The Sevan Podcast - Women’s Rogue Invitational WINNER | CrossFit Games Update Show

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:54 Visit flyporter.com and actually enjoy economy. Bam, we're live. Welcome to the show. Hey, how many podcasts do you think you've done? I've done? Yeah. Maybe like four. Oh really? That's it? Just four? I mean like on this show or like the ones we do for Sentinel? No just in general, just in total in your podcasting career. How many times have you been live? Probably 10.
Starting point is 00:01:24 10. Damn, you got comfortable quick. Corey, what's up, dude? How come there's only one comment? What's going on? Something weird is going on with StreamYard today. Where the fuck is JR and Caleb and John? Got a couple now. If you're, if you're watching, can you guys hear us? So we can stop freaking out. Dude, Grant, you guys had tied Jenkins on the show and pool boy Shit was who else was on there was someone else that shit was fuck. I gotta get tied Jenkins on my show
Starting point is 00:01:51 Is he 18 yet? I don't like to have anyone on who's not 18. See 18 I don't Yeah, he should be now. Yeah, that was cool. He's cool. He's cool as shit Yeah, that was cool. He's cool. He's cool as shit Okay, this is gonna be quick dirty nasty. Oh he is a good friend. Well, yeah, he's cool as shit I met him at the games With his coach. What's your name? Jessica Griffith or something? Yeah, Jessica boy now, I think is her Married name. Yeah, that was cool. She He's great.
Starting point is 00:02:25 She likes to preach about how CrossFit is bad on her Instagram though. Oh, well, she, everyone's got a little set. She can be a little, she can be cool and still be semi-retarded. Oh, I saw something today that I wanted to ask you about, but maybe I'll ask you when we're not live. Dude, I did the funniest thing.
Starting point is 00:02:42 It's about a CrossFit personality. Oh, really? It's about an athlete who posted some liberal stuff, but... Dude, I wrecked shop on a couple of my friends today. Oh, man, I almost feel bad. Hey, what's up, JR? Yo. Hey, Caleb had pulled up competitors,
Starting point is 00:03:10 like a page where I could just see the competitors. Oh, okay, here it is. This is a nice page. All right, look at this. And we're just gonna do the women today. Just the honeys, just the sugar mamas. The gladiatoras. the Are you Puerto Rican, Jair? Just saying. You think he's too tall? No, that's a... That's a...
Starting point is 00:03:50 That could be... That's a very legit assumption. No, my grandmother is from Colombia. Oh, okay. So, in Puerto Ricans, they're basically just Mexicans that are on the more Asian spectrum. What are Puerto Ricans?
Starting point is 00:04:11 Bryson, you know what Puerto Ricans are? What made them? I think your description fits it pretty well. Like you know what you're talking about when you describe it. Like, you know, like the Labradoodle is like a doodle in the Labrador. Right. Or like a Mexican is like a native indigenous person to South America and Spaniards. So that the Labradoodles of the world.
Starting point is 00:04:38 I mean they're just a recent ethnicity that you know they're just a new ethnicity, newer like 300 years ago there was no such thing as a Mexican now we got them the poster child for Catholicism. They've climbed up high quickly. that you know they're just their new Puerto Ric is. I thought that's what Dominican was I Thought Dominican was more I Would say that's Dominican how about that I never even thought of that they got a whole ethnicity that's um Wow whole whole ethnicities is just white and black people mixed. Dominican. That's cool. Oh, we come from European ancestry. Oh, that's awesome that you're Puerto Rican.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Is this a girl or a boy? Definitely a dude. That's a shame. Alright. What the fuck, The US was Mexico. Fair enough. I mean, I ain't arguing that. Call it like you want. Okay, here are the athletes.
Starting point is 00:05:56 I don't know if they're in any particular order. Are they in any particular order on this? Do you see any pathways? They're probably by Rogue's rankings because Rogue has their own point system. Okay, that's fair. From left to right and then left to right, so Tia would be one, Ariel would be five,
Starting point is 00:06:15 Alex would be six, Emily would be 10. Does that look right to you, Jared? Yeah, I think so too, yeah. Okay, and then let me pull up the, I have no, you guys gotta bear with me today. I have Rogue Invit Yeah, okay, and then let me pull up the I've no you guys got to bear with me today I have rogue invitational the workouts schedule competitors I have a fun game for you guys in the beginning. You're gonna like this
Starting point is 00:06:35 John's gonna be really bombed you missed on this one leaderboard schedule I Don't see events as one of the tabs. You go to the schedule? Yeah. Okay, we'll play it off the schedule. Okay, the first game we're gonna play before we get started. We're basically we're gonna go through all the events. We're gonna do top three for all of them. It's gonna be pretty easy, painless, quick, down and dirty.
Starting point is 00:07:03 But before we do that, Jarrah's gonna hate this game. I just realized Jarrah's gonna be pretty easy painless quick down and dirty But before we do that Jared's gonna hate this game. I just realized Jared's gonna Well, I was just gonna say if you said John was gonna love it I'm probably a little bit you are gonna hate it because it's gonna make you too vulnerable You're not you're not a man of who likes to show a lot of vulnerability on the podcast Oh By the way for BSI I was looking at are you coming to BSI JR you think? 11th and 12th? Yeah, I'm planning on it.
Starting point is 00:07:28 Okay, I'm getting a fat, crazy, our, our BNB, VRBO Airbnb, Airbnb, whatever the thing is, I'm getting a crazy one for us in Scottsdale right by the house, just nuts pool, pickleball court. Nice. And when I say I'm getting Greg's getting it. OK. Um, uh, Sergino, Colombia. Nice to see you, buddy.
Starting point is 00:07:57 Nice to see you, too. OK. Except my premise that there's levels to this shit. OK, and that there's levels to this shit. Okay? And that there's tiers. Are you guys comfortable with three or four tiers if we were going to break these athletes up into tiers? Four. Four tiers.
Starting point is 00:08:17 And, Bryson, are you okay with four tiers? I like that, yeah. And do you say, would you also say, would the men have four tiers or would they have four tiers? I like that yeah. And do you say would you also say would the men have four tiers or would they have three tiers? I think the men would sell four. Okay so so because I was what I was you guys probably figured out what I was leading on is is that do the women need four tiers because of Tia? No because I think in a lot of these events, I think in rogues events in general, I think someone like Laura can be the clear favorite even over Tia
Starting point is 00:08:52 on specific workouts. Okay, okay.'s do let's do the very top tier We'll just throw tea in there right? Yeah, it is Laura so keep you don't think tea isn't a tear all by herself I Think that she could be but I think if there's if we're going off four tiers, I think her and Laura are together Does that make sense like if you wanted to really break it down you could say that there's You know as many tiers as there are people because they're obviously someone's better than the next person down But if you want to say four tiers, I think tia And laura go in the same category John you think if Laura was at the games at Tia still would have won them
Starting point is 00:09:54 Call me John now. Oh, sorry, mr. Howell No, I don't think I mean I think Tia was gonna win regardless So I guess when you when you put it like that just in general Tia probably is in a tier by herself, but I understand what Bryson's saying. That in this exercise, if we put Tia in a tier by herself, then that means everyone else has to be in three. And I think that makes it a little bit more difficult. Okay. So, okay. So who's in the top tier? So you're saying, are you saying the women need five tiers? No, I just think there are more women in tier three and four than there are in one and two.
Starting point is 00:10:32 This is a better way to explain it. If there's if here by herself, then Laura has to be in a tier with a bunch of other people who Laura is separate from. She's, she belongs in a top tier when there's only four groups. What do you think about this statement? Tia and Laura are the only ones who have a chance to win Rogue. Well, I think they're saying they're the only ones who have ever won Rogue.
Starting point is 00:10:59 I think that was what that statement was saying. Tia and Laura are the only ones to win rogue. Yeah, uh julian clear that up Who's right me or jr. They're saying that only tia and laura have ever won I'm saying that you're saying that tia and laura are the only ones who have a chance to win rogue I would put the first three names in the first tier Okay, uh tia laura Uh jr was right.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Well, fuck you then. I was gonna say I really want Gabby to be in that top tier, but I don't know, but I could see an argument against it just being Tia and Laura. But if JR is going with Gabby, then I'm on board. Okay, and then who's in the next tier? Ariel Alex. I think it goes from Danielle to maybe Haley Adams. You think Brooke Wells is in that?
Starting point is 00:12:08 I think so. You think Amanda Barnhart's in that? I think so. I mean, we know she's coming off of an injury, but... You think Amanda Barnhart, Emma, and Emma Quaid are in the same tier as Haley Adams? Are we talking about in relationship to this competition or just in general if we're thinking that, if we're taking these 20 names and saying, rank them as far as how good they are at the sport of CrossFit in four tiers.
Starting point is 00:12:34 So we're doing it that way. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Because that is different because the programming here and the feel of the competition will usually lend to athletes of specific areas of strength or just imagine that you don't even know you could just say it could be this for event you just don't know the workouts yeah that's just you know what i mean so i guess that would be yeah uh tan in general yeah okay uh so uh you agree with dan, Ariel, Gazan, Brook Wells? So I would slide Hailey up and slide Emma down.
Starting point is 00:13:09 So Hailey, are you okay with that Bryson? Yeah, like slide Emma out of the group or just slide her? Out of tier two, yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair, but I think with, what about, especially if we're just going off of just CrossFit though, I think that's better for Emma, like versus Rogue. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:34 What about Emily Rolfe and Amanda Barnhart, tier two? Yeah. JR? Yeah, That's fine. A lot of people will be like Amanda missed out on the games, but I mean, just like Yana missed out on the games. She's been a staple for so long. I still think she's really, really good. Okay. And Rolf, I asked the third fittest woman on earth right now. So, okay. What about Maddie Stewart? Would you put her in that second tier? I'd probably put her in the third tier. I think so. I think I think another person I think you could argue Especially based on the based on the trajectory in the last couple years I know this year was a weird year, but Emma tall is also really really really good. You want to put her in tier two? I
Starting point is 00:14:30 Kind of do I think moving Emma tall up is fair okay and what about Taylor Williamson you think it's here too no I think three just because it's what about what about Danny Spiegel I Think she's three okay three probably But she has so many followers a page cementa Three or two I was I mean I could see people definitely arguing her into two, but I think three a man on Anganese Three A man on Anganese? Three. Yeah, I would say three or four. And Sidney Wells? I think Sidney Wells could potentially be the top of four. Because now when you're like to me, when you're looking at these names,
Starting point is 00:15:33 you're looking at history, you're looking at what have you done for me lately, but you're also looking at how long have you been around and how like, yeah, how much of a staple you've been like, have you been in and out? Have you made the games the last five or six years every single year? Like that kind of thing. Taylor Williamson. I think three or four.
Starting point is 00:15:57 I think so too. I think, I think, I think tiers, tiers two and three have a lot of ones that could go either way. And I think tier one, a lot like tier 4, are very small and a little bit more clear. So you're okay with her in 3? Yeah. Taylor Howe?
Starting point is 00:16:16 4. Yeah, I would say she's 4. I would say Dana Peranz for. OK, Tier one, Tia Laura, Gabriella Megawa, Tier two, Daniel Brandon, Ariel Loewen, Alex Gazan, Brookwell's, Haley Adams, Amanda Barnhart, Rolf Emmental. Who's the closest to Tier one out of Tier two? Danielle, Ariel Gazan, Brookwell's, Haley Adams, Amanda Barnhart, Rolf Emmental. No, it's it's hard not to say and maybe yeah
Starting point is 00:16:48 I was that's exactly what I was gonna say It's it's hard not to look at what happened this year at the games and look and see where people finish But it's just such a weird thing that I would still say probably Alex Okay, and then a tier three Emma McQuade Maddie Sturt Danny Spiegel Paige, Samenza, Manon Angonais, Taylor Williamson, and then Tier 4, Sydney Wells, Taylor Howe, and then Paran. Do you think that the of all the athletes who are the biggest unknown would you say is Taylor Williamson? The biggest you could say dark horse unknown? Yeah, yeah definitely and I mean I think she said her so I watched one of the videos that they put out on like her
Starting point is 00:17:27 Her journey to rogue and I mean she even says like a lot of times she works out It has like a long one long session and then sometimes like on her lunch break She does something really quick and like that's how much she trains So she's still training a lot more than the average person but not anything like What most of these athletes train like day in and day out. Jr. Mr. Howell. I got a seriously.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I, yeah, it's good. Isn't it? I just really like, I think she's, I think she's calling me out on the fact that. I do believe Tia is in a tier all by herself, but for the sake of the exercise, I really don't think Laura belongs in tier two with a lot of the other people. That's where I'm going. That's the point.
Starting point is 00:18:18 You could keep dividing it. That's what I'm trying to say. You could keep dividing it as much as you want and have 20 tiers and put one person in each tier But a lot of people would probably say that tia is in a tier laura's in a tier and then there's everybody else I mean a lot of people would right exactly. So Obviously my apologies. Thank you. Thank you for calling me out of my lack of candor So you're saying maybe six tiers. Uh tessa, uh jr seriously seriously jr of candor. So you're saying maybe six tears. Tessa, JR seriously, seriously JR. Tia was only a few points behind Laura last year and she was just months postpartum. Now Tia has
Starting point is 00:18:52 trained and is extremely fit and was extremely fit at the games. Do you think Laura is fitter this year? That's a good question. Do you think Laura is fitter this year? Yeah, for sure. But I think almost everybody else is also. I don't think the gap has closed, if that's the answer, if that's the question. Like I think Tia has also gotten better. I don't think Tia is declining. I think what she was saying is that Laura
Starting point is 00:19:18 hasn't gotten better significantly and Tia has gotten significantly better. But I misunderstood the previous comment Also, Sarah Cooper isn't this Taylor's first Indie comp. I believe that's correct No first ever maybe I'm not sure yeah, I think I heard that also first notable one at least All right, let's pull up the workouts Sorry John your loss Can I do them here through here
Starting point is 00:19:51 Yep, hey Ken Walters Bryson one per tier would be called rankings. Yeah, that's my fucking point, dude That's why we're not doing 20 tiers because we're not just ranking them Individual event one Quick sand we uh, quick sand. Uh, we've got some new information on quick sand, right? Yeah. What is the new information? So the information is every round is going to have a different kind of sandbag carry. So they've got 10 different bags. From what I understand, some of them are like marked
Starting point is 00:20:25 as in they know what the weights are and some of them are not. And they're almost like an unknown load. But they know that the weights go from very light to very heavy. So like 40 pounds, 50 pounds, 60 pounds, and then there may be a couple that are 70 and then 90, 100, 120, and then one that's 150.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Something like that. But they're all like different. There's some Jerry bags mixed in, there's some like feed bags with handles on them. There's one of the drag bags that they used last year where they drugged the bag across the finish line at the end of that long run workout. I don't know if you remember that or not, Sevan.
Starting point is 00:21:01 And four laps are with a ruck and then they'll take off the ruck and they'll do the other six runs with no weight okay so it's like get all this stuff and move it over there and run after each time to get back to the bags one of those type events and do we know how far that did you say do we know how far the, did you say do we know how far the stand back carries are? I do not know how long it is, no. Okay, Patrick Clark Taylor Williamson competed as an individual down under championship last year as an individual. I wonder, I thought I heard it from her mouth that this was her first individual. Maybe I heard wrong.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Thank you Patrick. Thank you, Patrick. So, yeah, and the way I understand it is they can, they can choose the order in which they carry them, which I think is the coolest part of the workout, if that's the case. That is really cool. You might see some people carrying different bags on different rounds and maybe saying, oh, look, they're actually, they carried the heaviest bag first and they've kind of closed the gap because they waited to the end To carry the lightest ones or whatever, you know, I think it'll be cool and some people may choose to carry the heavier ones first I'm also I'm not really I think it's kind of weird to have them ruck for four rounds and then take it off
Starting point is 00:22:20 But also if they can carry the bags in any order That means that maybe there could be some strategy like, Oh, I'm going to carry this one while I also have my ruck and I can throw it over my shoulder and kind of let my ruck take some of the weight or whatever. Just little stuff like that is the only reason I could think of. Yeah, it seems weird to just not have them ruck or just run All right, JR event one top three Women only right I'm gonna say Yeah, Gabby
Starting point is 00:23:02 Emily but I really really like Brooke on this and yeah, it's maybe a little bit of bias, but I think she's definitely top five on this. Say it one more time. Tia. Tia, Gabby, Emily. Okay. Bryson. I'm going to say Tia, Gabby and
Starting point is 00:23:33 Haley Adams. Okay and I'm gonna say Tia, Haley, Sydney. Sydney Wells from tier 4. Tier four choice. Is Sydney better runner than a Brooke? Not in this, not in this setting. I don't think. Fine. Be that way. I think the carry will, I think, I think about the setting.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Uh, just the fact that she has a lot of history doing workouts with loaded running. And I don't think Sydney has any individual event to echo bike ring muscle ups, eight squat snatch at one 66 shuttle sprints. Go ahead, Bryson. Go ahead, Bryson. I think Laura's probably hard to beat on this. Laura, Tia, and... I want to say Alex because of the muscle-ups, but she snatched 165 as her max at semifinals but I'm gonna say Alex I trust that she's been working on that Laura Tia Alex okay mr. how unless you like me to go first I don't think your pics are gonna affect mine, but go ahead. Okay
Starting point is 00:25:09 I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Tia Taylor And Taylor. And Ariel. All right, and I think one I think muscle ups on the Zeus Ray are going to be trouble for a lot of people, especially if they don't have a lot of experience with straps so long. Yep. I also know that this workout is an eight minute cap and there is a tie break. I think because they're anticipating the snatches giving people some trouble and or the long straps giving some people trouble, I would expect more so maybe the females.
Starting point is 00:25:59 So there's a tie break and it is after the ring muscle ups. And we can talk about that and whether or not we like it. But will that make some people take chances on the bike and on the muscle ups if they don't think they can finish it? I still think eight minutes is kind of generous. I'm curious what Bryson thinks about that. But that is also kind of in the back
Starting point is 00:26:24 of some of the athletes' minds. I would still say Tia, Laura. And I actually like Danielle on this because under fatigue, I know that she has really, really good shoulder position. And I trust her shoulders after all the ring muscle-ups more than a lot of people's. Danielle, making her first appearance, event number two. All right. This has an eight minute cap.
Starting point is 00:26:49 Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think that fast is going to be four to five minutes. Yeah, especially for the males, but I don't know how much slower the females go. Yeah, and I don't know how long the shuttle sprints are either. And maybe that's why because the shuttle sprints are just taking a lot longer than we think. And so they're like, hey, if me and you are on our third down and back and you're halfway down the field and I'm a quarter of the way, how are we going to score that?
Starting point is 00:27:18 So they're just going to score it based on when you finish the rings. And a lot of people would just argue, well, hey, if you're at that point, maybe you're not relevant anyway, it should matter. But I mean, they still have to distribute the point somehow. Jesus, rogue doesn't do water. It's always nice to get a little comment from Jesus. Individual event three, wall walks complex. Do we know what that is yet? Yes.
Starting point is 00:27:45 Yeah, that's a wall walk plus two wall facing straight handstand push-ups and then back down So there'll be a tape line on the floor hands start behind the tape You walk back hands on the tape do to Come back down hands back in front of the tape. That's one. So they'll do eight of those So they do 16 handstand push pushups and then 12 and then eight. So there's a total of 20 wall walks, 40 handstand pushups. And the handstand pushups not deficit and you can kip, you can do whatever? I think they have to be strict but no I think they're just to a flat pad.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Okay. They're wall facing so there's not like a strict designation, but that's just, you can't keep a wall facing. Okay, that was my question. Okay. Go ahead, JR. I will go Tia Alex Brooke. They gotta be a strong squatter, obviously, but you also have to have really good shoulder stamina and just the people who I know are either gonna be really, really good as far as time duration on their hands or just people who are gonna be able to crank strict handstand pushups.
Starting point is 00:29:22 I think the way that the workout is written and usually with these kind of workouts with any straight gymnastics, the gymnastics tends to matter for the females even more so than the males. And Gabby's not notorious for having great handstand pushups right? I don't know her for that but I'm sure they're really good. Bryson. I'm going to say Tia, Gabby, Alex. Okay, and I'm going to say... Alex.
Starting point is 00:30:08 Tia Brooke Cruisin' Did they announce any more events? Well those three we didn't have details on, so we have more details on those now. The rest of them we kind of know details other than six and nine. I don't think they released anything else about those two. And what is the plan for when to release those? I don't remember last year. I think maybe they released it on Friday, what the Saturday night like under the light strength event was. I think a lot of people assume it's going to be some kind
Starting point is 00:30:43 of a strength event. Uh, Danielle doesn't finish top 10 in that workout. True. I don't know. I'm sure he's been squatting a lot. I mean, I'm sure I don't, I don't anticipate that back squat, like giving her trouble. I think in the past when it did, it was because she wasn't able to lift leading up to it, but who knows. How about a Taylor's a handstand pushups?
Starting point is 00:31:02 Uh, I think the qualifier, which I she had to beat a lot of people to get there That was her lowest score was the wall face. They had wall facing in the online qualifier and that was her her worst workout Barry mccaulkin or Danielle squats are still the same Taylor's long she is long Event for 1000 meter, 30 thrusters. 30 log muscle ups, 30 thrusters, 1,000 meter row. Man, those log thrusters, or log muscle ups, holy cow. I guess 20 for the women.
Starting point is 00:31:42 That's good, yeah, that's appropriate. Wow. God, this one's going to be crazy. Hmm. Who shined the last time we saw these? So they've done them in the last two years. This will be the third year in a row. But Gabby was really good at them. Ariel was really good at them. Laura was good at them.
Starting point is 00:32:17 I do think there's going to be a handful or a couple handfuls of women that are really, good at them and then I think there's gonna be a lot of people that struggle Like like didn't so wasn't cursed at or didn't someone get stuck at one or two or something there I mean get one several. Yeah, Anika Olivia like especially if you've never done it before and I'm pretty sure that they'll have one of the warm-up area But even so like if you haven't spent time on it, it's something that's pretty hard to adapt to. If you've got small hands, if you're someone that utilizes a really, really big kip on bar muscle ups and you're not very good at strict pulling, I think you're already at kind of a disadvantage.
Starting point is 00:33:01 There he is ladies and gentlemen, John Young, Event 4. Thanks for joining us buddy. No problem man. Always good to see you. You're a busy man. Were you just training for grid? Um, no. Individual Event 4, 1000 meter row, 30 thrusters, 95 pounds, 20 log muscle ups. We're just doing the women John. Okay.
Starting point is 00:33:22 30 thrusters. Oh I gotta make another the women John. Okay 30 thrusters. Oh, I got to make another column for John John you can go first. All right event for I got Laura Laura You're gonna tell you give them two more To our top three. Yes, sir. Okay Tia and Oh, top three? Yes, sir. Okay, Tia. And then my number four is going to be Alex Gazan. Oh, Gazan.
Starting point is 00:33:50 I didn't think about Alex on this one. That's a good one. Do you want to give me my top three for the other three? Sure. Yeah, let's do it. Go back to event one. Go ahead. I'll get them real quick. All right. T do it. Go back to event one. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:34:06 I'll get them real quick. All right. Tia, Gabby, and Brooke Wells. Tia, Gabby. Oh, different than everyone else's here. Okay. Event two. Event two.
Starting point is 00:34:16 I have Tia, Laura Horvath, and then Alex Gazan. Tia, Laura. Oh, no one picked that either. Okay. Event three. And then event three, I got Alex, Kazan, Tia, and Ariel Lowen. Wow. Okay. That's close.
Starting point is 00:34:36 That's closest to mine. That makes me feel terrible. It should. I picked Alex and Tia. I picked Alex and Tia one and two, and I picked Brooke for three, not Ariel. All right, Brooke's not a bad pick. Okay, John for event four, thousand meter row, 30 thrusters, 95 pounds, 20 log muscle up, 30 thrusters, 95 pounds, thousand meter row. John picked Laura, Tia and Gazan. Hey, do we know the time cap on this one, JR? I don't know any other time caps other than for event two.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Okay. Do we know how long, what time frame do you think this is gonna be in? This is a long workout, right? This workout, let's see, four, four. I'm just being conservative. So eight minutes for the row, 12. I'd say a 15 minute time cap.
Starting point is 00:35:29 I think it's more. I think it's probably like, I think in general, most of the caps will be a little bit more conservative than they've been in the past. I'd say it's probably like 17, 18. And John, sorry, S on um did you guys talk about the tie break for event two on spin show we did not so there's an eight minute cap on event two and I'm get I mean I've seen some like Instagram stories of the field of play looks very
Starting point is 00:36:01 long so I think if people get capped during the shuttles, whether or not it's because of the long straps on Zeus, or just because the squats snatch ended up being a lot harder than some people think they're gonna be, there's a tie break, and it's when you finish throwing muscle ups. Oh, okay. So, okay.
Starting point is 00:36:19 They're trying to bait people then? Or just they're like, hey, you don't wanna to get in a bottleneck just on the shuttles at the end and end up being like, we're not going to have four people tied that are on the third shuttle sprint. We're just going to tie break, finish them. Gotcha. Yeah. No, no, I think that's smart. Why would they need a tie break? There's not going to be a tie.
Starting point is 00:36:39 If people get capped. If the shuttle run is really long. If it's like 100 feet down down, a hundred feet back. Yeah. I mean, there, there'll be people that are on like, cause it's a down and back. So you think let's say it's a hundred feet. So 200 feet is still going to be what? I forgot about this.
Starting point is 00:36:55 It's like 20 seconds. So, so the time 18 minute cap for event four. I don't know if he knows or if that's. So the tie break is because um people they expect people not to to get time capped that's what the tie breaks for you would need a tie you wouldn't okay okay I got it I didn't make that connection okay and if it's if it's the same cap I think it's a lot more likely that the 160 after the 16 muscle ups slows more females down than the males I think I want to give a
Starting point is 00:37:25 little explanation for Alex on event two that's okay I'll be quick about it please because I know everybody's like oh it's snatch she's not just trash of snatch and she is I picked her yes nobody picked her for event two he did not oh he picked her three he picked okay I mean that's where I have her I'm just saying I'm just saying the order. No one picked your exact order. He picked Tia, you picked Tia, Laura. I just think she's gonna be one of the only ones that goes unbroken on the ring muscle ups. If not unbroken, then very close to unbroken and she will have a three snatch lead on
Starting point is 00:38:01 almost everybody, maybe not Tia. Laura will just out snatch her. She'll be that much faster. But everybody else, she can she doesn't have to rush the snatches. Even if you know what I mean? And she'll have that gap of time 30 seconds gap time, you can have time to take your time. You can take your time. And the only thing that I'm worried about that is because she has the ability to go unbroken on those. That's just
Starting point is 00:38:24 going to jack her up for the squat snatches. worry about that is because she has the ability to go unbroken on those. That's just going to jack her up for the squat snatches. Yeah, but then take take 15 seconds. Right. But when you're on the floor at the rogue imitational and everything you've been working on for the last year is not missing squat snatches that are under a maximal load. And you got to do it. You know, the pressure's on bro. Yeah, no, no, I gotcha. You're not gonna stand for 20 seconds,
Starting point is 00:38:50 even if you have 20 seconds to stand around. No, I gotcha, you should though, if you're smart. And I picked her. I think that I trust that she's been working on it and I want her to do really well, but I'm just saying that's what worries me is that she can do those ring muscle ups unbroken. And when you get a chest pump and you're already prone to missing
Starting point is 00:39:06 snatches because you're overhead, you know, it's just a recipe for disaster. John, what do you think the if you had to set the line for men to do the 16 unbroken and for women to over 16 are broken and what and what for women? Five, I don't think it's gonna be more than three. I would set the line at five. I would not be shocked if it's under five. I tend to agree, I think Tia and Alex. Find the average.
Starting point is 00:39:32 And then after that, I don't know, maybe Haley. Like how many will be able, will it be like more than three or less than three? Yeah. With the women is so hard because I don't think you have to, you know what I mean? So like you don't have to execute your game plan. I don't think it's gonna be like,
Starting point is 00:39:49 I have to do these unbroken. For the men, if you don't do it unbroken, you're behind. I think every side of the line is unbroken. Here's the deal though. Choosing to break 10, six or 12, four is so much less time, so much less energy, and so much less expensive than failing one squat snatch. 100%. So because of that, I am curious how line at five. For the men, I would set the line at 15.
Starting point is 00:40:25 And I just think some will break just because of what you said. They're like, I'm gonna beat everybody that doesn't execute to 100%. Right, and I mean, that's not a bad call. That's not, if you know you're not gonna be great at the event, that's not a bad idea, you know what I'm saying? But I just think most of them do. You know what I'm saying? But I just think most of them do.
Starting point is 00:40:48 Event four, John made his picks. The workout is, what is the workout? It's the row. Thousand meter row, 30 thrusters with 135 and 95, 20 log muscle ups for the women, 30 thrusters at 95 and then a thousand meter row. And John picked Laura Tia, Gazan. I'm going to pick Taylor Tia and Alex. Bryson. Taylor Williamson?
Starting point is 00:41:08 Yeah. He's been picking Taylor Williamson for everything. Okay. I gotcha. Hey, not true. I think, I think that, um, uh, individually, she can do those individually, if you just look at those, she can do the row faster than everyone else who's there.
Starting point is 00:41:26 No, no, I do. I think she can. She can do the thrusters faster than everyone who's there. God, no. And, and, and, and so, so that only questions her log muscle ups, but it only questions everything, but it only questions her ability for the time domain. So she's the best rower there and she's the best at thrusters there at that rep with that weight. And so now the only thing in question is just can she last eight, what's her, what's her capacity to hold that, that power output, but she would, I would say athlete in the group. So I would say questions for ability to row a thousand meters. This event questions her
Starting point is 00:42:01 ability to do 30 thrusters faster than everybody else. This event questions. 60 thrusters. Right. But in order. Let's just say in order. And then it questions her ability to do 20 log muscle ups, 30 thrusters, and then another thousand meter row. And it questions the time domain and it questions competing as an individual and it questions just having less core capacity than all these other girls potentially.
Starting point is 00:42:23 I think the time domain and the log muscle-ups are the only question. I think the other two are. If the log muscle-ups are a question, you should not be thinking about that person. Well, because and I also think experience on the log muscle-up, I mean, anybody can get a log, but like actually doing the log muscle-ups is huge because so many people, like it didn't come natural to them. Like people were failing that you wouldn't expect to fail. What did Tia get on the log muscle ups last year?
Starting point is 00:42:55 I'm not surprised that you guys under estimate it by the way, I'm not surprised. I wanna say she got like fifth. I was gonna guess fifth. Yeah, she got fifth, fifth. Yep. And that was mixed with back squats. You know what I mean? Something that she's going to crush, right? I get Laura might be a little bit better. Even Alex is probably a
Starting point is 00:43:18 little bit better at the back at back squats. But she was fifth place mixed with something she's very good at. And she's better than everybody. I like Tia. But this and this is a more of a fitness test, I think than that workout that workout, you know, can you lift heavy? Can you do the log? Right? That's it. This is more of a fitness test 100%. But that's why I put Laura above her. Because Laura was better at the log muscle ups. Laura is a better rower by a decent amount. Yes, Tia can probably do 60 thrusters, but
Starting point is 00:43:47 they're heavy thrusters that bodes well for Laura to the whole workout bodes well for Laura. Yeah, they're they're they're moderate thrusters, even for 60. Right. For them. I got you with the heavier the better I think for Laura because Tia can't just out fitness or right and just be that much faster. for Laura because Tia can't just out-fitness her, right? And just be that much faster. I'll go Laura, Tia, then Alex.
Starting point is 00:44:14 Laura, Tia and Taylor, is that what you said? Alex. Oh, Alex. Are y'all picking a last place too? Didn't we say we were doing that? No, we haven't been, John, you keep your opinions to yourself. JR, here's the thing.
Starting point is 00:44:29 Here's the thing, one goal- John, before you got on here, dude, I had to put people into tiers. Are you kidding me? And it was like, you could hear a pin drop. Tessa was calling me names. Like, it was crazy in here. John, we'll revisit it.
Starting point is 00:44:41 We did an exercise in the beginning where we put all the athletes, we spread them out over four tiers, not based on rogue workouts, but just based on their crossfit ability. We'll revisit that. That's interesting. I think, I don't think there's four tiers to be had. I think we will, we determined there's six, but we only, we only started on four. Don't start how many numbers of tiers.
Starting point is 00:45:02 The thing is there's four tiers. So we're putting them into four tiers. That's the thing that we're doing. Okay. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. Ken Walters told us if there's 20 tiers, it's no longer tiers. It's called a ranking. So that was kind of cool. Okay. Event for Mr. Howell. Laura Alex Ariel. Oh, you, you really don't believe in TIA. Uh, Laura Alex Ariel.
Starting point is 00:45:28 Oh, you, you really don't believe in Tia? Yeah. So I, I do. I just know I can pick her for every single event. And at this point I'm just trying to give some, I almost just didn't want to pick her just to put Gabby in there, but I think it is still fitness workout. Do y'all want to start doing that? If it's an event, you know know Tia is going to be good at just to not pick her and pick three people?
Starting point is 00:45:47 No. I don't mind doing that. No, I think that's the reason you pick three instead of one. Okay. Okay. And honestly, because I know she's just not the best of everyone at log. So I was like, if I'm going to do it, I'm just going to do it here.
Starting point is 00:46:01 Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to do it here. Event five, three rope climbs, 21 single arm, seer bell, double press, three rope climbs, 21 single arm seer, double press, 70 pounds, three rope climbs. Uh, go ahead, JR. Um, I'm going go I'm gonna go Laura Gabby Emmental Wow okay Wow. Okay. There is a girl who's going to be last place every event. It's just one girl.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Yeah. Her name is Emily Rolf. I don't know who it is, but there is just going to be one. It's always like that. It's just one girl. It's just one girl or one guy and they just take last place for every event. Is this everyone? This is, did you say, who did you say? Emma tall for Jr Jr said Emmett all no for last place. I think Emily Rolfe is
Starting point is 00:47:10 going to get last place in four events. She's the third fittest woman on earth to your luck. Yep. You're you'll see what happens. Bryson. Go ahead. Laura Emmett Laura, Emmetall, and Tia. Dang Bryson. That's the three that I'm gonna say as well. Say it again, give them to me John. Laura, Emmetall, and Tia. That was the three I had. Okay, the workout was some burpees with a dumbbell in your hand and some rope climbs,
Starting point is 00:47:48 right? Nine rope climbs? It's a devil, yeah, seer bell, if that makes any difference. Yeah, okay. So it's pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious who's gonna, who's gonna win this. This one, this is, a man on Anganaise's gonna win this this this one this is a man on Anganese is gonna win this. I actually think this
Starting point is 00:48:09 event is going to be really tight. It's gonna be move the dump who can move the seer belt the fastest but like it's only nine rope climbs. I don't think a ton of time is going to be made up on the rope climbs. I think a lot of people I think everybody's gonna be really close together on this. Man on Anganese, then Alex Gazan. I like Alex for this. I do too, but I picked Alex on a lot of different stuff,
Starting point is 00:48:40 so I didn't want to pick her on this one. It's tough, man. It's so hard to bet against Tia. I'm gonna put Tia in. Man on Gazan and Tia. Event six? No event six right? Did JR pick for that one? Oh did you? Oh yeah yeah yeah I went first yeah. So event six we know it's a five minute time cap we know there's four heats. We know it's probably heavy. That makes me think it's something like Atlas stones. That's an Atlas stone definition. That fits that definition. And it's very heavy. It's just for time. I think there's a lot of time in between the men and women too, which would make sense that they've gotta get
Starting point is 00:49:28 a lot of things off the floor and then different loads onto the floor. What is strongest that company? Like. I tried to look it up. You can't find anything about them. It's not like Composition Corner. That's what it is, right?
Starting point is 00:49:43 It's like a, it's a scoring company. Hey, do you think this is going to be Instagram doesn't have anything on it and like stuff that they might've used and you know, you think this is going to be an elimination workout? No, they don't have enough time for it. Well, it's the last event of the day. It's scheduled to be like an hour. Oh, okay. So this is Danny. So Danny's going to win this? Well, I mean, we don't know what it is, but I think I think I think it's going to be an odd object sprint heavy event, an odd object heavy event. That's fast.
Starting point is 00:50:20 What if they did this, John? Sorry for interrupting you. Go ahead. You're good. They haven't done a static hold of any kind for a strength event. And what if, what if, but what if they did this? I mean, regardless of what it is, what if they did eliminate, but they sent five people out at a time, and just the winner of okay, hold that for as long as you can. Okay, you're out, you're out, you're out. Oh, they're still holding. Okay, they won, you move to the side. And they just did that. And they only did three heats of that. And then they just kept going until there was a winner. Whereas those those like a last person holding type situation. So it was still elimination. But
Starting point is 00:50:58 because the thing was so heavy, that the hold was just very, very short in duration. Like. It probably wouldn't look great if they had to do it for multiple rounds because they would just get more and more fatigued. But I'm just trying to think of ways that they could still do, because five people on the floor, there's either gotta be a ton of stuff
Starting point is 00:51:16 or they've gotta just wanna only have five things out there. I think if they did that, you'd have to take the five fastest times or the four fastest times I guess it four heats of five, but then it would be five heats of five, right or Five heats one heat of four, but you'd have to have The fastest the longest four times you can't just take the one person out back because that person did more work than everybody else
Starting point is 00:51:39 Right, so and if it's easy to five I mean it would make sense that it's some kind of medley or some kind of like stone to pedestal stone to pedestal stone to pedestal and Or a finger fingers. That would be fun like any I mean like any strongman event, you know single fingers So it's basically like uh, you know You know, there's like there's like a telephone pole on the ground and you would basically just flip it So you would you would walk it up. It's kind of like that but you do it back and forth. They can't risk these. These athletes are maderks. Half these athletes can't do that
Starting point is 00:52:12 dude. I was thinking about this the other day. I want them to do it. I've only seen it at smaller strongman competitions but have you guys seen the lever deadlifts where they have a big, basically telephone pole connected to a lever and there's hooks all along the telephone pole and athletes basically straddle it
Starting point is 00:52:31 and have an attachment with a hook that's basically a barbell and they hook it at the end so it's really light and then they move down the next hook, deadlift it, it's a little bit heavier because you're getting closer and closer to the lever. I thought that would be a really cool, like heavy event to the lever. I thought that would be a really cool, like heavy event to do. And they haven't done deadlift, but they they'd have to have five of those things.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Someone in here said, this is a good comment, Angela Cole, no chance I think the TBA events will be an homage to Scotland. And that's what you guys are suggesting, right? Okay. I think it'll be something it'll be picking something up from the floor. That's that's would be the only Only other thing that I think would be really cool that they did was if they threw something if they did some I would Some kind of keg toss that they did one of those strongman sandbags and threw something up and over something For height and they just kept going until no one could do it But I don't know that the whole timing of the heats and everything makes me think
Starting point is 00:53:27 it's not gonna be like that. And the hard thing with like say it is Atlas stones or even what you're saying Bryson, like the four heats of five puts a damper into it because that's one could be in heat one. You know what I mean? It's not like we're like waiting for the best till the end These are all like can you do it things so everybody's just gonna be sporadic with their scores
Starting point is 00:53:50 It's not you know what I mean like that's not well That's what I was also thinking about this when they were talking about tug-of-war on shut up and scribble the other day that and You know what I think someone brought this up recently like having a wrestling match as an event and a crossfit competition But you would have to just give points to the winner and that's it. Because you could in the first round, wrestle the dude who's gonna win the whole thing,
Starting point is 00:54:15 but you might've gotten second if you met him in the final. Yeah, for sure. And same thing with tug of war. Like if you just do one-on-one tug of war, you can't. You might tug of war the guy who's gonna win the whole Thing in the first round so you never do rest of them. They would never do wrestling Yeah, they wouldn't but I'm just saying someone brought that up the other day. I forgot it was maybe on spins
Starting point is 00:54:36 I saw Colton commenting on it John you think they do John or JR. You think they do wrestling? No It's too much injury risk God that would be so awkward Also like I think people I feel like size. Listen though size comes into play with wrestling like it's not that's Not the most fairest thing, you know the The closest thing though to like individual, like one-on-one would be making something like a sled that had an attachment on both sides, three, two, one, go.
Starting point is 00:55:15 One of you pushes it and you both push it. And eventually someone has to concede because they can't do it. And you basically push the sled past the line. And then that the person that's on the other side of the sled is out. And you do something like that. Where you're still kind of imposing your will
Starting point is 00:55:34 on someone else, but it's like through an inanimate object. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It would be fun. I know. I think that would be fun. Or if one person stood on each side of the Conan's wheel and like you were on you were on one side I was on the other and we're supposed to push it in opposite directions and we just keep pushing until one of us gets turned
Starting point is 00:55:55 You know physical the physical 100 Have you seen that JR? Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. If they were to do that, that would be amazing. They also do this thing, like, I mean, they do this in football. You strap two ropes to each other, and then you break, and see who can pull the other one. I think that one would be fun.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Because that's a bit of an endurance thing. I mean, I think tug of war would be cool. It just, you have to give points to the winner and no one else You'd have to have like elimination, but like you can get beat five times You know what I mean? Like and there have to be like 20 20 20 different people right? Yeah, 20 different matches All right event six i'm gonna pick laura
Starting point is 00:56:44 All right, event six, I'm going to pick Laura. I'm going to pick Danny. I'm going to pick, hold on. I actually have rankings for event six. I just thought of, I just thought who is the best at barbell strength, odd object strength, combine the two. That's my person, right? I think Laura is the best of the two worlds. I think Danny Spiegel is number
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Starting point is 00:58:11 and if there's any chance at all that there's gonna be something static, you probably don't wanna pick against her. Dude, the Atlas stones, I think Taylor would win. Straight up. Who did you pick, John? I said Laura, Danny Spieiegel and then Alex Gazan and This is just any arbitrary strength thing that could come out. Yeah, this is completely shooting in the dark Bryson
Starting point is 00:58:34 I'll go Laura Danny Spiegel and Tia I'm gonna go Danny Tia I'm gonna go Danny T Who do you think you think you think that Laura stronger than man on Anganase? Yeah. Yeah Will freakin labia slap Anna man. Wow. God. Wow. I don't think you froze there John Okay, I'm gonna go with Danny Tia Taylor, okay, wow, okay event eight I'm running out of room on this paper Okay, uh, oh no, no, are we on? No, no. Sorry. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:59:46 We're on event seven. We're on event seven. Pegboard. Let me pull it up. Wow. That's fantastic, John. Your repertoire is getting huge. You've gotten so many reps.
Starting point is 00:59:54 You're unpredictable. Individual. Individual. Gondola. One pegboard. One pegboard. One pegboard. One pegboard.
Starting point is 01:00:02 One pegboard. One pegboard. One pegboard. One pegboard. One peg Individual, gondola, one pegboard, here, 48 cows for the girls, 60 GHD, one pegboard, 32 cows on the skier, 40 GHDs, one pegboard, 16 cows on the skier, 20 GHD, one pegboard. We saw the pegboard. It looks pretty short It looks like it's gonna be a non-factor except for
Starting point is 01:00:31 Just the McGurks And so the way in the way Jay was doing it, I don't know if you guys have talked about it That's not allowed. They said you had to face it So so the whole time yeah, okay Your hands can't cross. Can your hands cross? Yeah, your hands can cross. You just have to face it, which would be just crazy.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Well, was someone trying to hang under it and face away? No, no. Jay, like, freaking like George of the Jungle style. Oh. It was very, very neat. It was impressive if you could pull it out. He should have never done it. He should have never done it.
Starting point is 01:01:11 It just did it the day of 100%. Cause it's way faster than anything I've ever seen, like I've seen from anybody. But if you miss a hole, you're in trouble that way. He did miss a hole, he was fine. So like, and then he would swing, but like underneath it and then go in like this But like he'd have to miss it and then get it But then you swing like five different holes and get it in the other one
Starting point is 01:01:36 You can't see the holes if you make a mistake. Yeah And what's what like the question I have about this, because I think they only got briefed on one, two and three is do you have to do the whole traverse unbroken? I think you should have to. I thought that was assumed. I assumed it. I hope it is. Is it three peg boards or is it two across?
Starting point is 01:02:00 I don't know. It still looked like three when when Jay was doing it. But I mean that's being having to do that unbroken, I think at least is good enough to create some more separation for people that will stand there and think about it for the people that... Well yeah, one pegboard is up and down, has to be unbroken. So if it's too wide, that's the same length of one pegboard. Plus how do you dictate where they would go back up?
Starting point is 01:02:27 You're gonna jump up and then grab your pegs and go? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, there'd be no way to unless- Or if a peg fell out, a peg fell out, like how you gonna put that peg back in? Have we seen the setup for this event yet? That same, Bryson, I'll send it to you. That, or unless,
Starting point is 01:02:45 Svetlana can go to the rogue Instagram and watch that video of Jay. But it is kind of like, it is still, so it's perpendicular, it's parallel to your lane line. It is not perpendicular to, so like you're kind of working your way down. Okay. Yeah. It was at the rogue invitational Instagram?
Starting point is 01:03:04 I think so, yeah. that video of Jay doing it. I don't see it. Is it the most recent? Is it, is it a, no, I don't see it. How old is it? It's new. I think it's from today. I'll, I'll look back and see if I can find it in the thread. Or maybe it's on their story. Is it in locker room? I can find it in the thread. Maybe it's on their story. Is it in locker room? No, it's actually Jay's.
Starting point is 01:03:27 It's actually Jay's story. Okay. Jay's story or Jay's reel, one of the two. Here we go. Looks like three boards. Can you pull it up, Sevan? Yeah, I'm looking to see. I think it's on his story.
Starting point is 01:03:43 Give me one second. You're absolutely right, JR. He should have never showed anybody because if he did that- But they may have gone over that in the briefing. They may have just said, oh yeah, before any of you tried to do it, but- If they didn't though, it's almost an automatic win. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:58 If nobody else had it, you have an automatic win. It had been really cool live, like the reactions of the announcers and stuff, and the fans. We've been really cool to see. His story, his story is gone. Yeah. So I guess it's gone. If he took it down, do you think that…
Starting point is 01:04:23 Jay's ready for a for a ditty party confirmed that it was okay with the judge or something? John was saying he heard it is not allowed. Yeah, why would he have taken it down? I don't think he took it down. I think it just expired. It reached its life. Okay. For the women pegboard, uh, uh, skier, GHD, four rounds, three rounds, four rounds, uh, descending skier, descending, uh, GHD numbers, 60, 40, 20, 48, 32, 16.
Starting point is 01:05:00 Uh, Jr, you want to go John, you already got all your stuff, right? You already did this. All right. Sure. Who'd you got? Who do you got? Sorry. I was looking for a chase thing. I got, um, I have Haley Adams as number one. My number two is Tia and my number three is Alex Gazan.
Starting point is 01:05:19 And why a Haley? Uh, any ski GHD combo, she is extremely good. She's the fastest ghd year in the whole entire land of women. And she's fine on the ski. She's the only woman to beat Tia in the running ski ghd workout in the 2021 rogue invitational. And it was her and Tia and then everybody else there was a big gap between the two Those two people a tear if you will a tear of just Tia and Haley
Starting point is 01:05:53 And I think she'll be fine on the pegboard the pegboard I think most people will go at the same speed except for the people that just can't do it Maybe there's somebody who can do it way better than everybody else and we just don't know about it. I think is and will be extremely good at the pegboard. I don't think she'll wait and rest, but I think Tia and Haley are just kind of gonna just be the fastest ones in that workout in general, just fitness wise.
Starting point is 01:06:17 J.R. Lors climbing won't play a role here? No, no, I think it will. I think her ability to ski a faster pace than other people will help keep her toward the top of the pack more so I have Tia Laura Haley you have a Tia and I think Laura will be fine I just don't think I'm just not picking her to be top five okay who do you have right top three sorry Haley T Sorry. Haley Tia Alex. Haley Tia Alex. All right. I have Daniel Brandon in third. Let me see who my second is.
Starting point is 01:06:58 People in the comments are saying Jay did take it down and it wasn't a story. No, that's okay. Well that's from today that they got to play with the stuff. So I mean, it wouldn't have expired expired yet. That's the kind of sense. I mean, maybe they told them, maybe they told them, take it down. That's the kind of censorship they have in Europe. Ashes Europe. Thank God. That's over here. Aren't you glad the censorship's over here? Back when rogue was in Texas, they didn't take it down.
Starting point is 01:07:21 Yeah. Yeah. Europe. Uh, I got Laura, Ariel, Danielle. I like the Ariel pick. Thank you. You got to pick Danielle is going to be top three in something. Not that one. All right. The next one. John actually actually picked her third in the snatch because I
Starting point is 01:07:47 trust her overhead position after really anything more so than almost anyone else. Danielle. Yep. I think she'll do well in event two. I thought squat her. I think hurts her. If it was power, I would pick Danielle. I think she wins the one coming up though.
Starting point is 01:08:03 That's my pick. I, I, I agree as well. You know she wins the one coming up though. That's my pick. I Agree as well. You know go first. Yeah Okay, a vent three rounds heavy. Wow a heavy rope rogue is so heavy heavy rope Back to the seer dumbbell. Oh soon as you hear steer Bell, you know, it's heavy I wish this was just a regular rope that way you can't say that I wish this was just a regular rope that way you can't say that And believe it or not that heavy rope probably makes the difference in this event I
Starting point is 01:08:37 Know JR will tell us that it's the shoulder position Danielle will have on the dumbbell overhead walking No, I think that I think the rope I think the rope in round three will decide who wins this okay, and It's three rounds heavy rope double under 50 Single arm seer bell overhead walking lunge. What is that? What's oh 50 feet and then a hundred feet handstand walk three rounds Mr. Howell I'm gonna go Danielle Tia Laura. It's been a long weekend. It's event number eight. Let's not rule out Danielle's emotional because she's had a long flight over there. Not a lot of sleep.
Starting point is 01:09:27 A lot of appointments with the, uh, fashion rad rad regime. And, uh, she's going to be emotionally compromised. I think she's going to wear, I think she's going to win the event and then take off her rad shoes and show them to the camera and then flip off the camera. Uh, who do you have? Again, Jay, are you sure you want to the camera and then flip off the camera. Who do you have? You again, are you sure you want to pick her? Yeah, I'm sure.
Starting point is 01:09:50 Okay. Who did you have Danielle? Uh, Tia Laura. Yeah. Laura. And you would pick Haley Adams, but you think the dumbbell is going to fuck her up? The rope. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:03 No, I think. Oh yeah. Her double undersets. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, I know what you're saying but I think that I think that was from that maybe from like a little nagging injury that was going on or maybe well, she said that it was from an injury. That's what started it but then it just became a habit. Okay. And now that's how she doesn't. Oh, you mean she had that arm out like this. Yep. Oh
Starting point is 01:10:26 Yeah, that was weird Okay, Bryson I'm gonna go Tia Gabby and Ariel Mr. John. I'm going to be a mix of the two. I'm going to go Danielle Brandon, Tia Tumi, and Ariel Owen. Who's the second fastest at handstand walk? Haley? Or probably Brooke.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Brooke. Brooke. Yeah. She should do good on this one too. Yeah. But I don't know. I think this one like the devil press is gonna be pretty tight. Like I think they're, I talked about this the other night. It's cool. They put the handstand walk as the last movement because I think there will be some like races to the finish on the handstand walk, which would be cool. Which one was the rope climb one?
Starting point is 01:11:28 The one just with the burpees and rope climbs, just burpees. Yeah. The one with the 170 pound dumbbell that just, it's just burpees though. It's just 42 burpees. Just like this one is body weight lunge. Hey, no, uh, um, uh, JR's the only one to pick Gabby in event five. There when you, when you're doing doing your hundred burpees a day, do you count devil's press? Yeah. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Thank you. Thank you, Bryson. Thank you. Thank you, Bryson. I'm not siding with you on road. That's actually exactly what it is. Only you don't clap the dumbbells at the top. Like when you clap. Right.
Starting point is 01:12:04 Listen, if you don't pee on the toilet seat before me and then I go in the bathroom after you and I say thank you to you, maybe you didn't pee on the toilet seat because of me, but I can still say thank you. You ran JR over with the truck and I'm just saying thank you. Cement truck. Thank you. John, you want a piece? Bryson's here to defend me. I'm all right. I'm all peed out. Not a you want a piece? Bryson's here to defend me. I'm all right. I'm all peed out. Not a pee, a piece. I don't want that either.
Starting point is 01:12:33 How are Sydney Wells? How's her handstand walking? Not as good as Brooke, but I'm sure she's fine. She does that running thing with her legs, right? When she's upside down, you know that thing that is she the one that does that like exaggerated running? I think Trista does that. Oh, maybe it's his Trista. Okay. Yeah. I bet Sydney's not great at handstand walking. Really?
Starting point is 01:12:57 The year Sydney made the games was the pirouette year, correct? Okay. So yeah, we really didn't see her like doing a handstand walking for speed. We didn't see her doing any ring muscle ups either. Is let me ask you this before I make my decision. This single arm, this single overhead walking lunge with the 70 pounds, are the girls going to do that unbroken? Three rounds for 50 feet?
Starting point is 01:13:22 Yeah. Yeah, I think so. It's definitely a shoulder stamina test, a different kind than event two, but it's for sure a shoulder stamina test. There's some grip mixed in there too, like any kind of overhead static with like pressing into the floor on the handstand walk and then the weighted jump rope.
Starting point is 01:13:40 But I think in general, your people who are good at jump rope and also have the most shoulder stamina. That's who you pick. I don't, I'm picking the same as Bryson without even looking at his cheat sheet. Tia, Gabby, Ariel. Is that who you picked? Tia, Gabby, Ariel. Yeah. Yeah. That's who I got. Oh, we, oh, we got a bunch of us got Ariel. JR is the only one that doesn't have Ariel. You should thank me again.
Starting point is 01:14:09 All right. Thank you, boys. One final thing, by the way, make sure you go over to the Heat One app. Very important. Make your bets now. We've told you how to bet. I should have told you about that in the beginning. But before we go, since we're blessed with John Young's presence.
Starting point is 01:14:22 I fell asleep. Where are we? Oh, great. Thank you. in the beginning but before we go since we're blessed with John Young's presence I fell asleep where where are we oh great thank you John we have four tears let me pull the ladies up for you let's see it let's see it we have four tiers of athletes I think that there should be six tiers do you think there should be how many tiers John um I would say four. Okay. Uh, and it's not for this rogue event, but it's just for a generic event. Just picture like, imagine if it's rogue, but we didn't know the, um, workouts.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Okay. Okay. Uh, we have a Tia, Laura and Gabby in tier one. I think Tia could probably be a tier by herself. So if you wanted to put five, you could. Okay. I already disagree with the tier one. Okay. I think Tia could probably be a tier by herself. So if you wanted to put five, you could. I already disagree with the tier one. OK, so let me tell you, and Jerry, and Bryce,
Starting point is 01:15:10 and correct me, I don't want to misrepresent our group. We all agreed with you, but we decided that if you put Tia in her own tier, you would have to put Laura in her own tier also. I disagree with the handstand push-up workout. We're not talking about this competition. We're not talking about this competition. We're not talking about really road. We're just saying just rank them as CrossFitters.
Starting point is 01:15:31 I think if, with Laura, every single competition she ever does, if there's deficit handstand push-up, she's in a different tier. If there's not deficit handstand push-up, she's in her own tier. Okay, but listen, John. If there's four tiers- That she's in her own tier. Okay but listen John if there's competitions right but if there's four tiers there's four tiers if we were ranking every single cross-fitter in the world and we only put two tiers I'm fine you would be in the same tier as Matt Frazier in his fucking prime. I'm fine with four tiers. So it we're not okay. I'm not arguing tears with you I'm arguing
Starting point is 01:16:03 that Laura is not a given tier by herself. I don't like it's a different thing with me for me. So we'll go four tiers. So first tier is podium. Rice and conflated issue. So you understand what's going on here, but I do like to hear your opinion on it. You don't think, let's say you could have as many tiers
Starting point is 01:16:20 as you wanted, just based on the caliber of these people. You do agree, you don't agree that Laura should have her own tier below T.O. I would put Laura in the tier and now she might, she's probably the top of the podium tier, but any competition, any given competition that has strict deficit handstand pushups or of just a very hard, strict handstand push-up event, not free handstand push-ups. Okay. Let me tell you the situation so you don't have to say that. Yeah, Laura can get beat. Right. So let me tell you the situation so you don't have to worry about handstand push-ups.
Starting point is 01:16:53 Let's say it's just unknown 10 events. You're saying... I would have screws doing this with Laura. Because of that vulnerability, Laura will never be in the tier by herself. Correct. And I would just opt for will never be in the tier by herself correct And I would just opt for her to be in the podium tier She would be at the top Right because she is so good if there's not if they're not unless you would be in a league of her own
Starting point is 01:17:15 Okay, but since we do have four tiers will accept that premise Tia Laura and Gabby. I would put I Probably would put because Zan and Ariel in that tier as well. Okay. And then, and then we, we had a, in the second tier, we all agreed that Gazan would be at the top of it. And so at the second tier, we have Danielle, Ariel, Rolf, Emma, tall Gazan, Brooke Wells, Haley Adams, and Amanda Barnhart. So the second tier, I would not have Amanda Barnhart. I mean, second tier I would not have amanda barnhart i mean second tier i would have
Starting point is 01:17:46 danielle brandon brooke wells uh emily rolf and that's probably it oh you would have emily rolf for any given competition yeah emily rolf is uh seven to twelve person how about emma tall emma tall i put her in there too okay so the only one you don't agree with is Amanda Barnhart. And I think JR did say she could be two or three. He also has ones higher. I would play Alex Gazan, Ariel Lowen, Laura Horvath, Gabby, all in the same tier. I'm not even going to argue that. For any given competition.
Starting point is 01:18:22 I would rather take Laura and Gabby and lower them down if you had to make a change instead of raise those two up and just leave them by yourself. It's the same thing. Okay, that's fine. I mean, Tia is like a non-conversation. You can just do whatever you want with that, right? So, but podium, and I would name that tier,
Starting point is 01:18:42 that's podium tier. These women can podium at any given competition, I would say, and I would name that tier that's podium tier these women can podium at any given competition I would say and I and I get it has to be a special run for Ariel It has to be a special run for Alex Laura would have to have strict deficit handstand push-up, but it's there. It's possible. Yeah You know, they had to have the crossfit the cardio games for Gabby to a podium it happened, right? So I would put all of those people in podium tier And then if you want to put tea in there or on her own it's fine, right? I think those women are better than the next year
Starting point is 01:19:14 I will always rank those women higher than the next year on any given competition and the next year But oh, what do you like Emily there in that next tier, but not Haley? Oh, you put Haley there. I just didn't name Haley. I'd put Haley there. 100%. And then the next tier would be Danielle Brandon, Brooke Wells, Haley Adams, Emma Tall, Emily Rolfe. And these in that tier, I'd put top 10. You know, these women at any given point should be in the top ten could be in the top ten, right? And then the only reason why you wouldn't put Haley Adams up there. I put her in that tier No, the only reason why you wouldn't put her in the tee in the top tier the number one tier is because Similar to Laura Laura has this gaping hole
Starting point is 01:20:03 Haley also has this hole, but it just comes up more frequently. Sure. But like for like, like, yes. But for Haley, Haley's never podium and I don't think she ever will. Because of that, because because of just the strength. Yeah, yeah. I mean, strength is one tier of the whole system. Laura's one movement. Right. Haley's one pillar.
Starting point is 01:20:26 Well said, dude. And then the next tier is- Laura has a hole in her gymnastics. Haley has a hole in her strength. And one component of her gymnastics, right? Right. It would be like if Haley just couldn't front squat. Snatch, like Gazan, Gazan Right. Right. It would be like if Haley just couldn't front squat to save her life.
Starting point is 01:20:45 Snatch. Like Gazan. Gazan can't snatch. But she's filthy at everything else. Are you saying that just cause she had one bad snatch event? No, she's, she's traditionally been bad at snatch. It's also self-admitted. It's her in multiple competitions. I think she's better than what she's put forth in competition. Yeah. But it's happened in multiple competitions.
Starting point is 01:21:06 Right. Taylor can't squat, but he can snatch. Like it's not like it's just you have certain holes in certain things, but Haley, it's everything. It's everything in that. Right. Laura's just one movement. Alex is one movement.
Starting point is 01:21:21 Haley is everything. Okay. And then tier three Emma McQuade, Matt Eastert, Danny Spiegel, Paige Zamenza, Manon Anganese, and Taylor Williamson. I'm scrolling down so I can see everybody. And Barnhart. Oh, shit. Okay. So you've moved Barnhart down to three. Emma McQuade,
Starting point is 01:21:44 Matt Eastert, Taylor Williamson, Danny Spiegel, Paige Zamenza, Manon Anganese. Emma McQuade, Maddie Sturt, Taylor Williams, and Danny Spiegel. Page Simmons is a man on Anganese. Yeah, I mean, I'm good with that. And then this one trips me out a little. Sydney Wells, Taylor Howe, and Perran. Yeah, if you want to put Sydney in tier three, it wouldn't bother me, but I get tier four too. Like that's just, you know. Who's a better CrossFitter, Sydney Wells or Maddie Sturt? bother me, but I get tier four too. Like that's just, you know. Who's a better CrossFitter, Sydney Wells or Maddie Sturt?
Starting point is 01:22:09 Maddie Sturt. Hands down. Yeah. Not close. JR, you agree? Yeah. Maddie's closer to Brooke than she is Sydney. Who's a better CrossFitter, Sydney Wells or Manon Anganese? Manon.
Starting point is 01:22:21 I would probably say Manon Anganese. But that's a worthy worthwhile comparison like that'd be fun to see that'd be fun to see at a for a quarterfinals live event I mean it would be the luck of the draw in the events right totally different athletes yeah what I think is really cool too is that of all the people on this list, I mean, we've seen them compete in the last year live, have not seen Sydney because she didn't compete at semifinals this year.
Starting point is 01:22:54 So it's cool that she's even in this field and it's been a long time. So we'll get to see a lot of maybe the things that she wasn't as good at to see how much better she's gotten at them. And Sydney's super fit, but she's just not at the tier at the level of a lot of these girls. You know, she's a she's a poor woman's Brooke Wells. That's what she is. All right. Thank you guys.
Starting point is 01:23:21 I don't think you guys want to be on for this next bit. Maybe you do Bryson. Oh, is it going to get a little live call and ask? Thank you guys. I don't think you guys want to be on for this next bit. Maybe you do Bryson. Oh, is it gonna get a little live call and ask? That's my cue. Sevan likes to give me a heads up. Good night JR. Thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate you brother. It's gonna be short and sweet. John, would you like to stick around for the, uh, I'm going to do a reading
Starting point is 01:23:48 of a post from a figure in the CrossFit space. I'm sticking around. I'm probably, I'm probably, I'm probably signing off on that, man. Yeah. Thank you for having me, Sevan. I'm sorry I was late. No, no good. I know you have other duties.
Starting point is 01:24:01 Thank you. Bye bye. Okay. Uh, JR is frozen. I can't even kick them off. I know you have other duties. Thank you. Bye. Bye Okay JR is frozen. I Can't even kick him off. I'll just remove them This is from the CEO of rad I Remind you what I know about this guy. I'll tell you what I know about this guy I've heard this guy is very kind and cool and a great guest on podcasts. I heard he's very polite, a gentleman, and then,
Starting point is 01:24:34 and I've never met the guy, or if I have, I don't remember ever meeting him. And then I also saw, and then basically he was complaining. I think that that's fair to say. I think that that's rather objective. My next, he popped on the scene because he was complaining that he couldn't sell shoes at Wadapalooza and he was blaming that because here was the primary sponsor of Wadapalooza and he was crying. Oh, thank you, Barry.
Starting point is 01:25:03 I think he was using it as a marketing tool. Uh, if, if, if that's leaning into it, I would say that's fine. Yeah. People were like, Sevan, you don't understand some marketing tool. Well, if you're crying, that's fine too. That doesn't right. Right. Both are true. Both. Yeah. Yeah. You can be paleo zone all day. all day. And he was whining and complaining vociferously that Tear was the big bad bully and they weren't letting him sell shoes at the event, which is very common practice. If you're the main sponsor, if you're giving fucking Wadapalooza half million dollars and you're a shoe company, you're going to say, Hey, I don't want other people selling shoes in the vendor village. It makes perfect fucking sense.
Starting point is 01:25:49 And he wouldn't drop it. He just kept crying and crying and whining like a little bitch and up and playing the victim. And when one tier is not a big company, I think they're a $30 million company. They're not, they're not some gigantic fucking overlord. It's a family run operation. It's been a really good overload in the CrossFit space, but they've had their swimming thing going on for a while. Yeah, they've been it's they have the original owners and they've
Starting point is 01:26:14 been around for a fucking long time. And the guy is busted his ass. Yeah. And you know, the guy's been around for 30 or 40 years. It's like, hey, you could have paid water pelusa half a million dollars and then no one would sell anything but rads at water pelusa. Okay a very common practice so this is what he wrote this is fascinating to me I watched um I watched four videos today defining what fascists are and and all four videos conflate it with like you don't have you don't need to think of it as It's like there's things that define what a cake is right Versus a cupcake versus a doughnut, right? But you don't you but if you start it by saying all of these videos would start with when they define fascist
Starting point is 01:26:59 It's something that you eat at birthday parties like not not relevant to the definition not even not even true Not even true just not even true, just purely subjective, right? Right. You do, but it's not a defining characteristic of a cake. Right. So when you look up the definition of fascist, if they start off by saying,
Starting point is 01:27:14 it's only found in the left or it's only found in the right, that's not even relevant at all. Not even remotely, because you don't find only cakes at bakeries or, you know what I mean, you can find a cake at- You don't only eat them at birthday parties. Yeah, you don't find only cakes at bakeries or you know, I mean you can find it I only do at birthday parties. Yeah, you don't need them a birthday party Okay, so so feel free to look up the term fascist But I'll argue the the the cornerstones are is to divide your society by class or race Right. So black people white people
Starting point is 01:27:49 Jews class or race, right? So black people, white people, Jews, Hispanics, it's to promote the division by of your society by class or race, and then to treat them differently based on that. That's a cornerstone of it. Then the next cornerstone is to control the media, media censorship. So it's to take away individual rights and give them to groups. And then it's to control the media. And then it's to not be afraid to use the authority of the person in power to use that authority
Starting point is 01:28:18 to get rid of people you don't like, to dethrone them, fire them from jobs, kick them off media, put them in jail. So it's to use lawfare. Those are the three elements of fascism. No, the problem is, Jonathan, you might get it, but most people don't get it. Most people think like it's about hating Jews or like it has nothing to do with that. It has nothing to do with hating Jews. Most people do not understand at all what fascism is. Fascism keeps people in the country. It's about locking down your border so that people don't get out. Like North Korea versus the United States. We're allowed to leave freely. Bryson, please put WD-40 on your chair. Okay, here we go. This is from the owner of Rad, Rad Shoes.
Starting point is 01:29:19 Trump will win the White House. The GOP, the Grand Old Party has control of the Senate. This is gutting, yes, but freeing too. We get to make every day over the next four years hell for fascists. misogynists, bigots, and liars. This is not the time to shrink nor the time to despair. By the way, another, so the type of things that happen in fascist regimes or lockdowns in your houses, mandated drugs, who can and can't go to restaurants or to schools, and it's also one of the primary things that they do is they take control of your kids. This is the time for that classic Disney larger than,
Starting point is 01:30:24 Disney, larger than life life kind of gay and possibly well-dressed Unbelievably cruel villainy that punk rock black parade gorilla shit This is our villain era make art fuck shit up build power They're about to learn that the hardest thing about gaining power is keeping it What the fuck? I had two liberal friends. They both have kids who are in the school system. They're both under the age of 12.
Starting point is 01:30:59 I spoke to them today and I asked them about this that they were completely oblivious about. Medical records, kids, 12. You still think Danielle voted for Trump? I do. She doesn't care she doesn't care. She does. She I mean, she's perfectly, you know, she's perfectly okay. It's fascinating that the fascist regime like today was yesterday was a freedom like people who realized that we were under the fascist regime regime and felt their felt their squeeze
Starting point is 01:31:41 on them. Like like people like us who said that exercise, we had our YouTube station pulled down because, um, uh, we said exercise and food is the best way to hedge against disease. Well, because I asked about menstrual cycles and what, and, and hormonal birth control. There was a hit piece put on me by the New York times and the things that happened to Jay Bhattacharya, who is a liberal for working at Stanford,
Starting point is 01:32:05 a doctor and a PhD in economics. And he said, Hey, I think there's already herd immunity. He said that in 2001. Or sorry, in 2020. These are there. It's all it's, it's, it's, it's wild. But but this is this is the kind of shit that fascists do. Now listen, in California, minors 12 and older have the right to privacy regarding their medical information, which limits the access parents and guardians have to their child's medical records. This is going on in California right now. Someone told me it's going on in Illinois, Oregon, and Washington.
Starting point is 01:32:37 Proxy access for the parents and guardians is automatically revoked when a child turns 12. And then they conflate 12-year-olds with teens, the word teens. And a 12-year-old isn't a teen. Teens can discuss their health with their provider in private without a parent present. This is especially true for sensitive services such as substance abuse counseling, testing for sexually transmitted diseases, and family planning. If you actually read the law, one of the things that they can do is they can give out-service medical help for mental health, and that is the prescription of hormone blockers. This is fucking California people.
Starting point is 01:33:38 And this fucking shoe cobbler thinks these are the things that are going to come to a halt under this new fascist regime. This shoe cobbler thinks. I mean, he uses the word. I promise you, he has no idea what the word means We've never had greater censorship If you want to hear an incredible, uh explanation of what's going on feel free to go over to uh, michael schellenberg's, uh, instagram account um And what's crazy is that this dude this dude thinks he's working in the free markets.
Starting point is 01:34:08 And it's going to be interesting to see what happens to him when he puts this kind of shit out. This guy, Schellenberger, he is a liberal. He exposed the FBI for censorship. And of course, the establishment fucking destroyed him. What's happening, and I know most of you know, this is the establishment has come down crazy It is flipping out right because they lost control and we're at 20 million votes Less than last year were cast just think about that. Yeah, really think there were 20 million less votes cast this year than last year. I
Starting point is 01:34:43 Don't see how that could be possible. How? How is that possible? Follow Michael Schellenberger and then go ahead and click this. I'll give you a little bit of taste of it, but here we go. Kamala Harris are reacting with shock, sadness, and anger at the election results. They're asking themselves why so many Latinos, Gen Xers, men and women not only voted the way they did, but also why so many of us feel enormous relief at Trump's historic victory.
Starting point is 01:35:13 But do they really not understand? Or do they not want to understand? After all, over the last decade, many of us who have moved away from the left have been explaining our concerns at length. We didn't appreciate being told we were bigots for not wanting to defund the police, open the borders or mandate racial quotas. We didn't enjoy being called phobic for not wanting doctors to experiment on children with pseudoscientific transgender medicine.
Starting point is 01:35:40 And we didn't like being labeled conspiracy theorists for asking hard questions about COVID policies or why the FBI, CIA, and Department of Homeland Security were involved in mass censorship. And we're not suggesting that those were the only reasons most voters or swing voters voted for Trump. Polls indicate that the top issues were the economy, migration, but elections are one on the margins. And what made the difference between 2020 and 2024 was the defection of so many traditionally democratic voters to Trump and the Republicans. And many of those who defected were like us,
Starting point is 01:36:15 alienated by the transformation of the democratic party into a mob of woke scolds and persecutors. Trump gained unprecedented ground across the electorate, disrupting Democrats' hold on Black, Latino, and Muslim voters in key areas. Even young people, and especially young men, swung to the right. Trump won over large segments of the working class, while Harris improved over Joe Biden with high-income voters, college-educated white women, and white people in general. These results are nothing short of a massive political realignment that should put to bed once and for all the corrosive myth that Trump's coalition
Starting point is 01:36:52 is driven by white supremacy or fascism. Through the democratic process, voters have resoundingly rejected elites' favored narratives about race, class, and immigration. elites favored narratives about race, class, and immigration. There's no division by race or class or ethnicity or religion coming from Trump. The only division is the division by the imaginary line that makes the United States border. It's what every single country does. that makes the United States border. It's what every single country does. And so if anybody really wants to understand why so many of us, even if we have our criticisms of Trump, feel relief and vindication as victory, they need to consider that it has more to do with
Starting point is 01:37:36 the repudiation of totalitarianism than with Trump as a person or even as policies. Wokeism, or whatever you want to call it, progressivism, identity politics, radical leftism has been rampaging through society for roughly the last decade. And those of us who have been stigmatized and ostracized by it feel like we can finally breathe again. What we're experiencing is known as catharsis, which comes from the Greek word for cleanse or purge.
Starting point is 01:38:03 In Greek tragedy, the audience experiences catharsis when it feels a release of negative emotions and a sense of renewal. Many of us who have felt persecuted for our views, even in small ways, such as not feeling comfortable expressing our true feelings with friends and family, we now feel freer to speak our minds. After all, the majority is with us.
Starting point is 01:38:24 Our views are normal, mainstream, and common sense. As Democrats weaponized the government and justice system attempting to keep Trump off the ballot and put him in prison, we identified not with Trump the Republican or the businessman or the former president even, but rather with Trump the wrongly accused. At bottom, he was being persecuted by the same totalitarian forces that had been rampaging through society for a decade. Sometime between Occupy Wall Street in 2011 and the first Black Lives Matter protests in 2013, seemingly normal liberals and Democrats started to lose their minds.
Starting point is 01:39:00 Everything became racist. Everything became suspicious. Nothing was more suspicious than not agreeing 100% with the official woke democratic agenda. Trump's election put wokeism on steroids. Suddenly a word that in the past only extreme radical leftists had used to describe a Republican president, fascist,
Starting point is 01:39:19 was now being used by very serious people like the New York Times columnists, establishment Democrats, and the previously sober foreign policy establishment. It was between 2016 and 2020 that Wilkism not only completed, but intensified its grip on every major institution in society, from news and entertainment media to schools and universities. These institutions encouraged and participated in the mass condemnation and cancellation of heretics, which became known as the Great Awakening, and was really a new witch hunt.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Ordinary and otherwise decent people behaved cruelly. They accused people they had known for years or decades of bigotry or racism, or of wanting to genocide trans people, or wanting millions to die from COVID. Diverging from progressive orthodoxy in any way became enough for people to not only end friendships, but to insist that the transgressors be ostracized and excommunicated. Those who had made a great show
Starting point is 01:40:15 of being courageously open-minded and tolerant became intolerant, incurious, and cowardly. We were asked to pretend that the people carrying the pitchforks and torches to go witch hunting were in fact well-intentioned and just cared a lot more than the rest of us. They didn't. Behind the totalitarianism were individuals who had given into base motives like hedonism, envy, dogmatism, self-righteousness, prejudice, snobbery, psychopathy, and even sadism.
Starting point is 01:40:46 There are many underlying causes of the totalitarian great awakening. The growing distance between educated elites and working people, the rise of narcissism, psychopathy, and other cluster B personality traits like entitlement and grandiosity. The ways in which the social media dehumanizes people and normalizes behaviors that would
Starting point is 01:41:05 seem psychopathic in real life. The anxiety induced by social media's fishbowl effect, where our natural fears of social disapproval are magnified to agree we were never evolved for. The counter-populist reaction from the deep state foreign policy establishment to a populist America. If you don't file Schellenberg, you should. He's a brilliant guy. He was persecuted. He's part of releasing the Twitter files, him and Talibi. They exposed the
Starting point is 01:41:32 FBI for censorship here in the United States. This is the great censorship that the left believes is needed to save democracy. The fact that you think if you get rid of freedom of speech, you have to remember democracy is then just a ruse. There is no, there is no, there is freedom of speech is far more important than democracy. You can't preserve a democracy without freedom of speech. This is, this is just, you don't understand the hierarchy, the pyramid. And it's truly, it's embarrassing that post from Ben, Massey from Rad is disturbing. It's very disturbing. Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:42:16 I think the post that you put up with Greg earlier, where you had those reporters right when he was getting off and you had those reporters that were like, oh, this is because of black men and Hispanic men have turned on us. And you know, this is because of you. It's like these liberals are spiraling now because they've spent all this time trying to like virtue signal and justify why we have to separate things and make things different for people based on color and And it's going to help them in all this stuff. And then, and now, you know,
Starting point is 01:42:48 people of color are realizing like, Hey, we just want to live our life and not have all these restrictions on everything we do. You know, the censorship that we're talking about, basically segregation, you know, and, you know, and people are starting to realize it so then they vote accordingly and You know people people don't know what to do those news reporters basically saying that you know It's black men and Hispanic men's fault for being misogynistic These are the same organizations that four years ago were saying Black Lives Matter, and now they're saying that they said that black men are stupid and Hispanic men are stupid and they're misogynistic.
Starting point is 01:43:30 And what's their explanation? The same explanation that Taylor Swift gave in the documentary, that they're men. That's the only explanation. But now the left has added that they're black men and Hispanic men. So not only before Hispanic men and black men got a pass, it was just men who were misogynistic just because of the fact that we had a penis. But now it's also your skin color. It is absolutely fucking wild. And one of the cornerstones of fascism is you have to divide the society by class and that's what they're doing. No one cares. No one cares if you're tranny or if you're gay or if you're black or like no one on the right cares.
Starting point is 01:44:15 No one cares. No one gives a fuck. I think the censorship is... Honestly, I think with the election going the way it did, hopefully the biggest difference that we'll notice immediately is maybe the censorship, or at least that's what I'm hoping for. I got called tinfoil hat the other day because I brought up the fact that one of your shows got pulled down because of talking about water polo and the leading cause of water polo today. Oh yeah. Yeah. It did get pulled down because of that.
Starting point is 01:44:49 They showed me they actually showed me the clip. I was reading the AP article from 2019 and my show got pulled down. That my friend said my friends who have these kids who are under 12 told me I was out of my fucking mind. But I know it's happening because my friends who have kids who are turning 12 are getting letters from the state saying you now no longer have access to your kids medical records. Dude, Susan said this the other day. Yeah, it's fun.
Starting point is 01:45:13 Yeah, the whole like gender dysphoria and like your the schools being able to affirm that not tell the parents and stuff is 100% just a vehicle to get the government in between parents and their kids. They don't give a fuck about gender dysphoria. So can I draw the conclusion that Ben Massey thinks that that's okay for the government to get between your kids and and the parents at the age of 12 and that the kids should be allowed to start taking hormonal medications that are irreversible. It's either that or he's just ignorant. But that are irreversible? It's either that or he's just ignorant. But he doesn't even live here.
Starting point is 01:45:48 Well, he lives in a socialist country. I think he lives in Europe, right? Yeah. And if he lives in the UK, we already know what they're doing. They're letting pedophiles and rapists out of jail and putting in people who wrote things on social media that were perceived. They're minor attractive persons, bro.
Starting point is 01:46:08 Yeah, sorry, my bad. It's absolutely insane. Also, those of you who may not know, but there is a lot, there's mounting evidence that Scott Presser, look at who is deplatformed and who is gay. Deplatformed and gay. Scott Presser organized the Amish people in Pennsylvania. And I'm reading different accounts, but he started a movement that registered between 80,000 and 150,000 Amish people in Pennsylvania, and they all voted for Trump. And why did they vote for Trump? Because the Biden administration went on to Amish farms and started stopping them, prohibiting them from producing non-pasteurized milk, raw milk.
Starting point is 01:46:55 Yeah. And prior to that, they hadn't been a voting block, and now they are, because you took away their rights. Yeah, because if people stop eating processed foods and stop shooting their kids up with chemicals from the first day that they're born, then they're not going to have all these mental issues that they have to rely on medicines for. And you know, they need them to keep eating processed food and keep getting these injections and stuff that are just going to keep them retarded. For those of you who were, I know many of you felt a relief today after four years of
Starting point is 01:47:34 truly being under something that was more akin to fascism or totalitarianism, I felt relief today. Congratulations. Today was a crazy, amazing day. My wife said that she was walking around New Leaf, a little pep in her step or Whole Foods. And then she realized as she walked out that she was walking amongst zombies. I understand it is, it is scary for them. But nothing's going to happen to you. You're free. All you're feeling is freedom. And in the nanny state moved away at a distance.
Starting point is 01:48:06 You're also the same people that yelled at us for not standing six feet away from you, for not fucking having our mask on tight. You're the same people who keep all of our kids who aren't injected with government mandated drugs in schools. Did you read that Turtles All the Way down book that Taylor recommend? Oh, I haven't read that yet. I'm going to read it though. I'm gonna listen to it. I haven't finished it yet but it's it literally like turtles all the way down is the best way to describe it like just the fact every you know jab is tested on
Starting point is 01:48:41 its safety based on another jab like there's no true placebos, which would be way less expensive to do, way more ethical and actually, you know, let you know if the vaccine is causing any health issues. And it's crazy. And it's all public record. Like my people just don't want to look at it. Yeah, I know people don't want to look at it. If you read the book and there's no studies that show simultaneous exposures, no studies. And yet one of my friends, a kid got tetanus and you can't get a single tetanus shot by itself and had to take three simultaneous drugs in order to get the tetanus. But there's no studies for that either.
Starting point is 01:49:23 There's not a single study that's testing multiple injections. The whole thing is fucking maddening. Yeah. The censorship is the real thing that we got to get away from. Also, if you didn't see what RFK posted today, let me read it to you. It's, man, it's such a breath of fresh air. And this, unfortunately, this is the kind of stuff that's scaring people, even though it's amazing.
Starting point is 01:49:53 Let me see if I can find it. While you're looking for that, this is a coffee shop that Marist goes to a decent amount. They just posted this today. If you need a safe place to cry and grieve this new reality, we are open and you are welcome to stay as long as needed with a broken heart emoji. From Robert F. Kennedy, FDA's war on public health is about to end. It's a war because it's captured. You should know all of the agencies have been captured. That term captured
Starting point is 01:50:21 means is they get their funding from Johnson and Johnson, Nestle's, they're all captured. That term captured means is they get their funding from Johnson and Johnson, Nestle's, they're all captured, they get their mat the majority of their budgets from there. And there's people inside of there who are governor, government employees who have lifetime royalties from things that they help develop. FDA's war on public health is about to end this includes its aggressive suppression of psychedelics, peptides, stem cells, raw milk, hyperbaric therapies, chelating compounds, ivermectin, hydrochloroquine, vitamins, clean foods,
Starting point is 01:50:49 sunshine, exercise, nutraceuticals, and anything else that advances human health and can't be patented by pharma. If you work for the FDA and are part of this corrupt system, I have two messages for you today. Preserve your records and pack your bags. That's sick. It is sick. And for those of you for those of you who are scared,
Starting point is 01:51:14 who are liberals, who are freaking out, don't worry. All the fucking people they're going to replace those people with are fucking liberals from academia who've been ostracized forced to shut their fucking mouths like J. Bhattacharya, John Iannati's RFK, it's not you don't have to worry. It's not gonna be any Gun toting fucking white supremacists. They're gonna harvest fucking libtards who've been fucking tied down and held in the basement Alright guys fucking tied down and held in the basement. All right, guys. Welcome to reality, not the new reality,
Starting point is 01:51:51 just welcome to reality. Love you guys. I'll see you guys tomorrow morning. On the eighth, we have Bear Hanlon coming on. I think he's got some big announcements to make. We'll be doing a show tomorrow night ranking the men, the top three men, and then Friday getting up early in the morning to check out Rowe. And if you're bummed that fluoride is going to be taken out of your water, don't worry, you can still purchase it. By the
Starting point is 01:52:17 way, if you have any questions about fluoride, just Google and go to YouTube and type in origins of fluoride. We'll never use fluoride in your mouth ever again. Love you guys. Thank you, Sevan, you're welcome. Hernan, Hernan, Hernan. Bye guys, bye bye. Thanks, Bryson.

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