The Sevan Podcast - It is TIME - Dave Castro LIVE

Episode Date: December 22, 2024

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Be a good friend. Support me in this time of despair. I'm gonna put you on the back end, Caleb. Alright, we're back. I'm gonna hand you the book back. Like nothing weird ever happened? Now Jared's not even gonna get the promo cuz no one's even gonna watch that we already deleted all that Had to become a prayer warrior by Jared Ellis when you're gonna have him want to get so he wouldn't so what'd you say to him? I basically said hey

Will you come on in Christmas and do like a little sermon little Jesus talk Jesus talk and what do you think? Maybe not Christmas? Like why not hey I see something in your background Where is it? What is that? Is that like a whose face is over Trump on the on the when he got shot in the air? Where is it? Oh? This that's um, yeah. Yeah, pull that up. I want to see it. That's some James. Is that spray spray? Where did that come from? You have all the funny shit. That's great, huh? Are people sending you this stuff or you having it made one of one of the fans one of his buddies one of his good buddies

Just took that off at the game. Yeah, I've worn it. I'm getting ready to wear it again I'm gonna do the open in that thing I'm pretty pumped. Someone had this at the game. the game so yeah dude there were like 30 people in the audience there were like 30 people in the audience at the games wearing this wearing that yeah and then one of the guys is like it took it off is like here's heavy if you wear this I'm like of course I'll wear it but I was thinking in my head I'll never fucking wear that what do you think of that dude on the the Secret Service guy right there? What do you notice?

With the man? Yeah. He doesn't even look real. Yeah, I know. It's crazy, huh? Yeah, he looks like AI. He looks like he's from the Matrix. Do you know him? No, I don't. You guys have a similar nose. Me and him? Yeah. Ari sat in that same seat a couple days ago and he's like, hey, when I stared just at your nose and I don't look at your face, that thing is ugly. He did not. Yes. On air. Yes. I need to make that a real. Look at this guy.

It looks like a fucking model on the right there. I know it doesn't even look real. James isn't real either. That's actually Trump. Jeez. Right over my coffee. Well, you got a lot of new things. You got this. This is cool though. Yeah, and you know you can fire that and it'll spark. Boys love it.

What do you mean? Show me. So this thing right here and this piece of flint here, you pull this thing back and you lower this. Oh wow, that's cool. Yeah. Did it come in a box with a bunch with a pair of shoes? It came in a crazy box that like has wood. I saw people getting those on Instagram. Like wood from the Mayflower or some shit. You must not have my address anymore. Yeah. Dave, it's great to see you. Make sure you give Seve crap.

He already is. Seriously, I thought he was gonna get up and leave Wait, what so this goes forward or this no this comes back. Okay, I don't want to 10 How close were you to leaving? Oh, it goes forward. Okay My knee two cups of coffee Hold on what am I doing wrong here? Show me how to do that. My little kids couldn't do it either. That's it Oh, then you just pull this forward and then the Flint hits that oh because you didn't pull it back all the way My kids weren't strong enough to pull it back all the way my kids Weren't strong enough to pull it back either. Thanks, but I've been working out a lot

Have you so am I? What have you been doing currently? Oh That's super cool Currently I'm following fucking main site. Maybe I should do that. Yeah, it's fucking great and hard and challenging and I'm actually Sore old yeah both Maybe I should do that. Yeah, it's fucking great and hard and challenging and i'm actually Oh god, I don't even want to say this sore old. Yeah both Logging my stuff in uh Beyond the whiteboard and it's not private

So like you could see my fucking score. Yeah I actually now might make it private but uh my stuff i'm following the main site and main site and you go at the door. Fuck you. I'll say this. I was running a lot. Yeah. And with your daughter. Yeah, because of my daughter. And she's faster than I am. And I have ego. So I want to catch up to her and I probably won't be able to catch up to her again. You want to be a good role model. That's what I heard. I want I want to be able to at least be near her when we're running. And so I was doing three mile runs on a regular

basis and my times were just dropping and dropping and dropping. And finally I ran like a 21.07, which is, you know, it's not incredibly fast. I've been much faster, but for where I'm at now, I was like, yeah, seven minute miles. Basically, I'm happy at that. So then a couple of weeks later, I went out for another three mile run, run about twice a week in Silverman CrossFit at that time. And actually I had another component in there that I was doing that I'll share in a minute. And I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna go under 21. I'm going for it as at the ranch.

And I started running and half a mile into the run, not pop, like I didn't tear, I definitely strained my hamstring. The same one that in 2000, I had to Google it. I think it was 2010 at the IMG event in Bradenton, Florida with all the cross and I think- IMG Academy, yeah. IMG Academy, the Combine 360.

We took a bunch of athletes down there to do the Combine 360. And on the final day, the final event, we ran 40s. And they all did it and I was just jumping into everything and I did the 40 and first one I ran I was like 5.01 or something. I'm like, oh fuck. Yeah, I'm gonna go under five. I'm gonna have a four nine forty So on the next one I went after and legitimately pulled my hamstring like it fucked it up And so that was back in ten for years it lingered and just like I had to nurse it and deal with it feel like when you pull a hand me horrible It does yeah. Yeah, it's not painful like a crank like a cramp and just so like like pinpoint and

So then years late like seven or probably six or seven years later Way past it. I decided I wanted to do a marathon and Again, cuz I've done a couple of marathons pre-crossfit and I was like, I'm gonna train for a marathon, only doing crossfit and only doing short interval training. So I was going down to this field by my house when I lived in Carlsbad, baseball field, and I would do 200s and 400s and some 800s

and I was doing some 400s and boom, not as bad, but it hit again. And I'm like, fuck. And so for another couple of years after that, that was in 17 or 18, it was just there. And then here we are another six years later, the same exact spot, the same one. The severity of the injury though is way less

than it was the previous two times, especially the first time. How far were you into the run this last time? Half a mile and and it sucks, it's just like I couldn't run anymore. It just stopped in my tracks. I'm like, oh fuck, and it just felt like all my training and all my progress is just like wiped out.

And- Is it like plantar fasciitis, but on the hamstring? It's like, it feels like there's a nail in there? No, it's just like a muscle. Like it just, it hits and you can't run can't run anymore and it's you fucking you're basically limping and it's really just Pinpointed in the belly of it. Is it actually an injury or is it something tightened up? What is it people in this second part the second or that second this recent one? I don't even think it was pulled. I just I'd say I aggravated it or maybe strained it, but I definitely didn't pull it

Then there's this guy barbell physio he's he's on IT he's doing some stuff with us I emailed him and I said hey what should I do and he had a couple good strengthening tips or movements to do that have really I've been doing a lot of and they've helped me so and I've also had Quan here in Santa Cruz working on it. So, but anyways, also during that time, a couple of months ago, Hobart hit me up and he goes, hey, remember when you were, you did the Linda bias training?

I'm like, yeah, I remember. And so basically there's a phase where I decided I was gonna do Linda in under 20 minutes, which for me was as our exit, a step goal. And so I trained just doing Linda like stuff in intervals and with CrossFit things and Eventually hit that goal. So then when he mentioned that to me a few months ago, I was like I need something else like that I'm like I'm gonna try to do Amanda in Ten minutes. That's the snatch muscle. Yeah and

Rx in under ten minutes. I've never been able to do it. Even snatch. I mean, snatch in 135 is really fucking hard for me. So I started training hardcore for that and doing a lot of muscle ups and it was crazy to realize how far gone my muscle ups are now. I used to be really good at muscle ups and like, no, not anymore. And then muscle ups and like, no, not anymore. And then, um, snatching a lot and like the reality of being able to do that amount of work in that time was very daunting and unrealistic, but then the hamstring thing hit and so that just derailed everything. And so slowly started, uh, easing back into training, put the, put the Amanda bias training on hold,

put the running on hold and just decide, all right, I need to do something and I'm capable. Like I can walk around, I can even run now, but I'm not running fast at all because I'm terrified of doing it again. I'm just like easing back into it. So I decided, all right, I'm going to do main site. Would you run a five K if it popped up on main site? Very slow, very slowly. I mean even the thought of running right now. Today's workout was a run workout. It was as many rounds as possible in 30 minutes of run 800, 20 total bar and 20 calories on the eco bike. Total bar I had to scale because of the ab injury from Big Sky, you know that one. I changed to knees to elbow,

and then our knees to chest is what Nainsight had written. I don't remember what happened to Big Sky. You got a hernia? I don't know if it's a hernia, but I hurt my ab and it's been, every time I do high rep ab stuff, it locks up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. You had us do, you had me do a sit-up competition

in front of all the affiliates and everyone at the end Of the day after I've been throwing up in the hotel from altitude. Oh, that's right Well, you have a good memory so anyway, no, I actually don't so anyways, um, yeah So today I ran three eight hundreds in a workout very slowly and And like I ran at my house, a downhill and uphill and just like take it easy. I snatched a 125 today. That's good. Yeah. I haven't snatched in forever.

John Young sent me a video of a 58 year old guy doing his training program. He's that's 125. I mean, I rode two minute intervals for eight minutes to warm up. And then I started, I started with the intervals for eight minutes to warm up. And then I started I started with the woman's bar 35 and then kept that and then did overhead squats like sets one took me like 30 minutes to get to it. And then I tried 135 and it was like deadlifting 500 pounds.

The difference between 125 and 135. But you're flexible, you got good position. I'm flexible. And what's crazy is I took a video of it. And when I did it, I'm like, fuck, I'm flexible and what's crazy is I took a video of it and when I did it I'm like fuck. I'm so fast and look at the video It's like through peanut butter It's like a power into a squat, right? No. No, I can actually with 125. I can actually I can pull under it Okay, I think maybe I'm lying to myself. I'll show you the video afterwards

I would show you now, but I'm afraid I'm gonna screw something up. Yeah, don't do it. Yeah. Hey It's been a minute how long it been since you've been here? What do you come on about? Twice a year? Last year maybe twice a year. I wouldn't say on a regular basis come on twice a year. I mean, how long have you been in here? How long have you been doing this?

Four or five years now. No, you have not. Caleb, how long have I been doing it? Yeah. Caleb's like, uh-huh. Okay. It's crazy, right? Yeah, it was like, huh? OK, it's crazy, right? Yeah, about probably twice last year. Yeah. Dave Castro, Cougar.

Oh, Dave Castro's Cougar. Oh, look at that. Oh, that's that's a comment on my Instagram. That's like 499. You owe me 250. Oh, Castro, Mike Castro. I don't know who Dave Castro's cougar is but he always comments on my interestingly I'll say this the cougar has not been around in the last few weeks. And you didn't shoot it? I didn't I didn't shoot it no that's like a big no-no in California. No shooting the cougar. Yeah they've been

protected I think for like 15 or 20 years here. Sorry stop listening to you are you are you because I'm fired up i'm ready to go for the hard talk ready Let's do uh, let's do the wad you do the wad not like right now, but you start following main site. Oh, okay. I will Oh, I don't I don't even know how can you just go to main site and it's there right on the cover I don't even know here's the here's the best way to get it now is I don't even know if you go to crossfit.com Is the yeah crossfit.com but check this out. Well, you like if you're be on the whiteboard, hold on you can use the games app go to the games app Do you have the games app? I don't know click on the games app and then click on workout Should say wad. I do have the games app. Okay, click on workout

It's downloading now That's how long it's been since I've opened it. Okay, cross the games. Okay, click on workout says login or create account Shit, I'm fucked. I Hope it can just do it automatically. Oh I can't do it. I have to log in and all that. There's a lot of comments on here actually jeez Comments where on the wad? Yeah, I mean 40. Oh, Caleb, did you pull it up? Is it on main site? It is on main site. OK.

Yeah. So main site is one place you can find it, obviously. And then on this on this app and then email of the day, we email the workout of the day. OK. And then the other place you can find it, where sometimes I use to be on the whiteboard.

So if you have a subscription to be on the whiteboard, you can have tracks that you essentially follow and I follow. Oh, who's programming now? This is good. Yeah, that's good. Huh? Yeah. The cap team, Spencer, Sarah.

Oh, this is good. Yeah. Look at all that detail. I don't need it. Hold on. Scroll down. I'm an expert cross. No, scroll down. Scroll down. Look at hold on. I'm an expert cross. No scroll down scroll down

Look at the comments You should get in there start. Oh, yeah, nine comments 69 comments there 40 here start putting my times in there. Hey Do you know where you're gonna be for the open those three weeks or the no do I know personally or do we know where? The open do you know where you personally will be not yet? I Would like to do the open at the ranch this you know where you personally will be not yet. I would like to do the open at the ranch this year and have you judge me. I mean normally I'm back on the weekends. Okay.

We'll see. Oh, do something for you. What? I don't know. We'd like the back 40 years. You know, you won't. Max from Germany came out to do that story. No, he works on team during the games and he came out to visit a couple weeks ago.

And he was like, Hey, I'll do work around here like because I had to travel I had to go on a quick trip somewhere. And I told him like, Hey, I'm not gonna be around for the whole week. Like that's fine And I'm like, so what are you doing? He's like, I will do some work put me to work And I'm like really and he's like, yeah, I'm like dick. Don't tell me that and he's like no. Yes I want to work and so I was like, alright see that wood pile. Yeah, yes I go split it all and so you spent hours every it was firewood and and I had a machine a splitter Yeah, and he split it on he like serviced the machine and cleaned the machine. Wow, and he did like a really good job

Yeah, wow. Yes, it was cool. Well, you'll be hearing for him HR for that Work for grass. Oh, he doesn't know do I know max? No, I don't know I don't think so. Uh, I want to I want to get through some uh shit that I never want to talk to you about ever again so um these are just things that i've been uh putting together just shit i've been hearing on the internet just some like taylor swift type questions Taylor swift yeah you know like pop shit okay you know what I mean? Like just just the loudest people in the room There's criticism that you don't take feedback That you don't take counsel and that you don't take advice and that you're unapproachable

in regards to ideas for the games workouts venues Scoring, you know just basically that you're dogmatic you're stuck in your ways and that you know, it's it's it's either a swing from your nuts or Or or you're out What's your experience with me? I mean I defend you all the time

I'm just to saying to that question, you're probably one of the closest people to me, and you've worked with me for over decades. What's your experience with me on that topic? I know that Boz isn't afraid of you. I know Chuck's not afraid of you. I know Todd Widman's not afraid of you. I know Heather's not afraid of you. I know Curtis Bowler's not afraid of you.

I know Doc Ray's not afraid of you. I know Bill Hennigar's not afraid of you. I know Curtis Bowler's not afraid of you. I know Doc Ray's not afraid of you I know Bill Hennigers not afraid of you. I mean I've seen you go. I footage of you for sure I can remember you I have a half dozen times where you and Adrian have just gone at it in front of me Definitely you and Chuck and I've seen Chuck and Todd fucking just lay into you at the games and Chuck and Todd fucking just lay into you at the games. And even when you're fighting with them, like it's cordial, like you stand there, you don't get emotional. They go off, then you go off a little, then they go off.

And I'm kind of blown away by it. It's like really intense communications at times. I mean, 99% of it is like formal around a desk, people going through shit, you laying out ideas. It couldn't be further from the truth, but I'm also not going to defend it. I also don't care. Like say what you will, if that's what you believe, go ahead and believe it. It's not my job or my goal to change your mind on that topic.

The people saying that are probably the furthest away from me and probably hardly even know me or have very little interaction with me. So I'm not worried about it. I don't like, I'm not going to sit here and give examples and defend myself and say I'm so collaborative and I listen to and everyone has a voice and like fuck that. Okay and then let me let me piggyback on top of that. There's also this thing that just comes up every I mean it's just a fucking recording that you Athletes can't speak up because they will be punished and that there'll be some retribution from CrossFit I mean it is it is it is like it's like somewhere on even look like I

What's that even look you win the games five times? I? Mean the the athletes like our continual rotating cast of characters meaning like okay You don't get to do an open announcement you get blackballed. Okay, I'll give you an example This is in their mind. I'm not saying that I've ever seen this happen, but there's three open events and you're fighting with Colt Merton post something that like workouts at the games last year were shitty and like okay He's not gonna be invited to do the open on on the web this year with us. I Don't even so well, let me say this the people who choose the open or when we've chosen open announcement athletes Early on in the beginning. We just did it by like your rank in the games

Like if you were good, you finished top in the last year's games before that, we would just pick you. In recent years, it's definitely gone away from that and we pick different characters, but our team will collect a list, they'll share it around, I'll look at it, other people will look at it, we'll discuss it, and Then we just pick people and it's not like there's anyone If and let's say this

Retribution what would be wrong with not picking someone? How is it? Retribution if you don't get picked like I'm sitting around bad-mouthing CrossFit once a week on Instagram The games were unfair Dave doesn't listen to me. The level one is stupid. That's such an unrealistic I that's an unrealistic example even because I mean like She's I could think of people in last year's open who are On a regular basis pretty critical of us think about that think of who was in last year's open

I only remember Colton Mertens and Justin Medeiros. Those are the only two. Think of who else. I don't remember. Let me see. I don't, I don't know. Let me see if someone will tell me in the chat. And they've, uh, there's people who have been pretty vocal against us. You've been in recent opens. So like whatever. But, but let me say this. If you, if you did want to have someone forward-facing, why would you want

to publicize someone who wasn't on-brand, who wasn't supportive? That's also a completely fair argument in all of this too, and that doesn't mean it's retribution. Right. Meaning, like, so if we're going to pick people to do the open announcements who are good ambassadors of CrossFit and of the community and of the methodology and of of the affiliates and that's at the expense of in your example Someone who's talking shit about the programming and the games that person clearly isn't Probably that supportive of the things we're doing why should they get the platform right, you know, and what how is that retribution?

How is that just not there's better choices, you know, and there's people who align with the the call it the affiliate way the affiliate ethos the community The retribution thing is weird because here's what I see as retribution. Like you don't get to go to the games and that's clearly never happy Brent Annie Fee Uh to other people I don't know, Royce Dunst, some lady named Dina Swift and another person all signed a letter, forward-facing, has 500,000 views on Instagram or whatever, all asking for you to be fired from the games that you built. Are they allowed to enter the open and go to the games? No, they've been blacklisted

from the competition for the rest of the Of course not, of course they can go to the game is that gonna be in the rulebook? Yes, exactly their name specifically Of course, they can enter. Of course they can compete. Of course if they meet the criteria they can qualify for the games Of course they can compete. Of course if they meet the criteria they can qualify for the games. Okay. Nothing there. When you're judging them online, you won't be like James when Patty's video comes through. Ding them 50 reps. Do you know if I even attempted that? How quickly that would get out. I mean, there's people on the video judge review team from last year that are not clearly part of our organization,

that are part of the judges association. Do you think if I tried doing anything like that, that would not get conveyed? Like, hey, do you think if I told Boz, hey, make sure that guy gets a little harder assessment on his judging, like, he wouldn't do it. No one like it's a ridiculous thing to assert. You know what's crazy about that is that same chamber of people who would say that you,

you bust people also in that group are people who say that Matt Fraser, Rich Froning, Tia, Scott Pancik, Maderas all do roids and you guys protect them because you want people to keep repeating. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's the exact opposite story out there too, which is insane. Not that you punish them. Yeah, that's true. That's a really good, but that you're protecting them.

So now I kind of see your point. Like how am I supposed to argue with that? Like whatever side I'm on, there's going to be someone else. No, we're not punishing them. No, we're not letting you. I don't have any desire or interest to argue with that. I think the people who work closely with me or the people who work with me at all know like, A, that would be, there's just too many moving parts to make something

like that happen, too many moving pieces. And I'm not that like, I'm not that type of person. I would also add this in there. Not only do you guys not have the time to conspire to do something like that, but I've never been around you guys when you guys are talking about those types of rumors. When you guys are around each other, you're fucking working. Do you have a particular person that is your go-to for workouts that you talk to? Is there is there like is there a Dave Castro

unofficial but like not outside I mean Adrienne I work closely with on the stuff but not like there's no one else outside of that sphere like you'd send Adrienne to text at 9 p.m. when you were just sitting back watching TV being like oh shit I just thought it's, maybe send it to him. No, no, it wouldn't happen like that. It would happen more further downstream when it's more solidified. But when this is funny though, like to the point of not being collaborative, when we're with the demo team or with any of the athletes who are testing that is like constantly happening

We're like asking them how they feel what they think watching them, you know What we program or plan goes through a lot of iterations of actual when people are doing them getting the feedback real time Very briefly, you know an interview or somewhere. I was talking to Colton or I saw him in an interview, I heard him say something along the lines that when he was testing at the, this really shocked me when he was testing that in Aromas at the ranch that it was just the two of you. Yeah.

For a couple days. There's, there's in years past and even this year. Yeah, there's been, there's a lot of occasions like that and sometimes honestly like It's good for me too just to like feel it see it without distractions Just connect with the athlete On on that individual. I mean there's been times where there's just the two of us like he described and and because You know, uh, it's easier for me to rally an athlete than it is to rally

the entire team to come to the ranch. And sometimes I really just want to keep things moving and do more and more testing. And maybe the, a few people of the team were out for like several days and they had to leave and I want to keep the momentum going. So I just bring people in and do it myself. Uh, Jody Lynn, love Love you Dave Castro. Thank you When you the workout one the one that Lazar drowned in when you you

You came up with that workout. Can you tell me the history of that workout? When you came up with it and what maybe what it was originally and if you ever thought it was too hard When you came up with it and what maybe what it was originally and if you ever thought it was too hard Or too easy can you give me any background on the the origins of that No, not currently okay fair I do know From media that came out when you were there I remember that you tested it and I remember you tested it with a handful of athletes.

I want to say that Trista Smith was there and I only know that because I remember I think that someone said you beat her. You didn't say that but someone else told me that. Can you tell me who else was there who tested it? Who else tested it with us? Was it the demo team? Did Colton test it? It was a handful of the demo team. I don't remember all the athletes who tested it? Who else tested it with us? Was it the demo team? Did Colton test it? It was a handful of demo team. I don't remember all the athletes who tested it. Okay. And when

and so you did the exact run and then you did the swim. Yeah. And was that prior to Lazar testing it? Because he tested it also. I don't know when he tested it. Okay. And when you tested it and you came out of the water, did you, what did you, do you remember your original thoughts or when the team, when you got together with the team, what you guys said? Let's move on from this one. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Okay. But you did test it. Yeah. Okay. And then not your words, but mine, but then Lazar tested it. I don't know when okay Huge asshole Hugh asshole, what's Dave relationship with Andy stump and would he ever go on his podcast? I know Andy well

I Don't do a lot of podcasts. I mean I pretty much only do this one. There's a few firearms shooting ones I mean, I pretty much only do this one. There's a few firearms shooting ones I've done. I don't really like doing podcasts. I don't like the format. I don't like the time commitment. I don't like just the the thing it's fake. Not it's fake, but like the show people put on. Okay. And like the the the the false entertainment people think they have to provide

and the stories that people say and just like... It's not my thing. Okay. And so to speak to going on to Andy's, I don't think so. Okay. I don't think he would ask me to go on, but I don't think I would do it. Actually last year, I did Jocko's, did last year I did jocos did yours jocos was very um That was affiliated with the fact that he was sponsoring the games also. Yeah, that was in relationship to that. Yeah

Jacqueline robinson, uh, thanks so much for everything you do dave supporting you from canada. Thank you All right Uh so the All right. So the event one happens. I don't know how many people were there. I'm just going to make this number up. There's a thousand people there, including all the athletes and team athletes. And everywhere you look, people are crying. And then from there, there's this emotional charge that's turned into words

that a lot of it's directed at you, positive and negative for since the games happen till now. And did you were you aware that you were at the center of that? And did that how did that hurt? Was that hard? How did center of that? And did that hurt? Was that hard? How did you process that? I mean, it's been a lot. I mean, people are, there's stuff from like, I love Dave, he's the fucking heart of the companies

with nothing without Dave to like, fuck, I hope he kills himself. I mean, it's all out there, you know? What's the question? Was that hard for you? Was that, how did you process that? Were you aware of that? All three of those. That, was that hard for you? Was that, how did you process that? Were you aware of that? All three of those.

That stuff is not hard for me. And let me tell you why that stuff is not hard for me. How do I say this? In my twenties into my early thirties, I was in the Navy. And for a chunk of that period towards the end, after 9-11, I would do things and go overseas and you literally have people trying to kill you. And you're literally almost, there's probably a handful of times where I could have easily died.

And you have an enemy who doesn't want you to exist there's probably a handful of times where I could have easily died and You have an enemy who doesn't want you to exist that you know You have to go into their town into their house you have to find them you have to pull them out and you know, they're trying to kill you and like that is a life and a Period that I lived and it influenced the way I think about things and how I handle stress and puts everything in perspective. So then when I got involved in CrossFit and you see people you know people have been saying stuff like that maybe not as to the degree that they are now for as long as I've been someone

prominent in CrossFit. It really didn't bother me at all. Like when you've gone from your, there's people who want to kill you to like people just talking shit about you. Like what's that really matter? And like, what's it really, what impact does it have on you? For me, the way I've processed and dealt with those two,

that one was way more severe. That one was like life changing. That one was like, okay, that gave me strength, let's say, for the rest of my life to deal with adversity and hard situations and people's comments or perception or what they're going to say about me. That's just like, it's, it's, it doesn't matter. Specifically from people I don't know, or from people who are just trying to get to me.

Now, if you were telling me you should go kill yourself, if my family was telling me that if they were telling me, you know what I mean? Like I'm serious, like people- There's a note from your wife next to your bed when you make up the morning, I hope you die. If, if, or they're like, hey, you're a piece of shit, or people that you really matter to you, are saying those things to you. That's very different. But just like those people who wanted me dead when I was going after them with my team, they didn't know me, I didn't know them,

but they still wanted that outcome. It's the same sort of thing with a lot of these people. I'd say a majority, I don't know them. There's some I do that say stuff about me. And then there's a lot who have no idea who I am or anything about me. And so, said another way, I guess I can just say this. It's easy for me to deal with that. It does not bother me at all. You can pull that mic towards you if you wanted to sit back.

I'm comfortable here. I wish I had a wider lens. Okay. Troy Peterson. Welcome back, homie. Damn, that's a lot of money. 50 bucks. Thank you. Hey, Troy Peterson. Yeah, he's the, Valor. He's's a What organization are you a Troy? Pat I'll scroll down there second Pat Lang Dave. This is for 50 bucks Dave. Don't fuck this up. You blocked me on insta I still love you glad you didn't get the axe. I I block a lot of people on Instagram and I we've talked about this before and What was who just said this Pat Lang Pat if I blocked you it's probably for a good reason

You probably said something I didn't like or you You cross the line that just like here's the thing with my Instagram if someone to walk in here right now Yeah, your room and say you're a piece of shit What are you gonna do you're gonna squirt them out or you can tell them get the fuck out of my house get the fuck out Of my office. That's how I view my Instagram. My Instagram is like my house or my office. You can say all that shit, say it elsewhere. Go say it on your account, go say it on someone else's account. But when you come to mine and you say stuff like that.

So I get so much shit for the amount of people I block, but it's just like house clearing. Like, hey, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to see it on my page. Do it elsewhere. Me and that dude have the same relationship arc that you and I have What's that? I just used to fight with them for like a year. They hated them and now we're like buddies, right? Yeah, no pat lang. Okay. I don't know. He came on the show. We talk he's good, dude Okay Um, I want to go back to what you said so there's two things there that some people are gonna say that you have a thick skin

But that's not what I hear you saying. You have a thick skin. It's just, it's all relative. Meaning there were guys on your team who probably have said harsher shit to you. Well, that's the other thing I came from a very cutthroat environment. I mean, being in that community for 12 years, it was all performance based. It's all like, what have you done for me lately? You couldn't just skate through. And so like, yeah, and people were very direct and called you out on your flaws and on what you're good at and more often on your flaws.

And so there's a hardening that happened. And people like must realize that about me in terms of that was the formative years of my life. Like all my twenties and early thirties, I was doing that job and it made me into who I am now. Um, uh, Trish, uh, can we get main site as a track on beyond the whiteboard? Yeah, it is. That's what I was saying. Okay. Um, and then, and then Trish says, love you, Dave. Um, uh, I support Dave from Brazil Gustavo Granado Thank you. Thank you, Gustavo. Thank you, Gustavo. Hey, um, so

I Know you and I know that the from that day Until you know recently that things have been hard for you You have you have you are you you were a little different I saw your moods go up and down your energies when I would talk to you on the phone You weren't coming on this podcast. So what was if it wasn't the outside voices? What was what was the hard part for you? What was the part that was that had hit you so hard? I mean and you were definitely hit at the games

I mean, I couldn't even see your eyes My personal journey on that topic is private and privileged to me. And I think when people come on these fucking things, they think they have to vomit at the mouth with all their experiences and open up. That is not me. And I am telling you now, like, that was hard on everyone. That was hard on a lot of people. And of course, it was hard on me. And the journey, the last several months, it's my private journey that I'm not going to share on a podcast like this, on a podcast ever. It's like it's that.

I'll ask you in 10 years. Hey, let me let me ask you one more really hard question here and I can feel the emotion coming off you right now. But I'm not going to let up here. Is any part of it weird that you have Luca morning and your morning and that you guys can't mourn together and somehow it's put you on opposite sides of the fence. Do you know what I mean? That you can't just be like two guys on an island and just like hug it out and just hang

out for like, do you know what I mean? Like, do you know what two fighters like we, after they like, we just saw Tyson for furry fury and you sick try to kill each other. And then Tyson walks over and gives him a big kiss. Is that hard? Does any that you can't just bury your souls to each other and let it go that it has to be drug on? Next question. All right. Dave is going to leave.

Okay. Let me back up a little bit. Still staying straight. Do you talk to Luca at all? I have not talked to him. Okay. I made that uh, presupposition. Um, when it, when it happened now onto some a little some more superficial things, when that um, did you have any concerns about being fired, losing your job? Let's move on. Okay. Um, Let's move on. Okay. So this just to follow up on what I said about people saying stuff on the internet, when the PFAA did make that statement and you see number three is to fire you, does the it's the same as all the other stuff but you're a regular dude aren't you like oh shit i'm gonna lose my job how am i gonna pay my mortgage or shit like that or what are these guys doing jihadiing against me or fuck these guys i've done

so much i've dedicated my life to none of that no no none of that you don't build any stories like that no god you're good uh also dave looking hot in the flannel. All right, fine. Who said that? She's 5'10". Blue eyes. Okay. There's no doubt that this thing that is the CrossFit Games, The CrossFit Games, amongst other things, is your baby. It's your Frankenstein. You have brought it up from inception, from a little seed. You've nurtured it. Now people are harvesting fruit from it. I know the team has gotten bigger.

I've seen how you work. You've given, like, starting back to when you started letting Pat Sherwood program for the Masters. I see Heather Lawrence has a tremendous amount of authority At the games, you know chuck tod just all those people Do you ever feel and then now the people who there's people around your frankenstein trying to take it from you Does that irritate you at all? Like when you see like people ask like trying to take it from you? No, not at all. You're not bothered by that. You're like, dude, I fucking made this. Why?

What are you doing? You keep playing. I'm trying to take it from me from us for over a decade. It's again, it's something it's it's it's human nature. It's like when you get to the top of anything or the pinnacle of this, like what we created was the pinnacle and then you just have people trying to bring you down and bring it down and or replace. And no, it's not a surprise. It's not unexpected. It's just like, look at any other community or environment. It's not unique to us either. Look at any other community where there's something who rises as fast as it did, this event, and then people wanting to see it done differently or wanting their own view or expression. Or just want it or think they can do better.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think I can run the NFL better. Yeah, yeah. Yolana, has Dave been visiting affiliates since the games? If yes, what's the love like, uh, in person when he does? Yes, I have. And, uh, really, you know, supportive and strong and that that that's been like, uh, those who've, um, just supported me when I've dropped in or even via email, et cetera, reached out and messaged me.

That means a lot from the affiliates, their members and the community. It's been, it's helped me. I had spies at the master's event and they said that you went there and you were just getting bathed in love that you got a ton of. And then you also told me you're like,

wow, that really helped me. Yeah, the master's thing was surprising. mean that was that was a few weeks after so it was like getting back out and getting out was difficult necessary and part of the process and so that that event was it was good to go there it was good to go to the adaptive travel I've done a number of other trips where I've done drop-ins. I've just been very, um, I have not been posting really on my main account at all about it. Most of that stuff. Um, I haven't even been looking. I, I had Christina for a while and Jenna, they were kind of reposting stuff there. Um, on the TDC account, not the TDC, the TDC. I call that like the TDC. Well, I guess.

The Dave Castro. The big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I fucking don't even look at that thing anymore. Currently. I'll get back to it. But I post on my TDC haunts and even that took a few months before I started ramping up and doing stuff there.

What about the weekend reviews? Can we expect those back soon? It's funny because one of the things I've heard from a lot of people is exactly like, hey, I missed the weekend reviews. When are you going to do them again? I had a lot of messages around that. And yeah, I think so. I think I need to.

I think it'll be good for me. I think I enjoy it. I think the community, some members of the community appreciate it and Yeah, I think this here was like step one Pull boy and julia from julia myself all the love dave. Thank you Um Oh, okay. Oh, we'll get to this in a second. Uh, fuck it. Let's just do it now Uh, sarah palovic this we're jumping ahead and and keep Dave in an emotional state. None of the superficial shit. Uh,

Um, some smarty pants look at her. It's a fucking library glasses on. Uh, what are you reading lately? Dave missing the weekend reviews? Uh, thank you currently i'm reading. Um That's who it is. By the way, you can see all the shit up there reading that's who it is by the way you can see all the shit up there look at my fucking pants Jesus I know that's I'm saying it looks like you just came in I did come from just weed whacking and I did some tree trimming the Iliad by Emily Wilson it's a new edition Emily Wilson also recently I read last year her Odyssey and it's a translation that is Much more user-friendly than like bagels or some of the other translations. So highly recommend

I highly recommend the Iliad and the Odyssey in general Specifically Emily Wilson this author her her her translations because her translations Yep, there it is, are very user friendly. And so definitely it's a clear and brisk, it's iambic pentameter, a zone of enchantment of books. Couldn't have said it better. So yes, highly recommend it. Those stories are amazing. The journeys, the lessons, just everything about them. Around this subject in particular, there have been media that has sided with you being removed from being in charge. Craig Ritchie, Brian Friend, Talking Leaf Fitness has been extremely critical. You being removed from being in charge Craig Richie Brian friend

Talkingly fitness has been extremely critical John Wooley stays, you know, just the the meme guy the bald mean guy just stays on top of you. Do you Do you remember that like is any part of you like taking names and remembering like okay these fuckers like because One of the components when we were media at the games Chris Madigan got up in front of us or Jen I can't remember who and it's like hey guys. There's a huge trust component here Fuck with the trust and you're out And you know that goes from the superficial like if you see an athlete changing obviously don't film it but the other thing is is like You know don't don't be an asshole

Don't don't kick people when they're down. So what's the question? Are you keeping names of that? Like is that gonna affect is that gonna affect you because it's a it's a it's a media frenzy You know, it's always a hot topic in my group and on podcast who gets access and now we're getting ready to go into the game season and all these people are going to want access to the open and the semi finals. But why would they? No, here's why I say that. If they think I shouldn't be running it and I should be removed, why would they associate with it if I am still running it and I'm not removed?

I think to get views for their channel to make money to take from the ecosystem. I think the high road for any of those people is to just detach from it. Hey, I wanted him removed. I don't wanna be associated with, they should not wanna be associated with something that I'm still involved with. And so I question why if you feel that way about me

and something I oversee and run, why you'd want to have access to it or be close to it. Right. And I'm not saying that I've never been critical. No, and I'm not even talking about critical, but I'm talking about specifically the point you made was like having me removed and taking like, you know, not wanting this to be running or involved in it.

this to be to be running or involved in it and so it's like if you're gonna take that stance take that stance through the fucking goal line stay away from it if I'm still here like don't associate with it I don't expect any of them to do that right no cuz they need to use that yeah the views. But if I were to start talking shit about any other sport and its leader and like they should be ousted, then I would probably stop associating with. But I also, I would never do that publicly or I would never do that like on a podcast or when have I ever done anything like that towards an individual or an organization. So it's just different. It's just different mindsets and different mentalities towards and it's it's their it's

their shtick. They're going to run with it. They're prerogative. Yeah. And I don't care. And I don't even care that they say that like good on you. Keep saying it. Say it more.

Say whatever the fuck you want about me It does not matter to me at least there's other people that matter see there's other people I think it even influences and so like hey, whatever you think to some degree. I should care Just because the amount it influences others, but I don't Going back to the reading thing, prior when you had been on, you had said you'd been reading the Bible. Like this maybe two times ago, you said you'd been reading the Bible. And then I asked you last time when you came on what you thought about it and you said

you weren't really ready to talk about it, you're still processing it. And then this happened. And I did notice that those athletes who had been who were hardcore Christians Bible files, you know, they they because there is you know It talks about in the Bible obviously death and afterlife and the importance of where you go I mean even luke parker said hey, I talked to lazar, you know a couple months before he died He stayed with me or something and he said he believes in jesus. So i'm not concerned. He's saved Did it did that help you the fact that you'd'd read the Bible, get through the last six months?

It's definitely part of the story and my own journey and it's part of the narrative, but again, like staying away from it. Fair enough. I'll put that on the 10-year list of questions. We're not gonna be friends in 10 years. I think we've already made it through the hard the couple of hard bumps. Um, okay, uh How long you've been working across it 2006 Five five six, whatever. Yeah five So this is your 20th year, I Don't know five actually is the year

But I came on the end of six and you were if you wouldn't you sure act like you own the place by then Yeah, it's been a while 20 we can call it 20. Okay close to 20 close to 20 Do you ever reflect on the whole you ever like have any moments to like when you're out there weed whacking reflect on the journey from setting up chairs to the change in leadership to the growth to the just all of it? Yes. You do? All the time.

Would you ever write a whole book on it? No. No. No. You know me like I'm not that I'm not that I'm not that guy. I'm not talking telling war stories and putting that stuff out in print and telling my journey and... What about changing the names

and making it into like a mini series like Yellowstone? You know what I mean? Geez, it is a fucking Yellowstone like journey. Wouldn't it be fucking crazy? Yes. Someone else can tell the story one day and it won't paint me in a... Like 10 seasons seasons 12 episodes each

there you go there's your new god project uh all right let me see if there's any other questions right oh geez now it's getting crazy um i i uh reread your book on the 2017 games after lazar's passing uh it solidified my support for you. Stay strong Dave. Thank you Sorry, I should read your name coach sir sir moose Nicole sharp Those cool glasses. Thank you Dave for all you do and have done. I missed the week in reviews What makes you excited about the Community Cup? Oh That was going to be something you said, Oh, were you going there?

No, no, I'm not. Not yet. I'm not. I'm still gonna ask. I want to. I have a lot of questions about this year's games actually, now that we're through all the hardship. I think the community cup, what excites me at the community cup is the fact that basically we have a second stage where everyone can play. And when you look at quarterfinals last year, quarterfinals was a massive success in the amount of people who engaged and registered that weren't the top people. People all the way down to like 25%. And so clearly there was some enthusiasm about going to the next level. The community cup is doing that for everyone.

The community cup, anyone who does the open, everyone from even if you just do the open and are not that good of a cross fitter or not that far along in your journey, you can then advance to the next stage where unlike the open, there will be very distinct levels and you can compete against likeability people. And so if you're a level five or whatever we're going to call it. Who partitions that from your performance in the open percentage base? Yeah. OK, so you have to do the open. You have to finish all three workouts in the open.

OK, I've never done that. And then and then and then you have to and then you have to and then that makes it so you call everyone qualifies for the community cup. But then you're going to take out of your OK. Yeah. And are you too hot? I can turn off the heat. OK. No, I'm fine. And then we're going to program specifically to those levels. So whereas like the open has the RX and then it, it, there's a scale and then there's even one below that. that's specific to the abilities. And so you can compete against people in your cohort. And that's what I'm excited about with it. And so giving people an ability to go to the next stage,

to go to a next stage and continue competing. It's gonna be several weeks later. It's gonna be a number of workouts over a week. So instead of, and it's a different format. So basically you have, with the Open, you have one workout in several days. This is gonna be two or three in several days. Not all at once.

But will there be a baddest dude? It's like, is there a dude who's like the community cup champion? Well, there'll be a community cup ranking for everyone within their levels. And I guess you could say the baddest dude will be the highest level. I mean, but his workouts are going to be different than the lower ones. Right. But if he wins that, that's the guy.

You could say there's those for each level. But you could also say if you're at the very top level, I'm the fittest guy in the community. Yeah. And so like the people going to the top athletes, they could do both. Right. Even for the community cup, there's a level. There's a level for them. So you could try to go to the games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And still for the community cup there's a level there's a level for them so you could try to go to the games yeah yeah yeah exactly because there's a top level there's a top level competition in it okay and you know what I think Andrew brought up a really good point he says love Andrew who Hiller but

he has good points he said basically he's looking he loves the idea but man this like we need something to stick Like this needs to be like like he'll really love the idea when it's been done for five years in a row I fucking agree with him a hundred percent Okay, we need we need to do something and we need to stick with it and we need to see it through He is absolutely right You look at all the things you look at the team series you look at the pair up right. You look at all the things, you look at the team series, you look at the pair up throw down, you look at all the stuff we've done in the past that were great properties, that were great things. There was a number of them that we did

that Greg ended up shutting down. And then there was a few we did later on that we ended up shutting down for various reasons. But please fucking understand all of these things take time to develop And time to get steam and momentum behind them. Hey the open when we created the open it how many people signed up? 200,000 300,000 no 17,000 oh shit really the first year. Oh, wow Yeah, and so the open was like really low the first time and just staying and believing in a concept even if it's not this huge Splash right away. Yeah, absolutely. So Andrew couldn't be more correct with that statement. Okay. Um, uh, Oh, this is a fucking great and hopefully it is the community cup. Hopefully that is a piece of it

Dave will you do the Thai chili oil again? I am out of the Thai chili oil again? Are you out of that? I am out of the Thai chili oil. Um, yeah, eventually. Yep. That's a shame. Yeah. That, that was good. That's why I'm out of it.

Yeah. I have garlic and lemon. Yeah. But, uh, garlic and lemons. Great. Yeah. But the Thai was good. Yeah.

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He was one of them. And like, it means a lot to me if you're a person who reached out to me, like it did not go unnoticed. I appreciate that. Marcus is a very good man. He's doing a very noble thing. I personally, it's not for me, at least where I'm at in my life journey. Everyone who's done it, I know who I know who's been an operator. They talk about like the demons and the things it brings out and like the the how you have to confront them head-on and like I'm good

Don't want to take that journey don't need to take that journey and hey It'll probably it would probably be incredibly beneficial to me, but Not gonna do it. Can you hand me that? Keychain I see it Keychain I made you that you've never used. Oh, oh, it's just the prop. It's a prop. Are you taking it? No, I just want to see it. Oh.

They're available now. I made a new batch recently, different, different leather and with black hardware. So, yeah, I know a lot of people who've done it and they swear by it and it's helped them a lot. I'm really proud of Marcus and amber for what they're doing there and um the work they're putting in and how they're helping vets and specifically, um guys from our line of work But I just like where i'm at. It's not for me. Hey, and you gotta understand like

I'm a dude who's never even fucking smoked pot I'm a dude who's never even fucking smoked pot. Right. You know what I mean? Like I've never done any of that shit. Your square shit. You're a dork. Yeah. And so like the fucking thought of going into psychedelics like terrifies me.

Yeah, I don't blame you. Oh God, this one's fucking weird. Here we go. Dave, would you ever consider an old woman sensual or sexy? Also can we never have guest programmers for main site again? It was blasphemy. I really liked the guest programmers for main site. I thought it was, I thought you were going to say you really like old women. I think that here, let me talk, let me say like doing things differently,

trying new things. Um, doing main site with guest programmers, all was like the type of experiments, the type of things we should try, the type of buzz that was built around it, the excitement, the getting other people to feel like they're able to execute on a task like that with us. I was a big fan.

A lot of people hated it. I acknowledge that. I think it was a big fan a lot of people hated it. I acknowledge that I think it was a really cool thing to do. It was fun to ass pound the shitty programming. I thought I like that We can review Oh CAC CrossFit Athlete Council, what what is so we yesterday we looked at there's a big voting thing going on. God, that's going to be crazy collecting all those ballots. You got all the all the

affiliates can vote all the all the people semi final athletes can vote. What is the that's me sorry. What is the how long have you been doing this? One hour. Okay. What is the purpose of the council, the CAC? Giving the athletes representation across all cohorts. There's not only just the elite athletes in our community. And actually, honestly, the majority of our community is non-elite athletes. And actually having representation and a place for all athletes to have people of their

segment or people of their specific group Representing them a place where all athletes can go and communicate with them and then they have a direct line to us I mean even this week I'll tell you a great example of Like what we will use them for this week We had a great call with a handful of athletes to talk about our rules for next year around judging for the in-affiliate semifinals. And great discussion, bounce off the ideas with,

you wanna know the athletes? I would love to. I would love to. So it was, let me think, it was Paige Powers. Oh love her Colton I love him Saxon love him Dallin oh, what did you say? Villanar Dallin pepper? Oh, oh Dallin down and I'm drawing a blank on Colton Colton I love Dallin Page Dallin Colton. No, that was it. Yeah. There was one more you said.

Oh, Saxon. Saxon, Dallin, Colton. I invited Brooke. She couldn't make it. I invited her last minute. Brooke Wells? Yep. I also invited Danielle.

Brandon? Mm-hmm. But it was same thing. It was last minute invite. It was like 30, 40 minutes before the call. And so we had this call with these athletes, walked them through what we're planning on doing, got feedback from them, listened to them, heard what their concerns were. And then actually, a couple days later, Dallin followed up and said, Hey, so what do you think about this one concern? I followed up with Boz again, we talked through

the concern. How does Dallin follow up with you? Email. Oh, hey, and Paige got fucking destroyed last year. So she's a good one to have exactly yeah yeah destroyed yeah and so uh and she's a games caliber athlete so that's stoned wasn't like she was it wasn't like it was bill lehy so then we talked we circled up again talked about their suggestions and yeah made some made some changes and so you did some advice Made some changes. And so you did some advice. Yes. So they talk to go all the way back to your first like. Allen's great, too, because he's been around since the division. Now he's a fucking Hulk.

Oh, he was great on the call. They were all great. But like Dallin and Saxon were just like dialed in on just like they were. What the fuck's that? Oh, it's an amber alert what do we got going child abduction thank you Erica Dak oh she's unrelated to the child she placed it she placed an order already well look at that TDC mercantile TDC mercantile so that was earlier this week and so like that was with just a group of athletes,

but that's the type of thing we will a hundred percent leverage the CrossFit Athlete Council for. I have, I personally, when I think of the CrossFit Athlete Council, I think of it as just bullshit. Like, like not as much bullshit as I think of the PFAA. I mean, they're just proven bullshit to me. But like I do think of the like it's just like, I like the DEI councils. I just think it's like a barrier to protect you. So if there is criticism, you think, well, we did talk to these guys, you know what I mean? I don't think it's bullshit,

because I do think for a large number of any of these athletes, the best or mid-level or any group, some of them feel intimidated to come to us with something. Right or wrong? Right or wrong? Right. And so like, if they feel like they have a layer or a group of people that they can go talk to that they know will bring to us that,

no, I don't think it's bullshit at all. And actually years ago, we had similar things. The big difference is... Yeah, but they feel comfortable going to them. But are those people going to get access to you? So like I told you... But let me just say this. The ones we had before, the big difference between the councils we had before and the ones we have now, we picked people and put them in those previous councils. This one, we're not picking the people. They're getting voted in.

So, that's one big difference. And then, but anyway, so even though it was back then, we utilized the same function. We'd have regular calls with them, bounce ideas off, share concepts, and, you know, what do you guys think of it? And the thing is, again, like, hey, The elite side of our sport and the elite side of what we run Is like one fourth of it not one fourth That's unfair is one vertical of it because there's also we have the age groupers. We have the teams we have the adaptives We have a lot of different things and we have just the every man in the open

So will you tell them the limits of what you want to hear from them? By that I mean, there's people on Amazon who in the review will be like the package came damaged to me. And like, I think all those people should be put in a spaceship and shot to Pluto. Like I'm not coming to the review to find out if your package came damaged to you.

I don't give a fuck. I'm trying to figure out if it's a good can opener or not. Do you know what I mean? I don't want to see a one star because the squirt gun came a day late. I don't care. I want to know if it shoots the actual 20 feet. And so what if you get people like, are you going to give them a scope like, Hey dude, we don't give a fuck about the colors you want to be dressed in. We don't care if you want to think how well that's going to go over. Well, I just mean, no, of course not. No, I just feel like if you don't keep them in their lane, like, hey,

what we care about from you are safety concerns. We don't give a fuck if you want more of that. Oh, I said I can say that's this is not just about safety This is about like Everything related to the competition. It's not just safety related So that's one piece of it, but it's gonna be a very useful and valuable tool for us and for the community and for the athletes I think it'll I very 100% think it'll be a value add. I'm a Joe Blow athlete. Hi Dave. I've been elected to the council. I'm a Pisces and I

don't think the game should be in August because my Pisces sign crosses with a Sagittarius in that month and that I'm more likely to get injured because of inflammation when Sagittarius is in Pisces. Thank you for sharing that with us, but we're not gonna be able to move the dates of the game because of that concern. Cause it's like that out there. I know, but when you, I know it's been a while since you've been on Instagram,

but when you go out there, okay. We're gonna have a handful of people on this. And you know what? Those athletes who are on the council, I hope or imagine will sift the other things that come up that are like that before they get it to us. Okay. Okay.

Fair. Hey, okay. Cool. All right. I like that. But man, you wait to get back. I know you've had a six month hiatus or whatever from Instagram, but wait till you get back on it is a.

You need to know this about me though. Even when I'm on, I am really good at not like diving in. Right. You know what I mean? Like as soon as I see comments, if it's not not like diving in right you know what I mean like as soon as I see comments if it's not a pig being shot you don't give a shit the comment on mine is going south and I see that I'll block the fucker and then I'll stay off of it okay as soon as the comments going what was south like oh south yeah yeah all right review. Oh, where will the games be held? I've heard it's gonna be in Albany, New York there's a number of locations to include Albany that we've looked at and when we're ready to

Tell the world where and when you'll be the first to know it's been oh I will be you'll be You didn't even flinch at all. Can you tell me other locations? Well no, because the fact that that one leaked, that fact that the others have not leaked, I'm going to keep that privilege. If I would have come at you differently, so what are some ideas? Could I have gotten that? No.

Oh, okay. Dave, will you be sending Hiller his medal for winning the 2021 online games? What was that that was from pup there was some event he I know it was the virtual games yes That's funny i'll send him some olive oil he was actually he's like Legitimately the first person to buy my olive oil. He was actually he's like legitimately the first person to buy my olive oil. Oh, at street parking the first time I sold it really was at a street parking event and he was the first person in line to buy. Oh yeah one of those bottles. Yeah this bottle. Yeah maybe not that bottle. Is it that bottle? I mean it wasn't this one. Yeah it it's that edition. What is this edition? Yeah

I think I saw you spitting his Yeah, I remember that that was cool that was the first time you met hilla, right Yeah, I like the guy. Yeah, he's a good dude. I like him too. We have a new youtube channel What about it's called the binge bros? We do bands bro. Yeah, we just watch tv We watched we watch shows on tv and review like some Silicon Valley tech door? Yeah, the Binge Bros. Okay, so can you tell me is there a location decided already for the games? I'm telling you we're taking a look at everything right now and getting ready to announce when we're able to.

I text you and Heather Lawrence over a month ago and I said, hey, I'd like to get a set, qualify semi-final athletes through an event. And I got a response that said, get in line. Yeah. I mean, yeah. But I never, but that was it. And now they've all been announced.

You were in the back of the line. There was a lot of, Was there any chance of me getting it? There was a lot of... No, there was a lot of... How come only one affiliate got it? There was a lot of interest. How come only Mayhem got it? How cool is it that an affiliate got... Okay, yeah. Congratulations. I mean, like, that's pretty bad. The whole concept of the season in general is just kind of taking it back. Did any other affiliates ask? No. Not a single affiliate? No, but I don't think they like quite under like at the phase It was it was like just really events were leaning in

Do you know what I mean? Like at the phase of the concept? I don't think affiliates really realized That they could have applied that they could have yeah, I realized I couldn't I realized I couldn't realize they couldn't Yeah, and I hope they do I think it's incredible It's amazing that like we're taking this back to the community and what I mean by that is like you have the open It's born of the community. It's born in the affiliates Then the next stage you have to do an affiliate if you want to do the in affiliate semifinal You have to do an affiliate if you want to do the in affiliate semifinal So you can qualify you can punch a ticket through through doing the that event in the in affiliate

then when if you do want to do an in-person semifinal there are these bigger events and There's even rich fronings event in an affiliate in CrossFit mayhem. How fucking cool is that? It's super cool to me at least I get excited like the more we can bring in the heart and soul of CrossFit, fundamentally the affiliate base, the affiliates and get them involved and excited about all of this, like that excites me. And so like the fact that they're so tied to this in terms of, and it's as much as they want to engage. Meaning the affiliates don't have to run

in affiliate semi-finals. Like obviously they could tell athletes, no I don't want you doing it here. They can go down the street to a different one. But as much as they want to get involved, they can get involved. Do they do their own programming? Yeah all these events program them on their own. Can you tell me what the buy-in was? How much it cost to run? Like how much it costs to run like how much you have to pay CrossFit to get that? No. Okay. But not a lot.

I was willing to pay $50,000. Heather, let's get a seven. Dude, I had this great idea next year. I'm so in next year. God, I had this great idea. I mean, I mean, I think this model is incredibly, we've been working really hard behind the scenes on this for the last several months, in terms of all pieces to it.

Like our product team, our tech team, like the modifications of all of this, our marketing and media team, like so many people in CrossFit have been working, obviously our sport team, on all of this for this next season. And so... All of the stakeholders are involved. It was a fabulous collaboration with all the stakeholders.

Thank you. You can say it better than I do. And let me say this. Yeah, it's just, it's gonna be, it's gonna be an exciting, it's gonna be an exciting layout format. All right, it better be. Do you know that I have 200 affiliate commercials? I have not seen one.

My experience was, I told her, you build one in Portland and I'll start. Coming from a bad back, not really able to move, doctor said, medication probably until you can't take it then we'll do surgery. So that was kind of what motivated me to get into it. So a year into CrossFit, probably one of the best shape of my life, I was diagnosed with cancer.

We got through it. You push through these things that I always joked. I was like, okay, here we go through, what was it, 35 rounds of radiation, three rounds of chemo. I said, here we go, three, two, one, go. It's like a workout. Let's get through it, you know. There's no doubt.

I've been in oncology, radiation oncology for over 30 years. With what he was up against. There's no doubt in my mind if it wouldn't have been for CrossFit and the way he was, we built him up and how strong he was, he wouldn't be here today. They paid for it all. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that's crazy, right?

Yeah. They they paid for it all. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that's crazy, right? Yeah They put up like ten or twelve thousand dollars Wow, maybe a little more that I pocketed And I thought you're going to give me a water. I am I'm calling the waitress. Okay Yeah, and and we did affiliate a video contest. It's cool. That is cool. Yeah, it's a beautiful video, right? Congrats. Yeah, thanks There's there's there's so many I don't even I mean I mean don't tell anyone but the the choosing the winner was kind of

Choosing the winner is kind of bullshit. I mean because uh, hey, hi, uh, can you bring uh, mr castro sparkling water? Um, we don't have cans of sparkling water. I have a bottle. It's a big bottle. Can you pour it into some? I'll pour in a cup. Just take some. Would you like ice? Or a Fidate?

No, I'll take some flat water. Would you like some ice? No, thank you. No, just some flat water and a clean, a clean glass, please. Clean glass. Okay. I was going to give him a dirty glass. And then I'll take a refresh on my coffee. Okay.

Thank you. Was that like, did everyone hear her? Yeah. Oh man. It's good shit, right? Yeah, that's funny. Okay. Yeah, it's like a real operation here, except for that one little hiccup we had in the beginning

where you almost left. What is your max bench right now? Do you think you could beat me in benching right now? Yes. Okay. Can you put up 200? Yes. Okay.

Where were the games? Oh, let's go back to semifinals real quick. Okay. So the locations have been chosen and the boys were, I don't even know if I'm going to be able to explain this, but the boys were bringing up the fact that the semifinals have a schedule. There's an open and then you can go to the semifinals to qualify for the games, these seven or eight locations around the planet, or you can go through this online qualifier, which you were saying you met with Dallin and the gang and Page Powers and the gang

about, but they were saying that the semifals event that happens inside of affiliates, that happens after two of the live events have already occurred and the third event will have occurred before the video reviews are in. So what if you qualify through a semi-final, one of these seven sanctional events and inside an affiliate who gets how does that happen what happens to that person who did you take the third place at the event or do you take here we go okay so was I able to explain that well and it's a fucking cluster it is a cluster okay here's what happens if you

go to mayhem for example yeah and you qualify for mayhem yeah and then you do the in affiliate semifinal yeah basically our online one yeah and you qualify there yeah that's after this we take the next person down there we don't mess with these results we take the next person down there so you qualify for this one the here it goes down because it was the last one yes that here it goes down. Because it was the last one? Yes. And here's where that plays in. Flip-flop it. Now we have the in-affiliate event here. And then we have an in-person.

You qualify here at the in-affiliate semifinal. Then you go to an in-person semifinal. Same thing. We take the next one down there. So it's always the last one okay um let me ask you the really fucking hard question there's there's like you said you're gonna ask all you already asked all this well this one this is hard too there's what is that a knife let me see oh you shouldn't have that's not what are you doing um i just have little things I play with back here. There's There's cut myself. Yeah. Yeah, don't put your hand in front of it. You can't stop that blade

So there's school. I'll give you one get this isn't even California legal. No, I'll give you one guess who bought that for me By me one What are we going to see? When are we seeing him? We were having breakfast on the morning. Twenty seven. Yeah. The twenty six to the twenty seventh.

One of those days. Fine here. Twenty six. Right. Yeah. OK. Well, we should do dinner and breakfast. We should do dinner on the twenty six and breakfast on twenty seven.

Anything that's free, we should try to go somewhere new. How about that? How about you suggest to Greg? How about no, I like, I like, I'm like him. I'm like, I like the ritual. You know, that really disappointed me when I saw that, um, you, there was Topo Chico on a plastic bottle. The first time I ever saw that was at your house at the ranch. Yeah. Why? I just, cause I think of it as of it as a classier glass bottle drink. I don't think that's how you're supposed to hand that to me.

Okay, so 16 people are going to qualify through semi-finals and then 14 through affiliates, but those affiliates have to be approved by videos. Affiliates but those affiliates have to be approved by videos so Yeah, no, so it's modified we haven't put all the details out yet. This is the kind of concept we were talking It's not gonna look like last year. Let's just say that because I'm basically yours. You're basically thanks, babe Oh, thanks. You're basically you're basically setting yourself up for failure. You're the best, babe. Thank you Okay, I won't bother you failure. You're the best, babe. Thank you. Okay, I won't bother you again. You're basically setting yourself up for failure

because think about it, if you take the top 1% and so that's 2000 people, and let's say there's gonna be a bottleneck at the top, right, because there's only 14 people getting in. And so it's gonna be this online judging again, these video reviews that end up deciding, you know what I mean? I feel like you guys are setting yourself up for failure. Like there's no way around it. You're going to, people are going to get penalized and shit. Like there's just no way

around it. It's going to be a different method. It's going to be, it's not going to be like quarter finals was last year. It's a different procedure. It's a different process. And I don't think it'll have those same issues that you're describing. It won't have the same issues that we had last year. It should not. Let's just say this. It should not. Okay. I want you to know I personally don't care. Okay. But I just don't. I just hate to see all the people. It just gives the people who do care. And like obviously like you should be one of the people who cares I guess but 14 is crazy. It is. It is. I mean yeah it's crazy. Are the games gonna be better?

But of the 14 how many of those let me say not 14 of the thousand to use your example yeah how many of those really are even in contention? You know what I mean? 100 Like serious contention like bottlenecking at the top Don't you think 200? I don't think it's that high you don't know um because the fields the fields much Smaller then the quarterfinals you had the thousands of people involved. It's still going to be thousands, two or three thousand. I don't think it'll be that many.

Okay. Um, what about, um, so, so what about the games? It's all I think you guys have announced. It's only 30 women and 30 men, 10 less. Yeah. I suspect that's going to make the game significantly better. I do too. That's why we're doing it.

All right. All right. I suspect that's gonna make the game significantly better. I do too. That's why we're doing it. All right. All right. Cool. Are you going- Super like concentrated, focused, like smaller field storytelling, execution, so many things, so many pieces that go into it, like with the smaller field,

everything could just be so much Like with the smaller field, everything could just be so much executed in such a higher fashion. It just is to a higher degree. It's just easier to manage, easier to wrangle, better show, better timing throughout the day, better schedule. Hey, at CrossFit Crash this year, that's Jarrah Howell's event. I think there were 20 men and 20 women. And we were on the floor there and we streamed the whole thing.

It was the best stream we've ever done. Shitloads of views. It was great. Everyone loved it. The thing is, is that so many athletes get attention when the field is small. Yeah, I mean, doesn't Rogue only do 20? So many. Uh, yeah, Rogue does 20. What do you think of- Smaller fields are a benefit to the sport. What do you think a crash after every event,

we would actually pull the athletes aside and interview them. What about letting my team set up a live stream at the event? And so afterwards we just like, you know, they do the live thing for ESPN, but you let us just like interview them for like 15. Done.

All right, thank you. Good. All right. That right. Thank you. Good. All right That was easy swimming events What this year's games? Great question, but as you saw in some of our statements for the time being open water swimming is paused That doesn't mean there Couldn't be a pool swim. That doesn't mean there will be a pool swim either. Okay, but it's not off the table a pool swim. Correct. But swimming in around Santa Monica Pier is? Correct. That'd be an open water swim. Okay.

Biking. What's that pistol? Oh, it's just nothing. Let me see it. Is it real? What about biking events? What about him like I just think that I don't I think that they've been a fail I think they're too dangerous I think that there's a risk. I think that they're like it's too crazy there's too many things that could happen, you know, be what happened with Lazar and Luke Parker and Justin Maderas and Just the skill level that it takes to not get injured. I mean I could I Could see an event that's like a hill sprint one guy at a time or something like a time trial Is that what those are called? Well, no, but like

There's time trials that are on flat But there's also time trials that are in Hills. So yeah, I see what you're saying. I hear you. Yeah, all great points, all valid points. So you're saying there could be bike events. I think for the reasons you stated, probably safe to assume no, but maybe.

Okay. Okay. 2024 games doc. So I had the guy who made the 2023 Games Doc on here, David Chek. What did you think of the doc? I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I thought it was fucking awesome.

I was glad I saw it. And to be honest with you, I wouldn't have watched it if I wasn't having David Chek on. But when I watched it, I was like stoked. I didn't get it once. My whole family, with five minutes in, my whole family came. It was dope I asked him if there's gonna be two twenty two thousand twenty four doc and you know he got all squirrely right because he's like looking for the right answer not the Whatever the other the honest answer

Any chance it could come out? No, no But there was a team there filming. Mm-hmm. Did they keep filming? Yeah But there was a team there filming. Did they keep filming? Yeah. There have been some pretty hardcore 3430s. Like more hard like, okay, alright. This is a loaded question. Like more hard like okay. All right. All right This is a loaded question I this is this is a loaded question this one's a loaded question um, why would why did the grid league fail in your in your estimation

Throughout the history of the games and our kind of Arc of development and where we're at. Oh, sorry. Sorry one thing. I know the gridleaks still around I don't mean an insult to what's out there. Congratulations to the people out there who are still doing it. It's awesome I support it. I think it's cool. It's fun to talk about I hope John Young makes it but I just mean in the iteration the grand iteration that Tony Bunning and Crew were trying to do that That's the iteration I mean. I didn't mean to like say like it's dead, dead, but go on. Sorry.

Go ahead. There's always been this tension and desire for it to be further along than it is the property for it to be bigger than it is for it to be something it's not. And at that time you see so much potential and you think you see what we're doing, and you think, Oh, well, we can do that. There's room in the community for another one, or there's space for a series like they tried doing, like the Grid League tried doing. And the timing, the maturation of the sport, call it, of the community, of the audience, just wasn't there. And like the tension of trying to do more too soon or when it's not ready has constantly been this struggle and pull within the timeframe that the games have been around. People see what we're

doing and think it could be so much bigger and think you'd have so many more trust me Hey, if this if the games and the whole thing Was printing fucking money. There would be three games You'd have a summer games. We've had a winter games then we'd have a fucking Midwinter games and we'd have three opens and we'd have like a touring series, it's not that. And people can't comprehend or don't understand that and want to see it be further along than at times it's ready for. And so at that point it wasn't ready. There wasn't,

there wasn't the, it wasn't in the place to do something like that. There might be a time in the future for something that I would love for there to be a point in our future where we do have a winter games and a summer games. And maybe there's a series of events that people qualify through, but you look at our Southern California regional this year or semi-final you were there. Yeah. How'd it look? I can't give you an honest perspective because i was so happy to be back in Carson i fucking absolutely it was empty it was empty it was empty how many of these other events are empty there seems like everything in north america is empty and so my point is like if those things were thriving in every single event, like, yeah, then you can think of what's next, where to layer.

But well, not every event, the games was jam packed. Yeah, so you know, the game is jam packed. So like, not every game tension like you have the and some of the international events are. Yeah, and international striving. Yeah. But so you have the games and like, for now, that's like and and rogue does well too, right? But like there's a limit to how many more of those there can be and so grid league was trying to do that the original one I don't think rogue was doing well when it was in the United States. They killed in Scotland, but I think

Yeah, and everyone sees that they killed and everyone saw that it was a great job and everyone sees us But they don't have an understanding of what it takes to put that on. Or how much it cost Bill and Katie or CrossFit HQ. Exactly. And so you just see it and you just assume we're printing, printing cash hand over fist and that's not the case. And it's really never been the case for the games and the entirety of the season. They all kind of feed each other

and they all kind of help make it that spectacle at the games what it is. Remember when we used to have the Invitational? That was super cool, same sort of thing. Remember we had to get rid of that because it was just like a loss leader. The are actually are Invitational, not the rogue Invitational, the Team USA versus Team World.

Like we did a lot of shit, we did a lot of cool stuff and we're experimenting, we're doing more, but that's just the tension. There's only so much that, and you know what that is not true for at all? I'll tell you what that's not true for, what that's not true for at all, is community competitions.

Those things are everywhere. Not broadcasted, not in a stadium, not like what Blair and Ben are doing. That sort of stuff is fucking, there's those not like to their degree. But there's small community events and affiliates everywhere, all the time. And there's room for stuff like that, clearly. And you know, I don't want to speak at a turn for Dylan and Blair Morrison I'm Ben Alderman but the reason why water pollutes in NorCal Classic and my Estimation are so successful is because they accommodate a thousand athletes exactly

And so exactly athlete comes with four people and now you have five thousand people there and there's a compromise to that, right? Right? and also I imagine the, Ben and Blair's, their expectation of streaming or broadcasts is way less than ours. Our expect, our, and you know what, like, it's funny, I was thinking about this the other day. I'm gonna tell you that we're gonna kill it this year.

Are you guys broadcasting? Yeah, we're gonna do it. It's gonna be amazing. I believe that. But the expectation is lower, but it's gonna have a certain charm to it. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah, that's gonna be amazing. is lower, but it's going to have a certain charm to it. Yeah, that's going to be amazing.

Um, sometimes I wonder if going to Carson was a mistake. Oh, sometimes I wonder if Greg was right all along and shouldn't have gone there so quickly. Shouldn't have gone to a stadium. Should have kept it grassroots. Should have kept it not at the ranch. Cause we basically got kicked out by the county county, but like, should

have kept it like that for a few more years longer and just even when I talk about this like this rush to be more I was victim of that and part of that by moving it to Carson and and and all that came with it. But you knew that it was always presenting bigger than it really was. Yeah, for sure. Because of 4K cameras, packed stadiums, beautiful bodies, strong community, that it was presenting to the world. Yeah, that could be a whole show. Basically it grew faster than it really should have.

Yeah, and the expectations of people around that. Yeah. It's still, it's still going on. People expect more of us, more of it, more, more, more. What do you think the CrossFit Games is for? There was this, I want to show you a clip in a second that Carolyn Lambbray, I think she's a level four trainer. I think she's Jeff Adler's coach.

She's been around forever, but she said something the other day that kind of just shocked me, knocked me back on my heels. But one of the questions she was asking is what is CrossFit Games for? It's the culmination of this magnificent community event that starts at the open and culminates with this amazing validation and expression of our fitness methodology. And basically that we crown the fittest on earth and that we have a methodology that Greg created that has a definition with measurable outcomes. Of course, you're going to have a test for that.

It is the test of that at the highest level that validates everything to go back to the beginning, that the community, that the affiliates are doing. It is the ultimate brand expression, brand tool for the affiliates. Uh, let me see if I can repeat what you said. So it is, I should definitely, right. Um, refine that or that concept because that's nothing that that is nothing formal that is just me okay but I think it's pretty good uh validation and expression of the methodology at the highest level based on what the community's hard work has

done so the the community's toiling all year making of the community event of the open Toiling all year making a nation of the community event of the open and the final point of it that where what started with this online competition and At the CrossFit Games with the the people who started with 400,000 and with 30 competing Okay, and let me ask you to clarify when you say community is that a synonym for affiliates? Yeah, absolutely since it could be so I could take out the word community and just put in affiliates and you wouldn't upset. OK, so OK, I really I really like that. And by the way, that's what I thought it was, too. That's what but but you know, there's people who don't think it's that. Yeah, OK, I want to play this clip here.

Are you in an airport, Caleb? All right, you are in airport Caleb. Caleb is just on the back end in case I need any help like if you like If you were to strike me, he yes see beaver would just come in and fuck you up. See beaver. Yeah Okay, this is on the coffee pods and wads podcast You know Karen Carolyn's extremely knowledgeable been around a long time Uh, you know, it, Carolyn, Carolyn's extremely knowledgeable, been around a long time, uh, proven in a lot of ways, worked at affiliates. I think she owns an affiliate.

They do. I'm a good friend. I like Carolyn a lot and Jeff. Okay. So, so listen, listen to this. Uh, you may have to listen to it twice to catch it. What's going on. And I do really, it's not out of context, but it is a little

unfair just to show you this clip. So I will say that. Organize so that the people who are trying to make a living out of context, but it is a little unfair just to show you this clip. So I will say that. Organize so that the people who are trying to make a living out of this don't get the short end of the stick. And I don't think that like I read comments on Instagram, it's like, oh, what have the CrossFit Games athlete done for the affiliates and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh, that's why the open like it has to be more affiliate friendly and stuff. And it's like, okay, but as an affiliate, what have you done for the CrossFit Games athletes like?

Shouldn't it be like a two-way street? like if you're asking for things like organized so that the people who are trying let me play to let me play to you one more Time and listen to this first part because it's she says it very quick But it's really important here to make a living out of this from there's people trying to make a living out of this Organized so that the people who are trying to make a living out of this don't get the short end of the stick. The people who are trying to make a living out of this in my mind is all the, I never think about the athletes.

Maybe that's my shortcoming. I just think about the affiliates and then that the affiliates are trying to make a living out of this in my mind is all the, I never think about the athletes. Maybe that's my shortcoming. I just think about the affiliates and then that the affiliates are the roots and the trees and then all, and then the fruit that falls to the ground. Fuck it. Athletes come sell your shit. Let us admire your bodies. Let us love on you. But then she asks, what should the affiliates do?

What do the affiliates do for the athletes? And I'm just like, holy fuck. And she says it with this intonation, like they should be doing something for them. I mean, you know, as well as anyone else from your time with us at CrossFit, this whole thing, even CrossFit does not exist without the affiliates and specifically the games, it is a growth, it is born out of what happens in the affiliates and the amount of people who rally behind and do the open in the beginning. And so like the notion that it's all at all not completely based from that cohort of individuals is is misguided. And I'll say this about what Carolyn said there, I would love to understand.

I'm not going to, I would love to pull that apart more with her. Like I'm not going to just take it on face value what I'm seeing there. Like I think, you know, that, especially that clip, I'd love to see more of it. I'm not going to criticize her for saying that I am going to say though, I am going to say that about the, um, the affiliates are the lifeblood of CrossFit and specifically they are what's allowed the games to happen and they are the people who make all stages valuable to the games and they are what like sponsors see value in too. You know what I mean?

Because the affiliates are the customers for the fucking rad shoes or the rogue product and you know, so like the affiliates are the Foundation of this pyramid and at the top of it is that event and if you pull the affiliates out that event doesn't happen as as structured now And and and that's why I think so many of us are so happy that You have you this year to go to the games if you don't you have to go to an affiliate to do any of those semi finals. Yeah, it's super cool. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. Crazy. I mean, it's just it's just the reframing of the whole value and the whole notion of what the affiliates play in this and how they're a central part of it and giving them the credit and giving them the the branding of like the in-person or in affiliate semi-finals and just like letting them play a part in the journey letting

them play a part in that ultimate journey to get to the CrossFit Games. And even the affiliate cup we kind of changed it like you can only see well Jim can only send one team now so mayhem can't send three teams, Invictus can't send three. You mean to wherever the games are? Any chance the games will go to Europe anytime soon? That's part of the vision for sure. That's part of my vision at least. I'll say my personal dream for the games is 21, the 21st year of the games in Europe or overseas, probably Europe. I don't know though, here's the reality though, like I don't know if we can do that because like, again, this shit is not fucking cheap or easy to run. And who knows how the performance of all aspects of it are gonna do in the next year.

I think it's gonna be strong, but like also don't know. Yeah, you never know. Yeah, so I would love for the games in the 21st year of the games to go to Europe and that's been a plan I've had for a number of years, but don't know if that's going to be possible. Oh, what if, what about something just crazy here? I have better questions than this, but let me just throw one crazy one out there. What about every year do a year, uh, two championships, North American, European, let the South Americans come up to ours, Africans go to European and then every four years just do the games.

Yeah. I mean, there's so many fucking ways to slice this thing Okay, I don't even want to play that game. Okay, Dillow some say CrossFit is dying or growing or still has potential What's the one thing athlete affiliate owners can do to help grow strength in the CrossFit community? Keep up the good work. We'd love to meet you when you too are mayhem. Thanks, dude. Thank you What are important roles that people can play to help the support each other, man? And this is what I tell affiliates when I go out and visit them. Support each other on a micro level, support each other on a macro level.

Hey, this community needs to come together and work together. All the, there's division and there's, call it fighting that go on in neighborhoods or neighborhoods or cities or towns where different affiliates are in the same area and they don't like each other, a stronger affiliate base. And there's also places where they work well together. But the more affiliates can come together and support each other, and that's on the ground level, but take it a level higher. And throughout the community, the more we as a community can support each other

and support what other people and other affiliates are doing, the better off we all are. The better off the affiliate base is, the community is. We need, we're strong. Here's a cheesy line, but we're stronger. We really are stronger together. Yeah, which is interesting because it's been obviously been a really hard year, divisive year on so many levels, and you know, people's personal lives on the political stage, or what happened at the games. So going back, so you talked about why, why grid league,

when it had those grandiose visions that it just, it didn't have the, and then we talked about the value of the affiliates. So they didn't, they don't have just it didn't have the and then we talked about the value of the affiliates So they didn't they don't have they didn't have affiliates behind them. They were just trying to be their own thing Yeah, I mean that's a great so even at that period that grid was around we were killing it with affiliates 13 14 15,000 affiliates Yeah, and that aspect was bigger than ever. But guess what grid league had no involvement for them in it. No like and Involvement for them in it. No like, and involvement for them in it would have been very artificial or contrived. So yeah, I mean, the affiliates really are the heart

and blood of CrossFit, the heart and blood of the CrossFit Games, the heart and blood of so much of this. So obviously Rogue's its own creature. It can throw this massive event and they can handle that, right? They are, you know, Rogue is its own creature. It can throw this massive event and they can handle that, right? They are, you know, Rogue. But there's this new organization forming.

There are a lot of high level athletes. I think Chandler Smith just signed up to it. I think Will Morad is running it and it's called the World Fitness Invitational, World Fitness Project. Any advice for those people Advice yeah, what advice would you give to them? Like hey, you're gonna like it's supposedly the number is they have like a 15 thousand 15 million dollar like nest egg that they're like going to

You know, oh, maybe they got did they get Gazan to they signed Alex Gazan and Chandler Smith. I don't know what they're doing They're doing a season. Yeah, yeah. No, like four or five. Let me talk this out. I don't know what they're doing. I would have to really understand what their model is and what they're trying to accomplish before I could give advice. And so, no, I don't have any advice for them because I don't know what they're doing.

OK, based on Grid League, my advice to them would be be very careful which venues you choose and how much you spend on media. Yeah, I mean, that's good advice. All right. All right. Dave. Yes. This is from Better Boobs.

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Someone just text me and said Dave almost started crying. I mean not just now but earlier not not from the gun uh, uh, eatin beaver. Um, uh It's great names in the chat, right eatin beaver As long as there's the woke mob dave never take the games out of the u.s I'm not sure what the relationship is there. Um tell max magnus holmgren. Uh, tell dave He has the best logo ever only thing would be to have the big nose behind it. Oh. That's a really good point. Oh, I want to talk about level four.

So two things. I was mentioning, so my buddy Taylor Self, who also applied to be on the CrossFit Athlete Council. By the way, everyone should vote for Taylor and Saxon and Colton He he's gonna take his level four and he's been and he's been taking some training on to pass the level four and He's been working with someone on your team. I had called you and told you I was like, hey, you're never gonna believe this some guy on your team from Bali Is working with Taylor.

And so Taylor had him on the show and interviewed him. And then I guess Taylor is working using the resources that you guys have. Is it called the mentorship program? Yep. Okay. So someone can just call it the mentorship program. It's the mentorship program.

It's not called level four mentorship. Nope. Just mentorship program. Correct. And there's mentorship for all sorts of shit. Yeah. So like you can pick like if you're, if you've been to a level one and you just want some advice on how to start training someone or how to create an on-ramp, you could sign up for, there's like three sessions or five sessions. I think we even have a one session option

and it's all on the online courses page. So you go to what where our online courses that page is and there's a section to sign up for this mentorship stuff. And so from there, you basically get to choose what topic you need or you would like mentorship on. We have a number of trainers that we assigned to this and they're all highly qualified and it's basically customizable to what you would like to work on or learn. It seems to be currently really popular or more popular, let me say, amongst level two and above, but it's like totally appropriate for level ones and above. Or there's even like business experts in there.

Yeah. I mean, if you want to get mentorship in that realm, yes, you just, you let them know and. There's like 40 people in there. Like I saw Hollis Moyes in there. Okay. So here's the thing. So So so he's taking that and he's blown away by it and he's like, hey, I want to make we're gonna make Do live podcasts where they watch taylor training and this guy tears taylor apart and taylor thinks he's like the greatest trainer ever So that's why he's like he's so excited that this guy's tearing a manure I mean these guys that our team's really good. You're talking about mccoy. Yeah. Yeah mccoy Yeah, and so yeah, these guys are they're so Talented and they have so many reps and they're so experienced at training

and to be on our team, you clearly have to be. And so it's a really good program. It's one of those programs that's brand new. And so it's just getting its legs. And so hopefully affiliates and trainers will start to see it as a valuable resource to increase their ability as trainers In the field

The thing is this Are there can anyone even take the level for anymore? Because I was chatting with someone about the other day and they're like hey you can't even get the level for anymore because there's no evaluations available It's on pause for right now. We're reassessing the model and what it's going to look like. Is it, I mean, I don't want to say it's Taylor wasting his time because he's becoming a better trainer, but he wants to get his level four. There will be a path to get your level four.

Okay. Is there a time on that? Not that I'm ready to state now. Okay. Uh, 2025? Yeah. Okay. And in, in you, you promised there'll be one?

I want to promise. I want to promise that there wouldn't be one. I mean, this guy, Taylor's been talking about wanting his level four forever. Yeah, I think it'll be ready in 24, 25. Okay. Jesus Christ. Sorry, Taylor. I didn't go the way I wanted it to. Um, uh, crowds in Europe, world fitness project games. I think I'm done. Uh, we talked about you.

I asked you, uh, small talk to you about what you're reading and your workouts. Yeah. We talked about that. So it's some, just some fluff shit I hadn't here. I got a busy January. Oh, what are you doing? January 4th. I'm going down to, uh, Temecula.

I'm going to go to, you want to go shooting competition? No, I'm going to go see, uh, John Lavelle. He's moving his gym into a new location. CrossFit overload. No shit. Yeah. Let's go. I would love to, Oh, let's go down gym into a new location, CrossFit Overload. No shit. Yeah, let's go. I would love to.

Oh, let's get Greg to let's go down with Greg. Oh, that would be awesome. Oh, dude, that would be awesome. Oh, so what are you going? Are you going down there with like video creators to show it or just as a are you riding your motorcycle down there? No, I'm not going to ride. I'm gonna fly.

I'll fly down there and then I'll fly back the same evening because then the next week I have to go to Nashville. I'll be there for meetings throughout the week. What's in Nashville? We have some meetings, CrossFit team. And it has nothing to do with like anything you're doing with Tia or Rich or okay. But I'll, I've carved out a day to go see Rich.

So I'll probably, I'm going to go in a day early. I'll head up to Nashville and, or I'm sorry, mayhem. And you're close with Tia too. You'll see Tia, right? Yeah. I'll stop in and see her. And, um, so I'll see them while I'm there. Then I come back from that and then I'm heading out to Germany. Oh, army.

Yeah. Army stuff. Oh, army still flowing hard. Yeah. It's still going. And so, um, our contact there, he just got his fourth star. And so he's in Germany, we're going to go out there and see how we can support and help the effort. In Europe. While I'm in Germany, definitely going to organize an affiliate gathering, get together with some

of the affiliates there, going to the Frankfurt area, actually, Max, that guy's telling me about earlier, he has three gyms in that area. Do I know what's his last name? Do I know him? Yeah, you know, what the fuck was he in the US military? No, no, no, no, you don't know. Oh, okay. Okay. Nevermind.

Go on. Um, and then from there I might pop over and hit one other country up prior to, uh, coming back. So that's just like the first half. Is that other country army shit? No. Is it personal? No, it'll be it'll be affiliate stuff and another piece there. But is it related to the games checking out? No, no, no. Oh, interesting. I had the opportunity to meet Jen. Oh interesting um, um

I had the opportunity to meet jenna you introduced me speaking to west coast semifinals I met jenna hawker there the chief marketing officer of crossfit and didn't you guys like chase her down the road or some shit? No, didn't you guys like blow her and like try running her off the road? No, but I think her license plate might say her name on it or something like that No, but I think her license plate might say her name on it or something like that Okay, Taylor was driving we had the dark, you know blacked out giant SUV and it was just full of us and he Sped through like red lights and shit and pulled up next to her and she's in the passenger seat and we're just all hanging out the window and she's like like hey, I

Think my version might be accurate. So I I think my version might be accurate. So I've just been, you know, periodically just like I try to text her and just touch base small talk or just, you know, whatever, just so I just don't lose contact. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, Hey, what did you think about this guy's score? Like how's your training going? Just bull just bullshit, right? Yep. score like how's your training going just both just bullshit right? Yep, and

But recently I'm hearing some rumblings that there could be the return of Podcasts at CrossFit and I saw some and maybe I should have her on here to ask her this but I did see a There would be some explosive runs like there would be like four or five every day and they were live Which was very exciting for me. I was very excited for that. And then they went away and then they came back. It is what are you talking about? I don't just just your media. They're impossible. No, by explosive, I mean like you guys would have like just a spurt. Like there'd be on one like every like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

Friday, they'd be at noon for a week and then it stopped. So there would be just kind of like this explosion of media. Then it would go away for two weeks. Then it would come back. I think there's been two cycles of that. I would love, this is my recommendation, and I should probably text Jenna this. What about doing a live show that starts at midnight every night with like someone, you know, get Chase and Daniel Chafee and take over Europe? Stay out of this market.

Leave it to me. I love it. I love it. I love it. Here's the thing I'll say about you. Why don't you guys? So are you guys going to bring some stuff back? Yeah, I think we're already bringing stuff. Yeah, but I just want to see.

I think she's doing a great job, too. Don't get me wrong. I just want to see it like I want to see it. Like, I agree. And I love your style because you're so fucking aggressive. And I'm the same way. And like that stuff, like just go all in Just do it just make it happen There's a lot more like it's not that easy to do that stuff and especially in the

Organization is as big as we are at this part. Are you close with her? Yeah, you work closely with her Yeah, as close as me and you work Very jealous fucking breaks my heart She's been great. She's been great. She's trying hard. She's listening to all voices. She's taking input from so many people She's establishing relationships with yes. Yes. She knows that she's got her claws in everyone. Yeah, so like In the role she's doing a very good job. Okay, and I'm proud of her. Okay And she gave me great access this year at the games It's all it matters. It's the end of the day

Okay. Thank you. Anything else you want to say? Let me think I'm excited about the open I'm all in I'm gonna kick ass I'm excited about the open. I'm really excited about the open your hamstrings all fucked up not for me excited about the open. I'm really excited about the open. Your hamstrings all fucked up. Not for me. Not for my performance. Just for like, for the community for the things for the things we're going to do in it differently for the way we're going to get the affiliates even there's still more things to come in terms of how we're going

to get the affiliates involved. And so I'm really excited. The open is kind of like the tide coming up to wash away all the old shit that's been on the beach, right? You see that? Like it's just the tides coming up and just... I'm not going to say that. Okay. Thank you everyone. Caleb Beaver, you the man. Thanks for being back there. Dave, thanks for coming. Thank you. I hope you do a weekend review tomorrow.

Monday. Not tomorrow. Tomorrow is Sunday. I hope you do a weekend review tomorrow. Monday. Not tomorrow. Tomorrow is Sunday. I'm going shooting tomorrow. Shooting competition. Where at? Sacramento. Oh, going to tennis tournament. Where? San Jose. Okay. Is it going to rain tomorrow? Yeah. Oh good. I hope tennis gets canceled. All right. Are we still on? When I opened my gym, I knew I was gonna be training with the boys all the time. I was gonna get jacked and just be lifting 24 seven. Let me show you how it's really going.

Tavias, the toilet's clogged. Oh, okay. Hey Tavias, somebody needs help with their membership. Oh, okay. Thanks. Hey Tobias. Oh yeah, what's up? I know I don't have my strict pull up yet,

but can you help me get a bar muscle up? Yeah, sure, let's go. Okay, it's 9 p.m. So if I get home, shower, eat, I can be bed by 11 and then be back here at 4.15am. Let's go! This is the fourth time today that I've had to clean shit off the toilet. You guys have to get a different pre-workout.

I knew owning a gym I'd get to buy all the cool equipment I want. Check out this awesome $700 table. Ah, another person asking for a refund three weeks after their draft has come out. You know the cancellation policy, John. Oh, Carrie, five minutes late but had time for Starbucks again, huh? Thanks Carrie.