The Telepathy Tapes - S2E52: BONUS: The Wisdom of Connection with Dr. Zach Bush

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

In this bonus episode from our partner series The Telepathy Tapes: Now What?, Betsy and Libby sit down with Dr. Zach Bush for a conversation about one of the ideas at the heart of their experiences as parents: what if our children are perceiving the world in ways we have forgotten how to perceive ourselves?The conversation begins with nature. Betsy reflects on how her son Joe is drawn to the earth, water, and the natural world, while she often finds herself caught up in the worries of everyday life. From there, Zach explores his belief that life is fundamentally built through relationship and that many of us have become disconnected from that sense of interconnection.They talk about autism, sensory experience, food, the microbiome, and why Zach believes some nonspeaking autistic people may be deeply attuned to environmental signals that others have learned to filter out. They also discuss parenting, the exhaustion of trying to control outcomes, and what can happen when caregivers begin to follow their child's lead rather than constantly trying to make their child fit into the world around them.For parents who have spent years asking What do I do?, Zach offers a different question: What happens if we become quiet enough to notice what our children are already showing us?See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey everyone is Kai. Mark your calendars for October 7th because season three of the telepathy tapes, the reincarnation records, is coming. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the talk tracks. This episode is a bonus episode from our companion series entitled Now What, hosted by the mothers of non-speakers, Betsy Hicks, Russ, and Libby Ingram. Today's episode will feature an interview they did with Zach Bush. The companion series is a supportive, practical conversation space for families, parents, teachers, and anyone else interested in navigating how to help non-speakers after listening to. to the telepathy tapes. Episodes are released every other week on the telepathy tapes YouTube channel and the telepathy tapes Now What Podcast Feed. Their show is so insightful, so grounding, and I highly encourage you to check it out. And to give you a little taste today, here's their episode with Zach Bush. My 33-year-old son Joe is autistic and non-speaking. Since Joe was little, he's always been drawn to the earth. He would sit in the grass beneath his familiar trees,

running the blades through his hands, completely content to just be there. Today, nearly every day takes us to the ocean, a lake, or a river, and Joe sits on the edge of the water with his hands in the soil, picking through the pebbles, rubbing them and tossing them aside. And while I enjoy the calm, I realize I'm not actually participating in it. My mind wonders in a million places worrying about the future or the past. But Joe inspires me to be more in tune and connected with the world around me. And that's what I want to talk to our guest about today.

This kind of lost connection. It feels like so many of us feel misaligned with the present moment and our ability to tap into the ecosystem all around us. There are a few people who understand this more deeply than our guest today, Dr. Zach Bush. Zach is a triple board certified physician and a leading educator who's modeling how to explore the profound relationship between human health and our planet. I am honored to have this conversation with one of my heroes. So please say hello to my beautiful co-host Libby. And Zach, welcome to our show. Libby and Beth, it's such an honor to be with you

and this audience. We're here together in an incredible human moment. And so honored to be part of that and just look forward to seeing what is co-created here. Zach, I want to start by asking you about relationships. Now, you've said before that relationships are the architecture of life, and we really can't do life in isolation. Can you expand on this and talk about what role biology plays in our need for relationship and discuss how this is something we have completely forgotten as a species? Yeah, the concept is actually memorialized in a single word that is called biosis. Biosis is what precedes biology, which would be the study of biosis. And so on biology, the study of life systems is based on the understandings of

biosis. If you look up in a dictionary, the word biosis, you're going to find it relates to the interconnected relationships that make life possible. And so it's not life. made better by relationship it's not more life because there's more it's life only occurs through relationships and that's really the fundamentals of where we have to get back to as a human species because up until now in this last epoch that we've lived through there was a belief that everything existed because it managed to be in opposition with enough force to stay safe or to stay protected against everything else. And so our current human mindset is one of opposition. This drives all the way to the other definition that we would focus on here is Biosis I, nature is the other. And if you look up

the Oxford English dictionary, it's the third definition of nature is everything in the firmament of the earth, the minerals, the plants, the animals, as opposed to humans or anything humans have made. And so we did not only write ourselves out of nature in its definition, we actually wrote ourselves in opposition to nature and its definition. And so when you come to understand both of those, the reality of Biosis, life only happens through the interconnected relationships that make it possible. And nature is everything except humans or anything human is made. Interesting. So can you explain how this informs your theory about the experience of an individual with autism? An autistic child is sensing the cognitive dissonance.

that exists between reality, which is biosis, and an artificial reality of humanity and everything is created in abstraction. Abstraction is a description of any finite system that's lost relationship to its context. Abstraction is literally an artificial reality. An autistic child is simply one that cannot tolerate the dissonance between biosis and a nature that believes itself to be in opposition to humanity or humanity that believes itself to be an opposition to nature. And so this is, I think, where we find exactly your realization of this is my greatest teacher. This child, who's now 33 years old, is your greatest teacher because it is the living being that sits next to you and a state of unconditional love that cannot filter.

out the reality of a biotic reaction system. This biosis that's driving life is what he is feeling. They feel the pain. They feel the loneliness. They feel the heartbreak. It's not their own. They literally feel that of everyone else. God, that's so well said.

So true. So let's talk about this kind of symbiotic relationship because I'm interested in this because I remember learning about microbiota early on where, you know, you're killing out, you take an antibiotic, for example, and you're killing out all of the bacteria, but you're clearing out the bad with the good and that symbiotically they should be working together. Like we have good pathogens, we have bad pathogens, we have viruses, we have everything, and they work symbiotically. Not to say antibiotics are bad, they've been revolutionary for keeping humans alive.

and they're an incredible medical intervention. But just using that as a symbol of how we try to control the world around us or eliminate any risk of harm, we can unintentionally rid ourselves of things that are good for us and therefore actually creating more harm. Absolutely. Yeah, I think that that's, you know, this function of the word antibiotic. The book that I just published is called Biological Elegance,

and it has a subtitle of unwitting the devil. And it is a follow-up to Napoleon Hill's book 88 years ago that was called Outwitting the Devil. And what he discovered in that book, which was devised as a conversation with the devil, was that the devil that would be described or imagined by humans was actually the human mind in abstraction. And so that was, you know, 1940s.

And she realized, oh my God, we are the devil. As soon as we disconnect from the infinite beauty of the reality that we live within, we become hell. The book goes to 33 chapters exploring this antibiotic experience that we have just lived through in our last epoch. And this was not just antibiotics from our doctors. The majority of it was antibiotic chemicals and herbicides and pesticides that we grew our food in in justifying it's used to kill the microbiome of the soil and of the air, thinking that that was against the plants that we would eat. So we sterilized farm fields in the same way we sterilized ICU's, only to find out that life diminished in both places.

And for that, we learned more fear of nature. We felt more attacked from bacteria that were bad for us in the ICU's or weeds that were bad for our farms and there. So we started to build fences and we started to build, you know, chemical fences. And we started to build all of these structures of blocking the relationships that make life possible. So what you're feeling when you use the word antibiotic, it's so perfect because the word contains the truth. It is antibiosis. It is antibiotic. And so that antibiotic is against the relationships that make life possible.

I think this is a good time to transition into food a little bit. I'm very grateful that I learned very early on when he was only about three years old, about starting to eliminate certain foods. And so he's grown up with a very clean diet. I take that back. He was on autism diets, you know, the old gluten case seemed free. And that was really, you can give him panda puffs, whatever. Just keep him gluten-y-free.

That's all that matters. And then, of course, the toxicity started to build, and it became bigger and bigger. And when I think about like what they're showing us, because Joe is very fine tuned to his diet, so he knows the second something affects him. For years, every time I'd give him anything with avocado oil, he would massively melt down. And I was like part of the whole thing. Well, avocado oil is great. Use avocado oil. Now we're finding there's actually no avocados in this avocado oil.

It's just one more processed oil. And he was telling me this years ago. So I'm just really curious about how you feel that they are so in tuned. I mean, I'm assuming they're feeling it viscerally, but is it more of a disconnect from the food not having a natural basis to it? Or is it generally like changing their biology that are making them feel miserable? Super important a question. I think that one of the gifts of the telepathy tapes is it revealed, you know, this extraordinary intelligence and non-local communication capacity of autistic children. But with my interview during that second season of the program and now, I'm hopeful that we can advance this to realizing that all humans are telepathic.

We've just been trained out of it. And so the difference between your son and you is not that he has some ability to feel viscerally that you don't. It's that you've installed the trained filters between that capacity and the sensations that your body is everyday having. And so you and your son have the same capacity to sense before the food is put in your mouth as to whether it's coherent with your field or not. The child will know that far before it's put on the plate. They will feel it when it enters the home. They'll feel it when it's in his mother's hands. They'll feel it in the kitchen.

They'll feel it sitting in the refrigerator. They can feel the dissonance, and so can you. You feel that when you are buying products off the shelf that you know are not good for you, and yet you have enough filters to go ahead and still be able to let the hand put it in the basket. And so it takes a lot of layers of filtration, and we create them through practices that we're trained into behavioral justification, right? Well, this is this, therefore this, and therefore it's okay. So we justify. We also have been trained into these hierarchical. Well, it's not as bad as that thing over there, so it must be okay. I call it grading yourself on the curve.

Grading yourself on the curve. I do that every day. This is the less bad thing. And what happens when we build a world out of anti-glutin and anti-cacine and anti-whatever, is we never create the reality we want to live in. And so you actually, bizarrely being anti-dice something, you actually become the polarity to that thing and stabilize it. And nature requires polarity to have anything persist for more than about a million to a second. And so the fact that there are fruit loops

with 72 chemicals that are disruptive to neurochemistry and carcinogenic on every grocery store shelf in the world is evidence of the number of filters we're able to put between our instinctual knowingness and a reality of nourishment that the world would have for us, the nature would have for us. This is where the autistic mind is pushing us is to remember that we can feel all of the relationships that would make these problems obsolete. We can feel it through our feet when we walk on soil. We can feel it in the air when we breathe in a forest.

We can feel it in a marketplace that is full of produce grown by farmers that know their land. We can feel it in the opposite way when we walk into a department store that's full of off gassing plastics and carcinogenic materials that were made from sterilized farm fields that were turned into plastic polymers that then turned into clothing. that we now put on our bodies that absorb into our bloodstream and disrupt our endocrine chemistry. You can feel all of those relationships when you just go in and smell a department store. Like your body immediately is in revulsion. And yet they've been trained to use the right amounts of lights and indirect lighting and colors on their signage and everything else to draw you or brain in in a sense of addiction. They figured out the addicted brain's behavior to induce you into a place that is inherently toxic from stem to stern for you. And so when we just developed food chemistry as a field of science in the 1950s,

that's what we were doing. We were figuring out how to drug the brain into behaviors that would supersede its instinct for nourishment. And so we separated humans from nourishment through food science. And the food science created things like natural flavorings, which are all neurotransmitter you know disruptors. We created things like herbicides and pesticides to reduce the disease that our crops were failing under, not realizing that our crops were failing because they'd been long disconnected from their relationships that make life possible within a farm field. And so this has been on our journey of sterilization to the point where an addicted brain is the result. What happens in nature is that when isolation begins to occur, abandonment behavior kicks in. So in psychology,

or we call this abandonment disorder. Abandamid disorder is the root cause of all addiction. And so a child being pushed into more and more isolated experiences are going to become more and more addicted to the natural flavorings in the food or to the casein and the cheese or to the mac and cheese become such a drug to every kid because in their growing isolation as they're trained from being a completely interconnected multi-dimensional being in the womb of its mother into an isolated consumer as a four-year-old child that's driving the consumer behavior of the entire household, wrapped in plastic diapers, breathing, you know, unnatural air by the time they're, you know, born, all this thing. So that child in increasing isolation is a neurology that's increasing

prone to addiction because of its growing abandonment disorder. Fast forward into adulthood and we're all severe addicts that don't even see the problem because we've been trained into social norms that normalize addiction as good behavior. This is the trap that we're in and this is where autism again is our release valve of this cognitive dissonance. It's a, let me put it this way. an autistic child cannot exist in the abstract reality. It is forever relegated to the natural systems of relationship.

It cannot break it. It doesn't have the violent tools that would be necessary to break its relationships to nature. So we have to break those relationships for the child. And we do that through social programming, schooling, food systems, all this. And so we as a society are isolating our, autistic children. And what we found in my clinic over the years is there was no solution for

autism until the whole family was back out in nature. And if you get the whole whole night, buddy out there in nature, immediately the relational context of the family's experience is received. And when a mother comes out of her isolation to find out that, oh my God, there's a bigger mother. It's called Earth. And wouldn't she always care for my child? Isn't this child actually directly from Earth, not from me? Isn't this child made of the minerals and elements of the Earth, not me? Isn't this child laced together with the elements of the water and the carbon and everything else that came from Earth, not me? Isn't there a greater mother here?

And I would watch these mothers come back in a clinic and tears realizing the whole planet cares for my child. It's no longer me alone. My child has cared for in ways that I could. never do on my own. All I have to do is get my child out to nature every day. And she is going to take care of this child in ways that I cannot because she is the reality that this child can feel. And I am going to stop trying to program my child out of that nature. And I'm going to stop isolating my child out of my social embarrassment for their behavior and outside or my concern for their allergies or my concern for their food systems. I'm going to just get outside with this child.

that child is going to take me back into my nature, and I'm going to find out there's also a mother that cares for me. And that's ultimately the beauty that we found in clinic. Zach, John Paul was such a, I mean, he talked about trees and he would spell. We communicate like the root systems of trees. He would say, we're all connected. We're all one. These are things that he just talked about naturally. We might be somewhere. He may have to ground himself. So we might be somewhere and he'd have to just lay down on the ground. And I think he was just trying to connect. He was a tiptoe walker too as well.

So six, eight, three hundred pounds tiptoe walker, six, seven, usually naked at home and running around. Luckily we live in a house where we have a lot of privacy. So JP was just naked all the time going through the yard, through the, and people in the neighborhood could hear him because he was so loud. but we have a pond. He would just jump in and that's where he wanted to be. I loved watching him just in nature, just feeling so good. And I find autistics just so incredible with what they feel and just how honest and pure their thoughts are.

And I really just miss all those beautiful messages from him just about, Mom, nothing matters but love. I mean, he just felt it all. Zach, recently, it was last month, actually, I was on a hike with some friends in the woods. And we were only about 15 minutes into the hike. And it was a pretty big hike. And Joe stopped cold in his tracks and wanted to go back. And I thought he was tired.

I thought maybe he's just kind of fatigued. Maybe he's not feeling well. I'm like, Joe, we just kind of got started. What's going on? Like, we just got this hike. Let's keep going. So about 200 yards after that happened, we stumbled upon a hornet's nest and all of us got stung. And so I asked Joe, tell me about this.

And I want to quote him because I don't want to paraphrase it. He said, in nature, animal activity and living things have vibrations that I can pick up on. When I'm in nature, I'm feeling and smelling and hearing it. I'd love your thoughts on that. Yeah, so he's perceiving the world and the way in which humans were designed to perceive the world, which is exactly how all animals perceive the world, which is through vibration. So the humbling reality that quantum physics and astrophysics have all helped us, you know, come to charge with over the last 100 years is that nothing is solid.

Everything is an expression of frequency. And so what gives the appearance of us? solid table in front of you that you could lay a computer on is the frequency by which the molecular information is vibrating and that gives it an appearance of solidity. It is anything but solid. The density of the vacuum space, the space between things has only recently been discovered in 2010 in a paper called the Universal Scaling Laws. It began to be untangled out of the school of lines in Colorado. The paper is called the universal scaling law by Nassim Haramie at Maine.

One of the most brilliant papers ever written, but it starts to demonstrate what he would discover and define in those next couple of years was that the most dense thing that occurs in nature is actually the vibrationally electromagnetic field in the vacuum space. And so in an amazing way, the science is showing us that frequency, is not just a isolated event. And so the frequency of the table in front of you is actually in direct communication, direct relationship to everything in the cosmos

because of the density of the vacuum space that would be between one thing that looks solid and another thing that looks solid. And so in the same way that you can knock on the wood and put your ear on the other side of the plank and hear the knock, knock, knock, that's passaging through the wood because of the density of the material. The auditory signal through air or vacuum space can't catch the vibration. It can't propagate. So there's no sound in space. You've probably heard that. Astronaut would

never hear a tool drop on the International Space Station surface, you know, and so without the density of air, we lose the audible. But what the autistic is feeling is something beyond the audible. It's feeling what the rest of nature feels, which is the density of vacuum space vibrating between the material world. And so your son, if we were brought enough in our capacity to imagine a question, could answer the question from you of what is Saturn saying right now? he can also go quiet and feel Saturn in the same way that he would feel the hive of bees or

wasps around the corner there and so he's feeling the continued nation or the continuity of information that exists between all physical structures they are communicating through a substance that's more dense than anything that appears solid by thousands of fold that more dense. And so the coherence of connectivity between the solid things is far more intense in its capacity for propagation of the information than the material itself. And so this is a very strange universe for us to wrap our minds around because our minds, different than our bodies, have been programmed to believe what it sees, hears, and senses. The five senses of the human brain are exactly why we fell out of telepath communication.

When we began to trust what we saw and heard more than what we felt, we began the journey into abstraction. And when our concept of spirituality stopped reporting that we are connected to everything and start saying you are actually disconnected. And so whether we talk about religion, science, institutions, governments, it was all out of a desire to control something that felt like was out of our control, which gets us to a statement that you had earlier there, Betsy, around your son, which is he is unconditional, and he's looking at the rest of the world wondering why we are suffering so much in our exhaustion

to try to control everything. And this is the beauty that I see in mothers of autistic children is you all will bring yourselves to a point of exhaustion where you can no longer maintain control. At that moment of total collapse, you will finally be able to follow your child into the truth, which is everything is interconnected. Everything is interrelated. Everything in those interrelated connections is making life possible. And there is nothing to be controlled because coherence is inherent in this fabric of nature. Everything is coherent because it's all interconnected by information and any system given unfettered access to information will always be able to repair. There is no damage, there's no disease that can incur to a cell that has unfettered access to

information. And so the autistic mind is showing us a way back to this release of control and acceptance of perfection. Everything is perfectly imperfect and that's how things involve. That's how intelligence reimagines itself because it's imperfect. It needs enough imbalance, enough friction, enough stress to allow for the next iteration to occur. We're here because of an iterative, imaginative nature that never tried to control the outcome because there was no outcome to control, and there were no mechanisms of control within nature.

humans created mechanisms of control when we exited nature in our philosophy and that's where we turn power into force parenting is similar to this when parenting is an arms race to try to control our children's socially inappropriate behavior so that we fit into the world we get exhausted it will take more energy than any family can ever put out to try to control the chaos of an autistic child who's not being met in their nature. But when we relinquished the control and we fall into exhaustion completely and we just surrender and cry and that's, I sat in so many exam rooms just surrendered and crying with my patients and their mothers because that's my sensation as a doctor's.

There's nothing I can do. I cannot help. I have no resource. I can't fix this problem. I can be exhausted with you. I can sit in my surrender and I can cry with you and watching the, suffering of this child hitting their head against the wall eight hours a day and then suddenly the child stops hitting their head because we just became present and that child suddenly comes and sits in

my lap not because their mind suddenly got more intelligent or because they rewire anything but because we became coherent the frequency in which they can communicate and so the nonverbal you know status probably needs to be reinvented like we we probably need to redisweigh bribe that, you know, and so with that invitation, maybe open that up to you both. Libby, what would you rephrase? I agree. Yeah, I would call it a regressive sensory motor disorder. I would lose the whole autism diagnosis for our kids because that sets up people thinking,

oh, behaviors, and they don't understand. They have a whole different idea of our kids, but regressive, well, for our kids, they tend to regress, they have apraxia, and they have sensory motor issue. a lot of times you throw in for John Paul epilepsy and anxiety and OCD, which can all happen along with it. But really, that is the base of what the problem is. And once we start the spelling, and he could explain things better to me, it made so much more sense. Like, he did bang his head, but I would ask him, what's up? And he said, I'm just trying to regulate myself. Like, I'm trying to feel my body. And he had a lot of not being able to feel himself. It's almost like,

he was floating in space. And sometimes he just needed me to grab him and just hug him or just squeeze his arms or press his head or squeeze his head. And he could feel himself. I feel like if you just observe and watch your kids and not be so heartbroken that they're not normal, you get so much further. You're going to be so much happier not trying to control. But we've all done it.

I had my really dark moments too and really horrible moments in your sleep deprived because they sort of stopped sleeping for a while. It is such a journey. It is a journey of highs and lows and heartbreaks and mess. It's all of it. But I embrace it all. I mean, it was such an experience. I wish it hadn't had the end. You know, it was magic.

Libby, your experience and. And every parent with an autistic child, every grandparent, every aunt, every uncle is experiencing essentially the most extreme version of being human today because what's happening is these children are bridging us into this other world that has to come about. It's a world that is reembodied. And we are coming to the end of this epoch of the antibiotic era, the era of abstraction that occurs when we kill all of the connectivity of relational life within us and around us. We'd kill it first in our minds and then we kill it in our systems, whether we're medical

systems, economic systems. So we've created all these vast abstract matrices that we live within and been wandering around a big city the last couple of days just watching so many people, these fentanyl zombies literally, they're just disembodied, a zombie. being like activity and my heart breaks for the numbness that they are chasing and we have a whole humanity that's starting to give up that is starting to just feel like it's too much to be human right now it's it's too exhausting to be at the extremity of things and here comes the autistic generations that are showing us what it feels like even if we don't want to feel it and so to be connected to an autistic child

is to be plugged into a voltage of reality that we have spent generations trying to disconnect from because the amount of collective trauma that's now held within the human experience unmetabolized because we were unwilling to feel it for generations. We pushed it under the car, but don't cry, it don't hurt, ignore the pain, keep going. We've done this for so long now that to plug back in has a horrific experience on a lot of levels. And so what I'm feeling in your framework there, which you're reflecting on, trigger something deep inside of me right now of that, like, my goodness. What a courageous thing to choose to feel right now because you will feel something

far beyond yourself. You'll feel a species in its extremity of suffering and its extremity of chaos that comes from isolation. And this is the terror in some ways of being an autistic parent is that social systems aren't ready to feel this much. And so they push the child away or they try to manage the child, but do not make available the possibility of feeling what the child is feeling or even being curious to know what the child's feeling. Instead, they're trying to ever harder to program the child with the social norms, the social behaviors, the social beliefs. And so we can all come together to concentrate our energies to power a new initiative, to power a new company, to power a family towards its ends. But when the family or the system that is in its creative mode loses relationship, force is the only piece left.

And so this is where our medical system is towards our children today. They're trying to use force to create the appearance of improvement or the appearance of control. They're trying to provide parents and providers tools for reducing the stress without in some ways ever asking, where is the stress coming from? And so this is, I think, the journey of a parent is, man, I think it takes utter breakdown ultimately. you have complete surrender moments where you finally give up your effort to control the outcome, control the environment for your child, create the outcome that everybody would want. But as a practitioner, hearing your story, Libya just breaks my heart because I know how it felt to be a doctor unable to help so many mothers just with no tools that felt relevant.

And so my heart goes out to you, your journey with your son. And in wonderment that his soul did also know that he was done. He had come and he showed what he needed to show through what he would feel. And he finished it. And I'm just grateful for the peace that he has right now. Sorry. It's okay. And I want you to feel all that.

It's just been one of those days missing up. I want you to feel all that. That's the most human experience we can have right now because it's only the human that can experience the separation that you're feeling. Because he can't feel it now. He can't feel any separation. He's just feeling all of you. And so it's such a unique human thing to be able to miss somebody,

to lose somebody. Because at the level of infinite souls, nothing has ever lost. Everything remains connected. No energy can be created. or destroyed, it can only change its form. So your son has changed his form. And you remain with us as a human being

limited in perception that we would think we lost him. We think he's gone. It's a mystery. And I think that's what we're supposed to feel is the grief ultimately. That's the thing unlocked. He's very present, just not in the way I want him to be. But he's always around. is. Thank you for that, Zach. That was beautiful. Thank you very much. You get it. He does get it. My last question

is a big burning question to myself. And these beautiful telepathic connected souls have these instincts, or maybe like, another word, gut, like instincts that clearly stem from their connectivity because we know how just remarkably connected they are. But the majority of non-speakers do not have any form of communication. They have not been taught a way that their body is able to communicate with us as their caregivers. So without that, how are we able to follow their lead while also keeping them safe? Because as caregivers, you know, we have to watch out for them running into the street and making sure that they eat right and making sure that they're feeling okay. But how do we protect these vibrational souls and still honor that they know there's a hornet's nest 200 yards ahead? Yeah, I mean, I wish I knew the answer to that in a concise way. I think it's a moment-to-moment assessment by the parents and everybody around these children,

the community that surrounds each one to assess. What are we reacting to? A car coming across the street and child in the way. that that's a correct assessment of an opportunity to intervene, keep them safe in a three-dimensional world, that their neurologic system is processing in the same way and they don't recognize the danger that you do. This is an appropriate way for you to bridge them to this 3D world that we've abstracted and this artificial realities we've created. And so I think that's the right role for us that are stuck in misperceptions mode

is to help them survive in a world that was built out of misperception and something as simple as a road is an abstract system. Nature never made straight lines of asphalt through her. These are inherently systems that are the result of the belief that we should travel through optimized methods rather than wander to see all of the beauty. And so I think that one of the things that I've seen easiest for families and that doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing for your family but certainly one of

the ways in which you can surrender to your child's leadership most freely is to get your children into wildly natural environments and get them away from the road get them away from the three-dimensional abstract artificial realities and immerse them in the 17th dimensional reality of a rainforest or whatever it is and so maybe that just is a weekend trip and then you follow their lead, which oftentimes is not like very highly adventurous. It depends on the child, of course. Maybe your son would be naked and in the pond or something like that. And we should all get in the pond.

Like it's pretty obvious like when we should follow up. Like, yeah, that makes sense. Like that's obviously what would cause the human body to have the most ecstatic, somatic experience would be to be naked at the pond. And all of the social norms that would keep us doing that are all abstract and ridiculous. and that's where we have to work on our deep programming is what would keep us from joining the child in the pond. And so I think maybe it just helps to understand

that we are dealing with two different worlds and each of us that sit here calling ourselves neural normal or something rather than neural divergent, like those of us that have been so trained in abstraction that we aren't sane enough to call this normal, have a responsibility back to those that are neurodiversion, to help them understand the world that we are living in and that they're bridging us to somewhere else is what we can surrender to.

It's like, I wonder what the world they see looks like. I wonder where the roads and the cars and wonder where the dangers are. I think that our children are desperately trying to yank us out of the road and we're not because we don't realize we're standing in the road. So these children ultimately being raised in these environments, I think survive. largely out of finding the drugs that make it tolerable. And those drugs are largely things like macaroni and cheese and, you know, these foods that trigger a neurochemical experience similar to cocaine or whatnot so they can reach some sort of peak experience in their brain

so that they can tolerate the cacophony of energies that are around them that are not metabolizing themselves. It's just sometimes I think it's so hard to do your best and to do the harder things and I think that that also plays into it and I don't know the solution for that because there's so much exhaustion in this world. Yeah. I also understand what Zach's saying in the sense of we're over programming ourselves. We're over committing to things. You know, it would be better in many cases not saying that an occupational therapy session wouldn't be great, but if you have to sit in traffic and you have to get there and then you have to be in the

big city, you have to do all these things, what if you just took a walk in the trees and save that $150 and just be still with your child? And then you would be able to go home and maybe have a better opportunity to make something. Zach, is there any closing words you have for us before we say goodbye? I think you feel that the macaroni and cheese is an example of a stimulus that these children are fine to make this tolerable between the two worlds. And I would not, I've never told a parent to stop macaroni and cheese. It's more an issue of beginning where you have to begin, which is feel more. Communicate that feeling to your child.

Be curious to know their feelings and do most of that in nature. If that's what you're doing, then the macroni and cheese becomes either a great tool within the framework of where the child's at or it becomes obsolete because in the processing of emotions everybody starts to want the vegetables on the plate with the olive oil and everything else, you know? So

I've never actually prescribed a diet to an autistic family because I can see that the food is actually a necessary bridge every day to survive the day. And so what I found is the most

effective way to do nutrition is to lose judgment first. So lose judgment, get in nature, express your feelings, which begins with feeling your feelings. As a parent, you are trying so hard not to feel your feelings because your child is showing you so much feeling that you feel like it's uncontained and uncontrolled and dangerous for the world and all the rest. So this is the beginning of a new era where we will do less of the, let's increase all of the mechanisms of control around these children so they fit into an artificial reality and a lot more. Let's get these children back out into nature and let's rewild the human spirit to feel everything. And then we will make sense of what the autistic journey is within this artificial

reality we've built and what they're trying to show us, what doors they're opening for us to go into this biological renaissance. The biological renaissance is a moment where we realize that technology is not machines. Technology is life. The highest technology in the lands is always going to be life system. living systems. That is this next generation of humanity. And the autistic moment is helping bridge us to that. The autism is going to show us that there is no machine that will ever make a child truly fulfilled or happy

or expressive or felt. And so they're going to show us a pathway out there to the wildness of the human spirit that's just desperately trying to get out of the box these days. everyone this has been my favorite conversation ever thank you so much zach to learn more about Zach you can go to his website at zach bushmd.com he has a wonderful new book that you can purchase there it's biological elegance outwitting the devil and i'm very excited to get my hands on that you can also find his wonderful social media page which is one of my favorite pages to follow it will relax you

just sitting and watching the beautiful footage. Thank you again. And it's just a pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you, Benzian. Thank you all of you listening. This is beautiful. Hey, everyone is Kai. Mark your calendars for October 7th because season three of the telepathy tapes, the reincarnation records is coming. If season one set out to explore whether or not consciousness extends beyond the brain, this season will explore whether or not consciousness survives death. I don't think a three-year-old is supposed to be having nightmares about how they died in a fiery, playing craft. For millennia, young children have reported something extraordinary. They remember their names. They remember places. Oftentimes, the kids remember how they died and

was something traumatic. And in some cases, these memories can be verified. Allowing kids to talk about it is very important. Past life memories can heal. What if memory doesn't begin at birth? What if some part of us arrives already carrying a story? If reincarnation is real, I don't think we're supposed to remember. This season, we step into one of the most controversial and quietly persistent ideas in human history. Reincarnation. We are taught from a very early age in the Judeo-Christian culture that reincarnation doesn't exist.

It's not an escape from the demands of religion. We'll meet people who speak with striking clarity about other lives and the researchers around the world who've spent decades studying these cases. Once you observe this in a child and the evidence is very compelling, you have to open up to another explanation for what is going on. Welcome to the reincarnation records. The reincarnation records will drop on October 7th on the telepathy tape's main feed.

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