The Sevan Podcast - TYR Wodapalooza // Breaking NEWS - Event 1 RAIN DELAYS AND EVENT CHANGES // Double or Nothin’

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

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We're here. Nice shirt. Bam, we're live. Andrew Hiller, thanks for joining us. Jason Grimm, thanks for joining us. Brian Spence and the Barbell Spence. If you guys, I know you already know this, but if you guys want to see what it's like at the venue, go over to the Barbell Spence YouTube page.

Those are already a 14-minute video up. You have to go to Loaded Videos, and it's the most recent one. And there's a 14 minute video there where you can take a tour of the uh facility uh talk to Guy Malheros, Nick Matthew uh people like that it's it's pretty darn cool um Brian so uh is it raining there we're hearing all sorts of rumblings that the workouts are changing the movements are changing the times are changing. The times are changing. What do you know? So it is not raining right now. It's drying out. Fortunately, this morning, you know, Tina Hills is where the first event is.

The LATAM Cup athletes are competing right now. So the floor has been dry the whole time. Everything's fine with that. But they did change the workouts for this afternoon for the elite individuals. So, Corredito and Deja Vu have both been changed. Is that official? Is that

posted anywhere? Or is that just rumblings you're hearing on the ground there? That's what I'm hearing. Talking with Tyler from Heat 1, he got the official okay that it's been changed. I believe the athletes have been briefed on that uh at least kaike when i talked to him he was aware of it so i think it's official and uh yeah you can you can see it i have it pulled up on my instagram i have a post out there that shows the

new workouts okay uh we'll we'll go over there right now caleb's uh pulling that up now oh what about um any any workouts been called off yet last year i recall or some of the other years when there's been a heavy rain they've actually called off workouts they usually start with more of you know the less prestigious classes before it actually hits the indie the uh elite well fortunately today thursday you know it's only elite individuals in the lat am cup so a bit much you know not a whole lot going on it's not like tomorrow where the community events are where there's just a slam-packed day um so just three events with elite individuals and lat am so a lot palmer day than it would be

the rest of the weekend uh i saw in your video that you went over to the vindicate booth and you also went over to the paper street coffee booth they're both up and running they're up and running they're right next to each other they're by the fountain so they have a bigger space uh paper street looks great vindicate looks great it's a good setup for them um i i saw this post come in and i wonder if you could help me with it um it's i'm not sure if I'm understanding this post right. It says it's from Proven Fitness. This is Waza elite athletes Nick Matthew, Carolyn Stanley, Olivia

Kerstetter, Sydney Wells, Colton Mertens. I have no idea. I'll have to ask him. Okay. I'm staying with him with Gabe at night. If I can't catch him today, I'll definitely check it out tonight and get an answer on what's going on. Have you seen any of the team

athletes? I got information on that. Okay, go ahead, Andrew Hill. I don't know if I'm allowed to disclose my nothing things. Should I say it anyway? Yeah, please. I said, dude, since when are you a proven athlete? He responded with today i guess oh awesome all right fair enough okay

colton mertens uh colton well i wonder how that's gonna affect him good bad indifferent Good, bad, indifferent? I don't know, but he's behind Tia Tumor's powers now, so he'll probably win. Spin, anything else you want to tell us from the ground there? Anything else that looks out of sight or in sight or looks more normal or less normal than years past? No, I mean, I think it's interesting that the lift is the first event to start the competition. I mentioned it on the show this morning with Shut Up and Scribble. I mean, we're going to see a lot of movement on the leaderboard, especially with some of the big guys like Bronislaw and Jack Farlow starting. But after that, I think it's going to change and go more in the favor of what we expect.

But Benny looks great. A lot of improvements. The gauntlet's now its own separate location, so that's pretty cool. It's right there in the middle of everything. Looking forward to the weekend. Okay, a couple things to point out to you guys. I think we're 26 minutes away from the Elite starting.

There's something you have to know. I don't understand it, but you listen up carefully. There isn't a Wadapalooza YouTube channel. You have to go to a YouTube channel that's called Loud and Live. I guess that's the parent company. I do not understand it. So many people have been texting me, calling me, asking me this morning. It's kind of crazy.

They're like, hey, dude, it's not on. It's not on. I found out last night you have to go to Loud and Live. I think the Wadapalooza YouTube station is defunct. It's done. If you go to my website, I have an article out that I published this morning. It has the link to the

live stream. It has the leaderboard. It has the link to the athletes. Everything you need is out there on one article. That's barbellspin.com. Okay, I see it. Barbellspin.com. Okay, great. Okay, they got to get that figured out. A lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of effort to put in this amazing event. And then just for people not to be able to find it because they can't find the website is no bueno.

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Correct. Lelou you guys are so lucky to have Chase in your life. thank you don't say that uh for all the hard-working boys especially the earlier show appreciate the coverage flaws and all yeah they killed it i also love the name lulu dallas multi-pass i love that movie i bet everyone's got no idea of the movie come on i just i man i just see that that chick's profile picture, and I just think she parties hard. I just want to party.

I just want to party. Okay. Can I give you an update on Colton? Please, please. He said everything up until this point is on him, and he will be working with them for this point forward. He's going to give them a try. He's controlling with his programming, so he's going to see how it goes.

try he's controlling with this programming so he's going to see how it goes and he has not done a proven workout to this point yet but we'll be moving forward well i'm excited for him hey there's nothing wrong it cannot hurt to be with the championship caliber athlete uh uh as uh tia to me there's you absolutely if you're around her and you don't learn something's wrong with you, what she's doing might not be for you. It might be for you, but if you can't learn from the six time champ, then, then,

then something's wrong with you. You got to own that. So, so I'm happy for Colton. I think it's a fantastic, I think it's great for proven too. I think it's great for proven. I think HWPO should have picked up a Colton two years ago.

I think they should have. I told O'Keefe that on a podcast. Hey, you represent, get them. Okay. Um, what let's talk about the pull-ups.

Uh, we are, uh, 20 minutes away from the, how is that? What's going to happen there? Chase it first. Let's talk about the good stuff.

Strict pull-ups. I'm trying to think if I've ever seen strict pull-ups. Chase. In a competition. Yeah. You haven't seen him for a reason okay okay judging kettlebell swings i'm excited for him i'm very excited for the strict pull-ups the the funny thing about these switch these changes is that with event two and event three you took the failure element component in event two with bar muscle-ups, shoulder overhead, and possibly ring dips, and you move them directly into event three with the strict pull-ups. 20 strict pull-ups for three, like 60 strict pull-ups

versus the 35 kipping chest to bar. Like they're not even the same challenge. It like strict is going to be so much more difficult for the athletes to navigate. Failure, risk, reward as far as big sets or small sets. And then the judging is going to be a major, unfortunately it could be a major factor in how this gets executed. Could be, Andrew Hiller, or will be? Is there any way to judge strict pull-ups with consistency?

I've got one off-the off the cuff opinion on how they should do that. And it would have to be keeping your toes in front of the bar for the entirety of the rep. So I was like, there's a straight line, right? And the judging to stand there and they need to be like basically watching your toes and your chin and you need to keep your toes in front of the bar. Other than that, I don't know how they're going to – because when you do a pull-up, a strict pull-up, you can really rock your hips quite a bit. But you can also kick from the shoulder. You can also kick from the shoulder, right.

People always say to me, they're like, wow, Stefan, you have really good strict pull-ups. And see how it goes in front of the bar the whole time? I do a gymnastics kick and people think it's strict. I'm like, that ain't it. I mean, at the level one, that's where they say the kickip originates is from the shoulder sean lenderman right full full arm lock out of the bottom is going to be something that's crazy too and and as far as what chase said changing the workout the stimulus of it is completely different too like 35 chest to bar for all

these people it's basically just exploding your heart rate tay Taylor said it when he did the workout as well. The biggest travesty of all of this is we're no longer going to be able to compare Taylor's time to everybody else's. That's completely different. That's a good point. Why are they doing strict? Is it because the bars are going to be wet? They don't want people flying off the bars? Because the PFAA is involved.

So you don't even think they shouldn't have changed it? Like, hey, quit being a pussy. Suck it up. Well, I mean, bars are wet. think it's they shouldn't have changed it like hey quit being a pussy suck it up well i mean bars are wet like there is a safety element to consider hey dude they do they do they do car racing on wet tracks they do do they do baseball in the rain guys running on the grass depends on the level of rain like and they do and they do football and they do football in the snow i don't want anyone to get hurt but it's like hey is it a is it a totally different move the kipping pull-up versus the strict pull-up is it

the whole workouts changed totally different isn't true because you're still doing a pull-up but it's very different yeah they're gonna be breaking up like sets of three some of them i swear because it'll it's just making sure your elbows are locked out at the bottom and i don't know why they're called chin over ball chin over the bar it's like a wall facing straight handstand push-ups they are a chest a wall it should just be wall facing up, your chin goes over the bar. Well, maybe for a sake of standards clearing, it's like they have to pull their chin directly over the bar to make sure versus just dipping your chin out. That makes it much harder as well.

That's going to be harder to judge though too. No, I think it'd be harder to judge without making sure that they put their chin over the bar. They gotta like tap their chin to the top of the bar. Yeah, like over the top. Mr. Spin, any other change, any other movement changes between the kipping pull-up

and the pull-up that we've heard? The box jumps are now 24 inches and 20 inches. And it's burpees, right? Just box jump overs. And what were they overs and what were they and what were they it was 30 inches 24 oh oh no there is no burpee i thought oh no so explain to me this so so someone explain to me what he just said what's the change so the box jump overs were 30 and 24 inches with that step down which which is a,

that's a big jump and a big step down. And it's really going to slow people down. Almost like running through mud versus running on concrete with the lower box. Like they're going to fly through this thing. And that might be. Now what is it? 24 and 20.

Yeah. And it changes. It's a totally different move. Everyone's going to go much faster. What's with this crap? It's like Rogue and now this. Why the change? Tell me why the change in that.

Is that rain also? Yeah, slipping off a high box, stepping off onto a wet floor. It went from elite Wadapalooza, crazy cool workout to it's decent, whatever, RX. Seve's garage? Yeah.

Yeah. They make the dumbbell 70 50 like lighten that as well you might as well at this point hey hey let's talk about who this is going to affect really quick here uh colton mertens is smiling right ear to ear yes great call actually androsic smiling ear to ear why is that because i think someone yesterday said she's four two i think she's four times but yeah yeah he's a short one right yeah so androsic on the women's side colton on the men's side and that's going to be a huge factor right i'm curious about athletes where we know their big failure points are like gabby Magawa. Like I had Gabby Magawa possibly winning the last part, the for time, but now we move into a strict pull-up where if you think about the difference

between her rope climbs and legless rope climbs, right? Like I think there's some athletes that go the other way. Like who does this help? Sure, those two, maybe the shorter athletes in the high box and the strict pull-up, but then the athletes that don't have good upper body pulling strength and stamina, where the chest-to-bar isn't really a part of that. But now it's strict. It massively affects those athletes that have poor upper body stamina.

Hey, is it strict chest-to-bar or just strict pull-up? Yeah, maybe they should have kept it as chest-to-bar too. Rebecca Fusile, another one who's probably ecstatic about the box Oh yeah Hey I like it Danny Spiegel maybe Yeah She's good at butterfly pull-ups

Right How is she at strip I cannot wait to see how they do At strip pull-ups I'm super excited Mr. Spinn Mr. Spinn Have you heard Anything from the

Have you heard anything from the Athletes and what they think about these Changes are they happy and are we Correct by blaming The PFAA? All I've ever been able to talk to right now is Kai E.K. He's very happy about it,

but he likes deadlifts and burpees. I'm sure the PFAA had a lot to do with it. The fact that they made a change this early just screams PFAA. And what do you mean by that? Just because you think they err on the side of caution, they're too cautious? 100%.

And to let the athletes prepare and have more preparation for it versus doing a last-minute change. Spin, you've heard us mention a couple people, Andzyc uh fusile um colton mertens anyone else you want to add to the list that you think that um the box jumps or pull-ups might be more advantageous now the strict pull-ups in the lower box those are all the obvious ones i don't know unless you're super short i don't think it's really going to be that big of a difference. Just the step down and the short height of Colton and Jessica, I think, is

definitely a bigger advantage. But I think if you're good at 30-inch box jumps, you're going to be just as good at 24. Brian Spinn from the Barbell Spinn is on the ground at Wadapalooza. You're looking at the stage where the snatch event happened that is for the segregated athletes,

the segregated athletes at the Tierra Wadapalooza event where they take athletes that are south. Is it south of San Diego or is it south of Panama? Is it South American people? It's Mexico. It's Latin and South American. Central and South. Okay, good. So they've segregated.

How nice of them, keeping up with the times. Did you see anything on there? Anything that the rain's affected? No, it's covered. So everything is under a cover. So the platform's completely dry from what I can see right now.

And we're 14 minutes away from the Elite Division taking the stage? under a cover. So the platform is completely dry from what I can see right now. And, um, and we're 14 minutes away from the elite division taking the stage. All right. Uh, John young, welcome to the show,

John. Uh, some of the things that we were been talking about is it looks like Colton Mertens is officially today, a proven athlete. Uh, if you want bacteria, static water free with your CA peptides order, you can put in code word Sevan or Hiller at CA peptides.

And the box, John Young, has been lowered. We're not sure why, but we are assuming it's a PFAA call. And the pull-ups are no longer kipping. They are strict. And they're chin-ups are no longer kipping. They are strict. And they're chin-ups, right? I'm changing all my Heat 1 picks as we speak. Do you have any hot takes on that?

Do you like what the PFAA is doing? Looking out for the athlete's safety? Do I like it? Yeah. I know you haven't seen how wet the bars are i don't know yeah the bars are wet i get it i don't like it i don't dislike it it's just something that you're dealing with today that's kind of how i look at it um it does change who wins the event um how about the judging how about this judging who's going to judge a strict pull-up

we can't even agree between all of us what a strict pull-up is. It says you're a strict chin-over-the-bar pull-up, right? Yeah. Is chin-over-the-bar over the bar or is chin-over-the-bar over the bar? Oh, I see what you're saying. Can you go outside like that? I would say you have to put your chin on the top. Is a gymnastic kip a kip?

Because I gymnastic kip. It's strict. I know, but people think my gymnastic kip is a strict pull-up. That's true. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if they should have a standard for it. Oh, don't worry. I'm overthinking.

My bad. Okay, let's move on. No, if some people get away with a kip and some people aren't, that's really, really unfair. So there should be a set standard. I would imagine maybe your feet in front of the pole, in front of the side rig, your feet have to be in front of it at all times. 100% somebody will kip.

100%. It's really, I mean, if your feet are in front of your body, it's very hard to do that. Discover more value than ever at Loblaws. Like Fresh Promise. Produce is carefully selected and checked for freshness. And if it's not fresh, it's free. Yes, you heard that right. From the crispest lettuce to the juiciest apples, Loblaws is committed to fresh.

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or don't let it raise. And the kip is actually originating from the shoulder joint itself. So if you're hyper-focused on feet and hips, you can kip through and get a little, put a little English on it. Yeah, you absolutely can. You absolutely can like load your shoulders real quick. That's where it originates, right?

That's where the kip starts. And I thought, you know, I put my level one cap on. It's like everybody thinks hips and knees and kicking your toes. Like that's not where the kip originates. It originates from the shoulder joint. I think that's so hard to judge consistently from judge to judge.

So I say, Nick, you don't even touch it. You have to stay in front. If people are going to load their shoulders, everybody's going to do it. I think that's the best way to have a consistent score across the board. What are the odds that they don't have the feet in front of the bar deal? Just don't move your legs. I mean, that's – You know what they could do if they're going to do this is make a move.

I'll sit. Singles. Singles. Dead hang, go. Any movement to start, done. Because you can't – You're not going to regulate that between reps. My bar is too far away.

Hey, how many... Have they reduced the number of pull-ups? Yeah, by 15. 20 and 14. Which I still think is harder. I think 60 strict pull-ups is... Oh, way harder. Way harder than 75 chest-to-bar pull-ups.

I disagree. What? Way harder. Depends on who you are, man. Would you rather depends on who you are man would you rather have your heart rate explode or would you rather do some strict pull-ups but my point is like i i would fare way better in this version than i would with the 35 chest to bar because your heart rate's not as high it's much more just strict strength we both just disagree but it's not what the workouts people who agree with chase so it's 105 chest-to-bar pull-ups.

My point is the workout's trying to test your ability to recover, like your heart rate ability to recover. It's intervals, right? It's easier for chest-to-bar. It takes that away. Breath when you do pull-ups? When you do 35 of them. You do not breathe freely when you do pull-ups?

You're telling me your heart rate is the same rate at 20 strict pull-ups versus 35 chest-to-bar when you're done? I think 20 strict pull-ups is much more difficult on the body and everything than 35. And I'm saying when you compare it to the other movements, though, like the row or the box jump. What they're testing is not being achieved is what I'm saying. It's like you're constantly ramping up, including the chest and bar. This is a really good point that Bill's bringing up here, too. Like, I can do 20 strict pull-ups, but I'm done. I'm done.

I'm like at one. I know the workout turns into who's the best at strict pull-ups, not who recovers the best, like, lungs, heart, muscle endurance-wise. We might see some people get just straight stopped. And we're testing our – Oh, yeah. What? Pick Colton Mertens.

Everyone go change your picks in the Heat One app right now. Dude, Ricky Garrard has insane upper body strict pull-ins. He does. Did you see his legless pegboards at the games in 22? Yeah, but he could still hit him. He could still hit a wall and blow up and be done. Everybody can.

That's the thing, right? Like that's the big difference here. And John's totally right. Like this is hinging on the strict pull-ups are the workout. Now it is the whole event, not only how people navigate that, not only how they have the skills set and how it's going to

be judged it is all hinging on how those strict pull-ups are managed executed and judged it's the whole event now and i hate that and that's why chase is here uh the hard fact uh jamie latimer uh an actual competitor weighs in knows what she's talking about i agree with john crazy uh what about this uh this is a great point alissa uh pat is a good puller yeah his arms are too long though colton's gonna dominate him this kills people like mikowski and james spray oh kills himself though so that's cool yes true yeah if he did it to himself though so that's cool yes true yeah he did it to himself

well and like they'll be fine but i mean like your chances of like winning and like like your total placement it hurts them a lot especially when there's only five tests if you had if you could only make one change which is more pertinent to the not to the competition but to the safety it was it really necessary to lower the box like what are they really worried about here i mean when low yeah uh at the crossfit games in 2014 they legitimately had an event or is it 13 where they jumped out of the freaking pool with their hands soaking wet. That was 2013.

And did bar muscle-ups. And did bar muscle-ups. With their hands wet. They're drying off the bar in between each round, and they were re-taping the bars after each round. Not everybody did singles. You didn't have to. Fast forward 11 years. Everyone's lonely.

And they're scared of doing any move-ups. Hold on. One at a time. One at a time. Hiller, you go. One at a time. One at a time. Go ahead, Hiller.

Go. Fast forward 11 years, and everyone's afraid of everything. Everyone's lonely. And they're changing all the movements at every competition. And it's two competitions in a row that they're doing this now. And to answer your question, Stefan, probably the pull-ups are without a doubt a bigger change on the event and they did not have to change the box there. It's crazy. Hey, that, this is, he brings up a really good point. This,

this thing of selling the open so that you, with this alone propaganda is fucking insane, but, but yeah, this is boy, we really have come a long way. Where are these... The muscle-ups? Yeah, how come I don't see them? Let's fast-forward to like 37th place and then watch that. Wow.

Oh, Froning? Is that his actual placing? Yeah, look at this. This is fascinating, isn't it, Chase? This is fascinating. They're changing, Chase? This is fascinating. They're changing kipping pull-ups to strict pull-ups and lowering the box when in 2013. I'm not saying that things can't change. Imagine it's pouring down rain here.

They don't change this event because they're already wet. Right. It could be literally raining during the event. Damn. I mean, they tested this several times beforehand and how it would navigate i was actually part of the testing for this particular event at the crossfit games and we got less than they did right we didn't get people taping our bars we didn't get people wiping down our bars we just hopped out of the water hopefully the

chalk would work right but as you can see john they're doing singles like i said maybe i was just watching them in practice and because i remember a video of matt chan by the pool doing multiple look at watch this watch the big man chad mckay watch the watch the big man here we go here we go chad mckay one oh yeah singles singles hey were they told they had to do singles they had to do singles? They had to do singles, yes. Gosh, because they're afraid of connecting them, freaking people in 2013. So afraid. No, no, no.

It's the water, dude. I'm joking. Come on, man. You got to stay with me. Look at that. I love how Chase actually did it. That's cool. Good job, Chase.

Thank you. I saw Chase in his speed many a times testing work. Yeah, I tested a few swim events back in the day. Yeah, yeah. He came out in the banana hammock. Chase was. Huge hog. Huge hog.

Stop. Okay. We're three minutes away. Oh, is that right? From the Elite event Who you got in this, guys? He and Danny I got Braun

You're so dumb We'll see You're not as dumb as Roscato over Spiegel But you're still wrong We'll see How could you possibly think that Braun is going to beat Guy? out over Spiegel, but you're still wrong. We'll see. How could you possibly think that Braun is going to beat Guy? Because I think Braun

has snatched 335 before and Guy has not. But Guy has better technique. I think the hang helps Guy. The hang helps Guy, and I think the two chances help, and I think the overhead squats are his biggest weapon today. Who? Geese.

Yeah. Okay. We are two minutes away. The judges have come out and this event is about to begin. Remember, C-A-Peptide, C-A-P-E-P-T-I-D-E-S.com, code word Hiller or Savon to get, discount free bacteriostatic water.

Um, and then, and if you want to watch this, you have to go to loud and live on YouTube. You cannot look for water Palooza. You will not find it. And as a Robbie Meyer says, uh,

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