The Uneducated PT Podcast - #67 Ryan Eveleigh / Culture Wars

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

My favourite guest is back and we go into some polarising topics on Only fans, masculinity, sexlessness, dating dynamics, the west and much more!

Hello and welcome to the uneducated PT podcast with me, your host, Carlo Rourke. The goal of this podcast is to bring on interest and knowledgeable people from all walks of life, learn a little something from each conversation and for you, the listener, just learn something from each episode. So don't forget to subscribe to the channel, press the box below, show some support and I'll see you on the next episode. So we've done a couple of podcasts and we've gone through different kind of topics and aspects that have done a lot on self-development, a lot on mind.

mindset and stuff like that. And today I wanted to really kind of go in and get your thoughts on, you know, more like cultural politics and how that kind of falls into a lot of the work that we do in terms of health and relationships and interpersonal relationships and stuff like that. So the first topic that I wanted to go in, which it was like personal relationships, the traditional family unit, hookup culture and hyper independence, which is obviously something that, you know, I'm talking about a lot at the moment when it comes to kind of social health and the importance of relationships when you're chasing after goals and stuff like that and making sure that you have healthy relationships because that will feed into, you know, your happiness and your

health as well. But I wanted to go into the culture side of things and, and go into a little bit of only fans and how that dynamic is really actually impacting people's relationships. and you know that's that comes with all sorts of problems itself as well so did you actually just out of curiosity did you watch the lily phillips documentary where she had sex with a hundred guys in a day no i'd rather drag my balls of a broken glass now to be fair it was it was actually it was actually pretty good it's not what people expected it to be so there's there's two like big kind of only fans accounts that were we're going off a time there's one body blue who had sex with i think a thousand guys in a day i don't know how that's even possible and then Lily Phillips who had sex with 100 guys in a day. Now the Lily Phillips one was quite sad because it was essentially like just self-harm. You know, she was someone who didn't really, like you can tell like she's lonely. She was tired afterwards, wasn't fit.

What, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like she didn't, you can tell she doesn't have any of friends. Her mom's actually our manager, which, you know, what does that have to say about your mom? If your mom is basically like doing that to you. And it seems like everyone's kind of just. making money off her and stuff like that. But I actually wrote a blog on this and like there was this big narrative online like we, you know, the feminists online were like, you know, these hundred men who are going up to this

house, they're disgusting, they should be ashamed of themselves and they should be held responsible. And then on the other side you had the right who were kind of like, you know, Lily Phillips is the one, you know, making money off these men that she should be held accountable and so on and so far. So like there's this, there's this dynamic back and forth between like men and women. women and you know and I think like there's a huge divide at the moment between men and women and I think a lot of this kind of female empowerment and making money on only fans and then men you know not really dating at the moment and not getting into relationships and you know kind of the the in-cell kind of side of things I think this is creating this big dynamic between men and women do you think that you know there's this this female empowerment under the a female impairment we're kind of only fans and stuff like that

do you see that in men and women and modern day and being a big problem yeah massive and feminism was one of the most righteous of fights

back in the fucking day women suffrage suffrage yet one of the most righteous of fights and like most things when it comes to society the pendulum has to swing

the other fucking way too far right exactly So now it's gone way too far. And the problem with the rise of fucking only fans, now look, I can say I'm a contribution to the course, not because I subscribe to OnlyFans because I never have,

never will, but I know people who are an only fans, right? But I've spoken to them. Right. When I say I've spoken to them, I'm metaphorically trying to lobotomize them to understand what the fuck they're doing, right? But it creates a massive, massive divide

because what happens is there's this warped perception amongst people who are easily influenced, which is the majority of the populace. Most of you listening to this will hate to hear that, but it's true. Yeah. Okay. Right? There's mass psychology for a reason. And the problem that you now have is you have younger generations looking at these chicks who are earning millions and millions and millions off nothing, no pedigree, no nothing, but off their body and then idealizing that. Right. Now, what happens then, and there'll be a woman who disagree with me on this and I don't care.

I'm open to the discussion, sliding to the DMs. I dare you. Fucking day, right? But I'm genuinely, I'm open to discussion here. But with that being said, what you then get is you didn't get women who do these things. They then devalue what they are, right? woman is like superhuman, right? God created the world in six days. It takes nine months to create a human baby. Okay. Like that is one of the most amazing things ever. Now, I'm not sitting here saying,

look, everyone needs to have a baby, this, that, and the other thing. What I am saying is putting yourself out there like that and putting a dollar value on the most precious commodity that is you is ridiculous. It's priceless. And then, And by doing that and then throwing it out there, you devalue yourself. And then give it 10 years, 20 years, and then you're going to wonder why you're alone, surrounded by 100 cats and almost to fucking talk to you. Right. And then what you get on the other hand, and Joey Swoll was the best with this, right?

I think I mentioned it before where guys will go into a gym and every chick will just assume that they're being looked at. So there's an overt sense of self-entitlement that's just so occurring, right? Which is like, I'm so entitled to this, then, the other thing. And I was actually having a conversation the other day about this saying, I believe in one thing, one thing only. Not diversity, equity and inclusion. It's the dumbest shit ever. Okay.

It's the stupidest fucking thing ever, right? But I do believe an equal opportunity. Yeah. If you're a woman and I'm a man, we both have the same opportunity to become an engineer. That's what I believe. And let the chip fall where they may. You know what I mean? but there's a massive division occurring because what you're getting is men getting

demasculated because their relationship is with their screen or someone typing something that's not even that person on only fans right and they're starting to develop this innate kind of connection there and what they're actually lacking is genuine societal social connection. Well, this is why, so when I was, when I was, what I wrote on the blog basically, because, you know, I seen this huge argument between, you know, right wing kind of people and men, usually, and then these feminists. And they were about arguing with each other about who's wrong. And my point was that, you know, I actually feel sorry for both of them. I feel sorry for the men who engaged in this because the reason that they're on only fans and they're talking to these people is that,

they're lonely, they feel disconnected, they don't know how to interact with women and they probably don't have any purpose, they probably don't have a job. And so this is probably, this is all they essentially have. Because I think you and I don't know that you, if you have stuff going on in your life,

like the last thing you're going to be interested in is fucking paying for some random person on the internet. Well, I'm going to pay $5 to see. Yeah, like, like on any kind of self-respecting man isn't going to do that. So these people don't have self-worth. They don't have self-esteem. And then I also feel sorry for the Lily Phillips of the world as well. Maybe not to hurt to a degree, but all the other ones that are falling for is that, you know, they think that it's an empowerment, that, you know, I'm making money. So this is great and stuff like that. And not really understanding

the consequences of their actions down their line, whether it's, you know, self-farm or feeling like, you know, you have to do this to make a lot of money because you're told that. that, you know, this is feminist empowerment that, you know, you can make your own money and use men, essentially. But, you know, this isn't, it's probably means that you're probably going to live a lonely life. Yeah. And I'll be honest, like, this is the irony of the culture that you're in now, especially in the West, is your point out, Lily Phillips or who's that fucking chick, Bonnie Blue, right? Right? Your point those out and you'll say, okay, it's a fucking bad example. now you are a misogynist.

When you kind of go, you know what, actually I'm going to take a side here, right? And I'm not going to take the side of my gender. I'm going to take the side of what I think is fair and right. Yeah. Okay. But then as soon as you decide to take that side, the other side says you're now the enemy. Yeah. This is the whole problem in culture is you create a silo where it's like if you do not agree with me,

you are fucking the enemy. And it's like, how do you create a dialogue? How do you create a discussion? How do you create an actual? cathartic discussions so people can get to the bottom of this and understand what's actually going on, you can't because it just gets shut down straight away, you know? So, for example, he said, you like, I kind of feel bad for Lily Phillips. I don't feel bad for her at all, at all. Right now, I don't know anything about her past or childhood. If there's some trauma there, okay, tragic. And tragedy is the

correct word. Not pity, not sympathy, tragedy, right? Because tragedy is when a hero falls. Right. But if that's not the case, okay? And then she then goes and does this and perpetuates this. Well, then you know what? You lie in your bed the way you make it. And that's the part that woman who get in these kinds of situations don't like hear it. You know? And does that mean that you hate women? Hell, no. You cannot live without them. They are an imperative integral part of society. But then you have a look at what it does to the other gender. Now we're including both, right? So now this is the whole world, right? This is men and women.

And you look at what it's doing to men as well. Yeah. And then these will say, okay, it was a brilliant skit that I saw on Instagram where guy goes up to chicks in the street, right? And he goes, what's the like minimum, you know, for you to, for a man like for you? Do you know what I mean? Like, what's your standard? So, you know, I want him to be six to.

you know, he needs to be in shape, and he has to have six figures, right? Now, people are going to say, well, that's not me, Ryan, that's not me. The truth is guys and girls, it's actually the majority of the populace. That's the truth. It's the majority of the populace. And I'm not going to pull punches. I said that on my Instagram story today, right? But then the guy then does the same thing.

And he goes up to a girl. He says, okay, what are you? And she says the same. He's a various woman, right? They all say the same thing. And then he goes, okay, cool. Why don't you step on the scale? who do you think you are telling me to step on the scale?

And the guy goes, okay, I get it. But you say you want all these prerequisites for a man, but then the moment a man wants a prerequisite for you, all of a sudden, I'm embarrassing you or making you feel bad about yourself. Well, no. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a standard. But you create a polarization in society now, right? Where charisma, where, what's that word, chivalry?

charisma chivalry it's dead and the woman go oh shivery's dead you know men aren't men anymore chivalry's dead because you killed it

that's why it's dead right if you can go see some woman snatch for a five or online you really think you need to be that chivalrous now this is

and the reason why I said that I feel sorry for her and but there's no way that I could feel sorry for these kind of in-cell men who don't have a purpose like because if I say that I don't feel sorry for

you know that side well then like you know you're demonising the person who's the creator but then you're not putting any responsible for the people that are watching as well because it's perpetuated so it does go both ways but like you said that it's like

oh no you're on this side so therefore we demonize this side or you're on this side like you're you're for the feminist or therefore you demonize them in cell men or you're for the in cell men and therefore you have to demonise, you know, the creators. And it's, regardless of her, she's obviously making a lot of money, which, you know, this is an argument as well.

It's like, well, she's making a lot of money for what she's doing and so on and so forth. But I pulled up some OnlyFans statistics specifically for this podcast, just to go through with you. And it goes, as of 2023, OnlyFans has over 3 million content creators. Now, rough estimates suggest that 70 to 80% of content creators, you know, creators are women, meaning that's around 2.1 to 2.4 million female creators on the platform. And here's the good stuff. Top 1% of creators make 33% of all the money on the platform. So most of broke. Top 10% of the creators make 73% of the money. And the bottom 90%, 90% make only about 27% of

the revenue. The average only fans creator makes 180 pounds per month after OnlyFans takes a 20% cut so a 2022 report found that most OnlyFans accounts earn less than 150 per month and like you know

the only fans are sold as oh this is female empowerment this is going to you're going to make your own money and you're not going to need a man all this kind of stuff and yet like the bottom 80% make less than 500 per month which is less than

way, just less than just getting a traditional job. So I think that a lot of these women have been lied to. And like you said at the very start that, you know, most people are very vulnerable and they fall into these kind of patterns. Easily manipulated, right? And this is the thing. It's like, this is, like, if we kind of segue back to what I said, you're going to get young goals looking up to these goals.

They look at the 1% and say, oh, my God, look at her making all that money. And look at her being such a boss-ass bitch. it's like no you're actually not yeah you're actually not what you're actually doing is you're actually destroying your value and then people go well how can you say I'm destroying my value Ryan and I'll say well it's simple right if I went and I decided to go windmill my dick on the highway right do you think people are going to get sick of it eventually yeah do you think people are going to come to you for coaching right and the problem is it's going to be desensitized right So people are going to be desensitized to it, which then means it holds less value.

Right. So the whole premise, the whole rise of only fans has essentially contributed to the detriment of society as a whole. Now, you could, and anyone, if there's any lovely feminists listening to this podcast, I doubt it. I doubt they're going to be following me, but anyway. Right. But if they are, okay. If they are, right. if you believe in equality, how come most of the women are making most of the money?

I used to be a model. It was the same principle. When I was a model, I did a shoot. And the shoot, me and the girl were going the same clothes. The only difference was I was men's. She was women's. She got paid, triple the amount I got paid. Now, this is not, oh, what was me, Ryan?

Or boo-hoo, right? I actually asked, and I said, why is she getting paid so much more? And she said, she's female. Sells more. And I said, okay, well, fair enough. You know, that's why I say, look, equal opportunity is what you need. Not diversity, equity, and inclusion. Because as soon as you premise the whole idea of diversity, equity, and inclusion,

what you're essentially doing is pollaxing anyone good. Yeah. Anyone good at what they do. It's not about who's best for the job. Who will bring in the most income? Who's the most valuable? Who creates the best service? it's it's it's about oh we have we have to tick off boxes you know oh this person is this race so

therefore we have to give this person a job this person is this gender so we have to give this person the job and then you have a lot of incompetent people doing jobs that they shouldn't be put into and you see this in the NHS right in the NHS they have the DEI thing yeah right and I know this because I actually work with a lot of believe it or not who I was listening 70% of my clientele is woman that's because I actually tell it fucking straight right and I don't coach girls I coach women right and you see this in the NHS where extremely unqualified individuals from a culture where they may not necessarily hold their elders in as high esteem then go into care homes care wards etc and don't pay their due diligence in terms of

caring for these people right now that's not a go at a specific race ethnicity or whatever may be. It is the exact issue is the DEI side. Right. It's not about diversity equity, equity and inclusion. It's literally about who's best for the fucking job. Right. It's that simple. You know, and that's what actually matters. Well, it's like you said, it's like the pendulum always swings and it swings too far to the other side. And it's like, you know, people wanted to give these minorities chance and opportunities and stuff like that. And essentially what they did then is just, you know, basically created racism towards white people. Oh, you're a white male. You know, you're not going to get this job, even if you're the best person for this job. So like,

it's racism just the other way flipped around. And nobody likes to say that because how dare you say that a white man is subject to racism, which is exactly what it is. Well, in actuality, the first port of call is a white straight male. You're the first port of call to be public enemy number fucking one. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, okay, well, I'm white, but I was raised in South Africa. All my friends were pretty much black other than one, right? My brother can speak Zulu better than more, better than most Zulu people.

Right. And you can point at him and do the whole stereotypical thing and go, oh, well, he's the white side of Africa. You're privileged. Yeah. You know, he's privileged. He's from the, no, that's not actually the case, you know. So when it comes to this whole division and the rise of only fans, what's actually happening is the good woman out there.

And there's so many amazing fucking women. Like I work with some awesome chicks, like some real bosses. You know what I mean? You know, I'm a bonfath bitch. Like have you seen that real with a chick who's like, honey, I do music? And she's like, yeah, you're a musician. She's like, no, no, no, honey, music. And then the girl's like, yeah, you're a musician.

Oh, yeah, I have to do that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you see that. I have to say to chat. And it's like, this is what then happens. And what upsets me is you look to these role models, when you could look to role models, like feminine role models, that are actually awesome standing approaches of what good, amicable,

strong, independent woman actually look like. You know, I think I was talking to someone earlier today about it. I was like, you know, you could look at Cleopatra of Egypt. You could look at Budica of the Celts, you know, and I can't remember the name. Emily Something Hot was the name. And she was the first human, male or female, picture end up the equation, first human to actually fly around the whole entire globe. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yeah.

I've heard of her, actually. You know? but do you want to know the truth the majority of people haven't because it won't look up to that yeah well we're going to get into that as well but there's also this narrative of okay you know you have to

you have to you have to do them things to be of value and then they actually demonize the value of a woman just being you know and I say just because that's what they say like I don't tell us putting up inverted comments for anyone listening yeah like

oh you're oh you're just a mom you're just raising children and where like that should be yeah exactly but that should be that yeah that should be the highest value but that but that's the narrative that gets been that's like oh you're you're you're just a stay-at-home mom oh well i you know i'm a CEO of this company i was like like to me in my perception the the first one the latter like or the first one is is far more impressive than the latter i agree i think it's a important role. But it's not, it's not sold as that true society.

No, it's, it's been, how do I explain it? The best thing to explain it is this, right? It's being taken and warped and twisted into something that is malicious,

which is, you're a stay-at-home mom. It's like, hold the fucking phone. Do you know what it takes to be your mother? I've worked with a lot of moms and they usually are the best performing clients, bro.

Do you want to know why? Because D-Day is every day for them, right? And they have such a hectic job, you know, of being an actual mother. It's the most selfless task what one could ever occur in their life. Now, if someone didn't want kids, that's so okay. Right?

But then to demonize the person who is the stay-at-home mom, you know, who's actually, you know, doing a really fucking awesome job of, you know, being a mother, you know, being the, a woman, I always say this, a home is a home until you have a woman, then it becomes, no, a house is a home until you have a woman and then it becomes a home. Yeah. Yeah. Men can't make a home.

Only a woman can do that. Yeah. And then to pull that away from them and then to say, oh, no, you know, that's bad. It's like, what? And I don't think it's a, I don't think it's a conscious thing either. I think it is just a byproduct of the feminine movement where it's like, oh yes, we want to give women the empowerment to be able to work and to be able to make living

and be able to do whatever they want. But again, then the pendulum swang too much to the other way where it's like, oh wait, we actually forgot that, you know, traditional family unit and having someone, you know, looking after the kids and looking after the home, that's one of the most important jobs that you can do not just for your family

but for your community and for society without a doubt without a doubt is one of the most important jobs but the sad reality is you're gonna with women in like the only fans industry for example or the porn industry whatever it may be

they don't even realize because you've got to think a few steps ahead here you don't even realize that you're sewing your own poison. Yeah. Because you're creating and you are perpetuating men to become, you know, like incels, you know, to become these introverts and kind of like weirdos.

Yeah. And then when I'm asking where are all the better. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, and this ties back into the kind of the individualism that, the hyper individualism that I see so much online. And I called it out at one point and I got. absolutely abused for it. It was on someone put up something like, and I see this all the time,

it's like, oh, imagine, like someone takes a picture of them, you know, in a helicopter or on a beach or doing something cool on holidays or whatever it is and says, oh, imagine I couldn't do this if I had kids. And like, for me, that's just projection. It's like, okay, you weren't able to have kids for whatever reason or you never found the right partner or whatever it is. And like, you know, I could do that. I could decide that, oh, I'm going to travel all over the world. I don't have kids. And do you know what I mean? I can talk about how great it is that, you know, I'm a single man and I have my own money and I can, you know, do whatever I want. But I know that's just a, that's just a lie. That's just projection. And I see it all the time is that like people online are just like, they're almost, I think they're lying to themselves to a degree as well to accept the, the reality of their lives that, you know, um, um, I'm. I'm going to glorify this type of a life over a traditional family unit because this is the life that has presented to me, which is quite normal now in society and it's more and more. And I was going to go through some studies with you on this as well. So I was like a 2003 general social survey found that one in three men under 30 reported having no sex in the past year.

That's one in three men under 30. That's insane. At 2021, Harvard study found that 36% of Americans, including 61% of young adults, reported feeling serious loneliness. So even though we're all talking about this hyper-individualism, more people are feeling lonelier, more people are depressed, less people are having sex, less people are getting into relationships. Marriage rates have dropped significantly with only 50% of US adults married in 2002,

compared to 72% in 1960. So the marriage rates dropped right down. The amount of people getting the relationships has dropped right down. The amount of people having sex has dropped right down. The amount of people who are lonely is massively increasing. And then a 2022 study found that young people feel burnt out from dating apps with 60% saying that they are emotionally exhausted from online dating.

Do I want me to go down a rabbit hole here? Yeah. Okay. So do you see only fans in the Middle East? No. Okay. Why? Because it is not part of their religion and culture and, you know, there would be consequences to that, I would imagine.

It would be consequences, right? Now we go to look at the West. There's a massive sciop, which stands for psychological operation, going on in the West. and it is designed to literally break society into pieces to allow what people now call wokeness, which is actually just by definition, neo-Marxism, okay, to then invade into the West because you couldn't get into the West with Russia, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, right? The West just blocked it. Europe was like, no dice, World War II, fuck off. It's not happening. You know, coal war, not happening. Sorry, you're not going to.

going to make this place communist, whatever it may be. Now what you're getting is the world breaking into two spheres, right? On one sphere, you got Russia, China, India, South Africa, Brazil, a few other countries called bricks. And on the other side, you know, I think it's, I think it's NATO or something like that if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong. So whoever's there, correct me, please. And what's happened is, is now there's an actual equal balance of power. And that's never happened before society. And now what you're actually starting to see is a lot of men, military age males, for example, are feeding into the statistic you just said, feeling lonely, feeling this, that the other which then leads to what? Increased suicide rates or increased drug use. And then who is the people

that are supplying the fentanyl? Well, you've got Chinese chemists coming over to Mexico, teaching the cartels how to do it and then distributed into America. Right? So people got to understand that the wars that are being fought now with gun and bullet are not the wars you should be paying as close attention to. It's the war with the mind of the populace. You know, you've got kids in school

in Russia and stuff like this, who are at the age of 12, reading Dostoevsky, going into PE, practicing, boxing, physical education, you know, making them strong, etc., etc., you know. And then on the other end now,

what we've got is, you know, fucking the dumbest shit ever. Like, it's so dumb, it actually hurts my brain to think about it, if I'm going to be brutally honest. And it divides into this massive hemisphere difference, which then leads to a huge geopolitical imbalance and then massive, massive,

what you call societal upheaval, where what they create, what they essentially curate is a war within. Yeah. So they don't need to fight it. Let me give you a great quote on this. So the greatest danger to any civilization is not external threats, but its own internal decay. Yep.

Who said that? I'm not sure. But when you were talking, I was thinking of it. I was trying to find them. Yeah. But it's so true, isn't it? It's like, you know, we're so busy fucking fighting over what a man and a woman is that, you know, we're not actually looking at the real problem. I had a great discussion with a lovely feminist the other day.

And she was, and by the way, I'm being sarcastic. She wasn't lovely. She was actually very angry at the world. And she was like, I'm a feminist. And, you know, I believe in women's rights. Yeah. I said, no, fucking, I didn't check me. And she was like, and I believe in woman's rights.

I was like, that's awesome. Guess what? I do too. Yeah. And she was like, yeah, but you're a mask. you wouldn't understand. I was like, I didn't say I understand. I just said, I agree with you.

You know, I'm on one side here. You know? And then she was like, yeah, but and then she just, and then basically you can kind of tell when someone wants to have a conversation or when they want to kind of have an argument. Yeah. And I was, I was a bit bored that day. So I was like, okay, let me.

So I then just said, okay, cool. Like, you know, righteous fight, love it. Okay, just tell me what a woman is? She was like, what do you mean? I was like, what do you mean? Just define it. Just define what a woman is for me. You're advocating for their fucking rights, bro.

Define it for me. You know? Because then what happens is, and she couldn't, right? So the logic just collapsed on itself, and I literally just ended the conversation saying, this is a great talk, very insightful, you know, and, you know, just kind of left it. But what then happens is exactly that,

is you've got people who will just, it's similar to the BLM movement, right? In the beginning, it was Black Lives, matter. Yeah. And then it became the complete inverse. Complete inverse where it was just, okay, let's just go wreck our own neighborhoods and shit. Yeah. Well, I was going to actually talk to you about this and ask your opinions on the rise of performative activism, which is obviously another thing that it's like, whether it's pro-Palestine or BLM, like, I believe and you can tell me if you disagree with this, that a lot of this comes down

the people have these extreme political beliefs because they don't have anything else in their life going on. They don't have traditional family values. You know, religion is declining and they're looking for, you know, some sort of meaning in their life and they're trying to get that true things that they don't even understand. Yeah, I think a lot of people are, the best way to describe is lost.

A lot of people are lost. and the problem that you have with the political divide is you need a liberal, you need conservatives, you need both, okay? Now, for anyone listening, imagine I'm drawing a line in the middle, and one side is conservative on the other side, just either side of the line is a liberal. So liberal on one side and conservative than the other. Now, the loudest voices are not from those, but from the ones on the extremities. Yeah, yeah.

Right? the ones that are the tiniest tiniest portion are beating their chest the loudest trying to make it out like you know if you're not far this then you're against all of this you know and it's like again your logic is so flawed it's it's almost impossible to have a cathartic dialogue with someone like that you know and i totally agree and people are lost and they are looking for a purpose They're looking for a righteous cause, what they deem to be a righteous cause. And because of the way in which society has pushed propaganda, they didn't see that righteous cause is far right or far left.

And then they go, well, everything that's not that is, you know, you are evil, you are this, you are that, you are the other thing. You know, you're labeled as something. You label it as a supremacist. You saw them label Jordan B. Peters as a white supremacist. Like, could that be any further from the truth? anyone who's read any of his literature and I've read it all

and anyone who's listened to any of his lectures I've listened to them all would very clearly and easily discern that he is not a supremacist Well that's all they have is I'm going to call this person names whether they call an Elon Musk and Nazi like or they're oh dude how fuck is that The Oak was like yeah you know I feel you and he does this

and everyone's like Sig Heil and I'm like what It's so funny because they had a great example of the exact people of them media channels who were advocating this time, this is neo-Nazism and stuff like that. And then someone looked up like loads of different clips of the people

who were actually calling them a Nazi doing the exact same hand signal out at a rally and stuff like that. Like goes, my heart goes out to you. And like, I think if anyone has any common sense if you've heard someone speak for more than an hour, two hours, three hours, like, you will get the sense of someone, you know,

is a Nazi or not. I thought a Nazi meant that you're going around killing Jews. I thought that was the definition of a Nazi. Yeah. The definition of a Nazi is someone who believes in one thing and one thing only, and that is the Uberbench area and race. Nothing else matters. Everything else needs to be destroyed.

Yeah. Right. And this is going to be extremely polarizing. But anyone who's relatively self-aware, which I hope a lot of people are listening are, there's a reason they never put subtitles on speeches made by Hitler during World War II. And that's because if you go listen to one of the speeches he made in World War II, it echoes the exact issue you're having a society now.

Now you're going to get a bunch of people on your podcast saying I'm a neo-Nazi for saying that. More power to you for saying that if you want. It doesn't really bother me. But what I will say is this, right? How do you think you got so many people on his side? How do you think you got so many people to buy into his ideology? Or in my opinion, idocracy, because fucking stupid. what he did, right?

And extremely evil and malicious, right? He said, well, they attacked our culture. They invaded this, that, and the other thing, you see? And that got everyone extremely nationalized, you know, like, Germany is the way, da, da, da, da, da. And then he used that to then funnel it into extremely malicious, malignant intent by genociding millions and millions of Jews unnecessarily, you know? And that's the problem in society is you have a conversation like this.

Now I'm talking to you about Hitler, right? There's going to be someone who's going to go, right, that guy's a fucking Nazi. You know? And it's like, no, right? This is the problem is people will look at one side, the side that they favor. Now, if you actually want an objective bipartisan analysis of what's actually going on so you can actually learn and grow and develop, right? You look at both sides objectively.

And you go, well, how did this actually happen? Right? because they didn't just come out of thin air. Well, this is the problem is that one side continues to try and shut down discourse, whether it's, you know, mass migration or, you know, men and women's sports or whatever it is. It's like, oh, no, you're a racist. Oh, no, you're transphobic. Oh, no, you're dissent.

And they'll just call your names to shut down discourse rather than actually having that conversation of maybe this isn't the really good idea. Or maybe these are some consequences that might come from. what we're doing. There's an amazing saying which goes something along the lines of you'll know you're telling the truth because everyone will try to call you a liar. Everyone will try to call you a liar because you're actually saying the truth, you know, and that's never been more apparent in society than now, you know, you can look at American politics. I follow very, very closely, not because I have a vested interest, but because it's like, it's like war in this. It's hilarious.

It's just kind of funny to, regardless of the politics, it's funny to watch people's reactions to the politics or reactions to other people's reactions. And it's like, people stop talking to family members over their views. It's insane. I was actually speaking to a prospect earlier this week. And she was telling me, she was like, you know, I told a friend of mine, my political views because they are. And I told her

that I was for Trump. And now she said she doesn't want to be friends to me because she thinks I'm a Nazi. I was like ha. She's like, yeah, yeah. That was a friendship for five, six years. I was like, you must be joking. That's not a friendship though. That's okay.

You, as long as as you follow what I believe and do as I say and I can use you, then we will continue to keep this relationship going. And the minute, you know, that changes, I'm going to drop you like that. It's a combination of narcissism and utilitarianism. Yeah.

You know, it's a combination of both swung together in some disgusting pot, you know, and the problem that the West faces is its weakness. It is, it is, and for everyone living in the West, understand, I'm from the West, right? it's this, it's almost embarrassing. Truthfully, it's almost embarrassing. And I'm not on about anxiety or depression. That's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to the fact that if you're English,

you can't say you're English. People come to your house if you say you're a Christian and say, you know, you're making some inflammatory remarks. It's like, no shit. Isn't that what freedom of speech is? You're going to risk being offended. or risk being offensive, that's what freedom of speech is.

That's why podcasts rose to the top so quickly because people are going to actually have a dialogue. Yeah. You know, and a conversation. And that's the problem. It's so many people refuse to have a conversation. And instead we'll just go, okay, default aggressive.

I'm going to attack, you know, or no, no, no. That's going to shatter my illusion of reality. So I just refuse to believe it. It's like, right. So is it better to live in a delusion? Really? Is it? Because at some point a delusion does shatter.

And when it does, you're going to be left with a bunch of broken pieces. And those broken pieces aren't around you. They are you. You know, and that's scary. You know, it's funny when you even speak about Christianity because I've been thinking about this a lot lately. It's like I grew up Catholic, all right? And like my mum would bring me to church all the time when we're younger.

you know I got my had my, did my communion, my confirmation, I was baptised, all this stuff. And, you know, somewhere along the line, maybe I was 12 or 13, I just, you know, it kind of, religion kind of left my, you know, parameter.

I just stopped going. Like, and there was a big thing, especially in Ireland, because of like the scandal with the Catholic church and like, you know, some, some bad eggs in terms of priests that there, that it kind of went from like, the Catholic Church being everything in Ireland

to then being nothing. And it was only quite recently when I felt like I was expected to be ashamed of Christianity or my being Irish and nationalism and all that stuff. And you know, like, I think being a Catholic

isn't just about your religion. It's also about culture. It's about where you come from. It's all these things as well. And then the minute. Yeah. Yeah. And then the minute I started to feel like I should, I should, you know, be ashamed of that or society wants you to be ashamed of that. That's when it was kind of like the pendulum swang for me in regards to be like, okay, maybe I should actually start being more. I should start integrating myself more into my religion because I'm being told that I can't. Well, I'll tell you this. It's a fact. The most persecuted religion today is Christianity. So the most persecuted of all religions in the whole world is Christianity.

Right. And there was a other day I was walking to, I can't remember where it was, but it was, it was someplace. And these, the people who were all there were Thai and their Buddhist, etc. And I was like, you know, I'm going to put my cross in my, in my, and I said, no, fuck off. I said, no, no, no. I said, this is my belief system. And the thing is, right, is most people have a warped understanding of we can riff off anything here, but let me weave like Donald Trump here, a big boy, right? You can have a warped perception of any religion, but then I'll ask you a very simple, straightforward question, which is, have you read the book?

Now, if you haven't read the book, what perception do you have? A sound bite from Deuteronomy? says, oh, you can sell your daughter into slavery? So now all of a sudden it's venomous? No. And I put my stock not in religion, right? I've seen religion in the eyes. There's a brilliant quote from Kingdom of Heaven where he says, I put, and I vehemently agree with this. I put no stock in religion.

None. I put stock in faith. Right? because I have seen murderers with the eyes of religion. I have seen the most heinous things being done

on the basis of religion. But true holiness or for the most spiritual people, true spirituality. Holiness of spirituality, the same fucking thing, by the other way, better on listening. Okay. Right.

Is doing what is right and what is good. Right. It's not, you know, burn the heretic, you know, pursy, unclean. No, it's not that shit, right? Because I can tell you right now, the center of sin and the whole entire world is the Vatican, which is supposed to be the holiest place in the world. Yeah, yeah.

You know, so what's so deeply saddening is the people who have the perceptions of certain religious sects haven't even read the fucking book. My uncle is a writer. He has a really good line on this. He's like, religion is. grief or religion is good for good people and it's and it's bad for bad people and what he just essentially means by this is like you know bad people will do bad things in the name of something and then you demonise the thing rather than the person yeah because then what's happening is the bad person

can now disguise himself under the guy's quote 100% yeah yeah then ever virtuous yeah no one's on that and it's like okay well hold the fucking phone you know when the crusade entered Jerusalem, they murdered everyone. But Salahid gave every Christian safe passage. Back to their holy land. So one thing I'll say is irrespective of what religious sect you're part of, be part of it. And I'm not sitting here saying be proud of it, but wear it.

embody it. So for example, just to just cut past you there, a big thing you said there is be proud of it. it. And I think that's the biggest issue is that like, you know, people like you're in Thailand now, right? Thai people are proud of their heritage. They're proud of their nationality. Oh, God. Yeah. People in Western civilization, whether you're in France or Germany or the UK or Ireland, I don't think people are are proud of where they come from. And I think that is one of the big fundamental issues. But that's because that's because that's because your government has made you

fear that. They've put you in a position where it's like you're not allowed to actually be that. Yeah. You know, and that's so warped and twisted in so many aspects, you know, like you go to the cinema in Thailand.

Before the movie starts, you stand for the Thai National Anthem. Go to a Muay Thai fight. Before the fight starts, you stand for the Thai National Anthem. Why? You're in Thailand. Respect their culture. I don't walk around to Buddhist monks with the cross and going, you know, I'm going to save you. That's not, that's not what someone

of a Christian faith would do. Instead, they would be kind. They would help. They would listen. They would learn. A lot of people don't even know that because it was omitted from the Bible when Jesus disappeared for a bunch of years. He actually went and he studied in the East with Buddha, you know, and he actually did do these things. And anyone who's a Buddhist out there goes, everyone is Buddha. You know what I fucking mean. Whoever's listening here who's a Buddhist, okay? And the problem there is like, you're conflating, people mustn't conflate the idea of religion with the idea of being faithful, being good, doing what is right. You know, and you've got to understand the whole of the West was built on Judeo-Christian values.

Right? You can't have the Second Amendment and the First Amendment unless really you're a Christian. And the founding fathers, I don't know if they were 14 or 9, can't remember, but 13 of the 14 or 8 of the 9, or over many they were, were church-growing men. Okay, so you've got to understand that if that starts to get eroded away, right? Imagine a concrete foundation. Everything else just collapses on top of it, right?

And, well, something will have to take its place. Now, the question then remains, would you be happy with what takes its place? And this is the whole point as well When you talk about the people who Demonize and criticize Western civilization For whatever reasons, obviously it's not perfect But what in the world is better Or has been better?

Yeah, there you go. There's a perfect question. Name me a society that's better to live in Then a free market capital of society. Name it and I'll wait. If you can find it, tell me, because it doesn't exist. No, it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist.

And that's kind of the rub. people will be like, ah, you know, this, that, and the other thing, but it's like, okay, well, and this is a really good example with equal opportunity. By the way, ladies, you actually do have equal opportunity in pretty much every facet of Western culture, just so you're aware, right? Just because you didn't get the job, it doesn't mean you didn't get the job because you're a woman, heads up, okay? Just because the guy didn't get the job, doesn't mean he didn't get the job because he's a

straight white male, right? That's not always the case. Okay. So the problem you then have is the ossification, not just of your society, but your culture. And ossification basically means evaporation. It just disappears, right? It just completely disappears. And then you're left with a vacuum.

Now, something will fill that vacuum. Now, what falls that vacuum won't be as pleasant as what was already in it. I can guarantee you that. Because you can see it. Well, that's what I was about to say. It's like the signs are already there that it's not going. Yeah. And this is the thing is you don't even need to say it.

Just allude to it. See, just tell the people, go look around and tell me. I think a big problem is that like we can't see ahead of ourselves or we fail to see ahead of ourselves. And if you look at most civilizations, like there's no, there's no civilization that has stood the test of time. But we think that Western civilization will stand the test. time. But you're about to find out. It's the classic fuck around and find out situation here. And if you go look at the Hellenistic philosophers and even Roman doctrine, and that was one of the longest lasting civilizations, you know, it ossified the moment that they focused on

themselves, right? When there was nothing above them, right? It was, okay, well, hedonistic women is totally fine, which is the epicenter of what Epicureanism is, essentially, which is there's nothing above me, so nothing is more important than me, my feelings, how I feel and what I do and how I want to be. And it's like, actually, that's not true. You actually have an obligation and your obligations to those around you and to yourself, to better the people around you, not necessarily physiologically, like, look, I'll train you, whatever, but to contribute because you're part of a society, right? There's a community there to contribute in a manner that is befitting of the society in which you're in.

Right. If I went to Abu Dhabi and they said, look, you need to wear robes, etc. It's like, Roger that. I'm on your turf. I'm not going to sit there and go, listen. No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to go, okay? I'm going to respect your culture.

But that doesn't mean I'm going to deviate from my own values. You see? And this is where so many people have this whole like idyllic doctrine of, you know, well, I don't need to believe in a religion or something that's higher than myself. Well, it's like, okay, don't. But then where does the buck stop? Okay, so it stops with you, right? Okay, well, if it stops with you, then all that matters is how you feel, right?

How you are, what you want, and everything else is secondary to that. because you've essentially decided to take the place of God, right? And you can see this very evidently in Dostoevsky's crime and punishment, right? And the reason why I mentioned Dostoevsky is because Dostoevsky, all Russian philosophers, but specifically Dostoevsky, he always had a character in his novel that would be reminiscent of God. Yeah. Someone who's upstanding a good person. And in crime and punishment, you see a guy get away with the perfect crime, right?

Doesn't get caught. Now the book's called Crime and Punishment, but he doesn't get caught for what he does. Okay, so he kills someone. Doesn't get caught. Gets away with it. Scott fucking furry. Okay. Cool.

So then he says to himself, he rationalizes it. And he goes, well, if I killed one person and got away with it, what difference doesn't make if it's two? Well, how far can you go there? What difference does it make if it's 20 million? You know, now you're looking at, you know, Mao in China, you know, the Cambodian killing fields or Nazi Germany, you know. So you've got to always shackle yourself to something that is higher than yourself. Irrespect of what it is you believe. Yeah.

And that also comes back to, okay, well, if you don't believe in something, if you don't believe in God or religion, then their, then morality can be off the table then in that regard. And what's wrong with killing them? Well, no, then morality becomes. fluid. Yeah. It becomes fluid. So it's like, oh, you know, just that you can just decide that actually killing isn't, there's nothing wrong with killing. Yeah. You can rationalize in your own head. You can go, oh, you know what, like, okay, I killed that person, but I got away with it. So it's actually, you know, you know what, I can rationalize that. That's fine. You know, I get punched for it. You know, whereas when you abide, not necessarily by religion, but by the doctrine of being good, faithful,

you know, of service, you know, understanding that. is something more to this world than yourself, right? Then all of a sudden, humility occurs. Right? And then you go, okay, there is more to it than just this, you know? Do you think that that's where the problem lies? Yeah, do you think that that also ties into the victimhood that is kind of surrounded in, in Western culture at the moment as well?

Like a lot of people, you know, oh, I feel oppressed or people are racist. towards me or there's so much injustice in the world. And, you know, that might tie into, you know, like you said about the Roman Empire. It's like now I'm just thinking about myself. I'm thinking about myself. I'm not thinking about anything higher than me. It's all about me. Put it this way.

If you were to think more about others than yourself, this is a psychological analysis. If you were to think more about others than yourself, while making sure your needs are met, socially, mentally, physiologically, etc. And you think about others more than yourself, your life is substantially more pleasant. Yeah, 100%. You can pull up studies to find it. You know, we'll get Jamie. Here's the caveat to that because I think a lot of people believe that they are doing that through their activism.

Like, oh my God, I put a Palestine flag on my Instagram account. I'm such a good fucking person. or I put a black mark on my Instagram account but they're not they pretend that they're doing under the guise of compassion and helping anyone but they're not really helping anyone that it's that again that's the

even though on this on the surface it looks like oh I'm a compassionate person I'm thinking about others not myself well really you're just performing you know for your own ego you're dancing you're if there's a can't remember which book it was I read

but there's a reason there's a fool in the king's court for entertainment you know and when you say you know oh you know like let's use i don't know israel palestine as a good example right you know i'm pro-palestine or i'm pro-israel it's like okay so so what what do you intend to do do about it yeah nothing i'm just letting you know i'm i'm you know i'm for it against it why If you're not going to do anything about it and you're not going to actually take affirmative action to try to change situation from the outside looking in or whatever it may be, all you're actually doing is pandering to what the masses want. Yeah.

Right. You know, like, for example, if everyone in your village said, you know, pro-Palestine and you and I'm pro-Israel, the likelihood of that community then turning on you is super high. So people then just go, you know what, her, herd mentality. That's exactly. You know, and it's, and that's the problem. It's, it's, it's an, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's called the woke mind of virus. Because the way it actually acts is more reminiscent of virology and a virus than of, uh, political ideology spread it. You know, it actually genuinely infects the minds of people.

and had an awesome discussion with a lovely, lovely lady the other day. And she was like, why do you pick action movies where it's usually the guy who kicks ass? And I said, because it usually is the guy who kicks ass. And she was like, oh, well, no, there's women who kick ass. I was like, 110% there's women who kick ass. But that's a much smaller, much smaller minority. Right. Now, if I had a daughter and we had a great discussion because it was an open discussion.

discussion. I said, if I had a daughter, and she went and she watched, let's say, a Wonder Woman, for example. Laura Craft, too, writer. Yeah, they go, right? And she goes, watch Laura Craft, right? And then she goes out to the street, and she's like, you know, I can't, I keynote these guys and I'm so fucking, and then all of a sudden she ends up batted, raped, and traumatized. Because no one actually just gave her the legit shit and just said to her, look, right? You are capable. You were a strong woman, right but your battlefield your area of expertise is in

emotional intelligence some woman logically etc right there's always an exception to a rule right but by the same token I would much rather let someone I love know that there is something out there that you need to be aware of

then be blissfully ignorant and walk yourself into the darkest depths of malevolence because once you've been touched by malevolence it affects you. That's what trauma is. Trauma is essentially where you've had a scrape. Just a scrape with malevolence.

When you have like serious encounters malevolence, it completely fries your brain. And that's where, and you'll notice this is people who've, you know, come close to death or see people die, etc. And they go, hmm, there's more to it than just dust once we die. And that's not a justification for death anxiety, right? Because they've even actually measured the weight of a corpse before it died. So the weight of a living human, then as it died,

and the weight differs because the soul leaves a body. So then you have to ask yourself the question, okay, well, we all have souls. Where that come from? What is that? What are you going to do there? and now all of a sudden the people who don't have something high to reach for like

it's you know my character no no no your soul you know like intrinsically and that's where the kind of worry stems

it's like you should and a very good example is Islam Muslims are very proud to be Muslim Christians take a leaf out their fucking book you know don't be so afraid there's

English guys and English ladies who are literally worried to say, you know, I love England and I'm proud of what England achieved. Yeah, they're worried about having a, having an English flag outside of their house. Yeah, well, the funny thing is you get arrested for that. Yeah, but you can have a, but you can have a Palestine flag, no problem, or you're going to have an Islam, whatever it is. And this is the thing. And it's, it's, it's heartbreaking because what you're getting is, and what you're

of seeing, and Douglas Murray alludes to it best when he talks about the strange death of Europe is a decline of one of the most beautiful civilizations to ever exist. You go look at, Jesus, go over look at a Picasso picture. Go over look at the Sistine Chapel. I mean, what beautiful feats of human engineering. And I could say the same, you know, about Mecca, I could say the same about the pyramids, etc. Of course. Yeah.

Right, but the point I'm trying to make is why should any of those, any of them, be ripped to shreds? Yeah, like when I want to go, I want to go to Japan to see Japanese culture and Japanese structures. I want to go to Egypt to see the Egyptians. I want to go, you know, to England to see, you know, countryside English culture. Exactly. It's not a racist thing to say. It's not. No, but now that this is the thing is, is.

as soon as you mentioned that you're proud of your culture, especially if you're wired, you are then ostracized immediately. You are ostracized. You're kicked out. And it's like, okay, why? What have I done? Genuinely, what have I done? Oh, well, you know, you kind of fit the bill, mate, you know, you're white and straight.

So like, you know, you must have done something at some point. And it's like, really? Really? You're not falling in line in the narrative of... This is the thing. And that's why, you know, people always go, you know, you move to Thailand. It's like, because I could see what's happening in Europe, I'm not going to be privy to it. I'm not going to perpetuate it.

You know what I mean. And this goes a bit deeper, though, because for every pound you spend, you technically are contributing to whatever it is the government wants. But it's a tricky situation. some people can't help it and you know that's totally fair yeah everyone's everyone's circumstances are going to be completely exactly like some people have no choice you know that's totally fair but to pretend and to hide away from who you are and what you do and why do you think in terms of mass psychology people gravitate towards people who are genuinely authentic

why do you think polarizing posts on instagram gain way more attraction because there's actually someone fucking saying something that they believe it. And they don't care that people disagree. Yeah. You know? And it's the same principle with with the ossification, the evaporation, excuse me, of the West. It's like, do you really want your whole culture to just disappear? Because something's going to take its place and ain't going to be nice.

And then you're going to be really fucking scared. Yeah. I think if I think the case from most people. they're just not awake to it and that's the probably the scariest thing because before enough people are it's probably too late i don't know if they're not awake or if they're choosing to be blissfully ignorant because it's the easy route yeah it's scary to to say what you think when it's not when it's not part of the i'll give you a simple example simple example i i um i studied all the faiths right i've told you this before on the podcast before.

And I arrived at Christianity. And I arrived there and I was like, you know what? This makes total sense. Logically, theoretically, ethereically, it makes total sense. Right? I'm looking at from every angle. So I started to play devil's advocate. Right.

Now, why should me being a Christian be a bad thing? Right? I've got clients who are gay. They see the cross around my name. neck. They don't look at me and go, oh my God, you know, he's, he's going to hate me because I'm gay. Because if you actually genuinely think about it, right, let's say Jesus was here. You can't say Jesus was here, right? And he ran into a gay. You'd be like, coming out, bro. People look, it's okay. You know, he's not going to be like,

fuck you. Get out of here, asshole. You never did that. You never did that. So what is inevitable is, is if you don't stand up for your culture, someone else is going to fucking take it. And you'll get people who will go, oh, you know, but it'll be fine, you know. And I'm like, okay, well, look at it now. Is it fine now? Give it five more years. You think it's going to be better? Nah.

You've got to actually stand. And this is the problem. And this is why, you know, South Africans idealize Madela so much. And so they should. Because he stood up. And he was like, nah, bro. Nah, this ain't happening. You know, like same principle in the Gulag archipelago.

One man destroyed communist Russia from a Gulag by writing a book. One man decimated Soviet Russia by writing a book that kept getting torn apart, kept getting ripped apart, but he still fucking produced it. And the Gulag archipelago is one of the most amazing stories you could ever fucking read. I can't remember who wrote it. It was Alexander Shultzyniskine. I can never pronounce the Ruski names. Why they're so hard, you know.

But you see that kind of stuff. And then you look back and then if I look back on my life and I looked at the things I did. And I was like, you know, I just followed the fucking crowd. I would be, I would say, you know what? It does warrant a bullet in the head. Like, it really does. You feel it in your soul. feel in your body, it's...

It's not right. And people go, well, why do you seek discomfort? Why do you, why do you seek that? And it's because at the end of the day, calling forth your best, does nothing but better everyone else around you, always. And comfort is the biggest killer. And that's why, you know, you see me say this on a lot of my Instagram posts. I say, seize an opportunity.

That's not because I want money, money, money. no, I don't give a shit about that. I actually care about changing someone's life. I get paid for it because I'm fucking good at it. Right? But by the same token, you want to see people call forth their best. But everyone's different. Now, if everyone's different, that means everyone's going to stand for something. But the problem is, no one's standing for anything now. So what you've got is just a bunch of sheep. And I even said this because I've called, I literally culled half my clientele and I bear no bones about it. I'm happily mentioned on this podcast. I culled half my

clientele because I had a monumental, I don't know, fucking epiphany or whatever it was. It's like, I'm in the business of creating shepherds. I'm in the business of creating other people who are going to have a positive impact on those around them. I'm not in the business of leading sheep. I'm not in the business of leading sheep, right? Someone said this to me a long time ago. They said, you're so focused on leading the flock that when the pig runs away from the flock that you're protecting, you run and grab the pig,

you get the pig back, and the pig runs away again. Instead of tending to the flock that actually matters. And that's all I needed to know in here to go, you know what, okay, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, straight away. Because it doesn't matter if you're scared, if you're nervous, if you're anxious, all these sorts of things.

you can work with those and you can build someone to something they've never seen before. Right. You don't have to be this absolute Arnold Schwarzenegger unit, you know, who knows everything to then become a shepherd. All you have to do is be willing to be led. Right. And Alexander the Great said it best, right? He literally said, any good leader for a leader to be good, in order for a leader to be good, he has to first learn how to be led. Me and you are standing examples of that. We would get mentors. We would get coaches.

Right. To this day, I always have someone holding me accountable, you know, to make sure. Because at the end of the day, you all do have something to stand for. And to not stand for is a detriment to yourself. And you'll feel it. And it will come around in circles in your life. And then one day you'll actually have the goal to stand up and go, no. And that's a beautiful fucking thing. Well, it's that famous quote, isn't it? If you stand for nothing, you'll end up falling for anything.

And that's when people fall into the things that we spoke about, you know, performing of activism or anything that they can and just being sheep of the of the hurt. Yeah. And Denzel Washington actually nailed it with an awesome quote. Where he says, if you read the news, you're misinformed. If you don't read the news, you're uninformed. yeah yeah yeah I like and I was like that's brilliant that's very good on the money yeah you know

speaking of that I wanted to go into one last topic with you because it's another thing that I said online that I got a lot of backlash for it but I didn't care I was gonna rip him big boy come and obviously because Andrew Tate was back in the in the news after I think you got arrested in Florida or something like that and then that sprung up the the blog that I wrote and it was basically he's got a rip the news hold on, you're going to arrest in Florida?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Well, what? He got, he got, he got, he flew into the States and then, uh, he got arrested in Florida. I'm not sure what the charges were or anything like that. But anyway, it was, it was, it was just because he was on the news that I explained very much that, like, for the people that are so anti-Andy-Andyutee, you know, if you don't want Andrew Tay to be popular, if you don't want them to be popular with young men, then instead of, instead of just giving out about Andrew Tay, look at the reasons behind why he's popular. You know, and I spoke about the absence of male role models, about fatherless homes.

And, you know, you know, again, going back to this, all right, hyper individual society where you don't need a man and you don't need to be in a relationship and we don't need to get married and you don't need a nucleus family and stuff like that. And obviously, like, all of that ties into young men who don't have a father figure at home. And so they fall into the Andrew Taites of the world. I spoke about, you know, boys and aren't. resonating with progressive messages and redefining gender norms. I've spoke about creating better, you know, social, economic stability for men,

you know, men who, you know, if they feel like they can make money, if they feel like they can have a purpose, they're less likely to need them sorts of role models, the rejection of a victimhood. And I've made all these, like, points about if you don't, want popular men like Andrew Tate, you know, what's the, what's the alternative? Give a solution to the alternative. You're not looking at the causes, you're just looking at the symptom and then blaming the symptom when you're not really listening to the struggles that people are having. You're not listening to the struggles that young men are having. You're just shouting on the

internet how Andrew Tate did this, Andrew Tate did that. I'm not interested in what Andrew Tate did or didn't do. I don't know Andrew Tate as a character. I don't know if, you know, if he's done, you know, if he's done good or he's done bad in his life or if it's just media manipulating stories. I don't know and I don't care. What I do care about is why is he so popular with young men? The reason he's so popular with young men is the things that we laid out. You know, no role models, you know, progressive messages. No financial.

Be strong, be a good man, you know, stand up for yourself, learn to protect yourself, etc, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, and I think that every time they just continue, continue to miss the forest for the trees and go after the symptom rather than the actual cause. I think it's because they don't want to go after the cause, mate. Yeah. Why do you think that is? Because it would, if they did listen to it, they would realize that a lot of their messaging is flawed.

Remember what I said about delusions being shattered and that means the shattering of the self? Yeah. Makes sense. Same principle. it's like okay I say that I used to do this I used to love doing this experience this was when Andrew Tate was kind of like rising right before you got arrested and I would go into the gym and I would do it with all my female clients and I would say and genuinely I would just go what do you think I entertain

and some people say I fucking hate him and oh no I actually think he speaks sense and to everyone who said they hates him I said I totally think that's a fair starts to take. Totally fair. You're perfectly entitled to it. Okay. Let me ask you this. Have you consumed any of his content in long form? No, but you know, I saw this clip of him on Fresh and Fit and, you know, he was such a dick. And I'm like, okay.

But do you understand why you're so popular? So, yeah, because guys want to be rich and have Bugatti's. It's like, nah. again, you're completely missing it. You can't see past your own fucking nose, mate. No, it's because of the absence of role models because you've essentially demonized masculinity. And the irony of it is, I'll repeat this,

is I'm a man and, you know, I like to try to stand on my virtue, but I'm not devoid of sin. I'm not perfect, right? I'm a bad guy trying to be good is how I see it. Not a good guy trying to be bad, right? And when you look at this kind of stuff and you see them go, you know, he's this, he's that, he's the other thing. I go, okay, well, what kind of man do you want? So I'll say this like a week later.

I'll be like, what's your ideal kind of guy? And then they would describe someone who's very similar to Andrew Tate. And I'd be like, doesn't that sound like anterate to you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, when the whole fucking turkey thing, you know, and I'm like, hmm. Now I'm not sitting here saying, look, I'm on Adjutant's side or I'm not. I'm not sitting on the fence either. I'm saying he's telling young men to get up, stop be fucking lazy, stop jerking your girkin, right, and get after it.

Work hard, train hard, you know, all this kind of stuff, right? There's a line. There's shades of gray there, right? You've got to help people. You know, you've got to give people a helping hand, et cetera. but by the same token, why do you think that message resonates so much? Because masculinity was absolutely stumped all over. And then the irony of it is ask a woman what kind of man she truly wants.

And as a partner, not as like someone that just want to shag. And it's a man of standing in virtue. That's why there's such a resurgence and stoicism. Right? Because men are looking, looking, looking, looking. And you take it's arrested. Fuck, where do I look now? you know and then you've got standing reproaches like jordan v peterson andrews human you know even joe rogan

is a great example of someone who's extremely curious and always wants to learn you know but again you're completely on the money you'll attack the symptom but you won't attack the cause because the cause will shatter your delusion that you want to live in so you won't look at it and then you'll then look at it in hindsight and go how come you know i never got you know this kind of kind of man. You're telling you never fucking wanted him. Yeah. Because every single time he popped up, you said he was an asshole.

So what do you expect? Yeah. Or the other side of thing is there was no men like that available because the society that you wanted, you know, demonized men for being men. And so, you know, all that was left in society was, you know, either one side of things. The progressives, the progressive living. liberals who you're not actually that quite attracted there or

well they won't be yeah or the in cells yeah and and you know what I do not blame any woman for not being attracted to that because you're looking at this an overtly submissive excuse my French pussy right and

you can deal with that for a few months saying baby go do this go to that yes baby okay baby did you see they yeah I started to the interruption but I I think it was in it was in Sweden or Norway where they did kind of interviews

on the streets and like it's very liberal dominated and they'd ask all the men about paying on the first day and it was like oh no the woman pays her we go 50-50 and I was like like a woman would be pissed off

about that I think I think most women would want their their first day to you know to be paid for. And like I've known, I'd have no problem doing that. Like, I would expect myself to do it. But it's like they say that they want that type of a man until that type of a man makes you split the bill. Because that type of a man is like me. I won't pay for a woman on the first day.

Yeah. Why? Sorry. Simple. Why am I paying you for your time? I don't know you yet. You haven't earned my respect and you don't know me either. Right? We're not meeting. on different levels here. You're not above me, right? You're not below me. We're both human beings sitting down having a fucking drink, a coffee or dinner, whatever, right?

Why must I not pay for your time? But do you not think when you speak about men being men that part of that is protector, provider, that kind of show, that also shows that, like, all right, you're meeting someone for the first time,

but this also shows that, okay, if we are to create some sort of a dime, relationship, I am able to look after you and you are able to look after me. But that comes in different ways. Comes later. Yeah. You see? So people, I've had so much pushback from this and I fucking love it when I do.

Oh my God. Well, that's not sure. As you say you're such a man and I go, fucking right on my man. Standing on my virtue. Right. When she becomes wifey, when she becomes girlfriend, when she becomes a chick I'm seeing, guess who's paying? for dinner. Me, guess who's opening doors?

Me. Guess who's there when shit has the fan? Me. Guess who's there when she needs a problem solving? Me. Guess who's there when she needs protection? Me. Guess who's there when she needs help? Me. But until that point, you have not earned that right. To think you were just

entitled to that right now in this current day and age is erroneous because you've starved men of that. Go back to the 70s, different gravy. go look at the music, go look at the cinema, go look at the culture. Different gravy.

But that's because woman had a different perception as well, which wasn't no, we're less than men. No, no. It was, I'm a woman. The guy needs to open a door for me. Yeah, no. He needs to pay for dinner. But now you've got the overt entitlement. And it's not just on the woman's side, right?

Like there's guys, the guys who are paying for only fans, you're part of the fucking problem. So if anyone here is listening to this and you're paying for only fans, cancel your fucking account. Stop joking. You go and go do something productive. Okay. If you can't find something productive. I got to,

I got to clip. I got to clip that. That is going to be the, that's going to be the pool. Kip it. And that'll be the short for today, mate. Fucking out. Do it.

Right? But by the same token, genuinely, it's like, what on earth makes you think that I need to pay you to spend time with me? I don't know you. I do not know you

What would be an ideal first day for you then Walk in a coffee or something like that Because I don't drink coffee What do you drink? I don't drink If I do drink It'll be an old fashion And I'll just sit there

You know Have a nice old fashion Because I think it's a man's drink You know I mean like a gentleman's drink You know I can even make an old fashion Do you have any caffeine in your diet

Yeah Yeah What do you use take? I just have coffee. Oh yeah, yeah. That's what I said. Would you go for a coffee on a on a date then?

Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Coffee, go for a walk, go for some food. Something casual because I think the moment you put booze in the mixer,

people start putting on masks and there's much courage. You end up just for, you end up just not, you think you love the person that night and then you actually hate them the next day because of the alcohol. Yeah, exactly.

You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, It's too rose tinting. Like you're seeing things through a blurred lens. Yeah.

And people will say, okay, well, you know, I'm a woman of value. So you need to pay for me in the first date. I'll be like, okay, how are you a woman of value? If you can genuinely tell me, sure. You know, so, well, I'm a woman and I'm beautiful. It doesn't make you valuable. Right? I don't care, right?

Beautiful is, look, you can find beautiful. girls everywhere. Okay. That's just your looks. But are you kind? Are you maternal? Are you caring? Are you loving? Do you want to push me to be better? Do you want me to push you to be better? Do you see me as someone worth improving? Do I see you as the same? Now, if that's the case, well, then we're cooking with a gas. Because then I am at your beck and call and I've got your back, come rain, hail, sleet. It does not matter. right but nowadays you'll see a lot of women will

you see it all over the place actually will utilise the idea of chivalry to just get free shit well I don't even think that most women are dating I don't think that most women or men are dating I know that there's probably a percentage a narcissistic percentage

who do feel entitled like that And, you know, they, it's, it's the same as the, you know, the basically the fuck boy who is really good looking, who sleeps with everyone. And then all women say, oh, all men are pigs when realistically that's only 1% that, you know, are probably, you know, doing the work for the 99% who are just staying at home and not actually getting into relationships. So let's say to round this podcast up, right? So, like, we've pretty much determined. that young people are struggling and also being manipulated, whether it's women thinking that, you know, they need to, you know, make a million dollars a year.

Women especially are being manipulated quite badly, actually, to be fair, like, straight up. And then men, and then men on the other side where the statistics are, you know, daylight obvious that, you know, men are not getting into relationships, they're not having sex, they're probably staying at home,

playing college duty on their Xbox, you know, they're struggling financially. They're dropping out of college because it's very woman based in terms of everything to do with college. So like men are falling behind and in that regard, women are struggling to find relationships. Culture is pulling the two of them apart to, you know, blame each other and to have these kind of fight on, you know, gender wars. So what would your advice be for young men and women? in today's age who do want to get into a relationship

do want to have a family, do want to find a good partner that both respect each other and have good communication and aren't happy how society is playing out at the moment. I'll start with women.

Ladies, go watch beauty and the beast. Okay, go watch beauty and the beast. Not because I'm big, right? because I actually feel pretty small today, right? But go watch Beauty and the Beast because that will show you what a genuinely beautiful relationship looks like with the man who can actually provide, protect, and can be as dangerous as possible, but has a level of self-restraint.

Ladies, a lot of you fall into a very, very dangerous trap, and it's a very evident trap. I do not blame me for falling into it, which is where you get confused. And the confusion stems from narcissists, right? because narcissists can embody the traits of a truly virtuous man and then use them against you. Okay. So what I would say with women and ladies, if you're really looking for like a boyfriend, you know, or someone of genuine moral standing, take your time. Take your time.

Get to know the guy genuinely, right? And see if he's really down for you, okay? But take your time. Don't rush it on purpose because when you rush it, you accidentally fall into the trap of the narcissist. You know, people call it being love bombed, right? And that's why I say to you guys, please, and I mean it, even if you're 50 listening to this podcast, please go watch Beauty and the Beast, right, because it shows you a beautiful archetype of what a male should and must act like. And what effect the feminine frame can actually have on a man.

It can make them soft. It can make them gentle. It can make them feel, you know, good. Make them feel like they're not ostracized, right? But take your time because beauty and the beast and a narcissist, the only difference between the two is an actual genuine virtue. One's got fake virtue. One's got real virtue.

Right. So learn to identify them. Have you out to the name. Do you think there's many men out there like that available for women, the protector, the provider? No. I think that might be the issue. That's why I said take time. Take a fucking time because you'll come across a lot more narcissistic men than you will, genuinely virtuous men.

That doesn't necessarily mean they're guilty until proven otherwise, okay, but don't be blissfully naive, right? Now, I would caveat that with understanding that it's imperative that you create these social connections in person, right? Talk to these people, get to know them. You'll be able to tell, right, women have a sixth sense that is sharper than the sharpest blade on earth where they can spot an ulterior motive in any man like a pig and small shit. They can spot it a fucking mile away, right? meet these people in person. Yeah, no, if you don't feel safe, different story, okay?

Well, that kind of ties into the study that I even referenced where 60% saying that they are emotionally exhausted from online dating. Yeah, exactly, because of exactly that, right? Online dating, there's so much space, there's so much, this is awful English, excuse me, there's so much less friction between you and the end and let's say the guy wants to get in the girl's pants or he wants to date or whatever,

he doesn't actually have to prove that he's actually the man he says he is. You can just fucking say it. See? And on the other side for men, right? Guys, first things first. Physically, get fucking healthy. Right.

There's one thing Andrew Tate did say, and I do fundamentally agree with this. The depressed guy said to him, he said, I'm depressed. I'm this and that and the other thing. He said, okay, go get a six pack. Tell me if you're depressed after that. I'm not telling everyone here to get a six pack.

I'm not saying, you know, the standard is to have a six pack. What I'm saying is train, get strong. Make yourself a little bit harder at the fucking kill. Okay. That's number one. Number two, men do your reading. Read. You need to read.

You need to understand the world you're in and what's around you. Okay. And thirdly, for the men, up there, right? Make sure you pick positive fucking male role models. That doesn't mean you pick the role model that all your mates picked at school

because he's fucking popular. Think for yourself and pick someone that you want to embody that you know is a good, virtuous person. That's why I say do your reading because you'll find many a virtuous man between these two pages of many a book.

Yeah. Okay. And never, ever be ashamed, ever, under any circumstance of being a man. It is okay. It is allowed. And a woman truly, truly respect and love genuine men. Okay. But it doesn't mean you need to become a control freak.

It doesn't mean you come an asshole. Yeah. But it does mean you respect one another. Okay. Can I read out this? that I thought it was really, really good in terms of today's Dayton Dynamics. It was Sumin Roe. An entire generation is claiming that dating sucks because they've spent the last 10 years

putting more effort into formulating a content strategy than developing an actual personality. I thought that was so good. It is. It is. And I'll tell you something, right? So I was chatting to a male client of mine a while ago. It wouldn't mind me saying this at all. And we were talking about exactly that, right?

You know, this, and the other thing with regard to, you know, your focus on your content strategy rather than actually being a man, you know. And I just said to him, I said, okay, well, what virtues do you have? And, you know, you listed them off. And I said, great, tell me a story. Tell me a story where I can see these virtues that you possess in real life. what we call that is a demonstration of higher value right it's called the dhv for anyone who wants the short form fucking answer right Neil Strauss said it best right now if you don't as a man

have a story where you can actually not brag not beat your chest but say yo I did this right then go out and live your fucking life get off your laptop right get a your fucking phone, stop looking at the reels of, you know, these guys saying, you know, born to go on a crusade, but stuck in a nine to five. Instead, how about you go and actually create some lived experiences that you can pull from because of those two things. One, it creates a man of value going out of your comfort zone, seeking discomfort, looking for purpose.

and two, you grow because you're out there experiencing things and in turn by proxy you grow as a man. I think that's the best advice that you could give people these days is exactly what you said just go out on start doing you wouldn't you?

Yeah, have a story man. Have a fucking story to tell. You know? Like my book of life is fucked. It's up, down. in, out. And it's, it's a book that at least people would fucking read. Yeah.

You know? I always say, like, everything will, like, when you're on your debt bed, everything else will be gone. But all you'll have left is your stories. So, you know, what's the point? That is all you'll have left. And all I'm going to say is, if you ever get stuck when you're talking to a woman, and you can't tell her a story where you've been someone worth being.

Yeah. you're the main character. Yeah, exactly. Then stop the date and go, okay, that's not the priority. The priority is actually I need to go fucking live my life so I can actually be the man that you deserve. Yeah. You know, because that's of the utmost importance.

And one thing I'll leave both sexes with, but mainly men, is woman, as long as they're not being rude to you or nice to you, if they carry, if they're doing a caron on you, carry them back, probably fine, right? Fair play. You want an equal opportunity. There it is. Okay.

But my dad. told me this since I was a weapon snappy. He said whether a girl is a princess or a prostitute. Treat it like a lady. Treat it like a lady. Okay. Have good manners. Be respectful. Be polite. Right. But stand on your virtue as a man. It's okay to be a man. Don't be afraid about it. Don't be ashamed of it. Be proud of it. Because believe it or not, the same things that are trying to destroy masculinity are the exact same things that actually wanted. So this is where you've got to stand up and be that. guy. Be the guy, be the hero, be the hero in your own fucking story. And it's not even about being it for them. It's about being it for yourself. It's for you and only for you. Yeah.

And as a byproduct, you then can actually meet women who are good woman, you know, who are a kind woman who are a genuine, you know, woman of serious value because they're out there, 110%. There's some brilliant female psychologist, you know, Brianna West. is one of the best authors out there. You know, fucking phenomenal author. You know, if you go read 101 essays, everyone should read by Brianna West. It's probably one of the best books I've ever read, you know, but one more thing for the ladies. And please take this and just hear me on them.

You will never know the full extent of what's going on in a man's head. Okay. If he's quiet, if he's this, you'll never know. Because men have unfortunately, and as what me and Carla, hopefully trying to stop, unfortunately, been told to just shut the fuck up and deal. And the moment you decide to tell your spouse, you're a big pussy. No, you're not. Talk to your boys.

Talk to your girlfriends. Talk to them. Let them know the struggles. Yeah? But don't overwhelm them either. you're a sort of man, right? But ladies, understand that there are a hundred thousand things going on in a guy's head

that you aren't even aware of because in the life is a male for any ladies who are interested. It is literally command and conquer. Men compete with other men all the time. It's a mental step on other men if they need to. That's why there's such a huge emphasis on brotherhood and community

with men because it's ruthless out there for men. And you're born a boy, but you have to become a man, you know. So never, ever, ever be afraid to stand on your virtue as a man. Don't ever think that not talking about shit is a small move. And ladies, just lead with a little bit of empathy to understand that if your man's a bit quiet, seems a bit reserved, don't light him up and say, babe, why aren't you asking about my day or this, that and the other thing? Right.

just understand that he may be dealing with some shit and he may not be as effective at communicating as you ladies are and just be there because you know with my girlfriend for example you know she says to me she says why don't you smile when you come to mine off the work is it sad like do you not like seeing me or so and i said no babe that's not it she said what is it i go i breathe a sigh of relief and she goes where she mean i go when i come through the door, just go, peace, feminine energy, you know, it's not about me jumping up and down saying, this is my day, but just being around that presence, that maternal nature, that kind nature, the nature of someone who cares about you is all I need. That's it. That's it.

And don't get in the way of my fucking work because I have a purpose and I have a mission and I want to change the fucking world, you know, so ladies and gents, I'll definitely take that with a pinch of So I'll put in your notepads because I promise you, if you embody those things and you do those things, we'll come together and coalesce just like we should, you know, which is what we want. Well, for anyone who has made it this far without us insult, love and leave it, thank you very much for listening.

Uncle Rye, where can people go to follow your work, to ask you questions, to keep up with what you're talking about? Yeah, just follow me on Instagram at Ryan Evely, all-I-N-E-V-E-L-E-I-G-H. All right, folks, that's been the uneducated PT with my favorite guest, and we'll see you on the next one.