, it's crazy successful clothing brand. Congratulations. Yeah. Anyway, it's cool. I think that's a story. And it's cool that she recognized you and said, thank you, Greg. I always like that.
Starting point is 00:56:13 CrossFit final call. My wife had a similar experience. Yeah, it's a common story, right? A girl with body issues does CrossFit and kind of the body issues start to go away. girl with body issues does CrossFit and kind of the body issues start to go away? You know, one of the best things I did at CrossFit in terms of my own contribution and things we published, but A Better Beautiful. I was very proud of that and I still am. Yeah. That was Marty Say and John.
Starting point is 00:56:48 Marty read it, right? You wrote it, Marty? Marty read it or something? Yeah, I think that was it. I know I wrote it. And Marty had a good voice. CrossFit helped save my mom's life. Thank you for all you've done, Greg.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Tell your mom thank you uh let's see um uh duly i'm glad she found cross fitness healthier okay great good uh oh here we go uh jenny vacaro vacaro uh cross it was a huge help with my eating disorder it's hard to crossfit and not eat. Grateful. That makes sense to me. Oh, here we go. It can't be that the sedentarism and the refined carbohydrate that's creating chronic disease has anything other than deleterious effects on the brain. You're not going to poison every organ in your body except your brain.
Starting point is 00:58:04 That's it. That's it that's it that's it well we as we were talking about the vasovasorum earlier and um i forget the word you use i think maybe glycated or something but as you as you another word i've heard you use a caramelize is you as you fuck cells up uh with by eating sugar they're going to get fucked up everywhere and lose their motility everywhere, right? Including the brain. It does. Hey, that fitness in a hundred words, do you remember how you came up with that?
Starting point is 00:58:35 Where you came up with that? Where you were sitting? What the inspiration for that was? No. Nope. Maybe it'll come to you is it weird that you don't remember I don't think I probably have to hold the issue again
Starting point is 00:58:53 was that the one where I mentioned Mark Allen and Greg Ellenson is that in what is fitness I wish I could answer that I don't Mark Allen and Greg Ellenson? Is that even what his fitness? I wish I could answer. I wish I could answer that. I don't know. Maybe someone in the comments will say though.
Starting point is 00:59:16 Morning Chaka. They're almost dead. I don't know. Actually, I don't know how they're they've they're almost dead i don't know actually i don't know how they're not dead um when uh base it seems like what happened was is after uh rosa left and andrew weinstein left that basically that's how morning chocolate was sort of tethered to CrossFit through them through that sort of PR relationship and when and when Weinstein left morning chocolate kind of faded away I imagine uh uh Don quit paying them after it was exposed that that they were lying about David Castro and the games in the E. coli. And I think they had some other issues too. I think there were a couple lawsuits against or potential lawsuits looming
Starting point is 01:00:19 for Mr. LaFranco, both with employees, one man, one woman. And so basically he vanished. They came as close to being sued as you possibly could over the lying about the water. Oh. Supporting that. You think there was something nefarious there? Absolutely, positively
Starting point is 01:00:50 was. It was an attempt on Dave's character. And it failed. The clock, Emily Beer's smear job on Dave, that was really something else. Yes, unbelievable. That was really something else. Yes, unbelievable. That's a cool clock.
Starting point is 01:01:09 Do you know it? Yeah, I think it could be one of these marathons, like this one. Hey, you gave up on the Jabra headset? I mean, your voice sounds good. Oh, that's nice. It's a great clock. You gave up on the Jabra headset, Greg? Yeah, fuck that.
Starting point is 01:01:27 If this works, it works. Okay, yeah, it works. Do you like things on your ears like that? It's like a bulletproof vest. I don't know. It makes me feel important. Yeah, you know you're working, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:43 You have to create some pain because otherwise it'd be just like us talking it's part of my work but you are because you have that thing squeezing your ears it's part of my costume it's my utility belt i love it it's a good look on you it really is thank you this flat earther guy told me he said it's kind of you would think if you're going to try to change the world view on pretty big shift on the world view on how things operate. At one point he said, if you didn't fucking wake up after 9-11, you're a fucking idiot. And it was kind of a trip because I was like – he's like, there's no hope for you. I was like, man, you should be a little more patient. Like you're really trying to get – trying to explain something, give people a huge monumental shift in their perspective of the cosmos.
Starting point is 01:02:41 Did he seem in any way, shape, or form insane? Did he seem in any way, shape, or form insane? I don't think so, but the people in the comments, he was getting tore up. It wasn't the hospitable environment for him. Is he kidding? So someone texted me this morning. He's made like five movies on it, right? So he's put in so much time and effort.
Starting point is 01:03:08 But someone texted me this morning and said, hey, I kept waiting for him in the show to be like, I'm just kidding. No, he's done – it's extensive. It was two and a half hours of him really trying to convince me. Any articles you ever wrote for the journal that didn't that didn't see the light of day no i mean dude i was editor publisher writer you know i'm amazed that there's few errors in them as as there are and and did you ever write spend like three days working on something and then it's gone like you had a computer saving error or you lost it or savvy i lost an entire microsoft outlook account email pre-cloud when it sits on your machine yeah i'm on tech support with Microsoft and they're like okay type in at sign
Starting point is 01:04:05 tilde backslash caret 9 and I'm doing it and they go what do you see and I tell them what I see and the guy tells me that's not possible I'm like what let's try it again and that's not possible it was gone
Starting point is 01:04:22 hold on one second with that thought greg uh mars hi how are you hi good how are you guys doing today you know happy excited happy to be that's awesome yeah um i got a question for greg greg um do you see like the side effect of so many things being crammed in our throat as science settled? And, you know, can't question anything when authoritative scientists say X or Y. Like some of the consequences being this flat earth, hollow earth, don't believe anything you eat, don't believe anything we're traditionally told. anything you eat, don't believe anything we're traditionally told. Is that all a side effect from people being disillusioned by just some of these top scientists? And are you trying to – is a big foundational part
Starting point is 01:05:13 of what you're trying to do just rehab science? You know, Mars, I don't – it's not really the way I think, but potentially, but exceedingly unlikely. But I do think that we can do this. I think we can build community that gives people the tools to give them a pass from being the stooge of fake science and its purveyors. from being the stooge of fake science and its purveyors. It should be a very natural inclination to laugh at someone that says,
Starting point is 01:05:58 if you don't believe me, what I say, then you're not following the science. Well, the whole, like, if you didn't wake up after 9-11 like a complete opposite echo of like well then you don't the science or or if you don't believe what i say then you're not a serious person because you know xyz publication whatever but it sounds like a classical fallacy doesn't it yeah and both both both sides doing that. Yeah. Do you think if Unitec and, let's say, you know, the big poke companies keep having their way, like a crazy counter-reaction and like large part of
Starting point is 01:06:47 the culture where it's almost like a dark ages of some communities and super medicated on the other sides like goes amish like half the country goes amish well yeah amish and it's amish and i it's hard i'm not trying to insult anybody but it's so hard to have a conversation with someone who believes you know Stanley Kubrick directed the moon landing and it's so it's so hard I mean I'm not
Starting point is 01:07:16 saying I was there and I saw you know that we landed on the moon and like at the end of the day can't anything you see anymore just because we've been tossed around so long in the last, especially since COVID. And I'm not trying to say that if you haven't woken up since COVID, then you're an idiot. Because that's just an echo of the other guy. Can you hold on one second, Mars? Hold on one second.
Starting point is 01:07:40 Dan Guerrero. Dan, you asshole. Does Greg believe in gravity? Be more specific. are you talking about newtonian gravity or einstein's version a theory of gravity i know what you're doing dan dickhead and i love you he's making fun of me because i was explaining yesterday that gravity is just an explanation of a phenomenon that's happening on earth and then a lot of people can't distinguish the explanation between the fucking the fact that they've accepted gravity as some sort of fucking reality as opposed to an explanation. But there's different kinds of explanations, buddy. So if you want to turn into a smart Alec, why don't you say which one you're explaining?
Starting point is 01:08:13 See, I don't. Einstein's version or Einstein's version. Sorry, go ahead. Sorry, Mars. I didn't mean to hijack your shit. Dan got me all pumped. No, I'm hopping off. OK, love you.
Starting point is 01:08:23 Bye. I wouldn't even know. I wouldn't even know. I don't even know how to process believe in gravity. Okay. Try again, Dan. You spent two bucks. Ask the question again. Go ahead, buddy. Yeah, I don't.
Starting point is 01:08:42 I mean, like you have no idea how hard it would be to throw me off this balcony. So I guess I do believe it. You couldn't do it. You couldn't do it. Right. Maybe in that sense I believe in it. It's just a joke. Because I've said before there's no such thing as gravity.
Starting point is 01:09:04 The gravity, you have to be able to distinguish the difference between your thoughts and reality, and the gravity is an explanation. It's not a – it's not out here. The fact of you falling and hitting the ground, that's real. But there's no – no one's touching, at least for me. That's how I partition the world. Mars said something that reminded me of Otis Brawley. And Otis Brawley is an oncologist, I believe a third-generation physician. And he wrote How We Do Harm. physician. And he wrote How We Do Harm. And he said that he was a head of oncology at Grady Memorial, which is the nation's largest public hospital. And he said there were two hospitals on the campus, the old wooden original hospital and then the new modern one. And once upon a time,
Starting point is 01:10:04 it had been the black hospital and the white hospital. It's still to some extent segregated. But the dividing line is it's the insured and the uninsured. And the uninsured are those that are in the old wooden building hospital and the insured are in the new modern one. And he said that there were people in the uninsured were being sent back to work sick and not receiving some of the fundamental care that was essential for modern healthcare and medicine. And he said, and the problem on the insured side
Starting point is 01:10:39 was just as bad. And in here, the harm that was done was through overtreatment, that people with insurance were having things done to them that should have never been done to them. And he said that it took him years to have profit deranked from a consideration in terms of the oncology treatment. It took years to get him to stop radiating breast cancers that were known to never be responsive to radiation therapy. And this is everyone feasting on the insurance money. So I don't want to be uninsured. I don't want to be insured. I don't think I want to be in either
Starting point is 01:11:22 hospital. But I think I'd prefer to err on the side of non-treatment than treatment the um the other day when i was at the doctor's office the doctor said hey you need and he told me these two shots i needed do you want them and i said no thank you he goes but they're free that's that's what is that's what he said to me. A fucking physician. But they're free. No, thank you. Hey, that's exactly what – do you remember – I don't know if it was the governor. I think it was the – no, it was the mayor of New York was like, hey, if you get the injection, then he shows you you get this hamburger for free. Remember he was eating the fries and then his famous line was and there's a burger component. He thought he was being
Starting point is 01:12:10 so cute. Remember that? What was that guy's name? Marcio? Guerrero? What was the governor of? Oh, Cuomo? No, I think that was New York. What was the God, do you remember that clip? i bet you i have it somewhere nearby hold on let me see if i can um
Starting point is 01:12:32 oh no damn i can't find it oh de blasio deasio. De Blasio. Thank you, Bernie. The mayor. The mayor. It was the mayor. Yeah, do you not remember? He's like, he's eating french fries. He's like, you get these free if you get the injection. And then he goes, and there's a burger component. And I'm just like, holy shit.
Starting point is 01:13:03 New York's a trip right now. Why? What's going on there now? The crime? It's interesting watching it reset. See it try to come back. I wonder if it will. Got me all fired up they asked I think we talked about this last time
Starting point is 01:13:40 but it was the Senator Cruz was asking some ladies being appointed to Biden's cabinet with their blue glasses. She was the first woman to graduate from California Institute of Technology with a PhD. And he was asking her if any science has ever settled, and she said no. And then she eventually went on to – he said, so no science has ever settled? And she said no. And then she eventually went on to – he said, so no science has ever settled?
Starting point is 01:14:08 She goes, no. She said there's some things, and she used the word immutable, that we start to take for granted and become immutable. I don't even know what that means. Is that you? But I think a lot of things fall like that. Like people start to, they start to forget that you can actually question anything you can, you can, you can, you can, you can get a greater understanding of everything. Our trust in science, like our trust in anything
Starting point is 01:14:41 comes at the cornerstone of trust is predictability. And scientific models find validation through their predictive strength. And they roll from a conjecture to a hypothesis to it, but from a theory to a law depending on the the strength of their of their predictive capacity does law mean unsettled uh uh uh settled no no it just means that in in all conceivable instances and to known limits and errors and such that the thing holds. Okay. And what's happened in academic science is that's been lost. It's not predictive strength, but the part that they're looking at is the probability of the data
Starting point is 01:15:47 on the assumption that the null is true. And it is not the same thing. That is not scientific validation. That's a trick of inferential statistics, of frequentist statistics, and it's at the heart of what's wrong. But it is an epistemic debasement. It is a failing. And, you know, if we had someone who was working in the space of real science from Intel or Elon or these people know. They know exactly that.
Starting point is 01:16:27 Your theories have to have predictive strength. You can sit in the psychology department at a university or in some of these fields that have others in medicine that have had trouble replicating. I don't want to point anyone out. But you can be wrong forever and it doesn't matter. For 30 years, your theory is wrong. Hey, we went almost 2,000 years taking Aristotle at his word that heavier objects fell faster than lighter ones.
Starting point is 01:17:09 Almost 2,000 years. That was believed to be true. I thought he was the one who disproved that. No, he was the one pushing that? And Galileo wrote his treatise on this, and that didn't get published for 100 years. wrote his treatise on this and that didn't get published for a hundred years. He just noticed that, wow,
Starting point is 01:17:27 balls of different, of the same surface area of different weights fall at the same pace. Now, it's a ballsy thing to say Aristotle was wrong, right? Yeah, yeah. No one has contributed more to thought across all spectrum than that genius.
Starting point is 01:17:46 But 2,000 years easily demonstrated wrong. It's interesting. But, you know, maybe that was settled then, right? For 2,000 years it was settled. Settled. Settled. then right for 2 000 years it was settled settled settled doesn't suggest anything about validation to me predictive strength does
Starting point is 01:18:16 hey the the the important thing here and we can this, you know, research the demarcation problem, it's called. The Wikipedia's article on it is pretty cute. But they say the problem is thousands of years old, separating science from non-science, or science from nonsense is what Popper tried. And I'll settle that, the whole thing right here right now is predictive strength. The difference between astronomy and astrology is astronomers can predict eclipses or meteor strikes, and astrologers can't predict shit. When people use the word pseudoscience, is that a derogatory term? Is that just – because here it's funny. A lot of people use it.
Starting point is 01:19:17 It says both terms science and pseudoscience are notoriously difficult to define precisely, although you've done – because of that demarcation line, right? Where do they cross paths? But when I hear people use the word pseudoscience, it almost seems like they're being intellectually lazy to to just fucking attack someone it's just a quick way to dismiss something of course yeah it's a conspiracy theory right right okay so it falls under that camp yeah uh what demarcates science from non-science the criterion of falsifiability demarcates science from non-science. There's no automatic method to find new theories. That's exactly wrong. Falsifiability, I would accept the argument that that's a requirement for a meaningful assertion. And so what we have here is something that would be necessary but not sufficient. Until you recognize that validation and our trust in the success of science,
Starting point is 01:20:09 its objectivity, all derive from predictive strength. Everything, all of it. That's the whole ball of wax. Yeah, and Jeffrey, that's why people believe it because it has such enormous predictive value. The theory of gravity the explanation of objects falling has such an immense predictive value that they forget that it's an explanation i get exactly what's going on it's an explanation for the phenomenon and it's so
Starting point is 01:20:39 wonderful and accurate that it's become a law. Right? Am I learning something? No? Tell me. It's okay. There's a lot here. There's a lot here. I predict I will be, Stephen Flores, I will predict I will be hammered tonight.
Starting point is 01:21:02 I'll let you know how it goes. So, good. I hope you get hammered. Hey, thank you very much for coming on. Another great show. It's always pleasant to be here with you. It's kind of what we do anyways. I'll talk to you soon.
Starting point is 01:21:18 You're still in Idaho, obviously. Hell yeah. It's going to have to cool down in Scottsdale. And long before we go back. I'll be here until October. All right. Dale King, just to confirm, Broken Science East Coast will be in Portsmouth, Ohio,
Starting point is 01:21:44 followed by the first ever Savonistas rally at my farm. Wow, Awesome. Dale King. Thank you, Dale. Greg, thank you. I'll talk to you soon. All right, bud. Bye. Okay. Bye. Hey. Another great show.
Starting point is 01:22:06 Oh, okay. another great show oh okay my wife just texted me she said the garage is mine she had a CrossFit class in there this morning which I probably legally can't say I can't say it was a CrossFit class how'd you like that thing that Danny Spiegel bit was awesome. I thought I was so proud of myself.
Starting point is 01:22:32 Dump Truck Hottie. I just came up with that. And she didn't thank Greg in the video. I just made that up too. No, I don't pay affiliate fees. I don't even know. Did I say CrossFit? No, I meant she pay affiliate fees. I don't even know. Did I say CrossFit? No, I meant she does CrossFittest.
Starting point is 01:22:50 No, it's not affiliated. Hypoticus, hit the like button. Thanks, dude. Appreciate it. Yeah, hit the like button. Seve, did you ever get the t-shirt I sent you? I don't know Jay Hartle who's higher
Starting point is 01:23:12 on the list of friends Greg or Dave what's going on today do I have any more podcasts I'm sure I do today's Friday oh yeah the CrossFit Games update show podcasts? I'm sure I do. Today's Friday. Oh yeah. The CrossFit Games update show. Oh shit. I got so much work to do for that.
Starting point is 01:23:51 So much work. I got so much to prepare. Um, Patrick Anderson, uh, Sevan had my blood work done this morning. Looking forward to the results. Appreciate the CH,
Starting point is 01:24:01 uh, hormones code. Oh yeah. I think it's Sevan, right? California peptides. Oh, and you, so it's Sevan, right? California peptides. Oh, and so you got your blood work done for free. Fuck, my leg's falling asleep.
Starting point is 01:24:10 That's never happened. You look sexy today, Seve. Please tell me your wife said that. Doug Ritchie, droopy balls. Droopy balls. Respect, Seve. Thank you. It's hard with so many know-it-alls on the internet.
Starting point is 01:24:28 It's hard. Everyone wants to... People be saying shit when they should be asking questions. I don't understand what you mean. I don't understand. I don't understand. There's that... There's that...
Starting point is 01:24:44 There's that... There's that Tao's that there's that um uh there's that um daoist saying right um i'm pointing at the moon and you're staring at my finger and so in the most simple way it's like you tell your kid you left the refrigerator door open and they say back to you well you left open yesterday. And there they are staring at your finger. And you're like – and it's like once you learn – 99% of people just stare at the finger. That's why the gravity thing makes no sense to people. They cannot stop staring at the finger. They just cannot stop. And so instead of saying, I don't get it. Can you explain that to me? Or I don't get it.
Starting point is 01:25:34 Or like piercing in with the question, they get defensive. Because they refuse to look away and see what you're pointing at. Because it would require just a tiny little bit of them waking up. No one wants to do that for some reason scary scares them scary scary scary whatever yeah i didn't like that hi dan uh did you get did sean give you his vape i did not like watching him vape breaks my heart to see people vape that shit is so fucking addictive a seven wallets quiet throw on the Roseanne clip for the crew. Where do I see that? And am I going to get in trouble for it?
Starting point is 01:26:30 Where is it? We can watch it together. What do I type in? Is it on Instagram or what do I type in? Roseanne bar and Pierce. We're going to tell you something. Tank. Ninety nine percent of the time people tell me to do something live.
Starting point is 01:26:46 I always fucking regret it. I'm like, tell you something, Tank. 99% of the time people tell me to do something live, I always fucking regret it. I'm like, that is so stupid. So please... Oh, is it that the Ukraine is full of Nazis? Is that the one? Is that? Oh, shit. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:14 I'm so glad I didn't play this while Greg was on. I want to drag him into this bullshit. Dude, this is long. This is three minutes and 37 seconds. I'm going to get in trouble for this. Oh, it's in your DMs. Okay. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:27:34 Let me see. How do I get to my DMs? I go here. No, here. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. I see it it uh oh it says message unavailable whatever you sent me dude it says message unavailable so it's been pulled down California Assembly Committee blocks bill that could have sent human traffickers to prison for life. Human trafficker of kids to prison for life.
Starting point is 01:28:17 Wow. Jeez Louise. Our governor here is such a fucking douche. It's brutal. It's brutal. 23 and me, take your DNA to make clones in deep underground military bases. Don't use your real name. If you 23 and me, that would be my recommendation.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Yeah. Chris Z. Uh, it's hilarious that vapes were supposed to be safe replacement for SIGs. And it turns out they're probably worse than SIGs, dude. They're so fucking addictive. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:29:01 Joe Rogan has a clip up. Oh, okay. Here we go. Uh, Joe can do it i can do it let's see joe rogan is that 1g just uh joe rogan here we go uh i don't see it i see I see his RFK, and I see a tattoo, and I see Kill Cliff Octane. I don't see anything. Sorry, Bruzy. Look it, look it.
Starting point is 01:29:36 Here we go. I don't see it. Oh, is this it? No. No. It's all Robert Kennedy shit. after major pushback i don't know what that means um uh pool boy i'm seeing tiktok videos of people going to see the sound of freedom and claiming movie theaters are purposely making their experience shitty leaving lights on uh turning ac off for
Starting point is 01:30:28 example i don't know hey dude i don't know there was um something yesterday also that uh our said, the Stationary Earth guy, about some interference coming his way or something for something. And I'm like, oh, every time something happens, I don't know. Sometimes I don't get shadow banned and it's just I put up a shitty clip, you know. Zoe Harcomb. Don McLoggin what's the name of the lady that Greg likes that speaks about nutrition Zoe Harcomb Z-O-E-H-A-R-C-O-M-B Zoe Harcomb she was a guest kind of fucked it up um okay wow wow sound of freedom is the greatest movie of our generation no shit oh it has an e at the end thank you uh thank you sleaky Thank you, Sleeky. I wonder if that's even playing in my area.
Starting point is 01:31:50 What would I type in? Sound of Freedom, Santa Cruz? Oh, shit. All right. Oh, it's playing at three theaters in my area am I gonna cry hey what about the Mel Gibson documentary that's coming out I enjoyed the sound of freedom I good.
Starting point is 01:32:25 Cause I, I kind of hate movies. I will go to that. I suspect I'm going to go to that. I said, Seve, are you going to the 2024? So I probably will go to that.
Starting point is 01:32:37 I'm guessing I'll take my family and I'll go with Sarah from California peptides. The actor that I've seen interviewed a few times, the guy who plays Superman, Henry Cassaville or whatever, the little clips of I've seen him being interviewed, he's a fucking psychopath. Maybe I'm just seeing bad clips about him, but he looks fucking crazy.
Starting point is 01:33:07 I mostly hate movies too I'm just I saw and I've seen stupid movies but I saw Shazam and Spider-Man the last two movies I've seen in the last five years in the theater and both of them I wanted to throw up yeah Henry Cavill
Starting point is 01:33:20 yeah he seemed batshit fucking lunatic in the interviews I saw oh I will cry I know I'm probably gonna fucking weep Yeah, he seemed batshit fucking lunatic in the interviews I saw. Oh, I will cry? I know. I'm probably going to fucking weep. No, not a dumb question. Is California peptides the same as California hormones?
Starting point is 01:33:34 Yeah. Just a different website. I think it's a different website. Go to CA P peptides. CA peptides. With the smiley chick. Then you order your stuff. You begin the journey.
Starting point is 01:34:11 I've noticed no, no, no, zero ill effects, by the way. Nothing like I can't not even one slightly nothing. And in the last 14 days, I've poked a needle in there 14 times. You don't even see one mark. Oh, that guy's not in The Sound of Freedom, Henry Cavill. He's not? Oh, I thought he was. I thought it was the same guy.
Starting point is 01:34:36 I thought that was the guy. And wasn't he in the other Mel Gibson movie, the Jesus one? Oh, oh, shit. Sorry. Okay. This guy. Did you mean Jim Caviezel? Yeah. Is Jim Caviezel in the sound of freedom? No wonder I got my shit all messed up. It's Metaformin, not Metaformin. Metaformin, not Metaformin.
Starting point is 01:35:12 Whatever that distinction is, I appreciate it, but it's completely over my head. Meta. Oh, it's Metformin, not Meta. Oh, okay. Thank you. Fine. Metaformin. Okay, I see it.
Starting point is 01:35:20 Thank you. Third grade reading level. I have a third grade math level and a third grade reading level. Metformin as opposed to Metaformin. Thank you. Third grade reading level. I have a third grade math level and a third grade reading level. Metformin and met as opposed to metformin. Thank you. Metformin. Then I have to tell you something. Caitlin Burns.
Starting point is 01:35:35 And I appreciate it. Let me see. I appreciate you and your boyfriend. He doesn't look like he wants to be in the picture, by the way. He's just like, fuck. Danny Spiegel really doesn't have a company called Dump Truck Hottie. I made that up. Just like to be funny.
Starting point is 01:35:55 But I do think it's funny as shit. I mean, I'm disappointed you guys in the comments didn't start laughing more. Yeah, Dump Truck. That's like in reference to the butt. Dump Truck Hottie. Because she's hot. Dump Truck Hottie. No. Okay. Yeah, we're done. So you guys today CrossFit Games podcast, the biggest show in the CrossFit space. It's the official show. It's everything. It's all the shit. It's like healthiest, most official, coolest, all that shit. Bill Grundler, John Young, Brian Spin, myself,
Starting point is 01:36:32 Caleb and Susie will be running the back end. We have two guests on today, former CrossFit Games champ and shit. Who's the brilliant running guy why it's almost like when i'm on the show my i'm worse with names than i am just in my real life how the fuck can i not remember this guy's fucking name hinshaw thank you god
Starting point is 01:37:05 and don't no one write something in the comment thank you susan no one write in the comments i'm concerned his memory is fading it no it's just it's i've just been talking non-stop for fucking two hours just overload uh hinshaw yeah hinshaw is going to be on the show today and he's going to drops up this i'm so giddy with the information heinshaw is going to be on the show today, and he's going to drop this. I'm so giddy with the information he has. You are definitely going to want to see. He's going to tell us who basically has the biggest engine in the history of CrossFit. Dumb truck hottie? No one wants to comment on it?
Starting point is 01:37:45 It's good. It's funny. Anyone? She should even pick it up. On one side it can say dumb truck hottie and on the other side it can say the beacon of moral authority. All right. Bye-bye.

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