The Standup with ThePrimeagen - The Robots are getting Hacked | The Standup

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

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Today we're talking robots, okay? And not just any robots. Robots with a massive exploit. An exploit so juicy and so hilarious that they just completely went dark, didn't talk to anybody, and we're going to find out all about it today. And so, Casey, why don't you give us a little bit of a walkthrough? Because you're the one that found this sweet, amazing article. And so why don't you kind of give us a bit of a walkthrough of what happened,

and then we kind of can go from there? Yeah, and I'll be completely honest. This one was a bit perplexing to me. I don't work with robotics, so it's a little out of my comfort zone. But I saw it. It was actually a security research. You know, you know how security research firms. They publish these, like, white papers that are like, hey, we hack the crap out of, like, you know, the Jeep Grand Cherokee or something, right?

Like, they publish these sorts of things all the time. And some of them are pretty severe. Some of them aren't. But it's basically the way security research people make a name for themselves, gain publicity. You know, like, it's how they demonstrate that they actually know what they're doing. and you might want to hire them for whatever it is that, you know, you hire security research firm for. And they published this white paper that was basically on, or tech report, what it was probably a better term for it, on how they took this humanoid robot by a company called Unitry, which I guess is a Chinese company,

and they did a security analysis on it. And one of the reasons that they did that is, I guess normally, like humanoid robots, there aren't that many people who sell humanoid robots, but the people who do, I guess typically they're not sold as active secure actors, meaning they don't, they just, they just come with like, I think the default configuration, if you bought one as a consumer of humanoid robots for some reason, you would just get one that didn't really have any security protocols or connectivity or anything. It just have like the firmware and some stuff built in and you were going to do whatever you're going to do with it. If you wanted to secure it,

you'd secure it, whatever. But I take it these unitary ones, they have a security subsystem. It's supposed to all be encrypted. It's supposed to be secure. So that's like a different, it's not common, I guess, for robots was what I gathered from this. Which, however. That seems really bizarre by the, can we just stop on that? Look at all these engineers sitting at their neat little desks. It takes dirty work to keep a code base clean.

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Next week on MergeCop. The Diffler's out there, and I'm going to be the one to deprecate them. How is there not secure? in a exceptionally high liability, like, zone here. Because this is, this is something with arms and legs and possibly LMs wandering around in your, in your house, around children, around construction workers, around whoever, you know,

who knows? Like, how is this not like... No, the default when, when they're selling it, I think, is like to not, not these guys, but like if it's in general, you're selling it, I think, to some manufacturing facility who has a fleet of embedded engineers who put their own things. on top of it to do stuff for your like manufacturing system. Oh so this is like the chrome of robots. Right.

Like it's not like it comes pre-programmed to then like I can build cardboard boxes or something like that. Like it comes as like a I can move arms and legs. You have to plug in and then tell me what to do is my guess. I mean that's generally I feel like what you see for like a lot of embedded stuff here is like these companies have huge like embedded engineer teams who then write firmware and software and a bunch of stuff to make it work for your thing. Could be wrong.

Yeah, that was my understanding as well, was that like normally, you know, because it's only, you know, previously it would be only a sophisticated consumer, like a factory or research team that would be buying one of these things. They don't come with any kind of like preconfigured this is exactly how it will operate literally. It's expected that you're going to go do that. And so you would secure it and you would run whatever you wanted to run on it and those sorts of things. And so I imagine that this is the sort of thing we're going to start seeing more of now what happened with this unitary thing. Because people are going to, with all the AI boom and all of this, the money in it, people are going to be trying to sell more and more of these to more and more people. Like, oh, you just buy the humanoid robot and you show it the task and the, you know, AI training system just like learns to do it and you don't have to be sophisticated, right? I mean, so I'm guessing, yeah.

Yeah, this is basically like how IOT happened, right? It's like before you would have like some hardware supplier who gives you like a set of cameras and then you would be like, okay, we've got our own guys to maybe like build something or do. And then it's like, oh, sick, you want to buy 50 cameras? Cool, you just bought a bot net. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're about to get mined for your own, your own hardware. So does that mean I can just buy a robot? Yes, trash.

I can just go buy a robot. Well, I mean, this is actually shocking to me because my understanding, I just assumed that if I do buy one, it's already going to be secret to realize it would actually be like some raw, like, interface for someone to build something on top of. So that's kind of scary, but I'm also, I kind of want to buy one. Well, that's what unitary is ostensibly trying to solve, right? Is they're saying, like, we will give you a humanoid robot that can do tasks. That's what I'm saying? So my first thought when I read this article is like, if I hack someone else's robots, what would I do with them?

And what was your answer? Yeah, what was your answer? Probably, like, the laundry, like, at my house and then, you know, clean my car. Like, very, very applicable, very applicable things to my life. Like, you know, clean my car. I don't know. Like, all those things. So, like, everyone's robots are walking towards California, and they all end up at Trash's house, and they're all just doing, like, there's hundreds of robots, like, attempting to mow his lawn and they're fighting over the lawnmower or whatever.

Yeah, like, it's time to do my fall garden. I need, like, something, somebody to go. pull out all the current plans, put the new ones in. So I was like, in my mind, I was like, this would be amazing if I just could hack everybody's robot. Right. It's like, like, trash is the world's worst supervillain. He, like, executes his master plan, and the entire result is like a well-manacured

law. It's like, literally Dr. Duke and truth. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. And when they're done, I put him back. So, all right. That's what I'm saying. That still makes you a bad guy, trash.

I gave it back, though. I'm like 50% bad. 50% bad, not 100%. Misdemeanor, not felony bad. You're like a loitering kind of bad guy. Not necessarily like manslaughter. Okay, by the way, Casey, we've massively interrupted you. Okay.

That's all right. So that's what the podcast, that's why we do this. I know, but I want to hear more about the story. People are confused. What is the story? What happened? So what happened was these unitary robots come sort of with pre-configured software, right? It's got a security suite. It's got all this sort of

stuff. It's got protocols that are set up for doing, they have various ones we've never heard of. Like, I'd never heard of these protocols, but they're for these kind of robotic applications, MQTT, and DDS. These are things for sharing, like, the state of the robot or, like, the LiDAR

sensing from the robot, the camera images from the robot, like all these things they have, they have this stuff. And so, actually, there was more, like, the headline was something like, you know, wormable exploit allows an attacker to take over the robots.

And that was true. But believe it or not, that's not even possibly the worst of it. Like, that is the worst of it, but there's even more worse of it, right? So the first problem is the security is absolutely horrific. Like, it's got so, it's got so many problems with it. Like, for example, every robot uses the same private key for all the encryption. That private key is there's no initial. Visualization vector, and it's in electronic codebook mode.

So it's basically just like every block that you send is just flat encrypted with that private key, and the private key is the same for all robots. So as soon as you ever can decrypt like one, or even if she's want to replay attack, you can just send a block from your robot that is used to some other robot, and it will just do that thing because it's the same all the time, right? No initialization vector. And it was part of the password is literally unitary. The name of the company. The password. It is literally the admin, admin situation. It's WordPress.

That's something I would do. Going on in this robot. They had a, they had an LCD, like, they had a linear congruential generator step that is literally, it turned out to be RAND from the Linux. Like, it was literally Linux RAND, C, C, C, Lib C's RAND. So the parameters for the linear congregational generator, which is not, like, no one would ever use an LCG for a serious security thing as far as I know. But like if you were going to use one, you at least use different parameters than RAND, which everyone has access to the parameters. So there was that. The wireless setup, like the actual thing where you try to connect to the wireless on the device, you could actually just insert commands into that because they were unescaped and unchecked.

So you could actually get root access just by putting commands into the login for wireless. Like, it was just like, like, I was just, I was like, what is happening? It was so nuts. And all of that, all of that. And then it also turns out that it's by default configured to just send all its telemetry data to server, to hard-coded IP addresses in China while it's operating. Not, you don't have to exploit it for this. It just does that. That's for free.

Can we say that? I think the other thing that's crazy. about it. Well, first I have a question for trash. And then I have the next thing. So trash, I was wondering, just like, by any chance, did you happen to work on the password management system for this?

I don't know, but literally, my other reaction was like, yeah, this is something I would do. Like, I would totally just get at. I'd be so screwed. I'd be just with my robot one day and then it just starts, like, spanking me or something. One password's good enough for me, bro. It's good enough for my robots, too. Yeah.

Also, one little fun fact, we did leave out of that little description. As part of this whole thing, the security researchers who figured this all out, reported this to Unitary, who effectively just went dead silent on them. And so how they responded was tweeting out the private keys to the robot on Twitter, formerly known as Twitter, formerly known as Twitter, the Everything application. They just tweeted out to two private keys and that's that. So it's just like out there.

It's just for free. And then they just never responded to anything until like, what? a week ago, they made a LinkedIn post and just said, hey, we're addressing things. I'm going to go ahead and link to assume that they're not really addressing anything. Yeah. The thing, well, there's, there's a bunch of things. The other thing that's crazy that I think we didn't make super clear is, so this thing happens because of some like Bluetooth to Wi-Fi situation,

and setting up the robot with this. So because this is in this like Bluetooth wireless. thing. If you infect one of them and then that robot gets next to another robot, you can make it do the same exploit. It's literally the first computer virus. It affects the other humanoid robots by contact, which is so funny. It is like literally like stand six feet away or else your Bluetooth is taking over. That's right. You need a social distance to robots. Yes. They have to be Rage is Bluetooth range so that they can't get infected. If they put on mass, are they okay?

Yeah. It'd be good. Sorry. So the interesting thing about that, too, is it's just like, it's a good reminder a little bit of, we're entering a world now where the ability to exploit the things that we have is at an all-time high because software quality is like at like rock, rock, rock bottom. And the types of things we are building are starting to be able to do stuff like move between physical locations themselves. Things like drones, things like humanoid robots, things like cars that have like the ability to control their steering wheel and brakes, like, you know, self-driving.

So we're getting to the point where like the computers aren't contained anymore. Like Skynet is on the way, right? Like the things can come after you literally or after each. other in ways that was not previously on the roadmap, right? And we're not quite there yet. Like, there aren't enough things with this kind of autonomy yet, but we're pretty close, especially with self-driving cars and maybe with those like aerodrome things. There's enough of them now. It's starting to feel like not fabulous, right? And I don't think, I don't think there's a solution other than get your EMP devices ready, folks.

I've had this kind of like theory about how the world will end. And it's always been with robots. And it's always been with robots and exploits. Because this is like my idea is that we're going to invent robots one day that can fold their laundry. And then every person in a nation. Trash is laundry. Right. Trash's laundry specifically.

So then every person in a nation will have a robot that's just doing all the menial tasks. If you ever read Way of the Kings, Stormlight Archives, it'd be like the parchment, right? There's parchment everywhere throughout the entire and the entire, you know, you know, land. And then someplace, China or whatever, if they already have, it looks like, I mean,

honestly this unit tree is so bad, it looks like it's intentional. That's even what the article says. It's like it's actually looks like it's intentional at this point, that they have a back door that one day they can flip on, and then robots go into like not nice mode and hurt people. And then it's just like you have a robot within 15 feet of a person all throughout a country. You could actually have an entire country theoretically in this universe,

disappear. Like every last person just like just disappear in a day. in like 30 minutes, which is just never really been feasible. And now we're starting, like, at least in my personal sense, I just feel like I can see it actually possibly happening, just maybe not intentionally just by accent with how bad things are programmed. We're literally in a movie right now. It's literally what's happening.

No, we're on a podcast track. Okay. This is a podcast. It's a video podcast. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, okay? I also like, I don't, I mean, I'll be completely honest, but like I also just don't really understand.

I know why people do it because they just want money. But like I actually don't understand from like a humanistic perspective. Like I there are things that I don't want to do in life, but most of those we now already have reasonable automation for. And like I just don't fundamentally mind doing my launch. So if the question was, you can have a wormable robot army that could take over the world, or you could spend 15 minutes moving my clothes down to the washing machine, which already does the laundry for me. I just have to put it in.

I'm just like, what is wrong with people? Like, can't you think of something better to do with your life than make this stuff? I just don't understand. Like, we're kind of at the point where the things that humans are doing, a lot of it is things. that humans want to do or aren't that unhappy doing. It's not really like the days when we were doing backbreaking manual labor for like 12 or 14 hours a day. And it was like, oh my God, like being able to have something like an automated

harvesting machine would be absolutely amazing and transform our lives in meaningful ways. Now it's like, hey, yeah, you didn't have to actually go to the restaurant. The automated drone delivery picked up your like Chinese food carton and brought it to your door. It's like, okay, yeah, maybe that's worth doing if you can absolutely guarantee that like we don't have Terminator as the future. But if you can't, like, I could go to the freaking store and get my own Chinese food. Like, what the hell is wrong with you people? So at some level, I feel like we're at this point where people are creating Skynet for no, no actual reason. That, that's pretty funny. The whole time I was listening to that, I was like, man, I would

love not to do laundry. I was like, Casey hates me. Oh my Lord. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. Don't say in my way. I was like, I was like that. I would like that.

I would like it. It's worth it. I'm just kidding. Like realistically, I would never like I don't do the smart home stuff. I don't do any of that. I mean, I do like have like a car that has like the Wi-Fi stuff. But like I don't want to, I don't know, ping an API across the world to like open my fridge or something like that doesn't make any sense so be if I may like let me

just make sure I got this right so if the opening of Terminator was like the tank treads rolls over the human skull and it just crushes right so classic scene right and then like it's you kind of like over like you know with with some kind of like heavy weapon in your hands like pressed up against some like dirt bunker, right? And your face is all like half-blooded and like you've seen you've seen all this stuff. And you're there and you're like, man, war this war against machines is brutal

but it was worth it for those five years of Chinese food. Is that basically like how the opening the Terminator goes in your world draft? But it'll be funny is as I'm in the bunker a robot comes up to me and like hands me some food. And then I continue

shooting my blaster. Yeah, yeah. He's like not all robots got infected by the Bluetooth virus, man. Some are still delivering Chinese food well. But the workaround, did the article say the workaround is like use some like isolated Wi-Fi like that, like for now to like get rid of that? The worker, I mean, you can do a number of things, but anything. But if anyone comes close to it in blue, within Bluetooth range, right?

I mean, the workaround is run the exploit yourself and install better software. That's funny. That's the, that's the work around. So I'm going to be, I'm going to maybe put a little bit of a, water on your on your on your fiery speech there casey in the sense that um i actually have a much more black pilled uh viewpoint of success of software can you remind me which pills or which so black pill pill means like hopeless it's kind of like a hopeless view of software success in the sense is like like even if you just look at chat chippity chat jippity if you if you got sam altman in front of

congress being like i'm in it for the love of the game we're curing cancer we're taking it home boys we're going to make the world a better place fast forward two years later they're like Dude, we got SORA TikTok, and we're now doing erotica next, right? Like that? Yeah. It doesn't feel like software, like, goes to, like, these amazing heights. It always feels like it's just like, what's the most disappointing level something can get to? And it's going to get right below that and be slightly more disappointing.

Like, that's just what happens. And so it's like, oh, robots, they're coming. Yeah, and like 50 years, they might be different. But today, for the next five years, they're just going to be really bad at everything they do. So the black pill here is basically like, look, there's not going to be. Skynet because these things will just start tripping over themselves and they won't be able to shoot the gun. They'll try to shoot the gun and they'll just

fly backwards. You'll be more like this. You just think the incompetence will save us. Our own incompetence will both cause the robot uprising and stop it. It'll be like this. It'll be like, oh man, dude, the robot uprising was going to happen. But then I forgot my password to my Google account because I lost my phone.

So I like couldn't log in. And so then my robot couldn't turn on because I couldn't log into Google. I was like, man. It was so close. It does. It does feel that way a little bit with the AI stuff. They're like, you don't understand. It's going to write all the code in the world, and it's going to change everything.

It's going to revolutionize the world. And then later on, they're like, so we need you to watch these ads that we're going to insert in between the response to the chat to be. And you're just like, wait, what? Like, in what timeline did you need to do that if this stuff was that sophisticated? They're like, well, we just need a little more time to get there, I guess. Yeah. So anyways, I'm a little bit blackfield on the same. excessive software. Okay. Fair enough. Totally reasonable. That's actually not

horrible, I guess. It's not as bad as a robot uprising for sure. Yeah. That's true. Are there a lot of people that have these robots to begin with? I've got three. Oh. No, I just... They're pulling my laundry out now. They're just eyes at each other right now. Just huddle to the corner like I am legend. Like the vampire's like... He just pants his camera. Yeah. How do you guys think I have time for this podcast, bro? I'm laundering. maxing right now with my robot. It's a real concern, okay?

Yeah. They wrote this on the whiteboard behind me. Like, I'm not going to touch a whiteboard. A physical thing? Disgusting. I've got robots. I'm getting one. I'm getting one.

Yeah. What happens? Let's just pretend robots. I like the idea that like the AI bro like bragging list keeps getting like reduced in stack to like, yo man, if you're folding your shirts yourself, you're never going to get ahead in this world. Wait, how did we go from this? It'll be like the Sigma chat edits and it's like,

and the guy's like, folding your laundry takes 15 minutes every day. I don't do that. So you know what that means? 15 times seven. That's 105, 105 minutes a week times 50. 5,217 minutes a year that I have that you don't have. You got to keep up with. Was that an accurate number at there?

Was that 5,000 number accurate? I don't know, trash. I just was doing. I believe you. I was like, oh my God. His math is so hard right now. Trash, he said 105 times 50. What's 50 times?

Okay, never mind. We can just go on. Are you still doing math in your head? We have calculators for that. All the math I didn't do my head. I don't even know how much time I say, but my calculator does. So I'm going to run my calculator. And after it's done telling me how much time I saved, I'm going to yell at you about it.

Yeah, shut up, Boomer. In this house, calculators do math. Yes. What's 50 times whatever number he said? Ordering 12,000 banana. No, no, Alexa, stop, stop, stop. Hey, Siri. Let's get everybody's phone.

Oh, man. Okay, so let's just pretend for a second that all these things actually end up coming true. And we kind of start living more and more towards the AI bro world where you're just letting AIs write all of your code. you got AI's folding all of your laundry. Yeah. What are you going to actually do in life? Yeah, I always want to ask the AI bros that. Yeah.

So like when I have AI write my code, I have to do code review. But so do we have to start doing like laundry review with AI? Do I have to go back and make sure before we merge it into my, into my drawers? I'm like, all right. I go check it out. I got to get GitHub laundry hub. Laundry hub. Do you actually fold your shirt?

Do you fold your shirt? shirts when you this is what I do let me show you yeah let's see trash I have like laundry behind me that's my that's my

that's my new robot don't worry we can see it go like this and then I just go like that and then I just roll it up you're a roller full time

full time roll it and then I just have like a whole stack of them just like scrolls in a library libraries don't have scrolls trash like maybe like a thousand years ago

well they used to okay they used to well if you go to a good library they've got scrolls what kind of Library is you go to. You go to some stupid libraries.

I go to the British Royal Library and I read scrolls because I want the actual truth. If it's not on Popeye's You're not living life. If you read a book that's printed on a printing press, you're just reading something that was written by someone who read a scroll at some point and is regurgitating that to you,

probably with a bunch of lies from the establishment baked into it. Scrolls only. Everything came from scrolls. change my mind. That's like if you think software that's lasted a long time is more likely to keep being here tomorrow. Scrolls that have been here a long time are more likely to be relevant tomorrow too. So it's kind of big brain strategy that trash only reads scrolls.

I respect that trash. That's right. Yeah. Only scrolls. So question, can we try to get Claude Fold as a sponsor to this, like the first like laundry-based, like, large LLM? large laundry model. Can we get the first large laundry model provider to like sponsor this podcast where we've been talking so positively about laundry? Because I feel like that's where the money is going to be next, right? Like none of this like a video generation or whatever it is,

that's like that's not interesting. It's laundry, baby. Everyone's got it. Everyone needs to fold it. It's true. True. Not everyone has to write code, but everyone has to fold laundry. Prime asked a real question. So let's consider this. Let's try to, let's try to add some humanity back to this podcast. Sorry. I'm ready. He asked a real question, which was like, what do you do? And I do wonder this time, it's like, what do you want to do? Especially when you're talking about, you guys can explain this to me too. It's like, look, you guys were generating AI music. Like, music is something that humans are supposed to do for themselves, you know? It's like part of like the human experience is to like make music and like sing and

like play an instrument. And like a good question is like, it feels kind of dehumanizing to have an AI do it, whether you like the song that comes out of it or not, it's like, it feels a bit soulless. Comments? No, I agree with that. I agree with that. Okay, Casey, let me hit you with something just for a quick second. Hit me up.

When you generate AI music, you know what comes out? People's music. Yeah. It's stolen music, basically, yeah. Baby powder-covered slappers. Okay, we're talking about some of the finest music in the industry today. and you know why? Because modern music is

soulless, okay? And the AI can just regurgitate that stuff. So he's like, all right, you got four chords and just a snare drum. We got music, okay? Throw a little female vocals on it. Boom. I think, so that might be, that would be something I'd point out, right? Oh, go ahead.

Sorry, Casey. That would be a thing to point out. It's like, it's happening at the worst time because basically what we're doing is we're pouring gasoline on a bad fire, right? like we already kind of had this place where like modern music distribution was increasingly becoming about like, you know, how do you just generate another version of the latest random pop song? And, uh, and like now it's like literally generate, not just generate by having some producers in a room who monkey with the like thing. But now it's like, we just need an

AI that can generate that song again. Like, you know, did you, did you ingest all the Taylor Swift songs just put out another one of those, if you could please? Uh, and we, We don't even, you know, we're not even going to have, like, people actually work on it anymore. And I do think like that's kind of, I don't know, that's really unfortunate because I feel like we don't want to accelerate that trend, but we are sort of, or maybe, maybe trash, if you're right, what will happen is the opposite. Everyone in the world will just pump that stuff out and humans will become very bored of it. And then the actual value of music created by actual people will go up again. That could happen too. I guess I don't know.

I mean, all I do is listen to the music from 20 years ago, plus. I don't even listen to anything in this. Except where you love French Kiss and AI. Okay, that was one of the, that was a bopper. That is a good song. The thing I would say for it, though, is that I think, I don't know what the answer is to this, but I at least see like a parallel in that computers are way better at chess than humans are. but like a mildly good computer chess engine can beat Magnus Carlson is my understanding.

I'm sorry, Magnus, if you're out there listening to this pod and that's not true, I take it back. But definitely the best chess engines can still beat Magnus Carlson, right? And, but like chess is more popular than ever, right? Like, it's literally more popular. What's the most popular it's ever been? No, it's by far the most popular it's ever been. Like, you can look up.

watch chess streams and they have like these like internet chess tournaments and there's all this which was never possible. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just it's at least not like a, you know, sure thing that just because a computer can do something better than people that then we're like done doing it as humans. Like we still like playing chess. We still like watching people play chess. We still like learning chess and learning it for ourselves even though like I could just.

just look at stockfish every move. And then I would play a perfect game, but that's not like fun or enjoyable and there's no struggle or anything like that. So I think like maybe AI could be like for me, it would be sick. Like as someone who only can play drums, if I was playing more drums, it would be sweet to make the rest of the pieces of a song

and have AI play it and play drums along with it. Whereas I would never be able to like commission a bass player, a guitar player and you know like it would be cooler to be part of a band but like trash keeps not responding to my DMs so that's like one that's that's the best one sound right now dude next time wait what have we got a whole band here i can play keyboards what have we got i can play bass and guitar i can play dude we've got a band man we can play i didn't say i'm good i can play them like there's a band dude it would be pretty sweet to play some blue like if we just got

shot down and it's the blue song got clankers taking our jobs. What's going on? It requires a lot of talent. I think you're playing the guitar trash. We should do a live in person's day at a place and we will close it with a live song. Yeah, that's why I can play. I can do it. TJ has the same,

same desire that every pretty much high school boy has at some point, which is to be a famous musician. So if TJ could be on, like on stage right now. I was so close, guys. My band, emergency exits, we were so close. We almost made it. Okay. A.K.A. Sounds of Silver.

We could never decide, broke up the band after the name. It's a tough story. But, well, you know, it's what it is what it is. I did music for like three years touring. And then I'm not going to tell you anything besides that. We can find it out, Tresh. Yeah, we're going to. If you find it out, please do not broadcast.

Oh, no. What? No, it was fun. I did, like, a warp tour and some other stuff. It was pretty fun. I was going to say you were in an emo band, and now that you say you did Warp Tour, dude, I was just like, yeah. I was 100% emo band.

I had, like, snake bites. I like, my face was all pierced up. I like the long hair like that. Dude, the stand-up band is happening now. Trash, are you trolling me? It's happening. Yeah. Oh, my, trash.

Okay, you have to send us some stuff offline. I promise. That was my previous life. Yeah. We won't, we don't leak it. I have to see this. I have to see this. No, trash.

It is not your. previous life, it's your current life because we are starting this band. We are going to be awful, but it's going to be great. I don't know why I even broadcasted that information. That's crazy that you told me. I was like the word. I'm like real time regretting everything right now. I almost want to hang up. I hate it.

Which one was the worst? That realization that you just said that out loud or when you found out you were an Apple Shill live on the podcast? I find out a lot of things about myself on this podcast. It's a soul-searching experience. Yeah, I'm pretty sad about that. I'm glad that we have a future that is not very great, and I learned that Trash is a musician today.

I'm very excited about this. We should do a band. A bad one. I actually kind of liked what Teage just said. I feel like that's a pretty optimistic way of looking at it, and very, very, like, fitting with Teage's personality, which was just like, look, maybe we're going to end up with a lot of things being like chess, but who cares?

Because, like, humans can just do it. going to do it anyway. We are going to... Unless the machines get wormable exploits and kill us all. That one? True. That one is the worry. That one's not.

It's so good. But I don't know if you guys ever feel... I don't know if you ever feel this way. Like, I sometimes feel like... Like, I have a German Shepherd at home. She's like 60 pounds. She's not huge. But I'm like...

She like plays next to my little kids. And I think like, holy cow, like, that's kind of crazy. It's crazy that we like spend a lot of time fixing all of the bugs in the dog coding so now doggy very nice like yep you know and my kids can jump on this dog and like pull her ears and everything and she licks them instead of biting

their face off and you're like that's really cool I'm glad that I have German Shepard v. 65,000 yes but it's like are people I this makes like this article and just like thinking about it literally makes me think like maybe I

don't want robot version one, two, three, three, four, five, six, eight, nine, ten, like in my house. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's next to my kids. That's, like, freaky stuff, dude. It's kind of scary. Yes. Even if it doesn't get exploited, it's just, like,

somebody wrote some bad code, and it, like, steps down when it should have stepped over, and it's, like, humans are soft and squishy, and robots are big and heavy. Right. There's, like, there's, like, you know, you're watching the change log every week, and you see these, like, really disturbing things.

It's like, oh, yeah, Patch, uh, resolved the problem. where the robot would be standing over your bed holding a knife at night. It was just misrecognizing that as tomatoes. And they might eat your chop. And there were, you know, so sorry for everyone who got spooked out by that. But don't worry, we've like, we've fought fixed that one. Should be rolling out anything out yet.

One thing we would suggest for the next two nights before it updates everywhere is just keep your bedroom doors close, preferably locked if they have the kind of handle that you can push down on. And we'll just leave it at that. Yeah, just don't dress in red. You won't be mistaken by. Yeah, exactly. If you have any small, round red children, we would just keeping them out of the house. Yeah.

That's such a good skit. Someone has to make that. I also think what's hilarious for this, like, unitary one is it's like the patch notes still haven't dropped the LinkedIn thing that they posted was like, hey, we are about to roll out a patch that fixes most of these issues. If I recall, that was like the exact wording from the LinkedIn post, which is insane. Because it's like, what do you mean, one, about to roll out? We haven't rolled out the fix for this.

And number two, what do you mean most of the issues? Yeah, yeah. Like actual questions like for like these units your robots. Okay, go ahead. Sorry, sorry, just for T.J. Exactly from LinkedIn. We immediately begin addressing these concerns and have now completed the majority of fixes.

Majority. Yeah. That means over 50% by the way. That's what majority means. Just what we're like 51% of the fixes. We've got those. They can only be hacked within 10 feet of each other now. Is there actual like consumers of this outside of like researchers just trying to break it and stuff?

Like I just don't know anybody. It's made to order. Like I can just go on there and order one right now. How much is a robot? $7,900. How much? Oh my God. $67,900 for a G1 robot.

So there's like dozens of people. The scary one though trash was that a police department bought one of these for like the dog thing to test it out. Like they have a dog version. Oh, the dog. I've seen the dog one. Yeah, yeah. Bro, the government's going to get these. And then what's going to happen then?

It can like leak everything inside of the like, it can go inside of the police department and then or can go wherever. The government owns it. And it's like, oh, we just accidentally hacked the entire police. department or like we sent all of the audio visual data to our servers because like they have cameras and microphones and they can do. They're going to find trash as a rest record for

when he trashed the hotel room. That's where he got the name trashed probably when he was on tour with his band that we're not supposed to know about. The leaky faucets. Yeah. The leaky faucets. The wet bandits. That could be our band name.

Yeah. Can we put the Grammy award winning as part of the band title? like the Grammy Award winning stand-up band My grandma loved when I was in a band So that's a Grammy award-winning band You don't have to use the term Grammy

We can just say award-winning band Because T-J, you just won an award You have a trophy I have a trophy I have a trophy A word for what? I got a Netflix trophy Love it, love it

I want a hack day, loser I got one right here Love it Right here Award winning open source developer look at that trash don't tell me that ain't award winning dang dang trash go break my tooth what age group where you guys were you playing in this is for uh breaking legs buddy okay breaking legs award nice 14 plus breaking legs award

award that's it i'm scared of the robots i would be worried but i do kind of want to I mean, what else is there to say? There's not a lot. We said it all. We said it all. Hopefully I'm dead before this apocalypse happens. I'm glad I'm old. I'm actually glad I'm old.

You're eating Doritos, bro. Hey, man, I'm working out, all right? Okay. Trashashy. I don't know if that counteracts what Doritos do to you. I switched to pirate booty today. So. Just today?

Health conscious reasons. Yeah, well, I went to, I went to Disneyland with my kids, so I bought like a huge box of these. And then now they're, in my office, so I'm just going to town. I can't stop myself. I can't stop myself. Sorry, kids, I'm eating your snacks. Where did Prime go? I just had to walk away for a second. I just can't even believe what I'm seeing right now. You literally, that was like you couldn't take it. You couldn't take the pirate booty box? I just can't take the fact that he has a full, full-ass pirate booty box next to his desk, and then he also pulled up like multiple wrappers that are empty.

And he argued with TJ about making health conscious decisions like working out. I'm hungry. I'm hungry. I ate a bagel had lots of protein in it. Okay. Okay. Pagels are not a good source of protein. Did you have a... I know. I'm gonna eat like a steak or something later. Okay, all right. Okay, okay. I'm gonna work out today too. I'm gonna work out again. Get this and some eggs. Yeah, I know. I'm gonna work out. Trash, I believe in you. I believe in you. I'm in shape, okay? I can I say something that doesn't hurt your feelings? Hopefully. Can't hurt my feelings.

Crash, I really like it when you have glasses on. I have my contacts on. I know you had them on your head for the first half this podcast. podcast. I have my contacts in right now. I know. When you wear glasses, you just, you just look like trash. Now that you don't have your glasses in, it's like, I don't even know who you are. See, like that's trash. I can't pull. I got contacts on it. It hurts. Double vision. Is that how it works? Do you see two things now?

I don't know. I just can't see nothing. You want me to rip out my contacts out right now. Put on one on one. No, don't do it. Don't get the jelly in your eyeballs, trash. Yeah, those of you who are just joining us missed the part before the stream where I asked why trash. wasn't wearing glasses and he was like, I don't want to get jelly in my eyeballs was the explanation. I was like, what? And he's like, well, I'm eating this bagel with jelly on it. And I'm like, so I guess he couldn't, you couldn't eat it without it coming up into your face like this. You don't understand. When you eat the bagel, you get jelly slime on your fingies and it's not going to

come off, but just the napkins. You got wash your hands. So now I got jelly slime in my eyeballs now. Thank you very much. True. Wait, hold on. How did you get in your eyeballs, though? Like, explain it because you said all the steps, and none of it involved putting your hands in your eyes. You're like, get the glasses. Did you not see it?

The glasses would prevent that. So I took the contact off to get the contact on my eye. I got to squeeze my eyeball with two fingers and pull it off. And if there's jelly on these little things, that makes sense. Try it. It's a simple concept. 50 times, 50 times 105, okay? Yeah.

You moron You moron 1250 right Is that the answer? Just 100 times 50 You can do that I don't want to do it I'm spoiled by AI

Are you still getting jelly all over Your contact lenses and up in your eyeballs because you don't have an AI to remove your contact lenses for you Well I do And I can see without having a giant purple haze over my eyes Because I got jelly all up in there

And that's why I'm making bank. Every day you spend seven seconds taking out your glasses. It's a real problem. Wait, 35 minutes for your AI robot to do this for you. But you don't have to lift a hand. Yeah. Come on. No more jelly for you.

The robot's all jellied up now. Oh, man. It's a real problem. Guys don't get it. Jelly robot. Wait, too, get jelly in your eyes. See how you feel. I'm, I trash.

It makes sense to me. I'm with you on this one. I'm with you. I am right. Well, thank you, everybody, for joining us on this amazing stand-up today. We have with us, as always, TejDV. I just want to code. We have trash dev, jelly, jelly in the eyeballs.

And, of course, Casey, the actual engineer, Miratory. Casey, we can find you at Computer Enhanced.com. If you actually want to learn how computers work, you should probably check that out and stop being such an idiot instead being an amazing engineer. True. Trash. I don't know what trash has to offer other than, Do you got any, like, do you want to, like, shout a response or something?

What do you do? I'm just here for the lulls, everybody. Check out is, check out as X.com, Trash underscore Dev with two H's. That's the best place to find six-month-old Reddit memes. I need to change my name. That's why I need to do. True. What are you going to change your name to?

Trash with three H's. Oh, yeah. Triple H. You know what I'm saying? Triple H's trash. Work for VIN Diesel. And of course, TGV, the magnificent coder among us, who also, dresses in Miami nice. I do.

I try to represent for the pod. Stylish. It is pretty nice. Thank you. Thank you. And so today, that was the stand-up. The name. I don't have anything. I don't have like a run-on sense. I can do. A jed.