The Standup with ThePrimeagen - AI Personal Assistants are ruining people lives

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

We break down the Open Claw insanity taking over Silicon Valley, including the head of AI safety accidentally nuking her own inbox, developers wiring autonomous agents directly into their lives, and the growing trend of giving AI sudo access like that’s a normal thing to do. Trash admits he’s vibe-coding secret iOS apps, including one that may or may not speedrun divorce. We debate AI personal assistants, spam calls, self-hosting myths, Mac mini bot farms, and whether anyone is actually running these models locally. We also dissect the most awkward AI summit moment of the year: Sam Altman and Dario Amodei refusing to hold hands on stage next to the Prime Minister of India. Theater kid energy meets billion-dollar rivalry. Read the Harper’s piece we reference in this episode — a deep dive into AI startup culture and the hype surrounding it: https://harpers.org/archive/2026/03/childs-play-sam-kriss-ai-startup-roy-lee/

All my points for the stand-up somehow just disappeared out of my OBS. So give me one second. Give me one second. Sorry. All the points. The points. I think he's talking out. Oh.

Yeah. Oh, that's a spoiler, bro. That's a big time. It's going on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, sorry.

All right. All right. You guys ready to start the standout. I forgot. We're even doing that. You guys kind of say you're having a bunch, but I'm like, pretty ready to go. I don't know what you guys are doing. I was just trying to fill in the time because you look like you're trying to fix things still.

Welcome to the stand-up. This week we have with us some legendary guests. We have a trash dev. We have Tdiv and first-time on the podcast Bash Bunny. Long-time friend though. All right. This is going to be a unique week because it is going to be a little bit faster pace. We're going to cover a couple more stories than normal. And that's because this week has just been super strange and I'm not really sure how to describe it other than probably this image right here maybe this is the best way to describe what has been going on for those that can't see this is Gary tan president and CEO of Y Combinator in a full bodysuit lobster outfit let's just say that people have open claw fever right now second off there's another really great tweet that I thought

would be kind of fun to show which is that like 40 some thousand accounts are currently just completely wide open with OpenClaw where that means that anyone could just log on and have admin privileges to your entire life and there's just thousands upon thousands of these available on the internet and just one more. The head

of AI alignment and safety at Meta accidentally had her inbox deleted and then after having her inbox deleted by OpenClaw decided I'm going to tweet this and went on the internet and told everybody I will you wouldn't be able to get that out of me

no matter what. I would be hiding that information forever. Quick. I got a quick clarification on that prime. There is zero percent chance you wouldn't leak that that happened. Well, yeah, but it'd be by accident. Not on purpose. Okay, there's a huge difference between the two.

We would find out. Hey, is that HCTP? Get that out of here. That's not how we order coffee. We order coffee via SSH terminal dot shop. Yeah, you want a real experience? You want real coffee. You want awesome subscriptions so you never have to remember again.

Oh, you want exclusive blends with exclusive coffee and exclusive content. Then check out Kron. You don't know what SSH is? Well, maybe the coffee is not for you. So I guess the real question is has, I know we're going to probably have a much different experience in the Y Combinator podcast of everyone dressed up as a lobster. Has anyone here tried out one of these AI personal assistants? No. No, because I'm terrified of myself.

No, not yet. I mean, I run a lot of except all dangerously permissions on my computer, but I'm at the screen for when that happens. Like this virtual came, I'm on right now because I'm calling in from Linux today, OBS didn't have it. And I just said install all the packages you need to make that work. And then it did. I don't know if it installed anything else.

but you did it know but I have working virtual cam in one try so that was cool I was huge yeah on Linux on Linux

on Linux first try arch even dang I hear videos getting easier these days not that I'm actually going to do anything with it but I hear it's still easier

than audio that's like the general consensus okay but real question are any of you in the next little bit going to be trying out these autonomous bots I think

I will be. I was, I was going to say trash will be. Yeah, I was talking to some people and they were like giving me like a little demo and I was like, man, that's pretty cool. So if I could just like build stuff while I'm just like chilling eating pancakes somewhere, I'm going to try it. So actually this past week and I started embracing vibe coding more. So I started vibe coding a lot of like iOS apps. So I'm going to start using like these agents so I can just start prompting from wherever I am. It does a pretty good job. Well, that's pretty different though than the assistant thing. Like I've been doing a lot of remote like cloud stuff. I, I, I've, I've done like two billion tokens in the last. Oh my goodness. But that's different than the assistant stuff. The assistant stuff is like, I want to hook it up to my email so it can like book a reservation for me and my wife and then remind me that it's Valentine's Day Today or something. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So my primary use case for that is I currently get spam calls from like all these financial like debt loans or whatever. So I'm trying to see if I can use like open call or whatever to just like somehow block all those or just like get them out for me. It's like insane. Why do you get those spam calls, trash? Is there anything that you wish to tell us?

Well, I'll be honest. I thought it was real at first, and I started freaking out. But after about 500 calls from the same woman, I assume they're fake at this point. So I just need to get them out of my inbox. Dude, seriously, like 10 times a day, I got to delete my voicemails all the time. I don't know how to stop it. You have your voice-based message? You're not blocking the number?

You block it, but they just call from a different number. Oh, okay. You thought you were saying, though, you were getting a call from the same lady. It's like it was the same number every time. That's how I knew they were fake. I was like, there's no way this woman I keep calling me this many times. It's impossible. I didn't know this many people wanted to talk to me.

Trash, maybe you leaked the shirtless pick. I don't know. I don't know. Possibly. Yeah. All right. So Trash, you're actually going to give it a try and your current tries to do something that other software already does.

Are you going to try to do a little bit of personal assistance on it? Like, have you done any research? That's my personal assistance. Is this to make my life better? Dude, the software on the Apple phone, it just silences the call, but it doesn't, like, go through your inbox and, like, automatically clean it up. Oh. Can you make it go into your...

Dude, that seems crazy. I don't know. I do not need it going through and delete the voicemails. Can't open call it do whatever it wants? That's true. It's a computer... It's, it's, uh, everything's open to it, I guess. I don't know.

Can you get this stuff for the appan intelligence? If you have a skill for it, I think it is open. But, TJ, obviously, obviously you can go through inboxes and delete stuff. Great point. Like, I mean, it's just right here. your email. I don't know if it could do like your local voicemail on your phone or something, but I should I should just assume that yes, it can do absolutely everything. To be fair, I haven't set of voicemail in over 10 years. So I don't know how it works these days.

I don't know if it's changed. Because before you used to be like with your provider would do your voicemails. Now it could be like local and people they get transcripts and things are a lot different than they used to be. What do you mean set it up, dude? It's just like you get a phone and you can leave a voicemail on someone's phone. Call me right now. I can't. Dead seriously. Call me right now. Does Android not come with voicemail?

Don't show the screen when it rings. Yeah. I'm calling right now. I've been like the worst bumble all time. I'm calling right now. It does say your number, so. Yeah, that's fine. There's no way.

He probably doesn't even have it saved. People are so respectful online. Hit ignore so it goes to voicemail. No, no, no. We're going to play it out. I want to make sure that people, all right, TJ. That's the worst Put it up to

Hey, TJ, put your phone up to the microphone Okay All right, I'm gonna ignore you It's there Stop! Don't show your phone screen They definitely enhanced What? How do people reach you?

What if there's an emergency? Then I will either answer my phone Or I won't, bitch text me, I don't need you Leave me voicemails? What is this? It feels like that's something that you you have to actively go do i just got a phone and it has voicemail no you have to set it up yeah you have to set it's been so long that i don't even know i've switched services i'm not setting that i'm not

setting that up yeah don't i don't i don't these guys an emergency contact for somebody can you believe it open clock could set it up for you open clock could set this up i ain't send it up i'm never setting it up okay well mine works um maybe i did something i guess a while ago i don't yeah You actually set it up and then you forgot about it. And you're just like, I thought these voice messages just work. It doesn't have my voice message. It just says a GoogleFi user has not been able to get to the phone. Here you go.

That's what it says. Okay, that might be a Google thing. Google might actually automatically have it set up for you. The original open claw. The original. I could. What are these iOS apps that you're vibing? What are these iOS apps that you're vibing?

It's a secret because I'm a big lot. I'm just kidding. One specifically, one specifically for me and my wife. So there's like this, we get these arguments where I'm like, man, you just left food in the sink again. She's like, oh, I left food in the sink again? What was the last time I did that? And I was like, and I'm like, I don't know. She's like, that's right.

You can't tell me. And I'm like, bitch, I'm making an app to log this shit. This is literally episode three season one of Black Mirror where the entire history of you. You're like trying to like rewind and be like, oh, yeah, you did do this last week. Trash. I'm literally like, I'm so close to like $100 in and it's almost done, I swear. Trash, pro tip. Can I give you a pro tip? Just a quick tip. It's actually not about. Trash automated divorce. No, it's actually not about vibe coding. The pro tip would just be you say, you're so right, honey, my bad. I'll clean that up. So this is the other aspect of it is like I don't want to cause an argument. So I'm using like AI to tell me how to frame it better. So I don't sound like a douche.

Here, pro that'll, can I also hop in on a pro tip? Are you ready for this one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see some dirty dishes in the sink, and you just clean them up. I do, but I'm still mad about it. I'm still mad about it. And if they say, yes, you go, you clean those up and you learn yourself some responsibility. And if it's not your kids, you go, I'll clean these up, not a big deal.

I thought you were going to say, if it's not your kids, you say, hey, kids, you want to earn your room and board? You can also do that. Yeah, but no, but that's my up idea that I'm currently building right now. So then I love that. I originally called it receipts, so I could be like, here's the receipts. Oh, my. Resnits is so funny. But the AI was like, that's a little too aggressive for a title.

Trash, quick question. Does she know that you're building this? No. She, like, walked up one time and I closed my laptop. I'm just going to hit you with, like, photo evidence, and she's probably going to divorce me or she's going to use it against me. So I'm going to let her use it too, and we're just going to, like, battle-testing each other. The problem is it's going to be, you're going to find out afterwards.

you're the one that's always doing it 10 times is off. I think my wife's listening. Are you outside the door listening? My wife is literally listening to the conversation. Get her on the pot. My wife is literally listening outside the door right now. Can you go away? Bring her on the pod.

Bring her on the pod. Trash, come on. Don't do it, Trash. Come on. I'm not exposing my wife to the internet. Go away. I heard her like eating a bowl of cereal outside of the door. Ridiculous.

I'm putting that on the app another instance It's going on the app Receit number one Your days are numbered woman You should have like the subtitle of your app Receipts be speed running divorce any percent Yeah for real

But yeah That's what I'm doing with my life I love that Bash do you have anything going on Hey Bash, what are you doing? doing. I have not been vibe coding. Actually, I guess I did technically vibe code a little something for, for stream. I added a little schedule command that went with, that works with Nightbot so that when, because everyone gets confused on time zones. So I did that. And then I've been working

on a little, a little blog post management thing for myself as a little personal project. No vibes. And that's been good, except I'm now at the point where I'm, like, experiencing all of the, all of the footguns that previous me has, uh, has set out for myself. So I'm at that point where I'm like, it's forced refactor. If you, if you, if you like experiencing footguns, you should really try vibe coding. Literally. Tell me more, trash. I don't know. I'm a swift expert at this point.

at least you have a quad skill that says you are yeah yeah yeah okay I haven't even looked at the code yet so bad you don't do much to viving at all then you're still all you're all trad coding well I think it's kind of like I think I would I would do it more but I feel like right now I feel like my my main goal is actually that like friction you know my main goal is like learning right now and like I want to just I'm happy I enjoy the the struggle um Yeah, I think that if it was something where I, like, just want the results, then that's like, I'd be happy to do it at a vibe. But, yeah, with this project, I'm just like, no, I want to, I want to feel it all.

I'll tell you what, though. I'm in, I'm in primez old codebase at work. AI cannot help me in that code base. Yeah. I told you. Absolutely insane. Did you figure out how focus works? No, you didn't.

I don't know anything. I don't know anything about anything. It's insane. Okay. For those that don't understand, Gibbon, which is what he's dealing with, NRDP, Netflix-ready device platform. Oh, is that what that means? Never knew that. Okay. It's your team, bro.

Anyways, just been there for many years. You've been there since the great crash, which you caused, and you still haven't, you didn't even know this. Okay, so NRDP is like a browser. It is almost up to date with all browser standards, but there's also things that browsers do that you just don't realize, such as focus. Have you ever thought about the fact that when you, like, you like hover your mouse over something? like there's focus. When you click on a box, there's focus. If you try to move around, there's no focus.

Oh, it's focused. So there's this, if you look through there, I think they used to use Percowski distances. I don't know if it's changed, but they do like programmatic calculation of focuses and all that kind of stuff. And so if you can figure out how focus works, and here's the best part is since everyone got React pilled, focus works through React. So props, there's like selected and all this. It is beautiful. It is a, like everything's a higher order component. How great is the higher order component, thrash?

On a scale of one to ten, how much fun are you having? Zero. I'm trying to have like AI help me like dissect the codebase. I'm like, what does this do? And I don't care. I don't even know if it's telling the truth or not, to be honest, but I'm believing in it. So we'll find out.

Ask me again at six months. Okay. All right, we'll put it on the calendar. You know what I just, what I put on the calendar that's just about to come up that I know. OpenFlaw to put it on the calendar? No, I didn't. Remind me in six months. Open call it.

Mind me in six months. Is about the Apple iPhone strap thing. I know Casey's going to make fun of me so much next week for saying that I thought Apple people were going to buy it. And I've never seen one in public. It's coming next week. Wait, it's coming as in its dropping or you bought one in its coming? No, no, no. I'm saying the six month reminder that where I told Casey, you will see one public by now.

And he said definitely not. It's been six months? I think so. Yeah, sorry, trash. That was like three weeks ago. Yeah, sorry. Sorry to break that to you. Prime, I want to hear more about the stories that you had. Which stories?

The ones at the beginning. I thought we were going to talk about them. Oh, yeah, we can talk about the stories. All right, for those, yeah, I mean, that's totally cool. I think this is my, I mean, this is obviously probably the most hilarious of the ball. Do you want to hear about this? Is this internet dying? I did a video on it, so that's why I wasn't sure if you actually wanted to hear about this. Oh, no, I just moved my chat.

there we go oh yeah we're back into place uh this one right here that you can see uh obviously on the screen because it's very clear and it's definitely the proper size and everything and you're not having problems seeing it that is uh a text message back and forth so this is a head i ahead of safety and a i alignment at meta so this person should be knowing a lot about how i works how's that open claw zoom open claw enhance open claw sorry oh my god why do people trust this so now that's with all of their data. Great question, Bash.

This is the most confusing part about the whole thing is that they, is that any, like so many people are launching into this so fast, to kind of put into perspective, Linux has 218,000 stars. OpenClaw has like 221,000 stars last time I checked. So that's,

it came out in November or October. So it's like a straight up curve. They are immediately like, everybody's jumping on to this idea of a personal system. And I think I understand why it would be convenient. If I just had somebody that's like, yo, find me flowers and make their sure they come on this date. And I can just like say that and then it just goes off and does things.

Like I see the appeal of having something I can just tell to do a bunch of stuff too. Yeah. But also if you just read the text in here, which is it, it says no, do not do that. No, stop. Stop. Like just over and over again. Give a little more context. People do not know the story.

Okay. The story is very, very simple. The head of alignment and safety at Netflix decides. to give open claw a world. No. Sorry, I met up. Gives open claw a world.

Hooks it up to her email. And then I assume the thing that happened before this was, please clean out my inbox for all, like a bunch of old junk mail or something like that. And it decides that effectively 24 hours and older is bad emails. And just starts deleting everything that's 24 hours and older and just keeps on going as fast as possible until she can get to her computer and control see it. Because she didn't know how to stop it from her.

her phone. Yeah, I love exec. Nuclear option. Trash. Nuclear option sends me. Do not do that. It's like, it's like when you have a dog and your dog is like eating something, you're like, no, stop. Don't eat the trash.

It's like you're, it's like a dog. In this, in this. Yeah. But you're trying to catch kids to the dog to stop it. You can't. You're trying to grab the chicken bone out of its mouth. Like, well, it's like, they're pooping on the carpet. Don't poop on the floor.

No. For me, Nuclear option. Trash, that is so funny for me. It's when the dog starts making the throat sound, you're laying in bed and you're running out of bed. The blanket's on you. You're like, no, don't do it. It's just like on the carpet.

My dog always runs for the carpet as opposed to running for like the hardwoods because you know, it's like grass. I think she's like trying to be helpful or something. I'm not really sure what's going on. No, she's spiting you, bro. She's spiting you. It's just like full sprint. My cat did that.

But my cat did that. cat would jump off the bed and go underneath the bed to where I can't grab them. And I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like, no. And my cat's just like, uh, uh, uh, I'm just like, no. And then after like a minute, bleh, I'm like, fucking fantastic. Guess I'm cleaning that up at 4 in the morning. Hate it. So, oh, my, KTSD for that.

That people are giving all of their eathlet. Yeah, you know what? I don't even want to try open call anymore. It might peep on the rug. It might puke on the rug. There is one. I forgot to put this one in, which I am a little bit surprised.

I can't tell if this is actually real or not real. Like, at this point in life, I can't tell when things are actually just, we're faking stuff. I forgot I had my transitions on. Oh, sick,

he just transitioned on us, bro. Sick, transitioned, dude. In case we forgot his name. Oh, oh,

you're the private jet? Oh, okay, okay. Holy shit, that's the primogen. Yeah, welcome, guys. So I know that this is from programmer humor,

but this is the state of affairs we're currently in with OpenClawn. which this one's kernel mode you just they're jokingly or this is actually dead serious i never actually went and figured it out which is that it can just apparently operate as pseudo you just give it pseudo privileges at all times and it just can go in and out of any privileged access that it needs i know this is generally a joke but people would use this immediately yeah and go and be like oh yeah we just just give it always have it have as much access as possible so if it just needs to delete root it can just delete root or read anything from anywhere like we should just let it have that like that is going to be

the final state of this all even though I don't think this, I mean, I, I don't believe that's real at all. It will be, though. I can't imagine someone can even build it right now. I don't even know if it's possible to build. It will be. Are people like self-hosting the model? No.

Yeah. Not usually. You guys, you guys are so, all right? You guys are so, all right, let's break out the whiteboard. Yeah, can, yeah, someone in chat is also confused about the Mac minis. Where do they fall into this? So, okay, so you buy one of these. Okay.

you buy one of these. Oh, you got one. Okay. Of course I've got club local host later, so he has to have his clubbop ready. This is my, this is the key card that I use to get into club local host, okay? You can't just show up and say, oh, I'm running it in the cloud. No, no, no, you have to have one of these. What do you buy this for?

It's so that it can do I message. That's the only reason people are buying this. They are paying on their, their Claude Pro Max, $200 a month. They then run this separately. Okay? They're not going to, this is just a bomb? Yes. Aren't they using WhatsApp?

What models do you think they have that they can run locally fast enough to go do everything in their life and go do modal things and everything? Very fair. $600. There's no fucking way. One trillion percent.

One trillion percent. They are not hosting their models locally on this. So let me get this straight. People are buying thousands of dollars worth of computer to get access to iMess. message. Yes. And the other thing, the other thing, the other reason you use this, all the websites check to see if it's coming from a stupid Safari browser on Mac and say, oh, it's probably not a bot because no one's stupid enough to buy hardware to run their bot farms on a Mac. So you get

captured less and other things less. That's the other reason that people are doing that. Yeah. I'm one trillion percent serious. They are not running local models. You cannot run a serious model on just one of these. Yeah, but you can probably want to run a 1.5-bit quantized Kimmy K on there. Quick question, Prime. It's already stupid to hook up your whole life to an AI model. You want to give it to a one that's an imbecile. Is that your contention?

Okay, fair point. I want to put it on the slowest, dumbest version of the personal assistant possible. That, come on. Wait, so what model are people using different models with, with, with, BOD? Open AI Bought basically bought they hired the guy. You can use any model you want it. You just put in a different key and it will just say

oh, I want 513 codex to run it or I want 4.6 Opus or I want whatever. But they're definitely not local hosting the model. Okay, I thought because there are some people that have like the series of Mac minis all hooked together. I think those ones are because they have 64 gigs of unified memory on them. Yeah, but that's

not the same person who buys this turns OpenClawn, hooks it up to the internet and says, please, anyone acts. my whole entire life. That's insane. Oh my God, the privacy's dead. There's not only, they are shipping their entire life up to the model, to the cloud provider.

It's like every, every single thing, every email that you have, every single question you have everything, not even just like, oh, what I happen to type in chat chit, but they're like, have my whole life, put it in there. Yes, it is one trillion percent people are not running these locally. The FBI is like, finally. Yeah, yeah, right. NSA has never been happier ever. they're like, oh, there's that many people with open, okay, cool.

Yeah, yeah, with completely, completely open, open clause, they just go troll around on the internet, they can find them, yeah. Yeah. So that is, that is kind of like the part one of the insanity that's happening in the Silicon Valley. I figured it's a good time to kind of move on to part two. Yep, which part two, this one's going to have many points, but I think the one that we just need to really just focus in on is this right here. Oh, this is my favorite one.

For those that have not seen this. I've never seen this. This, first off, you'll notice that if you look right next to the guy in the center in the white, I forgot his name. He's the Prime Minister of India, right? Yes, that's correct. Can you enhance this? No. No.

This is not going to get enhanced. This is, I'm playing this off of Windows media player. We see that, but I'm wondering why don't you just press full screen, bro. I was going to say something. If I press full screen, it freezes Riverside. Oh, okay. Don't do that. Don't do that.

You may have forgot how crazy all this. I'm 90% done with vibe coding a Riverside replacement. By the way, TJ, actually, that's every single app ever created is, dude, bro, I'm 90% done. Yeah,

well, check me out next week. I don't need it anymore. Check me on next week. We'll be on, we'll be on ours. All right, let's do it. Claude bot can make this less change.

Open claw. Sorry, one sec, one sec, one sec. Give you a Riverside code right now. All right, here we go. So let's play this. So first, Bash, from our perspective, the guy on the right to the Prime Minister of India is Sam Altman.

The person to his right or to our right is CEO of Anthropic Dario. This is at a big AI summit in India. So you can see behind it, it's Impact Summit. So this is like the biggest thing. And so for whatever reason, the prime minister has decided that everybody needs to hold hands. At the end. To show that they're like that. And look at Sam.

look at Sam, put his hand away, pull it away. And then look at them. There's only two people in there that are not holding hands with the person next to them. And it's Sam and Dario. Their hands are spread apart right at the top, right there. This is what I'm wondering. If you go back like a couple frames, he looks behind Dario to like the guy next to him. Like, did you want to hold like other guy's hand instead?

Because he knew that Dario's standing next to him, but he still looks behind. Look at Sam. Like Sam is looking at. He's looking for someone else. See that? Like, who's he? Look. He's going to look behind him.

Look at his face. He looked over there and said. That's my expression when I smell. He's like, yeah, with someone else trying to hold hands? Like, where is he looking? That's actually such a good point. Did he think he was going to just go around Adario? And Dario just be by himself?

He's looking off stage. I honestly think that was going through his head. He's like, I got to hold someone's hand. It ain't his. So maybe it's the other dude. Because look at this. He starts with his hand down. Look at him.

He's looking. He is most certainly contemplating Dario. I wish this was pulled back just a little bit further. And we could see Dara's expression in the same. time is Dario recoiling even more? You know, is Dario? Oh, yeah. Is Sam like, oh, maybe we will, maybe we won't?

And then Dario's like, oh, my goodness. I wish I could see. Maybe Sam was like looking. Like, look at that. Maybe he was getting ready to. They're both looking down the hands. Look at her. They're both looking down.

They're both. They both see. They both see that they're the ones not holding hands, though. That's for sure. That's for sure. This makes me cringe so hard. Oh, my. Oh, it makes, I love it.

Maybe, okay, hold on. So now I'm actually, I'm going to actually have to say that Sam is vindicated and that it was Dario. Because here's why, because look at them. They were both looking at the hands, right? And then Sam looks like he's like, okay. And he like leans it up and he goes, uh, and he looks for like help. Like, hey, help like, who am I supposed to hold your hand? Yeah.

Like maybe that's what's going on there. He's just like, uh, they turn. Look at the prime minister. He's like, Jesus. Yeah Yeah, I know. It's like your dad watching like your brother's fight or something. He's like, oh my God.

Do you think the prime minister was a theater. Because this is kind of giving theater kid energy. It is big time theater kid energy. Great. At the end of the show, you all hold hands. You raise your hands up and you bow together. And then they got to say up to the crew, down to the pit. Thanks everyone for coming.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I did not. I don't know if India has the same play cultural mechanics. that we do. So this may just simply be... They're pretty timeless.

We are all... No, I don't know if it's timeless. We're all going to... We're all trying to shape the future together. Everyone hold hands in unison is how I read that, not as a theater kid ends a show. I like Bash's interpretation better. Yeah.

And then they're the two kids that were in the crew that were mad at each other because they both didn't get head crew member because they don't play nice with others. And they're like, I deserve that spot. I wish it. have been manning the spotlights. Wait, what was the song of Michael Jackson, where they all hold hands?

Like, it's like, heal the world or something? Beat it. Or we are the world? No, no, no. It's not beat. I know what it is. It's, I know. It's the black or white.

It's black or white. No. It's like a song where everyone has a part in it, and they all sing like their own section. Ebony and Ivory. Isn't it like, heal the world? Isn't it like something in the world?

Someone in chat knows. It's like, we are children. We're not allowed to like Michael Jackson. Oh, we are the world. That was right. We are the world. this is like the modern day we are the world but for yeah and then they didn't hold hands and then no one oh you don't want to you don't want to like solve salvation okay can you play it out

in real time too to get a feel for how long they're standing there at the end because it's a long time where they're both just going like this yes hold on and i love that let me get let me get it back i love that at the end yeah they start touching forearms so weird you they are that's honestly they're literally just rubbing forearms together dude you think trash so they're go. We're multiple seconds in at this point. Oh, but I do like this right here. Hold on. I'm going to slow it down. Dario still has not done it. Sam's cheering by himself, but Dario still has his hand down. There you go. Oh, they just hit shoulders. And then they stand here at least for another

five seconds for photos. And then my video cuts off, but they continue to stand there for photos. Yeah. I love that. Okay. I will say Dario has his hand aggressively down. See, that's kind of what I was saying. It kind of looked like number one. they're probably surprised because I'm sure their PR teams would have told them you guys have to hold hands or not stand next to each other. Like if you can't play nice, don't play at all situation here. But so they're surprised. It looks to me like Sam is trying to figure out how to hold Dario's hand and Dario's like, I'll sue you. I will say that you're trying to distill our models.

Okay. You are trying to osmosis steal my energy, you demon. It is. Yeah, Dario was working for Open AI at one point. he left over safety concerns and now he runs Anthropic which is kind of surprised just get rid of their safety stuff

then they just like water down their safety policies which is very very funny because Open AI watered down their safety stuff not too long ago and now Anthropic just got done watering down theirs All right you know what I didn't know that Lord I'm team Dario

What your team Dario Wait how did that How did that work with Jari Oh. Like nobody likes Sam. Everybody hates Dario. Oh, is he worse?

Oh, well. Oh, sorry, guys. I'm under a rock. Okay, this is the first time I've ever heard of Dario. I don't know who he is. I'm team open code. There we go. That's what I got.

They're actually, believe it or not, not competitors. I'm just saying, I'm just talking about AI, people with AI monies right now. Okay. Okay. Got it. I'm going to come over a model. I'm calling it, prediction. Did you are you going to explain to best?

hash the thing so you look like you were getting ready to explain. Oh, sure. Well, sort of, I mean, we've talked about this a few times. So sorry chat and our audience if you're bored of us saying this. But in general, I always get the vibes from Anthropic that they really want to be my dad. I already have a dad who actually loves me and wants the best for me. I don't need Dario thinking that he knows what's best for me. So I'm not a fan of them because it always feels like as soon as they get one step ahead, they'll pull the ladder up as fast so they possibly can lock everyone else out and make sure that they're the only people allowed to make AI because they know best. Oh, true. They did that. And I don't, that's, I'm not in, if we're going to have AI, I would rather

have, like, competing models or, like, open models or some other stuff where they're trying to serve me the best that they can to get all my money as opposed to thinking that they're my dad. I don't like that very much. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. And every interview I see with Dario, he, just gives me that feel of like, well, I know better than, well, it's more like, well, I know better than everyone. I feel like I've kind of concluded. I don't want to be in a room with any of these AI C. That's probably the best take. That's smart. That's smart. So I don't, I don't watch any of their interviews or follow any of their stuff on Twitter. I like, I like, I like mute it. You know, I'm like, good. I got punched the monkey on my timeline. I'm, I'm living peacefully. Yeah, me too. Punch the monkey,

baby. Let's go. poor poor little guy dude he got he was getting hugged now now he has best friends uh by the way someone just said uh anthropicroic bros are what clavlikier covlicer or what covlicular would have been if he would have got Harvard cavicular cavicular covicular cavicular so close

you're still not there bro or not Anthropic bro is what looks maxing bro would have been if he would have went to Harvard very very funny Josh put me in a put me in a Sigma Chad face and do an edit quick All right. Also, by the way, I don't know if you guys know this,

but this also feels like a Silicon Valley episode. Does anyone remember the son of Antoine from Silicon Valley? I did not get the video, so I'm very sorry because I thought I'd get DMCA'd, so I just have to describe it as opposed to playing it on the show. But the son of Antoine is the AI machine that Gilfoil creates. And Gilfoyle in one of the later episodes tells it to clean up the code base and ensure that there's no bugs.

So it deletes all the code from the, from the repo, because that, of course, would be the safest way to have no bugs, is no code at all. And then right afterwards, it orders 4,000 pounds of hamburger because it wanted to find a cheap way to have lunch for everybody.

That's so good. It's ahead of its time. It's ahead of its time. Like, this is where we're going in real time watching OpenClaugh happen. But it was actually son of Antoine this whole time. Unbelievable prediction honestly. Best character. Honestly, it kind of goaded move.

I would do that. Yeah. Sounds like the move. Yeah, delete the code base. Delete the code base. And order me. We're still on the hamburgers, man. 4,000 pounds of meat.

Let's go. Yeah. It's a good day. Community BDQ, we can hold hands. What's the term for when you unwrap and you get like the Pokemon card you want? You get a hit. Yeah, dude. It's a good hit right there.

That's a good hit. Oh, trash, thank you. Anything good? No, there's nothing good. This is my trash stack right now. Trash, unbogg's going to give us a fresh deck. Trash, rip something right now. You can expense it.

You can expense it because it's on stream. Oh my God, wait, you have, that is very, you have packs waiting when you need a hit, huh? We got, we got Pokemon, 30-day anniversary, whatever. Let's go. You guys want to do this. I've always wanted to do this. This is exciting for me. Yeah, I think you on the big screen

There we go I think he's got a whole case If I go If I do this We'll we make trash big Is he making big free? I've already ripped like 200 packs of these Let's go

There we go Nice trash I gotta do it like the YouTube video people Yeah please do Do it Okay hold on You start with an energy We need an energy

Whack Wack Wack So here comes the good stuff It's coming soon Ooh wait Those are nice. I got absolutely nothing.

Hit another pack. Hit another pack. Hit another pack. One more. One more. One more. One more. One more.

One more. One more. Trash, I'm going for this Charzard. We're going for a Charzard. We've got a manifest. We got a manifest Charzard. This is the one, bro. This is the one.

It's like a $600 card. Okay. You guys ready? Okay. Everyone get their pog faces ready. Okay. Everybody. Let's go.

It's good start. It's fire energy. It starts off with the common cards. This is fine. I already have this whole set. You got a term. though. No, it was before.

Wait, that was sick. Wait. I think my July one that's good. Bro, open another one. Open another one. What's even going to do? My last one. We're finishing the box.

We can't know which one. The last one is. All right. This is it. Last one. Last one. Last one. Last one. Last one. Last one. what's off another. He's been waiting.

We have to. Here we go. Okay. Charzard. Manifest Charzard. Manifest charzard. Manifest it. Manifest it.

Manifest it. Or we'll manifest it. It's fine, too, bash. It's in the next one. It's in the next one. Dude, look at my office. It's just completely gross. Is this what that feels like?

My office is in shambles. Look at this. Terrible. This is what vibe coding an app to retaliate to your wife for her leaving dishes in the sink leaves a man, okay? Yeah. All right. That was beautiful.

Thank you for letting me do that. Is this normally how your podcast goes? No. Pretty much. Maybe. We have one last item and this one's very special. Are you guys ready for this one? Yes, very ready.

All right. So I'm going to give a little bit of a backstory. So everybody feels prepared and is really, really, really ready. I'm going to, I don't think I can full screen this, TJ because it's probably going to cut out all audio, but we're going to try. Okay. We'll see what happens. All right.

So, I would like to present to you guys this right here. So have you ever played that game where someone hands you a presentation? Well, this just happened to me right now. And so, and it's a PDF. So I'm not even sure how to, like, go to the next page. So with that in mind, I would like to tell you a little bit about Cluey. Okay? So for those that don't know Cluelly, about six months ago, Roy Lee became famous.

because he was the one who cheated during an Amazon interview, recorded it and sent it out to everybody. He created this thing called Cluley in which was an overlay. So when someone said, hey, could you implement this? He could literally take that, put it in there, see a step by step of how to do it, and then he would write in the editor and be like,

well, this actually, this seems like, you know, N squared, but I think it could be more, you know, just reading from the script, right? One step at a time. Okay. So that's kind of like the backstory on Cluley. afterwards they got $15 million I believe from uh is it a 16 Z or Y combinator do you remember TJ?

Pretty sure I have no idea okay it doesn't anyways doesn't really matter they received a bunch of money don't wait for him he's out a 16 Z a 16 Z okay uh all right anyways so they got a bunch of money and now they had a article written about them kind of where they have come to since then and the article is is the most insane thing we have ever read, potentially produced about somebody in tech I've like ever on the internet. This is a, it's a straight up a hit piece.

It is a hit piece. It is. Where was this at? It is both honest, nasty and potentially lying. I have like, I don't know where it is in a scale. And so we figured we would use the phrases from the article and play a little game. Effectively true truths and a lie.

But I think Began does not know what that means. And so he has like four options sometimes. And I don't know how many of them are. lies like it's vegan so we're just gonna we're gonna play game and i don't know if green means a lie or that's the only one that's true he just did his own thing and we're gonna have to figure it out together okay and to be clear there's no instructions along the way either so you may get spoiled on some of them that's okay we'll get your raw takes anyways yep all right so cheat on everything so dating at cluelie so here's a fun fact cluelie employees are encouraged to date a lot

they can put it all on the expenses so they can actually expense dating yeah what does cluelly do nobody knows it's a note it's like a note taking app i think now no it is not no they've like transformed oh no it is you know now it's a note taking app you're right it was cheat on everything and now it's

we'll help you take notes in meetings i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure it's like it's it's it's attempting to be open claw just without the success like that's i think what the goal was was like to actually have like an assistant that does everything for you that gets all the stuff out and then you can you know be smarter faster and all that kind of stuff yeah something like that's from them we have a pull-up bar and we go to the gym and we talk about dating because nothing motivates people more than getting laid

it's insightful that's yeah that's deep the deep the better you look the better you are as an entrepreneur it's all connected and beauty is everything a lot of ugly men are just losers the point of looking good is that society will reward you for that i think i've spoken to people that actually like i've spoken to this person before and they're the worst you're saying this guy in real life or you're just saying no like someone that it did exactly like this the carbon copy of this just gassing themselves up all the time I'm like wait hello okay well maybe he just really I'm just picturing milky saying these things to me I think I've heard this before all right three great aims in life to hang out with friends to do something meaningful and to go on lots of

dates I want this to be clear before we go any further these are all direct quotes from articles when we say they're a direct quote. They're all from one article. He had one interview and he said all these things to one person. Okay, so just wanted to be cleared to set up the context. Yes. One of those were a lie, right?

Those were all those were true. Those were setting up the context so you understand how important dating is at Clue. Oh, I thought the game started already. That's all. The game has started. Welcome to the game. Here's the game. How often is Roy Lee going on dates?

So this looks like it's going to be three lies in a truth. Biggin really got this one wrong. but anyway. This one is just to pick one. Yeah. It's a multiple choice. All right. So three times a day, every day, five times a week, every two weeks.

I'm going with five times a week. Bash? TJ, you go first. I already know the answer. Oh. I'm going to say, I'm going to say every day. Okay. Trash?

I'm going with three times a day because he's an SF, right? He is on, he is on. He is an SF. He's like two women in SF. There's actually saying. It's a repeat. Exposed all of them. She said here's all the women.

It's going to date's a woman. So here's the, I guess the question is, how did you guys come up with those numbers? Well, it says note. He is stoked on the answer. I was going to say every two weeks, but then it's like this is so much of what he

orients his world around. And I'm like, surely it's more than two weeks. And then five times a week, I feel like is, I mean, it's a decent amount, but at the same time, it's like, okay, well, if he's stoked, I don't know if you're really bragging about five times a week. That just seems like a lot of dates. Five a week is a lot of dates. Well, there's seven days a week, so there's two days. You can have a girlfriend.

You see, you just go for dinner with her every, like every night after work, you know. That's five dates a week. I think it's definitely three times a day because he's like a viral kind of dude. So he's definitely like trying to match that. our new date every day. When's he working? He's using Culele to organize the meetings through Open Claw, probably. Open Claw.

All right. Are you guys ready for the answer? Three times of a day. Three times a day. Let's go. Oh. I can't even see what that says because you're blocking you're weeks. No.

Way. Let me try to orient myself a little bit better. I don't know how to orient myself better. Okay, guys. That's a little disappointing. Get a girlfriend. You'll see her more than every two weeks, no? You have something to automate your life.

the fucking problem. Bastas just mugged the poor kid. That's disappointing based on all those quotes on the slide beforehand. That's kind of crazy. That is crazy for like, basically the whole ethos of this company is like, oh, you should date more.

It's all about getting late. And it's like brothers going out every two weeks with probably someone new, because you can't have a girlfriend only see her every couple weeks. Right. We'll keep on going on. Dagger's to the heart.

All right, the Cluley office. Everything was great. I do remember this part of the article because my wife hates. Trash. How did you miss read it? I was like, wow. All right. But seriously, Trash, how would you misread that?

Like, what else is going to be? Read the next quote. Prime. Read the next quote, please. Their office is no longer in San Francisco, having been essentially chased out of the city by the planning commission. I'm a big believer in Minutes. minimalism. Actually, no, I'm not. Not at all. I just don't really care about interior decoration. Roy Lee. Those are all three real quotes to give you a setup for this next section, which is

Cluelly Office Life. In the Cluelly Office, Labubus, Lint Rollers, Core Power Elite Protein, pens, sex toys, anime figurines. Someone say the last two are synonymous, but we'll just keep on going. How many do we, wait, are these actually all things in the office? You need to guess which ones of those are real. We're not going to tell you how many or how few. So what, oh. It could be, it could be only one of them's true, maybe. I don't know.

Maybe all of them are. Can we say all of the above? You can trash. You can say what, trash. It's, it's choose your own adventure. Okay. This is trash or bash. So this is, it's a new segment, trash or bash.

I'll start my answer. Okay. Protein. Yep. Anime figurines. Okay. And pens. Okay.

Interesting. Okay. I'm going to say Labuboos because girls are high on the list and those are viral on TikTok. The girls want to see the loboos. Insightful. Very insightful, bash. I'm going to say core power elite protein because protein drinks are great. I don't think pens.

I don't think these men's writing anything down. Good point. Okay. They clearly are dog-fitting their app if they have pens, you know. Great. True. Yeah, that's too much. That's less vibes.

Mm-hmm. I'm going to say lint rollers. They might have a dog or cat so they can pose with them on their Tinder profile. Oh. Genius. Strategy, Bash. They should hire you.

I'm a strategist. I feel like it's all the above, but let's just go on. Let's roll. Tres, we need a final answer, bro. Yeah. That was my final?

No, I already gave my answer. Okay, all right. Okay, okay. I'm just saying. And Bash, yours is Labibu's Lint Roller's protein and that's it. Well, it's there, how many are we supposed to choose? You get as many as you're as little as you want.

Oh. Um, okay, I'll add anime figurines as well. You guys are both wrong. It's everything. Every. See, that was the, that was the, that's crazy. I was trying to give you a chance, bro. I know.

I know. I know. Yeah. I knew it. I knew it. Boo boos would be there. I know, but how come nobody's addressing the elephant. in the room, the sex toys.

Why is no one like, that's kind of strange to have in an office? I'm going to guess they have no female employees. Well, I think they do. That's crazy. They have actually quite a few, bash. They have no HR. That I think is. Oh, they definitely don't have HR.

Roy is the HR. All right, Cluelly costumes. A significant part of working at Cluelly seems to involve dressing up as a cartoon characters for viral videos. Oh, they're frees. That's sick. Cluley costumes. Sonic the Hedgehog,

Olaf from Frozen, Steve from Minecraft, or Pikachu. This is a Find the lie. Only one of these is not true. I'm glad Beacon gave us the instructions for this

because I would have had no idea. Okay. One of these is not true. Because the PDF was here earlier. One of them is not true. I feel like Sonic is too old for them. They're all like 15. There's a new Sonic movie coming out.

Yeah. Plus there's a lot of Sonic movies and they also probably run high with autism. Quick test for people in the chat. What's Sonic's girlfriend's name? Second, if you knew the answer, you're autistic. Boom, got them. Boom, check me.

Hey, TJ, I kid you not. I was at one of my daughter's, like, friends' birthdays. And I picked up a mask and it was Amy's mask. And I was just like, oh, who's this? And the mom said, that's Amy. I said, oh, you have autism. And she's like, what? According to the internet, if you know who this is, you have autism.

She's like, well, you know, I think I might actually have it. So far, everyone we've tested that theory on, 100% correct. So just throwing it out there. I'm glad I'm not autistic, sweet. Yeah, you're safe, trash. All right, what is the answer? I think it's Olaf from Frozen because it's too young of a demographic. Steve from Minecraft is big and smash.

Sonic the Hedgehog. There's a new movie coming out with Sonic. Pikachu also kind of relevant because it's Pokemon. I'm going with Sonic. All right. So we have two. We have Sonic and Olaf. Steve from Minecraft is in fact

not one of the dress-ups. Oh, that's messed up. They don't. They don't play games. It's the only one that's a person. I feel like this one should have been pretty obvious. All right. What?

I'm gonna, if there's another one, I'm playing with you, because I actually don't know. All right, childhood hobbies of Roy, reselling Pokemon cards, Brazilian JiuJitsu, or Ches Club now. Bro is like me for real. Bro is just like me for real. I don't remember if this is due truth and I don't remember if this is true or a lie. I'm going to go

work at Calhululi. We're best friends. I'll see you all later. TJ, is there any possibility you could look forward to tell us the point of this game? I, well, okay, I didn't realize you hadn't read it at all. I have to go back and I'll find it from I'll find it from vegan and then I'll be able to answer. I stopped reading it halfway through because I said there's no way I could do this on stream. It's insane.

Like, Trash, are you good at chess? Okay. I used to be a chess club when I was like young. Okay, so prime. Suck at a nail. This is two, this is two lies and a truth. Vegan is incapable of doing it. I asked it for just two lies and a lie because it's super understandable and the game is super easy.

Okay. So two lies and a truth. Which one is true? I'm personally going to go with Chess Club. Wait, where did he share? I'm going with the Pokemon cards. Yes, everything is directly pulled from quotes in this interview, which will link in the description of this video.

Hmm. I got Pokemon cards. I also think Pokemon cards. But for the plot, I can say J-Jitsu. Survey says. Survey says. Survey says. Reselling Pokemon cards.

Let's go. Oh. Trash, we put that in for you. Yeah. I was going to say, I don't think that, I don't think he would have brought up chess club in, in an interview. I think it just would have been like some allure from his childhood.

Brian, did you go, did you go to slides? He just showed all the answers. No. Okay. Began sent you a broken PDF. I have one where it doesn't have the answers. That's fine. Well, that's okay.

Okay, well, we're going to just read some quotes from Cluley. I'd say about 80% of the time people do not like me. He did say that. Honestly fair. Respect. I knew since the moment I gained consciousness that I would start a company one day. I do not obtain value from reading books. I only know of one other person that has ever made that bold claim.

I relish challenges where you have fast iteration cycles and you can see the rewards very quickly. I love that. That second quote. It's backwards. Begins set them backwards. All right. So this is four answers and the question.

So what is the question? What game will we be playing at this point? All right, Bash, go. All right, what score? I think the trash is the only one that got something right this whole game. I like to ask what we score.

Gordon would even know what game we were playing. What did you score? I also love that it's in a PDF. Like, what did you score? Write it down here. It looks like I'm supposed to fill out the rest of the page. I'm trying to figure out like, what was Began's mindset? When he sets it over, he's like, I'm seeing you guys the game over right now. It's going to be so sick.

I asked him. I asked him this morning. I said, hey Began, does Prime have the stuff to do the clueling thing? He replies, yeah. I sent him PDF. I sent him PDF. I was like, I thought it was going to be a website. Can we make this into an actual card game or something?

That would be funny. If only there was like a consistent set of rules, such as two truths and they lie. Oh, man. That was the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life. That was awesome. Okay, well, we'll try a revamped version of that sometime in the future. I think I understand that I have to make the. games. Or I'll make

the game and then you can be surprised. I like having you be surprised as well. Okay, yeah. Well, I mean, ideally for this game, it's going to be Bash versus Trash. Actually, I'm going to vibe code in a very sweet animation for this, okay? Trash, you're going to get a really stupid picture. Bash, you can give me whatever picture you'd like. And we'll

do a little versus and you guys have to do a little bit. Trash, send us one with the... Yeah, dude, do it. Everybody said to you right now. No, not right now. Oh, I thought you're vibing it right now. I thought that was the point. Honestly, we could have probably uploaded that PDF to chat,

GPDs, make a website for me, one static Hsumel page. That's what I said in the beginning. You guys are like, you're new at vibe, Cody. Yeah, you don't know anything about it. All right. Well, that's all we've got. That's literally all we've got. There wasn't a great ending to this.

What are you talking about? It's hilarious. It was great. Trash, any blockers? No, other than the emotions I feel after I do. Get any hits from those three packs. Can we open one more? No, that's enough.

There's always one more, and that's how you know you have a problem. Good point. We'll send you some, trash. I believe it when I see it, be it and you owe me. That's true. I've been trying to get him to send you something for three months. He's going to send me a PDF of some cards. He's going to send you a PDF of a page.

Make your own, make your own Pokemon cards fill out the rest. Would you score? Oh, man. Like, have you seen those, like, on YouTube videos where the kids can, like, watch something? They do, like, uh, they call, like, brain drains or something. And they just, like, it's like a random, like, shows, like, Disney characters of, like, stock footage. And it's, like, answer the question. Which character is this?

And it's, like, some, like, oh, anyways, I'll show you guys later. But that's what this game reminded me of. Just very low, low polished. Thanks, Josh. That's what I was kidding. PBS are known for polish. Yeah. We're innovating here.

No one is vibe coding PDFs like us, okay? All right. Adobe, acquire this podcast ASAP. We could be the leading Adobe influencers out there, okay? True. You don't have any Adobe influencers. You could have some. Right now.

You could have some. Yeah. So, all right, let's end the episode. Okay, by the name of this cat, healthy, and I named my other cat sick or sickie, because this one just wasn't sick for the first two weeks of his life, and the other one was. And so that's why I have my names for my cat.

They look identical, though. Anyways, thought I'd just throw that out there. Pretty fun fact. Fun fact of the day. They'll probably die due to a car here in the next couple of weeks anyway. So we don't really need to know him. All right, love you. Bye-bye.

Okay, never mind. Bye. Thanks for having you. Good up the day Vibe Errors on my screen Terminal coffee