The Sevan Podcast - Lifeguard on Duty OR Coach | Live Call In Discussion

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

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I got a call online. I'm going to put it up in a second. Welcome, everybody. We're going to chat a little bit about the difference between being a coach and being a lifeguard on duty. And hopefully, you guys out there in the Internet of Things, the world of the Internet, know the difference between those two. Because there is quite a bit of lifeguard on duty that I see and not enough coaches, not enough coaches. Corey, what's up, man? Don't let that happen again. He's okay.

I will try not. Greg, what's up, buddy? Yo, Matt, how you doing? What if I'm a off-duty lifeguard? Need not apply then. Augustus, need not apply. Asymmetric ears, always good to see you. Seth, what's up, man? China is in Maui, in Lahaina. Cool. You know what? One time, years back, probably 2013, 2014, I think even before China had her

own gym, the Good For You CrossFit, I think she was just going to CrossFit with Petus or something at the time. Anyhow, she came down to the gym and worked out with the class once. It was pretty cool. I doubt she remembers me or who I am, but that was a cool thing. Susan better hurry up or he's going to get trampled

by the 9 a.m. for coffee pods and while it's final. That is today, isn't it? That's exciting. I like that show a lot. Fifth Wheel Fitness, what's up? What's up? How are you guys doing? Okay, so we're going to jump right into it with no further ado. Of course, oh, well, first, obviously, we'll say Psy328 first. Thank you. Thank you for being the first. I appreciate that so much. You know what you get? Air horn. I turned that down a little bit. Like I said, I think we're going to have some guests starting next week. Nothing too crazy. Just a little interview. I'll have some specific questions for them, and then we'll move them on. It'll be fun because we'll start them out.

When anybody comes, we'll be like, welcome to the show. We'll hit them with applause and a triple air horn. And they'll be like, holy, oh my gosh, I've never had so much love before on a podcast. And I'm like, I know, especially a digital Zoom one. What's up, Brad? How are you doing? It's Brad's birthday yesterday. Absolutely crushed the workout. Helps me out with all the fire programs. Thank you for all that, sir. Okay, so we're going to get right into a couple clips here,

and then we're going to get into our discussion about coaching. And I really want to hear your guys' opinion on the coaching. So don't be a little biatch and not call in. And if you do call in, have a statement or have a question and then move on. I don't want your life story. You don't want to get 1999'd up in the comments. So make it good. Make it quick.

And then we'll move on to the next caller. Okay? Fuck. Okay? Does it still count if I cuss if I just breathe heavily into the mic? As always, we're going to start with the best of San Francisco. I want you guys that don't live in California to get the full extent of everything that goes on in here. Okay. So this

fine gentleman looks like he brought an outside food. Already a no-no. It's clearly an In-N-Out burger. Can't just bring in your outside food here. So hereno. It's clearly an In-N-Out burger. Can't just bring in your outside food here. So here's what we got going on. This gentleman, do you guys want to hear the scary noises he makes? Oh, hell no. Oh, hell no, bro. This is bad. Look at this dude.

Oh, no. We need to get the fuck out of here, Mag. Fuck. I haven't been mine. I've never seen this when you first came to the United States. Welcome. Welcome to San Francisco. mag fuck welcome welcome to san francisco unbelievable i don't know i will never find this in the ua in dubai never i'm scared never find this in Dubai. What, just some random dude? Can we see it again?

Is it going to replay? Look, look, look. Look at that. Can't zoom in more. Look at that man's face. This guy is so cracked out on fentanyl. And homeboy's here just with his girlfriend. And my favorite part about it is just like, just keep your head down.

Just don't make eye contact. All right? And then they won't come next to us or maybe bite my neck or something crazy. Holy crap. And you know what the funny thing is? You guys think like, oh, maybe this is anecdotal. It's just a random thing. Not really, guys.

Not really. Question I have too. Rhetorical question, I guess, because I'm not going to put the new call-in number up, mostly because I don't remember what it was. But what do you do in that situation? Are you leaving there? Do you sit there with your kids?

Do you just pretend this is normal? Or do you get the hell out of there? Corey Leonard, we know it is an anecdotal. Yeah, seriously, dude. Nuts. Jeffrey Birchfield, what's up, man? Welcome to the show or to viewing the show. in our environment just keeps getting pushed, right? Like you would have probably cast it back 10 years and you're like, dude, if I would have seen this guy just acting like a nutcase, like there's no way I would like, we would have called the cops.

We'd have been like, dude, this dude needs help. Like he needs, he needs to seek help. We don't know what the deal is. He's clearly high on some sort of drug or just out of his mind. Like now everybody's tolerance level is just like, ah, well, just kind of keep your head down and maybe they'll go away, right? Just keep your head down. Jeez Louise, I always get my food to go. Probably a good call. And you wonder why in and out shit is closing.

Oh no, this is like a crucial sin. I have Starbucks and not Paper Street right now because I got it on the way home. Fuck, don't tell Gabe, you guys. Brad, acting crazier than tweakers. That's my strategy for surviving Bart. That's a good plan. You just blend in.

You just blend in. I was going to say Brady and blend at the same time. Brady. The problem is if he attacks you and you defend yourself, they will lock your ass up. Damn right. That one dude on the New York subway got that guy in a rear naked chokehold and like choked him out and then he ended up, the guy that

was acting all crazy like ended up dying and then they tried to prosecute the dude who like choked him unconscious. It's like, dude, what's the toxicology report on that guy that he choked unconscious? I bet you he's got fucking enough fentanyl running through his veins to kill everybody, right? Jawade. Jawad? Is it jawad jawad in and out restaurant in his mental state okay cool i always click on anybody

who i think is like new to that i don't normally see on here mariah that's it. I'm calling Gabe. Please don't. Please, please don't. And then here's the scariest thing that I came across the internet. Here is the absolutely, and you guys should all be terrified. By the way, too, I'm not sure about the dick butter I'm new. Yeah, right. Fentanyl on a toxicology report doesn't mean anything. That's right. They only search for one thing.

We know what that is. The C word. Died with. Okay, this is something you guys should be fearful. And if any of you have grown children that are going to college, ask yourself, is this acceptable to you? You guys probably already know where I'm going with this. I paused for a minute because I was recently over my family member's house on Saturday and

they were talking about putting together some finances for a kid's college fund. And I was thinking to myself, shit, do people still consider that? Because they just had a baby. So it's like, you know, whatever. Fast Track is 18 plus years away from going to college. It's like, are we still, like, is it still, I mean, obviously save for your kid's future, like find some sort of investments or something. But for college, like, it's a little sketchy. So here we go. This is our highly educated activists here at what this is called is the gaza graduation i think he goes to a couple different colleges so i was a graduation let's see how much students actually know what they

stand for if you get them right you win a hundred dollars first question have you guys chanted from the river to the sea yes okay which river which sea the sea of so you don't know the answer? No. The answer was the Mediterranean. And then if you guys notice, he's putting in the cost of tuition next to it. Cost of tuition. Heidi Crum, welcome to the show.

What's up, Chachat? And the Jordan. What does Hamas say their number one goal is according to their charter? They just want a free Palestine. To murder all Jews around the world. How many years did Israel occupy Gaza? Late 1800s, the entire time.

Since 1948. It was actually under Egyptian control for the first 20 or so years. And then Israel actually left Gaza in 2006. I'm shocked. Wait, they left? What is the definition of Zionist? Doesn't that mean you hate Palestinians, right? Jewish people who think that Judaism is the highest race.

Zionism actually just means that you think Jews are entitled to having their own homeland to protect themselves from another Holocaust. You don't even have to be Jewish. That makes you a Zionist. Okay. What does Antifa revolution mean? I don't know what that means. But you've chanted it?

Yeah. It's like a global call to murder Jews. Wow. Wow. Did you know you said that? Nope. Would you say it again? Probably not.

How much have our foreign adversaries donated to American universities in the last decade? No idea. I couldn't give you a number on that. The answer was over six billion. How many Gazan refugees have the Arab neighboring countries let in in the last few months? 35,000.

The answer was zero. Look, you asked an education major about... Students don't seem to know what they stand for. So wouldn't it be great if these expensive colleges actually taught them something? Amazing. Amazing. That's the funniest part about the, you know, like, uh, I talked a little bit about, I can't remember if it was you guys or not. It might've been the call that we had on Friday. If you guys aren't already on the school platform that we set up for affiliate owners and for coaches, you guys go over there. I was talking about it on the call on Friday that we had inside the platform.

And I was like, look, as CrossFitters, our skill in selling could be really low, but our conviction is always really high. You might not have the whole... Have you guys heard this sales tactic before where they're like, Oh, cool. We're going to fill out the, the profile here to make your software. Like, let me see your ID. Then they get their ID. So you could input all their information. And then that way they've already like opened up their wallet. You've already kind of rehearsed them pulling out a credit card. And then when you hand them back your ID, you say, cool. Now, which card did you want to save on your profile?

And then it's a natural kind of like, Oh, my wallet's already out. I guess I'm just going to switch and then hand you the credit card. And basically what you're doing there is you're putting their card into the system. They're already kind of like committing. And then on top of that, you've already kind of overcome the objection of like, oh, I was just finding out information. Oh, I didn't want to sign up today. Or, oh, I left my wallet at home. Now, the deal with that is it feels a little gross because you're like, did they really want to sign up? Or is this more of a high-pressure situation? As opposed to CrossFitters, we have none of those tactical skills usually. We're just like, it's the best. Trust me, everything in your life will get better. So the conviction is really high. the best. Trust me, everything in your life will get better. So the conviction is really high, but our tactical sales skills are maybe low. And that's how I feel about these college students. It's like their skills to actually perform anything in the real world, productive or contribute seem to be really low. But their conviction for like, yes, we are helping people is really high. And it's just like, dude, imagine if you channeled that energy to something, A, that's going

to affect your life. B, would affect your family, people closest to you. And C, affected your local community. Imagine if all that conviction and all of this energy and resources were pushed into bettering yourself, bettering your immediate family, and bettering your local community around you. Instead, they're all held up in tents on fucking government loans, protesting something that they have zero knowledge about and just like really high on the conviction like these people are being harmed and like this is the cause that i'm going after i don't know i just found it

crazy like you're gonna it's like this is your fuck like speaking to the protesters like this is your life like you're choosing to spend your time probably somebody else's money but your time into something that you don't even really fully know about. You can't even have an intelligent conversation about what's happening, but yet you could live inside this tent inside campus and think that you're actually righteous and being an activist. It's nuts. It's absolutely nuts. What's up, Bod? I'm guessing Brian's show is over. Since you're here now, I saw that they were live right before I went live.

Jeez Louise, I have student loans. Get them motherfuckers paid off, dog. Get them paid off. Trish, here's the deal. I'll be very honest about this. I don't know what's happening. Air horn to that as if it's exciting. I don't know.

And I'm not here to lend an opinion on the Israel Gaza situation just to like throw my hat into the fucking thing. That's like the new upcoming thing we need to talk about. It was like Ukraine and Israel and I mean, uh, Ukraine and Russia, and then we shifted and now it's like Palestine, um, Gaza and Israel. Right. So no, I'm not going to lend an opinion on that. What I will lend an opinion on is coaching, running a CrossFit affiliate, stuff in the media space, things that I actually do and know about that I feel that I could make some sort of positive contribution with, not just like super high in my conviction about something I'm not really sure about.

about something I'm not really sure about. So there you go. That's how I answer that, right? Okay. Maybe one more of these. I'm trying to see which one I want to play and then we'll get into that coaching discussion. Oh, not that one. We'll leave that up though. Bread. Is it lights? Sometimes I shorthand these notes and like then i forget what exactly oh okay this is just something um oh hold on you don't want that either so nice what the fuck lights wild this is wild what is wild what is wild yeah that dude was wild um okay we'll go we'll transition into this we'll go congrats okay check this out this fucking kid have you guys seen this before this dude crushes this this is the amazing look at the likes right. You can already tell by the likes in this corner.

Have you guys seen this? Oh, my gosh. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Today, we're going to be watching Cabela's Lights Turning Off. I'm just waiting for Cabela's Lights to turn off. And it's a nice store because they've got boats, fishing, clothes, and all those other sporting goods. And it has a good ceiling lights up there. Great description. So let's watch the lights turn off. oh they turned off okay like and subscribe goodbye have a good day just some wholesome content nothing really that adds it there it was funny i enjoyed it i also

thought that it was just crazy how some of that stuff gets engagement and then also clearly that whoever's filming like probably his parents or whatever, like prompted him like, Hey, the lights are off. And then he still turned and did like this, like, Oh,

like he was like surprised. I also think about like the context behind this, right? Like did that kid like watch something on YouTube and he's like, I want to be a YouTuber. And his parents were like, okay, what are you going to YouTube about?

He's like, I'm going to watch lights turn off at superstores. And they're like, okay. And next thing you know, they're out there like supporting I'm going to watch lights turn off at superstores. And they're like, okay. And next thing you know, they're out there supporting their kid and he's filming and making his thing and doing it. I don't know. I thought that's cool. It's random.

Greg Glassman, the fuck is this? Yeah, I get it. It's random. It's random. CrossFit Liberator. Came across this five days ago. I think they open in 15 days from this post or something like that. I like this for two reasons. Number one, check them out. This is the life as an affiliate owner, guys. This is it. Just him fucking unrolling his sign across that.

Proud as hell. There it is. It's official. He's a CrossFit gym. Stoked. Got it up there. Space looks kind of interesting. I'm curious to see the inside of it. There it is. I just thought that that was cool for two reasons. Just because sometimes people think it's fancier than it is, like opening a gym, or maybe you don't. Maybe you totally get it, but you wear every hat. You're the dude. You're putting up your sign. You're standing on the ladder. His buddy is possibly helping out, but just more so just standing there. And that's it. There ain't nothing fancy about it. You just roll up your sleeves and you get to work. And you get to work. And so I just thought that that was cool.

But here's what else I thought was cool. Look at this comment. Scott Pancheck. Let me know if you ever need some help with gym management. Oh, he's selling something. Congrats. There we go. That was what I wanted to do. He got back in my head. My bad. That kind of did him dirty there. I meant to show the one where he said congrats,

and I was going to say that, but clearly I blew that. Anyhow, cool. Okay, Odd uses StreamFit. There you go. Approved by Odd. I thought that that was cool. Okay. Odd uses StreamFit. There you go. Approved by Odd. I thought that that was cool. Okay. So let's try this out, guys. Let's try the new phone number here. I'm going to put it into the... Which is funny because I had Grace test it for like try it like test it for me and I almost typed in her number and I've been sitting here being like yeah the phone's not working I don't get it

and then she would have been blown up with all these calls where is my ability to we should really get this down sooner. Wait. Oh, banners. Here we go. Here we go. Create a new banner. Live call in. Who is going to test this for me?

It's 925-310-9340. Scroll across the bottom. Add the banner. Add the banner. All right. there we go. This makes it official. It's a back and forth live call and podcast now. If anybody wants to call, you always get the pass on the free call

because you just get to test it and be like, hey, you said to test the phone. I got over my fear and I tested the phone. And I'm like, Cool. Thanks for calling in. Shit, did it connect? Okay, we should be squared away. Okay. So if any of you guys want to call in on the topic of discussion here, I'm going to be talking about the difference in my opinion, of course, and I'd love to get your guys' opinion. Oh, here we go.

First caller. Hold on, caller. I have to transfer you to the roadcaster. Caller, hello. What's your name? Where are you calling from? Jeff, Jeff Birchfield, Texas. Just giving you a test call.

Mr. Birchfield, thank you so much, sir. I appreciate it. You bet. How's life? How's life, my man? Yeah, thank you. One more quick question.

How's life? How are you doing right now? Life is good. I'm about six days away from retirement, so it's great. Oh, dude. Airhorn for that one. Congrats, brother. Hey, thanks for calling and testing the phone and always being such an awesome part of the show, dude.

Super appreciate you. You bet, man. So whenever I get more time, maybe I can be a little bit bigger part. Yes, sir. Please do. And congrats on retirement again. All right. All right, brother. All right. Thanks, man. Thank you. Later.

Bye. See, wasn't hard, guys. We got it going. Birchfield, about to retire. That's awesome. Congratulations. Birdfield, about to retire. That's awesome. Congratulations. So here's the situation. Okay. We got two different types of coaches is the way I see it. And you guys could bucket this into two categories really quick walking into a CrossFit gym, really quick. It takes about, I don't know, maybe a minute to decipher, maybe shorter. Are you a coach? to decipher, maybe shorter, are you a coach or are you just a lifeguard on duty? So let's break that down. What does that mean? Asymmetric readers, what does that mean? He's talking about retirement, Jeff Birchfield, but it means he doesn't have to show up at a scheduled

time each day. He just gets to do what he wants. Here's the difference. Coach is somebody who's actively participating in the class and with the members. So what I mean by that is you walk into the room and you know who's the commanding presence. You could tell right away, hey, there's a coach here. This person's voice is loud. They're moving everybody across the room. They have this presence that they're in charge. And we are following them. And I always say that if I can't hear the coach as I come into the gym, right? So I'll give you guys the markers that we like to use at CFL. And these are just super quick checklists, like a little flight plan. Like, hey, did you hit all these during your hour today? And if not, we got some

work to do. We got some opportunity for improvement. And so when you walk in, it's like, do you know who's in charge right away? Can you hear them as you come into the room? Do they have this type of presence? And oh, wait, here's my favorite troll. Damn. Brian have more viewers that Sousa. That's a swing and a miss. That's a swing and a miss. Of course they're talking about fucking CrossFit and box jumps. And you guys really care about that. I just ramble about random shit. The fact that I got 94 people here is a fucking miracle, including you, David. I know you got your meat in your hand right now watching me on TV. So when you walk in, they have this presence.

They're leading the room. They're the ones that are in charge. They're telling you, hey, go grab your barbell. Hey, let's set up here. Guys, we're arranging the room this way. I need to be able to see everybody, right? And when you have a lifeguard on duty, they might kind of give you the whiteboard warmup.

But when they do it, they typically are just reading what's on the board. And that's always the first sign of like, uh-oh, this isn't going to be as of effective class. If they're just reading it, they're not telling you the information that isn't there. What do you expect? How is it should feel? What weight should it be? What time should you expect to get on this? How many rounds should we expect to get? Do I go a little bit heavier? Do I go moderate? You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? And so that should be your first tell.

The second tell is, are they commanding the room? Meaning, are they saying like, okay, go in, get your stuff. Here we go. Meet me by the door. We're going to start with this warmup, right? Or do they just flip the board around and then say, go ahead and grab your barbell, guys. I'm going to set the timer. We're just going to go through this warmup. Now, even if you do that,

you could still have a presence in the class, meaning like, here's the warmup that's written on the board. I'm going to set the timer. And now I'm still moving around and engaging with everybody. And if it's typically them just moving through some general movements just to get the blood flowing, get their mind right

and get everything fired up for the workout, then that's still a time to engage. Hey, how are you feeling? Hey, did you come in on Monday? Hey, did you do all the wall balls yesterday? Hey, did you end up doing that power clean workout? How are you shouldered from that? So there's still time to engage, even if they're running through something that's just kind of written out or a simple run and do some burpees or run and do some air squats to get the blood flowing. So you could still have some sort of engagement. You could still kind of control the class there. Now, for us, that's one of the main things is do you have presence?

Have you checked in with everybody? Names are huge. This was an old Bergeron thing, which probably means it was a Glassman thing because as we know, Ben Bergeron has just ripped shit off from books and from Greg Glassman from years and doesn't give credit where credit's due and then presents it as his own material. Side rant. And it was using your name, the person, your member's name, at least two to three times, whoever's in front of you. Right? there and I got 10 people in the class. I'm coming through and I'm saying, hey, Rambler, what's up, man? How are you doing? Jeez Louise, great job. Hey, keep that back a little bit straighter. Keep that chest a little taller in that deadlift. Odd, what's up? How are you doing today? Good to see you in the class. You're using their name. You're engaging them as a person, as a human. You're letting them know like, hey, I see you in class and I'm using your name and

you're here and there's a personal connection with this. The second thing on the flight plan list is if you have a point of focus, like let's say the workout is snatches in bar facing burpees, right? So clearly the snatches is going to be the point of focus in that day's workout. So if the snatches are the focus, what are the two points of performance that you're covering? And some of the biggest mistakes coaches make when they first start is they think that they have to tell you everything about the lift from the start. Okay, guys, put your feet underneath your hips. Okay, first bring the barbell down.

And you're just like, holy shit, dude, like we've all snatched before. And if you haven't, and it's your first time, you're just going to confuse the shit out of them trying to give everything at one rate, right? So pick your two points of performance that day. And then just drill that, drill that, drill that. Hopefully, you're starting with a PVC pipe or an empty barbell. By this time, hopefully, you've already ran them through a little mobility, a little stretching period, made sure everything at the end ranges in motion, feels okay, and we moved around a little bit. And then you have your two points of performance.

And for the love of God, Adam, they do not need to be jump and catch. Please do not make it jump and catch. Jump and shrug. Jump and shrug. Don't do that. Give something a little bit more actionable, right? And try to change it up each time. Try to change it up each time. And then break it down into small steps too. So that way you can kind of build up almost in a warmup. So anyhow, we have presence. You're loud. People know who's in charge of the room.

We have saying the member's name at least twice, if not three times throughout the whole entire hour of the class. And then we have our two points of performance. What am I picking today? What's the main thing that we're going after? Is it a lift? Is it a movement? And then what are the two points of performance that I'm going to be covering during that time?

And so that's basically the way it starts out. Now, a lifeguard on duty, they haven't done shit. They haven't done any of that. They haven't really used anybody's name, or maybe they just kind of gravitate towards their homies in the class, like the couple people that they're friends with. So now they just sit off to the side and let it go. Maybe they've simply transferred or just hit the clock or something. There's not a lot of engagement. Then after we get into the strength portion of it,

or your lifting side of things, after your... Adam, that is the famous Bergeron curl. Jump shrug. Jump shrug. Jump catch. No, you're totally right. You're totally right. I was just joking around because it was just so... Like the Bergeron warm up and things like that have gotten so used and used and used again that it's lost a little bit of its... It's lost a little bit of its intentionality there. Bernie Gannon, what about the history of the Lyft, Greeks or Romans? That's how important...

Okay, yeah, exactly. We don't need all of that, right? We don't need all of that. Unsporty Beth, shut the fuck up. How do you not know this is my show? It's 11 a.m. on a goddamn Tuesday. This is the 12th week.

And you come in with, where's the fun? Jesus. Immediately in jail. And once you've given the points of performance, teach it. Each person inside your class

should have at least some sort of feedback from you. Have you had a touch point? And I always relate this back to the restaurant. I used to bartend and serve at a restaurant. And they used to call it table touch. Have you gone by and touched every table, made contact multiple times, things like that. And that's the same thing that you need to do in your strength portion. Did everybody receive some sort of feedback or some sort of adjustment on their lift, right? And sometimes if you have somebody who just moves really well in that class, you might just literally just go over and just say, hey, great job. I see you've improved from the last time we did this position or whatever the case may be. And then maybe that's good enough for that individual for that day. Oftentimes too,

you might find a member that maybe just like, you go to give them a cue and they're like, I don't want to deal with it today. I'm just here to move. And they'd be like, great, cool. And then help them out with that, whatever that is, or maybe dial back your teaching in that portion and dial up the fact of like, awesome. So how was your day? You know, just have a quick little touch point there. Adam, how much coffee is running through Susan's veins today? Your energy is amazing.

Tons of coffee, dude. And I've coached four classes right before this and got the line set up and put all my links in and made like three calls back. So like called three people. So I feel like I'm just like 10 out of 10 hyped right now. Odd. Sousa was my bartender at the camp party at the games.

It was wonderful. Oh, that's true. I ran the keg. Forgot about that. Sousa's unhinged Daniel. Dan, what's up, dude? Sousa's unhinged rants occur randomly in the middle of the show instead of the end. This is true. You're already 25 minutes to the class into this point. I'm dragging this out a little bit.

Yeah, typically by now we're not that far into it. So do they have some sort of... Did you give some sort of touch point, right? So we have the whiteboard debrief. You told them what was not on the board, what they can't just read on their own. You have a presence in the class. You're commanding it. You gave your two points of performance. You use their name three times during the class. Now you've given some sort of touchpoint, some sort of feedback to each individual member. Now, as you transition into the metabolic conditioning, your conditioning piece,

you've done a second check back with everybody. Hey, do we have the scale appropriate for this? Do you know what you're doing for the handstand pushups? Okay, awesome. Hey, did you decide on the weight that you wanted to use? Cool. You're going to go 55, but we're going to set it up so you could strip the barbell if you need halfway through. You've gone back around and touched on everybody again. Touched everybody again, which I'm sure... Touch and point. Got it. That's right. Jake Chapman, gay. I don't know if coaching has a sexual preference.

And then when the MetCon starts, one of the biggest pet peeves that I have in classes is the coach usually just recedes to the background. So the music's up, the timer's going, your people are all moving with intensity now. Hopefully, they're utilizing some of the tips and different things that you've given them at the beginning of the class. And then I just hate when all of a sudden they just recede back of the class. And then I just hate when all of a sudden they just like recede back to the background and it's just quiet. So we have two,

uh, two separate things that gives us just a little bit of a checklist throughout the Metcon. There's a specific cue and there's general cueing. Okay. Specific cue and general cueing specific is to the person. Hey, Brady, keep your chest up a little bit. A little bit lower in those wall balls. Hey, keep the bar closer. It's specific. I'm saying it to a person. Most likely I'm using their name. There's some sort of eye contact and acknowledgement. Then a general cue might just be, hey, we're five minutes in. Or like, breathe. You could always say that at any point in time. But it's just some general address to the class. The other thing too is I talk about when the music

turns down or when it's in between songs. That's a great point or chance for you to step in to kind of like regrain some presence there. So the music slows down. And then you're some presence there, right? So the music slows down and then you're whatever, 10 more minutes, five minutes in, two minutes left. Great job guys. Keep going. Whatever the case might be, you kind of probably have your go-tos, but don't let the whole class get quiet at that point. That is your time to lean in. That shooza is on the nose candy. Nope. That was the bartending days. That was the bartending. Corey, my classes are never quiet. I'm the nose candy. Nope. That was the bartending days. That was the bartending. Corey, my classes are never crowded. I'm not as fucked. Good. Dude, presence in classes matters so much. So much. Boost morale between songs. Exactly, Ernie. That's right. That's your chance to throw your voice back out there. Let them know that you're kind of like... I like to use the term

early in like I'm in the workout with them. So i might stay in there and you know count a rep or two or or just remain present while they're over them or if you see them resting for a long period of time go over and be like okay here we go three seconds three two one pick up the wall ball we're back in it whatever the case may be but if you aren't if you don't have some sort of flight plan, some sort of checklist in something that you're touching base with all the members throughout the class, throughout the whole entire hour, then are you even really coaching or are you just more or less lifeguard on duty?

Yes. Another call. Hold on one second. Call her. Call her. Hello. Your name and where you're calling from. I'm calling from Hawaii.

Is this Seth? This is Seth. Seth, what's up, dude? How are you doing? What's up? Did I just ouch you? Did you just want to be random from Hawaii and now I totally blew your cover? No, dude.

No, you can totally blow my cover. It's one of my favorite topics. Awesome. So what's going down? You got an opinion on this question, pushback. What are you thinking? Yeah, man. So I always, I'll tell you,

one of my biggest struggles with coaching and some of the context that you gave is when you actually interfere with an athlete's like Metcon, their intensity, depending on some of the more challenging like workouts you're going for, like you could use Fran as an example. You want to give feedback, you know, the pulps might not look good, the depth of the thruster, like something could be horribly wrong. When do you actually step in to slow somebody down and make the correction versus when is it good enough?

Like Glassman used to say the A minus movement and you just let them go, give them corrections after. I always struggle with that like sweet spot of finding when to stop somebody from applying that intensity to adjust their movement. Or yeah. So basically that whole thing is kind of the balance that I'm always trying to figure out how to ride and I have tried to figure that out forever. Yeah. I mean, that's a great question. And, and you know, the, the answer to it is always like, it depends, right. Which is

kind of like a famous coach answer that everybody gives. Um, but I, here's what I do. I usually give a three rep rule. And so what I mean by that is if let's like, let's say it's a thruster and the example that you were using. Right. And, um, so you kind of saw like, Ooh, it was looking a little sketch. So you go over, you might, they might be written a resting period. So you're like, Hey, on this next one, make sure that we're sitting back on the heels and keep that chest up. Like we're, the chest is really diving forward and, and, uh, the bars looping out when you go to push it overhead, it's going to be bad for your back. So they like okay and then first rep maybe gets a little bit closer second rep it's not closer the third rep i'm like okay we're stripping this barbell down let's lose

some weight on this right but if you see in that first rep they're like closer the second rep they've tightened it up you're like okay the third rep it looks better they've they were able to make some adjustment then you're like okay this is probably going to be good to go take a couple breaths pick your sets and and i'll let them usually hang on to the weight or whatever it is um and then with any gymnastic stuff like i'm a real stickler when it comes to just full range of motion so if all of a sudden you start to see them you know they wanted to go with the handstand push-ups for today and you're like okay we'll see how it goes and the next thing you know it's just like falling apart and they're doing just a little elbow head bob and they're calling it a push-up then i'll be like okay let's jump back to the

you know the pike or whatever you were working on prior yeah i i totally i i think i can get down with that and i think the biggest thing is like obviously you you touched on this already is setting them up for this ahead of time and I think like being more firm with athletes before they actually start the workout themselves is because like you you know your athletes you know what they're capable of especially the ones that come all the time so like being a little tougher as a coach and choosing the modification for them maybe more often if they're the overly ambitious type to make sure that you're setting them up for success rather than letting them okay as a coach in choosing the modification for them, maybe more often if they're the overly ambitious type to make sure that you're setting them up for success rather than letting them, okay,

we'll just let you try it again. We'll let you try it again. Let you try it again. And each time they're coming up short, as opposed to just setting them up with that movement that delivers the range of motion, the intensity and the stimulus. I feel like a lot of coaches might be afraid to step in and make those calls for people out of fear of what the athlete may like or not like about your decision making. But I think that's part of being, you know, the leader and being the presence in the gym at that point. And that's sort of where I like, take, you know, try to take charge versus trying to correct things mid workout. Dude, 100%. I mean, you nailed it. And so I ripped this off from the seven habits of highly

effective people or successful people. It is the Stephen Covey book. And I call it the mature coach. And we use it as a model that we actually go through with any new coach or intern or anything like that. And I actually ripped it off exactly. And the definition of a mature coach is the correct amount of courage and consideration. And it's the balance between those two things. So just like you said, right? Like you want to have the courage to do the right thing as a coach, step in, kind of have the hard conversation if you need to, or make the

adjustments that the person in front of you may or may not like. But you also have to have the consideration of like, okay, how are they going to take this? How is it going to affect them during this workout? You know, what type of nuance do I need to have when I approach this person? So that way, this interaction and this conversation goes well, right? Yeah. And that just takes building rapport with them over time.

So the more consistent that athlete is in the gym, the better you can build that rapport and then the more trust they have in you. So you probably need less courage at that point once you build trust. A hundred percent, dude. And you know how it is. When you have those long-term members that you have a great professional relationship with and stuff,

you could get away with murder, right? If I've worked together with you for years and then I see something and I'm like, Seth, what the fuck, dude? That looked terrible, bro. Come on, come on. Get down there in that squat. You and I both know I'm not ragging on you in that way. You're kind of like, come on, get down there in that squat. Like you and I both know, like I'm not ragging on you in that way.

You're kind of like, okay, all right, he's right. Shit, I do need to go lower, right? And so you're 100% correct in your thinking. Like the more trust, the more, you know, rapport you build with your members and with your athletes that are in front of you, the much easier these conversations and interactions are going to go.

Cool. All right, bro. I just want to try out this phone experience and see what it was like on this end. So that was a, that was fun. Thanks for inviting me on.

Absolutely. Hit me up afterwards. If you, uh, I'll show you how to get the free number. Um, and, you could set up if you ever want to dabble on your show too.

You might need to upgrade that. Uh, you might need to upgrade your soundboard a little bit, but, uh, I probably have a lot of upgrades I need to do at some point. But anyway, right on dude.

Thank you. Appreciate it. We'll talk to you later. Bye. Yeah. Seth has a great point there. And like, when do you step in?

And, um, he hit the nail on the head. It's like, if you've done your job ahead of time, you're already proactive in any type of adjustments or corrections that might need to be made. And if you have something where they're in between, like maybe they could kind of do the weight, but it's like, you're going to say, okay, hey, we're going to start at this, but I might strip you down to this. So just be prepared. If we start missing depth, then we're going to take the wait. And then they know you've set the expectation ahead of time.

It's so huge to set your expectations out ahead of time. Caller, hello. Welcome to the show. What's your name? Where are you calling from? Hey, Susan. It's Nathan from Arkansas. Nathan, what's up, man? How you doing? I have a question for you. This is a great discussion. I love the show. I think these are important conversations. I'm learning a lot.

I have a question. Awesome. Yeah, what's up? I'm going to dive into this. Yes. So we've got like two ends of the spectrum. I'm interested in your take on this. two ends of the spectrum i'm interested in your take on this is are members more impressed by knowledge or are they looking for like an emotional intelligence of how they want to be coached you know you can really miss somebody by over coaching where you can say the wrong thing

and when they're in the middle of their workout. I think you kind of addressed that. We're looking at two broad ends of the spectrum. Which do you think is more impactful and effective? Displaying knowledge or having that emotional intelligence to know when to hold back or know when to go in? Yeah, great question. It's 100% when you first start out. Now, this is always going to depend on the individual in front of you. It's 100% when you first start out. Now, this is always going to depend on the individual in front of you. But to my experience, the mass majority are going to care way more about your emotional intelligence than they care about any technical skill you might provide them. And if I... I agree.

The temperature. Yeah. You got from your 5 a.m. class, your 4.30 class, and you know those different groups and how they respond. Like when someone wants you to crank the music, 5 a.m class your 4 30 class and you know those different groups and how they respond like when someone wants you to crank the music 5 a.m they just they want you to get them through a workout it seems like it's a delicate touch and a little dance back and forth between displaying knowledge and being able to give like that one i lean on one cue a day uh for a workout and yep leaning into that at different points throughout those uh those workouts yeah i mean you're 100 right like you're you're gonna give some sort of technical thing but when somebody first comes in especially if we're

talking about somebody who's who's new to right? Um, half of your technical knowledge about, you know, hips and hip function in a proper squat is probably going to go over their head a little bit, unless they have some sort of background in, you know, training or exercise science, or they were a coach in their past. Right. Um, so typically it's all going to be about emotional intelligence. It's all going to be about allowing them to start to drop their guard a little bit and become comfortable with being vulnerable in front of you and then therefore in front of the group. And so when people first come in with me, it's all about investing into that emotional intelligence side and then finding the

cadence in which they want to ramp up their intensity or their weights? Are they ready to receive more information at that time? But that's typically where I would start it out with is focusing way more on the emotional intelligence side of stuff. And then once you've really developed the trust and the rapport with this individual, then you start to really move more into your tactical skills of coaching stuff. The other thing I will say too, is sometimes that flips completely. I've had a few people that are like, Oh, I've heard about this CrossFit and I've been doing whatever and they have their kind of background knowledge. And then in which case, I'll present more of the technical side forward than I will necessarily the emotional intelligence. But again, it's just based off the person who's in front of you.

Yeah, start dosing them up. So get the buy-in. And then once that trust is gained, start showing them a fine print. 100%. And then they're ready to receive it. Because in the back of their mind, if you come into a brand new CrossFit gym, most people, there's so much stimulus. They're looking around.

They're like, holy shit, look at all these people. These guys are, you know, look at all the weight that they're putting on their bar over there. I don't even know what this movement is. Like, is everybody looking at me? I feel so stupid. I don't know what's happening, right? So, like, you have to first calm those internal voices inside their head down. And then when they're like, when that's set to ease and they're like, okay, cool.

I trust this guy. I feel comfortable here. Now you could really start to lean in and give the technical stuff for sure i appreciate that take awesome hey nathan thanks so much for your call is it your birthday today somebody the comment said it's your birthday is your birthday it's my birthday dude you get double air horns for the birthday and a little applaud there. Happy birthday, brother. Wow. Thanks for calling in.

I appreciate it. All righty. Bye. Take care. Yeah, that's a great question. And a lot of times, too, guys, if you start hard with all the technical stuff that you know, majority of the time it just goes right over an individual's head, right? They're just like, what?

The knee's out because I lean to load through the hip externally to keep my knees safe, but I lack ankle flexion? What? Like nobody's really going to be able in a position to receive that. Okay, so we'll move on. I love doing the coaching discussion. So this isn't going to be the last one of these. I'll pick certain things that we could like talk about, but, uh, I, I love, I love the coaching. I love like, like really diving into the classroom experience. Like how could we make that better? Um, how can we further serve the

members and athletes in front of us? And really what I enjoy doing is onboarding like a lot of our new coaches or having discussions with new coaches. Because I really look back at like when I started and I started coaching and outside of the CrossFit Journal, there wasn't like a ton of stuff in the space at first. Like I remember I bought, and it's somewhere around here, I got to get it. I remember like I bought a book on Olympic weightlifting because at the time there was like the old Cal strength videos with like Donnie Shankle and some old Glenn Penlay videos, but then there wasn't that much else. So I just really enjoy like giving all that information of like, Hey, what, what, what I wish I would

have known this when I first started, or how do you teach this? Or how do you overcome, you know, somebody who's just not getting it? What do you do? What type of tactics do you use? Bernie, I like your question. I wish you would call in. I don't know why. I feel like the call in is more intimate in the question. Matt, what was your most challenging coaching experience? Most challenging coaching experience. That's a great question. I've worked with all sorts of people. And in fact, I'm, I am working with a woman who had a spinal injury about two years ago. It is now starting CrossFit in a wheelchair. So that's going to be a new experience. I've worked with a WMPT before, but he stayed in his prosthetics. He wasn't in a chair. he stayed in his prosthetics. He wasn't in a chair. So I like things like that, that challenge my knowledge or my creativity in the movements. But I would say it's dudes in their 40s who used to play some sort of like Division II in college that hasn't done shit since the last time they stepped on the field except for drink beer and eat processed foods.

And now he's coming in 50 or 60 pounds overweight, doesn't really want to hear what I have to say and wants to push the weights and their ability a little bit further than they are that day. And then trying to humble them and be like, yeah, you can't deadlift the 225. Well, I used to deadlift 405 in college.

Well, fuck, it looks like your 225 looks like trash and it hurts my back just watching you. So let's take it down to 135. So typically brushing up against those egos, it's typically dudes that played low-level college sports that haven't done anything in 10 years. But they've been protecting their ego for the last 20 in terms of thinking they're still athletic. Sorry, dude. Use it or lose it. You're not. Okay.

Final subject. I'm just going to touch on this as we transition here. Frozen. I froze. Did I freeze? My internet seems fine. I don't think so. Philip Kelly.

They eat ass too, bro. I don't know why I thought that was so funny. But that's good. Hi, caller. Welcome to the show. What's your name? Where are you calling from?

Hey, it's Corey. Corey, what's up, man? How are you doing? How's it going? Doing fantastic. My brother's doing fantastic. I was going to mirror what you said. From a coaching perspective, the hardest ones in the world are the dudes that come in, play some sort of, or even, as you said, division two.

Oh, I played in high school. I was fantastic in college. And, oh, I can do all of this stuff. Yep. What I have found that works, usually within, but you got to get it within the first week or two, is to let let it happen naturally oh okay you want to okay sure absolutely you go ahead and clean 155 let's see how that

fucking works out for you yeah and when they're laying on that ground make sure they don't get hurt you know what i'm saying right don't let them do anything with point like we're not doing a four or five we're not we know you're a or five deadlifts today but let them do something that is immensely fucking stupid where they end up laying on their back and like you know the 95 year old grandma in the corner just finished four minutes ahead of them and just be like and that's something i learned from the dude that's my for my coaching uh mentors is that sometimes you gotta let them figure it out on their own. Oh yeah, no, maybe I shouldn't be doing like this. Yeah, dude, I'm not coaching you to try and make you look like an asshole.

I'm trying to help you so that you don't look like an asshole. You know what I'm saying? And you got to kind of feel that out within the first couple of days because they come in there with that attitude like, Oh yeah, I see, you know, the 115 pound, you know,

division one cheerleader who just graduated fucking college. Phenomenal. No, you can't. You really, really can't. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, that's that's uh yeah thank you for that input you're you're absolutely right like once you triage you're like okay they're not going to really like hurt themselves but they're going to go way slower than the intent of the stimulus here and i know the weight that they're cleaning is going to just kill them over time right in a good way like aerobically not like like you said we're not risking injury here but you're absolutely right and i've done that before too where you're kind of watching it and you're like, dude, that's like

almost max effort on that power clean. And you're going to do, you know, five rounds of 10 of those. All right, let's see how that goes. And you know, like halfway through, they started giving that look when you look at them and they're just looking around the room, right? Like, shit, I'm not even out on the run yet. I still got five more of these and everybody's way out ahead of me. And then, you know, you both kind of share that look of like, yep, I told not even out on the run yet. I still got five more of these and everybody's way out ahead of me. And then, you know, you both kind of share that look of like, yep, I told you this was going to come. They're like, okay, damn.

Yeah. But that's solid advice. Yeah, dude, I've been in a class where we had two new people, a husband and a wife, come in and when the husband was in there after the wife had been there for like a month, came in on a Saturday morning.

Dude thought he was going to be, you know, I play basketball at a rec center and blah, blah, blah, whatever. And we were doing Kelly. One of our owners was coaching that morning, and halfway through, she, like, took his wall ball away. She flipped the box over. You know what I'm saying? Yep.

Yep. He was intent on, oh, I can throw a 20-pound wall ball. Yeah, you probably can't. I'm not saying that you can't, but this is a lot of stuff, dude. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, thank you, Corey. Dude, you That's right. Yeah. Well, thank you,

Corey. Dude, you're absolutely right. Sometimes it's just best to let them figure it out on their own, right? And that's okay. That's okay. There's a nuance to it for sure. But yeah, every now and then, just let them learn the hard way, right?

Great job, brother. Thank you, man. Appreciate you calling in, Corey. Bye-bye. Yeah, that's another great point. Sometimes people just got to learn. Sometimes they just got to touch the stove for themselves to realize, oh, shit, that was hot.

Maybe I should have listened to this guy. I saw you ask earlier if we were related. Maybe we are. Do you have four names? Pedro, how do you say that? Marillo. Masadillo de Souza. I don't know.

If I just can't say it right, I just make it into an accent. Greg Glassman, Souza's demographic is the biker gang from Roadhouse. Haven't seen Roadhouse, but cool. Is that a cool? Thank you. Is that it? I don't know.

Jessica, admit I have been humbled that way a time or two. Yes. Matt, has this ever happened to you in the open? First two are first names names last two our family names cool now we're not open um has whatever happened to me in the uh open um or the husbands of women who really like the coaches these guys take things too seriously i could see that being a problem we haven't really had an issue with that at my gym but like yeah if you're the wife has like been doing crossfit then finally got the husband to do it,

you're going to brush up against a little bit of an ego there. That's for sure. That's for sure. I also have Pedro's show up here on my YouTube. So we'll direct you guys over to the finale of Around the Whiteboard with Pedro. Should we just bring him in on screen here? What if my show was just watching other people's shows? And then we could just like, what's it called?

Doxed all the traders. We're like, oh, Augustus left us. Real fucking cool, dude. You over there at Pedro's show? That's cool. That's cool, Alyssa. Anyhow, you guys could go check that out. I got one more piece before I take off here. I'm going to save the second topic for later.

I'm not going to get into that today. But I do want to show you guys this if you haven't already checked it out. Let me go through. Boom, boom, boom. So we have up here. So I put some June challenges in. This one was all about leads. We have some people commenting there. Pick one method of outreach. Focus on it. Track it. So this is for coaches. This is for affiliate owners. It's mostly around media and marketing. We got some best practices with Facebook. We have some meta discussions around leads. I like these. I just dropped in some Glassman videos from the Broken Science website. Some old stuff from the CrossFit Journal. It's completely free. We got 78 of you guys in there. That's crazy. I thought we'd have like 30.

I was like, fuck, 78 people signed up. That's amazing. So you guys can go check that out. Like I said, it's free. It's all about contribution. It's just a bunch of people and they're sharing ideas. I'm not leading with the expertise on anything. I just kind of host it.

And last time we had Joe Neils. Remember when he does 30 for 30? I had him in there. We talked about how that went, why he ended up stopping that, what are some of the obstacles that he came across. We have Jessica. She works for Carlos over at Life Finish. She runs their event planning for their gym, as well as their social media. So I'm going to record a video with her about popular events that are done inside CrossFit gyms. She has like 30 of them. She'll be sharing with the group.

So there's just a bunch of cool stuff in here. You don't need to be an affiliate owner. You don't really need to be a coach either. You could just go sign up. I'm going to drop the link inside the show notes as well as right there in the comments for you guys. So if you're interested in it, you could sign up. Please come in, contribute.

That's pretty much what it is. It's just all about sharing ideas and creating some cool media for our gyms and for our coaches. So next week, we'll go over and I'll be chatting a little bit about CrossFit Games athletes and why your members are not going to the CrossFit Games as competitors, not as spectators. And how we need to treat them like such. So we'll get into that discussion.

And I'm sure I'll be talking a lot about the semifinals. We'll be in Carson, guys. I get there tomorrow. The rest of the crew gets there tomorrow. We'll be doing some fun stuff over there. So if you guys are in Carson, please come say hi. Please come say what's up. Thank you so much for watching, guys.

I appreciate it. Please go check out Pedro's show around the whiteboard. It's the finale. After that, Seth has got Adam Neiffer on in 30 minutes. I would definitely go check that out, especially if they're going to be watching some of the old videos. Adam Neiffer has been on the show multiple times here and just a wealth of knowledge and CrossFit OG-ism.

So go check out Seth's show at SethJumpShip YouTube channel. And in between then, you can check Pedro's show. Hope you guys got something out of it. Thank you for all our callers calling in. Go over to the school platform, sign up. We'll see you there. Adios. Have a great week.

Bye-bye.