The Sevan Podcast - Is Wodapalooza Programming GOOD or BAD? | Shut Up & Scribble with Chief Keef

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

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advisor free of charge betmgm operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario and uh oh okay we're live. Wow. Athlete brief. Was that an online thing? Yeah, they did athlete briefs online this year, which I actually like it, uh, consolidates the days a little bit for athletes. I can actually get back and recover as opposed to doing them super early or late.

Oh, does it start this weekend? The briefs, I think they have two briefing blocks. One was tonight and then another one on Sunday at a different time of the day. And then the competition starts the next weekend. On Thursday. Yeah. You're telling me you don't even know when the competition is? 100% dude.

Checked out. From water Palooza. Yeah, they put us in water Palooza jail the past three years we've been bro. So I'm boycotting. Okay So this is as far as I'm going for doing anything for tear water Palooza and I love Dylan great guy But Sasha the lady who ran the media stuff. She fucking sucks So we're off to a good start Sorry, JR. You look great in that shirt. What kind of shirt is that?

That's a pre cut off. Oh pre Keeper keeper does I'm talking about he's a big hooper ah Pre-cut-off got it. I had some of those Travis was like hey, this doesn't fit good. I didn't know what to do with it. So I just made one for you. So thanks man. That's great. Kenneth, those are not basketball arms. Anybody who played basketball knows that everybody is a string bean. Those arms are unique. Dude, I don't know. Dwight Howard's fucking yoked. Maybe the one guy?

There's a few guys that are. Corey McGuetti. Is he bigger than Dwight Howard? Is Dwight Howard gay, by the way, because like there was like rumors going around for the longest time. Do you know what I'm talking about? Don't smile like you. Was that ever proven true? No, I don't know. Because I mean, it's a good looking guy if I had to if I do say so myself, not to get weird over here. But as we were saying, Kiefer was just listening to the athlete brief. He's coaching Kyra is competing.

Yeah. Coaching Kyra, helping out with the rest of the proven team that's competing there. And then I have a athlete competing RX as well. And JR is coaching, uh, Lindsay and RX and I'll be there watching both too, for sure. I think Jake, I think, I think Jake is going to be there coaching her. Like he'll have his, her coaches pass, but I'll try to see as much of it as I can. And this is his last weekend coaching Brooke. And then it's all, and then it's all you from here on out.

Right? No, I don't think so. I think, I don't really know what the plan is as far as like, who's going to take over her base template design, maybe Steve Fawcett. I don't really know what the plan is as far as like who's going to take over her base template design. Maybe Steve Fawcett. I don't really know. I'm just the, I'm just a Metcon boy. I just, uh, just scribble on a whiteboard. That's it. What does that mean, dude? Shut up. You're, I think, uh, she's an athlete and you write her CrossFit.

I mean, hopefully, hopefully Jake is listening. And I think best case scenario would be Jake hangs around to help. And, uh, especially at in-person competitions because she says he's like amazing in person coaching. He's a very calm dude and is so level headed. I feel like that would be really nice to have in competition. I like Jake. I like hanging out with him at comps. I hope he stays around. He's cool. Yeah. So, uh, we're here to do the water Palooza workout. Oh yeah. Talk about that. We're here. All right. First off, we're here to do the water Palooza workouts. Uh, I genuinely didn't even realize the competition was next week and I have not seen the workouts

other than what's been sent to our group message thread. And the one I saw that Hiller did his video on with all the crazy dumb numbers. Um, but other than that, I haven't seen anything generally speaking. I just want to preface this. I do like water blues as workouts a lot. I don't always like the way the event is run, but what can you do with that? Many people they're moving the venue to fix that. And maybe it's important for me to say just to be, just to at least start a little nice for anyone that's with us now.

And if you don't like it, you can leave later, but, uh, you know, I would imagine they have a lot of constraints programming wise, uh, a new venue, um, slim pickings, maybe for competition flooring, you know, there's a lot of sand I would imagine on a beach, uh, and then a lot of athletes. So maybe time constraints as well. So we'll, uh, yeah, you guys will give them a better view. If you were going to a competition where you knew that there was going to be a sand flooring, would you, would you mind it, or do you think it's more jarring for

people to have half the events on there just because it's new for Waterpalooza? Genuinely, very awesome. I mean, they had it at NorCal. We were doing fucking burpees and kettlebell snatches in the sand and landing on the sand doing rope climbs. And we would do a whole bunch of shit in the sand.

Running in the sand. I thought it was cool. But the reason I thought it was cool is because NorCal was so old school, fucking gritty like, you know, just get down and dirty. I don't know that that's water poluses vibe. And I don't know that the athletes expect that like at Norcal is expecting. All right.

This is going to be some fucking nasty shit. I'm excited. Water polus. I feel like a lot of the athletes, you know, I don't want to name any names, but there's a lot of pussies that want to be pampered. And maybe being in the sand is not necessarily being pampered. I don't know though. I like it. I think it's cool.

I definitely get that it's going to be different for a lot of people and most athletes don't like change, but I thought at SoCal that it was cool having the events in the sand. It was nice having a different scenery. There's going to be a lot of women watching this show who don't really get anything out of the programming talk with JR and Kiefer here. Uh, if you want to stay on topic ladies, just look at me. Only one of us on the screen has a model done major modeling and it's Kiefer. So that's not true for Abercrombie, bro.

That is literally the title of your role at Abercrombie. Do they not call you guys? I was I was a manager. The models are the associates on the floor. You were never an associate on the floor before you were a manager. No. Wow. Brandon Gomez. I'm not gonna read that one. Let's go through the workout so you can see them for the first time. And then when we get to the ones that I heard new things about on the brief, then I'll tell, I'll add that bit. Hey, it'll probably be better to pull them from the website.

I just think they're easier. Yeah. Okay. I was just on, okay. Do I go to tear? Is it tear water, Palooza.com or just water Palooza? It's a good question. I actually don't know.

So while you pull it up, one of the things I was gonna say is, over the years, like especially the year Taylor was there, It wasn't too long to lose it that year. I think they generally have done a really, really good job with programming. But I also am a big fan of if you're gonna have the caliber of athlete that they've had there over the last five, six, seven, eight years. It's really, really difficult, can be really difficult to do a well-rounded test and an

appropriate one in two days. And this is the second year they've done two days instead of three. I think Kiefer can speak to this, but it sounds like they listened to a lot of feedback last year saying that five stored events with one being a max is probably not extensive enough with that caliber of athlete. And this year they're having six with a max lift, which I think is a step in the right direction,

but it also is gonna require you to be a lot more conscious of volume, movement pattern, redundancy, and what the teams could be doing on the weekend because a lot of individuals would do team. I'm also like perfectly- I hear Avin, you just said I was just trying to fix the overlay. You gotta switch over to the individual events

as a team. I'm also perfectly okay with the idea that something like Waterpalooza expects that they need to put on a really good show for people, maybe more so than a competition like yours where like, just the programming art is all you care about. And so keeping the max lift in and when you know that you have a lot of big names coming is something that people get excited to watch.

And so while it might skew the balance a little bit, I still think it makes for a good show and makes a fun competition. Yeah, but I would push back and say that I mean, people who feel the way that I do about rested one rep maxes in competition, not there not being a place for it until like a competition that has 10 or more events. I'm very much in the minority. I think most programmers think that you should have. I don't. Yeah, I'm just saying I think most programmers think that you should have. Oh, I don't. Yeah, I'm just saying,

I think most people still like to do it. Are we minorities? I think so. That's crazy. I'm a minority. Look at me. All right, let's go in order. It's two rounds, too many is the first workout.

Okay, two rounds, too many. We're not gonna watch the video. Should we watch the video? No. Fuck it. No. You've been waiting? Oh, it's Dylan. Just this one. Another workout. Here in Miami Beach. He's another good looking guy. Ladies, pull your pants up. This workout is presented by Ivo Le. Damn, whoever does their media does a pretty good job. That's cool. I do have to say the

videos are sick. Okay. Two rounds for time. 50 cow bike. We know it's an assault bike. Or I guess we don't know, but I think it's an echo bike because they've used echoes in the past, maybe that's a bad assumption. I know they have a partnership with assault, but they've always used echo. Right.

And reps ahead is using echo. So I would assume it's like, okay. 50 calorie echo bike, one K run. We're assuming in the sand. always used echo, right? And reps ahead is using echo. So I would assume it's like, okay. 50 calorie echo bike, one K run. We're assuming in the sand, allegedly it's hard sand. I still think it's just running in the sand and whether it's hard sand. I don't know. There's going to be places where it's not fucking hard and it's really hard to run in it.

And then 150 box step or jump overs. Correct. Definitely stepping over. They also clarified in the brief that they're mandating step overs for the first round that's in a weight vest. And then the second round without a weight vest, you may jump over, but you still have to step down. Do you think this will be like, do you think they'll have rubber flooring or they'll be stepping over into sand? Uh, I don't, I don't actually know for sure what that is, but I know that on the,

on the sand stage, they still have rubber on both ends of it. So they have rubber they could use. Okay. So probably stepping over and jumping over onto rubber, not sand. Yeah, I think the step down is obviously a good call. There's 300 Probably stepping over and jumping over on a rubber, not sand. Yeah. I think the step down is obviously a good call. There's 300 box reps, whether you're doing step overs or jump overs. I do think on the second round, a lot of people may revert to step over, but I think a lot of people are going to jump to start that set if they wait to kick

with jump, I don't know that it's going to help out as much. I think that people are really aggressive coming off the second run or going to be jumping to start the one. Dude, I don't think a jump over is any faster than trying to be fast on a step over at 20 inches. I'm also curious if like your, your heart rate is going to be the highest coming off the run. For a lot of people, you already can come down on the box step over.

So I would actually see people stepping first to get back under control and then going into a pattern of whether they do jump at the end of the kick or they go into like an alternating 10 steps, five jumps, 10 steps, five jumps, something like that. I just don't think I would challenge any athletes that are competing at water Palooza go into the gym tomorrow and do 20 of each 20 as fast as you can box jump over the step down at 20 inches and then 20 as fast as you can step overs. And I would, I would, I bet a fucking lot of money that the step overs are just as fast

and you don't have to try anywhere near as hard. So I just don't see like, I wouldn't, I would think the best thing to do here is to go maybe 80 bucks step overs at a pace that's not destroying you. And then for the last 60 try to push the step over pace as fast as you can. But I really don't, I just don't think a jump is fast enough. I don't know. I really don't. Keefer, did you, um, did they say in the brief, do both feet have to be on top of the box at the same time? Yes, I think so.

Okay. Cause that is a big, that is a big standard. If you can step up and then let that lead foot start to come off while the second foot is coming up. It's almost like a skip, I guess you could say, like a ball turn type thing. If you could do that, it would be way faster to step like Taylor's saying. And I think that probably comes into play more so for the women, or sorry, for the men than the women because because they're all using a 20 inch box. So for the guys that can have a bigger step, it's, it can be more advantageous to get over it quickly that way. Your boo is watching.

I know. Also, Andrew's the, Hillary's the first person that's ever picked her to win a running event on here. Oh, she should really screen grab that. Who else is, uh, well, we should, maybe we should go in the athlete field after we talk about the programming. If you look at times, the way I see it for the fastest people, I do like the split of the monostructural with the gymnastics, it looks like it's about seven

and seven, I mean, if you're holding 20 to 25 on the step over, if you do the echo bike and two, two and a half, and you do the run and three, three and a half. I mean, everything looks like it's going to be seven. It's like fastest time would be sub 30. Is that crazy? Are, are they running on a runner or do we know they're running in sand? You're running on the beach. There's no fucking way anybody's going.

Three 30 on the run. I'm just saying seven minutes. No, but the bike's going to be less. He's saying seven combined for the bike and run. I can run seven. Oh, okay. I mean, you could feasibly bike under three minutes for sure. And then run four minutes.

And then maybe a four minute. I still think, uh, with the vest in sand, I still think, uh think the one K runs going to surprise people. I don't think it's going to be as hard pack as people think. But sub 30, I definitely think is doable. Yeah. I think that's going to be a really, really fast time. Isn't the cap 35 deeper on this? Hmm.

34, 35. Yeah. Okay. It'll depend on the sand. I think big time, depending on the sand. Just in general though. I mean, I don't, I don't know. It's hard to say. I think they were arguing about it last night.

Um, Adrian Moon Waller and Peter about if you get to the box, 10 reps behind someone, how easy or hard is it to make up those 10 reps over the course of one 50? And that's something that we can talk about. Like is that, is it one of those things? Like if you just, if you get there after someone on the run, you're going to have to do a lot of work. It's like with Chad, I mean, this isn't a thousand, right? It's, it's two sets of one 50.

So I think you could make yourself hurt a little bit more to make up 10 to 15, but I don't see people making up more than 10 to 15. I think it depends on the athlete who are, who are, who's trying to make up and who's trying to hold them off because I think an athlete with a good psychological tolerance gets ahead of somebody in the run. They're not letting anyone catch them on the step overs. You just go a little faster. You hurt a little more. It's not like a skill or strength limiting exercise. Um, you know, so for example, if I'm ahead of somebody, 15 reps on the step

overs, I'm dying before anybody catches me on a step over. But if it's like a, if it's, you know, snatches at two 25, there's only so much you can do against somebody like Tola. So I just think it depends on the athletes. I think it's reasonable to assume that there could be a variance of one to two reps per minute on a pacing there, like somebody that's 20 reps a minute versus 22 steps a minute or 22 versus 24. So if you're assuming that that might take seven minutes to get through them all, like, yeah, that's 10 to 15. I think the second thing, and we

won't see this for the, I don't think you see this for the top athletes, but I bet you see this in the middle of the field is there's going to be somebody that's totally smoked coming through that second run. They're going to get to the box and they're not going to be able to hold a steady pace. So we'll do a minute where they get 20, it'll do a minute where they get 15. And it's not that somebody is going to pass them because they pace that much harder. It's going to be because they're dying and falling off and they can't hold it for 150. Do you guys like the vest and then lose it? Or do you think it should just do the whole thing with it or the whole thing without it? Oh, I think it's cool to do one round with the vest and without I've done a lot of

workouts like that. So I like that. Yeah, I think it's cool too. I think generally though, you don't see as many people make mistakes on the round with the vest as you would see them make. If the workout started with no vest, I think the best kind of governs everyone's intensity enough to where they're like, Oh, I'm starting to spill over. I should probably chill out a little bit. Cause I know I have another round to go. I do you guys like the workout generally looking at the workout as a workout where you're like, Oh, I like that. I do. Yeah.

I think that with, especially with the two day competition, um, then being committed to doing something in the 30 plus minute range is like a huge thumbs up because I think a lot of times with competitions that aren't three days, what you end up seeing is the longest workout being 15 minutes. And it's not the case here. So. Kiefer. Yeah, I like it.

As far as like a long monostructural test goes, I feel like it's engaging and it has enough different things going on where you can see opportunities for people to make up for lacking somewhere else. Like it's not going to be purely a running test though. I do think that the better runners have a big advantage because that's probably the best place to gain ground and time on people. But you can't be terrible on the bike. And I do think that in a case where an athlete's not a great runner, but they have good fitness, they can move quick on the step over and try to make up ground. I would argue that anyone who's a great runner is going to be good on the other two

movements or good enough on the other two movements to destroy the workout. Yeah, I really like that. At least in the men's field. Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm not saying that they would be bad at those things also. Right. I guess what I'm saying is there are people that have a high fitness level that do not have a high running capability. Right. As high of a running capability. And again, I don't think these things affect the top of the leaderboard, but I think they do make a difference throughout the middle of the leaderboard. Yeah. I would say if I think if you're not getting running, you're

fucked on this workout. My personal opinion. Okay. Jr. Is it a run? What's the linchpin? Uh, yeah, I would just say basically. The running for sure.

For sure. But I think the run is the place that you lose or gain the most time. I hate the fact that it's box step or jump overs. I think they could have found a cooler movement to do there. And I don't know. Meh. Like a fucking log maybe. Log jump overs. Use your hands. I don't know I just Anyways I work out like a three out of ten What's the next one is ocean drop drag race and I think we know from the schedule. There's only about our Turnover between that long and short sprint. It looks like the boys are going to get closer to an hour 40 and then the women

get an hour 15 or an hour 20. This is tight turnaround. Wow. One hour into the sled drag. That's going to be so nasty. I do like the first workout. I just wish they would have been a little more creative, not just like a 20 inch box.

I don't know. I just, it's not my favorite. This is a cool workout. 21 18 calorie row, 21 toes to bar sled drag rest a minute. 18 15 calorie row 18 toes to bar sled drag rest a minute and then 15 12 15 sled drag sled weights around one light two medium, round three heavy. So is it just, yes. So essentially it's for time set distance. Your judge is keeping track of when you start and go is my assumption.

It's a, I think it's 90 feet each time. So you're going out and back on the sand each time. Okay. And so your judge is just going to look, keep track of your one minute of rest when you start and finish. Oh yes, yes, sorry. How do you, how do you like that format

rather than a fixed interval in competition? Is that cause any like, I don't know, it seems like it may be challenging. I think it gave the best, I think it gave the best finish at Crash Crucible with you and Colton. So I think it's an amazing way to do it. Oh, oh, on the first Muscle Up workout. Yeah, I didn't remember that. I was thinking of swimming stuff as one of the only other workouts I could think of with a set rest time where

athletes were starting, right? Wasn't swimming stuff. Or maybe it wasn't. No, they started like on, like on a minute or whatever. And then they, they did combine time. Right, right. Right. Interesting. I kind of like it. I kind of like it because it baits people and then maybe doing something they shouldn't do on this. It's so fast that I don't think it matters. If you know, you're 10 seconds behind the person next to you. I don't think it really makes you row any harder than you would have already rowed to get off. But I do think that little things like if you take someone like Pat, who you know can like scoop their toes to bar and cycle them really fast, that might be one of the only areas. If the sled seems to be uniform in every lane and everyone seems

to be struggling with it remotely equally. If you can just get one or two toes to bar ahead is that enough to make you pull ahead for all three rounds like that'll be interesting to see. This is a great question by Barclay Dale is the vested step up M G or W I think it means is the vested step up mid gay or whack. And I'm really not sure which it best suits. Barkley, will you clarify MG or W? Kiefer, what do you think? I think in this case, it's monostructural. I understand the nuance of it.

You know what I think it is. I think it's a hundred percent monostructural. I understand the nuance of it. You know what I think it is. I think it's a hundred percent monostructural workout. How it's not, uh, you have to stop your momentum. You have to stop your momentum keeper and change directions. That's why Taylor's does. It's not my, it's not monostructural. It's not saying the run.

If you go out and back, you have to stop your momentum and change directions. Yeah, but you're still running the out and back. Isn't this,. The run, if you go out and back, you have to stop your momentum and change directions. Yeah. But you're still running the out and back. Isn't this, isn't a, isn't a part of the run that's turning around. Usually maybe I'm my, uh, I think yours is based on how you think fitness and all of these things are defined by CrossFit. Mine is based on how I would train to get better at this sort of thing. And to me, that's a monostructural training capacity. You would train, what would you, what specific

exercises would you train to get better at box step ups? Like I bucket it as a, an aerobic conditioning type of movement in my brain when I think about how I train things. So like you would get better at by doing that or by building your aerobic capacity or your leg endurance with things like a bike. But what, Oh, I don't know. I guess I feel like the contractions of a lot of box stepups, the best way to train it would be box stepups rather than biking. I don't know. I guess I just don't see something like a box step up. More so if it was a box step up, but a step over, you're not even extending it in the knee. It's just like a basic locomotion over the box and back. I don't necessarily think, like, I don't care if your answer is different.

That's just how I think of it when I program for that stuff. Or if I was programming an event and I was looking at balance, I would just consider this a monostructural workout. I think it's mid. But all right. Time domains for this workout. 40 seconds on the row, 30 seconds on the toes to bark. I don't even know what to, are they dragging the sled in the sand?

Yep. Yeah. Oh geez. And soft sand too. That's going to cause so that's going to be so hard for people. I think it's, I think it's, I think when they I think when they wrote it they wrote it for a two on one off ish feel so I think that depending on how much time it's going to take to get down the lane and then back on the sled with the toes to barn row reps descending and the weight getting heavier, I think that it's going to keep the rounds pretty similar. Like you may see a 140 and then a 142 and then a 138 or whatever. I think that would be cool. That's what it ends up.

All right. So what do you think the bigger separation is going to be the sled or the buy in work? Oh, I think the sled a sled 100%. I hope it's the sled because on paper it looks like there's not a whole lot of ground that you can lose or make up. You get one or two toes to bar ahead but I think the fact that they're going down and back I originally thought maybe they would just drag down and then drag back and then drag down to the finish and that's how the flow would be but the fact that they're resetting the lane for the next heat and they're going down and back,

I think that changes it a good bit. I could see, oh, maybe creating more separation the bind work or the sled. I feel like the workout maybe is, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's pretty balanced. I don't see the workout as being one that's going to allow for big separation between the people who, who the competition matters. Like the top heat of guys. I'm not thinking, uh, I'm not even thinking maybe a 10 second separation

from like first place in the event to 10th place. I feel like it's going to be closer like seven seconds and it's just bang bang. And if a guy got a calorie or a half a calorie or two toes to bar ahead of another guy, that was enough to win. Um, I don't know. I think it's going to be, it's all going to come from the sled and it's almost all going to come in the last round. I don't think you'll see a lot of separation one and two. I don't know. I don't even know if that part matters. I just think by the time you get to that third round of it, if it's heavy,

heaviest, what, no matter what that means, I think that that's where you're going to see the difference in people that pace appropriately or have the capacity to push the sled at the end. And the cool thing is even if it is a really tight race, because the sled doesn't move that fast, it'll be easy to see who's ahead in that moment. So it's like a finish. If you have a male athlete, what are you telling them to hold on the rower for this?

It's on an arrow or two, which is a different feel. And we'll pretend it's on a C2 just so we can actually do like Cal per hour conversions over 2k. Yeah. If I'm doing it, I'm holding over 2000. Okay, bro. Do you you know that you know you're everyone's gonna hold on to.

Oh, yeah. 2021 I just I mean, I think it is a little bit deceptive on paper. I think it will be grippier if people haven't tested a variation of especially if you're doing the straps or you're pulling it over your shoulder, you're still holding a lot of tension in your arms. I think it is going to be grippy, but not grippy enough to where there's going to be a fear of breaking the toes. I look a lot hotter when you can't see Kiefer's face. Um,

and this person Casey Harmon says, if it's going to be as close as Taylor thinks that one minute rest call by the judge is going to matter a lot. And that's exactly what I was thinking. At Wadapalooza. I mean, did you guys think it was like, dude, it's different when you have seven judges and you know, you know, those seven judges, that's different. I was just going to say, do you guys think it was like the communication

between judge and athlete? Do you think if it's really loud or something, they're not going to be able to hear three, two, go. Like, do you think that's going to be an issue? Like, No, I think these want to stand for not being really familiar where the clock is going to be. Maybe you turn and you look at the clock and someone's fucking standing in front of it. I mean, any shit could happen. Whereas a crash, I was just gonna say a crash, the clocks are where the clocks are always

when your members work out. No one can get in front of them because they're high and out of the way. I mean, maybe they've thought about these things, but also if it's any indication from years past, there are gonna be things that they haven't fucking thought about, especially since it's a new venue. And that would worry me as an athlete counting on a judge that would

worry me i just wouldn't fucking listen to the judge i would look at my time when i finish and go so if you want to win this event just fucking every 58 uh is an athlete who does that. It is good to, I don't think you can. It is good to, uh, the, after something really long to be something short and intense with not a lot of volume. That's good. Yeah. I like the workout.

First, first workout. Um, we'll say it's, uh, it's not all monostructural, but we'll say it's a long time domain, MMG. I mean, I think we could just put this one. I mean, I think we just, this is MWG, but I think we can put it into the power, power output. Yeah, for sure. But for at, at to start event one and event two, I feel like blend so great.

And I, people's legs are going to be absolutely smashed after this. I think destroyed. I will say the test as a whole, all of them is a challenging two days. People are going to be spent after the two days, which I don't hate at all. All right. Event three. What's that? I have that one right there.

High stakes. Wow. This is the Hill. The workout. Hello. I was talking about what the fuck is going on here? Uh, 75. How do you pronounce this?

The, the, the whatever, whatever you have heavy double unders. Sorry. I know that wasn't it. Was that close? I got a laugh a little bit, dude. Is this a company? What's what is that? It's the brand. Yeah. Let's search what the fuck this is. Timeout. Do you hear my keyboard?

Do you hear my keyboard? It's like a typewriter. Share this tab instead. Velites. I just typed. Oh, here we go. Go to Earth. It's their Earth 2.0 rope. Psych.

Oh, that looks kind of fucking sick, dude. Damn, they have a what is that like a little D ring you can connect it to? They're about to make a customer out of me. This is fucked up. Dylan, what the fuck, man? I'm supposed to be saving my money. Earth 2.0. What the.

So the way this rope works, we actually, we got some of them when we knew that the lead us was a partner and those handles have multiple inserts that you can put over and inside of it to add weight to it so you can go like three different levels of weighted. I'm assuming, I don't actually know what weight it is, but I'm assuming that the elite division is going to be their heaviest version, which is pretty similar to like the feel of the rogue heavy rope. Oh, do you think they're going to go with camo?

Where's the camo? Oh, that's fucking. Oh, damn. Look at that thing. That's thick in that boy's hand. Is that a man's hand? Jr, would you say? Taylor, can you go to the specs and see if we can see some sizing like some links of the rope? Because I am curious, like, you know, when you go on to buy a rope pro rope, you have

like five sizes to choose from, like a like a 95, a hundred, a one Oh five, a one 10 to one 15. And even for the shortest athletes. A 95 is probably going to be long. And even maybe for the tallest athletes, the one 10 of the one 15 could be a little short based on how proficient they are and how good their mechanics are when they jump. If I had to guess guess if you see this, by the rope, it's a single cable length and you cut it your size.

And then you screw your Yeah, and you screw that on with Alan keys. Ray, right? Hex key what they're doing at waterpalooza is they have three standardized sizes, small, medium and large. This is my one big gripe for the whole weekend. It's probably the only thing that I'll actually complain about. But my hope is that they'll have a remedy for it after getting athlete feedback. Their small size is 98 and a half inches, which is three and a half inches longer than Rogue's smallest size.

And a small is already too long for short athletes. I would never have guessed that that was a female hand, but it is. Yeah, the three, the three sizes is retarded. Why wouldn't they just give that? Why wouldn't they actually pay? Valete's Valete's whatever the elites we're going to give you guys, you guys are going to give each athlete in the elite division, the V elite division, a jump rope, and you're going to let them cut it to their own fucking size. And if they fuck it up, well, that sucks

for you. Like, it's almost like, like you might get check in, they're like, Hey, here's your cable, cut it to size that you want it. Exactly. Or, or like when I went to water poloos of that year and they're like, Hey, a check in, you're going to test out the road pro rope, pick your size. And I just took one. I feel like there's a lot for that. Now you can do that. You could, you could one, you could put this out earlier when they released the

workout, or you could look at the other brands that have standardized sizing and pick something that's similar to it, or you could take heights of the athletes that you have competing, and then you could use that as a way to sort of gauge where these are at, where the sizes are at. I do have to say this thing looks, Oh, that's we're going to buy one and make a video about it being indestructible, but this is a cool fucking rope. I do have to say, Oh wow. They have all sorts of shit.

I have a question about something. Yeah. Uh, and crucible, we just had small, medium, large for the drag ropes. I have a question about something. Yeah. At Crucible, we just had small, medium, large for the drag ropes. And then some athletes asked me in the warmup area, I checked in, they were like, hey, can I tie a knot in my drag? And I was thinking to myself,

I was like, are they trying to get an advantage I'm not really thinking of? And I thought to myself, no, it's just gonna make it a little shorter by like an inch or two maybe. Because if you're a 94 and you have to use a 100 and you can tie two, one inch knots in it, it's going to make it closer for you. Tie them wherever close to the handle, whatever.

Are they going to allow any kind of manipulation of the rope in that? They said, no, they said nothing, which I think is crazy. Like I would be fine if they said these are the sizes, but you can tie it on it the way that you would for a drag rope, which I think is a pretty common thing if you need to, to get it to your size. I just think something like that where if you're going to have 90% of the field, no matter what their height is, are all going to use a small anyway, because the small is so big, then you're putting a short athlete at a disadvantage in a way that I think makes a measurable difference. All right, sorry, I had to fix my name.

Last time we were doing Kil Taylor, Bryson fucked my name up. And so I just had to change it back. Have you seen my belt, Kiefer? You have a belt? Yeah, the baddest motherfucker belt. Is it purchasable on online? Yeah, you want to check it out? I didn't purchase it. Drop the link. Here, we're going to go UFC BMF belt. Right after that, go to the page that has the proven belt on there and just drop the link into the chat.

I see this thing right here. People sent this to me, bro. They think I'm the baddest motherfucker in CrossFit. It's a crowd anointed title. So if any of you bitches want to challenge me for this thing tomorrow, 11 AM, what's the workout? I'm not telling you. Uh, all right, let's get back to the workout.

All right. 75, Velits heavy double unders, 90 foot handstand walk. Okay. We're in, we're in multiples of 15 so far. 21 wall facing and Sam pushups. and multiples of 15 so far, 21 wall facing and Sam pushups, each arm, 12 single arm dumbbell snatch plus 12 meter single arm dumbbell overhead lunge, single arm overhead dumbbell lunge. Do you write single arm overhead or do you write single arm dumbbell overhead? Jr. Kiefer Kiefer. You go first. Dumbbell overhead. Yeah. single arm overhead or do you write single-arm dumbbell overhead? JR?

Kiefer, Kiefer you go first. Dumbbell overhead? Yeah, JR? Alright, S-A-D-B-O-H-W-L. So dumbbell comes first for sure. So they really fucked that up and that's huge. What, what, I just, okay, six leg lifts for guys, four leg lifts for ladies, then back to the dumbbell, then back to the wall facing, guys, four legless for ladies, then back to the

dumbbell and back to the wall facing them back to the handstand walk and then back to the dubs. So if I'm reading this correctly and I'm understanding it correctly, three to one, go 75 double unders. Then you handstand walk 90 feet. Maybe it's 45 out 45 back just like they did for the sled drag. Maybe then they do 21 wall facing and then they do on the right arm 12 snatches Then 12 meter walking lunge and then they switch arms to 12 snatches 12 meter walking lunge and then there's the legless. Is that correct? Yeah, okay, yes, so they they lunge whatever to the rope and then away from

Away from the rope and then to the road. Okay What it should have been was it should have been 15 there and it should have been nine here. Um, I think, and then the numbers wouldn't actually 15 and nine for the RX division. Is it really? God, weaves, but it's 60. And I mean, that just looks way better except for this should stay six and that should be three maybe. Um, anyways, all right, let's get this out of here. I mean, things that I like, I like that it's clear. You're just, you're just making it an upper body push pull test.

That's cool. It's very dense, right? Everything interferes with everything else. You have a heaviest element doing something that normally is not mandated, which is like staying on one arm for 12 straight reps and not letting you alter. So you're gonna see some athletes maybe try to touch and go. Maybe you see some athletes control to the shoulder, get a little re-grip and then touch and go.

You might see some just try to do singles with a little break in between, whatever. So that's pretty cool. From a flow standpoint, and I know they have limitations with the floor. It's always pretty tight I can visualize what they're doing here What what I would have done with it is I would have started with the dumbbell because that means you in with the dumbbell So I would have gone snatch lunge

Snatch lungege, walk, walk, walk, press, climb, press, walk, walk, walk, snatch, lunge, snatch, lunge. And the double unders I would have put either before the wall facing or after the wall facing so that you still get that finish. So it's not a finish of people jumping. And that's only like from a really, really like nitpicky flow perspective. Um, but maybe they really, really liked the idea of handstand walk into the handstand pushup and then handstand pushup into the handstand walk to make both of them.

So the, yeah, but you can easily, just like you said, keep the handstand walk and the handstand pushups where they are and just interchange the snatches with the double unders. And then it makes the legless. I mean, I guess this, I don't know. Here's why I think this is going to be, it'll be just as fun, but for different reasons. I actually like it this way. Now that I've seen it tested and stuff, the dumbbell work in the middle and being back to back just with the legless in between is super dense, fitnessy, and it is tough. And so I think if you were to put those

at the very beginning and the very end, the fitness in this workout is not as hard and it becomes just a gymnastics capacity test through the middle. Doing this changes that a lot, I think, because you have to get through that section to even earn your way back to the handstand pushups and the handstand walk.

And I think that that makes a bigger difference this way. And it is deceiving because when you're looking at it, you're just seeing the numbers 12, but in reality it's 24 24 and that's fucking brutal 48 basically and six legless is fucking I don't know 90 seconds for good guys. So you have a 90 second break before you go back to the and I think like if this were regular double unders at the end 75 would be super boring I think the heavy dubs at the end are gonna turn into sets of 10 and 15 for a lot of people and at that point you Have an opportunity to see people crumbling and so you still get kind of a dramatic finish

Is this a great a lunch to the end would be fun? But is this rope harder than a rogue pro? I? Think it's super like when when we've played with it. They say it's pretty similar. Oh Wow, and you still think people will be down to 10s and 15s I think it's super like when, when we've played with it, they say it's pretty similar. Oh, wow. And you still think people will be down to tens and 15s. That's crazy. Um, I would destroy this workout. There it is. I was waiting, waiting for it.

I was going to, I was going to push back a little bit and say, no one would beat me. I think if the double unders were before and after the rope climbs, it would be just as fitness in the middle. Maybe. Yeah. No. But again, it's probably just a floor layout thing. And I think this is going to be like the other ones. I think this is going to be really fun to watch what I am curious of. And I'm curious of y'all's thoughts, especially between the males and the females, because I think when it gets really, really

dense, and it becomes super grippy or a lot of pressing stamina, the load of the dumbbell will end up balancing out. I think in this case, it will balance out even though it's only four legless and six legless. Do you guys think that more ground will be made up or lost on the legless, on the dumbbell work or on the 42 wall facing? Because I think it's going to be on the legless, on the dumbbell work, or on the 42 wall facing? Because I think it's gonna be on the back 21. I think that- Yeah, the back half wall facing, I think will separate a lot of people, but I think maybe not just the back half 21,

but I think the back half 24 dumbbell snatches and 24 meters of lunging and the 21. I think that those two exercises more than any other. And I don't know, man, think about handstand walking after that set of 21 wall facing, that's going to be brutal for people. This is a fucking, I like this workout a lot. It's I think it's going to be the second time through and the dumbbell is going to be

the biggest separation because people are going to do four and stand over it for 20 or 30 seconds do four stand over it, wait to do their lunch, break up the lunch in the middle if they have an opportunity to do. I think just because of how much faster people tend to go on competition floor, even if they tested it, I think that's going to be a massive crux. And then at that point, outside of the top athletes, you're looking at the time cap, probably becoming a factor too. And they might not even get through the wall facing or the handstand walk. What's the cap? I think the cap is 15. It's Bo senior says it's going to be grippy. Bo, I think you're grippy.

Um, 12 meters is like 40 right at 40 feet. So, uh, you think people are going to have to break that up? I think if will be people, if you can break it, if you're able to, I think on the back half, there will be people that will break it. Yeah. Okay.

I think it's like, if you can find a way to get through it unbroken, I think it's a mistake to break just because the mental energy it takes to pick it back up when you're breaking because you're that gas is like a significant time loss. I'm going to walk through this time domain wise and try to, and try to put together what I think a good time would be 75 heavy dubs.

Let's just say people to start the workout. I don't know. You could get away with also not even doing these unbroken, but I think doing these in maybe 50 seconds. Is appropriate. And it shouldn't be any slower than that. And then a 90 foot handstand walk, I would say probably should be 40 seconds in most. So let's say we're at a minute 30, 21 wall facing. Uh, I would think breaking this into two sets

at the start for me is what I would plan to do. Like maybe 13, eight or 14, seven. Um, and so say that's where at a minute 30, let's say 30 seconds, let's say, uh, let's say two minutes and 20 seconds. Now I get a lot, 50 seconds for that. And that's probably being generous. Let's say two minutes, two minutes and 10 seconds is 40 seconds. All right. Two 10. Then I have 12 single arm dumbbell snatches. I'm going to do 11 in a row. And so I'm at the two 10 mark.

I do 11. What? No way. What are you talking about, dude? I think I think in the workout you would go like six rest five rest and then one into the fast into no fucking way. I would do 11. That's it. This is of all the workouts.

Dude, I put my stuff to my cock into that dumbbell workout. Don't even start with me, bro. Okay, first off, I'm at, hold on. I'm at two minutes and 10 seconds. I'm doing 11 fucking dumbbell snatches, and I'm gonna set it down and I'm propping in a rest 15 seconds. I'm gonna take a fat ass rest here, a very large rest. So 11 dumbbell snatches and I'm going to set it down and I'm popping in a rest 15 seconds. I'm going to take a fat ass rest here.

A very large rest. So 11 dumbbell snatches. Let's say that takes me 25 seconds. So I'm at two 35. Now I took a 15 second rest. That's going to be two 50 and to lunge 40 meters. That's going to take me. I don't know.

I'll be generous again and say 30 seconds. So I'm at three Oh five. Now I've got to do that again. I'm probably going to take another 15 second rest after that. Let's say 20 seconds at three, 25, uh, 25 seconds, three 50, 15 second rest for 15 or four or five, let's say four 10 be generous 40 Wow 440 then to get through the legless. I'll say two minutes 640 damn that's gonna be

Wow, I feel like sub 12 would be crazy good Kiefer did they say in the briefing if you have to wall walk into the wall facing every time, or can you cartwheel? I didn't, I didn't hear one way or the other. So I'm not sure. I did get a text now that said that it's 90 feet straight, which is really cool that you're not having to do it at 30 foot like turnarounds like it. So if you want to go 90 unbroken and you're that good at handstand walking, you can.

This person got a picture of me somehow throwing up in Greg Glassman's garage. How the fuck did that happen? I think of all workouts, Taylor, this is the one you should do because I know it's a wheelhouse for you, but I also think that it's harder than it reads on paper. So I'd be curious to see how you turn up on it.

I'm in horrible shape. So I'm definitely not going to be doing this workout and trying to give anyone a time to be that I feel like sub 12 would be insane. And maybe in my best shape, that's what I would aim for. Like, and not even, not even like a safe sub 12, but like 11 55. Like, I don't know. This is just, what do you think? Jr.

Yeah. Like, I don't know, this is just, what do you think JR? Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, knowing some training times and then knowing how wheelhouse this is going to be for some people and how some people are going to have really, really wheelhouse movements in it, but then there are going to be other parts of it that can negate that a little bit, I think is really cool. Like I don't think you can look at this workout and say, who's the best legless rope climber in the field? Okay, they have an advantage because even after the bicep and grip fatigue on hanging onto the dumbbell for the same arm, they're still gonna be able

to beat everyone on the climb. Because if they're a weak presser, then it's gonna really catch up with them on the handstand work. So I think in that way, like it's really balanced in that way. What was the workout? Maybe it wasn't last year. It was like circus.

What was it? El Cerco. Yeah. I had road climbs, toast of our regionals lunch hands. Trey Gordon, no shot. Taylor does it sub 13 Trey Gordon. I'd rip your head off and shit down your throat in this workout. So I don't want to hear a fucking word out of you.

And that's the end of day one at the tier water polo. I like it. Day one. Wow. That's brutal. It's a lot of lower body to start to first two workouts, all lower body basically. Some grip in the second one, too. I don't know, dude. It's 45. What is it? 21 18 15. 54. That's not how I don't know. That's I get it. It's after a hard row, but okay. What's the next workout? Uh, worth the weight. Yeah. The lift. Three attempts, one RM clean plus hang clean for max load. I mean, you know what I think we know what Jr thinks every, every three minutes, basically, we know what JR thinks. Every three minutes basically.

When you look at the totality of the programming, we're not there yet, but first one is very leggy. Second one, I think this, I think I agree with Kiefer, I think the sled is gonna be what matters whether that's like who blows up and they just can't like blush, the lactic or whatever, or if it's just like, no, the bigger, powerful, stronger limb, lower limb athletes are the ones that are going to win. Having this here, they needed something that was limited by lower body strength because as we'll see in the next

two workouts after this, it's still just again, upper body push pull capacity. So I think they, whether they did a grunt work test, where they did test with a ton of squatting, like light squatting or a ton of heavy squatting, I think they needed this as far as another strength lower body test. Kyra said she thinks Cuban press comes first. I don't, she would know better. She was in the, she was in the whole brief listening more than me, but I trust a spin schedule.

25. Okay. I, wow. 25 chest of our pull ups. This is just a sprint chipper. 25 chest of our, it's not a sprint. It's just, cause this one's, this one's different. This there's a, there's a nuance to it. Okay. No, so go through the workout and then I'll, or I'll go through the workout.

So you have 25 chest or pull up. And then I believe what you're going to do or you're going to run down, grab two ballistic blocks, run them back, set them up, do your burpees over them, then run down to the end again, grab your dumbbells, bring them back, do your dumbbell bench on the ballistic blocks because they set up together like a bench. When you're done with your bench,

you run the dumbbells back again, come back, do your burpees. When you're done with your burpees, you run your blocks back to the other end, come back to the bar and then finish with your chest of bar. Wow. I love that. Oh fuck. That is so cool Yeah, I actually think it's really cool. I lose hair Yeah, I was curious because I felt like the time cap was really generous on that this one And then when that came out it made a lot more sense to me. What's the time cap?

11 Wow What's the time cap? 11. Wow. That's a lot of dumbbell bench press. Yeah, keeper. Taking the taking the television. I love this taking the horizontal displacement out of it with the blocks and the dumbbells. Do you not agree that you can, you can go eight, seven, five, five with super short breaks and you can do smooth burpees that really all that matters is how fast you get through the 50. Oh dude, that's the entire workout.

Like I really think that just, Oh, I'm just going to do the chest bar. I'm broken. And then I'm going to be smooth. Why? because if you took seven seconds of rest seven seconds is It probably not even a reasonable rest between any two sets of dumbbell bitch No one's resting seven seconds on that. Hey, hold on jr. Hold on Trey gordon, let's call in the fucking professional Hey trey, what do you think people would rest in this workout since you fucking know everything about how fast people will go Oh, that's right. You don't shut up Sorry, I just had to get through that.

Yeah. 100% breaking the chest to bar pull-ups and going slow on the burpees. But also, I mean, what's probably overrated or sorry, underrated or overlooked is how fast you get to your blocks and back, set them up and not fuck around. That could take a lot of time. Like getting your blocks put together correctly in the sand. I'm assuming this is on sand. Yeah. Yeah. In the sand, getting your bench.

It may be across the sand. Like I said, there's rubber on either side. So it may be going. And depending on how long that is, it could be a legit long shuttle run with your blocks and with your dumbbells. Yeah, so the dimensions of the block are nine inches by 12 inches by 24 inches. And I've used them before for bench if we when we run out of flat benches in class. That means I assume it's going to be the nine inch side, which means that the burpee over them is going to be about like a bar facing burpee just a little bit deeper, it'll be 12 inches deep and it is lateral. Correct. I always do.

I always do ballistic block bench with the, with the 12 inch side facing up. You do. So it's like 12 inches across. Yeah. You have a wider platform. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

So it's nine inches off the ground. Nine inches high. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Are they lateral? I don't actually know. Kyra. God,

she's saying she thinks that there's 40 reps, but I think there's 40 reps for the RX division. I think they may have misspoke. Website is wrong. It is supposed to be 40 across. So for some, it has 40 for the other divisions and 50 here But yes, apparently it is 40. So they're not gonna they're just gonna go 25 25 40 Come on guys who texted you that who text you that JR. Are you talking to Dylan Dylan? Why is it 25 25 40 Dylan? How fast do you think do you think anyone can do the 40 in Kiefer three sets?

No. I think somebody that's not competing could. Ah, okay. That's fair. I think Alex could definitely do it. Hatfield, maybe Hatfield. I think Austin probably can do it in three. Oh, that's the one person I think he's just got, he's gotten those midget arms, man. I just think my guess would be even if somebody was capable of it, that doing

four sets of 10 would be smoother and allow you to just keep going faster throughout the rest. I don't know that you would even see somebody do it that fast and risk that. I don't think anyone's going to, I don't think most people will even do this four sets of 10. No, I'm not saying I'm saying somebody that like out of world strength for pressing, even still, I don't think you would do three if you could,

I think you would do four and break it up a little better. Yeah, well, I do think that the, how you manage the dumbbell bench, really just how you get through that is gonna be, for the most part, is gonna determine placing. It is cool that after you do that, you can really push as hard as you possibly can.

Yeah, the back half, which is good. Cool. I like this workout. Next workout is the last workout. Core that Dito core that Dito 2.0. Wow. That after the bench press workout. Fuck you guys. Good luck. Wow. That's a lot press workout. Fuck you guys.

Good luck. Wow. That's a lot of pressing. Holy fuck. This is the competition right here. 30 ring muscle ups, 50 dumbbell bench presses and everything in the final workout on day one. That's the entire competition and that's all people are going to be feeling athletes.

Oh, I don't want to say it. I don't want to jinx anybody. All right. So you have this workout 30, 20, 10, heavy wall ball, Hank power snatch immediately into half the rep scheme, 15, 10, five thrust of remassel up, um, initial thoughts when I look at the workout, initial thoughts when I look at the workout. There are 90 reps of weightlifting, there are 30 reps of gymnastics. And the first couplet is very much so pre-fatigue for the second couplet.

There's 150 reps of weightlifting. Yeah. Yeah. Nine, one 20 plus 30. Yeah. Thank you. And, and it's all pressing and the reps in the reps that matter the most are the 30 or the 30 gymnastics reps.

I wonder, and this is just like a conversation to have. Do you think if they just did 15, 10, five for time? It would be the same result. No. Do you think, or do you think some athletes, when they get a little bit more metabolic fatigue and they get a little bit of grip pre-fatigue, all of a sudden can't do muscle ups anymore. And that's what is really the stimulus of the test.

I don't know. I don't want to, I don't want to give them that much credit. No offense that they really thought that deeply of, Ooh, I want only the people who can do muscle ups after 60 wall balls and 60 hang power snatches to shine. But I agree with you that I think there will be athletes that can do very well with 30 ring muscle ups after all of that. And there will be athletes where on a 15, 10, five, they could hide, but after that,

they're not gonna be able to hide. But again, it's like you could do any number of things to expose someone who could just hide right here. It doesn't have to be this. And this is like, I mean, a 30 pound wall ball, you're using a lot of shoulders. Receiving the barbell in the support position, using a lot of shoulders, pressing out a thruster, using a lot of shoulders.

This is just, I mean, it's remiss of the second workout on or sorry, the third workout on day one. It's just seems, I mean, maybe you wouldn't look at it and assume that there definitely is a lot of squatting, but it's 60, it's 90 squatting reps. Whereas that's pressing, that's also squatting reps. Whereas that's pressing. That's also shoulders, that shoulders, that shoulders. It's all shoulder involved.

I think it, it, the, the difference is that if this were just 15, 10, five thrusters during muscle ups, you're looking at the best every muscle ups to win the event. I think with it like this, you're looking at who is the fittest person of the people that are good enough at ring muscles Which is very different maybe less so on the men's side much more so on the women's side, okay, okay Yeah, I wonder how many I wonder how many athletes at the end will say, I was too out of breath to jump up on the rings and not, I just couldn't feel my arms and that's why I didn't jump on the

rings. Like, or even so, even though there is fitness beforehand, because those movements are really metabolic, they're muscular, for sure, together together but I just wonder if the reason why someone's not grabbing the bar if the reason why they're not jumping up on the rings has anything to do with their heart rate this is like the equivalent of the 2017 CrossFit Games except for upper body or like every event was squatting and running and people's legs were just fucking absolutely destroyed this is what this reminds me of which I guess and to be honest, 2017 is like

one of my favorite years of games programming. I like this a lot. It is super shoulder heavy, but I do like it a lot. What would you rate it on a one to 10 scale? Jr pretend like you don't know who Dylan is. And you've never heard of water. I don't know who, I don't know who programs at all. Do you? I don't know who programs every, like the, the person or the team of people I don't know. So, um, that was a key value. Ken, what is that? That would not come into the, come into the equation. As far as it being like when I look at a competition like this and I see people like Jeff, Ricky, Pat, James Bragg in the field and I see

people, you know, like freaking Laura, Alexis Raptus, Brooke, like they're like this is in my memory the by far the best field I've ever seen at Waterloo's especially on the women's side. Are Tia and Laura competing? Tia is not. Oh wow. So when I look at that and I say, hey, is this competition gonna show who the fittest person at the competition is? I say, yes, it is. Hey, Tia-

But I'm also not saying that as a cop out where like you could put any six or seven workouts together in Tia and Matt Wynn type situation. Like it wouldn't matter if they were all sub five. It wouldn't matter if they were all 20 minutes plus. It wouldn't matter if they were all push pull, whatever. I'm saying it from a standpoint of yes, I think there's enough breath in the test to expose people and also separate at the very top.

Yeah. If T was doing this, she would absolutely murder every theme on the field. After maybe the top five, I think the programming is really going to dictate Yeah, if Tia was doing this, she would absolutely fucking murder every female in the field. After maybe the top five, I think the programming is really going to dictate who finishes top ten and who doesn't, for sure. Can you tell Tia Kiefer for me, just tell her to stop not doing competitions to keep Laura's hopes alive? I'm getting really fucking tired of this.

If she's going to squash hopes for everybody, just do it across the board. I don't like seeing Laura win I'll shoot her a message cool. I'll let her know you're excited to see her back on the floor What one to ten JR you didn't answer my question that's really all people came here for one to ten wait first off JR do you know what a p-value is just yes or no? Not enough to speak to. Okay. You have been fucked at Greg's keifer. Same here.

You'd have been, uh, neither do I guys. And trust me, I was supposed to learn about them for two whole days. Um, okay. One to 10 tier water Palooza 2025 programming. Keeper you go first. Oh, eight. Good, dude. What do you not remember the conversation we had about a one to 10 scale?

Do you, do you remember me saying though? I don't think I've ever given above a nine. That's what I'm saying. No, you said you've never given above an eight. You queef. Did I really say that? Yeah. Okay.

Well, yeah, I think there's like from, but I'm saying this as like there are eight ones, eight twos, eight threes, eight fours, eight five. So my separation after eight, there's, there's, there's a lot of, so you have a one to 10 between eight and nine. Sure. Kiefer? I was actually gonna say eight. I'm excited about it.

Because I think if somebody's, one of my concerns, one of the concerns that comes up with water polizists, they only compete for two days. I think for a two day competition, they packed in a ton of shit, which makes it fun for the athletes. The workouts are not too cute at all. Like they're all fucking hard. And I think that there's gonna be a lot of good races with the

way some of them are set up. And that's, and to JR's point, like I don't think we could look at this and say that somebody's gonna sneak by and finish on the podium that doesn't necessarily earn it by being one of the fittest, and that's good enough to make it a really good comp for me. Yeah, well I think normally people can skirt by in competitions. And I mean, it's probably true of my competitions is Skirt by.

They're either, they're either not skilled enough, not strong enough, don't have good enough overhead. Like I'll just say overhead overhead stamina, positioning, whatever, or they're not fit enough, there's nothing long enough. And here I can't say that any of those athletes will get by. Because I think a lot of times in competition, there isn't enough skill to separate, especially on the men's side, or there isn't enough, there isn't something long enough, or there isn't something heavy enough. But I think here, like you can say that there's a, there all of those things.

You know what I really like about it is that they do not have a two scored event. I like that. I think it's, I don't want to say it's played out, but I feel like everyone always feels like they need to do it. And I like that they don't have them. I like this just six fucking scores, three workouts a day. Um, I can't give it an eight because there is a rested one rep max lift, and there's nothing else that's single modality.

So it's impossible for me to give it an eight. That's not through the first, first workout is it's not single modality. It is. No, it's not. There's a second modality and let's, let's just say, let's just for all intents and purposes, if that worth the weight workout was three different weight lifting exercises, they're all heavy as fuck. I might feel a lot differently, but it's a rested.

It's just to clean from the ground in the hand clean. Those are different. That's the same movement, dude. It's just two reps. Stop it. And it's running and biking are so much more different than a clean and a hang. Fair. Anyways, to that, to that point, I'll go a seven three.

And I think that's the best I can do. I really like you, Dylan. I love you. Great workouts. I'm excited to watch it. Um, actually, you were super positive about all of them. Probably. Probably just thought about being out there and, uh, and how good he'd do. Yeah.

I think we're still in shape. Uh, those were the days. You're going to get some winners. I can still make myself throw up on 150 Burpee pull-ups. Not a lot of those pussies can do that. That's for sure. Yeah. Let's see winners. Uh, where do I find the leaderboard?

I'm going to say on their Instagram, there's a huge like, I'm going to make this quick. It's nine o'clock airbrow and I got to work out in the morning. Uh, water blues up. You can pull up J wise top 20. You'd probably be able to pick your event winners from those lists. No, I don't want to give J.Y. any attention. Kiefer, do you think that, do you think in Taylor 2, do you think that the movement combinations and the duration of the workout or the variation of the strict pressing that are in both of them with the dumbbell bench and the wall facing handstand pushup, do you think you can, you can pretty much pick the same top fives or do you

think those workouts are different enough to where they're going to lend to a lot of different. This is crazy. I didn't realize Jason was competing in the adaptive division. Sorry. Uh, like they're both up and I think those two are different. I'm not sure if there's with a lot of pulling and pushing. So do you think that in general the same athletes are going to excel at them or no?

No, I think it's gonna be different. Elite teams, women, elite teams, men. I do too. RX. I think the one with the hundred pound dumbbell snatches is so much more fitness limited and so much grittier than the other one. That I think that you're gonna have a totally different shakeup on the top of the leaderboard. I don't see this guys.

Do you see the elite? They post. Yeah, keep going down. They're right there. Where? One of those. I don't have my glasses on. Oh, it's gotta be there. It's gotta be there though.

I think that might be still like keep going down. Intermediate They probably are. All right. One more room eats first. Oh Here we go. I missed that. Okay All right men Holy shit, Josh. Your base is competing. That's a fucking throwback. I like him. He's a good dude I'll just to list Don't know him at all George sterner, what do you guys expect out of him? Is this a field of 40?

Yeah, women have like 48. Don't they keeper? Okay, George sterner is he in the top 20 or out of the top 20? I Don't even know George sterner. Well, you've never heard the name do George steroner was like cleaning 380 when he was like 19 years old He's he's an old Used to haunt the leaderboard, but he's not actually old. He's probably like only 25 now He retired when he was 21. He's basically the Mal O'Brien of the men's field But he never made the games and was never like that good. So I'm curious to see what he does. It's retarded that John Young picked Austin Hatfield to win.

I like Austin a lot. He's a good dude and he's fit as fuck. Is it though annoying the workouts? The lift really suits him. He can hand clean 385, which is retarded. The pressing workout is gonna be amazing suits him. He can hand clean 385 which is retarded. The pressing workout's going to be amazing for him. I think the biggest issue he's going to have is the first workout because he's got short little legs and he's just not great on the eco bike or step overs or maybe he is. Did he do well at Chad? Wasn't he like, should have worked. He really well.

Wow. Maybe I'll fucking eat my words on that. All right. I just, I'm not thinking him to win. I'm just saying knowing the workouts. I don't think it's crazy for somebody to put it out there that he might, especially if you're John and you want to be the one that's right. Wasn't he 10th at the games this year? Correct.

It was his rookie year. He was 10th at the games after what? 10 guys fucking withdrew. So let's be generous and say he would have been 15th if no one had withdrawn. To be fair, maybe 16. And this is, he also won the final two workouts back to back. So that's a big 200 points to grab on essentially the same style of workout. Right.

I think, would you agree that if I need to say something for real quick, I need to say something about back to back workouts, because Taylor brought up a really good point. And I'm starting to, and I'm someone that's done back to backs that are 100 points a lot. And I think the biggest issue with it is when you do something back to back, they need to be testing different things if you're going to score them on points. And when I try it, when I say that to people, they come to me and they say, but JR, one of them is a heavy, a moderate thruster. And the other one's a light thruster. And one of them is chest to bar. And one of them is bar muscle ups. One of them was more metabolic and one of them was more grippy. The yolks didn't matter at all. Let me paint a scenario for you. didn't matter at all. Let me let me let me paint a scenario for you. It's Friday night at the CrossFit Games. Dave announces the workout and it's 75 power snatch 75 bar facing burpee for time and then the next morning he announces a workout and he says, guys, we're doing 40, we're doing five rounds for time of 15 snatches at 135, 15 burpee box jump over. Awesome.

They're not back to back anymore, but they are back to back using the exact same movements and you're going to award them both 100 points. That them both 100 points, that is ridiculous to say. So I think that back-to-back at the Games, to Keeper's point, was extremely skewed in that we are valuing 200 points of that competition that only had a thousand, there are only 10 workouts, right? To the same, to that same movement combination. So I think when, when people look at back to back, so you need to look at, okay, yeah, there's some work rest. What are they testing? Are they testing the same thing? Is it strict deficit, handstand pushups and then biker and drag rope? Or is it thrust or pull up thrust or pull up?

Okay. I'm sorry. Uh, this is crazy that Nick Matthews even got a spot here. Um, Ricky got rad. Fucking can I think Ricky's going to be top three for sure. Uh, I'd have to say Jeff Adler is going to be on the podium for sure. And it would be, Oh man, I'm going to go with James Sprague on the podium. And I'm going to say Austin Hatfield is going to be in fourth.

And I'm going to say Patrick Bellmer is going to be maybe 13th or 14th. And the rest, I'm not really sure on the women's side. Maybe 13th or 14th and the rest I'm not really sure on the women's side. I would bet I would bet I would bet An extreme amount of money that Pat is not gonna be outside Just let me be a fucking dick dude, okay, relax Well, no, it was it's more it's more John John's the one that's like like just sending him to the grave right now He's not in the grave. His, uh, his abilities and his fitness is insane.

Pat Velner will for sure be in the top five, whether or not that's on the podium or fifth place or winning. I don't know. The one thing that actually concerns me about Pat Velner is a lot of the overhead stuff. And that's not to say that he's not a good gymnast because he is, but we know historically since that bicep injury in the 2016 regionals snatch workout or overhead squat workout, his support position has struggled and in any workout where he's had to do a lot of heavy loading in the support position, think about the grace workouts at rogue invitational, think about the dumbbell overhead lunges at the games.

He has issues and there's that dumbbell workout with the overhead position. And I feel like that thruster workout, the hang power snatch is honestly not going to be great for him. Not horrible. But I just agree. I think anything with 30 ring muscle up is very wheelhouse. And you think he's what about the handstand pushup workout? Um, yeah, I think that is, that is a little bit more of a, Hey, do the

back half wall face and get tough or not? Like I think that's there's is a little bit more of a, Hey, do the back half wall facing get tough or not? Like, I think that's, there's some legitimacy there, but it's as far as like, there's no heavy snatching. There's no heavy overhead squatting. That only thing that's there that you're talking about really is that overhead. Yeah. Top five. And then females.

Gosh, I don't even know. Uh, let's see. I don't think, uh, Laura Hotebat don't think Laura Hohrbott will win because of all the handstand pushups and pressing. Although she really fucking lucked out that there's 50 bench presses. I don't think those 21 wall facing are gonna matter. Make enough of a difference. I think the muscle ups in that workout and dude, I don't know. I don't think she's going to do well in that.

She's great at muscle ups. I think she's going to do really well in the final style. It was muscle ups. She's the, the, the fittest with. She's, she's one of the fittest women on earth and she's going to be probably the best in the field across the three weightlifting movements that are combined with the muscle ups and that's going to play a huge factor. How bad is Alexis Raptors that clean hang clean?

I don't know. See, I think, see, I think she, I think she murders the third event. Like I think she is going to, and the final, I think Alexis beats everyone. A lot of them. My question would be like, where is her top end strength? Like I don't, because that's one that, I think that one and the long one are the ones that will usually create as much, create more separation

with the people in the middle feel like, if you guys don't think Lydia Fish is going to like destroy some of the pacing workouts and get between a lot of the girls that might finish in the top five, like you're crazy. People like that, or that are that fit and that good at like pacing are going to be able to make those that struggle on the long workout look like they struggled more.

I hope Ariel Lohan beats the shit out of Laura Horvath. Just got to say it. I hope. Oh, Andrea Piner how is the elite individuals? Mmm, I guess we'll find out still and how could you know what a political answer There was a strong girls competing. Well, will Kyra win the lift? I just wondering if like Annie Spiegel Laura Horvath, I want all our I just want him to power and not squat and just see if because he might even be stronger Wow, there's a strong fuel Brooke Wells, how's Brooke gonna do dad? I

Think she's gonna do very very good top four Yes top two think she's gonna do very, very good. Top four? Yes. Top two. Do you think she's capable of winning? Was that an unfair question to ask you? Well, there's a ball of winning. There's a place. I don't think she's capable of winning. Yeah. Like, like, does she have the physical? There are some, there are some, there are some, uh, there are some opportunities

for wins and I think you have to win a couple to even say I have a chance of winning and this is, and it's, I mean, I, admittedly, I'm not around a lot of really high level females, so unless I ask someone if she tells me a time or she tells me a weight and I think to myself, well, that's really, really good. I mean, I think it's really, really good, but comparatively to the best in the world, I don't have a gauge there. So are you guys working a lot on some of her movement? Did she work on with that?

We're working on everything. Like did HWPO take a vested interest in her mechanics and improving technique and a lot of things? Because she's an athlete to me where like she would have all of the physical gifts or potential you might want but there are a lot of movements where I feel like you could fix some things and it would make a huge impact. Uh, would you agree? Just, I would say just to answer your question, like, and this is going back with Jason, like I know specifically, Steve is amazing at movement, not only for

like rehab, but for prehab, for deficiencies, stuff like that. And I mean, when I can only speak to when Jake was here, and when Jake was here, he was extremely, extremely detailed when it came to her lifts and like how to make everything as efficient as possible. I was impressed by that part of it, because that's a part of it that I really don't know about, and I would just outsource 100% to little nuances and the snatch and stuff like that. That's just not my thing.

But I think in general, she's very professional in her approach to training. She's a gym rat. She enjoys to train. But I also think that she's not just someone who doesn't care about movement quality. Like she's very aware when, uh, she's not moving as well. Like I programmed, um, celebrate 10 for her. Do you remember that word?

And she told me her time. And I mean, I said it messing with her. I said, Danny, your handstand pushups count. And she was like, what do you mean? And I was like, did you open your hips at the top? And she was like, yeah, I thought about doing it every time. I was like, good. Because, you know, that's something that high level athletes, they close their hip at the top of hands and pushups, what they do. So I think that I have to give her credit in that I think she's really, really aware of stuff like that. It can also be tough, I feel like, with a veteran athlete that's been doing it so long, and you don't know how much longer they're gonna do it too,

to determine what the opportunity cost is of the starting leg that you could spend. Because realistically, for most people, you're gonna take maybe a step backwards before it gets better. And if you're worried about right now and not about two or three years from now, that makes a big difference. It's a real shame how many good athletes get away with such crappy movement. I'm not saying Brooke moves crappy, but a lot of good athletes do.

It's a real shame how many of them get away with it because they didn't have coaches that tell them they move like shit. Well, I think for me at least, one of my goals with her is to like make her a good legless rope climber, not just someone who can get through legless and workout. Like I'm like, no, I think you can like be a good legless rope climber. And what I'd rather her put in two sessions a week trying to get better at that than like, hey, I think if we recruited your glutes a little bit more, your knees wouldn't valvus on a really heavy squat. I don't care, she's just fine getting by

with her knees coming in a little bit on the squat. For me to look at that and say, oh, that should be priority over like a gymnastics thing. Like that's the way I look at it. You may disagree and just be like, no, we need to clean up movement first. And then we can move towards developing capacity. Theresa Rocheford. Why don't we want Adler to win?

I don't think JR or Kiefer have any qualms with Jeff Adler, but my qualm with Jeff Adler and Caroline Lambray is that they somehow think that affiliates owe games athletes something. Um, and she said that on Peter's podcast and I think that's retarded. So he's an amazing athlete, but now I don't like him. I think he's going to win. I'm not. Unfortunately, I probably think you're right. You don't also a bias. I'm also a bias Ricky fan. Oh you want Ricky to like God I like Ricky so much isn't it amazing how you can take someone who fucks up so royally

Like oh my god, dude, the one thing don't cheat and he fucking cheats Everybody hates him But because he's so honest and vulnerable and just kind of he is who he is and he doesn't put on a facade that he comes Back and everyone fucking loves him I mean, I think everyone loves him. I don't see any I don't see shit anywhere. It's like off fuck Ricky. Do you know what I mean? Maybe some other athletes he had to go from him He went through some shit in the first six months of him coming back to get to this point. It's a sure But what do you I mean you have to expect that to a degree, but when he came back for me I was like fuck I'm excited to watch him come back and he served his four-year sentence and stayed committed

What a Mayhead kids kids little and there's no kids watching the show Hopefully if they're hard parents you guys are fucking up But that's you want your kid to be like someone like Ricky who people are gonna make mistakes But he kind of pays his dues and comes back. And if he pops again, then I'll go fuck myself. But for now, good dude. All right.

With that, we're out of here. I'm done. You guys anything else? Nope. Good. I give it a seven four or seven three seven four. You guys both gave it eights Cool waterpalooza new venue tip. Sorry tear waterpalooza new venue. See you guys