The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary

Starting point is 00:00:00 The food that we're eating is not food anymore. It's a food like substance that was manufactured or created in laboratories. And it is not nutrient dense. It's nutrient anemic. And you're not releasing any GLP one. You're not getting any satiation. You're not nutrient dense. Your body's not saying, hey, I'm full. I'm satiated. I should stop eating. The tobacco companies, they would mimic the taste of things that are very appetizing. They would do it with chemical compounds

Starting point is 00:00:25 and they switched to doing that for food and they started developing all of these chemicals that hijack your brain and trick your body. Well, we have an agency that stands between us and those people, so those things would never make it into the food supply. The FDA was no longer serving the public interest or public health.

Starting point is 00:00:43 It had ceased being a public health agency. That's the difficult part for an agency like yours to get into the private sector. First of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer. And they advertise all these drugs on television. The person who's going to get the bill from that drug is my agency. There's so much going on in the media and then this Make America Healthy Again movement, what they can expect to see from a public policy perspective.

Starting point is 00:01:10 Chronic disease is the destination of most federal expenditures in terms of health care. The etiology ultimately of all that disease is... is. This is my favorite guest or I'm really excited to have this guest on. But this particular guest has a very special place in my heart and he's going to have a very special place in your heart too because of the level of conviction that this man has to make an impact on humanity. And by that I mean, I don't care what side of the political aisle you're on. We all should be on the side of the future of our children. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is someone I've looked up to for a long time since I really understood his mission. And when you look at the broken health care system in America, we spend four and

Starting point is 00:02:17 a half trillion dollars a year on health care. We lead the world in six major categories, infant mortality, maternal mortality, morbid obesity, type two diabetes, multiple chronic disease, and a single biome. And I don't think anyone, including myself, knows the exact reason why. It's so multifactorial. You know, why do we have the highest rates

Starting point is 00:02:38 of childhood cancer in recorded history? Why do we have such a parabolic explosion in autism, learning disorders, ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar, and why are these things affecting younger and younger ages? Why do we have metabolic syndrome, which was reserved for people in their 50s and their 60s, and even their 70s?

Starting point is 00:02:59 Why do we have it in our teenage population now? You know, I've raised four children, and I know many of you watching this are parents, and you have to have a concern. we'd have it in our teenage population now? You know, I've raised four children. And I know many of you watching this are parents, and you have to have a concern. What kind of environment? What kind of world is my child growing up in? What's going to happen to them when they get to the public school system? Not how are they educated, but how are they fed? How's their biome being cared for? What is their pediatrician doing every time that they put a vaccine on the schedule? Do they know the safety and efficacy of that?

Starting point is 00:03:26 And so today's podcast, I'm recording this intro after the podcast because I wanted to just tell you how impactful it was. How he was able to break down the corruption in our nutritional research and the corruption in our food supply. And the influence that Big food and big pharma has over our public policy, the policy that determines how your children are fed, how your children are taught, and what our healthcare system covers and doesn't cover. Why are we so pro-chemical,

Starting point is 00:03:58 synthetics and pharmaceuticals, and why have we gotten away from things like peptides and whole foods and exercise and vitamins and minerals and amino acids and nutrients. The thing that God gave us to make us thrive rather than the thing that man makes us to make us sick. And he did such a good job of describing the dependency that our sick care system has created.

Starting point is 00:04:25 You know, sadly, so many Americans, tens of millions of driving the dependency that our sick care system has created. You know, sadly, so many Americans, tens of millions of them are dependent on the system. We don't independently have our own healthcare choices because we walk down the aisles and the food that we're consuming is actually what's leading to the medication that's required to treat the conditions from this causal relationship

Starting point is 00:04:45 between food and chemicals and health. And so I really hope that you enjoy this podcast today. You know, Bobby came to my house to join me at the UFC fights and to talk about some of, you know, what we could do together to help make America healthy again. And I just grabbed them and brought them in the room and I sat them down for this podcast. And it was one of the most authentic, genuine podcasts I've ever done because I really felt the intention of this man. And I think you will too. And no matter what side of the aisle you're on,

Starting point is 00:05:14 I think you will draw some inspiration from this because we are about to have a healthier, happier, more thriving America. So without further ado, please welcome Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to the Ultimate Human Podcast. Hey guys Kennedy Jr. to the Ultimate Human Podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist, Gary Brekka,

Starting point is 00:05:30 where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today was a giant surprise. I spoke this morning at the Health Optimization Summit in Austin, Texas, boarded the plane, shot over to here to head to the UFC fights, and I'm joined by a very prominent figure in the space, the leader and head of the Maha movement,

Starting point is 00:05:53 none other than Mr. Bobby Kennedy Jr. himself. Thank you for coming on the podcast. I'm happy to be here with you finally. I'm happy to have you. We've had like a really kind of an amazing time so far, you know, with the hyperbaric chambers and we basically did some nutritional IVs. And then we just decided to come in the podcast room

Starting point is 00:06:13 and chop it up a little bit. So there's so much going on in the media and then this Make America Healthy Again movement in this space. I'd love for you to share with the audience what you are most excited about right now and what they can expect to see from a public policy perspective,

Starting point is 00:06:35 a legislative perspective, to show that real change is coming. Yeah, so President Trump and Amy is Secretary of Health and Human Services. Yes. Congratulations, by the way. The biggest agency of government. It's twice the size of the Pentagon. It's got a $1.9 trillion budget.

Starting point is 00:06:53 Wow. And you know, the irony of that is we spend more on healthcare in this country than any other country in the world per capita, two to three times what most European countries spend, and yet we have the worst health of any country in the world. We have the highest chronic disease burden on earth.

Starting point is 00:07:09 And that, as you know, bleeds over into infectious disease, which has been really, infectious disease has been the focus of most federal expenditures in terms of research. Chronic disease is the destination of most federal expenditures in terms of healthcare. We have a sick care system in our country, and the etiology ultimately of all that disease

Starting point is 00:07:39 is corruption. And it's the capture of these agencies, the industries they're supposed to regulate. Those industries, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical cartel have transformed NIH, CDC, FDA, and ultimately CMNH as which administers in Medicare into essentially sock puppets for the industry and profit centers.

Starting point is 00:08:03 And they've commoditized the American public and turned us all into patients. Yeah, profitable patients. Yeah, it's been very profitable for them. When my uncle was president, I was a 10-year-old boy and you know, during that era, we spent zero on chronic disease at that time in history. There really were no cure.

Starting point is 00:08:23 The first treatment for chronic disease was, ironically, it was the pill. It was the first time you took a pill regularly. Well, the first treatment for chronic disease was the pill, what pill? Well, yeah, it was the first kind of long-term treatment that you took over a prolonged period of time. And we spent, when my uncle was president,

Starting point is 00:08:44 we spent zero on chronic disease in this country. Today we spend, today it's one point, probably one point six or seven trillion dollars a year. It's about 90% of our healthcare budget. And we are, we have the highest chronic disease burden of any country in the world. When it comes to snacking, Masa is flipping the script

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Starting point is 00:09:53 Grab a bag and I promise you'll feel the difference. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. During COVID, we have the highest death rate of any country in the world. So we had- That is astounding, we had 16% of the COVID deaths and we only have 4.2% of the world's population. We literally had the worst record of any country in the world.

Starting point is 00:10:14 And it's a wonder that people are getting awards and recognition and kudos for managing COVID. Whatever we were doing, it was utterly wrong. And if you ask CDC, you know, why did we die at higher rates? And we died at rates that were, in some cases, like Haiti had a death rate. Haiti, if you remember at the beginning of the pandemic,

Starting point is 00:10:35 we were told the poor countries of Africa are gonna be devastated by this because they can't get ahold of the vaccines. I mean, Haiti is the poorest country in the hemisphere. It had a 1.3% vaccination rates. Virtually nobody got a vaccine. Right. They had a COVID rate of 14 deaths per million population.

Starting point is 00:10:54 We had a death rate of 3,000 per million population. American blacks had a death rate of probably 3,600 per million population. That is incredible. We had 200 times death rate of Haiti. We had 200 times death rate of Haiti. We had 200 times death rate of Nigeria, which had a 1.4% vaccination rate. Oh, and there's other reasons for that.

Starting point is 00:11:14 Those are younger populations which were less affected by COVID deaths. They're out in the sun more and they've got a lot of other advantages in that situation. But there's something wrong with our country. Africa's a whole at about 360. There were high morbidity death, tied to deficiencies in vitamin D3.

Starting point is 00:11:34 It was one of the most definitely- There was a direct inverse correlation between vitamin D saturation and COVID. COVID mortality. So, I mean, and we're the only country in the world that has, and in history of the world, where obesity is also correlated with malnutrition. So we have, you know, because the food that we're eating

Starting point is 00:11:56 is not food anymore, it's a food like substance and a lot of it was manufactured or created in laboratories and that no longer, it is not nutrient dense, it's nutrient anemic. And you know, I watched this happen because I was part of the tobacco litigation back in the late 1980s. And the tobacco companies at that point

Starting point is 00:12:24 were the most cash rich country companies in the 1980s, and the tobacco companies at that point were the most cash rich country companies in the world. They were the richest in terms of their cash resources. It was an immensely profitable industry, and the litigation and the advertising that began taking place at that time. What time frame is this? This was the late 80s, early 90s. So the tobacco industry saw that the writing was on the wall.

Starting point is 00:12:48 That they were facing regulatory headwinds. That their consumers were sloughing off. And they began to diversify. And they diversified into the food industry. So by the mid 90s, the two biggest food companies in the world were R.J. Reynolds and Philip Morris. That is astounding. Tobacco companies. And they took thousands of scientists that were involved, whose job it was to figure out ways to make tobacco more addictive and more attractive and they switched to doing that for food. And they started developing all of these chemicals that, that hijack your brain and trick your body.

Starting point is 00:13:31 Well, they would mimic the, the taste of things that are very appetizing and they would do it with chemical compounds. Intentionally, intentionally to attract your taste buds to, uh, to, to, you know, to make them palatable and appetizing and attractive. And your body eats those things, but you know, so there's a strawberry flavor, but there's no nutrition in it. There's no strawberry.

Starting point is 00:13:59 And your body thinks, oh, I'm eating a strawberry. I'm craving a strawberry, but you're eating it and you're not getting any nutrients. And you're not releasing any GLP-1, you're not getting any satiation. You're not nutrient dense, so your body's not saying, hey, I'm full, I'm satiated, I should stop eating. You're eating, it's chemicals,

Starting point is 00:14:16 so there's no nutrients in it. And so your body is getting starved and at the same time you're getting fat because you're never satisfied. Your body knows it's not being fed. And they started putting stuff in food to make it more addictive, like the sodiums and sugars. And they also put stuff in food that deliberately tricked your brain into

Starting point is 00:14:42 thinking that your stomach wasn't full. So one of the things they figured out was that your brain actually gauges the fullness of your belly. I, by counting the number of times you chewed, so there's a, there's, there's some part of your brain that is saying, okay, if he chewed a certain amount, he must be full. And so they started putting food softeners into the food. Wow.

Starting point is 00:15:08 Make it so that you had to chew less. If you eat a Twinkie, you don't even have to chew it. You can inhale it. Right. Wow, it's so insane to think that it's that sinister. And I think the sad thing, and I don't mean to derail you, is that it's one thing to concoct this whole,

Starting point is 00:15:26 contrive this whole mechanism of creating toxicity and chemicals to mimic flavorings, to circumvent satiety and whatnot. But I think where it goes lost in the public is, they go, well, we have an agency that stands between us and those people, so those things would never make it into the food supply. And I, you know, my uncle Ted Kennedy conducted earrings in 1970 about agency captured FDA.

Starting point is 00:15:54 And at that time, and the conclusion that hearing is that the FDA was no longer serving the public interest, it was, or public health, it had ceased being a public health agency. or public health, it had ceased being a public health agency. It was now an agency whose primary focus was maximizing corporate profit taking. And I can point to 100 of those examples of agency capture, but probably the one most familiar to the American public, because there was two big Netflix documentaries on it.

Starting point is 00:16:26 One of them called Dope Sick was the opioid epidemic, where people from the Sackler family that owned Purdue Pharmaceuticals captured a FDA official and persuaded him to eliminate the warnings about the addiction and to say that oxycodone on the manufactured insert was not addictive. Wow. And you could argue that as a direct result of that,

Starting point is 00:16:56 a million young Americans die. We're losing over 100,000 young people every year from drug overdoses. And to put that in perspective, during the 20 year Vietnam War, we lost 56,000 American kids. We're losing double that number every year from opioid addiction and overdoses.

Starting point is 00:17:15 That's insane. And that is a direct result of agency capture and agency corruption. And what we're trying to do now at the agency, which we're doing, is we brought in extraordinary leaders who are now going to do, make sure that we do good science, gold standard science, which was what those agencies used to do and that we're going to purge the entire agency of conflicts of interest.

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Starting point is 00:18:29 Now let's get back to the ULTIMATE Human Podcast. That is massive though. I mean, with a budget that size, with that voluminous amount of a payroll without amount of entrenchment, right? I mean, I've got to think that a lot of these people are not going without an atom bomb. Yeah, well, that's where Doge came in, really,

Starting point is 00:18:48 is that we offered, initially, we offered a buyout for anybody who wanted to leave, and we made clear that people should leave if they didn't share this new mission. And we got, a lot of people left the agency, and then we came back, and there's tremendous duplication in the agency, there's tremendous redundancies. We had 100 comms departments.

Starting point is 00:19:14 We have 40 IT departments, 40 procurement departments, and on and on. And so we were reorganizing the agency to consolidate those things. One, to eliminate redundancy and streamline the agency. Most importantly, to redirect and recalibrate its course so that everybody there knows that every day, if you want your job, you gotta wake up in the morning

Starting point is 00:19:43 and be thinking, how am I going to end the chronic disease epidemic today? Yeah. And so everybody's gonna be clear on that mission. And, you know, we think that we're going to make a huge difference in the first year, but over four years we'll be able to correct the course. God bless you, man. And God bless that mission,

Starting point is 00:20:01 because I think when you become a purpose-driven agency and not a profit-protecting agency, and I know that these government agencies are not driven for profit per se, but a lot of these officials move from the public sector into the private sector. It's obvious once you start to peel back the layers of the onion,

Starting point is 00:20:21 that if you're a regulator and your responsibility is enforcement of a private industry, that you have a known job offer in where you can move from being a government official that's going to make a few hundred thousand dollars a year into private industry where you're going to make a few million dollars a year. It's hard to not point to that as a conflict of interest. And seven of the eight recent FDA commissioners

Starting point is 00:20:46 have immediately gone to work for industry. The CDC, the longest-reigning recent CDC director, Julie Gerberding, who dramatically increased the vaccine schedule and added billions of dollars a year in revenue to Merck, went over to become the president or the vice president of Merck. That is astounding. And that's typical.

Starting point is 00:21:10 You see lower level division and branch chiefs in the agency. Also, you know, they, sort of the common course is that they work at the agency until their pension's vest, and then they move on to industry. So the last three or four years that they're at the agency until their pension's best. And then they move on to industry. So the last three or four years that they're at the agency, they're doing a lot of favors for industry. They're letting a lot of things go by.

Starting point is 00:21:34 Because they're about to make that move. And they want a soft landing at one of these companies. And their example then drives the, it infiltrates all the lower strata of the agency, because they see the boss doing this and they think this is the way that it's done. And you get punished for not going along. But there's a hundred other mechanisms for agency capture

Starting point is 00:21:55 and those come from appropriations through the Congress. It comes from reactions to the press. All the major institutions of our society have been captured by the industry. The press now gets, you know, the mainstream television networks. And some, Roger Ailes told me one time that 75% of his advertising revenues

Starting point is 00:22:18 on the evening news divisions were pharmaceutical ads. I believe that just by observation, you know, just as a consumer. I mean, you can watch it. It brought to you by observation, you know, just as a consumer. I mean, you can watch, it brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Pfizer. If you eliminate Big Food and Pharma from, I mean, just, you know, if you watch the Super Bowl ads.

Starting point is 00:22:33 They all be bankrupt. Yeah. So, you know, those companies are doing that partially because the evening news is very attractive to drug companies because young people don't watch news. It's all older people and those are their customers. They're people who are taking all this whole arsenal,

Starting point is 00:22:52 this battery of drugs, but they also do it to control content. That's why you see defense contractors advertising on Good Morning America. Nobody is gonna buy a Tomahawk Miss on who's watching Good Morning America. They advertise because they wanna control the content. If you look at Anderson Cooper or any of these,

Starting point is 00:23:19 or Lester Holt or Jake Tapper, their salaries, their paycheck is being paid by the network. But their salaries are actually coming from pharmaceutical companies and they know that. And they know that they can't, that they gotta toe the line and they gotta say, frighten us all about infectious disease. They gotta make us all do the, you know, comply with the pharmaceutical mandates

Starting point is 00:23:48 and they're not giving us the real news. They're not asking the questions that they ought to be asking. There's no skepticism. And if you look at these news shows, like the 60 Minutes or even Anderson, or Sanjay Gupta, 20 years ago, they were saying, yeah, there's problems with this, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:05 with vaccines or these other drugs. Right. They will never do that today. You know, that to me seems like, that's the difficult part for an agency like yours to get into the private sector and effectuate the private sector that way, unless of course there was some kind of executive order

Starting point is 00:24:21 that disallowed from advertising directly to the consumer. Yeah, and we're working on that. Which do you see a day where that could be a possibility? There's a bad Supreme Court case recently that equated pharmaceutical advertising with freedom of speech and gave it endowed with a limited First Amendment protection. There's still things that we can do

Starting point is 00:24:40 and we're working on that. So we think that we're gonna be able to do something, but I'm not gonna talk more about that. And the issue here that people understand, because a lot of the people who support us are for freedom of speech. They're, you know, absolutely, but this is a very different issue

Starting point is 00:24:57 because first of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer. And they advertise all these drugs on television, a person who's going to get the bill from that drug is my agency and the taxpayer is going to end up paying for it. If you're selling cereal or coke or something that might not be so good for you, at least you know the consumer is paying for that themselves, except that they're getting it from the SNAP program, and we're gonna end that. Yeah, I heard 25 states now have that.

Starting point is 00:25:29 Yeah, have legislation to get sodas off of SNAP, and some of them are looking at candy and other stuff. Yeah, 10 billion dollars, I heard, of the 120 billion roughly of the SNAP program. Yeah, so it's a huge reference to these companies, and listen, if you wanna buy a Coke, you should be able to for these companies. And you know, I listen, if you want to buy a Coke, you should be able to do it. You're in America, you can do what you want.

Starting point is 00:25:49 The taxpayers should not be paying for it. This is a nutrition program. And when 10% of the money is going for something that has no nutrients in it, it's not a good outcome. The other thing about pharmaceutical ads is the company gets a tax deduction on them. We're paying for the ads and we're paying for the product. Right. Most people don't realize this, but your energy, mental clarity, and even your sleep, they're all impacted by toxins.

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Starting point is 00:27:09 Your body was built to heal. So let's help it do what it was designed to do. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. And so, you know. When you think about that, it's just, it's mind numbing. We're paying for the ads and we're paying from the product. Just like you said, my agency gets the bill. And we're paying for all the diseases Just like you said, my agency gets the bill.

Starting point is 00:27:25 And we're paying for all the diseases that that product is causing. And so it's different than any other kind of product and it's regulated differently. And those regulations, a drug company does not have cart flash from FAA to advertise any product it wants. And there are conditions that we can place on it.

Starting point is 00:27:47 And those are some of the things that we're looking at. Yeah, it's fantastic. I mean, it's probably safe to say that your popularity amongst those, some of those agencies has dropped. Do you? Well, I have never been popular with those agencies. I mean, the agencies used to do a good job. When I was a kid, you know, The government popular with those agencies. I mean, the agencies used to do a good job.

Starting point is 00:28:05 When I was a kid, NIH was the gold standard science agency in the world. The FDA was the gold standard regulator. In fact, there were a lot of, at that time, in the early 60s, there were a lot of countries, particularly in Africa, that were getting their freedom for the first time from colonial rule, and they were writing constitutions,, none of them could afford to

Starting point is 00:28:28 have their own regulators, their health regulators or research institutions. And so a lot of them said in their constitution, if FDA says it's okay, then it's okay in our country as well. So there was this broad faith in American science and a rep and American regulatory integrity at that point around the world. I agree. And no longer exists.

Starting point is 00:28:49 People now are very skeptical of our science and our regulatory agencies. And what we wanna do over the next four years is restore global faith in American regulatory integrity. And do you do that by, I mean, to really address the corruption in nutritional research, do you do that by, I mean, to really address the corruption in nutritional research, do you do that by actually having

Starting point is 00:29:06 taxpayer-funded independent research that is what is influencing public policy and disallow the private sector from funding nutritional research, especially, that would actually have an impact on public policy? Yeah, I mean, there's two things. One is that NIH science, NIH has $46 billion that it allocates to science every year.

Starting point is 00:29:28 And it does that through a grant system that gives grants to 56,000 researchers all around the world, mostly in the United States and a lot in Canada as well. And unfortunately, that system has been corrupted through a number of different factors so that people who get the money tend to be people who have been approved by the industry

Starting point is 00:29:50 through a variety of leavers. And they are part of an old boys' network that knows what they can say and what they can't say and what they can research and what they can't, and they're not gonna research anything that with the results may diminish corporate profits. The other thing is there's no replication. So there's a huge incentive to cheat on your science.

Starting point is 00:30:14 So if you go to your funder with a hypothesis and say, this is what I believe, here's how I'm gonna prove it, and it's gonna be an important decision, and then the science does not confirm that hypothesis. That's science. Yes, yeah. When the hypothesis.

Starting point is 00:30:30 Doesn't always work in your favor. When it's a null hypothesis, that's science and it ought to be published. And it doesn't get published. Because it's private funded, we can say if it doesn't go my favor, I'm not gonna alter it, I'm just not gonna publish it.

Starting point is 00:30:41 We'll redo the study. We'll change the. But the private funding is coming from industry. So they cheat. I mean, we call those guys biostitutes. Because they know what the outcome is and they write the outcome before they write the study. In many cases.

Starting point is 00:30:57 But that also happens in the public sphere. And so what we're going to do, and it happens because they know there's going to be no replication. A lot of times the data sets are private. You know, you buy United healthcare data sets, they're only selling to you. So you can't publish them. And so there's no replication. And if you know there's going to be no effort to replicating your study,

Starting point is 00:31:19 you have a huge incentive. No question. And so what we're going to do is we're going gonna devote probably 20% of NIH's budget to replication. Every study has to be replicated. We're gonna publish the peer review for the first time. We're probably gonna stop publishing in the, in Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA, and those other journals because they're all corrupt.

Starting point is 00:31:40 And even the heads of those journals, like Marsh Angle, who for 20 years was head of the New England Journal of Medicine, says that we no longer are a science journal, we are a vessel for pharmaceutical propaganda. No kidding. Because they control the journals, they buy the preprints, right, which is, and they find out, if you want to publish in a journal,

Starting point is 00:32:03 you have to pay $10,000 to get the study published. So the pharmaceutical company concocts a study that shows the outcome that they want, that statins work or that SSRIs work, you know, and then they'll publish that, they pay to get that published. And they order reprints from the journal. The reprints, as you know, are a five or six page document

Starting point is 00:32:27 that has the logo of the journal on it. They sell them for enormous profits, and then they give them to the pharmaceutical reps. Hot looking girls and hot looking guys who go to the doctor's office, take them out to lunch, give them the preprint to say this product works. If you know, why don't you prescribe it 500 times during the next month and then I'll be back

Starting point is 00:32:50 here to see you. Right. With all these kinds of implied promises of what's going to happen. And that's how this system works. That is just sounding. And so what we're going to do is change the system and say, you can't, you know, Richard Horton, who was the head of, of the Lancet, who really disgraced himself during COVID with't, you know, Richard Horton, who was the head of the Lancet, who really disgraced himself during COVID with the, you know, the Lancet letter and all this.

Starting point is 00:33:10 I remember. But he says the same thing. He says, yeah, we're not, we are no longer science journals. We are about promoting pharmaceutical products. And that's what we do. So unless these journals change dramatically, we are gonna stop NIH scientists from publishing there and we're gonna create our own journals in health

Starting point is 00:33:31 in each of the institutes. And they will become the preeminent journals because. And they're gonna become the preeminent journals. Because if you get NIH funding, it is anointing you as a good, legitimate scientist. I love that, that now our public policy research institutions can actually be the hallmarks of properly conducted research

Starting point is 00:33:50 and a place that we can actually rely on information. There is nothing I hate more than having to divert this podcast. I know we've got a UFC fight that we're going to. First of all, this was totally spontaneous. You know, you came to my house today before the fights and we had some fun biohacking with you and your family. And you know, by the grace of God,

Starting point is 00:34:12 you agreed to come in and sit down with me for a few minutes. And I know that my audience in the market really appreciates it, but Robert Kennedy, you are doing God's work. And there are a lot of people in this country that are praying for you and for your success and praying for you to stay strong and stay on your purpose and your passion and your mission.

Starting point is 00:34:32 I was particularly touched by your testimony to Congress when you were going through your hearings. And one of the comments that you made, which I think just exacerbated your conviction to helping heal America was how you woke up every morning and you dropped your knees and you prayed for the opportunity that God would give you to be in the position that you're in now.

Starting point is 00:34:57 Now here you are. And it's a great honor to just sit across from you and have gotten a moment to ask you a few questions. I know that my industry, myself, my platform, all of the like-minded influencers and virtually everyone that I talk to in this country is behind you. So over the last 20 years in human biology, one compound I've trusted again and again is NAD+. It's critical for energy, focus, and cellular repair, but your levels drop around age 30. I used to administer NAD+. It's critical for energy, focus, and cellular repair, but your levels drop around age 30.

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Starting point is 00:36:08 we're on the STEM cells, the warm, I'm a key lating drugs, the war on peptides, the war on, uh, uh, anything that,

Starting point is 00:36:15 you know, it is not going to make music to my ears. I told you one vitamins, yeah. Vitamins, minerals, amino acids, nutrients,

Starting point is 00:36:23 yeah. Peptides. I mean, these things that can heal humanity. Our position is that FDA has a job just to do the science on these kind of issues and then tell the public what they've learned from the science, but not tell people

Starting point is 00:36:36 and not tell physicians what they cannot prescribe. Yes. And that if you want to take an experimental drug that you can do that, you ought to be able to do that. You shouldn't have to go to Antigua to get stem cells, which I had to do for my throat. Right. And they helped me enormously. Why did I have to go to Antigua for that? You know, we don't want to have the wild west.

Starting point is 00:37:00 We want to make sure that information is out there, but we also want to respect the intelligence of the American people, you know, the, the capacity of people who explore the outcomes that are going to benefit them the most. And of course you're going to get a lot of charlatans and you're going to get, you know, people who get, um, who have bad results, but ultimately you can't prevent that either way. And leaving the whole thing in the hands of pharma

Starting point is 00:37:29 is not working for us. Peter Gosha, who was one of the founders of the Cochrane Collaboration, one of the great scientists in the world, and he just did a study recently that showed that the third largest cause of death in this country after heart attacks and cancer are pharmaceutical drugs. Wow, yeah, modern era, medical era.

Starting point is 00:37:49 So for people to say, oh, we have to be very careful about nutrients and vitamins. It's a sounding to me. And that people may misuse them or stem cells or hyperbaric chambers. For people to, it's not the government's purview to tell people they cannot have access to those things

Starting point is 00:38:07 because what they're giving us access in the narrow range of drugs that they want to, products that they want to restrict us to are not making us healthier. We ought to rely on democracy and the good sense of the American people and the drive that we all have to take care of ourselves and God's gift to us of a healthy body that has its own set of defenses that we need

Starting point is 00:38:29 to respect. We had a great conversation about this today, you know, about the greatest pharmacy, you know, in the world is right here and the power that this has over this. Bobby, Kenny, I hope you'll come back and we can continue to, to chop this up when we have some more time. I know we're, we're heading out to the fights right now and Trump's messing up our whole evening because they're closing the roads on us

Starting point is 00:38:49 right before the UFC fights in Miami tonight. But God bless you. Thank you for coming on The Ultimate Human Podcast. Gary, thanks for having me. You're very welcome. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? I mean, I think for all of us, it means to live up to our potential,

Starting point is 00:39:02 the potential that God gave us. And I've said this a number of times that a healthy person has a thousand dreams, a sick person only has one. And right now, 60% of the people in this country have only a single dream. And none of us, our country cannot achieve its promises and exemplary nation

Starting point is 00:39:24 and the promise of giving everybody who lands here the American dream the potential to fulfill their own potential if they're all sick all the time. So I think what you know we need to do is to is to dial back have a healthy population and that let people make up their own choices about how they want to run their lives. Yeah. Well, God bless you.

Starting point is 00:39:48 There you have it. That's the definition of the ultimate human. Till next time, that's just science.

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