The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 157. Dr. Jessica Peatross: Detoxing From Environmental Mold, Lyme Disease, and Parasites

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Did you know that most chronic health issues that conventional doctors can’t figure out often trace back to environmental toxins, mold exposure, and hidden infections? In this episode, Dr. Jessica Peatross brilliantly explained why so many of us feel exhausted, foggy, and unwell despite “normal” lab tests. Here’s the mind-blower...your body’s mitochondria are stuck choosing between making energy OR fighting invaders. When you’re toxic, all energy goes to immunity, leaving you depleted! Join the Ultimate Human VIP community and gain exclusive access to Gary Brecka's proven wellness protocols today!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Featured article on Lyme Testing: https://bit.ly/42mg44c  Featured biohacking device (Flowpresso Lymphatic Device):https://bit.ly/3E9d7MD  Connect with Dr. Jessica Peatross: Website: https://bit.ly/42bHjQk YouTube: https://bit.ly/4j29ebk  Instagram: https://bit.ly/42bQ9gV  Facebook: https://bit.ly/4icN2tJ  Thank you to our partners: H2TABS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - USE CODE "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E COLD LIFE - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST $50+ ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y VANDY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/49Qr7WE AION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo CARAWAY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC HEALF - GET 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S BIOPTIMIZERS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4inFfd7 RHO NUTRITION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 Watch  the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:23 Dr. Jessica Peatross’s Journey 05:59 The Human Body Biome is a Giant Ecosystem 10:22 Specialising in Functional Medicine Treatment (for Stealth Infections, including Lyme and Mold) 16:22 Mold Detox Program 21:51 Mold Exposure Symptoms and Identifying Which Tests/Protocols to Undergo 35:02 Detox Protocols and Parasite Cleansing 42:13 Nervous System Regulation 45:35 Having the Perspective of ‘My Body is Intelligent, Not Broken’ 49:20 Biohacking Devices 51:25 Habits and Discipline of a Healthy Person 53:05 When Doing a Protocol: ‘It’s About Harmonising and Balancing, Not Eradicating’ 58:46 Natural Remedies and Therapies for Mold Toxicity 1:03:36 Lyme and Viral Pathogens: Symptoms, Diagnosis, and Treatments 1:18:29 Trademark Protocol: Kill, Bind, Sweat The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The Content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I started out as a conventional medical doctor. Eventually, there started to be cracks in the system. Why am I discharging people on 40 different medications? And they said, listen, if you don't stop doing this, you can't work for us. You can't take somebody who's in toxic environment and then just overload them with every supplement, and vitamin, and mineral, and amino acid.

Now you're just overloading a body that doesn't process it anyway. They just get on the hamster wheel of medicine and never find a solution. And that's part of what's wrong with medical doctors. They aren't open to learning things that they weren't taught in medical school. In the functional medicine or lifestyle medicine arena,

we forget to like take us that step back and really look at the person, their lifestyle, their spiritual wellbeing. Life's not this collection of goals and priorities. It's a collection of habits. These are people who are really sick. They're gluten-free, they're dairy-free, they're soy-free, they're nut-free, they're egg-free.

And I'm like, it's not your diet that's keeping you sick. A lot of people listening to this are in that place where something's going on, they can't put a finger on it. They've been told by everybody that they're fine. And the end road for them is they get referred to psychiatry. It goes back to the childhood and then what their continued stress is in life because what I've noticed is...

Whoo! Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breckow, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity and everything in between. And today you are in for a real treat, especially you females. My audience has been asking for more female guests and I'm so excited to have this next guest on. We're gonna go down the road of environmental toxins, breast implants, mold, mycotoxins, viral pathogens,

parasites, all kinds of pathways that I've been talking about expressly in the media for the last few months, and especially on my my VIP channel. These are the things that just go undiagnosed and even unchecked for sometimes for decades. So this is going to be the podcast for you for those of you that have been suffering from that unknown ailment that you just can't figure out. Your doctor's telling you're okay. Your labs look fine, but something's just not right. You're going to want to tune in today. So welcome to the podcast, Dr. Jessica Petros.

I'm honored to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm so psyched to have you. Like, we like you and I can't get a word in edgewise with each other. Like we're talking over each other and I'm listening to her, she's listening to me. And there's just so many topics that you're a subject matter expert in that I am deeply interested in and my audience is interested in. And I talk about this on the podcast all the time.

There's like a common theme that I feel runs through the Ultimate Human Podcast. And that is that the most impactful people, the people that are the most passionate that have discovered God's purpose for them, that are out there really changing the world. Sometimes they're not even physicians. They are people that have solved a problem.

And maybe it was drug and alcohol addiction, maybe it was tough relationship, maybe it was financial difficulty, maybe they had Lyme for a decade and nobody could help them and they became their own citizen scientists and they fixed this problem. And now they're this booming, impactful, passionate voice for that, whatever it is.

So I'd love for my audience to know your story, your background. How did you get here today? How did I? It's been a wild ride. Absolutely. So, and I would say my story exemplifies the saying from Rumi,

the cracks are where the light enters. And so I started out training as a conventional medical doctor. I went to school at the University of Louisville in Kentucky, went to residency there. I did internal medicine and I was board certified. And I worked as a hospitalist. So the person that's kind of the quarterback of the team, the ER calls them to admit everything but general

surgery pretty much. Okay. And so I had to know something about everything and I did that for almost seven years in a hospital. So internal medicine was your specialty? Okay. Yep and I only worked in the hospital and I learned a lot. I triaged and I kept care of a lot of sick patients but eventually there started to be cracks in the system for me. I started asking questions that people didn't like. I started saying, you know, why am I discharging people on 40 different medications?

That's not health to me. Why do we have Coke and Pepsi contracts and feed factory farm meats and cheese to patients who have cancer? Yes. Why is Jell-O on a clear liquid diet? Yeah, I have a friend right now who just was discharged

a week ago from Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, which, you know, hats off to the Mayo Clinic, first of all, because they saved my friend's life. He had septic when he went in there. But he's in the ICU of the oncology unit. And I did a little post about it. And I walk in there and he's got a Seagram soda sitting on the tray.

He's got pureed applesauce and he's got this sugar-free jell-O, which of course I flip around and I'm like, well, that actually, Red Dye 3 was just banned. They must be getting rid of the inventory. And it was just shocking to me because here's this medical system. Clearly the people in there are highly trained.

And I can't emphasize enough, had it not been for them, my friend wouldn't be here today because he was very septic and they absolutely saved his life. But once he was stabilized and in there, I was just like, wow, this is the ICU for the oncology unit at arguably one of the best medical systems in the country, maybe even the world.

That's right. And so I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I just struck a chord. It drove the point home maybe even the world. That's right. And so I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I just struck a chord. It drove the point home, it's true. Like, you know, the doctors should be really ashamed of the food that the hospital system has had contracts with. It doesn't make sense. I think they'd be ashamed if they knew.

They don't know, some of them don't know. And I will echo what you said. If I was in an emergency situation, I broke a leg, I could head straight to the emergency department because thank God for acute medicine. But in chronic medicine, they kind of missed the mark. They did. And so, you know, I started to see that in the hospital system and I started to ask questions.

Maybe they didn't know. Maybe what would happen if I said something? And it wasn't, they labeled me a disruptive physician. It didn't turn out so well. And the last straw, actually, I had been complaining about things. The last straw was I wrote, this patient that's being admitted to our service, I wrote this in the electronic medical record, has been on a proton pump inhibitor called Prevacid for eight years. When the package insert clearly says six months to one year. And I wrote that in the chart. And

the primary care doctor, who was an outpatient doctor, called the hospitalist, lead hospitalist, to complain about me and said she's a liability, rather than him being the liability for the medication he had this patient on for years and they sent me down and they said listen if you don't stop doing this you can't work for us and I'm kind of knee-jerk reactive sometime especially when I don't feel the ethics align with me and I said okay I quit I didn't have a husband I didn't have kids I had the leeway to be able to be a little bit more free. I may have not done that had I known

because I made a fourth of what I used to make when I left. What people don't know is there's not a ready-made system for holistic doctors or doctors who don't go the conventional path. My malpractice, my insurance was paid for in the hospital and I didn't have to think about anything. I got out of there and it got trained in functional medicine and had to make my own system, had

to be a businesswoman out of the gates for it to work. So that was a big lesson for me. So when you say I got trained in functional medicine, what do you mean? I think people are familiar with allopathic medicine, right? Most MDs are allopathic MDs and they have a specialty and they do plenty of schooling and they're very skilled and they have a high area of expertise in that core competency. What's also kind of astounding to me

is the way that we just bifurcate the human body. We sort of, it reminds me of like the hub of a wheel and then all of these spokes. And the patient's kind of in the middle and we're trying to determine, should you see gastroenterology? Should you see neurology? Should you see the OBGYN? Should you see neurology? Should you see the OB-GYN?

Should you see the internist? Should the psychiatrist? Because you have a psychiatric issue, you have a gut issue, you have an autoimmune disease, you know, you have a personality disorder, you have, and so what ends up happening is we slot people into these categories, but you know, human beings exist in communities, cells exist

in communities, the biome of the human body is a giant community. Ecosystem. It's an ecosystem. And it fascinates me that psychiatric medicine, for example, will treat this, you know, from neck up and then there's neck down, right? And like these are somehow not connected. Yes. Well, you know, and this is just observational, but we've had hundreds of thousands of people through our clinic system. And I never once saw a client, I don't have patients,

I'm not a physician, but our physicians had patients. And I never once saw a client, for example, that suffered from severe anxiety that didn't also have gut issues. That's right. Not once. a client, for example, that suffered from severe anxiety, that didn't also have gut issues. That's right. Not once, I mean literally not once. As soon as someone said I have rampant anxiety or I'm taking medication for anxiety,

instantly I would go to the gut and 100% of the cases they have the gut. So there's, and we know gut-brain connection and gut microbiome and I think most people are relatively familiar with that. But. Yeah, 80% of serotonin is made in the gut that then converts over to melatonin.

So if your immune system sucks, you can't sleep and you're unhappy, you should be looking at the gut. And to your point, the specialists, they do good work with their organ system, but the body doesn't work as separate organ systems. It works as a symphony as a whole. And it's a very delicate symphony.

And I've seen chart wars in the chart where the heart doctor was arguing with a kidney doctor about which one was more important at the time. I've seen this over the years. So you know it's not always, there's no perfect system but I think we can do better than what's out there right now. And so for me I started to say this in the system to people and when they didn't listen I quit and I got trained in functional medicine. I got trained at the Institute of Functional Medicine. I got trained in ozone by Dr. Schellenberger. Yes.

Absolutely. You trained a lot on my clinicals team. The first place I got trained actually was Gerson therapy. So there's what they taught me about nutrition a lot. They taught me about coffee enemas. And I still use some of their tenants in my practice today. So yeah, I got a broad range of- I mean, you went right to the pinnacle.

I mean, lucky for you, I don't know if you knew that. I didn't. Like went to the Harvard University right out of the gate. I mean, those are foundational in functional medicine and what I would call lifestyle medicine. I mean, that's as good as it gets. And Gershon is infamous for their cancer diets and cancer treatment.

So you get trained and then what did you do? Go into private practice? Did you open up a rental little place in a strip mall and you were shingled on the wall? How'd it go? Actually, I was living in California at the time. I was driving an hour each way to shadow a naturopathic doctor in East LA

and then Dr. Julian Whitaker over at Whitaker Wellness. I was gonna say an LA an hour can be like two miles. Yes, exactly what it was. It was very stressful and I didn't make any money, but I wouldn't change anything for the world because that's where those doctors were kind enough to teach a medical doctor what they have learned. And I was open-minded enough to let them teach me,

to let someone be a teacher. I don't know everything. And that's part of what's wrong with medical doctors, some in the system, is that they aren't open to learning things that they weren't taught in medical school. And you know what's really interesting is, part of the Hippocratic oath is about

our intellectual curiosity, right? Always asking why. And I think one of the greatest things that a physician especially could possess is that intellectual curiosity is to be just fascinated by what you do. Like I'm fascinated by what I wake up every day like a little kid.

It's not a job, it's part of your life. Yeah. Yeah. And I always, I wanna know more and I wanna know everything and I'll never know all of it and I, but I wanna know all of it. And I'm like, you know, it's really just an amazing journey and you know, sitting down with amazing people like you. So, you know, as you moved into this functional medicine

role, what really caught your attention? What did you gravitate to? Because functional medicine is as broad as allopathic medicine, right? And I'd love to hear what, you know, fascinated you and piqued your interest and curiosity and what sort of rabbit holes you decided to go down and become a subject matter expert in.

You know, at first I was dabbling in things like hormones, thyroid hormones, sex hormones, things like that. I really didn't understand, because as a physician, you don't really understand the root causes. There are labels, but you really aren't taught, they'll say something in the environment, something in your genes caused it, and that's it.

Just get stress out of your life. Whatever, yeah. Okay, so I'll leave my wife, not talk to my kids, and quit my job. Right? Right. I don't wanna get stressed out. No, that's sustainable.

So, you know, it's, they really, you know, I think with me, I started asking questions until I couldn't ask questions anymore. And one particular patient sticks out in my mind here at Whitaker Wellness. Actually I was there when Dr. Mark Philaday was there, who does a lot in mold and Lyme. And it was the beginning of my career in functional medicine. I didn't know a lot about those topics. And a patient came in who had heart palpitations at night and his thyroid was all messed up

and he had severe anxiety and all these other kind of just very vague catchall symptoms. And I was new, so I asked Dr. Mark Phyllidae to see him for me as a second opinion. And he came back and said, this guy's Lyme. And I missed it. And I didn't even think to test for it. And by God, I never missed it again. I'll tell you that, that was my lesson.

And so I watched him nurse my patient back to health and I was on the periphery. And Lyme's a tough one. That's a tough one. And I said, okay, this is something that is being missed by conventional medicine and I want to find the mystery reasons, the symptoms for people,

I wanna find the root cause for them. And I kept asking why until I couldn't ask why anymore. And it led me to things like biotoxin illness, like mold and water damaged homes and Lyme disease and parasites, because people say, oh, we live in a first world country, we don't have parasites. Well, parasites don't get borders.

They know that, right? They don't understand borders. So, you know. COVID had borders though. There was a time where you could actually walk up to a bar with a mask on and then take your mask off when you went in. Remember that?

So COVID actually, COVID didn't go by the bouncer. It was smarter than, yeah, smarter than other viruses actually. And then it would jump on the plane, but then when you got off the plane, it would jump off. It was pretty interesting. It only went six feet. That one was scientific too.

It only went six feet. That's it. Exactly. Okay. And we were using masks that were like 10 microns and it's 0.0003 microns. I'm like, you guys are trying to catch water in a cargo net over here. Right.

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than having a patient sit across from you, and you're looking at the labs, and you're like, there's nothing in these labs, and you can see, and they're describing the symptoms and you just don't have any rationale for it and your training tells you, well, there's nothing wrong with this patient because the conventional labs don't show it. They haven't changed in 30 to 50 years. Yeah, CBC, CNPs.

I can pick them apart and look at them functionally. I know you can too, actually. And it's one of my favorite things to do. But I love functional tests that dig a little bit deeper for me too. Cause the blood work tells a certain story, but sometimes not deep enough, right? And that's what I was doing.

I was looking at this patient's blood work and everything was within normal limits. Yes. You know, and he definitely wasn't normal. Yeah. And I see this all the time and these people look well, they look like they're healthy, but they're not. Yeah. And sometimes they don't have the like catastrophic symptoms, right? They don't have the symptoms that take them to the ER, but they've got this myriad of symptoms going

wrong that seems like the whole world's going to hell in a hand basket. They got brain fog and weight gain and water retention and poor sleep and poor focus and concentration. And they've got anxiety, you know, sort of out of the blue, that's not tied to anything in their outside environment. And they're mood numb and, and, and they know that something's wrong. They're like, man, here I am on the vacation of a lifetime with the people I love the most and a place I've always wanted to go. And I just can't get out of first gear, right? I can't feel it.

I'm just not. And they know that something's wrong. But they, you know, and because those symptoms don't link to a specific, you know, that's not type two diabetes, you know, hypothyroid, hypertension, because it doesn't slot into a neat category, they just get on the hamster wheel of medicine and never find a solution.

That's exactly right. It's never talked about what the root cause is. And some of these labels and ICD-10 codes that we bill for it in the hospital, I mean, like sarcoidosis is mold. It's water damage. That's an autoimmune condition from water damage buildings. The fungal balls in the lungs, the extra pulmonary manifestations, that is mold. It's fungus. And so that's one of my favorite things to do is take people who have labels given by the Western system and say, let's dig deeper and see what is causing your body to be out of homeostasis. What is causing it not to be in normalcy? And this one

particular patient early in my career I missed that and I will never do that again. I now I don't test everyone for Lyme disease but I go I spend an hour hour and a half with people. I dig into their antecedents, their triggers, their traumas. These are the things that put people on the wrong path throughout life. And eventually their toxin bucket fills up and you have to empty that toxin bucket. And oftentimes it's full of frenemies that run together. BPA and industrial manmade toxins and heavy metals

and the pathogens that are there for cleanup. Of said metals and things. Oh yeah, yeah, aflatoxin. So I wanna walk through like a patient experience because, you know, a standard set of labs, you know, people are familiar with, you know, you look at the CBC, you look at the Comprehensive Metabolic Panel,

you look at a lipid profile, maybe a hormone panel, some basic nutrient deficiencies, B12, vitamin D3. But for you, is there a sieve that you put them through? Is there like a vibrant panel or something that you like? I love vibrant. Shout out. You guys should be paying me 10%.

I actually spoke at their first conference for them. You did? I did, and they knocked it out of the ballpark. Best first conference. No, I actually just did the vibrant test because my whole family had mold exposure. My daughter actually just had to have a doctor write a letter to her.

The reason why she moved in next to me was because she was living in a mold-infested apartment downtown Miami, and she started having mold-like symptoms. I was sitting there with her one night, and I'm like, Maddie, something's just not right. And we went and did the vibrant test on her, mold off the charts.

And so then I had the condo tested and they found the same species of mold in the condo that showed up in the blood. And our clinic director wrote a letter and they were kind enough, they let her out of the lease and she moved in next to me. That was very good. But then we started the mold detox program,

which is definitely something that I want to talk to you about because I pretend to know what I'm talking about with mold, but I really would love to talk to an expert in that arena because I think there's there's a real paucity of expertise on how to support the body's detox, how to detox without making yourself sick because, you know because a lot of these remold, well, there's mold remediation for your house,

but a lot of these mold detox protocols make people really, really sick, in my opinion, because they don't fix their own detoxification pathway. It's one thing to dump the mold, right, out of the tissue, let's say, into the blood. But now you're really sick. Now you're really sick. And so if you're not using binders and glutathione

and sweat and these mechanisms that activate our own natural detox pathways, then now all you've done is just increase the toxic load. That's right, you're just recirculating toxins and can't get them out of the body. Yeah, so let's talk about what kind of symptoms would drive somebody to have one of these tests. I want to isolate mold for a second,

and then I want to go down the Lyme rabbit hole. And if we have time, I'll go down the parasite rabbit hole. Because I think all three of these things are so important and they're so not talked about. I put myself on a parasite cleanse for 10 days every few months. Man, you're my people.

I'm your people. Yeah, I have to say. Parasite cleanse. Yes. Parasite cleansing people unite. Our indigenous relatives need to do this once or twice per year. And so we don't ever do it, you're right.

Yeah, I'll think to do the phenbendazole and the ivermectin and some other compounds and make sure that I'm taking a lot of glutathione, I'm intentional about sauna. So I just try to, and I always feel really good afterwards. Sometimes I, because I like to do everything all at once, I do like mold, mycotoxin metal and parasites

and then I don't feel so good. Yeah, it's hard, right? I have to say your detox and drainage pathways are definitely open because you work every day at that in your life with biohacking. Most people don't do that. So I have to start at ground zero with them. So I have learned yet another important topic

about detox here in my career. Not that long ago, actually, in the last couple of years. I would always talk about Herxheimer symptoms, which is our healing detox reactions. If people's bodies aren't prepped and ready for a kill and a bind and whatever else to get things out, enemas or sweat, then they will recirculate, like you said, toxins that make them feel

like they have the flu. And guess what, they're probably not gonna continue your detox if they feel sick all the time. Yeah, this happens a lot with our high dose ozone clients. Ebu will fix that. Yeah. Ebu, cause it filters. But still yet, how do you prep someone properly so they don't quit the detox

and they come back to themselves a little more naturally and easily? And so I used to just really work on drainage pathways, but now I back up and I do a step before that. Okay. And this nervous system dysregulation. Now we're talking about mold detoxes. I do this with mold and Lyme and parasites and any sort of detox that someone needs to go through.

Because I used to with Lyme, sometimes you'd have to keep them on detoxes for a year. This is a war. Oh yeah, like is it Lyme stuff? Now that I go back to nervous system regulation, if I can put someone in homeostasis and balance between parasympathetic and sympathetic, all their endorphins, all their neurotransmitters, all their bodily functions are working on a different level that a pill won't fix.

There's no pill to fix that. You have to regulate that first. And then the drainage and the detox is about half the time that it would normally take. See, I knew I would learn something on this podcast. Already paid for the podcast. I'm telling you. see, there you go. I'm glad I can be a little obliged here. So yeah, but you know, whenever you're in nervous system

dysregulation and you're stuck in flight, fight, or even worse, functional freeze, your body contracts. It contracts, so it won't release some of these things. It doesn't feel safe to let go. And so I'll do like a vibrant total tox on somebody, looking at mycotoxins, looking at heavy metals. So vibrant total toxin just for the people that are listening. Yes, glyphosate and pesticides.

This is a blood test that you do and it's looking for all these. It's urine. Oh, sorry, urine tests, you're right. That you do and it's looking for all of these different. I wanna back up just for one second because we're getting into an awesome area and say, what are the types of symptoms

that someone would be having that would even lead you to say, let's run this panel on you? Such a good question. So, such a good question, I'm telling you. So if I wanna look at a total tox with somebody who comes into my clinic, we do that test on every single person as well as a blood work panel

on every person that comes through. And what I look for with people with this brain fog, mystery symptoms like migrating joint pains maybe. They might have fatigue, weight gain that doesn't come off. It's pretty resistant. They might have hormonal issues, which hormones are never root cause. They're always a byproduct of something else

that's confused within the body. I could not agree with you more. I mean, 70% of our hormone therapy patients that qualify for hormone therapy actually don't need hormones. That's right. Right, they need precursors for hormones, they need to get other things out of the way,

sex hormone binding, glabulone, and we go straight to- Quartisol. Yeah, cortisol, especially for women. Yes. You know, I feel like you can't, you can't supplement or treat your way around poor sleep. Like you can't eat your way out of not exercising. There are certain foundational basics,

but back to the symptoms. So, because a lot of people listening to this are in that place in their life where something's going on, they can't put a finger on it. They've been told by everybody that they're fine. And the end road for them is they get referred to psychiatry. That's right.

And most of the women I see have mast cell activation syndrome and histamine, especially after COVID, especially after the 5G towers went up, especially in the new stress, the new society. People are so stressed out. And the number one and number two reason for histamine release, which I have to start there with everyone and fix that first,

is mold and nervous system dysregulation. Yes. Thoughts can release histamine from our cells, 1000%. Wow, that is incredible. So they're having brain fog, let's say water retention, poor sleep, you know, poor short-term recall. PMS, headaches. PMS, headaches, you know, a lot of these things

and they've been told they're fine. So you run this Vibrant panel on them and Vibrant's looking at mold, microtoxins, metals. It's very thorough. Glyphosate. Glyphosate. I mean, some of the things on there, it's like jet fuel. I was like, what?

You guys test for jet fuel? I mean, but they do. I know. The butanes and the butylates. The phthalates, the plasticizers. The phenols. I mean, it's a very thorough test and it's obviously it's not invasive, it's a urine test.

And then you don't have to freak out, right? I mean, the good news is now you've got an enemy and if you don't know who you're fighting, you feel rather hopeless. But once you identify the enemy, now there's a mechanism to go forward. So now that somebody has aflatoxin A, aflatoxin B, they have these mold invasions.

And you know what's really interesting is we live in the mold capital world here, Miami, Florida, won the mold lottery. But people that are in drier climates like Malibu or Scottsdale, Arizona, they think, well, we don't have mold out here. Oh, yes you do. Yeah.

And because it's not, maybe the environment's not naturally a moldy environment, but just, you know, constructions come a long way, but these moisture barriers are not perfect. That's right. And mold's not something that pops out on the carpet or always comes out of your vents. It's very often behind the wall.

And when it's sporulates, these are spores that you can't see, often can't smell them. Really sensitive people can. My wife is one of those people who's like this. Like we walk into a hotel room and it doesn't have the right scent, we're banging a U-turn.

I don't care for the four seasons. A canary in a coal mine. And we thank God for those people. Because back in the villages, when we used to live in communities and villages, those people would drink the water in a creek and say, oh, I'm sick, don't drink that water to the warriors.

And they would prevent the warriors from getting sick who had to go out and fight the wars. So now we have warrior genotypes. I'm a warrior genotype. I'm a horrible test subject. I smell nothing. Nothing ever bothers me. Is that your comp tea?

Like warrior, warrior? Yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah, the catacol and that's what it is. I have a fastio and comp tea. That's what Iaclysm. I have a fast EO and comp T. That's what I have. Oh, you have a fast comp T. So I can break down adrenaline, noradrenaline,

things like that very quickly. So I don't worry that much. And I can handle anything. Yeah, you're a warrior. Yes. Yeah, not a worryer. Right, there you go. And that's the really the-

Try to say those back to back. Warrior, warrior. Warrior, yes. Well, you know what's so funny is my wife and I are fast and slow. So she is a worrier. Now, you know why, evolutionary wise, your guys' pheromones will attract each other

because you're giving children 50% totally different DNA than each other. So that's why they're attracted easily. And that's the case. She's a canary in a coal mine. Thank God for her, because she can warn you about things. She smells mold like a dog. She does.

And I see people on the total talks, they'll show up with some byproduct of gasoline. And I'll say to them, do you smell gasoline a mile away? Yes, and I hate it. It's the worst smell ever. And I smell it every, as soon as the car door opens, the gas station. I'm like, that's your body warning you, because it smells it so acutely, it's telling you, we can't get processes and get rid of it very fast. Get the heck out of here. Wow. That's really interesting. You know, it's funny how those warrior and warrior genes really,

when you look at it on paper, I mean, they really do manifest. We did these personality tests and my fear was less than 1% and her fear was like 99%. That's probably why she's only had one parking ticket since 1996 and my license has been suspended three times in 10 years. I just had one the other day.

Because I keep blowing tolls on I-95. But I'm like, I'm not worried about it. If I go fast enough, maybe it won't pick up my receiver, but it does. Cover my face up so they can take a picture. So you do this test and let's say that you find a mold species. I've been told that the cardinal rule

that you can't violate and sort of nothing else matters in the detox protocol is that a person has got to remove themselves from the toxic environment first avoidance first rule of environmental medicine Yeah, a thousand percent and I will tell you based on genetic predispositions How full their toxin bucket is how stressed out they are there a number of? Multifactorial reasons people may not do well in mold but I can sometimes open people's drainage in mold if they're more of a warrior But I can sometimes open people's drainage and mold if they're more of a warrior genotype. If they have HLA-DR, which is a haplogenic haplotype, but that is on the, like a little sticker that's on the immune cells, these people don't recognize pathogen proteins as well.

So they don't recognize Lyme, they don't recognize mold spores as well. So they can't remove them from the body and they cause sickness in these people. I mean, really deathly ill sickness. And so I definitely can't get open the drainage if they're still in the exposure. So first stage is identify it and the second stage is get them out of that environment or remediate the environment they're in because the nothing that you will be able to do is going to help them if they're just continually inoculating themselves, right? And people will say, you know, my house is new, we had it checked, blah, blah, blah.

And this is all very subjective within the mold and water damaged world. And what I want to say to people here, people say, you know, mold's been around forever. Why is it the enemy here? You know what? You're right. The reason is, is because the way we're building modern housing. We're using toxic adhesives, toxic carpet, toxic, we're letting the, be exposed to the environment where it rains on the wood while we're building the house.

And then we do things like energy efficiency, which is not natural. Airflow controls mold. So when you have an airtight home, that's great for energy efficiency. It's not great for mold growth. And some of these toxic things get wet within the house. Mold is there to digest organic waste. That's what it does in the ecosystem. That's what it does when it gets in CFO, small intestinal fungal overgrowth.

It's digesting putrefying food within the gut. That's what it does in the environment. We are part of the environment. So you get them out of that environment or you remediate the environment. And now what does the protocol look like to fix the nervous system and get them more into balance between sympathetic and parasympathetic?

And what is like a supplementation and regimen look like for somebody who's going through a mold detox? Absolutely, great question. So first and foremost, there are idiosyncrasies between each person. Everyone has a little bit, you tweak things a little bit different for each person, right? Based on what they're dealing with.

But in general, first and foremost, like I mentioned, the nervous system regulation and taking care of histamine, which is so many people, I can't have their body just like so confused with chemical communicators that it's not going to take a protocol. So I have to calm the inflammation down. I have to give them antioxidants and basic building foundational nutrients so that they can fight. Right. Right. So I make sure they have things that calm the histamine, something like vitamin C, stinging nettles, sometimes DAO enzyme, which breaks down histamine.

And they can be genetically low in this. Wow. Yes. B vitamins, methylated B vitamins, sometimes SAMI, if they're sensitive, adenosylcobalamin, hydroxycobalamin. And then I make sure they have antioxidants and bioflavonoids. Great.

Calm down everything. Right. Then when they're sleeping a little bit better, they feel a little bit better. They feel less anxious, less itchy and puffy. That's ready to open drainage, and that can take a month or two. Now what is opening drainage? We have these natural emunctuaries in the body, things like your bowels, your liver, your bile, your sweat.

For women, they're cycles even. And so I have to make sure that those are all running properly. Because when things enter the body, like mold spores, if you're open, you can just jump out of the body. If you're closed up and you tell me you can't poop every day or you can't sweat in a sauna within 10 to 15 minutes, and people tell me they can't sweat, that's not normal.

You can't, your bile and liver should be moving properly, should be sleeping a decent amount. And if that, I have to tune that up because if I can open those drainage pathways, then when I start killing and binding, they can drop when I'm binding. That's like a mop up toxins, they can drop it out of their body, out of their bowels,

out of their liver, out of their sweat. And if that's not open and I start a killing protocol, we're not gonna be friends. They're not gonna like me. That's exactly what we've experienced. I'm so glad you're talking about this because most people think I just take something and I start detoxing.

And then the problem is the detoxification process can make you much sicker than the process of, because at least your body has hidden it and it's in the tissues and it's contained it. And it's having a low grade inflammatory response. Your immune system is probably in a low-grade fight, but it's manageable, and then all of a sudden, it flares up.

And I noticed too that people that have mold toxicity very often, especially younger kids, will have repeated sore throats. I feel like there's been this battle between mold and bacteria for so many years, right? I mean, penicillin's a mold, right? And it kills bacteria, it's an antibiotic. And so they've had this war going on for centuries.

And when they're in the same biome, and somebody has a streptococcal infection and they have a mold, and then when the mold sporulates or flares up, then bang, they've got a sore throat. And then they treat the sore throat with antibiotics. and six weeks, eight weeks, nine weeks later, they've got another sore throat. And then they want to take the adenoids out, right?

They want to take the tonsils out. And the adenoids and lymph nodes are the heralding organs of the lymphatic system. They tell the whole lymphatic system to drain. So when you remove those, I already know someone's lymphatic system is stagnant, which is where we hold cellular memory, we hold emotions, and it holds a lot of the toxins that lay in the fascia and lymphatic system as well. So that's a big one, and I see that a lot too in mold, huge tonsils, huge tonsils, sore throats. I actually think oftentimes it lowers immunity enough for things like EBV and strep to take over. In fact,

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And then a month later you start to quote unquote drainage. Yeah and it's it depends it gives and takes a few how quickly I can get people calm down because sometimes they don't want to calm down in their thoughts and that drives a lot of this process but yes I can cut down on drainage and detox for people make them a lot happier if I can prep their body properly at first. And that, oftentimes I'll give them something for the liver to open that up. Castor oil packs as well. I do a lot of bio hacks with people. Sauna is one of my favorites. And the castor oil packs are external, right? Yes, they are. Okay, castor oil packs, external, milk thistle. Milk thistle, NAC, Tudka, you know, I really look at things like opening the

bowels has to be first and foremost. I can't give binders if people are constipated because it binds them up even more. Number one rule of detoxing, you cannot be constipated at all. So, you know, sometimes I'll bring enemas in if it's needed. That's a worst case scenario for people, you know, but I'm definitely utilizing biohacks to open up all their natural emunctuaries and drainage pathways so they're ready for the killing process, for the binding process, for all that. Wow. So I love this because you're sort of this roots up approach.

First you get them out of the environment. Second, you supplement them, not even for the detox, but supplement them just so that they have healthy biomes. Then you activate the natural detoxification pathways, sweat, urine, stool, liver, kidneys. And then what does the detox look like? When do we go in after the mold? Yeah, absolutely.

So the detox, I usually use something like biocidin. I also will usually do a parasite cleanse before going after the mold. And what does a parasite cleanse look like? So parasite cleanse, I like things like mimosa I like things like Mimosa pudica seed. Mimosa pudica. It's an Indian seed that is very, very, very sticky. Because I feel like you just made that up.

I know, right? I just jumbled a bunch of words together like pig latin. Mimosa pudica just doesn't roll off the tongue. I mean, I might have that for lunch. I mean, I'm gonna talk to my chef. I heard it taste awful, be careful. So anyway, it's this really sticky seed and it acts almost like when you put it in the gut,

like one of those, remember those sponges kids, sponges you put in the bathtub and they'd swell up? Oh yeah, the little dinosaurs, I love those. Cause it would come out of like a capsule and it would get like this big, you're like, how'd they do that? That's Mimosa pudica. Yeah, it's still like the eighth wonder of the world.

So it literally grabs everything in the gut, it's called the gut scrubber. So that, I really like wormwood, I like cloves, I like black walnut hull if no one's allergic to walnuts. I like Pau de Arco, Uva-Ursi. I use all of these as a killing protocol because people say, oh, this is a parasite plant. Well, just like antibiotics, they have broad coverage. These herbs will get bacteria, they'll get candida, they'll get parasites, and parasites in the animal studies hold things like heavy metals and environmental toxicity. So when I'm pulling parasites, I'm also

pulling mold spores. I'm pulling heavy metals as well that they digest because they're there to digest things in the environment that's not supposed to be in you. So in fish studies they hold six times the heavy metals that you think the fish itself can hold. Really? The parasite in the fish? Yes. That is incredible. And are you a fan of like finbendazole, ivermectin,

hydroxychloroquine? Yes. Any of those for parasitic cleansing? Yes. So ivermectin gets some parasites, but not all of them. It has not full coverage for everything. Finbendazole is the same way. It really works on intestinal worms.

And just for everyone watching, this is a dog dewormer. So it literally, it's, I learned about it in Gerson therapy. We would have people give people Phinbendazole and they would poop out intestinal worms and their cancer would start to improve. So this has been well known to me underground on Phinbendazol for a long time. Now I usually don't put people on these,

but I will, if they already have ivermectin or something, I'll be like, yeah, let's try it with some herbs. I usually match it with herbs so we get more coverage. So the herbs is the part that I'm not very familiar with. So I would love to have, if it's possible, I'll put your protocol and links to your supplements in the show notes because I'm such a big believer in this,

but I'm not really familiar with the different herbs that are really good, especially for mold toxicity. So these different, do they come in, are they separate? Do you, is there like a package that you put them on? How does it work? Yes, there are two different parasite cleanses that I really like that come in packages. And I love, we even use some mushrooms like unsea

and things like that in some of these. But definitely the herbs increase the broad coverage for ivermectin and fundamental. And they actually help with everything, not just mold. So bacteria as well. And so yeah, some of those herbs, I like biocidin a lot, it's like the zomal. So I know that it's absorbing in the buccal cavity

if you hold it under the tongue, it has broad spectrum activity against lime and candida and some mold as well. I did some this morning thanks to you. It did have a little sulfur vibe though, I'm gonna be honest with you. Nice little rotten egg bot. Oh, the Nano Glute B, my product.

Yeah, so the Nano Glute B is methylated bees, glutathione, which I'm sorry, guys, it just made of sulfur and it smells like a fart. It just does, that's the way glutathione does. Everybody hot boxes themselves. They don't wanna talk about it, but they do. Yeah, you can see. Dutch oven, if you've ever done it.

Things you do for health. So and vitamin C. So that one is something I give people really to calm them down, to help in the inflammation period before we go into drainage and detox. That's some of the foundational support that they need. But yeah, if I can get them past the sulfur taste or smell.

No, it really wasn't that bad. Actually, it tasted like lemon. It actually tasted good. You know what's crazy is, I've been on this journey for so long. I know it sounds crazy, but I can put something into my body, five minutes after I swallow it,

or the second that I taste it or put on my skin, I instantly know if it's working or not. Like, I don't know what it is. I inherently can just take it once and go, that didn't do anything, or I can take it and go, that did something. And maybe I'm placebo-ing myself, but I actually can see it on labs.

Like I was experimenting with different things for C-reactive protein, and I finally found this tincture, Sun Foods Brain Fuel, and it had Rice Bran, Bio-allo, silica clay, much different things in it. And I'm telling you, we started using it in the clinic with clients that had high C-reactive protein

and it would just collapse. And we would bring it back down under 1.3, 0.25. Yours, you were telling me at one point was eight. It was incredible. I don't think I've ever seen one that high. It was in November, 2022. And that was all from nervous system dysregulation and stress.

So, and I had MCV of 106, really high. The mean corpuscular volume? Yes. Okay, so that's on your CBC. So that's mean corpuscular volume is sort of the volume, the corpuscle is a red blood cell, but it's the volume inside of the red blood cell. So some of these measures kind of go missed

because I don't want to just throw out MCV and people don't know what that means. When you look at a comprehensive metabolic panel, very often things like hypoxia hide in plain sight because there's a range for red blood cells, for example, 3.69 to 5.8, I think it is if you're on a lab corp. And then there's a range for hemoglobin, for example, and you could have red blood cells down

in the bottom 10% of the range, but you're normal. Hemoglobin down in the bottom 10% of the range, but you're normal. Your RDW is high, your red cell distribution width is high, and this is like hypoxia hiding in plain sight. And the doctor looks at it and goes, all your labs are normal. And they're like, but doc, I am exhausted.

I go to bed exhausted, I wake up exhausted. I can't get out of first gear, fall asleep at my desk. It's almost like anemia, but not meeting the clinical protocol for it. It's a big red blood cell. And it's because I didn't have B vitamins, which I needed to make red blood cells and have correct production of them.

If you've iron deficiency anemia, they're super small, the red blood cells. I see that a lot with parasites because parasites eat iron and they don't let people absorb and assimilate properly because of the inflammation. So now you've gotten to the detox part. And now what are the nervous system regulatory things that you can do? I love that you asked this question. I love it because the reason my labs were so messed up

was because I was stressed out. So I had to be my own patient. And then I took what I learned on myself and brought it to the clientele. And so, when people are in nervous system dysregulation, they do things like they have this horrible startle reflex. And so, you know, when people are nervous system dysregulation, they do things like they have this horrible startle reflex. They'll speak without breathing.

Just, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They'll do these, they won't be able to get into a deep REM sleep at night, right? Because they don't feel safe to get into rest and digest. And so it's very hard to fix, you think about how hard it is to change yourself, I'm asking other people to change that are dysregulated and don't see themselves. So sometimes I have some herbs

and some supplements that will help. Things like one of my favorites is liposomal GABA with L-theanine. Because GABA- So gamma immunobacteric acid with L-theanine. Yes. That's a good one. Because there was controversy before

whether GABA could cross the blood-brain barrier, and now that we think it does. But even if it doesn't, you have GABA receptors in your gut that attach via the vagus nerve and the gut-brain barrier, and now that we think it does. But even if it doesn't, you have GABA receptors in your gut that attach via the vagus nerve and the gut-brain axis to the brain, and you have receptors here too. So it's modulating the entire gut-brain axis

and someone that's really spun out in flight or fight. And that really helps to calm the monkey brain at night, calm the anxiety during the day. I really love, depending on their genes, which you'll love this, I decide what kind of type of B vitamin they need. Because- I do the same thing, that's so good.

Not everyone looks, can handle methylated B vitamins. No, MTHFR, CompT, MTR, MTRR, those matter. That's right. And so I'll go with the Denosil, Hydroxycobalamin, or SamE, depending on the person. And if they can handle methylated B vitamins, I'll give them my NanoglutB, but not if they can't. Right.

And so that I look- To determine that, sorry to cut you off, but to determine that you're doing a genetic test, you're looking at the pathways for- Sometimes, sometimes. That's not something they come in my clinic and get automatically. We can do it, but we don't a lot of times.

So what I'll do is spend so much time with them, I'll ask them. I'll spend a lot of time going over symptomatology. And have you ever tried methyl A to B vitamins? Do they make you feel like you had too much coffee? How do you do with glutathione? There's a CBS mutation where people cannot handle glutathione sulfur outside the body.

Right. Exactly. So I test them and I ask them things. If they can't handle it, I'll stop and change for them usually. And then there are things that I like like homeopathics. So when people tell me they can't handle any supplements, I'll give them homeopathics, like Pecana's Big 3 that has liver, lymph, and kidneys in it,

and help energetically drain those organs emotionally and physically. So people get teary-eyed, they go emotions, because you hold emotions in the body and the organs. I totally agree with that. We know that frequency can be stored in water. I mean, there's no, in my opinion, controversy about that. Yeah. We know that frequency can be stored in water. I mean there's no, in my opinion, controversy about that. That's right. These are repeatable, demonstrable, you know, physical changes to the structure of

water and we know that emotion has frequency and that frequency can impact fluid structures and we're 67% fluid. Absolutely. So I think it's ridiculous for us to not think that our emotions don't have physiologic consequences. So as a part of this detox protocol, you're trying to calm their nervous system down by finding out what are your triggers? I mean, and are you digging in? Like what are your?

Do you feel safe in your body and your environment? You know when people say no, I can't heal a body you hate. I can't heal a body that's not safe. So I can't. You can't. That's amazing. I totally agree with you. So I have to get them to that place

where I trust the unknown. I trust something bigger than me. I trust that my body is intelligent and not broken. You know how hard it is to heal somebody that has that perspective? It's almost impossible. And what does this have to do with, is this like a deep-brooded self-image in

themselves? Like they say very often, you know, someone that's overweight sees themselves as an overweight person. That's just the image of themselves that they have. And it's very hard to overcome that self-image. Or smokers see themselves as a smoker and they don't quit smoking. Or, you know, I mean, they're, they're, or maybe they're in an abusive relationship and they've been convinced that they're, you know, not the victim, maybe they're an abusive relationship and they've been convinced that they're you know, not the victim that they're the perpetrator and they've they feel like bad person so they're like saddled with guilt and so they're all of these different states that people are in and If you don't get that to them and maybe even help them recognize them give them some form of release

But most people aren't really doing anything to care for their nervous system or their emotional state. They're not engaging in prayer or breath work or, you know, a good, you know, self-care routine. It's astounding to me how many people I talk to about, you know, what's your routine to go to bed? And they're like, I'm just getting bed.

I'm like, well, when do you get in bed? Well, whenever I'm done with my day, right? I mean, so now sleep is getting bullied around in the schedule like the stepchild. And then, I mean, well, what's your morning routine? You know, how do you wake up? Oh, and sometimes I brush my teeth, sometimes I don't, depending on if I'm in a hurry or not,

I just get dressed and grab coffee, run out the door. So, I mean, that's just wake, fight or flight out of the gate, right? Yep, 1000%. And you know, these women, they take just wake, fight or flight out of the gate. Yep, 1000%. And, you know, these women, they take care of everyone else but themselves. They would never treat their friends or their children like they treat themselves.

I think 82% of all autoimmune diseases in women, I think it's specifically linked to that. That's exactly where I was going. Do you agree with that? Yes, 1000%. It goes back to the childhood and then what their continued stress is in life, because what I've noticed is,

if people start out with a chaotic childhood with a lot of trauma, they will put themselves in that familiar state later on, even though it's not good for them, but it's familiar. So they'll take, you know, drink three cups of coffee in the morning because that reminds them of how they felt in their childhood. So I have to make them aware,

the observer of their thoughts to see what they're doing that is actually standing in their own way of their body healing itself. So it's very much an awareness game with me. And the first question I ask people is, did you have a happy and healthy childhood? Can you tell me about it? And then you can learn so much about an adult who is still masquerading as an adult really in a child's body from that time when they were younger.

So I really spend a lot of time there with parents with what happened to you, divorces, illnesses, things that happened when you were younger because that sets the tone for your health as an adult. Wow. Right? So I go there and I use a lot of biohacks that you talk about,

breath work is a huge one that I have people do. Wow. Huge. Sometimes people can handle cold plunges and sometimes they can't because these women in fight or fight. Right, I'll utilize fasting when we're ready for it. That can also be something that is a stressor for too many people. And so, you know, I use enemas, I use sauna,

I use a lot of PMF, a lot of lymphatic massage, myofactual release with breath work is huge. How do you use the PMF? Do you have them put it in their bed and run it at night when they go to bed? Yes, a lot of times. And then they just fall asleep on it. Okay, great.

Yes, and I'm using the parasympathetic balancing autonomic nervous system type of stuff for these people with PMF. That's a great way to get them there. Yeah, because if they've never felt that way and you put someone in parasympathetic mode, they go, whoa, this is weird. I feel vulnerable.

I don't know if I like this. Yeah, because they're always guarded. I've seen that happen to people at our Colorado place. We have a shift wave. It's sort of a combination of frequency and like almost like a light massage. And it looks like a lawn chair and you lay it. Oh, I know what this is.

It vibrates. Yeah, it vibrates. It has those cylinders kind of behind your calf. I got this thing and unpacked it and I was like, this is like, I'm not so sure I'm on board for this. And I'm telling you, I had clients get on there and cry when they got off of it. People that had pretty significant anxiety

would tell me, wow, this is the first time I actually started to dream. I fell asleep and I actually started dreaming. I don't remember the last time I had a dream. I was like a little child. I love that. So there is a shift, you know, state shift, you know, these Vemi-coosting beds.

Do you know about a Flo Presso? Have you heard of Flo Presso? No, but I will have one here in a day. Okay, shout out to Kelly Kennedy, my friend who's the Limp Queen here, who taught me about Flo Presso. I'm so daring to have a biohacking device I haven't found. I love it, I Limp Queen here. I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now.

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I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now. I'm so proud of myself right now. So it's basically you have it on a table, you're laying out, you have these things, you Velcro them on your legs, Velcro them on your arms, Velcro them on your torso, and then you set the machine at the bottom. It has warm infrared heat and microcirculation and it starts like a warm hug. It hugs you all the way up the legs, all the way up the arms to the heart. Okay, I have a Balancer Pro. It's like a rhythmic hug with heat that moves the lymph and people cry in it and they release

everything. Really? And so it's rhythmic or it just squeeze and dump? No, it's rhythmic. It's almost like a warm hug that goes up, up the arms, up the legs, the torso, all the way squeezing to the heart. Wow.

So it puts you to sleep because it's like an ocean wave almost. But you're like the kid from Christmas Story. Remember him when he fell over and he couldn't get up? Or your face. You can't scratch anything. You're stuck. I love that. I love that. I will please put that in the show. Flo Presso. Flo Presso just got an order. So I love that because you know truly this is a really refreshing angle because I think very often we get so bogged down in the science, like what kills it, what eliminates it. And even in the functional medicine or lifestyle medicine arena, we forget to like take us that step back

and really look at the person. And there's the analogy of when fish get sick, you clean the tank, you don't treat the fish. And yet we have the sort of opposite approach in medicine where we have a fish swimming around in toxic soup and we're trying to treat the fish. I love that you said that. And also tanks dirty and the environment's dirty

and that environment represents their relationships, you know, their diet, their lifestyle, their spiritual wellbeing, you know, their habits. You know, their spiritual well-being, their habits. People, I think, are beginning to realize that life's not this collection of goals and priorities. It's a collection of habits. When I see somebody that's really in good condition, the minimum I know about them is they have certain habits,

and they have some level of discipline. But people have the goal to lose weight, but they don't develop the habits of somebody who needs to lose weight, right? I mean, they have the goal of being really healthy, but they don't have the habits of a healthy person. Yeah, I'll quote Joe Dispenza here, who says, you know, your thoughts turn into your beliefs,

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optimal as possible first. And that's a good point, sorry to interrupt, but I never put them on more than six to eight things. Green Pharmacy is one of my biggest pet peeves and if we we do that, it's the exact same thing as allopathy. Treating every abnormality we find on a lab that is not pulling back, you're stuck in the forest, you can't see the trees. You need to pull back and look at a big picture of what organ systems and the body in a whole is not functioning at peak performance.

It's not about killing and eradicating, it's about harmonizing and balancing. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I saw an interview with Elon Musk one time and he said that most entrepreneurs think that businesses are about addition, but business is really about subtraction. And he has this philosophy that every time, you know,

he gets in these board meetings and they're trying to solve a problem, the first thing that they have to do is say, what are they gonna take away? Like, what are you removing from your department? What is unnecessary? Like, and if you removing from your department? What is unnecessary? Like, and if you're not coming to these meetings telling them what you're going to delete,

and you're only coming to add, then he fires you. And you know, here's a guy that's running, what, six companies all worth over $100 billion a piece. And sometimes widely different interest trees, all successful, but it's, and whether you like them or not it's it's this philosophical approach to you know the same thing with the human body it's like you can't you can't take somebody who's in toxic environment and then just overload them with every supplement and vitamin and mineral and amino acid and you know

because you now you're just overloading a body that doesn't process it anyway I see the sickest of the sick. Most of them are bloated with inflammation in their gut. So I try to give them powders, liposomal liquids, things like that, that I know they can absorb. Because 15 capsules with fillers, most people can't handle that if they're sick, they're chronically ill.

Very true. And I will say to you, and this might drive the point home for you. People say, I'm really sensitive. No, you're really toxic. You're really toxic, thank you, that's right. So for me, and this will put it in a different perspective for you, the reason I'm really sensitive. No, you're really toxic. You're really toxic. Thank you. That's right. So for me, and this will put it in a different perspective for you, the reason I get people

out of nervous system dysregulation into parasympathetic mode is because most of them are in cell danger response with the mitochondria. What? Cell danger? Cell danger response for the mitochondria. I've never heard of that either. You haven't. This is like, I'm going to take notes.

I never take notes during podcasts. Wow, I'm so honored. Thank you. I might even watch this one again. Thank you. So mitochondria, they do have a number of different functions within the body. But what they do mainly, the two biggest functions are immune system and making ATP through the Krebs cycle and electron transport chain, right? So so when you have to choose between those two, you don't do both very well. So that's why so many people are tired and chronically ill. And so if I go in and try and give them a Killbind Sweat

or a Detox and Bind and all that stuff, their mitochondria are already just fighting for immunity right now. Then I'm gonna make them exhausted. I'm gonna wear them out. You have to get them there where the mitochondria are more balanced with energy production and immunity so that they can actually handle the detox.

Right. So when you say that you, so you're actually having them do things like grounding, breath work, maybe morning sunlight. Yes, circadian rhythm, yes watch the sunrise and sunset, put your bare feet on the ground. Huge on that. I actually just had a client who was trapped in fight or flight, very well known DJ, and was actually having suicidal ideations because of the severe tinnitus. And it wasn't actually tinnitus from damage, it was tinnitus from frying his immune system. Circadian rhythm always off constantly, never waking up or going to bed at the same time, you know, four or five shows in a week, always on a plane, multiple time zones,

multiple, you know, different hotel rooms. You know why he had tinnitus? The body sees that, sorry to interrupt, the body sees that as it's a flight or fight or fear of sounds. So the body is stuck and it's a kind of trauma response from sounds. That's what the tinnitus is from.

Well, you know, the first thing I did when he, I actually had him stay with me for a couple of weeks and I would walk in to the bedroom and I insisted that he go to bed at the same time every night. Even if he didn't go to sleep, I was like, get in the bed. And literally like dad, and he's a grown ass man.

And then I would, you know, I'm up for my morning, I would go in and knock on the door and I would wake him up even if he was sleeping. And we would go out every morning, we would get sunlight. And then his girlfriend would take him down and they would do walks in the park, touch the ground. I'm like, you have to give your body some normalcy. Like it just doesn't know when it's awake,

when it's supposed to sleep, when it's supposed to be on, when it's supposed to be off. Sometimes you're drinking at one in the afternoon, sometimes 1 a.m., sometimes not at all, then sometimes binging it. Like, your body has no circadian cycle. And it was astounding what happened after, you know, just about a week of doing this solidly, one night, he was like, oh my God, I slept eight hours.

And the ringing went from like a 10 to a two. Then we brought in hyperbarics and red light therapy and other things like micellar tumor can cork him and things to just try to reduce inflammation. And now he's back on the road and he did a beautiful post about it. But I think too, a lot of people are not caring for the nervous system.

And I mean, how many times have you been in your physician, they ask you what your diet is or if you exercise or what the stressors are in your life, what do you do for a living? They're just looking straight at the symptom. That's right. So as you get them into this detox profile, because gosh there's so many people that have mold and don't know it, and you're working on the nervous system, what kind of things

are they doing at home besides breath work? What kinds of other things do you have them do? Yeah, for sure. So most of the time I'll have people watch the sunrise and sunset as I mentioned, and early on even if they're in a cold atmosphere and they can just look at it out an open window or something. That's what I say too. You know, just do that. Because people don't understand that really turning food

into energy is a light-driven process. The mitochondria is a light-driven process. And so... Such photovoltaic beings. We are really photovoltaic and people don't believe that. They don't get it. We've been taught to fear the sun. We have a circadian clock in every single cell that responds to light and dark.

So if you're staring at a blue screen, if you're never out in the sunlight, I can't get people better. So I have to have them following that recipe as well. Hiking at a sunrise, can't beat it. You cannot beat it. Literally, we were talking about this before the podcast. Nothing makes me feel better. I have a busted log cabin, a little one bedroom log cabin building, nicer one better. I have a busted mall cabin,

a little one-bedroom mall cabin, built a nicer one, but I have a one-bedroom mall cabin that Sage and I have on 50 acres in the middle of nowhere, Colorado. And it has solar-fed electricity, glacier-fed spring water, well and septic, propane stove. It is the polar opposite of what you see

outside this studio. And it's my favorite place on earth. And we go out there and spend the whole summer out there. We're 10,500 feet. And I get up in the morning and I just put this old school like rucksack on and grab a sidearm. And I go for this little four mile walk in the woods. And when I get back, I'm telling you,

I feel like I took a limitless pill. You know, and I got all the gadgets in the world in here and they kind of get me the same place But nothing feels better than that. You can take people who are super anxious and depressed even suicidal and put them on a you know a Week of camping like a new person. Yeah, they won't even forget. They'll get another mood disorder existed Yeah, so with those people have them do stuff like this I also really regulate their diet But to be honest with you, their diet is usually fixed by the time they come to me,

because these are people who are really sick. They've seen 30 doctors, they have mystery symptoms. So by the time they come to me, they're gluten-free, they're dairy-free, they're soy-free, they're nut-free, they're egg-free. And I'm like, it's not your diet that's keeping you sick, okay? I see this so much.

And so I regulate that. And you know, most of the time, I have to instruct people to stop scrolling, to distract themselves or dissociate, because they're not able to process their emotions if they're scrolling all the time. They don't know how to be a human being. They're human doing all the time. And so can you just sit with your feelings and emotions? Can you sit? Can you just sit and breathe and not do anything? So many people can't. It's their biggest fear. And so that alone lets me know where they are. So that kind of stuff throughout the day, right? I'll get them in the Flo Presso. I'll put them in the sauna. Take a binder before and a binder after. We're mopping up toxins.

You'll notice your body starts sweating sooner with a binder in it. When you do pre and post sauna binders? I do. Okay. Do you like activated charcoal, zeolites? Activated charcoal is great for hangovers or food poisoning, because it stays in the gut, but it doesn't go systemically. So I do like zeolite and bitonite clay,

but all of them created equal. We have to look at how they're made, right? Do they have the aluminum binding in them or not? Some of them do, the zeolites, yes. And so I don't like that all the time. What I really like are fulvic and humic acids, those binders, because they turn on pathways like the NERF-2 pathway. are fulvic and humic acids. Wow. Because they turn on pathways like the NERF 2 pathway. So fulvic and humic acids, okay.

So like, SheLiGIT is a fulvic mineral. Yes. But you're not talking about SheLiGIT. Well, it comes from SheLiGIT, for sure, for sure. But some of the best binders out there are dibasics of fulvic acid. They have lots of fulvic and humics in it. In fact, my company, if you just formula is

we put fulvic acid in every single supplement. Because it's 86 different trace minerals. And it has a binding component. So you put fulvic acid instead of like methylfolate or? Yes, just because not everyone can take methylfolate. I like folinic acid. Oh, folinic acid I love too. Yes, love, love.

So, you know, I'll do things like this with people and really just have their day regulated because if I could go live with everyone from nine to five, I'd be able to tell them what's going on or they're roadblocking about a week. But I can't go do that with everybody. That's awesome. So I have to rely on their description

of their life to me. And so I regulate their diet, make sure they have a water filter, they have good air filters, I make sure they're on the right basic supplements, then to open drainage the right supplements, very targeted, streamlined protocol without a lot of extra supplementation.

And then, you know, I really look at their mindset as well. I have to do, I have a mindset and a health coach who's wonderful, who is a specialist in heart math, specialist in family constellation. specialist in things like constellation. Yeah, and I have to talk to these people about this because I believe autoimmunity comes from an imbalance in the autonomic nervous system. I believe in that too.

So let's move on to another big invader. I mean, guys, there's so many things we could talk about like breast implants. I mean, there's just so many things. But I wanna talk about Lyme and viral pathogens too, because I've had some experience with these, and I think this is another one that very often hides and doesn't manifest itself,

and it's terrible for the people that have it. I think the lucky ones are the ones that get the symptoms that are so severe that they actually can't do anything but figure it out, and people that have it. I think the lucky ones are the ones that get the symptoms that are so severe that they actually can't do anything but figure it out and then they find it. It's the people that actually have, because it hides in the dorsal reganglion, right? And then it- Yeah, it hides in the fascia in the lymph, the joint fluid, so many things. Yeah, and then it has these, you know, periods of being dormant or latent and then, you know,

periods where it surges. And what's incredible is you can do a test and you're, you know, remiss if you only have an IgG, like a response, and then a few weeks later, you're IgM positive. You didn't like re-catch Lyme, it just, you know, like, like Epstein-Barr, you know, it's not really something you caught,

you've always had it, right? It can flare back up. Yes. And so it flares and then they have all of these symptoms and usually they're, they, they seem related to completely different systems. They're, you know, the joint pain, inflammation, intermittent tinnitus, and neuropathic symptoms, tingling, numbness, you know, all of these different symptoms that, and we always go to the system

that links to the system, the symptom. And by that, I mean, you got these peristhesias, we're after the nervous system. You have crushing fatigue, and we're looking at the blood, and then you have a brain fog, and now we're looking at the blood. And then when you have a brain fog, and now we're looking at a mental issue. And the truth is, it's like, I say this a lot,

it's usually one thing that causes everything. It's the one thing that's at the hub of the wheel, and it's causing all of these symptoms. So when you test and find somebody who's got a Lyme infection, what's the approach there? Right. So, mold and Lyme often run together known as biotoxin illness and they have overlapping symptomatology.

But for Lyme, you're right, three major symptoms, brain fog, fatigue, and migrating joint pains. And you said so many things that I want to touch on here. Lyme disease is caused by the bacteria called asperachete. It's corkscrew shaped. And remember, form follows function. So, you've got to think of it. What else's corkscrew shaped. And remember, form follows function. So you gotta think of it, what else is corkscrew shaped? Syphilis, neuro syphilis burrows into the brain, so can Lyme, high H pylori burrows into the gut lining,

so can Lyme, it burrows, the form follows its corkscrew shaped function. Now, when you put it on something, someone on something like monotherapy, like doxycycline, an antibiotic for Lyme. 21 day, that's the typical, yeah. Lyme is smart. This is a bacteria that has been around as long as humans.

It rolls into an L-shaped form, which is a sphere, and lowers its metabolism and dives deeper into the tissues with just doxycycline. So I'm not a fan of monotherapy for Lyme disease at all. And it's called the great mimicker. So a lot of things like lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, oftentimes are Lyme masquerading in high-end. Wow. Almost always with rheumatoid arthritis. You know what is fascinating is our clinical team found three clients, I call them clients, they're patients of theirs, that have been diagnosed with

Parkinson's that actually had chronic West Nile infections. Oh my gosh. And when you actually look at the literature and you look at the symptomology, they're like the pill rolling tremors, dysdiatomia, flexor dystonia, mood collapse. And you run that symptom down to the wrong, qualified neurologist and they're like,

you have Parkinson's. And then there's usually nothing that's definitively diagnostic. It's not like a brain scan, there it is, right? You don't see the amyloids or something. So, it sort of evades capture and like you say, it masquerades at something else. And now the sad thing is you're on this pathway

to being treated for a chronic disease that you do not have. And the invader's still in the house. It's like the enemy's put on your uniform. Similarly, I had an ALS patient who swam in the red tide right before his diagnosis. So these fungal infections and Lyme disease all often run together and look like these neurodegenerative conditions in people with heavy metals mixed in for good measure usually too, unfortunately.

So with patients with Lyme, I get a test. I like a number of them. I like TickBorne 1.0 and 1.2 by Vibrant. The TickBorne test. It's by a Vibrant. I like Iagenix, which is the gold standard for alternative testing for criteria for Lyme. And I like Arm and Labs too. Arm and Labs is great out of Germany. for alternative testing for criteria for Lyme. And I like Armin Labs too.

Armin Labs is great out of Germany. And so, you know, the thing about Lyme that people have to know is it's usually indirect antibody testing, which means we look at these bands and see if these bands are positive. Two of the most sensitive bands were removed by the CDC in the early 90s because they came up with a Lyme vaccine. It failed miserably because it had side effects

and they had to pull it off the market. And the reason they took the bands off was because people who Vaccinated for Lyme disease popped off positive on these two bands on the testing They couldn't have that happen, but they never removed they never put the bands back So the CDC criteria for testing is often very stringent and misses the mark because of that So the functional testing we've put those bands in and it's a little more accurate to get a positive diagnosis Now a lot of things- You're not saying there's corruption in the governmental regulatory bodies are you?

Not at all. Okay got it. So yeah, so you know there's no agenda at all. So you know that you have to know this about people and then another thing is if their immune systems are immunosuppressed which is a lot of people today, this is a lot of people who are sick with lowered immune systems, their body is not going to produce a positive band because the immune system is suppressed on this test. So we take all this with symptomatology,

with their story, with everything else for a positive diagnosis. So I'm gonna make sure that I link those tests in the show notes because discovering is the first stop. So now once you find it, there's got to be a lot of similarities to mold, mycotoxin detox and lime detox. I mean, I think that your best, I always believe that your best choice is to empower the immune system to do what it does best. Even though lime is a formidable adversary, you need to help it out. So what are the ways that you

provoke it and and and then Kill it. Yeah, there's actually you said provoked it remind me there's another lime test called DNA connections where you go get an infrared sauna or you get a lip massage and then you pee and It gets a positive test because you provocated the bacteria out of the hidden tissues with the massage or the sauna, right? I do the same thing with metals, right? I mean, yes of the hidden tissues with the massage or the sauna. Right, I do the same thing with metals, right? I mean, I've actually done, I got this water machine from this doctor that I trusted.

He told me it was restructuring my water. It wasn't, it was a Chinese welder. And this Chinese welder that I was running my water through, which I never, ever, ever do. I'm such a psycho about testing, but I didn't test this machine because the doctor was so qualified. So I just said, yeah, send me one.

I started drinking this water, two to four liters a day. And I started having symptoms of metal toxicity and lo and behold, I had heavy metal toxicity. And the same metals that were in this machine were in my blood, in my urine. But one of the ways that we found it, some of the testing that I did showed very scant levels. And then I did a chelation provocation, and boom.

What'd you use? DMSO or DMPS? DMPS, DMSO, EDTA? Yeah, EDTA. Yeah, okay, EDTA. Yes. And so we provoked it, you know, with a chelation, and then I did an eight hour urine afterwards,

and it was off the charts. And so I think these provocations sometimes are really good ways to say, because remember not everything is just floating around the blood waiting to be discovered, right? I mean, it leaves and enters the tissues, it hides, it goes into dorsal ganglions, it goes into fascia.

Yes, it's like we gotta kick the dust up at the contractions. Yeah, yeah, some of the metal tests now are, you know, lights through the palm of the hand, I forget what it's called, you know, but it's looking for the metals in the tissues, not in the blood. And I think this is another way

that these things evade capture, well, at least evade detection. Yes, you have to have an acute poisoning for a metal to show up in the blood. That's what conventional medicine needs to understand when they test for metals. So for me, once I get a positive on a Lyme test, depending on what test it is,

I then break the news to the person, they often think that they can't heal. They often think you can't put it in remission. Everybody thinks Lyme's permanent, but it's definitely not. Yeah, but it's not. It's not, 1,000%. And so, another thing I like to tell people is the German studies have now shown that you can get Lyme disease from mosquitoes.

Really, I need to look at that, because I've been saying for years. From larva to full mosquito, it can stay in mosquitoes. The German studies have proved it now. Okay, because I have often thought there's not just a tick-borne illness. That's right. No doubt. You can get it through childbirth,

you can get it through, they think it's sexually transmitted, just like syphilis, it's a cousin of syphilis actually. So there are a number of different ways. And I am of the belief that most people have been exposed to spheruketes. What is the difference between my body and your body and someone who has full-blown Lyme? A lot of it is the nervous system. A lot of it is their toxin bucket and their stress, right? So that's why I start there with them.

When that's taken care of, we don't need nearly as long. And most of the time, people's livers are stagnant, people's bile is stagnant, and they can't sweat when they're full of Lyme and metals. They're all jammed up and they can't release anything and they're just toxic. And so if I can rattle that body awake and put it back in homeostasis, sometimes that's the worst part for people in the very beginning, just to get them stable. Get them sweating again, get their liver working, get their bile working, get their lymph moving, and then bam, I'll give them something like biocidin,

something like para one or para two, something like parify, mix with fembendazole or ivermectin sometimes if they need it, and then wait an hour or so, take a binder, something like fulvic or humic acid, because you don't want to bind up any of the killing protocol, right, so you have to wait a little while. So take the fembendazole, put ivermectin,

allow it to work its way through the gut and then put the binder on it. I got you. Exactly. And then get in the sauna. And then we're gonna kick some dust up at the construction site. But guess what? Hopefully you have the binder in your system.

It's enough to mop up those things we're kicking up so you don't go to the brain to cause neuroinflammation and irritation. And then if you're pooping, your liver's working, and you're sweating, we're gonna get those right out of the body immediately. Yeah, and so the ivermectin and the phenbenzoyl, those are gonna irritate it.

For some people they can, right? Some people, I mean, you can give people sometimes any sort of supplement. I can give people GABA sometimes, and it turns to glutamate and makes them irritated or anxious, right? So any supplement cannot do what you think it's gonna do in someone's body when they're really toxic and their body's overall confused because there's

interleukins and TGF-beta and all these different chemical communicators that are pro-inflammatory that make the body confused and not work in a proper symphony as it's supposed to. So if you're doing the nervous system regulation, you're doing the detoxification, you're doing some of the binders, giving them support supplement-wise, what are some of the external modalities that you're a big fan of? I know you're a big fan of ozone.

But what mechanism for ozone? Like, HoCat? I do love HoCat. I love that, I love it. I have loved ozone saunas, I owned one. I own one. And I love that, you know? And not everyone can handle ozone, right?

You know, people will hurt from ozone because it's a killing protocol. So your drainage and your nervous system do need to be regulated before you go try an ozone IV unless you're doing EBU, which is extra blood, let's see, yeah, extra blood, corporeal, can you remember? Let's see.

Oxygen, ozone, oxygen, I don't. I call it EB02. Yeah, yeah, can you remember? Let's see. Oxygen, ozone, oxygen. Yeah, ozone, oxygenation. I call it EBO2. Yeah, yeah, there you go. But what it does is it filters everything first and then it runs ozone through everything, almost like dialysis with ozone through the whole body. And so people will handle that better

because of the filtering. I do love ozone when the time is ready. But in general, most of the time I'm calming people down. So I'm using calming medallions, Tai Chi and Qigong or something else I use for people sometimes just to feel their body and feel their energy. Right, no, so good. And then I use a lot of things you do too, Gary.

Yeah. A lot. Okay, good. The same bio hacks you do, for sure. I'm vindicated. That makes me feel good. I mean, I've done EBO too. I did three sessions when I found out about the medals. What was really interesting is,

the collection container, I was talking to the clinic and I was like, can you send that to the lab? I wanna see what's in it because ideally, I'd love to see that full of toxins and mold metals and everything else. And they said, well, it's thousands of dollars to get it tested.

And I was like, just send it to the lab as urine. Just know, just as urine. So of course, we sent it as urine, then it comes back to them and kidney failure because my blood urine, I ignored that part. But, but what was in there, I should actually, I don't mind sharing my test. What came out glyphosates, bisphenols, aflatoxin A, aflatoxin B, microplastics, I mean, everything that that filter works because it was able to filter those things out, put them in the collection container, and then it does lower dose ozone, but it's certainly, I think it's only four gamma or something, four or five gamma. Yeah. Whereas an ozone IV will do 65 gamma, but it's low gamma and then it runs into the light

filter. I felt amazing by my third one. Yeah, I just think you have to watch the sugars, you know, because ozone has a mechanism, I'm not sure what it is, but it really pulls the glucose out of the blood and dumps it into the cell. Yeah. Yeah. And so your blood sugar lowers. Mine went from like 130 to in the high 70s. Vitamin C will do that too.

Yeah. It will do that as well. Yeah, that's where I run those supersol. You know about Inuforesis? So this is a filtering of the entire serum. They do it in Germany, clinics in Germany and Switzerland where they do biological medicine. Is that total plasma exchange? Yes. Oh, okay, yeah, I've done GBE. You have done it. Yeah, there in Germany and Switzerland where they do biological medicine. Is that total plasma exchange?

Yes. Oh, okay, yeah, I've done DBE. You have done it, okay. Yeah, there's a clinic here called Next Health. I didn't think, I knew for Asis, I didn't think they had anything, maybe it's a little different. I didn't think they had anything in the US yet.

Maybe it's not the same. There's a clinic in Sarasota getting it. Is there? Yes. Okay, yeah, this is, you know, they took two liters of plasma out and then replaced it with sterile albumin. So the exchange of the plasma for albumin.

And I did it right, I did it in LA and then I had like a 16 hour flight to Dubai, thankfully, because I was very tired. But then the next day, boom, I mean, like I was so, I got off that plane and I was wide awake. I was ready to to solve global peace. That's my next biohack I'm doing for sure. For sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah, yeah, the total plasma exchange.

Yeah, so back to the Lyme patients really quick. My trademark protocol is Kill, Bind, Sweat. It sounds like I'm an S&M doctor. Kill, Bind, Sweat. It went viral online because people were like, what the heck is that? But really that's taking herbal antimicrobial that I was talking about, waiting an hour, taking a binder and then getting in a sauna because you can sweat out microplastics,

you can sweat out BPA, you can sweat out a lot of these mycotoxins, you can sweat out a lot of manmade industrial toxins in general. Yeah, I think, I mean, look, the jury's in on sauna. I mean, there's no question. I mean, as a standalone modality, I don't know that there's anything

that has as much data behind it as dry sauna for all cause mortality, for reducing toxic load. I mean, there's, so I'm in there every day. There's actually a small study. It's very small, but it says that you can sweat out certain metals, specifically cadmium. Get this iron, what? Or sorry, the lead, cadmium, lead,

which we thought stored in the bones, it doesn't, you can sweat it out according to the study in mercury. So. That is amazing. Dr. Petrus, this, I feel like I could just talk to you all day, I'm definitely gonna have you back on. I would love, yeah.

This is amazing. So I wanna take a few minutes and go into a private room with my VIP community. These are the folks that I'm the most intentional with. I'm really trying to build a community. Wait, I wanna be in your VIP community. Well, you're about to go in there right now.

We're gonna go into the VIP community. If you're interested in becoming a VIP member, you can just go over to theultimatehuman.com and sign up to be a VIP member. This is the community I'm the most intentional in we do private podcasts in there. We do a lot of group Q&A's, you know, I have a few hours of Q&A's with this group I bring experts on like Dr. Petros, and we pick different topics and we isolate

you know, gut health or brain health or mold or mycotoxins or heavy metals or autoimmune and we pick different topics and we take deep dives. There's lots of resources in there so go over to the ultimatehuman.com and just sign up to be a VIP member. You'll see Dr. Jessica Petros in there in a few minutes. But I wind down all of my podcasts by asking every guest the same question. So there's no right or wrong answer to this question. And it is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? I love that.

It's almost like the ultimate human is the ultimate pinnacle of wellness. So what is wellness to me? Wellness is the absence of disease and you're full of vitality and energy and happiness and satisfaction with your choices in your life. And the ultimate human, it's mental, it's emotional, and it's physical well-being.

And in all those areas, in that wellness will, you are satisfied and feel full. To me, that is being the ultimate human, because in this human experience, we all have failures, we all make mistakes, we're not perfect. And so how can we grow through that to become a better person and the full potential of ourselves, that's the ultimate human.

That's amazing, I mean I truly believe God meant for us to thrive, right? He wanted us to thrive, so that's an amazing answer. Dr. Petros, thank you so much, thank you for coming on to The Ultimate Human. You're super welcome, so we'll head into the VIP group and until next time guys, that's just science.