The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka - 81. Davinia Taylor: Biohacking Your Way Out of Addiction

Episode Date: July 23, 2024

For years, Davinia Taylor was put on antidepressants, called bipolar, and struggled with alcoholism. The truth? She was just dopamine seeking and underfed. In this episode of The Ultimate Human Podcast, host Gary Brecka sits down with Davinia Taylor, author and wellness advocate, to discuss her incredible 15-year journey from struggling with addiction to becoming a biohacking expert. Don’t miss this transformative story that could change how you view mental health and wellness! Connect with Davinia Taylor: Listen to Davinia Taylor’s "Hack Your Health" podcast weekly on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3zPe4qR For more information on Davinia Taylor: https://linkpop.com/daviniataylor Follow Davinia Taylor on Instagram: https://bit.ly/4dajmeX Follow Davinia Taylor on TikTok: https://bit.ly/4f6z7VX 00:00 ​​Intro of Show and Guest 04:22 ​​Davinia Taylor as a Recovering Alcoholic (15 Years Sobriety) 06:20 ​​Dopamine’s Role in Addiction and Recovery 07:35 ​​WillPowders and their Ingredients 10:50 ​​Davinia's Biohacking Journey 16:35 ​​Global Addiction of Ultra-Processed Foods 22:09 ​​Commercial Farming vs. Sustainable Organic Farming 26:19 ​​From Counting Calories to Counting Chemicals 31:42​ ​Davinia's Morning Routine 36:37 ​​Concept of “Fat-Fasting” 44:09 ​​Carnivorous Diet 46:24 ​​Fallacy of Medications 49:58 ​​D.U.T.C.H. Test  54:40 ​​Dopamine Dysregulation 56:06 ​​Dopamine in Autism Spectrum Disorders 01:05:38 ​Medical Advancements (through AI, Big Data) 01:08:53 ​Women’s Non-Responsiveness to Glucose (35+) 01:12:34 ​Final Question: “What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human?” Get weekly tips from Gary Brecka on how to optimize your health and lifestyle routines: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Join our FREE 3-Day Ultimate Cold Plunge Challenge. Register now for exclusive access!: https://bit.ly/3zFjgxb PLUNGE - Use code “Ultimate” for $150 off your order of the best cold plunge & sauna in the US: https://bit.ly/3yYE3vl EIGHT SLEEP - Use code “GARY” to get $350 off Pod 4 Ultra: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E ECHO GO PLUS HYDROGEN WATER BOTTLE: https://bit.ly/3xG0Pb8 BODY HEALTH - Use code “ULTIMATE10” for 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/4cJdJE7 Discover top-rated products and exclusive deals. Shop now and elevate your everyday essentials with just a click!: https://theultimatehuman.com/amazon-recs Watch “The Ultimate Human Podcast with Gary Brecka” every Tuesday and Thursday at 9AM ET on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Follow The Ultimate Human on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3VP9JuR Follow The Ultimate Human on TikTok: https://bit.ly/3XIusTX Follow The Ultimate Human on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3Y5pPDJ Follow Gary Brecka on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs Follow Gary Brecka on TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo Follow Gary Brecka on Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H SUBSCRIBE TO: https://www.youtube.com/@ultimatehumanpodcast https://www.youtube.com/@garybrecka   Download “The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka” podcast on all your favorite platforms: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka Podcast is for general informational purposes only and does not constitute the practice of medicine, nursing or other professional health care services, including the giving of medical advice, and no doctor/patient relationship is formed. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast is at the user’s own risk. The Content of this podcast is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their health care professionals for any such conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm a recovering alcoholic. So that's 15 years of being sober. Now, what I didn't realize when I first got sober was the fact I was just dopamine seeking. I didn't do it to be indulgent. I did it because it actually made me function better until it didn't. I've been put on antidepressants.

I've been called bipolar. I was just underfed. I didn't have enough fuel in my brain to be a mom or be my best self. I like what you're saying too. You said I didn't have enough fuel in my brain. You didn't say I didn't have enough calories. But now I've got other ways to sort of find that dopamine because basically

I've always thought I didn't have enough willpower and actually I just didn't have the right ingredients in my brain. So many times we have nutrient deficiencies and they express themselves as certain conditions. You know, like you were talking about dopamine. We used to have a saying that the absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction. And not because people are necessarily seeking a high,

they're seeking. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brekker, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today, the London version of the Ultimate Human Biohacking Podcast is with an English actress, author, and wellness advocate, Davinia Taylor. Welcome to the podcast, Davinia. Welcome to London. What do you think of the beautiful weather? You know, it's really funny. I actually did a post when I got here.

It's on my Instagram that we got off the plane. I shit you not, this is a true story. Got off the plane and it was freezing cold. And I was like, you know what? I kind of like this brisk weather. So we got to the VRBO and then we were like wait well let's go find an organic market and we'll go get some food we go outside it's hot as the devil and it's pouring down rain literally the pouring down we like to keep you guessing what the hell to wear and i know your wife she lost a suitcase as well so that's just another layer to the map there was

brian sunny on the walk home i was like how do we go through all three weather phases? It's awful. Honestly. And you know, I hate packing. I mean, I get myself so overwhelmed and I never pack anything right. And you know, I like 55 pairs of trainers and no socks. I mean, the usual stuff, but at least you can buy stuff here. Do you overpack or underpack? I overpack with nothing.

Just useless shit. You know, useless shit. So you're ready for like 15 workouts, but no dinner. Yeah. I mean, I've literally got, I mean, got so much stuff and then nothing to wear and I drive myself insane. But my husband came down yesterday and he just brought down things like, you know, a coat, maybe you need a coat to vineyard. But I think that's part of my brain anyway. I've kind of accepted that shit's going to happen.

I'll survive it and I'll move on. I do the same thing. Like, you know, I, you know, eerily have no concept of time. No, no. But I never miss a flight. But my wife stresses constantly about missing flights. And I'm like, babe, the data says that we don't miss flights. Now, but she's like, the data also says that you don't care about missing flights.

And I'm like, I don't. And maybe that's why. And she makes sure you get it. I mean, I get, I mean, I get really overwhelmed. She stresses enough for the both of us. I get overwhelmed at airports. I don't know why. I always assume because I forget really important things

like passports. I do too. Suitcases, children, you know, basic stuff. That's why people like us have spouses. Yes. Because they don't forget those things i mean i've taken he's here right thank you but he's here and he i've taken him to the wrong airport like twice and he's like what are we doing at heathrow and we should have

been at gatwick i don't know and i hate me that's that really epic but yeah he's confirming it off camera it's just a complete waste of time but it's like i think this is why i kind of like dig the whole bio hacking or should we say bio harmonizing for women i like it because i can now accept who i am but i have certain strengths and there's some things i just um i'm not hardwired to do i am terrible at admin i really am but i'm really creative and i really i can see things i you know a future plan everything and and it's great i. I feel like I live in a movie, but I'm always projecting forward. I'm so, I mean, I'm dopamine seeking all the time. Yes. Which I enjoy.

Yes. And I mean, I used to be called a daydreamer. Well, as long as it's heading in a good direction. Yeah, of course. Exactly. So, I mean, actually, I may as well just like get this out the way because I'm a recovering alcoholic. Okay. So that's 15 years being sober.

Now, what I didn't realize when I first got sober was the fact I was just dopamine seeking. I wasn't drinking to mask any trauma or anxiety. I got energy. I got lit up with white wine. And that was my go-to. And I didn't realize it wasn't the wine per se. It was that feeling that literally,

as soon as it hits the neuropods in my mouth the electricity shut up to my brain and boom i could like focus i could pay bills i could do i could pay parking fines that i got when i wasn't like you know you know what i mean i could do i could do admin i could do life but the trouble is then the dopamine wears off then you have to have another glass of wine before you know it you're six glasses in and you're actually drunk. Right. And that's the tricky thing with alcoholism. Then the behavioral side of things kicks in.

And then the wheels fall off and whatever. I mean, literally. But I find it so interesting that that's now, the guilt comes out of it. You know, I didn't do it to be indulgent. I did it because it actually made me, you know, function better until it didn't, you know, and then it turned on me, but now I've got other ways to sort of find that dopamine and just, I run every morning. I love running. And I didn't realize why. I mean, I stopped running when I was drinking, of course. I mean, imagine being drunk, running, knocking people out.

I think I've seen a few people drunk running in London. There's a lot of drunk running in London. As if there is actually running home. From the pub. I mean, I'm like the usual hacks. I get up in the morning. I love coffee. I love MCT.

You know, I have powder. I've got a company called Will Powders. Oh, yeah. A company called Will Powders. And what does Will Powders do? Because basically, I've always thought I didn't have enough willpower i thought it was my fault you know i thought i lacked that that edge that grit and actually i just didn't have the right ingredients in my brain and that's why i wish you'd seen my talk today was exactly on that

so many times we are just a nutrient deficiency we have nutrient deficiencies and they express themselves as certain conditions you know like you were talking about dopamine. You know, when I was in the mortality space, we used to have a saying that the absence of dopamine is the presence of addiction. And not because people are necessarily seeking a high, they're seeking normalcy. Yes. And you literally just put that into words, which is fascinating because that is exactly what my talk was on today.

But you lived it. You know, you weren't you weren't drinking to get drunk per se you weren't like seeking the high you were seeking the normalcy you said you were functional yeah i mean literally i could get on the phone and just like i don't know cancel a subscription otherwise i just don't have the mental energy to do something as mundane and bloody boring as waiting on hold for 30 minutes you know i mean i still can't do that i mean no one really likes that but like it really it wasn't available to me but yeah so now i've got like these uh these these powders that i use and i

don't just use my own you know i i get it i get it from nature i get it from like you know say mushroom tea a bit of some cordyceps something like that right it just it takes me up a couple of percent and then everything's accessible. And I don't get drunk. I don't get high. I don't have a comedown. Yes. Yes.

And you call it will powder. Yeah. Which I love. So what's in will powder? Okay. So the, the sort of signature range, well, I'll tell you what I use every day. So I get up in the morning, I'll have some electrolytes and the usual, you know, there's no, there's no sugar in it.

We've got a little bit stevia in it, coconut and stuff but we've also put some um dandelion leaf in it and some horsetail tea and it just flushes out you know big fat cankles puffy face just all the stuff that women get when you've got pmc or been on a plane you just balloon so it just flushes that out that's like one of our best sellers women love it you know particularly if they've had a glass of wine at night you know we're not 20 anymore you get these puffy face well some are some are still 20 but you know i mean it catches up guys so you may as well just take my advice we're talking to you yeah done it just yeah get the electrolytes yeah we can't stand you loser uh naive All of you. Life will spit you out.

But yeah, so I start off with just, I mean, I just, I'm doing everything quick. I've got four boys, you know. I can't believe it. And it's like, it's pretty testosterone. And what are the ages of your boys? Okay, so number one, I number them, by the way. I know that sounds awful. You do call them thing one, thing two, thing three?

Because I've seen their shirts. But I mean, I do call them by their names. But when I'm talking to someone, I'm just like, give them the order. So they kind of can picture it. So number one, he's 17. He's decided that he's best off not doing any academics and he's going to really focus on bulking up and girls. So that's that. I'm like, this is great.

Okay, so yeah. So we're having a huge rouse about that at the moment. So that's wonderful. Number two is just turned 13. So I'm bracing for impact. So then the hormones are going to kick in any minute. Number three is 10. And I think he could probably run a small country. He is our admin guy and he's only 10. My money's on him. Yeah, for sure. He will. So he's everyone's saviour in our family. He's literally going to get me out of

jail. I know he is. And number four is obviously number four of all boys and is like a thug, a hooligan. So he is tough as old boots. And my baby, but he's like this. He kind of has to be, right? Like the last in four boys. I know. I mean, he is just bulletproof.

All that, fell down the stairs, everything. You know, he's just one of those. He's just robust. Just a flesh one. My little one. So yeah, so basically the mornings are chaotic and I thrive in the morning that is my i feel everything i got a nice rice rising cortisol dopamine goes up really so you're

a morning person yeah i'm a morning now how about your husband same and my husband is definitely a night owl okay so it's great so we hardly see each other so it's great we're like shifts in the night so that works so like you're shutting down at night you see get chatty oh yeah he does my wife does the same thing she gets so chatty i'm like babe what are you doing i'm like i'm powering down yeah i can't hear you but then i'm chatty in the morning we have this series called good morning babe where i i actually wake her up on instagram but um she's not fond of it but i have a lot of followers that are really fond of it and it's just um how excited i am coming home from the gym after a really good workout and i'm flying high and she's in a dark cold room under the covers and i just really i enjoy it in the night i just share share

my morning with her and she's just like i don't give a shit she does she's threatened to stab me in the neck before on on in front of millions of people i have two million followers on instagram i got too many witnesses i have witnesses to this this this this is not this is not going to help you in court he's laughing off camera so i i want to talk about you know a little bit about your journey from um actress socialite um with the drinking problem since you've thrown it out there um shocking one i mean shocker i mean i do everything to an extreme i was a shocking drunk you might not remember, but a few years ago, we, through friends of friends, my wife, you, I want to say it was Hoffie Golan, somebody else.

We ended up at Annabelle's together. You weren't drinking. And we left and there's paparazzi taking pictures of you and I got shot in the background. So I was in the Daily Mail because of you. I'm sure we could look it up. Yeah, we'll find it. It'll be out.

But they were like, Davinia Taylor and then some other random dude. I'm like, hey. So he's going to make you live longer. Take his picture, man. Biohacker extraordinaire. I can tell you when you're going to die. You know? I know stuff.

The whole restaurant was decorated with like a jungle theme. And it had like these big birds outside. Oh, it's like ridiculous. It's maximalist. It's over the top. It was amazing. It's really, I mean, God, I'd hate to be like under the influence there.

I was really impressed with that place. I mean, it's really intense. And they have like a Halloween room and then- Oh, man. I mean, it's like a fun factory. It's insane, isn't it? It literally is like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory for adults.

But yeah, there are tons of booze. I mean, just tons of booze and just like tons of like extreme people. But yeah, it's interesting because I moved out. So this transition, talk a little bit about. Yeah, I moved out of London during lockdown anyway. And that's kind of like when I set up Will Powders and I will get back into my routine once,

because I started on the electrolytes, but I'll tell you my morning routine. And I'll say, I want to be interested to see how many people vibe with that. And other people go, absolutely not. That's too intense. It's funny, isn't it? Because this is what I like about the whole biohacking thing is N of one.

What works for me doesn't necessarily work for you. I've got so much in common with Sage, your wife, about crazy snips that, you know, the wellbeing community would just like tell me you got to have a load of green tea. And of course, when I was getting sober, I'm like, right, I'm going to have a load of green tea. That was like the worst terror come down ever. Oh my gosh. I mean, you, you explained to me, cause you know about these genes more, but it's the COMT gene, isn't it? Because my journey started really into barohacking when my mom got diagnosed

with breast cancer, of course. And it's like, well, you need the BRCA gene testing. So that kind of opened my eyes. And I was thinking, hang on, I wonder why I am an alcoholic, actually. I wonder if there's something in the gene pool. Because obviously it's in my family anyway. And I think it's in everyone's family, the whole addiction thing. But I just, as soon as I realized that, yeah, I am a little bit, well, I am definitely predisposed to addiction to alcohol. All of a sudden, again, the guilt comes off.

And you're like, I didn't predisposed to addiction to alcohol. All of a sudden, again, the guilt comes off and you're like, I didn't have a fighting chance. Nevermind like growing up in the nineties and the LADEC culture and you match a guy pint for pint in England. I mean, it was encouraging. I'm like, I'm only five foot five and I'm drinking with rugby players. Are you kidding me? You know, so, I mean, it just took the shackles off me

and the self-hatred, which then puts you on a great journey to recovery. And you're like, okay, that's what it is. That's my lot. Let's move on from the past and let's focus on the future. So that for me was a freedom from addiction to know it's just there. I challenge you to transform your life in just three days. Join my three-day cold plunge challenge and experience the incredible benefits of cold water therapy. For three minutes each day, immerse yourself in cold water and feel the incredible benefits of cold water therapy. For three minutes each day,

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Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. That's amazing because, you know, there are definitely people that are listening to this podcast right now that you're suffering from, either suffering from, or know somebody who's suffering from addiction. And I think, you know, my perspective on addiction is much more simple. I'm not trying to simplify addiction, but I don't think that the majority of addicts woke up one day and said, I want to get really banged up.

No. They woke up one day and said, I want to get really banged up. No. They woke up one day and said, I want to feel normal. I'm definitely not going to get banged up. It's what they normally say. I want to feel normal. Yes, exactly. And in the search for normalcy, maybe it was nicotine. Maybe it was, you know, so it was drugs.

It was alcohol. It was promiscuity. It was gambling. It was whatever. Shopping. I mean, it's there. Fed the doping. Workaholic, workout-aholic, right?

I mean, when I was actually a competitive triathlete, I was only an amateur competitive triathlete, but I bet 40% of the guys that I was racing with and training with were recovering addicts. And this was their new addiction. I mean, we met at 5.30 in the morning. We swam for two and a half hours. Then we would do a century,

which is a hundred mile bike ride a few times a week. We'd run a half marathon a few times a week it wasn't normal to train it sounds like a hoot right yeah you know it's definitely not a hoot but but interestingly they just replaced one addiction for another yeah and i you know and i'm i'm i'm fond of your journey because you not only replaced the addiction but now you're sort of a voice for the opposite, right? You know, a voice for the healthy. Yeah. And do you know what? I mean, people will call me extreme, but I'm looking at what I do is kind of what we need to do in a, in today's society that is surrounded by the subliminal messaging, the encouragement for alcohol, the encouragement for self-destruction that go on, treat yourself. And I'm not just addicted to alcohol. I'm addicted to carbohydrates as well.

Because when my mother got diagnosed with cancer, I was like five years sober by then. I was into it. I was into recovery. I was, you know, I was, I mean, I wasn't healthy. I didn't understand what healthy was until I understood my food was off as well. And I didn't understand what, how, how to energize myself, how to relax myself. I didn't know how to hack my mood, you know? So it was, it was almost like

it was a gateway that because I suddenly leaned into carbohydrates and I'm not talking just like Domino's pizza. I'm talking like, you know, your overnight oats, your oat milk. Yeah. You know, all these healthy, all the whole grain wraps and brown rice and everything. And I could never satisfy this. It was like a tick, tick, tick. It was like a tapping, a dripping tap in the forefront of my brain saying, oh, what are we going to have now? Well, I just, I didn't get any satisfaction. I knew I couldn't drink, but there was something and i had no energy

i mean i had four kids and like you know i was going to take them for a walk in the park i could not be arsed putting the kid in the pram to take them for a walk and if i did it was it was like i was wading through quicksand yeah and my mood was flat i'm watching daytime tv all day and you know going downstairs and then like getting another snack and then coming upstairs the baby's sleeping i'll put the tv back on i was watching this but i was beige totally beige and flatline and that to me is the unspoken addiction that we have across the globe with these ultra processed foods and And it is flatlining everyone. And it's, you know, and they get excited about it.

So when I go take to social media and I dip out of my little sort of like echo chamber of my lovely moms on my like Instagram and I'll dip into someone else and I'll say, why have you tried eggs instead of overnight oats? Well, oh my God. It's like I've just killed the Pope.

Don't go after the vegans and the vegetarians. They're nasty. The overnight oat, don't go after the oat lot. Do not go after the oat lot. They are lethal. One of them told me to relapse. He said, you go relapse. I told you to relapse.

I said, what? Overnight oats versus eggs? I said, I've been through a bit tougher times than that, mate. I hope you drown in a bottle of vodka. A bottle of vodka, yeah. Just steady on. But I'm looking at this, and someone who's obviously been around early recovery

and watched people defend alcohol with their life. It's not the alcohol, as my ex-husband is. It's not the alcohol. It's not the alcohol. I mean, you see all these excuses, but this is what the overnight oats lot are like. Really? Yeah, they defend overnight oats.

Honestly, God, you just dip into some bakery, like Instagram instagram and just say can i just suggest can i just suggest it might be toxic to your brain see what happens you will be hunted down by those guys you know who i got hunted down by i got hunted down and i didn't even know this existed there's a canola oil society of canada stop it swear to god google it i um and if you actually watch my show where the episode. Well, it wasn't that where the shit show began anyway in Canada, wasn't it? Yeah, okay. So first of all, you got the Canola Oil Society.

It was actually on Joe Rogan podcast. And he goes, there's two people I trusted, the Canola Oil Society of Canada and Canada. But those are Joe's words, not mine. But I did this whole thing on seed oils. And, you know, canola oil was called rapeseed. I didn't name it the rape seed it was rape seed before i came along it's a little bit of a okay you know you use the term to try to

denigrate you know denigrate the oil i'm like no it's no no it's actually what it's called it's actually called rape it's actually called that yeah i didn't think it was just a regular seed that you know had sex with another seed and i called a rape seed i didn't make that up right i mean it's really like the worst name in the world it's like yeah who made who but then they were like the rape seed is not and you know toxic to humans i said look i never said the rape seed or canola is toxic what i said was industrial processed canola oil industrial processed seed oils are toxic you can't take an oil and and and put it in a commercial press and then have it come out gummy and degum it with hexane, which is a neurotoxin.

And then heat it to 405 degrees and turn it rancid. And then deodorize it with sodium hydroxide, which is a neurotoxin, which is a carcinogen. And then bleach it and then put it on the shelf and tell me that's good for me. But they do. But they do. But they do. And they keep doing it. And actually, I, I'm friends with Dr. Kate Shanahan.

And she, her new book is great, Dark Calories. Dark Calories. And she has actually, I mean, because her first book, Deep Nutrition, was the one that opened my eyes to the whole rapeseed, sunflower oil, vegetable oil. And I didn't even think about the fact you can't squeeze actually any oil out of a vegetable, for the love of God. You know what I mean? I'm like, they even named it that.

Just process that for a second. Yeah, you're just like, that's snazzy marketing. I put a pepper in a press and no oil came out. How are they doing it? I mean, it's just subliminal marketing. I mean, these guys are the best in the business. They came from the tobacco industry straight over to UPF, you know, and then these guys know what they're doing to market, to time press people,

you know, and then you've got the american heart association with their backhanders i mean yeah and it's not even conspiracy it's just big business just follow the money yeah but it's not it's actually there you don't even have to do a big dig deep dive down a rabbit hole it's there who funds war and it's bold as brass it's there so when people defend it i'm like first of all why why is it because they're frightened? You know, I'm more than happy to say I was raised on margarine. My mom believed everyone that it was heart healthy. You know, we do things out of love for our kids. We got it wrong, man.

And you're right. I mean, the whole process is complete neurotoxin. I feel it now. And it's because I'm in tune with my brain. I feel it when I've had veg or because I flatline. I don't want to feel flatlined. Flatlined is frigging boring. It could be as simple as the salad dressing.

You know, you're going to get a commercial salad dressing and, you know, these Caesars and blue cheese. And I'm not, I have nothing against blue cheese or Caesars. It's just that when they're made with seed oils and you're like, well, I'm having a healthy salad. Then I put these seed oils on the salad. And then for some reason, I feel like shit after i have a regular salad and um but but i i like your message because it's very practical in my opinion i've seen you talk about um commercial farming um and the difference between commercial and sustainable farming and organic farming and the whole regenerative thing it's just completely like let's work with nature i'm not going to be

some eco warrior for the love of god you know i nature i'm not going to be some eco warrior for the love of god you know i mean i'm not one of those but i try and eat local i'm lucky i mean even in london you can get local meat we're not you know we don't live on another freaking planet right you know we are you know we do have people deliver now so you can do it and you know we and obviously you have a lot more grass-fed meat here than we do in the States. Yeah, well, you've experienced the glorious weather we have here. So virtually every day it pisses down with rain. Very schizophrenic. I mean, it really pisses down with rain.

Except you do get kind of whatever weather you want. You just sort of got to wait until it... At some point during the day, you're going to get the weather you want. Whether it's rain, cold, or sunshine, I got it all first day that I left. And you'll probably be inside when the sun's shining. That is an absolute truth, too.

It's so funny. You should look at my Instagram story because I am telling the absolute truth. It was freezing when we got off the plane it was raining in the afternoon and it was bright beautiful and sunny and it was almost four hours this is why i have anxiety about packing there's not a suitcase big enough for every every stupid i mean and the mad thing about why we're talking about weather the mad thing about england is you know when you get the weather forecast because we're so boring and bland and drizzly so in the summer we talk about it in fahrenheit it's 70 degrees fahrenheit save yourself get inside yeah and then

literally and then in winter we'll go it's minus one oh my god we'll go into it we'll go you will go into centigrade you know so we've got got the drama because it's just so like middle of the road, which brings me onto the grass. So the reason why it's okay to live in the UK apart from the endless drizzle is we've got a load of grass. You go, you go, you go 20 minutes outside of London, you know, and you have got fields of cows grazing. It gets urban quickly, right? Yeah. I mean mean you've gone on i mean i i literally on the school route i i there's a million sheep in the way you know there's loads and loads of cows so we are very lucky to have grass fed grass finished as standard i mean they started labeling it now i find that i find that um it's super accessible in all the supermarkets if it's

british it's just easier to keep them outside yeah and you know what's funny and we don't use antibiotics that's complete we don't really there's a law that was passed in the 70s so we don't have antibiotics you know only if they are ill we can't do preventative sure so as so we have great access to meat so a lot of the time particularly around europe so my collagen that i sell at will powders we get from Switzerland, where by law, you know, they have to be grass-fed. Amazing protein source. Yeah, exactly. They're at altitude. I mean, these cows are healthier than us guys.

You know, they're just hanging around in the Swiss Alps. And, you know, they have the most humane way of slaughtering the whole shebang and it's eating nose to tail. So we import from Switzerland because by law, you've got none of these nasty antibiotics, no growth hormone, no weird GMO feed, they're grass-fed. And so you don't have to start paying excess for organic because it's already done that, you know?

If I'm in the States, you've got to go organic, right? Yeah, you've got to ask. Even when I ask in restaurants here if the meat is grass-fed, they kind of look at you weird. What do you think it's fed? What else do they eat? I'm like, well, from where I'm from, you actually got to ask. You never know.

It could be eating soy. It could be eating, you know, tofu. And this is it. But you know, it will, because, you know, we left Europe and I can feel the pull of America coming in. And then we've got a trade deal. Great. And I'm like, oh, we're going to get the chicken, the weird chlorine chicken, this sort of stuff.

But I think it's a case of we've got to be able to read labels. And that's all I say to my followers. I'm like, if it's got rapeseed oil in or canola or, you know, sunflower oil in think it's a case of we've got to be able to read labels. And that's all I say to my followers. I'm like, if it's got rapeseed oil in or canola or sunflower oil in, it's probably going to kick off a low mood and then you're going to start eating sugar to boost yourself. Put it back. See how you feel after a week. You made a statement on one of your posts the other day

because I went down the rabbit hole of your Instagram. There's a lot of ranting on there. It's a bit of a banner. Yeah, there was some ranting on there and some your husband came out really good on, it was yeah it was some ranting on there and and some your husband came out really good on some he didn't come out so good on but you know i think probably middle of the road the punches you know he rolls with the punches i've got a cycle you know you know you can normally see where i am in my cycle as to how i describe the day yeah but um but you

said i went from counting calories to counting chemicals. Exactly. And I love that saying, because I think it has such a way of resonating with people that we should be counting chemicals before we count calories. Because you know, our food has become so ultra highly processed. I want to talk a little bit about, you know, what are just some because clearly, you're not coming from a medical background and years of practicing medicine. You're a mom. You've got four boys. You know, you've got a busy career. You're an entrepreneur.

I think this is inspiring to a lot of women, especially that are keeping a busy schedule, that are raising a family, and that are building a career, and that maybe are new to the biohacking space, right? Yeah. So what are some of your like guidelines and go-tos and sort of, you know, tips and tricks that you would give? So my first book, which like literally was a Sunday Times bestseller. And I think because I put my before and after picture on the back. So it's like I dropped about four stone. What's that in America, Matthew?

What's four stone in America? I knowica matthew what's when you guys i know i know anyway you'll figure it out but you'll figure it out do the math but but it's couldn't just be four pounds if she only lost four pounds it wouldn't be a big deal okay they'll figure it out so okay we've got we've got our team on it behind american i'll bring that soon but i mean i was big was big. Okay. I was big. I had fat knees. I couldn't even have my engagement ring on. I was bloated.

I was flatline. I was sluggish. And I was like uninspired. I had no confidence because I didn't have any ideas. I didn't have, do you know, I couldn't look to the future because I was too busy wallowing in in i did a lot of this you can't be walking through a room sighing you know anyway but i but what i wanted to get across on that before and after picture wasn't necessarily the weight loss it was the inflammation i was like a walking bruise you know i was so much heavier

but i was also holding this toxins and it was this chemical shit storm yeah i was consuming every day i didn't know anything about my methylation status you know i'm chucking multivitamins down my neck like a maniac because the doctor told me to he was telling me to cut down on my calorie intake and move more well i couldn't move more because i had no energy in my brain so that's a freaking non-starter and that was gaslighting but i was cutting down calories and of course i'm starving anyway and i'm in a massive white knuckling craving craving craving okay i'll have a sandwich soon it'll be whole grain which just kicks me off into another insulin peak and trough craving i didn't understand that i needed decent protein major major major fats for my brain like

mct and all of a sudden within 15 minutes the lights came on and I'm not this sort of person I can't like go off and like try something for three months and come back and check in are you joking three months yeah I just want to hold my focus I need something within the next like 30 minutes otherwise I'm moving on right and I'm gonna go or I'm gonna go back to old habits I'm gonna have sugar and'm going to do i needed something and that was like break in a case of emergency this is emergency and then all of a sudden i started i mean i i've been put on antidepressants i've been called bipolar i was just underfed i didn't have enough fuel in my brain to be a mom or be my best self and now i am and now i'm confident and now i can feel my

gut intuition when something's off because i trust myself i like what you're saying too you said i didn't have enough fuel in my brain you didn't say i didn't have enough calories no right you were taking in plenty of calories so so talk talk a little bit about the difference there like what was some of these shifts that you made from just feeding yourself well neutrifying so i was told that i couldn't i shouldn't have coffee. Because first of all, it gives you cellulite, which I didn't want because I was covered in that anyway. Does it? I didn't.

No, it doesn't, by the way. It doesn't. But that's what they say in all the magazines. They said, oh, don't have cellulite. Don't have coffee. It's toxic, you know? Damn right, Starbucks. One way to get women to stop drinking coffee

is tell them it contributes to cellulite. But it actually doesn't, you know? If you have a decent coffee, it's full of polyphenols. But of course you've got all these, I mean, we get some of our health advice from bloody cosmopolitan magazine, you know, and that's where you start when you're 16, reading this bullshit. And I know half like the editors and the writers now, and they're the most unhealthy people I've ever met in my entire life. So I'm taking it and they're just lifting it and copying and pasting it. And it's utter rubbish. so i got told because coffee gives you anxiety uh don't have it right so of course i didn't understand that if i combined that with maybe a little bit

of l-theanine a little bit of mct all of a sudden i've got this nootropic kicking off in my brain that i've never had access before since i put down a glass of wine. And that, for a little junkie like myself, is like, let's go. What else we got? And then, boom, I'm in. Because I'm like excited. I've got hope. And that's the molecule. And the feeling feels great, right?

Yeah, because you go, and you're not high. You're not out of control. You just, like your vestibular just suddenly goes, hello. I can take in information. Turn off the daytime TV. I'm going to go for a walk with my kid. I'm going to get daylight in my eyes. I'm going to do maybe 5,000 steps.

Look at how this is something that wasn't achievable 20 minutes before. I mean, and that's what I dig about biohacking because it's fast. Because I don't have the patience or the tolerance to wait for something to kick in. So what kinds of things have you woven into your daily life okay yeah let's roll it back to so my morning routine is i'll take the electrolytes and i'll have like the diuretics in it to flush out all the toxins i'll have a wee immediately i know that and then kettle goes on you say we immediately we and i've we straight to the loop it's out out of me we immediately tv goes on i noise. I love stimuli in the morning. Matthew's still in bed.

That's fine. Matthew is number three. No, Matthew is the dad. Oh, dad. So Matthew's still in bed. The kids are all still in bed. So he's number one. So he's like alpha.

So he's still in bed. The boys are still in bed. I put the TV on. I put the kettle on. And if it's decent weather, I'll step outside and i'll get a bit of british hair love that and i will just go okay and all of a sudden i will feel excited bit of gratitude because guess what i've had a great night's sleep because yeah i've got sunlight in my eyes at seven o'clock in the morning 6 37 o'clock i'm sometimes up at half five in summer because we've got yeah obviously

it's super light which can by the way can play havoc with your cortisol as you change to summertime. You guys go really early to really late. It was like 9.30 last night. Here's my third complaint about the weather here. 9.30 last night, bright-ass sunny outside. I know. Everyone's just still tracking on with the day. It's insane.

You're like, what's wrong with you people? Yeah. And I already have jet lag because, you you know i'm trailing it by five hours i need the darkness to help me go to sleep don't get that no you can't have that no you're gonna crack on here in the winter time it was 3 30 and it's pitch black it was pitch black thank you for saying either way in the uk that warrants alcohol because people will go oh it's summer let's enjoy let's drink outside alfresco. Otherwise, it's, oh, should we snuggle down and have a pint at three?

Either way, people are drinking alcohol. It's such a booze culture here. You know what I mean? Which is great when you're in active addiction. But you're like, everyone's mad. Yeah, I do notice. The pub sidewalk is actually full at 5.30 oh yeah like in the afternoon literally and don't even start because then and women everybody's like the the football's on at the moment so the

soccer's on you know okay mate that means all day is all nighters you're gonna see some party refugees on your trip around tomorrow you're gonna go for a walk tomorrow you're gonna go are you guys coming home or still out i can't figure out what's happening where you're going do you want me to call your mom so yeah there's a lot there's a lot of like refugees knocking around with that sort of like hangover it's a shame so i didn't mean to take the spotlight so let me see i get up in the morning have the electrolytes get a bit of daylight and all of a sudden boom i'm um i'm i'm biohacking for nothing i'm not even done anything yet you know what i mean if you can't afford electrolytes, just get some nice salt. Some salt, a little bit of lemon.

Get it in you. Get it down you. Try and filter your water. Do what you can, you know. But just, you know, start flushing out whatever you've been swilling around overnight. And then, you know, get the kettle on. And I will literally have my best-selling products are the collagen,

bovine collagen from switzerland tastes of nothing and like a keto cream yeah a keto creamer which is the usual grass-fed butter some mct powder a little bit of acacia fiber a tablespoon of that teaspoon of the collagen because i keep it under two grams i don't want to kick off any sort of like protein synthesis i want to keep like in a fat fasted state love that and i will just you know i've got those amino acids straight away hitting my mouth which is my gut and the amino acids tell my brain it's okay we don't have to you're satiated we're fine we've got the building blocks to repair whatever we need to repair the keto powder just helps me stay away

from anything foodie i don't want to eat i want if'm going to work, I do better in a fat fasted state. I don't do water fast. I don't do religious fast. I do fat fast. I'm a woman. I need fat to produce progesterone. I need it for the estrogen. I need it for the testosterone.

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To get your free 30-day trial of Rule Brekkkkas, head over to joinruralbrekkas.com. That's joinruralbrekkas.com right now. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So when you fast, you do fat fast. I love that. That actually makes a lot of sense. You know, ketosis is actually a very healthy state. Every human being entered this world in a state of ketosis. The colostrum, mother's milk, the first 48 hours is ketogenic. So everybody, whether they know it or not, can survive ketosis. We go in and out of ketosis on a regular basis. What's really interesting, I think, is the reduction of inflammation. It's one of the lowest inflammatory states you can be in the human body when you have beta-hydroxybutrate um and which is why it's great for anyone who's

with neurodiversity you know if you want to work and you struggle with focus get fat fasted i've never heard of fat fasted i might not air this podcast i might steal that and take it back to you speak to our lawyers in egypt please get it i like it that much i mean i love fat but it just makes so much sense for women right you know i mean guys do great on a water fast and heaven forbid if i got cancer i do a water fast right i do that straight away i just like 72 hours like as many times a week as i possibly could and i that's what i do if something if the shit hit the fan but i'm pretty much okay i'm i i feel great you know my markers are great obviously i i'm a bit of a

geek i like getting my bloods taken i like that i measure my ketones i you know i do all that geeky stuff but the reality is how do i feel right now i feel good i feel productive i feel safe yes you know i feel safe and that for me is the best feeling in the world so for me to feel safe i elevate my dopamine i've got a bit of satiety so. So the serotonin goes up, my body's safe. It's not hunting for anything. And then I crack on with the morning and I'll have three or four of those coffees and I don't get the jitters. But when I first started and introduced coffee into my life, first of all, I wasn't using an organic coffee and I use an organic instant one, but I mean, I should become a bit more of a coffee connoisseur but jesus christ i've got to get the kids out the door so before i start

ratting around with all these beans and everything just get me the coffee man yeah so yeah i mean and and i don't i don't get the jitters from the mold at all but if i was to say have a high school from the mold it is so it gives you jitters and you feel anxious you're like this is not what i need right now the last thing i need is anxiety on top of everything else i've got you know because yeah um so if i do have high street coffee i'll always take some l-theanine i'll always take some l-theanine just to bring that anxiety down whatever's ramping up my cortisol it'll just dampen down that the ebbs you know and then you don't crash and you feel no and then i mean let me see and then we'll go to 11 o'clock.

Oh, no, I'll go for a run then. Get the kids to school and then I will go for a run and I will listen to house music. And there's something about that happy house in the 90s that I used to go partying with. I get the euphoria back, euphoric recall. I get goosebumps. And I say that to everyone who first starts running. I say, get a playlist of three songs that you like so it might be the soundtrack to dirty dancing whatever rocks your boat yeah right and you get those three songs

and what you do is you walk for the verse and you jog for the chorus that's three songs that's about 15 minutes and then go home and watch what happens after a week you will suddenly be running for the whole song really Really? Yeah. Your body would just go, you get addicted to the dopamine. Right. And the dopamine plus music, daylight, keep the sunglasses off, don't look like Terminator running around a park with this. You know, the sun is not going to kill you.

Morning light in your eyes will increase dopamine. Caffeine in your system opens the dopamine receptors so you feel it more. Yes. You know, if you get the jitters have some l-theanine it increases your creativity and focus in a cool calm way you're not going to get anxious so that for me would be my morning stack love that and then i get to the and then i get home and then i will have something with mct oiling and i will boost my ketones because

i'm going to head into the office and go into battle right you know what i mean and i've really got to think so that's when i'll introduce uh mct or c8 eight carbon atoms i'll whiz it up in some coffee or even in some bone broth tastes super creamy bit of salt neck it back and then i'll go into the office and we and when you make it in the bone broth you make the bone broth makes it really really creamy is it salty yeah yeah yeah so i'm saying but actually what we did do because obviously like in the states we've got a huge sweet addiction anyone who was born in the 60s and 70s went through the 80s and 90s literally raised on like sugar yes so we developed um a bone broth which is grass-fed bone broth from scandinavia again same fantastic grass huge fan And what we did was we flavored it with

stevia. We put some like keto powder in, so some grass fed butter, some MCT powder, and we made like this milk chocolate protein. Wow. And it's, I mean, it's a massive seller. And then we did a vanilla one. And the amount of moms that say to me, can my kids have it? I'm like, fucking hell. This is like chicken soup soup like grandma used to make or great grandma used to make and we're scared of it for our kids isn't it crazy okay with like a crazy takeaway a dominoes or what our doritos and you don't think and i'm like oh my god we are so frightened of like the word protein for our children so my kids in the morning they have bacon and eggs and they

have a protein shake and they go to school. I have no power over the school. I know they say, we've got a salad bar. I'm like, come on, what 11 year old is going to go to a salad bar when he's got French fries? Are you kidding me? And a burger. So there's nothing I can do in the school right now, unless I really take them on. But do you know what? I'm just not that sort of ninja mom. I've got enough, you know, my kids literally go that sort of ninja mom i've got enough you know my kids literally go to school like in a ketogenic protein fueled state and of course we all know protein will convert into sugar so they're not going to be like desperate you know their body will is clever yeah it will make glucose yeah of whatever it's got but that's how my kids go to

school now their behavior i don't know i think that's beyond my control as well what's their behavior like because you know we we in the states yeah a lot of our food is fortified or enriched we spray it with the chemical folic acid yeah and then a lot of kids have this mth here in the bread yeah really they're trying to put folic acid in the bread as standard yeah oh wow that would be a disaster for me about it yeah you know it a lot of european countries you know russian uh italians like they get a lot of these things right like the italians just been lab-grown meats you know uh russia doesn't allow it's actually a felony to grow gmo foods yeah i'm in russia yes um you know here you guys have good good sustainable farming practices i

think you know different different parts of the world do a better job at different things related to food service. I mean, I think the Italians are so stubborn. They're just like, no. They're like, lab-grown meat, nope. No, absolutely not. And it's like the French with the butter, you know, as if they're going to go to margarine. And they have, like, better heart conditions than basically anyone. You know what I mean?

You look at the blues zones, you're like, wait, they're eating high amounts of dairy and they drink lots of wine and they eat high amounts of fatty butter and you know what but you know have you seen the studies with the blues and they always like forget about talking about the meat they never leave the meat in these guys it's plant-based when were you last in italy and you've never had the chartucherie board are you freaking kidding me not the chartucherie board but like in singapore it's like highest meat consumption in the world yeah exactly and i mean that's another thing we need to dig into about the whole carnivore movement i went carnivore for january and you know what when i came off it i came off it with like i always do everything over the top and i just went right okay first of february i'm gonna have pizza gonna have chips i'm gonna go to my god the hangover

oh no i got in touch with a he he's a carnivore over in Australia, Dr. Anthony Chafee. And he actually uses my video to show his clients how not to come off the carnivore. He said, look what's going to happen to you. You're going to be a loser like her. I was like, my face is all like this. I'm in a foul mood.

I'm kicking off. Yeah. I mean, my liver just went, oh, it was probably my gut actually. So when you did carnivore, did you do just meat, fish, chicken? Yeah. I mean, my liver just went, oh, it was probably my gut actually. So when you did carnivore, did you do just meat, fish, chicken? Eggs. So we started off with eggs in the morning. I think we had, yeah.

Eggs, a little bit of cheese or something? Cheese, red meat mainly. And it was tough. Day three was really tough because Matthew and I both did it. And in fact, I went and stayed in a hotel on day three. I said, I'm not sitting with you because he was awful as well. But day four, boom.

I mean, that's all it is. Three days of like a little bit of gnarliness. But the uplift on day four was great. But do you know what? I really missed cucumber. I'm like, oh my God. I feel like that could be fit into the carnivore diet. I mean, I think so.

I was trying to do it. But now, yeah, I think it's absolutely fine too because I don't have any autoimmune conditions. If I had an autoimmune condition, I would go carnivore because that guy who I mentioned, Anthony Chabee, he has got a clinic. He said he is like literally reversing everything with autoimmune. It's the ultimate elimination diet.

And it's not necessarily for life. It's until you can like dip in and see what else might work. I totally agree with that. Your lineage, you'll have a huge profound effect on what your body wants and what it was evolved and what it thrived and survived on over the past thousand years. You get all the essential amino acids. It's just not exciting.

And I like to be excited. Yeah. It's not that exciting, but you can wander around in it a little bit. A lot of people think that carnivore is just steak, but you can have fish, you can have chicken, you can have poultry. Yeah, we had fish, we had oysters and stuff. Even the carnivore MD is a good friend of mine, and he even likes Paul Saladino. Yeah, he does honey now, doesn't he, and things like that. He does maple syrup, organic maple syrup, honey, orange juice, and berries.

I mean, to be honest, that is just like an ancient diet, really, isn't it? It's like a hunter-gatherer diet, really. It's not really carnivore. But I think there's a real place for the carnivore diet if you're suffering from fibromyalgia or something like that. I mean, give it a go. I mean, what have you got to lose? You know what's crazy?

People are more willing to take methotrexate and steroids, NSAIDs, these non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, than they are to just switch up their diet and see if that works. I used to be that person. I'm like, give me a pill, give me a pill, give me a pill. I want a quick fix. But what I didn't realize is the profound effect it had on my mood. And now I will protect my mood over frigging

anything. Same here. Because I know that if my liver's clogged up, that affects my mood. It's just like a hangover. And I, you know, I've worked so hard not to drink pine for 15 years. The last thing I need is the hangover when I'm not even at the joy of being smashed out my head running around London, like a lunatic, you know, like, come on on the last thing I need is a hangover when someone's profiteering off me and to be honest so many meds just they just you need more and more you get a tolerance don't you so it's more of a flatline effect I don't want to feel flatline I want to be able to sleep when I want to I want to be able to rev it up when I want to I want to enjoy my kids and I want to feel safe and And those meds for me did none of that.

They took all the gift of life away. And that's a problem. They create a dependency. You know, I like to say a lot of these medications, they'll either create a dependency or reliance or what they call tachyphylaxis, which is a desensitization response. And very often you're just borrowing from your future, right?

And, you know, philosophically, I don't like to do anything that's going to just borrow from my future right and uh you know philosophically i don't like to do anything that's going to just borrow from my future right short-term gain today for long-term consequence tomorrow i mean that that play with my head anyway because we all we all know now it's okay when you don't know what you don't know so back in the day when i was put in antidepressants and bipolar and they said i was that i wasn't i was just a bloody alcoholic you know what i mean i'm just an alcoholic garden variety alcoholic that's it garden variety i mean i didn't need all those pills there's no way that's going to touch alcoholism they don't understand alcoholism no doctor understands alcoholism the only other person who understands alcoholism is another

alcoholic and they will tell you how to get sober but i mean we could do a whole podcast on that right but the trouble is you know we we get so conditioned to believe all these meds are going to help us. And it's, it's now I know, I don't think I could take another one, really, because I know the consequences. But back then, you just do what you can to survive. And, you know, I have no judgment for anyone who's on medication, because, you know, that's where you're up to right now. You've not got to this place if i felt really bad and ill or something i i would i probably would lean into medication but i don't because i've been there and i've done that and it didn't work and this is the result so it is everyone's got their own little journey yes and you know we have to

just respect that for people i agree with that easy does it easy does it all the time exactly not too much too too fast but as you transition now to this is a part of your life what what would you say are some of the major must-haves and some of the um and must-dos and some what are some of the absolute no-fly zones oh well i mean no-fly zone for me is like that that mashity that green tea that like exploded back in 2015. And we should talk about that for a quick second. Yeah, can we actually? People with that gene mutation, COMPT, catechol-O-methyltransferase, COMPT,

which is a very common gene mutation. How many, what's the percentage of the population do you think has that? 44%. Shit. Roughly 44%. I bet it's more, you know. It's got to be more. Well, that's the COMT.

Even more have the MTHFR. the affectionately the mother for her gene. And it really is a mother for her. It can be, yeah. So this COMT, you know, what's interesting is if you look at the Dutch test, which is a female hormone test. Nothing to do with Holland. Nothing to do with Dutch. No, it's nothing to do with the Dutch.

Actually, I wonder how it was named. It's the dry urine testing hormone something. Dutch. I'll figure it out. It's something to do with dry urine anyway. Nothing to do with Holland. Nothing to do with dry urine. Nothing to do with the Netherlands. Nothing to do with the Netherlands.

So in the Dutch test, which is amazing because so many functional medicine practitioners are big fans of the Dutch test. And so many OBGYNs are rightly fans of the Dutch test, which is amazing because so many functional medicine practitioners are big fans of the Dutch test. And so many OBGYNs are rightly fans of the Dutch test. But in there, it shows COMT. It actually has a sphere for COMT because COMT, this catechol-O-methyltransferase sends estrogen down one of its elimination pathways called the E2 pathway.

My whole point in saying that is that this gene mutation can not only lead to estrogen imbalances, but it also leads to high levels of catecholamine, which is anxiety. Catecholamines are fight or flight neurotransmitters. So anything that excites catecholamines, right? Like somebody jumping out of a bush with a knife, that's going to dump catecholamines into your brain. You're going to have a fight or flight response.

So anything that excites catecholamines is going to put you into a frightened or heightened paranoid type of state. And so if I could magically inject you with catecholamines, you would begin to feel fear without the presence of a fear. And so anything that raises these creates a fear-like state without the presence of a fear. So if I just take that down the road a little bit, I think that, you know, people that have this gene mutation when they ingest quercetin, which is in green tea and high amounts, it puts them into this state. So if you have that gene mutation and you want to ensure that you don't sleep,

drink green tea. That's exactly what I did a few weeks ago in Spain. I mean, I'm a big fan of kombucha, right? Yes. Huge fan of kombucha. Now, normally I don't get a reaction to it, but they must have used a really strong green tea. So I like drinking it like I do.

And I drink it like water, you know? Makes you know you're paranoid, by the way. Insane. Yes. I was crawling the walls drink it like water, you know? Next thing you know, you're paranoid, by the way. Insane. Yes. I was crawling the walls. Yes. And I'm like, what the hell is that? And I'm like, Jesus Christ, it's a green tea.

And straight away, I thought of you. It's just like paranoid. But do you know what? It's a psychosis. It leans into psychosis. Because obviously, I've had psychosis with alcohol. It's the same feeling. Yes.

And I'm like, here we go again. I'm having psychosis. And I've not even had the alcohol. It's the same feeling. Yes. And I'm like, here we go again. I'm having psychosis and I've not even had the joy of going to the pub. So this is not fair again. But I mean, the trouble is, you know, a lot of people don't know that and they think it's them. It's not.

And it needs to be out there. This sort of like green tea. Yes. It's like pushed everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. Panacea. So it's Quirky Tin. Elderberry. Yeah, Elderberry as well.

And it's like some people are gonna have a literal breakdown with this and they don't know why and they think it's eminent and you know what sometimes it can last up to 48 hours so what i did when i was in spain i rang up the doctor and i said okay just give me a high dose magnesium iv yes and it yes it will power that back down powered it back down you know and he's a really great guy i do i do a lot of sort of like work over there i'm writing a new book actually called future proof and i've interviewed one of the doctors down there because they have a bit more leeway in spain than we do here in the uk you know we have like a very very strict guidelines here in the uk

much more so than the us and so it's a bit hard to get that message out so i generally have to go to a doctor overseas to talk about these things and talk about how you could have an iv magnesium iv if you're having a panic attack you know whereas you know a lot of doctors here will just shut you down it was strange actually i was on isn't that amazing it's just a light metal um that can actually down regulate the catecholamines which is the reason why you're having a panic attack um there's a There's a supplement. They were actually at the event that I spoke at today called Magnesium Breakthrough. I have no

affiliation with them. They're called BioHarvest. It's the seven forms of magnesium. And I recommend that not only for people that have a hard time sleeping or have a hard time with their bowels, but also for people that have to keep it around for these types of states where you've had too much quercetin too much elderberry and you start to have that manic kind of episode or you just go into the airport with four kids and you're late which is what i seem to do all the time which would be nice to have in the old artillery yeah you know a little magnesium yeah just a little magnesium a little bit of l-theanine and i'll saunter through the gate yeah because this is the sort of this is the crazy thing so when you go to rehab or something and you're coming off alcohol or you're coming off

whatever they'll put you on diazepam and i'm like mate are you kidding me yeah i'm an addict why are you giving me this this is even harder to get off right maniac you know stop it yes stop it let's start you know putting some decent infusions in people and giving them a break. Because I said it in a post the other day, I'm like, we are looking at an absolute epidemic of dopamine dysregulation with our teens. I totally agree. Social media is massively. The weird shit we've got in our food, it is all dopamine driven, right? I mean, like everything. So you watch, it's coming and we need to open up facilities where people can do what i did but fast track it you don't want to take like 15 years to figure this out right you know we need to be able to just i understand the addict main brain no doctor

understands the addict brain and i and i now have the knowledge from people like you who do this research and put it into the main into the mainstream and we can actually begin to get some studies on people because we have these great followings, people will go, yeah, I'll be in that study. Let's change the frigging nice guidelines. Let's change the FDA. Let's actually say, actually, I'm not listening to these studies. First of all, it's not on women, number one. And secondly, it's irrelevant because it was 30 40 50 years ago why are we still benchmarking from data that's completely old i agree we have a different environment we are different human beings to our grandparents like mega they wouldn't recognize anything you know

we just before the podcast uh started i don't think we talked about this on the podcast but right before it started we were talking about autism and the incidence of autism and i said you know i didn't know a single autistic child growing up. I still, when I think back through grade school, through high school, I mean, all the way through college, I don't know a single autistic, but I also have a 16 year old daughter. She knows five kids just in her high school class with autism. And that, and autism has gone from one in 5,000 to one in 32. Want to get an extra hour in 5,000 to one in 32. Want to get an extra hour of quality good sleep every single night? Let me tell you how I do it.

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who was virtually nonverbal, wasn't he? Can you explain the protocol you did? Because this sort of thing will give people hope and put power back into the hands of the mothers and the fathers, which is where it should be. Yes, and I'll preface this by saying I'm not a physician, so I'm not licensed to practice medicine. I'm a human biologist. I have a number of physicians that work for me in 10X Health, which is a wellness franchise in the US that I'm a partner in. But there's something called amniotic stem cell injections. They're

intramuscular stem cell injections. Remember that autism is a neuroinflammatory condition. I'm not trying to oversimplify it, but for the purposes of the podcast, it's a neuroinflammatory condition. It is very often the degree of neural inflammation is related to the degree of symptom severity, right? So the greater the amount of uncontrolled inflammatory response, the more negative the impact is on the outcome. So autism goes from being slightly autistic to completely nonverbal, to socially awkward to completely nonverbal. And that distance across the spectrum, at least, is linked to this inflammatory condition. So what do we do to reduce inflammation in the brain? What we have done is we use red light therapy.

We use something called methylene blue. We need to use hydros. Would you methylene blue intravenously or like a trochee? Either orally or intravenously. Can you take it as a tablet or do you have to, because I'm thinking of the transcriptions where I looked like I just. I mean, you know. Can you take it as a tablet or do you have to? Because I'm thinking of the transcriptions where I looked like I'd just swallowed a biro.

Yeah, you can take it as a capsule. And I'm like, what the hell? I look ridiculous. Yeah, I mean, it's a food dye. Yeah, okay. Or a fabric dye, actually. Why does methylene blue work? I mean, it's pretty hot right now, isn't it?

I know they had it at the conference. I've had it intravenously. It didn't do much for me, just to tell you that. Yes, you also have to be careful. You have an AHCY break. If you have the have the gene mutation ahcy you want to avoid methylene blue interesting but most people can tolerate methylene blue and what it does is without getting overly nerdy on you it changes um inside of the red blood cell it changes the state of iron from the ferric state to the ferrous state okay when you change from ferric to ferrous state

what happens is you increase the binding affinity of oxygen and why is that important because if i can get more oxygen into the red blood cell to the hemoglobin i can get more oxygen into the mitochondria if i get more oxygen into the mitochondria it creates more atp which we perceive as energy yeah and so anything that um that gets into the mind that helps oxygen get into the mitochondria which is why methylene blue is enhanced by red light right so of course so you can take methylene blue and do photobiomodulation red light therapy and you'll have a dramatic response so um the conferences at least in the states that i've been to you know most of them use um 10 milligrams in the morning and 10 milligrams in the evening as a guideline.

There's a great book called The Ultimate Guide to Methylene Blue, which you can download on Amazon. You can get it on audiobook. I didn't write it. It's a phenomenal book. If you read that book or listen to that book on audio, you will be a huge fan of Methylene Blue. Okay, I will do that. But anyway, so essentially what you're doing is you're putting this former fabric dye into the bloodstream, which sounds crazy, but it's very safe. And what it's doing is it's increasing the binding affinity of oxygen by

changing the state of iron. And what that does draws oxygen in and out. Your cell can eliminate waste, repair, detoxify, regenerate at a much healthier rate. And so when you're trying to rebuild mitochondria, you really need to rebuild it by having it better utilize oxygen. We have a very, very interesting case with a girl who was high school age. She was an Olympic qualified swimmer. She was getting D1 scholarships all over the place. She developed something called Red S,

which is when professional athletes develop an eating disorder. And they can push their body far into the state where they're muscle wasting and everything else without really knowing it. It's like the's like um the difference between a professional triathlete bonking in a race and an amateur triathlete an amateur triathlete will bonk much earlier yeah usually not being in a life-threatening state they're just like you know what fuck this yeah i'm not running i'm off i'm off to burger king enough yeah but the pro

athletes like i know that i can't feel my legs and i'm blind in one eye and i've lost all my hearing and i'm seeing squirrels run across the road but i'm gonna be i'm gonna push through this right when they hit the wall it's a disaster right um and i used to see this and i was an amateur triathlete but like the pros if they would bonk would be an absolute disaster they would be having life-threatening. So in any case, this particular young girl developed a seeding condition and red S is where you get amenorrheic period shuts down. They balloon.

They gain massive amounts of weight, 40, 50, 60 pounds in a month. Their mood crashes. They get deep into depression. What was really happening was her mitochondria was insufficient we brought her back with methylene blue so i i'm just bringing this methylene blue um the story full circle but um in this autistic case uh you know our clinical team used amniotic stem cell injection amniotic how often was that how often was the amniotic three one month apart okay and

um it's like a three month protocol yeah three one month apart and then um uh methylene blue red light therapy something called resveratrol yeah which was really good for the vascular laxity we did a lot for circulation and for neural inflammation and the changes have that i've seen with my own eyes, dramatic. Is he talking? Oh, he is fully verbal. This particular young man, which we started when he was 16, is fully verbal. He's playing semi-professional soccer. He's working on a master's.

He's dating and he's no longer agoraphobic. And at the time he was agoraphobic, meaning he had a fear of leaving the house. Yeah, he stayed locked in. Yeah, yeah. Well, you would do if you felt, or if you had no energy, of course, the hormone implications, you are going to be in a state of fight or flight.

What an amazing thing to be able to restart the body's own metabolism. And I think that's where you're really powerful because you dig into the detail and you go there. But it's kind of like, for me, I think the whole situation with, oh, we've got peer-reviewed study, double-blind, placebo, blah, blah, blah.

I'm like, we have to wait 20 years, it's literally it's 17 years from bench to bedside is 17 years and i don't know about you i cannot wait 17 freaking minutes never mind 17 years by the way by the time this study has been published right that data is already archaic well exactly because you're basing it on human beings that are no longer like that. Because imagine just tech. There's a thing called Moore's law, which I find interesting. So M-O-R-E-S, Moore's law, and whereby since the 60s, technology has doubled in speed and halved in size every two years. And that just shows where tech goes. And it's like a linear graph, you know? And that's Moore's law. So imagine how humans change with that amount of technology implicated, how we don't walk, how we don't get daylight. We are not the same human beings from 20 years ago, according to Moore's law, because

hey, we even have microwaves. You know what I mean? It's completely freaking different. But I mean, but the tech there that you could look at it on the worst side, but the tech that you implement, you know, the infrared saunas, the red lights, photobiomodulation even the IVs you know there is something so fantastic about technology that we can harness for our benefit we can have literally all our creature comforts and we can have an ancient primal life so our body's happy and it gets stressed in the right way but it still feels safe and you can burn fat and you can still multitask and you can die at a ripe old age of 150 if you want to. You can bail out much earlier.

If you're alive five years from today, you'll easily live to 120. I was talking to a guy called Aubrey de Grey, who is bonkers, right? I mean, bonkers English eccentric scientist. And he said, the person who's going to live to a thousand is already alive. I agree with that.

Who is that? I want to know is already alive. I agree with that. Who is that? I want to know who that is. I don't know. But, you know, what's going to happen in the next five years is you're going to see three centuries of medical advancement in the next half a decade. Because we have the convergence of artificial intelligence, big data, and early detection. And, you know, we can now process and assimilate 700 trillion potential outcomes, let's say from your DNA and we can make an actionable step out of that.

And I don't want to flip this podcast from your podcast to my podcast. No, I don't know. I mean, I actually said before and I knew I'd end up interviewing you, by the way. So if you could just send me everything over, I'll edit it and I'll upload it. Then you'll just run it on your podcast.

Yeah, exactly. No, it's fine. But it's fascinating. You've got so much hope. Your message is so optimistic as opposed to, ooh, you know, everything in moderation or your genes are your destiny and all this shit. It's not. That we hear.

It's not, is it? You know what's amazing? Humanity is so, we are about to thrive in ways we never thought possible because, you know, gone, in my opinion, is the old paradigm, the days when we used to study things in isolation, right? When we take a cell out of a human body, we put it in a petri dish, study it in a lab, and we'd say, that cell is going to behave the same way it does in this petri dish, in this lab, in vitro, when we put it back into the human body. And nothing could be further from the truth, right? Human beings don't behave in isolation. We behave in communities.

Cells don't behave in isolation. They behave in communities. And I think some of the worst research we've ever done is when we study things in isolation we say okay ldl cholesterol up cardiovascular disease up let's push ldl cholesterol down cardiovascular disease goes down but then we then we realized 10 years later that oh yeah when we pushed ldl cholesterol down we interrupted cell walls cell membranes hormones vitamin d3 and we had all these downstream consequences yeah you might have low LDL, but you're depressed. You can't move. You're foul to everyone. And actually nobody wants you around anyway.

Yeah, exactly. We were on the serotonin hypothesis of depression for 15 years, and then we're like, uh-oh, increased rates of suicide, increased rates of crushing depression, you know, sustained irreversible tachyphylaxis, receptor desensitization. And so then things swing full circle, but that is going to become less and less likely because the big data is going to stop it, right?

Like instead of taking five people and sticking them in a sleep study at University of Miami, putting electrodes on their head with a two-way mirror and some freaky dude looking at you in a room with a cot. Here's a questionable freaky dude, by the way. And saying that's a sleep study. Yeah, Miami, putting electrodes on their head with a two-way mirror and some freaky dude looking at you. Here's a questionable freaky dude, by the way.

Yeah, do you know what I mean? We're going to take a million people that have whoops. Yeah. And we're going to say, okay, we got a baseline on a million people right now in real time, in their own homes, in their own environments. And they're going to opt into a study and we're going to do like these five things. We're going to darken the room.

We're going to decrease the temperature. We're going to have them take a contrast shower're going to do these five things. We're going to darken the room. We're going to decrease the temperature. We're going to have them take a contrast shower, do breathwork technique, unplug the electronics six feet from the house. The usual stuff, yeah. Boom, big jump in sleep score. That's valid data. And big data is going to circumvent the system in my, that you're going to see the chemical industry lose its grip.

What does that mean for big pharma and how are they going to interrupt? It's a disaster. But I mean, I guess like they did see the chemical industry lose its grip. What does that mean for big pharma? And how are they going to interrupt? It's a disaster. But I mean, I guess like they did with the tobacco industry, they'll just jump ship and do something else. I mean, these guys, I mean, whoever they are, they're brilliant marketeers and they're brilliant at making money. And there's obviously, this will be something else they can do. Actually, I was just, I was talking to a PhD the other day,

who's asked me because I've got a really, I've got a really strong Facebook group. It's like a closed Facebook group and it's called for fat sake the for fat sake ffs you know because obviously all all our lot of go just for fuck's sake all the time well i mean it is but it's like the ex because my demographic that have follow me we're like it's 98 women aged between 35 and 65 and we're all spinning plates and we're all going, for fuck's sake, all the time when things go wrong. And I'm like,

just put some fat in your diet and that will decrease. The rage will decrease because your brain has the energy because I was talking to Mindy Peltz yesterday and she described it really well. She said, women,

after sort of 35, their brain doesn't respond to glucose. So enter brain fog, enter low mood. So of course, we start feeling like we're depressed. We're not, we just don't respond to glucose in the brain anymore. We just, it just, it's just, it's just overstimulated and it shuts down. So enter ketones. And that's why me like mid thirties, when I had first first first took the mct or my liver converted that to ketones it got in my bloodstream it hit my brain boom i'm on right i've turned on i feel like i'm 25 before that because i was drinking at 25 so i feel like i'm 17 right you know what i mean my brain suddenly

like went hello hello i've actually you know this is different so and that makes so much sense why particularly me my age group is because my brain was sick and tired of the glucose anyway. So I needed to switch to ketogenic. Now I'm not ketogenic all day, every day. I have like sourdough bread at night. Cause I like those carbs. They make me feel cozy. I get sleepy. I have a carb coma and I go to bed, happy days. So I have like when I'm, you know, I'm on it, I'm on it, I'm on it i'm on it i'm on it i'm ketogenic but then i look forward to my carbohydrates at night i have a roast dinner and everything i'll have that roast chicken with the veg and the yorkshire puddings and everything and you know i i've

cooked it i know it's been cooked in goose fat the potatoes are in goose fat you know and i've not got any bloody weird rape seed oil or anything like that and i'm using lard and i'm using beef dripping and i'm getting all those good fats but i'm also getting the carbohydrates and then i'm sleeping at the appropriate time of day yes you know and i and that for me is the best way to eat because i eat with the kids well just about if yeah if they will i mean are the kids are the kids following this or are they normally you kind of don't give them a choice well obviously breakfast is my choice and no one's really going to sit down and cook for me. You know, and Matthew, he's a really good cook.

We're big meat eaters, you know, and we do have meat, sort of two veg. Exactly what your great grandma used to have. We always have bone broth in. We always have the milkshakes in, the bone broth milkshakes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love bone broth. But hey, what can I do when they go to a party? I'm not going to be that mom who say, no, you can't have that. Because I don't want them to push back.

I don't want them to rebel. I want them to feel good for themselves. So one of my 10 year old the other day, the one who couldn't run a small country. I had a cold shower today, actually. I just turned it on cold. Feeling good. And off he went with his cricket back to school.

Yeah. So it's the osmosis, right? It's their choice. They hear me and Matt talking about it, or they'll hear me on a podcast about doing a cold shower at night or in the morning you know whatever time of day i feel like i want to do that and um my kids are all into it they all have cold plunges at their places power to them rather than no you can't have that they'll go now you know i'm all right makes me feel a bit yeah yeah you know i mean that is power.

Yeah. In your own body. My daughter moved into her own place recently. She's like that. I need a cold punch. Every time I talked to her, she was like, I need a cold punch.

She had one in her other place. Divina, this, this has been amazing. I have a feeling that first of all, I'm going to have you back and you're going to have me on. Cause this is, this is amazing.

I think the world needs this message. You know, I sort of wind down every podcast by asking my guests the same question. There's no right or wrong answer to this question, but what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? To be able to access joy when I want to, to access safety when I want to, to access creativity and to access love

whenever I want to. So it's on my terms. My choice. And also be a bit badass when I'm driving. That is amazing, Davinio. This is awesome. I know that we're going to have you back again. I really enjoyed you giving us your time today. Thank you for sharing your story with my audience. Thank you for everything you do. And as always, that's just science.