The Sevan Podcast - Live Call In w/ Greg Glassman #919

Episode Date: May 18, 2023

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I don't know what's going on. I'm taking up the whole window this morning. Something's different. Something's different. Here I am. Good morning. I was thinking I used to be freaked. Oh, let me see. Maybe I can tweak something over here. I used to freak out in the early days. Back in the day, what if my guest didn't show up and now basically that is the uh that's the show those are the show here here's the josh and sevan show okay not that here's a wadapalooza definitely not that uh this is the oh shit i forgot to do rumble this morning okay error number one already in the books yeah i used to freak out when shit would go sideways. Now it just seems like it's the norm for me.

I haven't checked the comments yet to see if you guys can even hear me. Oh, here it is. Okay. Thong song. Thong song. I need a peptide song. CA Peptides. California Peptides song. To honor my sponsor and paper street coffee and birth fit. I bet your birth fit never thought that they would be, uh, being talked about while the thong song plays in the background, man. Oh man, what are we going to do? What are we going to do to protect these kids? I don't know if protect is the right word, what are we going to do? What are we going to do to protect these kids? I don't know if protect is the right word.

What are we going to do to raise these kids right? What is going on? I'm going to ask Greg a hard question as soon as he comes on today. If he does come on. I don't expect anyone to come on. I don't expect any guests to fulfill their obligations. They're always welcome to come on my show. The invite is out there. I really hope Sarah Sigmund's daughter makes it tomorrow but if she doesn't know her feelings it's not a big deal

it is not a big deal at all i'm a very very easy uh friend confident i can hold my own life's good uh-oh not again uh where are we jake chapman seve i'll have to miss today's live however i'd like to know greg's thoughts on mal situation the thing is is he i would have to explain it to him and how would i explain it a young girl who was supposed to win the games pulled out at the last minute any thoughts on that a hillar's hypothesis a younger athlete suffering psychologically. What does that mean to suffer psychologically? That means when the voices in your head get too loud,

like you have thoughts that are too loud, like you're just chilling, you take a bong rip, and then all of a sudden you have this thought in your head, is someone, is my iPhone watching me? Is my iPhone watching me? And you can't get away from that thought and it's too loud. Is that, that's mental illness? that's um i'm not happy i'm not what i'm wasting my life i'm wasting my life and you can't get away from that thought that's that's mental illness that's the the the

thoughts that are getting loud instead of like being something you're just watching and able to tap into or not tap into they're just they become so loud and you can't accept them for their loudness i don't oh shit the phone's not even hooked up hold on mars well that's good i'm glad he tested this out um let's get this thing hooked up let's get this thing hooked up hold on on, Mars. Your Rodecaster is now discoverable. Let's go over to Bluetooth settings. Man, what a great show. What a great mess. Let's click that.

No, let's click that. Rodecaster connected. There he is. Good morning. Hey, good morning. How are you today? I'm fucking good. I feel good. I'm excited. I'm back in my routine. I love being here.

And we learned something last night. There's a guy who's been helping me out with my show. We were supposed to redesign the whole studio yesterday, but instead we worked on some technical stuff that's going to allow me to get better recordings for better video for social media posts and YouTube and whatnot. So we got that fixed.

Always, always refining. Yeah. We're moving up the leaderboard every day. Yeah, it feels like that. I'm pumped. I'm really pumped. I had two shots of espresso. I got my Paper Street coffee.

My bun went in on the first try. How are you? Oh, hello. Hello, Mars. Oh shit. I just,

wait, wait, wait, wait. Good. Hello. Yeah, there we are.

You got disconnected. I wanted to get this in real quick before Greg called it. That's what your mom said. No, no, sorry. That's what I said to your mom. Alright, that's good.

I do not let your mom peg me. I don't care if that was not a Freudian slip. That's okay. My mom's not Danielle Brandon, so that's alright. You think she pegs her, dude? No, there's somebody who said that you would let Danielle peg you the other day.

So, deep callback. Hey, so I've been wanting Greg to just, if he knows anything about La Sierra PE. Oh, that is a great, that is a great question. Describe. La Sierra physical education program from the 60s. Coach Stan La Prati, car michael california tell me the guy's name again stan what stan lapradi lapradi uh i know greg got go ahead um i'm gonna google it real quick just so i can talk a little more let me uh la sierra high school you don't want to know how i spelled sierra what

sometimes i do the dumbest things two hours yeah i do i put it don't tell anyone i start the first time i wrote it i wrote it sarah c-e-r-a i know how to spell sierra i just i just think weird sometimes um i just don't hear sierra i's an Armenian spelling that you have sometimes. La Sierra High School, Stan LaPradi. Yeah, I don't know if you'll find a lot on Stan LaPradi. If you Google Stan LaPradi, the program is more famous than he is. And I know I talked to one of the guys who did the documentary. I'm not sure if – I don't remember his name,

but they did a documentary about it. I don't know if he has any thoughts on it. I don't have any specific questions other than I just think it's fascinating and wondered why that program got squashed so fast. I mean, I have my suspicions, but JFK was trying to push it like crazy across the US, but it would have been

too much for a public school the insanely difficult standard of history's hardest pe class um that's one of the articles uh i do know that um there was a i've heard greg talk about a time when he would go to and i'm sure he'll talk about it um if and when he jumps on this morning where um uh he would go to parks and that's where he would train that's where he got cut his teeth is that the term becoming a gymnast yeah gymnastics stuff and and uh rigs yeah he said there'd be steel rings just hanging in a park right and the same way kids gathered at like a you know like a uh you know like a um some curb they're not supposed to be grinding on kids would gather at this at these steel rings and take turns doing stupid crazy shit yeah any any question just of the old school

pe class because like pe class in the early 1900s sometimes pretty hardcore too like they had those wooden dowel things on the wall where kids would do like, uh, I don't know, parallettes or whatever you'd call them. You mean pegboard? Pegboard? I don't know. You're really talking about a lot of pegs this morning, aren't you? Pegboard. Pegboard. I was huge. I was huge in the, uh, Oh shit. They even, uh, this website I'm on even shows you what the standards are to get the different

color shorts. Are you on a documentary or website or like on even shows you what the standards are to get the different colored shorts. Are you on the Dr. Henry website or like on Lean Beret's website? I'm on Get Action AOM. Oh, okay. Oh, you're our domain, I guess, there. But look at them. They have intermediate is 10 pull-ups, 32 push-ups, 12 bar dips, 60 sit-ups, standing broad, jump of 6'9", and then blue advanced is 14 pull-ups, 48 push-ups, 12 bar dips, 60 sit-ups, standing broad, jump of six foot nine, and then blue advances, 14

pull-ups, 48 push-ups. Wow, 48 push-ups. That's solid. Well, it's like, it goes all the way up to like gold. Like they're color coded, which is like the interesting thing. I see blue is the highest here. It's called the ultimate athlete.

But you're saying there's one above blue? Yeah, I think gold is the highest. And I think it's kind one above martial arts yeah yeah i think i think gold is the highest and i think it's kind of like martial arts where they start off at one color they work their way up just like you know white belt to blue belt purple belt all that stuff and i guess really motivated the kids in that school and it completely changed the way they interacted there was like virtually no bullying stuff that, because kids had an outlet. Hey, listen to some of these things for the blue. 34 pull-ups.

That's solid. I've never been able to do 34 strict pull-ups. And that's my bread and butter. A bar dip's 52. I don't think I've ever been able to do 52 bar dips. I used to be pretty good at those. Handstand push-ups, 50. I wonder if that's unbroken.

Oh, yeah. First, you had to earn. Oh, no. The gold trunks were like the very firstbroken. Oh, yeah. First, you had to earn. Oh, no. The gold trunks were like the very first ones. Oh, okay. The median and ceiling substandards within the blue level are categorized as their own colors of purple and gold. To test for the navy blue trunks, first, you had to earn your gold trunks. Listen to this. You had to do one-arm burpees.

One-arm burpees. I don't think I've ever even seen those. Have you seen those? I have not seen those. You had to do 26 in 30 seconds. Dude, that's... dude. Have you seen the documentary yourself? No. No. Well, if you ever want to watch it sometime while you're on the elliptical, you go for it. I saw what you did there uh pegboard five trips that's a lot a handstand hold 45 seconds i'm assuming that's free man lifting carry you ready for this logan carry carry another dude or some chick five miles

five miles that's like the top one. That's that's. Yeah. If you want to get the blue, uh, the, the, the mile run, you ready for this?

Five, five, five, 15, five, 15, a five mile jog. You just had to finish.

Um, you had to swim a mile in the prone position. I'm assuming that means that's freestyle, right? Oh no, no, no. That just means any of the strokes, right? Fregy paddle um one mile i feel i feel kind of like advocating

for stuff like this it's kind of like advocating for a libertarian government it all sounds really awesome and really nice but it's like it's like idealized as like the perfect system and it's just going to be almost impossible to ever implement widespread listen to this one bro you ready yeah roll float with arms and ankles tied for six minutes dude be like navy dude uh stay afloat in deep water in vertical position. Use of arms and legs permitted within eight foot circle for two hours. For two hours within an eight foot circle. I don't even know how you'd implement that in a school. I got to get off because I'm not using my loud headset today as courtesy to you.

I've got to hop into a tractor. It's weird how there's callers like you that have to get off. Like, you should be honored. You should be like, oh, my God. No, I love being on. How much longer can I be on? I'm currently waiting here. If I open my door right now,

it's going to sound like a hammer drill going off in the background. Okay, open it, and then let me just get a little sample. All right, sounds good here. Let me just sabotage your sound quality. Let me see. We're going there. Let me hear what happens. Sevan's dog, please feed me.

I fed the dog this morning. I did. How's that? Sounds fine. I can't hear anything. Can't hear it? No, but you started yelling, which means it must be loud there. All right.

Okay, well, fine. There we go. Proved that theory wrong. No, dude, if you could ask Glassman that, I would be so very happy because I just want to hear him talk about it. I don't even know if he knows anything about it. Yeah, he does. He does. Yeah, I'll definitely bring it up.

Yeah. Beautiful. Okay, bye. Hey, it was weird seeing you without your glasses. Make sure you keep your glasses. Okay, thank you. I appreciate it. Okay, bye.

Weird seeing me without my glasses. Thanks. I think it's weird seeing me without my glasses, too. That's kind of why I do it. That's why I take them off. I feel like it's like a brave, it's weird seeing me without my glasses too. That's kind of why I do it. That's why I take them off. I feel like it's like a brave, it's like brave of me. Europa Chronicles 499,

please interview Dan, Danny Hella, Dan Hella, Daniella, Dan Hella, Danny Hella, Hodges. He made a video about her four-year ban for not taking a random drug test,

even though she isn't in the random testing pool. Here's the thing, dude. Here's a couple things I want to say about that. If that video is true, and what I mean by that, if the spirit of that video is true, then anyone to ever do the open moving forward would absolutely be insane. You absolutely cannot do the open if that video is true because basically this chick signed that video basically says that that chick signed up for the open which automatically put her in some drug testing pool that she wasn't aware that

she was put in and because she didn't respond to an email that she got about um taking some drug tests that now on the internet it says somewhere that she's a cheater that she's a steroid user now all of that being said when i watch the video something's wrong with that girl that's not like a um something's wrong with her she she's she's she's as extreme as you could be i would say she has some sort of eating disorder or that she has taken steroids or something. She has some condition, but it's irrelevant. I do believe any of those opinions of mine or just from observation are completely irrelevant. are completely irrelevant. There is no way you want to sign up for the open and then CrossFit can just randomly make a post. Well, let's say they send you an email or call you saying

you need to take a drug test and you don't respond. Then all of a sudden on the internet for the rest of your life, it says you're a cheater that does steroids. Fuck that. And even if it doesn't say that explicitly, everyone who reads what they wrote, that's what they're going to see do not i if crossfit never i hillary needs to bring that up again the week before the open i'd love to see a follow-up video on that why would you do that to yourself it that that is a fucking crazy video do you guys want to see

uh and by the way europa thank you for the money and thank you for bringing that up Why would you do that to yourself? That is a fucking crazy video. Do you guys want to see? And by the way, Europa, thank you for the money and thank you for bringing that up. Europa, Europa. What else did you write on here? Honestly, it doesn't matter if she's clean or not. Yeah, no, it doesn't matter. See if HQ didn't follow its own procedures in regard. Yeah, it does not matter if she's clean or not.

That is not the fucking point. It's like saying someone was killed without a trial. Like, you can't do that. And that means it can happen to any of us, regardless of what their crime is. CFHQ then subsequently publicly defamed a non-public...

Dude, it's crazy. If the video is true, you can never sign up for the open again you unless you're just an idiot unless you just there's no the risk is not worth the uh the reward it's absolutely nuts unless well unless you're trying unless you know you're going to the games it's crazy i and i don't know if it's true. Hey, Greg, good morning. Good morning. How are you? Awesome. Pumped. Stoked to hear from you.

I love this overcast. Yeah, it's nice, right? Yeah, it's overcast here in the cruise. And 60, right? 65, 60? Degrees? 60, 65? 60? Degrees? 60, 65? Hello? Greg?

Ah, he's gone. Well, thank you for joining us, Greg. That was pleasant. Hey, good morning. Was that me or you? Uh-oh. We got a bad connection. How's it going now?

Better. Do you want to call me from the land? Are you on a landline? No, I'll try it. I'll switch to it. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

Bye. Yeah. She could sue for defamation. I don't know. I don't know what it says when you sign up for the open maybe when we all sign up for the open it says hey you're going to be grabbing your ankles i don't know uh sema beaver he's in town he better walk his ass over you know what yeah i don't think he's going to do that he's like 11 miles from me but i am going to try to um

i am going to see if breakfast are we doing breakfast after this yeah oh that's awesome yeah matt and uh and that uh mike are on the road oh awesome you mean like they left already to go home yeah they're gone yeah matt's already heading down the 101, and Mike left just a few minutes ago. Oh, crazy. All right, cool. I'm excited. I mean, I love the start in the morning with breakfast with you. It's cool.

It's the old days. Thanks, bud. Hey, someone called in before you called in and was asking if you knew about the La Sierra program, if you had any ideas about it. But you were like four when that program was going, right? Four years old? That sounds familiar. Is that a fitness thing? Yeah, that's the thing at La Sierra High School with that guy,

Stan LaPrade. And they had the colored shorts that showed your ranking, like where you were. Yep. My understanding, and we knew someone in the community who was an expert on that. Uh-huh. And he had his own theory, but apparently this was a JFK-launched initiative,

and it was kind of early Cold War, and Khrushchev's video footage, black and white video than what was the film, of Khrushchev being shown this program and I guess he scared him.

And it was done deliberately by John F. Kennedy. It looked like they were getting ready for war. Yeah, it's... The footage is crazy. I'd never heard that before, what you just said. I'd never heard that. I think we published a story on it in the CrossFit Journal.

Yeah. And I think this may be CrossFit content. They had a couple I have. But yeah, I guess I do know something about that. And do you remember PE being significantly different when you were a kid in L.A.? I mean, how close did you know? Oh, you mean like they had it? Like they had it?

Right. Yeah. Yeah. And there was a Presidential Fitness Award, and you got the patch to put on your shorts and stars every year you qualled. Yeah. And I participated in that and had a patch in stars in middle school you did you did do that stuff yeah and were you excited to do it was there a

lot of pressure like with the other kids and whatnot um you know the run wasn't my cup of tea but i decided to compensate in the other stuff and and that led me to like school records in middle school and high school and pull-ups um but uh you know i the standard was pretty clear and the point system as i recall was straightforward and i don't remember being being nervous or uptight about it at all i i i was born in 72 so i somewhere in the early 80s i remember doing it. And I remember having to do some of the stuff the girls did because I couldn't do the stuff the boys did. Specifically, the boys did pull-ups and the girls did, I think it was called flex arm hang, where you had your chin over the bar.

And then they started and you had to hold it up there for a certain amount of time. I sucked at that too at the time. You know, the New York Fire Department, way back, this is like Kevin Johnson's dad's era. Uh-huh. It's 90s. But you had to be able to hold your chin

over a bar for two minutes. And that's quite a feat. What's the activation on that is that I'm thinking you're probably going to be using some neck and all the muscles of the pull up I don't know yeah that's intense there's a neck flexor in there

I would imagine I don't know how much of that you can withstand you know there's probably some facelift guru that's suggesting you hang from the pull-up bar and then let's kick your hands off the bar don't anyone try that and attribute it to me but if you try it um let me know how that feels um they have a uh this website i'm looking at right now they have um they show some of the things that you have to do to get the highest shorts, the navy blue shorts. And one of them is

swim underwater 50 yards. But listen to this one. This is the very last thing. 50 yards underwater? Yeah. That's good. And this is for what age level? I think high school. And listen to this. One of them it says you have to stay afloat this is for the blue shorts

stay afloat in deep water in a vertical position so that's treading water right um use of arms and legs permitted and you have to stay within an eight foot circle for two hours that's like the final test what is this the seal thing i don't know it just it says it sounds it sounds it sounds navy as well how uh this is called the the SEAL thing? I don't know. It just, it says. It sounds, it sounds, it sounds Navy as well. This is called the, the article is the insanely difficult standard of history's hardest PE program. And it's that La Sierra High School program. That's interesting. Another one, it's 34 pull-ups.

I'm assuming those are like just with a gymnastics kip, right? Yeah, I would, I would hope. 52 bar dips. The mile run is 515. That's moving. That is. That's a serious standard. Free handstand

hold of 45 seconds. So some good stuff. Yeah, it's very good yeah it's very interesting to me you know we would in the workout of the day I just want to throw in water some kind of water exercise and man

you wouldn't believe the amount of emails that get like where am I supposed to find a fucking swimming pool you know that kind of thing like hundreds of them and that wasn't a reason not to do it though right I don't know

you know the argument I made is three quarters of the earth's surface is covered in water so a modicum of proficiency in that space might be of value to you at some point the same thing we raised in support of ISR, right? It's a resource program. What?

That feels... You know, I'd heard that the emphasis is mil. That sounds very military to me. It sounds like a Navy captain with a seal came up with that one. Right.

The floating for two hours? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. In the vertical position? Hey, there's another one in here that says you have to float for six minutes with your arms and ankles tied. Right? Yeah. That swimming tied up stuff isn't that big a deal it's easier than it seems you just get on your back you gotta you gotta you gotta control your

breathing you know if you let out all your air and go to the bottom you're fucked right right and so you gotta you gotta manipulate yourself so that you're largely full of air and can turn and let air out and suck it back in. At least in my case, that was the deal. But we used to do this thing when I was a kid. My dad would hog tie me and throw me in the pool. No shit? Yeah, it took more than that to drown me.

I would rather do that than tread water for two hours. Oh my God. Some of the water treading drills, like, what is it? How much water? Someone will let you know. I forget. Some amount of water you have to hold overhead in a jug and drain it.

And I just, I'd have no chance of that. Dude, your dad was savage. Yeah, it was, you know, it was fun. Yeah, he was an old-fashioned dad um uh did he what did he think about um but i was into it you know what i mean like it was cool i had a german shepherd that would open the gate jump in the pool and pull me out too now the deal was that you'd semi-cooperate but she had you by the ankle of the wrist and when you were gonna if you were dead you'd be drug out. You'd have

puncture marks. She'd pull as hard as she needed to to get your ass out of the pool, but she would not let me float. We put this type of flip latch on the gate, you know, chain link gate common flip latch?

Yeah. We had one, and she would learn to jump up and push it. She also opened the refrigerator and could open the big garage door. But we had to put two latches on. She eventually learned to hit one with her back foot paw and the other one with the nose. So even the two latch

gate she could open. Hey, was she a formally trained dog? No. She just became fucking smart. But I got her for, what would that have been? It was my sixth birthday, sixth or seventh birthday. Oh, she was your dog. Yeah, I slept in the yard with her, you know, often.

Hey, that's funny. That says a lot, right? Instead of the dog coming in and sleeping with you, which is what a lot of people would say, you went outside and slept with the dog. Yeah, I laid in the dirt with her. I had a wart on my hand, and she looked at it and cocked her head and bit it off, nibbled it right off.

Holy shit. And the pediatrician had frozen it a couple times in the ovary. I looked at the little wart that the dogian had frozen it a couple times in the middle of the little little work the dog shot and removed it and it never came back

the dog was cool the neighbor kid had it was in high school when I was in seventh grade he was a big kid a little kid

had mounted me and was slapping me around and my mom opened the door to resolve the thing and the dog got past her had mounted me and was slapping me around and my mom opened the door to resolve the thing and the dog got past her

and chewed this guy pretty good the dog was in quarantine so I was sitting in the yard for 10 days with the dog with a note on the gate but that worked that made quite an impact on the other kids in the neighborhood yeah your dog bit them yeah

you fuck with that one kid and his dog's going to get you. Yeah. That was all just instinct, you know? No one taught her shit. You can't see the screen, can you?

Yeah. Which screen? The screen that the show's on. You can't see the live stream, the comments. Yeah, I'll go there. Send me. Are you in front of a computer? I am. Let me see if I can send you a link.

Hold on. One second. Okay, I'm going to text this. Can I text it to you? Yeah. You know, I appreciate that, hearing about the Sierra program. We're somehow by some calamitous misfortune of everyone I see in prison, and it's an accident day one. Yeah. Fuck, wouldn act that thing day one. Yeah.

Fuck. Wouldn't that be awesome? Imagine the profound impact it would have right away. On, on everything. Yes. Yes. Uh,

so, so the way I would also have, I'd have male and female division. Sure. Sure. And, and others, but I wouldn't have But I wouldn't have people

Transitioning to take the girls' trophies from them You would have male, female, and then other categories But not allow males to take the women's category Yeah, yep Fair enough I'd probably have a drugged category too Oh, I like that I don't know

The link I sent you Oh, okay So if you click that link, you'll see comments So I'm going to read you a comment that popped up. And when people pay me money, I'm kind of like a whore. That means that I kind of have to read the comment. Right. But I just that's how I choose a lot of them. Matt Burns, it's a picture of him in a CrossFit gym. He says, Greg, thank you for introducing CrossFit to the world and changing my life. Would you be willing to share your experience with polio? I love both you guys. Thanks, Matt.

You know, I got that. I get that at 10 weeks old and they weren't vaccinating until you were 12 weeks. So I got I got sick. Everyone thought I had some flu like thing. And then I got vaccinated. Then at a year old, I was kind of one-legged in a walker. At one year old? Yeah. And revisited the pediatrician. I thought this kid had polio. So I wasn't discovered until after the fact. And what year were you born? Uh,

56. Okay. And, uh, the, uh, orthopedic surgeon, my orthopedic surgeon, Francis McKeever is a legend.

Anyone that knows the history of orthopedic surgery knows who that is. He's a, he's a, he was a pioneer of the first order. In fact, just to give you a sense of him, when Howard Hughes crashed his plane into Beverly Hills, he had hundreds of fractures.

I think it was a story in Francis McKee. It was his physician. But he had a practice built around post-polio patients, and I was his youngest patient. And so I would go see him, and there'd be all these ancient people sitting there. I know his daughter practices orthopedic surgery.

Someone put us in touch years ago. It's interesting. I remember when she was off at Oxford studying when I was a kid and she was a kid. I was quite a bit younger. She would be

very likely long retired at this point as well he'd be 100 if he were alive um do you remember when you found out you you had uh like polio like so like i didn't know my nose was big till i was 16 right i was at school and someone made fun of it then i went home and looked in the mirror so if you had if you had when i say polio it's basically just affected your leg one of your legs right yeah yeah i had i had kids uh uh mocking me and picking on me and i even had i even had i've even had fucking school teachers mock me elementary school teachers what what a teacher you know teacher walking away from the classroom,

walking alongside me and limping like I do and getting a huge fucking laugh out of the whole school. I'm in the second grade and she's a fifth grade teacher. I later ended up with her as my fifth grade teacher. Holy shit. Yeah. It seemed off at the time. And did you know, did someone explain to you as a child,

hey, these are symptoms of polio? Yeah. Yeah, we had a family full of physicians. So, you know, there was not much mystery around it. And was there any threat of you dying? No. No, but it wasn't discovered until the infection was long gone. Wow. Fascinating.

Kind of like you put the car in the garage and your cats run over. You see the next morning. You know what happened, right? Someone wrote, is this Uncle Greg's voice? This is a $20 story, by the way, everyone. Not a $5 story. So this person only gave $2, and they said, is this Uncle Greg's voice I'm hearing? Yeah, you can call him Uncle Greg. It's fine.

Hey, how did your, I guess your parents. Two things. As long as you're on this story, two takeaways from this. Two things that motivated. One was fighting. I got picked on and my dad my dad I got martial arts training. He

taught me how to tap someone on the shoulder and turn around and hit him hard enough that there was there was no fight. And God, what a skill that was. And the other thing was gymnastics. Can you give me an example? What do you mean fighting, basically?

Yeah, I'm walking home from school with little Linda Danber next door. You know, I'm eight years old, and I think she's my girlfriend. And we're walking home. I know I'm on my hands and knees, and I'm looking, and I'm seeing this pool of blood widening. Some kid from across the street he threw a rock, it was a chunk of cement and it hit me in the head

just knocked the shit out of me so I went to the hospital and got my head shaved and some stitches and bandage on it my dad wasn't saying much and we got home and after dinner he's cleared after dinner, he's clear of the table. And he's coming up.

He's on his knees. And he says, put me on your shoulder. And when I turn around, you're going to hit me in the face as hard as you can. My first attempt at this, I tucked my thumb into my hand. We corrected that. We straightened my wrist. And we just, like just like throwing a ball. It was pretty, I could throw a ball like a wizard and, uh,

you know, just learn, step into it, do it again, do it again. My mom's crying. She sees it going. I don't quite get it, but then I'm like, Oh, look, I'm, I'm a second or third grader. And this kid's a big fifth or sixth grader. Look, I'm a second or third grader, and this kid's a big fifth or sixth grader. And he tells me that I'm going to go out at recess the next day, and whatever he's doing, he's going to go behind me and tap on the shoulder, and he's going to plant one of those things right on his fucking nose. And just so people know really quick.

No, I'm not. And he's like, oh, yeah, you are. I was either going to do this or he was going to whatever punishment I would get and your dad was a huge guy you know for me dude I'm a small second grader he's a big fifth grader I'm saying your dad, your dad was also huge you have this huge man

yeah my dad is 6'1 200 pounds you know Navy guy, flew helicopters in the Navy big man you know Navy guy flew helicopters in the Navy big man yep some of the things he liked helicopters and he liked boxing and he wouldn't hesitate

to fight but are you crying when he tells you this when he tells you you're going to have to fight this kid I don't want to do it bad but I feared him more than the kid that hit me with the rock. The only interaction I had with him, I didn't even know what happened. It didn't hurt that bad.

I just lost my senses. I didn't know where I was or what was happening for about 20 seconds. I mean, I took it. It was a good gouge. It was a wonderfully thrown chunk of rock, bigger than a softball. I wonder if that kid was scared when he saw what he did to you. I had no sense of that. I tell you this, after I hit him, he was scared for years.

So what happened? Your dad taught you how to fight that night? I told him, the little limit comes over in the morning. We're going to walk to school. I got my head bandaged, and I tell her what I have to do, and she's crying. And she's telling me, don't do it. Don't do it. Don don't do it and I'm like got to I've got to I've got to and for this I was nervous and uh we're out of PE where we were on the rubber mask in the little

kid section and he's playing four square with the big kids and uh I went up there and reached up tapped him on the shoulder he turned around and he little jumped to a crack the solid hit and he stiffened up and fell back and hit his head on the ground and cried oh shit he fucking stiffened up fell back, hit his head on the ground

and cried, I don't think anyone had ever done that to him before and I tell you what, that changed everything for me at the school. Everything. Everything. It turned out, in hindsight, it was the best advice a father could ever give a son that was being picked on. Meaning instant reputation, the full-

There wasn't anybody that didn't either see or hear it. Dale King writes in the comments, this is a pretty good observation. Those who have been bullied make the best protectors. Yeah, I could understand that. I certainly have. I mean. I would say it's almost a fault of yours. You could not like someone and then see them get bullied.

And I've seen you go over and protect them. Yeah, I don't like the dog pile, you know? Yeah. Deserved or not, you know, the guy's had enough. Leave him alone. Right. Strikes him. But, you know, it's things like Bob Lee asking people to help me bleeding.

You know, drill down your window three inches and drive off. Unbathable. Someone named Eric Wise is quoting you here. He loves your, your juxtaposition of words, wonderfully thrown chunk of cement. It was across the street. I mean,

it's a good arm. It was a good, it was, that was a big piece of cement to throw in the water. What is it? You know, I don't know what he was trying to accomplish, but it did something. What happened? Did you get in trouble for that?

No, no. And I had, you know, it's funny. The lesson I had to do that again in the, in the 10th grade, knew the high school and not everyone knew the reputation. The kid's name was Mark Reese. And I was, I was in Tom Krubau's locker getting something for him.

These names we know. And, uh, and this kid, Ben thought I had been in his locker and he just cracked me. I didn't see it coming. So I knew what to do. I didn't even need to consult with the old man.

I went into his history class, just walked in the back door, tapped him on the shoulder and hit him. And he knocked him out of the chair. Now, you know, I'm in the 10th grade. This is a kid with 60 pull-ups at this point, right? Oh, so you're a savage. You're dangerous. Yeah, and he's a basketball player.

So he's six foot something, and I'm 5'5 or 5'6. I weigh 145 pounds. But I had by this time I've got a 300 pound lat pull down, right? Yeah. This was pre-jiu-jitsu and being able to do 60 pull-ups had an enormous implication

for wrestling and playing around. But anyways, I cracked this kid and he fell over in his chair and we end up in the principal's office and they call my dad in and my dad was at the time, he was just

about to leave home for some Navy gig and he's got the whole officer and gentleman and the white shit on, right? And it was a good look on him. And he comes in and the principal's explaining that two rights don't make a problem against him fuck is that

you know and the son was like whoa he wasn't going to do anything heard what happened and hey that's how life goes that's what happens when you hit someone undeservedly and it might just come back at you we actually Mark Leach and I became

friends after that. Oh, no shit. Yeah. Like a little respect for each other. You know, I mean, he knew the lay of the land, right? Yeah. You don't have to be you don't have to be

trained in martial arts to do that. You tap someone on the shoulder and you crack them and they're, they're not, they're not going to jump up with some kind of superhero skills and come at you. You're done. The fight's over.

Right. This is what, this is what Andy used to do to people in bars until I found out about it, hanging out with his Reebok friends. Right. Right. When I found out about it, hanging out with his Reebok friend. Right, right. Dude, when I found out about that,

I don't think in the history of running that company, I don't think anything ever made me more mad. That he punched someone out at a bar? It was middle-aged fucking fat dude balding, fucking minding his own business. Right. Just to impress the Reebok guys. Yeah, that was a pretty nasty story.

There was a lot of alcohol. You remember that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think there's anyone that worked for the company that didn't know how I felt about that. Was that in San Francisco? Yes, it was. Yeah, I didn't witness it, but I remember hearing the stories.

He was supposedly protecting Matt O'Toole or something? And it happened at an ATM, and yeah, it was just sugary. He's lucky he didn't go to jail. You know, I keep thinking that a demise seems inevitable of some sort, where I'm like, you know, no surprise here. Someone wrote, in summation, this story is Greg doesn't get along with bullies, and if you're not nice, you probably won't like Greg.

You know, I think of myself as nice. Hey, I was with Jeff Martone traveling once. We were at Cracker Barrel eating breakfast and he did his regular saying of the blessing before eating. He looked up to me and I got a mouthful of food, right? I'm just tripping

on him. And he says to me, you know why God makes the strong? I said, I got a mouthful of food, right? I'm just tripping on them. And he says to me, you know, my God makes the strong. And I said, I have no idea, but I'm about to find out what else. And he goes to protect the weak. I tell you, that was one of those things. I heard that. And first of all, I knew I'd never forget it. I was, it moved me deeply.

And I thought, man, that's the shit that heroes are made of, you know? To think that you were put on Earth to protect these people, that this is where your strength comes from. And we got another one of those in Jimmy Watt. Right. These guys were born to protect the weak. And if we ever leave that, we lose everything.

Greg, going back, you were saying that from, I think it was from the polio, two things happened. Fighting and what was the other one? Gymnastics. Explain that. Well, let me talk about the era. I think it happened in the late 40s Gymnastics. Gymnastics. Explain that. Yeah. Well, let me talk about the era. Okay. I think it happened in the late 40s, maybe the 50s. I think the story is that someone can research this and find it. It's a fantastic story.

That's covered in the LA Times, I believe, in the sports section. But one of the school board members, or maybe the president of the LA Unified School District, was a ex-gymnast. And every boys and girls, every high school in LA had a boys and girls gymnastics team by decree. But every park had a sandpit. It had shitty rings, shitty had shitty rings shitty high bars shitty parallel bars made of stainless steel it was pretty foreign to the real deal but it was certainly a good place

to learn how to land um dismount and this was you could swing on the rings and it's probably it was a it was a better swinging ring setup than it was for still. The parallel bars were just, you know, I mean, they worked. It was okay. But everyone was down there. And we would get chalk. Back then, the only person that sold

chalk to any of us or anything about was Frank Endo. And we'd go down to San Pedro to his shop and get chalk. It would be a big deal to take your mom down there and get grips and chalk. Legit gymnastics chalk? Yeah, yeah, gymnastics chalk and legit grips. Okay. And you'd keep your grips with you in the chalk.

You'd hide in the sand, bury it somewhere. And I'd go down. It was cool. I was talking about this the other day, that you could wake up on a Saturday morning at 5am, take the German shepherd, right? Ride my bike and do shit on the, do shit on the ring. So by the time I was in middle school, um, I had a,

I had a reasonable flyaway dismount on the swing and could, could stick it even though it was mostly one-legged but i got strong really strong and had pull-ups and uh front lever back lever cross came later but uh i was i was good to go the first time i got a real real pair of rings in the ninth grade going over to the high school um there was shit i could do And then it just blew up from there. And Krubal would go with you there too, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's got some stories

to tell, but I'll let him tell. And would Kathy go too? Would your sister go with you? She also has a story to tell. Yeah. Some of my friends got hurt and my poor sister. Not bad, but knocked out cold.

Screwing around on the rings? And you don't, you know, that's the weird gymnastics injury. You don't see a lot of people completely unconscious. And so, Greg, so your freshman year was your first year doing

organized gymnastics? Freshman year in high school? Yes. And were you tripping when you, what made you think you could do it? Were you intimidated or scared or? No, not at all. Not at all. And some of the kids that I'd seen at the parks were there. Now, here's the thing.

Here was a huge motivation. there was a huge motivation. There's a neighborhood kid, Steve Hug, who was still the youngest American Olympic athlete. You know, weeks after his 16th birthday, he's on the U.S. team and leading it.

And so in 72, he's back. You know, he was, he was, and, you know, he's just a neighborhood guy, but he was and you know he's just a neighborhood guy but he was a chattisworth high guy and so my high school had produced america's best gymnast um as a high school student he was the best in the country better than all the college kids and there's also a fantastic article on mr hug and this is micro fish You know, it's kind of hard to dig up. I just, I just, I found a wiki page on him, dude, just now.

Yeah. He's, he's the real deal. We had him at the games. That's the guy. I looked him up, made friends. We've written on him. Remember the one year I didn't invite him, he broke into the games. The fucker showed up.

He got past security into the event. He's like some ninja stuff. I, uh. You steve i i do i um i i i was gonna tell a story about him i don't know how appropriate it is now that you've we've outed him but i'll just say this that let's start let's see it's you know it was he was working through some stuff let's leave him him alone. Yeah, I'm just – it was going to be about you. You've been very generous to people. There's many people – and I was fortunate enough to be with Greg by his side night and day for more than 10 years. And I saw many people from his past that Greg would dig up and rekindle relationships, whether they had been good or bad. And you were so generous to those people.

I'll just say that, exceedingly generous. Eva was an enormous inspiration to me. There was kind of a sense of like, it seemed like it was magic because I was on the high school team, and I made the team in the 10th grade, which was a very unusual circumstance. But listen, I was obsessed with an understatement. You mean with him and his accomplishments? The fact that our team had been city champions

and that we had produced an Olympian, a talent that in 1968 from high school was better than the college kids. So in fact, there's a black and white video, a black and white film, a black and white film, you know, Super 8 of Hug on YouTube that is just stunning, a pommel horse too.

But he was, you know, and here's the trippy thing about Hug. He was like 26th in the world. And so for your non-gymnastics average American, it meant he wasn't shit, right? Right. Which is really sad because 26th in the world is fucking awesome. Right.

And to consider the level of, you know, there was this hotbed in Iowa around Hinsdale Central High School in Illinois, in the Chicago suburbs, and Venice High and L.A. High. L.A. was a hotbed for gymnastics. And that same tradition of which Hug was kind of launched the thing, out of that same tradition, years later not even that man 15 years later the Americans

are the best gymnasts in the world and the pedigree the cultural pedigree that comes out of the LA area and UCLA that's all part of that Steve was essential to all of that.

But for me to be on the – and with Coach David Ogawa, I mean, you know, so my coach – and it was a funny thing. He was a geometry teacher. He didn't know shit about gymnastics. That's how strong the culture was. But, you know what, he was of a Japanese descent, Coach Ogawa, and that carried a huge sway. It scared our competitors. They didn't even got a Japanese coach. How the fuck can we compete with that, right?

But he was a great coach. He was a great mentor. His gymnastics knowledge was good enough to keep us all inspired but we had kids coming from UCLA and USC on the reg that had gone to chats with Hyatt so it was easy to get better coaching he was the he was 16

wow just like you said god crazy oh dude he was so good so good he made the Olympic team at 16, making him the youngest person to represent the U.S. gymnastics team at that event. And he was four years older than you? It says he's born in 52? Yeah, yep.

And there was a certain sense that Steve can do it. We can all do it. Right. Which is, you know, I had a sports technology class once. This lady was outlining the essential aspects of the goals and one of them was to be realistic or achievable. And I'm like,

excuse me, bullshit. And I said, there's five million girls with posters of Mary Lou Retton above their bed and two of them have the potential to be that. Who cares? It's the motivational value of the goal.

So if someone comes to me at 80 years old, I want to go to the Olympics. I go, we got to get started. And you get a lot of work to do. I mean, I'm just, I'm not, I'm there to feed your dreams and support them. And if there's motivational value in it, I'm not going to shit on that.

And, you know, the getting there isn't important. Yeah. My thing is I'm always a process guy, not an end point guy. Yeah. And end points that seem impossible become achievable often by, you know, what was solid for me was the process,

not where it can take you. Listen to this. This is in the wiki. This is the last line of the wiki on Steve Hugg. Listen to this. Hugg is a 1995 inductee into the U.S. Gymnastics Hall of Fame. CrossFit's Greg Glassman has credited him for providing him with inspiration while he was growing up. You know what's funny?

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God, you've ruined me, Greg. Mark Higgins. I'm looking at a book that, by description, I'm looking for it. And it's, it's out of print. Of course, most of what I look for is,

but it's extremely expensive given that it's nothing. I figured it must be valuable. It's probably good. Right. There's old books. You can't get your hands on. And they're often outstanding. And it's the outstanding quality that makes them hard to find and therefore rare and expensive.

It's an interesting thing. You know, two people like me and you who hang around each other as much as we have, we kind of know everything that's going to come out of each other's mouths. We've heard it all from each other. We know how we're going to behave when we see a pretty woman, a cute dog, a fight in the street, right? We know each other. And yet there's still constantly new stuff coming out of you, historical stuff too. It was like what you said the other day that you heard from your dad even.

And I always think that I've heard all your dad's stories. And you said when the TV would come on – The politics? Pardon me? The politics one I was sharing with you? No, the four out of five dentists. Like, hey, your dad would stop, turn off the TV or stand in front of the TV

and be like, hey, we don't care about those four. What did the fifth guy say? Nine out of ten dentists recommend toothpaste, recommend Chimps or Dye. And I'm like, I heard that you say that for the first time like a month ago. I'm like, holy shit. It it's that's so poignant but even like even my friends knew like oh shit here comes the question daddy stand up walk across the room turn the tv down pre-remote control right there's

a black and white thing with rabbit ears right there's no voting in science and like all my friends could mock him we We all fucking knew. And he told it every time as though we'd never heard it. Right. And it only lasted like 14 years, right? I mean, yep. There's no voting in science, dad. Gotcha.

God, I thought he needed a new shtick, you know? Oh, man. My dad told me he was an engineer and I thought he conducted trains. You know, like the guy with the cap on the train that weighed? Yeah, man. We were laughing. My dad told me he was an engineer, and I thought he conducted trains. You know, like the guy with the cap on the train that weighed? Yeah, yeah. And then he told me he's a scientist. I get that you're an engineer, and I know it.

You know? I'm 10 years old. I'm like, you know, scientist. Hey, do you think he presented— Scientists wear lab coats and mix shit and test tubes. Do you think he presented the information poorly? Let me give you an example. There was this girl when I was young.

I was 18 years old and she was 23. And I met her in Mexico. And we kept the relationship going for like six months and then she dumped me. She was engaged when I met her. And I told my dad that I was in love with her. And he's like, you're not in love with her. You're just really, really enjoying the sex. And that really fucking pissed me off that

he said that to me like that really pissed me off and he's right yeah well yeah but i'm i didn't realize he was right until i'm 51 couldn't he have presented it a little different you know i'm trying your dad presented it a little different like that four out of five dentist thing so that you could have got it or no you know listen i and maybe maybe his pedagogy wasn't wasn't ideal or or you know maximally effective but i tell you what i did everything in my power to avoid his influence everything okay that's why that's why i was that's why the trainer in a gym is as far as this thing from, you know, I mean, he,

he, he, he was not impressed with me being a trainer in a gym. Right. But I came from a family. If you weren't a physician, engineer, lawyer,

accountant, if you didn't get the college degree and get one of those jobs you get from college, your life was a waste. But, you know, he was the first person in his family to go to college. And that was true of so many of my friends. I can't tell you the number of friends I had who, I mean, I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and you couldn't live in the San Fernando Valley and be paying attention nor have friends

and not know about Grumman, Lockheed, Northrop, Teledyne, Paradigm, Hughes, Ramo Woolridge, Lytton, Atomics International. Those are where my friend's dads were. And they all had the white short sleeve dress shirts and the horn brimmed glasses. Most of them served in the military. Most of them were the

descendants of farmers or factory workers. And I mentioned they had mill experience and they worked in aerospace and they thought they were keeping the world safe from democracy. That's probably all true. But that upbringing,

I rejected it wholly. And I got to tell you, all you people doing CrossFit, you can blame my old man. The lessons I did, everything I could to avoid, stuck with me. And I know there's no voting in science.

If you're voting, it's not science. me. And do I know there's no voting in science? If you're voting, it's not science. I got a quote here from Michael Crichton that I'm going to share. I'm doing it at the ranch. Crichton's the prolific... Andromeda Strange, Jurassic Park. I believe he's a physician. And this is at a

commencement address at Caltech, of all places, if I have my history right. Creighton was a physician? Yeah, I think he was. Is he still alive? I think so. No, that I know. That I'm certain of. I can find this here.

uh it's interesting that you're um uh i would like to also know what your dad eventually ended up thinking of you becoming um you were you were a grown man in your 40s uh couldn't rub two nickels together rode your bike to work every morning at 5 a.m um teaching people uh crossfit you know the highlights in your life would be when you would get a contract with like a police department or something was he tripping at that point like it's a point that i needed technical support um argumentation uh science explained like the thing he did for us in 2009 yeah um he was he was he was indispensable um but uh he went through a transition and he would tell people proudly that the greatest surprise in his adult life is that he's famous for being my father. Oh, that's awesome. God, that would make me feel sad.

That's a win for you, right? He likes to tell that. Oh, that's cool. Here's Michael Crichton. He says, I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels.

It is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet because you're being had. I feel like that. Yeah. Yeah. He's a Harvard grad. Yeah.

Smart dude. Is he, was he a, was he a physician? Well, this, this, uh,

it says, uh, Crichton at Harvard in 2002, uh, Crichton received an MD from Harvard medical school in 1969, but did not practice medicine choosing to focus on his reading instead. And like you said, the Andromeda strain,

Jurassic Park. Right. Wow. He died young. 70. Not even. 58 plus 8. He died young, 64. Sold 200 million books, dude. Holy shit.

Wow. Greg, you sold CrossFit in – was it 2020? Yeah. And since then, I would say you've been pretty quiet, wouldn't you say? You haven't – besides these – showing up for the BSI events and popping up on this podcast now and again, you've been pretty quiet. Yeah, you know,

I'm not in the public eye. I'm not in the spotlight. 60 Minutes isn't coming around, but I can tell you, that part wasn't fun. There was a sense of obligation to it. You mean being in the public eye? yeah

well you're kind of doing it to have people come up that you that you've never met and to tell you how much they owe you and love you and respect you that's a humbling thing it's a tough thing and I wouldn't want to give anyone the sense that

you don't like it but to say that you enjoy it, I think, I think anyone that enjoys that is pathological. There's something wrong with it. And, uh, but it's, it's, it's humbling. And, uh, you know, it's, it's, and I tell people, and I do, I'm grateful when people say hi, I really am. But to walk that, um, it would, it would be be would be an odd thing to me what do you mean humbling don't you mean the opposite of humbling like it makes you proud on people no i know it's like no not for me because i struggle to explain that like you know you

you you are the manifestation of my life's work. And without these people, there's nothing, right? All these fucking people with these fitness programs no one's doing. It's good on you, right? Right, right. You're a legend in your own mind. That's the proof of the success of the effort. That's how this thing self- thing self replicated spoke volumes to me. Look,

we can take it, take someone who were taking people that had a love of exercise in the gym and gym life. And you teach them a set of skills. Duffy gave her Navy seal. I mean, every time I see a trainer to the stars, there's only one. And it's Duffy Gaber.

This guy, he gave me a shirt that had the list of the movies where he had trained the leading man. Holy cow. I mean, it's unbelievable. It's 100 movies everyone's heard of, but Duffy is the guy. And he came to that very first seminar that I had for the public. I'd done some for DOJ and one for a national police corps for two federal programs. What year was that?

I don't know. Okay. We've got, we've got footage of it. You can look it up. It was interesting who was there. Duffy was there and Mark Twight was there. And there was a,

there's a photo somewhere. I think it had been on.com, showing the board, the whiteboard, with all the scores of whatever the hell the workout was. And Duffy, the Navy SEAL, trainer to the stars. And I tell you, he's coming to this thing on June 3rd at the ranch. Oh, he is? Duffy Gabers?

Okay. Duffy Gabers, yeah. I can't tell you the respect I have for this kid. You know, one of the smartest things we did was the requirement of the essay for affiliation. And the problem is we had a form. We asked questions because we thought we were so fucking smart and would know what questions to ask. And the people go, I didn't, I didn't pass your test. And how come I can't be in, you know? And, uh,

and I'd hear the story and I'd go, wow, my system fucked up this guy. Yeah, you're it. I don't know how this happened. And there was, we could never ask the right questions. And so we had people writing an essay and it was tell us why you want to be, why you want to be an affiliate and this is how it works you get points for wanting to help people as positive your

life experience in athleticism and training was a zero and your desire to make money or marketing or business acumen was a negative okay and so the essay that I got an MBA and three gold medals, you're out. And you can say, uh, um,

I've always loved working out and I just want to have this impact on other people you're in. Okay. Yeah. Now all the essays were either the negative and zero or the zero and a plus all of them and not one. 15,000. Fucking S's. Not one person says, I got an MBA and I just want to help people. Not one.

Here was my least favorite ever was I live across the street from Fort Bragg. I can't think of killing off these guys. I was like, I don't think so. Not flying my flag. Now, Duffy Gaber's essay. He says, I went to that first cert and it changed

everything about the way I train people and I got people asking me, isn't this CrossFit? And I fumbled with it. He says, I think I got an integrity problem here. I need to affiliate and I owe you some back pay. Like, holy cow. I mean, there's the one exception to the rule. You're in.

But I was so moved by that, the integrity to realize that I'm using this methodology fairly much unadulterated and haven't been paying my share. And I got clients, you know, and these are movie stars asking me, isn't this CrossFit? And I, and I, I, I have trouble answering. Pretty cool. Is Duffy a gaver? Is he a, he's into motorcycles too. Pretty big. Oh, dude, let me send you a picture he sent me yesterday.

Okay. I'm on his Instagram, and I'm just making sure. And he wrote a book called Hero Maker. I'm sure. Okay. Well, I can't wait to meet him. Good-looking kid too, I mean. Yeah.

How old is he? 50, 60? He does. I'd say he's in his early 50s would be the guess yeah he's jacked uh no magic pill uh will desire or discipline or no magic pill it's all about will desire and discipline get up before work crush your workouts eat well be consistent he was making fun of uh people who take tumeric now i see why you guys like each other uh i got a um a question here from someone mark higgins uh seve my wife has just been diagnosed with uh stage three bowel cancer i'm going the whole crispy cancer route uh does greg have any advice a crispy cancer greg

is a guy had on the show who had a stage four colon cancer at 20 some odd years old right and he he went the route of just stop eating all things processed and and stop eating all animal products right he went complete fucking bet He's a vegetable guy, basically just eats vegetables. And he's done that for like 20 years and he looked, he looked fabulous. And, and what's interesting, the guy is a CrossFitter, but when I had him on the show, one thing he did say, Greg, is when I wanted to talk about diet, he said, Hey, you know what I'd really like to talk about is, is reducing people's stress in life as being a serious cure for cancer. Yeah.

This picture you sent me is incredible. I saw this on his Instagram with a Guffey. Let me share with you yesterday. And the caption was today. Oh, yesterday on his motorcycle. Okay. That's savage.

Okay. Yeah. That's the real deal. That's like, you know, it's like, there's my, there's my Marvel comic kind of guy. Right. Right. Yeah.

I'm going to send one more picture of his bike because. I should probably give him my my CBR 1000. My. CBR 1000 by SP2. Oh, that would be a crazy gift to give him. Any advice for this guy? Greg, do you have any advice for me while my wife has a stage three bowel cancer? Yeah. You know, I would like,

I'd like him to be introduced to Emily so they can have an offline talk. I'm not going to promote cancer therapies here or tell anyone's story, but our proximity to see free, um,'m that's that's all I really want to say I think cancer is a metabolic disease and not a genetic disease I believe that the genetics is the downstream consequences of the of the damages of the mitochondria. And I think that that science is as solid as can be. And so cancer is a metabolic disease. And I think that Travis Christopherson,

his treatment of Seyfried's work in Tripping Over the Truth, Seyfried's book is Cancer is a Metabolic Disease. It's a tough read, but well worth it. Christofferson's treatment of that is very good and there's some lineage here. Christofferson says he was turned on

to this concept by Rob Wolf in the forward and I'd share when I met Rob he was all carbs all the time Rob I'm supportive very supportive of this research and

work and there are some treatments that have come down the pipe certainly bear looking at. Mark, if you need to get in touch with Emily, she has an Instagram account. Hold on. I will tell you what it is.

She lives in Boston. Thomas Seyfried lives in Boston. We're all friends. I'm friends with Thomas Seyfried, full disclosure. I've also funded his research did it crossfit um crossfit has no interest in that kind of thing now i presume and i continue to fund thomas that is that is not throw we are not throwing money away we're saving lives i'm putting uh mark i'm putting emily's uh instagram account the the

the lady that greg suggests you reach out to, in the chat. It's down there at the bottom. She's also Emily at BrokenScience.org. Oh, okay. So there's her email. My partner in the Broken Science effort. Okay, there you go.

Her husband is Bob Kaplan, and he's the brains behind up here at Zia. Talk about credential. Yeah. Look, I think it's two more pictures of Duffy. I love that kid. Yeah.

That motorcycle's nuts. And here, just to show you, he doesn't just take pictures all by himself. Here he is in a race in the league. These guys miss getting shot at

he's a mill guy? oh okay I missed that yeah so instead of getting shot at now he does 200 miles an hour on a motorcycle right

Mike Artunion who was at the BSI event of getting shot at now now he does 200 miles an hour on a motorcycle right dragging a knee yeah uh mike artunian who was at the bsi event in phoenix says i hate to jump off and stop watching the show but i'll have to catch the rest of this after work i'm looking forward to june 3rd in california that's sweet i'm excited about it too and uh you know it's not to not to plug it there's no plug-in it can be done and there's, there's no plugging that can be done, and there's no room for anyone else. And that happens within a matter of hours. And I'm grateful to my affiliate community to have the interest in this.

I spoke at Hillsdale College, and any CrossFitters out there, and I was like, we're the third of the audience. We're 500 or 600 people, so the people who have gotten on planes and trains and automobiles to come and listen. And at the end, the enthusiasm from the science faculty was muted, let's say, and the best questions were asked by affiliates.

But we've always, within our community, had extraordinary resources. We've got guys on the Level One training team that have published scores of articles in peer-reviewed journals, whatever that means, on technical subjects. So we do have, within our community, just about every trade and expertise imaginable. Russ Green had said that when he got to D.C. that every morning at 4, 5 a.m., everyone with their hands on the levers of power is involved, Democrat and Republican, is at the CrossFit gyms, one of the 23

gyms. And so we had a program, a community that is very attractive to overachievers. Do you think if you're an affiliate owner and you were your reaction to the pandemic was a reflection on how well you understood the material? was a reflection on how well you understood the material. How could I not think that? I mean, I go into the gym in Phoenix and they've got, they've got two layers of plexiglass, a half inch thick. It looks like my bank in San Diego, just right near the on-ramp.

Hey, how many times has that bank been robbed? What a great place to put a bank, huh? Right near the on-ramp. You'd go in looking for robbers. You don't want to get caught up in anything. Right. Yeah, you remember that place right there on Delmar Boulevard? Yes.

Remember that? Yes. And I remember our conversations dying laughing about some of our conversations. I just tripped that maybe especially after you put out five buckets of death and then you were an affiliate owner. I always wondered how you reconciled. I mean, I guess there were millions of doctors who were duped in school teachers and mathematicians. You know what some of the eyes look like when they're fucking terrified? You know that look?

Whose eyes? Terrified eyes. Yeah, yeah. Google it if you need to. Look at someone's eyes when they're terrified. Yeah, okay. That's what you see behind the mask. There's nothing rational about it.

There never was. Let me ask you this. Do you ever have concern? Are you familiar with this term psyops, like psychological operation? Yeah. Do you ever think about all the people, like there were friends and family and loved ones of ours have just gone through like a crazy traumatic experience the last three years because they were i mean do you think it's a gross uh exaggeration to say that they were or even spot on accurate that they were part of a psyop whether it was intentional or not someone even come up as simply and go do you know how

embarrassed i am you're just waiting for one person to say that is that what you mean yeah just one yeah yeah i don't think they can't because they're so trauma do you ever think they like do you ever think they, like, do you remember that movie Clockwork Orange? That was a psyop, right? Where they hold the guys

open with the toothpicks and make them watch. Yeah. Except they didn't have to force people to watch it. Look, I thought when Trump talked about deep state,

I thought he was out of his fucking mind. I wasn't, and he fucking proved it. Improved it. I mean, what do you think these 51 signatures to the laptop was Russian disinformation?

You know, and so the deep state's real. But what caught me by surprise later, because I came to see, okay, you know, long before the Burnham report or whatever, it was very clear that law enforcement intelligence had tried to do their best to alter the outcome of the election. And then on this shithead getting elected, they did everything they could to remove him from power by illegally lying to a FISA judge, for instance. So the deep state thing, CNN could pretend all day long like that didn't happen, and that's why no one's watching anymore. But what came as a surprise was the deep health, the idea that public health would be harnessed. And I already knew the CDC was compromised.

Remember, we sued them successfully at CrossFit. And I knew that the fix was in on nutrition, but I never thought that they would promote a virus. Yeah, promote a virus. I mean, you know, the gain of function, Obama chases out of his country and it ended up at Wuhan, a la Fauci and friends and, uh, eco health alliance. And the same assholes are involved in the, in the, uh,

vaccine. And what we've all, what we've all went through seems, seems some kind of combination of panic and, and panic and an engineered effort. But look at the freedoms we've lost. Look at the, what a vehicle for control this has been. I had this amazing. I had, I had, you know, once I, once I get, once I get the mask on you and you're not allowed to go to work or school, you're basically you're, you, you're panthered down and you're fucking handcuffed your wrists are handcuffed

to your ankles. That's where you're at. And what comes next, God only knows, is basically whatever they want. Including destroying the economy. I had an acquaintance, I would even say a friend, I went to their house a couple times, who was an executive over at Adobe. Very senior person at Adobe. And they were a pretty staunch liberal. And about six months into it, they pulled me aside.

And I use they because I don't want to reveal their sex. They said to me, hey. And I go, what? And they go, you're right. And I go, what do you mean? He goes, this thing or she is a perfect product launch i go really they said hey dude it's textbook this is exactly how you launch a product they just the whole thing i was like holy shit they're like dude it's playbook like we all all of us in the biz know it. I was like, oh my God.

What's the name of Dowd's book? Oh, I have it right here. Cause Unknown. Oh my God. And you know, read the introduction to that. Look up Dowd. Look where he comes from. Think of the essential nature

of him being rational to have led BlackRock like he did pre-Wolker up to that company. But look at what he achieved in the financial world and the breadth of talents and skills he had to have to be one of the rock star hall of fame stock picker guy. He accomplished things that Warren Buffett can only dream of. And to walk away as a young man with untold amounts of money, to circle back around and present the case to this whole thing being the nonsense that it is, it's really a remarkable work. And there's few things as compelling as the ceo of america's largest life insurer saying that once they fill throughout covid death they've got a 40 increase in all-cause mortality and and they know exactly where it's from exactly do you feel bad for those people at all those

people who part of the psyop do you like they're bad for all of us right right they don't even know though right they're completely I mean at least we're happy I mean they don't even they got damaged I mean they actually were performed they had some fucked up thing performed on their brain at least we have it checked yeah if you want an argument you're gonna have to find another

subject uh paul sebastian uh here in the comments uh sebon uh please thank greg personally for me for everything he has done in the fitness space and health and wellness i've been doing crossfit since 2008 and was diagnosed with multiple myeloma in october what's that myeloma in October. What's that? Myeloma. Skin? Something with the skin? Yeah, it's a cancer. Thank you, Paul. I hope you get better. I hope you heal up, buddy. No, Paul. Thank you

for the kind words and wishing the best of health. Paul says, I'm now one month post-transplant and back doing CrossFit, and I would have never gone through this without, I think he means without CrossFit. Someone else wants to only listen to the parts of the podcast where you're speaking. Thank you, Scott. How far back do I have to go to catch all of Greg?

He came on early. Greg came on in the first 10 minutes. If you don't want to hear my shit start 10 minutes in uh greg there is um uh so many things i i want to ask you about but we're reaching the end but i i need to have you back on i want to talk to you about um a couple things the importance of how important you think it is that you pull kids out of school um what if you can't afford to do it all the excuses people have to not homeschool and then i also want to talk about um your dad passing uh in the last two years and any advice you have for uh people um what things you wish you would have done different what you miss about your dad what he contributed to your life stuff like that so maybe maybe we can, uh, maybe next week sometime we could, uh, uh, regroup.

Yeah. Great. You're going to be telling me that. Yeah. I'm just telling you that we've, I think we've run out of time. I want to go, I want to come see, I'm like 90 minutes in and I want to like, put on my shoes and come find you now in person. Yeah. I don't want to share you with everyone else anymore. Yeah. I'm ready to go. Those are all some great things that I have a lot to say on all of that. I'm going to answer part of it right now. In the same sense of you need to talk to your kids every day is that you may

not see him again. The same thing with your parents. Right. And my dad stood up there in front of us all six years ago, hit the CrossFit health conference at the games and went on and on and on about P values. There wasn't a person in the room interested, sadly. And now I'm that guy. And so, you know, we talk about effective communication. What he had to tell us about was probably the most important thing you could talk to

anyone about, especially given what we were just talking about, and that is what happened in terms of public health. And it's the science failing is what it is. When anyone gets up there and talks about trust, love, science, and I learned this from Matt Prigg, what the fuck is the science, right? You got a problem right there. The science is settled.

And I wish I had tuned into his message sooner, but I was trying to run this company. But now that's become my life's work to continue in that vein. And in closing, I just share with everyone that, you know, I did everything I could to avoid my father's lessons and took refuge in the gym

and applied his lessons almost unwittingly and developed the fastest growing chain in world history. I didn't want to have my own gym, much less launch 15,000, but it did happen. And from that vantage point, we saw that medicine was similarly afflicted with the same academic shortcomings. afflicted with the same academic shortcomings. And thrust from the fitness space, suddenly in 2020, I was in perfect position to answer the question, what is it that presented the opportunity for me in fitness? That is, what is the nature of the academic shortcomings in the fitness space? What is the nature, cause, etiology? What is it that creates this shortcoming in the health space, in the public fitness space? What is the nature, cause, etiology? What is it that creates this shortcoming in the health space,

in the public health space? And ultimately, what has happened in academic science that's created this horrific mess that is the replication crisis? And the replication crisis is real, and we can't trust studies in psychology and sociology, economics, and gender studies. It may not come as a surprise to anyone. But to learn that the epistemic debasement of modern science

that has so afflicted the social sciences has also caught medicine right between the eyes. It is also perfectly unreliable. So, you know, I wish I had understood my father's message more clearly and I'm fortunate that I got out of it what I did being perfectly 100% resistant to it.

I wonder what it would have been like if I had read his book when he asked me to a thousand times. So yeah, I regret regret it again there's that kind of shit love you i'll see you today let's go to breakfast come on over okay cool i will thank you everyone for for listening to two old friends talk about talk about life i'll give you a call in about 10 minutes all right okay bye bye uh ladies and gentlemen gray glassman uh philip

kelly uh break uh Kelly $5 for breakfast tacos thank you, I'm gonna get a jalapeno and sausage omelette over at the restaurant Paul Sebastian, thank you so much for keeping Greg's message alive in the space, here's the thing Paul, I appreciate that here's the thing

I say this with zero fucking humility. He can do this with anyone. I am not sure why. I feel that way about pretty much anyone who comes on the podcast. Whether it be Tyler Watkins, Brian Friend brian friend dave castro uh patrick beth david but greg glassman he'd go anywhere he could do podcasts every day now until the day he dies and sure there's some people like it's fucking crazy that someone like joe rogan hasn't um

It's fucking crazy that someone like Joe Rogan doesn't have him on. I mean Greg is fucking so rad. He's made for – this medium is made for him. He's easily up there with Jordan Peterson in terms of just quotes and the processor he has, the shit that just would rain from him the fruit from the greg glassman tree would just rain he just needs the right stimulus right so uh he could he could go on platforms i don't know i'm i'm honored and excited and like so proud not humbled i'm so proud that he'll do this for me. So although you're saying thank you, someone, for keeping his message alive, I can't believe he comes on here and lets me pick his brain like this.

This is cool as shit. And to be honest with you, I didn't know if it was ever going to happen. He told me a thousand times he'd come on the show. And I'm an easy friend, and he's an easy friend. He told me a thousand times he'd come on the show. I'm an easy friend, and he's an easy friend. And then one day, finally, I sent him the number, and he called in. And here we are. We're now three or four talks in.

So we're looser. When we're together, we're very loose. We're looser like when we're together we're very loose we're looser than than this um but uh each show you're you're getting also a deeper and deeper insight into our friendship and we're and we're i think we're there's some subtleties and nuances that are you guys will see start leaking out but we're not usually i don't talk to him quite this formally um so um i i i have uh i have a contact right now that is inside one of the regionals um uh i'm assuming it's the northeast it's not africa oh yeah it says north america east and i'm trying to get this person to uh hit hit a link or call me. Let me see if I can send the phone number. What is the phone number here? Let me see if he'll call in. 928-583-3903.

Can you just call? By the way, I did see that Matt Souza did make a schedule. Souza, what's the schedule? And I haven't put 30. Oh, oh, not you. You. I've created a semi-finals thread. These are all the people that I want to harvest Intel pictures,, uh, during the next four or five days. And so I've started this thread and I told one of the guys to call in, but there's like 15 people on the thread. So someone's like, I can't call you. I'm in an airplane. You know, you're not supposed to call. Um, I'm calling in soon. I need to rant about my husband. Oh, no. Oh, here we go. Oh, here we go. Hey, dude, what's up?

What's up? Hey, thanks for calling. You are at the, Mike Halpin, you are at the North America East Regional. You're inside the venue. Semifinal, yes. What did I say? What did I call it? Regional. Yeah, semifinal. I apologize. I'll have to die hard.

Yeah. So does it start today starts tomorrow there's volunteer check-in and set up today fantastic are there any rules i'm assuming there's no rules about you calling in and telling us what you see and what you hear what you smell and what you feel um but but what what about video are you allowed to uh stream with us uh i will be working with the broadcast team with chase and folks um so probably not me but right okay okay fair enough oh and what do you see does is the place set up it um completely set up do you see like the floor set up and yeah the floor's down look, it's looking good in there. I don't,

I haven't really seen any athletes or anything like that yet, but, um, but yeah, the, the teams are definitely here setting up and, uh, it looks pretty good.

Uh, it's pretty loud in there. They've been doing mic checks and stuff. You're not actually in there right now. You're like around the perimeter of the venue. Yeah. And, um,

uh, registration. Are you seeing a lot of athletes registering? I think that officially starts tomorrow, but I've seen a couple of coaches and people knowing about. Wait, tomorrow's Friday. Registration's got to be today. It's got to be today. Today's Wednesday.

Oh, shit. Okay, well, fine. Why are you there so early? Don't you have like a day job and shit? know this is how i have fun i guess uh yes i do but here i am early flight with the only option let me should i should i speak to you um with a code name just in case your employer's listening or uh or your wife's listening and they think that you're somewhere else no they're aware of how big of a nerd i am so it's fine okay um anything i'm stoked that uh that you're on the ground anything you'd like to share anything surprising um but looks like is it more beautiful and robust and fantastic than you thought uh or or the opposite anything like that

yeah there's a good amount of vendors here. It looks like everybody's setting up. The floors are all down, so 20 lanes across is pretty tight, but they'll get it done. There you go, buddy. That's some good intel, 20 lanes. You heard it here first on the 7-1 podcast. And then there are the two floors here at NA East, and then same would be at West and Europe,

so it does look like everything that has been said is true. There's only, I can see, um, a few of the production folks are already setting up cameras and stuff like that. So, um, it is going to be all on the, the side with the rig on it. So the pull up rig and all that. Meaning all the camera stuff is dedicated to one of the floors and the other floor will be like stuff. It'll have some community events and then it's those three events that won't be broadcast on Friday and Saturday. How many events did you say? Three? You mean two?

Three. Oh, I thought it was just... Three total. There's two individual events and one team event. Ah, yes, yes. Who gives a fuck about the team event? But I appreciate your accuracy. Oh, Rogue. Is there a Rogue tent there? Is there a Rogue vendor there?

Can I get Rogue shit? It looks like it. I've seen a lot of it. There's a CrossFit affiliate booth that looks pretty big right as you go in. There's all the new sponsors they've announced are all setting setting up here um still still early in the day i think um be able to tell too much but yeah uh they're here assault is here so let me let me ask you this too this is from our a uh our european correspondent uh pedro uh from the great coffee pods and wads. He has a question for you. Mr. Halpin, can you see any of those

giant checks so we can find out what the prize is for the event that starts tomorrow, the prize money? Do you see any giant checks or have any insights into the prize money? I have not seen anything that would tell me one way or the other on that. Okay. Let's wait for the podium

on Sunday, I guess. Another great question from our correspondent out in a farm somewhere in Iowa, Logan Mars, is Jocko Fuel there? That's a good question. Yes, they are. Oh, awesome. Well, shit, they didn't mess around. A lot of Jocko Fuel is sitting right at the front.

Can you reach out and just sample one? Is there a free sample you could taste right now and give us some feedback on it? I'll have to see about that next time I'm on. Okay. If I have some. All right, brother. Well, thank you.

That is the first report for the Sevan podcast here on Wednesday, May 17th for the North America East semifinal. This is awesome. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Thank you, sir. All right. Talk to you soon. Bye-bye.

I'm so proud of this show. God damn, I'm proud of this show. Susie, you should be proud of this show, too. So should you, Caleb. You guys should be so proud. Oh, my goodness. i'm so proud oh man all right here we go uh all right um uh halpin is there joaco fuel is there rogue is there uh it's wednesday okay there is caleb beaver so proud yeah you should be it's fucking awesome oh someone sent me a dm with some more beaver names i wish i could remember them they were good uh hillar's therapist we're proud of you someone are you allowed to say that as a therapist? Not a little.

Someone, did you try to text Will? I mean, I every I don't have a text thread that Will's not on in my phone, even the one with my mom and my my wife. And she wills on all of them. Yes, thank you, Yanni. My connections are on fire. Not Harry Beaver. It was something better all right okay guys uh time to eat i will um i i think that there is there a show tonight oh yeah there's a show tonight uh with um hunter and hiller i think tonight's show is going to be wild

i think there will be some intense uh steroid. The show is supposed to be kind of like a farewell party to pump up Hunter before his High Rocks event, but I suspect that this show is going to be wild. Okay, I will see you guys this evening. Bye-bye.