The Telepathy Tapes - S2E34: We Are Here to Learn From | Talk Tracks

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi everyone, and welcome back to the talk tracks. Today we're spending time with Gavin Schultz and his mother, Cindy. Gavin is differently verbal, a phrase he chose himself. When he was a young child, Gavin stopped talking and was diagnosed with autism. He went through years of therapy, and then, at the age of nine, Gavin began spelling to communicate by pointing to letters on a letterboard. He now has been typing to communicate for more than a decade, and through that process, he shared a rich and deeply thoughtful inner world, shaped by theology and a profound sense of purpose. will be asking Gavin some of the questions submitted by our backstage past community, our subscriber platform, where listeners can access ad-free episodes, connect with other community members, and submit questions for guests who've been on the show. So thank you to everyone who sent in questions. So Cindy, Gavin, welcome. Hi, everyone. I'm Kai Dickens and welcome to the Talk Tracks, brought you weekly from TTT Media. In this series, we explore the threads that we've together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, consciousness, and yes, even unexplained phenomena like sci abilities. We examine the mysteries that sit just beyond the edge of what science can

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Starting point is 00:02:35 My name is Cindy Schultz, and I've been married to my husband, Randy, for almost 48 years. I live in Racine, Wisconsin. I am a mom of five awesome children. The oldest is 46. Then we have our youngest son Gavin, who is 28. And Gavin, it's a pleasure to have you here.

Starting point is 00:02:52 To begin, is there anything you'd like to share with us? Why? Yes. Not yet. Great. Okay. Well, one thing I thought was helpful was that in our email correspondence prior to this, Gavin let us know that he does not like to be referred to as nonverbal. And I think it's so important to use the language that people are comfortable with. So Gavin, how would you like to be referred to? What do you think? V-F-F. Gavin is spelling to communicate, and for the sake of brevity, we'll skip to the end of the sentence. Differently verbal. Differently verbal. Yes. Great. And that's what we'll go. with. Well, Cindy, why don't you start off by telling us a bit about Gavin's early years?

Starting point is 00:03:33 I had Gavin at 39. He, you know, progressed. I thought, you know, meeting milestones and things like that. He didn't crawl, though. He was talking and he used to say, you know, mommy, daddy, bye-bye, up, down, birdie, things like that. And at the age of two, all of a sudden, all that went away. And he would just scream or temper tantrum or rocking and toe-walking and toe walking and banging his toys up and he just like would go and bang his head. I said, okay, this is way more than terrible twos. I didn't know at that time that it was autism, but the neighbor next door that was a nurse had said, you know, I think he might have autism. And then at the age of three then, we did get the diagnosis. And I remember feeling, you know, relieved, but yet I still

Starting point is 00:04:27 cried because, you know, I just, it's hard, you know, it's really hard. But then I just dove right in and I do a lot of research and I thought nothing's going to stop me from helping him and finding the best therapies available and all that other stuff, right, Gab. So we did it, didn't we? And so I understand that Gavin was an ABA therapy for many years. And for listeners who might not know, ABA stands for applied behavior analysis therapy. And it's often the most recommended therapy for individuals with autism, and when Gavin was nine, he learned to communicate by pointing to letters on a letterboard. So Cindy, prior to Gavin learning to communicate, what did you believe or understand about Gavin's inner world? You know, I didn't really know what he knew. I remember

Starting point is 00:05:13 sitting, and he used to play with ABC toys that would spell, you know, A for Apple, B for balls, C for cat. And he had that with him, and I said to him, oh, spell Daddy your name. And he spelled G-A-V-I-N-S-C-H-U-T-Z. And I thought, I didn't even know you knew your last name or how to spell it. So that gave me a little inkling into, wow, he's really smart or he's really picked up on things. I love that, that the toy letterboard kind of served as your first window into using a board with letters to spell to communicate. So then you're probably thinking, okay, maybe he knows more than you previously thought. And then how did you first even come to know that there was something like RPM or the rapid prompting method, right, that could like teach him to actually learn the motor control to spell his thoughts?

Starting point is 00:06:02 I had heard a little bit about it. A friend of ours had told us about it. And then we met with Soma when Gavin was nine. She mentioned Soma here. And she's the founder of the RPM method. She's an incredible force in the world of spelling to communicate. And she really innovated the technique for her son Tito, who is now one of the most incredible. quickest typers I've ever witnessed. Soma came to Chicago, and we had a bunch of other families that all met down there at this hotel for the weekend, and then she would work back to back to back, two sessions each day. All these parents were sitting in a room watching her working with these individuals, and we were just odd. My mouth was like to the floor.

Starting point is 00:06:45 She was so super calm with them, never raised her voice, just kept going no matter what they were doing. And Gavin did, you know, really well with her. And she even had him doing math, which I, like, didn't even know that he knew math. And he's getting all the answers correct. And I remember when he was in elementary school, you know, they were teaching him words like cat and dog and up and down. And working with Soma, he was spelling words like elephant and tabernacle and things like that. And I'm like, how do you even know how to spell this kind of stuff? Yeah, incredible. I mean, learning to communicate changes so many people's lives. And I know we sent a question to Gavin asking about this experience. Can you read what he spelled? All right. So the question was, what was it like for you prior to RPM? And he spelled life for me before RPM was more frustrating because the people around me had no idea how intelligent I was. I felt locked inside waiting for someone to let me out. Thank God, Soma had the key for learning. the RPM method has changed my life.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Yeah, beautiful. The next question said, how did it feel when you were able to communicate? And you said, being able to learn through RPM lessons led to my ability to communicate. That was the happiest day of my life. I knew after meeting Soma and working with her, my life was going to change for the better.

Starting point is 00:08:14 Soma believes in her students because RPM works for all ages. Do you have anything else to say about that? Yeah. Okay, so Gavin is typing. Everyone needs to try RPM. Everyone needs to try it. Yep. It doesn't hurt to try, does it?

Starting point is 00:08:31 Gosh, I mean, I'm just so glad you found what works for you, Gavin. And so as he began typing more, did anything change in your lives or what started to unfold? It wasn't until I homeschooled him for middle school and high school. You know, I really noticed that he knew things that I didn't, you know, I'm teaching him things, but it seemed like he already knew it. Those who know me know that I love wearing glasses. I have them from many different occasions. I have progressives and transitions and sunglasses and they're all prescription. And honestly, I could not have all those glasses if it wasn't for Zeni.

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Starting point is 00:11:20 slash tapes. That's shopify.com slash tapes. I would be doing something with him a lesson or whatever, and he'd answer all these questions, right, and then all of a sudden he would want to write a writing, you know, like we had music appreciation. He likes Pete Seeger, which is a very old folk singer, you know, and then he would write a really nice poem, a tribute to him. And I'm like, wow, you know, I'm like holding the board. And back then I didn't even have the laptop up here. I'm like writing everything down that he's spelling and then I'm typing it in a laptop. I was just like odd. Did you ask him, you know, where he was learning this stuff from? Yes, we did. You know,

Starting point is 00:12:03 I was like hoping he'd say that I was his best teacher and he spelled God is my greatest teacher or other theologians he spelled one day. And I'm like, theologians. I'm like, whoa. And I'm like looking it up and he spelled it correctly. And I'm like, wow, how do you even know that word? Where did they had come from. I'm like, how do you know this? You know, but you just said that God and other theologians are your teachers. So that's why you are taught from a much higher power than Cindy Schultz sitting here in Caledonia, Wisconsin, or Racine Wisconsin. So interesting. So I'm so curious, Gavin, when those teachings come in from theologians, like, how are you interfacing with them? You know, what does that experience look like?

Starting point is 00:12:50 They whisper to me, I feel the Holy Spirit speaks to me. Wow. Yeah. So he swears about it. It's the Holy Spirit telling him what to say, right, Gab? I like that you've got that kind of connection. A friend of his bought him for his birthday, something about I get my downloads from Moses or something. And I'm like, oh, my goodness.

Starting point is 00:13:13 Yeah, that's Gavin. He gets the downloads from Moses, don't you? And so this connection to what Gavin calls the Holy Spirit, you know, we've actually talk to many differently verbal individuals who say that they get information or downloads from different teachers. Sometimes they call them masters. Sometimes they do referent different spiritual leaders or historical figures. And other times they say they learn or get information from non-speakers they meet on the Hill. And for those of you who did not listen to season one, the Hill is what many spellers call a realm that they, you know, travel to with their consciousness or astral

Starting point is 00:13:47 travel to to connect with others like themselves. And many, And he said there are beings there who are passed on. So anyway, it's really interesting and very cool. You've got that connection, Gavin. And so as the spelling journey continued, you know, oftentimes families will say first their child started spelling and then they realized all this knowledge they had and then other gifts started to appear. And so we had some questions for Gavin. And if you wouldn't mind reading those and his responses. Let's see, Gavin.

Starting point is 00:14:17 And how do you experience connections or awareness beyond spoken language, if at all? And you said, I can read people very well. I feel their energy. If they are happy or sad or concerned, I know it. God has given me special gifts to understand people. Thanks to him for believing in me to use them properly. So, yeah, we've had therapists come and work with him. and he would just sense that, you know, something was wrong or something happened or whatever.

Starting point is 00:14:51 And then, you know, he says, oh, you're sad. And then they would say, well, yeah, so-and-so passed away and I'm feeling down or whatever. And even last month when we did the RPM session, the very first thing, he sat down, he started spelling and he was spelling to the practitioner lady about things. She's like, how did you know that I needed to hear that? And he says, I could just feel that things were bothering you. And he just gave her hope and comfort. And it was so, so sweet.

Starting point is 00:15:21 And then the next question, Gavin, it says, do you call it telethope? And you said, I call it hearing from the Holy Spirit from God himself. He often tells me what to type and share with the world. Telephope is real, and I believe in it. However, I am not getting into all the hype of it. I feel you have to have discernment about certain things in life, and this is one of them. Yeah, and it was just funny because a few weeks ago, another man we interviewed, Peter Kane, spelled that, you know, telepathy can be misused. So I think discernment is a really great quality to bring to it.

Starting point is 00:16:00 But, you know, is telepathy something you two have experienced together? Y. E. So Gavin is typing. Yes, for sure. Connection is like peanut butter and jelly. That's funny. Peanut Butter and Jelly. I love it. We have a connection like peanut butter and jelly. Don't you know? That's amazing. It's such a good response.

Starting point is 00:16:20 That's so funny. Yeah, he definitely has a sense of humor. So how did mind-to-mind communication or telepathy start for you both? One of the teachers said, oh, yeah, I thought of five words the other day, and I wrote him down, and I didn't show my kid them, but he wrote him in order. I thought, well, let me try that. Sure. Yep, he did it. And then just the other night, I said, okay, I'm not. not going to write these words down. I'm just going to think of something. And sure enough, he spelled everything I thought of. And I'm like, God, Gavin, how do you do that? You know, and even my husband's in the room and he's like, how do you do that, Kevin? So, Gavin, is this something more recent?

Starting point is 00:16:57 M.O. And just so people know, he's typing his answer. No, I have had this talent, but keep it under wraps. Wow. Okay. And so for you, Cindy, what did you make of all this? I tried to, I don't know, Because, you know, it's just like, voodoo, voodoo, you know, or you just like, you think like, oh my goodness, you know, is this really, you know, true or whatever? And so, yeah, we've been very discerning about it because, like he says, I do not want to do anything that would ever jeopardize anyone ever thinking that he did not write everyone of his writings because he did write every one of his writings because he spells words I don't even

Starting point is 00:17:38 know, much less how to spell them, you know. I'm like checking words, and he always spells them right. I'm like, how do you know this? Telepathy has a time and place, but not when I am spelling. There you go. And yeah, on that note, I mean, that's a question we sent ahead of time, wanting to know what Gavin feels about skeptics who say spellers are not authoring their own words. And from people new to this show or even to this world,

Starting point is 00:18:03 typing to communicate almost always involves a regulation partner, especially in the beginning, when someone needs the most support with motor planning and regulation. And critics sometimes argue that that means the communication is not fully independent, which to many people carries a bit of an air of ableism because if you cannot control your body and you need support to communicate, why does their communication not count? But one of the most important distinctions to make here is that telepathy, according to many non-speakers themselves, is something separate entirely. It's a skill set innate to many, if not all of us, and it gets heightened when other senses are diminished. And in fact, many individuals who type to communicate say they need their communication partners to clear their minds while spelling so they can focus on their own thoughts without distraction. Okay, so I digress. Why don't you go ahead and read Gavin's answer?

Starting point is 00:18:51 You said, I rather not waste time worrying about naysayers who doubt things. Everyone has their own opinion and they can be stubborn. I prefer to move forward and continue to do what works for me and countless others. I will always be a strong advocate for rapid prompting method. Anything else on that one? People who think they know better should not be such an negative Nancy. A negative Nancy. And Cindy, what are your thoughts on the backlash against, you know, letter boards to communicate,

Starting point is 00:19:26 or even just the fact that telepathy means someone's not authoring their own words? Do you ever think about that or have you encountered any pushback personally? I have not too much. no, because I even bought a board that's clear, you know, and I am like, okay, I'm holding this. This is my arm here, you know, and he's pointing, and his other hand is over there. And it's like, how can it not be him doing this, you know? Gosh, it's so funny that you said that because, you know, and I want to be kind here, but I have no other way to explain this, that one of the biggest, like, trolls around spelling on the

Starting point is 00:20:04 internet who's always like bashing it and insulting typers and saying it's not real. Once was talking to a scientist who was researching spelling to communicate and she said to the scientist, have you seen it with your own eyes? And the scientist said yes. And then she goes, okay, you're a lost cause because once you see it, then you believe it. And it's kind of like, what? Anyway, okay, go on. Right. Yeah. And even with the whole telepathy stuff, you know, it was funny because we were out to lunch with a friend of ours. And the mom said to Gavin, could you please tell him not to read my mind? Because she had said something about, you know, I think, blank, blank, blank, blank, and he spells blank, blank, blank. And it was funny because then Gavin even said, just clear your mind. Oh, that's funny. Okay, so she was thinking

Starting point is 00:20:49 blank, blank, blank, blank, and he wrote it. And I've actually heard teachers who say that they'll start to think of a word over and over again, like pumpkin, pumpkin, pumpkin, and the typer might right stop saying pumpkin over and over again. But really what I've heard from so many typers at this point is that you literally just have to clear your mind, like clear your mind of all thoughts. Yeah, well, Gavin says, literally, this is what he typed. Come on now. I can read my mom's mind too, but face it, we are more intelligent than both of their minds together. So, you know, it gets down to, it has nothing to do with, oh, you're reading my mind, I'm reading your mind or whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:30 It's their intelligence. I really try to not have anything going. He said something about, you know, being way smarter. And by the time I would think of something for him to write in my mind, he's already got it written. And yeah, or whatever. So it's like, don't even go there, mom, you know. That's great. And I mean, obviously, Gavin, you're so smart.

Starting point is 00:21:54 It's always so uplifting. I mean, I think to all of us, you know, how smart and competent so many individuals who've been dismissed as differently abled are. And so, you know, I guess beyond connecting with the Holy Spirit, are there any other spiritual gifts Gavin experiences or insights he wants to share about the world and about consciousness? Gavin said, I have the gift of seeing angels, and that is a beautiful gift.

Starting point is 00:22:17 So many times people are too busy with life, and they miss the gifts God puts right in front of them. My senses are heightened, so I notice things, others may not. Be still with God, and he will show you remarkable things. I see oras around people. I can feel strong energy if a person is good or bad. Of course, being around lots of people at one time can be difficult. I am grateful that the people I hang out with are good energy. Consciousness is taking the time to be more aware of every single thing. This whole angel thing, you know, he had, what was it, grandma seizure in 2020, and they would not let my

Starting point is 00:23:07 husband or I stay that night at the hospital. And I'm like, are you kidding me? This is, you know, I probably said it. I have a nonverbal autistic person. And you're not letting me stay. Oh, no, no, because we don't know, you know, he has a high fever and we, you know, he could have COVID. I said, he doesn't have COVID. He's got a high fever because he just had the seizure, you know, or whatever. But they wouldn't let me stay. And I, I didn't sleep at all that night. But the next morning they let me come in. And he later spelled that there was nothing to worry about mom, because every room I was in, God's heavenly beings were in the room. And we've had therapy done at different places too

Starting point is 00:23:49 throughout the years. And, you know, one time he'd look in the corner and he'd start giggling and smiling and we're like, what, what are you doing? And he was, oh, never mind me. I'm just noticing the angel, you know, by the lamp. And we're like, what?

Starting point is 00:24:06 And Gavin, can I ask what that experience is like for you when you see angels? And it's something I have to, you know, say like a lot of non-speakers have shared. And I, you know, I guess is it always the same? Or do you have to be in a certain state to see or access them? And what do they look like when you see them? And do they talk to you?

Starting point is 00:24:26 And can you hear them? A lot of beautiful beings not always know I see them, but I feel God sends them when we need the most. Yeah. And there was one time, too, when we were at the other day program that he was with. And the woman that created that program was on the phone with the hospital or a doctor for her daughter at the time. And we were all in the gym class. We were sitting and doing exercises in the chair. And Gavin kept looking over by her.

Starting point is 00:24:53 And he spelled, there's an angel by Annette's shoulder right now. So after she got off the phone, then we went over there and said that there was an angel by you, Gavin said. It was like a tough time for her. So God knew that she needed an angel by her, right? Yeah. It's beautiful. Okay. So Cindy, I know we sent you a question for Gavin, which was, what are you?

Starting point is 00:25:15 your desires for yourself and humanity. So how did Gavin answer that one? This was cute. I'm not sure if I will get married, but I do have a special girl that has my heart. Being best friends is great. I will always continue to learn new things with an open mind. I would like to accomplish getting RPM Spellers unite activities set up in the future. And you said my desires are to be a published author of my book. I also want to live someday with my friends at Matthias Academy Home. I pray that humanity can become loving and kind and stop being so hateful. And a lot of his writings too are about being kind, showing kindness, you know, how hard is it to do one kind to act every day, you know, or things like that. Wow, it's so awesome. And Gavin, you mentioned your book just now. And in the

Starting point is 00:26:11 emails you shared, Cindy, you said that you've been collecting his writings and are compiling them into a book. Can you tell us, you know, a little bit about what inspired that? Gavin has just been spelling for well over a decade and he just always wants his writings out there and wanting people to know how intelligent they are and that just because their voices don't work and oftentimes it is the apraxia with him that just it doesn't connect, you know, the body with the with the mind, right? It makes it hard to do that. And so he felt that it was important to let other people know that he's in there. They all are in there. And they need to be heard and appreciated for everything that they do know. So great. And Gavin, in your words, what would you say the book is about?

Starting point is 00:26:59 Gavin said, my book is about hope and encouragement for readers to believe in the one true God. it will help those who read it realize to never underestimate a special needs individual's ability. We are remarkable in so many ways. Tell her what you did today, Gavin. It was so exciting. I signed the contract for my book, the helpful one to be published. Okay, so Gavin spelled, I signed the contract for my book, the hopeful one to be published. He was so excited.

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Starting point is 00:29:07 returns. Quince.com slash tapes. So, as I mentioned, we have a bunch of questions from our backstage past subscribers. And a lot of these questions cover a lot of ground, but maybe Cindy, you could read the ones that you've chosen to answer and then read his responses. The first question was, what makes you most happy about the world and what makes you most frustrated? And you said, Gavin, what makes me most happy with the world is having family and friends to hang out with and having a good time. I am happy surrounding myself with like-minded people who have a positive outlook on life and love the Lord. My frustration with the world is too

Starting point is 00:29:53 many people are negative and so hateful in their actions towards each other. I want kindness and love shown, not hate. Together, if we all show love and do acts of kindness daily, Think of what a difference that would make in the world. Yeah, and so beautiful. And that too, thinking about if they are reading our mind and can read our mind, you know, do you want them to, oh, mom's always depressed, you know, or this is going on and that's going on, or she's thinking that, it really makes you as a parent more aware that you want to be happy and more positive.

Starting point is 00:30:36 because it's not good to always feel those kind of negative thoughts. Totally. It's a great reminder. All right. The next question is, can non-speaking autistic people connect telepathically with a severe Down syndrome people? Are they also in there? And can they learn to communicate through spelling or any other method?

Starting point is 00:30:59 And you said, first of all, I do not like to be called non-speaking autistic person. said, how about calling us differently speaking? Yeah. Yep. And he does have a shirt that says everyone communicates differently, a friend of his gut for him. We can have connections with everyone, even severe Downs syndrome people. I have Downs friends and we communicate very well together. It does not all have to be done telepathically, but it can for sure happen that way. For every one's information, God created us all in there. I so believe that now because back in the day, you know, so many people thought, well, they don't know anything, you know, or they would talk in front of him. And it's like, he's hearing you, you know, he's listening. And it just drives you crazy, Gavin.

Starting point is 00:31:58 We all have the ability to learn. And with love and patience, the other disabilities can learn to communicate. It is all about never giving up on us and believing in our abilities. Look past the diagnosis and do not let it define you. I use my weaknesses to be my strongest strengths. And he does. At the day program that he goes to, there's all different disabilities there. And he's got several Downs friends. And the one that was doing bowling with us or whatever, he was just like so excited to, you know, communicate back and forth with Gavin. And oftentimes I would show him photos or whatever, and then I'd say, oh, what do you think of that? Or do you want to write anything about this? And then he would write something really cool.

Starting point is 00:32:44 And there was a photo. One of your friends was holding another girl in a wheelchair's hand. And he wrote this beautiful writing about they don't have to talk to be connected, which then also made me think, what are they talking about? Yes, I love that. All right. The next question was, do you think non-speakers are experiencing this physical lifetime here in order to teach others to help us evolve? And you said, absolutely, God had a plan when he sent me here. We are here to learn from. We are the gentle souls of love and peace that he wants the world to hear from. Our minds are not filled with the noise of this world. Our minds are not filled with the noise of this world. are filled with God's knowledge. To spread the light of God on this dark world is what I do to give hope to everyone. Too many are depressed and have anxiety. They need to know God is there for them. I feel we were sent to save the world from despair. People can learn a tremendous amount from us if they only take the time to listen. The next question is, do you find

Starting point is 00:34:02 it insulting to be asked to do these tests and card identifications, what color is on cards a hundred times, to prove that you have these skills. And for listeners, this is a reference to some of the tests and studies that were being done to try to test or prove that telepathy is occurring. We did a lot of those in season one of the telepathy tapes, and there's more tests in the telepathy tapes forthcoming film and a bunch of tests on our backstage past. So, okay, so Gavin, what did you say? He said, I personally was never asked 100 times a question.

Starting point is 00:34:36 However, I feel it takes the average person that many times to finally realize how intelligent we really are. We have remarkable skills. Everyone needs to believe in us. The next question is, what are the challenges you would prefer to have to optimize your skills for helping people? And you said, I would rather people take the time to spend with me, get to know me, see how I interact, listen to my words to learn from me that way. We are not lab rats to be used,

Starting point is 00:35:11 but intelligent human beings brought here by God for a purpose. This world would freak out if they knew what we all know. I rather stay humble and not boast about my abilities. And then the last question that the listeners were asking were, I would love to ask. a non-speaker, have they been able to communicate telepathically in the womb and as babies? And that I never, ever thought of even asking him. So I was excited to hear what he said. And he said, maybe some have, but I never did. Telepathy is a gift that happened later on for me when I started noticing other gifts God was

Starting point is 00:35:53 blessing me with, like seeing angels. I started to feel strong energy of people's emotions and could at times, read their minds. Like I said before, I am careful to not overuse this gift. It is something I worry about getting out of control. That's what he said about all the questions sent in and what you guys wanted. Thank you so much, Gavin, for these just thoughtful responses and Cindy for reading them. Gavin, is there anything else you want to mention before we end? Thank you for taking this time with me. Say hi to everyone from the hopeful one. Gavin Shelt's love to you all. all from everyone listening and our entire team. And thank you so much for sharing your story and

Starting point is 00:36:37 insights. Thank you. It was good to see you. Take care. All right. Thanks again. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. That's it for this episode of the Talk Tracks. But new episodes will be released every Wednesday. So stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together are reality. And please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. To dive in deeper, subscribe to our backstage pass by visiting our website. With it, you'll unlock access to bonus content like telepathy tests, ask me anything interviews with myself and guests. You'll be able to enjoy the podcast ad-free, connect with other members on our telepathy tribe discord, and hear and see exclusive content

Starting point is 00:37:15 from the telepathy tapes vault. Visit our website at the telepathy tapes.com for more info on how to subscribe to our backstage pass. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Producers Catherine Ellis and Selena Kennedy, technical directing audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole, opening and closing music by Elizabeth P.W. And original logo and cover art by Ben Condora Design. I'm Kai Dickens, your executive producer, writer, and host.

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