The Standup with ThePrimeagen - Keyboard Show & Tell

Episode Date: June 25, 2025

🔗 Sponsored by Code Rabbit https://coderabbit.link/primeagen-vscode ⸻ 🎹 Finding the Right Keyboard Welcome to The Standup – where developers, creators, and founders debate the big questions. In this episode, we talk about all things Keyboards. We dive deep into: - Keyboard Obsession Origins - Mechanical Keyboards 101: Switch types, thock vs. clicky, creamy vs. crispy - Keychron, GMMK Pro, Dactyl Manuform & Voyager Reviews - Box Switches & Keycap Profiles (Cherry, DSA, OEM) - Silent Switches vs. Clicky Switches Debate - Typing Ergonomics & Wrist Pain Fixes - Split Keyboards, Thumb Clusters, and Concavity Explained - Custom Keyboards with RGB & Anime Keycaps - Keyboard Lubing - ZMK vs. QMK Keyboard Programming - Typing Competitions & Internet Speed Typing Lore - Casey’s Journey: From Amiga to Custom Builds - ASMR & Key Sounds Showcase - Trash’s Keyboard Garage Sale Finds - Ergonomic vs. Aesthetic Keyboards - How Much is Too Much for a Keyboard? ⸻ 📌 Chapters: 0:00 - intro + banter 2:13 - the only coffee to drink 3:50 - who are the keyboard fiends 5:22 - sponsor: CodeRabbit 6:03 - Casey learns about Keyboards 2:05 - is college still worth it in 2025? 5:48 - the cost of college in the U.S. vs Europe 10:24 - What is Thock? 15:45 - What are Box Switches? 17:08 - Trashes Keyboard 24:00 - Primes insane keyboard 25:45 - Caseys keyboard 27:00 - Programming your Keyboard 29:25 - Touch Typing and the Home-Row 33:30 Teej's keyboard 36:38 - Trash's AOL Dragonball Z Battles 37:55 - More Prime Keyboards 42:18 - How much is too much money on a Keyboard 45:00 - Lube talk 47:05 - Mice suck 50:05 - Casey's Keycaps 53:56 - Pressure 58:55 - Prime is NOT in charge of the Airbnb 1:00:40 - Outro and Inspiration ⸻ 📢 Subscribe for more honest convos about dev life, startups, and tech culture. 🧠 Hit the bell so you don’t miss the next one.

Hey, hi. TJ, you sound like you're talking on like one and a half speed. Hello, it's me, DJ. I'm here. I hung out with you too much, probably. I know, you're like talking fast. What is this? I'm from Massachusetts.

We all talk fast. Is that a thing? Oh, yeah. Massachusetts doesn't just go to car in the pot. Well, that's the accent, but also everyone's possible. Trash, can you do that again? Because that was the worst. Trash, do that the whole episode piece.

Yeah. But we won't. I can only say car in the pot. That's like all I, that's all like I can. Where do you park the car? Harvard Yard, of course. Yeah. Harvard Yad.

You packed the cat. Harvard Yad. In what? In Havid Yad. Harvard Yard. Oh, Harvard Yard. Oh. Hey, welcome to the standup.

We are having a very special episode today. Today we have Casey moratory, very common guest on this show. And he apparently has a bit of a keyboard affinity. And we're going to be chatting about keyboards today. Also with me is TJ, Bellotro, Wizard, and Trash. He has one password for his entire family, and it's been leaked several times. We appreciate you conserving. It's kind of like eco-friendly.

It is. He's saving the environment one password at a time. Oh, can I do. One password. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, are, is that a poorover? Is that a gentle pourover you're doing there, probably? I am doing a little bit of it.

of a pourover right now. I just figured a little bit of coffee for the stand-up would be a good move. Very nice. That is fancy. Are we filming a podcast right now? We had considered it. Time out. Is that coffee, Casey? This? No, this is tea. Okay. Okay. I was about to say I was like, that is mudwater. You should not be drinking that. No, no, no, no, no, that's tea. It's actually like mango tea. Okay, okay. I'll allow it then. You know what? You don't get to allow anything in Casey's life trash. He's an adult. He can make his own choices. Oh, that's tea. Okay, I'm sorry.

Cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Speak for yourself, Prime. I would appreciate some commentary on my beverage choices from trash. I want to hear that. I want to know. Maybe I'm making some very, very serious mistakes when I fill up my cup in the morning. Okay, fair. I mean, is it terminal coffee? So here's the thing.

You know, I'm a Windows user. How am I going to order terminal coffee? Putty. Putty. S-H. I don't even know. Casey, we know that. that you have many Linux servers

sitting around. Yeah, I didn't want to make that. You don't even need a GUI attached to them to order. Okay, all right. S-H-H, what do you guys use? I can't remember. I don't think I can use it. Is it secure? Many are still wondering that on Hacker News to this day.

Yep. I actually do like the idea of being able to order things from a command prompt if you're already in a command prompt. Like, I love the idea. I'm kind of surprised actually that you haven't taken over the world already. I'm assuming that's because the only thing you could buy on there is just some coffee. You need like Amazon, but it's all accessible just from the terminal, right? I mean, I assume that's the eventual goal.

I don't know if that's the goal. No? But I do like the idea of selling other items other than just coffee and even being able to sell stuff that say is more drop-shipped or is able to be shipped from countries in which we currently do not sell in, because it is very difficult to get coffee all around the world and all that. So we are only available technically in Europe and in the Americas. It's pretty good. Good sourced coffee.

Thanks, Trash. Thanks, Trash approved. We're putting that on the bag, dude. Nice. That seems like a good segue into this stream, which is like gear talk. Are Trash and I the only two keyboard fiends on this particular podcast? or you guys keyboard fiends as well? I would say I'm a fiend, but I have a good number of them that I will share.

So it's kind of interesting because I feel like me and Prime probably have the goofiest keyboards, but I only own one. Okay. Yeah. Right? So it's like, you know how when people are like, oh, there's only like left and right politically and then someone's like, oh, you've got to get out the compass? I feel like this is us for keyboards right now.

Like we got to get out the keyboard compass here. Okay. Of like, are you an authoritarian keyboarder? Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely some sort of SWAT analysis diagram of, of course. keyboards about to happen right here. All right, so since I know very, very little about keyboards other than I type and I'm very fast at them, you want to give us like a walkthrough, like maybe like an intro into keyboards

for all of us. And then kind of Casey maybe tell us why you choose yours and what makes an excellent keyboard and why is everybody else's opinion wrong. Oh, TJ. I also want to know how you got into keyboards, Casey. Yes. It might even be better. How did you get into keyboards?

Okay. So this is, this is, I have to say this very carefully in case you guys, everybody. want sponsors that are involved in keyboard manufacturing on this program. So I'll simply say, I used to use a particular brand of keyboard that I liked well enough, but I had to replace it like every year because like a key would eventually die. Microsoft keyboard. No. Okay.

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link slash primogen dash VS code. Links in the description and ship cleaner code today. And so about two or three years ago, I can't remember exactly when, maybe two years ago. I was just like, all right, look, I'm just going to learn about keyboards

and I'm sure, I'm sure that I can go out there in this world of like, I know there's keyboard fanatics out there. There must be a keyboard that I can, buy that I will like that will be like super durable and I can just have that keyboard for like the next 10 years and not think about it anymore right and so I that's what started me down this road and it went from that relatively simple proposition and this is how they get you right it's like

the schoolyard dealer or whatever it is like they get you with this one little thing you want I just want a little bit nicer keyboard or something and you know now today it's It's like I make these myself by buying various mod kits and the base keyboard and different switches and key caps, and I put them all together. And I didn't even notice that happening to me. Like I didn't notice this happening to me. I've gone all the way. So anyway, does that answer that question first? I have a question.

You're telling me that a slightly, a desire to have a product last longer than one year is how big industrial keyboard complex gets you? Yes. Yes, yes. But it's actually small keyboard. I don't know, it's like niche keyboard people get you. That's how they get you. You know, it's like the Arch Linux experience or whatever. It's like it doesn't work on a lot of people, but when it works, that's it.

You're in, right? You're, you've gone down that road and you're never coming back. The lifetime value on the people who buy one custom keyboard kit, oh boy, you are happy. That's a big capture for that LTV, boys. Yep. So that's what happened. That's what happened to me. And so I happen to be using now.

I use the keycron. The bass keyboard is a keycron. They're super heavy. This thing I'm lifting up now is probably like 10 pounds or something. What material is it? It's solid metal of some kind. It's nuts.

I don't know. It's like spent uranium. Right? It's ridiculous how heavy this thing is. I want a tungsten keyboard. Like I want a, 50 pound keyboard. This is, when you pick this up, that is what you will think you are holding.

It is shockingly heavy. I've never held a keyboard that was this heavy before. But it's nice. It stays where you put it, and that's pretty great. The only thing I will say, the Kikron, so the stock model Kikron's, these guys here, which these are custom key caps. That's not what it would look like normally. The stock models, when you get a keyboard, there's a couple different things that will

determine, like, the feel and the sound. and that sort of thing. Sound in particular, the body of the keyboard plays a big role in that, believe it or not. So the stock Kekron's,

they feel too crispy to me. They're very like, they have, like a lot of... What's crispy? What is that? Yeah, what means? Like treb, a lot of treble. Like sun chips? Yes. Treble.

Like the sunshed bag is what you're trying to say. Like metal, like the feeling of hitting metal a little bit too much. Like your feet, you're hearing that, it's like a little bit, pingy and you feel it.

It's like a little spring sound. Maybe not necessarily, not like the switch. So not like the old IBM keyboard. Those like clang, clang clang clang ones or anything like that. But you just, it's a little, Krispy is the best way. I can't, we're clipping that, dude.

That's the new intro to the stand-up. Clank, clang, clang, clang, clang, clang, clang. It's just a little bit crispy, is all as I'm saying. All right. So what you do is you, you open them up and you mod them by putting in like pour on foam and a P.B. There's all these like inserts you use because if you open these up stock,

there's very little actual padding in them. And so I add a bunch of padding to them, which you can buy aftermarket. You can buy aftermarketons for this. You don't even have to cut it yourself. You just buy them. Does that make what the kids call fonkiness? That's what make your keyboard go fong, thong, thong, thong,

as opposed to quank, quank, quack. I see what you're asking for. It's really not quite, white that. That's more just like, I think you're talking about thok, T-H-O-K. Yes, yes, you're right. Thawkiness. Thawke. Thawke. Thawke. Thick. Do you have thick keys? Sorry. I had to have. I had to. Not thunk. I put it in there. Okay, I sound like an idiot. Yeah, thawk. Thawke. If thawk is the overall quality of a sound you're looking for, they use that, they use that, they describe that like, like, thp-p-p-th-p-like. I don't, I can't make it with my mouth. Here's some pinks. Here, hold on one second. Let me get this. Okay.

That's kind of thought. Okay. Is that Thalk? I mean, here's the thing I will say, despite being very into building my own keyboards, I never really know exactly what people are talking about with Thak. You go online and you hear lots of, like, keyboard demo things. They all sound pretty similar. And a lot of them that I would have thought are Thawkee, they're like, that's not Thawkeey or this is, you know. So I'm not going to say, I can't comment.

I'm not an expert. I feel like this is, this is. the meme with the butterfly where the guy you know he's looking up and Prime is just holding up keyboards is this thaw? I know someone said that's not thawk that was creamy. I didn't even realize there was a creamy category. Okay is this

one thawks. Just quick question. People are just making things up. Everyone's just making things up. That's more clippy. I love that sound. I'm like, my eyes almost like rolled to the back of the time. Hold on. Hold on. Here's that. First trash, you're asking if the keyboard's thick and now

you're saying you love that. Trash. Trash. I'm a big ASMR guy. That's all me going to say. You should not say that. Okay. I don't know if you've been on the internet, but ASMR is not keyboard clicking sounds.

So yeah. I mean, I love these things. I will enrage everyone in chat now. Yeah. By revealing that not only do I not want thawkiness or clicky keys or any of those things, I like it to be squishy. Sorry, Trashy. So like a membrane?

Oh, that's why you put the little sponges underneath your keys? Oh, dude, I hate that. It's like your type... It's like those keyboards that have like those like that silicone thing underneath them. Yeah. Those stock keyboards, it just...

It feels like you're like typing on a keyboard as like saran wrap inside of it. Well, no, that I would hate too, but I want that smooth, like I'm just flying through the night on an owl's wings. I want that. feeling, right?

So you're just like typing... Relatable. Right? What are you doing? It comes from the... I held this up before. It comes from this problem. When I was little, I had Amiga computers.

And I just, it's like chasing that first, you know, it's that first experience you're trying to get back the whole time. And those were very, they had a really nice soft squish to them. And so I always wanted that back. And this is the first time I've ever been able to get it. it. So I'm actually using silent switches in this. That's a type of category of switch

as opposed to the kinds of what no one wants those except me apparently but I love it. Okay. So just help me for a quick second. I know I know chat won't be able to see this as well. But on the matrix of thawk and

Squish, are you telling me there's also what's the other one? There's creamy as one? What about clicky? There's like a Yeah, clicking as well. And then clicky. Yeah, I mean, I can hold it. This is not how charts work, Brian.

This is one of those things. It's like, where are you? Are you right? Are you right here? Are you more on the squishy side? Yeah, but the, the, Oh, yeah, I put it on the wrong thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't want to write over the line, and then I realized I totally did this incorrect. Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. That's not how grass works. Yeah, okay, so it'd be squishy up here. Sorry, okay, there we go. Okay, all right, thank you. Okay, okay.

I'm going to go back in shame to this. I was wondering why Prime looks so focused He was making you forget that happen I'm doing a proper stand-up and not paying attention Josh cut that out in post Josh Save save Prime I mean you get look We can do this here

So this I don't know if anyone can see It probably can't even focus on this It is too blurry There we go What is that? So I'll just show you this is a standard Blue Switch this is I think a Oh I'm all blues

Right the blue switch which is it's not a Cherry MX Blue which is probably the more standard kind, but it's, you know, a similar kind. This is a kaleth box jade. I thought they were called Calys for a long time. I thought they were called Callies for a long time. You're probably right. I have no idea how to pronounce it.

They're kale. You're right. They're actually called kale. Okay. This is even clickier. So if we do it, so here's the blue. I'll hold it up. You hear that?

I love, gosh. Yeah, I'm on fascist team. That is the best. This is about to get age restricted. Right, yeah, I know. This, we're going to get. We're going to get demonetized, unfortunately. But here, a kiltbox jade is way harder core clicky.

So if you're clicky, you want this. Oh, yeah. You hear that? Yes. I need a harder click, though. And that's a good way to make your co-oper. No, this is way harder. You put a kiltzbox jade.

It's way harder to push. It is stiff. Like these things are, you want, you want thick? This is stiff. And these are also box switches. So box switches are ones that have a box, around where the key cap inserts so they don't wobble. You know how normally you put your finger on a key, you can kind of move it a little bit side to side.

It has a little bit of play. Well, it's okay. We can see if we can see this in here. There's a box right in there that holds it. See how there's a square? See? Oh my gosh. That's what a box means.

As opposed to normal, the normal switch. It's a box jade. Like, why is it a box jade? I didn't know that. The normal switch is just the little nub. Right? So there you go. So anyway.

Trash, nice. That's how that goes. But anyway, that's what determines more of the clickiness, stockiness thing. The switches and the keycaps are going to be more of that. The body is more, I mean, you know, think of it like a fine guitar. That's where the resonance comes from, where the other tones come from, right? But it starts with the switch and the keycap, obviously. Okay.

What is the switch in the keycap? What is that in relation to the guitar? the strings and the bridge fredboard fretboard i don't know pick up and strings okay pick up and strings okay okay okay okay okay i want to show you my keyboard Casey yeah let's do some trash show and tell here i think you'll appreciate it trash and click it next to the microphone dude we need to hear it too oh look at that bad boy can you hear that yes i can oh yeah so these are the brown tactile keys so i got into keyboards

Not too long ago. I went to a startup and everyone was like half my age and like I was like the kind of person that just used the default keyboard Whatever was on my desk that my work gave me. I would just use happily But then all these like zoomers were just look so cool with like their keyboards and they're like literally everyone was on my team and I was just like Look at your Beard Pyr Pyr Pureurette by 19 years It was like the meme where the guy with the back right saying he's like hello hello fellow kids or whatever that was like literally me So everyone was like having their clicky clacks and like I just came in.

I was just like, dude, like, I felt so out of place. So when you pulled out your keyboard, were you, like, kind of ashamed? You're like, oh, yeah, I just borrowed this one. My keyboard's at home. My other one's in the shop. My other one's in the shop. This is what happened. I literally, like, first day, first week, I get to my desk, plug my laptop in, got a new laptop.

They already have, like, a keyboard at my desk for me, which is, like, the default Mac one, which is, like, super skinny and flat. Yeah. And I just start typing on it, and they're all just, like, looking at me, you're like, is he not going to, is he not going to switch that out? And I'm like, what do you mean? What do you mean? And then like, it was funny.

They had, they had typing competitions. This is amazing. So you could type the fastest. But at the same time, they all had like blue keys. I was like, clicky, clack, cut. But anyway, it looked so cool. And they all had, like, crazy color schemes. And I was like, man, I got like really sad.

And I was like, I went online and just like bought like three. And I was like, stop. And just. Question. Question. Question. When you came into the office with yours, A, did you hope that people were going to be like, whoa, trash.

And B, were you a person? were you a poser? You know, like, you're the guy that shows up. Oh, I walked and I was like, just Karen

the old keyboard. How's that good juror task going? Oh, okay. I'm just here with my new keyboard that I got. I'll be over here on my keyboard. Wait,

can you lift that back up? Can you lift it back up? Do you have the HJK&L colored? black on there? Nice, trash. I do. Oh, and you've got a custom F12.

Custom escape and F12. Okay, so I have, dude, I'm like, I like geeked out real hard. Oh, yeah. So I have like, okay, trash, but stop. Before you go further, is this the very first one or is this like several iterations later? No, these are, this is actually the first one I ever got. Okay.

So I have two versions of it. I don't want to unplug this other keyboard. But I got this one. And then I switched out keys with another one. So I have a bunch of hentai keys. He actually sent me a bag of hentai keys. I sent I sent prime

some hint like so I brought this to the office didn't get in trouble luckily my wife threw away just FYI

they never made it now we're definitely not happened on my keyboard but yeah dude I went all out

just like like color schemes but then I got these uh trash has your wife seen your keyboard which which he's been describing

as thick and amazing she's embarrassed whenever she sees it she's like I can't believe I'm married to you and I'm like

I can't believe it either. And I'm like, I agree with you. I'm like, fair. I feel the same way. But then I got these cool, like, Naruto custom keys. So there's like a Nine Tails and Susano. They're like, Trash.

Quick side, though. What's that? Prime didn't even know about the rock leasing where he drops his weights. Ah, that is better. Now I will be able to move freely. Come on. You really think you'll be able to get through Garra's defenses

just by dropping a couple of pounds of weight? Yeah. He didn't even know it existed. I was trying to reference it. It's like the hardest scene in all of anime culture, bro. That's what I'm saying. I was embarrassed to be known by him. That's the hardest scene?

Dude, it's so hard. Crazy hard. It's sick. I guess I just, I will never like anime if that's the case. Is it bad time to mention that I have no idea what you're talking about at all? That's okay, Casey. It's okay. You're safe.

All right, you're safe. Sweet. Good. Yep. Good to know. But yeah, my story on the keyboards isn't really, anything complicated. I just wanted to look cool. And then once I bought the first one,

and I saw Milky have this keyboard on stream, it's the GMMK Pro. And I was like, dude, this is clean because it lights up, like, with, uh, you can change like the LED backlights. But this thing weighs like 10 plus pounds. So not only did you copy it because of zoomers, you went straight, RGB right afterwards to.

Dude, man, I, I lost control. And then look, and then I, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then I was like, okay, maybe my wrist does hurt a little bit and you know and I was like I don't know if it's like placebo from like seeing you all like oh my wrist turned I was like man I think maybe my wrist hurt

so I was like all right fine let me let me try this shit if you got an ergodox I got the Voyager as my first split keb this thing was way too hard use it for one week and it's just if anyone wants to buy this from me I will sell it to you

what was that dude it's called the Voyager and there's like Zero keys on it. I was so confused. Yeah. Where's the shift key? Don't get a Voyager.

What is this? What is this? Oh, my dude. Well, you bought it. All right, how much are you selling it for? We got a lot of people in chat right now saying they'd buy it. What is the cost? I'll sell it 10% below market price, whatever that is.

Trash. Dude, you're doing this wrong. You can sell it above market price and sign it because you're a stand-up member. 50%. Markups. spit on it or something. Throwing a hair first. That's three.

Spit on it. You know what? I'll include some bath water. All right. We got something. We should probably start, honestly, trash with what you're offering at this point, since it's such a comprehensive package for trash.

We should probably get an auction site going. Yes. We should auction it through SSH. We'll add a special spot in terminal. dot shop and we'll auction it off. Only trash. Only trash.com. Only trash.com.

Dude, I legit tried the split keyboard experience. I think, like, all my friends that do use split keyboards, they're like, you went to, like, hard mode because there's just way less... Yeah, yeah, that is a hard one. That's a super hard one. So I was like, okay, first this was a mistake. So maybe I might try it again with, like, a Moonlander or something. I don't know.

Why not? Just go for Kinesis. Man, I tried your keyboard at the tower, and it was the hardest thing I've ever done. Prime's keyboard has software remaps, so that. that all of the letters lie to you. You cannot base the experience of Flip keyboard. It's true. It literally had no keys on it

so you couldn't see it and it was remapped so it was like not even possible for your brain to understand it. How do you learn that keyboard? How do you learn your keys? Dude, how do you learn your keyboard? No, but without labels on it? You just guessed where they were? No, brother, brother.

This is like iteration three of my keyboard. Okay, so it's the same one. Yeah, it just has something on it. That's all it is. It's just a Okay. Blank space. Oh, look,

TJ's flexing his. Oh, wow, okay. Didn't you bring it even smaller one to the tower? Is that the one from the tower?

No, that's the... No, I brought this one. I brought this one. Can you hold it like a gun? I was like, I don't know. Can you hold it like a gun like trash?

Pew, p, pew, p, I'll do it like trash. Yeah, it's like the Nintendo glove? Power gloves. The power glove. The power glove.

It's all. They remind me. Uh, well, you learn what's on here. You can program onto it, Casey. you'd like that.

It's NC, so it's fast. You would like it. I have a question about... Wait, hold on. Wait, hold on. This is the set that I have. Okay. So I swapped the keys from these two keyboards for the HJKL.

Ah. So this is blue keys and this is brown ones. I went, unsurprisingly, keycap-wise, as you can see, so if we take the original Amiga keyboard, right, that is what the keys looked like.

So I was like, I want them to look Exactly like that. And so that is what I did. Same exact color scheme, classic style. I was actually going to ask you, why did you go like you were born in 1970s? Because I was. Okay, okay.

That is one reason. Okay. This is why I didn't, I was not expecting Casey to know the Rockley Naruto scene. Okay, this is why he gets the exception. Yeah, I get a free pass. Yeah, he gets a free pass on that one. I get a geeseer pass. I'm a decade older than you, TJ.

My other one does have a little. bit of flare. This is a key cap set that was a gift to me, so, but I like this one a lot too. I like that. I like just clean, simple. Just a little bit of pizzazz, a little bit of flare. Okay. How much flare is too much flare? You know, it depends what I'm doing. Hentai. That's the end up. I think I have a line at hentai. Like, if your Oki, if your O-key is literally an O-phase, probably too much. I don't know if that's where the line starts, but I know it's past the line. Like, there's, the line. The line is, somewhere before that, but that one... Dude, my Oki, look at my Oki.

Hold on, I don't know if you could see it, but you can see it... Oh, oh, I think it's too. Oh, my... Incredible. I'm just like, and so I'm in VIM, I'm like, control... Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Is this why you had to stop streaming, Trash? Yeah, my stream was like really bad at one point.

I don't know how I wasn't banned, but... Wow. Oh, this is beautiful. Oh, my keyboard set up is... This is... This is public, by the way. Wow. Okay.

Okay, so hold on. So, Casey, are you telling me you're not into the keyboard programming side of things? Like, are you a ZMK or QMK kind of kid? What are you? I do not program a keyboard at all. I used to swap control and caps lock, or not even swap them, but just make Capslock be control. Back when I was an EMAX user, because holy cow, right? You were holding that thing down 99.9% of the time.

Yeah. But now that I go modal, I don't even bother with that because I don't need to hold down control at all. So you would have actually benefited from a thumb cluster, learning to press control with your thumb, and then it wouldn't have been nearly as like off to the side the whole time. When I used Emacs, I actually briefly did try an ergonomic keyboard. And I never really quite, I don't know, I couldn't quite get in the groove that way. It was maybe like Trash's experience. I think I maybe went a little too ergonomic.

Like I probably should have started with something simpler. There weren't a lot of options at the time due to the whole board in 1970s thing. Nowadays there's probably better options. So they don't make keyboards for people made it in 1970s?

They actually do. They didn't make them back then. He's saying when he was trying earlier. What I was trying. Nowadays I could get one, right? Have you seen the movie Flubber? No, I've never heard of the movie Flubber. That's Robin Williams, right?

Yeah, yeah, Robin Williams. Okay, so you do at least know about Robin Williams. So if you would actually look in the Robin Williams photo, let me just bring it up for you right here. You'll notice right here in the Robin Williams photo, he's using a Kinesis Advantage 1. Yeah, Chad can't see it.

From what year is this? From what year is that? 1997. This is 1997. Okay. And then if you do men in black, I'm very dangerous here, but here we go. Men in black keyboard, Google.

Let's see what happens here. So if you look at this one, this is the men in black one. This is also a Kinesis advantage right here. in men of black so they've been around for a while I think they got started in the late 80s so I probably could have gotten one then I'm guessing when I tried it because it would have been

like maybe late 90s so they would have been available but or whatever the Kinesis 1 is I guess would have been available at that time but yeah I didn't have one of those it was something weirder than that did no one catch his joke no I got it oh I got it I didn't even hear it

I'm not gonna repeat it but that was funny The edit will catch it Yeah Yeah What did you You want to talk about my keyboard prime Oh yeah yeah Let's talk about yours

Alright first we'll do some keys I don't know if these sound good or not I bought this from a random guy on Reddit And then I've recommended him to like 100 other people So shout out that guy on Reddit I did not print this myself But it is 3D printed Which is cool

I feel like So it's not as heavy But it fits your hand really nice You know so like Put your hands here feels good okay here we go here we go ready here we'll turn it up all the way

so I will say this I would I would probably be better at the split key but I'm not a good like touch typeer or whatever you call it at home row so I think that was also like I realized like once I got a split keyboard I was like oh I'm like reaching with some of my hands so I cross over like I use like oh no trash you come on

I'm with trash I do the same thing that's one of the problems I had when switching to the ergonomic one is like I'm all over the place. I can't be tamed. I can't be tamed. I got to be all over the place on that keyboard. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Like, you know how you're supposed to rest your hands on like the pointing fingers on the J? Yeah. I'm actually shift over one. Oh, yeah, I should say. Because when I'm in him, I go like JK with my middle finger and wing finger. So I'm like, I'm super jacked up. All right.

All right. Yeah, I type with the correct fingers on stuff. I got, I didn't even say this is a dactal manifold. I mean one half of it. The other side is still has other stuff connected to us. I didn't want to unplug at all, but there you know. So that's the kind of people. I was watching you type of the tower, and I was like, man, he's like a proper,

a proper touch type or whatever you call that. I was like, yeah. Skill issue on my end, for sure. Dude, you've typed for how many years and you still don't know how to do it right? I type, but I type wrong. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is this? What is this right? How is that right?

It's just something that like secretaries came up with in the 50s or something. Home row? What's that's, that's, that's, I'm supposed to be the, the old guy here. What do you mean, you people? Yeah. All right. Hey, everybody was great. And as I'm going to stand up.

We'll see you guys. All right, let's hear your keyboard. Okay, if you're still typing Home Row, man, you're stuck in the past. Home Row is out. Dude, I will, I will gatekeep this.

You're wrong. Oh, wow. Okay. Why? Because it literally is designed to fit your hand. The, the Critty keyboard? just keyboards in general

if you put your hands in the same position everything's in the same position and then you don't have to play the game of where's my hands maybe maybe for your ergonomic keyboards that's true but a normal corny keyboard was just designed because they didn't want the typewriter bars to get

caught I mean it's not it's very much not in the right place I think you guys are talking about different things I'm saying like the literal keys on the keyboard regardless of what happens when you're typing them like they're designed to be hit by certain fingers. The layout,

Querti is not good, and it is a fun historical fact that it was designed to slow people down. Yeah. No, it's not designed to slow down. It's just designed to have maximum distance between things hitting, and so that way you don't jam your typewriter.

But yes, TJ's right. It's not about the typewriter. It's about the fact that if you keep your hands in place, all the keys are accessible and you don't have to move your fingers or you don't have to move your hands around. All keys are, like, that's the whole point of a keyboard.

So if you don't put your hands in the right place, Then you have to like move stuff around. You have to look down if you get off center. That's why they even have little nipples on the J and the F so you can kind of feel it. So you don't even have to look at it. Does trash has, does Trash have those too? I don't even want to know. How many nipples does yours have?

All right, TJ, show off your sound. Give me some sounds here. I did. I did. I'll do it one more time. Just chat. Chat said it sounded good. That's pretty thought.

Okay. So is that talky? Is that what talky is? I think that's talk. That feels a little talky to me. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I don't know anything about keyboards. I had a... So I started regular keyboard.

I was pretty fast typist on that, but I started getting some wrist pain in college. I'm like, I'm way too young to have this problem. Like, this isn't good. I also was doing a lot of percussion. Like, I played percussion decently through college and stuff, too. So I was like doing a lot of stuff. By percussion, you mean xylophone.

I did play... I played all of. of them in college, yes. Ziophone, marimba, timpani, you know, all this stuff. I do have a marimba in my office, it's true. That's awesome. So it's right over here.

It's kind of hard to show. I'll show it in a sec. But I was like, this is way too early for my hands to, like, start falling apart. That doesn't seem good. There has to be way to fix it. Got an Ergodox EZ, which is basically like their first version of the moon lander. Split keyboard, thumb cluster. Hands felt much better, like after getting,

that and then saw a prime try out concavity and I was like I'll give it a try I'll give it I'll give it I'll give concavity a try you know what I mean but I didn't want to do Canesis because I wanted to still be able to use QMK which was like the thing to program the keyboard a little bit just because I wanted to

test out some different stuff and do a few like some small customizations there I think Gnesis pretty much has all of the stuff like that on the pro so you can yeah yeah but even now like I don't do anything super crazy with mine It was just like stuff like if I tap the Z key, it types Z, but if I hold it, it's control. I'm gonna normally. What ZMK? It's like a way to write code that goes onto the keyboard to control like what happens when you press certain keys.

Oh, gotcha, got you gotcha, got you. Yeah, so you basically like load it up, you flash it onto your keyboard. Oh, that's the one of my Voyager, I could use like some. Yes, exactly. They probably had QMK or ZMK one of the two. And basically it's like a, it's like a bill. system where like you they they make it really easy to flash it onto a bunch of different keyboards but have a bunch of like shared kind of like library basically for doing stuff so it makes it really easy to do stuff like you know when i tap z it types a z key when i hold it it does control

which i like because then i'm just like stretching my pinky like less what do you do if you want to just like say that someone's sleeping like you want z i just type i just type several zes i just tap, tap, tap, tap, yeah, yeah, exactly. No, he'd use his pinky case. He wouldn't use his first finger because he knows how to type. Remember how we talked about it? Okay, this is really, I don't know. Like, are you guys, like, super fast typists or something?

Okay, J is by far the fastest of the typist, but I'm a hundred and 20 average. I think T.J. is like 140 average. I can type, like, 150 to 160, like, if I'm really focused. And then, but, like, regular typing, like, yeah, 140, like, all hit consistently with 100% accuracy. I have a question. When you're growing up on the internet. Did you guys ever do the uppercase lowercase typing? Yes.

What's that? Yes, I do with the shift. Yeah. I properly hold the shift on which side. Trash, I wrote a yield-in plugin that does it automatically. Oh, you can just type and it will switch cases every other letter depending on your column. So you can just type it and then it'll do it SpongeBob and Vim. Okay, I actually have a side story real quick.

Okay, hit it. Yes. When AOL first came out way back when, there was these anime chat rooms. Shocking. This is going to our whole. place. So in these chat rooms, you could have like, so yeah, you usually do the classic ASL, but in these anime chat rooms, like, for instance, I would always join just like Dragon Ball Z-1, you could have actual like battles, like you could fight them, right? Okay. And the way you represent

that would be like, I'm going to type it in in chat real quick. Oh my God, I can't type because there's too much pressure. So you do like something like that. So look in chat. So it's like colon, charging spirit bomb or whatever and you're just sitting here in this chat with just like a bunch of random people just doing that over and over and you're just like dodge colon colon, dodge, colon, colon, jump.

And I got really like fast at typing with that. How do you win, try? Yeah. Like, do you get kicked out of the chat room? You're just saying, whoever gets the phone call first to kick them off line ends up losing. That's just larping. I thought you were saying they had some complicated text-based adventure Dragon Ball Z game,

but no. Oh, yeah, it was, yeah. I don't know. I'm just like, I do like that idea, though, Twitch chat, Dragon Ball Z, and if you lose, you get banned. It's just like,

charging spirit bomb. All right, I got a couple more keyboards for you guys. Just do it. All right. Well, really, it's just a couple more switches because I have several of them. So I also played around with the glove 80. So this one is like ultra-thin,

ultra-light. And so if you want to get into these ones, it's a lot cheaper. and a kinesis. I would move it when I type just because it was too light for me and I kind of type with the power hand. You know, like my fingers come in at like a high speed.

And so I'd actually lift the keyboard really hard when he types. So like for a lot of you, chat, it probably would not be an issue. Yeah. Yeah. For me, it's, this is like a me personal issue.

But these are Browns, if I'm not mistaken. I'd have to pull off a keycap to find and I don't have a little tool and I don't want. I hate trying. Are those replaceable switches? Are those replaceable switches are hard, hardwired? Uh, but most of these are all hardware. I'd assume this is all like,

these are, on the Kinesis, it's all like burnt in. They're not hot swappable ones. You can't do anything like that. And so, with this one here, let me turn up the proper microphone.

This would be some browns. Because I know everyone loves the sound. So here you go. Here's some browns for you. Browns on a thin body. So the guitar acoustics aren't as good. Yeah. Yeah, they're pretty clicky for a brown.

Yeah, they're clicky, but they're also clangy, right? They're not even clicky. Yeah. Here's some reds. Or actually, these are some browns on a canese. It's kind of the same.

Yeah, it's a little better, maybe. A lot of plastic clack in there. And then here is a 60 with some whites. That's better. So what's the white key? Is it like in the same level as blue? It could be the mic as well that's kind of giving it a little bit more thawing to it. Why are you not just doing it on your...

Hold it to the microphone you have right in front of your lips. I know, but it's not as, it doesn't pick it up as easy. No, that sounds perfect. It's way better sound. That's way better. It's a thousand times better. Oh, that's it's a thousand times better. It's like a different keyboard.

That sounds good. Stop before trash goes too far. Wait, time, go back and run us back on the other ones. So that was a white. So that was a white. This is, these are pinks. It literally sounds like my kids are running around upstairs. I don't know these colors existed.

Pinks? I don't even. These are. You never heard of pink before trash? It's a color. These are jades as Casey is familiar with. Oh, those are, yeah, they do sound pretty heavy. You're so stupid.

And then, let's see, these would be. be, actually, these might be brown or red. I don't know and I don't have a thing to pull off the keyboard cap. I'll be honest, they all sound the same at this point. Chat, chat going, can confirm pink is a color. Yeah, these ones definitely, the glove 80 definitely has like the It's worth noting that there's like, the color doesn't really tell you much because there's like 50,000 different switches that are all pink, but.

These were kale box pink. Box pink, okay. So slightly more forgiving than the box jade. Yeah, they're very heavy, though, and they definitely have a much more like a thump sound. Like they don't, they're not nearly as clackety-clickety as the box jades. What's a box pink box? We just described what a box is. Like, that's why we're all impressed by it.

It's the thing that allows it to be more stable. Oh, we don't have to. When you wiggle it. Yes. Yeah, we don't have to explain it again. He's going to forget 15 minutes anyways. I don't have a box, I don't think. These things are wiggly, wiggly.

Yeah, most switches are. are not box switches, but there are, for people who really want the key not to move at all, it just goes only up and down and never side to side at all. Is that actual problem for someone? It's not a problem or not. It's just, do you like that? Like, if you put those in there, you may find that you like it better. You don't want, you like it to not kind of move with your finger.

Now that I'm conscious, like, it's like super noticeable. Yes, and so some people don't like that for you. I just about to go buy three new keyboards. Yeah, I get some new ones. I got some boxed. something. Hey, hey, fellow kids. Hey, guys, check this out. No wiggle.

Have you guys heard of box switches? I mean, they're all the, I think they're pretty cool. I don't know if you guys have heard of them. Yeah, just got my new box switches in. There's no big deal. Anyways, what we're talking about today? How much money is too much money to spend on keyboards? Like, where is the cutoff line?

Well, it depends a lot on, I haven't looked at what the kind of prices are recently, but I'm imagining with all crazy stuff like tariffs and all these sorts of things. A lot of this stuff is like you order it from some random place in Taiwan or something, and who knows how that's been affected. So at least back when I bought these, you can build a pretty darn good keyboard with whatever switches and keycaps you want and a nice solid body and all that sort of stuff. If you're anything north of 200, you're probably a little overspending, Maybe, but, you know, certainly for over 300, you're probably spending way too much money.

And this is good because if you buy one that's in the reasonable range there, you're, like I said, you can use these forever. Like, they last. They're so durable. And so even in the time that I've just had these, I would have had to have bought two of the old kinds of keyboards I used to have. So these ended up actually being cheaper, even though they're much fancier. because the base price isn't really all that different, but they last so much longer. Question. I have a big question. How many hours did it take for you to put in all the spray foam and everything else? Well, you know, this is really a question of experience because now I can do one of these in 30 minutes. Wrecked, Brian. Yeah. And I have. I've done it because I sent one to John Blow, for example. I made a keyboard for him. You want to try ceramic keys?

Did you put trash as kind of keys on there? You're making keyboard? You should definitely put some anime on there. No. And so, like, when I've built so many of these now, I've built like three of them total, I guess. And the first one was very slow. The second one was pretty fast. The third one was quite fast.

So I can just do them now. But when you first do it, you don't know what the heck is going on, right? And the instructions are terrible. So you're, you know, if there even are any, which a lot of times there aren't. So you're just like, you just have these pieces. You're like, okay, where does this go? and eventually you go, oh, that goes, I see. You take apart this part of the PCB, you put that inside it, you put it back down, like, okay, I get it, right?

Once you know that, you're just like, the longest, the thing that takes the longest is pulling the key caps and the switches. That's what takes the longest, because you've got to, it's a hundred plus of those, right? Do you have to solder them yourselves, too? No, no, no, they're clicking. Oh, they're hot-wop-moop. Do you guys loob the keys and stuff? I've never loop the key. Trash.

Dude, relax, okay? We do not need to be talking about. that with your keys, okay? Dang. These lubbed thick hentay keys that trash is working on. I was asking a real question. No, I think mine are trash.

Yeah, but they can't, no, no, no. You can't think they are because lube doesn't last forever. Well, they used to be. Yeah, you can overloob too and they get sticky. Yeah, there's factory lubed ones that just come that way.

Oh God, the phrases are terrible. Are you okay, Casey? Yeah. Daisy, this is a family friend. friendly show, okay? There's factory-lobed ones, and those would just be the way they are right when you get them. But then, yeah, people do the way you said it, it was just like, it was very, like, dirty. I didn't even know what to do with it.

You're, like, very aggressive. But if you want to loom them yourself, yeah, then you're getting in there. You're getting right in there, and you've got to do every little key, your own, and you've got to work it up and down to make sure that the lube gets all in there the way it should. And so that's a bigger investment. So I don't do that. And I don't mind the feel of the ones currently, but I'm sure some people are like,

oh, man, if they're not lubed, then it's just not. It's not the sign. Not good at all. Do you trash? Do you loop them up? So the GMMK one, this one, so I didn't even know anything about lubing until I got this thing. This thing was over-lobed.

I like hit the space bar as soon as I opened it, and it just like stayed pressed down. And I was like, what the heck is wrong? on this keyboard. I paid so much money. So then I opened it up. I just like saw all this like loob everywhere and I was just like, what did they do? No, wait. How did that make any sense? How does lubing make it

not? Because like it was like globed. It was like just globbed up. So like when you push it, it just like almost felt like, you know when you like squeeze an umbers glue bottle and you just put way too much on there? That's basically what it looked like. Relatable scenario. Yeah. Why did they do that?

What happened? Was it just a screw up? I don't know. But right now the W1 one gets sticky, that's why I stopped using it. I was too lazy to open it, so I bought a new keyboard. That's what it does. All right. What is wrong with you? What do you mean what's wrong with me? I'll sell this one too. If anyone else, this one. This is just, this is just turning into trash sells keyboards. Trash is doing a virtual garage sale. I love it. So, this was supposed to be a gear episode, but all we talked about was keyboards, and it's basically over. No, no, I don't think there's anything else we need to talk about, because I don't find mice that

interesting. I mean, generally speaking, I use a keyboard to type all day, so if I have to use a mouse, I don't, I don't really care. Like, the magic mouse, I find actually super inconvenient, because you can't really touch it. The moment you touch it incorrectly, it's just like, oh, hey, I swiped left for you, Doc, I got it, and you're just like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I don't want that.

Dude, then why buy such a stupid mouse? Like, why not just have a tactile button instead of some weird, touchy stuff? Stop attacking me? Because it's magic. It's a magic mouse. This is literally how I scroll like a phone. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Hold on, hold on. I scroll my phone. You pick up your mouse like a phone. No, no, no. I'm just showing you because I got to show the camera. Oh, my goodness. I'm like this. I'm like, I thought you were saying you just literally, every time you want to scroll,

you're like, bro. Next stand up, I'm just going to be here and look at a website. Computer. It's going to be a computer. computer, please scroll the image now. Open Vim. No, no, no.

Open Vim. Order Henta keycaps. Pre-lobed. Oh, wait. I just like, that made me just... Or order or order Hentai... What did it make you think of?

Trapes pre-loop. All right. We're going to have to end this episode. Okay. That's fine. Now. Is there any other hardware that you find is super important?

ride feet pedals, or little pedal. Let's talk about it on a different episode. I want to talk more about the rest of our setups. But we're going to talk for two hours about it. Okay. Well, we also got to talk. This is also because everyone on here is doing like streaming

in things. We have to talk stuff like microphones too, right? Like there's... I know. None of us know what we're doing out here. Okay, like not... Are you serious? I want to ask Casey.

Yeah, yeah. Casey, you don't know this? Yeah, Casey, I just want you to explain. Your stream setup video was the first thing that I ever used. Wait, what? Are you serious to you? You need to help us with this, yeah. Can't hear anything.

I don't have that phone's up on. That super crappy one where I had the lights around the thing? Well, it just gave me some inspiration for stuff to try out, but yes. Like, that was when I was first starting like five years ago. All right. I found your video. Okay, then I guess we do have to talk about this. Yeah.

You guys are pros. You should have all the things and all the, you should know all the things that there are in the world. I've got a ring light. Pretty cool. All right. Yes. I'm using an iPhone for my camera. What?

No joke. This is this right here. This is iPhone. It's really good. All right. By the way, chat, Casey, Casey, everyone wants to, or Bisco really wants to know.

Can you please ask Casey what kind of key cap profile he likes? DSA, cherry. Then there's a Lipsy at the end, but it was only two dots. I assume that's a Lipsy. Yes, I apologize for not remembering. I had to look this up when I was ordering them, and now I've forgotten.

I will try to show you the profile here. but I forget exactly which one it was. Figure it out, Chad. Put that in AI. You got it. I can post this after because, like, yeah, there's, I tried actually the real, there's ones that are very, very tall. Like, and I tried that for a little while.

And I did like one of the things, here's the thing about keyboards. This is like to bring it all the way back to the beginning where we started from. One of the things about keyboards that is underappreciated, I think, if you are, a programmer or even just someone who does a lot of work on a keyboard. Variety actually is pretty cool. And maybe not if you're in the ergonomic zone where you're like, no, I'm all about, like, I've got to get it set up just for, you know, I'm trying to minimize hand pain and maximize words for a minute and whatever else, right?

Okay, maybe not because you want it completely repeatable. But for me, it's like, oh, you know, having a variety where like, maybe I'm going to switch out my keycaps. Maybe I'm going to switch out my switches. I'm going to go clicky for a month, right? It's actually fun. It just makes it fun to type to have different stuff, right? And so I did try for a little

while, taller key caps that were more and they were the cupped kind. So the profiles, there's a bunch, you know, the key parts with names I never remember because I just don't, you know, if I was building keyboards every day, I'd remember, right? But you do it every year or something, you don't remember what all the names are. There's

ones that are very cupped. Your fingers and trash, I don't want to give you any ideas, but they cup those fingers. They are snug. They just make you feel like you are on a loving, the loving embrace of a cloud like pillow. Cloud. Not where my head was going, but yeah, I agree. That. Yeah.

Anyway, those, they feel really great. They really do, but the typing experience isn't as good. This is too high for me. and I felt like there was too much travel so I didn't end up sticking with those but again it's fun for a month right and so there are so I have enjoyed

the other kinds of key caps in the past and I've also tried the the super low profile ones I just come back to the more classic standard ones pretty much every time because I just you know again I'm trying to get back to the old Amiga feel that's what I'm

looking for Amiga of course means girlfriend so I guess that ties back into the trash That works for you, trash. That works for the thing. But yeah, that's how I... So sorry, chat, but I'm pretty bog standard on the profile thing. Okay.

So what about grams, like pressure? Is there a specific amount that you find to be too much or too little? Because, you know, like riding with the pinks, they're like 65 or 75. And my box jades are like 55. And I actually feel such a difference that right now it hurts my right wrist. So I actually have two separate keyboards. I like the sound of pink on one side. And then I go, I go click you.

on one side, more chunky on the other side because it's kind of fun. And so I kind of do both. And I was wondering, especially since you hot replace them, do you ever do like a mixture of them? So each key kind of has a bit of a little, little, you know, fun to do. All right, sorry, I muted him.

This is, chat. Sorry, we're going to end the episode right here. We're going to just move up. So I have them both. Prime, you're back now. You're back. They can hear you again. I actually stun-locked.

Poor trash. like trash, just like, ugh, ugh, oh, so I, I have to admit my recollection

was that pink, so jades are actually more, they're harder than pinks, was my recollection, meaning a jade is, has more,

uh, I don't you want to call that, the pressure, it was, grams, I don't know how grams work with pressures, but it says g's. I thought that for some reason,

my recollection was that jades were harder than pinks, but if they're either way, I did try both of those. So I tried doing a whole keyboard jade and a whole keyboard with the box pinks. Both box jades and box pinks. And I found that both of them

were too much for me. I didn't like having to push that hard on the switches. Separate from the clickiness, which I, like I said, I like the variety, some of them like, I might do clicky for a little while. But, you know, I tend to come back to silence, but I'll do it. it sometimes. I found it was too much. However, important caveat, when I built the keyboard for

John, those were ceramic keycaps, and ceramic keycaps are extraordinarily heavy. Like, they are way heavier than the standard, like, plastic keycaps that we all typically use. And on those, I actually pretty much had to use on the bigger keys. He usually likes blue switches, so I think I used a Gatoron Pro Blue. I don't remember exactly what switch was, but it was a blue switch.

But on the bigger keys, like on the return key and the space bar and things like that, I had to use Jades because the blue could not hold the key up. It was too squishy feeling because they were so heavy. The space bar on those

ceramic is so heavy. So it does depend a little bit on what you're putting on top of it, I think. Although presumably not as much if you're not going so ridiculous like a ceramic keycap. But yeah, for me, I don't like going for the Jage or the Box Jax or Box Pinks. They were too much for me. Huh. Brian, I think you're not min-maxing enough. I think we need to go back to the drawing board.

We need to get per key different swings. for you. I would love that. I would love that. I think like you're men, you're not min-maxing enough right now. Does anyone sell an ergonomic keyboard with the swapable, with hot swappable?

I think when it comes to concavity, they're all, they're all non-hot swappable. I can understand why, but it's too bad because it would be nice if you could just, you know, tweak them. We could go on a, we can go on a 3D printing arc.

There could be a 3D printing arc here. You know, it would be kind of cool to be able to be like, hey, I 3D printed this. And then I put, in the center I have the heaviest because that's where I'm like that's where I'm cross you know because I

because just like a professional boxer like I don't aim to punch the front of the face I aim to punch the back right and so when I when I type I'm not trying to hit the key I'm trying to hit through the key so I actually bent the metal yes I bent the metal on what's called

my MacBook Pro when I used to use a MacBook because I would actually slap of the slap of the space bar so hard that there was a warp in the metal when I would type because I would just I just love smashing it. I just smashed it. It's so hard.

When I'm in the zone coding, I am pounded in that keyboard. I have broken multiple keyboards because I just take them to pound town every time. I'll be pounding. I'll be pounding. Hell yeah, brother. Hell yeah.

Well, you know, this, we were talking about terminal.com. Where is the prime approved official 3D printed keyboard? Like, why is that not an item that can be ordered by the chat? Because I would hate to get into the business of printing keyboards.

Yeah. Like there's just no amount of money you could pay me to be like, hey, do you want to just like make keyboards for a living? It's like, no, I don't want to solder, print. Yeah. Yeah. Trust me, any product we make or sell, we are not having you be a critical piece of the pipeline of getting it from purchase to your customer.

I would agree that the only person that needs to be a critical piece is somebody outside of our company that that's all they do. Okay. We're on that. I'm on that team. Fair enough. Why is everyone laughing at that? It's kind of just a jerk move right there.

Well, because it seemed like they were very, they were suggesting that somehow it would be unreliable if you were involved in producing anything from the pipeline. And I'm like, that was kind of, you know, it was a bit of a background. I don't think anyone was thinking Prime was going to hand solder all the ones on the shop. That wasn't the, we were saying just for you, you could make one. We could go on a 3D printing arc. But this is like, you guys will appreciate this.

I got to tell them one story because I know. that chat and trash in case who will appreciate this. When we were going to Miami, like a few days before, all of a sudden, prime messages in Slack, he's like, hey, guys, do we have an Airbnb? I could just go get one right now. No, I did not say that I said, hey, TJ, do you have an Airbnb?

C.C. Dax, because I wasn't sure if Daxes already booked everything or not. So I actually did it that way. That was like a very concerned thing, like helping you, TJ. Like I thought maybe we were on our own because last year we were on our own. so I'm out there like actually being a good friend and if I'm wrong, Dax will correct me and so they made fun of me from there on out like I was going to book the whole house. No, I take

Teage for that exact reason. I just liked the implication one that we were waiting on you to book the Airbnb. Well, that was the main thing that was correct. It was like within the week before. You know, Prime, you try to be a nice guy and this is what they do. Dude, I know, I got a bust so hard for like

for days they made fun of me on that one. It was pretty funny. Where's Airbnb Prime? Dude, I literally reached out to TJ and then ensured that our team planning lead knew that I was talking about. To be fair, within one like screen page like scrolling up was the message

with the reservation to the Airbnb. Okay, that's fair. That's fine. That's fine. He already said he doesn't know how to use the magic mouse to scroll up. True. He was not holding his mouth sideways and thumbing up. Yeah, I definitely had the reservation.

Hold on. I got you. Jarvis. Jarvis, reservation. Reservation, please. Airbnb reservation. Siri? Siri?

Do we have an Airbnb? Siri, where am I? This is not okay. He's going to bring this around with me all the time. It's part of me. All right. All right. I think we need to end it there.

I do. I agree with you guys. It needs to be over. It needs to be over. Ladies and gentlemen, if those of you at home are interested in keyboard stuff. I unfortunately highly recommend it.

It's a lot of fun, but be prepared to waste way too much time on it if you get into it. That is all there is to say. Find the keyboard that's right for you, even if it involves Hentee keycaps and whatever the heck else. I don't know.

It's okay. If you're as far in the episode, you must love Casey a lot. Don't forget to check out Meow the Infinite and the Kickstarter for him. Whoa. Whoa. Does everybody know this?

Meow. Yeah, we talked about it while you were gone. Yes, if you do, our Kickstarter is live. If you are looking for a graphic novel series for you and your kids, actually, it is all ages. It's a great story, beautiful artwork. MeowtheInfinite.com, come check us out. We got all kinds of great stuff on there. And yeah, thank you guys for letting me mention it, actually.

We really appreciate it. Yeah. Very good. Very good. Trash, you got anything you do? I've been almost done with the second one. You got anything? I'm just kidding.

He does actually. Trash did. he's speaking at a conference that sounded cool. Yeah, his talk sounded cool. Really? What is it called? What is it called?

I'm speaking at Render Atlanta. Oh, cool. So, I assume Render Atlanta must be about, like, using the canvas and cutting edge. Yeah, of course. Duh. For rendering. What is it about?

Is that right? It is. What's the talk to be on? It's just a huge tech conference in Atlanta. I don't think it's, like, specific to, like, rendering or anything. What's your talk? What's your talking beyond? Yeah, what is it about?

My talk is called WTF TypeScript, and I'm going to go into all these. these weird obscure things. Trash, run it back for us after. On the stand-up, I want the WTF TypeScript. I want you to run that back for us. I'm like debating how many memes is too many memes for a talk because I'm like loading that boy up.

So I don't know. Trash, we'll set up a scene so it looks awesome alive and we will be on the side like an audience and you should you should just run it for us. You can even do your test presentation on it so that way we can like correct anything you want, any live feedback. It'd be pretty sweet. I don't think it's stream. Is that what you're getting it?

No, we're saying on here. Yeah, the stand-up. We want to hear your talk. Oh, it's not done. I'm not finishing it until like the day off the cuff. That's what, Trish, that's what I said after. Don't worry. I was not going to make you like a good feedback, but I guess.

Okay, okay, got you got you got. I think Prime was trying to be helpful if he was thinking that perhaps you had finished the lexer. I'm actually really stressed out because I've only done like, I've done small stand-up talks, but for big ones, I've only done them virtually. so like if my jokes don't land I'm gonna know here's a terrible part and I'm gonna be like I'm literally gonna melt

into the state trash if you fly me out I'll laugh really loud at your jokes oh we could be plants in the audience some laugh machines throughout the audience so so trash

here's a little bit of a warning whenever you're doing a live talk it's also sometimes hard to hear the audience so you may be getting some nice little chuckles like that's pretty good but you're not gonna hear any of that

It's going to be quiet. So unless if they're rioting out in the audience, you're just not going to hear it. And so don't, you know. Well, if they're not rioting, I'm upset. Okay. Because it could be hitting home. It just may not be like belly laughing.

I'll report back on one of the standups all defeated. How you doing out there, Atlanta? Yeah. Silence. I'm just going to start off by getting the city wrong. I swear. It's going to be great. Trash, start off with getting the city wrong.

Oh, God. Yeah, that's great. What's up Alabama? I love how he said, the city wrong and then you set a state. DJ, that was beautiful. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, it would be so good.

I'm sure there's a city somewhere called Alabama. That's good. He was talking about Alabama, Wisconsin. Everyone knows that. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Great talk, everybody. Moot up the day. Five caught. Errors on my screen. Terminal. coffee and him.