The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 185. Dr. Christina Rahm: How to Detox Your Body from Lyme Disease & Heavy Metals Naturally

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Many traditional doctors completely miss the connection between Lyme disease and your body’s detoxification pathways and it’s costing people decades of unnecessary suffering. After sitting down for 90 minutes with Dr. Christina Rahm, who beat Lyme at 19 using detox protocols, here’s what blew my mind: Lyme isn’t just about spiral bacteria hiding in your tissues. The solution isn’t more antibiotics; it’s supporting your body’s natural ability to eliminate the cellular trash that’s jamming up your biological machinery. Join the Ultimate Human VIP community and gain exclusive access to Gary Brecka's proven wellness protocols today!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Dr. Christina Rahm: Get Dr. Christina Rahm’s book, “Cure the Causes: Live the Life You Want, Not the One Prescribed“ here: http://bit.ly/44HNz3E   Listen to "The Dr. Rahm Show" on all your favorite platforms! YouTube: http://bit.ly/4f6mhrg Spotify: http://bit.ly/44Kbqje Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/4nZnJQ9   Connect with Dr. Christina Rahm: Website: http://bit.ly/44WKxaB YouTube: http://bit.ly/4eW7eQA Instagram: http://bit.ly/46lLLOR TikTok: http://bit.ly/3UlNLPM Facebook: http://bit.ly/4kO1B8k X.com: http://bit.ly/4kLROQf LinkedIn: http://bit.ly/4kRxm0C Thank you to our partners: H2TABS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - USE CODE "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E COLD LIFE - THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y VANDY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/49Qr7WE AION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD A GAME - USE CODE “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo CARAWAY - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC HEALF - GET 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S BIOPTIMIZERS - USE CODE “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4inFfd7 RHO NUTRITION - USE CODE “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 GENETIC TEST: ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 Watch  the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka: Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:38 Journey with Lyme Disease 07:42 What is Immuno Fatigue?  14:21 Overcoming Lyme Disease 23:58 Fungal and Bacterial Component from Lyme Disease 30:59 Self-Treatment from Lyme Disease 34:57 Zeolite Definition and Benefits 41:18 Types of Zeolite Products 46:12 Testing and Biomarkers for Metals, Lyme 57:54 P450 System Definition and Biomarkers 1:03:29 Starting a Detoxification Journey 1:10:00 Getting Emotional and Spiritual Toxins Out of Your Life 1:16:44 What is String Theory? 1:18:52 Treatment Regimens for Children 1:24:15 What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?” 1:25:00 Connect with Dr. Rahm The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The Content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I get Lyme disease and that was really life-altering for me. And I hear doctors not believing it. If someone doesn't believe them when they have a diagnosis, it's tough. I completely lost my memory. That is one of the cardinal hallmark signs of Lyme disease. It's just this crushing brain fog. I almost died in the ICU. They couldn't figure it out.

They threw everything at me. I was miserable. You can test for Lyme, even if you know what you're testing for, and it looks like it's remissive, and then all of a sudden it comes out of dormancy like a neuroinflammatory condition than a virus. Lyme disease is a precursor to other things, which is why doing the type of wellness prevention that you're talking about on your show is so important because you're trying to keep

detoxing. If you don't continuously do this, then you're letting those illnesses take over. Things like Lyme disease especially just distract just distract the immune system. And we know that the immune system protects us from the outside world, but we also don't realize the role that it has in just policing ourselves. Your body can only handle so many things. So what are we going to do to change that? How do we detox people while we're also providing what they need for their body. If somebody wants to begin a detoxification journey, where does that journey start? Starting a detoxification journey. I think it's really important. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast.

I'm your host, human biologist, Gary Brekka, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today's guest is a phenomenal guest. I mean, her credentials, you just heard about them, are incredible. She is all over the world.

She's so well traveled. She's so well versed. We are gonna get into the nitty gritty on detoxification, on bio optimization. She wants the message that we're doing here to optimize health in the United States to spread to the rest of the world. So welcome to the podcast, Dr. Ram.

Thank you, Gary Brekka. It's an honor to be here, thank you. Yeah, Dr. Ram, I don't know if you've blown up recently or if you've just kind of blown up for a long time, but I see your stuff a lot now on social media and I really, I love your message for women, I love your message for getting to root causes, you know, for detoxification. You know, I commonly talk about how, you know,

some of the most impactful people ever on my podcast are people that have solved different problems in their life. And you certainly haven't had, you know, your shortage of challenges and health challenges. You battled and beat a cancer diagnosis, you know, Lyme infection. I think that these are things that very often make people feel hopeless. And, you know, I wonder, you know, I have a detox challenge coming up,

so I'm way down the rabbit hole of all of the invaders that are in our bodies that very often just evade conventional medicine, but they cause these low grade chronic infections and low grade chronic conditions that people just can't seem to figure out. And I wonder if you might talk a little bit about your battle with Lyme,

how it shaped where you are today, what you did to overcome it. And for people who think they might have one of these conditions, I'd love to go down the rabbit hole of how we diagnose, how we treat, how we support the body's capacity to address these root causes. Absolutely. Well, first of all, you have a lot of the solutions already, but I can kind of summarize some of them together. But you have a lot of them right

here you know and that you're talking about that can really help people but yeah that was a challenge for me. I was really young. I had I say this all the time I used to be a lot of fun. I was like I still think you're fun. I mean we had a great conversation before we came in here. I was in college. I used to be really fun. I was really fun. I was. I've never heard somebody self deprecate like that. Well, I'm serious. I lived in.

Yeah, I'm just a boring old turd. You know? That's how I feel. I'm like now all I do is work. But back then I was in Mobile, Alabama. I was traveling in North Carolina. You know how when you're younger, you're traveling everywhere with your friends,

you're going out. I get Lyme's disease and that was really life-altering for me. And that's why when I hear people talk about Lyme's disease and that was really life altering for me and that's why when I hear people talk about Lyme's disease and I hear doctors not believing it, I'm like, you don't understand that simple diagnosis. Like I completely lost my memory. I didn't know, I grew up in a small town called Dexter, Missouri, I didn't know my parents' name

or where I was from and it was- How old were you? 19. 19, well see and at that time, I mean, there wasn't a lot of options. That was five years ago, Gary. Oh, that was five years ago. Wow.

I'm sorry, I'm teasing, no, I'm teasing. No, I'm teasing with you. No, that was- We need to get you in the hyperbaric. That was years ago. And so back then there weren't a lot of options. They didn't, do you remember? I mean, you probably, they didn't know what to do and people didn't even believe in the

diagnosis. And then for me, they tried IV rocifin and a type of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy. Yeah. I had 105 temperature, ended up in the hospital and almost died in the ICU. And my sorority sister took care of me. I was in North Carolina working at Ridgecrest Baptist Conference Center. Cause they were just throwing whatever they could at it. They couldn't figure it out. Not knowing what was going on.

No, and so I lost my eyelashes. I lost, my hair grew back curlier after that. I lost a lot of my hair. It was really tough because, and just for all your listeners, that's when they feel like if someone doesn't believe them when they have a diagnosis, it's tough. Right?

Cause like, for me, all I wanted to do was go out with my boyfriend and play baseball in college and have fun. I didn't want to worry about it, but it was, and I was on prednisone and methotrexate. So you know how bad those are. Oh yeah, it gives you MTHFR and all kinds of issues. It was so many issues that really, I feel like,

and I loved talking to you earlier because of your background. I, you know, and I loved talking to you earlier because of your background, you know, because I review medical data. That's one of the things I've done in my career. And I really think that Lyme disease is a precursor to other things. Oh, there's no question. I mean, it's one, I mean, anything that really

down-regulates the immune system or causes the immune system to, and Lyme is especially tricky. It hides in the dorsal root ganglion, it flares, it goes away. You know, you can test for Lyme even if you know what you're testing for, and it looks like it's remissive, and then all of a sudden it comes out of dormancy. It almost behaves more like a neuroinflammatory condition than a virus. It does. And I feel like it has, I know this is going to sound weird, and I'm going to get criticized for this, but I feel like there's a parasitic component to that because your spiral sheets and you're right, they're hiding

everywhere trying to come out. So you know, with cancer cells, there, once you have a cancer diagnosis, you can go into remission, but unless you're constantly, and this is just my opinion, detoxing and keeping that the communication down between cancer cells or the communication down between spiral sheets or Lyme's disease, it rears its ugly head, which is why doing the type of equipment, doing the type of wellness prevention that you're talking about on your show is so important because you're trying to keep all those negative things

inside your body down and then your positive cells can talk and then they can be healthy and make you reverse aging or longevity or help with the autoimmune disorder. But if you don't continuously do this day to day, in my opinion, then you're letting those illnesses take over. I totally agree with you. You know, there's an emerging theory in aging

called immunofatigue. And it's the assumption that, you know, progressively as we age, the immune system gets more and more and more overwhelmed. And we know that the immune system protects us from the outside world, but we also don't realize the role that it has in just policing ourselves. You know, catching these metabolic shifts in cells so that something becomes a circulating tumor cell, it's absent, you know, keeping autophagy

and cellular senescence in check, and you know, the act of getting rid of useless cells, and things like Lyme disease especially, as well as mold, mycotoxins, viruses, parasites, just distract the immune system, the immune system's over here, you know, trying to deal with the Lyme. And then-

I like how you say that. It's distracted. So how is it supposed to protect you? Your P450 system, your IL-2, IL-4 pathways are like rammed up by trash, right? So how's it supposed to work? And that's where I feel like we've missed that as scientists and as humanity, like we've

got to understand your body can only handle so many things. So what are we going to do to change that? And a lot of people are like, well, I didn't used to have to worry about this. Well, here's what I'm going to say. When you buy a new refrigerator, a new air condition for a place like your beautiful home, you don't have to worry about it at first. Maybe, but after 10 years or 20 and our earth is our land, air and water has gotten older and our bodies have had to deal with all these outside like Lyme's disease. Like before, when we were little, people didn't even know somebody had Lyme disease. I don't

think I've even heard that term until I was well into adulthood. No, and you said something that just really made me really like who you are as a person, as a scientist. I'm not lying. You said that they have it in these, if you're in Alaska and you have Lyme disease, where are you getting that from? I totally agree with you. And I remember when it first hit me

when we were talking about Lyme disease, because if you look at my life, I get sick, then later I work for Pfizer, right? And we had different things they were testing with Zithromax and Fluconazole. And I remember sitting there in a meeting thinking, wait a minute, Lyme disease is coming from a flea or a tick. And it really was a tick.

And then I remember a comment was made about, it could be from a mosquito or a flea or something else. But I remember sitting there thinking, they showed this map of where it was in the world and me thinking, how did that get there? And that's when I told you that I personally believe it can be- How are Eskimos getting Lyme disease? And I've long since, and I've never been able to prove this,

but I believe for a very long period of time that Lyme disease isn't just from ticks. Ticks is one way to transport. I'm on the same side with you. Oh, I'm so happy to hear that because, you know, that's the other thing, you know, if you're listening to this podcast right now and you've been diagnosed with this and you're banging your head against the wall going, I've never really lived in a climate that's, you know, where I've been exposed to the outdoors. Or I've been in a climate that we know doesn't have ticks,

maybe it doesn't even have mosquitoes because of the type of climate that it is, it is still possible that this has been transmitted to you. So I wanna go back to this time in your life when you were 19 years old, because, first of all, it was a very young age, and given the timeframe, there's such a paucity of expertise of what's going on.

So they're running these high dose antibiotics and these massive anti-inflammatories. But how did you walk your way out of that? When was it that you first found out that you had Lyme? So I ended up, I was at a movie theater with my boyfriend at the time and one of my sorority sisters and a bunch of friends and I fainted and they got me to wake up but I couldn't, I had such a high temperature and I couldn't remember my name. And so I ended up in North Carolina, my parents weren't there to this day, I'm still friends with the people that were there. One of them was my

roommate for seven years. And they took me to the ICU and I had been at the doctor they had diagnosed me with being they said I was bit by a brown leclos. Because you know how they had the you know how Lyme disease has like that bullseye but at the time, no one really identified with that. And so I had this amazing infectious disease doctor in North Carolina. I'm very fortunate that I happened to be there

working at Richcrest, which is a conference center. It's a Baptist conference center. And I was able, they were able to diagnose me. They ran the test and I still remember my father. I love my father. So if he's watching this, I just, I love it. He didn't believe it was a real diagnosis because remember at the time, no one really understood it. And then you're right,

they were throwing everything at me. But even at that age, so I was younger growing up in a small town where my mother, the native American background and then the Eastern European background, like the, I think on both sides of my families with herbs and vitamins and everything they wanted. They didn't really believe in taking us to a doctor. They believed in us naturally treating things. So they threw everything at me. I looked like a completely different person. I was swollen all over. I was miserable. Coragas steroids will do that. And I just, yeah, they had me on everything. So I remember one day, every vein had collapsed in both arms.

They put a shunt in right here, which I can still feel. Wow. I was losing it. I just remember waking up one day and saying, I'm not doing it anymore. And my mother and everyone else, of course, because they wanted me to be okay, telling me that I had to. And then I started really researching natural things. And I was really young. But even

at that age, I thought I don't want to live this way. Like I don't want to be on prednisone the rest of my life. I don't want to be on IVs the rest of my life. I just don't want to live that way. And so it was about a two year journey for me. But I learned so much. And I'm so thankful to this day, because I kind of have my own personal protocol for that. That probably there's not a doctor that would agree. That's okay, but no, I would love to hear that because like I said, some of the most impactful people are people that have solved the problem.

And when you're confronted with a problem like that, joy and pain are huge motivators. And people, we aggressively seek joy and we aggressively wanna avoid pain. And sometimes sadly, pain and painful situations and traumatic situations are just the motivation that we need to stick to figuring out a solution because it's just as much to say,

I wanna feel better or I wanna feel different than it is to say, I do not wanna feel the way that I do right now. Right, and to choose not to feel that way. So you kind of have to, and I'm sure you've seen this in your career, it's a mixture in my opinion of taking different steps nutritionally,

even sometimes pharmaceutical, but spiritually, emotionally and mentally believing in yourself. And from my perspective, I really started studying things that could detox my body, not really having any support from a medical community at the time. Do you know what I mean? So how did you get down?

So you're 19 years old, so you say two year journey. So 2021, 22-ish, you're going through this. How did you come to the realization that you needed to detox? And how did you come to the realization that you needed to detox? And what did you do to detox? So my realization, this is going to sound really bad. I don't know if I've ever, I haven't said this. So I'm in a sorority.

You know, I go back to school. They had told me that I couldn't go back to school and my father was like, she will go back to school and she'll be fine. But the truth is I wasn't really great, but I wanted to go out with my friends. So I know this sounds kind of crazy. So for me, one of my goals at that age, you're so young, you know, was I want to feel healthy enough to go out with my friends. It's a great goal. It's so bad. I've never. Most of us want to do that now. So I really started looking up like even at the time and later when I had a prolectinoma

pituitary tumor, I even researched this even more like spirulina, chlorella, chlorophyll. If you ask me why, if you're raised in a home on a farm like I was where you're raised using natural things to help like aloe vera, I know it's simple, right? But on a burn or on a rash or using aloe vera, if you it's simple, right? But on a burn or on a rash or use an aloe vera, if you're used, if you're raised in a home where you're learning that different type of nut milk can help instead of regular milk, if you have a lactose allergy.

Like I was around all of that. So from my perspective, it wasn't even at the time that I was a scientist, you know, I'm a kid going to college, having fun. You haven't finished college yet, so you don't have the credentials. But I just started, I used, I've always been kind of a nerd. And so I really went to the library at the time. I'm older.

So I researched as much as I could. I had a problem even, I remember forgetting what 2 plus 2 was. And I remember I had straight A's and anything with math and anything with science through high school. I had perfect scores. And when I got Lyme disease, I forgot almost everything. That is one of the cardinal hallmark signs of Lyme disease and severe mold poisoning. It's just this crushing brain fog where you just can't remember anything. And at that age, it must have been terrifying because...

And you know what I think that people aren't talking about? I think the people that really get Lyme's disease that have a problem coming out of it is because they have a fungal component. In my family, I'm raised in this small town, farming community, pesticides, all kinds of stuff around. Oh, yeah. A lot of health issues, a lot of mental illness. I'm just being honest in that particular area. And I'm not talking bad at all, wonderful people there. But still you have all these things

that you're being, you're handling with. So, so you're dealing with. So for me, I'd always had a problem with fungus. And I think the people that have the worst results with Lyme's disease are people that have a systemic fungal issue. And I don't think doctors realize that. Well, I think too, if you look at the way the lime acts, you know, it retreats to the dorsal ganglion, it has these flaring points and has these dormant points. You know, one of the hallmark signs of Lyme disease are secondary bacterial infections like Borrelia and these other bacteria that are relatively innocuous, but very prevalent in Lyme infections. So at that time, so you go to the library.

But I'm on all kinds, so they had me on IV medication. So I literally had to at one point say, I'm not doing any more of this. Like I just can't. But not to get off that point of the story, if you fast forward to when I worked at Pfizer, if you could say it was a coincidence, which maybe it was, but looking at how they had, and Pfizer never announces, so I'm, they had research which showed Zithromax and Fluconazole could help because what you just said that most people don't know that I love it, and then you said this, there's a bacterial component. And people get really confused about that.

But if there's a bacterial component, so you've got confused about that. But if there's a bacterial component, so you've got Lyme's disease, and then you have this bacterial component, which is kind of like any virus, right? Like if you have a virus like COVID or HIV, you can have a bacterial component come up. But then another thing people forget about that I keep bringing up

is I believe there's a fungal component. And so I think if you can treat with like a fluconazole or an antifungal when people have this. What they give for UTIs and- Yes, I think you can help these people if you're doing it. So that's personally what I've asked doctors and what I've treated myself with along with tumor at Kirkerman.

I think you probably know this about me. I believe in zeolites and silicates to detox. I'm a huge believer. By the way, those are gut binders. Yeah, because you're trying to get it all out. But then another thing for me is every time I look at detox, I'm trying to focus on how do we detox people while we're also providing what they need for their body.

Which if you look at black cumin seed, turmeric curcumin, if you look at different types of zeolites, which you add like a trace mineral component and vitamins, then you can make sure when you're cleaning the system, you're also supporting the cell so they're restoring back to what they should be. Yeah, looting the waste. I mean, I see it all the time. I mean, if you don't get rid of the exhaust, it will back up and blow the engine. I wish people, I want people to think about, like, the cell is dirty.

Why everything in the body is dirty. No, they're like messy kids. They make an absolute mess when they're just going through their daily life. But think about Lyme's disease. So you think about that component, and then they're laying these spiral sheets everywhere. And I loved how you said this.

They're, like, hiding in the body. They're waiting to jump out and like trick someone, right? And that's where I say something that again, is not popular. I do think it's sexually transmitted. I think that it's transmitted between people. I think that different viruses are not just transmitted through the mouth or the eyes, but also can go through the skin.

And none of us are talking about it. Well, they're a virus. I mean, they're a virus. They're micron sizes, a fraction of a human pore. So, I mean, it's a fraction of the size of a cell. So it makes very much sense to me that it could go through the skin, just given its size,

especially if there's fluid in the skin, sebum and sweat. So at that age, I just- At that age, I wanna go into how you walked your sweat or... Yeah. So, so... So at that age, I just... Yeah, at that age, I wanna go into how you walked your way out of it. If you know me, you know I'm a huge believer in the benefits of hydrogen water. H2 Tab delivers cost-effective portable tablets

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That's drinkh2tab.com and upgrade your hydration today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So I, after about two or three, my memory started coming back. So, I started naturally using a lot of vitamins, a lot of minerals. I self-treated. I was not like this magical, phenomenal, intelligent person at the time. If you think about it, I lost my memory. But I did. It was interesting. I lost my memory. This was so interesting. My mind started thinking differently at that time, where I was able to piece things together. And even though I lost some of the skill set and memory,

like in math and science, I regained it in other ways of how I was producing things. So like, I went from undergrad where my grades weren't great to a master's degree with straight A's in science, because my mind started, it's kind of, I just think human beings are magical. Like they're, they can adapt, right? If they'll, if they'll really focus on it, which is where I feel like we haven't done a great job as humanity at teaching people, okay, you lost this maybe because of an illness, but what are you going to do to support your immune system and your body and your cellular health? So it steps up and it does something even better. Yeah, and I think we have that ability So much during oh, I believe deeply in the body's ability to heal its and I think I was so naive at the time

I'm just being really candid and and and Kind of still believed and the world could be you know could go back to normal that I Just kept going like I noticed that when I would go out in the sun, it would help me. I started keeping a diary of what was helping me. Like I noticed when I would take a bath with lavender and Epsom salt, and then sometimes I would add oregano. And if you ask me why-

You'd be less achy. Yes, and oregano hurts your skin, right? It really stings. But I had read an article that showed that oregano could kill the spiral sheets. So I would put it in the water with Epsom salt and lavender. I know I don't have a product like this if everyone else did.

Yeah, yeah. But I would get- Someone's like, where do I buy that? I would get in and it would burn so bad. And when I got out, I would have this red rash, but I started, it worked. Like I started noticing that I would feel better the next day that if I had a fever, it would go down.

And that's where I was, I really, again, this is where I know people that are not, they didn't go to school in biology or they didn't go in science, but they pay attention to what's happening around them. But I did have some of that background. So it did help me that I was interested in psychology. I was interested in science that I grew up in the home I grew up in where we were exposed

to all of it. And then I think, again, I was just so young and naive that I thought I was going to get better. But I do think that having cancer, like I lost a child, I had a brain tumor. If you ask me, do I think it's related to Lyme's disease? Again, a very unpopular comment that I'm going to make as I do. I think there was a component. I don't think doctors will agree with me. Well, I think, you know, when you think that what is cancer, cancer, all cancer, regardless

of its form or origin, was at one time a healthy cell. And something caused it to shift its metabolism. So I don't think any of us can put a finger on it and say, no, Lyme disease couldn't shift the metabolism. Or no, it's not just smoking or drug use or radiation. It's other less sinister things going on in the body that are just not allowing the immune system to do its job. 100%. And eliminate waste and repair and detoxify and regenerate. So you started doing these baths, you started going in the sun.

I started taking spirulina, which I've done multiple. Spirulina, okay. Yeah. Huge fan. Yeah. Because you know, it can grab hold of different things in your body. Black cumin seed oil was something that I started really studying and understanding. Turmeric curcumin. And there's certain things like aloe vera was another one where sparetol.

So like when people look at things I've worked on, they asked me and the truthfully, if you look scientifically at the ingredients we're talking about, it's just like vitamin C, right? If you look it up, it has a component that can help your body get rid of the trash and then support itself so that it's healthier. And I have people all the time ask me about, you know, the different things to take for weight loss, like ozempic and lots of different things. And I'm not against those things. But what I always tell people is if you're're going to long-term impact your body,

there's a need sometimes, pharmaceutically, to be on things. But you need to support your body naturally. Oh, I totally agree. I mean, we'd also, if you think about it, when we start really breaking things down, like, Mom, and I wanna come back to the line, but we make GLP-1 in our gut.

100%. And so the question is, well, what raises GLP-1? Well, satiation in response to nutrient density. So the question is, well, what raises GLP-1? Well, satiation in response to nutrient density. So the very first thing you could do. One of the things I don't think we're talking about enough, and I want to hear what you have to say is, if you give your body what it has, but it has toxins and like heavy metals or viruses, bacteria, parasites, how in the world are the systems in the body supposed to communicate?

I totally agree with you. I mean, I actually have a detox challenge coming up because I don't think a lot of people are talking about mold, micro toxins, heavy metals, parasites, viruses. And they're not ever on a routine blood work. And what happens to so many people, and I feel very bad for them. I see them by the thousands is, you know, you have these, this myriad of

symptoms, like some, some weight gain, some water retention, some bloating, some fatigue, uh, you know, interrupted sleep, interrupted hormonal patterns, maybe, or maybe not even interrupted hormonal patterns, brain fog, you know, mood disruption. And since it doesn't show up on the lab in your CBC or your CMP or your lipid profile or what have you, it's not jumping off the lab as a disease, a lot of these people are just told,

hey, it's all in your head. Or they'll throw some blanket comment to you like, well, just get stress out of your life. And what kind of nonsense is that? I mean, we're built and we are resilient, we can handle stress, I understand that there's trauma trauma and other things, but we're built to handle stress. We're a lot tougher than we think. And when something is systemically wrong, you know it. Yeah. And even though you can't

define it and put a finger on it, having a physician tell you that there's nothing wrong, because it doesn't show up in this 72 biomarker panel, that's really deflating. You know, and it's really discouraging. So you started doing these baths, you implemented tumor curcumin, resveratrol, which, you know, hats off to you for that time and being so young. And But I even, pharmaceutically, like I remember going to the doctors and they took

me off the IVs and me like, even with these IV antibiotics, these are IVs, so rocifin. So they were using some things that you could use for chemotherapy. So they were just throwing everything at me. Sure. And then I remember instinctively knowing at the time, and I, if you ask me, here's why I knew I kept getting fungal infections. And I kept thinking there was nothing different going on in my life. And so I kept thinking there's something that has to do with the Lyme disease. And so for me, and now they had me on, you know, when they have you on high dose antibiotics, fungus grows. So if a doctor puts you on a high dose of antibiotics, one of the things we know that is in a hospital, when someone dies from like a viral bacteria infection, we know that

there's fungus involved a lot of times the doctor hasn't tested because you're basically giving them a high dose of antibiotic to get the bacterial load down or the viral load. You're giving them an antiviral, which sometimes the doctors will also prescribe the antibiotic. But at the same time, that means fungus grows. So you really need to be on both. And so before I even went to Pfizer, I mean, it's a fungal, like, right? Like you can even even you can buy it at the store, right over the counter. But I remember telling the doctor, I need this because I keep getting a fungal infection. I think if you talk to most women

that have Lyme's disease, if they pay attention, they'll notice that. And most men too, but they don't realize, so just so the audience knows they probably do, fungal infections are transmitted back and forth. So that's why when a woman gets a fungal infection, actually the man should be treated too. Because they both can go back and forth.

With Lyme's disease. With something as simple as kissing, it doesn't even have to be as simple as kissing. As simple as kissing, absolutely. And so with Lyme's disease, I think this is something that a lot of doctors aren't talking about to their patients, but because I was paying so close attention to me,

and for whatever reason, you know, you have your life that brought you here. For me, I guess it was part of my journey to really pay attention to what was going on and to try to fix it because I didn't have any version of not living at the time. Like for me, and I actually did not have any part of me that thought I'm gonna have Lyme's disease

for the rest of my life. Now I understand that. Do you know what I mean? Back then I was like, I just have a lot to do to accomplish that I wanna do in this lifetime. And so it helped me eat right, it helped me focus on really what I wanted to do. At the time, I didn't know a lot about zeolites.

I knew a little bit about benzenites. So the binders were not a part of this protocol. I'm just trying to zero in on what you did to walk yourself out of the lime. So you did the resveratrols, turmeric, corcumin, you were doing these baths. Corcumin seed, the baths, the lots of water, green tea. And you were also taking antifungals.

Antifungals, antibiotics, every, I would usually rotate it every three months tell the doctor I have this infection because I would get an infection because I think the spiral sheets were laying eggs and I think it was all over my body. But my Lyme's disease journey did not really stop effectively.

I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. That's so common too. But look at me, I'm fine. When I started working on zeolites, I met this guy named John Sally and I was a CEO of a healthcare company. So you're Lyme free at this point. I don't have symptoms but I wanna say this.

No, no, no, I'm saying at this point where you started working on zeolites, where you... No, I'm still having problems, but because I had worked at all these pharmaceutical companies, and because I had so many... Even at 19? No, no, no. I did not get rid of Lyme's disease where I didn't have a lot of issues. You're still kind of chronically battling it. Until about 15 years ago. Wow.

Yeah, I would have issues, but if you asked me, I would do the treatment that I'm telling you, and I, self-treatment, right? And I would start feeling better every time. Now, because I understand about zeolites, and I understand about silicas, and I understand about getting rid of things in the system, for me, that helps me. And then understanding tumor at curcumin even more.

And direct use of that for me and I know everyone's Lyme's disease journey is different. That helps me tremendously and I use, I do use Sonus. I do do co-plunge. I do do oxygen. I do do hydrogen. So there's lots of different things I do now. But I would tell you that I believe like even getting cancer when I was, you know, 25, 26 years old was a result of not treating it, but not really treating it as well as I should have. Like this journey for me, what you said is so true, it's a personal journey, right? So me trying all the amazing things you have, like for me, those are not like guesses,

those are things that help people with Lyme's disease. Not everyone can do everything, but you can give them certain tools they can start with to get to the point where they're better. And I do think certain zeolite treatments are really good for people. And zeolite is a binder, what is zeol do think certain zeolite treatments are really good. And zeolite is a binder. What is zeolite? So zeolite is orthosilic, right? And so your world, like your body's composed of water and orthosilic. Like you have this in your body, right? It's your

composition. And so is our world. And so a lot of people don't understand that like our composition of the earth and the DNA of the earth in our body is composed really of some silica, right? But silica can be bad because silica, not bad, but like you're using silica in phones, right? And we know that the EMS and the phones just by using our phones are not particularly good for us. But I worked on a particular formula, I've worked on numerous formulas actually to basically take the silica out of the zeolite because a zeolite is a cage like structure

that has positive and negative ions and it can contribute to different things. Where does zeolite come from? It comes from a natural crystal in the earth and there's over 300 types of zeolites. Wow, and why is it so effective as a binder and like for somebody listening to this when would they think maybe I should introduce a binder to my routine? Like when would a binder come into play?

So I personally feel like and this is me personally if I looked at just my scientific background and my education I would say if I wouldn't have written a lot of patents, I wouldn't have studied zeolites more in depth, I would not have this opinion. But the more that I've researched zeolites, understanding how they would bind to nuclear waste and how they would help with EMFs and how they could help with lots of different things. Help with EMFs?

Yeah. Wow. So from my perspective, and again, I know that a lot of people have differences of opinion, but by binding to what's in your body that's a toxin, which shouldn't be in there through a positive and negative charge, my goal with my products was to make something that would rip things apart and take them out of the body. So as an inventor, I wrote patents that reverse aging and regenerate the hair, nail, and skin in the body. But then you have to actually do it. So you know,

you write a patent, but then you have to do. So like my, the rest of my life will be spent trying to work on the different things that I've patented to bring them to humanity through whatever company or whatever people that are really going to try to change humanity. That's amazing. But when we just going back to zeolite for a moment. So what if somebody's listening to this podcast? What should trigger them to think maybe I need to introduce a binder to my routine? Like what kind of symptoms would be going on that they would say maybe I should incorporate activated charcoal or zeolite or- Which are all binders. Yeah, 100%. And I think to bring this to a point, I'm going to answer

the question. I do want the audience to know there's different binders. So thank you for bringing that up because I think the body, you have to outsmart the viruses and bacteria and parasites and environmental heavy metals, everything in your body, because you have to be smarter. And when I worked on HIV, that was one of the things I kept seeing, that maybe one thing would work with one person, but another person needed like different blockades and different things to lower it. problems in my opinion with not being able to get rid of an illness or an autoimmune disorder and you really have been exposed to anything toxic, whether it's heavy metals like mercury, arsenic, lead, and we all know our environment right now. Yeah, no doubt. Whether it's coming through your skin or through your body.

And just so the audience knows, if you have a rash on your skin or anything that's happening, that's a sign of what's going on the inside of the body. That's a reaction. So you have to get the trash out and the heavy metals out. And you also wanna create an equilibrium in the body. And we know that orthosilic acid and different types of zeolites can create this like equilibrium.

We know that we used it Darren and Chernobyl, Hiroshima. So they're safe, but like, so again, if they're listening to this, you're saying, if you have a known toxic exposure, like if you know that you've been exposed to- Vaccines that have heavy metal carriers, like there's all kinds of things, spike proteins.

So it sounds like everybody should use it then, because I mean- In my opinion, but you need to use one that's safe, and you need to drink lots of water. And it doesn't mean by taking one, and it needs to be the right one. And I'm really cautious to ever say that I have the right one. I have one of the ones that really works that I've worked on, but I've worked on others and I plan on the future working on even more because I feel like the zeolites are a crystal that really hold the ability to work with your body synergistically,

and they're bioavailable. So for example, zeolites have been something we've researched for years as a carrier that's a natural carrier. Carrier for what? Like a vaccine or a human monoclonal antibody. They bind those and carry them out of the body. It can help actually,

even with a pharmaceutical biotech agent to help be bioavailable to the system because it's a natural part of your body. So if you make a zeolite the right way, you're basically taking out part of that zeolite, which is what I did to make a silica, so that it's working to be bioavailable and safe and efficacious for the body.

But is it also working as a binder to carry toxins out? It's also acting as a binder, but here's the issue. If you have a zeolite that hasn't been cleaned, then it holds on to heavy metals. So you have to be really careful that you're on the right zeolite. But you want it to bind the heavy metals, right? You want it to, but you also want it,

my goal always with the patent source is to rip it apart. So to bind and then rip it apart. And the reason I wanted to do that with heavy metals is because I don't want them to be heavy metals anymore. Oh, you mean the zeolite will hold heavy metals when you take the binder, you're putting heavy metals in? Yes. No, no, no. So when you put the zeolite in and you're ripping apart the heavy metals in the binder, then it can release you the sweat or the urine in the body, right? Your problem is if they're not, if it's not ripping it apart,

you can hurt the different organs. Like chelation therapy, for example, is not negative. But if you do too much chelation therapy, it can hurt your organs, right? That's because it's stripping all the metals. It's stripping all the, that's my point. Yeah, it doesn't just, it doesn't just target mercury or... No, it's stripping all of them.

It'll take B12, all kinds of zinc, magnesium, all the light metals. Right, so my goal, any product I've worked on, I'm infusing that into the product because I don't want the body to be stripped from everything. Because even though I do understand chelation therapy helps, it's stripping all the good things out too.

So you're saying that certain zeolite binders, like the one you formulated for example, the certain zeolite binders, like the one you formulated, for example, the certain zeolite binders will actually bind the heavy metals, but they're not binding the things that have similar charges that we wanna keep in the bottom. So it's like a selective binder. It's a selective binder. Yeah, and that's why I put 87 to 115 trace minerals

and then vitamins in it as well. I'm a huge fan of that too. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think that when we look at detoxification pathways, you look at methylation pathways, you look at detox in general, detoxification, transulphuration, glutathione pathways, these pathways are very hungry for the vitamins, for minerals.

And one of the ways that you can up your capacity to detoxify is to make sure that you have plenty of the natural minerals. 100%. What have you. But I'm saying so, so someone's listening to this and they, so if they have a known toxic exposure or they have unexplained symptoms, a binder might be something that they want to explore. 100%. Like the arsenic for example, from a fire, right?

Yeah. How do you detoxify from arsenic? That's a tough one. Well, zeolites are known to bind to arsenic. Are they really? Yeah. And so, like, it's a specific zeolite. And again, you're sourcing those. One of the reasons I've traveled to so many places in the world are to study different forms of zeolites. One of the things I haven't done, which I've gone back and forth, I don't release my source of zeolites. Oh, OK. And because they're different everywhere you go and you have to study it. Like you go to Egypt, for example, we talked about that earlier, and find a specific part.

There's lots of zeolites that are different in Greece. And do these zeolites have are different in grace, for example. And do these zeolites have different binding affinities? They do. Okay, so that's the thing. So if you knew that you had arsenic poisoning, for example, you could select the zeolite with a binding affinity for arsenic.

You could selectively do that, or you could talk to a scientist that's worked on a specific zeolite product and ask them if they tested for arsenic. Yeah, but those people are not hanging on trees. I don't even know how. I mean, I know a lot of people and I don't know who to call for a zeolite binder.

There's tests that you can look at for heavy metals. Like when we have people that are on some of the products that I've worked on, at first when they take the test, when they're using the product that I've made, it'll show more heavy metals, right? Because you're excreting them from the system. Yeah, pulling them from the tissues, right?

Right, and so you have to explain that. Because again, you're explaining to people, but then after three to six months, you'll notice that it's less, right? Because you're getting out of the body. So the more exposure, I just dealt with someone this morning, an amazing person that started just a drop

of one of the products, not a dropper, a drop with water. And then pus was coming out of her eczema and she went to the doctor and the doctor said, what have you done differently? And she said nothing. And the doctor says, it just looks like there's a bacterial infection or there's something

else that's coming out of your skin. Whether that had to do with the product that I worked on or not, I don't know. But I will say we've seen it a lot. Some people don't have a reaction because I think some people have not been exposed to as much heavy metal. For me, even products that I've worked on, there's some products I've worked on, and again, I'll be criticized for this too, but that I don't use There's other products that are mandatory for me that are

Life-changing for me personally what how many different zeolite products do you have? I only have there's two that I use once clean slate once clean spirits one as patents to Metabolize alcohol in the liver. Okay, and to clean the liver.. And actually it's trademarked for that and the patents around it. So because I want to really focus on the detox, so somebody that's looking to bind things like heavy metals, like for example, I did a heavy metal, I thought that I had metal poisoning and I did a heavy metal test and my levels were within normal range or very low. Then I did something called a provoked chelation test where they used chelation and they provoked the metals. They pulled them out of the tissue. And then I did an eight-hour urine afterwards.

So I did chelation and then for eight more hours, you know, urinated in this container, sent it to the lab, and then my metals were through the roof. Yeah. And then I have used binders, activated charcoal, and zeolite and so on, and detox, glutathione, a bunch of other stuff. But what I'm trying to zero in on is if somebody knows they've had a known exposure to heavy metals, or they have something like a arsenic, they would select one of these two zeolite binders.

Yeah, clean slate is the one that we had active data on when we first started. Four metals. Yes, and we've done case studies all over. So I launched a patient registry in the 80 countries we were in a couple of years ago and case studies with different doctors. We were dealing with like the Hungarian doctor

for the Olympics and just different people in other countries where we would research it. The issue is what you just said is the test to determine and making sure you have the right test. So we- Yeah, they're evasive. Yeah, they really are. It's like looking for spiral sheets.

Like it's almost crazy to me how just getting a heavy metal test is so hard. Like the products I work on, I'm testing, then retesting, then testing again. But the human body is really hard to get accurate tests. And it's more than one that you have to really do to know what's going on in your body. If you want protein to build lean muscle, but without the caloric impact or need to cut, you need perfect amino, it's pure essential amino acids, the building blocks of proteins in a precise form

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And they suspect that they might have some form of toxin in their body, whether it's a heavy metal, a virus, parasite, bacteria, mold, mycotoxin. Where do they start with testing? What kind of testing do you think is best for them to get an idea of what might be causing their condition. So we have a genetic test that we use, but if you ask me if it's going to show them everything that's going on in their body, it's going to show them, and I think you guys have a test that looks at wellness and prevention. Yeah, yeah, but it doesn't test for metals. But it's not testing for that. Yeah. There's Ascend is a lab that does some of that testing.

If you ask me if I've ever been 100% happy with any kind of testing, not 100%. Because I feel like it's fine if you have a functional integrative med doctor you're working with that understands heavy metals and they can read the test and that you have someone that's going to report what they're taking. I do think certain zeolite formulas that bind can be extremely impactful to someone's life as long as they're used correctly. I think you cannot flush a zeolite out of the system, no matter who you're buying it from, unless you're drinking lots of water.

And you're really, I mean, and I've seen people use zeolites with chelation, right, and have good results. But again, it's so hard for me, Gary, because you want people to each understand that their individual treatment, like are they using a med bed? Are they doing cold plunge? Like if they would use other types of therapies along with the right zeolite to detox the body,

I think you have amazing results within two weeks to three months. Yeah, because I think, you know, first it's like I use a, that's called a vibrant wellness test. I'm no affiliation with them, but you know, because it looks at different microtoxins, metals, and I think it's for people that are really having symptoms that they've been on this journey that they just can't seem to figure out. And they're generally those malaise like symptoms that, you know, you're walking around at like a C minus, you know, it's not enough to drive you to the

ER, it's not enough to make you go to the urgent care, but your moods flat, you're bloated, you got brain fog, you know, you know, you have no motivation to exercise, you don't really feel your surroundings, you know. And so what I was trying to get at, and you know, in your opinion was, is there any testing that you would say, okay, if you feel like that, there's the test that you should do? Yeah, there's I can send you the blood test and you guys can post it. I have a concierge, I have send you the blood test and you guys can post it. I have two concierge doctors I work with even for me.

And it lists the biomarkers to test on there. And it lists the biomarkers. And then I can send you the 130 essays that we've used before. Here's the issue. It's like a fungal test. So I learned this when I used to work in pharmaceutical. Your fungus tests have like a 50% positive, 50% negative. So you don't even know.

And we know now that heavy metal tests can be like that. And so your issue is, and Lyme's disease, like are you testing for spiral sheets? What are you seeing in the viral load? The truth is they can hide, right? So you don't see the full picture. And so from my perspective, what you're trying to do with like a zeolite

or detoxification program is to bring the body into equilibrium so that your viral loads down, your heavy metal loads down, your bacterial load, fungus, everything's down. So the zeolites actually work on viral loads too. So there's a lot of research that you can find in NIH, PubMed, research data all over the world where it can help with viral, parasitic, bacterial. So a lot of different, basically helping get the environmental toxins out. It's just that it's never been made into a pharmaceutical that's been like an agent. And then nutraceutical, it's one of the most like fought over products in the world. And I believe like it's the only product I've ever worked on

that people have like criticized me about. And I think it's because it actually does something and actually helps people and it makes a change. And when I look at autism and I look at Alzheimer's and I look at Parkinson's and ALS and all these neuro-cognitive. I'm just gonna tell you like from my perspective we were looking at ApoE gene, like with Aircept, with Pfizer.

But now we understand, and I worked on a consulting project with Alon where we were looking at Alzheimer's. And now when you're seeing the autopsies that people are having, they're seeing the fungus and they're seeing the parasites. And I personally think people with Lyme disease are at a higher risk for that as well. So yeah, my goal with working on zeolites was to bring the body down to basically equilibrium

so that you can support the immune system and the cellular health. So because you know that everything's not going to be perfect, right? You're trying to bring it back to an equilibrium state so that you can basically support the system inside that will fight everything else off. Yeah, but the what I was trying to get at was, you know, what kind of when somebody feels like that, where do they go? Like what you so you have the biomarkers that you said that you can look at and then those biomarkers are they're indicative of Lyme virus.

They're indicative of what's going on in your body. But the problem with what's available right now is you can take those markers and look at them and look at what your footprint is, right? And then you can test against that and do like every three months, different tests that look at different biomarkers as well, and then correlate them.

But your issue is most doctors aren't correlating all these tests together for a patient. Does that make sense? So you can see your baseline and your genetics and then you can see your markers and what's happening. But having a doctor correlate the two is where there's a gap or where I really believe a company has to step up. And I'm trying to do as much as I can, but we need to create this gap. You need to create a system that will help people with this gap. Right.

Because there is a gap. If you ask me personally, if there's a lab that does everything or a doctor... Yeah, yeah, not everything. But I'm just saying like some hope for people to say, here's the road that you kind of want to go down. I mean, you already said that there's these certain biomarkers. What kind of biomarkers are you finding that are indicative of some of these pathogens?

Like, what are you going to see in somebody with metals or with, you know, lime, other than the IgG, IgM, you know, tighter for lime? So typically, IgM, you know, titer for Lyme. So typically, I always, and I think this is where I land upon a lot of my pharmaceutical biotech background, because when we would develop human monoclonal antibodies or different pharmaceuticals, we're looking at P450 systems within the body, and the IL-2 and IL-4 pathways. Okay, these interleukin pathways. Yes.

So we're looking at how are those working together and how are they basically supporting the body. And you even look at those pathways when you're like if you give a patient a chemotherapy or radiation or human monoclonal antibody or a vaccine, right? You're looking at how is that interacting and is it able to process within the system. And we know now that if those systems are not working within the body, then your P- What systems? When you say it's not able to process in the system, oh, the P-

P450 and your IL-2, IL-4 pathways. Those are so important to the human body. If those aren't functioning correctly, the rest of the body isn't. Like you can look at everything, your neurotransmitters, right? If that P450 system and IL-2, IL-4 pathway is not working, then your whole system isn't working.

Your microbiome within the stomach is not producing hydrogen, right? You're not communicating with the heart. You're not communicating with the brain. And even though it sounds really simple, those are your main pathways that you're really looking at genetically to work at processing anything you put in the body. Whether it's something you're eating, whether it's a nutraceutical or whether it's a pharmaceutical, your body has to be able to make things bioavailable to work. And I think one of the main things that's happened is our bodies are so polluted by these heavy metals, by these pathogens, whatever you want to call them, bacteria, viruses, the pick

a topic, right? Pollution. That our system doesn't work. So our whole P450 system is not able to process anything. So when you talk to me about a sea, someone's living a sea life. Their body's simply not able cellularly to communicate between the cells or the systems. And the neurotransmitters are shutting down. The endocrine system shuts down.

And the whole body just isn't working effectively. For those people that don't know what a P450 system is, can you explain that a little bit? So the P450 system is really what is inside the body that's processing everything that's going in and out. And if you have like, for example, let's say you take Zithromax, right? Or you're taking an IV injection, whatever you're taking, that has to process

through the system for the system to be able to communicate with the rest of the immune system and the cellular health. So P450, is this a marker that you can look at? It's a marker within the system, but it really is controlling everything within the system. So if the P450 system in the body isn't working or isn't able to process something, then the whole system's not working effectively.

Because it's creating toxic waste or whatever. Right, so when you work on pharmaceuticals and biotechnology, you're looking at that system to see if what you're putting in the body is bioavailable to the body and if it will work in a safe and efficacious way. The way I look at the body, because I'm not just in the pharmaceutical biotech, my thing is if we've studied that our whole life and that's what we're determining whether something's

approved and whether it's working, then what about what we're eating? What about the negative effects of that system? Everything's going through that, right? So if that system isn't working effectively, how are we processing anything? And I believe one of our problems is we're toxic. And you could tell me, well, why are we toxic, Christina? A million reasons. So what are we going to do to clean that whole system up? The reason, in my language, because you know how we both come from different worlds, but in my world, that's what we had to review when we were getting anything approved. So before you get stuff approved through the FDA, you're looking at those systems from a scientific- And how do you evaluate the P450 system?

Are there P450 markers that say that, you know, what would be like a marker for the P450 system? There's different lab tests that you can... Like when you're, like scientifically when you're researching a molecule or a drug and how it's working in the body, you're looking at those systems and the markers throughout the whole body. So scientifically, you're able to really dissect that and see what's happening within the body, you're looking at those systems and the markers throughout the whole body. So scientifically, you're able to really dissect that and see what's happening within the body. But are there P450 markers?

Like if you say markers of inflammation, I would say, okay, well, homocysteine, C-reactive protein, creatine phosphocytes. So in my mind, scientifically, it's all part of that system. Do you see what I mean? So even though those are individual parts, that whole system working together in order for your body to process anything,

all the markers, all the channels, whether you're looking at the endocrine system or you're looking at your neural transmitters and the system that they have, everything is working together to really communicate if it's going to work within the body. So you could put, let me use an example, a liver delivery, a lizard delivery system in your body. You probably know what I'm talking about.

Lizard delivery. No, seriously. Yes, no, I know exactly what you're talking about. And if the P450 system and the IL-2, IL-4 systems, which are part of really all the systems without the body. Like Interleukin, I understand, cause they're Interleukin-6, Interleukin. So you can, you know, I know those markers,

the P450, I'm saying, that's a system. It's your whole overall system. So it's kind of like saying the engine of the car. Okay. Right, like this is basically your control center. You know what drives me crazy? Having all these health questions burning inside you, but nowhere to get real science-backed answers.

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that you look at to see? So if you were to say this person's P450 system is working, this person's P450 system is not working, what are the biomarkers that create that difference? So your IL-2, IL-4 pathways are the two most important pathways that are communicating. So those are markers of the system I see. those are markers of the system.

They're communicating with the system. So I look at it more as here's the system, scientifically if you research that, it's communicating with all of your systems and there's biomarkers interacting with everything. And so if that system is not able to make something bioavailable, then something else is gonna get off in the system.

So for example, if you have a delivery mechanism that's a lizard or mouse DNA, maybe that system, because you know, mirroring is the closest to our DNA. So we use that as delivery systems, right? As part of some of the human monoclonal antibodies, which is something that I thought everyone knew, but now I realize not everyone knows. No, definitely not. That's not common knowledge. Trust me. So you're using different delivery systems to make something work because you're trying to,

when you put something inside the body to help with Lyme disease or help with cancer, you don't want to kill the body, right? You're trying to make sure that the body is communicating still, but you're targeting like the negative cell. So let's say you're treating to make sure that the body is communicating still but you're getting red you're targeting Like the negative cell. So let's let's say you're treating proximal nocturnal human globin area You're targeting a cell that is causing that to change it so that it no longer looks like a cell That's called has PNH and you're using different components of that system to target and you're using different components of that system to target. So anytime you create like a human monoclonal antibody, your goal is to get rid of a bad cell, right, or an autoimmune disorder or a disease. But the problem is if that

molecule or that drug that you're using also produces toxins or has side effects, then long-term use that impacts the overall system of P450 and all of your different markers within the body. So the way I look at it scientifically is it's not isolated. Even though you may have a traditional doctor say that it is isolated, in my opinion, it's not. It's all connected and it's all working together and your immune system and your cellular health, unless you really detox and clean that, it's just clogged up. And so I believe, even though this isn't a theory that people are talking about, that's one of

the reasons why we're aging so quickly. Oh, I've told, I firmly believe that toxins in the body are going unchecked, undiagnosed, and unaddressed. So in other words, I believe that, I mean, first of all, we all have some level of heavy metals in our body. We all have parasites in our body. There's healthy parasites like helminths and bad parasites. We have healthy bacteria, we have bad bacteria, we have, you know, the majority of us at some point

in our lifetime have had circulating tumor cells, but our immune system has somehow captured those. And I thoroughly agree with you that, and I thoroughly subscribe to this idea of immunofatigue that, you know, the immune system eventually just gets worn out. And one of the ways to give the immune system a fighting chance is to remove as much of things like mold and mycotoxins and heavy metals and parasites and viruses, though it's not distracted. And if you can do that and then rely on the innate immune system to start policing your own cellular

biology, that's a huge win because nothing is better at detecting foreign pathogens and detecting your own senescent cells, cells that are living but not performing their job anymore than your own immune system. Yeah. In fact, I don't know if we have anything that specifically targets a senescent cell

other than a natural killer cell, which is your own immune cell. I don't think so. So if somebody wants to begin a detoxification journey, and they're like, I agree with what you guys are referring to, and I wanna start my own detoxification journey, where does that journey start? Like, what are some things they can do? I think they need guides like you.

I really do. No, no, no. Sign up for my VIP. Yes. She said it. There you go. Yeah, everyone's gonna. No, I think you have to have...

Okay, this is what I think. You have to have warriors in science that actually are waving the flag to really try to help people. I think like a lot of the things I talked about today are not popular. I think that scientifically our medical and science books haven't changed a lot. We were a lot younger to update from my perspective, just studying things all over the world. You know, I have no, there's no hidden agenda. I just want to help people. So detoxing, you've got to have someone that can be there with you to go through it.

Because some people detox differently. Some people, when they go through detoxification, they have a lot of energy. Some people there, they don't have as much energy. Some people break out in a rash because stuff's coming out of their skin. Right. And their body or they're having they're using the bathroom more. I mean, that's just stuff you have to understand because everybody's body's different. And again, I talked about the systems of the body that I feel like are essential,

but the truth is everyone's genes are gonna react differently. And because we've all been exposed, they're gonna have a different reaction. But if you can follow a regimen where you're really trying to find what the best detoxification protocol is for you, that's my advice to people. And

I think you have to keep a journal, you know, a journal and it has to be a mission. It's kind of like redoing your house. Like if you're not dedicated to that and you don't understand that your life journey is going to include taking the trash out of your body through detoxification, then here's my opinion. You want to live the healthiest, happiest life ever. So to me, it's like saying, am I going to spend the rest of my life and never brush my teeth or take a bath? No, I'm going to take a bath. I'm going to brush my teeth. But even what's more important is cleaning out the inside of your body. And it's something no one taught us when we grew up. Like you weren't taught by your mother and I wasn't

either that you needed to detox. and it's something no one taught us when we grew up. Like you weren't taught by your mother and I wasn't either that you needed to detox. Yeah, no, that's very true. I mean, I love my mother so much. So what are just some general things that people could do to begin a detoxification journey? So I do think that if you're starting a detoxification journey, I think it's really important.

I do think you need to pick a zeolite treatment that really works to clean out the body. And then I think you need- How often do you pick a zeolite treatment that really works to clean out the body. And then I think you need... How often do you take a zeolite treatment? So, the ones I've worked on, you take in the morning and at night. And I always tell people... Do you take them apart from food? Yeah.

Okay. You can take them if it bothers your stomach with food. I prefer without food. But the only thing also buying that a lot of the nutrients. Okay. So you would... So ideally you would take them on an empty stomach. On an empty stomach, 30 minutes to an hour before your meal. Before food, okay.

If you're on chemotherapy or radiation, I always say 48, 72 hours before or after consult with your doctor. 42 to 72 hours after a treatment. Before or after a treatment. Before or after a treatment. Yeah, because you don't wanna bind anything with the radiation.

You gotta wait until. Yeah, you don't wanna bind the chemotherapy. And then you wanna take it out. So, and I always say consult with your doctor, but with the products I you gotta wait until, and then you wanna take it out. And I always say consult with your doctor, but with the products I've worked on, one to two drops in the morning, one to two drops at night, not droppers. If it was up to me, you'd also do it at lunch, but a lot of people do not have that dedication to detail.

They do it three times. Yeah, and then you go up to 10 drops in the morning, 10 drops at night. So these are zeolite liquids. Yes, liquids. Because you're, so zeolite, so like Pepto-Bismol is a zeolite. Kitty litter, zeolite.

There's different types of, yeah, baking soda. There's different types of zeolites. So you would take that with lots of water. And I tell people, I also prefer they take it with green tea, clean green tea to try to strip it out of the system. And then I really think having a very strong greens shake that has spirulina and different types of wheatgrass and different types of algaes that can help take it out like a phytoplankton can really help as well because you're trying to target your monoclobiole.

So spirulina, green algae. Prebiotics, probiotics are very important during a detoxification process because you've got to support the healthy bacteria. And I even think pre and probiotics supports the healthy, basically microbiome of the whole body. Right. So that's, I think is extremely important. I do really think the the Epsom salt baths are extremely important. But I think if you're doing the cold plunge and you're doing if you have a med bed, if you have the oxygen, if they have the hydrogen, the hydrogen pills you use, those are all of those are really great things for detoxification. Huge, huge. So to add those to that regimen are

very important. And I always tell people look at it again like you're redoing your house or you're going shopping for clothes. Cause what you're doing is you're redoing your body on the inside so that all your systems are working. And that's where I do think scientifically, I look at life differently. I think there's this whole system in there and you just have to support it and you want to make it beautiful. And I think the more I've traveled in my life, the more I realize I don't really have a home.

I'm always in another country. I'm like, I'm not in this home. Would you tell me you were home like 30 days last year or something? And so you were traveling 11 months out of the year. But you want your body to be, this is where you live, right? So if you would spend the time of, the time, attention and money you spend on your own home,

and on the way you look on the time, attention and money you spend on your own home. And the way you look on the outside. Then you, to me become a much more beautiful person and in every way and you feel a lot better, which is what's so important. Like you could have as much money as you want in the world. If you don't feel good, that changes everything. And I know you talk a lot about how emotional and spiritual toxicity can be as damaging as physical toxins. Can you just elaborate on that? So I think in this life, unfortunately, we feel such guilt. I think that we are bombarded and some of it's social media, some of it's just what's happened with feeling guilty

about things and we live with it. Whether we're overweight, we feel guilty emotionally, mentally, whether we did something in our past, which all of us have, we feel guilty and we shouldn't. And I feel like this guilt, I don't feel like I think as a, you know, I used to be a psychologist, it impacts our entire stress, inflammation level of the body. And I think if we can just spiritually love ourselves and not hate other people, but try our best to surround ourselves with the right people, then we can have a much healthier life. Because one of the things I learned in school

when I went back to school is that ourselves talk. And so if you're around negative people, are you surrounded? Frequency matters. I mean, I've become an enormous believer in the universal law of attraction, which I thought was complete mumbo jumbo 20 years ago. And I forget what book was it, we very first started talking about that.

It might have been one of the John Maxwell books that talks about the universal law of attraction. And I thought it was just a bunch of nonsense, but now that I understand frequency and cellular energy and laws of constructive interference and destructive interference, there are laws in physics that say that energy matters, emotion matters, frequency matters, and it matters tremendously in our cellular biology.

So what are some things that we can do to either spiritually align or spiritually cleanse ourselves? And I'm not talking about from a religious perspective. I'm just saying our human spirit. How do we get some of the emotional and spiritual toxins out of our life? First of all, what are they? So there's a lot of spiritual, emotional toxins and they come from years of relationships or being around the wrong people

that aren't beneficial to your soul. And I say this all the time, you're here for a reason, right? You have a path and your path can't be a path where someone's making you feel guilty or horrible. It's gotta be a path where you're really getting to be the best version of you. And so by getting the people out that aren't making you happy and not-

Getting them out of your life. Taking them out of your life. Not out of your life not even like I know this sounds bad but even blocking people can be better for your your soul your physical health your spiritual health than anything one of the things we always saw when we would submit something to FDA is there would be people that would all of a sudden get better from a rare disease yeah And we would find out that they had people around them. There were two things. They either changed their nutrition and they were taking supplements or eating different

foods and changed their diet. Or there was a spiritual component with emotional and mental support from people that had around. And usually it was both of those things. And all of a sudden you would go in, you would be treating a patient and they were getting ready to start a new treatment that the only people that were going to die could start the treatment and they were better. And you're like, what did you do different? What they did was they got people out of their life that shouldn't have been and they put people around them that supported them and loved them for who they were and accepted

who they were. And that's why I encourage everyone to do in their life because it's one of the most important things. There really isn't a reason. If you're in a situation where it's negative or you're not happy, then get out of it somehow. Because you really have this one shot and you need to be around people that really believe in you and that are going to accept you. And even I say this, sometimes people don't agree with me. And we talked about it before here. So it's okay if we don't agree, if we learn from it. And those are the people that actually can help you even be more emotionally and mentally healthy.

They don't have to agree with you. They have to love and care about you and give you honest feedback. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, like we, you know, I talk about this all the time, how Blue Zone Research had these two non-negotiables and one of them was sense of purpose and sense of community.

And so if that sense of community is absent because the people in your life are very negative, or they don't believe in you, or they're just on a completely different path, and sometimes it's family members, distancing yourself so that you can not have that energy drain. 100%. Because the laws of physics tell us through constructive and destructive interference that people can actually take energy away from you, or they can give you energy through frequency. 100%.

So that's what you mean by spiritual and emotional toxins. And so, I'm wondering some of the, are there any other spiritual or emotional toxins other than negative people that? You know, I, so I'm not trying to be like I was raised in a Christian home, but for me, I do a lot of, because I was a psychologist, I do a lot of like ceremonies for myself where I will burn, I will put something on a piece of paper. I know this sounds crazy, but I will go to the fireplace and burn it. No, it's great. I can get rid of that negative thought or that negative process. And then another thing I do

is I will write something positive on. And then I will do the same thing and just say I meditate, I pray. It's really important to me that I put that purpose out there. I do believe in the power of attraction. I do believe in... Listen, I believe in string theory and light theories and time travel because they're real. Like we used to not know and now we know. And if you believe in any of those theories, you do understand. What is string theory? So string theory is basically getting from one point to the next. It's connected to time travel.

So being able to go along one line, sorry, of energy to the next in that split second. It's like the quantum, right? Things can actually be in two places at the same time. Yeah, it's kind of like black hole theory. So we used to think the black hole wasn't real. And now we understand that's one of the ways we could potentially save our world someday. If something happens to the earth is going through the black hole, but you have to go through the single energetic line, which I think is so new for me. So string theory is I have a place that I, a destiny that I wanna go in my life or maybe an image of myself, and I'm paraphrasing here,

and you're saying there's a theory that accelerates my journey to that person. It's an energetic theory that gets you, that you can use somewhere faster, right? Or quicker due to the fact that you're traveling really at a light speed and through one little energetic level. Right. But if you can connect the energy levels and they're really easy to go through, it's much

better than if you have like these different energetic levels that you're going through when you're looking at a time travel or you're looking at going from one from point A to point B. And even one of the theories is connected to like how we think and what we know, which I think is so great because they think there's that there are some human beings and this is a little bit of a different theory, but they think there's some people that can communicate. They don't think they know without talking. And they think it's because their cells have energetically figured out how to communicate to someone else. And you know, we used to think, well, this was the FBI or the CIA or different kinds of organizations. Now we understand there's just some people that they've trained, just like you're training so much, you're doing all this stuff that they are so involved that they actually know how to do that

and to basically achieve what they want in life because they're so concentrated on it. So like that power to influence your world around you because you're so focused and so intentional. Like you said, we live in a toxic world and I think this whole maha movement is hopefully gonna start cleaning some of this up. And I think a whole maha movement is hopefully going to start cleaning this up. And I think, you know, a particular concern to me is this next generation,

you know, like my kids are getting ready to have kids. And I don't worry about my kids, but I do worry about my kids' kids. Yeah. And the reason why is because there are just so many ways for them, there's just so many things that they have to deal with. I mean, just the environmental toxins, social media, the kind of psychological impact that social media might have on young girls and young boys,

the need for like immediacy, like delayed gratification is not something that I think the younger generation really gets. I think you can get it from faith. But what are some of the ways that we can, if you're raising children, you know, if you're a parent and you're listening to this, what are some of the ways that we can protect our kids from some of these toxins? So I think with children, it's really important that they,

first of all, I think it's more important than ever to have them on different treatment regimens for prevention and wellness. And I mean that because we have such a high propensity. So like what kind of an example of, when you say treatment regimens for wellness, what would be an example of a treatment regimen for a child?

So for example, we know now that the neurotransmitters of the brain, you know, we have such a high propensity of ADHD and autism. So I've worked on a lot of adaptogenetics, no topics because of that, because if your neurotransmitters aren't working, if the dopamine and serotonin is not working, then you're experiencing anxiety and depression. And we even know there's a component with autism and ADHD for that. So I have worked on many throughout my career in the pharmaceutical industry. Of course, we had things for ADHD and autism. I'm just

going to say this without a lot of success. Yeah. I mean, it's like every... It doesn't surprise me at all. No. But what are some specific examples for kids when you say treatment regimens? There are certain things, like again, detoxification from my perspective is very important for children. So giving them a zeolite binder?

Yeah. Okay. Are there dosages that are safe for kids? Yes, it would be lower. So you would basically, based on weight, you would go, I wouldn't go higher. Like if a child's under 100 pounds, I wouldn't go higher than five drops in the morning and five at night and I would start with in the morning one because with autism so people with autism we've seen some great results and the issue is when you

start waking up with the zeolite drops but earlier didn't you say that the it should be two drops twice a day that's's for a full adult. But for children. Five drops for children and two for adults? No, no, no. You start with one drop in the morning. And you could go up to five, but you want to see how they're reacting. So with autism, you're extremely sensitive and ADHD, right? So again, I always say consult with a doctor, but I'm telling you, one drop in the morning

with lots of water, one drop at night, and then you could go up to five, but some children that doctors have treated all over the world, because in a lot of countries we're in, there are more integrated functional meds. So it's a little different. They don't have a choice, because they don't have access to a lot of pharmaceuticals. 100%, so they're using natural.

And we have a lot of results for people that are just using one drop. I mean, that bottle would last six months. You know it's one drop in the morning, one drop at night. But we have a group out of Switzerland that they had a bunch of people that have had autism and ADHD, their children. And so they started using some of the products and they've had really great results. Which ones do they have great results in for autism?

Clean Slite. Clean Slite is the binder. And yes, and zero in. So you're saying that, I mean, binders is basically the place to start for just about everybody is to try to get my personal opinion. Yeah, from your personal opinion. Yeah. And I'm here to hear your opinion. So that's good. I know. But if you go to a traditional doctor, they're not going to understand. Yeah, traditional doctors, I think. It's something wrong with traditional doctor, but I just don't think that they're traditionally trained to look at things like, you know, these environmental toxins. No, but they're trained on other things when you need things in an emergency.

But another thing for people that have children with autism or ADHD, you've got to really help again the microbiome of the stomach because that's impacting the neural transmission of the brain. And so you need an adaptogenic or nootropic like L-thionine, L-arginine, right? There's, I use a lot of pine bark and velvet bean in my adaptogenics because it's microdosing and it's from a vine or root. But if you use that, it's really increasing the support of the neural transmission and that's your goal, right? Because you want them to be able to think straight, to produce, and I'll be honest, I take, for me,

I take an adaptogenic because I need to be on all day. Because I'm going from one country to the next. What kind of adaptogenic do you take? I take a product called ZeroN. ZeroN? Uh-huh. Right in there. I like that.

Get in there. But there's different products out there. That's one that I've worked on that we have a lot of professional athletes on that have used. And what does it do? It helps them be more focused and more. The goal of it was to increase in the neural transmission starting in the GI. I also have tumor curcumin in there because again, I talked about for me trying to detox

while you're supplementing is always my goal. So I'm looking for ingredients that I'm sourcing from different places in the world that we can clean and make sure there's no toxins in them that will go into the body to support the cellular health of the body. And so that includes detoxification because going back to that, if you don't detox, it's like putting lipstick on a pig. Okay? Then it's still a pig. Oh yeah, no, I think detoxing is so.

So. Sorry. Detoxing is so good. So this is amazing. So Dr. Ram, you know, first of all, this has been amazing. I hope we can have you back on. But for all of my podcasts, I sort of wind down my podcast the same way by asking all of my guests the same question and I'm really interested in

your answer to this. What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? To be an ultimate human it means to me to live the best life, to help as many people as possible, but also be happy. And that when I die, I will leave a legacy for my children's children and their children to have a better life on this world. That's amazing. For my audience that doesn't know you, where can they find you? Where can they find your books?

Where can they find out more about you? Dr.KristinaRom.com and then DRC- That's RAHM, guys. RAHM and then DRC Ventures is a holding company that has 29 brands under it. Are these all like- All different companies. Mutual pharmaceutical brands?

No, there's- Oh, they're not all just- We have a clothing brand to protect against pollution and EMS, regular waste. A skincare brand, an animal brand, military science brand. Military science? Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, because- What are you wearing by the way, on your neck right here? I just gotta have some, aside from being a weapon. I mean, I'm like- It is a weapon, no. No, it's a type of lapis that is protective and energetically. So it helps you, yeah, it protects the energy around you. I try to use different crystals or different stones.

I know a lot of people like diamonds, but I don't actually love diamonds. No, I'm a huge fan of stones. Yeah, so when I go to different countries, I try to buy different things. But... Energetic stones. I do. It's like that's why when I got into zeolites, it's just a crystal. Orthosilic is a silica that's a crystal, which I find fascinating.

So if you look at the Incas and Aztecs and the Egyptians, they lined their duckways. You can look into it after I leave. They lined all their water duckways, where they had all the water, with different types of zeolites. Really? Is that crazy? Yeah, probably to just absorb negative energy. Right, and to clean the water, which I think is fascinating. That's so fascinating. We probably clean the water better than we do.

Probably better than we do because ours is not doing great right now with the microplastics. That's so true. Dr. Rahm, this has been amazing. I have a VIP group that these are my most like passionate followers. And so when we leave this podcast, we're going to go into that room with my VIPs because they knew you were coming on the podcast and they've got a couple of questions for you. If you're interested in becoming a VIP, you can go over to theultimatehuman.com forward slash VIP and sign up to be one of my VIPs. That's the group I really pour myself into. You get private podcasts, we do live Q&A's.

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