The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 257. Kori Sampson: On Sobriety, Ultra Endurance, and Reality TV

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

The moment you realize thousands of young men are watching your every choice, the game changes entirely, and Kori Sampson wouldn’t have it any other way. This conversation goes beyond the miles and into the meaning: why winning the Amazon Games felt strangely hollow, how running 800k across England finally delivered the peace he’d been chasing through drugs, achievements, and external validation for a decade.  CLICK HERE TO BECOME GARYS VIP!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Kori Sampson Website: https://www.ifit.com/kori-sampson YouTube: https://youtube.com/@korisamps?si=Bbnh2FFOHqdwoaLY Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/korisampson/?hl=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Korisampson96/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@korisampson X: https://x.com/KoriiSampson Thank you to our partners A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD AIRES: "ULTIMATE20 " FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV CARAWAY: “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC H2TABS: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn RHO NUTRITION: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 SNOOZE: LET’S GET TO SLEEP!: https://bit.ly/4pt1T6V WHOOP: JOIN & GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW Watch  the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 ​Intro of Show 02:49 Suffering from Addiction despite His Fame 10:12 Kobi’s Sobriety and Ultra Marathon Journey 21:33 Achieving Peace from His Mindset Shift  26:30 Good vs. Bad Stress 30:34 Younger Generation Engaging in Health Practices 34:08 Ultra-Distance Athlete Training and Nutrition 38:38 Breath Carb Test 43:32 What’s Next for Kori? 46:08 Impact on Career with His Athletic Performance 52:58 What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human? Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation.  Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You hear it all the time with links to trauma to ultramarathans. You have to be able to take a punishment and a bit of a beating. So I think when you've had a certain amount of stress, you've built up this resilience. There's also a lot of science around doing hard things, how the brain actually grows and creates new neuronal pathways. And stress can be good or bad. Exercise is in extreme stress, but you strengthen and respond.

The harder the stuff that I do, and the more I prove to myself like I can do these things to feel like I've deserved credit for what I do. People put off exercise to focus everything on their business. They don't realize that their superpower is still locked inside them. Physical feats can actually unlock that. You've got all this money and everything, and you're not doing what you need to do. That impact that I can have means a lot more than getting a medal in a race.

So how do you maintain an ultra-distance athlete training schedule and then still keep a physique? I've lost my legs a little bit with the running, but yeah, I try to. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breka, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Today's guest is someone very, very special, so appropriate with the journey that my son is on, but he's ultra-marathoner, has an amazing story. I can't wait for him to share it with us. Welcome to the podcast, Corey Sampson.

Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. We ran an awesome little workout in London when I was there. And then it was crazy was this morning, 6.30 in the morning I'm over working out with my son. And his gym is under his house, so it's outside. I was just running down there. And you're just randomly ran by. And you're like, Corey?

And I was like, no way. Yeah, I didn't. We had no idea. We were just trying to find a good spot for some like filming, lighting. And we were trying to find the water. And we were like, oh, there's a little island that like, we run that way. And yeah, we just patched you. It was so, because I didn't know who he was yelling at.

And he started screaming, Corey. And then all of a sudden, I saw you stop. And I'm like, dude, we're running a podcast in two hours. Yeah, no, it's. So at least we know we practice what we've reached, right? Exactly. Yeah. And I was meeting one person in Miami

and I bumped into you, which is quite crazy, isn't it? So, and I mean, this is one little house. I mean, and if you know anything about Miami, it's pretty, pretty dense. One little house with one little gym under it. And you just came cruising by right when we were working out. And we only met like a couple weeks back, right? But I wanted to, when you was like, oh, if you're ever in Miami, like, let's make it work.

I was like, I'm very much like, things don't get done unless you do them, right? So I was like, or I'm in LA next week. I'll just fly in on the way home. Yeah. So, yeah. Well, I'm glad. came by. You know, I talk about this all the time on my podcast and there's a sort of a theme that runs through a lot of my guests and I find that some of the most impactful, passionate,

purpose-driven people have solved some kind of problem. And, you know, whether it's a mother that has a child that had autism or somebody with a crippling Lyme disease or, you know, and they just couldn't find help in the normal medical system or maybe with somebody that overcame drug or alcohol addiction like jelly, You know, his client of mind. You think about the number of people that he's inspired, not just through his music, but through his personal journey, right?

And he talked about how this sort of pain to purpose journey that he went on, you know, where he, you know, he was, you know, it's for public information. Alcohol addiction, had a drug addiction, had a marijuana addiction, and a music addiction, thankfully. And addiction in general. Addiction in general, yeah.

And I just, I just, I just wonder if, you know, for you, because I don't think anybody wakes up one day and says, I want to be an ultra-marathoner or I want to be an ultra-endurance athlete. Yeah. And you just won the Amazon games and got a quarter million dollar. I fit contract. Congratulations. So maybe I should charge you to be on the podcast because you're all freaking loaded now.

It doesn't go very far out here. It doesn't go far out here. And I'm sure the UK takes their fight out of those taxes, too. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't prize money. So because it was a contract, it's still taxable. right. If you win some TV shows, if you win prize, you get all the money. It's untouchable. Because it's a contract, I got taxed on it.

Oh, man. And my agency that I work with takes their cut in. Dirty scoundrels. They should have given you to his prize money. I know, I know, I know. Yeah, no. Yeah. So to be fair, like, everything I've kind of done, kind of built up to me being ready to be the best I could on that, which is quite nice. But yeah, I think there's like, you hear it all the time with, like, links to trauma to, like, ultramarathans. And I think what the, what the thing is like, you have to be able to take a punishment and a bit of a beating. So I think when you've had like a certain amount of like stressed, you've built up this resilience. But I read something really interesting about this

the other day. It was on how bad you want it. It's a sports psychology book. Really good. And one of the chapters talks about this. But there was a guy that's like a top of his game in Tour de France, but he kept on losing near the end of each race. He ended up winning in the end, like 30. years. Like he was he lost the most amount of times. He lost the most amount he lost the most he like he didn't win but he'd come like second like twice and he didn't win so many. He was the the longest standing person to win after losing so many. But basically like his thing was he he had like the perfect childhood the perfect like entry into sport like really young on the bike got scholarships did all this stuff. He didn't have any like hardship to help build his resilience. So he suffered on the club.

the climbs, the like the pressure, that was his thing. And I think there's apparently there's, so in the book it says there's like there's two sides of it. If you have too much trauma, it's like scar tissue and it's like sometimes it just completely wipes you out. But I think there's like a bit of a middle ground where I was like, I didn't have like a bad childhood. But I think like with same as jelly roll with drinking drugs, probably not at the extent he was and I kind of checked myself quite early. But I had a very addictive personality and I went through all these different things. And I think that resilience I built up getting over that. And what I went through with it is help me in sport.

Because I mean, I think a lot of it is, you know, the circle that you're in, right? I mean, at that time, you were a male model, right? And in fact, you were on the show. What was the show called The Sexiest? Too hot to handle. So I did a bit of reality. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, you're a handsome man. Thanks. So, I mean, you. you have, you know, you're young, you're handsome, you're on this reality TV show, you probably experienced some level of stardom and celebrity and, and, you know, then it's like, well, what's next and drugs and alcohol are there? They're very, yeah, pressure. Pressure. Pressure, very available. You get like, you know, you've got events Monday to Friday with afterparties and free tables in clubs and all that stuff. So where I already was

fighting something a little bit, it was almost like a bit of a downhill spiral if you, if you let it be. And yeah, I think that's what it was. But I was quite, before I went on the show, I was still quite bad, like back home with,

with drinking drugs. And mainly drugs, I think I moved to London when I was like 18, did a couple years, like did a year at uni, didn't really get on with it, but started raving and partying then.

And then went back home, kind of took them bad habits with me. Nothing else to do. Was a bit bored. Like, didn't really enjoy what I was doing with my work, wasn't satisfied. It was a bit like,

I always thought at, like, in my head, I always had this belief that I was a bit destined for something greater than what I was doing. And I think that was the catalyst for what I wanted to do. I used to look at the YouTube bodybuilders or when I was bodybuilding. And like, I was looking at them people like, how can I get a lifestyle like that? It's like the freedom, financial freedom, the whatever it was, respect or attention or money,

whatever it is. And I think I was really unhappy with my situation. So I was taking it out of myself trying to escape it on the weekend. And then it was every Friday, Saturday. Then it was Thursday to Sunday. And do you know what I mean? And it got progressively worse. And then yeah, the same thing went on TV thought it would change things. Now I had money. But it was more like more opportunity to do these things. Which made it worse. So I was kind of like treading a bit of a line. And I just kind of

got sick of kind of being guilty and the shame that I like attached to it because I knew I was like, I could be doing something better with myself even when I got to that point where at one point I was like, that's like the greatest thing ever, like my pinnacle or whatever it is, like to be in that position. And then I was like, actually, I'm not happy still. Yeah. What's wrong? What's not? I don't Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I saw a documentary on the two-time Olympian snowboarder, Sean White. And he talked about he won his first Olympic gold medal. He was happy. Or he was, he was depressed afterwards. he won his second Olympic gold medal

and he was unhappy afterwards then he lost in his third Olympic Games and was the happiest he'd ever been and and you know he talked about just the the pressure and that it was okay for somebody else to kind of move into that position and and I think so many people

because you get into a lifestyle like you had and a lot of it is also who you choose to surround yourself with so getting out is not that easy right? Because you're you're leaving friends behind. You're leaving your, you're leaving your sphere, behind. I mean, a good friend of mine used to say, he's a billionaire and he used to say, you show me the five people that you hang around with the most. I will tell you exactly where you'll be in three years. Well, the five people I was hanging around with at the time are still doing the same thing now, five years later. Yeah. Each to their own, like, they're happy doing

that. But like, yeah, I had to change my environment. I even, like, I lived with friends and it was like easy to get caught out in going out and there's always an event or something happening especially if there's three or four of you that have different opportunities then you drag each other into it right so I was like right first thing I was when I was going sober was like I need to move out get my own place like to be it had to change didn't really see people for like six months maybe now I can kind of like go out and see them and I'm like I don't have to drink I don't have to feel pressured to do anything and you just have to reshape your whole relationship with it before you can do that.

But you made the choice to like really pull the plug. Change your environment. Change your friend's circle. Change where you lived. Just to put yourself in the best position to succeed. And how did that translate into? Because I still don't think anybody wakes up one day and says, I want to be an ultra-endurance athlete.

Yeah. Do you know what? It took me a year to go sober. A year of trying to go sober. So be like a month on. Yeah, like couple of months. I'd be like, so I actually did a charity boxing match, like a bit of a influencer kind of thing.

So that was the start of that year. I did two, three months of just training and stuck to it, did the fight, then went out for the weekend and went missing for two days. And then it was like the same thing. I'd do two months and then I had a holiday planned and then the holiday would be like three, four days. And then it kept on being like that. But I signed up to do London Marathon.

So I started running in- Is that your first marathon? Yeah. Okay. I was running in lockdown. When I was a kid, I actually ran a half when I was 16 in an hour and 30. minutes and I trained for it, worked hard, did it. And then I just stopped running. And I was really gutted. I did because I'd be so much better now with like another 10 years under my belt. But

yeah, so I did, I started running lockdown because the gyms was shot, wanted something for my head, got quite addicted to it pretty fast. I was like, this is actually quite good. Like I'm enjoying it. I'm pretty good at it. It like everyone was trying to run 20 minute 5K and I did it like 22 minutes of first 5K around. And I was like, maybe I should try to get it. And it was like chasing that progress. So I had two years of that and obviously still living the party last style I was doing. Then I was like, right, I want to run London. So I signed up for that.

That was three years ago. And two weeks before, I'd done this 16 week training block and I was so like regimented with it. Had a 30th birthday party in Ibiza, which is a visa. Beezer is a dangerous place to go. And I was like, right, I'm not going to drink or do any drugs. And it was like five days of like carnage. And then two weeks later, I ran the marathon.

And I was like, and I did it quite a good time. I got like 318, my first marathon. And like, I like enjoyed doing it. I pushed really hard. Like in training, I ran 30K easy, like pace. Like I didn't run anything near what I should have been doing. And I still did quite on. And I was like, instead of being like,

oh, I can get away with still doing this, I was like, what happens if I go all in and don't? And then it led to like one thing led to the other and then kind of ended up where I'm now. Yeah, but I mean, And then that marathon sort of set the hook to like ultra distance. Because when you've done hundreds, you've done even further distance. Yeah. You know, my son talks about this sort of pain cave that he goes into.

And I think at some point, if you're running 100 miles or if you run more than 100 miles, even in a marathon, you reach that wall where like every fabric of your being wants to stop. You know, your body's telling you to stop. Your brain's telling you to stop. I've heard a lot of ultra- I've never run 100 miles but I've run a marathon but I've heard

ultra-marathoners Moab 240 guys yeah we talk about how your brain like starts playing tricks on you 100% you could just stop and sit down over here on this rock

or even your body will like lie in a sense that it's really hurting like too hurting that's what a lot of like pain reception like if you get inflammation in your knee it's like

your body is just going oh something's wrong like stop so it yeah and if you push through it the pain goes away and it shifts somewhere else anyway. You start running a bit different. And then especially with the really long stuff.

But yeah, I think the nice thing about running 100 miles and stuff is you can actually stop. You can have a minute. Yeah. But then you've got so much like opportunity to kind of push through that. I think so the first long thing I did was five days. I did 220K in Africa. 220. Yeah.

So it was just after I did London Marathon. I went and ran a trail race, a marathon in France. I did a fast, another fast one. And then I was like, a year later, I ran 220. And every day was the longest I'd ran from day three. So I did 50K, 60K, 50K. And I'd only ran 40 something K before that. And I blew up on the second day, like my knee went and I was like really struggling. And I pushed through like this pain for like five days, like eight, nine hours a day. And the third, fourth day, a world cop, it was my birthday, two a m in a tent in Africa, hadn't slept well, was like in so much pain

getting my blisters wrapped and all that stuff and I got going and I was like crying while I was running I was on my own in the dark I was going really slow like people were overtaking me I hadn't seen because I was so injured

and I was just like I don't think I can do this I think I need to pull out like and then I was making all these excuses like oh it's fine because I can go back and do the last day and I still finish but I don't get a competitive time

or whatever it is like I've done enough like this is a forever I ran and then I remember getting to the first aid station sat down and I was like, yeah, I'm, I'm checked out. I'm not doing this. And then I think like, just sat there and I was like, do you know what? Let's try to get to the next one. And I was like, like, fuck it. Like it is what is. I walk for a bit and see what happens and took a painkiller. Started running. And then all of a sudden the sun come up, started feeling a bit down. I was like,

why was I, I like beat myself. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Now whenever things get tough, I always go back to that one moment where it was like, I quit, but I didn't actually quit. Yeah. And now I'm like, if I can push through that. it's same thing's going to happen again and I'll just push for that. Yeah. Do I mean? If your energy is low during the day, the problem usually started the night before. Sleep affects focus, mood, metabolism, literally everything.

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Like, you're not thinking about cars and watches or, you know, who's following your Instagram post. like none of those things that like trouble us and stress us during normal daily life and he's like you know I guess he only experiences it during that you know that pin cave what he calls it and and being able to like build a mind that's strong enough to go through something like that um is applicable to so many other areas of life it makes everything else seem so easy but I don't really get stressed out about much and things don't really bother me that much I'm quite like generally at like a nice level. Yeah. And I, even my partner, like certain things, she'll get really, like, upset about something called like, react, like, really fast to something. I'm like, it's not

the end of the world. Yeah. And I like, there was, um, Shaquille O'Neal had a, did a, um, like a talk before, like on a podcast maybe. And I remember seeing it. And his dad, he said he was having a bad game. And he was like, throwing his toys out of the prom. And they'd lost to someone. And his dad was like, come see us, like fly back home. And then he flew back home. And he's like, right, we're going out at 6 a.m. And he said he went out and they were dead silent in the car and he drove and he was driving and they parked up there was like a tent under a bridge and homeless people. And then this guy got out like they waited like a couple hours, son come up, guy come out and then his wife holding a baby. And he said he said turn around to him and he was like,

you think you're under pressure like that's pressure. Like that's hard. Like you athletes are like you've got all this like money and everything and you're like, you're like, you're like you're not doing what you need to do. Like, it's not that hard. And that's what I always think now. I'm like, I could be way worse, in a way worse position than I'm in,

especially with like social media and like, if anyone's like, oh, do you like struggle with the negative comments? Yeah. I'm like, come on, man. Like, like, what do you mean? Like, I'm like so grateful to be in a position I'm in,

which I lead with when I do all this stuff. And I had a friend that broke his back, a couple years back. And he's in a wheelchair now. And he's been in and out of hospital with, yeah, he had sepsis at one point. and he's like best friend from school we grew up together his job was cutting trees so he fell out

his tree surgery he fell out of tree broke his back and you know he's got like a bit of an insurance thing and he's like can live comfortably he doesn't have to like whatever but he'd give anything to do what I can do with my body and even says it to me sometimes like mate I love you but like sometimes I see some of your stuff and it like actually upsets me a little bit like I can't do that anymore right so I always think now I'm like I get to do this like when things get hard on climbing a mountain and my back's hurting. It's not that fucking bad. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love that.

It's going to be over in a day. There's so much evidence to for, I used to think that this was really granola like tree hugger way out there in the cosmos shit. But like you know, when people talk about journaling and practicing gratitude and reconnecting

with your faith and for me, that's one of the biggest parts of my day is I always will find like six, eight, 10 minutes. I get outside, I do a little breathwork. I let some sunlight hit my skin. I look, you know, I just do some horizon gazing.

But it was always really hard for me for years and years and years to sit in silence. Yeah. And just be alone with my own thoughts. And now I just do a little exercise of like, you know, what are two or three things that happened to me yesterday that I'm just grateful for? And now like my body like, it's weird. It almost craves them. let's get out on the balcony and think about what we're grateful for.

And I think that mindset matters. You know, I mean, you have the discipline to just cold turkey, eventually stop the drinking, change your friend's, you know, your friend group, get into a new place, start training, get into this addiction of training. I'm going to just call it that. Yeah, that's what I, yeah, that's what I, it's another drug. Like, feeling good is, yeah. Yeah, feeling good is a drug, right?

Like we talked about it when you got here. Yeah. I was actually a little late to me because I was in a cold blood. And I'm like, that's my drug of choice. Like, nothing makes me feel better for longer. So I do it every time before I come on a podcast. But for you, like, that shift in mindset. So now you're an ultra-endurance athlete, what a good one I might add.

And I think that you're setting an example for the younger generation. I love to see this, like, you know, the Nelk boys ran the 100K with my son or the 100-1. Boys are like game, were game streamers. Yeah, game streamers, doing pranks. And they still do pranks, but like, having into like the alcohol, the party scene. And as they got older, they, you know, their mindset is matured. But one of the things Kyle talks about, Kyle Forgard, who ran the hundred with my son, is the number of touch points in his life that have been positively affected by this,

just doing this 100 mile race. And I'm wonder if you might shed some light on that. Like what are some of the touch points in your life? What else has improved since? Do you know what's funny? You started the sport. When I ran, so I ran 800K across England. 800K?

Yeah. So I did Land's End, which is the most south. So a lot of people would do joggle, which is the whole country upwards. But because I grew up in Devon, which is down the south. And I live in London. I wanted to run through both. So I ran from south to south west to the most east. Okay.

So two marathons a day, 80K a day, 10 days. Two marathons a day? Yeah, I did 80 kilometers a day. Every day for 10 days. Yeah, 50 miles for 10 days. So 500 miles. Wow. And it was hell.

Like two days in, it was the hardest thing I'd ever done onwards. And it was the longest. I think after that 220 was the furthest I'd gone. So two or three days in, I think I got to the furthest I'd ran. And everything after that was just like a battle. Yeah. Every step is a PR. Yeah. It got easier as it went on.

I think five, six days in, I kind of went over the hardest bit. Also, there was loads of elevation. But the one thing, so I did it for a men's mental health charity. And that was great, like raising the money. And there was a couple of things I didn't realize that was happening, which kind of added to this. But I didn't find like the fulfillment I was kind of looking for doing it. I built it up to be this huge thing.

Like achievement would like solve. all my problems would feel amazing, did it, and it was just like, like, kind of flat. I was just like, I was done now. What's like, not what's next, but like, I don't know, there was something a bit missing out of it all. Yeah. And after like really reflecting on it and chatting to a couple people like different, like a sports therapist and other people like that and kind of just like unpacking

it a little bit more, I actually went on holiday like three weeks later. And it was the first time I've been on holiday and I've actually just like not. thought about work, not thought about social media, not like put pressure on myself to do content or to what's the next race or like I had no like expectation set about what I was going to do next. I cancelled something I was going to do later in a year because I was like, I had a bit of I actually couldn't really bend both of my ankles fully. So like the tendon in them got so bad that like my big toe was kind of like stuck here because of the tendon. And it took a while to get that back and I was kind of just, I found peace. That was the point. I found a little bit of peace

in myself. Like you said about sitting still and like I'm ADHD and all these things with the addictive personality and I struggle with that. And it was first time ever I've been like, I actually feel quite good. Yeah. Who'd you on holiday with? With my missus. Yeah. We went to like Mick andawson, not party. We were in bed. Like they were doing the turn down service and we'd already be in bed and they'd come into like and everyone else is out like party in a different life yeah like we'd finish in a shower to go out yeah it's great you get a booking everywhere because no one goes out at like five six o'clock when the restaurant's open yeah so nice um so yeah we was we were just having this like really chilled out holiday and i was just like it's funny because i've actually

reshaped my thinking about what i want to do next now as well i was like i don't want to run that far ever again like that's way too far it was miserable i hated it and now almost already thinking like actually, maybe I should do this next year or like, do I mean? And I think it was what I was really looking for all along was that kind of piece. And I think that's what I've noticed from the harder the stuff that I do and the more I prove to myself like I can do these things, winning the show. Like I had a bit of an emotional moment on there like crying after as well. I was almost like everything I do, I kind of don't feel like it's like I've done enough.

Like I feel like I have to really put myself through hell to feel like I deserve credit for what I do. Yeah. And I think that's what I've kind of found doing it is actually like I don't need to do it. Yeah. It's just you want to do it. Yeah.

And now I'm leading with more like, I actually enjoy training and I enjoy pushing myself. I like, I'm actually quite happy when I have a goal to work towards. Like even now where I've got this Achilles thing I was telling you about where I'm like, I had a couple weeks of running less. We're going to fix that right out where you leave this week.

See. Yeah. Even that I'm like, like I feel a bit lost. Like the last two weeks, I'm like, I want to be pushing towards something. But I don't feel like I have to. I'm almost like it is what is like it's going to work itself out in whatever happens, happens for a reason and we can work through things. But like, yeah, I found a bit of peace in life from doing this stuff, which is weird because you'd think the most chaotic thing you could do is like the stress you put on your body and your mind and stuff to do these things.

Well, you know, there's also a lot of science around doing hard things, how the brain actually grows and creates new neuronal pathways. And stress, you know, can be good or bad. Like hormetic stress, like a cold plunge or sauna is a stress on the body. Exercise is an extreme stress, but you strengthen in response. Yeah. And I think we don't talk enough about what exercise does for our mental state. you know, and I think that people put off exercise to focus everything on their business, especially young entrepreneurs.

Yeah. And they don't realize that their superpower is still locked inside of them. And maybe some of these, you know, physical feats can actually unlock that. So, because there was something about whether like mental health is led with the mind or your body. And I really think like the strongest foundation for your mind is to have, a fit, able body. And then you can build from there. And I think someone said it,

like Chris Williams said something like, you can out sniff a cocaine addiction. You can outthink mental health problems. But if you're struggling with your mind and what you're thinking about and you sit in the house on your own, lights off or something, can you sit there and just think about it?

Make it worse. Yeah, yeah. But you go out and like, you go for a run and you release some dolphins, just feel great. And that's what I really think, like, it helped me with going sober, 100%.

Like I had half marathon to run on a Sunday morning. I couldn't go out. So, and I went out and I felt amazing. And then I started making friends that also wanted to run half marathon on Sunday morning. And then we'd go for breakfast and you get coffee. And then I started a run club and then people would come enjoying just to run 10K with me. Yeah, you have a London running club. Yeah, yeah.

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the time and I've got plans to leave and it's kind of come to a bit of a natural end. But I feel like I have such a more impact online and it's hard, like my audience is very spread out and it's hard to get everyone in one place. And I'd get messages all the time like, mate, I'm in London, when's the run club? And I'll be like, oh, it's the end of the month on Saturday. So if you're not here on that Saturday, you can miss it anyway. So now I'm like trying to think, like, how can I have that like communal aspects without it being in person? So everyone can get a bit of a taste of it. And I think if it's going to, we've got like a run club. We're doing virtually where people can start joining every week. And we're filming that at the moment. And so that's like

kind of the next step. And then when I am in certain places like Boston Marathon, we're going to do an in-person one. Hopefully people can be there and the same with London. And so I'm going to do it a little bit more like one-off kind of. Yeah, I love seeing all these like a lot of like DJs and rap artists and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, who's the rapper that has the run club? Gunna. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's got a run club and, you know, Diplo and Jellyroll has one now called the like the Losers Run Club. Oh no way. Yeah, it's just, it's just so awesome because Because it's like now if you, you know, if those are some of your idols or, you know, the, you know, some of the, you know, the celebrities that you look up to.

Yeah. You know, now you can get this communal sense with them by, you know, around physicality, around something other than drugs and alcohol. I think it's amazing. In fact, I read a statistic, I think in Miami, you know, alcohol consumption is down like 34% in the younger generation. And there's all these cool things creeping up like coffee and chill, which, you know, know, if you walked into one of these events, you would think it was any other, like, South Beach

Rage or, you know, all the chicks are bikinis, all the guys are in board shorts, but there's no drugs, no alcohol, it's just cold punches, coffee. And instead of your calling card being like the Ferrari you pulled up in or the Richard Bailey, it's your physique. Yeah. And you can't fake that, you know? So, you know, I just, I love seeing that, that sort of shift, especially in the younger generation, even a lot of the data around longevity, anti-aging, and wellness, a lot of the stuff. A lot of the stats are driven by Gen Z. And that's like surprising to me. I would think it would be my generation.

I'm in my mid-50s. Yeah. But it's like it's starting in younger and younger. Yeah. You see a lot of like guys doing like older guys as well. They're doing high rocks and getting involved. I think like there's some sports like triathlon you end up being better or even ultra running.

I think you get better as you age because your body just accumulates more like compounding effect like of tolerance to. Yeah. Especially with running, I think. But yeah, nice. It's amazing to see. And that's one of the reasons why as well, like, for me with sobriety, so like one of my values is integrity and like when I say something, if I'm going to do it, like, I've got to do it. Like that's, it's going to get done at some point. I might not be able to do it when I say I will, but it will happen. Yeah. And one of the things like people always ask me now, like, are you going to be sober forever? And I'm like, to be honest, like the way I am as a person, I probably should. But I've also reshaped my whole relationship with alcohol, definitely. So like, Like if I was out for dinner, I could probably have a drink. I could have a beer. I have a zero beer now.

Like, that's what I'll drink like zero alcohol. But I could probably have a drink. And it wouldn't be, where's the party? Like, half the party and no sleep and all of this stuff. But what kind of example would I be setting to all the young guys, especially because obviously relate to me the most, that have made these changes. I've gone sober themselves. Like, I get messages all the time.

Like, I'm running my first marathon because I saw you do this and I'm so inspired. And everything's changing my mental health. That's the best. I love the messages. But like, imagine if I then went, yeah, guys, I've done three years. And now I'm like, actually, I'm a bit bored of it. I'm going to go back to doing what I was doing. And everyone else would just go, oh, fuck it.

Like, yeah. And there's actually quite a lot, like, not in a bad way, but there is a few running influences for views. And you can, you can have a drink. And like, they'll drink a beer when they're doing a run. Yeah. And it's like, it's going a bit viral in like, fair enough. But like, I don't want to be a bad example.

So, like, I wouldn't even work with, say, like a gambling competition. Because I've never had a problem with gambling, never gambled, but I've got an addictive personality and I've got a problem with addiction. And I know people do have that issue. So I don't want to be a catalyst in someone else's problem now. I feel like I have a bit of responsibility. Yeah. So I think it's great that people are making these changes. I think so too. Yeah. So how do you maintain like an ultra-distance athlete sort of training schedule and then still keep a physique like someone who's holding muscle? Yeah, trying to. Yeah. Trying to. I mean, you're lean, but you look good. So I think, you know, when I was doing triathlons heavy, I would say the vast majority of guys that I raced with, we were all skinny fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's like, because it's a little bit to do with stress, I think, on the body.

So, like, when I first did the marathon, I felt like I looked a little bit out of shape, like because my body was just so stressed out. I know it was crazy. Like my fraternity brothers would come see me and they'd be like, bro, you, you're okay, man? Yeah, yeah. You get enough food? And I'm like, what are you talking about? I just did a century.

Yeah, because you're burning. But like, it's inflammation. Yeah. But I think so for me, personally, I still eat like a bodybuilder. And I'll train like a bodybuilder, like in the gym. So I'm in the gym three, four times a week, at least every single week. And I've always maintained that. It's like my first love because I did compete when I was a bit younger.

But also like fueling with proteins a bit overlooked. So like a lot of the guys, when you're doing marathons, they'll be like, right, you need. this many carbs per hour and salt and they look at all these different things but they're like, but you want to fast digest your carbs so you don't want to eat protein with it. I'm like, yeah, but if you want to keep the muscle in your legs when they're like literally catalyzing muscle to work,

you want to eat protein. So I'll eat, like even this morning, like 10K easy run, breakfast with protein carbs before running. What does the breakfast look like? I mean, when I'm at home, I'll have a big bowl of porridge, like 100 grams of oats with, I don't know if everyone knows but I don't know what else is like and then protein protein shaking it like powder and mix it up and then put like honey and blueberries that would be like every day I have the same thing before you go out before I do any training yeah because I just like unless I'm like really

trying to burn fat like if I want to get lean really fast and like unlike I don't know eating a bit bad on holiday for a week or whatever like fast like training fasted at high intensity will just get you shredded like when I was doing that kind of stuff it would work but for me performance and keeping my muscle but I've lost muscle in And like, I always say this, like, you can't have a high VL2 max and a high squat. Like, I've lost my legs a little bit with the running. But yeah, I tried to eat well and also fuel. Even when I did the long ultra stuff, I was eating like, I was drinking like a skier yogurt shake kind of thing.

Yeah. 30K in because a lot of people wouldn't do that. But my stomach, I kind of trained it well to eat properly. But I think proteins like one of my essentials. If I have it every day anyway, if I'm running. 100k I need it as well you can't then forget about it So how do you get it when you're running? Do you blend it?

Yeah so like that was obviously when you're doing the the stuff where it's self-supported and you have aid stations like self-made aid We stopped every 10K to eat So I'd have I was eating like a bit of anything But like we'd have the shake And I'd have like two or three shakes So I'd have breakfast like normal and then have two shakes

Throughout my training Yeah and I'd do the same if I did like a hundred-mile race I'd get someone at an aid station with like shakes and stuff. Yeah, you know, this next race for my son. So he just did the 100 mile. Then in November he's doing the 10 Iron Man

in 10 days. That's going to be long days. Those are going to be long days. Yeah. I mean, a full distance triathlons. I mean, it's a 2.4 mile swim. 160 bike. 160 bike.

160 mile bike and then a marathon. And then a marathon. Yeah. So, you know, pro time is around 10 hours. So he'll probably be. 12 hours. So that means they're literally exercising 12 hours today. And the idea is to try to fuel him entirely with whole foods.

Yeah. And I know people that have done it. I mean, there's there are guys that have circummented the country and on sweet potato and white rice. Yeah. Because if you saw the garbage that these guys were putting in on the 100 mile. Yeah. I bet he had 50 rice crispy treats.

I was getting like a Twitch in the van. And I did a lot of jazz. When I did 100 mile, I did gels and not like the best food and it did get to me by the end. Yeah. Yeah. But if you, I think you can do that for one day or one 24 hour period. If you go fast, you need it. Yeah.

But if you're 10 days in a row, because if you shut your gut down, that's it. You know, if you can't process foods, I mean, in fact, I guess the majority of the reason why, you know, professional athlete would bonk in one of those races is they just didn't get their nutrition right. Yeah. I mean, they're conditioned. I did, um, so you can do a breast. carb test, have you ever heard of that? So it... B.O.2. Max will look at your carbs.

So, well, this one's like... Like a bit of knowy? Yeah, so like the science behind it is you have like no C12 for a day before. And then you have gels with high C12 content. And then what they do is that you... C12 fat. C12 is like

a type of car... something in the car. It's called C12. Okay. It's just like... And apparently it burns like... So when you put the mask on, it detects how much C12 you're breathing. out. So if you have 100 grams of carbs over the hour and then you're breathing the mask, it will give you 80% accuracy of how much you burn, because it will tell you how much C12

you burn out. So it's a guy in the UK that's doing it. It's like, I don't know if it's a new science, but he's like leading it, I think. And we did the testing. I was burning on an easy 60 minutes, 100 grams of carbs, which is a high end of carb. Like most average, they say, is 50 to 60 at 80%. So if I'm doing 100 at 80%, it's more like 120. Wow. So that's a lot. of carbs to take down in an hour. So does that mean that you're more of a carbohydrate burner? So you actually need... Yeah, I also noticed from bodybuilding days,

I could eat higher carb and sugar and not put on weight. But if I ate really fatty, rubbish food, saturated fats and cheese and stuff like that, it would make me fluctuate more. So even now, I've tried to avoid a lot of that stuff. I think my body must just genuinely work better on carbs, which is a good thing when you're running fast. Oh yeah.

Marathons and... Yeah. So do you fuel with gels and... Yeah, I use... Yeah, when I'm running like races where you have to like carry stuff, I don't want to take... But not on multi-days or...

No, on the run across the UK, I did like a lot of food, a lot of mainly food. Every now and then we'd have like... I think I did the first couple of 10Ks, I'd eat a gel in the middle of them. So I'd have like whole food, gel in the middle, whole food.

By the end of the day, I'd have like a packet sweets in the middle rather than a gel. Yeah. And just to change pilot and because you get a bit sick of anything. Yeah, yeah. But everything gets. I thought it was pretty wild when they were at,

but before Mile 93, it was like the middle of the night. And I think the pain was hitting and like the guys were going into the pain cave. And finally the trainer, Matt, who ran this thing like a military operation. I mean, hats off to him for keeping these guys safe. Yeah, I know. Oh, you do?

He's one of the ones that drinks in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a podcast with him too. Yeah, yeah. He's so funny. What a great story. What a great human, you know, he was in the Coast Guard. Yeah. Didn't have a particularly, you know, good upbringing. And same thing, you know, just turned all that pain into purpose. And now, like, he's just so intentional training

these guys. My son would never finish this race. It wasn't for him. But the way they structured it, it was just so impressed, you know, like, it was all designed to keep them safe. They had the support cars there. Wouldn't let them rest too long and the rest station. It was like in and out in five minutes. You know, I remember they were like on their back, get their legs where I'm eating, you know, pasta on their back on the side of the road. Yeah. And he's like, time to go, time to go. Yeah.

But, you know, then, you know, three quarters of the way into the race, middle of the night, finally let them have their first dose of caffeine and some Advil. Yeah. And dude, you would have thought these guys found the Messiah. Yeah, yeah. They started dancing, singing through the music and rap song, running sideways. And they were like, you know, 70-odd miles in. and it just, you know, woke them up.

I know there's just a lot of strategy to that. So, you know, I'm happy to hear that you fuel a lot with the... I did something similar with the first 100 miles I did as well. I had a like 20 minute nap at about 20, like 20 odd hours in or something like early in the morning, just like laid down 20 minutes, I'm asking then straight out caffeine. And I was and then started taking like painkillers and stuff like a little bit. Yeah, because I woke up and I was like almost like, oh, actually now something's hurting. It's like as if it settled, it didn't hurt until then.

But then after like a little while, I was like buzzing. And then the early that morning I was like, felt amazing when the sun came back up. Like that morning, it was pretty cool. If you want protein to build lean muscle, but without the caloric impact or need to cut, you need perfect amino. It's pure essential amino acids, the building blocks of proteins in a precise form and ratio that allows for near 100% utilization in building lean muscle and no caloric impact. So we build protein six times as much as way, but without the excess body fat we normally get during bulking.

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I mean, you want to just, you know, be very vulnerable about your story and lay it out there to inspire other people. Yeah. You know, because I really find that what motivates people is what determines the duration that they're able to sustain something like this. Yeah. I feel like a lot of athletes, you even talk about this, will peak with some big great race.

Like for me, when I finished the Chesapeake Half Iron Man, I put my bike on the wall in my garage. I didn't touch it for three years. Yeah. Like literally did not get on the bike and not get back in the pool. And I think I just hit that limit of... I've done that with my bike since my triathlon as well. I started running.

But like, yeah, the bike, I haven't been on the bike since the try. But also the weather's just bad. I did it in Dubai in November and then back to London. You did it to buy? Yeah, yeah. I did 100K. That was my first one. So I didn't learn to ride a bike as a kid.

And then I learned last year. So I bought a like a racing bike and learned on. the racing bike to ride it, put my cleats on for the first time a week before. Oh, wow. Did 20K as my longest outdoor ride and then obviously has a ride like 80. But obviously like I just don't do things by half measures anymore. So I had to kind of like I can't just do a hundred, I couldn't do like a short one. I had to go straight in on the 100 K, like half Iron Man kind of.

Yeah. But yeah, no, I think to be honest, I want to I want to dabble a little bit more in like performance in these races. Like I did a race last year. I did 100K and I placed in top 10. It wasn't like the most competitive race. But like I know that I've got potential to do something with the sport in general. Like I want to go into that. This year I'm running all the major marathons.

So more for just because like I've got to deal with on as a global ambassador. And then I fit with taking, like they sponsor some of the races. So doing run clubs around them and then obviously racing and kind of coaching some people into that. So this year is like I'm going to get fast again, which is kind of. quite nice, do a bit of speed work. Yeah. I got injured a little bit. But yeah.

And then next year I want to take on some big races again, like 100 mile, maybe Moab, something like that. Yeah, Moab's legit. It looks really cool. I think I'm pacing Ashley from Ifit who's racing it with them a little bit for like through the night. And I've got a couple friends doing it. So it'll be nice to go there and see it.

And then I'll be like right next year I'll come back in and give it a bit of wellie. But I think like for me, I've got the most fulfillment, not from just achieving things and like ticking this stuff off is who I'm helping along the way in like the impact I'm having. So like with I fit, I've got more of an impact because they've got this community people that are already doing so I filmed some run workouts and they're on the treadmills. And they released yesterday and I'm already getting messages, people tagging me. It's like, oh, did your 5K run at this beach in Cornwall today? That's so cool.

Which is so cool. And I know like the messages I get from kids that get into stuff. Like there's someone running. I had a call with him. So I got a message just guys like, mate, I want to run around. Bifa. So I did the whole island. It was, I was like, uh, fastest person to do it by far, but it was not like an official thing, but someone walked it in 10 days and they do this yearly thing. And then someone ran it in Spain in like 70 hours. I did it in like 20, 30 hours,

28 30 hours. Um, he wants to go and do it now. And I'm like, make sick, I'll give you all my notes on route, what went wrong, where was like difficult because some of it was like really bad, like probably not safe at all, had no insurance, had no permits, no safety measures. Oh wow. It was just me and a couple of mates driving me around and I was just running and they were like meeting me at certain points and then pacing me. It was really like, really cowboy. Kind of primal. Yeah, really cowboy. But also like amazing.

That's so fun. But yeah, I'm like, that's so cool that you can go do that. It works out or go out and support it. But like just some random guy on the internet. But yeah, it's like that impact that I can have means a lot more than just like getting a medal in a race. Yeah. And also who you become doing the stuff is. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, do you feel like you've become a completely different person? I mean, how, how of your goals and your priorities or relationships work? How have those things been affected by coming in an ultra? For me, like, my career's taken off with it anyway, just in general, like the stuff that I'm doing now, I probably wouldn't be doing anymore. So like when I did the reality TV stuff, you kind of have this window of like work and opportunity that you can get out of it unless you go and do more shows. keep the ball rolling. And I think a lot of the guys that go on these shows kind of just piss it away like I was doing in the beginning. And then a couple years later, the brand deals dry up and

they go with new people that are on new shows or a new show comes out or like the new season's out so you're forgotten about. And right. I think that's kind of the you get like a little time frame of like do something with it or like get left behind. And I'm really glad that I found like I love training and fitness anyway. Like I've been in the gym almost every. every day since I was 16, even when I was partying, I was always in the gym. That was my bare minimum, like, to keeping me afloat was to look a certain way and train and just, like, feel a little bit of, like, lifting myself up from the ground, right? And I think, like, I was really lucky that I made that into, like, my career.

So now, like, things are going really well. Like, I'm coming out here more and, like, just stuff just happening. That wouldn't have happened if I didn't make that decision to go all in on it. but also just like like even with drinking and stuff I think I was like lacking confidence so I'd have to like I'd have a bit of social anxiety I'd go out and I'd like be at these like crazy events

with people and I wouldn't know how to talk to anyone and I'd be a bit like didn't know I could do it and then I'd have to have a drink and then all of a sudden I'm on a night out somewhere like doing something stupid but I think I needed that but now I've like built up so much confidence in myself from doing all this stuff like now I kind of

hold myself, like, I value myself more because I feel like I've earned that respect to myself, do I mean? Yeah. Which I don't think you have to, you don't have to earn a respect for yourself. You should be able to do it, but I think I needed to. Yeah. I think a lot of people do too. You know, I think a lot of times it's, it's the voices that we use internally with ourselves that nobody else hears, you know, how we, you know, I've heard some of the great thought leaders talk about giving yourself grace and speaking to yourself internally like you would speak to a best friend. that was going through a tough time. You know, because very often we were really hard on ourselves.

And it, you know, we're our own worst enemy. And I think when you realize that you can accomplish really hard things and push through it, it reinforces the fact that, you know what, I am trustworthy. I can set a goal and I can achieve it. And I'm sure that that has touch points in other areas of your life. I mean, it helps you in relationships, helps you in business, helps you as an entrepreneur. I think most entrepreneurs realize like sleep and how you feel is your super power.

It used to be like sleep on your dead mindset. Like you don't need sleep is for losers. Yeah, yeah. But now it's like this like if you look at all the, I read the why we sleepbooking like done all the. I'm probably entry level on the biohacking in the health and wellness compared to like you. Yeah. But like yeah, I think sleep so massive and you like you don't perform if you don't sleep. Like especially in sport like you don't recovering.

You don't like you can't train to your fault. potential without it. But even mentally, like, if I don't sleep properly, I have like a night flight in an economy and I'm like four hours sleep and I'll wake. Like, you just, you're on your ass. Like, yeah. So I think it's so important. But it's funny, the mental, like the, the internal voice thing. I actually use it as fuel sometimes, the negative voice. So like, there's been times in races where I'm, I'm struggling. And I go into this like, this whole of like, this person thinks you can't do it and like from remembering what someone said and I'm like create this like false image in my head of everyone wants to see me fail so I use it as like motivation so I'll like

I'm very competitive in what I do and when I race I'm like always like I need to catch this person off and get this like someone's overtook me so I'm like trying to claw back places and I do it mentally as well I'm like I'll think about stuff and like other people's achievements and I'm like if they can do that why can't I run a bit faster in this thing? and it helps me to push. And I think it's a bit of a fine line to tread, but I've spoke to sports therapists about it and stuff. But you can use it as motivation, I think.

And I think that's how I've kind of got to where I have with training and sport is to be a bit self-critical because you can't give yourself too much. Yeah. But also like... You can't pat yourself on the back too hard. Yeah, you need to be like, all right, you've done that now. Like, get up in... Because there's somebody else that's just as motivated as you are.

Yeah. And they're working harder. Yeah, and they're working on her. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So I have this group of VIPs, and I told them that you were coming on. They're going to hold a whole bunch of questions for you. So in a few minutes, we're going to transition over to our VIPs. But I always wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question. So if you've watched it, you know this one's coming.

If you don't, it's coming. There's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? I think like I used to think it was a very internal personal thing, quite a selfish thing, which is what I did a lot of my, I did a lot of self-work, but it was all about me. And I think to be an ultimate human, it's more than just you. There's a bigger picture, like the impact you have. And, you know, it's like, no matter what you achieve and you do in your life and stuff,

there's what do you want on your tombstone? Like, what do you want them to talk about? Do you what I mean? On your analogy, like, who you were as a person. Like, I think, imagine, like, it's your funeral and they're talking about you. And they're not going to go like, oh, he made this much money and he did this, he did this time in this race. And, like, people remember you because of that. But I think, like, the impact you have in general is what's going to, how you touch people, right?

So I think that's the biggest thing for me to be an ultimate human to have a good impact. You know, at your age, to be thinking about legacy is a great place to be, man. And, Corey, I wish you all the luck. I think you're going to impact an entire generation. Thank you. Love what you're doing. Son's a big fan. He's excited to run a workout with you.

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