The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 131. Russell Brand: EXPOSING the Profit System & Why We're All Getting Sicker

Starting point is 00:00:00 Most of us, by default, become members of the biggest cult there is. The cult of commodity and consumerism. The cult of bad food and big pharma. You're not offered the opportunity, unless you're born into a family of people who know what a score is. Unless you're lucky enough to be born in that, the system will turn you into a lot of commodity. The most powerful and most influential institutions now control that segment of the population. We're a lot more sick and diseased and pathological than we really deserve to be.

Starting point is 00:00:27 If something is geared towards the continual maximization of profit, it will always be corrupting. I know you've been very open about your history with addiction, how you solved that path. How has that journey transformed you? What the culture is telling me is,

Starting point is 00:00:41 if you are not famous, if you do not have money, you are not valuable. Now, I might have other pathological reasons for not feeling valuable. And one of the ways I best understand it is through the sort of rubric and lens of addiction. Thankfully, I've been educated and now so I'm on a different path to communicate a message of value to the maximum number of people. If Russell Brand were to look back on his life, humanity, public policy, what does that look like? Sometimes a fractured society, so full of falsehoods and damnation. And yet I have the sense that we're on the precipice of... Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

Starting point is 00:01:26 I'm your host, Gary Brekka, human biologist, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, longevity, biohacking, and everything in between. And today's guest is a sure treat. We've had an amazing morning here at the house with his kids and his wife and his family. We see eye to eye on so many things. He is an incredible comedian, actor, and a wellness inspirational individual that's just been on a tremendous journey of his own. So welcome to the podcast, Russell Brand. Thanks, Gary.

Starting point is 00:01:58 I've actually been here eight hours. You've accommodated me and, as you say, my family, so beautifully. I've had hydro baths. I've fallen asleep under some sort of red light sunbed thing. I'm still wearing a weighted vest, even though I'm sat down now. He is wearing a weighted vest. It's branded. It's got your name on it. Yeah, he took, so he walks into my house.

Starting point is 00:02:20 I've known him for, you know, three, four minutes. He goes, what are you wearing? I said, oh, it's a weighted vest. I take it off. He puts it on. And I don I said, it's a weighted vest. I take it off. He puts it on. And I don't think you've taken it off since. I'm very happy. And I took it off in the bath, of course.

Starting point is 00:02:30 You did take it off in the bath. So he took a bath with his son and one of his friends. We've had a whole day of biohacking. He's staying right across the street. So this is how we survived the hurricane. Turns out we see eye to eye on so many things. And we've had some really inspirational discussions. But you know, a lot of my podcast guests, I think are very analogous to you and your journey in that they had a problem in their life.

Starting point is 00:02:58 And they solved this problem. And through the solution to that problem, they've become these massively impactful figures. And I know you've been very open about your history with addiction and how you solved that path. And it turned into Christianity. It turned into a massive voice for mindfulness, for meditation, for spirituality. I wonder for, you know, my guests that maybe only know you as an actor, comedian in your, I'll say, former life, it's still your current life, you know, how has that journey transformed you, and how has it put you on this path to be such an advocate for mindfulness and spirituality? And you've almost even become this anti-corruption purveyor of the truth. And I'm very attracted to people like that because you are so purpose and mission driven.

Starting point is 00:03:54 And the media hasn't been particularly kind to you. Sometimes they're not kind to me. And so talk a little bit about this journey from actor, comedian and addict into the impactful journey that you're on now. Gary, I hear you over the course of the day talk a lot about stimuli and response. And the response that we, the conducive response between an external stimulant and whatever inner mechanism is impacted or responds to that stimuli. I heard once that in chemistry, if two components are introduced, if they react at all, then both are changed forever. I feel like a lot of people...

Starting point is 00:04:36 It's a truthful statement. Yeah, it's cool, isn't it? I feel like most of us, but maybe many of your audience, and I know a lot of the various types of audiences that I have had and hopefully have grown and have grown with me over the years, will recognise that we interact with the apparently raw material of the culture and wonder how we might fit in with it. In fact, there's a beautiful quote by George Bernard Shaw,

Starting point is 00:05:02 the playwright, who says, the reasonable man looks at the world and asks how he might fit in with it the unreasonable man looks at the world and asks how it might fit in with him i think many of us look at culture and think what am i supposed to be doing in this culture now me i have a lecker as you obviously do and now i understand a little bit about your history and how you've been able to apply your core competency to a variety of different fields. My inherited ability appears to be the spontaneous response to new stimuli and communicating new information. Now, I come from a pretty normal background back in England.

Starting point is 00:05:43 I come from a place called Essex. If you don't know what Essex is because you're American, it's... I've heard of Essex. It's New Jersey, is what it is. Okay. So if you come from a place like that and you're aware of urbanity and cosmopolitanism, and then you're aware of fame and celebrity and excitement and all of those things, the culture is telling you, I don't know, maybe you're getting a different message, but I feel that what the culture is telling me is if you are not famous, if you do not have money, you are not valuable. And actually, at that point, I wasn't famous and I didn't have money, so I didn't feel particularly valuable. Now, I might have other pathological reasons for not feeling valuable. And certainly, I've explored them at some depth over a variety of conversations with a number of people over the years.

Starting point is 00:06:20 And one of the ways I best understand it is through the sort of rubric and lens of addiction. Nevertheless, getting famous and becoming a celebrity is pretty exciting. People have done it, sort of know it. Going from scarcity to abundance is a pretty exciting journey for most people. But we're all dealing with the palette and the spectrum that we are shown.

Starting point is 00:06:39 You know, I reflect frequently about how if I had known when I was younger there was a different pathway I may have taken it but being a comedian that seemed like a pretty easy fit for me being in movies that seemed like a pretty exciting opportunity for me and the fruits that the culture promises you worldliness are by their nature exciting and stimulating who doesn't want to be surrounded by nice material things who doesn't want to know what erotica is like when it's abundantly available i know that i found those things pretty exciting but luckily god made me a terrible terrible drug addict so like because when i was pretty, I was addicted to crack and heroin, in my 20s, say, I learned that the only way to...

Starting point is 00:07:27 I was shown. I was shown. I did not work this out. I remember someone taught me earlier today. In English, we say, I speak English. That's how we say that statement. In Hindi, the equivalent is, Hindi comes to me. And I have started to recognize that most of the things that I have in my life, one way or another, have come to me, whether they are hard to recognize that most of the things that I have in my life one way or another have come to me, whether they are hard, painful, agonizing lessons, or great and

Starting point is 00:07:50 abundant gifts. Even the pleasure of today, I ran into Asim Malhotra, the brilliant British cardiologist, doctor, and activist whose film, First Do No Farm, is an excellent one. I had a podcast with him yesterday. I recommend everybody look. Everybody watch that. What a great guy he is.

Starting point is 00:08:05 Watch that documentary. Do no farm. So because I trust the Lord, I run into him in the hotel lobby. He's like, oh, Russell, are you here to see Gary Brekker? And I'm, I am now. And like, you know, of course he was generous of spirit. This is good. He didn't sort of like try to keep you behind a little paywall.

Starting point is 00:08:26 Like he was like, oh yeah, Gary, you know, do you want me to connect to you? I was like, yeah, I do. And then like I messaged you, you messaged me back. In fact, I mean, Max, I don't know how to do your job. You're obviously brilliant, but you could drop in some of the videos. We should show the videos that we exchanged because they were absolutely hilarious. Pretty funny exchange. And then within a few hours, because I trust the Lord, when you say to here i come here and bring the kids bring the family come here they're playing with

Starting point is 00:08:48 your family members i'm having a great time with my wife my buddy's here with me and i feel like i'm happy and in the flow of things somehow before i was corrupted by some malign flow towards the culture i'm not saying there aren't marvelous people in the culture i worked with amazing people in hollywood brilliant intelligent with amazing people in Hollywood, brilliant, intelligent, creative, wonderful people. But those institutions, those corporatized, centralized institutions, as you described earlier in the day, and I won't be specific in case it's not something you want to be publicly known, but if something is geared towards the continual maximization of profit it will always be corrupting what industry at the top co-level isn't geared towards the maximization of profit hospitality big pharma big food look at all of

Starting point is 00:09:34 them they're all geared towards the maximization of profit throughout therefore like an institutional level money is being saved products are being made addictive i'm talking about food now and brilliant work of bobby kennedy and callie and casey means so now me i don't want to just do work where like you know we're appearing films unless them films that have a really really amazing message and i can't imagine that they would have although i would like to sort of there's a lot of things i'm learning about at the moment around christianity and stuff and i'd love to make some movies around those things and talking to people about those things but now what i've realized funny enough going around the block with the gift of addiction,

Starting point is 00:10:06 with a gift of trauma, with the great gift of my disadvantages, the gift of coming from where I come from, having the afflictions that I have, now I'm on a pathway where I'm much happier. I wish I'd been set off in this pathway in the first place. You know, like Gary, with Dalai Lamas and that, I know that Dalai Lamas is not a massive category.

Starting point is 00:10:25 You can only have one at a time, but all different types of Lama. You can only have one at a time. This is true. You don't want Lama rap battles, but with, like, Lama hierarchies. You know, like, in Tibet, they go around and they have a little poke around, see kids that are looking a bit off-key. Like, that kid's probably a Lama. Show him a walking stick, show him a bowler hat from yesteryear, do a little ceremony.

Starting point is 00:10:44 If it turns out he's a reincarnated L llama, you're coming to the monastery, son. Now, in our culture, where we don't believe in reincarnation, I believe in eternal life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Like most of us, by default, become members of the biggest cult there is, the cult of commodity and consumerism, the cult of bad food and big pharma. That's the cult, the glistening and shimmering cult of mammon. We're all indoctrinated into that cult. You're not offered the opportunity, unless you're born into a religious community

Starting point is 00:11:11 or have the privilege of being born into a family of people who know what a score is. We're not giving our kids that food. We're not giving our kids those medications. We're not letting our kids watch those kind of shows. We're not letting our kids go to those type of schools. Unless you're lucky enough to be born in that, the system will turn you into a lot of commodity.

Starting point is 00:11:27 So now, thankfully, Lord, I've been educated, and now I'm on a sort of a different path where I hopefully can learn the skill set gifted to me by a variety of experiences to communicate a message of value to the maximum number of people. And thankfully, I don't even have to take care of it anymore because you're being charged with that bit. I'm going to relax. But, you know, and, you know, we talked about messaging to the masses and we talked about,

Starting point is 00:11:52 you know, sort of this, just the state of the world and society and how we got here and got so divided and how we got so upside down with, you know, the corruption in our, you know, our political systems and our food systems and our food systems and our industry of pharmaceuticals and disease. But turning this somehow into a message of hope is, I think, the greatest gift. And we talked about that a lot today in the eight hours that we spent together. And you had really some incredible kernels of wisdom. And I wonder if you might talk about what your message is to the masses now. I mean, you do talk a lot about mindfulness, a lot about spirituality. You talk about the impact

Starting point is 00:12:33 that Christianity's had on you. You know, you found Jesus, or He found you, and you now subscribe to that lifestyle. And so how has that changed your message? And what is your message to humanity now? I mean, if Russell Brand were to look back on his life 25, 30, 40 years from today and say, I accomplished my mission. I have this vision in my mind of where I would like to see humanity, public policy. And what does that look like? What does your utopian world look like? Isn't it strange, Gary, that it seems so bleak at the moment, sometimes a fractured society, so full of falsehoods, persecution, condemnation, war, toxicity, and damnation. And yet I have the sense that we're on the precipice of something

Starting point is 00:13:26 quite incredible just because I get to speak to amazing individuals quite frequently. Now, say if people have a vision of changing just one area, let's take the area of food. If someone is an expert in nutrition and has a vision for how to alter food in particular ensure that people have access to good nutrition say if that person who knows how to spread a message around nutrition well were to work with people that have political influence a few examples like callie means or bobby kennedy who's interested in this subject i'm beginning to see that there's sort of an emergent corpus, and the cartilage between the parts of this emergent new anatomy can be animated by a certain type of spirit. Now, you asked me this question, particularly in relationship to having become Christian,

Starting point is 00:14:17 having been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And I love it because, you know, we... I do too. Thanks, man. I praise Jesus. Everything you do these days is like criticized and condemned. Of course, people see me as a famous person getting baptized. And I love to watch like the kind of propaganda done by, I suppose they're establishment support in podcasts,

Starting point is 00:14:36 but they think somehow that they're doing something vanguard and important. But no, they are supporting the interests of the powerful. They're the same kind of people that would get Pfizer tattooed on them during the pandemic period. Forgetting for a moment, the big pharma, we've always known those were the baddies. We've always known that during the opioid crisis. We've always known when there are peculiar out-of-court settlements with Johnson & Johnson over their baby powder or billions of dollars are spent on out-of-court settlements by the pharmaceutical industry. That's an indicator, and we all know how the FDA is run and how the CDC is run and how the NIH is run.

Starting point is 00:15:10 We know, and have known for some time, these people are not the good guys. And if you find yourself advocating for their perspective, you are on the wrong side. Now, I mention this in relationship to Christianity for this simple reason. Having become a Christian, when I'm on point, I'm only talking to an audience of one at all times. I'm talking to Jesus Christ. I'm talking only to Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:15:28 And at best, it's Jesus Christ talking to Jesus Christ. I'm not making any claim, of course, that would be ludicrous and absurd that I am Jesus Christ. I'm saying like in Galatians. You kind of look like him. Thank you. Listen, since becoming Christian, I've been willing to make this change.

Starting point is 00:15:44 I've gone from wanting to be Jesus to wanting to be St. Paul. I'm not going any lower than that. That's it. Want to get an extra hour of quality, good sleep every single night? Let me tell you how I do it. My wife and I sleep on Eight Sleeps Pod 4 Ultra. This is a technology that fits over your mattress to cool or warm each side of the bed, giving you up to an extra hour more of quality

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Starting point is 00:16:59 My lawyer at the time hoodwinked me into going to a rally called Promise Keepers, and it was like a Christian men's rally. And he never told me that it was a Christian men's rally or I probably wouldn't have gone. And it was in Soldier Field, 70,000 Christian men in Soldier Field, and everybody joined hands and began to recite the Lord's Prayer. Oh, yeah. And I was raised Roman Catholic, but got very far away from the Church, and I hope that I don't politicize this or, you know, offend my audience, because this is just my own personal journey. But my, you know, my parents were very religious. My dad was Navy captain. My mother worked for the airlines growing up,

Starting point is 00:17:42 and we had a little church in our town in Lothian. But half the church was in Latin. And, you know, if you know anything about Roman Catholics, like, they're very traditional, very ritualistic. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, kneel, peace be with you, ring the bell, incense, go to communion, sit back down. I had no identity with the church. I didn't feel like I identified with the church. And so when I got into college, I got pretty much as far away from the church as I could. But this Christian men's rally, this brought me back into a religious perspective. I actually accepted Jesus that day.

Starting point is 00:18:18 I went down to the stage. Why? You know, to this day, I don't know. I was holding hands with all of these men in this in soldier field and everybody started to recite the Lord's prayer. And I started bawling. I just started crying and I didn't know why I was crying. And I looked around and there were all these other men crying.

Starting point is 00:18:39 And in my mind, I said to myself, 70,000 men cannot be wrong. There's 70,000 people in this stadium, and they have no agenda. And the pastor was calling people down to the stage, and I just felt so compelled. I didn't know why I was doing it. I went down there and gave my life to Christ. And I think that very often—and I, you know, I don't push that on people. I don't judge people for having, you know, a different religious motif. And I didn't intend for this podcast to become, you know, about religion, but I think so often I had looked at religion as being very confining and all of the parameters that would be put on you once you

Starting point is 00:19:22 became a quote unquote religious person, or you became a Christian, or you chose whatever religious past you have, it's actually very liberating. For me, Christianity especially, because you just lay your problems at the foot of the cross, you can have a direct relationship with Jesus. You don't need an institutional framework, in which I think a lot of people go, look at me, I go to church every Sunday, and I've given in the offering, or I've donated to this philanthropy, and I don't believe that you need that to have a godly relationship with Christ. And that's been very fulfilling for me. And I'm a very imperfect person. I mean, I've been divorced, I've been bankrupt, I've been in litigation, I'm an imperfect person, but I think that what Christianity has allowed me to do is

Starting point is 00:20:05 be that imperfect person, recognize it, ask for forgiveness, ask God to keep me on His path. Yes, Gary. I find it as an enormous sense of strength, and I think people that do not have faith or religion, which is fine for them, look at people that are religious and think that they are condemning them or they're constantly judging them. And it's actually the polar opposite, right? I don't think less of you because you don't have the same religious path that I do. But if you have something that's missing in your life, very often it's a spiritual relationship. You know, we are spiritual beings.

Starting point is 00:20:45 Frequency matters in the human body. Faith is all about delayed gratification. We know that we're headed to a better place. And when you don't even fear dying, you don't fear much else. Yeah. I think that's why Christianity is getting a real hard time because you don't— Very hard time. The same way as you talk quite a lot, mate, about it's beneficial to powerful institutions to have a population that's sort of high, maybe on illicit substances,

Starting point is 00:21:15 dumbed down, probably on SRIs, ill and sick from bad food and bad pharma, hardly in a position to start standing up and opposing systems of corruption. Similarly, on the spiritual plane, if people begin to believe that all of us are fallen, all of us are sinners, all of us are forgiven, and not by through some act of merit that we have undertaken ourself by becoming good or powerful or something,

Starting point is 00:21:40 but because of the sacrifice that he made for us and we enjoy eternal life, not because of something that we have done, but because of something that he has done for us, that he was sacrificed, that we may be born again. Now, this idea, when undertaken rationally, with my pernickety-fiddly little chopsticks of rationalism poking around on the level of rationalism some molecular scrutiny carried out there on the petri dish of reality like it don't make no sense to me but i can know the peace that

Starting point is 00:22:15 passed of all understanding by surrendering my ability to understand and i can know and feel his wisdom and that thing that you described among them 70,000 men taking the oath there among a brotherhood, I've had experiences like that. In fact, I can feel it. I can feel him with me when I yield. And we don't choose whether or not we worship. We choose who we worship. Either we choose to worship the highest principle, which in my case is Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior, or we worship Lord and Saviour, or we worship carnality, the flesh, or we worship civilisation and culture, worldliness, or we worship the diseases of the mind, the devil, mental infection, distraction, self-obsession,

Starting point is 00:22:56 circuitous, circular, endless, fractal dances inwardly following the false Luciferian light that's blasted at you continuously day and night in this neon world by satanic forces and you ain't got strong enough i ain't strong enough to overcome those things on my own but through him there is a new power no wonder the culture wants you to think that stuff is dumb and boring or sexist or homophobic or something but i've spoken to a lot of christians now and they say we're all sinners i've got no judgment on anybody it's the first decree no business judging anybody else sometimes I do judge other people not as a Christian though because I'm a fallen man myself and the proclamation is this that it is a kingdom

Starting point is 00:23:33 for sinners it's a kingdom for those of us that are fallen and the reason they don't want you Christians not because they care about sexism or they care about homophobia or any of that stuff they don't want you Christians they don't want you waking up and opposing them and knowing that you're part of an eternal kingdom and their material and passing world is of no value and when people start realizing that when people start becoming willing to sacrifice themselves for a higher principle they can have a real struggle on their hands rather than choosing which of the two parties runs the country for the next four years you'll be you'll be dealing with an empowered nation of people that are surrendered, but somehow empowered through surrender. They

Starting point is 00:24:05 don't need that. They don't want it from a nutritional perspective, and they don't want it from a spiritual perspective. And it's our job, in answer to your question, to deliver the possibility of that. And for me, I'll just try and do it as an individual as best I can, and hope that that somehow acts as a contagion among all of us, because on my own, I can't do it. I need continual support. I'm vulnerable, and I'm weak, because on my own, I can't do it. I need continual support. I'm vulnerable, and I'm weak, but in my weakness is His strength. You know, and we talked about not how do we turn the world into Christians, but how do we actually fundamentally make a change? Because I think no matter what side the aisle people are on

Starting point is 00:24:42 or where their beliefs fall, I think everybody would agree that we're a lot more polarized than we need to be. And I don't think anybody can pinpoint exactly what it is. And I think, secondly, you know, we're a lot more sick and diseased and pathological than we really deserve to be. And we have a pandemic of chronic disease and we have a pandemic of mental illness. We have a pandemic of childhood obesity, of childhood cancer, of childhood sickness. And when you see that there's an industry that is there profiting from disease and pathology and sickness and chronic illness so that people suffer over a prolonged period of time, they don't die early, they suffer over a prolonged period of time, there seems to be a way that we can bring society together under the common theme that nobody wants more sick children.

Starting point is 00:25:26 Nobody wants a poor quality food supply. Nobody wants, you know, an increased amount of highly processed and most influential institutions now control that segment of the population. Like I worry about our soil health and I worry about the quality of our water and I worry about the fact that the majority of Americans don't even eat whole foods. 65, 70% of their diets is highly processed foods, engineered foods. And people refer to it as fear-mongering. But I'm not trying to fear-monger. I'm actually trying to help you get around the system so you can get back to just basic nutritional foods. When we were eating here all day, we've had raw dairy and grass fed meats. And by the way, he's eating meat now, thanks to Paul Saladino. Shout out to Paul

Starting point is 00:26:30 Saladino. And Bear Grylls. And Bear Grylls. So Bear Grylls, you get a Zervitz shout out too. So, you know, one of the things we talked about is how do we shift back to make popular the whole food diets and exercise and prayer to whatever God you pray to or mindfulness and awareness and breath work? How do we make that kind of shift to society, especially in the masses? Oh, well, this is what I think. Now, you know, a minute ago, you said like, that you want people to suffer from chronic illness, because chronic means time, and time means money. And if people are sick their whole lives, then you've got a customer for life. Yeah. Well, you know, that reminds me of something that the very brilliant hero, Julian Assange said, the aim is not to win the afghanistan war he says the aim is to

Starting point is 00:27:27 perpetuate the afghanistan war the afghanistan war cost america two trillion dollars that two trillion dollars is your two trillion dollars if you're a taxpayer in america that's your money it's not the government's money the government money doesn't make money they haven't got an ice cream stand out the back it's your money and seven and as you know, the $14 trillion that they've spent since the Iraq war, 70%, between 55% and 70% of that went to military industrial complex companies. When you say military industrial complex companies, I don't think most people understand what you mean. I think most people's interpretation of, and certainly my myopic view,

Starting point is 00:28:02 because I don't profess to know much about how spending goes in foreign wars, is that we're sending this money to a foreign country to fight their own battle. But you're saying that we're actually sending this back to ourselves to fund our bottle. Hey, guys, let's talk about meat for a minute. Did you know that 96% of the beef sold in stores is not grass-fed? That's right, most beef comes from cows fed a grain-based diet in feedlots, which isn't even healthy for you or the cow. And even if a label says grass-fed, that doesn't always mean what you think. It means a cow spent at least 50% of its life on grass. So now if you're ready to eat a real nutrient-dense meat that was raised on a pasture,

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Starting point is 00:29:48 For example, men like Jeffrey Sachs or John Mearsheimer or Kali Means, people that understand how the deep state and military industrial complex work. Most of the Pentagon's money, over 50%, between 55% and 70% of the defense budget goes to companies like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Boeing. Those are others, but those are some of the biggest. So when money's going, say, to Ukraine, meaning there's not enough money for hurricane relief in Florida or fire relief in Hawaii, that money isn't going to buy of like buy blankets like nutritional food.

Starting point is 00:30:25 It's going to buy missiles and weapons. And increasingly, these agitating armaments are being used in ways that are likely more debilitating to the fragile world peace that hangs upon those conflicts. Now, whichever particular conflict you're talking about or we're discussing, my view is that America and NATO, if you're going to have a NATO, America should use its power on the global stage, which is obviously still significant and supreme yet, in order to bring about diplomatic solutions in any conflict that they are peripherally or emotionally or ideologically involved, not to perpetuate the crisis,

Starting point is 00:31:02 because the perpetuation of the crisis leads to loss of life on all sides of the conflict, and as well, seemingly, as a tangent or by-product, does increase the profit margins of Lockheed Martin and Norfolk Grumman, et cetera, who spend a lot of money lobbying, spend a lot of money donating, and a significant number of people in your institutions of legislation

Starting point is 00:31:23 and government-owned stocks and shares in those organizations, which in itself should be banned. So what I believe in is institutional change. And when you sort of talk about, as you just did, making nutritional change, it ain't no small thing to tell people to start eating well and to start eating healthy,

Starting point is 00:31:39 because there's a lot of things that have got to get bypassed. Bobby Kennedy taught me about how food stamps in this country can be significantly spent on dumb sugary drinks that aren't very good for people and you don't have to talk about like you know i've been listening to you all day when i've not been talking myself but you've done the most of the talking it's your house it's your expertise you've done your face today i definitely have been a lot of language but there's been i mean it's been amazing and it's and there's been some strong downloads. But what I learned, even probably the first 20 minutes that we were chatting, is that things that I've learned, please remember these names

Starting point is 00:32:13 and please consider having them on your podcast if you can. People that I have learned from, like Helena Norboyer-Kodge, who since the 1970s has been campaigning for what she would call localism, that we should be in food grown and reared where in the environment that is grown and reared or vandana shiva who speaks continually about the impact of bill gates's interference which she says worse than monsanto's on indian farming and farming across africa and how we that seeds are sacred that life is sacred and by patenting a seed you turn it into information and they want to turn everything into information because then

Starting point is 00:32:50 you can patent and own information then you can centralize it you can control it and we human beings we don't matter to them so you can't sort of even like talking about poor people being able to afford good steak or good vegetables or good fish or whatever they want to eat, because it's their business after all, for poor people to afford that stuff, the entire economic system and big food system is going to have to be radically altered. That cannot be altered because government is owned by those interest lobbyists and donor class,

Starting point is 00:33:19 so you have to change government. And you don't really get many opportunities to change government in ways that would meaningfully impact that, because those companies, guess what they worked out? If they fund both parties, whichever party wins, they're still in charge, except anomalously and peculiarly, anachronistically and peculiarly, once every generation or so, some weird cadre of characters will turn up, like Bobby Kennedy, Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, and you might get a shot.

Starting point is 00:33:46 And whether or not you believe in all those people or none of those people, what you have to recognize is they represent berserker havoc in institutional systems that operate at the global level, macro wise, and at the deep state level nationally to create a kind of polarized magnetism that prevents electoral democracy or true representative republicanism ever taking place and the only way to disrupt it at the moment i would say is by thinking very carefully what you do with your vote in the forthcoming election in this country and in other countries as well you have to we have to learn to recognize worldliness as globalism, the devotion to the world, the replacing of divine, holy, sacred power with material, rational power. Once you annihilate the God principle, once you take Jesus Christ out of the picture, then you can say, well, we're God now. We're God with all of our information and with all of our data. And what do they do with that information and data? Data, of course, can be used brilliantly and magnificently

Starting point is 00:34:45 to create excellence and wellness and health, but data can also be used to create control. And that's what these big tech companies have become very adept at doing. And the outlier big tech companies that refuse to play that game, whether that's Rumble, the platform that I'm on, or X that is owned by Elon Musk,

Starting point is 00:34:59 or TikTok because it's a foreign national company, if they don't play ball, they get penalised and controlled. There is no virtue or principle under censorship. We want to protect people from hate speech. What is hate speech? Keep it vague. Then it's whatever speech we want to control is hate speech. So this is a point, I suppose, where we first have to recognise that the threat is not one political party versus another political party.

Starting point is 00:35:24 It's globalism versus nationalism. Now, is there a type of nationalism that might be exclusive, might include all people, might include various cultures with respect for the, let's call it, dominant culture of whatever that country is, say France or America or England or Senegal or wherever, it doesn't actually matter. The principle is localising power to the lowest level, localising food to the lowest level,

Starting point is 00:35:48 localising forms of communication to the lowest level, not what's happening and what we saw in the pandemic, centralising power to the highest level. WF, WHO, IMF, World Bank, NATO, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, although Melinda dropped out for some reason. Too many plane trips, baby. So what we have to watch for is that level of corruption. We have to watch out for global corruption

Starting point is 00:36:11 and we have to oppose it. First with individual sovereignty, that means the power to surrender to the highest principle, not the power to dominate. And we have to collectively communicate so we can create new alliances. I'm sure you work with people that you don't agree with on everything. So do I, because we've got something serious to oppose. Yeah. And it's not

Starting point is 00:36:30 that I'm trying to oppose anything. My message, hopefully, is one of hope, you know, that, you know, people don't need to be dogmatic about dieting. They need to be eating whole foods. People don't need to have fancy equipment and gyms. They need to just be moving their bodies more. They need to actually take their health and wellness into their own hands, start filtering their water, start actually reading labels, start trying to circumvent the system themselves. Because I think if, you know, not telling people particularly how to vote or how to think, but if we actually give them the skills so that they can enter an average supermarket, you know, the average family doesn't even know how to spin a box of crackers around and tell whether or not it's nutritious or not. And mothers and fathers are doing the right thing in their mind by feeding their children ultra-processed foods because the truth is there's a lot of research that is imparted by our public policy institutions that would say that there's no harm for, you know, these foods, things that are fortified, things that are rich, things that are colored, things that are artificially sweetened, artificially flavored. You know, there are

Starting point is 00:37:34 these big announcements, I see them in mainstream periodicals, that there's really no evidence to say that highly processed foods have a negative impact on health. So we're still investigating it. But right now, Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass-fed steak. And I just think that it's such nonsense. The real research that I see in the longevity, the anti-aging, the biohacking space that I think is really profound for humanity is getting us back to the basics. It's like sunlight, breathwork, grounding, cold showers, exercise, mobility, sense of community, sense of purpose, whole foods. And people think that when you're trying to back them up to how we did things 50, 60, 80 years ago, that you're also trying to back up how we thought during that time.

Starting point is 00:38:27 We're like, well, you know, that was a time where society was a lot more divided. So we don't want to go back to that time. But you actually do want to go back to how our ancestors ate and how they exposed themselves to the sun and how in touch with nature they were and how they had actually deep, meaningful relationships that weren't like turned over to social media to be, you know, very fake and superficial. And, you know, Bobby Kennedy talks about how when he graduated from high school, and this actually hit me too, because I graduated high school in 1988. So there you go. I've just dated myself. And when I graduated high school, I didn't know a single person that was autistic. Right. I still can't think. I didn't even know somebody who knew somebody that was autistic.

Starting point is 00:39:12 Yeah. My 16 year old stepdaughter, Sage's daughter, knows 10 friends that have autism and knows 15 other families that have autistic children. And so you've seen autism go from 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 32. And that was the last time we had statistics, probably much worse now. And you've got to ask yourself, what is causing this, right? How in the most civilized nation in the world, with the access health care we have, with $4.5 trillion a year being spent on health care, how are we becoming so sick, so diseased, so pathological, and why are our children having to deal with mental illness at such a young age? And so you bring in an angle of mindfulness, meditation. You know, I hear you talk about this all the time. And what are some of the practices that you engage in on a daily basis

Starting point is 00:40:11 that he'd be grounded and centered, you know, while the media is assailing you? And how do you stay focused on the mission? And how do you—what practices do you engage in that everybody else could engage in to be more mindful i've been trying to learn about what you said there about the anthropology about how the breath work and the exposure to light and the reverence for our indigenous condition is a significant portion of our wellness dispensed with connection to nature if you're serious about pushing your limits, you need to hear about the Ion Weighted Vest. This isn't just your average weighted vest. It's

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Starting point is 00:41:46 It's designed to give you more from every movement. Don't wait to start training smarter today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. Why do you think that is, Gary? Why do you think that if we approximate the conditions for which we lived in for millions or hundreds of thousands or depends what version you believe certainly for a long time we lived more harmoniously with nature why do you think that has such obvious health benefits when it comes to nutrition and because nutrition is so measurable i wonder if there are correlatives beyond nutrition you've already

Starting point is 00:42:22 indicated light and i suppose that's a form of nutrition and breath i suppose that's the ultimate form of nutrition but if we are rewarded i mean if you take sort of an evolutionary and biological perspective this the idea would be that we evolved harmoniously with these sources and stimuli so we are in a symbiotic relationship with nature we are no doubt part of nature no doubt that we are i mean in a teaspoon of soil there are more organisms um than there are people on the surface of the earth i mean so what you what you have is you have these and and i feel like we just switched from you interviewing you to you interviewing me but i want to answer your question but the you know you take a teaspoon of soil you realize how many microorganisms are in that soil. There's an entire ecosystem in that soil.

Starting point is 00:43:06 And it's there for a reason. It was designed. It's an unbelievably beautiful design, this ecosystem. And this ecosystem gives rise to soil nutrition, which gives rise to, you know, grasses and plants. And in many cases, we eat those plants. In many cases, animals eat those plants. And in many cases, we eat those plants. In many cases, animals eat those plants, and they eat this diverse ecosystem of bacteria and bugs and fungi and cellulose and all of these different compounds. That gets into their bodies, and then those move up the food chain,

Starting point is 00:43:39 and we consume those. And so this ecosystem from the soil to the human being is a very important lineage. And as you destroy the soil, you essentially destroy the human being. It's like an assembly line, right? You put a part on it at one end and it's getting assembled while it's working its way to the other end. Well, if you destroy it at the beginning of the assembly line, then the parts never fully assemble. So this is the same with the ecosystem of soil and plants and animals. And, you know, there is a way for us to make farming regenerative. There's a way for us to restore the health of our soil. And so I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that in an industrialized society where the idea is volume and profit and not nutrition,

Starting point is 00:44:36 what we've done is we've either intentionally or non-intentionally ended up poisoning the masses and creating a pandemic of chronic disease that is now so catastrophic that it could actually collapse the most economically powerful nation in the world. So we're becoming victims of our own, you know, you reap what you sow. And, you know, I think that, you know, when I get back in touch with nature personally, and I post about this all the time, I throw my own cell phone to the bus all the time. I'm like, geez, guys, I put on a 20-pound ruck vest and went for a four-mile walk in the woods. I feel better than I do getting out of a hydrogen bath, out of a $120,000 red light bed,

Starting point is 00:45:16 or using my fancy PMF mat or sleeping in my EMF tent. I feel amazing, just that connection to nature. And if you go back and look at physiologically what we get from nature, we get magnetism from the earth. We get oxygen from the air. We get light from the sun. The further that we get from those basics, magnetism, oxygen, and light, the sicker we become. And I feel like aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. You know, people are pursuing comfort so aggressively that we actually accelerate our aging, right?

Starting point is 00:45:43 Most people don't like to lift heavy weight. Most people don't like to expose themselves to cold water. Most people don't go outside because it's too hot. They don't go outside because it's too cold. They eat at the first pang of hunger. They want everything to be immediately, instantly satisfied. We control our lighting. We control our temperature.

Starting point is 00:45:57 And we're just not exposing ourselves to the hormetic stresses that strengthen us. The only thing that I would query is whether or not that's taking place at the level of the individual or the level of an entire culture given that we've just sort of spent much i hope there's nobody at the top just pulling the strings you know designing this because it's a really it's pretty sick really to make people eat bad food to make people take bad drugs to make people live sedentary lifestyles oh that's me that's telling me that i

Starting point is 00:46:20 have to get back to my children so okay so we can, so we can hurry this up. Yeah, but what I want to say is that, of course, it's being centrally organized. What is monopolization? Why do we put the prefix big in front of pharma and in front of food and in front of agriculture? Because it is centrally controlled. So whilst at the individual level we might have become, as I once said, the phrase prisoners of comfort, that's been indoctrinated and institutionalized at a cultural level most people would prefer to eat healthy delicious food if it was affordable by breaking down these massive goliath tyrannical systems

Starting point is 00:46:59 that are dominating and controlling our culture using our political parties as the marionettes when they pull a string, those things twitch. That's what can only be opposed if people are galvanised and purpose-driven. Now, you asked me a minute ago about my daily routine. I believe in the things I think, but with a much lower level of understanding than you believe in. I wake up and if I'm at home and I have access to it,

Starting point is 00:47:22 I do a cold plunge. Then I spend some time in the sauna where I do the Holy Rosary. Then I read scripture every day and some other readings. I pray on my knees for a while and I pray for anyone that I can think of that is suffering and needs help. And I worship and I praise God. And I do a gratitude list every day for the many, many things I'm grateful for, for the previous day. Because I like to try and get into that grateful mindset yes right at the beginning of the day then i try to watch myself and whether or not i'm doing things for other people whether i've drifted

Starting point is 00:47:53 back into just seeing the whole world about being what i want the whole time i drift back into that pretty easily it's quite easy to slide back into that kind of mad solipsism it's easily done so i try and have routines that do that now like i've been sort of traveling at the moment i'm in your country in this hurricane world in this hurricane election but like i like to do brazilian jiu-jitsu i like to do yoga though i've not done yoga for a while i'd love to do some more at the moment i'm eating meat which i've not done for a long, long time. And I can feel it's constitutionally changing me.

Starting point is 00:48:31 Some friends of mine, you know, I was like vegetarian when I was 13. I've been vegan for about five years. Some of my friends said, it's them or you, Russell. It's them or you. We're the animals. I was in a time of rebuilding. So I've undergone a lot of radical change most of all though becoming christian has given me a focus that it isn't me at the center of the universe and i'm relieved

Starting point is 00:48:50 with that even if you hate yourself you can put yourself at the center of the universe i think even people that are full of self-pity full of self-loathing despair and suicidal they might be the people that are most at the center of their universe that would most benefit from the presence of an all-loving real creator risen now as he was risen then i think it's the sort of the greatest advancing in it's greater than the advance of the iphone it's greater than the advance of the internet an omniscient omnipresent holy spirit ever present in relationship with you right now what could be better than that so like having all of these things brought together it's uh nothing has made me more myself than surrendering to those things.

Starting point is 00:49:26 And since I've been in your country on this trip, I feel purpose-driven and I feel directed. I can feel it. Yeah, it's unfolding. I know I don't have to do anything. The only thing I've recognized now, the only power I've ever had is the power to make things worse. Well, Russell, I know you got to go and get with your kids. So, you know, I end every podcast by asking all my guests the same question. And that is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? All right. To be an ultimate, the ultimate human is, the ultimate human is Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:49:57 The ultimate human, to be the ultimate human myself, what it means is get out of the way, Russell. Now, to get Russell out of the way, like you, I do have to undertake a lot of rituals that could easily be misinterpreted as a kind of selfishness. But the simple fact is, I'm lucky that I, bless Ed, that I do not function unless I get up and expose myself to cold water, expose myself to scripture,

Starting point is 00:50:21 expose myself to breath and meditation, expose myself to the company of other people just like me that one day at a time do not drink or take drugs i need regular contact with the vulnerable and the fallen to remind myself of my purpose so the ultimate human being is jesus christ fully human fully god the ultimate human the ultimate version of russell is the russell that fully accepts that there's no point in a Russell that is his own God. There's no point in any of us being our own gods.

Starting point is 00:50:51 When your purpose is the myopic pursuit of self-fulfillment, you're a closed off little loop. I'm sure all of us know powerful billionaires, incredible politicians that are caught up in that circuitous little loop. They're locked off, they're lifed off. They may as well be in a prison cell but if you are connected to the whole to the sort of mycelium network of the ulterior reality with him at the center then you are a force of great power so the ultimate human is whatever rituals you undertake whatever

Starting point is 00:51:20 ceremonies whatever nutrition you imbibe is the human being that is willing to accept the highest call of all that was a good one um so um russell i i i hope that we can have you back again um because i think we're just he's on you're only 150 yards away i liked it literally shouting from downstairs screaming up to my balcony, Gary! I wanted to get up here. I knew there was stuff up here that I wanted. Yeah, it's a very special place. Yeah, because I don't normally imagine that you would get a special place that would be so fly.

Starting point is 00:51:57 Like normally special place would be sort of like it would be some rickety little place. But what this is, I would say, is it's the biohacking willy wonka's chocolate factory where you are taken on a world of pure imagination and every wall this will this microbe will add 10 years to your life why don't you lick that wallpaper it'll advance your consciousness by five percent drink this water it's got special magic bubbles in it never been anywhere like this it's a hydrogen water and today i brilliant. I loved it. And today I was installing UV filtration when he got here.

Starting point is 00:52:26 I had the guys here ripping all my AC units out. But this has been amazing. I want to ask you a couple of questions offline for my rule bracket VIPs because they submitted five questions I want to get to. And then I want to let you get back to your family. But thank you for taking the time today. I love it. I appreciate you being so raw and so visceral. I know that people are going to be, some people are going to get the message. Some people are going to be polarized by this. But feel free to leave your comments,

Starting point is 00:52:52 guys. I want to hear from all of you. If you think it was a terrible idea, if you think it was a great idea, I'll welcome all of those. The idea is to get the message out. And as always, that's just science.

The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 131. Russell Brand: EXPOSING the Profit System & Why We're All Getting Sicker

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