The Standup with ThePrimeagen - How We Got Our First Dev Job (Lost Episode)

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

We’re taking a trip down memory lane to discuss the milestone every developer remembers: landing that very first job. Whether it was through a standard application, a side project gone right, or just being in the right place at the right time, we break down our individual paths into the industry. We dive into the realities of the early dev grind, the skills that actually mattered vs. what we thought mattered, and how the landscape has shifted since we started. If you’re currently looking for your first role or just love a good origin story, this one's for you.

Dude, it's funny because when I get like, and we do actually do real standups at work, or we have like, what do you mean real standups? Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're on another podcast? Yeah, that's offensive. That there's another podcast called The Standup.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I saw it. Hey, guys, it's Teeth from the Future here. A little bit of context. We were in L.A. at The Lighthouse, and we got to film an in-person stand-up together. Really hope you enjoy this. We're going to catch up N Media Res, as they say in the biz,

on Trash saying how he got his first job. working on mainframes. Hope you enjoy this and hope you learn something about getting your first job or the next job in tech. Thanks everybody. Don't forget to like and subscribe. See ya. Seriously like I'll be like in these conversations where like everyone's given input and they look at me like I'm like the intern because I look young. I looked younger at the time. They're like, who are you? I'm like bro. I've been doing this for like 10 plus years. What are you like? Are you just gradually? Are you sure because of how you look or like you're not sure it's not your coach? That is other things that make you appear junior. Real quick though guys,

Even if you were 40, if you started programming day one, mainframes weren't that hot 40 years ago still. Well, all the companies that use mainframes, they're not changing their tech stack. So, he's got a job. So what were you literally writing? For what company, can you say? He won't even, he doesn't have a language. It was like this. He's such making this online.

Yeah, what's the language? Pitch cards. We were using punch cards. Micro hard. It was, um, they sold like gear for for like cranes and heavy industry stuff. This sounds made up. Why would you need a mainframe for selling cranes? I don't know, but I was writing RPG.

I did some Colbaal, some Hortran. I've played those kind of games before, dude. You wouldn't understand. You're too young. Skyron. No, I did some Colba. I did Fortran. There's this other language called Lanzah.

That was for like web development. I was not a sense about that. Dude, check this out. We actually had a person come in once a week to grab our tapes because we backed everything up to a tape. So we had to learn how to do backups to a tape, put them in a vault. So I'm going to come and pick them up. A vault. Wait, see, what do you mean?

like a guy like in an armored like literally a guy like an armored car would come and collect our backup so this is like get before it there's like financial data all this stuff like our old like CRM like support staff they all used what we coded you put support staff on a it was green screen programming so like when you went to McDonald's like probably 15 years ago that's not making it any easier screen programming so I have a green screen he's saying it's it's green screen okay it's okay so check this out so this is how I got the job so when I graduate at the time I can't remember the year, but there's a huge hiring freeze. No one was getting jobs in tech, actually. It was kind of relatable to next. Yeah. So you got hired this year? Yeah. Just listen to me. I found this job

on Craigslist. It literally just said programming. It literally just said programming on Craigslist. Is it programming dash 8 slash hour? I think it was actually programmer one, space one, because it's like the level. Yeah. And I just like hail married because all my other friends, they all were getting jobs. You graduated with a software like development? No. What did you graduate? You don't remember your major? I graduated so long. No, no. Business administration,

with information systems? I think it was like a focus, and you could focus on different tracks, and I focused on databases. And then in high school, I was in the Oracle SQL Academy. In high school, I was in the Oracle Club.

I mean, it was basically that. But, yeah, so. It's like chess club. Pretty cool. You want to. I don't understand. We actually won regional. I was wearing an SQL and you guys are just like...

So how did this work? You went on Craig's list for whatever reason and you found a job. Programmer 1, clicked it, just apply. I don't remember what it said. How do you apply? Do you have to do like a public post? How does Craig? I don't even remember.

There was probably like a phone number or an email. I think you just sent an email. Or was this before email, fax? Yeah, faxed it. And they had a pager number and I beat them. 911 needed a job. Beat three times to apply. No, but check this out.

So I go in and the whole interview was on paper there's three questions like here's a standard size piece of paper yeah three and I had to write like an if statement before loop and then like some other thing and then like yeah it was I can't they literally just like this job was just like it was the most random job ever like I don't even know like like the fact that I found it got hired was just like a miracle like honestly it was just like it just felt like someone made it up like you guys are saying it kind of just feels like it was made up but it's just like how why got started. This explains so much about Disney Plus and Netflix and Hulu.

Everyplace Trash has worked. Dude, man. And so the people that I used to work with, they still work there. And at Netflix? Oh, was that Hulu before Netflix? And Disney? Well, Disney bought Hulu. And then when I came back from like, paternity leave, it was like a full Disney takeover at that point.

And then I merged with another Disney team. And I was like, I'm out of you. That's what I'm saying he's worked at like, he's worked at all of them. I'm going to go to Max next, HBO. That's smart. Did you guys hear that? What about Amazon Prime? I'm never going

Hey Trash's boss Did you hear that? Did you hear that? What did I say? What did I say? What I said? I'm going to max. Oh, no.

I'll just say, have you checked out Toby? I think that might match your skills. Oh yeah, quite well. There's some good stuff over there. I don't know if that was an insult to trash or not because I've never watched 2B. I don't know what's hard.

I hear it's okay. I hear it's okay. No, but seriously like getting that job was just was just crazy. So I'm going to go like one step further just to the next job. So when I was, but before I graduated, IBM came and, interviewed a bunch of the seniors.

Yep. So I was supposed to go to IBM out of college from those interviews, but they did the hiring freeze. And I was like, so I was banking on IBM. I was like, man, what the heck? So that's how I came to this job. And then get this, like, check this out. Like a year later, IBM was like, randomly emails me.

I was like, the hiring freeze is over. We're actually hiring me. We want you to potentially come back, but you have to take like a math test and all these weird tests. A math test. Yeah. So I remember how to do like some math. No, I'm being serious.

Like they give you like an hour long test of like it's almost like an Ikea What of math did you have to do? Hit me with some... Probably like pre-cal at the hardest. Pre-calc is pretty hard. I don't remember pre-Cal, but... But to me, at the time, I was pretty good at math, but now I don't even know algebra at this point.

Dude, but I'm confused though, because after you're done, isn't it post-calc or no? Shut up. No, but check out. So it was like an Ikeem test. You had to do shapes. You had to, like, finish, like, these patterns and all this stuff mixed in with math,

and then you only had an hour, and I remember I was just sitting in my kitchen, just, like, sweating my ass off. Wait, you have... Yeah, I got the same question. How are you taking it for an hour, but it's at home? Yeah. It's just the online test.

Oh, okay. It's just the on paper. I thought it was on paper. No, like I'm not going to like a facility like I'm taking SAT or whatever. It's just the online test. I work on mainframes and Oracle. We're assuming paper. Yeah.

But at this, but at the time like the internet wasn't really like, there's no AI. It's you can't really cheat like you can today. A guy's no around the 80s before the internet. Yeah. Before the internet. Do you know like Looney Tunes had self-driving stuff because they thought the AI is going to come and do it all that for us. True. All right.

So, Trash, what's our takeaway for getting your first job now? Yeah, your advice was terrible. Go on Craigslist. Oh, was I supposed to give up? I thought I was just talking about how I got my first job. This is practical advice. That's good. That's what I'm saying.

So then I'm saying, what's the takeaway? What can we learn from this? Takeaway is when there's a hiring freeze, honestly, it's kind of luck, to be honest. If I'm being, if I'm being. That's not what it sounds like at all. It sounds like you were grinding on a bunch of rain of places to find out. My actual first job was literally, like I said, it was like a miracle. Stars aligned.

It happened. IBM happened because. I actually, you know, contrary to belief, I'm kind of smart. So. A lot of contrary there. I believe kind of smart. Yeah. But, no, but really, like, I think like. I believe kind of.

Yeah. I believe kind of. Yeah. But, like, actual advice, like, especially now, because it was kind of like not as bad as it is, what, 2008, 9, I can't remember. But, like, ultimately it just came up to, like, not giving up and just, like, actually believing in yourself to get jobs. Like, I wasn't, like, the best programmer.

I clicked on a programming. Your advice is Go on Craigslist. Be smart. Believe in yourself. Guys, you all have jobs now. That is it. Hey, man.

I need a T-shirt with the step-by-step guy. Well, my real advice was, my real advice was Godspeed. It's happening in your mic or fuck. I don't even know, man. My mic came off. He's sweaty. Dude, I'm so hot in this chair.

Like, it's like my back is just, opening Craigslist. Now, Craigslist is about to get like a bunch more. Craigslist. Does Craigslist still exist? It does still. First of all, it still exists. It's still 16 employees.

Still killing it. Yeah. I don't know how many employees they actually have, but 16 is a good guess. That is a good guess. I like that. Every time they need someone else, they just apparently list on Craigslist. It's easy. Programmer one.

Dude, I don't want a CST3. I know how to write an if statement. And I was like, Yolo, let's go to this interview. I can't believe you had an interview where you had to write an if statement on paper. Yeah, and a four loop. I don't even remember the language. I don't even think there was like, I think I could just like, whatever I wanted.

I did like C++ in college. I think I did like C++ plus. And from that one piece of paper, Python was invented. Oh, no. Honestly, yeah. Oh, no. Whether you are a vibe coder or an artisanally free-range NeoVim user, you still need CI to build your binaries,

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at a much lower price. Blacksmith, twice the speed and half the cost. Check them out at blacksmith.sh. And now back to the stand-up. All right, Began, what about you? Because you have a fun transition into tech. Yeah, I came into tech pretty late when I was like 25, 24, 25.

The only thing is I will not tell what my first job is in tech because I will get kicked off. podcast again for six months. Is it because of the one with my uncle? No. It's not actually my uncle. I will say this. If we launch a Patreon-only podcast, I will tell the story of my first one, but I will not do it on a public camera because it is a little sketchy. Everyone gets in the industry their own way. My first job at a

company that was like actual other programmers, not selling illegal things on the internet, I just went to Portland, Oregon, and I literally, and if anyone is in Oregon like a decade ago, they might even know me. I went to every meetup. I went to JavaScript. Ruby DevOps. There's like a scrum manager meeting. I'm like, what's up, gosh,

you see. I have a scrum master. I won't see what you guys are doing. I literally, I'm not, I think I went to like three or four meetups a week. And then anyone who was working on anything, I had no friends at the time. I go, what are you guys working on?

Can I help? And then I would go home and just do as much of their project as I can. Like, look what I did. I helped. I helped. I helped. I made it responsive or this to that. And then I made friends that way.

Okay. Okay. It's actually a good strategy. It's a really good strategy. Yes. And then I kept going to all the meetups again and again and again week over week. And eventually some people were like, hey, you're kind of okay. Do you want to come in for lunch and meet some of the other coworkers?

And I meet some of the coworkers. And then finally was like, maybe you could be a junior dip. We're hiring some junior dev. We already kind of know you. We see you at the meetups. And I was like, yeah, I'm out there. And then no joke, the first real job I got was applying to a ton of tech job. I want a one so bad.

The first one I really got, the guys were like, okay, so what did you go to school for? I'm like, jazz. That's not a joke. That's actually a really good. good answer. That's a good answer. All jazz. So I went there and they go, for real,

well, look there. There's a double pace in the quarter. I play jazz. Other guy. I play sax. And so they said, great, we have a guitar here. And I played, if you guys play jazz, I played rhythm changes.

They had me actually go through rhythm changes, which is like, you know, I've got rhythm, I've got music. If you don't know that song, I need more to know. If you don't know that song, I want to know this. There's one million variations of it

or a bunch of jazz songs. It's like a standard. You have to play. So they literally were like, let's hear you play. and they were like, you are rusty at jazz. It was bad, honestly. And they were like, hopefully your programming is better.

They saw that and they go, also a little rusty at that. But they said, we'll give it. They literally like, you're a jazz dude. We'll give you, we'll give you a chance. We'll risk it. And I slept in the office for those first three months. Oh, okay.

You George Costanza? And then they said, stop sleeping in the office. Like, you're not even getting work done. It just smells worse in here. You're just giving off bad vibes now at this point. I know it doesn't work for everyone because I moved to Portland, Oregon

to be like, I'm going to get a job in Ruby. I'm going to go to all the Ruby meets the JavaScript meetups. And I just, were you DHS fan at that point? Oh, he's my hero. I used to read DHS's book back then. Well, every piece of advice from DHS's book, he wrote with his, uh, co-founder Jason Freed.

Exactly, Jason Freed. Every piece of advice in that book, I followed to a T. I remember, it's like, chapter four, act like a drug dealer. And I was like, done, let's do that. I've been doing that. He hasn't stopped if you're wondering. Give him a little taste of some free code. And then you say, I got more when that came from.

But it's going to cost you. It's going to cost you. No, I was reading his book obsessively over and over again, listening to every advice, underwhelmed the competition. I haven't read this book in like 70. What does it mean underwhelm the competition? So everyone's trying to do better for the competition? Lame, do less. Boom.

What does that mean? We'll have to ask him. What is that mean? You are friends with D.H. We can ask him. We can ask him. We can call him. We'll have him come back on and you can quiz him about the book and see how much you remember.

Ooh, D. D.H. Can he remember his own book? Yeah. What's rule number four? Yeah, yeah, exactly. No, no, I think the underwhelmed thing is, like, everyone's like, I'm going to do this crazy, insane, intense, perfect. And everyone's like, we don't like any of this.

And you spend an hour, like, years perfecting it. You go, okay, here's something that's kind of like not that good, but it's a good idea. It goes, let's work on that. It's like how in notion, for some reason, they have, like, the AI search being the top thing. Instead of just being like, I want, I want to type in the name of the thing and go to that page. That's underwhelming the competition, right? It's like less bells and whistles, more just, like, straight to the point. Okay, this makes more sense.

Do what they actually like mean instead of, well, one, what they say they want and definitely not what you imagine that they want. What they're actual, I'm actually giving actual practical advice. The other thing I did for every company is in Portland, I would find the job I want to work at. I would know people that work there. I would go on. I would look at whatever their stack is and then I would build websites with that exact stack. It's like you want typescript, Postgres, Redis, and I would go fantastic. Here's my brand new website.

It's a commission of TypeScript Postgres and Redis. And I hooked it up with try and get inside info about their stack and build on it, especially if there's like one thing that's all. Like TypeScript, everyone knows. But if there's one thing where it's like, we also use Kafka or we use what or something, I'm like, okay, be Kafka expert. I'm like, we just need one Kafka guy. He accidentally read like six months of philosophy and stuff. I'm so confused.

You're like, oh my goodness. How is this integrated into their stack? That's what they said. They're a big Kafka place. Also, there is something with Kafka like looking for bugs, turning into a bug. We're going to work on some stuff later around this, okay? We'll work on that for sure. One thing I noticed, like, so you're saying like do like the, do meetups and stuff.

I was going to meetups not too long ago I felt like literally everyone there was just looking for a job like 99% and then maybe one recruiter But mostly you're just sitting in But mostly you're just sitting in person That's a joke, okay? A recruiter walks into a meetup We've all heard that joke. Is it because

Meetups are no longer like a place to go? Like is that what's happened? Is that what we're observing? So now it's just people going there for jobs? But it's still like, okay, so imagine you're going to meetups for a long time, you make friends with other people that are looking for jobs. Some of them are going to get hired someday. True. Right? And so then if, okay, so maybe it sucks.

It takes six months to find the thing. You're applying at a lot of places. But then maybe eventually you run into your buddy who you went to meet us for a year and he's like, bro, I got hired here. Like, oh my goodness you get hired here. I got hired in a group of three juniors. It was we're going to take a risk on you three. We became friends going to a Ruby meetup all the time. And that was it. They were like

cool, we'll risk all three of you. So yeah, I think it's good advice. Was it like if one of you got fired, everyone was getting fired? Oh, I love that. 100%. No, that was, this was the job where it was three, like, I mean, I was the scuronious, those indoor kid of all time. I, this is back in my time my life.

He's still an indoor kid. You're still in a outdoor kid. This was when I was actively saying, okay, I still can walk, but I'm going to transition into a wheelchair early. And I was honestly on this road of like, why would I want to stand ever? I could have a chair every, I'm being so serious. So, what? Dude, why would you need to stand?

What's the point of it? Like, I'm not going to pick any hobbies that I can't do when I'm 70. So I'm not going to do any of these. I'm going to start playing golf. Yeah. That was literally the thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trash, you've ever been like, oh, standing is so much fun. I think it's more convenient. Shut up, this is called a stand-up. If you've been playing up one more time, I'm going to clear. So, when I started, I was, I'm in Portland. It's like, in a real hippie-dippy-dippy. You know, it's how it is. My boss, he hired us, and he literally says, all right, all right, it was me and two other guys.

We're doing yoga on Tuesdays and Thursdays and Thursdays. working out Monday, Wednesday, Friday, everyone gets a bike. And I was like, wait, for real, I'm not a bike person. And they go, you're getting a bike. This is you as a softwomen. And I became a bike person. I became a yoga person. I, I, I, you solved Rubik skews on the way to work on your bike.

Exactly. Exactly. But I got forced by my boss literally says, do it. And I said, well, wait, because you'll be fired. So he's the reason why you have fake teeth. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He's the reason that you thought you got cancer.

Yeah. Exactly. Wait, what? Yeah. Do you want to know the story? No, he doesn't want to be. Yeah, yeah, you gotta tell us story. You can't just say that.

Some of you'll know my lore. I've been hit, I've been in a lot of like accidents. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Tell it the right way. Yeah, I've told this to. No, you know the way that it's funniest. So, so I like to ride around in Portland, Oregon, on my bike a lot. I do not like to follow any of the rules, right?

I do not like to have lights on my, I like to be dressed in all black. I want to blend in. Stop sign, don't know what those are. Zip fast. Those are for cars. Zip fast for the car. And also I'm a big fan of doing Rubik's cubes doing work on my bike. I like to get stuff done.

I'm a multitasker, so I like to solve a cube. This is actually true so far. They get so mad when I do this. These are all things that are true. So in Portland, I'm doing this. I'm biking home, going a million miles an hour. And I just ran a stop sign. And a car was going to the stop, a truck as they were supposed to.

And they teabone me. And I flew into the air. And then a million. As one does. Yeah. As they get a team. And a million Portlanders families surrounded the van and said, we saw you. You hit that guy.

they were against the truck the truck drive because it's Portland right so bikers are all right so he didn't have a stop sign you ran the stop sign it was 1,000% of me a thousand percent so my fault probably probably on my phone cubing and so I got hit they also ran him and then they're like don't let him get away and then they called cops over and I'm like kind of injured you know what I mean they came to find you because you're in all black you're like where you go we're like he's just disintegrated so I was in the middle I was definitely in the middle of the street and then they stopped the guy and then found the cops

go, what happened? They go, oh, I'm an idiot and I ran a stop sign and that truck hit me and the truck driver was like, thank God, oh my God, there's a mob of people. Like the truck driver almost got his license taken away. The mob was going to, they're like... Citizens arrest. It was about to be a citizen's arrest. So then obviously I said, hey cops, my bike got destroyed. It got destroyed. I need to help getting home.

They took me home and everything was good. How fast did he? How fast was he going? It's pretty fat, pretty good. Mostly how fast was he going? Like, how did you go home after this and not for the house? No, no hospital. They put me in the cop car. Those are big and doesn't go to the hospital. He's afraid of the accident.

They don't go to hospitals. Yeah. So, they put my back in the cop car. We go home. I go to bed. Everything's good. The next day, I go to wake up, and I can't walk anymore. Yeah.

So I don't have the ability to walk. I wake up and my legs are bruised this big purple, like, and I cannot walk. And so I'm like, okay, it's fine. I'm a programmer. I'll just work from home from now on. So I work from home from now on. But then over the next couple weeks, I developed ball cancer. So over the next couple weeks, I slowly started having very,

intense pain in my testicles. And so obviously I got on Google and I found out that, oh, I probably have ball cancer. So there was the top result for symptoms. Right? Type of the symptoms? My balls hurt cancer. It's Gigi. But there's a reason why you thought that it was. Speaking, why did you think that it was probably testicular cancer? Well, I looked up and says, okay, my balls hurt where it could be ball cancer. And I said, okay, great, are you wearing tight pants? I'm like, oh, I have tightest pants you've ever seen in your life. As tight as they go in Portland, he got tight. They were sitting tight. So I said, okay, no big deal. I worked from home. So I just will not wear pants for a couple weeks.

So I just stopped wearing pants. Which is pretty good because he thought he had cancer so he quit wearing pants. So I sat, I worked in a robe. That's one natural. I think a robe over a week I was in a rope, but I'm not joking over the week. The pain is getting worse and worse until like I couldn't get out of bed anymore. And so I was assuming probably the laptop on the balls were like causing more cancer. Are they huge?

Were they big? No, they just. No, no. They're getting smaller. No. No, it just, it hurts so. And finally I was like, okay, cool. it's been three weeks I'm going to die of cancer. I might as well go to the doctor.

And so I finally scheduled my first doctor appointment ever, went there. And I said, hi, man, like, you know, my balls really, really hurt. Can you help me out here? I have cancer. I know, I said, hi, I have tested clear cancer. I confirmed it on WebMD. I read all of the things here. I love that you're telling the doctor that you have cancer. Oh, I definitely told him I can't. I have cancer. I just want you to know that. Yeah, he, he, you know, you have to get, if you haven't gone through this trash, they have to fondle you a lot naked to find this out. So he, you get naked and he fumbles your balls. And then he says, how does that feel? And you say, very weird.

and also painful and then he asked the greatest question he says were you in any recent trauma I go yes I was hit by a car he goes did you come to the hospital I go course I didn't and he goes you're an idiot you crushed your penis tube in a bike accident

you have to come to the hospital so it wasn't cancer you no we just thought that it was because he was he's gotten it by a car So that was the last time I went to the doctor. That was a decade ago. A decade ago.

A decade ago. Yeah, that's not the long ago. Yeah, yeah, not the bad. We did every test too. I got the rest of them. I was there. I was there. I was there all day.

I said, more blood. I tried to get that MRI thing, and they were like, you can't get back. What about a cat scan? You get a cat scan? So that's the start of me getting it. Oh, yeah, I got a cat scan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I started in Oregon, where I started getting a major bike accidents, and it continued all the way to L.A. But getting a major bike accident. kidding me. That's an insane story. No, no, no, no, I don't think we're done yet. No, no, back to jobs. Do you have any other practical advice? Okay, okay, okay, so I think a lot of people,

they have a problem where if you are in a city that has a meet-ups, because I always tell people, just do what you do in Portland, Oregon or San Francisco, go to a meet-up every day. You know the meet-ups you have? So, obviously, you don't have that. You got to go online. The problem is when people go online, they go to, like, the town square. They go to Twitter.

Think about going in the middle of New York, like, Times Square, and be like, I'm going to make some friends here. Who wants to be friends? It's like, you're not going to do it, too. They're not good at it either. And it doesn't worry. I'm trying to make friends at Times Square, okay? That naked cowboy, he was nice.

And then he charges you. I'm like, we're viving. No, so like, you have to find, well, I call them like online communities, neighborhoods, online neighborhoods where if you're interacting regularly, you meet someone. So like, recently I was doing like some like a Rustooy stuff, a little rat toooie. And you pop in there like, oh, look at this discord for this. Wow, there's not that many people here. If you just chat here for a month or someone makes some cool project, these people know you.

And then one of them might have a rust job. You're trying to get a rust job and whatnot. So, like, I think people, they immediately go to Twitter and like, hi, I'm a developer. Why is no one seeing me? It's like, you got to pick a smaller online area. And that usually is like GitHub issues for a project, Discord, Slack.

And it can't be like, you do that for one week. And then you're like, hey, guys, where's my job? Yes. It needs to be like, you're just doing cool stuff because you're excited about it and doing them. And then, like, it might be that that one leads you a job. It might not be. But it can't be like this sort of quit.

Pro quo. Like, I'm putting in this time. And I, one of you guys better hire me or I'm going to have a meltdown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You never desperate kills you a lot of times. Also, don't come in too hot. Yeah. I mean, conversations can't be so transactional where like, I'm being your friend because I want a job for me. Yeah, like you have to be like very personable enough.

Perhaps being interested in the technology itself. Exactly. Well, it's best if it's like it's some employable technology and you're passionate about it. So then you're doing something. You can be learning skills and doing all of this other stuff. and then maybe what comes from that is like an offer or a relationship or something else.

It can't just be, I see that NextJS is the thing to get hired for. So I'm going to go hang out on their forums a little and then I'm just going to instantly probably every time someone says something bad about NextJS and I'm going to be the NextJS defender. Dude, it's something as you just remind me the crew that I was, when I got to find this crew to in Portland

I was like all juniors were getting hired for. One of them was like, open source is the key. Watch this. I built and he built a little piece of code that went through GitHub repost, look for spelling mistakes, fixed them. And he's like, I've contributed over 500 repos this month. And it was like, kind of an open source god.

You're only working on just neovim. Oh, okay, I guess you're not really an open source guy. I have over 500 commits on separate project. And it was like, dude, I don't think you're learning anything. He did build the bot, though. That bot is very impressive. Also, I shouldn't tell everyone this, but you guys know that you can just write a script. You can just code and have your GitHub show whatever you want.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, guys, you do not have to actually code every day. You can have it say whatever you like. They have, like, those scripts that make, like, design. Exactly. Don't make it all the stuff. That's when it's cool. You like spell it with dark green and you're like trash.

Yeah, exactly. I don't know if I'm going to do that. Trash, da, because you're out of room. Trash, dad. Trash D. Trash D. Trash D what? I don't get it.

Trash D. Okay. So she should just share it stories. First of all, if you guys don't know, T's one of the few programmers I knew, he was like a D1 recruit. I mean, like, what? You got a Chevy. A D1 recruit?

I can't talk about the freedom. They're going to take away my trophy. Oh, shoot. Oh, sorry, you're not that. You're not a lot of it. Yeah, yeah. This was before they let the NCAA, like, pay college kids, you know. You're like the real deal for all this.

But that's not how I got any of my first jobs. Well, then prove us wrong. Tell us more. He had top offers from every firm, okay? McKinsey? So I got my, I mean, I got my first job out of school working at Epic, Medical Health Records Company. Not four.

Not four a night. I have to say it every time because I know there's some percentage. You worked on Fortnite? Dude, you were early at night? You know what I'm? No, that was when prime was streaming Fortnite and I was not, not there. It's true. I was streaming Fortnite.

No, so the medical health records place. I got there, I mean, like pretty much more or less the normal way. They came to like a job fair at my school. I got in contact with them, did interviews while I was in school. Wait, wait, wait, job fairs are normal? I've never been to one. Yeah, but that's because you didn't go. to anything at school.

You went to jazz school. They don't have job fairs for jazz. I went to job fair all the time. It's called the club. I thought it was going to be, they had Starbucks at my school. They had job fair. They had job fairs at my school.

They were always advertising they needed baristas. Wait, did you go all with job fairs? Yeah. You've been to job fair, trash? No, he got his on Craigsland. But I have been at job fairs like when I was in college. I thought it was a TV thing. I didn't know those were real.

But it was kind of like, have you seen the job fair like in the office? That's what I know the job there's from. Yeah, you kind of just like. Correct the record, TJ. I mean, it can be that. Like, people. I did not go to a great school. So that's probably why her job fair was pretty twilight.

I mean, I went to like, it wasn't, it was not like Ivy League. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was D1. Okay. He was the D1 programmer. He came in. But that's fine. D1 recruit.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. So, I mean, for me it was, I mean, it was basically like the job fair part wasn't that important really about it. It was just like I applied online. and went through the stuff and got hired there. But the more interesting one is when I wanted to get my first remote job.

Because I was just like a random Midwest dude who worked at a company with like all technology from the 70s that was completely irrelevant to every other job. It was like a weird no sequel scripting language called Munch. You pretty much trashed that is what you're trying to say. It was like trash, except we didn't have to do tapes. So maybe it was more advanced. I mean, it was a different era between. me and trash, you know what I'm saying?

So 10 years later, no page. It's literally a different decade. Tapes are gone. But the, so I wanted to get a remote job, but I didn't know anybody. I hadn't even really done very much contributing to NeoVim. I definitely

was not. You haven't even contributed to Neovim yet. Yeah. Contrary to Began's take, I was not like most of the way to like being known for open source or anything like that. I was just... What was the first open source project you contribute to. Me of them. There you go, guys.

Everyone, imagine that. What's your first open source project? Just an editor used by literally tens of people. It wasn't as popular back then. Okay, sure. Tens of people. But the way that I got my first remote job, which maybe is like more relevant for lots of people there, is one, you have to find ways, especially if you have sort of like,

mine was, I would say, like, somewhat traditional of a resume, but not super helpful because I didn't have any experience in any of the technologies that I wanted to do. So it's definitely getting screened. You just put your Stack Overflow rank on there, right? I definitely was not answering stuff on Stack Overflow at the time either. Because it's lame. It was not lame 10 years ago. I'm not going to lie.

I try to give my reputation up. I tried to give my reputation up. I was working on my rep until I got, and this is true, I got an entire We Work IP band from Stack Overflow. Can we come back? Can we come back? Let's table that? We're going to circle back.

We're going to circle back. So, but like, so I had a resume that probably would not be super helpful at getting a job at anywhere that I wanted to get hired at. So you need to find a way to get a personal email that is posted somewhere online. So that could be hacker news who's hiring. That could be like some smaller site like angelist.com at the time I think it was called or like,

I don't know what any of the startup ones are. Now you need some way to get a like person email that you can email directly and make your pitch for why you're a good fit for the company. That then means, and I did this for, probably at least 100 companies would be my guess before I got one interview and then I got an interview and got hired in that place. So that was good. But like you have to go, I like, because I remember doing it literally for probably like two or three months because I was

going to, I wanted to move back home. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Be close to my family again. And so like every night, that's what I was doing was finding new companies doing this. And then you need to go and like, what's their company mission? What's their stack that you're interested in doing? their like values what are cool things that they've done and then write not chat chabit right your own pitch for why you match those the best like i literally got through the first door because i talked about this one place like hey we really like empathy i wrote about how kaly and i were going and volunteering at this thing like on and how it was really cool and i learned a lot about other people and they're like oh that's that's interesting that's that's the unique thing that said yeah we'll give you a shot and then

that's the place that I got hired at. Yeah, if you apply for like a CRN, you're like, dude, I just, me and my wife passionate about managing customers data. Exactly. That's what we do every night. Every night I go home, I make my own little spreadsheet. Whatever, just lie and say you're passionate about. Me and my wife are passionate about customers data.

Yeah. And you guys can at home say they don't care about values. Somebody at the company does. And it might be. And it might be the person whose email is there. And at the very least, it shows that you know something about that company. That already puts you above 95% of the other people because 95% of the other people are just spraying and praying.

They're just sending resumes every place they can, especially now. I'm going to sign up for AI automated shooting and my thing everywhere to write a book. If you can do anything, every single little thing you can do that does one unique aspect about you. You might be the foot in the door

that you need to get the first job. Because like I'm saying, I was a random guy from the Midwest using an outdated tech stack and I got hired by a cool like startup that did Python, which is what I wanted to do at the time. That made Fortnite. Is programming Fortnite just ran the Midwest, dude.

Yeah. So that would be, that's my, like, you've got to find some way to represent yourself uniquely, right? And especially if you can find a way to match that into what the company does, that's, that's what best advice that. That's advice that work. I don't think I've ever wrote a, not saying you shouldn't. I just don't think I've ever wrote a cover letter, nor have I really read them when someone did send me one. You should write a cover letter. I'm not saying this advice.

I'm just saying like, yeah. Like I feel like, so like, for the jobs when I was, like, reviewing resumes, I always just go straight to, like, the experience. And, like, do you hit all these marks? I'll be honest. Yeah, I don't, I don't ever read the cover letters.

I can't remember the last time I read a resume. I mean, the last one. Well, you guys are probably the wrong people to ask anyways. I mean, I think it depends on, like, the level, too. It's like, if I'm interviewing for seniors, I just go straight to the experience. Well, no, no, it depends. It's like, if I'm looking for someone more junior, right?

Yeah. It's riskier, no matter what. We're gambling more. And so if I'm gambling more, I'm going to pull in more piece of information data. Like someone in the chat mentioned writing a blog. I see a junior has written a blog. It's just like, ooh, bumps up a little bit. Now, that doesn't matter as much for senior person.

I'm like, what is your code? How are you contributing? But the junior person's like, oh, they show initiative. But like, I don't, I, if I can get a big signal from something that they sent to me, that the senior is a pleasant person to work with, that they have skills to work on a team. I don't care if you write awesome code and everyone hates your guts. I don't want to work on your team. We don't want to hire you.

You're going to tank our company's culture. You're going to trash all the code. You're going to be the 155 IQ Haskeller who abstracts everything in the clouds. And then our company gets tanked because we get lapped by the people writing JavaScript and putting As Any. Like I, so. And they're not doing as any in JavaScript. Nice try. You can.

You can. So, right? So it's like those are, those are important like signals you can send, especially if you're like angling for a new stack or you're angling somewhere else or you have some non-traditional. background for the job you're hiring. So, like, for me, I would way rather see a signal that this is, like, a good person to work with, that they have social skills that work well on our team,

than it is like, oh, I see they've worked at wherever. Well, I hate to say this. One thing I see online the most people are like, oh my God, everyone's always like, your network gets you hired. I've been in deck for 20 years that hasn't worked for me, and I always go, you're tattling on yourself. That's a self-report. Sorry to tell you.

TikTok sucks. It's nothing but young girls dancing, half naked, what? It's an algorithm. It's like a lot of people don't realize that, yeah, you messed up a bunch multiple times. You've hit heart on the wrong, on the wrong TikToks then, buddy. Yeah, exactly. There's something going on here. Yeah.

So it's like, yeah, because you meet people and if you're actually a pleasure to work with and you do a good job, people want to work with you again. Even if they're out of different place or whatever. It also doesn't imagine what kind of company you're going for. Because I mostly come from like startups and it's like, okay, It's smaller. We might end up with some weekends and some nights. Yep.

If I'm going to be with someone on my weekends, on a Saturday night, I got to like them more. Like the more I'm going to spend time with you in off hours, the more you need to be cool. So I think it's easier sometimes to be like, quote unquote, the personality hire that's a little bit like rougher and then prove yourself versus in a company. That's a good point because that's where I was like looking to get hired was a smaller company doing remote work, doing more of a different stack and stuff like that. So I like that sort of writing a cover letter Finding a real person to get an email there like those are ways that I think you can get help What about you Brian? Hey, thank you for you even finish your sentence in your I know, but I was excited I was like I don't have anything else to say I think I got a little bit slightly different advice than you guys

I kind of took a more non-traditional route first off I was start with fortnight I was 25 when I graduated from college and no I was not a doctor Okay some of us take a little bit longer to get through you know the old college. And so what I did is that the very first thing I did is I tried to make my own company. I just thought that was. Obviously. I was just, no, literally, I think every person my age was so affected by the social network

when that movie dropped. You're like 24 years old and it's just like, this. Dude, this guy is just like, I did. It screwed all my friends and made a billion dollars. I'm like, I could be this guy. That could be me. Wait, what? My plan is to be the A war.

You're telling me that's your motivation. to rethink this partner show. No, what's El Dorado? Okay, no one wants to be him. Anyway, so that's like, that got me all pumped up about like, I could make anything I want. Yeah. And so I spent years doing that and when it inevitably failed, which it did, by the way. Trash, can you not adjust your mic during my talking? This is my soliloquy.

It's fine. The recording. I know, don't worry. I'm just talking about the live audience. Hello, YouTube. You can hear us nice, loud and clear later. Yeah, later. Sorry, Twitch.

You guys are awesome. Awesome, Twitch. Also YouTube and Twitter, if you're there. So. Yeah, we don't know, actually. So that's kind of like one of my big first things is that I think to be employable, it's really great to have done something yourself. Because I have like a well to draw on.

So I spent two years being so broke that me and my wife got in an argument. Like I heated, is this the end? Are we getting a divorce because she wanted to buy almond butter? And I'm like, girl, we don't have money to do that. You got almond butter money. We don't got almond butter money. Actually, she's still fighting with her about that. Actually, TJ was over when she brought up.

that one and she was just like we could have done and I'm like I don't think we could have like we will still fight about that one but it's it's very true it's like we were so broke and we just did this for so long and then when I finally said okay I need to get a job I felt like it was a lot easier in the sense because everyone I talked to I could just like talk about what I did and I had this the skill which I think anyone can have this skill which is you find the job you want to work for you figure out the stories of your own life that match what that job is and when they say hey tell me something about yourself you're like I got a story that's gonna line up with their text act that's gonna line up with their mission and I'm about to drop the story so they

they like are obligated to ask follow-up questions I'm gonna steer the conversation this entire time because I'm the owner of this conversation they're trying to get information from me and so I'd always just figure out everything I want to say when I went and interviewed at Netflix I did the exact same thing read the entire culture deck came up with like five separate questions and when someone come in I'd be like boom you say that you want like a players and if there's a B player you give an A grade severance like what does that mean for work life balance because does that mean I'm working all day every day because you also claim 40 hours a week so how can you be all those things right and just like challenge them on every single point when they'd

ask a question I was never afraid to challenge them even on the question like when someone again this was at Netflix I've called people stupid in multiple interviews I'm not recommending you do that but it is it is sometimes worth it if you if you already feel you have really good report you as the interviewee or the interviewee and someone was just like oh because I was I was I was They asked me like, what would you change about a product? I said the Xbox search is super terrible. Again, I learned everything about the product. I went and used it.

I never once touched Netflix in my entire lifetime until I got an interview. I watched all of Battlestar Galactica in like two weeks and used the product every single day for like six hours. How did you get them to mail you all those DVDs at the time? That's crazy. This was 2013 tough guy. They had streaming. They already went through Quixter. No, shut up.

And so then what I do is that when they asked me about that, someone actually had the gall to be like, our Xbox search is not that bad. And I said, false. It is the worst product you have ever created. And here's why it's terrible. And went on like a whole thing, told them how not only could they change it, what would be better, how you would measure it would be better versus the old one.

I came up with time, you know, from search to play. What is that distance? How many successful searches are they doing? Are they given up? Like, came up with every possible thing. And so that way I came in pre-paired, pre-primed, ready just to rock on any question. Because I knew I was going to get a bunch of these type of questions. And so it's like, this is what I want to change about your company.

This is what I think I can do. really good for you. Here's a story about what you guys do and this is why I would be good to be there. Like I was so focused at every single company I did and then I do research. So the first job I ever got, the person that worked there, I found his brother and mean his brother had a common link. Yeah. And so I was just like, what kind of questions do they ask there? And he's just like, do they love this crystal ball, the two, the, you have a crystal ball. You have two of them need to find out when they break so you can drop it down these stairs. But the moment it breaks, how do you find the next step as fast as possible?

Right? Like, how do you know where it actually breaks that? The answer is simple. You have to drop it square root of n. And then when it breaks, you only have to back up square root and then linearly go through square root of n. And so it's actually the fastest way. Because if you did it with binary,

if you went halfway down and dropped it, it broke, you'd have to do half of n search. So I knew all this and I came in on it. And they actually tried to tell me it was the log end thing. And I was just like, here's why you're wrong.

Broke it all down. Like, this is actually how you do your problem. Like, I researched the crap out of the problem. Dude, I was so. I was so ready for the problem because I went to all this research. I was just like out there. I was just ready. And I'd find out everything I can.

And the jobs I didn't do that on, which I can think of one, which is one was Oracle. Back then, I was right now technologies and the other one was Google. He didn't figure out how to work khakis. I literally, when I didn't read the Google like manifesto for hiring, which says read cracking the coding interview. I didn't read it. Did not get the job the first time. The second time, I read the manifesto.

It said, read this book. I read the book. I was asked three questions right out of the book. past it, walked right in, got in. And it's just like, this is so stupid. Like, why? Just read, just do the thing. And so that's what I'm saying.

That's like very similar to like the advice. Yeah, research. You have to do the research and then find ways to show that you did it. Yeah. Just showing that you're interested at all in working at that place. Okay, you're already better than 90% of the people that are applying. Right? Because they're just like, well, I'll work anywhere.

I'll do whatever. You're like, okay. Well, I want to work here. Yeah. My work will look like I care. Yeah. Okay. Dude, that's already better than a bunch of people.

they hired. You know, like, yeah. And I did have one other thing that was, I did do career fairs. And our career fairs were okay. We had like two or three tech companies because it was Bozeman, Montana. There's virtually no one there. But I found out everything about those companies. And I came in just hot. I'd find them. I would talk to them. I would just sell it. In fact, one of the offers I got to work at underwater warfare in Seattle was because I made the strongest eye contact. She said no one in my grade made eye contact. And I just looked her in the eye and talked to her the entire time. And at the end of it, she's like, you know what? I'm going to say yes to you.

Because you looked me in the eye the entire time. And I was just like, yeah, unbroken. What company is that? Because I will be suing them for ableism. Okay. The autist will take that company down. I will. Him and the Portlandia again.

Portlandia about to shut that. Prime's advice was watch all the Battlestar Galactica. All of Battlestar Galactica. Stock people, I believe. Yeah, yeah. Find out everything you can. And then craft your stories around that so that they have to ask you follow-ups.

Crafty stories, and then also memorize all the... Buy stolen answers of what they're going to leak? Dude, if somebody's willing to tell you what they're going to talk... I mean, that's what leak code is today. Lead code's just like, hey, I heard this. I heard they asked this question. So just like I memorize all the questions. I just learn them all.

One other thing that I thought was super, super duper good to do is that when you get the chance to talk to somebody, come up with questions. Yes. Like just like... Never be the guy that goes. When you have five minutes left and they ask you that, you should have like two or three questions and practice it with somebody in real life. Yeah.

That's like a huge thing I'd do is I'd be like, hey, you're... And it can't just be like, um, do you like working at here? Like, yeah. No, that can't be the question. Like, uh, whatever you call them, cohort. And I'd actually ask them like, hey, I need you to ask me these questions. I need you to try to give me a mock interview because I want to be the best there is. I want to train for this.

I RPGed it. I was like my stats way high on the question. RPG, that's what Trash was writing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Me and Trash. Do you have heard of it? Yeah. RPEG is RPG 4 too.

Yeah. Wow. So I will say on the question side, like, especially if you're a junior, because I know, we probably all like interviewed a lot of people. I'm looking for a junior who is asking questions about what, how are they going to learn and be mentored? Yes. You know what I mean?

Because you know, okay, you're not God programmer. So they ask like, hey, how does it work? How do we do we do pair code reviewings? When do we do we do learning times? Do we have refactor Fridays or if they're not asking questions about how they elevate their skills? You're like, uh-oh, that's a problem. If they ask, you don't have to say like, oh, you're a genius now. You're like, look, you're asking.

Yeah, and like, it shows that they're going to be willing to like take code review or like some suggestion on the PR. Yes. And be like, okay, I will change it so that it can be good. You do not want to be the junior who's saying, well, actually I ordered it at school and you guys are all wrong, blah, blah, blah, blah, all the time, right? I've been that junior. I have been that junior. Sometimes you're right. But also sometimes...

You're being wrong more often. But also, dude, software is also a social game. Like, you're working with people. You're making stuff together. Team sport. So sometimes... Team sport. Sometimes the technically right answer is the wrong answer for the company.

Because you've got to burn too many bridges or spend too much social capital or get the wrong person angry. Sometimes you just say, that's okay. You can make the wrong one here. Maybe you tell your boss, hey, I think this isn't the greatest so you can have it. down later, so you're not the one that gets framed for how it turns out in six months when it was wrong or whatever. Yeah. So it's like sometimes you just got to do that.

And that's okay. And can you be that junior, right? Or can you be that person at the company. You can give signals by asking your questions about learning and all this other stuff that will give a strong signal. Like every time I've had a really where the interviewer or interviewee who's a junior and is asking a question. I've always said basically yes. I don't think I've ever had one where for a junior role and they were asking questions. Even if they like messed up parts of the other coding thing.

I'm like still, yeah, they're ready to learn, they're ready to be a mentor, they're ready to get better. He's just like, too chatty. Pass. I've actually struggled interviewing interns and juniors because especially when they're all like, I want to learn and I'm willing to do it. And then I'm like, I don't have like a, I'm always looking for a differentiator. Like, you know what I mean?

Because like I can, at this point everyone has given the advice like, you know, you've got to be eager to learn. You want to grow. Well, you'd be surprised. Yeah, but I definitely had like bad interviews. That's shocking. I've had a lot of. Yeah.

I have a lot of bad ones, but when they're good, it's like, man, like, how do I, like, discern them? How do I pick them up? Do I use, you know, GitHub contributions or, you know, obviously there's a consensus. Usually, like, the interview with multiple people and make it from them. But sometimes it's like, man, they were both, like so passionate, really you learn. Like, how do we pick one? And it almost just feels like, not like we're actually flipping a coin, but like, it's almost to that effect. Like, it's, man, I could work with either one.

Like, I can't make this decision. That's when you just say, boss, you got to decide. They both get a yes for me. I've had a job where our goal is with interviewing is actually to try and push the person past their knowledge to see how they act. That is the goal. So we just take one topic and you're going deeper, deeper, deeper,

and you're trying to, I want them to say, ooh, actually, I don't really know that. Here's what I think maybe here's side research. And it's so funny because half the people, good developers, are like, no, I don't know. Here's how I had research. And the others go, yeah, yeah, so check it out. It's probably, and they start lying.

My favorite interview that, that's real. That's real. That's really. Actually, at the place, my first remote job when I'd done all this stuff. the last stage of the interview was pair programming is small company so like with the founder right because it's just small right so it's like okay so you and you're like oh my goodness like pair programming it's not funny it's a real technique yeah but so we just they pick a random like crazy competition programming problem that he doesn't know how to solve and we tried to solve it

together yeah yeah oh that's fun and we didn't solve it we worked on it for an hour we didn't know what the solution was. We did not know what the solution is when we were done. I actually love that. That's actually kind of fun. And it was like, neither of us are going to solve it, but let's try. Right.

And you know, he was, he was giving some ideas. I was giving some ideas, right? And like, it was totally fine. We got to the end.

And it was very obvious we could work together. Because when you're at your job, you don't know what the answer is. That's the whole point of the company most of the time. You're iterating on new ideas. Right. So, sometimes know the answer.

Yeah, but a lot of the time, but even if you know what the answer is to this solution, you always don't know, how do we get better? I mean, maybe a Netflix. If you know the answer, we're automating you away. You're getting fired. I read the Netflix jack.

I know how it works. Yeah. Ace Everett's coming your way, buddy. So that's obviously hard because you can't do it for everybody when they first come in. But like as a final pass for an interview, that was one of my favorite, that was probably my favorite interview process I ever did was that first one. And I really liked that because both of us didn't know. So I also got to see, do I like working with you? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I was desperate, so I was going to take it either way. But that is a very good note. I just need you on my resume. People don't often, like, think about this, that an interview isn't just them seeing if they want to hire you. It's also, do you like these people?

Yeah. Like, do you actually want to work with these people? Because I've had interviews where I'm like, I don't want to work with this guy. This guy's, like, not just, this is not going to work out for me. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say for the, like, when you're trying to find out if you like a person or not, like when you go back and forth.

I think of a bit of like a date, you know? And that's why the eye contact's important. That's why you got to share some things about yourself that are going to be maybe not the most, you know, I'm a little weird to be honest. I don't want to get hired. Okay, no, not the little, just a little. I don't want to get hired and then be like, what? He's eccentric?

Right? It's like, that's, I'm going to have a bad time. So it's like, everybody would be having a bad time. So you kind of want to, you got to show them. You're trying to show them like, I hope this works out good because you're going to really hate me. Yeah. If you don't, and you shouldn't feel bad if you're like, you know,

if they're going to not hire me because I'm loud, then I don't want to work there. I do not want to be at the company. Yeah, that's good. That's good. You should really tell your story about how you got Stack Overflow banned for an entire. And then we'll wrap it up. Okay, if you guys don't know Stack Overflow back in the day,

this is an old website. This is pre-Chatch EBT. So this is like forever ago. When you wanted to find out why the code was broken, you go to Stack Overflow, like six most most viewed website. of the internet at the time. Yeah.

Yeah. So if you guys didn't know, this was back when I was really trying to be a DevOps boy. I was running a DevOps meeting. Everything Hashy Corp was doing, oh my God. This is post Ruby during your go phase. Switch to go.

Now, DHS, no longer my hero. Mitchell Hashimoto is my new hero. I'm going to be like him now. And so I'm going, I'm just like literally every time there was a tarifforn update. I was, you know, read it every day. So I'm trying to be a good contributor on Stack Oplow answer answers. And I'm giving the best answers possible where it's like,

there's a couple different directions. Here's a link to some information. Here's a different style. When you're new on Stack Overflow, you can't post 40 links. You can't post a bunch of formatted code. You have to have a higher score. True. So I was at a startup that WeWorks, so I said, everyone, pull up the Stack Overflow

post and start uploading all of my posts. So I can get enough points to answer people's questions to be a good guy. We did that for a minute. And I'm not joking. We got IP bands like right away. And I went out to the little WeWork, everyone's hanging out. and people are like, my boss doesn't understand that overflows down.

Multiple devs were like pissed off and they're all like it was we work. So it wasn't like a bunch of like super software dead. They don't understand. I have to take the day off. Like what is going to? Who did this?

And not just that. It said our company name on it. It had just our. So they were like trying to find our cubicle in the we work. So it was like, I don't know how. Yeah. So it was bad. It came back the next day.

It was a whole day that it was gone. That's so. awesome. Yeah, so don't manipulate the stack. We're not the word of this anymore. Yeah, yeah, that's fine. They're gone. They've already been accumulated. Jeff Adwood just pledged 100 million of his dollars to give away to charity right now. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah, he's like, oh yeah, staff before it's done. Might as well give the bunny away and start away. Yeah, I'm done with that, so it's fine. Yeah.

Whoops. You ever got IP ban any place that work before? Never jira taking out of jir? I have never been IP banned, but I have been threatened by Stack Overflow with a handwritten message. Oh, I know, yeah. That one is funny. We'll have to save that for the next episode. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, beautiful. The next episode. Thanks, everybody. This was the staying-up live.

Hopefully you enjoyed it. I know if you watched this live, the audio is scuffed. Don't worry. You can watch this later on YouTube. On YouTube. And you will be able to see this on Spotify, which you can watch and listen right now. Yeah, Spotify's up these days. We're on podcast listening platforms everywhere.

So you can go there. This is weekly. This is twice a week. We just don't do a lot. We don't usually do it in person. And yeah. Do you want to tell you while you're watching in person? Hey, Ben, Ben,

and Mike is like, hey, just someone in chat just do bang stand up. Right? If you just do bang stand up, I think it should shoot out both the Spotify link. Yeah. And the other one. This is the reason why we don't do this. So damn short. I know. It's a little short. Yeah, next time we'll figure it out to get these mics hooked up to

something like that's the first time. There you go. There's YouTube. There's Spotify. Yep. So thanks everybody. The audio will be fixed in post. Can we play the ball song? No, we can't right now because I don't know how to get that audio through there. They're going to have to save it from late. Can I just play it right here? Europe and you're near Amsterdam

you can come to TwitchconiU. Me and Prime will be there as well as Began actually. Well, I don't know. I just got my passport today and I fly tomorrow. Yeah, so hopefully that'll happen. But that's literally going to spoil. That's probably like blasting their ears. It's going to spoil. You don't get the rest of the song. You cannot play the rest

please. Okay, that's it. Thanks everybody. We'll see you later. Follow the podcast on Spotify. Give it five stars if you're there. But don't everyone do it at once. We don't want to get IP bands. Yes, please, please. Just separate it out. We don't get I do it. Hey, everyone pick a time. Crocs boys. Crocs boys.

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