The Sevan Podcast - Joe Rogan got EVERYTHING Wrong about CrossFit | Souza's Show

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

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Heidi. Hello. Will Susan become Metfix affiliate? Yeah. We'll talk about that. Did you guys watch the, uh, Dale King and Emily Kaplan talk about what met fix is probably did a much better job than I did last week feeling my way through the dark, Dan, let's get triggered homies.

Oh yeah. You're about to get triggered in today's podcast. There's going to be a lot of trigger warnings in today's podcast. about to get triggered in today's podcast. There's going to be a lot of trigger warnings in today's podcast. We're going to talk a little bit about the, um, Mason's comment. We're going to talk a little bit about, um, Joe Rogan and how he completely dismantled CrossFit, completely dismantled it. And it wasn't until I went back.

So let's set some context for this. Four years ago, there was a podcast that Matt Frazier was on with Joe Rogan. And if you were like me, you were always wondering why Joe Rogan never really talked about CrossFit, at least like the programming and everything else. And I was always looking forward for somebody to come on there and really intelligently discuss what CrossFit was and Like just completely blow Joe Joe's hair back and be like, holy shit. I didn't realize how much was actually in this I just thought it was this crazy sport that we saw on ESPN sometimes and instead

We ended up with Matt Frazier on there And up with Matt Frazier on there. And it was awful. And it was awful. And I forgot how bad it was. It was four years ago. She was all crazy. My gym was closed. I didn't know what to do.

It was renting equipment, trying to latch on to seven and help them out with this crazy podcast and Joe recently republished a ton of shows. I don't know if you guys have seen on YouTube or whatever, like all these podcasts are coming up and if you look at it, the views are really low for Joe Rogan. And you're kind of like, what the hell? Then you realize, oh, he's just uploading everything onto YouTube from the year that he was like exclusively on Spotify. Um, and, uh, the Frasier one resurfaced, it popped back up and it reposted like three

months ago, two months ago. And I was like, oh yeah, this fucking show. And I listened to it again and I got triggered majorly because I thought it was bad the first time and then when I went back and re listened to it I didn't realize exactly how awful it was and how shitty CrossFit seemed during that podcast. So we're gonna do a little redemption redemption for myself for last week Although it was really nice A couple of you guys like reached out and then I saw on the podcast when someone was on later I was like, I wasn't that bad. He doesn't need to shoot himself quite yet

Mason Suza's Redemption podcast Jake. What's up, buddy? I always I always love like Jake has does such a good job of like trolling Saban and I to where like we'll get triggered and we'll start like yelling and Then Jake just moves on in the comments Like he doesn't even address the fact that we Just got triggered about what he said. He just saw on the next it was I was cracking up at some of your stuff this morning Um, daniel everybody be nice to suza this week. Yes, please guys my fragile fragile fragile little ego cannot take it

Uh jake suza, what's it like being the most relatable member of sevi's crew? That's kind of cool. Assuming you're meeting it in like a good way. I take that all day long. Uh, Frazier is to CrossFit. What I ran is to humanity. Right. See what I mean?

Um, Matt likes to service himself, not the mess, the methodology and oh man, it was imperative. And I don't even think it was like intentional. So I want to preface this by just saying like, look, I'm not, um, I'm not going to like put a ton of blame on Matt on this. If anything, I really put a lot of blame on CrossFit HQ because if I would have known and this was like the Rosa era time. because if I would have known, and this was like the Rosa era time. So if I would have known that Matt and maybe they didn't know, so we'll give

them the benefit of the doubt, but if I would have known that matter, someone over the other athletes was coming on, um, Rogan, I would have at least just reached out and been like, Hey dude, congrats, heard you're going to go on Rogan and talk about CrossFit. I'd love to have a conversation ahead of time. And then that way you could just kind of maybe throw some things out there with them and be like, Hey, are you aware of this or done this, or this is how you open an affiliate, which I'll show you guys in a minute here, this is like your

L one, this is what goes into it. Um, and you could tell that watching this podcast, especially as much as I did in research for this show, I have timestamp stuff that will play here, but watching it as much as I did, the, the, the feeling that I got across is like, almost like it was a, Matt was there to kind of impress Joe and almost seemed like, yeah, I came in, I run, I, I won the CrossFit games. No big deal. I'm kind of embarrassed to even tell my friends.

I do CrossFit like, ha ha ha ha ha. I won their stuff embarrassed to even tell my friends I do crossfit like, ha ha ha ha ha. I won their stuff and took and took and took the money. Um, and I don't think that truly is how Matt actually feels extra sloppy makes a great point. Extra sloppy rumor has it that Matt was so nervous for the podcast that he asked to do it a second time and, um, Rogan obligate really obliged really. And we watched the second version of that or did the second one just never make it to air interesting insights, extra sloppy. I would be, um, I blame his manager, Justin. Yeah.

It'd been one thing if he like downplayed something with CrossFit and upplayed something he was selling because then you could see right away, right? You could be like, okay, uh, yeah, we watched the second one. Oh man, dude, that is some interesting insight. I wonder what that first one, um, supposedly, supposedly, yes, allegedly, allegedly protect yourself. So, um, I, yes, allegedly, allegedly protect yourself. So, um, I, I would be really curious to hear what went by the first, the, if that was, if that's true and there was two recordings, I'd be super curious to listen to that first one because the second one wasn't that great either. And you could tell Matt got a little

nervous because he even stopped really like talking about himself or CrossFit at some point and they were just like completely shooting the shit about UFC for like a 15 minute section in there. It was kind of weird. Matt said on the Seven Bridges fall show following that, that he was super nervous. Yeah, I could see, I definitely could see anybody getting on that show and getting in their head. Like you sit down and the lights turn on, the camera turns on and they probably do like, okay, is it everything on? Okay. Camera check, mic test. Okay. So like, there's like this almost this big buildup. And then they're like, all right, away we go. Here we go. We're recording. And then you're like, shit, here we go. Hundreds of millions of

people are going to listen to this. Sousa, when was your first podcast with Sevan and were you nervous? The first podcast I did with Sevan was actually at his house and it was on my YouTube channel, the Rinka Dink little podcast I did. And yeah, I was definitely nervous because I'd watched and listened to him so much. And the podcast and the way that I did my show was really inspired by the same thing at CrossFit, the CrossFit podcast at the time. And if you listen to it, you could tell that right away. But yeah, I was nervous about it.

But then again, not really. Like once we started, it got into a flow a little bit. But yeah, I could see, I could see how he would be, how he'd be nervous. This first post here, before we get into the Rogan thing is going to be brought to you by Andrew Hiller. He posted this. I saw it like just on my way here from the gym and I thought that this was fantastic. Um, so this from Andrew Hiller on his Instagram post, he said things I did when I was in peak crossfit condition condition. And, uh, Andrew, I ahead and uh, edit this a little bit for you too

Um things I did when I was in peak crossfit sport condition peak crossfit competition condition a little bit, um, just add that little word in there So number one, he said I ate chipotle daily I slept eight plus hours daily. I exercised two and a half hours daily hours daily. I exercise two and a half hours daily. Weights four to six sessions out of breath six to 12 sessions. I coached four to eight hours daily. I ate 180 to 200 grams of protein daily. 3000 to 4000 calories daily. Sour Patch Kids pre and post workout. Different than Matt Snickers and Mountain Dew recommendation or Snickers and Coca Cola. But Sour Patch Kids nonetheless. Gotta get that sugar carbohydrate in ya, cause I'm a competitor.

No bread, drink only H2O, pre-workout, eliminated stress. So this was Andrew and his peak kind of, and if you guys saw, like if you, I'm sure you guys know, cause I know this audience, but Andrew is no joke. He was legit. Dude was legit. Made it to regional shit like that. Okay. So that's his whole breakdown. And then what I love here is when you switch over, it says things I told my members to do when I was in peak CrossFit competition condition. The triple C triple C set. Number one, he ignored Chipotle every single day. So he didn't tell him that at all.

He told him to prioritize his sleep. He divided the amount of time that he was in the gym two to four hours daily by four. So one hour. You will likely do this as well, which was his weight sessions and being out of breath. I asked what their goals were and usually still applied. I just spilled a bunch of coffee on my lap. And that was what he was referring to as far as their protein and calorie intakes. I asked, but their goals were usually never applied. So meaning like calorie restrictions of number seven ignored this,

which is the Sour Patch Kid pre-workout. Burgers are great without the bun. That's his gentle nudge. The more protein and eat less, uh, high glycemic carbohydrate. Number nine, um, uh, drink only water and pre-workout friendly reminder that alcohol is poison. Such a great point. If you guys are in there with your, um, members and stuff like that, just reminding them that you could do great all week and

then you get freaking your blackout drunk two, three nights a week, your Friday, Saturday, or your Thursday, Friday, Saturday, depending on how hard in the paint you go. And um, all those empty calories and stuff basically just unundid or undo what you did all week. Uh, number 10 life is what you make it, which was eliminate stress. So I love the, um, the back and forth here between like what he did when he considered himself a in peak CrossFit competition shape versus what he coached his members. Uh, nice comment from Miranda here. Chipotle field me, fueled me for like seven years.

Awesome. Uh, and this is the no explo, no explode guy, right? Yes, it is. Yep. That's why he only drank water and pre-workout, but didn't recommend it, uh, to his members, just suggested or reminded them rather that alcohol is poisoning. Why was Hiller, uh, uher spilling coffee during competition mode? Because he's wild like that. He's wild. Austin Hartman, 10 Budweiser's never hurt anybody. Speak for yourself. Speak for yourself. So I just thought that that

was cool and it was a great contrast or comparison to like, as we get into this Rogan thing with Matt Frazier here, because this was definitely a conflation, a massive conflation of CrossFit as a competition versus in a sport versus CrossFit as a training and lifestyle protocol. As you guys probably heard in the Metfix thing. Okay, so here we are. We're gonna have Rogan's interview up here. I'm gonna play it at 1.5 speed.

We'll let these play a little bit. I got notes, y'all. So we'll just get a jump around this thing and listen to it and then we'll talk about it a little bit as we go. Not as awesome as those chicks and the manager with the Diddy story, that shit was crazy. Okay. So jumping right off, uh, at the front here, a first one minute in, and

basically I'm going to show where Joe opened the door a bunch of times where the cross methodology could have been inserted intelligently and been talked about and explained really well, but was not. And, um, hopefully this will be our, our redemption as CrossFit is. All right, here we go. It let you know in advance what you're going to have to do some, like we might find out an event sometimes a week or two ahead, uh, but then like, we'll have others where we're literally finding out the event as we go, like as we're competing.

So we don't even know what we're doing on the competition floor. They'll be, they'll be like, all right, start lifting that weight. We'll tell you when to stop when you hit your number of reps, you know, stuff like that. It's, uh, it's interesting to train for because you don't know if you're training for a one rep max or a hundred. Uh, you don't know if you're training for a 40 meter dash or marathon, you know, it's, yeah, it keeps it interesting. Like we've had, we've had events that are like 20 seconds long. And a couple of years ago, we had to row a marathon on like the stationary concept two rowers. So like 42,000 meters. So was that 26.2 miles? Okay, it's called

Unknowable In the unknown it was a perfect opportunity to go in there and talk about what CrossFit prepares you for Which is the unknown and the unknowable and it could have said that the competition reflects that in the methodology by not letting the athletes know ahead of time what the workouts were. Instead what ends up happening here is Matt references one workout that they did that style one time. If you guys remember, I can't remember what year it was in the games. I want to say like maybe like 2018 or something where they came out onto the field and they

didn't know how many reps they had to do at each station. So you just went and then you were told to go on. So it was about them managing their pace in an unknown and unknowable situation. Chaos. Thank you, Mason. Yes. Chaos 2018. So he references one freaking workout that was done like that. One, he maybe could have talked

about the twist at the end of the run, um, in the 2020, 20, 20 games at the ranch, but instead he just kind of goes with that. Now, if you could hear in that portion of the, of the conversation, Joe kind of does, it's like, almost like, fuck, here we go. Another ridiculous thing of CrossFit and drives me mad because this is one minute in four seconds into the podcast and Joe already opened the door wide for Matt to just step in there with the unknown and the unknowable and start to steer the conversation towards the methodology and why that is the way it is rather than, um, just referencing one workout that had happened one time. D-Read, nice shirt.

Matt focuses at the top of the pyramid. Does he even follow the entire crossfit methodology? You guys will very soon find out in a couple clicks here that he doesn't even know what the crossfitology is. And I don't say that as in in the sense of like to make fun of them like oh he doesn't even know what it is like literally he says in here that he doesn't know what it is. Okay so this will be our another point here this is this is talking about the mixed, uh, mixed modality stuff. Okay. We'll play now.

Get better at it. You get more comfortable with it. And it's like when those curve balls get thrown at you have something that you're not used to, and I mean, that's basically that's CrossFit, right? That's what our training is. We're trying to think of different things that can be, be the test for us and figure out like, all right, if this comes up, how do we deal with it? How did you get involved? What was, did you just walk into a class one day and get excited?

So I have a background in Olympic weightlifting, did that for 10 years, lived at the Olympic training center, like Mike. Okay. You guys know the whole story. He broke his back. He still did the competition. He thought his whole entire athletic career was over. Then his back healed. Um, he wanted to find a place with a barbells and bumpers because he wanted to get back to what he knew, which was Olympic weightlifting. It turns out he Googled the gym. It was champagne Valley crossfit. That was the first gym that he goes into. I could, I could retell that story almost like I am Matt,

because I've heard him talk about it so many times. Um, but yeah, so that was another, another portion here where, uh, and Joe said it when Matt goes, yeah, it's interesting training for it because you don't know what's being thrown at you. And it's like, man, again, that's another perfect opportunity to talk about how CrossFit isn't random, but it's constantly varied. What does it prepare you for? The unknown and the unknowable.

How do we do that with functional movement across broad time and modal domains? What does that mean? Right. Then you could start to break this thing down in multiple different ways. But even Joe said when Matt goes, oh yeah, it's interesting to train for it's like, holy shit, dude, you're not trying to like train for what's at the games. You train the CrossFit method methodology because it's going to best prepare you for some of the tests that you will see at the games.

And the fact that he's like, Oh yeah, we're trying to figure out how to train for this thing. It's like, wow, if only somebody invented some sort of complete protocol that you could follow to be good at it. Oh boy. We're going to, we're going to keep it cool though. Today, guys, we're not going to, um, we're not going to get the triggered cast because that would be redonkey list. Uh, okay.

This will be briefly what Matt talks about. And you could tell right away that, um, Matt really got into CrossFit due to the fact that he could compete and win money and he talks about it right here which again I don't you know I'm not I'm not blaming him for this he came on the Joe Rogan podcast to talk about himself you think he would have promoted very well and in a great light the thing in the ecosystem that brought him to this point in a way that would invigorate potentially a new audience so he could continue to grow that ecosystem, one of which his income still depends on today.

But here we go. This is him talking about getting into it on the early days. Just pocket money for a college kid. Are there more competitions like this? And so they showed me where to find these competitions. And I just kind of started driving around the Northeast, like all of New England. And if there was prize money at a competition, I was signing up. And so I basically looked at it like a part-time job of like while I'm in school full time

and broke, I can make some pocket money. And yeah, just kind of, I was like, all right, if I want to keep winning these competitions, I need to work on my weaknesses, get better, and then just kind of fell in love with it. And it just ratcheted up bit by bit until like, okay. So there we go. We have him now talking about, um, his whole start into CrossFit. And like, if you go back, it's like, he already had

the weightlifting background. He was already super competent very well on the weightlifting and then, um, realize, oh, Hey, I could pick up some extra money here. The interesting thing about that is that, and he states in this podcast, that was around like 2012, um, when he started to lean more into competing. And it's kind of crazy to me to think about, like, I wonder if you can even make any money doing that now. Like I try to think about the level of competition and the amount of competition that actually

offer that much money to make it worth your while, especially if you had to travel or something like that. And I'm thinking to myself like, man, there is probably just, and I remember in my local area, there was more like local level type competitions during that time period. If you would ask, well, Matt, why isn't there any more? I would say that probably because there are a lot of work and very little money. Because if they weren't, if it was the other way, if it was a little work and they were

very profitable, I would imagine that we would still have a lot of them today. Justin, I still believe Joe did this show to showcase the stereotypical quote unquote cross fitter. Could be, um, could be, there were some talks about, about Matt and his L one. Uh, Matt Byrne says, uh, Matt, um, doesn't know that Susan never took his L one. He does mention that he did take it in this podcast. Yeah, for Netta, she knows that he did mention he did take it, but he totally shits on it when he says it. Because he's like, I went with a friend because they needed somebody to go with and I don't really remember anything from it. So he does mention the L1, but it's kind of it's set in that light.

It's not really said in like, oh my gosh, the coast, the course is so profound. Okay. So now we're going to get into the conversation here about Rabdo. Okay. Now this is about 20 minutes in or so. I'm going to pick this one up just a hair cause I think we'll end up listening to a little bit more of it. And, um, again, this is another, another, uh, point where we could, we could

start to talk about ABDO, but you could also talk about injury rates and crossfit. And it's a great way to lead into that conversation. So here's their take on rap. No, the real thing that happens pretty often amongst people that do CrossFit. Yeah, I think it's more, it's probably more towards like the beginners. Because like now when I train, I don't, I don't even get sore. Like, so it's just people that are out of shape to try to do something that you would do.

Yeah. And if it's like not a well-programmed workout where it's just like, oh, we're doing a thousand thrusters for time and it's going to tear your quads. It's like, no, no one should be doing that type of workout. But I'm sure it's the same as like if I just jumped in on campaigns, running routine, right. When I've done no building up to, I have no business running a marathon every day. Right. Uh, so yeah, if I'm just jumping into a workout that I'm not prepared for, but yeah, it's going to fuck you up.

Yeah. That is the thing, right? When someone says that like, uh, it takes you six months to recover from a marathon. There should be an asterisk if you're not conditioned to do a marathon. Yeah. I mean, it's like any sport of like, if I go in. Okay. So interesting with this because Joe right away prefaces it and says, oh yeah,

but Rabdo is only for people that are beginners. And then Matt says like, yeah, like if you're beginning and you're just jumping into something, it's like, holy shit, you guys know that's, that's completely wrong. Typically people that, um, are beginner level that are completely deconditioned, they will run out, like their aerobic capacity will fail them far, far, far before they end up with a Rabdo. And if you know anything in terms of Rabdo and CrossFit, the two exercises that are going to expose you to that, the

most are going to be your pull ups, especially the eccentric pull up, or when you give somebody like a band or something like that, that allows them to go beyond their physical limitation in it's going to be GHD sit ups and GHD sit ups for the same reason. It's because you have the centric portion and for all you people. So we're on the same page when it comes to eccentric, what I'm talking about is the muscle in a contract state and staying contracted as it's going through its lengthening stage. Okay. So what I mean is I got my bicep contracted. I'm still going to keep my bicep contracted as it lengthens, right?

This is an eccentric exercise. It breaks down muscle fiber or a breaks down muscles essentially twice as much typically as the normal concentric exercise where I'm relaxed as it's lengthening and I'm only contracting as I'm shortening the lever. There is no talk about how that only affects people that are usually really conditioned like triathlons or marathon runners that then come in and do cross fit where their muscles and they're not exposed to some of

these movements but they have the aerobic ability to push themselves further than they should. If I get somebody in here who has an exercise of 10 years and I'm having to do a 200 meter run, 10 wall balls and five jumping pull-ups, they're going to run out of gas in their lungs far before I'm worried about them getting rhabdo for the eccentric portion of the pull up or overdoing it in the squats. Will they be sore? Sure. But are they going to get rhabdo? No. So not only was Joe's comment about that only happens to people that are beginners completely wrong.

But on top of that, you're only scaring off people that would just be starting CrossFit because now if I heard old daddy Joe and I listened to everything he fucking says, and clearly he's Mr. Research Scientist, dude, never even double clicked on anything that has to do with CrossFit ever. Fuck both these guys, to be honest, which is ironic because one of them won the games five times. But if you're going to do that, why would you, why would you say it's going to happen to people that are beginners? Now Matt does to Matt's defense here does make a good point. It was articulated poorly, but he does make a good point of like, Hey, look, I'm not just

going to jump into a marathon. I'm not just going to jump into cam Hanes is running routine. That would destroy me. Right. You got to build up to this. And, um, it's just unfortunate that that was the way that that was said, because it couldn't be, it just couldn't be further from, from the truth or actually what, what happens and I'm not, and of course I'm generalizing a little bit here. Um, it can happen to Mark Bell who got Rabdo from running.

Who's been again, but I go back to the point of like Mark Bell is the, I would never describe Mark Bell at a beginner of anything, right? So he's able to push himself a lot further than most people are going to. And again, I'm not saying, holy shit, extra sloppy. Really? I got Rabdo from hero. I, Joshua, I didn't know I could do it for myself. Fuck dude. I didn't don't think I got rabdo, but the same thing happened to me.

I didn't work out for like two weeks. I was on like vacation or something. I just was being lazy. This was years ago and I came back and I did that workout, right? It's like the 42 pull ups and then the 21 overhead squats. It's short, right? And I did that. I did all the pull upsups like damn near unbroken.

And then for the next like five days, I could not straighten my arms out. It was awful. But again, that was because somebody that had experience and capacity but wasn't conditioned for that pushed themselves too far. I mean, me. Matt Frazier is to crossfit what Joel Owens seen as to the religious ministry. Damn. Okay. I'm going to let this play out because my next timestamp here is in, uh, just a couple

of seconds and we're going to get into some programming talk now. And to, to roll or something. And it's like, well, no, I need to learn the fundamentals. If I'm just jumping in into a full sparring session, it's like, well, yeah, that shit's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. It's really is like anything. And, and in CrossFit, when you talk about like someone doing 1000 thrusters, is a workout is are they scheduled

by the people that run the comb boxes, right? Your gyms comb boxes? Yeah. Yeah. Is that like, the coin terms that dorks? Is it like so dorky that you don't say it? I mean, I have to CrossFit. Well, I came in from weightlifting. So like, we used to watch CrossFit fail videos from weightlifting. Like when I started CrossFit, I didn't tell any of my weightlifting buddies for like, until they saw me like on ESPN. I'm like, I was getting texts or phone calls and they're like, hey, so I was watching TV today and you do crossfit now I'm like, ah, that's hilarious. I mean you're out here Fuck yourselves, so that is a little bit of an example of of I Feel sometimes when athletes try to like remove themselves like like, Oh, Hey, I'm bigger than just CrossFit.

Like I'm bigger than just the games. I bigger than just my training. Like I'm not even, I don't even use like the same lingo as some of these guys. Cause I'm, I'm too fucking, I'm too cool. Right. I'm too cool. Um, so whatever I, but the thing with them saying like a thousand thrusters are like asking about the programming and stuff.

I can't. I think it's another time step that I have in a couple of minutes here. But basically he gets into talking about like Joe does. Joe gets into talking about like, OK, so his crot this crossfit of like a central programming does everybody do? And then again, it's you guys will see it's a fucking it's a huge missed opportunity to talk about how to articulate program, how you're taught a Does everybody do? And then again, it's, you guys will see it's a fucking, it's a huge missed opportunity to talk about how to articulate program, how you're taught a method on how to program. That's what the L one is about.

And on top of that CrossFit main site do has a, does have a protocol for you to follow that you could follow all the workouts that were on there or used to at the time of this. I still think it's around now, but you know, you know how I feel about main site. Um, okay. So let me pull this down. I'll bring the other timestamp up here a little bit, but at least, uh, at least you guys are understanding where I'm getting at here. When I said that this was essentially the downfall because if you have to remember that this was at a time too when CrossFit was under national news and was attacked for a Craig being racist and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and all that

shit and we're getting tons of bad press in the news. And then Joe Rogan, who had arguably was at the height of his popularity through COVID and through this time. It's so disappointing at such a missed opportunity. Okay. All right. So here we go. We're going to talk a little bit more about programming here. I would imagine. I think just what I would think you should have to do.

Like the workouts should be scheduled. Like you should have like, okay, this is a workout that you can do. Like we've balanced it all out. Yeah, I think it kind of comes down to, you know, the gyms that aren't putting in that effort will dwindle out. Because, you know, people start expecting, they're like, I'm paying you a good chunk of money you know 100 200 bucks a month like I want something for that money you know I'm not just gonna show up to your dusty garage what I would hope is that there's some sort of accreditation so if it's accredited and then you have workouts that have been thoughtfully put together so that

you know that you're gonna get a good workout really good work out of balanced workout and be safe yeah I mean I've shown up to gyms where. It's brutal. Yeah, I can't imagine. I'm sure a lot of them are out of business now, but I've also shown up the ones that are great. You know, the people take pride in it. They want to give the customer the best experience they can. I was lucky enough that just by random chance, the first one I showed up to, like if they have a class over, you know, whatever number of people, they have multiple coaches working during the workout, the coaches.

Okay. So that was at least a good part. He talked a little bit about the differentiators in gyms there, like, Hey, some of them that are really bad, that weren't really adhering to that are probably no longer in business. And I've been to some really good ones that have everything dialed in. He goes on to talk about, um, CrossFit Champaign Valley and, um, says like how well organized it was, how he was thankful to being, being introduced to that gym.

They had two coaches on the floor when classes were really large. They focused on the fundamentals, all those great things. So that was something that was like good there as he talked a little bit about the quality control because in this case, like Matt's right, there's no arguing against that. The thing that I have the issue with is what Joe said right there. Like, oh, there should be some sort of schedule. There should be some sort of it's like, yeah, no shit, dude. What do you think? And that's the thing that's so frustrating is it's like, how in the world are you going to let somebody mischaracterize everything that you do this poorly and at

some point not talk about it in a way that is intelligently that the fence not agrees with and then separates yourself from pay attention that Magnus in reality, Matt is just a person. Here comes this victim mentality. To bash him on this seems like a butthurt crazy sect. I don't know. But butthurt, yes, you're correct. I am crazy. Absolutely.

Is this your first time on the fucking show? And yeah, I am going to do it because nobody else has corrected the fucking record on this. Do you guys understand the impact at the time that this had? If a hundred million people listen to this episode on whatever Joe's monthly download average was or whatever the case may be, and let's narrow that down to say only 25 million of them listened to this, that could have been 25 million people potentially walking through the door of an affiliate. You fucking idiots.

Think about that. And to say, Oh, well, Matt's just a person who wanted to elevate himself, dude, then he did a fucking piss poor job of it. Because if you rally and you stand up for the people, you're going to have a crowd of people that'll back you and get behind you But yeah, this was fucking awesome, right? I Don't think Matt missed any opportunities. Do you know we watching the same show Jonathan? Like are we watching this? Did you watch this podcast? He talked about himself and elevated himself

Brother elevated himself And here comes the other spot on Jonathan Ortega. Come on, you guys. Come on. And here's the deal. I said it at the beginning. Okay. So, so pay close attention here. I said I wasn't just blaming Matt for his inability to unintelligently explain what CrossFit was. I was breaking this down and correcting the fucking record because CrossFit doesn't have any ability to and hasn't in years. And this kind of slid under the radar until it resurfaced three months. And now guess what?

It's content for my show so of course we're gonna talk about it and this isn't a rally and grab the pitchforks and come after Matt situation this is a how the fuck did you go on Joe Rogan a without Joe having prepared anything on his end like didn't even look into anything and be some sort of some sort of I don't know insight as to what Matt this is gonna happen Probably don't don't fucking throw all of the CrossFit community under the bus and try to make yourself look better at the expense of Everybody else, you know what it reminds me of the Magnus in Ortega Maybe you guys imagine you go into a building with like a group of friends and you're kind of a new guy there and the buddy that brought you just wants to look cool in front of the other guys.

So instead of introducing you and being cool, he just starts to make fun of you in front of everybody else for a laugh of everybody at your expense. That get that help it out. At least frame it up for you to how I feel about it. Okay Moving on Moving on to the next insight and by the way, too It hasn't even gotten good yet you guys it hasn't even gotten good Where we're gonna save the we're gonna save the real triggering things for for later here, okay Okay, okay, which one's this 24, okay, so this is the L1 this is where we get into discussions about now one

Putting it Jim I would imagine I think you know just what I would think you should have to do, like the workouts should be scheduled, like you should have like, okay. Scoot up my time stamp, hold on. Yeah. Like, so now it's like, now that I'm not training as a career, My time stamp's got checked out. How old do you know? Like so now it's like now that I'm not training as a career My time seems got checked out

How old you know 31 now and what made you decide to retire at 31 because it seems like that's like kind of your athletic peak no, yeah, uh Yeah, I think people peak at different age. I mean like I had my best performance ever Like my last competition All right, I'm not gonna try to skip around to find it. But at one point he said, I went to the L1 with a friend. I didn't pay that much attention to it. So I'm not sure. And this is when Joe's talking a little bit about the programming portion of it.

And interest in opening a gym. This is the same thing. So you just have to pay a fee. Oh, yeah, here we go. OK, this portion. Sorry, I was almost on it, but not quite. Again, the coach is just a cheerleader. And I remember like, wait, these are the same. This is the same thing.

You know, so you just have to pay a fee to be a CrossFit gym or do you? I'm not 100% sure how it works, because I've never had an interest in opening a gym. I would imagine, I think, I mean, just what I would think you should have to do. Like the workouts should be scheduled. Like you should have like, okay, this is a, you should have, okay, maybe some sort of course that teaches you about it and multiple other courses to continue your education. So that way you become competent in the methodology you're teaching. Wow, what a profound idea, Joe. What a profound idea.

Okay. So we're going to jump ahead now. There was a point where Matt talked a little bit about, um, his cardio versus the weightlifting and, um, in this portion there, he did talk a little bit about how the way he trains for CrossFit does allow him to keep his cardio at a relatively high level, but also allows him to continuously build strength. Now it was a completely quick little portion and like glossed over a little bit. But I was a little I was like, man, because Matt's a fucking dude's a beast. Like, there's no question in his, you know, as far as his pedigree and his fitness and what he's accomplished,

you're never taking that away from him, dude was all time, in terms of his fitness and everything else. I mean, just incredible. Right. Uh, so I thought for sure he would have like leaned in a little bit more about how he developed those two bases, like Matt in them of himself. Um, because as you guys are pointing out in the comments here, like Matt was there for, for Matt. And, uh, that was a great, great time where he could have even promoted kind of like his own programming if he wanted to, because clearly Joe has no idea what CrossFit is and either does majority of the audience, um, uh,

that he's talking to, right? Jake Chapman back. Nobody taught me how to give women orgasm. That has to do with it. Caroline, welcome to the therapy session. I mean, the moral of the story is the sport of CrossFit was a beauty market first, think Cindy Crawford, and now it's a big old distracting wart. Yeah, I mean, I agree with that, but I think what ended up happening was, um, Jake, I can't look at some of the comments that you put through because I just, they

throw me off completely. Um, what ended up happening is in 20, what was it? 2018 when all the media team was cut loose and we were like, you know, CrossFit main, uh, HQ was pulled off of Facebook, off of Instagram and stuff. That was a pretty hard hit to the, to the mothership. And it took a little bit to get that re going, even though their time off those platforms in the switch of the media team happened quickly and their time away from those platforms were brief. It took a long time for them to start to recover from that. And, um, what ended up happening is once CrossFit had no media of its own, which

we're still seeing to this day, it doesn't have an ability to craft its own narrative. Meaning what CrossFit is, what we do, what we're about, because other people are now going to do that for you. Hence the athletes, because they have the largest followings, the biggest voices in the room, and you have no ability to defend yourself against stuff like this. Because again, everything with the media got dismantled. Um, and then it never really recovered from that. And then with the new regiment, the private equity company coming in,

they just completely decimated it. So now you have zero ability to have your own narrative, zero ability to defend yourself and you're stuck with athletes and pundits like myself doing it for you. Um, the comment that I danced at Susa, Jake Chapman, Susie, can you make your pecs dance? God, you guys probably have second-hand embarrassment watching me do that right now. Mason Glassman demolished CrossFit with that. The media for sure. And I do think that it was necessary in the sense of redirecting the ship.

Although you guys have heard me talk about this, I would have sequenced it differently. I wouldn't have just like rip the rug out from underneath the media team and pulled off the platforms. I think that that's still the overall theory of what Greg was doing. I still agreed with, but like I said, I just would have sequenced it a little bit different in terms of like how I would have rolled that out as opposed to just kind of the sharp turn to the left, if you will, which as you see media and CrossFit in and of itself has yet to to recover in.

Bernie, could you imagine Matt had got Joe to try CrossFit instead of disparaging it? The impact of that, like how Joe impacts the rest of Jiu Jitsu? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And it fills in a lot of gaps of stuff that Joe talks about, especially at this time, um, especially at this time.

And when we get back into it here, as you guys will see, uh, Joe offers this up on his own, takes Matt out a little bit into the deep end, Matt got a little nervous here because they started talking about vaccines and stuff, and especially at this time, it was a hot, hot, hot ticket item. Right. So I don't blame Matt for basically staying in his lane and being like, yeah, I don't follow that that that much. But with Joe bringing this up, it completely opened the door to how the CrossFit protocol

would have been super effective and is still very effective against a hedge against diseases. So like, if there's a virus in the air, it's like the amount of volume that is moving from their lungs when you're breathing heavy like that. And it's like people try to compare of like, oh yeah, I go to the gym and I'll do cardio. It's like, no, no, no, no, you don't, you don't do that. Yeah. You know, it's like where you're gasping, you're out there speed walking, bro. It's accurate.

Crushing, crushing six minute miles. Yeah. Well, the other thing is these guys are literally breathing each other's mouths because they're training together. They're such close proximity wrestling and they're doing jiu-jitsu. They're on top of each other or they're sparring kickboxing and clinching. I mean they're they're infecting each other. Yeah, when when it gets in the gym, it usually just burns right through the whole gym. Yeah. Yeah That's that's fucking crazy. But the thing about it in is in these gyms The vast majority of people that are smart and know that they have it. It doesn't become a big deal at all It's a big one of things they found out recently was 78% of the people that were hospitalized and know that they have it, it doesn't become a big deal at all. It's a big one of the things they found out recently was 78% of the people

that were hospitalized in America with COVID were overweight. Yeah. 78%. That's crazy. Like breaks your immune system. Yeah. Yeah. Your body is dealing with so much, so much other shit before that gets there and then it's not working optimally. And Joe, this is the crazy thing about the CrossFit protocol with the base of our nutrition being at, uh, with the base of our pyramid being nutrition, we completely encourage people to eliminate any, any high glycemic carbohydrates and any sugars that are inside their foods. Just go to a whole food diet and work through this functional movement protocol that we've

been talking about throughout this whole entire episode. I truly believe that this is the best thing that Americans could do for their health. And if you go over to CrossFit.com and you search what is fitness, everybody there can get a complete definition of fitness. And then when you go from there, you could go over to the pyramid of a hierarchy for training and it'll completely break down what CrossFit is and what its aim is to do. And with inside that, Joe, Joe you're gonna basically find a blueprint that everybody could follow you could do it for free or for very cheap at your house and the tons of resources over there at CrossFit.com to keep themselves

and their families safe but not only safe in hedging against disease but for a better quality of life. Okay did I do it? Did I do it? Did I do it? Right? Imagine the conversations are being steered in that direction. Okay, we got a couple more here. This is where it's gonna get good. Okay, hopefully my timestamps kind of got like something happened. They got like off by like a minute or something so I may need to jump around here a little

bit but bear with me. Okay so this is now towards almost the end of the podcast. They were talking a little bit about the CrossFit Games and now we're going to get into some great glassman talk by Joe and we're going to get into some Dave Castro talk as well. I haven't lost an in-person competition since like 2015. Like, if it's an in-person competition, I've won it for the last five years. And he put out this article and I was like, wow, that's a huge conflict of interest because he's the one programming the games, right? He's programmed the competition.

And then he also released something that said like, it just finished programming the 2020 games and it's not good for Matt. I was like, Oh, wow. Are you shitting me? Like, so do you think he was trying to get you to lose? I don't know. I mean, there are a couple of things that came up that. What a dick. There are a couple of things that came up that made me question of like, I think you're trying to. Does he have a relationship with someone else that's in the. No, I think he just doesn't like me.

Why? There's seem like a real nice guy. Everyone just jumps when he says jump. And I wasn't I wasn't that guy. He likes power. Yeah Yeah, that's a general consensus, but What is the deal with the do? Okay, okay In this discussion as well and we'll let this play out so you guys can hear they're gonna transition from talking about Dave and Matt basically complaining about Dave and saying that Dave has somehow skewed all the programming to only focus on Matt even though at the time there was a extremely dominant female competitor who's still in the games now but apparently Matt thought it was so much about him that Dave was programming specifically to knock Matt off the top.

Now interestingly enough, Matt, during this discussion will probably hear it as I let this play on in a moment, goes, well, you know, hey, it's like as I win the fourth time, I was coming back for the fifth time. This is when he talks about O'Keefe kind of pushing him to compete one more time so that way he could win one more title than Froning. And it's pretty funny how he also in that Matt says, Oh, well, Dave published this article about me. And then Matt goes on to say, but I know that I've won four times in the fifth time. Like you kind of, you know, you need to mix things up a little bit. And it's like, yeah, dude, exactly. Like, eight, we know for a fact, Dave didn't publish anything. Like Dave didn't write an article somewhere

and publish something. He was probably quoted saying that and making it tongue in cheek. And at the same time, Dave would say something like that all the time to the competitors because he's trying to drum up some sort of promotion for this. That's what all his weird ass clues for the open are. That's what him taking little shots at different athletes are is to create some sort of media attention and create some sort of tension with him and the other competitors. I mean, shit, if you knew Matt was going to show up and just absolutely dominate like he was during this time period, what's the fucking point of watching it? You're

just watching for second place. But now if you start to like what Dave's doing is he start to chum the water a little bit. He makes it fun. He kind of pokes at Matt, see how Matt reacts to it. But Matt's built up this, um, clearly this mentality that Dave is specifically just out to get him, nevermind the other 79 competitors that'll be at the CrossFit Games, but it's just about knocking Matt off the top. So I just find that pretty interesting. And obviously, like Dave would have his opinions on that, and it would be completely the opposite of,

um, of what is actually what, what Matt is talking about here. Um, Jake Chapman, the studio looks like an anus, honey. I shrunk the CrossFit, uh, champ and shoved up my heart. Yeah. That studio didn't last too long, huh? It switched back to his more, um, like Texas style. And this did, that's the, the watching Joe, when he had the studio look like this for that period of time was like weird

It was not a good book. I'm so glad they changed it Chase what's up? Never seen a bigger disservice to CrossFit than this interview. Yeah, I know and I'm forcing everybody to relive it Magnus had something good to say up here I understand your point Susa, but it's a little a little like complaining to the bank that the interest went up So you don't have the same money left anymore and you have to work harder. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

I agree with that. I agree with that. I guess and I think my hope is within this is like there was no narrative. There was no defense of CrossFit. There was no defense of the methodology. And this was on a massive platform. And I guess I feel like my little part here is coming on and like combating it and just putting a new a new narrative out there that doesn't do anything like complaining to the bank that you have to work harder because your interest rate went up. No, probably, probably not. But I

hope that within this too, as you guys listen to me, like talk about, uh, you know, or answer questions to matter, talk about this, the, the opportunities where we could have really made the CrossFit protocol look good. Hopefully some of that sticks to you guys, because I know that when you're out there on the streets talking to people about CrossFit or what it is you do or the gym you own or how you work out that you're going to also probably have to defend it. That's just the nature of how it goes to CrossFit. So maybe my little

contribution here is helping set the record straight and then also giving some good talking points for any of you guys out there that might need them. I don't know does that does that work? That's me feeling my way through the dark on this. So okay that's kind of the point of it. Oh, and the other point is content for the show. You know, these reaction things get great, great videos or great views. Right. OK, so now that was Matt talking to Dave or talking about Dave and the relationship the games. Now we're going to get into a little discussion here about Greg. And this this was quite appalling to me from Joe here

that's when he says jump and I wasn't I wasn't that guy he likes yeah yeah that's a general consensus but yeah what is the deal with the dude you started CrossFit because he doesn't look like he exercises no I have that's baffling to me yeah I mean you look there's a lot of boxing trainers that don't look like they work out at all And they're great trainers But then I feel like the boxing trainers that like they look like they don't work out But then like you see them hit a bag and they're like, oh shit probably like butter bean. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I remember seeing him for the first time like that's guy, like that's the guy who started this whole thing.

Okay. So it was interesting there because Joe kind of, uh, gave the out. He was like, it's like watching a really good boxing trainer and knowing that they're not in the ring fighting in order. Their physiques, uh, uh, show that. And, um, then Matt says, yeah, but it's like you watch him throw a couple hits at the bag and you're like, Oh, that's why you're the boxing instructor. And Joe even goes, eh, sometimes, or he goes, eh, maybe.

Look at all the great NFL coaches. I mean, like to think that you need to embody everything that has to do with CrossFit and be the walking, uh, billboard for it, which Greg held up Jason Kalipa's hand and says, this is the advertisement. This is the end product of CrossFit protocol. Right. Um, so if you think that Greg needs to look like that to advertise, uh,

CrossFit or to think that somehow that takes away from his message or his contributions to the fitness space, you're out of your fucking mind. And the cool thing is, is Jamie kind of shuts Joe up a little bit later on when Joe rebring it back up and, uh, and, um, uh, he goes, yeah, it didn't look like that guy worked out and Jamie goes, oh yeah, he had polio and he taught himself gymnastics. It shows here. And then it also shows that he had a really bad injury that happened to his hips that

it makes it tough for him to get around. And having spent the weekend with Greg just a week or two ago, I can tell you that is there's a definite limitation to his mobility. Okay. And I'm not even, I'm not even whatever saying that as an excuse, but at least kind of know like the facts of everything before you get into it. Just start, start saying, Oh, that's the guy that started all this. And the thing is too, is Matt is so removed from what CrossFit

actually is that he's, he's like in this complete agreeance here with Joe, I'll pull it back just 10 seconds. We'll re go through this portion. Probably like butterbein. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, I remember seeing him for the first time. Like, that's the guy. Like that's the guy who started this whole thing. Like, how did he start it? Was he high? I got an idea, bro. I don't really know. I get people to work out until they die, man. I haven't heard enough. I don't know enough of Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Yes, I have. Yes. Fun fact, Greg Glassman holds the record for the P90X DVD threes. It's sad guys. More and more people are going to

get into the CrossFit space that did not go through the right of passage of doing the P 90 X in the ad ripper X. That should be more of the prerequisite. Like, Oh, you want to coach CrossFit? How many times you've been through those P 90 X DVDs? Dog. Now one time you're not qualified. I feel like everybody who eventually got into CrossFit, that's a whole other podcast where the P 90 X guy tried to take credit for CrossFit. Amazing, right? Okay. Joe, again, now we're two minutes and 32 seconds into this podcast and he is begging Matt,

begging, please tell me about CrossFit. My God, tell me how did the owner even come up with it? Matt goes, I have no idea. And then Joe goes, Oh, was he high? Like, Hey man, let's have people work out till they die, man. And fear rating. Like, are you kidding me, dude? Like, and this is the frustrating part in Magnus. I know, I know I'm just standing outside of Black Rock right now, shaking my fist at their 30, you know, story skyscraper. I get it. But shit, dude.

just a idea that's held in Joe's mind about CrossFit, but it's literally like how most people view it. And now it's even justified or has been from a long time. Cause this podcast has been out for four years that like, now people have that like crystallized in their mind that CrossFit is a sport in that the guy that invented it invented an extreme sport that we're going to have people work out till they die, man. Holy shit. Okay. For the history, but you would imagine that like when I thought

I'm going to see the guy who created CrossFit, I thought he'd be built like you. That's like, oh, we're going to see see some at least like stud some form of healthy athlete. Yeah. Yeah. Some guy who's like really into like extreme competition. Yeah. Some guy who's really into extreme competitions.

I wish I had the video here so I could just hit play and it would just be great coming up and saying like I do not care about CrossFit games. I wish I had that clip then he could and then day uh uh Greg could then come on and say like yeah CrossFit was successful despite the games despite the games okay we're gonna keep going because here's really where it digs in. We're just going to keep it playing. I've, I've met him twice. Like, and it was a, Hey, how you doing? That was it.

Like one time he was at an event and I think he needed something from the person I was talking to. And so he was like, Hey, I'm Greg. Nice to meet you. I was like, Hey, nice to meet you too. And then the, the second time'm Greg. Nice to meet you. I was like, hey, nice to meet you, too and then the the second time bumped into him randomly out of Starbucks Wow, like we're in Hawaii and then like he came into the Starbucks. I was like, oh, hey Greg. He's like, hey That's it. That's a guy who wins my thing every fucking year. Maybe I'd want to say hi

He's come he came out. He came out recently talking about how he hates. Whoa Since that's the guy he came out recently like in the last couple years of like how he doesn't like the games Yeah, he was like I don't it made him rich as fuck. Yeah It made him rich as fuck No No, no, no It cost the affiliates a shitload of money to make this fucking dude No, no, no, no. It costs the affiliates a shitload of money to make this fucking dude.

Where's my pointer at? Rich as fuck. It made an ecosystem of gyms, companies and individuals that all buy into it and buy all the shit you're fucking wearing and the sneakers you fucking pedal and the shirts you do and the workout programs and the other shit. And the thing that drives me mad is like when Joe's like, Oh, there's a guy that started some extreme fitness competition. Like this is what we're up against guys.

This was four fucking years ago. What do you think? It's gotten better. It's gotten worse Let me lay it out there for you. It's gotten fucking worse We now have paid ads coming out across for HQ that basically are showcasing somebody in a competition Not an affiliate at all. No gym anywhere to be found and if you click the link to the call to action It's gonna bring up a contact form and at the top of the contact form, it says sport instruction. This is ads that are being ran paid for by CrossFit HQ. This is the, not only the perception of CrossFit as the public's perception of

CrossFit, people who don't know about it at all, people who are currently doing it, this is the perception of CrossFit. And this is the perception of majority of the executives that fucking work there. The executives that work there. And if you remember too, when, uh, when a lot of people jumped on the bandwagon, like, yeah, Greg didn't even work out. Yeah. And then fucking Rosa showed up and made all the judges and athletes watch him in the buttery bros do Fran in the 2020 CrossFit games. You kidding me? Rosa was nothing more than a rich fan boy that wanted to buy his way into the

cool kids club and we got to watch him do pull ups with his shirt off. Fucking clown them and all of Berkshire partners lied to us. I'll find the videos of Rosa doing his fucking interview. I think it was with Dave or something in their zoom call. Like I own this outright. I'm going to go ahead and, and, and take this company to the next 50 years of ownership. Mason, so why would you give them $4,500? Because it's up to us.

Hashtag it's up to us. I'm paying it for a moral play because I use the CrossFit protocol. So I have to pay it. I want to be part of the community. They should have a $500 part of the community fee Yeah How does he not like the games because he was saying like it's not what cross it's about cross it's about the everyday person going to the affiliate and it's like Yeah, that's true. But like this is a a pretty good promoter for the other part. And like,

during one interview, he was saying, yeah, what's the say like, you know, if the comp, if one person is running away with the competition, I don't do something to like change at the last minute so they don't win. And I'm what I'm sitting there like, I'm trying to make my livelihood off this guy's like, it'd be cool if you didn't intentionally try to ruin this for me. That's like, how do you not like when, you know what I hate right when I figure out that darn Instagram algorithm and I do all the things to hack and get more, more eyeballs on it. Instagram go ahead and changes the algorithm.

I would appreciate it if they didn't because my livelihood is built off this platform what and I I would be I think you'd be hard-pressed actually find any record of of fucking Greg's saying that at all that he would just mix it up or change it so the person didn't win. And Joe is like, his mind is blown with this right now. He's like super confused as to, wait, why would that guy not like the games and made him rich as fuck? Wait, this makes no sense. And then Matt goes, Oh yeah, it wants to be more about the everyday person in the affiliate, which is or wrong. No, the everyday person.

Why don't you actually explain, explain what the, what the whole entire intention and mission of it was. Okay. We'll go back in. And someone says something like that guy said, where he said, doesn't look good for Matt and then you win it again. How do you not like rub it in his face? Like, Hey, fuck face.

What's up with that article? I mean, especially since you're retiring. I mean, you kind of put it, it's one of those things that like mentally like you pin it on the wall. So like, it became a thing that he said he goes, Matt, Matt's performance is slipping. And I was just like, all right, I'm gonna show you slipping motherfucker. And like, you just like, okay, I don't want to give him the gratification knowing that I'm thinking about it. Right. Well now he knows.

Yeah. I mean, I think I've already told him some other stuff. Oh, did you? I mean, it's just a weird relationship because it's like, yeah, he says stuff like that, like publicly. And it's like, if I'm friends with someone, yeah, I'll talk shit to you all day long to your face I would never go to a publication and say it without like giving you a heads up or Yeah Exactly, this is fucking crazy

It's crazy. I think that mentality that Matt has that kind of like everybody's out to get me the whole world conspiring against me. You know, it's me. It's a David and Goliath story. I'm David and everything I see is Goliath, right? Like I think that that mentality probably helped them win the games. Like when he showed up that way and he was like just getting after that every event and probably the story that he's telling himself in his training to keep That mentality probably helped him win the games. Like when he showed up that way and he was like just getting after it at every event and probably the story that he's telling himself and his training to keep himself going, to keep himself motivated. Like I dig all of that a lot, but when you start applying that mindset outside of

motivation, just to get you to push harder in the gym, to win the thing, your, your ultimate goal is, and you start just applying it generally in life without any sort of like actual perspective on shit It gets dangerous because then all of a sudden you're just in your head Everybody's out to get you you're the butt of every joke. It's all Against making you you know less successful or stopping you from doing something And it's super easy to get yourself caught up in that cyclotory

Mentality doesn't do anything for you But outside of the training it starts to put up roadblocks and different things in your life because you can't you're not malleable you're always just worried and paranoid that yeah, someone's out to get you someone's out to get you and I think that the that switch should have been flipped when he stopped competing. Because I don't think that that mindset is going to be serving to you in the business world. It's good to be skeptical. It's good to be paranoid. It's bad to have that victim mentality the whole entire time. OK, so we'll let this play out. But it's pretty much, uh, we're pretty much done with

it at this point. Not only that, when you say something like that, that has no basis in fact. Yeah. When you say he's slipping. Sorry, no basis. In fact, like everything you've just talked about for the last two hours, Joe. And then you go, well, let's look at his performances. Actually, he's not slipping at all. Yeah. last two hours Joe and then you go well let's look at his performances actually

he's not slipping at all yeah like look look he's fucking dominating everything he gets into so how's he slipping yeah you want him to slip is that what it is yeah I mean I mean it's been pretty obvious and knowing that he doesn't like me and he hasn't liked me for a long time I think maybe like people don't like it when someone just kicks too much ass? Like they get a little upset and then this is, you know, I'd like different people to win every year. I, I think it's good for the sport.

I think it's good on either extreme. Like it's fun to watch someone that just like repeats and keeps getting better and better, and I also think it's awesome for a nail biter coming down to the last workout to see who's going to pull it off, you know? Yeah. And who do you think creates that excitement in the ecosystem? You definitely not you. At that time you were locked in, focused, wouldn't leave the dungeon in your workouts. I get it. Good on you. But if you don't do it and the other athletes don't do it, everybody's all kumbay fucking yaw, hold the hand and don't don't do any shit talking to other athletes. How in the world is there any excitement behind this thing?

How in the world is anybody going to be like, man, I can't wait to watch this year's games. There are some fucking crazy rivalries. It'll be cool to see them on the floor. Like if you looked at this thing, it looks like, you know, Matt, the couple of these people have a chance to beat Matt this year. Right? Like you creating hype, you're creating a buzz around it without what Dave was doing at that time, especially in like 2020, when there

was nothing going on and even like this year's games guys think about it. I mean, Dave went on and did, um, all 79 athlete interviews and was doing the weekend reviews and all that. If Dave didn't do that, we would have zilch, nothing nada going into this year's games. Nothing. Think about it. Think about what was being produced outside of what Dave was doing and what we were doing on the seven on podcast and all my buddies were doing get with the programming, shut up and scribble coffee pods and wads. Like, you know what I mean? The spin, the spin cast, like without all of us like feeding into it and then Dave or the other athletes planting little seeds for us to pick it up and talk about it and create content about it. You didn't really have,

like, there's no buzz behind it. There is no enticing reason for me to get to know you and get to watch you. Right? So like, come on, dude, take it with that. Take it with a little grain of salt. Oh, yeah. But I think, I think with him, like I got treated a certain way. Like I wasn't jumping when he said jump. Like I got treated a certain way like I wasn't jumping when he said jump like I got treated a certain way when I first

Came into the sport And it was basically like ah, whatever like you're nobody and so I was like, okay, like I have your card I I know that's how you act now and then like he became trying to be nice to me once I had some success in the space I was like no, I'm good success in the space. I was like, no, I'm good. Holy shit. It's also a huge miscarriage. Can you imagine if Dave did go around and just fanboy on everybody? Like Matt was like, oh my god, Matt Frazier's here. Oh my god, you won it four times. Yay. Like then it would be called favoritism. It's crazy. Crazy. It's crazy. Crazy.

Renetta, Matt finished his career, started jujitsu towards ACL. Did he? That sucks, dude. Don't forget John Young in his NASCAR bed. I can never forget senior analyst John Young. Senior analyst, John Young. So many potential similarities between CrossFit, Dave Cash and WWE, Vince McMahon. Yeah, exactly, dude. You have to have somebody in there that's doing that, stirring the pot and everything else and didn't monetize Velner check.

Yeah, how fucking crazy is that, dude? What's up, Judy? Good to see you. Oh my goodness. So that was it. I think there's some pivotal things that have happened in the past. We already discussed the 2018, the great media blackout of 2018. Then we had this monstrosity in 2020.

Bunch of internal changes, multiple CEOs from Rosa to Allison to Don Like there's just been a ton of turnover Internally with the company more layoffs less people that are really entrenched inside of what CrossFit is and and the purpose it's trying to serve and way more people that are concerned with the sport and everything else I'm sure trying to serve and way more people that are concerned with the sport and, um, everything else. I'm sure, uh, Amanda, I'm sure shitting on Joe will help promote the cross methodology, the person with the biggest audience promoting health and fitness. I, I don't, okay.

What, what are you trying to accomplish by that? No, Amanda said it, you guys. All right, she's correct There's no point in in refuting or defending or correcting anything that was said on the show That's stupid. I Don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. I Roll I roll back What have you fucking done? so I roll I roll back. What have you fucking done? So I um, I defend it. I go to bat for it. And I did again on this one here, which I'm just going to show you guys the comment section

and then we'll we'll end my whining of a show. Who was it that doctor guy CrossFit Games 2024. There was a big name dude who made a show on like CrossFit being dangerous and and did this whole entire bit on like the first event at the games. He was some Canadian doctor and talked about how this was the problem with CrossFit and how it spills over into the gyms and all this shit. And I wrote a comment to him that I knew would would probably get his attention. And I'll show you guys it right here. I think you just think this is funny. We're not going through this at all, but I think you might think that this was funny. So this was it, uh, is CrossFit killing athletes surgeon reacts to Lazar

Dukic death at the CrossFit games. Okay. Pretty big account, 653,000, uh, subscribers. Um, this thing got 40,000 views two weeks ago. And here's what I put in the reason why I worded this comment this way is I had a feeling it would catch his attention in the way that it was worded. And, and it did. So I just commented. This was eight days ago. You guys could see it there. I commented, I'm surprised with how little you actually know on this subject. Your lack of research here is startling. You see that? I had tuned it

to the, to catch the doctor's attention. And then he immediately wrote back, which if you look at all these comments, how many comments are on this thing? 308 doesn't respond to any of them, but responded to mine. And And he put, can you list the errors here? Now I replied to this with multiple errors listed within a couple minute period. And now it looks like I can't tell if it's gone or if something happened. Let's try to go back to his channel. Let's try to click this and did he delete my comment? I don't think he did He did he deleted my comment Holy shit, that's amazing good thing. I took a screenshot of it, so I'll show you guys So if you look here it says uh, can you please list out the errors? Right?

Oh wait, maybe he didn't delete it. Maybe he didn't delete it. Oh no. Yeah, he did. It is gone. Okay. So then I put to him, yes, no mention of Greg Glassman offering the most complete definition of fitness and health. No mention of the NSCA case where CrossFit proved in a court that the NSCA committed scientific misconduct and false injury data about CrossFit. Greg Glassman has publicly stated multiple times that he did not like the CrossFit Games and sport of CrossFit, which you conflated with the CrossFit mythology in the video. Number four, CrossFit being sold to a private equity company in 2020 and how most of the people that work there are no longer there since then and how that might have affected the games.

Our friendly doctor here also left out the fact that at maximum intensity and then in parentheses, it says relevant or relative, excuse me, relative to the physical and psychological tolerance of the participant, which it clearly states multiple times in the L1 So, yeah Yeah, I think I'm doing my part So Anyways, I I will continue to defend the methodology Anyways, I will continue to defend the methodology. Greg said in a talk he did back in Hillsdale a while back, and he said there are two major

players in the fitness industry. There's the American Beverage Association and there's CrossFit. And now with CrossFit sold to the private equity company, you could do the math. And hopefully you guys watched the, the Metfixfix Q and a with, uh, Emily and Dale, because it sounds like that'll be the continuation of the mission. The one that I'm involved in and the one that I know a lot of you guys are passionate about and involved in, in your own ways. You're a savage, sir.

Thanks, Matt. Friends just on here picking fights with people But no, I mean it's like fuck you if you're gonna have a 653,000 subscribers and you're gonna make this whole entire video would have been one thing if you just talked about the CrossFit Games In the event, I wouldn't have even touched it, but he did this whole like well If you don't know what cross it is, let me explain it to you. Completely didn't explain anything. Put it, made it look really bad and then immediately segue it into like, and this is how they're killing people at the games. It was atrocious. And I'm going to double check because sometimes

when you click on stuff, it won't show their comments. But if you guys go to that and you know for a fact, my comment was deleted, Let me know because there's nothing more I would have to do than to rage war with this dude. And I'll post it in the Instagram and see what he does. That's hilarious that he would just fucking delete my comment. It's awesome. Um, Magnus, when will you be a high rocks affiliate? Uh, probably never. I will never be that, but I would, um, uh, for sure stay very closely attached to what's going on over at, uh, Metfix and what the crew over at broken science are doing. Um, because that will most likely be the next thing against solving the problem of chronic disease here in the U S.

Um, yes, RB Ariel Lohan is on barbell spin tonight. The nightly show they do. Um, is it tonight or they usually on Wednesday nights anyhow? Um, all right. Well, thanks for, thanks for hanging in. I, you know, I like to do some of those shows. Like I said earlier, uh, in hopes that it cricks, uh, the record gives you guys some fuel, um, against, uh, it hopes that it cricks, uh, the record gives you guys some feel, um,

against, uh, other haters out there that are trying to conflate what we do with the nonsense that's out there. Uh, YouTube might've to leave it, deleted it. If you triggered their algorithm, I didn't cuss or anything though. Clock. I made such a a like I was very careful to not like put any curse words or anything outside of just straight up factual information and you even saw that first comment the way I articulated the comment like that was a hundred percent so that way I knew that doctor would would be like what I got something wrong, my research, and then got fucking bent over and now he has nothing else to do. No haters here, just buddies.

Thanks, Magnus. Appreciate it. Thank you guys. Thanks for hanging out. I got some cool stuff we'll talk about. We're going to get back into the affiliate discussions and some coaching stuff. Obviously, that's my lane. I enjoy doing that and talking about that with you guys.

So oh, you see my comment, Daniel. Okay. Cool. Yeah, it's weird. Sometimes when I click on it, like it won't let me see my other comments. And that's why I was like, wanted to double check before I started really getting after him for deleting it, just to make sure that that was actually true. But yeah, any good stuff says that have a great week along with

everybody else in the chat. Yeah. And if you guys are members of the Seb On Podcast channel, whether you're a CEO or whether you're media director level, we will be releasing all of the affiliate videos for you guys to watch. Please go on there if you have a little bit of time. Watch a few of them. Leave some comments on there.

Like it, dislike it. Let us know. So then that way we're going to be using you guys as reference to, uh, judging our affiliate videos. Um, I'll get together with, uh, Sevan. We'll talk about the little panel of people that we're going to be bringing in. I think we could have some fun surprise guests for you guys. We'll bring in some big name people to watch a few videos, um, and vote on them.

Uh, and we will start rolling out when those shows exactly will be coming up within the next, uh, couple of days here. So thank you guys for your, uh, patience. Um, it did take me a long as time to vet all of those videos, get back with people, make sure I have the correct files, upload them all to YouTube, all that shit. Um, part of why last week's was so frazzled is like usually I'm pretty good at maintaining the massive demand on my time For different things but every now and then I get in a headspace where it just feels like I'm just fucking everything up like All the spinning plates above my head are just like crashing down and I'm just was it was yeah It gets crazy every now and then I definitely get that way if you talk to my wife

she'd probably say that I'm like that more often than not, but you guys got a glimpse of it on the show and I appreciate you always hanging in there and hanging out with me. Have a great day guys. Be good to each other. Adios. Bye bye.