The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 65. Boxing, Biohacks, and Bareknuckle: The Ultimate Fight Prep with Jorge Masvidal

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

Key takeaways you’ll learn in this episode: How did he improve his sleep? (Gary Brecka’s sleep protocol) Training for Boxing VS MMA. What separates the mindsets of the best fighters? Watch Jorge Masvidal vs Nate Diaz on July 6th! https://gamebredbareknuckle.com/ Get weekly tips from Gary Brecka on how to optimize your health and lifestyle routines - go to https://www.theultimatehuman.com/ For more info on Gary, please click here: ⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/thegarybrecka ECHO GO PLUS HYDROGEN WATER BOTTLE http://echowater.com BODY HEALTH - USE CODE ULTIMATE10 for 10% OFF YOUR ORDER https://bodyhealth.com/ultimate What separates the good from the great fighters? Gary Brecka is sitting down with the UFC’s original BMF, Jorge Masvidal! Jorge opens up about balancing family, fighting, and his future as a fighter and fight promoter with Gamebred Bareknuckle MMA. They dive into the recovery protocols he’s implementing to prepare for his upcoming boxing match with Nate Diaz! You’ll learn how Gary is helping him to use biohacking to recover faster, have more energy, and keep his mind sharp. Jorge also breaks down the difference between good fighters and great ones, how to build mental toughness and the importance of building a great team around you! 00:00 - Who is Jorge Masvidal? 02:30 - How did he improve his sleep? (Gary Brecka’s sleep protocol) 06:45 - If you supplement with Oxygen Therapy, does your body develop a dependency on it? 09:00 - Jorge Masvidal VS Nate Diaz 2, the boxing match on June 6, 2024. 10:10 - What is the difference between good and great fighters? 13:20 - What does it feel like walking into a UFC cage before a fight? 16:50 - How Jorge is preparing for his next fight. 19:20 - How being a Dad impacts the way he trains for fights. 20:45 - Why did Jorge Masvidal start Gamebred Bareknuckle MMA? 26:30 - Training for Boxing VS MMA. 29:20 - How to build a great team. 31:00 - What is Gary Brecka doing to help Jorge Masvidal? 38:00 - Why did he become a promoter? 43:00 - Can you train to take hits better in a fight? 44:15 - What separates the mindsets of the best fighters? 47:30 - How God impacts his life. Jorge Masvidal on Instagram: @gamebredfighter Gamebred Bareknuckle MMA: @gamebredfc Gary Brecka: @garybrecka The Ultimate Human: @ultimatehumanpod Subscribe on YouTube: @ultimatehumanpodcast The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And the rest of the time on bed, I'm usually like awake just tossing and turning. I went to your place and after I did the third device, I was like, holy smokes. Put you in a red light therapy bed and we just blasted you with healthy red light. And then we got you out of there and we put you on something called Hey guys, welcome back to the ultimate human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brekker, where we go down the road, everything anti-aging, longevity, biohacking, and everything in between. You guys all know my guest. You heard the intro today. I am so pumped to have him on the podcast. He's actually slowly becoming a good friend.

He's an amazing human being. You're going to get to know him today. And we're neighbors. And we're neighbors. Actually, we found out we were neighbors, right? Jorge Masvidal, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. But yeah, we are neighbors of all places just south of Miami. It was funny. We actually, the day that we met, he was coming over to my place. You know, one of his guys showed up at the house and then we were like, well, where is Jorge? And he went from being right across the street. Yeah.

He went to downtown Miami. American Airlines Arena. He went to the American Airlines Arena. So he actually went like 20 minutes out of his way and, you know, brought you into the biohacking lab. And we did. The thing that I love the most is you remind me of myself because we have this childlike curiosity with the human body and performance. And you were so curious, which was really, really great for me because you were like, what's this do? How can this help me? And how often should I do this? And even today,

as this podcast is going on, we're installing the superhuman protocol in your training place. But talk a little bit about your experience that day in the unit with some of the stuff that we did. Because you were telling me earlier you tracked your heart rate variability, your sleep. Because before, you know, we were working with each other. Your sleep, you said, wasn't even that good. No, my sleep since like 17 years old, I don't know what happened. It just went from like standard six, seven hours to like four hours, four hours and a half.

And the rest of the time on bed, I'm usually like awake, just tossing and turning. And in particular that day, I hadn't gotten no sleep because the UFC was the night before on that Saturday. And before that, we were traveling. We were going to New York. So it was a lot of traveling. And then I got to the UFC.

I mean, I got to Miami. I went to thefc i must have gone to sleep that day like at five in the morning dude it was the same way for me man it was oddly it was it was daylight savings time yeah also so the last fight was like 1 30 in the morning i remember looking down at my watch i was still in the arena and it was like three in the morning yeah i was like what the hell and we met the next day yeah so you that same day outside of that same day yeah we were like at 3 30 in the morning talking outside and then uh i woke up i don't know around 9 15 to get my kids by like 10 a.m and i just felt though i hadn't had a drink i felt like i was drunk i was just beat up it was already like four or five days of not getting any

proper sleep so um i went to your place and we started doing the things and after i did like maybe the third device i was like holy smokes i don't feel drunk i remember you telling me that i could actually go maybe for like a run and i was telling my guy and my guy was like maybe you should go for a run i was like maybe i will go for a run now because i didn't get to do nothing these last two days with all the work and stuff. And I felt great. And something that never happens for me is that I never close my eyes. And then when I open them, it's the next day. Like, the sun's out. That never happens to me.

I'm constantly throughout the night just waking up, waking up. My whoop records that I have, like, an average of four wake-up events per hour, you know. So it's, like, just standard for me to just constantly be waking up, tossing and turning. I got the best sleep I've ever had. And it's not my opinion. It's the whoop's opinion for the two years that I've been wearing it. Right. So it was intense that I was able to get such deep rest like that.

And I knew right away, like, if I can continue to get this deep rest, the healing that I'll do in my sleep is insane. I'll get to another level, you know? Yeah, game changer. I mean, and so what we did was we put you in a red light therapy bed yeah remember we closed the the the top of the bed and we just um blasted you with healthy red light um and then we took oxygen i think i had something on my nose yeah yeah you had the hydrogen and you know so we ran hydrogen um into a nasal cannulus and then we got you out of there and we put you on something called the hypermax which is um ewat exercise with oxygen therapy and it's um i mean well documented the only two-time nobel prize winner in in modern

medicine won his nobel prizes for his work in multi-step oxygen therapy we put you on a treadmill um put an oxygen mask on you and you just breathe down that 900 liter bag of oxygen and then we put you in a hydrogen bath remember we um yeah so it was amazing man i saw that instantly uh i've you know from from the sport of mma i've had like i don't know if it's called tendonitis or what it is but you know there's days my elbow's fine and there's days it gets tapped in and it turns into like a tennis ball right away just from all the years of constant getting punched, getting kicked there. If I get double leg takedown, I land on my elbow. And then on top of that, I still have to weight lift that day.

It's not like I just, the day's over. I still have to do a good amount of work, whether my elbow's swollen or not. So there's days it's fine. There's days it gets tapped and there it goes. And when I got there, it was actually pretty, it was decent size, you know? And I got into the bath. I mean, like an hour later, the swelling was like 50% gone already. You know, it was actually pretty, it was decent size, you know? And I got into the bath.

I mean, like an hour later, the swelling was like 50% gone already. You know, it was fucking nuts, man. Yeah. And it's amazing that these things are available to athletes. I mean, they're available to everybody, but they're available for recovery. I mean, you can't, quote unquote, enhance performance, but you sure can enhance recovery. And I think the recovery is the name of the game. And science has moved so far in the art of enhancing recovery.

And yet, you know, athletic trainers and a lot of physical therapists and coaches don't know that these modalities are out there. And they're legal and they're NSF certified and they will not get an athlete in trouble, but they will recover them like a Wolverine. Nuts. Yeah, it's nuts question before more because i had this one last time um you know like if you take testosterone then your body stops making it right like making it yourself for the e-watt if you're getting in there and it makes oxygen for you does your body like no that's a great question um so if you're if you're putting high amounts of oxygen and you know does your body does your body actually adapt to it or actually

want you know developing a dependency on it and the answer is no and that's why it's called exercise with oxygen therapy because the air we're breathing is about 21 oxygen they are that we're all breathing right now though that that bag of oxygen is about 93 oxygen but you only breathe it for a short period of time so you don't create a dependency. You're just shocking the body with oxygen and you're under mild exercise. So if you think about it, oxygen is the ultimate fuel for the body because our cells turn oxygen into energy,

turn it into something called ATP. And I've always said that the presence of oxygen is the absence of disease. And so when we dump oxygen in, especially first thing in the morning, we're getting all of our cells to eliminate waste, to repair, to detoxify, to regenerate. And this is not only a great way to start the day, but it starts that whole process of recovery. Because we're putting a lot on our cells.

I mean, when you train the way that you do, and you're being kicked, and you're punched, and you're falling on a mat, and you're creating all these little micro injuries then you're stressing the body with you know with intense exercise and then you're stressing the body by not getting enough recovery and sleep these short bursts of oxygen this ewot or multi-step oxygen therapy is a game changer so what we installed in your house today is called the superhuman protocol. Sorry, Nate. I'm so sorry. He's getting paid.

Don't feel bad for him, man. Okay. He's in. He got insurance. He got all that good shit, man. Don't feel bad for him. Okay. Okay.

I just feel bad because now you got the superhuman protocol. You're already going to whip his ass, but now you're going to feel good about it. But the superhuman protocol is the red light therapy um the pulse electromagnetic field the pmf and the and the oxygen you start combining those things which you're about to do the hydrogen water and the hydrogen water right there um and you know so you're you're you're now reducing inflammation you're increasing how your body's absorbing nutrients you know all of those things so i I actually want to talk a little bit about the fight you got coming up because I know June 1st is a big day for you. I actually watched your press conference. I thought you handled yourself amazingly well.

You said this fight's not personal for you. Yeah, none of them are, you know. I feel like some of them have been. Yeah, but one guy, you know, was personal. I can't say his name because the feds will come up in the room and they'll freaking try to hit me with another case. But for the most part, it's like Michael Jordan playing a pickup game, a basketball game with somebody.

Maybe he doesn't like that person, but when he's on that court, that doesn't mean he's going to let that get to him. He just wants to score more points on you, but you can't. I can't stop being a calculated fighter that i've always been just because i really want to hurt this guy so now i'm cocking back a little harder now i'm trying to hit you a little no i just got to do what we've been working on and execute the strategy the game plan sense it's it's no no it can't be no different you know i can't let those emotions take over because i'm not though i might seem very cold in there a lot of times i'm just like everybody i got emotions too and

i got to keep them in check very much i remember dana white said to me one time i thought it was really insightful um he didn't say it to me sorry he said it on another interview i saw him being interviewed about what makes the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter um and they and they said if you only had one word to describe the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter. And they said, if you only had one word to describe the difference between a good fighter and a great fighter, and he said composure. And he said usually the one that loses their composure the first is the one. Is that kind of what you're talking about, losing your temper, getting emotional?

Losing your temper, and then you could have spikes. Maybe I got rage and the adrenaline is pumping, but then that's also going to come you know, come with a downside too. So I got to be able to, you know, navigate that adrenaline, all those dopamines coming through my body, this and that. You know, sometimes you get hit and it feels like, wow, I got so much energy now. And you got to be able to like navigate that and not make a mistake because you're also not invincible. You know, it's weird how the body works. You get hit and it'll like wake you up like a cold splash water.

Really? Yeah, yeah. A lot of times, you know, even if I've gotten dropped and it's like somebody came in here and they turned the light switch off. And they turn it back on and I'm on my butt. And all of a sudden I have all this energy, this rage. And I get up. Really? And, you know, you start throwing.

But if you keep getting hit in the chin, the light's going to stay off, you know. And that's something you've got to be able to regulate, you know. And that comes with experience, with time, you know. And it's also something that I think for a big part you're born with off, you know? And that's something you got to be able to regulate, you know? And that comes with experience, with time, you know? And it's also something that I think for a big part, you're born with it, you know? Right. So I've actually never had a fighter give me that perspective. So sometimes, so when you're in the ring, it's all the same to you.

You're not allowing yourself to get emotional. I mean, is there shit talking going on? They try to get in your head a little bit? Yeah, definitely. I'll be doing the shit talking. You know, try to get in your head a little bit? Yeah, definitely. I'll be doing the shit talking. I'll smile. I'll blow them a kiss.

I'll wink at them. A lot of things because that's called the game and shit, you know? But inside, though, it's like it's not really personal, you know? It's just this is what I love to do. It just happens to be fighting, you know? I don't have a quarterback arm. I don't have a good three-pointer, so I'm not doing that stuff. I'm doing what I love to do, and it just so happens it's fighting, so I got to keep my emotions in check always, you know i don't have a quarterback arm i don't have a good three-pointer so i'm not doing that stuff right i'm doing what i love to do and it just so happens it's fighting so i gotta keep my emotions in check always you know hey guys i think the most important website you may ever go to

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and you happen to be very good at it. When does that switch flick? Like, is it when you're in the back room warming up, like, is there ever a moment that it hits you like, I'm about to get in a fight, or do you get more comfortable as it as that moment gets closer i always wonder about walking out that shoot and seeing that crowd and like like what is that like i mean you're actually about to go in and create violence have violence against you like love it it's the best it's the best for you i've never done a drug like that i mean not even sex not food not it's it's not no roller coaster it is like the craziest drug i've ever tasted you know

the what's happening in your body and i think it's just like a primal thing you know not dating back to millions of years for our survival for everything that is just like that flight or fight to them that kicks in and you know kicks in and your body just feels really good. And it's also more than anything, a mind thing and a spiritual thing. And it also takes a lot of hard work, the right decisions to get there. I have to put the right type of gas in my body to be able to get to that finish line, to put that gasoline in fighting at least. It's a lot of attrition, man.

It's a lot of making the right decisions. Like, do i go out with my friends and party till three in the morning and then i go for my six o'clock morning run and it's complete do i go to sleep at the right time eat the right food train with my sparring partners then watch the videotape and it's like all these like little decisions to get you there so when you get there you're not thinking about that but it's all there in your subconscious you're like all right this is my moment this is my birthday party i'm gonna go enjoy it so i i definitely feel like man it's it's special man yeah but do you do you tune it out i mean does it does a crowd play into it um are you you get energy from that crowd or is it just inside that ring inside that octagon um i'll give you a good example. When I fought Nate the first time in Madison Square Garden,

Donald Trump, the sitting president, was coming to his first sporting event ever. He's right up against it. You can see that hair. My favorite president of all time is going to be here. Dwayne Johnson, one of my favorite actors, is going to be wrapping the belt around the winner. And my favorite fighter of all time is going to be,

finally, I was able to contact these people, and they contacted me back. And it just so happened that he was available at that time in the UFC at Lauderdale, that he was going to be walking me out, and he'd be in the cage with me. Who was that? Roberto Durant. Awesome.

Hands of stone, manos de piedra. And he's one of my all-time favorite boxers since I was a young guy. So all these things were in my head, and I was like, it's just another fight. You know, it's just another fight. If it's here, if it's Mars and Pluto, you know, after the fight and I got my hand raised, it's like all of that hit me. Like, damn, I can't do it.

I hit you on the right there. Yeah. My God, man. The Rock just put the belt on me. I'm hugging my favorite guy. My hero to me is right there the rock just put the belt i mean i'm hugging my favorite guy my hero to me is right there and then it all hits but before that it's like all right cool i'm not trying to like uh ignore them but in my mind i'm like it's just another fight man and whether it's in my backyard and it's just you watching or it's 10 million people watching at the end of the day it's a fist fight and to do the fist fight there's like certain protocols certain

things i gotta keep just like your program you got you got the protocol same thing i got to keep these things in check and in balance to go and execute my job you know yeah and you do a really really good job of it man so you know it's you know uh just a stand-up boxing match you know is is not a new thing for you i mean you've got great boxing skill but how is this fight with nate going to be different from the from the last fight the the last fight a lot of the the weapons that i hurt him with initially are not allowed in boxing you know so i dropped him with a foot to the face kicked him right in the face and fucking almost died then the next shot i hurt him bad with was my shin hit his rib and took his air out he He had to take a little breather and sit down again.

And I also dropped him with the right hand, you know? But that was a later one. So out of the three weapons, two of them, I can't use them. And Nate's a little bit better at boxing, I've always thought, than everything he does, you know? And he's very stubborn in his ways. It's like he didn't want to evolve with the game and learn how to kick or really block kicks.

So I took that as like, okay, that's your fault. You didn't want to go to kicking class, because I did and i'm gonna kick the fuck out of you know right so in boxing now he does have a couple advantages because it's a little bit more his field but he also has things that just work against him i'm genetically way faster i genetically got a lot more power you are powerful yeah better technique and at the end of the day man it's a lot of mind games too i'm already in his head he knows what my foot tastes like i can't he couldn't say he ever hurt me because we went three rounds and he absolutely did nothing a medical professional had to get in there and say no more this guy's had enough you're gonna this guy might die this guy

can't continue no more right you know besides the cuts that he has in his face and everything so all that he's got to deal with that in the fight. And me, I've been training, I've been here in Vegas. First time I leave my home camp of American Top Team where I've been based out of Florida forever. And I got a pretty good routine there. I got my kids half the time, so I'll do a morning run, come back home, take the kids to school, do my workouts, pick the kids up later from school, hang a morning run, come back home, take the kids to school, do my workouts,

pick the kids up later from school, hang out with them, and then go back to the gym at night, and it's just like my life. So I'm not in their life 100%, but I'm in their life constantly, in and out. This is the first time I've had to leave all that behind and for a numerous period. By the time the fight comes, it'll be close to six months

that I've been here in Vegas just preparing for one thing to get in the best shape of my life and put as much pain as I can in the sky and that's it you know right so it's coming down to that moment but and you and I I mean I love how much you talk about your kids we talked about on the first day that we met in fact you were saying I could come back and forth because I'm coming back to back to see my kids because you know it was in miami but how how much of a foundation is is being a father to you i mean where does that fall in in the importance of things and like what is that what is that done for you how's it shaping you as a fighter now right now it hurts more than it

right now it's just like pain i got my my son calls me he's like yo man what's up man what are you doing let's let's do this this is that when When he coming back or he's a lot like me too, where he'll just ignore me. Now he's also in that stage where he's so mad. He don't want to talk on the phone. I'm like, hey, how was your day? Good. What are you doing?

Nothing. Like he's just mad. He's like me, when I miss somebody a lot, I'm like, I don't even want to think about you cause I'm hurting myself for what? Out of sight, out of mind. He's the same exact person as me, you know? So it just like right now it just frustrates me.

But I have a mission at hand. And this fight, you know, opens the doors for me and for them and for their future, you know? So it's something, like, I have to balance it out. Like, man, is this time away spent worth what I could give them in the future, you know? And that's a question I always juggle with. But at the end of the day, as far as, like, performance goes, it just makes me want to go to the gym and hit somebody fucking way harder. You want to make it worth it because if you're going to take that time away,

you want to show your kids that it's worth it. I want to go to sleep earlier because I really ain't got shit to do, man, but train, so I'm going to get more rest. I'm going to wake up earlier. I'm going to run harder. I'm going to hit these pads harder. And then when it all comes to it on June 1st, Nate's the one that's got to pay for it, you know? Yeah. That's awesome, man. I'm going to hit these pads hard. And then when it all comes to it on June 1st, Nate's the one that's got to pay for it, you know? Yeah. That's awesome, man. I love hearing that.

So, I mean, I know that you're probably not at this moment, super focused beyond this fight. But what is, what is next up for you? Because, you know, I, I just did a podcast with, with Max Crosby. And one of the things we talked about was, you know, athletes are not really known for doing a good job after their careers, right? Because at some points, everybody's career comes to an end. Their life doesn't come to an end. Their life starts at that point. So what is, you know, what is Jorge Masvidal got planned now? I mean, are there things you're investing in?

Are there things that you're building? Is there life after the fight game for you comes to an end? Like, where do you see yourself going post-fight game? You would have asked me that question like four years ago. I would have told you, man, I'm just going to ski and surf, chase the winners and waves, and be with my kids, and that's it. And I discovered another passion, something else that I love. Me and my partner Dean Tool and Victoria Gonzalez,

we started promoting maybe like three years ago. We started promoting events. And as I started to dive deeper into the work, it was like, man, I love it. Not only can I pick it, it was like, man, I love it. Not only can I pick it, it's like if I picked up a medical textbook, good luck, Chuck. The hell am I? I couldn't sell medical insurance.

I couldn't be selling knives door to door, nothing like that. But now I could watch a guy shadow box, and I could instantly tell you if he's worth a dime or not. Really? I could know that this guy with that guy is going to make a hell of a fight. And you know what? I happen to have a fan base that really trusts me when it comes to talking about fights and who I think is going to be a great fighter and what fight is going to be great. So as we started doing the promotion business, I really started falling in love with it.

And it's a lot like the fighting. I'm watching tapes on guys that we want to recruit where they're up-and-coming world champions in the middle of the pack, you know. So I started doing that more, and now it's blown up. We're in a really, really, really good place with the promotions. We just crowned our heavyweight champion, Junior Dos Santos, as our first bare-knuckle heavyweight champion in the world for game bread, bare knuckles.

So you got game bread, bare knuckles. You got game bread boxing and a glove boxing. And bare knuckles is bare knuckle MMA. Yes, sir, bare knuckles so we're you got game bread bare knuckles you got game bread boxing yes and a glove boxing yeah and bare knuckles bare knuckle mma yes sir bare knuckle mma no uh no gloves and it's just like you said pure violence pure violence man the most violent show on earth um grapplers also love it because when you don't got these gloves now you could choke somebody out quicker you could get to these positions that are worth getting to and now guys can't saw, you know, cause we got all the taping gauze. And then you got like four ounces of gloves that they're not

really slippery, you know? And a lot of times to finishing a submission, the thing is it's a lock. It's all about how good your lock is. And now when I'm impeding you, like, let's say you got my back and I could just grab your glove. I could stall guys out. So now we see that not just a knockout.

Cause you got more to grab you're saying. Exactly. Now when it's just the hands and they're slippery, it's like impossible, you know? And we see the submissions going through the roof. So there's really not like a dull moment in the fight now where guys are in a position and one guy's in a advantageous position,

the other guy knows it, so he's kind of stalling. Now it's like, if you're in a bad position with no gloves, you're gonna get hurt, man. Whether it be the hands hands the elbows or the the submission right so just you you think it's a it's just a lot more entertaining a lot more entertaining and we see it you know we'll have uh 10 to 12 bouts on the card and we'll have like an 80 to 90 percent finish ratio on every card that we've ever thrown and it's just constant finish after finish after finish you know and then And when you, did you, so this just, this is something that recently evolved.

Also, shout out to the matchmaker for the finishes. Shout out to the matchmaker. Yeah, I mean, when they do a good job of matching fighters up, it makes for a real entertaining fight. I mean, we're at UFC 300, and this is one of the, I mean, I've been a fight fan for a long time, and this is one of the best cards I've seen in a long time. Even the undercards, like, as soon as we're done this podcast,

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And now back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. You know, I love it when, you know, athletes that are at the prime of their career are already planning for that post-career. So, you know, I want to give a lot of love to your three separate promotions that you've got going on, and we'll give it out to the fans so they can find out how to find out more about those after the podcast.

But even after this fight with Nate, in your fight career, in your professional career, what do you see coming later in this year, next year? I remember you mentioned to me you still have a fight left in the ufc um yeah i still got a contract with the ufc we were they were gracious enough and generous enough to let me go box for three fights so i'm gonna go do that definitely and the grind for i'm not taking anything away from from boxing but the grind in boxing it's a little different than mmas and i could start an m camp healthy, but by the end of it with the wrestling, the jujitsu, the kicking in the knees, the running, the weightlifting,

the swimming, your body takes a toll. And I got some injuries already that I've had for like numerous times. And right now they might be all right, but as I go through these grueling camps, they only get worse and worse and worse. So boxing is a lot less toll on the body to get through that process you know it's it's no joke that they have because still to this day more people die in boxing

yearly than ever in mma and that's because they only have one option which is just punch all you can do is punch to the head or punch to the body's in mma i could take a guy down submit him 100 different options in mma you know um so it's it's not to take anywhere from boxing but the grind that i'm used to it's like it's night and day man it's a it's a different grind yeah it's a different grind in mma you know i mean we'll we'll spar me and you and i'll kick you as hard as i possibly can on your knee and now your knee's a little wobbly you know maybe you tore some some micro tears and some ligaments you you still got to go run three miles. Right. And then, you know, after that, you're going to have your weight,

strength and conditioning at night. And then the next morning you're going to wrestle. Now I get into that leg again and I put it in a position where it shouldn't be. You're not trying to get taken down and, boop, there it goes, it pops. Well, guess what? You still got another strength and conditioning clap and you still got to run, you know. So the wear and tear that you take in MMA, it's a lot, man. And it's on a daily basis, you know?

Yeah, but you're saying that the boxing training is not as taxing on your body. Not on your overall body. Obviously, on your head, you're taking a lot of shots. But if you're a good, solid, defensive fighter and you're working with the right people, you shouldn't be, like, taking those shots, right? You know, still, they're super disciplined. They're Monday through Saturday I run, which is not something I did in MMA.

A lot of our society or communities and so much in the running because we've got so much things to do. And every day I hit the bags and, you know, at least three to four times a week I spar, you know, which is, we're not going light when we spar, but the overall grind in MMA, it's different, man. It's a lot of requirements to have that gasoline, a lot of weightlifting,

which boxing, they incorporate the strength and conditioning, but not like we do. We're lifting hard and heavy two to three times a week just to be able to have that muscle to be able to grab you, squeeze as hard as I can and break your rib or whatever it is. Yeah. I mean, and and how important is it to have the right people in your camp i mean talk a little bit about the people

that are in your inner sphere right now in your camp that are making a difference that um that you think are actually going to have a really demonstrative outcome on how this fight comes out man it's you'll understand it's simple and plain it's like if i have some quack of a doctor they're selling me snake oil you know or if i have a legit guy somebody that's got the math the science behind and saying this is what you need this is how you recover this is how you become a better athlete you know a better human being it's the same thing in fighting um so shout out always to my team to to to my handlers um I come from American Top Team, that's where I first started from MMA. Now I'm here in Vegas with Jorge Capetillo. Paulino Hernandez is still my striking coach

from when I started the game. And he's still like the second now in the boxing. He understands his role that he's not predominantly a boxing coach. So we've let the boxing coach take the full lead and then he's just supplementing, helping out as much as he can. My business partners, Victoria Gonzalez and Dean Tool,

that put the whole camp together for me to come out here. And they're the ones that wanted me to get out of Florida because they know there's a lot of distractions in Florida. A lot of things to do in Coconut Grove. Right, yeah. So they shipped my ass out of there. More Miami, but yeah. So they shipped me out real quick,

and it's slowly but surely all coming together me out real quick and uh you know it's uh it's it's slowly but surely all coming together real real nice and clean you know got you added to the team now yeah yeah yeah we just um california's gonna try to give me a murder case i got a great lawyer too brad corn what's up man shout out to the lawyer um yeah i mean we just had a um again going back to that childlike curiosity of yours, which I love. I mean, you're curious and fascinated about anything that can improve your performance. We met right before this and went through blood work, went through gene testing, you know, with the clinical team and I. And since the first time we met, you told me about the oxygen.

I'm no doctor, but I've had so many injuries on my hands. And 10 days before a title fight, I tore some ligaments on the hands. I went and got x-rays. Didn't come up in the x-ray, obviously. I didn't throw a punch for like 10 days. I went into the fight, first round, boom, destroyed my hand. And I fought another five rounds with it. That injury stayed with me for about two years.

And I got the option to opt to do surgery. But I would have been out for like eight months. I was like, they said rehab, 30 months. I was like, okay, I did the rehab. injury stayed with me for about two years and i got the option to opt for to do surgery but i would have been out for like eight months i was like uh they said rehab three months i was like okay i did the rehab the rehab turned into like two years of rehab because it just wouldn't get better right so i had to start putting cortisone every fight to to be able to get through the camp and then right before the fight another shot of cortisone it was destroying my hand literally it was like cortisone's terrible for you long term. I met a doctor when I was doing a seminar in Chile,

and he told me about ozone shots, and I had no idea what that was. I was like, I have no idea, but let's go because I'm exhausted. My options, I've been doing rehab for like two years, and I'm thinking about doing surgery, which I never wanted to do. Thank God to this day I've never had to do surgery. And so they put the ozone in my hand, and like three weeks later, my hand was like 50% better. And it was crazy. And since then, I stuck with it.

I did a lot of ozones for my hands to get them better for knees and stuff like that. So when you told me about the oxygen, how important it is, it was like, for sure, a million percent. Yeah, game changer. And you're doing the ozone now too which is another another thing you can do we do a transdermal through that um called the ho-cat the thing you sit in um that day i remember you getting out of there and you're like dude i feel amazing yeah um and that's when you had that night four days of of like not sleeping at all like two to three hours catch a plane go here podcast podcast interview all right you're ready we're done at

11 30 at night. Go to the airport, get that red eye, wake up the next day. And then on top of that, the last day was at UFC. And I was at home by like five in the morning. I felt, I was just destroyed, man. I couldn't believe how good I felt without sleep. That's what was the craziest.

That's incredible what they, you know, all the best like anti-aging, you know, biohacking, whatever you want to call it, longevity technology now is really just enhancing what the body does best on its own that's what i find so fascinating you know we talked about it today like making sure that you had all of your basics covered your hydration if you're going to hydrate you might as well hydrate with hydrogen water because it's

going to help you with inflammation you know absorbing your supplements it's going to help feed the bacteria in your gut if you're gonna supplement you might as well supplement for deficiency and not just start throwing in a bunch of supplements for the sake of supplementing and i think that's what a lot of athletes do is they you know they don't have a roadmap um they don't they don't get information on their temple and um yeah so then then you're just the temple this is the temple yeah and i mean you only got one of them and i mean it's it's even more important in your line of work because the temple is everything.

I mean, how it performs is going to determine whether or not you're a champion or whether you end up getting hurt. So I love that. I'm just so excited to be on this journey with you because you are my next superhuman project, brother. I think we're gonna i think we're gonna shock the world with how how well you're about to start you know showing your

performance but how about in terms of of of actual fights or opponents um is there anything like on the horizon if you don't want to talk about it for contractual reasons i totally understand but is there anything on the horizon beyond you know nate that that you and your camp are talking about oh definitely what do we got um we got some good names in boxing some uh some legends of the sport in boxing you know that are already done their thing in boxing and have numerous accolades i can't say the names not because of me because their size that some of them haven't signed on. But by the time that I fight Nate Diaz and I'm in that ring, those contracts will be filled out and we'll be able to say it. And I just can't say it because they haven't agreed yet fully,

so I don't want to get into anything. But I can tell you this much. It's household names in boxing, you know, mega household names in boxing that are going to break the internet for a fact, you know. And these are guys that you might fight? No, not might. 100% fighting. We just haven't dialed in.

We're down to like three, four of them. But, you know, once by the time the Nate Diaz fight is done, the contracts will be ready for the second fight. And like I said, the UFC let me out for three fights. So it's going to be Nate. It's going to be another mega fight and another mega fight the uc let me out for three fights so it's it's gonna be nate it's gonna be another mega fight and another mega fight you know so wow and then 2025 back for your fight in the u.s yes sir yes sir you see that that was another part of the reason they let me go three over here but you got to come back do one over here i love fighting man and to me the funnest

thing i've ever done i think the ufc you. You got the fastest knockout in UFC history. You were the first, you know, the official bad motherfucker. I mean, you had one of the highest gates in UFC history. I mean, highest pay-per-views in UFC history. I mean, you're an exciting, entertaining fighter. And I think—I mean, there's no reason for the UFC not to want you back. But any ideas who that might be? I mean, 2025 is a long way off. Yeah.

We'd have to check out the landscape but you know um with with more of the stuff and i'm not just saying this because you're here with a lot of stuff that i've been doing already that you had recommended for me i just haven't been hitting the wall as much in training you know because there's days where like okay you know we we do like we do a lot of how my training would like, okay, we do week one and then week two, we're gonna build on it, where we're gonna go a little bit more intense. And then week three, we're gonna go all out. And then we're gonna take like a week of active rest.

We're gonna train every day. But if I was training two hours every day, now I'm gonna train like an hour, 50 minutes, and just kind of bring that intensity for a week. And then we're gonna do it again. We're gonna stack up for like three weeks. And as I was doing that, you know, and just kind of bring that intensity for a week. And then we're going to do it again. We're going to stack up for like three weeks. And as I was doing that, you hit the wall, you know, you hit the wall a lot of times. I'm like, man, I don't feel the same, this and that, but with the protocol

slowly and surely, I'm not hitting those walls where I usually would hit those walls, I'm just feeling better. Now I get that recovery week and it's like, holy smokes, I didn't even need it. You know? And now I'm backfiring even harder now because I just, I've been feeling that. So I feel like the only thing right would be how I've always done in my career, get a good fight to welcome me back into UFC.

And after that, just line up the next guy that could get me closest to the title and go fight for that title, man. That's my plan. So you actually could be fighting for a UFC title next year. That's exciting. Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be my first fight back because I'd have to work my way back in those rankings

but man I would just look to fight the toughest guys that I could get my hands on and go for that title again yeah I mean so how has you know I mean obviously as you age you know recovery doesn't is not as as fast as it was when when you were younger and I think a lot of athletes rely on youth and skill and they don't really focus that much on recovery and you're starting to see the benefits of it now. All I would do is like sauna and cold plunge. That's something that is just like part of the community.

So a lot of saunas for like cutting weight and stuff and also like the inflammation and then just the cold plunge like, oh man, my hand, my shins hurt, getting the cold plunge. That's that to this point, to me and you started working, that's all I've really done in my career is sauna, cold plunge, and oxygen chamber, you know? Yeah, and we're about to take that whole next level.

When you say oxygen chamber, you mean the hyperbaric. Hyperbaric chamber. I mean, and those are all great. But I feel like a lot of that is very 1999 science, and it's great science, but we're in 2024, and the ability to recover at in you know with incredible accuracy is really just gone leaps and bounds and you you know you're seeing it in in sleep i mean again if we can just it's not just about

recovery but we want to restore the body's natural mechanisms to heal and repair itself so just by your hrv going up your sleep score is improving hrv went up it was crazy i went up like a 30 i still remember the exact number like a 37 percent from doing the machines and that's not something that that happens like i i i don't know if all the listeners even know what the hrv is but yeah heart rate variability yeah but kind of a measure of of readiness for for for athletic strain yeah and it's like that i've had the whoop on for quite some time um it just doesn't jump like that you know you'll get a good night's rest it'll jump 10 15 but it did like 37 increase it scored my highest

hrv and i was like what this is this is. And then that same morning, I went for a row. I run right in the grove. Felt amazing. I believe in him at 1 million percent. Yeah. So you feel like you've got enough energy for both passions. Your passion's in growing the sport of promotions, which in the bare-knuckle MMA, the gloved MMA, and your game-bred boxing boxing um you got enough energy to commit to those and

still keep yourself healthy and fresh and be at the top of your fight game oh yeah yeah oh yeah definitely um you know a lot of the promotion stuff is so cool because at least my part of it is a lot of times just watching guys that we want to recruit and then reaching out to these guys me and my partner and then then the legal team will take care of the legal stuff. But me, I'm just reaching out to guys and there's not a guy that I don't know in the sport. Thank God that if I don't know them, they know me.

If not, I know somebody that knows them. They can put me in contact with these individuals. With every show that we have, it's like I open up my messages, my emails, and it's just everybody's hitting me up. Hey, I want to come fight. Hey, guys that I'm shocked and I'm surprised. Man, look who reached out, wants to come fight for us. Wow.

So it's just getting bigger and bigger. And like I said earlier, I love it like how I love fighting. Since I started 13, 12 years old and I got into the fight game, I was just utterly and all about that. I didn't care about girls. I didn't care about going to a party. I didn care about any other sport I just wanted to get better at fighting and it's kind of the same thing I just want to get better at promotion and putting on the best shows that I possibly can most of us have a very difficult time meeting our protein needs and certain protein sources like whey protein and others can be as little as 20% absorbable. This is 99% absorbable and it has all of the

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ultimate human podcast you know we we were at the the slap last night and um and somebody said i don't know if it's true but i noticed your beard's thickened a little bit but they said the beard reduces the intensity of the slap by like 0.3 percent so a little cushion there's a little cushion dude so so now i noticed the beer's thickening before the fight so you're getting your 0.3 percent out of the beard i noticed all those guys had had big beards but of course some of them got knocked out so maybe maybe the theory's not holding true when that slap goes through i don't care how much beer you got or the punch goes through it might lessen the blow, like you said, a point something, but it's a well-placed shot.

It was like 0.3% or 0.03%. I was like, well, if I was getting slapped for a career, I'd probably grow a beard too. I mean, I'll take whatever advantage I can. There's not much you can do to train to get slapped dead in your face while you hold on to a foam roller that I know of. There's not really much, man. I mean, just neck exercises, that's. I mean, you just neck exercises. That's really about it, you know? Yeah, just keep your head from rotating.

I mean, you talk about in fights how those lights have gone off and they come back on. I mean, what is that like in the moment? I mean, when you're in a fight and all of a sudden you find yourself on your back and you don't even remember the last few few seconds of a fight i mean just put the listeners in that perspective of how do you how do you first of all how do you not panic well that that's the first thing that's where another thing that would the the good fighters and the great fighters and the athletes and the dogs you know that that's where where really comes down to because you see like a good athlete get dropped and now he has to make that decision

like or it's already made in because he has it in I'm like I don't give a damn how tall this mountain is I'm gonna kill you you just hit her I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna find a way to get out of here and I'm literally gonna kill you when I get out of here and you have that dog in you and there's a lot of guys that get dropped and then they're great athletes but you see them they're already looking for a way out they get hit and they're turning away your your opponents over here why are you looking over there you know you got to keep your eye on your guy the whole time you got to keep your eye on the target and that's where you start to be able to tell the guys that are great fighters

because they're dogs and the guys that are that are just really really good athletes you know and then when that just what dana means about composure when he says- Composure, but it also has to do with being a dog. Cause the composure is one thing, but you kind of gotta be born with that. Like, man, my eyes hanging out of my face, it doesn't matter, I'm coming at you. And there's guys that are like bleeding

and you're ready as soon as they start to get hurt or hit, every time they get hit, they're like a notch lesser and lesser. There's guys every time they get hit or or even if it's not going their way they're staying right in there's not letting them break them they're just okay doesn't matter you got me now but i'm gonna get you you know and that that is like like a big thing for me thank goodness um uh i have like a really bad temper when somebody hits me. I go Hulk mode every time somebody hits me. It's just my body just gets filled with adrenaline, and all I can do is like focus it on the individual.

So you actually turn that into a positive. You feel that pain. You take that hit. You acknowledge it. I'm not trying to like do that constantly because it's just not good for you as a fighter, you know. But every time I feel it, it's like I'm going to right as a as a fighter you know but every time i feel it it's like i'm gonna turn i'm gonna go right into you know you have to put me out you

have to shoot me in the head and leave me rotten stiff because if i have any type of energy i'm gonna use it towards you i mean more than 50 fights you've never tapped yeah no no i mean you've just gone out rather than yeah 100 you know 100 i mean mean, that to me is that's the dog that you're talking about. I mean, and, you know, I think fight fans are in for a really entertaining fight on the 1st of June. I'm excited to be, you know, in your corner helping you with recovery and your supplementation and your sleep. You know, I, I, I always at, you know, when we're winding down a podcast, I always want the fans to know where to find out more about the leagues that you're supporting. I mean, this, this,

this bare knuckle league is no doubt going to, going to take off. Where can, where can listeners find out more about, you know, your league or more about more about you? The league is Game Bread. Game Bread Bare Knuckle MMA or Game Bread FC on Instagram. And I always wind down podcasts by asking a guest the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this question, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

To have this platform, it's amazing. I thank God, and I really feel it all comes from God as well, you know, just to be able to say that, you know, since young, I experienced God's presence and things that, you know, where my life was headed this way, and I made decisions, and God made decisions that put me in the path for me to make the decisions to go like this, to be able to tell everybody now all my speed, my power, my reflexes comes from above, you know.

And obviously I keep myself to date with the latest and greatest technology. And that's also a big reason why I never did, like, rehab or things like that or recovery because I was like, i gave it to me god also wants you to do some work though you know so i uh definitely thank god for for everything in my life and that i'm able to be here and millions of people listening worldwide and and they can find out where i got it from you know yeah dude that's that's really inspiring man well we're gonna have you back again after after an innate fight dude i know i know you're gonna take that fight i have no doubt you don't gotta bail me out you know but if you do just i'll be in california come bail me out because i'm gonna catch a body on that guy man well we uh we're in

your corner brother and um and as always guys that's just science