The Sevan Podcast - Shut Up & Scribble // Rest days? Do you need them?

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Taylor Self and J.R. Howell discuss rest days. How to write affiliate programming and incorporate recovery for your athletes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Go! Go! You just put a giant bullseye on this place. We rolled the dice one last time. Landman, new series now streaming exclusively on Paramount+. Go? Go. Welcome to Shut Up and Scribble everyone. I'm your host, J.R. Howell along with Taylor Self. I have something to get off my chest immediately. And it's only fitting that it's right before Friendsgiving when a lot of my members, my beloved family of CrossFit Crash is gonna come to the gym and we're gonna gather, we're gonna eat heartily and enjoy some fellowship. I know Andy is really really clean in his gym and he

does he does a really good job making people clean as the day goes on. So the gym never really gets dirty. You make a mess, you clean it up right then and there. I'm forever perplexed at the mindset that some people have as soon as they enter the gym. For instance, I come into the gym to mop the floors. I know the floors

are not clean. That's why I'm coming in here to mop them. But every 10 feet or so, there's just a little clump of red clay. And it's like, you can tell it's obviously come from betwixt the treads of a work boot, if you will. Right? And I'm not saying that has to be a male, right? But I don't know of many female construction workers that go to my gym, you may, or that just work outside all day and have to wear really muddy boots. My question is this, you know that your boots are dirty.

You know that they're muddy. You know that at one point, they were probably wet and muddy. But yet when you come into the gym and you walk around, it's not, there's no thought behind it at all. And after you take them off and put on your gym shoes, you have to see all the little clumps of red clay that you have left behind. A trail of breadcrumbs, if you will.

What is, why, why do people not take the initiative to be like, oh man, my boots are really dirty. Maybe I should get a broom. Maybe I should get a mop. Maybe I should get a paper towel and wet it. I don't know, something. If I went into your house, Taylor, for dinner or just for a game of Monopoly and my shoes were dirty.

Do you not think that I would take them off when I got to your doorstep or that I, you know, I wouldn't just assume hey, I attracted a bunch of mud, dude. Sorry, you're going to clean it up when I leave. Uh, here's the thing, dude. It is. It is. It is probably because I'm the one that cleans my floors. And that's I mean, if you ask Hiller and Mr. Glassman, that's the last thing that I should be doing is a gym owner is cleaning. But you know what? I'm cool with it. I clean the floors once or twice a week and I'm obviously cleaning them because I know they're dirty. I'm just can't get over the thought process. Dude, you would not walk in your own house and do that. This is what I yeah. So here's the deal. I don't think you I don't think you're right For this reason you are like that at your home and I am like that at my home

But there are people that exist who just don't actually give a fuck and They are nasty people and I'm not saying they're used to someone coming behind them and cleaning it up all the time yeah, I'm not saying that whoever did this is a nasty person meaning like I Mean like you're fucking nasty bro And what I mean by that is I saw this real on Instagram the other day of this cop doing a child wellness check at this guy's house and the guy's like oh yeah, they're upstairs and She's he was like I'll go game. guy's like, oh yeah, they're upstairs. And she's, he was like, I'll go get him. She's like, I come with you. He's like, yeah, you know, I've been trying to paint the rooms cause they've been smearing shit all over the walls. And

he goes up and he opens his door and there's brown feces streaks all over the walls. This guy's clearly abusing these kids are neglected. But all I'm saying is some people live in a house with shit on their walls, man. You don't know who your members are, you know who most of them are, and you know them, but you don't know, know all of them. So this fucking nasty dude might be living in a house with shit on his walls.

He probably doesn't care one iota about some clay in between the tread of his boots when he's got feces on his walls. So next time you see this man, say, hey bro, I know you live in a house with shit all over your walls, but I don't want mud on my floor. And then he might think twice about it next time. And if- I think the last thing, we're almost five minutes in,

we've probably lost half of the viewers that we had when we started. It doesn't pale in comparison to the post grass cutting tennis shoes. So for some reason, what will always happen comparison to the post grass cutting tennis shoes. So the for some reason what will always happen is someone will come in the gym, they'll see all the air runners, they're very inviting, they're right in front of the door, hey, I'll just warm up on

the runner. So I'll do go for a little jog, go for a little walk. And it is unbelievable in the summertime how there's just a pile of grass clippings right behind the belt right behind the air runner because they've just Essentially just let it like clean off their shoes and I'm thinking to myself I mean I can't I have to just go get a broom and get it or I have to stare at it all day And he would freak out dude. It is somebody tracks mud in the gym, dude. He freaks out He's like look at what you're doing. Are you fucking kidding me? CrossFit crash family. I'm well on my way to mr. Hindle. So yeah, I

Can't wait till one day we can alternate between Programming talk and gym owner talk cuz one day Taylor's probably gonna own that gym and we're just gonna get on and rage About little things that as a gym owner your members need to hear but you can't really say to the face Okay, yeah, well there's those little things don't exist for Andy. And what I mean by that is there is no stone that cannot be overturned. There is no topic that cannot be, that needs to be left untouched. Everything is fair game with that guy. So, all right, we're going to get into to start. What do you think the weight should have been today? I mean, it just, after I saw that one girl doing it, I was like, damn, 80 is so much easier for women than, than one 15 is for guys.

Well, this sounds bad, but I'm, if, if you would have sent me 75, I think I would have just had a, a, a Tourette and been like, no, not 75 has to at least be 80. But I remember you sending me the workout and thinking 85 is probably going to be good on that. But it's so much upper body fatigue and grip fatigue that I don't know. Maybe you could just leave it. And now looking back on it, I wonder if it was 85 if Ariel would have been able to beat me. Or it should have just been seven minutes. Or it should have been seven minutes of 14 and seven because I think

one less toast to bar, but two less snatch and you can probably still pull away. Yeah. Who knows? All right. So this is, we're going to answer a question today from Alex Jekyll's. The question was, I was talking to someone at the gym today about their training and they said their coach programs for them seven days a week.

So I said, Oh, how many rest days? And they said, none. It's actual training pieces to do seven days a week. No active recovery or conditioning choice like you get. Logic tells me surely that's wrong. How are you ever going to progress if you can't recover, but would be interesting to hear your thoughts might be hard without seeing specifically what one of their days looks like. So rest days. Let's start for an affiliate. Uh, do you,

not affiliate athlete, right? This is someone who does like, right. I think this is not an affiliate athlete. Yeah, but we should start with an affiliate and say, I'll just say what we do for Charlotte. We don't ever program anything for Sunday. So Sunday is kind of like an off day. We do have open gym. People can unlock the gym, come and train whenever they want. They have the app if they're an unlimited member, but on Sundays I don't program anything. I program Monday through Saturday and there are not any rest days Monday through Saturday, but I program in a way where around

Wednesday or Thursday of each week, there is a day that's invariably different than all of the others in terms of it's lower impact. Maybe it's just a heavy day and it's a lift that if you're sore and tired and beat up, you don't have to go heavy, but you can come in and get some camaraderie and work on some stuff. Um, so whether that's like a heavy deadlift day or a bench press deadlift day, um, or whether it's row and bike intervals, um, or whether it's some running with rowing or running with biking or, or just something that is not 2159 thrusters pull-ups, for example, to allow people kind of who are coming Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, a bit of a reprieve, what do you do for the affiliate for crash?

Uh, so I have programming Monday through Sunday and like you're describing one day a week, typically that day for us is Thursday and Sunday. So Sunday is burn. Burn is always machines with or without simple body weight movements and occasionally something weighted like a Russian kettlebell swing, a single arm dumbbell snatch, very light, something weighted like a Russian kettlebell swing, a single arm dumbbell snatch, very light, a ball slam, a Russian twist, you know, something something like that very like what a lot of people describe as a boot camp type stuff. But normally, like this week was a little different because we had some hero workouts and people did Chad last Sunday. But typically Thursday is what you're describing. Sometimes the intensity is high.

Sometimes it's like two on two all for 10 sets max cal something. And then other times it's other times it's pace intervals. So it's like every eight minutes for five sets. And there's built in two to three minutes of rest, but it's for distance. And the chunks are a little bit bigger, like 800 meter run thousand meter row, something something like that, every, you know, 10 minutes for three sets or something like that. So no, and I feel very strongly that we've talked about people adapting to what they're used to in order to move the needle, something needs to be adjusted.

A dowel needs to be turned up or turned down. I think every person is fine moving for an hour doing something every single day. So I am not in the camp of, you need to get out of the gym one day a week and just completely do nothing. Does that mean that going on a walk counts? Sure, it does.

And I'm just saying, don't sit on the couch or get in and out of your crowd therapy boots, because you do six affiliate workouts a week. Like it's not a hundred percent necessary. Most people I think do need a day out of the gym to actually rest and recover. But I don't think it's necessary. I program so that if there are people in the gym that want to be in the gym every single day, they can do it and they can do it safely. Yeah, I agree.

I don't think you, I don't think everyone needs a rest day. I do, for example, what you just mentioned, I think to be fit for life, you can work out for 30 minutes to an hour every day and be just fine. Angelo Martinez says, dropped into Charlotte the last few days, had some fun legless rope climb practice on Friday. I met Angelo this morning. Um, sorry, Angelo, I lost kill Taylor. I let you down, bro. Um, so like you said, I don't think everyone needs a rest. I don't think you have to have a rest day. That being said, if you are looking for performance and you are training at a high volume, you definitely need a rest day, I think. If you're looking to peak your performance or you're looking to perform

at the highest intensity level possible over a stretch of days or whatever, you definitely need rest. Yeah, I don't know anyone that's doing more than the class every single day that I would not advise that they need to take one day where they don't do anything. Yeah.

And what I mean by don't do anything, I mean, like I'll tell people I coach specifically on Thursday, you need to be in here, but you need to be doing the chili goat and the sauna or the hot tub back and forth contrast, or I need to see you doing like- You have a hot tub? Yeah, we made one of the chili goats hot

and then the other one next to it's cold. Damn, bro. So I mean, I tell people that they need to take their recovery seriously and that goes for things other than just sleeping and eating correctly. So they need to be doing body work. And then one day a week, I recommend that they don't do anything and typically that's Sunday for people

who are more competitive. Like just wake up, go to church, sleep in, um, refeed. I mean, for a lot of people, they'll tell me, you know, I don't know about you. This is interesting to hear what you have to say that the most hungry they ever are or the day that they're not training. And that's when they can, that's when they can eat. I, I, here's a hot take. If you're not training to compete,

you don't want to compete at semi-finals. You don't want to compete at the games or whatever. I don't think you should be training in a manner where you have to take a rest day. Do you get what I'm saying? I don't think you should be training to a volume or I don't think you should be doing workouts that force you into a rest day or make say, Ooh, I should rest today. Uh, I don't think that's good long-term. I think there is this trend and CrossFit, so to speak to go really, really, really, really, really hard, take a rest day, um, or do so much, do too much,

whatever, take a rest day. Um, I think you can, I still think also you can train for more than an hour a day. And probably don't need a rest day, seven days a week. You just have to go about it the right way. Like if you could do some machine intervals, you could do a crossfit workout, you could do some pushups and strict pull ups. I mean, you could do that every day of the week.

Yeah. I think that the, the, I think that the definition of cross fit and the definition of work capacity, and we've talked about that before, but it really should be variable intensity. And if you don't have a coach that knows, hey, you're going to go really, really, really, really hard on this day, like a true 100% effort, like it's a qualifier or like it's a competition. And then on the days around it you're going to go somewhere between 80 and 90 percent they probably don't know what

they're doing because if a true 100% effort unless you're in a competition is really really hard to do even on consecutive days and I'm talking about something like uh three rounds for time 25 burpees 25 kettlebell swings with a seven like like a real stinker of a, like you're laying on the ground. You're kind of tired the rest of the day. You kind of feel nauseous the rest of the day. You're sleepy. Um, that kind of what we say, like an open type effort.

Uh, I think there's a reason why you can't tap into that intensity all the time, because true 100% isn't repeatable every single day. Right. You get, you need to recover to go back to it. Um, but that's also why there's threshold training and why the phrase threshold training exists is because you can get your 100% a lot fitter by training at 98% without how, without needing the recovery that a 100% effort takes, um, yeah, I don't yet.

And here's the other thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with also not training to compete and not training to go to semifinals or the games or quarterfinals or whatever, and still taking a rest day. I think that's just fine. I mean, I think you don't need to work out more than five times a week to be in crazy good shape. You can work out three days on one day off, two days on one day off.

And as long as you have a good training regimen, as long as you're putting forth great intensity, which is kind of the great thing, it's the magical thing about CrossFit, hey, you don't have to work out three hours a day, seven days a week. You can work out five days a week, one hour and get great intensity. And as long as you're eating well, which is the most important thing to begin with, you're going to be incredibly fit. And you know, there are people and I mean, even I'm at a point right now where I need at least one day a week not to not work out, but where I have 10 hours uninterrupted to work and do other things. We're working out what take away from that. Um, like a catch up day, so to speak, uh, on my own work. Yeah, it's something we probably should have stated

in the beginning. We really just got into the question and said, yes or no, we feel strongly about it. There are other factors that go into it also. What's your day like? Are you, do you put in pools for a living? Do you work outside? Are you the construction guy that tracks in mud?

Are you someone that sits at a desk all day? Do you have kids? What's your training age? Because with like 10 years of hard training, I think most people are fine going harder a little bit more frequently and not needing that once a month recovery day. I think I remember, remember on the games profile,

when you used to have to put in, do you eat a certain way? What do you do? I weigh and measure or I eat quality foods but I don't measure the amount or they would get to the rest days. They would say, I take one a week. I take one a month.

Well, I think was an option. You had to click one of them. It was interesting to see that. But yeah, I think training age and then also age age. So if you're 60 years old and you're getting after it hard, I don't recommend someone 60 years old going really, really hard more than five days a week. But if they are a junkie, which I'm sure I'll be, I mean, say, hey dude, just put on a podcast and come in and just don't even look

at the screen and just ride the bike for an hour if that's what you want to do. Or go for a walk or whatever. Right. Yeah. So rest days. I think they're dope. Um, I think most people could use them. What I think is probably more beneficial than a rest day for most people to be honest is actually stretching and warming up and cooling down properly and moving well. I think a lot of people are like, Oh, I'm sore. I'm tired and beat up. I'm going to take a rest day. Like, Hey, maybe you wouldn't be so sore, tired, or beat up if you weren't fucking squatting on your toes all the time, or if you knew how to externally rotate your shoulder at the bottom of an overhead squat, things like that.

So there are a lot of things that go into it. I think people who move phenomenally just, you don't get beat up as much. So that's important to note as well. And there are also people where, hey, if you have something that's just been lingering, maybe it's an issue you've had your whole life or it's a newer injury or you've had a joint replacement or you have a bad elbow or whatever, there's nothing wrong with training in a way that never hurts that because you're not going to the games. It doesn't matter if you have some random hole in your fitness.

What matters is that you enjoy working out it leaves you feeling better than when you started the workout And you're not stressing about oh, no my arm hurts or whatever like hey just fuck it relax Hey, and here's here's the news flash, right? Public service announcement for all you gym owners out there Stop making the person that's expressing these things to you. This nagging thing that's like maybe from something they did before CrossFit, or maybe it's something that's just been nagging them for years and they're still coming into the gym five days a week training really hard. They're not like, oh, I see him once a week or every other week or something. And they're expressing this like, hey dude, whenever we do reverse sled drag,

for some reason my calves are really sore. Okay, cool dude, what do you wanna do instead? I don't know, I could really get after it on the Echo bike. Awesome, do the Echo bike. Stop trying to make them do what you program just because of your pride. Like they're expressing something to you that's just kind of always nagging.

It's not due to their own negligence in the matter. Like just be cool with it. I, that really does bother me when, when people get so caught up in the, you're not doing crossfit if you're not squat snatching once a week. You're not doing crossfit if you're not practicing your handstand pushups or whatever. Like, dude, do you want them to come to the gym or do you want them to be sore because they always, do you want them to get cranks in their neck because they can't get upside down? Like just let them, let them do what they need to do. Right. You can a hundred percent do CrossFit without doing, there are, you could probably

take 10 movements and say, if you never did them, you can still do CrossFit. You could, I mean, fuck, you could do, you could do just, you could do CrossFit for the rest of your life. If you only had 10 movements to choose from, I think, um, would it be as varied as some other training regimens? No, but you 100% could do CrossFit if you just had I think. Um, would it be as varied as some other training regimens? No, but you 100% could do CrossFit if you just had 10 exercises. Hey, Becca, what's up? Um, that's maybe a hot take, but again, if you're like, okay, I only have these 10 things I can do. Everything else hurts and makes me feel bad about myself. You can still do CrossFit.

Yeah. We need to, we need to write this down, but we need to do an episode where we talk about, like, are there movements that you stay away from when you program because you've just seen a lot of injury over the years? Or do you think that if you don't do the Snatch and Clean and Jerk once a week, one or the other, that your members really aren't doing CrossFit because that's one of the foundational movement movement patterns like stuff like that. Like if you're or if you're does it count if you're doing a kettlebell swing because you're still doing quarter extremity like that. I think we need to get into that because there are some movements that that I purposefully do not program because there are other movements

that I believe are just more beneficial to overall health, wellness, longevity, like that kind of stuff. Yeah. What else? What's new in the CrossFit world, bro? You've been paying more attention to the group chat than I have. I guess they only, I guess, well, I guess what, what will be next? Well, I guess be water Palooza. Oh No, Dubai, I guess I heard we're commentating water Palooza me and you water Palooza what I heard we're running the broadcast I

Won't be going to water Palooza to broadcast. Oh All right, maybe it was maybe that was a misinformation Disinformation that was a misinformation. Probably you're going to go into the talent. That was probably disinformation. The talent of the game day show. Yeah. I am. I am interested to see though, after Rogue, especially the people that didn't do as well or the people that did really well and overperformed. How many of those people are like, yeah, I'm going to do water Palooza because I don't

want that to be the last off season competition I do before the season starts or how many of those people are like, yeah, I'm going to do waterpalooza because I don't want that to be the last off season competition I do before the season starts or how many people just do team. If you got to invite to waterpalooza, would you do it? No. This is an ad by BetterHelp. What comes to mind when you hear the word gratitude? Maybe it's a daily practice or maybe it feels hard to be grateful right now. Don't forget to give yourself some thanks by investing in your well-being. BetterHelp is the largest online therapy provider in the world, connecting you to qualified professionals via phone, video, or message chat.

Let the gratitude flow. Visit betterhelp.com to learn more and save 10% on your first month. That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P dot com. This podcast is brought to you by Humber River Health Foundation. HelpHELives.ca. Really? Really? Just because like you just want to be as fit as you can be, but you don't care about competing or why? What's the reason? I just don't want to compete in the winter. I've got, I'm like about to buy a house. I got all this other shit going on. Um, that's yeah, I just don't have any interest.

I did NorCal. I did crash. Uh, you did fit fast. Yeah. I mean, that was the three too many. I don't know. No, that's what I was going to ask you. Looking back on all, all of that, looking back on the last couple

months, is there one that you wish you would have just skipped? No, there's not one I wish I would have skipped. No. I mean, I had fun at all of them. They were experiences that I don't regret. They were experiences that I think added to my life. I made $10,000 So that's nice Those of you that watched Peter's episode behind the scenes from crash The first one that he put out is good, but episode 2 I've already seen the one that's coming out on Monday It is it is 10 times as good as episode 1. It's really good. It's awesome. Yeah So

No, but I do think going forward, I'm, I'm more wanting to have fun, be the priority. And I think that to be honest for the past year, it has been, and I don't know that I will ever go back to a place where like Peter in episode one was like like every time I had a decision to face I would ask myself Will this help me win the CrossFit games? Just wait just wait to see the other what's going on in Taylor's head better coming there. Oh shit I can't wait, but no, I don't fucking think that at all I mean really that so for you like it's almost like a once-a-week open like kill Taylor does that give you the So for you, like, it's almost like a once a week open, like, kill Taylor, does that give you the competition itch enough once a week?

But you don't feel that when you do? I don't even feel, I'm almost desensitized to it. I don't even feel like I know there are workouts that I could write where it's like, all right, no one could beat me in this. But then I would have to do really the same shit every week. And I don't care necessarily to do that. I would much, you know, I think what's more important to me on Kil Taylor than winning every week.

And it is important that I like care, right? I don't want fucking Ariel to beat me. And I thought that programming at 80 pounds was stupid. And I should have just made it seven minutes. And when I even thought about pacing the workout, I was like, Hmm, maybe, maybe breaking the toes to bar up. But, um, what's most important to me is that there are cool

workouts that people enjoy watching. Um, and workouts that I enjoy doing also. Um, if that workout would have been hang snatch at the same weight, do you think it would have been easier or harder to beat you? You can do singles. Harder to beat me. So you would have done better comparatively to people that were trying. Yeah, I think so. Because I did when I was watching you do it before I watched everyone else, I was like, I thought maybe he would do like a cluster of five touch and go and then do 4 singles and go right back and go 9-6 coz I thought you were gonna break the toast bar from the beginning so that you could hang on to the bar for a few rounds and I was like if there were hang snatch

you'd have no choice. You'd have to at least hold on for a few. So that would have been yeah. Have you done a hang movement yet other than kettlebell, double kettlebell? No. You should. Think about doing maybe like a hang clean and jerk with a barbell or like a double dumbbell hang clean and jerk or hang snatch or it'd be cool to do a hang movement one week. It would be something about that. But anyways, yeah, I think really, But anyways, yeah, I think, I think really, you know, to be the main thing is to be great. I think I don't, I have this, I'm at this point at least where I would have to be incredibly focused and obsessive about the way I manage training around my knee. Um, and the dedication that would go into warming up, rehab, rehab,

cooling down, recovering, and still would have to manage volume squad on this day, around this day, et cetera. And I just don't really have the desire to do that. What's more important, like the worst thing in the world is when you push or for me is when I've pushed things a little too hard in training or a little too hard in competition, you know, I've had five knee surgeries on that knee and not from CrossFit either, which is, you know, the interesting part. I tore it playing football, had it redone after a skateboarding injury.

Then that graft was a failure. So then I had the two part surgery. And then after the first one, I had a screw removed because it was a failure. So then I had the two part surgery. And then after the first one, I had a screw removed because it was backing out. But anyways, there's just a lot of miles on that and pushing something too hard in training. And then being that person who has to stand at the whiteboard, who can't demo the movements for class, you're like, fuck this workout. You have that thing where you just, you feel kind of fragile or you don't want to do this exercise or that. I hate that. And competing is not worth feeling that way.

Do you know what I'm saying? Um, yeah. And too, like knowing how busy you are at this point of the game, something has to give. So if you have to dedicate more time, not only to the planning of that volume, you have to have more time to actually execute it, which means something. It either means you coach less. You spend less time trying to improve your online business or you have less time to coach other people.

I already only coach one class a day during the week. So just five classes a week, which is not a lot. That's way less than I have it. And even still I'm like, okay, you know, I don't have a ton of time. I still really care and I still want to be really good. And I don't think my ego will allow me to just not train hard, but I also just enjoy doing it. Um, but there is a difference between training hard because you like to train and training

to make the crossfit games. Um, yeah, I know all about that. I've jumped in. I've, I've trained more this week than I have in months. Um, just because my mother-in-law was here and I jumped in and did a few workouts like with Lindsay and there was a few other people here at the gym. And, uh, yeah, I realized that even going 90 minutes a day instead of 60 minutes a day really starts to add up, especially if you're soon to be 40.

I trained a lot this week too. I'm doing like a lot. I did have several double sessions with Bryson and we're starting to do, I was talking earlier today about like some bodybuilding stuff with him because he's like a buck 80 and his upper body needs to be a bit more developed. But also it's fun for me to do too. And it's not like, you know, it's not all conventional bodybuilding. Like yesterday we did five sets, two unbroken pegboards, 30 pushups as fast as possible, rest like a minute between. Um, so stuff like that. Um, but yeah, wow. Shout

out to the sponsors helping us out is in December. I don't even want to talk about that. I did. I, I, I, um, I'll just say this. One of the workouts is out, right? And it's a 20 minute, um, I think it's max Cal test on the bike. Erg is that really it? It's 20 minutes, max Cal's it's 20 minutes.

Yeah. I don't think it's, I don't think it's average watt, but it's 20 minutes max cow biker Which hey, I think is a really cool workout on its own It's not fun to watch but if they have a screen and you can see people's paces and you can see all that also be fun It's damper tin now at that point. I feel very strongly that it's not a Well written workout for a competition because now you are taking the person who is smaller already, who is already at a disadvantage on a machine that they don't have to deal with their body weight, like on, like

running, right, or swimming. And then now you're telling them they have to have more strength, more body weight to push against the pedal. So, so someone, let's just say like Brittany Weiss, who's obviously very good on a bike, or getting extremely aerobic, she is now at a huge disadvantage because she probably has to stand at damper 10, at least 30 on 30 off,

maybe 45 on 15 off for 20 straight minutes. And if you're sitting on the erg at 10 and you can keep whatever pace that it takes me standing, dude, I'm toast, I'm toast. So while I think the 20 minute test for a max whatever, watts or calories is a cool workout and it does feel very Dubai, making it damper 10 to me just goes a little bit too far in that direction.

It is mandated damper 10. Yeah. What were you doing the whole time I was just talking? Sorry, dude. That's fucking retarded. Dubai sucks ass, dude. First off- So what I'm saying is just, now you're-

Do you have to stand? No, but I'm saying now you're punishing the small athlete twice, not just because it's a machine max output, but because they can't go at, I mean, if you can listen, if you can spin it three at a hundred RPM and I can spin it seven at 90 great. Now we're, I mean, if that's the way we're going to do it, great. Like that's cool that you can see different strategies, but Dan pretend is, is yeah, it's going to hurt more, but like, is that the, is that the point to just hurt more? I mean, everyone's going to be hurting for 20 minutes getting Matt's cows.

That competition has got some of the worst programming I've ever seen. And that's just unbelievable. First off, no one wants to fucking watch 20 minutes of people sitting on a bike. Stupid dumb as fuck. You can accomplish it in so many other ways and no, let me hear guys. Let me tell you, I love the biker. Let me hear guys. Let me tell you, I love the biker. I've spent probably thousands of hours on it over the past eight years that I've owned a biker coming off of surgery, two, three hours a day.

No athlete wants to travel to fucking Dubai to participate in an event that's worth a hundred points. That's just 20 minutes on a fucking biker.'s not why they come to your competition bro yeah I mean at acid bath is acid bath is one of the most memorable awesome iconic workouts and it it feels like they're you know trying to duplicate that feeling a little bit and when I think about it I'm just like dude cool do seven minutes max cal see skevon seven, cool. Do seven minutes max cow, see skev seven minutes, max cow bike seven minutes, max cow row and just make it a 21 minute AMRAP

of calories. And you're, you're pretty much doing the same thing. The whole, you have to be at damper one or you have to be a damper 10. It it's, it's going and I'm all about like, Hey, you have to do the double owners unbroken. You have to do the wall balls unbroken. The whole don't tell me how to win argument I get, but when you are, when you are going that direction with something like a setting on a machine, then I think you are, you're, you're, you're playing, you're playing with a little bit too much. Yeah.

And here's the deal. You make that workout cool by saying kind of what you said, maybe seven, seven, seven, but also what would be cool is max calories on a bike or at the start at every three minute interval, 50 cal row or something. And every 15 calorie increment on the bike or you have to roll your biker forward five feet and you make the athletes move it so you can see the race

or something along those lines. I also, you know, Matt Byrne says the Prince doesn't give two shits. He pays them enough to come. Yeah, I mean, that's just like, it's true, but it's not like, Hey bro, that's great. You have oil money. Great. But no one's in your fucking stance watching because the workouts suck cock.

So cool. You can have all the money you want, but at the end of the day, you're just pissing it down the drain. Yeah. That's, that's the thing is that that's a, another topic we can get into, but it's not going to grow the fucking sport as much as we pick apart programming. At the end of the day, the athletes don't care. If they cared, they would say, yeah, I'm not, I've decided not to come because it's not a well-written test. Like they're just going to do,

they're going to do whatever they're, whatever they're supposed to do. So half. And that is, and that is true. If you, if you, if you run the show and you're putting up the money and you're doing the programming, you do whatever you want. That's right. A hundred percent true. Which is, which is true. I just think that, Hey, you guys are doing nothing to make the sport bigger, to bring in attention from elsewhere. So I don't know. And maybe they don't give a fuck. Maybe the only reason they're doing it is so the crown prince and his buddy can just sit there and fap in the stands at the athletes biking for 20 minutes. Maybe that's all they want to do.

Cool. I'm not watching it. But yeah, as the, as those come out, when we get, I think there is another one out. I want to say it's like double unders. Yeah, this one, the higher dubs, 20 stand back cleans, 50 toes bar, 20 stand back cleans. That's a cool workout. I'm going to do that workout. Yeah. If there's a cool workout. I'm gonna do that workout. Yeah

If there's a fucking jumps Yeah, I mean there are things with Dubai just like there are kind of things with at this point with rogue with back squat Three years in a row log muscle up three years in a row There are some things with I'm sure there's some things with crucible. I try not to be super redundant I mean don't don't be that guy you don't do that at crucible But I'm saying there are things that everyone's like, ah, if you're going to Dubai, you might have to do a workout with this. And if you're going to rogue, you might do a workout. This that's fine. Um, I would be surprised if they did like the supinated chest of bar again or the a jumps again, but that's, and, and you know, the sad truth is that's why those competitions

will never be as good as the games because you can't now, after seeing programming at Dubai and Rogue, it will be impossible for me to get as excited about them because I'm like, yeah, we know this is going to happen again. And it's just, it gets stale. It just gets stale. The games is almost like never stale. So you just, unless if you want to be an event that eclipses that, um, yeah, I don't know. I'm not even sure the community is the sport. The methodology is old enough to, um, do it better than Dave and boss and that team. They've just, they're just so good at it. Yeah. And that's the other topic. I mean, I assume at some point before the end of the year, we'll know what the actual season is. And we'll know if these other competing entities,

what their schedule is gonna be and how they're gonna do programming and how they're gonna farm out competitions. And I can say I have not been contacted to do any competition for any entity other than CrossFit Crash. All right, I gotta go. See ya. It was fun guys. Thanks.