The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 23. Best Water to Drink? | Impacts of Hydrogen Water On Your Gut & Brain with Dr. Paul Barattiero of ECHO H20

Episode Date: January 2, 2024

Get weekly tips from Gary Brecka on how to optimize your health and lifestyle routines - go to https://www.theultimatehuman.com/ ECHO GO PLUS HYDROGEN WATER BOTTLE https://echoh2o.com View all the research studies on hydrogen water here: https://hydrogenstudies.com/ For more info on Gary, please click here: https://linktr.ee/thegarybrecka BODY HEALTH - USE CODE ULTIMATE10 for 10% OFF YOUR ORDER https://bodyhealth.com/ultimate What is the best water to drink? We are bombarded with terms such as alkaline, purified, mineral, spring, pH levels, so in this episode we break down what this actually means and what you should be looking for in your water. Gary Brecka is joined by Dr. Paul Barattiero, the founder of Echo Technologies and the developer of Echo Hydrogen Water systems. When Dr. Paul’s wife found herself struggling with thyroid issues, gynecological issues, acute anemia, and short term memory loss, they began the search to help her heal. When some friends introduced her to hydrogen water, she began to see her symptoms improve in just a couple of days. The only problem was that no one had an answer for WHY it was working. That became the catalyst for Dr. Paul becoming one of the world’s leading experts on water and why he created a company based on hydrogen water. You’ll learn about the impact of dissolved hydrogen in your water and how it can help your gut, impact your brain, and improve your recovery times. 01:00 - Who is Dr. Paul Barattiero? 03:30 - How Dr. Paul’s wife getting sick started his study to understand the water. 10:00 - Does water pH matter? Is Alkaline water a marketing myth? 12:30 - Dissolved Hydrogen - How hydrogen water impacts our body. 16:30 - What do research studies say about hydrogen water? 18:40 - How ECHO gets hydrogen into water. 21:20 - Why adding hydrogen added to water helps your gut. 25:40 - Can hydrogen water speed up recovery time? 28:30 - How Echo gets dissolved hydrogen to stay in water. 32:45 - How long does hydrogen stay in water? 37:00 - What’s the best water to drink? 37:40 - Is there an optimal pH for drinking water? 40:00 - Is distilled water bad for you? Does it pull minerals out of you? 43:40 - How Echo hydrogen water impacts brain function. 45:50 - Why ghrelin isn’t bad and how hydrogen impacts it. 48:20 - What are studies showing about water and cancer? Gary Brecka: @garybrecka The Ultimate Human: @ultimatehumanpod Subscribe on YouTube: @ultimatehumanpodcast ECHO GO PLUS HYDROGEN WATER BOTTLE: https://echoh2o.com/?oid=19&affid=236 The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I really want to talk about water, the different types of water, impact on the body, why people should be drinking hydrogen water versus alkaline water. There's no reason legitimately why altering the pH of water would do anything for the body. So hydrogen is critical for the function of the body. Everyone talks about longevity, but let's look at the people that are over 100. What are they doing? There was nothing you could link together except for their gut bacteria. We have so many chemicals in our water today.

If there's nothing else someone can do, clean the water. Don't have your body be the filter. Buy a filter. If you don't get it out of the water before you put it in your mouth, you're forcing your body to get rid of heavy metals, pesticides, pharmaceuticals. If you want to be putting the best water in your body, period, full stop. End of story. it should be... Welcome to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, Gary Brekka, human biologist. I'm really excited about today's podcast. We go down the road of everything

anti-aging, longevity, biohacking, and everything in between that takes average humans and makes them ultimate humans. And I'm really excited because today I have one of the foremost authorities on water in the world on the podcast. I'm really blessed to have you on here. Welcome to the show, Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul has a background in alkaline water, in the world on the podcast. I'm really blessed to have you on here. Welcome to the show, Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul has a background in alkaline water, in the study of hydrogen gas, hydrogen water, water filtration systems. And I brought him on because I even get confused as a biohacker about what kind of water should I be drinking? You know, the estimates are anywhere between 60 and 80% of our biome is water. Obviously, our mitochondria use an inordinate amount of water every day to create energy,

denosine triphosphate that powers human beings. And if we're 60 to 80% water, then water's got to matter. Yes. And, you know, when I'm working with a client very often i say it's what you drink what you eat what you supplement with and what you do and if you line those four things up you're already on your way to being an ultimate human but there's so much information out there that i feel like people get paralysis of analysis i agree i mean there's filtered water there's distilled water there's alkaline water there's vitamin water there's hydrogen water so pretty soon you're like

what the heck wait a second you know they all claim to do the same thing they're all the best yeah they're all the best and and i'm not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with them but the people that tune into my podcast are the people that are really they want to go next level yes right none of them are tuning in to be average no they're tuning in to be ultimate humans and my journey around the world is about finding the the you know the right research and the right scientifically backed evidence to support any of the claims that we make that this is going to be beneficial for your health and the outcome is never to say you have

to buy my ebook or sell a product or buy a special supplement but i really want to talk about water the different types of water their impact on the body why sheep people should be drinking hydrogen water versus alkaline waters versus filter water versus carbonated water or what have you so very happy to have you on the show welcome Welcome to the show. Why don't we talk a little bit about your background and your journey to where you are now as one of the world's leading authorities on hydrogen water. Thank you, Gary. I, I always drink water, like everyone else.

I hope so. You'd be dead if you didn't. Yeah. And, you know, water to me years ago, was all about what you wash your car with what you shower in, and you drink water to me years ago was all about what you wash your car with what you shower in and you drink it right that was it that's where i was at and 10 years into my marriage i've been married 29 years now and 10 years into my marriage my wife was very sick she had thyroid issues gynecological issues very very acute anemia and short-term memory issues because of yeast we found out later but all of that was helped with water and so that's where my introduction of water came it was really in a a search a journey to help my queen be better because i was 31 years old married 10 years and was like uh what made you think that

this might be a water issue i mean those things i can see the the correlation with water but you know most people wouldn't go okay well there's no she's got gynecological issues memory issues cognitive function all kinds of maybe molds and parasites or what have you maybe it's the water yeah and i didn't i didn't even come up with that. Okay. So initially, I had some friends that had an organic food store. 911 had occurred. They lost half their business because people weren't flying to Disney World to come and they would come and stay in, you know, the timeshares or whatever, and they would get organic food from them. Okay. So they lost half

their business. They were friends, they came to me and said, can you help us out to weather this storm so we don't go out of business? I said, sure. And as a result of that, they were still struggling because it took longer than everybody thought for people to start traveling again. Sure. And so they, they eventually paid back and I said, look, don't worry about the interest. Just do the principal, right? Let's just, you know, I'm here for you guys, right? As a thank you. And that was the greatest decision I did was for giving that interest.

Where these tipping points come from. Yes. Because then they said, hey, we want to take you guys on a cruise with us out of Fort Lauderdale. We want to go on this cruise with this carnival ship, the Liberty ship. It was the maiden voyage. Okay. Nine day cruise. They brought water with them on that cruise. And I thought it was the strangest thing in the world. Wow. Why would you bring water? I actually sometimes travel with water. So I know how they, so they brought us a case for, for us. And of course I drank this water that they had started selling and believe it or not, they brought in water to their business and that's what saved their

company from a revenue perspective. Wow. They ended up having 200 people a day coming in, filling up gallon jugs of this water that was great. So they're telling me it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and headlights on cars, right, and all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, uh, I don't know anything about this. At that time in my career career i was all focused on diabetes

and not having people lose their legs or toes right and so that was my whole world was diabetes and prevention of limb basically limb salvage is what we would call it so we get on this cruise mind you my wife is on her first day of her cycle she's doubled over in pain she's going to be in my understanding she's going to be in the room for the entire cruise only two days it was a nine-day cruise so two days of that cruise she might have gotten well and i was like well that kind of stinks because i'm going to be you know not with her right right so i drink this water they bring i feel nothing i'm not levitating off the ground i'm not flouting you know sprouting wings on my back and flying right i'm not feeling anything but i was extremely healthy and have always been in my life but my wife drank the water and she said to me and she

clenched her fist and she said i can't stop drinking this my body is craving this water and i thought what wow what is okay yeah right again i wasn't there yeah right and so she started drinking the water and within two days, she was participating in the cruise and feeling amazing. And I'm like, whoa, I can't deny that. Something's here. I don't know what it is, but something. So here we're having lox and bagels at breakfast,

and I'm asking the guy, hey, what's up with this? Jack was with us. I can't deny that, right? And he goes, oh, Paul, you don't even know. Everyone's issues are going away. And he's making claim land right like he's talking and i'm like okay slow down slow down i i want to ask some questions and he couldn't answer them because he didn't know what he was selling really and so he goes hey come to my office the guy who sold me the these machines is coming he whatever so he comes i listen to him he's talking about wounds he's talking about

all kinds of stuff i go up to him and ask a question you said the water could help with wounds what's feeding the fibroblasts because now you got the hook because you're in the diabetes yes he said wound you have this and i knew about wound care and firsthand account with your wife which might have been anecdotal but now but now he's talking about your work. I couldn't deny it, right? So I knew there was something, but I'm like, what is it? So I asked him, what's feeding the fibroblasts to drop collagen in the wound bed, right? He goes, no idea.

I said, okay, you lost me. Because if you're standing up there for an hour spouting all this stuff off that it's doing and you don't know what the mechanism is shame on you right shame on you you should not be doing that because i believe it's sacred ground when you stand and lecture and are sharing information and if you haven't taken the time to understand the mechanisms and what's going on internally, you shouldn't be doing it, you should get someone who can. So they lost me, right. So, but I couldn't deny that help my wife, my wife kept going back and getting that water. Within six months, it took a six

month period, her cycle was normal. Wow. And I was like, no changes. No, other than she's added this water to her routine. And she's drinking this water exclusively. Yes. She was going to their store and getting a gallon or two at a time and coming back and drinking it. And I had no idea. So I said, whoa, whoa, you're still drinking the water? She's like, yeah.

And I'm like, well, I can't deny the effects, right? But I want to figure out what the mechanism is. Because they were telling me, oh, it's alkaline, it's alkaline. And I didn't believe. I'm like, I know it's alkaline, I can test it. But there's no reason legitimately why altering the pH of water would do anything for the body, because it's not going to get through stomach acid. And we know too, and correct me if I'm wrong, that alkaline water doesn't make the body alkaline, doesn't actually change the ph of the body or

as you said to me off camera people would die from drinking a can of soda because the ph is 1.1 right so it's actually very very very acidic yes and and here's the thing when you have water coming from an electrolysis type device the hydroxides oh minus is why the water ph increases so on one side you have h pluses which is a hydrogen ion that's going to reduce ph but it doesn't mean make it more acidic that's right and then the hydroxide will increase ph but they're not they're not stable they have no buffering capacity and in fact from a stoichiometric perspective, or a big, large equation, right, you would have to drink 10,000 liters of a pH nine water to buffer the same amount of stomach acid as a quarter teaspoon of baking soda. That's

how little buffering capacity alkaline water has. And I've been aware of this for a long time. I've always said that I'm not anti alkaline water, I just want people to understand that the alkaline water has and i've been aware of this for a long time i've always said that i'm not anti-alkaline water i just want people to understand that the alkaline water will not make their system alkaline that's right so the benefits of drinking alkaline water aren't necessarily that it makes your blood alkaline right it's probably also happens to be filtered and it's clean water and there's benefits obviously to that over drinking tap water. Right. And so, I mean, I sold in my career, before I started doing hydrogen systems, I sold thousands of alkaline systems per month because it helped my wife. And I could not deny the results.

I didn't yet understand the mechanism of why it was helping. I didn't agree it was pH. But I also didn't want to not help people because i didn't understand right everything perfectly myself so so what sort of made the transition um from alkaline water which you're kind of messing around with and you're selling alkaline water systems and to to now where you are so the king of water and you know the hydrogen water filtration systems that you that you that you manufacture which i happen to personally have i'll just disclose that i have two of them

one in each of my homes but what is it about what did you discover along this journey that made you go i've found the fountain of youth i found the source of what really water can do in the body and what was that yeah and that's exactly what I did kind of feel. I'm like, this is the Holy Grail. And what that event was is I knew my wife was being helped. I didn't understand why. I had taken literature that companies or the alkaline water people were sharing

and saying, this is why it works. And I read all of them and said this is all backwards to what i understand in water chemistry so i went to a dear friend of mine who had a phd in water chemistry from emory and i said chris will you look at all this stuff i'm i'm finding that it's all nonsense this is backwards to me but can you please look at it and of course he was staying in my house at the time he's from delaware and he says yeah i'll look at it and he came back to me and said you're right it's all backwards from what my i mean i have a phd in water i kind of know water it's all opposite of what water chemistry is and what it does except for this one study i think your answer's in here and i said what and he said look here on page 34 of this study

on this graph it's saying that this is the mechanism of healing and it's and all it was two letters dh and i said dh what is that and he said dissolved hydrogen and i was like as soon as soon as he said that i you've ever had that moment where you just feel the chills from head to toe? Now, you have to be a real geek to feel chills from head to toe from seeing the word distilled hydrogen or dissolved hydrogen. I know your pain. Yeah, I just knew because selling the alkaline systems, I knew hydrogen was on the cathode, right? You can understand water chemistry. Oxygen's on the anode.

Hydrogen was on the cathode right we you can understand water chemistry right oxygen's on the anode hydrogen was on the cathode so i always kind of felt it had something to do with hydrogen but i had nothing to say here's a definitive right now i had this study finally that showed dissolved hydrogen was what they were claiming was the reason the benefits and and it just concreted in my mind like, oh, yeah, that hunch was right. Now we know, right? So, of course, it felt true to me, which is, I think, why it affected me so much. And I said, oh, my gosh, thank you. And off I ran to go and figure out hydrogen. Well, I'll tell you what. Once I understood hydrogen and that was my topic of search, oh, my gosh,

I found stuff that was hidden oh me too thousands yeah of art peer-reviewed published clinical research articles which by the way we're going to make available sure um to to the podcast listeners i'm going to put a link below maybe in the link to your hydrogen water studies.com so if you want to read any of these studies they can i've personally read um i wouldn't say the majority of the studies on that site because there's about 1200 of them but i've read some of the big ones on parkinson's um inflammation um autoimmune i mean it is scary the positive impact that it's had it's almost like you don't want to mention it because you sound like a witch doctor but um or you know or you make claims like it's a miracle disease but crazy some of what i read on there with my

own eyes were were miracle studies and i thought they were very well conducted yeah they're very well done for sure and i even wrote down some of the ones i read i read um a study on parkinson's irritable bowel syndrome joint pain there were several on joint pain that I just found astounding where people were reporting complete remission of systemic multi-joint pathologies like pain in their joints. Especially RA. Yeah, rheumatoid arthritis. Parkinson's disease, early onset Alzheimer's and dementia,

irritable bowel syndromes. There were dozens of studies on irritable bowel syndrome. And, you know, we work with a lot of clients that have irritable bowel syndrome and fixing methylation. And we know that methylation has hydrogen byproducts, but when I read the combination of using hydrogen water with fixing people's methylation, or even just hydrogen water as a standalone is pretty pretty impressed for sure hey guys if you've been watching the ultimate human podcast for any length of time you know that one thing i do not do is push products i do not just let any advertiser into this space because i believe that the products that appear on the ultimate

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better balance of the stomach acid and it feeds an entire class of bacteria in your gut. Hydrogen water, in my opinion, is the most beneficial water that you can drink, and now you can take it wherever you go. You can go to echo, E-C-H-O, H2O.com. That's echo, E-C-H-O, H2O.com. Enter the code ULTIMATE10 for a discount. Echo H2O, enter the code ultimate 10 for a discount echo h20 enter the code ultimate 10 for a discount and now back to the ultimate human podcast i i can tell you that there are three roughly i mean 3 000 articles 1250 studies 217 or double blind human studies on 200 disease models right now before everyone freaks out and says that's too good to be true right i think we need to understand that hydrogen is supposed to be in the body and everyone needs to understand that you are supposed

to create hydrogen in your intestinal tract during the fermentation of food or digestion so before everyone says oh my gosh you know i know it's shocking but i didn't create hydrogen right it's been here for a while and if we look at the body chemistry it's all carbon hydrogen chain so hydrogen is critical for the function of the body and what i think people really need to understand is that you are supposed to create hydrogen in the gut and this is what part of flatulence is so we'll call it fart therapy or something right call it fart therapy yeah so everybody should be farting a little bit they should yeah and so what's beautiful is hydrogen is a reducer. That's its primary role. It reduces oxidation. So we know that oxidation is normal, but oxidative stress is not. And the problem why

we have so many disease models is because many people have oxidative stress and that the combination of oxidative stress and chronic inflammation is where disease comes from. Oh, no doubt. I've always said that inflammation is the root of all evil. And reducing inflammation, if we could do it systemically, obviously is not only a recipe for longevity and anti-aging, but it's also a recipe for optimal health. So now you've discovered that the key is hydrogen, right? And so now you have something to sink your teeth into. So now you've discovered that the key is hydrogen. Right. Right. And so now you have something to sink your teeth into. So now you start sinking your teeth into dissolved hydrogen. That's right.

And by dissolved hydrogen, because I know that hydrogen's in the air we breathe. It's in some of the water. It has to be in the water we drink by structure. Tell me about the journey then towards hydrogen waters, you know, specifically. Yep. So when we talk about water it is h2o so that's one of the big misnomers or misunderstandings people say well isn't hydrogen already water well it is but it's not because water is now a liquid you don't have access to the gas the

hydrogen and oxygen gas they are now a liquid so you don't have oxygen and hydrogen as a gas anymore and in water normal water you'd be drinking you have no hydrogen gas right you can have some oxygen gas from turbulence and water going through an aerator in your faucet or whatever and you you'll see some bubbles and that's oxygen because it's just mixing with air but you do not have hydrogen so what we're really doing or what you have to do is you have to break up water molecules to the h2o and get rid of the hot oxygen and just dissolve the h2 molecule just the two hydrogens which by the way is is part of what the krebs cycle does inside of our mitochondria so if we were to go

inside of a cell right and and then find the mitochondria and cycle does inside of our mitochondria so if we were to go inside of a cell and and then find the mitochondria and then go inside of the mitochondria the little motor that's spinning in the mitochondria the krebs cycle yeah is a voracious consumer of water and the first thing it does is split it apart sure it takes it pops the oxygen off and pops the hydrogens off and uses it in different parts of the cycle. Melanin can do that. You know, there are some studies out of Australia that melanin, you know, light coming through the eyes, melanin can separate water. The body is fascinating.

So we don't have excess hydrogen in the liquid water that we drink. We have none. And you're saying if we were able to get excess hydrogen in there. Yeah. And the way it should be happening to the body naturally, in our gut, our gastrointestinal tract, really, specifically in the colon, we should have predominantly anaerobic microflora. And within the family of bacteria...

Dr. Justin Marchegiani Meaning bacteria that don't use oxygen. Dr. Tim Jackson Right. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Anaerobic. Yeah. And they like fatty acids and fiber as their source of food. Whereas aerobic bacteria likes carbs and sugar, right? So people that have carbon sugar craving,

it's because they have too much aerobic bacteria versus anaerobic people that eat salads that have high fiber content and maybe have loose bowels. It's because you don't have the bacteria to process the fiber right you know and so one of the things i talk about a lot is that very often your sugar cravings are coming from your gut your gut flora you change the gut flora you change the cravings amen so what what we need and and years ago years ago I came across a study that showed that the the aerobic bacteria wants a positive electrical potential in the tissue. Anaerobic or what we call strict anaerobes.

They want a negative electrical potential. And what's perfect for them as a negative 300 to negative 400 millivolts of electrical potential. This is not electricity. It's electrical potential. It's what's called an antioxidant charge. But it's a potential. And what that does is it creates an environment or what we call a biome or terrain.

So for the terrain to be correct in the gut, it's electrical. And so years ago when I read the study, I was like, Oh, gosh, we can do that. So when we go when we process water, we can impart a negative electrical potential to water very easily, by adding hydrogen by adding hydrogen, because hydrogen is electron rich. And so we know that the ORP what's called oxidation reduction potential of water doesn't. So we know pH doesn't survive stomach acid, ORP, what's called oxidation reduction potential of water, doesn't, so we know pH doesn't survive stomach acid.

ORP, we don't believe, survives stomach acid. But hydrogen gas does. Hydrogen gas will go through the duodenum or duodenum into the small intestine and then into the colon. And when it's in the colon, it'll change the polarity back from the disrupted. So maybe this is one of the reasons why um one of the studies that i read that talked about a very positive impact on immunity yes and 70 of our immune system comes from the health of our gut for sure and so by actually improving our gut flora and gut biome

and maybe restoring some of those bacteria that don't require oxygen that specifically don't like oxygen right but can use hydrogen right that this would be linked to bolstering the immune system. So if we're able to put more hydrogens into the gut, we can restore gut flora, right, and then get the benefits of the restored gut flora, right? Because hydrogen will work to create the train. And if we look at humic acid, like a lot of probiotics and stuff is humic acid. Well, that produces hydrogen. So the reason these probiotics actually do something for us is because they're hydrogen producers.

If we look at humic acid, that's your main effort. Well, it's a Band-Aid because it's only going to last a short amount of time. You've got to keep taking the pills. If we get the terrain and the biome changed the bacteria will come back and live there and within the anaerobic microflora family we have these really cool bacteria it's called hydrogen trophs i did a dissertation on the trophs hydrogen trophs so the word hydrogen on hydrogen troph bacteria well on hydrogen yeah and it's gonna say that might have been the most boring thing in the world i loved it of course Of course. Cause I, of course you did. But what I did is I looked at 4,000 centenarians because everyone talks about

living forever and everyone talks about longevity, but let's look at the people that are over a hundred. What are they doing? And there was no food. There was no religion. There was no part of the world. There was nothing that was, that was you could link together except for their gut bacteria wow it was the one thing they all had in common because i believe longevity comes from gut oh no doubt i would absolutely support that so so if we have these hydrogen tropes which we should have when we eat fiber and fatty acids short chain and medium chain fatty acids, and then fiber, beneficial fiber, water-soluble fiber,

then those hydrogen tropes convert those fatty acids and fiber into hydrogen gas. And what's really beautiful is they will consume 30% of the hydrogen gas they've created as their own energy source, and then the rest goes either out the tailpipe or into the body through the intestinal tract to modulate our function of our body so so then simply by drinking water that's had hydrogens added we're feeding the gut bacteria we're changing the floor of our gut we're making it more hospitable to the bacteria

that are actually doing things like reducing inflammation, interrupting free radical oxidation, and possibly even bolstering the immune system and all of those things that are actually coming as a result of the gut being healed, but the hydrogen gas, you know, excess hydrogen gas is what's causing it. I also read a pretty interesting

study about athletic performance and a parabolic effect on athletic performance just by switching from filtered water or water with basic electrolytes like an electrolyte packet to water that was hydrogenated so tell me like how would it affect physical performance so based on we do have professional athletes and we have amateur and we have weekend warriors right and the study i don't know what study read but the study that i my favorite was a study on elite athletes and they were soccer players i think that's the one i read on your site it's on your hydrogen yeah it's the hydrogenstudies.com. Hydrogenstudies.com.

So these were elite soccer players, pro, and they either consumed, and they did a crossover with them. So they had placebo water or they had hydrogen water and they would change in one week intervals. And so at the end of the study, it showed there was no lactate buildup. There was no what's called exercise-induced muscle decline.

So those drinking the placebo water, which was typical water, they would have muscle decline at the normal place they thought they would from a fatigue perspective. Yeah, what we call DOMS, delayed onset muscle soreness. Yeah, and they were doing knee extensions, just so everyone knows who's listening to this. They were doing the extensions to really, yeah, to see when when were they not able to do them as well. And so at the end of the study, they showed with those

drinking the hydrogen water, there was no fatigue period, there was no lactate buildup in the muscle. There was no I mean, there was a number of biomarkers they were using. But reality was there was no fatigue and then the recovery times were much lower right and so that's what we've noticed as well with athletes is they say they can go a lot longer and where this is really beneficial of course elite athletes but also people that let's say they're they're aging and they can't get quite to a mile but they want to run a mile again they can get there with drinking our water and so you know we know too that sedentary lifestyle is now the leading cause of all-cause mortality so it means we've got a lot

of sedentary people we have a lot of obese people we also have a lot of people that don't make the choice to be sedentary but for whatever, they're physically impaired or they have an injury. So for non-elite athletes, I mean, it's still good for them to consume hydrogen water because it's going to have the benefits of the gut circulation, reduction of inflammation. So then tell me about you. You're fascinated by this study. You know that it helps your wife. You're fascinated by this study. You know that it helps your wife. You're on to hydrogen now, dissolved hydrogen.

And so now what are you doing? Trying to figure out a way to get dissolved hydrogen into water? Yes. And I was selling. It just so happened I had done research on water. I didn't choose the one that that other gentleman did, you know that that my friend had, because when I when I started testing it, I couldn't find the properties in that water. When the machines were brand new, they did have hydrogen, but then after a short time, I didn't't and so i was trying to figure out what was going on i i learned later that in the electrolysis chamber calcium and minerals in

general that are positively charged they have an affinity to the negatively charged cathode and you can get calcium buildup on the electrodes and once you have even the smallest amount on the surface you can no longer dissolve hydrogen gas because the hydrogen bubbles coalesce or group together and they're too large to dissolve. You don't have pressure forcing them in a dissolved state. So they just go out to atmosphere. And so what my first cycle was, was making sure that we had hydrogen in a in a nano size small bubble so

that they would dissolve in a flow through machine with no added pressure and so through through this process there was a patent created with some engineers that that we were working with that reversed the polarity of the electrodes every time you turn the machine. So this was the first thing we did. Okay. And that made it impossible for calcium to build up. So you could keep hydrogen in an alkaline system. Because what we were understanding is the pH didn't matter, but the hydrogen did, right. But we didn't know how to make hydrogen without making pH water

initially, meaning without making pH water initially. Meaning without making alkaline water. Right. We didn't know how to have the hydrogen gas. But we then knew how to have the hydrogen gas always instead of two weeks, which is what the other machines were doing, is after two weeks there would be enough calcium buildup that unless you cleaned the machine, you wouldn't have any hydrogen gas anymore. So you wouldn't lose the benefits.

And people were telling us, yeah, I felt amazing when I got the machine. But after about two weeks gas anymore so you wouldn't lose the benefits and people were telling us yeah i felt amazing when i got the machine but after about two weeks or so i just it doesn't feel the same until i clean it and once i clean it i feel great again and we're like huh what's going on well we were what we learned is that the hydrogen goes away because the calcium builds up so we had to figure that out initially quite honestly the engineers did the reversing polarity to save the electrode life. Right. Because once the calcium's on there, they overheat.

And we didn't know it was hydrogen. But luckily, it also kept the hydrogen in the water. And so we just figured out. It wasn't like we were brilliant. We were just trying to fix one problem, and we fixed two. Right. And so that was huge. Well, fast forward years later, I created Echo in 2009, 2010, 2011, with a focus on hydrogen as the conversation,

because now we have the patent that makes it, so we'll always have hydrogen in alkaline water. Right. And then it was a few years later that I created the first machine, the Echo 9 Ultra, which combined the alkaline and acid water so that you'd have a neutral pH. And then I ran it through a filter so we could get rid of the hypochlorous acid that was created in the acid water.

So now we would have a nice tasting water that was hydrogen and neutral pH. That was the first generation of machine I created back in 2014. Okay. So that was the Echo 9 Ultra. And we figured out some things and then said, oh, let's do it even better. And that's what led to the ultimate machine that we have today, which makes four different types of water. But in that process, we created a module,

what we call the hydrogen module that uses a proton exchange membrane, where the cathode never touches water ever. So you can't get calcium buildup. Okay. And what we're really doing now is we're harvesting hydrogen and oxygen. We're sending oxygen back out to the environment. And we're dissolving in a venturi circuit or a dissolving chamber, just hydrogen and mixing it with the pure water so when you drink this hydrogenated water um you know number one what could somebody expect to feel and number two how long does the hydrogen stay in the water because i you know sometimes i go to you know 7-eleven and i see there's a lot of hydrogen water

now um which i assume is valid um some of it comes like a squeeze pack yeah some of it comes in in aluminum canisters um you know my experience tells me that you can't really dissolve gas in a water right um but maybe you can if you dissolve it to such a particle size it just stays in there and then um so once somebody let's say puts one of these under their countertop or gets um fills a glass with hydrogen water how long is it viable hey guys i think the most important website you may ever go to is the ultimate human.com that's the ultimate human.com because on this website we can directly interact with one another you can give me suggestions for podcast guests

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is going to go and and it's three to five hours for half which would still be a therapeutic concentration with our water okay so six to eight hours would be your max and so if people aren't drinking glass water in six to eight hours, we have to Yeah, we have filled up and drink it for six to eight hours. But the reality is, if you put it in a container, and this is the problem, there are people and companies trying to sell hydrogen water. Hydrogen is number one on the periodic periodic table. It's so tiny tiny it'll go through metal glass plastic it goes through because it's so tiny if we put it in a bottle that's sealed with no airspace

no path of least resistance for hydrogen to go up into the airspace you can only lose 0.1 parts per million per day and this is just a round number it's not exact science because it would have to do with the volume and temperature and you'd have to get a lot of equation right for boyle's law basically sure boyle's law governs how long a dissolved gas will stay in a liquid at whatever atmosphere you're at so is there any validity to um hydrogen water that you could get at the supermarket or is it probably lost a lot of it the ones that i have tested which is not all of them but i the ones that i've tested do not have the concentration that was claimed and they're very careful to say that at time of there will

be an when it talks about parts per million there'll be an asterisk, and it'll say down on the fine print at time of production. Okay. So there's only one substrate that's been identified that holds hydrogen in, and that's an aluminum, very thin aluminum sheeting. It kind of looks like the bubble gum wrapper. Remember from Wrigley's gum from years ago? Sure. And so that's why the flexible containers that that that are there the problem is

the top is plastic right so it's going to go through that eventually anyways because you don't have the film entirely wrapping i see the whole thing trapping the gas in there so the ones that i've tested don't have the concentration and quite honestly it's way more expensive to pay five bucks for 12 ounces of water right i mean imagine if gas was that expensive people losing their minds so i i created like sport bottles years ago that you have a rechargeable battery you can just put clean water in it this is one of them right here right yeah yeah so you you know you you can just push push the button and you can see hydrogen going in i can see it and then out the bottom is a port i've got this one too yeah oh there is there's a port out the bottom yeah right there you see the little be

breathing that yeah yeah there you go oh that feels great so that's creating hydrogen water and and what is the parts per million or the concentration that's in here? So there's two time cycles. There's a five minute and a 10 minute. Five minutes will give you two and a half parts per million. 10 minutes is up to four and a half parts per million. We tested it through gas chromatography. Again, we always do that. But I mean, it's tons of hydrogen.

I do notice when you open this after a while. A little bit of a pressure. Yeah, you can hear it pop. So that means that a little bit of hydrogen has gotten out but there is still some that's oh there's yeah there's plenty dissolved in them yeah so for somebody that only wants to you know the best they want they're they're like i want to drink the best water for my body um what are this slightly alkaline that is also hydrogenated i wouldn't say the ph matters at all in fact what would be better for their stomach is even slightly below seven would be fine if we look at

the water on the earth it's five and a half to 8.4 ph coming out of the ground it depends on the mineral content right your ph is typically because of mineral content or in electrolysis devices it's hydroxides. And so no real truth to higher the pH, the healthier the water. Not at all. I'm glad that we're dispelling that myth. Yeah. I mean,

in fact, in fact, it can be harmful. When I was selling machines, about 15% of the population have what's called a Hertzheimer effect when they drink water, because it throws their system out of balance. Right.

If we understand our body, our stomach is highly acid. I mean, bile is 1.5 pH. And so putting a... And so let's look at the environment, which should be like a 3, 3.5 pH with gastric juices. You put a 9.5 pH, you're going to... Any buffering that's done at all can be harmful for people who can't produce hcl okay because the stomach is

going to immediately dump hcl in to reduce the ph again and if you can't produce hcl you and you give someone alkaline water you just put a burden on them right because you're now putting alkaline water past the duodenum you're putting alkaline well even in the stomach yeah the body can't help itself but it's trying to write itself to put the ph down so you can break things down so hydrogen so if you had a neutral ph water yeah that was highly hydrogenated yeah that's your perfect that's your perfect water for brain for gut for immune for energy. That's really what you need. And I want to emphasize on clean water because we have so many chemicals in our water today. It's shocking. It's shocking.

And so if there's nothing else someone can do clean the water, don't have your body be the filter. I say it all the time. I filter right by a filter and get the stuff out of water you don't because if you don't get it out of the water before you put it in your mouth you're forcing your body to get rid of heavy metals pesticides pharmaceuticals blood pressure medication you know all kinds of stuff that's in the water i read the study recently on on the amount of pharmaceuticals in the water i always knew about glyphosate and obviously chlorine fluoride i want to get out of the water bacteria I always knew about glyphosate, obviously chlorine, fluoride,

I wanna get out of the water. Bacteria, viruses, of course, we wanna get those out of the water, but microplastics now, and even trace elements of pharmaceuticals that have gone down the sewer. Treatment plants are not really effective at getting those out,

and then it comes back out of our faucet, and you're drinking all that. Does the filtration system that you have essentially distill the water and then add the hydrogen no it just cleans it i do like i mean distilled water in the medical community has always been the gold standard for water because typically a patient's coming in with issues you don't want to introduce more issues into the body and chase down issues. Right. And so typically they would use distilled water because it's pure. So they would know we're not introducing any other, you know, aggravator effectively.

We're not adding something else. Can't distilled water also pull like electrolytes and things out of the tissue and eventually high volumes of distilled water could be bad for you? That is one of the many misnomers that's not true ah okay so you have you have this belief system and even some naturopaths doctors and things believe it because they've heard it so much but it's completely untrue that reverse osmosis or distilled water will pull the minerals out of you. And let's have fun with that because I love having fun with it. Let's have a little fun with that.

If you drank water and it's supposedly pulling the minerals out of you, where are they going? Because the water is still in you. I mean, you're mostly water. So where's that going and number and really why why would the water need those minerals so badly that it would pull it out of you like it doesn't make any sense because the body needs it but the water doesn't need minerals right and and so that that's the second point is water doesn't need minerals water is perfectly stable at h2o by itself right and i mean it's

really only h2o at ph of seven right right if you change phs it's not really h2o it's mixtures of other things but the reality is the minerals in water is not what we need anyways because they're inorganic minerals right it's because the the water has gone across the earth or from a mountain or rain or whatever and it's picking up minerals from soil and that is from rock so these are not meant i mean unless people are licking rocks or sucking on rocks i don't know but the point is minerals we need are from food vegetables that are growing on the earth will pull up the inorganic minerals, right, and make it organic. And we're not talking organic, like pesticide, we're talking about the state of the minerals. We need organic minerals, because

that's what is bio available to us, right? We should not be counting on water as our as our mineral source, right at all, because they're inorganic minerals from rock so and then my fourth point is how do we know for a fact that this idea that reverse osmosis or distilled water is not going to leach minerals from you well if you go to seattle and you test the total dissolved solids in water it's about five tds which is lower than most ro water okay so lower the most reverse osmosis the tap water that you're going to get in your house in seattle washington is three to five tds because it's coming from a mountain that has granite there's nothing to get

in the water because granite's so hard you're not you're not picking up lime you're not picking up calcium so theoretically that would strip minerals out of your body if it yeah and we would see we would see everyone sick right in seattle but you also have south carolina north carolina atlanta georgia that have almost no minerals in their water naturally okay and so we just are not seeing these trends in health challenges or crisis in those areas and so and then you go to you go to switzerland you go to Germany, about half of Germany, you have no minerals, the other half you do, you know. But you don't see differences. You don't see, we don't see them. So then, you know, the big takeaway from this is that if you want to be putting the best water in your body, period, full stop, end of story, it should be hydrogenated water it's water with excess hydrogens to feed

gut flora for bacteria for inflammation for its oxidative reduction potential for your brain yeah you know we we do what's called eeg i'm sure you do we have a brain master 21 channel you know eeg that we can use in our office and and then and i used a doctor in tampa who does brain mapping as well okay and he took 10 patients and one of them was a 62 year old female he did nothing else but give her 16 ounces of echo water our water and within three minutes he saw a 32 change in plasticity of the brain wow 58 percent normalization of alpha and beta waves and then when you look at the actual graphics it's beautiful because you went from almost a full red in the brain which was high

function you know the brain's overworking to green which was normal function wow and it was three to five minutes so we we see that change in individuals with whether it's a neurologic or just add or adhd or whatever they will say oh i feel more clear right now i actually notice when i travel and i'm not able to drink hydrogen water i do notice it yeah it's one of the reasons why i just got a system for my place in colorado because we spend so much time out there and i drink the water right out the glacier it's awesome glacier fed spring water which is great and i know that the water is healthy but yes again and you know for those people that just want to go next level yeah um with their water a hydrogen water system will add the excess hydrogens that can actually have

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because it'll say, like, disease-modifying effect with Parkinson's disease. I mean, it's pretty strong language. But I want everyone to understand, it's not hydrogen actually going to the brain. It's gastric ghrelin. So you have leptin and ghrelin. Ghrelin is a master hormone in the body. A lot people call it the hunger hormone the hunger hormone yeah um but what actually is intriguing about ghrelin is it everything from circadian rhythm to you name it

ghrelin's involved if you were to just go on wikipedia and type in g-h-r-e-l-i-n ghrelin you would spend a year doing a topical study on everything ghrelin affects in the human body wow and the the most effective way to selectively stimulate gastric ghrelin is hydrogen wow better than atenolol a better than mixing atenolol with i, there are ways they've looked at getting more ghrelin into the brain. And literally when you drink water with hydrogen gas and it hits your stomach within three minutes, the ghrelin secretions, what's called striatial ghrelin, right? We'll go to the hippocampus, the hypothalamus and the brain stem.

Wow. And it begins to have brain function be peak wow you'll you know so that's one of the first things people say is is yes it increased my energy because you're offloading the mitochondria from hydroxyl radicals that was that was the first study in 2009 that nature medicine published was that hydrogen was a selective antioxidant and what it means by selective is that it only reaches and reacts with cytotoxic oxygen radicals it never it never touched the radicals that have a physiological role it only combated with the cytotoxic or cell amazing i've never actually heard that term selective cytotoxic radicals meaning that it's only going after the ones that are causing inflammation that are causing cellular damage

because we we sort of know now that aging is a mitochondrial disease right it's a progressive decline in mitochondrial function so then theoretically anything that improves mitochondrial function either delays or reverses the aging process, which sounds like this does. Well, yeah, telomere, you have huge benefits with telomeres. Hydrogen water in a healthy cell will lengthen telomeres, which you want. In a cancer cell, it'll shorten them because you want a haystack. You don't want those cells duplicating.

The other major thing, there's 11 117 cancer studies and what it talked about was that it benefited apoptosis which is a cellular death natural natural cellular yeah cells that are duplicating incorrectly it destroys well somehow cancer turns off apoptosis and so hydrogen returns it back on and it's very very very beautiful. So Paul, at the end of every podcast, I ask all of my guests a secret question. It's not so secret now. It's all over the internet. But the question is, what does being an ultimate human mean to you? That's a good question.

That's a good question. And there's no right or wrong answer. Don't get me wrong. I would say being the ultimate, to me, being the ultimate human being is serving, loving, and lifting others. Wow. And forgiveness. I would tell you so many people try to hold claim.

Serving, loving, lifting others, and forgiveness. Yeah. That's going to be a tough one to beat. That's a good one. Well, I just say so many people are hurt intentionally, unintentionally, and they want to hold claim on that person for that damage, right? For that harm that they're doing. And forgiveness goes both directions.

It frees both, right? And I think so many people are dealing with difficulty to forgive others for abuse or harm. And it affects them. And I don't think they understand how much it affects them from a health perspective from a mental place. And I'm not saying it's not difficult, because people do some really harmful things to each other on this planet we live on. But I would say if we learn how to forgive and just understand we're all messed up, we all do stuff to hurt each other intentionally,

unintentionally. And if we can learn how to forgive and allow people on their journey. Wow. That's amazing. Well, I mean, this has been amazing, Paul.

I mean, I feel like we could sit here for two more hours, but I try to keep these podcasts to 60 minutes or less so that people can listen to it on their commute. If you'd like more information on the hydrogen water filtration system or just links to the studies that we discussed on the podcast today or even links to all 1,250 of the hydrogen water studies, I'll make sure that I put the link down below, and you're welcome to wander around those studies like I did. I probably read six or eight of them in depth myself. I only read the human trials. There were a lot of rat models on there, but I also read the human trials.

I did read the one on the soccer players. So I hope you guys found this podcast beneficial. This is Dr. Paul from Echo Hydration Water Filtration Systems, and I look forward to seeing you guys next time. It's just science.