The Tim Dillon Show - 178: 178 - Secret Society

Episode Date: December 15, 2019

Reach out to Tim if you were in Skull and Bones or any secret society. On this episode, Tim and Ray discuss whether the human era is over, performing for Skull and Bones, and real Hollywood activism like Lizzo being a truther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hi, I'm Timmy the Trash Can, and I love trash. Popcorn boxes, pots, and candy wrappers. They all taste so good. Instead of throwing your trash on the floor, won't you please give it to me? Thank you for considering your fellow patrons. Welcome to the Tim Dillon Show everybody. We are resuming regular video in 2020. I don't know how many times we have to say that. We know that everybody gets very angry. Video is coming back regular every week in 2020. People gotta beat their meat. People gotta fucking beat their meat. We get it. It's too windy to shoot outside and too cold in California. So what we're doing is we're gonna get a studio. We're looking at a few. We're gonna have one

Do you think you have a, not everyone, we're even most people, but do you think you have a few people who, and look, some people might be attracted to you and jerk off to you for that reason. But I'm saying more like they like what you're saying and they're just getting into a frenzy, jerking off to, not sexually you, but just a feeling you're evoking. I would say that a fair amount of people listening to the show are such degenerates and so lazy that they just do two things at once. And they just jerk off and listen to the show. And it's like one has nothing to do with the other. I imagine a lot of people that listen to the show just spend a lot of their life in one position.

I think I probably jerked off listening to ONA, but watching porn, but having no audience. Right. I've done things like that where you're like, I'm not jerking off to what's going on, but it's just time to get it out. People are talking about banning porn. What? There's a discussion. Who's talking about that? Somebody on Twitter. Nobody really. That's the thing. You would think like it's funny. There's no money in porn, right?

Like someone's making money, but not much. There's gotta be something. There's a billion. It's still a billion. They always say it's a billion dollar industry. I don't know. I don't know. I know like a lot of it's free. You know, the big stars, you know, they have their version of Patreon, the webcam shit. Yeah.

And like, you know, and you get, you get a pair of their panties or whatever. It's all soiled. It's nice. But like, How do you know that from an article you've read? We had Wendy on. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Is that it? That's all from just that episode. I've never paid. I've paid for porn a couple of times. Right. I've never paid for like a garment or interaction even with people. Interesting. I would love to pay for you to have an interaction only to watch it start that only for you to

be like, hello. I think I could pull. Hello. I think it would be amazing. I mean, I'm very happy with Lucy. Are you Jasmine? But I think it would be interesting. I think she'd be behind it.

100%. Yeah. For me to try to pull a webcam girl. What do you mean pull a web? Like actually like data. Data webcam girl. Start out paying. But first of all, it goes without saying.

Start out paying. But then, then like woo her. But you know, so a lot of people, a lot of people start out. That is the fantasy. Right. Like that. Oh, that's a whole hook. Yeah.

That's what horse are about. Not the horse I was seeing back in the day. The good ones. Yeah. Is that like, cause they make you think that like you kind of like it. Right. They kind of like it. You think that one day she's just going to look at you and go, Hey, put the money away.

Hey, put that money away. I just want you. And there was, there was some documentary I was watching about a guy who has just been paying this webcam girl. And if you know what it is, you can tweet me or whatever DM me. I forget what it was, but he was paying her for like years. A lot of money. And then she went and spent a weekend with him.

And it was fucking weird for both of them. She was like, this is weird. And I don't, because they were so used to that digital relationship. She even, I think maybe wanted to try to give it a go. Well, he's like, how's school going? Oh, you know, my professor is like, well, I went to college and this and that. And they had something in common, maybe. Yeah.

Or whatever. But that's different than like, I mean, look, you go on Tinder, you go on, right? Is there a gay Tinder or is it just grinder? There's all kinds of different things. The point is you go on these dating apps and like you're, you strike up a rapport, but like a fraction of those actually work well in the date. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It's much easier. The barrier to entry is so much lower when you're just online. Right. And the idea that something could work. You're with somebody and you're in their physical presence. It's much harder, especially for prolonged period of time. Yeah. It's one thing.

A weekend is a long period of time. Oh, that's insane. That's absurd. Right. So it's like, you could go out to dinner, get hammered, but a fucking weekend. He should have played it like, hey, I'm going to be in town for the weekend. Maybe we'll get dinner. Not, let's go have a weekend together.

I mean, I'm saying like why, but like see if you can get something going, but the pressure for a weekend. That's crazy. Yeah. So that's interesting. I had a girl like effectively do that. I feel like a first date, but then she got made. They wouldn't buy her groceries.

What, when was this years ago? It was like, but basically she, she, I think she was trying to like, I don't think she had a good living situation. I'm, I'm certain she didn't. I think she would imagine she had a very sad living situation. She was sleeping in my bed with me. Yeah. She didn't want to have sex yet.

Okay. She set you down a period, which is all right. But then, but eventually she let me jerk off like next to her. And this was one night? No, it was like a night. It turned into a few nights. Oh, so she just really wanted a place to stay. I think so.

And the furthest you got was jerking off next to her. Yeah. Well, that's romantic. And then she, how was she, when you were jerking off next to her, was she laying down? Was she laying down next to me? Was she looking at you? She was like, yeah.

She was, she was engaged. Okay. Was she fully clothed? No. She had her top off. Okay. And no touching. I could touch.

I could touch. Okay. That was fair game. This was what? Night three? Night. She lived there for six months? No.

I ended it quick because she was a liar. And I mean, Hold the phone. Yeah. This woman was being dishonest, Raymond. She had a very dishonest vibe. She looked at you and she said, I'm going to get over on him. Right.

And I felt that right away. Yeah. It felt sketchy right away. And it was kind of thing. It was like, How does it feel sketchy right away? How do you meet her on Tinder? As we went to Tinder and she's like,

we were having a rapport back and forth. We actually got dirty right away. I think she, and she must have initiated that wasn't a guy to go, Hey, you want to see my dick? Right. But you know, we were sending dick pics and stuff back and forth. And then she's like,

I think it was a school of time or whatever. And we basically met up at Applebee's. And yeah, I guess we were struggling. It wasn't the best date, but she's like, you want to go watch a movie at your place? And I'm like, Sure, which is odd.

I mean, for our first date, which was like, we met for like half price apps kind of thing. It wasn't like, we didn't have like a two and a half hour. She was wowed by the half price apps. Right. She initiated the movie at your place.

I knew it was like, this seems quick. Right. So I was like, but you know, this is the time when I was running and I was, you know, five miles a day and I was like in better shape. So, you know,

maybe she just wants some pipe. Right. Maybe not. I mean, I could fuck. I still can fuck. But I was, you know, it's possible. I'm not a bad looking guy in that moment.

Yeah. But it raised a flag. And then we get back to my place. We watch, I think that Joan Rivers doc. Oh, that piece of work. Yeah. The comedy doc. Yeah.

And then we ended up, we ended up like she slept over. I love that her wanting to go to your home is a red flag. Like that raised a flag. Well, it was just very quick. It wasn't like, usually in my experience, maybe if you have a great jaw line,

a great body, it's a little more quick, but it's like, you know, you're hanging out, you're building rapport. You know, usually we're drinking,

but not like no one's getting super drunk. We're drinking and you kind of that kind of. Right. You're hanging out. A van pulls up. You got a few people in there. You put her in there. It's a practical joke.

You explain to her that it's a joke. Everything is happening to joke. And then she's going to be okay. And it's okay. And you just say, these are your friends and they help you move. And you got a moving business on the side.

And then you put her in the van and then you explain to her that it's for her own good that you've restrained her because people could get hysterical and she could hurt herself. You just, you just don't want her to hurt herself.

So I understand that your usual process not with standing. It's usually a little more of like, you know, you, you. To tug of war, literally. To tug of war. No, it's just, you're having a good time.

Yeah. You're, you're, you're, you're vibing. I get it. I understand. And there really wasn't that much vibing. When I talk to somebody online and they're too, you know, too eager,

I'm like, oh, you're just trying to fucking, you want me to send you my bank account info. Right. And so, exactly. Yeah. So, you know,

I spawned her, she probably took a top off or whatever. We didn't fuck. That's fine. Like whatever. It was quick anyway. It was soon anyway. Right.

And then, I think she left in the morning and then she like the next day, like, you know, supposedly went to school or work or whatever. It was like, oh, you want to hang out?

I was like, all right. And she came over my place and she was like, oh, you want to just like, I don't have anything to eat. Oh, I want to go to supermarket.

I'm like, all right. So, like, we start picking a few things up to make like, you know, at that point, Grant is really expensive. Salad?

Well, I think she wanted a salad. Okay. But like, she bought this really, she was buying this really expensive, like, dressing.

Okay. It's like yogurt based dressing. Ooh. And she's like, picking certain things out. That's what you said. That's what you knew. Well,

at that point, we got to the checkout. And I basically, I forget exactly how I signaled it, but I was like, should I go separately? Yeah, separate. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. She thought I was going to buy everything. And she's just picking out her groceries. This is a real moment in this relationship. Right. You are walking around a grocery store with her. And this is what, where is this?

We've been like Holbrook area. So you're, it's a stop and shop or I think it's a stop and shop. Yeah. So you're at stop and shop with her. Yeah. She starts padding the wagon.

Yeah. With high end items. Right. And then you get, now there's no discussion as to who will pay. Right. And does it seem like she's, it's for more than just one night.

It seems like she's going to take this home. In my head, is she going to take this home with her? Now maybe that, but was it more like, would it have just been for one night? Look, maybe. I wasn't making a ton of money back then.

Now. You were being really careful. I was being careful because it seemed, it just seemed like a weird move. It seemed odd. And so let me explain. Yeah. When you're at the cash register and the,

and you say separate, how do you decide who's buying what? Because you're just, you have one. Well, I think I, I picked out certain things. That's the thing. She didn't go,

Hey, this would be really good. You want to get this? It'd be like, she just started picking things out. Right. And like, didn't discuss it. And I was like, I think I was,

Yeah. And I think I was saying along, I can make this, I can make whatever it would be. I figure what I was cooking at the time, maybe it was quesadillas or something. I don't know. I was going to make it.

I mean, this is your famous thing. It's chilly. I make chilly. It's really good. Deviled eggs and chilly. And you're two things. I am a,

I'm like a little bit of a chef. So, Yeah. I mean, so basically all these weird things that she was picking out and carrying in. Now, when you say separate,

Oh, the vibe, you can see it. She didn't, I mean, she didn't play her hand. Now she goes cold. You can see,

I went a little cold, but that's not what ruined it. I mean, that might have been a siege that ruined this. Interesting. But that didn't. Now what ruins it? So days go by.

Look, I mean, I take it up. I hop down in the next morning. And, we're like, so we, we both get omelets,

right? And then she orders crepes on the side. Now, again, I wasn't making a lot of money at the time. Let me ask you a question. You're an ordering an omelet at I hop because you're doing a high protein thing.

You don't just say, you and her don't decide to split pancakes. We, it wasn't just, we both got her meals. Okay. And she goes, I want to get a crepes on the side.

I'm like, that's fine. Like, it was more, to me, it was more like, it was racking up the price. I didn't say that.

It's like, oh, it's fine. But she's cute. What are crepes? $3. Like $7 or $8. And here's the thing. Here's the thing.

I'm not going to begrudge it to her. I'm like, I'd rather, we don't rack up all these bills, but whatever. I'm not, I'm not being. All these bills.

Three days in. I'm just. Younger based salad dressing crepes. I'm just saying, here's the thing. She doesn't need them. She, she may take one bite of the crepes.

What does she look like? What does this woman look like? That's just a thin woman. She's thin. A thin blonde woman. Attractive. A little older. Probably getting into her mid 30s.

And like, used to be like harder. And now she's a thin blonde woman. And she's in her mid 30s. Yeah. And. Does she look worn? Was.

No, no, she wasn't super warm, but she was, yeah, but it was on the, the good side of almost war. Right.

I've seen some, maybe late nights. Well, she claimed she used to run a fashion line in the Hampton. Yeah. There's a lot of people make a lot of claims. Exactly. There's a lot of.

Everything's, everything's suspect. Everything. So my point is, so look, she already crepes doesn't even need them. And it's like, Oh,

what is that? Like that. It's like, it was a certain level. None of them. She doesn't even have a fork full. She might have one fork full maybe. Okay.

And to me, it just screamed like, she's trying to see what kind of man you are at the IHOP. I guess so. She's trying to judge me by how much crepes. And how do you handle the situation? I didn't say anything. I let it go.

But it's like, it's in the head. It's in my head there. Okay. And then I'm fucking, and then we go with Starbucks and we, she gets her coffee and we go, and whatever.

So you paid the bill at IHOP, paid the bill. And then we, we, we come back to my place. She leaves for the night. I think it was like a Thursday or a Friday, we make plans.

I got, I had a photography shoot in like, you know, hunting somewhere in like up North in Long Island. Uh, that Saturday, we were supposed to hang out. It was just a hangout Sunday. That's our plan.

We're going to hang out Sunday. Cause I'm busy on Saturday. Uh, so it's probably a Friday, what we know less are. And, so I, I guess she had been texting me.

Cause we talked about this before. North Shore, Long Island, when we went there, no, no cell signal. You can't get a fucking cell signal. Not for us, not for sprint.

No, not for, not for slaves, like us. So I'm out there. I'm shooting like, whatever a sweet sweet 16 or whatever the fuck a wedding. And I guess she would like,

I basically get, when I get out of there, I get all these voicemails from her, like just cursing at me, calling me a fucking piece of shit for not like, we, we made plans. And I have to call her back like,

babe, you know, not babe, whatever it was, you know, sweet, sweetie pie. Sweetie pie.

Sweetie pie. You know, it's all good. We're going to be fine. I was just like, I had no reception, but it's kind of aggressive. You know,

she's kind of an aggressive person. We ended up going to a Greek restaurant that I like on Sunday. And she starts ordering zucchini fries and not eating them again. And telling me about this business she used to run. And that's when you broke her nose. I mean,

that's when I got into the thing of like, what'd you say? You got her. I started like second guessing the business stuff. Like, how did this fall apart? What happened? Cause she,

she pushed with the zucchini fries. And you decided to call her out for being a fraud. Yeah. And then she wanted to go, she wanted to go to laser tag, I think. And how old was she? 36. And she wanted to go to laser tag.

Yeah. She won. I mean, at one point I was like, why don't we have to go out? I mean, Long Island should sink. Look, I want someone to date me.

And like, what does that mean? Like we have to do things, activities. And so, yeah. So she starts, we have a big, you know, screaming match in the car. Cause I was basically calling her out.

I started calling her out about her, how I think you're a fraudulent fashion designer. I don't think you had a business. And you ordered these fries. What is she firing back at you? She's saying, you fat piece of shit. Yeah.

You know, you cheap fuck. Like why are you ordering zucchini fries? Why are you ordering these fucking, these crates? This is like you've been married for 10 years and it's day three. Yeah.

What a hell. I didn't come see you guys wanted zucchini fries. Like, well, why do you order them? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not made of money. Right. And,

yeah. So basically we got back to my place and she left and she sat in front of my car, my house for like two hours. I came at one point like, what are you doing? You have to leave. Yeah.

And she's like, I'm on a phone with my mother. Like crying. And I was like, all right. And then, Do you think she told her mother? She's like, she thought you were the one.

She thought you were a good man. I mean, I'll be honest. Do you think, like she got on the phone with her mother and she was like, mommy, I've met a boy. I've met a man named Raymond.

And then she had to call her mother up crying and go, he wouldn't let me or eat zucchini fries. Well, she was telling me how she fucking like, she'd been telling me the whole time how like, her living situation was kind of weird. She was staying in some room and she was going back to school at Suffolk or whatever the fuck.

Right. And like the landlord was shitty. And like, you know, it felt like a scam in hindsight. It's like, maybe I was, as I'm saying it,

like maybe I was being a little cheap. Right. Maybe a little bit of skin fling. Yeah. But like, but the vibe, I think the vibe was, You've got to protect yourself.

I don't like being, I'd rather not get laid than be used. And that's where we get back to porn. Yeah. Is, as, as, as negative as porn can be,

and how it can lead to alienation, is it any worse than what happened with you and that woman? Would you both have been better staying at home and having the cyber experience? I was really good at juggling off the porn at that point. I was like, I had great loads. Yeah.

I knew how I just charge it up, like just kind of like stretch it out. I think there's got to be a happy medium between people saying, we should have the government and force morality. Yeah. Oh, D on porn is not good. Excessive consumption,

excessive consumption of pornographies. It has negative effects. It's also like, it is like, he's like, I probably watched too much porn for years. And, they,

they say like, Oh, it, it fucks you up. You can't get stimulated. I'm a healthy, loving relationship. It's very sexual. We're very sexual.

Right. So I don't know if the long-term effects are as bad as they make them out to be. Right. But it isn't the best way to live. One of the guys that I used to watch on porn, went to a rack and had his legs blown off. He started doing porn again. I don't know.

No, but I mean, it's just an interesting way. It's an interesting life story. Sure. Was he not with the only amateur porn? No. You know,

website. He was like official dude. And he went to Iraq like to be a soldier. He was a soldier. I mean, and then he just, you know, he's lost his legs in the war.

So, I mean this, you know, I don't know. I mean, support the troops, but not, you know, I mean,

so the idea is, Did you ever pay him? No. I mean, I didn't, I'm going to pay him for that stuff. I'm not stupid enough to fall for that. I don't mean pay.

I mean, more like pay like, like, I have a point. I subscribe to like bang, the bang brothers for a little bit. Cause like, look,

now it's a little easier. Cause it's not, I've never watched porn. Now I watch, but no one here as much. But like, you can get full length, like high quality stuff,

free, but like back then it was a little more like, like a guy telling like his nephew at Christmas. Listen, you can get full length, high quality stuff, free. You don't need to spend any money.

You don't know how good you kids have it. I just have to pay money. I was a subscriber to bang box. You don't have to be a subscriber. Well, dang it. I mean, like,

at that point it was a little more, I mean, if you're really savvy, sure, but it was a little more of a hassle to like, unless you wanted to watch, get the five or four minute clip. Wow.

I mean, even though I know it's fake and I know it's like, you know, not actually a, you know, a job interview, it turns into fucking, but I still like the story.

I still like to do the fantasy or whatever. I think, you know, I was just performing in Bridgeport, Connecticut. And I think what's funny about some of these moral questions is they are luxury questions to debate. Just the idea of like,

you know, you know, people debating like, you know, well, drag queen story hour at libraries or whatever, or, you know,

which is inflamed people. Like, I mean, it's like, to me, I'm like, it's people in wacky costumes reading the kid. I don't,

you know, it doesn't seem to be like a library. Yeah. It's like, that's the thing that everybody, but that's a new cultural issue that's like driving everyone insane is like, drag queen's reading the kids at libraries.

I'm not making a verdict here or whatever, but doesn't it seem weird that like, for all the appropriation cult talk and all that, and like, and the self eating left kind of thing that like no one, like you would think that trans people would have gone after the drag queens by now and go, well, you know, and like,

I'm sure there will be no friction. I'm sure they will. I don't know. I tend to think that it's big drag queen should not be reading the kids. Oh, not because they're inherently degenerate, but just because it's fucking boring and like,

you should be doing other stuff that's funner and it also seems forced and weird. It seems forced and weird. Why? Well, like it's like, have a dominatrix or have like, there's nothing wrong with that either.

Like, there's nothing wrong with dominatrix. No, I mean, I would be weird if a dominatrix had a reading program at school, the odd, the idea of a drag queen outside of the direct cause

that's like my drag queens. They don't really live like that. Right? They do. I think some of them don't. I think what bothers people about it, you do live like that. Aren't you like basically trans?

Is that more of a term? Cause drag queens, forget the terms. Doesn't matter. My point with drag queens is like, it's a performance thing. And it's, and I get it.

It's a tradition or whatever. Right. But they, they're, they have a realm. It's weird. Well, their realm is whatever they want it to be.

I mean, they host shows on television. They're, they're, it's not just about dragging. Yeah. But it's not just a nightclub. I mean,

I think drag queens are people that are exist in the world. Like anyway, now, yeah, a lot of them do not choose to live their whole life and drag, but the drag economy is huge.

I mean, people are into it and people go to the show. I mean, the shows do very well. There's a lot of, I've been to a drag show. It's very nice. Yeah.

I mean, the, the, it's supposed to be very funny. You know, I said on the Shane Gillows episode that like, now what's funny is like, they're making drag queens into moralists.

What I think is insane. But the idea is that it's sexualizing this drag queen story. I was sexualized as kids. I don't know if it does or not. I, I will say this. Um,

it seems like it is forced. Yeah. It does seem like there's an agenda and it does seem like, I will say the drag isn't inherently sexual. It's more, to me, it seems like more of like costumes.

Like, does anyone want to fuck a drag queen? I don't know. Some people. Yeah. Maybe. Totally. It's not a sexual thing.

It's like a goofy. Of course. And that's the problem. If you don't go so far as go, you're sexualizing children. Like, cause then you have to like, we're not like,

but the real thing is more like, I don't want to explain this to my five year old kid. It's just complicated. It's complicated and annoying. It's not because like, I think you're doing wrong with you. Yeah.

But maybe you should, but like, it's also like, it's just like, they'll figure it out in time, but it's a little young talk, even like, Yeah.

I'm not a guy that has a strong opinion either way, other than it does seem forced to me. It seems weird. I've been heavily critical of the idea that we, that, that young pre-pubescent or even pubescent children should transition with the help of doctors and take hormones. I've said

that is, I think tantamount to child abuse in the sense that you're taking a very young child and, you know, enabling them to make decisions that will affect the rest of their life. They may not, they may not want those.

Now that we have a more permissible social structure. Yeah. Yeah. They can study it for like 15 years and see how it turns. Cause like maybe 15 years ago, look, it really is, we can really say that like 99% of these people never changed their mind and go,

I mean, it should be allowed to like, but like it really is kind of like, it seems at this point, jumping the gun, jumping the gun. And I also think that a lot of the people that supposedly would have,

a lot of the people that don't transition, turn out to just be gay. Like, you know what I mean? Now I am, so I have always said that I don't think giving hormones to children. I think that's wrong.

And I, you know, but again, if a kid wants to dress up, like a girl, fine, I don't care what, you know,

Lizzie, if you're a parent and you know, I don't think stifling your child's expression is the right way to go. I think that only will make things more difficult later on in their life. I just don't think that you should be giving them hormones. There's a thing that's like,

look, should we have started to make this more acceptable years ago? Sure. But that being said, and like, let's not just rush to like the same thing with the, you know, with the whole trans and fighting and sports.

Like, yeah, maybe eventually we can figure this out. Maybe when they transition earlier people, they won't have the same level of testosterone. It won't be as uneven. Yeah, but like give it time.

And for now it's like, maybe, yeah, maybe some people just get screwed over and can't do MMA professionally. Too much right now doesn't make sense. And I think the problem is you're seeing a real backlash against gay people.

Yeah. And trans people, because you have a very politically active wing of whatever you want to call the LGBT community that is redefining so many things at once. Right. Gender, biology.

Yeah. The, you know, who can play what sports and compete against too. Um, it's, it's really this much change at this pace. People are becoming very uncomfortable with it.

Yeah. And the whole thing is they're like, you know, what's interesting is a lot of the dudes that I meet or I'll talk to and go out with are guys that either are not out of the closet or they're just, they're, they're,

they're out to a few people, but they don't, they're not public, that public about it. Right. Some of it is because maybe there's more fluidity and sexuality, but I think some of it is like,

they're like, well, I don't want to make this my whole identity because I don't, I don't, then I'm forced to be in this position where I have to co-sign all of these other things that I don't agree with that are being shoved out. Everybody's throat.

What's like the women thing or the women in media kind of thing. Cause like, look, you had Ridley and alien, you had me, George, you have a certain amount of like female,

like, you know, a protagonist, Sarah Connor and Terminator. I love that this will have nothing to do with the conversation. No, they're not, they're not how it is.

No. People are like, people are like, people aren't against it, but it's when you start, like, when you start to try to, you know,

we're going to, we're going to make Lady Ghostbusters. We're going to make, you know, the four, like Star Wars is really, even some of this adventure stuff, it's never good.

Like, my point is, it's never, the people who are like, making their point to like, get his representation. First of all, they're not regular people.

They're people who empower, who are like, they have an agenda. And what they, what they force is never really reflected by, like, when they really talk to them, don't seem to like it.

I think it's probably, I can't speak for, you know, the gay community, but I think a lot of this stuff isn't representative of the gay community, like extremes. It's like, it's like the stuff you force.

Nobody wants this. Nobody, nobody, this is a small group of people who are pushing a lot of this stuff. They're not people you, you rarely bump into them. They're not,

they're people that occupy positions of power and feel that pushing this narrative and this agenda is a way for them to solidify their power. Yeah. That is what it comes down to. Sure. And there should be plenty more representation

across the board, but it doesn't. I mean, it's shocking to me that there's not more athletes that have come out of the closet. Yeah. That there are not more actors that have come out of the closet.

And I know behind the scenes that there's a lot of people that identify as either gay or bisexual that are not coming out of the closet. One of the reasons is because I think there's such, there's such a politicized identity. There's a lot of gay people

that just, I just want to be a human being. Right. And there's such a politicized identity to it now where they're like, well, wait a minute, why am I now have to be for third trimester abortion? Right. I mean, look where they do the Kevin Spacey when they came out.

Yeah. I mean, this is a man who lived his life helping the children make, you know, where, what do you think? It's a good, it's an interesting question. I was bought, I was in, so I was in Bridgeport. The point about these whole, these luxury things,

I'm in Bridgeport. Bridgeport, Connecticut is a sacrifice zone. It is one in 43% chance of being a victim of property crime, one in 112% or something, percent chance of being a victim of a violent crime. It's been, it's like an abandoned city. Does it seem like a, like a, like what you call a slum

or does it seem like it's a separate business driving away? Whatever, it's worse than a slum. It's the next step. It's basically, you have a, an urban area, a city center that has been pretty much abandoned. Right.

All of the buildings it says available everywhere. And then you see, you know, there's a couple of crackheads walking around the set, the other thing, but it's desolate. Right. It's abandoned. And I was talking to my friend's father and my friend's father said that, you know,

Sikorsky helicopters is the biggest employer in that whole area of Connecticut. They employ like, I think they have one facility that employs 8,000 people and then they have another facility that employs around 2,500. And then a lot of the feeder companies that make the parts for Sikorsky helicopters.

And he said to me, he goes, listen, he goes, Bridgeport has been bad for 30 years because a lot of those factories move down south. But he goes, the reality is if Sikorsky helicopter leaves this entire area, it becomes like a little Detroit. He goes, we have massive problems.

You know, it's amazing to me how many areas are reliant on one or two corporations and that if they go away or if they automate even half their jobs, you're looking at serious economic. It was like half of upstate, isn't it? Like most of it. Yes.

Because like, Bridgeport was never anywhere bigger. It's biggest Detroit. Right. But like, but I think a lot happened to a lot of upstate, a lot of probably the Midwest too. I mean,

Detroit's remarkable just because how big it is and how widespread, but I think a lot of this country's already gone through a lot of, you know, those scenarios. A hundred percent. And that's when you start looking at like, wow, a lot of these, you know, whether we're talking about morality,

which certainly listen, those conversations have a place, but it's so funny to me that down the road, we might be like, remember when things were good, we're arguing about drag queens and reading in libraries. Well, it's crazy that the only candidate

really talking about it. He's gang. Yeah. And he's a goofball. Yeah. He's the only guy that seems to be like guys, the problems are so deep. Yeah.

And they're not necessarily given easily to political solutions. Right. And even his solution, it's like, that's not the month. And it's like, oh, this might not even like,

it's like, we kind of know it. That's like, if he's right, probably it's probably not going to work. But what he is doing is he's at least said, here's the problem. Well,

it's this weird thing. I was talking to the Uber driver in the way here, because I'm talking about how bad Uber's doing, like how they keep losing money. And I'm like, I'm spending $400 million a quarter on R&D. It's like, you know,

and probably they can make it like self-driving cars or something. Yeah. Yeah. Where is that, where is that $400 million going for research? Well, it's going to be, I mean, you know,

what are they researching where people get drunk and need boobers? Yeah. You know, it's like, and like a certain point, and he's got like in the 60s, and like, I'm the one saying like,

you know, he should be in my shoes, but I'm saying like, at a certain point, you know what I mean? Like I have a free marketish kind of background. I'm not libertarian per se, but like,

but I'm like, I'm saying like, at a certain point, why can't... You're not good looking enough to be a Marxist or a fascist. Fair enough. That's the reality. But at a certain point,

like, why can't we just outlaw certain technology? If it's that disruptive to the public good, to the general good that like, well, because truck drivers, like we're going to,

why are we going to allow the entire industry of people who are the most vulnerable to... Why can't we not legislate progress or the pace of progress? That's pretty much your question. I mean, look, it's not that we have a free market anyway.

We don't. The only time we air on the side of the free market is when we liquidate jobs. So use the arguments that are going to be used. They're going to say, if we legislate the pace of progress in one industry, it could have unintended consequences

in other industries, in other industries, things like healthcare, where I'm just telling you what the argument's going to be. And they're going to say, hey, if Uber can't automate their cars, then how are we going to get this vaccine to you

when you need it? I mean, these are going to be the arguments. And my response is, can you at least take your dick out of the kid before you say that? Right. What we did with you? What is this?

They'll be making that point on an altar, on an altar during a black mass. You know, they take their mask off. They're like, here's the point, dummy. Do you have any idea the percentage of money that this healthcare system pumps in R&D? Speaking of sacrificial altars,

I went to New Haven. I walked around Yale. I'd never been to Yale. Oh, nice. Have you ever been to Yale? What do you think? Okay. The point is, first of all,

I spent a semester there. I want to go... It was like goodwill hunting, but the guy's really an idiot, you know? We'll let you in here. What? What are you writing? Listen.

What are you writing on the board? Just writing nothing. You're drawing dicks. Listen. I'm an unrecognized genius. I've been cleaning the school for a long time. And then they're like, all right, let them write.

Then you just start writing in self. The liberation of women. Becky's in the fucking... Stacy's... Stacy's got to fuck Becky's life. What? I wanted you so bad to be there because I wanted you to...

I wanted to film you outside the skull and bones tomb. Me and you, I wanted somebody to film us. Yelling, you think you're better than me. There was something to me that was so funny about that idea. Have you been like, you think you're better than me? You think you're better than me? Mr. Rothschild Rockefeller?

Here's the thing. I don't think... Here's the thing. I don't think that anyone gets called. It's not like George W. Bush gets a phone call and they arrange to have us removed. But you think there's like, look, a lot of them become presidents or senators.

By the way, do you think anyone has to like remove us from what? That's a great question. Remove us from what? You know, my plan to broadcast from somewhere outside of Tampa in two years, like... No, I meant from the tomb. Oh, yeah.

But my point is... They'll be security. They'll be social security. I do feel like, look, a lot of them become presidents and presidents of Goldman Sachs or whatever. Presidents of something. Yeah.

And there's got to be at least a couple who hang around campus though. Well, so I looked up. So the Bonesmen, there was a... I think it was around 2000 and I don't know. But Facebook made a lot of photo albums public. They were once private. So then there was just this photo album

of all these Bonesmen. Supposedly Bones kids. Bones kids? Well, you know, Yale Bonesmen. Whatever you call them. But, you know, not older people. Like, you know, new inductees or whatever. And they...

You know, there's this... Upstate New York is this island, Deer Island, which is a private Skull and Bones island. It's kind of a dump, right? But these kids and probably older members of the thing, they all go there together. The thing about Skull and Bones is they actually think, you know, from having Russ Baker on the show

and all that stuff, it is just a fraternity of the wealthiest people in the world. That being said, I'm sure within it, there are constellations of power. Sure. Yeah. But also, that ain't nothing. That ain't nothing.

No, it ain't. Fraternity of the wealthiest kids in the world. Yes. And they are laying in coffins and drinking fake blood and there's mock sacrifice. I'm always in this thing. Bohemian Grove, mock sacrifice. Skull and Bones, mock sacrifice.

Why are we doing all these mock sacrifices? You know what I mean? Here's the thing. Here's my example. I look at menus of restaurants. I'm not going to eat them all the time. And I have like... I have a mock meal.

I look at what I'd order. But I'm fat. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I really eat a lot of the time. Right. So the idea that you're like just mock...

It's always a mock sacrifice. No, it's a metaphor. It's a metaphor. Here's the thing. How many other fraternities are there at Yale? Probably... Skull and Key, Wolf's Head. There's a lot of elite...

Let's just say 10 elite fraternities. Yes, 10. If you're doing any one of them. Yes. You're almost controlling the world. You're doing something. You're maneuvering. I'll tell you what I got.

You know how many friends I knew from college? I don't remember. I got one. He runs a bread route. From Martin. See? We're not... I have lobster salad from Sables, by the way.

And I wanted you to bring potatoes. I have great lobster salad from Sables. I'm down. Phenomenal. But the point is like... So the idea that like one step more... No, we're in the most weird elite one. And we do weird shit.

Yeah. So you can call... Of course, this is like... You're already rich kids who have influence. Right. It's just like... Skull and bones isn't the next step of power. It's just a Facebook of next...

Yeah. It's just their social media back then. Yeah. It's just what it is. Right. And it's just the way... It's the entrance point... Right.

Into a world. So I looked at these... Cause I looked at the pictures of these kids and they just look like college kids. Diverse. Diverse college kids, women, everything. So I started looking up some of them in their LinkedIn's and everything. It's kind of funny. Some of them are like SJW.

I think it's hilarious. The Skull and Bones SJW is great. Right. I bet that's actually a thing. Yeah. Like the kids are like, I'm an activist. But you know what I mean? They truly believe they're making the world better.

I mean, what was David Rockefeller... Who is David Rockefeller's grandson? He's a global warming activist. Who is it? Yeah, I don't know his name. What's his name? But the point... The Rothschild kids are like...

Yeah. They have some shit they're fucking trying to save the world with. Right. Right. Right. It's like, yeah. They're stomping around in dirty white cover shoes. It's like, we need to start doing better so that they don't remove us from power.

Yes. Like, no, grandpa was able to like fucking strip mine Africa. I just love it's like, how do they square the... How do they make it all work in their head? Because they... Look, best case. Yeah. I don't think they fully believe it.

But no, because look, someone has to make it better. And they have their hands on the wheels of power or close to it. And it's like, we need to bring the mechanisms of power into the 21st century of equality and anti-slavery, anti-racism. Right. We need to make the world better. We... We're going to make the world better.

But stable. Stable. We can't let... Right. It's all going to go to shit. It's all chaos. Right. I want me and you to do a show at Skull and Bones where we get up there in the dark because

we can't see anyone in the group. I want to pitch this to Yale. I'm dead serious. And now, of course, this is not going to happen because they employ several levels of people to make sure nothing like this ever happens, ever, ever, ever. But the idea... They wouldn't even let Chomsky do this. The idea...

Obviously, just go with me for a second. Chomsky is not funny. The idea that me and you come out on the stage, okay? We have like top hats. Take... Go with this. The kids, the Bonesmen, they're all in whatever, they're in their coffins and their seats in the dark.

We come out on stage and we do our bit. We do our hour. We cover the Long Island Diner, the Luciferian Elite. You go on about Kermit Roosevelt for a while. We do our whole hour and then we just get out of it. Maybe we have a dance routine at the end. Something fun for everyone. We can be compensated, but I would do it pro bono.

I would just do it for the experience of doing it. I just don't think that they... It's sad Raymond that they don't have the sense of humor. That's what saddens me about these snowflakes and skull and bones. Who's very popular right now in comedy? Who's like Kevin Hart? Yeah. I would say him.

I mean, like Fluffy. What were the big people, really? Right. Amy Schumer. They can get any of them. But they don't even want... They can get any of them. But from their perspective, people like that...

But years on sales... They don't like anything that's funny. Kevin Hart wouldn't waste his time there. They can't afford him. The point is that... You think they can't afford him? They could, but they wouldn't and he's one of those dudes who does it. My point is our act is for them.

Sure, but my thing is... Kevin's act is not for you. But isn't part of their thing... Of course it's not. But isn't part of their thing that they don't really care about whatever the art is. They just want to proceed. We had Kevin Hart come down, but we weren't talking. But they can't talk about any of it anyway.

This is my point. Do you see my point now? It's all the same when you can't talk. Right. There's a soft piano. Everything feels good in the dark. There's soft piano. Me and you come out.

We're doing something. It's pretty choreographed. Okay. We're for bigger bent. We're pretty light on our feet. Not quite Jackie Gleason, but we're pretty damn good. You know, we're doing a little thing, a little soft shoe. Hello, my baby.

Hello, my darling. Hello, my darling. Nobody likes that. Nobody thinks that's funny. They might like it. I mean, I'm just putting it out into the world because a lot of people listen to this show and maybe you're in skull and bones and you're afraid to reach out to us. But don't be.

We have a picture of Stalin up on the projector. Yes. You got a friend in me. Yes. Now I like the way you're thinking. We do a whole, you know. It's like Stalin, Genghis Khan, all of it. It's like, we are the world.

We are the children. Yeah. Yes. This is what I'm going for. Just a fun. It's a fun romp. That's all. Yeah.

And then. I think we should. I'm just saying, look, we, we, we broach this idea as I know somebody that knows someone who works it. Yeah. I have floated this idea and the response I got was no, you have a manager. You have an agent. But we've broached the idea.

They're not creative. These fucks. We've broached the idea in the past of me for certain purposes, being your, you know, your agent. Sure. I will negotiate with you. Yes. I will get them on the phone.

I will make threats. Well, yeah. And the idea just because my agent's husband listens to this, this was not a serious consideration. They're very good. But there would be nothing funnier than having you negotiate. I might be having been like, listen, here's the reality. Listen, the money, you need to understand what we're going to deliver. Two words.

You've never seen a show like we're going to. We got to talk about this. It's like the circus when you could hit the animals, you know, when things ran efficiently. You want to stick things in us? Yeah. It's all game. It's all game. I mean, there's something I like about the idea of, you know, I always wanted to be an

elite Raymond. I've always wanted to be an elite, but I was fat and I came from Long Island. You want it too much. I know. You got to take the, but take a cue from me. I'm too hungry. You got to take your foot off the pillow a little bit. Because you see, because you, you present as homeless and disturbed.

But did you ever see that movie with Joe Pesci, where he's a homeless guy at Harvard? No. That's the vibe I'm going for. No, but I did see the Irishman. I want to kill myself. So the reality is I'm just saying these skull and bones guys, what do you think it's like to be in an instant? You get tapped skull and bone.

I mean, I went to Nassau Community College. What's interesting is like, so Bush's kid gets in, Kerry's kid gets in. Bush's daughter doesn't want to be in. She got tapped. She said no. They have a lot of females. They have females now. Yes.

Well, here's, that's the, that's the interesting thing is a couple of levels here. Cause A, it's like, there is that elite crop. How, like, what is the level? Like, what is the more marginal? Like who are the guys who like earn their way into skull and bones? Um, the guys who stole Geronimo's skull, like Prescott Bush and things like that. Was he the first, he was the first Bush to get. He was, I think he was one of the first classes of people.

We know what I'm saying about my point. Is it all legacy or some of these people? No, people are in their way. There are people that are looked at as leaders. They go, this person's going to be a leader for whatever reason. So like those guys are interesting, but also like, is it the same, the same way? Like when you know about like, you know, the Navy, like the Navy SEALs aren't called Navy SEALs. It's like Dev grew and there's a SEAL team six, but it's not really SEAL team six anymore.

They changed the thing. So is skull and bones even the thing anymore? Like if Jenna Bush is going, I don't want to be a part of this. Is there something else? Is there just like, you know, Bahamut's club, uh, social club or whatever. That's, you know. Hey, you're bones man. I'm actually in Bahamut's social club.

I'm just saying the idea of being an elite, forget the secret society. Just the idea of being at Yale, going to Yale. I think it's, here's the thing. Right. I have no friends that are elites. I don't think it's great. I think George, yeah. I think George Bush senior, the first, you know, Prescott, George Prescott Bush, uh, or the Walker Bush, whatever.

Who cares? The one who's in the CIA director, you know, the first president Bush. I think he, because his role in the CIA and probably killing Kennedy and getting Nixon, like he enjoyed the work. I think most of these guys, you look at a guy like Hitler, you look at a guy like Stalin. Stalin was a criminal. Hitler was a, whatever the fuck, he was like a fucking soldier who turned into a fucking degenerate. Yeah. Let's just get that quote.

Stalin's a criminal. Hitler is a soldier. Let's, let's just, that's going to be great for the new podcast app transcription service. No, I'm thinking he was like a degenerate artist. Yeah. My point is these guys weren't, didn't come from elites, but the people who really want to go crazy transforming the world in their own image usually don't seem to come from these circles. Right. They're probably, it does seem to be unless you,

I've never, I've never, Raymond, I've never been invited to like someone's compound. I've never, do you know what I mean? Yeah. I've never been, I have no friends. It went to Ivy League school. Do you ever show up to a party in high school that you weren't invited to? Yep. Ray, it's a Long Island party.

It's a different story. We make a fucking nice mac and cheese. We make a fucking quiche. I know, but I'm saying that I, oh, so you're saying that's the way we just get in? We make something nice. You show up with a quiche? We just bring a bottle of champagne. Now I like the way you're talking, but don't you ever say, I just want to be, listen, I'm

in the inner sanctum of comedy and I realized how much it sucks. Right. Then I want, it's not that it sucks. It's just different from the rest of you guys. The, all of you out there that think that it's going to be a certain way. Once you get in these groups, it ain't that, it's not what you think. Right. It's just what it is.

You know, sometimes you'll, you'll be around people and you'll be like, oh, this is somewhat different than I'd imagined. I just want to know, I wonder if you burrow into the elite sanctum. You know, the inner sanctum. I don't think they like it. I don't, except for the guys like, like, like who are actually with the hands. We have a lot to offer Raymond. I'm saying, but we, but we would, that's the point that we're not trying to preserve

anything. Right. These guys look like Jeff Bezos or a guy like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. They're disrupting and becoming rich and pushing out the old people. Yes. And like, and the more power or like when Rockefeller and Carnegie did. So is that why they won't let us in? They're afraid of us.

I'm trying to follow your logic. Yes. They're afraid of us. They're afraid. We're better than them, Raymond. We can do a better job. We can do it all. But the point is their job is to be, is to preserve the wealth that came before them.

They can't let us in because we're charismatic and they fear us. Yeah. And they can't use us because no one likes us and we're not attractive. Exactly. That's interesting. They can't really blackmail us or use us in any sexual way. They can fuck us, but I mean, whatever. We'll let them fuck us.

Interesting. But they can't really use that because we'll just let people fuck us. Doesn't really matter. Right. Dale Carnegie fucked me. What is it? I'm talking to Charlie Rose. He's like, what?

Who are you? Is Dale Carnegie still allowed? I don't think so. I read his audio book years ago. And I went for it. I just love it. That's what your character at Goodwill Hunting writes on the chalkboard. Dale Carnegie fucked me.

They're like, let's take a look at this theorem that he came up with. What did he write? He wrote Dale Carnegie fucked me. That's what he came up with. But here's my old thing. I've always had a fascination with the elites. Right. They've never had that fascination back with me.

I mean, you're very good at crowd work. I don't know. I have material too. I know. Don't say that. You say it. I mean, no, no, no. I mean, elevator.

Good jokes. You have great jokes. I love your Navy Seal bit. It's great. It's a fun one. All your bits are great. You have seen bits great. They're fun.

Point is I don't know if they value that as much as we do. Interesting. I don't. I think they tend to. Now here's the thing. They all can't be fucking and eating children. No, but they're fucking like grown women or men. Right.

They're doing something. They're doing. Look, when you look, you know more like you haven't dealt with the elite, but you've dealt with rich drug addicts a little bit. Right. Yeah. So compared to the way you enjoy drugs, they enjoy it less. Correct.

Yeah. They enjoy everything less. There's less thrill to it. Yeah. They enjoy everything less. Yes. Good point. There's a numbing effect.

I'm not one of these idiots who are saying it's better to be poor. Right. But you know, but I'm saying is. Let's not say that. But my point is like, I don't think that they appreciate it. They would kill themselves if they became poor. Right. But they don't have the context to really get a thrill out of it.

Or you enjoy the way that you, you know, berate a, you know, look, if Prescott Bush's grandson, whoever he is, Archie Bush, whatever, within the car, within the Pierce Bush, within the car with us, when you're yelling at a Taco Bell worker for leaving at your nacho cheese, I think it's hilarious. Yeah. We started into like to attack, but you know, and jump through the window. Let me, I want, I want the best for people. Yeah.

And when I see them not performing their tasks. Right. And I only yelled right cause she laughed at me. She just didn't understand you. She laughed. You knew she laughed in my face. Right. Well, you said you want, I think she laughed because you said I want nacho cheese and I

want to dip my like apple slices in it. Whatever it was, what'd you want to do? She, this is why the bagel guy was not that wrong. Yeah. There are people that let, she just laughed at me. She thought I was funny. I was not trying to be funny. She thought you were nothing to worry about.

And right. And I just went at her and I, and you know, you make a whole big deal out of this. You keep bringing it up. No, it's a fun time. I liked it. You were unpredictable guy. She, she was really starting. She's terrible.

She was a terrible person. Yeah. She's probably an MS 13. So she has nothing to fear from me. Right. But now that I'm recounting this, I understand why many of the elites would not be a party to the people. Right.

Like they're just going to be like, can you shut me off? Like they're not going to, I enjoy your company. Right. They don't like unpredictability. You're a little bit of a wild card. Yeah. I guess you're right. I guess that's what it is.

I'm a little bit of a wild card and so are you. Yeah. But we should be proud of that. I am proud. That's what America is. I'm trying to stick it to these guys. We're American and you're doing a great job. We're America.

I'm just, it's interesting to me when you walk around a Yale and you go, you know, are these people aren't better than us. I don't believe they are better than some of them are, but I think we're as smart as they are. We're smarter. We're smart. You are smart. You are smart.

But I feel like we just lack discipline. We lack, what would have had to happen in our lives? Think about this. Yeah. For us to have gotten into skull and bones. We've never had a shot. No. Even if I got into Yale, like, I think, look, they look at you if you look at our parents

for them are poor. Yeah. I mean, they look at us probably worse than like scholarship, like low income people who get scholarships, like pure, like, like, interesting people. Yeah. Our parents are. We're worse than that. We're worse.

Yeah. To them. I mean, like, like, I think our level, like when they, what they think of as poor is people whose parents are like, you know, successful surgeons, right? Or like, you know, they own a small company and aren't the, aren't the president of an international bank. Right. Like, so I don't know that even if we got in, I mean, we'd have to do something like

the capitate of statue. Like, you know, or like, we'd have to really make a name for ourselves. We have to burn down the food court or whatever they call it. You know, we'd have to like. Imagine we burned down the food court because we thought again, it's in the skull and bones. We just ended up in jail. Like, what are you idiots? We wanted to make a statement.

We burned down the food court thinking we were going to get tapped in the fucking skull and bones. And now we're in jail. Can somebody please, if you get somebody, please my dumb fans are all going to, by the way, do this and can somebody please DM me anonymously and tell me about how they got into skull and bones or scrolling key or Wolf's head or any of the opportunities, make an Instagram account, just DM me anonymously. Now, I know what I've just invited and I know that it's just going to be a million people

calling me fat, but please seriously, if you are serious about it, do a dummy account. We'll never know who you are. Just DM me and tell me how it happened. I'm curious and agrees to wheels to grease the wheels. You can fuck us. You can fuck. Listen, you want to come in here and fuck us? You can fuck us.

Even if you need a real human sacrifice, so many of our friends will gladly be sacrificed by you. I look. What am I going to do? Go to the bar every night. Right. Making my podcast, please listen to my podcast more. Maybe I won't feel this way, but it's like, it's starting to feel like...

Listen, here's the deal. If you let us in for just a week, sacrifice. Yeah. Sacrifice both of us. It's a great ending. It's a great ending. Let us in, show us how it really is, and then light us on fire. Now, what if they did that and they go, this sacrifice won't even appease the gods?

It won't even... We can't even do that. He's actually going to get mad at us. Yeah. You give us this. Hey, we sacrifice young virgins. You slops. You fat fuck.

Yeah, cult shit is weird though, right? I mean, it is interesting, but it is weird though. There is some weird shit going on. Yeah, of course. Look, I mean, Washington DC, the amount of symbolism. Yeah, it's super weird. You have to go that far to go like, oh, is it designed like a pentagram so we can channel energy from Satan?

I don't know. Maybe. At the very least, it's just weird. We do enough evil shit, whether we're challenging. Right. You know what I mean? That's the thing. That's the same thing.

Why does it matter if the kid fuckers weren't goat heads? Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's just... Why does it matter if like the Washington Statue is designed to have to bomb us? I think what it is, what it does is it just... Here's what it really does. It illustrates how wrong you could have gotten everything. Sure.

That's what I think. I think it's also... So do you think it's anything to the idea of like, they wanted to let the Pope know, like, don't even fuck around? There's something to that. The fact... When they were... The back end of that poem is still...

Also the Church of England. Yeah. Do you think it was a certain level of like... There was absolutely that type of paganism was a way to... Because the Enlightenment did kind of play with secularism and all that. Yeah. And the symbolism of Freemasonry was like about enlightenment. But maybe it was also like, hey, like Church of England or fucking Pope, like, we got our

own thing going on here. I think, yeah. I think part of it was 110%. Nick Bryant said it perfectly. He's like, some of it is optics and appearance of things. And he goes, some of it is not. There are some people that are, you know, really occultists that are deadly serious about it. And you know, who's who?

Very hard to know. No. We know who's what rank they are. Who's very hard to know because me and you have been kept completely out of every circle, you know, other than the comedy. And here's what I, because the elite in comedy, I've been allowed into that circle just seeing some of the funniest people in the world. And it's not necessarily what you would think.

Right? It's just not what you would think. It doesn't mean it's better or worse. It's just kind of different. Right. So I wonder if you got it. I'm sure the skull and bones kind of sucks. I'm sure, because you know what?

Nobody in Yale is really that good looking. I was walking around looking at Yale. I'm like, these kids aren't that hot because they're smart. They're not that hot. I mean, San Diego State much hotter. This is like you're kind of saying, I know you've dealt with executives and all sorts of people, but like it's calling these people the elite of comedy is like calling Coltrane the elite of jazz.

Yeah, he was. But like that doesn't mean like he's the most talented ever or one of them. But like doesn't mean like the talent is never the quote unquote elite. It doesn't really go hand in hand. Interesting. Like the elite are people like David Geffen who runs the record. Well, you understand what I mean. What I'm saying is that I've had a vantage point to see comedy at its highest level.

But really nothing else. Right. I've read about a lot of other things, but the only rooms that I've ever been in where you've I've seen some of the top people in an industry have been in comedy. Sure. But you're still not like in a closed room with Lauren. No, but I'm pretty close. I'm pretty close.

I know what those rooms are like. I've heard the stories from those rooms firsthand. Right. My point is that I'm saying is the tentacles into comedy from power aren't really that many and they don't really get used for that much. Yeah. And like as great as you are, you've kind of done, you know, a lot of ways to thumb your nose rightfully.

Well, they're just right. I mean, yeah, you're correct. I'm not a guy. The industry of comedy respects and I'm very funny, but I'm also not a guy that they consider to be malleable. Right. And they're, yeah, no, 100%. I'm just wondering when I walk around an institution with Yale, I'm like, I wonder

how wrong we have it or how right we are. That's the question. I think the, yeah. I think it's just what's interesting to me is they've probably seen some horrific shit or they've heard of it. They're one degree separate from some horrific shit, but the level of boredom that they have with it. You know, so like Les Wexner's kid supposedly is like a bones man.

Right. So like, is that weird? Does anyone turn around and go, Hey, like what's going on with dad? Well, I don't think he talks his kid about it. But I think when you're, when you're, when you're his kid, there's a kind of exceptional one where you're his kid. You know the stories. You guess what's up.

You start piecing things. It's kinds of pranos where the kids start to realize that dad's in the mouth here and like, Oh, is that why who the FBI was doing that? Oh, is that who that guy is? Oh, that guy's a cat. Oh, and it all kind of comes. And so as you come of age, you, it's not so much that he ever tells you per se, but you kind of go, Oh, I probably got to start doing some dirt.

You know, I probably got to start fucking. Well, it's just interesting. You wonder like what gets talked about in a place like that. Will somebody bring it up? Will somebody bring something like that up? Um, that's a great point. It's very like very rarely. But that's what I mean.

But they're also, they're all doing drugs, aren't they? I don't think you would think so. Right. I would think they're having their college. Yeah. I mean, they're going down. Yeah. No, I think they talk about it.

But they probably bond over. Yeah. I think my dad might like, you know, kill people too. Like they don't really know. Cause like what, I don't think those parents ever tell the kids that much. Maybe maybe they're older. I mean, they're 50. Of course you're not telling the kids that much.

I'm just wondering what like you wonder in that group. Yeah. Are they Boy Scouts? Are they like, Hey man, I don't know. Shit happens. Like no, no, no. No. They're smart enough.

No. They're not that stupid. They don't look, they don't have the ambition of a true sociopath person. Like there are certain kinds of sociopaths, but the kind who would get into that club on his own, but they, they're not like, look, it's the kind of thing where they think they're like decent guys, but like they've all witnessed date rapes does nothing. They've all gotten chicks drawn. Like they've all paid for poker.

Many of them. Yeah. Sure. I'm saying it's kind of maybe not. Maybe I'm, I'm wondering if these kids are kind of like cucks. And I, by the way, I'm not saying that I'm not saying that non-date rapist guy, but I mean like maybe they're not doing drugs and partying. Maybe some of them are.

Maybe they're, you know, how, how many of them are Malfoy and how many of them are Ron from Harry Potter? How many of them are the redhead kids? Well, I did when I was a kid. Don't give me a face like you better than me. It was when I was a kid. I watched an animal farm as a kid. Yeah.

You're reading an animal farm. You want to see what your future is. No. I think most like, look, if you look at drug use in general with rich kids, it's like pretty common stereotypes. A lot of them end up like drug problems. Look, we were talking about like that Robert Cohen stuff. My dad got me that Robert Cohen Saudi River book and like, yeah, it's really hard for

rich kids, for instance, to like build wealth on their own and not to be product prized on their family's wealth. Like it's hard. So if you're, if you're part of that system, I think it's hard for a lot of them to like not fuck around with drugs and alcohol and then like push boundaries. Those parents are always like high power people who aren't paying attention anyway. So like, why wouldn't they be getting into the trouble? So the odds of them being Boy Scouts is like, yeah, that's, that's, I'm wrong on that.

Yeah. I think so. They're smarter. They're shrewd. Yeah. They see how like they have a sense of like their dad has like, he drops little pearls of wisdom like, oh, you know, Gaddafi told you was smart too. Right.

Clean your room. Right. So it's like, they, they, I think they get the whiff of it. And by the time they're in college, I think they're piss ants in a lot of ways. And I think they're, and they don't really know, I'm not saying that they're qualified to do any of the dirt, real dirt, but I think that I don't, I think that they're totally willing and think, and think more of themselves than they are. And they, they, they, they think they're bred for this when it's all horseshit, but they

think they're bred for it. And that's, I think the arrogance of thinking you're bred for it is a lot of it. The arrogance of that builds into you makes you into the kind of sociopath that eventually can, because all you're really doing is manipulating the wheels of power. Kurt Vonnegut, we must be careful what we pretend to be. Yeah. Yeah. That's really, that's really what it is.

Very interesting. It's a very interesting discussion. And, and what it, what it really hits home to me is that we will, we will never, ever, ever, ever, even accidentally be welcomed into. Well, if we get a job at the local pizzeria and we deliver a pizza one day, we buy to our time. What if we're delivered? Yes.

Like in, in, in, in March of the Wooden Soldiers, we get delivered. We pose as hookers. And we, we, we pop out of a box. Yeah. Or a bomb. I pop out of a bomb. I think that, and you know what owns, like Dear Island would own scombones, Russell Trust Association.

I also think they own Yale. I mean, it's like, it's big money and big power players. And you know what? I mean, I got to be honest with you. Is, is anything there more elite than what goes on at Nassau Community College, which is where success starts and continues. You kid. But I mean, I, I've heard.

It is the top community college in the country. I've heard that like they've, they've had like in the past 10 years, like 30 people become like partners at Goldman. Have you ever been to the top flight food court? No. Well, it's phenomenal. It used to have a Taco Bell and I would get a grilled stuff burrito. It's, it's nice.

Does Goldman recruit out of Nassau? Actually, I was kidding. I would say no. Okay. But I'll tell you who does the Suffolk PD. I'll tell you who does recruit out of Nassau Community College. Well, I'll tell you that camp is put the Brentwood campus of Suffolk. Right.

And it's just shame. Oh, Amherman sucks. No, I didn't go to that. I went to Brentwood. Oh, that's still Brentwood. Brentwood is like, they don't even have grass. It's just like crab grass and like, and the buildings are all just like, they look like they look like the, that, uh, like a branch to Vinion complex or something.

Well, it's what the people deserve. I would like to go back to Yale with you. Yeah. Let's go now. Let's get Uber. Well, no, I want to go get the Christmas log cake right now. I love a Swiss roll Christmas cake. It's, it's, it's very, and, uh, and the restaurant that's doing it is Keto.

Um, are you still Keto? Yep. Two months. Keto. Keto. I'm wearing smaller pants. He's a Keto man with a Keto plan. I'm fucking, I'm just getting the hard dick and, and, and strong abs.

Well, I don't know about that. I haven't seen that. I think it's good for your blood flow. It might be. Yeah. But I also think that, you know, there's all kinds of debates about what is good and what isn't good. Look, at the end of the day, you go, is that healthy?

I'm like, being massively overweight isn't healthy either. It's only bite the bullet for about. The reality is being alive isn't healthy. Yeah. Let's be honest. Being alive is not healthy. Right. That's the reality.

All right, everybody. What a dinner that wasn't. I mean, it was meat. It was meat. Little disappointing. It was a lot of fat. I mean, the thing, here's the thing. You asked, I don't want to disparage the woman.

She meant well. Um, she was being a little too flirty for my taste. She was, she grabbed your arm. The wages grabbed your arm. Yeah. Now, when you grab a man like your arm, right? She's taking her life in her hand.

I'm getting, I mean, I didn't get hard, but like, you'll, but here's the thing. If you'll, you might just bite. Well, I'm not going to bite her. Well, just as a reaction. Look, I'm just saying I'm in a healthy relationship. I'm getting laid. I'm being.

It doesn't matter. That's, that's not even there. I'm being milked. But my point is that, you know, certain point. Certain times in my life, I'm more lonely. That human contact. I get a taste for it. Maybe I start seeking it out.

You know, it also was very expensive. Was it, you had what? Three bourbons? Two. Oh, just two? Yeah. I think you had three. I too.

Are you sure? I didn't want a third. I said no. Okay. Two bourbons. That's fine. Um, I'm sorry. No, you can have as much bourbon as you want.

Um, you know, I think by, you know, her touching you, she's pressing your arm like that. Yeah. She's taking her life in her hands. I might have better. I mean, I probably will have pet her. Worst case I'm saying, I would have like grabbed her head. I'm going to start petting her head.

Here's what I could see happening. Yeah. She caress, she caresses you. Yeah. You turn around and grab her hand. And now she automatically knows she made a mistake. You look deeply in her eyes and go, I feel something too. I feel something too.

And she immediately knows, now what does she do? Is it like an anaconda? Because when you're an anaconda bites you because it's teeth curve backward, you have to actually force your hand deeper into its mouth before you can get it out. What does she do? Does she just pull away or does she caress you a little bit, even though she's very fearful, terrified for her life?

Why would I keep caressing you? So you loosen up the thing and then go. I would say, you know to do stick it in deeper. Take it deeper. But no, but like, yeah, she, but she was a little too familiar. We're talking at dinner about the lack of real activism when it comes to Hollywood people. Like, yeah.

And because some of it would be a little funny. Right. Like, you know, why isn't like Lizzo a truther? It would be funny if Lizzo would, but not a 9-11 truther. No, Sandy Hook truther. It's just Sandy Hook truth. Yeah. Because Lizzo does these things on stage before she performs

where she goes, I want you to put your lights up. That light represents the light inside you. And I want you to look at yourself and you say, I love you because you're beautiful. And I want you to look around and realize that you are the only one you need. I want you to also ask yourself this question. Why would they build another school where the Sandy Hook High School was? Does that make any sense to you? I don't think it's good.

Well, whatever it was, middle school, why would they level the building and build a completely new one? That doesn't make any sense. That's all. Right. And then she would just go into her stuff, you know? I mean, I just like this picture like her having that giant ass and there's also like a facemile.

What do you call it? Facsimile. Facsimile of building seven just collapsing. Yeah. I just want you to love yourself. Ladies, love yourself. And also realize, let's be honest, that the Mossad planted the bombs in the towers. Your children are crisis active.

Your children, have you ever met anybody that died in Sandy Hook? I don't think so. There are no death certificates for any of them. Where are the death certificates for the kids? Okay. Jerome. Jerome. Drag your ass home.

What's his name? Little Zeke or little? I don't know. Little Zan. Little Zan. Little Zan. Well, he doesn't even know where he is. He's from an LL team city.

Yeah. Yo, there's a crazy shit to happen in that LL team. You know, like, you know, remember Terrence Yeekey? He fucking, yo, son, just he dead and the shit because he knew the big Vade did not act alone. All right. Now here's my new song. It's called I Love You Bitch. Who do you think would do worse in a crowd that was there to see Lizzo and Little Zan?

The Beastie Boys or Dick Cheney? I feel like Dick Cheney would do better. No, the Beastie Boys would do a lot better. Okay. That's how relevant they are, though. They might as well be. They're not as relevant. They're so relevant.

My friend Michelle went to go see them when they were in Brooklyn. I just love an interview with Doja Cat where she really starts talking about, you know, like, you know, some, like where she just goes off about the Anunnaki and they're like, listen, you know, you juice is about butts. She's like, yeah, it's about butts, but it's like also about that we were created as slaves to mine for anatomic gold, which is the only way that the Anunnaki on their planet is the only way they could breathe. I believe the asshole is your third eye.

Yeah. Your asshole, you can see through your asshole and it's like your pineal gland. You have to open your asshole up because that is where you're going to see the truth through your asshole. That's why it's protected by all that fat, that good, beautiful fat, gelatinous fat. But yeah, none of these fucking people, none of them take it where it should go. I mean, look, they all want to talk shit about, like, everybody's woke, but nobody's really woke.

Yeah. No one knows. Like it's like, oh, you know, fucking, uh, Cointel pro. Right. But no one wants to admit, like, yeah, who, who is this? I want to thank my manager and my agent. I want to thank all the fans and I want to thank Larry Silverstein for saying pull it audibly on tape before building seven came down.

He said, pull it bitch. Hey, listen, this was dumb life. He's a fucking, um, my wife's sort of skin tag. I just want to say this. The dream come true to stand up here in the American musical wars with so many talented people. I also want to say let's be honest. If they had a million death camps working 24 hours a day, they never could have got to

six million. That's just the way it is. That's just the way it is. You just see people like, what? Stop mid clap. Just really confused. Why doesn't that happen more often? Why don't people, why don't people just have like, like almost have a mini stroke and say

something crazy more often? Why don't the people who've been given houses and we're going to beach? Yeah. Question the. No, you know what I mean. No, like these people are on so many drugs. A lot of them. Yeah.

Somehow they stand out. This is where people can message me. They're going to be like mind control. But it's like every now and then like Sean Penn would have a slip up. Kanye. Kanye. But it's like interesting that. As ballsy as kind of as much as you don't really give a fuck or supposedly as a give

a fuck. You remember that? Like George Bush doesn't care about black. But even that, he looked nervous. Well, sure. Because that was, you know, I mean, I'm saying like when's the last time you saw someone just really like when they do have those little spurts, it always comes up. No one's just going to like drop in knowledge.

Yeah. Well, it's just that listen, the system works and they're not going to jeopardize what they have. But I just find it funny that like, you know, Roseanne goes off, right? Sure. Roseanne's wild. But she's also mentally ill. I think you got to have a little mental illness to risk so much.

You got to realize you're living. Oh, yeah. Well, first of all, like, I think she's a little more freewheeling after she lost the show. Yeah. She wasn't pretty, pretty out there. She was pretty, she was pretty out there before. But she's also such a maniac. Yeah.

That like, even though like, I think a lot of people thought, well, she's so crazy. No one's going to take a serious thing anyway. And then she kind of went further than they thought she was. Look, you can argue the whole tweet thing. It did cut. Look, to me, it came out. Was she wearing the clothes of Dr. Zayas? I get.

But, you know, it came off like, ooh, why should be in that racist? Yeah. It didn't look good. It wasn't a good look. But in general, when she's like, no, the crystals in the end. I just think she's one of the, I just think she's one of the only people that even looks into that. I think a lot of people out there into what?

Like numbers know the counting of the numbers. It's nonsense. It's to anything. She's just one of the only people that looks into how the government is run. I don't think a lot of people really know what she is though. What do you mean? Well, I mean, it's QAnon shit. Some of it is.

Some of it's not. Some of it's not. I listened to her. That's the whole thing. Some of it is QAnon shit. Here's my thing. I mean, dude, if you don't want QAnon shit to get popular, I mean, you know, don't kill Epstein.

Don't fuck. Sure. I mean, I love a crazy woman as much as the next guy. Yeah. I was, I'm just saying, I don't think that these people even have a clue. A lot of the people that are in Hollywood, that are actors or actresses or big musicians, I don't think they, I don't think they've looked into anything. What do you do as a Kylie Jenner?

Because I mean, look, Kim is one thing, but Kylie Jenner. Does she just think she's like an Egyptian God or some shit? Like she's just something like, like, does she even realize how fucked? Cause I feel like Kim, you know, she had to have a porn tape first and it was a little more messy. And then she had the reality show, but Kylie is like a billionaire. She's like, well, like nine, 16 years old. Yeah.

I'm just saying, like, she just thinks she's like a fucking reincarnated, like God. Like, does she even realize how, cause she should be ground zero of knowing how fucked it is cause she's part of this weird apparatus. But I feel like she doesn't. But you're asking if Kylie Jenner is questioning things. If she's questioning, I'm asking if she's reading the nest, the nest report on building stuff. I don't think so.

No, but seriously, is she, is she questioning, like, is she aware? Wow. I'm just getting over or she just deludes like self delusion. I don't think she thinks she's getting over. I think they're a smart family, right? They're shrewd. They know how to fucking operate and they're, they're just fucking dude. I know some people that know them just, I don't, you know, I never met them.

I didn't know anything about them. That's, that's, I know a few people that know them and just, they're all about business. You know, Kris Jenner is about business. They're fucking just, you know. So I mean, she started a, what is she's a billionaire cause of a makeup line. Yeah, I'm not putting it down. I'm not just, but like, No, I'm just saying, yeah, I mean, you know,

You realize like you're, you're like, you're part of this weird nexus of reality TV and sort of a porn thing and it's weird, like, I mean, it's interesting to any of them feel guilty about Trump. That's an interesting question. Like to any of those people realize that the world that they help build people, Donald Trump, I don't really know. Well, I mean, I feel like he was doing his show before they did. I'm talking about the world.

I'm talking about, and I'm not saying that they're responsible. I'm just wondering if they ever look at what, you know, They've, you know, contributed to in the type of celebrity obsessed culture. I mean, Trump comes from an obsession with celebrity and celebrity culture. That's all that's left in America. You know that everything's rotted. The only thing we have left is an obsession with celebrities. I got no love for them.

It'll be easy for me to agree with that. But I kind of feel like Trump is this kind of primal celebrity. That's almost like a Barnum and a PT Barnum type. That's exactly what they are. Exactly. I'm saying he would have, he would have resonated in the 80s. We did. He didn't.

He wasn't president. He absolutely wouldn't have. Trump is impossible without the Kardashian without people like that. But Trump doesn't exist without the real housewives, without the, the, the onslaught of reality television where you're watching a show that is fake and you don't care. Let's go with me for a second. You're watching something that isn't real and you don't care and you still enjoy it.

And you know that the, you know that it's heavily manufactured. And that, you know, best case, heavily manufactured. Worst case, completely manufactured. And you don't care and you still enjoy it because it's real enough. It's just real enough. The houses are real. The outfits are things they might wear. They live in the places that they live.

But the actual interactions and things are all heavily, you know, manufactured, arranged. I think without that, and I think that, and everyone focuses on social media, which is absolutely true. You know, social media has made us more coarse and callous. And the way we deal with each other and process information. But if you look at reality television, the way that that's helped shape culture. I mean, the way that people act on a reality show, the way that they act, how aggressive they are, that they just fight each other, that they throw wine at each other.

And that you enjoy the spectacle of that. Okay. And I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's a Roman Coliseum. Fair point. It's been around forever. I mean, the way he's the latest manifestation. The way he brought a bunch of sexual assault victims to a debate. 100%.

Yeah. No, you're right. This is a move that is, it's a, it's a move from the series for this season finale of your favorite show. And reality TV is the world that, you know, America, you know, is a reality show. Right. And you know, people said that and it's kind of like, I don't want to say hack at this point, but it's a cliche thing to say, but it is a reality show. People, you turn on the news now, not to get news. Right.

You turn it on for drama. What is the big selling point for reality TV is drama. Well, here's a weird thing. We're old enough. And we, and you, I think you, you, the kid watched some news as a kid. Like, you remember what the news was like. I remember the news. Kids who are like 20 now, didn't grow up with that at all.

They have no idea. It really, the news was boring. Nothing. They think the news is boring because they hate, they don't care about anything. Right. But the news used to be, I mean, if you watch the NBC nightly news, it's still a little dry. Right.

But I mean, like, but no one's watching that. I'll tell you this. Kids that are growing up now, nothing is boring. Right. The idea that anything is boring, everything is entertaining unless they turn it off. We used to have like people, I mean, it's still, I guess PBS is still like that. But like, but I mean, it used to have shows, but like PBS, like when you watch PBS now, if you're a young person listening, go watch the Jim Lear news hour on PBS and subscribe.

Right. That's what like most. It was a corpse. Yeah. And that's, he's dead now. Compare, compare. Ready? Charlie Gibson, Sam Donaldson, Koki Roberts.

The most you got was, what's his name? The McLaughlin group. And he was still a fucking like a geriatric. John McLaughlin was a wallflower compared to any of the people that compared to fucking Tommy Lahren. Right. Compared to Alex Jones, compared to, you know, anybody. I mean, even a maniac like Papu Cannon, he's still sitting there most of the time not

saying crazy shit. Right. I mean, he's like responding to questions. Compare that to Bill O'Reilly, compare that to Hannity and Combs, compare it. Like Bill O'Reilly, like Papu Cannon would just be like, well, no, I think he's just not like, he'd just be explaining the answer. And then sometimes he would say the whore, but you know, whatever you do. The whore.

The whore. And he was a clown. But I mean, it's still like, it is the level of theatrics that the news has become. Well, part of it, I think is that, you know, 24 hour news, CNN came in in the 1990s with Iraq war. And then like the OJ Simpson trial changed a lot of it. People, that was the first news story that I think ran round the clock. And then we've, we started the process of becoming a tabloid.

I feel that Nancy Grace really was the final level of it. It wasn't good. I mean, she was maybe the, I think the final level is I'm Donald Trump and I take the other off. Fair enough. Not as far as like, cause even with Greta Sustrin, she was much better than me before the plastic surgery. But like, that like, of course, she got made her name off of Court TV and the OJ trial,

but she was still like, oh, she used to be a journalist and she's kind of a respectable person. This whole idea that you had point counterpoint, like the politists, the politicization of the news to where it was like, this guy says this, I say that point counterpoint. There are no facts. There's just interpretations of a story. And then the idea that you had two people on either side of it and then you had two networks on either side of it.

Then you had Fox and MSNBC. And then, you know, things just splintered into a million different versions of reality. And now, so it's interesting, like where, what is the next iteration? Because we're a tabloid country where we're a celebrity obsessed culture. Where does that go? Like where do people get totally turned off by that eventually? And what is the, because here's what I'm watching now. I'm starting to kind of watch like Jeffrey star, who's this trans, very wealthy guy on

YouTube is huge. And like, I don't watch it, but I like, I like try to keep tabs on what, what's going on on like you. Cause in LA, it's hard to ignore like the hype beasts, these kids that buy sneakers and shirts. They stole my phone. Yeah. They stole your phone.

I try to do that on stage when I do your accent and everything. I was like, buy a goddamn hype. But the reality is there's, there's, there's an interesting level of materialism. Like Jeffrey star and Shane Dawson just released this conspiracy theory, I believe like line of makeup. Yeah. I'm not kidding. They did this thing on YouTube called conspiracy theories where they investigate conspiracy

theories. I don't know if you're familiar with this. This is a, this, this guy, Jeffrey star is, I mean, look him up. Look up Jeffrey star. We're talking about massive. We're talking about in terms of YouTube numbers, you know, maybe one of the biggest YouTubers. So Jeffrey star, just to give you an idea, his channel, he got 16.7 million subscribers.

Okay. 16.7 million. So what? And now Shane Dawson, who's like, Oh, wow, this is a trans person. Yeah. And then Shane Dawson, you know, you're looking at his channel, he's got 23 million subscribers. So then he did this, they do this thing, you know, conspiracy theories and there was makeup.

Is it Jeffrey star approved? So here's, here's, here's what's interesting about all this stuff. This kind of rampant materialism, which I've noticed like, well, there's also that makeup kid. What's that guy's name? The young kid? Yeah, I don't know. But he gets like seven million like viewers.

There seems to be a real obsession with makeup, with accessories, with clothing, that by the way, there was always fashion when I grew up, there was always like the idea Gucci and Prada and whatever. You know, and, and, and, and then there was always styles. There was, you know, I grew up with like baggy jeans and eventually was Jankos like I just started a jacket. Yes. The materialism isn't new, but there's this new iteration of it, right?

And it's very interesting. And I wonder where that goes. Well, here's, I mean, look, it's crazy. I wonder if, because like you watch these guys and like these makeup kids and like the plastic level of it and like, and like, I don't think most of the people watching it or when I watch that video, I feel sick not because the guy is like, you know, has style or is glamorous, but just like, it's all so fake and weird and I get, I get depressed. Right.

This is what kids are like. I don't think kids, I think it's just more like, I don't think, I think a lot of the kids are just watching it and going like, they're not really, but that being said, like, it's so fake. It's so overdone. It's so over the top. What, yeah. What is the attraction to that?

Is it because there's such an emptiness all around us that the idea that something is so almost like it's like a fairy tale or it's like the way people are made up. It's like, it's, they're so well, look at pop music, right? They almost look mystical. I don't know. They're there. Are they? Is this a thing of, is this an offshoot of comic book movies?

Maybe. I don't know. I mean, look at pop music, right? We're a large generation to have it. You're coming to LA. You are opening for Doja Cat. Of course. A lot of people think that I'm lying about that, but you are opening for Doja.

No, I've been asked those. How did you meet her? Well, I was at an Orbeez and I was throwing up in the bathroom. Now, what was it? Was it bad meat or was it too much? I think I didn't say too much. Okay. And she's banging on the door.

Like, I gotta think of shit. Right. I come out and go, you look framers or something. And she's like, bitch, I'm Doja Cat. Oh. Tim Nillon talks about you. Oh. What the fap?

The greasy motherfucker. She said faggot. Don't put your tongue back in your mouth. I saw what she said. I did fap. But we got some drinks. Get some Hennessy. A little bit.

Got a little Henny. She got a little Henny with her. Doja Cat drink at Henny and pay for cops in Orbeez. Yeah. And then she said, why don't you know, are you going to do music? What are you going to do? I'm going to do my synth music, but also like I make electronic music. Everyone knows that.

Yeah. And I'm going to do like spoken word over it. I'm going to do a show in LA where you just do synth music and spoken word. I'm not even kidding. I'll be amazing. What are you trying to say? All right. So we grew up in the generation of the boomers too.

Yeah. So look, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles and like they were good musicians. Right. But then you have like the generation after the Van Halen's and I'm saying like they were like, we grew up in the nineties with grunge Nirvana. Right. And like, and Nirvana was kind of legit. Like they was a troubled guy.

It's not, but all the other bands are around them. There was a definite currency in Authenticness, whatever you want to refer to. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And like whether it was horseshit, but there was a value to that and we, and you need to have it. And even pop music at the time wasn't as much that like Millie Vanilly, like when they found

that they lip synced, they were shunned. Right. Right. And that's gone now. Yeah. Like anyone caring of anyone like, I might even say that no one's authentic, but that no one cares if you are. That's not part of the, even country music.

Part of, yeah. No, I think you're absolutely right. Part of the attraction to a lot of these people is that they do style themselves as, I don't want to use the word freaks in a negative way, but like people that are so over the top. Right. And so out of this world that you wouldn't necessarily, like they are glamorous to luxurious as your, your buddy, Contra points opulence. Like the idea of it just being over, it's just overkill.

You know what bugs me about it? You look at Ziggy Stardust or like Aladdin's saying like Bowie's different looks and personalities. And he was doing it at a time when like no one necessarily wanted it. It was weird. Like so much of the stuff now it's like no one even, like there's no one set. I mean, I'm sure like there's a fucking pastors out there going, this is the devil. Do you think part of it is that people have actually gotten pretty boring and they're, they're, they're actually trying to figure out a way to seem unique and different, but

that, that social media technology is kind of flattened people. Whereas people and, and, and they're corralled very easily into all liking one thing so that individuality has kind of been destroyed. So the only way to do it is to just paint yourself. I mean, I, I see it myself. Like I, I, and some of it's just, you know, me being a blowhard idiot, but, you know, but I'm a relatively nuanced person and I'm not the, I have your tweets sometimes. Like, and then people, you know, some resonates.

You instruct your client to answer the question. The question was when was the last time he saw the victim of this crime? He has said he is a nuanced person and that he has good tweets. The question was when is the last time you saw the victim of this crime? No, my point is like, yeah, no, like it's what's rewarded. Generally speaking is more monosyllabic or more like things that are just kind of more digestible. So that's one element of it. But it's also, we were talking before like, yeah, look, this was great.

And like a lot of these people, those are cats. Yeah, she's good. But like, it's not Whitney Houston. Right. And then Lisa Franklin. Right. There isn't like, I don't know where. There's so much of it now goes into the marketing.

A lot of it is the marketing and it's not so much. I mean, I mean, I think it's interesting. And I think so what you, what you see now is you see it on the left and the right. You see like these discredited ideas, whether it's communism or whether it's fascism or whether it's, you know, white supremacy or whether it's these Jew conspiracy theories. Like Jewish, Jewish conspiracy theories. Sorry. But they all come back. We all, you know, and there's something interesting about the idea that maybe we are reaching the end of a stage.

And that because technology has gotten that we are going to, you can technology has become so powerful that the next stage of our life is going to be unlike any that we could imagine. Like it's not going to be because we seem to be in a loop where we're just trot. We have the same problems we had a hundred years ago other than the, you know, that have been made better by, by technology or medicine or whatever. We have the same issues with each other. We have the same problems. We have a lot of the same conspiracy theories. We have the same fears. We have the same maybe at a certain point.

It's just we're, we're on the verge of taking that next leap into whatever the future is going to be in it. It might be where the human era is over. I mean, it's interesting because I'm never going to be one of those guys like who, oh, like it's too much op not opulence, but like permissiveness in society and all this shit. But there is something weird that happens when the permissiveness of what everyone call it or just the lack of taboo in society means that art has no more power. There is there is no potency to art ever anymore. Right. You know, almost nothing you do is shock. And not that you want like shock effect in art per se, but that out like you like even South Park is which is great and still it's still brilliant.

Isn't really shocking people, which I like that. Well, I would say that it's I think it's a great point about the permissiveness in society. But it's also what happens when the satire becomes the news like Trump is the president. Kim Kardashian is at the White House campaigning for. Well, that's more like the over the overstimulation and the over. Yeah, there isn't. I mean, all of the possibilities or many of them have been realized. I mean, we are at a point now where to to satirize or you can't heighten anything anymore.

We've talked about that. Right. And you just you just wonder at a certain point where it's like how you know the human race in general. It's like, you know, you know, are we at the furthest we can go? I mean, is look, there's different types of totalitarianism, right? Right. Like the Nazis, clearly evil, Stalin evil, the Roman Empire killed a lot of people. Yeah.

But I feel like it was a little less like, you know, race driven, maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. Yeah. But regardless, I'm not promoting it. But is this kind of almost a natural like like only the matrix there was a hole and they meet that fucking the Colonel, the Colonel Sanders guy. My point is a cyclical is this thing of like, yeah, you like, you know, society will get to a point where every because this is kind of reminds you of Rome and Caligula in a way and hero. And that's what we here's the problem.

We as biological beings are just not efficient. Right. We're just not right. And the phone that we hold in our hand, all the technology around us is so much more efficient than we are. But we're kind of gumming up the system with our stupid ideas, right? Right. With our racism or whatever. We're just gumming it up.

We're fighting with each other. It just is what it is. At a certain point, we're going to have to be made more efficient. And I don't know how that's going to happen. I don't know if that's going to be efficient for what meaning that I think as AI gets more powerful and as automation gets more powerful. There's probably going to be ways to fuse with that technology to make us potentially more productive and efficient. I'm not saying this is going to be a good thing. I just don't get if that's the goal.

That's not the goal. I think it's just going to happen. Boy, the best already happened. But the best the outcome that the people in power are cool with or would be cool with. Sure. And we know who's in power really from the end of the day and what they're into. Right. What they're willing to allow.

Why are they, what keeps us around at that point? Oh, I don't know much. I don't think we're, I just, Are they really going to pay for that fat guy at Walmart to get melted with a computer? No. I mean, and it's part of why I think you see the gates being, you know, every house is a fortress and they'll have their own private security. And I think part of this is the long con of how exactly do we let large sections of the country fail. Do you think they hope?

You told me before how LA like cholera is coming back in this country. Oh, all of those. Do you think that's, I'm not going to go as far, although I would. I'm going to start going to as they're doing on purpose. But do you think they're kind of actively hoping that diseases spread? I don't know what to do. I don't. That this whole four ago.

I wouldn't say that, but I think they are making contingency plans. Yeah. Have been for a very long time to just allow LART. And listen, Youngstown, Ohio, Flint, Michigan, Detroit. This is not Bridgeport, Connecticut. None of this is a speculative. And to be clear, this is not that reptilians control population. This is about, it's not about saying they're right, but it's about saying we know that there's a certain lack of humanity in the ruling class.

And at that point, like, why would they keep around the poor? This is part of why you don't want this on society because this is what it leads to. The reality is you look at what's going on and you say that these, you know, they've already let cities, Detroit did not have to fail. That's number one. Detroit did not have to fail. I think globalization didn't have to go down the way it was. All of it didn't have to happen. The point is that there's a certain callousness that the ruling elites have towards human beings.

It's just, it's just not, I don't see. Now you also have tech. Now the guys that are at the head of these tech companies a lot, and I've been reading about them recently, a lot of them, you know, they're utopians. They do believe that they're making the world a better place. Yeah, for who though? Well, correct. Now, when you have those two things happen, when you have the callous, cold hearted, you know, very pragmatic in a, in a, in a, in a, you know, sinister way elite, have all these tools and all this technology, you know, what happens?

I think the only thing that happens is they let large sections of the country fail. Right. And most people will then at that point flock to cities for work. And those cities will become mega cities, which is why the Pentagon studies fighting. What's it going to be like to fight urban warfare in mega cities? These are things that the Pentagon studies, because they assume that by 2040, the populations of Los Angeles and New York have grown exponentially. But like, they're not really like, you look at how New York is growing, quote unquote, and it's growing with these like massive towers for the rich. But like, they're really not expanding where like, I mean, I guess the suburbs are more like, but you know what I'm saying?

Like, it's not like there's a ton of jobs in the city that are being absorbed into the city from Detroit from like, it's more like people, those people, most of those people are just out of work or in fast food or service. But I think what happens in what they're imagining that will happen is Detroit is not going to be a rarity. It's going to be one of many. Right. And I'm making the point that I don't, I think having super cities is seems like an optimistic outcome compared to what we've seen. No, I mean, super cities, I don't know what you mean. I'm talking about you will have like very crowded.

I mean, similar to Asian cities with a very crowded and the majority. People who have been pushed out of their work aren't going to flock to New York. Cause like that's the last place you want to afford to live there. They live in slums. They live in slums. Go to Hong Kong. They live in slums to Mumbai. They live in slums.

I'm telling you, the future of this is from the Pentagon. This is not from me. This is from the Pentagon. They were right by Iraq. No, I mean, well, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. They're people are a goat. Do you want to go to East New York? And you want to go to these places and you want to see how?

Right next to the Brownsville. So you know that poor people live in New York. I don't understand what you're saying. But poor people didn't like mass migrate to New York. Of course they did. They've been doing it for 200 years. Why do you think they're fucking poor people have been coming to New York City forever to work? Well, immigrants come through New York, right?

That's part of it. You've all came through New York. You have all kinds of people that grew up in horrible places that come to New York and rust bell towns that are shot. Where do you think they go? Youngstown, Ohio. They come here. Absolutely. There are people that are here to be waiters.

I don't know what you're saying. New York is a whole entire population made of people that escaped from somewhere else. All right, through me. Okay. So if all of those things, if those areas continue to not be able to support population, they're going to come here. They're going to go to LA. Don't have a choice.

Right. But I'm saying like at a certain point, the jobs will be filled. Well, yo, yeah. Okay. That was your argument. Yeah, no, the jobs are filled now. Right. They're going to live on the street.

Okay, yeah. What do you? What do you? See the guy? See the guy? See the guy? See the guy? See the guy?

See the guy? See the guy? See the guy? See the guy? See the guy? See the guy? See the guy? Are you like they're fucking super?

You fucking retard? But it wasn't weird either. I do. They're mega cities. They're go to Hong Kong these, they're, there's large underclasses in all of these cities. You just don't see them. They're in New York. People just don't see them.

They don't see. And they're going to, it's going to be more and more prevalent as time goes by. I'm telling you, because also there's no services that come here for government services. We have more services here. Okay. California has more services. Don't they push everyone upstate? They tried.

They will continue to maybe try. That was back, but still there are still more services here than you're going to get in a rural part of the country. Well, people just start farming again. You know, I mean, we used to, like honestly, though, it's like it's, you wonder like the soil is going to be poisoned. It's also Monsanto's. Yeah.

People, people, a lot of them cannot farm. They're like not allowed to. There's no kinds of laws and regulations to prevent them from doing it and nobody has those fucking skills. That's the weird thing. I'm going to get that. It was a silly thing to say. But it's like, the weird thing is, you're watching this all happen and there's no reason

why it has to. It was my point. Like we have resources still. Well, no, there's no reason why you, because rich people want to take everything. That's why it's happening a lot. You know, they don't, they're not content with having a hundred million dollars. They want a hundred billion. They're not content with, you know, this is the, the, the, the, the level of consolidation

in these, in these major industries, like media and finance. I mean, it's just wild. Well, I mean, we're acting pessimistic, but Trump might clean the swamp. I mean. Oh yeah. He's going to drain the swamp. He's going to drain the swamp. None of it has to happen, but all of it's going to happen.

It's going to happen for the same reason that like, you know, your family, you could get along better with your family, but you don't and it's your family. So the idea that a guy who's just been raised, you know, completely wealthy is going to give a fuck about somebody. It's just not going to happen. It just doesn't happen. You know, it's just not going to happen and, and all people can really do at this point is get on a cam and start flicking their bean and hope to God, hope to God that somebody's

into that, hope to God that you're a fetish. I would love to, you hopefully you're a fetish. Look, you have a bigger, bigger following now than what we were doing. Yeah. I think we should start a website. I need your help. Maybe Ben could help with it. Yeah.

I want to be a cam girl. I want you to be a cam girl because you listen, folks, the way out is being a fetish. Right. The way out is going to be a fetish. I'll eat things that you tell me to eat a muckbang, a muckbang, putting a roasted chicken in your ass. I'll wear a thong. That's going to be the way out.

Yeah. That's going to be the way out. I'll suck all sorts of dildos. You're going to have to do it all. Yeah. You're going to be dressed up in Jeffree Star makeup. I would like to see you get, I should make up tutorials. You should do makeup tutorials.

You should get glamorous. We should glam you up. Wow. That would be great. When you come to LA, maybe we'll glam you up. Yeah. I'll be a real glamorous. I'll be a glamour pig.

I mean, gender is dead. Everything's, it doesn't matter. Who gives a fuck what I got in my pants? It doesn't matter. Nobody. It doesn't matter. You're just going to be fucking glam. I mean, honestly, sex seems passe to this generation, doesn't it?

Yeah. Nobody's fucking. No one seems to want to fuck. Nobody's fucking. And I get it. Can I like fucking? But I can also, you know, if I had to, yeah, let's just fucking get glamorous. That's what it is, man.

You're coming in different ways now. Yeah. You know, so much of it is just, you know, performative. Everything's performative. You just want other people to validate you. Sex is like, you know, it's earthy. It's like old school. It's gross.

You stick something in your nose and you start coming. It's fine. Yeah. You just, people want to be glamorous. Yeah. They just want to be, you know. And ass isn't even sexual anymore. It's just an affirmation.

Like a lizard thing. Yeah. It's just affirmation. Yeah. No one's jerking off that big ass. I want you to put your lights in the sky. Those lights represent love. They represent the love that I want every, inside every single one of you.

Okay. And I just want you to, I want you to tell me one thing. I want you to tell me why a bunch of Jewish art students were in the World Trade Center. They were bomb technicians for the Mossad. They put bombs in those towers and they fell. Let's go. Why a man great cause it gotta be great. Thank you for listening everybody.

Please phone your complaints to my agent manager. I'm kidding. Where can people find you? Find me on Twitter and Instagram at RayCump. My Twitter, you can, you, Cump podcast. Check that out. It's back now. It's back.

It's back. So is our love is disgusting. Great new episodes of both podcasts. You can go into my Patreon. You can find it on my Twitter. My Patreon feed. But yeah. Check me out.

I'm Ray Steiner. Make Our Love Is Disgusting. We're also starting to make sketch videos. So we're going to make a YouTube presence probably. So 2020 is going to be big for the Cump universe. Go subscribe to all that. Go subscribe to my YouTube channel, the Tim Dillon Show. That is the channel.

Tim Dillon Show. My other channel I do nothing with. Tim Dillon Show on YouTube. All our sketches, our podcasts are going to be re-uploaded. When we take the ads out, the YouTube may or may not have a problem with. We don't want the channel taken down. So go subscribe to the channel. Subscribe to me on Apple podcast.

Also on Instagram, Tim Dillon, D-I-L-L-O-N Twitter, Tim Dillon, TimDillonComedy.com for all the dates. We have just announced Austin, Texas. I'm going to be there in January. It's fucking great. I'm really excited about that. So if you are in Texas, I'm telling you right now, don't be stupid, fucking go and come see me.

January 15th through the 18th, I'm going to be Caps City. Caps City. Caps City in Austin is one of my favorite clubs. Okay. Also, I'm going to be in January. I'm going to be at Magoobies in Maryland, right outside of Baltimore, Maryland. I'm going to be up in Toronto at a great theater. I'm going to be at the House of Comedy in Arizona.

I'm going to be in Minneapolis at the same. I mean, you just got to go TimDillonComedy.com. All the dates are there. Grab the tickets. We have links to all of the places I'm going. It's easy to navigate. And yeah, like I said, if you are in a secret society or you were tapped to be in one and you didn't choose to be in one, very interesting.

Or if you have a friend that was in one, DM me on Instagram or DM me on Twitter. And again, many of you will do this as a prank, but I don't care because I will find the real ones. Doesn't matter. Many of you are going to be like, I'm going to do it. You're fat. I know. We get it.

It's a funny joke. Those guys aren't fucking us. Whoa. We're not letting them fuck us. You're not fucking us. Only legit. Legit people that are in a secret society that want to tell us how it works and also want to sacrifice us.

Let's keep the conversation open. Yeah. Let's keep it open. I will. I have an agent manager. I will put you in contact with them. If you want to sacrifice both me and Raymond, put us on spikes and roast us like guinea pigs.

I just want to feel something. Percent. Goodbye.