The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 145. Dr. Austin Lake: Biohacking Women’s Health - Birth Control, Hormones, Sleep & Nutrients

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Many women struggling with hormonal issues are told to just “take birth control” or “it’s all in your head” - but the reality? They’re missing a critical first step - addressing the foundational principles of health. In this episode, I had a fascinating conversation with Dr. Austin Lake who revealed that bio-identical hormones work initially, but often fail later if the foundational pieces (like, issues on sleep circadian rhythm, gut health & microbiome, and stomach acid) aren’t addressed. The modern approach has completely ignored these basics while pushing pharmaceutical solutions. Fix the foundation first, then consider targeted hormone therapies if needed. Watch the full podcast episode to learn Dr. Austin Lake’s protocol for women’s health optimisation! Join the Ultimate Human VIP community: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg “Robert F. Kennedy: A Spiritual Biography” by Konstantin Sidorenko Listen to "The MAHA Podcast" on all your favorite platforms! Spotify Apple Podcasts Connect with Dr. Austin Lake: Get Dr. Austin Lake’s book, “Wholly Health” here Website: https://bit.ly/41GoynV YouTube:https://bit.ly/4h8lS75 Instagram: https://bit.ly/4ieLXlM TikTok: https://bit.ly/4h4Ioxt Facebook: https://bit.ly/4bsdvlf Thank you to our partners: H2TABS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/41o6HSC BODYHEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - USE CODE "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E STRENGTH TRAINING EQUIPMENT - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN: https://bit.ly/3zYwtSl COLD LIFE - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST $50+ ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y VANDY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/49Qr7WE PARKER PASTURES - PREMIUM GRASS-FED MEATS: https://bit.ly/4hHcbhc AION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo CARAWAY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC Connect with Gary Brecka: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 03:04 Parabolic Rise on Metabolic Syndrome, Diabetes, Autism 06:57 Control over Fertility 09:04 Why Focus on Women’s Health and Functional Medicine? 13:55 Caregiver Syndrome 17:59 History of Birth Control 22:08 Depression Anxiety from Birth Control 36:54 Lifestyle Changes for Self-Correcting Hormonal Imbalance 45:45 Clinical Deficiency, Nicotine, and COVID Deaths 48:48 Healing Powers from Alkaloid 50:48 Healing from Metal Toxicity 54:44 Hormone Therapies for Women 59:17 Supplementation for Women 1:03:52 Common Misconceptions on Hormone Therapy 1:07:32 Role of Faith and Belief in a Higher Power 1:16:15 What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?” The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The Content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

a 16 year old or even a 13 year old on birth control to control an issue that doesn't actually solve any problems but creates a lot more problems. You start seeing the side effects of not having ovulation and that's a big problem long term and you start seeing issues like endometriosis and PCOS. You look at these young healthy childbearing women and you wonder why is it so difficult to get pregnant? Why is it so difficult to maintain a pregnancy? Because of insulin resistance, right? You got all these high carb, refined carbohydrates being consumed in conjunction with endocrine disrupting chemicals, you know, fragrances, lotions, lathering on their skin. And next thing you know, you have this hormonal storm that happens. You think about the fact that limiting that phase of the menstrual

cycle could have that profound of an effect on a woman that she might not be thinking about. I don't think very often their OB-GYN is explaining the consequences. These women are getting testing done. They'll come back in six months and they'll put on a hormone replacement therapy and things will change short term, but then they go right back to where they were because they never fixed any of the foundational problems that were existing. And they don't know that there are alternative options out there. When we look at the pandemic of autoimmune disease, the majority of this affects women. 75 or 80 percent of all autoimmune diseases are happening to females.

That's why things like this is so important for people to know. Like you can improve your fertility and you can do these things and it's very inexpensive and most people can do it. Like that's so empowering to know that's an option. For women that are having hormonal imbalance, where do they start? This was like a more recent revelation that I had about... Hey guys, welcome back to the ultimate human podcast. I'm your host Gary Brekker, human biologist where we go down the road of everything anti aging, longevity, biohacking and everything in between. And I am super excited for today's guest on the podcast because we don't really get a lot of time to shed light on specifically women's health issues. And our next guest is an

expert as you heard on women's health issues, everything women menopause, cycling birth or birth control, everything in between and just so happens happens my wife is having the worst menstrual cramps of her life. And she was like, I wanna come in and ask him questions during your podcast. So she's waiting for you literally right outside the door. Okay, great, good to know.

Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Austin Lake. Yeah, thanks for having me, Gary. I was very honored to get the invitation. And honestly, the timing was great because we had the invitation, then we met at the Maha Gala, and it was like just meant to be. Yeah, we had just set it up, and then we met at the Maha Gala.

It was perfect timing, so yeah. And I love that movement. I mean, Bobby Kennedy's officially confirmed now, so at the time he didn't praise God, and he meant that. Yeah, yeah. You know, at the time he wasn't really in a capacity, official capacity.

Sure. But that, not to get totally off topic, because I know there's a lot of women like, hey, I want to talk about my menstrual cramps, but what was amazing was, do the energy surrounding, I mean, the whole inauguration, but specifically at that ball, and also how many people are just freely giving their time, you know, folks like yourself and me,

Casey Means and Callie and Foodbabe and Paul Saladino and you know, so many of the folks in our industry are really excited about the opportunity to affect public policy. Well, yeah, it kind of have to make a change. I think there's the grassroots effect that has to be there. So there needs to be, I think, a bottom up and a top down to kind of solve the whole problem, right? And so we have to have the top down.

I think that's what RFK is going to give us the best chance for. I mean, there's not many options out there. When you compare to our last HHS secretary to him, I think we had a pretty good chance to make some change. Yeah, I would really agree with that. And it's just so awesome to see our industry, you know, Participating in it.

Because, you know, even in the biohacking world, we obviously all don't agree on everything all the time, but that's the one thing we absolutely are, you know, enormously united on. Well, there's core principles to it, right? Like most biohackers or just people that are in this more alternative health space understand like there are core principles to health that you can't skip over. And I think our government has different ideas on that.

And they think you can. I think that's why we're seeing such issues with our health. It's just we've skipped over these core foundational principles of what it means to be a healthy human being. And you can't do that. Like there's consequences to that. So it doesn't need to be political. I think the whole thing,

making this whole conversation political, it's just ridiculous. It's like crazy though, not a single Democrat voted for Bobby Kennedy. I know. One, I was like, who wants to be on the side of, you know, the worst healthcare crisis in modern history that's going on in our country.

Yeah. I like what Bobby Kennedy said, because he said, there's no such thing as Republican children and Democratic children. These are God's children. There are children. And the most prosperous thing we can do as a nation is care for that next generation.

Right, absolutely. Right, because who's gonna be running the show? And 77% of our military age men and women can't enter the military because they're not qualified from a health perspective. Unhealthy. And you got, you know, highest rates of childhood cancer. You've got, you know, I don't wanna mess up the quote,

but you know, 13% of our teens, our pre-pubescent teens are pre-diabetic or even diabetic. Right, it's so crazy. And metabolic syndrome is beginning earlier and earlier and earlier. I mean, I think people have this idea that this notion that metabolic syndrome is something you get in your 50s or your 60s or your 70s.

Well, historically that was the case. But that's all data at this point. When you see the complete decline even in the last 20 years, like since 1990, especially last 30 years, but even the last 20 years. Like since 1990, especially the last 30 years, but even the last 20 years, you see a shift where things are doubling and tripling in that short period of time. You have to ask the question of like, what's going on?

And that's what's so puzzling, like you said about the Democrat thing. It's like, how could you not see that? And you also have to be scared about when you see this parabolic rise, right? So autism rates have gone, and I'm not saying all autism is caused by vaccines or all autism is caused by food dyes,

but we ought to be having the conversation of, hey, how did it go from one in 5,000? To one in 36. To one in 36, or I even heard one in 32, but because the stats after that are one in 15, one in 10. Well, I heard Joel, he had Dr. Joel Warsh, he was saying it's one in 15, one in 10. One in five. Well, I heard Joel, he had Dr. Joel Warsh, he was saying it's one in 22 in California.

Yes, yeah, he said that on my podcast. And he's a pediatrician. And he even said during the course of his practice, the number of autistic kids is parabolic. And again, that's not to say that there's one single cause, but you look at the state, the overall state of health in this country, and we wanna balance that with our freedom of choice.

So I'm not for getting rid of McDonald's or getting rid of smoking or stopping alcohol from being sold. You know, and- It won't work anyway. Yeah, it wouldn't work. We already had, we tried provision once. We tried that once.

The wealthiest people were like the bootlickers. Yeah, right, we'll make it work. So we don't wanna make a black market, but, and you also don't wanna interrupt freedom of choice, but you also have to have an honest conversation of, well, why are we subsidizing the most chemical-laden foods in our food supply and taxing and making costs unaffordable, raw, whole organic foods?

And that's where I think the conversation on public policy needs to happen. And then if you have corruption in public policy, if you have private industry funding public policy research. And I think this is where I, that question of, okay, if you incentivize people for, I don't even personally, I don't even think it's about money.

I think it goes much deeper than that. I think it's something to do more, because you could make money off of healthy people. Insignifizing people to get healthier, you can make a bunch of money off that, right? You could, and I think that's what's gonna eventually start happening, but I think it really gets at a deeper issue

of just nefariousness. I think there's a heart and soul issue of why people would want to see people not flourish and prosper. And also not to be able to replace a population because that's what we're seeing now is we can't replace our populations what we're currently doing. Yeah. Oh, no doubt.

That's extremely scary. I mean, fertility rates in men and women, sperm counts in men, fertility rates in women. I can't tell you how, and I want to have this conversation more in depth with you on the podcast, but I can't tell you, my wife and I started a clinic, you know, I'm not licensed to practice medicine, so I'm a human biologist, but we started a functional wellness clinic about 10 years ago. And I'm very interested to hear why you chose to go down the road of women's health, because that's a huge topic for us. But we started this clinic. And just in the seven years that we've been eight years now that we've been intentionally in that space. You

know, we have seen the impact of infertility. I mean, the vast majority of our clients that were coming in for hormone therapy and young, young couples were having trouble either getting pregnant, whether it had to do with the sperm counts, whether it had to do with the fertility of the female, or whether it had to do with miscarriages, frequent miscarriages. And it became such a hot topic within our clinic system,

because you look at these otherwise young, healthy, childbearing women and young, healthy male, and you wonder why can't they naturally conceive? Why are these birth rates? I mean, why is it so difficult to get pregnant? Why is it so difficult to maintain a pregnancy? And so I think a lot of that conversation is gonna start in earnest, you know,

because of this movement. Yeah. So I'm super excited about it. Well, I think because if people don't, if they, again, if they associate it with, I can't get pregnant because of some movement. Yeah. So I'm super excited about it. Well, I think because if people don't, if they, again, if they associate it with, I can't get pregnant because of some external factor and they don't realize, oh, I actually have some control over my fertility

and there are things that I can do to change it. I don't have to be on, maybe I don't have to do IVF, right? I don't have to just say no and look at adoption. Like I can actually get my body in a state to where fertility is more likely. Like I think that's where that empowerment piece is so important, people. But it gets back to your belief to even understand that it's possible. You don't know it's possible.

Like, I think that's just the card, the hands have been dealt, and they don't know that there are alternative options out there. And that's why things like this is so important for people to know, like, hey, I was watching this podcast, and they were talking about how you can, you can improve your fertility, and you can do these things and it's very free or it's free or like very inexpensive and most people can do it.

Like that's so empowering to know that that's an option. What made you go the, you know, women's health route and functional medicine? Cause you haven't, I mean, you're very educated. You have a really interesting career. You went to Tennessee for your functional medicine. Well, so that's, that was where I got my doctorate. So I'm not a physician either.

I don't prescribe medications. I don't even prescribe hormones. I think there's plenty of people out there that do that. What I saw was that they were doing those things and it still wasn't working. And they were on all these medications, thyroid problems, hormonal issues and chronic pain. I was like, I just started asking,

how do you sleep? You know, what do you, what supplements do you take? What's your diet like? And I started asking these questions back in 2017 and realized that those things were not being done. And yet we're assuming that they have a deficiency of medication when the reality is they have all these other deficiencies that aren't being met. And so I started seeing that happen.

And then I started seeing a lot of women come through my practice just like having all those issues, way more than men. And I think- When you say your practice, what kind of practice do you have? So it used to be a brick and mortar practice in Colorado. We had, he wasn't a business partner then,

and now we took a break and we're business partners again. He's an MD, functional medicine certified, all that. And so we created this practice, functional medicine based alternative health practice, just out of need. Like we saw a huge need in our local community in Northern Colorado and started to kind of just help women and men at that time, but we had way more women coming in

with health problems. And I started to figure out, you know, I was just like, these women are not getting help with the implementation of this information. Like they're getting testing done, they'll come back in six months and they'll get put on a home replacement therapy and things will change short term, but then they go right back to where they were because they never fixed any of the foundational problems that were existing. And so I started to ask the question, like, well, if they're not going to take, like if somebody else is like, who else is going to do this? If it's not for me. Right.

That was kind of question asked. It's like, I can't assume that somebody else is going to do this. Like, I have to be the one to fill the void here. So let's start filling the void. That combined with the fact that. My mom had a ton of health problems. She was the ultimate mom, gave of herself all the time to a fault to where she had nothing to give.

Yeah, to a fault. And brother had cancer when he was 14. Parents had an extreme amount of stress that they were going through. Mom became a really big worrier, rightfully so. Seeing your 14 year old son go through cancer and leukemia and all this terrible things that he had to go through. And then the financial consequences of

care they had to purchase or I guess afford and all that it was really difficult to do that with insurance and stuff. And so it put a ton of stress on my parents. And then it affected my mom got on she's adult onset stills disease. It's a pretty rare autoimmune condition. Her ferritin is sky high all the time because she's chronically inflamed. Her homocysteine is chronically high, very, very, the highest I've ever seen actually.

Wow. So her blood pressure probably through the roof. Blood pressure's, her blood pressure's okay, but she's very, and I hope she's okay with me sharing all this information. I hope so too, because she should be. 27, 28 million people give or take people. Yeah, not a big deal. It was not a big deal.

Yeah, but she's like very, she's an excellent mom, but she gives of herself so much, right? And so that's why I started seeing with my clients is like, okay, this is how my mom was, and this is what's causing her life. And is this happening to these other women? Like, so what's your sleep routine like? What's your sleep hygiene like?

Well, you know, I take care of everybody. I feed them all, clean up the house, and then I have a little bit of time for myself. And so I don't want to go to bed right away and have, What's your sleep routine like? What's your sleep hygiene like? Well, I take care of everybody. I feed them all, clean up the house, and then I have a little bit of time for myself. And so I don't wanna go to bed right away and have a decent bedtime. I'll stay up till 11, 11.30. And then I get a second wind.

I can't fall asleep. And then I'm up and I have a hard time sleeping throughout the night. Well, what's your morning like? Well, I wake up tired. I drink a bunch of caffeine. I don't eat breakfast. And I kinda skip all that stuff.

And then I go to the gym. I work out really hard and can't lose weight. I'm just like, okay. So I'm starting to see this pattern here. Like I'm seeing why this is happening, but I had to figure out the why behind my client, like with my clients, like why it was happening. Because if you just say, hey, you got to do these things. Yeah. They're like, okay, great. But transferring that over to my life logistically is not that easy. And it's like, well, it can be if you start to kind of break it down in these little micro goals

to where you can start to understand if you eat after six o'clock at night, your insulin becomes a little bit less sensitive. Your cortisol is gonna be affected, so your sleep is gonna be affected, and then you're gonna be tired the next day. And so if you don't break that cycle, you can't expect your hormones,

which are being produced at night, to be well supplied. You can't expect that your immune system is gonna be well supplied either, because your natural T cells, killer T cells, are gonna be greatly reduced from having poor sleep. And so your thyroid's gonna be more subject to issues. And so you start showing them kind of how this stuff happens,

and then they're like, oh, I need to go to bed at a consistent time. So we are incredible circadian creatures. And I think what you're touching on is when we look at the pandemic of autoimmune disease, the majority of this affects women. It's 75 or 80% of all autoimmune diseases are having to females.

And like five times more than the males. Yeah, I mean, why is it so much more of a female issue than a male issue? I think it has to do with how selfless most women are. We used to call in mortality statistics, we used to call it caregiver syndrome. Sometimes they would call it broken heart syndrome for spouses that have been married a long period of time.

But women are generally the first to put themselves right in the backseat and say, I'm gonna care for my spouse, I'm gonna care for the kids. And then of course, then their mother falls ill and now they're caring for the whole family. And so everybody's needs go before them. And they think that that's a very selfish thing to do.

Sort of selfish to take care of themselves. So I kind of look at them from like, as a Christian, like a biblical perspective on that conversation, I look at the husband and the wife, right? It's like from the get go, if you believe in Adam and Eve, which I do, like you look at the tendency that we all have from more of like a, like, you know, sinful nature, whatever. It's men tend to be a little more passive. We have a leadership role, maybe that we're supposed to be fulfilling, and we are like, I don't really, that's too much. Like, I don't really want to do that.

So we kind of pass things off to our spouse. And I think women kind of have are like, I don't really, that's too much. Like I don't really want to do that. So we kind of passing up things off to our spouse. And I think women kind of have this like, okay, well, I guess I'll pick up and I'll run with it and I'll run the show here. Right. So you're taking on all your regular responsibilities, family, the house, work, financials, all this stuff. And then it's like, we expect them to have good functioning hormones and our society is full of passive men and very strong, like women who want to take charge.

And I think we got to have a balance to that. We have to have a balance to how we're going to manage that long-term. Short-term, I think, having a female who wants to build a career and wants to like gain education and like work out, like that can work, like you can do that. But you have to have this like, this offloading of these responsibilities in some capacity.

And I think our society, financially or whatever, even just from our perspective on sex, I think we have this idea that it has to be a certain way. I think it's leading to our demise when it comes to our health problems. It's encouraging people to destroy their bodies. Hi guys, Gary here. I want to take a few minutes of your time to invite you to my Ultimate Human VIP Community. This is a private community with front row seats to my most advanced health protocols, exclusive monthly Q&A calls, a private podcast where you can ask my guests and me your most pressing questions, and my own personal wellness bl blueprints and everything you need to optimize your health.

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So it was brick and mortar, now we just do 100% virtual. That's great. And I think that's the way to go. And I think, you know, eventually with AI and big data and early detection and telemedicine laws, it's actually gonna make this more accessible, not less accessible. I think we also have to modernize the way that

we're practicing medicine. It's okay for someone that's been seen by a physician, maybe examined, that's now having a virtual visit with another physician. It's more glorified coaching or consulting. Right. And that's, I think people need that more than they even realize.

So let's start with women. I want to start at a young age and I want to kind of work our way through post-menopausal because there are lots of questions all along the path. And I have two daughters, I have a daughter and a stepdaughter. My daughter's 26. My stepdaughter's 16. So she's in the thick of it now. Meaning, you know, the choice is about centering around

birth control and, you know, the pre-pubescent acne that's now kind of gone away and, you know, all the hormonal changes that are going on in their life, which is a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm sure I can't wait to experience it. She's gonna watch this podcast. So I won't say her name. Kimball Hoy, or Kinger Brekka. Nothing to do with that. She's amazing.

But, you know, I went through with my daughter too, with the, you know, a lot of parents are, you know, watching this and that conversation about birth control is coming up. And maybe because they have hemorrhagic periods, but maybe also just for birth control. And I saw a podcast that you were on, which one it was, but you were talking about birth control

and the history of birth control. And it was like watching Bobby Kennedy talk about some of these public policy issues. It absolutely blew my mind. And I thought that I was pretty well versed in that area. I mean, I certainly understand what they do hormonal, right? SHBG and those other things, but I didn't know about the history of birth control. So can we talk about that a little bit? And then I want to start talking about, you know, young women and the duration of birth control and what kind of effects that has. Yeah, so from my understanding of the history,

Margaret Sanger was one of the pioneers in the early 1920s of the eugenics movement, right? They were for this whole kind of pure society. So they wanted to kind of control population and ensure that, I mean, it was very racist. It was very discrimination, discriminatory, and very much in line with Nazism and all that stuff. So not a good place to start.

Like white Aryan wanted a pure society. Pure society. Like white society, I guess. And so a lot of this birth control was directed through Planned Parenthood in these areas that were, you know, not white. There were more, you know, lower income and maybe different ethnicities. And that was a tongue twister, but they were just, they were kind of targeting these certain areas of the population they didn't want.

Right? And so that was kind of the beginning point of that. And I think since then, Planned Parenthood has obviously separated themselves with Margaret, but the thing that concerned me was looking into when birth control became a big deal was mostly in the 70s. Like it became a little bit more popular and there was a different doctor involved with that that kind of formulated that. And looking at the connection there with the feminist movement was also when that was happening.

So it was empowerment of women, which again, we want women to vote. We don't want to have free speech. Like all those things are good. Like there's no question about that. Right. But it was more about, hey, if you want to get out and work, like you don't want to be having babies, right? So like let's just stop your ovulation cycle and like let's just, you don't need to worry about that, right? And so you start having more

women doing that and I think it's just that has only increased since the 70s and to where now a 16 year old is being put on birth control or even a 13 year old's on birth control, to control an issue that doesn't actually solve any problems, but creates a lot more problems. You start seeing the side effects of not having ovulation and not having a proper cleansing of your uterus. That's a big problem long term. And you start seeing issues like endometriosis

and maybe PCOS, depending on how far it goes. And there's just so much PCOS out there with this polycystic ovarian syndrome. Because of insulin resistance, right? You got all these high carb refined carbohydrates being consumed in conjunction with any kind of something chemicals, fragrances, people, lotions, people think are,

especially young girls, lathering on their system and on their skin. And next thing you know, you have this hormonal storm that happens. And you're emitting a third of the menstrual cycle because you're essentially blocking the ovulation. So they're going through the follicular

and the luteal phases, but not ovulation. Which is really when women are probably at their strongest and most resilient and high energy. So you kind of take a woman who's like going through a full gamut of emotions and energy cycles and just how they feel, and then you take out the best period of that cycle. And it's like you're dropping their,

the way they feel like drastically. Like they're, and that's why I think depression anxiety is so high in women that take birth control. I mean, it's, I think it's 30% or more maybe are having pretty severe anxiety and depression when they're on birth control. Like that's, and again, it's a third,

you know, you're missing a third of that. And I mean, when we say that it affects your emotions or affects your mood, it also affects your desires, meaning like, what are you attracted to? What are you not attracted to? Sure. You know, I've looked at data that showed that, you know, women on birth control

have a completely different attraction to their spouse or significant other than when they're not on birth control. I was really, I've seen that. I was astounded by that. I mean, I'd hate to be like the dude that's wife gets off birth control and it's like, hey, I also want a divorce.

Yeah, right. Just so you know, yeah, we're done. Just, you know, I'm not really attracted to you anymore. But you think about the fact that, limiting that phase of the menstrual cycle could have that profound of an effect on a woman that she might not be thinking about. And their psychology, yeah.

Because we think that it's so simple. Well, if ovulation is the cycle duration where I'm most at risk for getting pregnant, then I'll just stop that. Sure, no big deal. And now things are simple again, no big deal. But you think back to this circadian biology and when you start really interrupting

the circadian biology, I mean, I had a client that I was sitting with, with a doctor, our clinic director is a board certified OB-GYN, and she was mid, late 40s, like peri premenopausal area. And she'd been to a bunch of hormone doctors and they told her, well, all your hormones are in range. But when you actually look at the range that they're in,

they were in different ranges. Some are ovulating, some are in the luteal. You gotta look at day 21 typically when you're optimizing that. So, you're not a fan of birth control. Cause I wanna get, I wanna actually come back to this client. I want to work my way up through the ages of women.

Like what can they do or how can they go about making this decision? Because parents are concerned that their, you know, young daughters are going to be sexually active. And obviously they're considering birth control, but not understanding the consequences. I don't think very often they're OB-GYN is explaining the consequences. Yeah, thoroughly enough.

I think, yeah, so if you had a teenager, and I'm trying to like picture my own daughters here. It's like how I would talk to them. How old are they? Five and three. Okay. And then I have a seven-year-old son and then a four-month-old son. Okay. Wow, you got four?

Yeah. Wow, you got four? Yeah. Wow, you're active dude. He has six, yeah. You got six dude? Holy cow. Yeah. I got three, I picked up one along the way. And

Hey, one and more is great. Yeah. I mean, and I love it. I make fun of it, but I used to always tease my wife and she used to hate it. Maybe that's why she's my ex-wife now, but. But we had our third kid and she would leave town and leave me with the kids.

I'm like, look, before you leave, just pick your favorite two and I promise you they'll be here when you get back. But three is just too much for me. Your plane's on. I have ADHD and I didn't know what it was back then. So yeah, you know, but I can keep an eye on two. But the third one's going to wander. I don't know where it's going to go.

So she's like, I hate it when you say that. It's like, my baby's. Just trying to make her feel guilty for leaving. No, that's true. Yeah, I think, um, so if it were my kids, if it were my daughters, I think the whole sex conversation's a, that's its own conversation by itself, right? Like, kids are gonna go off and do things that are maybe not what you plan for them to do. Right. But I think if you, if somebody, like kids are gonna go off and do things that are maybe not what you planned for them to do. But I think if somebody's saying

you need to be on birth control, the first question I would ask is like, okay, well, what symptoms are they having? What kind of problems? Like, is this something that you're trying to control like with menstrual cramping before cycle begins? Like, is it debilitating in that way? Okay, if it is, like, what are you doing leading up to the beginning of her menstrual cycle? Because

once you enter that luteal phase, your need for you know B vitamins increases, magnesium increases, omega-3 increases as a foundation. And then you also understand that you're going to be kind of on the tail end of this bell curve. And if you start here at the follicular phase and you kind of get ovulation and kind of hit the luteal phase, it really is like you're kind to be kind of on the tail end of this bell curve. And if you start here at the follicular phase and you kind of get ovulation, you kind of hit the luteal phase. It really is like you're kind of coming off this high, right? And that high is going to require you to understand like, maybe I shouldn't be exercising quite as hard as I happen.

And a lot of these young athletes that are being pushed and pushed and pushed, not considering their cycle and not like that's such a conversation I think should be so foundational. Whoever does that, like what coach is like, OK, girls, like, where are you at in your cycles? You know, right. Where are you at in your cycles? Instead of it's like, go, go, go, go, push, push, push. And it's like, hey, they may not actually have it in the tank right now. Right. And we can work on getting in the tank.

But having to understand that when female bodies are not consistent, like a male male's hormones are very consistent. For a long time, females are all over the place. And that's why I think female are so challenging is that we're not considering those fluctuations. And I think that would be the first thing is just like, are we pushing our daughter too hard? Is she pushing herself too hard?

Is her culture is pushing herself too hard? Is she sleeping? So can rhythm conversation? Is she taking basic supplements? Is she MTHFR? Does she have MTHFR? I love that you're talking about MTHFR. Nobody talks about that.

Nobody talks about that. And women have it more often than men. Yeah. And so it's like- Significantly more often. Yeah, what, 60-40 or something like that? Yeah, 60-40. Yeah, so like those kinds of conversations,

just having that awareness of like, what are they actually up against on a consistent basis? And then obviously you have to touch on food. Like if they're eating everything else that their school's feeding them or their friends are consuming and they're consuming all these processed foods, like all the things that you always talk about that I love.

Like it's like, if that's a part of their daily regimen where their insulin's becoming less sensitive, where their inflammation skyrocketing, their omega-6s are off the chart and they're deficient in all these other things, vitamin D, omega-3s, like you cannot expect that their hormonal building blocks are going to be there for their thriving of their body. Because like they're pushing a survival response through cortisol and that directly will tank

progesterone and that will directly affect your sleep and then It'll affect their conversion of estrogens from testosterone and better aromatase pathway. And that's where PCOS becomes a lot more problematic for these younger women. And so I think there's so many things that need to be done before birth control is even considered, let alone the prevention of a child. But like, just in terms of prevention of the symptoms, we have to figure out, like, what are we trying to accomplish here? And I think that's that's the starting point. And I think a lot of it is obviously preventing pregnancy,

but a lot of it is also like hemorrhagic, menstrual cycles. I mean, cause we see that a lot in our clinic that they're coming to our OBGYN and saying, I mean, they're in school and they're exhausted because they're losing school. Yeah, losing a lot of their irons. They're anemic basically for short term.

And they're exhausted and already, especially in high school, you know, high school starts the earliest. My understanding is we're gonna actually start to change this, but I always thought it was odd that as my kids went from kindergarten to grade school to grammar school, you know, and then school to grammar school, and then eventually to high school that the start times got earlier.

My sixth grader started at 9 a.m. My ninth grader started at 7 a.m. And that's a big difference because you gotta be in class to start at 7 a.m. Which means you're getting school 6.30, 6.45, whatever, which means you're probably getting them at 5.30, 6 o'clock at 7 a.m. Which means you're getting school 6.30, 6.45, whatever. Which means you're probably getting them at 5.30, six o'clock at the latest. And I still remember driving my daughter to school,

to high school and just pulling into the parking lot and just watching the zombies walk in. And you could tell like that kid has not been up for more than 10 minutes. 10 minutes ago, literally they were still asleep. They were playing video games two hours ago. Hair messy, sweats, some of them, Starbucks coffees, they're sort of, and I know there's a whole conversation

around the fact that teenagers actually need more sleep. These aren't lazy teens, they're growing. It's physiological for sure. Yeah, it's physiological. And when you have all that biological activity in the body, it's exhausting, growing is exhausting. My son, I noticed the same thing, both of my sons. They were playing sports and they were just coming home.

Sometimes he would come home from football practice and just literally eat, go straight to bed. And was still exhausted when he was waking up. You can never recover. But back to the women's hormones. So I know a lot of mothers are facing this. And so you're saying before you're using, you think about birth control,

either as prophylactic measure against pregnancy or hemorrhagic periods, is to look at the whole picture, this whole idea of, let's call it lifestyle medicine. Sure, yeah, absolutely. And I think we start to think of those factors a lot later in life, when we don't think about them for teens. I never did.

Yeah, I mean. I knew nothing about this stuff and my parents didn't know either, you know? And so I think for people like us who are in this world and this is constantly what we do and think about, it's like super obvious, right? Like, it's like, oh, this is what you have to do. But there's somebody else that's not in this world,

they have their responsibilities, they have their job, they're doing what they're told. And they're doing what they think is best. And so they think this birth control is the best option. So we love our daughter, let's do what's best for her. But I think if you understand, like, okay, maybe we can say like, that's not best. And just like get that out of the way.

Then it just opens the door for people to be like, let's evaluate our life. Let's figure out what we can do. Again, that's not expensive. Like this is not expensive stuff. Like it doesn't need to be a ten thousand dollar a night resort in Mexico to make this happen. Like this is stuff that you can do starting now. But it requires intentionality and discipline and a belief that you can actually

impact it and fix it. Right. So I think that's where I can I always have to start there with my clients and just making sure that they understand what's possible. And then from there, we just break down their life. We were talking about this other guy who's like a financial auditor. And he'll have people come in on his podcast, and he'll just rip them a new one

and be like, you're spending all this money. They said they have no money. And he looks at their finances and they're like, you have way more money than you think you have. You're just being foolish with it. You're not being intentional. And I kind of do it with my clients. It's like, I just look at it like,

hey, you say you've done everything and nothing works, but have you done this? Like, have you tried getting your circadian rhythm balanced? Have you tried not eating these foods? Have you tried taking these supplements and being consistent with them? Have you actually followed a protocol? Like, have you kind of done some detailed lab work?

Like, have you done this stuff? Right. Well, I've tried a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Is this what your active life program is about? Yeah., a little bit of that. Is this what your active life program is about? Yeah. Talk a little bit about that. Is there, so a woman watching this podcast that feels off, right?

Feels out of balance, which is very likely hormonal. Yeah. Could be a host of other things. And then I wanna talk about autoimmune conditions for women as well. Sure. But where do they start? What kind of panel do they pull? Where do they start? What kind of panel do they pull? Where do they start?

What are some of the biggest things that move the needle the most for women that are having hormonal imbalance? Even like this woman that I was speaking of earlier, when I looked at her labs, I was like, well, look, it looks to me like, first of all, you're completely out of phase. So the level of your hormones doesn't matter

as much as your ratios. Sure, absolutely. And your ratios are way off, even though they're in the normal range. One's really high, one's really low, and you have estrogen dominance. Right, and you have estrogen dominance, and then they blow up like a balloon,

and they think that they're fat, but they're not. They're just retaining water in that interstitial space. Estrogen's very good at doing that. There are gene mutations like CompT that don't allow estrogen to be eliminated as like the E2 pathway as well. And so then they start retaining a bunch of water. And nothing is more frustrating to a woman

than like doing everything right. And exercising and they're not gaining or they're losing, they're not losing any weight, they may be gaining weight. Right. Yeah. Yeah, so we start with whatever labs they've had done. We kind of analyze where they currently are. Most panels are pretty basic, so we can kind of facilitate and recommend

like what they think they should get. And we'll usually start with, you know, looking at micronutrients, making sure that they have sufficient B vitamins, you know, vitamin. Amazing. Yeah, we have to start with that. Omega-3 would do a fatty acid panel

just to make sure that they have that box checked. So can you see the omega-6s off the chart when you do that? I've only had one person that was not, like on the extreme side of the range. Like they were actually like in the moderate area of the range with their omega-3 to omega-6 fatty acid ratio. Most people are like so off the charts with omega-6s. It's unbelievable.

And when do you attribute that to? Seed oils? Yeah, seed oils are diet. I mean, a deficiency of omega-3s in our food that they're consuming. So they're not getting any balance. Yeah, I think everybody needs to substitute with omega-3s. I heard you talking on a podcast

and my wife, Carly, she showed it to me and she's like, I wondered if he's like seeing what you talk about because he asked you like, what are the top five things you recommend everybody should do? And like you recommended the things. And I was like, that wondered if he's like seen what you talk about. Because he asked like, what are the top five things you recommend everybody should do? Yeah. And like you recommended the things. And I was like, that's exactly what you recommend. And it's like, I agree.

It's like you got to have vitamin D3 with K2. You got to have magnesium. You got to make sure you have sufficient omega 3 fatty acids. And you can throw in a couple of different things, multivitamin B complex, whatever. But like those are so crucial to just basic foundational health for the human being For the human being and they're, they're not being like, I talk about it all the time and I know you talk about all the time too, but it's still people don't know about it. Yeah. Just like how is this missed?

Part of me thinks it's too simple. Like, you know, people want something extra more extra complicated and I don't even sell those things. Right. So that freaks people out. But and, you know, I get accused of trying to push things all the time. I'm like, guys, you can go to a Thorn,

you can go to a Pure Encapsulation. You can go to, there's a lot of great options out there, but these are the basics. Right, you can't skip the basics. And I think too that, you know, my research, or not my personal research, sorry, the research that I was reviewing when I was in that industry,

there was clear pathways between nutrient deficiencies and the expression of disease. And I believe that the root of a lot of these consequences of aging, just based in missing raw materials, I mean, if you don't have enough DHEA, for example, you're never gonna construct certain hormones. If your cortisol is off the charts

or you have adrenal fatigue, you're not going to make certain hormones, especially at night, when your body's actually creating these. That's necessary. And we're such circadian creatures. So let's talk about a basic panel. And then for listeners right now, especially

my female audience. What lifestyle changes make the greatest impact on self-correcting hormonal imbalances? So we'll start with the first visit I do with my clients is we'll walk through their life. All the kind of things we're talking about at the beginning of the podcast. Just like what is holding you back from being consistent? Like what what true obstacles do you really have? Because some people have legitimate obstacles in their way. We can't change everything, but we meet them where they are. And I provide them a meal plan that I've.

It's an elimination style process we go through. I call it diagnostic because it really is kind of helpful to diagnose like what I know, I always say, what healthy foods are not healthy for you? And what I mean by that- What healthy foods are not healthy for you? And what I mean by that is that, for eggs, for example, that's a big spectrum of what quality is,

and also how your immune system responds to it. Eggs are a superfood. Like if you do all of them, they're fantastic. If you don't, they trash your immune system. And so if you do well, you mean if you aren't allergic to the egg proteins, right? If you're not with the egg proteins or just like what's being in what's in the egg, corn and soy and all that stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So there's this acid. Yeah. So there's that conversation of like, hey, we got to figure out if that's a prom for you. But the only way to figure

that out, at least in my opinion, is to get them to where they feel better. So the first four to six weeks, I wanna see that their weight has changed. Because if they have this inflammatory weight, that should start to fall off. I wanna see that- From an elimination diet. That plus kind of like whatever protocol

we get them started on from a supplement perspective. It usually involves the foundational principles that I talked about. Every once in a while there'll me a couple variations here and there. We always meet where they are and say, hey, like if you own these supplements that are quality and the dosages seem to be sufficient, like let's keep those and start with those.

You gotta take them, but you gotta start with that. If they don't, I'll make some suggestions on different options and brands that I think are a better fit for them. But it's just the rich recommendations, right? So depending on where we need to go from there, we get that foundation set, we get their sleep circadian rhythm set, we get their hydration.

How do you set their sleep circadian rhythm? What do you tell them are the do's and don'ts for sleep? Yeah, it's all the typical, you know, limit blue light, you know, limit your intake of food a few hours before you go to bed. Make sure you're not over hydrating right before bed because you need to wake up with a bathroom. Make sure your electrolytes and minerals are all balanced beforehand. Make sure that you're not just zoning out watching TV before you're trying to go to sleep and then fall asleep ten minutes later and you wake up an hour later

and you're all disrupted. And I think the biggest thing that I try to tell people though is there's this I like to use this example of missing the bus to Sleepy Town, which is very childish, but it works for people. And it's just saying like, you know, there's, there's a bus that's going to take you right to sleep. It's the first bus is great. Like, it's going to take you right to your destination, you're going to get there feeling refreshed and all good to go the next day. If you miss that bus, like, you know, you're getting tired at 830, nine o'clock, you're

like, oh, I'll just push through and I'll catch the next bus at 1030. I'll go to bed then you may not go to sleep right away. Like you might have a cortisol spike, you're gonna have an issue with your melatonin dropping. The next thing you know, you're having a rough road all night long and you wake up feeling tired. And so understanding like-

And the later bus is even worse. Oh, it's terrible. Because you can sometimes catch a second wind. That happens to my wife all the time. Yeah, second wind phenomenon. Like you're like Captain Chatty at one in the morning. Right, you gotta cut it off here. Yeah.

But it makes sense for one of these, right? And so, and again, for women to understand how cortisol will directly affect their progesterone and how it'll affect their sex hormones is critical because you're robbing Peter to pay Paul kind of situation with your hormones. Like there's a certain number of hormones you can make from your cholesterol

and it's gonna be diverted depending on what your body needs. Cortisol is a surviving hormone. Like if you're like, hey, I'm stressed out, I'm watching something that's stimulating, I'm staying up past my bedtime and now we're getting into a stressful conversation and now all of a sudden I'm hyped up,

like you're not gonna fall asleep. Like that's not how your body is designed. Like it's making you more alert. So those basic things is making sure people understand and I never assume with anybody. Like I always make sure like, this is what we have to do. They tell me all the time, I've done everything. I'm like, I take your word for it there. But more times than not, we're not actually doing it. It gets back to this whole idea of honoring

your body and understanding like, what am I trying to do with this? And I can, we can get in that a little bit, but you have to do all those foundational sleep hygiene principles first. Like those are, those are absolute necessities. Now in terms of supplements, you can't supplement your way around poor sleep. Yeah, but if you, so if you do those things and then you start supplementing with like magnesium glycinate, L-thionine, or you know, something in that ballpark, that's usually enough

for most women to start initiating a good sleep cycle. And then from there, if they're having like true insomnia, you know, where they can't fall asleep or they can't stay asleep, that's where we'll, I have a couple of protocols I've used in the past where it's like we'll do a short short term of a low dose melatonin like 0.5 milligrams and if they're not on any SSRIs or anything like that, we will maybe recommend like 5-HTP for a short period of time just to kind of help that process get going in condition or in conjunction with

magnesium glycinate or L3 and eight, depending on what kind of issues are happening. Yeah, three and eight, yeah. That's usually more of like a racing mind in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The three and eight and the methylfolate just, in my opinion, from my experience with clients seems to work really, really well,

especially for women with MTHFR, which my wife has. And she'll take methylfolate before bed religiously every night, just a five-methylfolate. Calm the brain down. And magnesium three and eight. We take something called magnesium breakthrough, which is amazing. It's just like a...

Combo, right? Yeah, it's all seven forms of magnesium. And the other thing it does is it makes you very regular. Yeah, for sure. And I always tell clients that if you're that, you know, if you're not having a bowel movement at a relatively consistent period of time, usually within 45 minutes of waking, yeah, that's something that we need to address. Well, that's one of the primary ways we detox, right? Yeah. And so so many women, they have thyroid issues, and they have sluggish bowels,

you know, they don't detox. And they're like, I go every once every couple days. And. That's not normal. You know, you should be going multiple times a day. Right. Ideally. So you can go more asleep or do you want to talk about? Well, I want to continue with the, you know, the women. So they get this panel done. You start with the basics, you fix asleep, you start them on basic supplementation, which I would so far agree with everything that you're saying. And I think these are the simple building blocks. These are the easy building blocks that get really overlooked and they wanna go right to hormone therapy,

which I'm a fan of, but you got it in the right case. We can talk about that too. Yeah, and I think I wanna get back to what you said. You said something really interesting of this idea like it can't be that simple. It must be something more difficult. And sometimes it is really tricky because we're dealing with human beings

and you don't always know everything that's going on. But I think we want an excuse to be able to kind of just do what we want. It's hard being consistent. Like it's hard being disciplined. Like it's one of those things that... I think it's one of those like choose your heart. Yeah, right.

Like what do you want down the road? But like- Hard work sucks too. Yeah, it does. But being broke is really sucks. I mean, they down the road? But like- Hard work sucks too. Yeah, it does. But being broke really sucks. Yeah. I mean, they're both hard. But like the short-term satisfaction, short-term instantaneous gratification idea, that's what Instagram is all about.

It's just hitting that all the time. And so we're getting that programmed into our cells constantly. So putting our effort towards something that we won't see results on for two to three weeks, which is, to me, it's like, I mean, I've had people that had fibromyalgia that had like debilitating hormonal issues, you know, diabetes, autoimmune conditions that were just debilitated. And like, three weeks, they don't like their symptoms start going away. And they're just like, I didn't even know this was

possible. Like they lose weight, they start feeling energized, like what am I supposed to do with this energy? I'm just like, God created our bodies to heal. You cannot miss that. Like that lose weight, they start feeling energized, like what am I supposed to do with this energy? I'm just like, God created our bodies to heal. Like you cannot miss that. Amen to that. I love that. Like your body is craving healing. But you also need the raw materials, right? You gotta have the raw materials.

DHEA, elevated SHBG, you know, vitamin D3, which is I think the most overlooked supplement of all, right, D3 with some K2. I think that gets overlooked. And either in an oil that already has the fat, so it's soluble, or with food. Yeah, with food. And you look at the levels of chronic deficiency

in vitamin D3, you know, they say it's 50% of the population, I think it's more like 85% of the population. Yeah, I think so too. I would agree. Especially dark. Suboptimal deficiency for sure. Yeah, suboptimal. The clinical deficiency is like, that's below 30. 30 nanograms.

Okay, and that's crazy too, but like below 55, below, like that's most people. And there's some really interesting research around breast cancer risk and other things in women with functional ranges being between 60 and 80, having a preventative. Protective, yeah. And I knew from the mortality space

that the second leading cause of morbidity in COVID was a clinical deficiency in vitamin D3. No one wanted it to be that simple, but it was. There was a stat, I'm trying to remember what the percentage was. It was like 70 or 90% of people that died from COVID were like deficient. Clinical deficiency in vitamin D3.

Very accurate. Yeah, which is wild. Yeah, it is wild. And also like they're calling it a racist virus because, you know, blacks were having higher death rate, mortality rate, because like, well, yeah, they, if they're up in the north, northwest, and like, you don't get much sun, and you have more melon in your skin, like, you're not going to absorb as much UV radiation. Yeah, well, it was all darker complex, like Latinos and... There's probably a metabolic issue there too, potentially, but I think the vitamin D

component is, yeah, it's so critical. Huge, I mean, it's a huge component. And I think that's where there was this, where it seemed like COVID was a little selective, but I think it was selective to the biomes that were most likely for it to flourish, which are gonna be people that are immunocompromised.

Have you been hearing about the amount of smokers that didn't die from COVID? Yeah, because of the nicotine bound to the subreceptor. Yeah. Nobody wants to talk about that. I know, I was hoping to talk about that. I'm not trying to bring it up on purpose, but I thought it was a good opportunity.

I'm like this close to going down the nicotine bandwagon, and you know, just to explore it. Well, there's some components to it. Yeah, I think, and we can talk about it. Like non-tobacco nicotine, obviously, not vaping, not smoking. Like a patch. But some folks that I really hold in high regard

have sent me some really compelling research. Same here. Nicotine and cancer, nicotine and viruses, nicotine and cognitive function. Testosterone too. Yeah, testosterone. And we have nicotine receptors. And you're right, initial, you know, in early COVID,

because of bound to those same receptor sites, a lot of smokers were not getting COVID. Yeah, because they put them in a key patch. They'd be the most unhealthy. There's even some sort of a groundswell now around nicotine and cancer. You know, before I get anywhere near that, you know, I would bring somebody qualified onto the podcast, but I've seen the positive benefits of the non-tobacco nicotines.

I think a lot of times it's also the delivery mechanism. Right, that's hugely important. Well, cause even if you're using like a pouch or something, there's a bunch of aspartame and they're bio-engineered food ingredients and stuff like that. So it's like, a lot of gums have, by the way, people never talk about gum.

Like gum's one of the worst things that we're chewing on all day long to have all these chemicals in it. But yeah, anyway, that's just a fun conversation. But I'm the same as you. I'm like, I'm very interested in it. I'm more open to it than I would have been. Oh, 100%.

But the same, I'm getting the same way with cannabinoids because we have an endocannabinoid system. We can cannabinoids in the body. People think cannabinoids are THC, they're not, you know, and, you know, and CBD, even microdosing of mushrooms, you know, they, not the psychedelics, but, you know, reishi, cordyceps, you know, these, you know, for cognition and yeah, for cognition, replacing caffeine with those. I think there's a role for all of these things. It's just that they get so abused that as soon as you bring those up,

people think of the abusive roles and not possibly. Well, it always gets back to this concept too of like the things that are coming from our earth that are healing. You know, like there's, I think it's an alkaloid from like this Madagascar periwinkle plant. It has, this is, this is a good one.

I feel like you just made that up. You get double. Oh, the Madagascar periwinkle plant. I grow those on my balcony. I practice saying it like 20 times now. The Madagascarian periwinkle plant. You don't have periwinkle in your fridge? Not the Madagascarian.

Yeah, not that form. South Polynesian. No, but there's this, there's this alkaloid compound that's, I think it's called vincristine. It's what they use for chemotherapy. It's like $28,000 a gram. You know, 10 times what it is for gold. And it's like, so what it does is there's, this is something else that sounds weird, but the chikamate pathway within plants is like what allows this to be produced.

And there's other plants that have the same pathway that is producing these alkaloids that are very helpful for the human body, right? When we consume them. Well, glyphosate blocks that pathway. And so there's all these other foods that we're consuming that are not getting, we're not getting this access to these alkaloids that would normally be there. And so you're eating this food that's like cardboard that doesn't have any nutritional, real nutritional value

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So the, I mean, I know glyphosate, it's terrible for us. It's one of those forever chemicals. Interestingly, I accidentally got heavy metal poisoning. Really? Yeah, I'm got heavy metal poisoning. Really? Yeah, I'm actually in the metal detox now. I'm doing it with my VIP community. I'm actually walking him through the whole protocol. What a good opportunity.

Yeah, it was an amazing opportunity. Not so great for you, but you know. Well, not so great for me, but it's an amazing opportunity because a lot of people that will, you know, have metal toxicity, number one, they don't know it. And number two, they have no idea what to do. So I've just been very transparent and very, you know, have metal toxicity. Number one, they don't know it. And number two, they have no idea what to do. So I've just been very transparent and very, you know, vulnerable and authentic about it

and saying, here's my blood work and here are the collation tests that I did. But here's the protocol that I'm gonna follow to get out of it. 45 days, they're down almost half, which normally would take eight months to a year. Wow. And so I've been just documenting everything

and I got it because I believed, it wasn't even a friend of mine, it was a doctor that I was referred to that had this machine that he said was restructuring the water. And scientifically, the explanation made perfect sense to me and he had a PhD in this arena. It's just that the piece of equipment that he was using

was actually made to be a welder, not to restructure water. Long story short, I ended up getting lead, which is really bad, and also very high levels of mercury and also iron. So I'm keylaning those out of my body. I'm doing EBO2, sauna. That's great.

I'm using nonchemical binders like activated charcoal, Xeolite, sauna. Spirulina or anything like that? What's that? Spirulina? Spirulina. Chloro? Chloro. Chloro. But my whole point in saying that is that, a lot of folks just don't, they

don't know what to do when they encounter these, you know, toxic or even to test for these things, mold, myotoxins, viruses, heavy metals. And a lot of those are flying under the radar of modern medicine because they also don't just pop up on your labs, right? They don't usually throw lab values into a tailspin. So they just sort of slip by. Very, very hidden. I had a client recently she we she had mold. We tested her she was having terrible issues with thyroid estrogen was just all out of control. So I was like, do you have any like where do you actually live in Florida? And so I was like, well, we're capital of the world. Yeah. And I want like

old lottery in Miami. Oh, I'm sure I can't imagine. And so I was like, you have mold issues? Well, we're the capital of the world right here. Yeah, and I was like. We won the mold lottery in Miami. Oh, I'm sure, I can't imagine. And so I was like, have you checked for mold and all that? And we did it, we had her do mold tests and sure enough, zero alone, or I can't remember how to say it, it's a type of mold, but it affects estrogen activity, right, and so she was very estrogen dominant and also her thyroid was just completely out of whack and sure enough, she's starting to see a huge improvement

by getting that, but that was something that I didn't even realize. Well, the amount of metals in thyroid issues is mind-numbing, because the thyroid has a special affinity for heavy metals. Yeah, it does. And the amount of mold and mycotoxin that flies under the radar too.

But what I've noticed is when I test what some of these filters are pulling out of my blood, thankfully I'm seeing the metals coming out and my serum levels are dropping and my urine levels are dropping, but, and I feel fine now, I didn't initially, but this, you know, I saw the glyphosate and the aflatoxins and I was like, wow,

somebody like me is getting glyphosate. Now I travel, so occasionally it's a 16 hour flight I eat. I am eating at restaurants, even though I'm trying to be as intentional as possible. Then I've got to think, man, the population has got to have so much of these hormone disrupting chemicals. Oh, anyway, let's get, I'm gonna get back to the female journey.

So now they get a hormone panel, we put them on basic supplements, you fix their sleep. I wanna move towards the, you know, the women that are perimenopausal, premenopausal, because this is a really interesting time for them because some of them go through it asymptomatic. Right. And I know several of those, but some of them have, you know, crippling

symptomology. And tell me where you fall on the hormone scale. Are you pro hormones? Are you anti-hormones? Yeah, I mean, considering hormones rule the world, I'm very pro hormones. But you're talking about like, hormone supplementation. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah obviously bioidentical is what I prefer I've had a lot of clients that have come to me after they've been on bioidentical hormones for a while and they're like hey it was great the first few years don't seem to be working anymore right and that's where we start to intervene I always tell my clients if you're on them currently you may not need to be at the same dosage that you were on to start and so as you

Start fixing some of these issues. We always recommend they go back to their whoever the doctor is and have them Re-evaluate it and adjust it and change them down because we don't want to start creating more problems if you get one testosterone and she doesn't convert it well, and she starts converting more androgens and She's not gonna have she's gonna have more problems than she started off with long-term. And so I think it has to be a very complimentary kind of approach with it. And that's where, again, where we fit in.

We're not prescribing them. We're not telling them to get off them. We're just saying like, hey, this is where you are with your lifestyle. This is how we're gonna help support you in that and help you implement these changes. And then let's let your body tell you via testing like what you need to do next. And they love that because there's no shortage of hormone prescription out there. Like everyone

wants to do that. But what about what about a woman who knows that she's estrogen dominant? Is it as simple as taking something like DIMM? Or do you in your practice, do you guys rebalance the hormone? Do you actually put them on hormone therapy and fix progesterone levels and estrogen levels? Or do you try to take somebody that's estrogen dominant and deal with that in a different way? So again, it's gonna depend on what's kind of driving it, if it is a deficiency or if it is something

like their gut health because of how involved your gut is in detoxing estrogen and metabolizing it. And so a lot of women have, and I shouldn't say a lot, but women that have high estrogen, they have also high beta glucuronidase. And so that affects the enzyme that will help to detox estrogen out of your system in phase two detox. And so if the body doesn't do that, because they have a processed diet and all these deficiencies, and like that's the first place I assume is like your microbiome is probably disrupted. And that's a very, again,

that's why they see a huge effect with the diet we put them on because it's very focused on their microbiome and getting beneficial bacteria and eliminating processed foods and high inflammatory foods. And also getting their macros corrected to where they're getting sufficient fat and protein,

along with all these other things we've talked about, their body starts to rebuild their microbiome. And then when it does that, beta-glucuronidase comes down to a normal level, and their detox levels go, or their detox ability goes up. And next thing they know, they've lost 15 pounds in four weeks. None of it is usually, you know, not losing muscle,

like they're losing water weight and some fat, but mostly water, it's inflammatory. And so when they see that happening, then we get their estrogen towards more appropriate. And at that point in time, like you were saying, we look at the ratios. Is the ratio between progesterone and estrogen, is that more in balance?

And I think as women are transitioning from 45 to 55, their primary ability to produce progesterone is limited because they no longer produce in their ovaries, they produce in their adrenal glands. So if your adrenal glands are attacked all the time, you're not gonna be able to produce as much progesterone as quickly as you need to when you need it. And that's why I think, again, women have to-

Game changer for sleep for women too. So huge. And actually for men too. Oh yeah, women have to- Game changer for sleep for women too. So huge. And actually for men too. Oh yeah, for all of us. But the hard part though is like, okay, where are they from here to getting to here? And like sometimes it does require them or Chase, Trueberry or whatever it is

to kind of help get those balances right. But that's not the first place we start. Like that to me is, we have four phases. The third and fourth phase are really focused on metabolic and sex hormone health. But I don't I always tell Mike, we can't get here until we get this, this, your, your inflammation, your detoxification or control. Yeah, we do that, like it'll pave the way for rapid success in these other phases with your thyroid

and your sex hormones. Yes, that's where I think that's where I think people need to start. That's where we start. You know, you've talked about the dangers of certain supplements and additives. So what are some things that people should look for in a supplement to maybe- Oh, a supplement? Yeah.

Be down for it, especially, you know, women. Yeah, besides all the like additive, like I have a whole, like I have a book on all this stuff, but like one of the, I have a whole list of like you have a book on it. Yeah, it's not officially out. It probably is out by the time this is out. But OK, great. Probably going to just be an e-book. It's called Holy Health.

OK, it's going to it's like WH or WHOO or OLY. And it's like a play on just like being whole. Right. But also it's kind of funny. So I talk about like a whole list of ingredients like karygine and titanium dioxide and magnesium stearate like all these like basic ones that shouldn't be in there But then you have to look at the quality of whatever supplement you're taking So if you're taking something like you know a b6 supplement, it's like there's p5p You know paradoxical 5-phosphate

Yeah, and there's also pyridoxine, HCl or whatever it is. And so that's synthetic, not a natural form of that. And that's gonna be a, not a danger, but more less easily absorbed for the body. Yeah, it's like folic acid and... Yeah, exactly. Yeah, perfect example. Huge fan of that.

Yeah, right, yeah. And so getting those things right is where I just, I try to educate them, I try to show them. That's why I think for them coming to me, they're like, what do you think I should be taking? Even the supplement conversation, I'm taking this one, is this okay? And my usual like, well, not so much.

It's very synthetic. And it's like, this is an alternative option. You can look at it, it's natural and it's gonna be absorbed and this is how you can absorb it. And so this is when to take it. This is how much to consider taking. So that's where we start with a lot of these people.

But I think if you, I don't even know where to start with that, because there's so many supplements that we could talk about depending on which supplement you want to know. But I think it just depends on the supplement you're using. Well, I'm excited for this ebook to come out. Because I, you know, I do the same thing.

I have a guide online too. And I, there are certain contents that are in really inexpensive supplements that not just fillers, but folic acid, cyanocobalamin, which is- B12. Does occur naturally in nature, but it's also cyanide based, you know, B12.

Your body's gonna have to convert it anyway. So- Not very efficient. I'm just saying, if you're actually gonna go out and intentionally purchase a supplement, usually it's a marginal increase in price to get one that does have the binders, the fillers, the additives, and has already been methylated.

And it can be a game changer, especially for women, younger women, menstruating women, and pregnant females to take methylated nutrients versus the other one. And that kind of just, you know, sparks something in my mind, but a lot of, you know, we're talking about food, like we always want to start with food, right? Like I think supplements, I'm a huge fan of supplements. I use them all the time, endorse them a lot. But some people are like, why can't I get it through food?

Well, there's a lot of reasons for that. But if you're eating even quality food, I switch them out on my clients over to, you know, grass-fed, grass-finished beef if we can and get them all those staples going. But some people are like, I'm doing that. I've been doing that and I'm still not seeing, my B12 is still low. I'm like, okay, well, how's your stomach acid? What do you mean? Like, well, I don't have any acid reflux.

Maybe I do have acid reflux. I'm on a PPI, a proton pump inhibitor, and my B12 is low, my iron is low, my vitamin D is low. It's like, well, like your stomach acid is not acidic enough to actually absorb these things and break them down. And the way you can figure that out is that intrinsic factor is what helps, you know, B12, for example, actually get into your cell. And so that's a, I always forget to mention this, but like that's one of the starting points with this whole conversation with our clients is how is your stomach acid? That is the starting point of health. If you don't chew well and you don't break it down well, and you're expecting your microbiome

to be good, it's impossible. You can take a bunch of these supplements, but you could get it through eating grass-fed beef and some of these other nutrients, these other amino acids, and you would probably be better off than where you currently are. And then we can start to fill your needs with supplements and things like that. So it has to start with that whole holistic perspective. And diet-wise, first of all,

I'm happy you're mentioning grass-fed beef. I mean, where do you fall in like the vegan, vegetarianism versus meat eater category? I'll just say I've converted a lot of vegans into, you know, regular eaters. Okay, omnivores. Regular eaters. Yeah.

I think it'd be very fun to do that. Yeah, I haven't seen enough to support that that's a good idea. You know, and I've had a lot of clients that were really struggling very, very clean in their life, you know, very low chemical toxins coming through their diet and things like that. But they were, they weren't getting enough of the foundations through your animal products. So what are the most common, I guess, misconceptions for women of all ages that they make about hormone therapy

or about hormones in general? You think that women are put on hormones too early? Do you think that hormone therapy is not used often enough? Like what are some of the big misconceptions that you see coming through your practice that you're clearing up? So at least in my experience, a lot of them have tried home and replacement therapy. So I think I'm kind of speaking to that crowd.

And I think... Again, I have a hard time getting a blanket statement on that because I think it can be very helpful and effective for women, depending on where they are on their journey. I would just encourage women to like, again, get back to this misbelief that they have no role in this whole conversation. Right. I try to explain things in very like, kind of like analogies.

So like, if you think about like a king in a castle, who has his people in front of him, peasants in front of him, he has his knights and protecting him and all that. Like if there's a threat, he's gonna be the first one to leave. He won't return until everything's all safe and sound. And that's kind of what your hormones do. Like they're very much responding to an environment,

at least your sex hormones. Like they're not gonna be there when you're surviving. And so if your environment is constantly sending a signal to your hormones that they need to respond to this dangerous environment, you just can't expect your sex hormones to be well supplied. Yeah, I hear Mark Hyman talk about all the time, if you have a sick fish,

the first thing they do is clean the tank. Yeah. Right? Yeah. They filter the stuff out of the water. They clean up the environment and the fish yields. But I completely agree with you. You have to believe that first, right? Start with that, don't let the misconception,

maybe even deception of our society tell you it's not in your hands, because I think a lot of it can be in your hands. From there, you can make an informed decision about what hormone replacement therapy will look like. How much, what kind? Am I doing testosterone, progesterone, estrogen? Or am I just doing testosterone?

Or am I just doing some progesterone? Because getting a multitude of different hormones coming into your system and not converting well, because you still are lacking B5 and B6, and you still have issues with methylation, and you still have this issue with your gut, like it's not gonna go well for you long term, at least in what I've seen.

So you have to kind of build, yeah, get the fish tank clean, and then start to figure out what you need to do from there. Yeah, yeah, they rarely isolate the clean and then start to figure out what you need to do from there. Yeah, yeah. They rarely isolate the fish and then start injecting the fish or putting chemicals or synthetics or, you know, pharmaceuticals into the fish. They really clean up the environment. Yeah.

And again, that's not like going to solve every single problem. Right. But I think you have to start there, right? Yeah. And I think a lot of people get so discouraged and hopeless with their effort. And I always tell people, it's like, if you can get that set up first,

it's like a good financial investment. Like you can make money while you're sleeping. You can be building better health while you're sleeping if you get these things in alignment. Your body can move away from just being like, I think people focus on doing a lot of healthy things, but they don't focus on healing. And there's a big difference,

like healing is very active and very intentional and very specific. And it's figuring out what your problem is with a qualified practitioner to then identify what your healing protocol looks like. If you broke your wrist, you wear a cast, you don't just take it off on the weekends. You keep it on, you heal it for eight weeks,

and then you get back to rehabbing. And that's the process. But with our hormones and with our health, we don't view it that way. We kind of just like, well, I'm eating pretty healthy. I'm doing some things, I wear my blue light blocking glasses and I try to keep my stress low. And it's like, okay, those are all very good things.

But like, what is missing in your specific system requires specific information. And then you have to follow that pathway. I love too that you're very open about being a, you call it a biblical rooted health practitioner. Yeah. Talk a little bit about what the role of faith, at least for you, right? plays in this, in this scheme of grand scheme of things. And you know, I feel like Bobby Kennedy is the same way, You know, he talks about his journey

and how I might be bastardizing his story a little bit, but he stumbled upon a book on, it wasn't really a faith-based book, but it was a book that had him begin to consider, you know, faith and belief in something. It's a really interesting story. And he tells this story about how he wasn't a believer, and God didn't believe in Jesus, really didn't have faith in his life.

He was an addict. But he knew he would do anything that would help him overcome his addiction. And I forget the name of the book, I'd have to find it. And if I do, I'll put it into the show notes because it was such a compelling story. Just cut it in real quick. Yeah, I'll cut it in. Or I'll just drop it in the show notes for the podcast listeners.

But essentially he stumbled upon this book and basically it wasn't a pro or anti-faith book in and of itself. It wasn't like he found the Bible and he started to read it and was like, oh man, I'm gonna start following Jesus. What he found was this book that said, it was basically what do you have to lose? Because if you

believe in a higher power, you have faith in an higher power, and you have something to fear, and you believe that there is something that is observing you when no one else is looking, then you can begin to live a life that is one that's the same whether or not you're in the presence of other people or not. So in other words, you know, he was like, it really spoke to his heart because the addiction is something that you hid. Sure. You know, it's not like you would shoot up in a room with a bunch of other people. You know, you would, you know, you'd go blindly around the corner into the bathroom. So nobody's watching. And, but this,

this whole idea of a belief in a higher power said that there's never a time that you're not, you know, being watched. You might not be being judged, but you're being, being watched. And it, it started this road to faith. And while he was considering it, he talks about this volleyball game that he was playing. And, and while he's playing volleyball, somebody hit the ball and it bounced off of a pole. As soon as it bounced off the pole, he goes, that's going to get hit by a truck. And the ball, you got to look this. Yeah, you have to watch us. And literally the ball bounced out

into a street and got run over by an 18 wheeler. And everybody on the volleyball court was like, what? And he said, it was right after he found this book and he was like, he thought that this was a sign for God. And so he took a right turn. That's what it took for him. So I think everybody has a different story about maybe you grew up and faith is always rooted in your family, it was easy for you.

For me, I was saved by a promise keepers convention years ago. So tell me a little bit about what that means. So the biblically, biblically rooted thing is probably the most important aspect of this whole thing from from my practices perspective in my life. But I think there's two there's two again, two simple ways to think about it. There's a conversation that we are ignorant to things we don't know. God says in Hosea chapter four, verse six, I think that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

That's a problem. You know, we don't want to be destroyed by things we don't know. The second thing is iniquities. Those are things that we do know we do anyway. And like don't really care. It's like I'm going to harm my body. And this was like a more recent revelation that I had about the verse. I think it's first Corinthians 13, like, you know, your body's a temple, the Holy Spirit in that it says, like, you know, your bodies are not your own. They're about the price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. And the thing that stuck out to me was like, oh, this isn't mine.

Like if I brought somebody's car, like I feel it, I always call it the temple. Yeah. But like if I brought somebody's car, like I feel a full I always call it the temple. Yeah. But like if I brought somebody's car, like I feel up full of gas, like I'll maybe clean it out a little bit. If it's my car, I'm like, eh, I don't know. It's fine. I'll just maybe not wash it this week or fill it up. But I think having that perspective,

like this is not mine. Like this is a vessel that God gave me to be a steward over. That belief is so impactful when it comes to this health stuff, because you can have all the information, like people have so much information these days about what they could potentially do with their health. Yet most people don't take any action on it. And I think we're talking about this today on the way over here.

It's just like an Ecclesiastes, you know, King Solomon had everything. Right. Richest person probably ever. Thousand chariots, thousand wives. Yeah, everything. Yeah, he had it all. A thousand wives, a lot of wives. Yeah.

Maybe that's where he went wrong. That's tough. That was a downfall for sure. Yeah, hit it off. That was a lot of whys. Yeah. Maybe that's where he went wrong. That's tough. That was his downfall for sure. Yeah, there's one right there. But like, you know, he's talking about, and he always says, meaningless, it's all vanity under the sun and all this stuff. And I think from a believer's perspective, or even just like an average person that isn't a believer, it's like, well, it's all meaningless.

What does it even matter? But that's not the point of Ecclesiastes. Like, the point of Ecclesiastes is that it's not like the actual real word is like a Hebrew word is like Hevel is like what meaningless means. So we associate with like it nothing. Hevel is like it's like you can't grasp it. It's like seeing fog go across like you see it, you don't understand it. You can't like put your hand on it. Right. So that's kind of what life is. It's like life is Hevel. Like it's not something that we can fully grasp and put our hands on. But it's not like pointless. Like there's

so much value in our life, but we can't go one side of making it all about, might as well not do anything because what's the point? And we also can't make it about making it an idol to where this is all it's about. And like my health is everything and my biomarkers are everything and like my fitness is everything because like that's not healthy either. So I think for me as a Christian, it's like I have to kind of constantly be in this mindset of like it's not this, it's not healthy either. So I think for me as a Christian, it's like I have to kind of constantly be in this mindset of like, it's not this, it's not meaningless, but it's not everything at the same time. And like this is, for me, it's like,

God has a plan for my life that is bigger than I even understand, and he has an impact. And I can tell you a bunch of stories about this, but before I even blew up online, I prayed that God opened the floodgates and bring people to me like two years ago and each time like sitting here with you right now, it's just like so

so surreal because Like I never would imagine this would ever happen But like when it happens, I'm like, oh like I prayed for this to happen and as a child of God He likes giving good gifts and he likes like showing off a little bit, you know, it's saying like hey like I Yeah, I am in control here. Like, don't forget, like I am control. And that this, this life is not meaningless. It's not pointless. Like you are here for a reason.

And I think as parents, as people who are trying to better their health, you have to figure out what is that reason for you? Like what is that? Why? To where all this effort that you're putting in all this toil, like King Solomon talks about in Ecclesiastes, like the toil is our reward. Like the toil is worth it. Like hard work is good.

Yeah. But understanding why you're doing it is better. And I think if people can get that correlation dialed in to where they know that if I do these things, it's going to yield a result and that it's worth it. People are going to, they're going to invest in their health and that they won't have nearly the issues they're having now, because they see that what they do matters and that there is, that there's some level of purpose and all that. And it's not about all the money we make

and all that stuff. Like that's all gonna fall away at some point. It's like if you build a sandcastle, like you start at seven a.m. in the morning, you build this magnificent sandcastle and it's beautiful. You're like toiling with it, you're laboring with it, doing it with beautiful. You're like really, you're like toiling with it, you're laboring with it, doing it with your child or something like that.

And then next thing you know, the tide comes in and it washes it all away. Like that's what our life is. But like all that, that whole process building sandcastle wasn't for nothing. It all had value. That's amazing, man. Well, first of all, this has been amazing.

I'm definitely gonna have you back. I wanna follow your journey. Cool. Tell my audience where they can find you. Yes. So, online at my Instagram, you guys can link that. I usually have a link at the top of my page. Dr. Austin Lake? Yeah, dr.austin.lake.

dr.austin.lake. That's right. Okay. I also, I currently have a website that's transitioning, and so it's going to be under holy dot health transitioning to what a male or female. Transitioning from a so we're building we're building a we're going to start training coaches okay to operate in this because we've had such a high demand for what we're doing like just like yourself and so we're building a training program for coaches to help them to go out and to service these people

that can help to help implement this stuff. And it's like, and it's not that it's like secretive information, but it's just people need help with implementation. So it's gonna be this new thing that we're doing. That's why it's transitioning to a different website, but I'll be talking more about that on my social media and stuff so you can find, you can also just Google my name

and you'll find stuff on me. Okay, great. Well, I wind down all my podcasts by asking all my guests the same question. So there's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Oh, man. Russell Brand stole the answer. I watched that episode. I asked Russell Brand, he sat right in that chair. That dude, that dude is amazing. He is so smart. Yeah, he said Jesus Christ, which that's like such a perfect answer. Like, I don't know how you're going to beat that.

I think it's along those lines of imaging who Christ is, and it's loving the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul, and then loving other people as yourself. Those are really hard things to do. Those are the two greatest commandments that God has put on our life. Very simple. But to be able to do that, to have the mental clarity, to be able to have the energy, to be able to be the hands and feet of our creator,

like it's very difficult. And so being an ultimate human for me is really getting my body in a position, getting my mind in position to where I can be obedient to God's calling. That to me would be an ultimate human. That's amazing. Well guys, what an amazing podcast. You know, Dr. Austin and I are gonna move into the VIP Ultimate Human Group.

Now, if you're interested in becoming a VIP Ultimate Human, it's $97 a month, you can sign up at my website. Just go to theultimate human.com. We do private podcasts, we do all kinds of challenges we do live group q&a is in there. So go over to my website and check it out. And otherwise, as always, it's just science.