The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 45. Tim Gray | Hyperbaric Chambers, Methylene Blue, Healing Leaky Gut & How to Improve Your Sleep

Starting point is 00:00:00 Fixing the gut fixed my low energy, my low mood, my anxiety. And then we actually had a shot at overcoming some of the most debilitating ailments. UK's leading expert on biohacking. Tim has been optimizing his health, energy and mind for over seven years using a vast array of modalities. I got ill. It started with urinary tract infections and kidney stones. I was in and out of the doctors and I said to him, like, what's wrong with me? He shrugged his shoulders and said, can't find anything wrong. And yet, you know, I was falling apart.

Starting point is 00:00:29 What are a sequence of activities that you think every human being should be doing that could change the trajectory of their life? The first thing that anyone should do is... Ultimate Humans. hey guys tim gray is widely recognized as the uk's the united kingdom's leading biohacker he's renowned for his significant contributions to the field of health and optimization tim's journey into biohacking began due to a personal health challenge, including his chronic illness that left him bedbound at the age of 32. And as you know, I love having guests that have been on a personal journey. And through this extensive self-research and the application of biohacking principles, Tim was able to transform his health, effectively reducing his biological age by nearly a decade.

Starting point is 00:01:24 His personal experience fueled a passion to educate and empower others, leading to the founding of the Health Optimization Summit, which I actually intend to speak at this coming June. This is Europe's largest health conference that bridges the gap between biohacking, nutrition, fitness, and preventative medicine. Tim's approach to biohacking is grounded in practicality and accessibility, emphasizing simple yet impactful challenges and changes to daily routines. He really advocates for natural sunlight exposure, reducing the blue light exposure at night,

Starting point is 00:01:56 grounding, walking barefoot on the surface of the earth, which you know I am a huge fan of, and ensuring adequate sleep as a foundational practice that significantly enhances health without any cost. Additionally, Tim stresses the importance of clean drinking water filtered to improve impurities and suggests adding minerals back to the water to support the body's immune system. His daily regimen includes practices like using a standing desk to improve concentration and blood flow. He champions a diet rich in proteins and fats over carbohydrates to stabilize blood sugar levels. And he also highlights the critical role of sleep in the immune system's function and overall health. He advocates for

Starting point is 00:02:36 quality sleep as the cornerstone of health optimization and informs patients that regular blood testing forms a part of the strategy to monitor and address nutrient deficiencies. Again, major, major area of focus for myself. Further tailoring his biohacking efforts to his body's specific needs. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast, Tim Gray. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist, Gary Brekker, where we go down the road, everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. You know who today's guest is, and you're probably just as excited as I am. You know, I often feel that the greatest impact on humanity and some of the most amazing and impactful health journeys are born from need. You know, there's a lot of great researchers, MDs, PhDs, clinicians out there in the world, but some of the greatest minds are born from the darkest place in their life and solving a real issue.

Starting point is 00:03:38 And in the solution, they found that they had something, a gift that they could give to humanity. And that is really the gift I believe that my next guest is going to share with you. I'm really excited about this podcast. He is known as the, I know he hates this title, he's recognized as the UK's leading biohacker. And he hates that, but welcome to the podcast, Tim Gray. Man, I'm really excited to have you on today. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So we actually, we just shared the stage at a biohacking summit here in Miami. But what I really want to do is, you know, to let my audience get to know you, for those

Starting point is 00:04:18 of you that are not aware of you and your work and your impact on humanity. I really like to talk about where the journey began for you um because i think that the journeys that mold the rest of our life sometimes create the greatest impact on the rest of humanity and i've i've interviewed some just unbelievable minds on the podcast and i found that the ones that had a really deep personal journey and found a solution um are the most dedicated and they're the most committed to getting their message out so talk a little bit about about your journey uh okay so I'm trying to think what to what to leave out and what's the most relevant. But I guess I was work hard, play hard mentality.

Starting point is 00:05:06 I was running a marketing agency at the time and actually two companies at the time. And I would wake up at 8, 8.30. I'd have a coffee, maybe two. I'd rush out the door, sit in traffic, get into the office, work through till 6, 6.30. And then drive to the next place and work through till 8 get home through the door at 9 30 eat something jump into bed wash rinse repeat saturday night i'd be so stressed i'd be like i would think my what i now know to be meditation and calming my mind was going out and getting absolutely wasted on a saturday night being hung

Starting point is 00:05:43 over all day sunday thinking that spending the day in bed was good for you. I think half the audience is going, what's wrong with that so far? I mean, I guess I was your typical Homer Simpson, um, skinnier. And, and I thought that that was okay. And then I went to, I went traveling. I had some, uh, a few jabs before I went to I went traveling I had some uh a few jabs before I went for various things and you know I think that was part a small part of you know the the compound effect of all these negative things that I was doing um and then I went to Bali and on the way back as literally as soon as I landed I started having this insane cutting feeling in my side anyway it turned out I had formed kidney stones because I was so dehydrated and I had it turns out leaky gut and various other things but I went and adrenally fatigued and I just couldn't carry on anymore and

Starting point is 00:06:39 I was I went from being a successful business guy earning pretty good money running a great company full of vibrant people that are all drinking coca-cola and eating birthday cake and all this stuff thinking hello and um i guess it was the straw that broke the camel's back all of these things came together and i couldn't leave the house i was stuck in bed and i was in and out of the doctors every single day in one particular week every single day i got to know the receptionist at the doctor's surgery by first name basis in fact i could text him and say i need to come in but where it came to a head was one day i said to the doctor like dr norris what's wrong with me and he shrugged his shoulder and said can't find anything can't find anything there there i was found out to be adrenally fatigued kidney stones bloating digestive issues prostate infections urinary tract infections

Starting point is 00:07:32 and how old are you this time uh so i would have been 32 33 um and and i was peeing 30 to 50 times a day and that's no exaggeration i'd have a cup of tea like a true Brit would and um I'd end up peeing it almost straight out so and and all they got me to do was 24 hour pee challenge test to see what was in my urine but they said nothing wrong so it's like got to the point when the doctor shrugged his shoulders and said there's nothing we can do there's like nothing wrong it's like this can't be right and it was kind of like it was a give up or go all in approach and i'm always an all-in type i either do it or i don't like a lot of us biohackers you know we're either all in or nothing and so i got a pack of post-it notes i wrote down all the symptoms i stuck them on the wall and looked at the cause and effect and researched

Starting point is 00:08:21 each and every thing so i could trace them back to one point. And for me, it actually came back to high levels of mercury. But then obviously years later, as methylation became, I mean, early days of methylation and how things with DNA evolved or DNA analysis, it turned out that I have the two MTHFR SNPs and MTRR SNPs as well. So I don't detoxify mercury very well, which meant it built up,

Starting point is 00:08:50 which then meant that I had low white blood cell count and various other things. So it was like this spiral effect. So then I got to know Andy Cutler's work in mercury collation and then Christopher Shade and Daniel Pompers and everything. I just had Danieliel pomp on on the podcast incredible human similar journey right because and this is what i mean it was born his his journey was born out of just a need he was so sick he couldn't get out of bed he wasn't of being a father wasn't being a husband didn't have really a career to speak of and he was a

Starting point is 00:09:21 chiropractor that was trying to treat patients. He's a really great guy. Amazing. He's actually part of a mastermind. And so we hung out on an island in Croatia last year. So I got to know him there. All right. Yeah. So really it turned out that it was mercury poisoning,

Starting point is 00:09:37 which meant things like antibiotics that I was on for three months ruined my gut, which means I wasn't digesting food properly, which meant I then got deficient in nutrients and also because of the gut issue it turned out that the frequent urination was actually low in minerals so i tested one by one different minerals to see what helped me retain the water and for me the thing that went from peeing 30 to 50 times a day to peeing five times a day within 48 hours was adding potassium into my diet. Wow. That's it literally never happened again. And my, my doctor said impossible, but when you understand hydration and retaining water or expelling water and everything in between and mercury poisoning

Starting point is 00:10:17 and how mercury competes for the cell to stop magnesium, get into it for instance, actually it's like, that's it it so i never had the problem ever again so it's these things it's kind of like i realized that the doctors understand medicine and how to hide symptoms but those symptoms are saying hello we've got something going on here don't ignore us you know they're like messengers so i carried on and then i realized that I was operating at probably 50 or 60 percent and then of course the more biohacks you do or whatnot the more you realize how unoptimal you are and then it becomes almost an addiction to the point where you're doing all the supplements and all of the technologies and you're addicted to it and you know that's kind of been the journey to this point

Starting point is 00:11:02 one thing that I found about 2016 and this is when I started to get, I guess, known and started getting the title of the UK's leading biohacker, um, which I'm so embarrassed about, but, um, I heard, um, I heard about hyperbaric oxygen therapy and what timeframe is this? Uh, so this is about 2015 2016 um and i had one session of it and i was thinking like i'm doing this crazy thing i don't know anyone else has ever done it and i'd heard about it on a podcast in america right yeah you knew about it for the dive the bends right i mean that's the only thing that people associate it with exactly and it's just like there's this pressure coming up and i don't know what's going on. Anyway, afterwards, I got on the train to go back because it was a two hour journey. And I fell asleep on the train and missed my stop. And I was like, there's something in this because I don't sleep during the day. I'm so performance athletes and you know well-known people to the clinic started sharing my journey about it got heard and um and then I got to know the Bulletproof guys and I was invited to the

Starting point is 00:12:17 Pasadena event in 2017 loved the event came back to Englandland realized that we didn't have anything like it created a meetup which grew to like 300 people and um everyone was saying what's biohacking though so yeah as a marketer i said well it's health optimization that then grew to thousands of people and then i created the summit so that's really the journey. Health Optimization Summit. Yeah. And so, you know, looking back, first of all, I'm a huge believer in the basics, right? I mean, human beings need 91 essential minerals. We need eight essential amino acids. We need three essential fatty acids. As you become deficient in those just basics, you get the expression of disease, which is what you had. You know, you have the expression was frequent urination,

Starting point is 00:13:09 but it wasn't a pathology or a disease. It was a deficiency. And, you know, I'm an enormous believer in that, that, you know, the majority of time people are not as sick as they think they are deficient. So, you know, looking back, what was it that the hyperbaric chamber did um for you and that was such a was such a game changer and correcting this i was a mouth breather i was a snorer and i wasn't exercising properly because i was so fatigued and i was seriously unoxygenated and because of

Starting point is 00:13:46 the antibiotics and the gut issues i wasn't utilizing the nutrients properly such as and so oxygenation obviously iron levels weren't particularly great right um and i just wasn't oxygenated properly and my brain like and my posture was even like even even worse it's one of the things i have to work on as an ectomorph with really bad posture and tight muscles at the front. I have to always work on my posture. I always have to push working out, even though I'm super skinny, I work really hard on that. You work really hard to be skinny, really, really hard to actually keep any muscle on it. Right. It's like, actually I was talking to Ben greenfield about it and he's like i'm an ectomorph too dude and it's like always hard to continue to build so it's like i have to

Starting point is 00:14:29 work like most people do to build just to maintain it's crazy so the point is hyperbaric and anyway i felt like it gave my body one of the major building blocks that i couldn't get until i changed my posture i got into nose breathing I was hydrated properly and I'd fix my gut so I think hyperbaric was a shortcut right which kept me going and I was doing a session every single day at one point every single day 90 minutes yeah no well 60 to 90 minutes depending on how much work I had and whatnot and it was great for about six months. And if I did one session a week, my energy peaked. And then over the week it came down. If I did two, it kind of like improved longer.

Starting point is 00:15:11 Three, perfect. Above four, it was just no difference. So I then tapered it back to four times a week. And then when I had fixed the hydration and my gut and all these things, I found that hyperbaric is great before and after travel, but doesn't really do much for me on a day-to-day right and for and for the folks that are not familiar with hyperbaric i mean talk a little bit about what hyperbaric is i mean pressure and you know what sort of physiological change and impact does it have on the body? Yeah. So we, depending on the atmospheric pressure, we dissolve significantly more oxygen in the blood when we're under

Starting point is 00:15:52 different atmospheric pressures. So with a hyperbaric chamber, you have 95 to 99% oxygen via a mask in a chamber where you have increased atmospheric pressure so you dissolve more oxygen in the blood basically so for when the body is struggling to get oxygen or doesn't have enough and it's suboptimal having hyperbaric i think it's up to 15 times um the amount of oxygen available to the body to repair so for instance people typically know hyperbaric as as you mentioned, for the bends, so from diving problems. But actually, it's now being recommended quite frequently for people with diabetic foot wounds, for instance, where they'd usually have to have their foot amputated. Right. But having hyperbaric actually gets it healing again, so they don't have to have it amputated. That's how amazing it is from getting you to heal from the inside out. Now, the interesting thing is, is like clients that we had,

Starting point is 00:16:45 and I use the word clients, not patients, because we were a wellness center when I had my clinic. The amount of people that had hyperbaric, they did very well with it. They started healing better, but then couldn't commute into London to do it. So we gave them breathing exercises, five minutes of breathing exercises

Starting point is 00:17:03 and movement at the same time. And they found that they didn't need the hyperbaric so much anymore. breathing exercises of five minutes of breathing exercises and movement at the same time and they found that they didn't need the hyperbaric so much anymore so it's just showing that sedentary lifestyle as we know is one of the biggest one of the biggest issues for short life well these people weren't moving around enough they weren't exercising and just giving them simple breathing exercises and some movement yeah help fix. So hyperbaric basically oxygenates your body and helps it heal from the inside out. And as we know, we can't go without oxygen for very long. So what happens if we're just a little bit deficient for over a period of time, the body is

Starting point is 00:17:35 in a protection mode, which means it can't be relaxed. We're in a sympathetic versus a parasympathetic state, and then we're never going to heal. Yeah. So we're not in rest and digestion. I mean mean first of all you're like hitting on some of my favorite topics uh and i'm a huge fan of breathwork and and some of the simple things that you can do that don't cost anything that will change the trajectory of your life and i i think the problem if there is one with things like sunlight and grounding and breathwork um is number, they're free. Number two, they're very easy. They're portable. You can do them anywhere. So people don't really think,

Starting point is 00:18:08 well, you know, how can that have such an impact on my health? I mean, I can harness that every day. You know, I could walk right out on my balcony, expose my skin to sunlight. I could do some breathwork. I could touch the surface of the earth and ground. they they really poo the impact um that that could have so interesting point on this one of the patterns that i saw quite a while ago actually and dr ted akikoso actually succinctly said it but after you know and i and i love it and i talk about it quite a lot is that everything that we call a biohack is using technology to mimic a natural environment i agree hyperbaric breathwork clean air red light therapy sunrise sunset you know like grounding bed sheets shoes off in the grass you know yeah mineral remineralizing and

Starting point is 00:19:00 reverse osteosis water for instance natural water you know all of these things is like so whenever i see a new technology now i look at it and i think how is this mimicking nature so when people say well i don't think nature actually is impactful you're actually just looking at a slightly diluted version the natural one that our body evolved using and then using some of these devices is like bombarding it with to fill the deficiencies right so that's that's the pattern so that's why like dr ted akikosa actually says the prescription for optimal health is eat well sleep well hydrate well ground well love well um move well breathe well sun well yeah and i think it's not as sexy as saying buy this grounding bed sheet or buy this red light device and people want they want the painkiller not the multivitamin

Starting point is 00:19:54 right so i think when it's wrapped up together as in like do you do eat well you know sleep well ground well it's almost a branded product which then people can attach to and say, oh, here's my tick list for the day. Right. So this is, you know, how I think that going from a complete layman and not knowing anything about health and not even caring about it to being an addict of, you know, 50 plus supplements a day and all the technologies and not doing the basics, realizing the basics are connected and then doing the basics and then the other things as a bolt-on you go through this is it um i'm trying to remember the name of it but it's like when you think you know everything but actually you know very little yeah

Starting point is 00:20:35 there is a name for that paradox kirk something i can't remember but the point is is you've got to know nothing to learn something and then when you learn this you then break it down into the basics so in fact i gave a talk in india a few weeks ago and they're all pro biohackers like many billionaires in the room many of the top biohackers which i will not mention the names and i said in my talk as I was asked to give one ablib mark down these 12 things on a one to ten scale of how well you do it so eat well sleep well hydrate well whatever detox well et cetera et cetera the average score was 58. wow out of 120 points and when I had 105 points when I did it I thought I'm a slacker it's like so actually 58 and I said okay if you're under 100 points

Starting point is 00:21:26 for every supplement and technology you have take off two points for every technology and supplement you have take off two points if you're over 100 and then add on to because then it shows that you're either a novice or a pro I'm not going to say how many people ended up at zero or a minus wow that's the thing so the point is is even the pros sometimes get so stuck in the woods that they get lost for the tree that the expression taking it back to basics nailing those and then the body should operate as it needs and then to your point fill the deficiencies yes about what it needs yeah um you know you said that you uh part of your journey was healing your gut and i didn't want to just like gloss over that because um we know so much more now in the last especially in the last five

Starting point is 00:22:17 or eight years about the gut brain connection about the influence that the gut biome has on brain health. I actually had a PhD, an MD from Harvard here yesterday. And he's a psychiatrist, Harvard-trained psychiatrist, and he has been healing some of the most drug-resistant psychiatric illnesses. And we're talking severe psychiatric illness, schizophrenia, paranoid, schizophrenia, severe OCDs, crippling, debilitating mental illness that is actually torturing people in their own bodies that put their drug resistant. And, and he started with a keto diet and and then he realized that the common theme between all, and this is his words, not mine, between all psychiatric illness was mitochondrial deficiency.

Starting point is 00:23:13 And if we started at the mitochondria and worked our way out, then we actually had a shot at overcoming some of the most debilitating ailments in the pushback that he got from his community to say, you know, you're gonna have me to fricking avocado, you know, rather than take, it's not that simple, but, you know, rather than, you know, take an SSRI. And he said, yeah, because the patients that I had that I, and he discovered it by accident because, you know, he had obese patients that were drug resistant. And he was like, well, look, at least we can address the obesity. And he would it by accident because, you know, he had obese patients that were drug resistant. And he was like, well, look, at least we can address the obesity.

Starting point is 00:23:47 And he would address the obesity. And then, wow, mental illness would go away. And so I wanted to sort of dive into your journey on the gut because leaky gut has got to be one of the most overlooked things in all of modern medicine. Hey, guys, if you've been watching the Ultimate Human Podcast for any length of time, you know that one thing I do not do is push products. I do not just let any advertiser into this space because I believe that the products that appear on the Ultimate Human Podcast should be things that I use every day in my life

Starting point is 00:24:17 to improve my own physiology. One of them is something called the Echo Go Plus. The Echo Go Plus is a hydrogen water generator that you can take on the go. You essentially take the top off of this bottle, you pour bottled water in this, and repeatedly it will make high part per million hydrogen water.

Starting point is 00:24:36 You press this little button, you'll see these bubbles going up in the water. That's hydrogen being created in the water. There are all kinds of peer-reviewed, published clinical studies on the benefits of hydrogen water including reduced inflammation better absorption of your supplements better absorption of your foods better balance of the stomach acid and it feeds an entire class of

Starting point is 00:24:57 bacteria in your gut hydrogen water in my opinion is the most beneficial water that you can drink. And now you can take it wherever you go. You can go to echo, E-C-H-O, H2O.com. That's echo, E-C-H-O, H2O.com. Enter the code ULTIMATE10 for a discount. Echo H2O, enter the code ULTIMATE10 for a discount. So I'm just going to put a marker on that as leaky gums is also a thing. And my friend, Dr. Dom Nitschwitz talks about leaky gums and leaky gut, and they're quite intertwined. So I'll touch on that. But the interesting thing about schizophrenia or bipolar

Starting point is 00:25:36 disease or any of these things, and you know, typical medicines, again, they're a good plaster. They're like a fantastic plaster. We know that they work for many people however there was a study and i can't quote the specifics but from my psychology journey i started psychology back in 2003 and have been doing it ever since but one of the things that i remember reading was that there was inmates that were tested for deficiencies and the ones that were schizophrenic or had the most extreme mental issues were deficient in certain minerals and vitamins and when they replace these their personalities completely change now if we think sidestep for a second mercury we have the saying mad as a hatter mad as a hatter because of the mercury they used in the lining of the hats now if you look at

Starting point is 00:26:23 how the cell looks and this is i think it's professor kane's work um actually the brand body bio um is grown out of this is if you look at the cell membrane with mercury toxicity you can see it's almost like barbed wire and it stops magnesium getting into the cell so mercury toxicity ruins the cell membrane stops nutrients getting in stocks, toxicities getting out. So therefore mad as a hatter, you can see the cause and effect in this. And from my post-it note exercise I mentioned earlier on, this is exactly what I found because I was depressed or unhappy.

Starting point is 00:26:58 Now the sidestep for that is if you look at ssris or um depression if you ever have done mdma for instance you would know that 5-htp is fantastic to boost your serotonin the days afterwards and they call it suicide sunday for a reason right um after greatest saturday of your life next to the worst sunday of your life exactly back to back i live in miami so we're well aware of that yeah um and it's like well actually so when i'd had antibiotics um and there was a specific type that i took that there was a study done on it that showed that 40 of people in this study that took this antibiotic ended up clinically depressed and that's because of the certain bacteria that get the good bacteria that

Starting point is 00:27:50 it kills off so you're not getting tryptophan properly from your diet and then so you're not converting it to 5-htp which then means you don't get it to serotonin but the interesting thing is is then lay the genetic aspect onto that for your conversion of 5-HTP to serotonin. If you have the double impact, you're going to be the depressed type. So repopulating your gut bacteria is critical in this as the first step. And SSRIs in the meantime, if that's, you know, if that's what your doctor recommends. So it's just that for me, the correlation and all of the research I've done around these areas is just too clear to ignore. Now, you mentioned about the gut microbiome.

Starting point is 00:28:31 When I had started having these issues, we didn't know what we know today. I was looking at forums, you know, like CureZone and things like that to find out anything I could. Now, obviously, methylation and microbi microbiome the two areas are growing so much there's so much research going on and actually it's like the stuff that I realized back then is becoming mainstream although I was called crazy at the time right so fixing the gut fixed my low energy my low mood my anxiety all of these issues but the one step that i took it further than that was actually i realized that my digestion wasn't great because of the antibiotics and stool color changed quite significantly from darker to lighter and i was like well what causes that and actually

Starting point is 00:29:19 it's actually a bile deficiency or the liver being stressed so i figured out by supporting the liver with swedish bitters or in the short term taking ox bile for instance increased bowel flow which helped detoxification which then meant your gut is cleaner and your liver's not then reprocessing all the toxins so much and my health kind of like just accelerated like wow now we're using enzymes probiotics prebiotics any any of those kinds of things how did you change it yes yes yes yes everything everything in between um i mean i one thing that i really must give massive respect to is wade lightheart um from bio by optimizers just because i heard a podcast that he did about digestive enzymes and how he nicked a whole bottle every day and how it broke down so many free floating proteins in the blood and how it

Starting point is 00:30:13 improved his digestion and how he got 40 percent more protein from his current diet without adding more protein in because of the right enzymes wow and it's just like this is too good to not understand more of now the thing is is we're discussing this last night at dinner with patrick porter and barton scott it's like my my friend um once sat and had his hands over his food like this praising his food before we ate and he was a well-known respected guy in the space and it's just like this is this is out there this is out there but i'm gonna do it anyway i'm gonna do it anyway and he said since he had been doing it his digestion was better so the interesting thing here is and this is a slight side set but it's highly relevant is that we evolved preparing

Starting point is 00:31:06 our own food our bodies prepared the enzymes digestive juices to break down this food because we're subjected to it as a sense but now we're handed the food our body's not prepared for the food and therefore we don't digest the food as good as we could wow so when you have digestive enzymes obviously you're bombarding the system and saying here's a whole load of enzymes full spectrum whatever helps digest your food so it's fantastic so i tested this hypothesis i had a surgery that i i had some metal coils in me 30 meters of metal coils from years ago metal coils metal cores yeah platinum metal coils blocking up a vein because i had a vein okay anyway they cut them out but when they gave it to me they gave it to me in like a test tube sealed and they said here's what we cut out of you but we've been it

Starting point is 00:31:57 because of the vein around it it's like i got some bio-optimized. Yeah. So I put some of the enzymes in the test tube and left it overnight and it dissolved the whole vein completely. So it shows how it breaks down foods, substances very well. Now I tested it by having probably about 200 supplements of it, this enzymes a day, just to see what it did. Now, Wade actually said, don't worry worry it doesn't digest your body it digests your food if you take it on an empty stomach it then goes systemic so proteolytic right and breaks down free-floating proteins and obviously around viruses and bacteria we have a protein so it helps

Starting point is 00:32:35 dissolve that yeah and then my digestion improves and added in swedish bitters digestive enzymes prebiotics obviously probiotics based on the ones that i actually needed not just throwing kombucha down my throat and hoping and all these things just meant i went from being bloated all the time to concave and so you know you have to attribute that to fixing the gut bacteria but now you there's a secondary issue with leaky gut right so the luminal wall of the gut um was there anything specific that you did to repair well the gut yeah i would i would put it down to like supporting the liver and having more bile production actually and removing some of the things that were irritating the gut um for instance that they say that bile from the liver and gallbladder

Starting point is 00:33:26 is like dish soap so it makes the food slip through and all the different digestive processes faster and better and the more bile you produce the darker your stool is with some exceptions if stuff is stagnant and not moving through fast enough and there's not enough dish soap to clean it's going to irritate the gut which is going to open up the tight junctures so that then it turns into leaky gut obviously as we know now vitamin d is one of the best things to fix tight junctures and obviously i was vitamin d deficient severely i mean i live in britain fully clothed usually in a three-piece suit in london where it's raining yeah yeah my vitamin d levels you got seasonal affective disorder and you're deficient in d3 exactly exactly so it's

Starting point is 00:34:16 like these i think the the ox bile which was a short-term fix and then supporting my liver on the long term were the main things and then improving my vitamin D levels. So because I think that, you know, it's amazing for people that are watching this podcast and need to go on a similar journey to realize that they can kind of take this into their own, into their own hands. I mean, you did it, you did it on your own. I don't expect them to become that level of citizen scientist, but because of the trailblazing that so many people have done. I mean, you did it on your own. I don't expect them to become that level of citizen scientists, but because of the trailblazing that so many people have done, I mean, the digestive enzymes are out there,

Starting point is 00:34:51 the colostrums, even the peptides, like BPC-157. Where do you fall on peptides? I mean, I love them. I mean, I think it's natural medicines, semi-natural medicine. Yeah. It's funny because you mentioned that. It's actually one of the realization moments for me about mimicking nature with technologies

Starting point is 00:35:13 and getting the basics right was a friend of mine messaged me on Instagram and said, Tim, my girlfriend's got terrible digestive issues. Do you recommend BPC-157 to fix her gut? I said, what's the diet like she said vegan and i was like like what else does she have oh just basically plants so like eating mainly processed plant plant-based stuff i was like why do you want bpc then like why wouldn't you fix her diet and i'm not saying add me in if you're you know due to your ethics or whatever i'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that however if your digestion is bad and your health is falling apart why would you

Starting point is 00:35:55 want to start with the peptides you would want to get the basics right first and that was the that was the aha moment of like get the basics right so i I love peptides. Definitely. I mean, I've used many different types of them currently using thymose and alpha one, um, community. Yes, exactly. Um, and BPC one five, seven, when I damaged my wrist, I was on a balance board, tried to look cocky, came off of it, landed on my wrist. And the physiotherapist that just happened to be with us is like, yeah, you're going to have to take this super easy. I got BPC-157 and I was injecting a vial into it, which was insanely painful around the wrist,

Starting point is 00:36:35 especially when you're skinny. Within two weeks of using it, and I didn't use it straight away. Within two weeks, it was completely okay, and I've never had a problem with it again. Yeah, and I like what you're saying about harnessing the body's ability to heal itself and sort of mimicking nature. One of the reasons why I'm such a fan of peptides

Starting point is 00:36:56 is for the most part, they're amino acid sequences. So they're metabolites. So the body recognizes them, breaks them down and they help to mimic the natural actions in the body not chemically or synthetically take it over um so so now you fixed your gut um you found your way to hyperbaric drove and drove oxygen into the tissue you're turning the corner um and now you know you you go on this journey you're starting to get the word out and one of the things i i really enjoyed about reading in your in your bio

Starting point is 00:37:31 is um you are really a back to the basics kind of kind of guy so what is a low cost or no cost morning routine what are a sequence of activities that you think every human being should be doing that could change the trajectory of their life yeah great question even in cold rainy well depressing london the reason the reason i go simple just kidding guys if you're from london yeah um it's because i think we've got a lot of detailed biohackers for a start there's a lot of detailed biohackers and it's significantly smarter than me i do not i i don't like being you know i want to be in the room with smarter people than myself and everyone is more extreme than me and i and i'm happy with that because i like learning from everyone and distilling it

Starting point is 00:38:24 and making it easy and accessible because then it brings more people into the space right then actually become more extreme in the areas they need so um so i just wanted to put that caveat in there because some people say oh he just talks about grounding and in the sunlight you know he's not really a biohacker but you know you have to learn this stuff to let go of this stuff and know what's relevant for the morning routine question i would say the first thing that anyone should do is wake up and have remineralized purified water to support their adrenals and their electrical system the moment they wake and you know to quote andrewuberman, you know, wait two hours. I would say that's a bit extreme.

Starting point is 00:39:07 I'd say more of an hour for your own cortisol spike so you don't rely on the caffeine to give you that cortisol spike. Because otherwise you always rely on that caffeine. So wait at least an hour. I saw his podcast on that. It was really, I started delaying my coffee to 90 minutes after that. And it was astounding the difference like i think when when you wake up and go straight to the coffee maker um which is probably what 99 of us do that that drink coffee um you i i think eventually it's just out of habit it's not out of actually

Starting point is 00:39:37 what you get from it i think yes and no so i just want to put my perspective out on this because we crave that which we need now processed food is tricks our systems into thinking that we need something that we don't so we want more of it but for instance if you look at pregnant women they crave certain foods which often have the nutrients that they need at that time because of deficiencies so i think waking up and needing a coffee or the habit of needing coffee is the body going i need cortisol because i'm not waking up quick enough so it's the caffeine addiction but also the cortisol spike that we crave so i noticed that when i actually stopped having my coffee and i wait an hour i don't wait 90 minutes just because i love the stuff and i it's part of my

Starting point is 00:40:19 morning routine i need but when i delayed it by an hour, I noticed that I woke up so much better and actually I needed less coffee and I'm not craving it the same. Yeah. And the same thing for me, I mean, I delete at 90 minutes, but when I do that, there's a significant difference. I, I, I've set up my, my house so that I sort of earned my way to the coffee maker. I have this little game that I play with myself. You know, I, I splash water on my face, brush my teeth, I get in the cold plunge. Um, then I do this little walk on the treadmill, you know, and then, uh, sometimes I'll do red light or just go out and do my, you know, morning breath work. And then I go to the coffee maker. I've sort of feel like, uh, I've earned it, you know, atomic habits. Yeah. I mean, again, I'd very similar to this. So, you know, start with hydration first thing and then coffee in due course.

Starting point is 00:41:08 I then there's a book I read called The Morning Miracles. And I've always struggled with meditation. But so I use a device like the Sense8 or BrainTap or one of these things. But I always wanted to learn to conquer it on my own. Now, when I read this book, The Morning Miracles, it teaches you savers. or brain tap or one of these things but i always wanted to learn to conquer it on my own now when i read this book the morning miracles it teaches you savers so silence affirmation um visualization exercise and reading and and journaling which is scribbling so so i incorporated that into my task app so that every morning i wake up and I have this morning routine

Starting point is 00:41:45 and the exercise obviously I have subset points of that depending on what I feel is right for that day so if I'm at the gym with my trainer I don't do the workout stuff at home but I will do red light therapy and my shoulder opening exercises or one of the biohacks I have around the house I feel that I need at that time. But the interesting thing is, is that my morning routine used to be like two or three hours long every day. And then I heard a podcast somewhere where they said all the successful people have amazing morning routines and they spend two or three hours doing it. And I'm like,

Starting point is 00:42:18 it's really interesting point. They do. But on the podcast, it said, well, actually before that they were successful they work up and they grind right they didn't spend two or three hours doing this one routine but then when they become successful and they learn to structure their day better and they have teams

Starting point is 00:42:35 doing stuff then they have that luxury so i went from doing two or three hours to having an hour including my reading of 30 minutes within that. So it's very basic, but I would, if I was in the country, I would be out in the garden doing it barefoot, but because I'm in the city, I have a Samina bed. So I'm grounded for eight hours of the day. So I don't need to worry about my grounding when I'm in London. So a lot of these hacks are integrated into my day. Just like you say, your your route as you get up and walk around until you get to the coffee i have very similar and it's for instance when i go into the the bathroom there's a pull-up bar and so i do three pull-ups every time or like before

Starting point is 00:43:19 i get on my rebounder i've got actually fingertip pull-up bar so and so i incorporate this throughout the day because you know compound theory yeah the compound effect is real and you know that can be in negative senses in terms of are just one burger every few days or you know just one more drink you know all this adds up or just one day where I over eat on calories for instance not I'm a massive calorie person but for instance if you have that three times in a week you look at the compound effect and what it ends up as yeah so in the negative sense it works but also in the positive and I think if you're doing three extra reps every time before this or two extra reps before that it adds up and then all of a sudden

Starting point is 00:44:05 it becomes habit and you don't even realize it so my morning routine takes that form these days it's funny because i have something i call snacking on exercise and so sometimes i um you know i have the full amount of time in the morning to do to do my routine sometimes my schedule starts earlier in the day than just just because there's something that i can't move and what i i have no clinical study to to support this at all other than my own anecdotal experience but i find that when i do shorter workouts multiple times a day i actually feel better for longer And I actually have seen more of a body morphic change in my body. And by shorter workouts, I mean, as simple as like, well, I got 10 minutes between phone calls and you don't need a massive gym. I walk into the other room and I

Starting point is 00:44:57 grab some dumbbells and I do a set of 25 curls. I do a set of 25 overhead presses. I'll bend over and do 25 flies. I, I, I do it because it kind of wakes me back up. And I like, I like that feeling. Maybe it's the enderfin, um, rush. I go back to my desk and I sit down at the, uh, you know, my zoom call starts and I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm awake. I haven't done much. I mean, I've got my heart rate up just a little bit. I'm not sweating. I'm usually in the clothes that I'm in my, taking my call with. And I really actually enjoyed this snack on exercise. I mean, when I travel, I'll do air squats in the plane, air squats in the hotel room, pushups in the hotel room, rounds of breath work, and I'll just sort of sprinkle it throughout the day. And, um, I really want to do a randomized clinical trial on it because what I've found really anecdotally is I feel better throughout

Starting point is 00:45:53 the day. And, and I notice in the mirror, the changes in my body are more profound than when I did, you know, when I dedicated the full 45 minutes to my workout in the morning or an hour. And then sometimes I would, what would happen is I would, I would realize that I don't have an hour. So I would just skip the workout instead of doing, Hey, well, I do have 20 minutes, but I would just think I couldn't get it done. So is yours a set routine that you do every day? No, I vary. I mean, because it's London and I don't have a gym at home because it's London. So I see my trainer two or three times a week and then in between do my own thing for that. But it's interesting because you say about doing it throughout the day so you're you're getting the body moving you're getting your heart rate up you're oxygenating

Starting point is 00:46:48 yourself better and if we think evolutionary like caveman the usual you know example it's like they weren't going to the gym and working out for an hour a day they were doing stuff throughout the day ongoing and that's how we've evolved to operate and grow and the muscle growth is a result of the damage because it says the we need to be stronger otherwise we're going to damage our body so it then naturally progresses over a period of time so the more you're doing it but giving your body time to recover in between right take the nutrients into repair the better it is so evolutionary speaking it makes absolute sense to do it scattered throughout the day and and i always felt like you know a good workout was when you really got in there and you really

Starting point is 00:47:30 got after it and you did a drop set and you maybe did you know you did also some heavy weight and you did some high reps and you you know you're sweating and you know when you get it going to the locker room to change you're like okay i earned that workout and and yet when i sprinkle it throughout the day i i don't feel like i've ever really blasted myself um but it's it's almost like it's it's little like dopamine dings throughout the day and i'm and i feel better most of us have a very difficult time meeting our protein needs and certain protein sources like whey protein and others can be as little as 20 percent absorbable this is 99 absorbable and it has all of the essential amino acids that the body needs to build lean muscle to recover to improve our exercise performance and most importantly to repair after we have intense exercise. So this is called Perfect Amino by Body Health.

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Starting point is 00:49:52 ultimate human podcast so talk a little bit about what you do when you're on the road because you travel quite a bit um and how are you how are you making this portable? Like, do you have any hard and fast rules? Do you have any guidelines you use on the road? Yes and no. Great answer. Thank you. And you forgot maybe. I mean, the reason I say that is that I once heard this saying,

Starting point is 00:50:22 it's like a guy goes to the doctor, probably not the best person to ask in this case, but doctor, I want to live forever. He said, do you drink? No. Do you smoke? No. Do you eat crappy foods? No. Do you skydive? No. He goes, well, why do you want to live forever? So it's like, I always remember this, but I don't use that as an excuse to cheat i use it as an excuse to as a as a reason sorry freudian slip maybe is don't stress about it if you don't do it but make sure it's the the rule that you do not and have it as the exception because as you know excess cortisol or like ongoing is actually a bigger killer than actually probably eating one junk piece of food for instance right that doesn't

Starting point is 00:51:06 mean that i'm an advocate of eating junk food but the thing is it's like someone said to me the other day so when you're traveling do you drink out of plastic bottled plastic bottle water it's like if i'm dehydrated or i need water then yes i will i'm not going to stress about it but i just make sure that that's the exception not the rule right because even drinking from a glass bottle water it's cleaned out with detergent so you either way you're having some form of poison you can't carry a reverse osmosis filter with you everywhere you go um so my my point was more morning mindfulness reading for 30 minutes every day to keep my brain exercised um and what are you reading what what are your what are your go-tos depends on what my what my need is at that moment for instance if i pick a book up and i'm not

Starting point is 00:51:52 interested in that topic at the moment i just don't enjoy it but when it's relevant to my life in that moment then i'd destroy it like literally word for word for instance and this is an ego thing actually my brother once said to me you should read this book it sounds like you so of course when my brother says that I'm like how does my brother see me right and it turned out it was never eat alone by Keith Ferrazzi and actually I read the book I destroyed it word for word like literally it was an amazing book and when I built the summit I actually refined my approach using keith's work now the interesting thing was one of the leading biohackers couldn't make an event and he said can you sit in for me it's with my friend keith farazi so it's like so it's like i was very

Starting point is 00:52:40 amazing how the universe works and then the same with Atomic Habits, another classic example of like, I want to stack my day and be more efficient. So read Atomic Habits. And then, you know, obviously there's sometimes there's friends books where they say, can you read over this before it goes out? So that's also, or there's a speaker that I want to come to the summit. So I need to understand their work better. So the Aura podcast and things like that. So now it depends on the need so much. Um, one book I am reading right now for the third time is, um, trust me, I'm lying by Ryan holiday. Trust me. I'm lying. Yeah. So it's the tools of the media manipulator of how, how the media manipulates us and how marketers are manipulating the media it's absolutely amazing book really ryan is fantastic fantastic i'm a big believer in media manipulation

Starting point is 00:53:32 have a read of trust me i'm lying it's a game changer trust me i'm like what does it help you understand that yeah it helps you understand how nowadays it's about clicks and not necessarily about high quality content because people aren't picking up a newspaper every day saying i need the best content that's not the monetization the monetization route now is how many impressions they get advertisers on the page so click baity titles that draw people in and sometimes these facts aren't facts at all and it's just to create controversy to get more traffic to more clicks. So therefore the model has changed from high quality, like leaking something that wasn't supposed to be in public view, even though it was because he wanted it to be.

Starting point is 00:54:29 The press then grabbed hold of it, thinking we've got a scoop on this. It's controversial. And then it spreads out everywhere viral and he's got free marketing. So that's an example of where I'm like, actually, it's super interesting, especially running a summit,

Starting point is 00:54:42 which has a lot of big speakers. Like, how can I work with the big speakers, like how can I, how can I work with the media better? Or how can I understand them better? So that's, that's an example of the type of books, but I like, obviously I like reading about health and things that come out, um, such as a book on methylene blue recently. Oh, great book. I, um, I read that one too. Now I'm a huge fan of methylene blue um yeah and and then we we've seen it too seen the impact of it in our clinical practice um especially when used in conjunction with red light um and it's in its impact on mood and depression um and not that not that our clinics

Starting point is 00:55:18 treat a lot of mood disorders or depressive disorders per se but i mean uh nearly everyone that takes the 10 milligrams am pm and then does the the red light reports like wow it just felt great um even after a single session yeah i love it actually i i had 270 milligrams a few days ago when i went for a procedure in sarasota by ivy yeah 270 wow that's that's four milligrams per kilogram per moment four milligrams which you can go up to seven apparently okay i've only ever gone that sounds like a john laurence it was okay it was yeah it's just like something john would do in sarasota i've only ever gone to 50 milligrams before he's like we do this with many people i was like okay go for it and yeah and how long was the iv trip um must have lasted an hour hour hour and a half yeah did you do red light in conjunction

Starting point is 00:56:12 actually put a red light device next to the bag as it's dripping out into you as well as having red light stack in front of me at the same time oh wow so it's next next level i mean he i'd say stacking biohacks like you do, he does very well. Oh, no, he's a huge fan. He actually came and stayed with me a few months ago. And I used his methylene blue drops in the eyes, which were pretty wild. And when I was done and we did some horizon gazing, we did some. Because, you know, when you're first doing it, you're like,

Starting point is 00:56:41 okay, this is a little out there. But, you know, know i'm gonna do it and i used to i used these drops it was pretty pretty impressive i go could i work could it work that fast i really feel like i'm looking through a 4k screen and um i've been deep down the rabbit hole since reading the methylene blue blue book as well and i think it's just astounding how many you know some of the research in there on on um you know what they did in spinal injections with uh uh with paramilitary um guys and the level of efficacy they had in injecting these into discal spaces and then also the, you know, the oral limits of methylene blue and really the low risk profile.

Starting point is 00:57:30 Well, that's why I went to see Dr. John in his practice, actually, and someone in his practice. I actually saw Ben Greenfield talk about having prostate, methylene blue, ozone, and antibiotics injections into the prostate. I saw that. It looked a little gnarly and i winced a little bit when i saw it but i'm just like if ben's doing it i've got to explore this and you know i recently had a cystoscopy to check the prostate and um under general anesthesia which was brutal uh for a few days afterwards but i was just like since my antibiotics use

Starting point is 00:58:04 and prostate issues you know 10 years ago it's always been a slight problem for me so i'm like i'm gonna go for it so i went to see dr john and his clinic for the procedure and um had methylene blue injections into the prostate it's actually been night or day difference within 48 hours as soon as the initial inflammation had gone and the ozone gas had dispelled should i say it's actually fantastic so i think any any guy that has had prostate issues or slowing urine flow or you know waking to pee several times in the night highly recommend it it's a bit scary until it happens because you're like well actually i'm having a five inch needle going through my bladder into the prostate. So it's a bit,

Starting point is 00:58:45 bit out there. But I think my point is, is that the methylene blue application for that, as well as the ozone is just. What was the, what was your pain level during that procedure? One to 10. No,

Starting point is 00:58:58 pretty low. I would say two, but I, I, I did ask for a specific painkiller even biohackers ask for painkillers yeah um so i was pretty i was half out of it but you know they do use one of the traditional painkillers as well which they inject in at the same time um and nitrous oxide um often as well but i asked for something else iv which to be honest i just i came around afterwards and completely fine

Starting point is 00:59:32 nothing just i felt like you know a little bit sore on the belly i would say pain level two if if not less and when you say 48 hours you noticed improvement was it the urinary flow the stream had just improved dramatically a lot and how long ago was that procedure six days ago ah okay so we're six days then i was going to ask you what if it's if it's lasted yeah i mean the thing is he he does actually find the best results when you have it three times because obviously the prostate is like capsulated you know this is a it's like an orange inside of an orange yeah basically yeah and this is why when neurologists treat prostate infections with antibiotics they give you three months which is what i had because it can't generally get in there very well so by going straight in and

Starting point is 01:00:21 injecting antibiotics and obviously ozone and methylene blue all at the same time it's just like nukes any bad bacteria one of the things that actually made me put me over the edge with doing it was actually partners in the past not not so recently but would often get cystitis after having intercourse and it's like i always thought well it can't be me it must be them having an imbalanced vagina microbiome but when ben shared that and i spoke to john it's like well actually we find that a lot of partners get cystitis because the partner has actually got bacteria in the prostate that's built up for years so of course when you have intercourse this irritates the woman and it looks like it's the woman's fault but in fact it's the guy's wow so probably a lot

Starting point is 01:01:10 of things like that and they test they test semen um to see what bacteria is actually in there i came from the uk obviously so tests are a little bit more difficult to do right and get them over here but point is that they find the specific bacteria use the antibiotics for it so it'd be really interesting to see you know uh if it ever happens again and i want to do a course of three of them so actually i'm coming back next month anyway oh yeah would you do them every six weeks or eight weeks he recommends every two weeks oh every two weeks but i'm not going to be here in two weeks so we'd do it okay but yeah so that's a super interesting protocol but uses methylene blue which is like fundamental medicine in a and e or in an emergency care for carbon dioxide carbon

Starting point is 01:01:52 monoxide poisoning and things yeah so uh and it's astounding because it's a fabric dye i mean that's health i how how i want to know the first guy to use it. Like they said, you know, Stan, we probably could inject this fabric dye. And I mean, but it is astounding. And now obviously the safety profiles, you know, been well established, I think. But how they made the leap from a fabric dye to that is is pretty pretty astounding the first guy to do it had some balls we need to find out who it is and give it give him some credit you know the other thing you know that uh john did for me he did a um balloon nasoplast um and i don't want to divert the podcast because this is about you but but it was a credible procedure for me because I didn't realize how poorly I was breathing through my nose.

Starting point is 01:02:46 And I didn't feel like I had any nasal breathing issues. But man, my gosh, when that was done, it wasn't a particularly comfortable procedure. But the pain is like two seconds. It goes from a two to a ten to a two. But I'm so happy that I did it. And now I'm a nasal breather at night. Easy. Sometimes I'll use the hostage tape and, you know, go to sleep.

Starting point is 01:03:15 And in the morning, I don't even, I've never fought it to try to get the tape off. And I wake up and I'm still nasal breathing and it's had a dramatic effect on my HRV. Yeah. I have the same findings actually. I mean, I had it done in London a few years ago. Um, but I realized that how fundamental nose breathing was for sleep because actually I tracked my snoring or tracked my snoring levels and, um, with using an app is fantastic. And while it's very minimal, you get to hear what you're snoring like. I found that when I used sinus spray for decongestion, the snoring went completely.

Starting point is 01:03:50 So it wasn't the throat and it was something to do with the nose. So, of course, having the balloon treatment in your nose, and obviously Dr. John didn't do it for me, obviously did for you, is also really good for if you're a partner or you snore to have this done and also the mouth taping but like you're saying some people oh i would never have been able to tape my mouth beforehand right and if i hadn't had that done which is what made me realize after the procedure how actually constricted that i was and and maybe people don't realize how you know over time i

Starting point is 01:04:21 mean they you get inflammation in there there's those cribriform plates start to actually close in and you can actually widen them and it stays for a year after you my cheek my cheeks um and um face structures change since i've been doing nose breathing really it's probably three three and a half years and you can you can noticeably see and also also uh in inside the mouth as well the oral cavity has changed so yeah so that combined with chewing gum and nose breathing in fact my my jaws improved so there's just like oh yeah and my cheekbone structure as well so it's really like fundamental fundamental stuff again and it's basic things yeah i agree i i think before we um wrap up the conversation about uh your journey and the gut um you know this weekend you spoke about oral not

Starting point is 01:05:13 just oral hygiene but and the impact of the oral cavity on the rest of the biome um i had a phenomenal biologic dentist on named dr gandhi a months ago, and we put out a podcast, got heavily censored because the dental community basically said there is no connection between teeth in the mouth and individual organs in the body. And you and I are definitely not on that bandwagon. But so talk a little bit about what you did with your oral cavity and you know before we got on the podcast you were talking about some some issues you were having in your gut and how they instantly went away i had a similar experience um and now i am a huge proponent of biologic dentistry and the more i read and study and investigate it the more i realize so many pathologies and diseases and dysfunction is happening in our bodies because we're not taking care of the oral cavity so i

Starting point is 01:06:13 think first of all a massive respect for dentists for fixing bites because if you've got a bite problem fantastic let's be honest they sort it out but in terms of health are they trained in health specifically not so much and you know we know very well that certain teeth infections can cause heart issues um yeah we find the same bacteria in cardiovascular disease that we actually find in cavitation exactly yeah and so we know this and yet they say teeth aren't connected to the body of dentists the problem is they just haven't been trained in it and if you think about the mental impact the psychological impact on dentists for instance being told they've been put in mercury which is toxic to people in people's mouths for 20 or 30 years like actually i'm here to help

Starting point is 01:07:01 people not harm people so they have a natural bias or they will have a natural bias to think no i'm not wrong here you know so so that's the first thing i just want to say massive respect right i do get a lot of pushback when i talk about dental i do too would you mind grabbing my phone there's actually an image i want to show this is this is something i think really needs to to to get out this is an image that, this is an image my biologic dentist sent me that really drove it home for me. I'll show, we can splice this in, right? Okay. Okay. Okay.

Starting point is 01:07:51 So this is an image my dentist sent to me, and it really drove home for me the integration of the oral cavity and the connection to the rest of the body. And if you look at the, this is the integration, the nerve integration into the brain from the oral cavity. And what he said is, you know, these represent highways into and out of the brain and and and to think that you could have a cavitation parasite bacteria rot in in this area and not have some kind of effect would be sillier than thinking that it's when they take out root canal treated teeth and test them and a traditional dentist probably wouldn't ever have done that they find things like interleukin-6 in there or candida or all sorts of different bacterias and they say but no having a root

Starting point is 01:08:49 canal treated tooth we kill all the bacteria and and everything's gone but in fact when biological dentists and i'm saying proper biological dentists not someone that just says i remove metal um then then they find something very different. And I've seen hundreds of scans, hundreds of cavitations. I'm very, very close friends with Dr. Dom Nitschrich from Germany, one of the leading biological dentists, in my opinion. And when you see the data in clinical evidence time and time again and the reports of what they find, it's pretty significant. And so a traditional dentist that doesn't believe in it, just in my opinion, hasn't gone down the

Starting point is 01:09:32 rabbit hole and is trying to protect themselves in some form. Um, with regards to that nerve and the brain picture, I mean, you know, we get, some people get migraines and often if some people get like, haven't had a root canal or mercury filling or whatever it may be, get migraines. And often it can be behind the, one of the points of the trigeminal nerve right here, which is why some people have pressure headaches here. Obviously it can be for other reasons, having a migraine such as dehydration. But the point is, is that people that often have a lot of migraine issues often have teeth issues such as root canal treated teeth or cavitations having these bacterias that the body's always fighting. So it's always in fight or flight. So you see after people have had and there's a concept called the all in one concept where actually they do all of the dental work in a few days.

Starting point is 01:10:21 So the body heals once all the burden toxic burden's gone and you see that the heart rate variability on the patients increases massively because it's not fighting for to protect itself yeah i had that i had that experience myself actually and it was it was astounding to me because i consider myself pretty woke to wellness and you know here i had this cavitation this this parasites bacteria going on in the gut and i asked him i, I said, well, how come I didn't feel it? I don't have any pressure. I didn't have any excess mucus. And he said, well, you know, it forms a cavity and meaning a cavernous, a pocket.

Starting point is 01:10:55 And because you had a root canal, you're not feeling the pressure. And so the pain is not there. And that's normally our first sign that something is wrong. So talk a little bit about your oral journey and to so yeah so i had dental issues my whole life or you know not great teeth i mean i'm british and we don't have great teeth is that is that a rumor is that actually a thing it's so true it's so true um i mean i i think i need to go and have them cleaned more frequently as well but and partly i think it's down to the vitamin D and status in England. Yeah. For me, I'd always had cavities and teeth issues. And I, you know, ran out of the dentist screaming when I was a kid

Starting point is 01:11:38 many times. But as I got older, I had more and more root canal treated teeth done and when my immune system was at its worst like 10 years ago i always seemed to get a new tooth infection all the time i now know it's because obviously i wasn't didn't have enough vitamin d and my immune system was shot so if there was something tiny underlying it got bigger and then i had to have the tooth pulled so that combined with having several metal seven metal fillings and you know my research into what was causing my health issues these things kind of came together and i got to research more and more and more and it's before biological dentistry was a label really it was more they called it holistic at the time which

Starting point is 01:12:19 holistic always has an element of woo to it yeah right and biological dentistry just like the gut bacteria and methylation and just like the gut bacteria and methylation and things like this have evolved very quickly and becoming much more solid practices well known and more science behind them so for me i really researched why these things were happening i got to know several biological dentists around europe before meeting dr dom nitschwitz and um i had a tooth it was the lower left five i think it was that when i went in for surgery and i'd had a sinus lift as well um to rebuild the bone so i could have an implant here i'd had my four wisdom teeth taken out which all had cavitations big ones and it was like a centimeter a centimeter of

Starting point is 01:13:05 cavitation oh my god and but cavitation by the way is it's a pocket of infection for people that don't want cavitation and some people have more than that yeah um but when i was lying on the chair in one of in one of the surgeries my descending colon was twitching it was like really strange and bearing in mind i'd had ibs for years because of the antibiotics and various other things you know and it was twitching and i couldn't say anything because i was semi high on everything that had been injected and my mouth was full of people right full of people um and ivy hanging out my arm and all this stuff and and i couldn't say anything but i said to dom afterwards i was like my digestive system was twitching he said which tooth and i said this one

Starting point is 01:13:51 here he said that's because it's on the meridian for your digestive for the for that part of the digestive system i never had ibs after that day again and i tried I mean I optimized my microbiome I did all of the things that we discussed earlier on yeah but nothing was the the nail in the coffin for it but that surgery was and that was back in 2019 now oh 2019 that's where it's just I think it's becoming more mainstream because you have real um you know biologic tests that are that are that are platforming it but um but i i've had a you know experience on my own so sort of bringing all this together i mean we we wandered around a lot um you know i have i have sort of a split audience you know some are ultra woke biohackers and and sometimes i feel like

Starting point is 01:14:47 a lot of ultra woke biohackers just speak to ultra woke biohackers and we don't bring the message down to humanity very often but for the for the masses um what is your message uh you know for people that are that are this journey? Like, where do they begin? In a whole myriad of possibilities out there, where do they start this journey into bio-optimization? Very good question. I know, I knew that would get you. I was trying to actually stump you and I clearly did.

Starting point is 01:15:22 My mind is going. Staring off into the abyss completely devoid of thought it's like this this this this it's like when someone says what's your favorite i know i do the same thing it's like what's the single most important nutrient in the human body i'm like that's a great question um i hate being put on the spot like that that's why i'm doing it it's the same whenever anyone asks me my favorite book or my favorite meal and i'm just like i don't want to pick one like it depends on the bible and then you're good you're safe you know um i would say that if you wanted to start optimizing yourself no we we and not to sound like everyone talking about sleep right now but

Starting point is 01:16:01 we sleep to reverse the damage that we've done to our bodies during each day and if we look at sleep like it's a tick box i'm tired i must sleep then we not have enough time to reverse the damage that we've done on that day and sleep should be respected as one of the most important things that we will ever do even though it's downtime it's healing time and obviously you know with the that brings in blue blocking glasses you know after sunset and you know making sure you align your circadian rhythm with seeing sunrise whenever you can and making sure you don't eat within x amounts of hours of sleep so that your body is not obviously digesting too much food um i would say you know understanding that is the

Starting point is 01:16:47 single most important thing you can ever do adding things in like you know an aura ring or ultra human ring or you know whichever ring or tracking device of your type will give you an idea of what 30 mile an hour feels like when you're driving a car and until you've driven a car at 30 mile an hour you don't know what 30 mile an hour feels like and you can't gauge it naturally and it's the same with tracking your sleep unless you've tracked it even if it's for a week or two weeks you don't get that internal feeling of what a good sleep feels like or what for instance drinking alcohol does to your heart rate variability or your oxygen saturation or whatever so i would say respect sleep know it is the single most important thing

Starting point is 01:17:32 you can do for your health and track it for a period of time like there's nothing more powerful than that you know yeah well i i love that because i've heard a lot of answers and, you know, that's arguably, you know, one of the best. And, you know, as I wind down every podcast, I ask every guest the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer for this question. And it is, you know, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Boy, I got up twice. Back to back. It's not often I'm stuck for words, to be honest.

Starting point is 01:18:15 That's twice in one podcast. I'm an extrovert. I'm going to blast this all over the internet. Just a blank stare. Greatest biohacker in the world goes blank i would say the abstract of being an amazing human being to other people and that doesn't mean at your own expense but you know it's known in the biohacking space you know the better your mitochondria or the better your energy the nicer human you can be and this is quoted by various biohackers multiple times yeah

Starting point is 01:18:51 but when you when you've done all the detail ultimately it comes back down to your relationships and how you are as a human to other humans because you know that's the one of the biggest indicators for a successful life in tribal times so if you can't be a good human and help other people not again at your own cost too much where you're in a savior complex i think that's what an ultimate human is because it means that they're doing all the work to be a great human you know everything before it and how they treat people and look after people and those around them and how well they love and accept love you know everything before it and how they treat people and look after people and those around them and how well they love and accept love you know is a heuristic for everything else below it and if you're not sleeping well for instance we know how easy it is to bite you know or be snappy when

Starting point is 01:19:36 we haven't slept well right well you can't be a good human if you haven't slept well so everything else falls below it i think that's amazing Gray, thank you for coming on the podcast today. It's been absolutely astounding. Where can people find you if they want to look? Tim Biohacker on Instagram is probably the most accessible place. Tim Biohacker on Instagram. And where can they find out more information about the summit? So healthoptimizationsummit.com.

Starting point is 01:20:04 And that's everything and for the record it's coming to america and usually occurs in the uk but it's coming to america coming to america dates and city to be announced well you did say austin maybe but you didn't give me the date i didn't say that you didn't say that i did not say that coming to america i promise you this i will be a big supporter. And, you know, if you're following me or the Ultimate Human Podcast, we will definitely be announcing the summit. Tim Gray, thank you so much, my friend. And as always, that's just science.

The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 45. Tim Gray | Hyperbaric Chambers, Methylene Blue, Healing Leaky Gut & How to Improve Your Sleep

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