The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 296. Dr. Jordan Rubin: The Truth About Raw Dairy and Your Gut

Episode Date: August 18, 2026

You'd think a 100% terminal diagnosis leaves you only one path, but Jordan Rubin proved otherwise, twice. I sat down with him to unpack how he clawed back from 104 pounds and 69 failed doctors with Crohn's at 19, then beat a 90-day cancer death sentence at 33, and the raw dairy, ancestral-eating, and faith-first framework that came out of both. If you take one thing from this conversation, let it be his "vitamin H", hope,  the most deficient nutrient we have, and the first ingredient in any real healing.  CLICK HERE TO BECOME GARY’S VIP!: ⁠https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg⁠ Get Dr. Jordan Rubin’s book, “The Biblio Diet”:  https://bit.ly/4xQdsKl  Listen to "The Jordan Rubin Show" on all your favorite platforms! YouTube: https://bit.ly/4wsP3ct  Spotify: https://bit.ly/4xQdthn  Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/4fXYhZm  Connect with Dr. Jordan Rubin Website: https://bit.ly/4qnrBfs  YouTube: https://bit.ly/3U4jmsv  Instagram: https://bit.ly/4g3q22N   Facebook: https://bit.ly/3SHjHkx  X: https://bit.ly/4zlOTWT  LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4zo7Atd  Thank you to our partners A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD AIRES: "ULTIMATE20 " FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp CYMBIOTIKA: "BRECKACYM30" FOR 30% OFF: https://bit.ly/4tjyluP  GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC H2TAB: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn SNOOZE: LET’S GET TO SLEEP!: https://bit.ly/4pt1T6V WHOOP: JOIN & GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW Watch  the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: ⁠https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8⁠ Podcasts: ⁠https://bit.ly/3RQftU0⁠ Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: ⁠https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs⁠ TikTok: ⁠https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo⁠X: ⁠https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf⁠ Facebook: ⁠https://bit.ly/464VA1H⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2⁠ Website: ⁠https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU⁠ Merch: ⁠https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1⁠ Newsletter: ⁠https://bit.ly/47ejrws⁠ Ask Gary: ⁠https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG⁠ Timestamps 00:00 - ​Intro of Show 00:50 - Crohn's diagnosis at 19 05:00 - Down to 104 pounds in a wheelchair 06:30 - 69 doctors and failed treatments 08:00 - The hospital night he nearly died 09:30 - The step of faith and the before photo 16:00 - Meeting Bud Keith in San Diego 19:30 - Raw dairy and 29 pounds in 40 days 23:00 - Building Garden of Life 30:00 - Terminal cancer diagnosis at 33 34:00 - Refusing conventional treatment 36:00 - The 40-day raw omnivore protocol 42:00 - Reframing the disease and guarding your mindset 47:00 - The Biblio diet framework 52:00 - Meat, dairy, bread, fat, and salt 56:00 - What to do starting tomorrow 1:06:00 - Herbs, spices, and healing leaves 1:11:00 - Vitamin H, the most deficient nutrient 1:11:17 - What it means to be an ultimate human Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions.  Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation.  Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We live in a world where there's so much disparity. Vegans say that animals are killing you and the planet, and the carnivore dieters say that plants are trying to kill you. But I believe the Bible over science, so if Jesus was referred to as the bread of life, I need to find out what bread is the healthiest because it can't be bad. I think the combination of that modern, realistic view of what the data says and what the Bible actually dictates, to me makes an enormous amount of sense.

When someone asked me, why did I get sick? My answer is so you don't have to. So people who are desperate and dying can have hope that they can be well like I am. All in all, I was able to conquer cancer in a way that could be replicable for other people. I think the framework of this, though, is taking the power back. It's really just teaching people how to get back to the basics. We've really done a lot to destroy our food. And so I think what you and I do more than anything is give people permission to eat like their grandparents would have

which is logical. Just to distill this entire conversation down to some practical things that people could do. So someone's listening to this podcast. What did they do tomorrow? I have gone on in the last 18 years to help many, many, many people. And what I would recommend today, Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Breckup.

My guest today has one of the most remarkable comeback stories I've ever heard on this show. At 19, Jordan Rubin was diagnosed with Crohn's Dism. He saw 69 doctors tried every treatment imaginable and dropped to 104 pounds in a wheelchair, battling 18 different illnesses at one time. At 33, cancer came back with a diagnosis of 90 days to live. Jordan didn't accept their sentence. He healed himself using biblically based nutrition-dense diet and went on to found Garden of Life, a company he eventually sold for over $2 billion.

Today, known as America's biblical health coach, Jordan is going to walk us through what he calls the Bibliot Diet, the ancient healing power hidden in fruit tree leaves, forgotten herbs, raw dairy, and biblical fasting. Practices modern science is only now beginning to catch up to. If you've ever been told there's no hope for your health, this one is going to change that. So let's get into it. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecker, where we go down the road of everything,

anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. and today's guest is going to be one of those very, very special journeys. It's going to take us back long, long, long before biohacking ever began and walk us through our modern day diet and other things that we can use to improve our journey to becoming the ultimate version of ourselves. I am so excited to have Jordan Rubin on the podcast. Welcome to the Ultimate Human.

It's great to be here, Gary. It's great to have you on to. You're America's biblical health coach. So, you know, I find, your work and your book, and I read the book, and I've spoken to Josh about it a number of times. And I just have this philosophical belief now after having met some of the most passionate, purpose-driven,

powerful people in the world, that sometimes those people are not necessarily the most credentialed, but they solved a major problem in their life. and when I look back at your trajectory, the impact that you've had Garden of Life, you know, which eventually was sold to Nestle for north of $2 billion, the books that you've authored, the thing that stands out the most to me

was the problems that you solved in your life. And maybe we could back things up to when you were 19 years old and got diagnosed with Crohn's, which at that time there wasn't a lot of functional medicine help, you scour the world, and walk us through the kidney cancer diagnosis and then how that framed why you're sitting in this chair today, if you don't mind it. Oh, yeah, well, I... Or did I just throw a bunch of dirt on the street that you don't want on the street?

I often tried to condense the stories, but, you know, Gary, when you suffer from something, whether you're 18, 19, like I was with the Crohn's colitis diagnosis or later at 33 with terminal cancer, I really try my best to connect with individuals because everybody is going through something in their life where they don't want to get up out of bed in the morning or they want to just, I don't know if you've experienced this, I'm sure you have. I'd love to close my eyes and wake up six months later because I think I'll be alive. Yeah. And what I know I'm about to go through will have been over. But for me, being a teenager and growing up in a home that prioritized health, My dad's a naturopathic doctor and a chiropractor, an OG.

I mean, we're talking about when health was so uncool, when everything at a health food store tasted and looked disgusting. And I made a joke to my parents recently. I was just with him. And I said, mom, carob Santa Claus is really? Like, you made me glad that Christmas was only one day a year. Like, I often said that the first lie that a hippie health nut parent tells their kids is carob tastes just like chocolate.

Because back then, chocolate was bad, carob was good, and it was not good. You got hard-boiled Easter eggs. Oh, it was, well, we were plant-based most of the time, which made it even worse. So if it was a hard-boiled Easter egg, it was made out of tofu. Oh.

So I didn't even know what inflammatory bowel disease was in 19955, 1996. You didn't anyone else. And when I started to get digestive symptoms, I was the counselor at a Christian camp, And I just started having gut pain issues. Of course, what you eat and drink at a summer camp at the church in the 95 degree weather in central Florida combined for a pretty bad situation. But I was an immortal teenager.

I mean, I'd never been sick. In fact, I wasn't vaccinated ever at the time because of my dad's beliefs. And we didn't go to the doctor more than maybe once every three years. I didn't get checkups. So for me to have symptoms, it was surprising, but I didn't think it was permanent or long-term or chronic. So I went back to college for my sophomore year. There was no other way for me.

I was going back, started to lose copious amounts of weight, ultimately kept spiking fevers. I thought my hip popped out of the socket or cracked at the same time. It started to get real intense pains. My weight plummeted, and I called my parents, and I said, hey, I haven't really told you the honest truth about my symptoms. I'm pretty bad. I have 104 fever.

So I came home and my dad, who was very smart in terms of natural, integrative and alternative medicine, but also pretty negative. So he makes an ice bath for me. This was way before it was cool. Wow. throws me in there to get my fever down, walks out of the room and screams, oh my God, I don't want my son to die. And I'm sitting here, you know, 18 years old,

and my dad's yelling that. And it began a two-year journey that I described as a prison cell that was my own body. Gary, I went down to 104 pounds in a wheelchair. I'm six foot tall, formerly 185. I was a college athlete. And now I'm debilitated.

I was in a wheelchair. I had 18 different illnesses, primarily Crohn's colitis, but my involvement, I had ulcers in my nose and my mouth all the way to the rectum. Like it was not just ilitis, which Crohn's disease was named from, which is the top of your small intestine. This was just a massive life change.

And I had an embarrassing disease, Gary, because if my arm was hurt or broken, I would tell my friends, oh, I broke my arm, but who wants to tell your friends you have bloody diarrhea 12 to 30 times a day? I mean, it was impossible. And probably the worst part, it wasn't me looking in the mirror and seeing a skeleton.

It wasn't even the pain that felt like I was getting my gut operated on without anesthesia. It wasn't having to drop out of college and lose everything that I valued in life. It was a fact that I couldn't sleep for more than 45 minutes because I was up in the bathroom and it made it like a two-year, hellaciously long day.

Wow. And during that time, you mentioned there weren't a lot of alternative medicine doctors. No internet, there's no chat EBT. There were quite a few though because I went to 69 of them. Did you really?

And Gary, when I tell you I tried some wild treatments, I went to Germany for Venus flytrap IV infusions and had a horrific experience there. I went to Europe for the original stem cells. There were fetal sheep cells injected.

Oh my God. And the needle, for me, me, my butt was like this big, so I was emaciated. It felt like somebody stabbed a machete in my right cheek. I went to Mexican clinics. You know, you go everywhere. Oh, yeah. I laugh now, and I can laugh, but sometimes desperation requires you to get treatments that are worse than the disease, but I visited a man who practiced bio-energetic medicine, and some of that is pretty valuable. I went there, high fever, 110 pounds, just devastatingly sick. And he does his different prognosis on me.

He says, Jordan, you are sensitive to a satellite that orbits the Earth once every 70 years. And I said, gee, I was hoping for gluten or dairy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so I tried so many things and everyone promised me I would be healed and everyone failed. And it took 69 of them to, and I didn't even tell you

the worst ones, but I don't know why I wasn't healed right away, but I do know what triggered my healing. And so coming out of my second hospitalization, now get this, I went into the hospital and my resting heart rate was 275. I was 104 pounds, they took my shirt off to put me in a gown and I could see my heart visibly pounding under my emaciated chest cavity.

My knees below were blue, my nail beds were purple, my ferretin was zero. And they didn't think they could get an IV in me to rehydrate me. So I had nurses and doctors and phlebotomists come in. They couldn't get any blood return because I was so dehydrated. And they would leave. And one nurse went out of the room crying and said, this young man's not going to make it till the morning.

Oh my God. And you heard that. I heard it. And at this point, growing up having a relationship with, God being what you would describe as a born again Christian, I could tell you what it was like to close my eyes for the last time because I was ready to die. I wasn't suicidal, but I wanted to die and be done with this life because it was, there was no remission. It was every day, every hour, I was in terrible pain. I watched my family suffer as a result. I blamed myself

because they were so miserable watching their son waste away. And I felt like I was hanging on a cliff by my pinky and about to fall to my death. And because they couldn't get blood return, I wasn't gonna make it, so I just closed my eyes. It was just okay with it, yeah. And I'm like, God, I'm ready to go be with you. And I did have this one thought. I said, God, I just wish I could have had the chance

to get married and have a family. I loved kids even as a teenager. I was waiting for the one woman God had for me, and I wasn't gonna experience it, but I was thankful that I, lived a great 19 years. And Gary, I woke up the next morning while I was asleep.

They got the IV in. They got some electrolytes in me. I wasn't better. I didn't have an answer, but I was in the game. And shortly after that, when I was home on corticosteroids and all the things that my family

would have never agreed to, but when you're in this desperate situation, you kind of have no choice, I was home and I read a Bible verse, probably that I had read in Sunday school many times, Hebrews chapter 11 verse 1 that says faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Now, I was bedridden and I had all the excuses in the world not to have faith, not to believe.

And then I read in that chapter, without faith, it is impossible to please God. And then from the book of James, faith without works or action is dead. So I'm bedridden. My parents spent most of their money on my treatments. There were no answers. I didn't smile or laugh for two years, trapped in a prison that was my own body. But I felt like God was telling me to take a step of faith

from my desperation not to wait. So I walked seven steps from the bedroom I was being taken care of in to my parents' closet, and I yelled to my mom. I was in boxer shorts. I had a gnarly beard because I didn't have the same. strength to shave or take showers. I could only bathe just because I was emaciated and had no iron and no nutrients.

Called my mom and I said, Mom, I want you to take my picture. And she said, what's wrong? What's wrong? And then she got there. She said, Jordan, it breaks my heart to look at you. Why do you want me to take your picture? And I said, Mom, please take the picture. She said, Jordan, why do you insist?

Can't we wait till you're well? And I don't know how, Gary, but I had this mustard seed-sized faith. And I said, Mom, if you take this picture, then the world will know what God's about to do in my life. And where did that conviction come from? Like, had you had a vision? I mean, how do you have a change of heart so far into this journey? Because, you know, I've been on journeys with people that are dealing with severe chronic pain. And, you know, it erodes you like the water over the rock.

it doesn't matter how strong your will is your resolve it will break the spirit of the most powerful human beings i've sat across from navy seals that dealt with post-traumatic stress disorder that tried to just power through it with their own stubborn willpower was there a moment of an epiphany a tipping point um was it prayer did you have a vision what gave you that conviction that this was day one of me turning around and did you have a plan It had to be supernatural. The Bible calls it the gift of faith, and I know why, because my life revolved around feeling terrible,

reading health books, listening to Christian worship music to encourage me, watching the food network, even though I could barely eat anything. I don't know why I did that to punish myself, but this, it was almost like my feet were moving for me to that closet. Now, I'd walked to that closet a thousand times, because the bathroom was right next to it.

And sometimes I would black out because I had such challenges nutritionally. And I'd wake up in my glasses that I wore then were broken. And that happened multiple times. But it was almost just like my feet were carrying me. And I'm so glad that I did that, Gary, because I went on to be healed

and we'll talk about that in a moment. And my first book was called Patient Healed Myself. And this was before digital cameras. I have to explain to young people. We had something called a negative. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You do? Oh, yeah. Wow. And that photograph did more for people than any of the products I formulated

than any of the content I shared because it gave them hope. If he can do it, I can do it. And I could have so easily said, no, I'm not going to do it. I'm not getting up out of bed. Woe is me. It's a rare feat for somebody to proclaim their testimony when they're dealing with their crud. And I say this, faith is proclaiming. the mountain top when you're lying face down naked in the valley. Because otherwise it's not faith. You can look back and say, imagine me at 100 pounds or imagine what I felt like, but a picture truly is worth a thousand words.

And years later, someone would say, Jordan, if you had a house on fire, what would your one possession be that you would go grab? And it was an envelope with the negatives, again, before the digital age, that had that before picture because you may not agree with my dietary advice or my supplement strategy or how to overcome a certain condition the way that I teach it. But what you can't deny is once I was dying and now I'm healed. And I remember Gary sitting in all these doctor's offices during my journey and I would see all of their credentials and diplomas on the wall. But I always wished that that person who was so smart and so acclaimed would say to me, Jordan, I have been where you are.

Yeah. I was dying and now I'm well. I wanted to meet somebody who was an overcomer that could pull me along and I made the decision that I was going to become the person that I wish I saw first instead of 70th. Yeah. Dude, it's so, so incredible. I mean, and what you've done, you've gone on to build brands that have, you know, exited for billions of dollars, one of the most successful supplement brands, maybe of all time,

one that I actually took for years and didn't even know that you were the formulator of it. But I would love for you to walk us through, like, what were the, see, what's so hard for me to grasp is, you know, today with artificial intelligence and chat, GBT, and the internet and Google, and, you know, the vast amount of information that we can access, right? Right. I mean, you could have been Googling your symptoms and other people. You could have connected through a Facebook group, the people that were suffering like you were with the exact same diagnosis. Even if there was only 40 of them in the world, you would have found them, right? And then you would have found someone who was their shepherd. And you could have, like, followed that, that shepherd exactly what you

were missing. But, I mean, first of all, not only was this not anything that was in the mainstream, I mean, the connection between the gut and the brain and the diet and our physiology and and toxicity and, you know, health. I mean, these, these weren't stitched together yet. And so, you know, talk about the next part of that, you know, framework on your journey because that wasn't actually the first, you know, significant milestone you were going to face. Right, right. Which is, you know, very, you know, it's just astounding to me.

And I want to talk about that too. But so where did you get this impetus? Because I'm like, how is this knowledge coming into you? Yeah. So first of all, you make this conviction, but now what? Where do you develop the plan? Yeah, and even though I didn't have the internet,

even though I didn't have social media, my dad, because he was in the naturopathic and chiropractic community, he found lots of doctors. So for example, Gary, Dr. Robert Atkins, who is famous for more of a keto diet, he treated chronic degenerative disease. He was my doctor for a while. Barry Sears, the author of The Zone.

Before the book came out, helped me nutritionally with, sent me the man but it didn't work. I met a woman named Elaine Gottschall who wrote a powerful book that became very popular in gut circles. Originally, it was called the selective carbohydrate diet or food in the gut reaction book.

And so I worked with her directly and she helped Crohn's colitis. It didn't help me for whatever reason. So I met a Harvard doctor who developed the early research on high dose glutamine for inflammatory bowel disease and short bowel syndrome. So I went to the best, but it wasn't until I met a man by telephone. I call him an eccentric nutritionist named Bud Keith in San Diego. He somehow got on the phone with

my dad and he said, Jordan, if you will come to San Diego and stay with me, I will teach you how to eat like the Bible. And in 90 days, you'll go from a wheelchair to working out on the beach. It would have been when I was 20 because he said on your 21st birthday, you'll be working out on the beach. And as a man of faith, for the first time, this resonated with me. I had joy for a moment because I committed, once I was a year into this illness, whatever I was going to do before doesn't matter. I'm going to devote my life to helping just one person overcome disease or better yet avoid it. God, if you heal me.

That was my question and my answer and my promise. And this made perfect sense. I didn't wanna spend my life sending people to Germany to get Venus flytrap IV infusions or fetal sheep cell injections or building a steel cage around your body to prevent from EMS. Or wait for the satellite to get out of orbit.

That's the big one. That's the one that got me. Yeah. So people ask me health questions every single day about their labs, their sleep, their supplements, their genetics. I wanna help every single one of them. And that's why I built Just Ask Gary. It's an AI trained on everything I know,

including my protocols, my research, my methodology. You ask the question, you get my answer. Any time of the day, go to the ultimate human.com forward slash AI and check it out. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. This made sense to me and I felt like I had hope for the first time in two years. So I went in a wheelchair from South Florida. I grew up about 90 minutes north of here to San Diego. And in 40 days, I went from death to life. I gained 29 pounds. In 40 days. 40 days. I couldn't gain a pound the whole time. I was always sick, always weak. And one of the main things that I learned about was consuming raw dairy, which was so funny because I was in San

Diego a couple years prior getting some weird version of urine therapy. And we went to make yogurt out of milk and I accidentally bought raw dairy and my mom got scared and returned it. Oh my gosh. But the next time I'm in San Diego, this is going to be my healing. And so I lived in a motor home, an RV like 1968 Chevy bunkhouse because my mentor wanted me to breathe in ocean air and walk on the beach. And I would go to a health food store called Bonies, which is now called Sprouts. No way. Tuesday and Thursday because that's when the raw milk deliveries were. It was legal in California to buy raw dairy on the shelf, but the government was always fighting it. So some days it would be gone. And I had this little cooler with ice, no generator, couldn't

afford it and my life literally depended on the raw dairy, usually in the form of kefir or cream. I would mix raw carrot juice with it like they do in Europe to get the carotenoids to become more absorbable. Didn't know it back then. I consumed sourdough, heirloom, whole grain, Camut bread, grass-fed beef, grass-fed eggs. But how were you able to even just even put anything into the system?

Did you start just by like sipping on raw dairy? Yeah, very small amounts, but I could tell, it was working, because if you gain 29 pounds and 40 days, if you have any nutrition hit your bloodstream when you're that deficient, it's like, it's, it was an epiphany, because I had spent two years, I went on vegan diets, I went on a keto diet,

I went on a specific carbohydrate diet where I had no grains. Oh my god, a keto diet when you're that emaciated, I went on all these different things and tried them. It wasn't like I was following a junk food, gastroenterologist recommended insure type diet, but something about these foods made an impact.

And I read a book, one of the three mandated books by Bud Keith, and it was called The Milk of Human Kindness is Not Pasteurized. Long title, but a medical doctor, William Campbell Douglas, wrote it. It's now called the milk book, and I learned all the power of raw dairy. I read a book called None of These Diseases to learn the power of hygiene from a biblical perspective, and then God's key to health and happiness, which encouraged me to follow what people would call a biblical or kosher diet, so I avoided pork and shellfish. And that 40-day experience

became the framework for probably my best-known book prior to the Bibliot Diet, which was called the Maker's Diet. So I wrote that in 03, and it was very much geared towards people with autoimmune disease, inflammatory bowel disease, et cetera,

because at the end of those 40 days, I gained 29 pounds back to San Diego, and then on my birthday, on my 21st birthday. Oh, I'll tell you about that. It was amazing. But on my 21st birthday, I was on the beach working out like Bud Keith told me. He infused faith.

He put me on a path to be healed. And during this 40 days, not only that I eat, drink, and breathe God's food, but I imagined my future having a family, having an opportunity to share this message with others. and he even sowed the seeds of me one day having a regenerative farm. He said, Jordan, one day, you're going to have a place where you can produce this kind of food. Yeah. Because it was already semi illegal in California and definitely illegal everywhere else.

So I'm thinking, what am I going to do? I'm surviving on raw dairy. I'm surviving on grass-fed meat. I'm mixing raw eggs in my smoothies. You know, like this is things I'm doing in the 90s. And I didn't have money. I didn't have any certainly career prospects, but there's something powerful about watering faith

with the seeds of hope. And that all ultimately came to pass, but I got well. I committed my life to sharing a message of health and hope with those who needed it. But I didn't have any credentials. I was just a guy with a before picture. And so I started working at a health food store,

sharing the message one at a time. And in 1998, a man who, my dad knew, who was a doctor, wrote an article about me in the Townsend letter for doctors and patients, a alternative medical journal, and the diet that I used combined with this black dirt substance, my dad sent me in an envelope, which was now I know as soil-based probiotics,

plus humic and folic acid-based minerals, that transformed my health. And so I ended up having an article written about me and they wanted to write about this probiotic substance, Because I had tried 30 probiotics, bottles a day, nothing worked. This worked when none other did. And so when the article was written, I asked my parents' friends if they could set up a phone line for me.

They had a home-based business. I got 2,000 phone calls from doctors around the world, and I found a way to encapsulate this probiotic in 98, and that ultimately led to the creation of Garden of Life. And, you know, Gary, people ask me all the time, Jordan, why did you get sick? So I told you that I wasn't vaccinated as a child, but I left this out.

When I was 15, there was a measles epidemic at my high school and they wanted to give a vaccine. My dad said, Jordan, don't do it. I said, dad, they're gonna suspend me. And so I got a vaccine against my dad's wishes. It was called MMR. Oh my gosh. And whether or not that plus a diet

when I went away to college that was high in carbs, it was like the snack well fat free craze, those could have been what led to it. But when someone asked me, why did I get sick? My answer is so you don't have to. Or better yet, so people who are desperate and dying can have hope that they can be well like I am. And that was the reason. I don't second guess it. It would be hard for me to say I would do it all again because it was so, so, so horrible. But I'm so blessed that God used me in that way because I've seen people

overcome disease by the droves and it's just been the most gratifying life you could live. And when you started the raw dairy, was it all cow dairy? Did you do goat's milk? Did you do confier, yogurt? Was there a time that, I mean, is too much, too much? I mean, your system must have been so sensitive. Or did you, I assume you had fermented foods as well? and grass-fed meats. So it started with raw dairy. It was raw milk, raw cheese, goad first. Because in Florida, when I met this man by phone,

I wasn't able to travel. I wasn't able to travel yet. You'll be very proud of me. And so I found, this is funny because a lot of places there's a goat lady. So I found this wonderful woman named Joanne, and she raised goats for a ministry to give goat milk to children who weren't breastfed

or people that could I didn't consume anything else. And I studied the work of Bernard Jensen back in the day, who was a huge goat milk advocate. Barbara O'Neill's the one that really turned me on to that. I mean, I've consumed raw dairy, but now I do all raw goat milk, but also kaffir. And so it started with that.

Because my gut was so damaged, I did better with cultured or high fat dairy. So it was goat dairy, then it was cow's milk, Kiefer, then I consumed raw cream, because that was one of the ways I gained weight. such healthy, saturated fats, MCTs, et cetera. And I had some colostrum. And over the years, I have consumed raw dairy for,

it's hard to believe, almost 33 years. And every one of my children, I have six, every day they're in the house, five are adopted, so I didn't have them all born to us. Raw dairy, staple in our home, raw eggs. We have our own farms, so we get our own. How do you do the raw eggs? I usually use mostly yolks

and I'll put them in smoothies or I'll make puddings or ice cream. What does this typical smoothie look like? Do you use like a good grass-fed way protein, weight protein powder? Yeah, it depends. I've created a lot of protein powders, but the base smoothie is some type of raw dairy,

could be cultured, could be cream. So right now we have sheep and goat in the house. Water buffalo is a huge favorite of mine. It's my favorite animal, we raise water buffalo. All of that is A2 naturally. And then you make a water, like a water buffalo way? No, no, all dairy. All raw dairy.

So it's either, let's call it for the average person, eight ounces of raw goat, sheep, or water buffalo milk. Those milks are all, not only raw, but they're A2 naturally, and they're naturally homogenized. And lastly, no one talks about this. They're all white no matter what they eat because those animals metabolize carotenoids. And so they'll create downstream metabolites

in the dairy, whereas cows milk, we love the yellow butter, the yellow milk, but that's kind of out of saluting if you will. The reason you're seeing the color is the grass creates the carotenoids in the milk, but it, and the cream rises to the top, so it's not homogenized.

All of the dairies I just mentioned are naturally homogenized. So eight ounces of that, three raw egg yolks. My favorite eggs are turkey eggs. I'm a little odd. I didn't know he can get turkey eggs. Well, we raise them. Turkey eggs are so hard to find. I was gonna say, I was gonna say,

because some people are sensitive to chicken eggs. So I love duck eggs, goose eggs. Duck is probably what we have the most of. And raw in the shape. You have three raw egg yolks. Then we'll use a little raw unheated honey, then some kind of fruit, a little bit of vanilla extract. That's the base.

And if you wanna add, we have a plethora of proteins. We'll use organic way. When you say we? My family. I'm the smoothie maker. So my job in the morning is to lay out supplements and smoothies. Okay. And I've been consuming that kind of a smoothie for 30 some years.

Are you using like a weight protein? Yeah, we can use an organic weight protein. We'll have beef protein. Okay. Because I have all these ingredients, a lot of what I use comes out of mason jars, et cetera. I think you know very, Josh and I started ancient nutrition years ago.

So we have good choice. We'll use collagen a lot of times in a smoothie. My kids have been consuming bone broth or collagen since either they were born or I've had them in the home. I even, since we adopted five kids, the infants we adopted, I made infant formula for them with 14 ingredients. always with a base of sheep or goat milk

because mother's milk's ate too. And the proximity to human mother's milk. Yes, very similar. Very similar with goat's milk, yeah. So you're on this journey, you get this article written, you start this business if you will, and which becomes one of the most prolific health brands ever. But then you hit another word,

and there's another diagnosis of metastatic kidney cancer. And for the second time now in your lifetime, you're told that the end is near. In fact, you had 100% chance of being dead in 90 days. You know, I had a great run in between, fortunately. So I got well in 96, end of 96. and then so it was 14 years later, 2008, that I was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

And what's interesting, Gary, is I was on a 10-month tour in a Prevaux 45-foot bus promoting a new book, a television series. Oh my God, a health book in the middle of that now. And we were going all around the country to all the famous sites in America. I was visiting churches and health food stores and doing media, and I was stopping at my home in West Palm,

and I was filming a segment called the supernatural athlete where I took amateur and professional athletes through a health program in the off season. I was so excited because I was going to do the whole program, but it was at that time when I started experiencing pain, didn't know what it was, and then I was diagnosed when I was home, so I had to cancel the rest of the tour.

But what was interesting, Gary, and this, I think so many people can resonate with this, when I was diagnosed with cancer, I didn't have pain. Like Crohn's disease, I was devastated every day was hell. The thing about cancer that I've learned over the last 18 years is that cancers at first a spiritual disease. And I believe what someone believes about their future has as much to do with their cancer outcome as any supplement, any medicine, any modality. So for me, when I was in the doctor's office and he said, I read up on you, I know who you are.

don't blank around with this. If you don't get conventional treatment, which would have been chemo, then a really invasive surgery followed by chemo again, there's a 100% chance you'll be dead in 90 days. My first thought, Gary, it wasn't horror, it wasn't fear, it wasn't anger. My first thought, believe it or not,

was this is a testimonial in the making because who has the right to tell you have a 100% chance of dying, not 90, not 80, 100? And even though my wife was shaken, we had just adopted two babies. Oh my gosh. Literally months before, I had a three-year-old turning four.

And you're how old that that's- I was 33. I had 200 employees. I mean, this was, this was, but you've been so good on your diet. So good. You had gotten yourself so healthy. I mean, have you ever pontificated on where did that come from?

Well, I can tell you exactly. So I didn't have kidney cancer, Gary. a pastor friend of mine that I led through kidney cancer. That was their story. I had testicular cancer, but here's the interesting part. I don't talk about this a lot, but when I was younger,

I had an undescended left testicle, like a lot of boys do. And my dad, being a naturopathic doctor, he worked with the doctor, and they agreed to not have the slip surgery that would have been so easy. What happened is this lodged in my inguinal area, and your testicles,

we talk, people talk about this with the sauna, et cetera, you need to have expansion, contraction, temperature control. So I thought I had an inguinal hernia or a sports hernia. I went in for a hernia surgery after trying a bunch of natural things and I woke up and they said you have cancer.

It was your testicle that was lodged there all these years and I learned later. Because I was gonna say this trajectory of like the clean eating and the torn around. It wouldn't make sense. There was a thousand fold increase of cancer because it was a full-sized testicle in my inguinal area for 33 years.

And it was basically a matter of time. We just didn't know. And now I do. So they removed the testicle, but it had already spread by then. The doctor came in and he said, there's more to discuss, gave me the prognosis.

And I know this is going to sound superhuman, but I reacted in a similar way to what catalyzed my healing from Crohn's colitis. The doctor goes out of the office to bring back my CT scan results. And we're in a public place, some guy's office, an oncologist, and I told my wife, Nikki, I said, guard the door. She said, what do you mean? I said, just stand in front of it. So I get down on my hands and knees, and I put my nose on the carpet.

I'm talking face to the ground. And I quoted Job 121. I said, naked I came into this earth. naked I shall return. It is the Lord who gives and the Lord who takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. I wanted the first thing that I did to say, God, I don't know how to get out of this, but I'm in your hands.

And the story of Job was he lost his wealth, he lost his kids, and he lost his health. But he never cursed God. He trusted God. It took a long time, but God gave him double everything that he lost. Now you can't make up for losing kids, but the story I think is important for anyone who is suffering. And so I did that. I told the doctor, I want to fight this naturally. He said you're committing suicide.

He wanted me to go to one of the leading world experts. I could have gone to Lance Armstrong's doctor in Indiana or to Harvard Medical. I chose Harvard. I met a man who told me as an oncologist, latest author of the textbook, world renown. He said, I've read about you. what are your fans going to think now? Like literally cursing me. Oh my gosh.

Because I asked a question, what kind of chemo am I getting? Because chemo's not chemo. It's certain medications. We just used that phrase, but is it cisplatin? Anyway, I wanted to ask one question, but you know, you can't ask some of these guys' questions.

Yeah, don't question the authority. So I walked out of Harvard Medical, the hallowed halls of Harvard, and my wife and I knew we'd never return, and I took 40 days again, and I put a program together where I was going to do 12 to 14 hours at home, I followed a raw omnivorous diet.

I did every therapy you can think of. I was telling you I used nasal inhalation of hydrogen four hours a day. There was a machine that I bought back then that could quench singlet oxygen radicals, all the stuff. How did you even find out about that? My dad. Okay, you dad. And then just sort of my travels to clinics

and, you know, because I'd been in the industry now for 13, 14 years. Yeah. Gary, I went in an infrared sauna two hours a day. First sauna, I drank a green juice, 64 ounces that I would freshly juice. The second one I had fresh pressed coconut cream, tomato and cucumber and honey.

I had certain smoothies to help me detoxify that were rich in a lachic acid because of the berries. I ate raw sock-eye salmon, savages, because it was high in ashtazanthin and omega-3s. Were you on raw meat, raw chicken, raw? Everything. Now I would marinate it in lemon juice, et cetera, and the meat was in olive oil, but everything was raw.

It was not raw vegan. It was raw omnivorous. I ate a couple of pounds of meat a day. One of my favorite biohacks outside of breathwork by far is mineral salts, Baja Gold, sea salt. It's got all of the trace minerals that the body needs. You know, most of us are not just protein deficient, meaning amino acid deficient or fatty acid deficient.

We are mineral deficient. So a quarter teaspoon of this in water first thing in the morning will make sure that you get all of the essential minerals that you need. It tastes amazing. In fact, I made a steak today. I actually made a grass-fed steak with grass-fed butter, and I put just mushrooms and a little bit of rosemary, and I sprinkled Baja Gold Sea Salt all over the top.

Try it. It'll be your new favorite for cooking, too. It's the cheapest and one of my favorite biohacks. I don't know, a $15 or $20 bag of this will probably last you five years. And it's literally the world's best biohacking secret. Now, let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. You weren't worried about like parasites, bacteria. So did you put it in vinegar?

Did you? No, just that lemon juice or that? Just lemon juice. And I'd already eaten, and I'm sure you have Carpaccio and sashimi, so I knew that this was healthy. And I had studied sort of the early Weston Price work. So I was all in. So all these things I was already consumed.

Raw meat, raw chicken, raw eggs. I've never said this publicly, Gary, but I can't lie. I did eat raw chicken once. Between you and whatever you, whoever I can tell. Yeah. But mostly raw meat and raw fish. Raw chicken weirds you out a little bit. But this was all from sources.

I could verify, I'm not just gonna go to the grocery store and get crummy chicken that has all kinds of chlorine solution. And this was source verified, et cetera. And every meat I ate had some kind of acidity to it to make it break it down. You were already on a relatively healthy trajectory at the time. So now you just really doubled down, right?

Oh yeah, triple down, quadruple down. You're not the first one to tell me, and there's someone I've rarely talk about on camera either that I have seen conduct what I, you know, from the outside in would it sound like miracles. And I haven't fully wrapped my arms around it yet, but it was raw colostrum, raw, raw meat, raw eggs, raw fish, and fermented vegetables,

honey, maple syrup, not even berries and has been the custodian of a very similar stories to yours. So I don't, again, I don't know

that I've wrapped my arms fully around the, you know, fully going wrong. And by wrap my arms around, it's like, I'm not, I'm not saying that that can't work, but there seems to be a lot of evidence for removing like there's charred,

you know, the AGEs. Yeah, the AGEs that form when we char. and, you know, create carcinogenic compounds. But wow. So now you started this raw journey. Yeah. Which also included, you know, vegetables. Oh, yeah, I did juices.

I did some fruits. And what were you juicing? Were you juicing things like celery? Yeah, so my main juice was celery, parsley, and peeled cucumber. And I would put a little lemon juice in and a little honey. I was drinking so much juice. Some of it I wanted to last a few days. So if you will put, excuse me, lemon juice and honey,

especially the best quality unheated honey, it will preserve, it'll preserve raw juice for a number of days. Oh, really? In glass jars. So I did that. And just to be clear, I have gone on in the last 18 years

to help many, many, many people navigate a cancer journey. And what I would recommend today, it's not exactly what I would recommend. And in fact, it's impractical to spend 12 to 14 hours a day, preparing, consuming raw foods, going in a sauna for two hours a day.

I got an hour of sunshine, at least five days of, the week at noon. I mean, these are things that most people don't have either the luxury to do. They don't trust themselves to go through this type of a program. So now when I work with people battling cancer, it's a little bit simpler. And I've been able to amass some more tools in my toolbox. I use a lot of intermittent fasting, which I've been personally practicing for 28 years. So there's a way to do it now that doesn't involve raw chicken, which now I'm the subject of fear factor apparently. Right, right. I don't think I've ever admitted that, Gary, on any

in public. Well, that's great, man. We're in our audience, you know, some great tips. I think, I think the framework of this, though, is taking the power back because when, you know, when I was doing the guest research on you, you actually controlled the framing of people that you would allow in your sphere. 100%. Like, there was no, talk to me like a cancer patient. Don't call me a cancer patient. I don't want to talk about. remission cures, I'm reframing this entire ecosystem that I'm, because words and thoughts are medicine. Oh, yeah. And, you know, you can speak things into existence. The Bible says, so I may I think these shall become. And I think when we accept that we are sick or dying or about to die, just the,

by virtue of simply accepting that, you're almost predetermining that in a way. And, I imagine you did a lot of prayer. Oh, yeah. But, you know, thankfully, you were in a place and had, you know, a family around you that allowed you to, you know, withdraw and go on this journey. Yeah, and I had to tell my team at Garden of Life at the time, I'd been diagnosed with a serious form of cancer. I didn't put my head in the sand pretend it didn't exist, but I said, listen, I'm healed.

The Bible says I'm healed. You're just going to watch it unfold and I'll be back, but I'm taking 40 days off. and this was in the Blackberry days, which you would have said, Jordan doesn't leave his Blackberry for one second, kind of like an iPhone today. Sure. I really didn't work.

And you mentioned prayer. I wrote out a prayer with the help of some great Bible teachers. My dad made some suggestions and the Word of God. And I quoted it three times a day out loud. It's five minutes long. And I've actually sent that to people around the world. It's in the Biblio Diet book. I offer it free on our website.

Because the power of the, the spoken word. The Bible says death and life is in the power of the tongue. That's you speaking over yourself and others speaking over you and you speaking over others. I don't say things like he's autistic or she's diabetic or I have cancer. I was so joyful during this 40 days,

very different than the Crohn's disease battle. If you would have said to me, hey Jordan, you have cancer, I would have been like, look around, who are you talking about? I just didn't own it, Gary. Not for a minute did I accept it. However, I tested it. I had blood work drawn every two weeks from a lab director who tested the blood marker three different ways.

I scheduled a CT scan at the same radiology center, 40 days later, all exactly the same. And the radiologist never talks to you. So he wouldn't know if I did chemo, surgery, but he was going to objectively review it because I needed A to say that alternative medicine is not my idol. life's more than that. I've got now three kids and a wonderful wife and people that count on me, but I also wanted the world to see that it was real. And so it was an amazing journey and God was very faithful. And I didn't tell people, Gary, about my cancer healing for quite some time. Now, normally, if I have a toenail that, you know, gets banged, I write a book afterwards, how to cure your

toenail. I mean, I was very open about things. And I want to, I'm, I want to, I just felt like I had to keep this, not a secret, but to myself, because I knew that when I shared it, there would be so many people that needed either a place to go or a universal answer, and I knew that 12 to 14 hours a day of all kinds of things that are stacked on each other, including that $15,000 hydrogen machine, raw foods. This wasn't practical, so I waited till God released me to share it.

And really the biblio diet's the first time in writing that I shared my story, which would, be 17 years after I feel like God healed me. But in the middle of that 17 years, people would come to me asking for advice on their cancer journey. I wouldn't tell them I had been there, done that, but I would share with them. And they would always say, Jordan, it's like you know what I'm thinking. You're so empathetic because this terrible fraternity of people diagnosed with cancer, when you hear that word, you make a decision. You start to die or you become. become a conqueror. And I do not want to make light of anyone watching and saying, but my dad died

of cancer. Are you saying that he chose to die or my aunt died? When I was diagnosed, it didn't matter who on the planet lived or died from cancer. It was between me and God and the people he entrusted me with. And all I focused on was healing. It didn't matter the percentages. It didn't matter the statistics. I had peace most of the time. A few times I got shaken when the lab director called me and I see his number on my phone and my handshakes. Yeah, of course. But all in all, I was able to conquer cancer in a way that could be replicable for other people.

And over time, I feel like God's revealed to me, I say health secrets from the Bible that can help anyone today, even if they don't have the means or the ability or the trust to do what I did and pretty much lead my own program. Wow. I'm going to fast forward to the Bibio Diet. and you talk about the framework for because there's, you know, such a war out there for people

want to be very dogmatic about dying. It's all carnivore, paleo, pescatarian, vegan, vegetarian, raw food. It's all plant-based. It's all all meat-based. It's, and I think, you know, zooming out and taking a reference point that goes back centuries and not only was preached through the word in the Bible, but also we have centuries of data, right? Actual data on this.

I think the combination of that, you know, modern realistic view of what the data says and what the Bible actually dictates, the convergence of those to me makes an enormous amount of sense. In fact, you know, I say that, you know, when we look at like Eastern medicine, things that have been around for 5,000 years usually don't stick around because they don't work, right? And everyone wants the peer-reviewed, published, randomized, placebo-controlled, clinical trial, gold standard data. But sometimes centuries of data is more valid. Like, it's a larger data set.

and we have, you know, an enormous amount of validation for these things. So I want to fast forward to the Bibliad Diet. I want to talk about, you know, how you eat now. You call it cyclical fasting or intermittent fasting? Who knows? It was called something different when I did it. It was eating only, you know, one, maybe two meals a day, but it started when I was 21 because actually I was trying to do sort of a fitness

competition within our office, and I met a man from Israel who introduced this concept of what is now called intermittent fasting or time restricted eating, and it made sense that in the old days, you either worked, hunted, or battled, and the only time you really could relax and eat was in the evening. In the Bible, they always talk about reclining at table. You know, they would sort of like lean back, et cetera, but you can't do that if you're about to be hunted. So you almost always ate your main meal when it was dark. And I interviewed some of my, relatives at the time. I'm of Jewish heritage. And so I asked my grandmother who grew up in Poland, which I think now would be the Ukraine, hey, grandma, what'd you eat for breakfast? What'd you eat for lunch?

And she almost always ate her main meal with her family at dinner because there was too much to do otherwise. And it took them a whole day to prepare the food. She said, maybe I'd pick a crab apple from my friend's tree or, you know, dip something, you know, in oil. But yeah, so that started quite some time ago and it made me a little more resilient. So for example, you said, hey, have you eaten anything before this podcast? And I have a friend, he's actually a mutual friend of ours, so I'm meeting with after. And he said, Jordan, can I come bring you food when we pick you up? And I said, sure, but I can go without eating. I'm going to go visit a regenerative farm. Well, mine comes from an Amish farm. So yeah, yeah. No, you'll see, you'll see. I'll see. I'll happily eat. But my point is,

I feel like the old adage we had when you and I were growing up was eat six meals a day. stoke your metabolism, I can go hours or days without eating and sometimes even feel better. So that's definitely a big part of not just biblical eating, but historical eating. But today I would say I'm a regenerative omnivore in terms of my diet. I prioritize protein, I love meat. We're blessed to raise some of the world's healthiest meat.

We prioritize water buffalo or Asian buffalo, which is so amazing. I love eggs, we have our own eggs, and we feed them over 100 nutrient dense fruits and vegetables a day. The food scraps from Sprout's Farmers Market, so we don't feed them any grain, and they're amazing. And then I consume raw dairy. It depends on sort of today, well, when I get home late,

I'll probably have a sheep yogurt smoothie. And I still have a sweet tooth, but I'll make healthy treats with, you know, I love ice cream, so we make our own raw ice cream recipe, which is great. And I'll still probably eat once a day, maybe twice. I love sourdough, iron corn bread. So the only grains I'll eat would be sort of that heirloom,

lower gluten, less hybridized. And we eat kind of a beyond organic diet. And I'm blessed that many of my kids eat this way to now by choice. And some of them even correct me, which is great. They'll go to a trade show in our industry like Natural Products Expo West and they'll walk the booths and they'll be offered samples and they'll say, no, these have seed oils or no, this isn't grass fed.

It's not really grass fed. So we love what we eat. The myth is that you have to eat twigs, rocks, and a few berries to be healthy. But I like to say the Biblio Diet's the only diet book that doesn't just allow but recommends meat, dairy, bread, fat, and salt. I know you agree with all those.

No diet recommends all of them. Some recommend one, and you, And to your point, we live in a world where there's so much disparity. The vegans say that animals are killing you and the planet, and the carnivore dieters say that plants are trying to kill you. And today we have to frame, to your point, what works and what doesn't work. But I believe the Bible over science, I believe the Bible over research. So if Jesus was referred to as the bread of life and even called himself that,

I need to find out what bread is the healthiest because it can't be bad. Right. And so we eat sourdough bread almost every day. Some people say, Jordan, can you have some bread with your butter? Because I'm a big butter fan. I love cream. I love extra virgin olive oil.

I take a shot of it every day. Same here. I wake up and take it every morning. Milligrams of polyphenols per kilo. So I would be considered an outlier like you. Yeah. Where do you source the olive oil from? You know what?

It's anywhere where I can, can find it. And I do this because I want people not to hear that I got it from the Greek islands, which I originally did, but I'll go on Amazon and I'll type in high polyphenolic olive oil. And I look for over a thousand milligrams of polyphenols per kilo. It's the kind that makes you cough. Yeah. And we do some prayers at dinner. Yep. And we take a shot while quoting Acts 1-8, which says, I will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon me and I'll be your witness in Nashville, Tennessee into all the ends of the earth. I say that because oil represents the Holy Spirit. You know, I read a scripture, Gary, post-biblio diet because the Bible should be a book that we

could read once and understand, but it's in my life a living and active book, and God speaks to me over time. How could I write a book called The Maker's Diet and leave out important biblical truths about diet? I don't know how, but I did. So later God revealed more to me and that birthed the Bibliotia diet. And even after that, I was reading Job, and Job described the prime of his life. And he said, the streets flowed with cream and the rocks stripped with olive oil. People say Jordan, but isn't fat bad, isn't saturated fat bad. I say two things. One, if God wanted skim milk, he would have put a cream separator on the utter of a cow, goad, or sheep. Yeah. And number two, where do we get all these great sayings from, euphemisms, analogies, like the cream of the crop?

That's how farmers measured their success. We describe someone who's the best athlete, the best student as the cream of the crop. When somebody starts at a low position and goes all the way to the top, we say the cream always rises to the top. But yet we homogenize, which hurts our heart. We pasteurize, which hurts our gut.

We've really done a lot to destroy our food. And so I think what you and I do more than anything is give people permission to eat like their grandparents would have, which is lot of. It's just how do you get around the system? That's what I, you know, that's, you know, a lot of what we talk about could be categorized as fearmongering, but it's not fearmongering. It's really just teaching people how to get back to the basics.

Yes. And get around the system. And it used to be the only way that you could source your food, but now convenience, you know, is significantly more important for most people than nutrition or for a lot of people than nutrition, nutrient density and what have you. So just to distill this entire conversation down to some practical things that people could do. So someone's listening to this podcast. What did they do tomorrow? You know I'm all about optimizing performance. And lately, I've been using the ion weighted vest during my workouts.

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That's A-I-O-N-gear.com. And you can use code Ultimate for 10% off and start training smarter today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. First of all, you believe you can be healed. I could actually drop the mic, not that this mic could be dropped. You could drop it up. That is number one. And if you don't believe, it's really difficult to get well.

You have to believe, so faith, and then you have to take action. And if you have a disease that is very serious, take the greatest amount of action possible. I would tell you to quit your job because what's the point of having a job? if you're not alive. Find a way to focus on your health. Find someone to guide you. Bud Keith infused hope in my life. What's interesting, Gary,

he gave me a framework of eating and I actually followed something that was pretty different. The principles were there, but he wanted me to consume all this raw milk. And to your point, I couldn't handle raw dairy.

I had to find keifer or cream because all that lactose and it just wasn't able with a gut that was wrecked to be tolerated. right at the time. But he encouraged me. He told me,

don't be negative. Stop talking about your disease and start talking about being healed, which was so amazing. Something else that is very underappreciated. If you're sick and desperate, forgive those people that have hurt you and deal with your emotional crap.

During my cancer battle, I took four days, Gary, to go over sequentially. Every memory I had where someone hurt me and I prayed to be healed from it. I didn't want that virus to be on my hard drive anymore and keep replaying it.

And then I asked God to forgive me for all the people I hurt. Took me four days. And I promise you, I'd rather eat raw chicken three times a day than have to deal with my emotional junk. Right. Or take pills or colonics.

Yeah. This was hard stuff. Because I remembered a time where my baseball coach when I was seven, I was in a slump and he said, if you strike out one more time,

I'm gonna do something terrible to you. That's still welled up in me. I still remembered it. So I dealt with that and it removes something from me that was worse than any toxin. Oh, yeah. And then improve your diet.

People say to me, Jordan, I don't want to go on a diet. I've been doing this for 30 years. I don't want to go on a diet. I just want to eat whatever. I said, you're already on a diet. Yours just sucks. Yeah.

You eat the same things over and over again. People don't buy 30,000 items in the grocery store. They buy the same crap. Right. Today, everywhere you go, my assistant was going to Costco and we were texting, what do you want to get from Costco?

Costco has good food now. Yeah. Oh, no, they do. Walmart has good food. Walmart is actually the largest organic grocer in the world. There's no excuse. When I was doing this,

I had to order Salmon Row from Alaska and I had to order dairy from here and piecing it together was so difficult. But today, it's everywhere, it's cool. So just do it.

And you mentioned this too is so important. Tune out the noise of people that won't believe with you. When I was battling cancer, I didn't go public with my quote unquote audience. I told 40 people, my employees, family and friends, and anyone who said, but Jordan, don't you think you need to do chemo? Jordan, I'm worried about you dying. I didn't have them in my life for that period of time.

They were fired or put in time out, along with the doctors that told me I'd be dead. and I needed an environment of healing. And I coach people like you do, and I'm sure you've seen this where family members can interfere. Like a woman wants to be healthy, wants to get on track,

but her adult children are sort of stuck in the medical paradigm. Yeah, but it's also, you know, or the inconvenience or their job or their career. So tomorrow morning, what is it that they do? And is there a framework for, okay, if I can source raw dairy, I start by adding, you know, goat milk, kaffir, maybe raw yogurt to my diet. Would you say I would start with a limited, restricted feeding window,

putting words in your mouth and say, you know, eat your first meal at noon, eat your last meal at 8 p.m., whatever it is. Could you just give some raw contextual, you know, rough contextual framework? I mean, obviously, I'm going to encourage them to read the Bibliot Diet. but what are some of just the foundational must-haves? Is it fermented foods? Is it meat, dairy, fish, avoiding bottom feeders, which is where all, by the way, all the heavy metals are

that have come out in the excrement for fish. Fish secrete heavy metals in their feces and things that are crawling around the bottom of the ocean are tablizing that. But avoiding pork because of the high incidence of parasites mainly. So what are three, four, five simple, rough contextual framework ideas that you would say this is a foundation for where you can begin this journey? Well, you nailed a lot of it.

I would start with an eight-hour eating window, so 12 to 8, eventually get down maybe to 4 to 8, the four hours a day. This is if you're dealing with a lot of inflammation, if you've got some weight to lose, or if you're battling cancer or another illness. If you're just want to develop sort of a rough contextual framework for this is going to be the rest of my life. Oh, yeah, well, that's great for you. And I'm not dealing with any particular chronic disease. Which is rare these days.

Yeah, no, it is. Sleep is critical. Go to sleep before 10 p.m. and wake up the same time every day. Get sunlight around noon if you can. Don't burn yourself, but make sure to get UVB rays. You've got to do it.

And then when it comes to eating, when you consume dairy, A2 only at a minimum. It'll either be labeled A2 or it comes from a go to a sheet. Right. A lot of the A2 is pasteurized and homogenized. It is. You can get raw A2 better, but if you can't get raw,

then just do the pasteurized. And by the raw today, because you mentioned social media is so great. Back in the day, there wasn't a resource. You have to ask for the local goat lady at the health food store. Look up, just type in raw milk near me. You might have to join a herd share.

Everywhere I go, wherever I've lived, I find the illegal raw milk co-op. So you gotta do that. When prioritize protein, meat is the center of your plate. Eat it first and eat it most. It's just the way you eat your vegetables. Always. Protein means of primary importance

that which comes first. So red meat is great. I eat it every day. I don't think it's a side dish. If you're gonna consume fish, I love wild, sock-eye salmon. You can get canned. You can get it frozen all year round,

not only omega-3s, but astazanthin. If you eat poultry, dark meat instead of white meat, that's where the minerals are. Or make a soup and then you get collagen on top of it. Eat the skin if it's a pasture-raised or organic chicken. I love eggs.

make sure to consume them whole, but if you use them raw in smoothies, just the yolk, just the yolk in smoothies raw. And why is that? The egg white contains something called avidin, which can bind to biotin. It's not terrible, but egg whites are actually better cooked. They're more easily absorbed.

Yeah, you didn't mind over easy, like, and when I do it, it's just like, so it's not completely runny, but the yolk is very runny. I love eggs, you're making me hungry. Yeah, yeah. And then I love dark colored fruits, pomegranates, berries are great.

I love consuming vegetables that are really fruits like squashes and zucchini, et cetera. Make sure to consume vegetables. I do not consume a lot of grain products other than sourdough or a whole grain like a pharaoh, which is emmer, something that is more ancient. I'll eat quinoa occasionally,

but it's not sort of an everyday thing. If you eat potatoes, eat purple sweet potatoes, why not get the most you can get out of your food? Drink pure water. and as I said before, believe, think good thoughts. I think that is so important because we live in a negative environment where you have permission to say terrible things.

You can mention your disease a thousand times, but if you say you're healed, you're a cock-eyed optimist or an idiot. You've got to believe. And Gary, I'm a huge fan of all of the biohacking things, whether it's barefoot walking or forest bathing. I used to communicate with Clint Ober, the very first sort of grounding, earthing guy

when I was 19 years old, and all this stuff is sort of coming back around again. All the things you're doing here, I love infrared sauna, I love the idea of getting cold exposure. I love making sure that blue light is minimized and that your balance with circadian rhythms blackout when you sleep. But if you will get the foods right, consume a whole mineral salt.

That's something that we both agree with very much wholeheartedly. So those are the basics, and you can eat meatloaf on the bibliode. I'll tell you how to make Eyncorn pizza on the Bibliot diet, ice cream on the Bibliot diet. Yeah. But it's going to be in a way that the food has been consumed for thousands of years. It'll take you a little bit of work.

But when you find those sources, you'll also find new friends that go to biological dentists. Maybe they homeschool their kids. Maybe they don't allow every vaccination known to man or every kind of junk food in the house. A lot of times you need to find your people, your tribe. Yeah. Because when I was younger, I was embarrassed about what I ate

because I was the only kid who ate natural foods. You know, think of it as Halloween, everybody else gives candy and we give sprouts, you know? So today it's cool. There's health food restaurants popping up. I heard of this nude Miami place. Oh, yeah, yeah. I haven't been there yet, but I've seen all the...

Yeah, you're in a hotbed right here. It's like the air one of, you know, the... South. Yeah. Yeah, so those are all things anybody, can do. The sleep's so important, it's free. Drink pure water. It's free. Think good thoughts. It's free. Get sunshine. It's free. You said this so many times. There's great biohacks. Red light's amazing. I use it almost every day. But if you can't afford red light, you can still get amazing.

Like rock walking, you know, to me, I talk about it all the time. I feel just as good after three and a half mile walk in the woods. And in our Colorado places, I do getting out of a million dollars and biohacking technology, sometimes even better. But now, and so that the contextual framework of the diet, that's amazing, any must-have herbs, tinctures, teas that we should be consuming on a regular basis that are either anti-parasitic, pro-detoxification, you know, anti-inflammatory, are there some that we should weave in, you know, as a part of our diet, they're sort of must-haves on a weekly basis.

You know, Gary, I've never hit a home run on the softball field, but you just logged me one, so I appreciate it. I love herbs and spices. Yeah. Herbs are amazing, spices are even better. Get as much of it as you can in your diet in the Middle East.

Jesus even chastised the Pharisees and said you tithe dill, mint, and cumin. That means that was as valuable as gold. So consume dill and men are herbs, cumin's a spice. We know about turmeric and ginger. Spice your food up. That will be really important.

But the main revelation that the Lord gave me for the Bibliot Diet is to consume fruit tree leaves in the form of a tea. I call it healing leaves. There are two verses in the Bible, Ezekiel 4712 and Revelation 22, 2, that says the fruit will be for food and the leaves for healing or the leaves are for the healing of the nations. Gary, in 2019, God spoke to me almost verbally, almost audibly. and I knew I was gonna devote my life to that. So for the last seven years, I've been planting orchards on my farms consuming and harvesting fruit tree leaves.

When I drove in my ride here. So you harvest the fruit and then you take the leaves and what do you do? You make a tea. You make a tea. Or do it fresh. So when I was driving here, I saw a beautiful mango tree in someone's yard.

Mango leaves are antiviral. They're anti-H-I-V. They're anti-parasitic. My goats, sheep, and livestock, they don't get dewormed. They eat leaves because they naturally deworm. They have similar compounds

and a similar result to what Ivermectin would have. So I started calling people in 2019 asking to buy avocado leaves and mango leaves. I traveled all over Israel looking for fruit trees, Kenya, India. So fruit tree leaves are some of the least popular herbs. People throw them away, they compost them,

they are powerful. So I take a blend of 12 fruit tree leaves. I give a recipe in the book. You've probably heard of sour sap or gravie. Graviola, that's a great one. Olive leaves are amazing. Raspberry leaves are amazing. So I have been cultivating a big part of my life

this idea that I want the world to consume healing leaves instead of tea. Now, tea is fine, but if God says the fruit will be for food. But you can, you boil it, right? Yeah, you do, yeah, absolutely. And it's antiphyphingal, antiviral, antibacterial. You can find science on that. Not a lot, but enough.

It's anti-inflammatory. It lowers blood sugar if yours is elevated and it's immune boosting containing elagic acid, chlorogenic acid, kepheic acid, get this. Quercetin is amazing and it became popular during COVID. Quercetin was discovered in an oak leaf, Gary. Wow. Oak, the genus is quirkus.

So if you have a white oak, it's quirkus Alba. So you can go in your yard if it's not sprayed in May through July, which is when they're at their most nutrient dens, cut oak leaves, boil water, and have quercetin, gallic acid, elagic acid, and they have tannins that help to either tighten or loosen tissue, depending on what you need.

Our medicine is around us. Dr. Josh Axe, our mutual friend said this. He said money doesn't grow on trees, but medicine does. Yeah. Well, I like that one. Jordan, absolutely amazing. For my audience that wants to know more about you, obviously I'm going to put a link to the Bibliot Diet and the podcast knows.

Where can they find you on social media? I spent the last 10 years helping Josh build his social media. I just started in July, so I have an Instagram, Jordan S. Rubin. I'll send him over to him. And I do have a new podcast coming that'll drop next month as well. And Jordanrubin.com, you can get the free healing prayer for cancer. You can get chapter 14 of the biblio diet free, which is the healing leaves recipe. You can make it anywhere around the world if you're listening,

because fruit tree leaves are an abundant resource and when we cut them, the trees grow even better. So it's amazing. And if you're battling cancer or a serious disease, pray that prayer three times a day out loud. I've heard miracles when people's mouth then gets their mind and heart to line up with what they want instead of reading all the horrible news, six months,

you're going to die, listening to people cursing you. That is not the environment you need to live and you need to live in hope. Vitamin H is the most deficient nutrient we have. I agree with you. Vitamin hope. The world. Yeah.

So I wind down all of my podcast by asking my guests the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? My goal every day and for the end of my life is two things, to love God and love people. The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. and I need to do a better job of it, but I know I'm here on earth to continue to do that. The Bible says to whom much is given, much is expected or required, and it's my duty to help people

who are on a journey and want healing. So that's how I become an ultimate human, and God can say, hopefully, well done, my good and faithful servant. Yeah, Jordan Rubin, amazing. There's so much to unpack here. We really covered a lot of ground, but it's very inspirational. Thank you for coming on the old thing. Thank you so much for having. And we're going to follow your journey. Thank you. And until next time, guys, that's just science.